Re: [Mpls] Hooters to Block E?

2005-11-03 Thread Dan McGrath
Mike Nelson makes excellent points about Block E. I, too recall fondly the
old Block E, before it became a parking lot and ultimately the new
monstrosity as it now stands. That block had character! Now it looks
prefabbed, and suburban vanilla.

As to Hooters going in, I think it's a perfect fit. It's bland food, and
suburban. I find it quite dull. Should be a hit in the new Minneapolis
order.

Some question whether Hooters could survive in DT Mpls. How silly. Hooters
is the only "bar" in the Mall of America that survived the Bloomington
smoking ban. That's a good track-record, prerequisite for surviving in
Minneapolis.


Dan McGrath
Longfellow
http://www.shegstad.us

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[Mpls] De La Salle and Non-Discrimination

2005-11-03 Thread Marie Hauser

You tell 'em!
Marie
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RE: [Mpls] Hooters to Block E?

2005-11-03 Thread Mike
Thank you Loki!
Block E was razed years ago because some people felt uncomfortable there.
Those people were not forced to be there. It was just another case of the
tyranny of the minority in my opinion. I'm a small person, physically
speaking, and I never had a problem on that block as it was before it was
razed. I miss Moby Dicks, The Best Steak House, Rifle Sport, Bradys,
Shinders, the Italian restaurant on the 7th St. side that I cannot remember
the name of now. 
When the block was destroyed, it was with the expectation that crime, and
"unsavory people" would disappear. What happened was that they just moved.
Jerseys on Lake St. and Sunnys on Chicago are two places that got much worse
as far as I know. I live on the South side. I can't tell you about other
parts of town, but it was obvious here. City Center also had their share of
problems.

Obviously, I'm not saying that there weren't problems on Block E, but the
way it was dealt with was silly in my opinion. 
They tore down a couple of bars, a game arcade, a bookstore, a hotel, some
restaurants, and what did they put up after years of focus groups and
experts giving their all?
A couple bars, a game arcade, a bookstore, a hotel and some restaurants.
Oh, but they're all beige just like the suburbs. That makes it OK.
Has anyone else noticed the crime map in the Downtown Journal?
It seems that there's a trend toward assaults outside the Hardrock Café.
Where's that? 
Block E, or as I call it, Block Eh.

Mike Nelson
Central neighborhood
Peoples Republic of Minneapolis




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Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 12:26 PM
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Subject: RE: [Mpls] Hooters to Block E?

The objection to this particular business being in Block E is pretty silly.
Yeah, it's tacky to have a bar whose main claim to fame is its waitresses in
short shorts and tight t's, but within two or three blocks of Block E you
have two heterto-male-oriented strip clubs (the Skyway Lounge and, Natalie
Johnson-Lee's favorite, Augie's) plus a couple gay clubs that regularly
feature male dancers dressed only in thongs. 
 
Note to the Council: Hennepin Avenue is already tacky with or without
Hooter's.
 
Loki Anderson
Downtown

richard carney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I did enjoy CM Goodman's quote that "Hooters is just so tacky".

This is "Block E" we're talking about...right?


Richard Carney
St. Paul (still waiting for the ESPN Zone to open)


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Re: Fw: [Mpls] De La Salle and Non-Discrimination

2005-11-03 Thread Steve Nelson

Dean E. Carlson
East Harriet, Ward 10
Proud Parishiner of Annunciation Church
Proud Parent of two Annunciation School children

What is really sad is the opponents of the football field are so
desparate in their opposition to DSL's plans that they are willing to
resort to name calling, ugly name calling at that.  Let's elevate the
discourse, there's plenty to discuss regarding DSL's football field
plans that don't involve dragging a whole religion through the mire.

What is even sadder is the proponents of the football field endorse the Park 
Board foregoing their own rules and stacking a CAC that did not allow ALL 
citizens who were there for 3/4 of the meetings to vote and who are so 
closed minded to anything but a football field that they will sacrifice the 
tennis courts and the possibility of a stadium within walking distance that 
would include the track team as well.


Oh, and while we're on the subject, the first name calling about "elitists" 
and "selfish residents" and distortions that Islanders pay no taxes came 
from the PROponents.


But why let a little truth ruin a good argument?

Steve Nelson
Willard Hay
Proud Charter Member of Park Watch 


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Re: [Mpls] Transportation Justice for the 25% of Mpls Householdswithout Cars

2005-11-03 Thread Matty Lang


--- "Timothy J. Salo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Michael Thompson asks:
> 
> > ... Did someone slip another justice in on us
> sometime, without
> > letting us know? ...
> 
> Apparently, some readers aren't taking
> "transportation justice"
> as seriously as others believe they ought.  If they
> don't, upon hearing
> the term, immediately believe in the rightness of
> the cause, the
> correctness of the analysis, and the necessity for
> immediate action,
> they risk being labeled "transportationist".  Of
> course, this may
> leave them wondering whether this is closer to being
> an 
> environmentalist or a classist.
> 
> (Actually, this may be another example of "plays
> well with the 
> base", but sounds peculiar [at best] to a broader
> audience.
> I guess it depends on who your intended audience is
> and what your
> objectives are.)
> 
> Tim Salo
> Mac-Groveland/Dinkytown


If Michael and Tim don't understand the economic and
social impacts of one's ability to be mobile I guess I
can't help them.  But, I will, give you an opposite
perspective on the transportation justice issue if it
makes you feel better.  Maybe those of us without cars
are the privileged?  

>From Energy and Equity by Ivan Illich

The typical American male devotes more than 1,600
hours a year to his car. He sits in it while it goes
and while it stands idling. He parks it and searches
for it. He earns the money to put down on it and to
meet the monthly installments. He works to pay for
petrol, tolls, insurance, taxes and tickets. He spends
four of his sixteen waking hours on the road or
gathering resources for it. And this figure does not
take account of the time consumed by other activities
dictated by transport: time spent in hospitals,
traffic courts and garages: time spent watching
automobile commercials or attending consumer education
meetings to improve quality of the next buy. The model
American puts in 1,600 hours to get 7,500 miles: less
than five miles an hour.

End quote

Matty Lang, 
Wishing I had a vacation home in Dinkytown
Central  




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Re: [Mpls] Sierra Club Endorsement of R.T. Rybak

2005-11-03 Thread Mark Snyder
On 11/3/05 6:11 PM, "Dyna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> and with a broad range of stakeholders to secure the conversion of
>> the Riverside coal plant to cleaner natural gas.
> 
> Meanwhile, new coal burning plants in the Dakotas are on the
> drawing board, and natural gas has become so expensive that Riverside
> plant will rarely burn it.

Since there appears to be some confusion over just what will be occurring at
the Riverside plant, here it is again:

The plant will be converting from coal-fired boilers to natural-gas fired
boilers. This work will start in 2007, if I am remembering correctly, and is
scheduled to be completed sometime in 2009.

Once the project is completed, Riverside will no longer be able to burn
coal.

Mark Snyder
Windom Park

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[Mpls] De La Salle and Non-Discrimination

2005-11-03 Thread Eva Young
Nikki Carlson writes:  


> > I was at the meeting last night. John Erwin
> brought
> > up 3 amendments to the CAC playing field design
> > motion: non-discrimination, more landscaping, and
> > alternative parking. Since the motion was about
> > design, most commissioners asked why he was
> bringing
> > up non-discrimination at that time. Bob Fine asked
> > how it differed from statutes already governing
> city
> > and park properties. John didn't have anything in
> > writing and didn't offer any explanation other
> than
> > he wouldn't support the project without it. So Bob
> > didn't accept the amendment as friendly so the
> board
> > could consider it separately. That's all that
> > happened. Everyone, including Bob Fine, was in
> favor
> > of it.
Bob Fine was in a temper during the meeting - and John
Erwin's motion visibly irritated Fine.  
  
> > There was never an opportunity for anyone from
> > DeLaSalle to comment one way or the other.
> >  

That was too bad.  I'd like to know DeLaSalle's
position on this.  

> > Then come this morning I read Britt Robson's
> article
> > written more than an hour before the park meeting
> > even started last night. It included exact
> language
> > from the Ft. Snelling skate park agreement that
> was
> > not brought up last night. And he asks "Will
> > Non-Discrimination Clause Trip Up DeLaSalle
> Stadium
> > Efforts?" Darn, it didn't. Too bad. Your plot was
> > foiled.

It's too bad this issue wasn't brought up last night?

> > How dare you call yourselves reformers when you
> play
> > these deceptive and manipulative games? Knock it
> > off. You're not fooling anybody. This is a school.
> > Trying to educate children. Examine your
> consciences
> > and stop these sleazy and underhanded methods of
> > promoting integrity.

As others have pointed out, the issue of
non-discrimination was brought up before on this list.
 St Joan's - a catholic congregation that reaches out
to gay parishioners - regularly gets diciplined by the
catholic hiararchy in St Paul.  The Vatican has been
in the news lately for their tougher policy on gay
priests - that is, getting rid of all gay priests -
not on the basis of behavior (violating celebacy
vows), but on the basis of being gay.   

It speaks volumes that the boiler plate language used
by the Park board on these reciprocal use agreements
somehow got removed from the draft agreements with
DeLaSalle - and it's good that John Erwin raised the
issue publicly.  

Eva



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[Mpls] There's now a race 4th Ward

2005-11-03 Thread Justin E.
I met Megan Pogatchnik at Farview Park during a special WCCO broadcast 
yesterday addressing crime in North and its effects throughout the City and 
region.  The radio show gave candidates a chance to share how they would 
address the issues.  Megan, who's worked as a housing inspector in 
Minneapolis,  had some good things to say and is probably worth a look if 
you're a fourth ward resident.   She's running her campaign as a last minute 
write-in.  No website, no campaign manager--just an ad in the Camden news 
and a flyer summing up who she is and where she stands.


Justin Eibenholzl
Armatage


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[Mpls] Endorsement arguments

2005-11-03 Thread Mark Hanson
I read the Mpls Issues list in digest form, and speaking only for myself, I'm 
skimming past the messages about the Sierra Club and endorsements in the 
Minneapolis mayor's race.

With all due respect to Sierra Club members and their good work, I wonder if 
the parsing out of the endorsement process needed to be aired in this forum.  
It has the whiff of dirty laundry.

I made up my mind on the mayor's race a long time ago, and the details of one 
passionate group's endorsement process and follow-up aren't going to influence 
my decision.

Mark Hanson
Prospect Park

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Re: [Mpls] Insight News Endorsements

2005-11-03 Thread WLDJ36
What is "bullet balloting"?
 
Bill Dooley
Kenny
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Re: [Mpls] Prairie Home Companion to Downtown Mpls.?

2005-11-03 Thread Jon Gorder


--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> How can they possibly hope to compete with Hooters?
> 
>   Because we Minnisotians only have lust for that
which is just above average. A knowing nod and fare
thee well to anyone who takes on airs, especially when
it's injected dontcha' know.

   Jon Gorder
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Re: [Mpls] Prairie Home Companion to Downtown Mpls.?

2005-11-03 Thread Jon Gorder


--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> How can they possibly hope to compete with Hooters?
> 
>   Because we Minnisotians only have lust for that
which is just above average. A knowing nod and fare
thee well to anyone who takes on airs, especially when
it's injected dontcha' know.

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   Cathedral Hill




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Re: [Mpls] Justice Du Jour

2005-11-03 Thread David A. Greene

Michael Thompson wrote:

Please assist with the definition of "social justice." Is "social 
justice" about equal opportunity, or equal outcome? It appears to me 
that the latter is the operant notion in "social justice" rather than 
the former. But since it's your term, maybe you can help.


Social justice is respeecting the dignity of every human being.  It
implies equal opportunity but also that basic needs are met.


What will happen to you and me when we have to give up our car keys
due to age or some other reason?


I'll call for a ride. I won't automatically assume the government will 
be responsible for transporting me all over creation just because I want 
to go somewhere.


Who's going to come pick you up during the weekday when your kids
are working?  People should be able to live independently in a
way that respects their dignity.

The "collective," as you put it (that is, us) has a responsibility
to the common good.  Government services funded through taxes
are how we express our priority and commitment to the dignity of
those in our community.


It's absolutely criminal that the recent service cuts stranded a lot
of disabled people in the inner suburbs.  I was at the Met Council
hearings on those cuts and people literally begged the council not
to cut them off from their jobs.


"Criminal" is a strong word, but then again so is "justice" in the 
context of transportation. The city has a transportation system. I 
believe it is adequate, though it is obvious many don't. 


Talk to the many users of transit about how the cuts affected them.

We also have [LRT] to transport the less-well-heeled workers and 
citizens of downtown Minneapolis from their mundane workaday lives 
(this is how it was sold to us) 


It was?  I never read anything about "mundane."  It's clear you're
just being belligerent.

Nevertheless, when I parse out your apparent logic, all I can come up 
with is that, somehow, the government holds the ultimate responsibility 
to get people from point A to point B, and government's failure to do so 
is criminal. 


"The government" is us.  And yes, we _do_ have a responsibility to
each other.  How should that responsibility be expressed?  What's
your plan?

As with most catch-phrases associated with "justice" these 
days, it appears to me that transportation is yet another "right" that 
people have and, if the populace so lacks it, justice will not prevail.


Do we have a right to opportunity or not?  Do we have the right to
worship in our community of choice or not?  These are fundamental
American values and when we deny the means to exercise them, we
are sowing injustice.

Services cuts to busses will ultimately continue to happen within a 
city, county and state that refuses to curb spending and demands that 
everything is a "need" and there are no "want"s. I will contend, or 
maybe even agree, that public transportation is a "need" more than a 
"want"... but then a "want" will have to be sacrificed in order to 
make it happen (and holy hell will break loose when that individual's ox 
is gored). Anyway, when we all finally realize this simple equation, 
"justice" may actually prevail.


You have made two flawed assumptions: the first that we must operate
under a system of scarcity.  We are a state and country of abundance.
Sharing that abundance is the first step toward justice.

Your second flawed assumption is that the wants of the individual must
necessarily trump the needs of the community.  That is an extreme
distortion of our traditional American way of life, twisted into a
system where hyper-individualism, isolation and fear dominate our
very thinking.

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[Mpls] Parks -your best investment

2005-11-03 Thread Svattheriver
In less than a week,  I might have to say we instead of they. So in what 
might be a last shot as an  outsider, let me try to pin down another source of 
potential controversy.
The  Park Board is launching a $20,000 ad campaign-promoting the Park Board 
and has  produced a 20 minute DVD for distribution and airing on public access  
television.

Mpls. Parks- your best investment

I have seen it  twice. I really don't like it. I do think we should promote 
our Park  system, but this piece comes off as political propaganda for 
commercialization  of our parks and the building of the Nieman sports complex. 
The 
emphasis is on  entertainment as the end goal in a way that to me makes our 
park 
system seem  similar to the Mall of America.

It is not that promotion of these things  should not occur, but it is 
shocking to me that the real value of our Parks and  an expression of the true 
vision 
and mission is nowhere to be found in this  poorly thought out and expensive 
commercial.

The reason this Park system  is great is that it is a system related to 
linking the preservation of natural  features and establishing free activities 
in 
local parks within six blocks of  every home. The history and geography really 
do matter, passive recreation and  the preservation of greenspace are steam 
rolled over by the promotion of the  commercialization of our Parks in this ad. 
The contributions of Horace Cleveland  and Theodore Wirth are nowhere to be 
found, which is more than a historical  oversight, it is an indication that the 
legacy of what we have now is not  understood.

The Parks are many things to many people but the DVD vision  is not mine. For 
me the images would be: the May Day celebration, the  Mississippi River Gorge 
and the Winchell trail, 4 pitch base ball with half  of the kids looking at 
ants, swimming in Lake Nokomis (from the kid beach  where you don't have to pay 
for parking), touring the Wirth House and walking in  the Eloise Butler 
wildlife preserve or launching my boat from the North  Mississippi Park boat 
launch 
or Halloween Parades.


The thing that  bothers me is the message. The message should be consistent 
with the core values  and mission of the Park Board.  We have a great Park 
system and I  hope the DVD can be modified to include a truer and more complete 
 
vision.
 
Thanks,
Scott VreelandSeward
Park Board candidate and movie critic
Todd Melby should do the voice over and the kids at Powderhorn should do  the 
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Re: [Mpls] Sierra Club endorsement of RT

2005-11-03 Thread Karen Harder
Sierra Club has a well-established process for doing endorsements.
Regardless of the process, the number of people on the committee, or other
sincere efforts to do so, the Political Committee could never speak for each
and every Club member.  There are about 5,000 or so SC members in
Minneapolis, very few of whom are likely to have always agreed with all of
the Club's endorsements and positions on issues. I doubt very much that
there are only four Club members out there who disagree with the Club's
Mayoral endorsement.  That would simply be unrealistic.

I don't think this discussion was originally intended to be about Sierra
Club.  I think it was about the candidates running for office and their
positions on issues.  The election is Tuesday, folks.

Karen Harder
Lynnhurst 



> From: ken bradley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> Your allegations seem over the top, would you please publicly state who these
> four Sierra Club members are that are so unhappy with the endorsment? I
> participated on the two committees and do not recall this oposition but rather
> committee members being very excited about endorsing R.T. Rybak again.
> 

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Re: [Mpls] Sierra Club endorsed RT: Laura Huseby real story!!!

2005-11-03 Thread Karen Harder
Ken,  Laura has been on Sierra Club's Water Committee for 2 1/2 years and
has been very active on a number of issues by doing research and developing
issue statements for Committee consideration. She has a technical background
that has been extremely helpful on many different issues.  I'm sure she's
been a member a lot longer than that.  You should apologize publicly for
your extremely rude and misplaced remarks.

Karen Harder
Lynnhurst


> From: ken bradley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:15:54 -0800 (PST)
> To: rick broberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, megan goodmundson
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, mpls 
> Subject: [Mpls] Sierra Club endorsed RT: Laura Huseby real story!!!
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> Laura Huseby wrote:Sierra Club volunteer, member and McLaughlin supporter
> 
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> Ken Bradley writes:
> 
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> CLAIM: Laura Huseby McLaughlin supporter, Sierra Club volunteer, member.
> 
> REALITY: Laura Huseby became a Sierra Club member in February of 2005. She
> made her decision to join the organization after the Sierra Club had already
> began its endorsing procress for mayor. She never attended any Minneapolis
> Political Committee meetings that are open to members. It seems like she may
> have joined to just be able to criticize endorsements as a member. We call
> this SPIN.
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> 
> Ken Bradley
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Re: [Mpls] Insight News Endorsements

2005-11-03 Thread Dorie Rae Gallagher

I questioned this post also and sent Rod a note. The candidates should
be candidates and their names should be spelt correctly. This is
even more reason to question endorsementsand Rod should have
proofed and questioned before posting.

Revealing what one of my female friends went through a few years
ago at the Strib...she was black & GOP, (in case they need a jog in memory)
soured me towards endorsements. If a paper wishes to write about each
candidate...great, equal time...educate with truths but don't influence.

To come out and proclaim bullet balloting! Lots of interesting things
going on this year. Law suits, joining clubs to be dissidents, campaign
material with disclaimers more indepth than the candidates themselves,
and everyone has become an environmentalist in the last two weeks!

Dorie Gallagher/Nokomis

With no inkling of criteria used to "endorse" and Insight's obvious 
obliviousness to the candidates, or at least their clear disrespect for 
them in spelling some of their names wrong, (Louis Birnstein??, Tracy 
Norstrom??), how can we take these "endorsements" seriously?  Or maybe the 
obvious answer is, we shouldn't...?


One other question: Given the number of folks on the list who were unhappy 
with the Strib's Park Board calls, I wonder if it is appropriate to ask 
the Strib editorial board what their process was, what the interview 
questions were (assuming there were interviews), and what their criteria 
for endorsement are - for ALL offices?  That would help me understand some 
of the story...

scott marshall









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Re: [Mpls] Insight News Endorsements

2005-11-03 Thread Scott Marshall
With no inkling of criteria used to "endorse" and Insight's obvious 
obliviousness to the candidates, or at least their clear disrespect for 
them in spelling some of their names wrong, (Louis Birnstein??, Tracy 
Norstrom??), how can we take these "endorsements" seriously?  Or maybe 
the obvious answer is, we shouldn't...?


One other question: Given the number of folks on the list who were 
unhappy with the Strib's Park Board calls, I wonder if it is 
appropriate to ask the Strib editorial board what their process was, 
what the interview questions were (assuming there were interviews), and 
what their criteria for endorsement are - for ALL offices?  That would 
help me understand some of the story...


scott marshall
kingfield


On Nov 3, 2005, at 4:01 PM, Krueger, Rodney wrote:



Insight News Endorsements:
Thursday, November 03, 2005

http://www.insightnews.com/articles.asp?mode=display&articleID=2066

Twin Cities voters are at a crossroads. While differences in 
candidates for important local offices may not seem great, we believe 
they are appreciable and bear scrutiny and analysis by voters. Having 
conducted public policy forum broadcast interviews with those seeking 
office in the upcoming election, Insight News endorses the following 
candidates based on our observation of the candidates' relationship to 
and history with the Twin Cities Black community. These endorsements 
reflect our belief that the candidates have a genuine commitment to 
empowering our community through a vision and policy of inclusion that 
will be evidenced in support for programs that mean growth and 
development of Twin Cities Black communities.


Mayor:

For Mayor of Minneapolis, Insight endorses Peter McLaughlin. 
McLaughlin is a career politician and a career public servant whose 
service brings honor to the art of politics and governance. McLaughlin 
ably serves our region as a Hennepin County Commissioner. As Mayor of 
Minneapolis, he will provide hands-on, hard-ball management and policy 
experience that will advantage the city. McLaughlin was successful at 
the county level in creating a hedge against state and federal budget 
cuts because of strong and respected ties to state and federal policy 
makers, and because on his watch, the county has been effective in 
managing taxpayers' money.



City Council:

Insight endorses Don Samuels for Minneapolis 5th Ward City Council. 
Samuels continues to articulate a vision for maintaining and growing 
our community by encouraging Black business investment and development 
on the Northside. Samuels promotes the idea that if Asians have been 
supported in their desire to create a business and cultural 
destination, University Avenue in St. Paul, and if Latino communities, 
have been supported in their desire to establish their cultural 
identity as a Lake Street business asset, so too should Black people 
expect and gain support for establishing West Broadway as a vibrant 
economic gem that incubates, grows, and celebrates businesses that 
reflect the strengths of Black culture and identity.


While others may criticize him for being absent from City Hall to 
conduct vigils in North Minneapolis to note and mourn the victims of 
murder, we say it's about time for someone in City Hall to take Black 
life seriously. If every senseless killing were given the attention 
and scrutiny Samuels is calling for, even to the point of some other 
city business not going forward, because the city feels a duty to fix 
the conditions that make murder an option for the hopeless, that 
perhaps would be a sign that our city is on the road toward equity and 
parity for our community in governance and public life.


Insight endorses Diane Hofstede for Minneapolis 3rd Ward City Council. 
Hofstede has been a visionary pioneer in public education and 
particularly in stewardship in the Minneapolis Public Library system, 
where she has served with distinction as an elected director.


Insight endorses Ralph Remington for 10th Ward City Council. Remington 
has done his homework. He is knowledgeable, articulate, capable and an 
effective bridge builder. Remington's is a bellwether candidacy, 
through which some learning may be gained regarding white voters' 
capacity to see beyond race and prejudice which appears here as 
"Minnesota Nice", this millennium's reincarnation of the Nixon-Agnew 
theology of benign neglect. Remington is the best candidate for the 
mostly white 10th Ward and 10th Ward voters should affirm him and 
themselves in selecting him.


Insight endorses Elizabeth Glidden for 8th Ward City Council. Glidden 
is a civil rights and workers' rights lawyer who has cultivated 
progressive coalitions that stand to serve the predominantly Black 8th 
ward well. Her opponent, Marie Houser, crossed the ethics line, 
damaging her own credibility, by unauthorized representation in 
campaign literature of Mary Merrill Anderson as a supporter, even 
after it was demanded of her that the literature n

Re: [Mpls] Sierra Club Endorsement of R.T. Rybak

2005-11-03 Thread Dyna
Sierra Club enthusiastically endorses R.T. Rybak for Mayor because 
he will be the strongest advocate for clean air and water, greener 
government, vibrant neighborhoods and world-class parks.


	There are hundreds of stronger advocates for these laudable 
goals in Minneapolis. Most of them are ordinary citizens who would 
rather quietly work toward those goals than grandstanding by running 
for mayor.


It is clear that for Mayor Rybak the environment is not a side- nor 
a stand-alone issue; he incorporates green initiatives into city 
planning across all departments.


	Then how come the City Council had to take the initiative to 
put renewable fuels into the tanks of our city vehicles?


 Mayor Rybak negotiates hard while at the same time building 
coalitions, as he has done with suburban representatives along 35W 
to secure a bus rapid transitway instead of a cars-only freeway 
expansion,


	When he should have held his ground and fought for more more 
efficient light rail in that corridor.



with legislators to develop a statewide aviation strategy,


	Then how come they're still expanding the airport on our 
southern border- this was R.T.'s major issue and he's dropped the 
ball (again).


and with a broad range of stakeholders to secure the conversion of 
the Riverside coal plant to cleaner natural gas.


	Meanwhile, new coal burning plants in the Dakotas are on the 
drawing board, and natural gas has become so expensive that Riverside 
plant will rarely burn it.


Mayor Rybak has also taken simple steps to green up City Hall, like 
immediately replacing the Mayor's Lincoln Town Car with a hybrid car


	And having an MPD officer in the Town Car's down market twin, 
A Crown Vic police cruiser. follow the mayoral Prius to provide 
security is not more efficient or better for the environment. At 
least R.T.'s predecessor "carpooled" with the officer in the cruiser 
instead of wasting the taxpayers money looking fashionable in the 
Prius while an officer in a Crown Vic follows. Mayor Fraser, who is 
endorsing Peter McLaughlin, was quite happy to ride his own bicycle 
to work instead of a taxpayer provided car and police escort.



, setting computer monitors to sleep mode to conserve energy,


	A mayor who couldn't remember to shut off his city supplied 
car and at least put it in park did that? BTW, most computers and 
monitors sold over the last decade go to sleep automatically when 
idle without R.T.'s assistance; R.T. has only been mayor for a bit 
over 3 years.


using energy efficient lighting, and increasing to 95% the amount of 
paper being used that has at least 30% recycled content.


	These were trends that were already occurring without any 
(in)action by R.T. whatsoever.


The Mayor also raised money to plant 5,000 trees throughout 
Minneapolis, even though that is technically the Park Board's 
responsibility,


	Due to R.T.'s decision to reduce police staffing, many of 
those trees have already been run over by the drunken and drugged 
drivers who have free run of our streets.


and he is putting much needed funding into expanding our bikeways 
throughout the city.


	Much of that funding is federal and state money that R.T. has 
no right to claim credit for.


Rooted in activism, Mayor Rybak understands the importance of 
engaging community groups in issues facing our city.


	R.T.'s activist roots pretty much consisted of protesting 
airport noise in his affluent neighborhood. After nearly a full term 
as mayor, those of us who are stuck in the working class 
neighborhoods are increasingly kept awake by gunfire at night. And 
while airport noise has yet to produce a fatality, on R.T.'s watch 
storekeepers, seniors, and children have been killed and maimed by 
that increasing gunfire.


 Further, the Mayor does not accept campaign contributions from 
people who do business with the city.


You sure about that?

We endorsed Mayor Rybak in 2001.  During his first term, despite 
tight fiscal constraints, the Mayor has moved green initiatives 
forward and taken positive steps to green up City Hall.


	Yes, on R.T.'s watch we have seen a difference- My gas bill 
this month was over $50 and I haven't even turned on the heat yet. 
And while R.T.'s office is warm and comfy, I and my neighbors live in 
sweaters- the thermometer next to me here in my home reads 56 
degrees. Seeking relief from the gas company's city protected 
monopoly, I applied for a permit for a corn fueled heater. Instead of 
a permit I received back a demand for a copy of my driver's license- 
this is R.T.'s new user friendly "One Stop" Permitting process?



Mayor Rybak sticks to his principles,


He's still fighting airport noise...


he builds exciting coalitions,


With workers left on the sidelines.


and he puts the environment first.


	Consistently fighting airport noise over Minneapolis 
wealthiest neighborhoods!


 For these reasons and more the Sierra Club endorsed him for a 
second term and

Re: [Mpls] Justice Du Jour

2005-11-03 Thread Michael Thompson

David Greene said (and MT responds):


Transportation is absolutely a justice issue.  I wouldn't label it
"transportation justice."  It's social justice.  No reason to fragment
our efforts.


Please assist with the definition of "social justice." Is "social justice" 
about equal opportunity, or equal outcome? It appears to me that the latter 
is the operant notion in "social justice" rather than the former. But since 
it's your term, maybe you can help.



If people cannot get to where they need to go for a job, health care,
food, clothing, etc. then they are suffering oppression.


Does that mean if/when my car breaks down, I'm being oppressed?


What will happen to you and me when we have to give up our car keys
due to age or some other reason?


I'll call for a ride. I won't automatically assume the government will be 
responsible for transporting me all over creation just because I want to go 
somewhere.



It's absolutely criminal that the recent service cuts stranded a lot
of disabled people in the inner suburbs.  I was at the Met Council
hearings on those cuts and people literally begged the council not
to cut them off from their jobs.


"Criminal" is a strong word, but then again so is "justice" in the context 
of transportation. The city has a transportation system. I believe it is 
adequate, though it is obvious many don't. We also have a trolley to 
transport the less-well-heeled workers and citizens of downtown Minneapolis 
from their mundane workaday lives (this is how it was sold to us) to the 
Mall of America and the airport where they can spend their less-than-livable 
wages. We have a taxi system that just saw raises in rates. We have hOurCar 
where people can drive a new Prius about town (a Neon wouldn't do, for about 
half the price).


Nevertheless, when I parse out your apparent logic, all I can come up with 
is that, somehow, the government holds the ultimate responsibility to get 
people from point A to point B, and government's failure to do so is 
criminal. As with most catch-phrases associated with "justice" these days, 
it appears to me that transportation is yet another "right" that people have 
and, if the populace so lacks it, justice will not prevail. Services cuts to 
busses will ultimately continue to happen within a city, county and state 
that refuses to curb spending and demands that everything is a "need" and 
there are no "want"s. I will contend, or maybe even agree, that public 
transportation is a "need" more than a "want"... but then a "want" will 
have to be sacrificed in order to make it happen (and holy hell will break 
loose when that individual's ox is gored). Anyway, when we all finally 
realize this simple equation, "justice" may actually prevail.


Mike Thompson
Windom 



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Re: [Mpls] Insight News Endorsements

2005-11-03 Thread David Hauser

shows a callous disregard for Merrill-Anderson, for Black people, and for 
voters in general.



My mother has lived in the 8th ward for a long time. She raised three children 
there. Most of our friends were minorities: Black, Hispanic and Native American.


My mother worked in children's and adolescent mental health as a nurse for many 
years. A disproportionate number of families with which she worked were minorities.


My mother hired a young Black woman, LaTanya, from across the alley to be our 
sitter when my parents could afford to take a night away from us children.


My mother maintained many friendships with her Black neighbors, many of whom had 
children and grandchildren that were our friends.


Get the idea?

I can deal with misplaced smear attacks, people questioning my mother's efficacy 
on the MPRB and other political maneuvering.


I ABSOLUTELY REFUSE to let anyone, especially a locally owned and operated Black 
publication, allege or even hint that my mother may be racist. My mother has 
done only good for the minority population in this city during her professional 
career as a nurse and personally as a community participant and advocate. Draw 
your own conclusions about the lit drop, but keep your "oh my gosh white racist 
woman" rhetoric to yourself, for it is completely false.


Just as minorities wish to not be a book with a judged cover, so too does 
everyone else. Have a little empathy and next time do a bit more investigation 
before you pass judgment.


David Hauser
Logan, where he still gets to enjoy diversity every day.

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[Mpls] Election Night Party for 6th Ward Council Candidate Robert Lilligren

2005-11-03 Thread Barbara Lickness
Join us for the election night "Party on Eat Street".
 
The Robert Lilligren Ward 6
Election Night Party at Azia
In  the Caterpillar Lounge
26th and Nicollet
 
7:30 p.m. to 11 p.m.
 
Soft Drinks and Appetizers Provided
Cash Bar/Full Menu Available 
 
Contact Sarah Burt
Vote Robert Campaign Director
612-964-4208
 
Come and celebrate democracy
 
Barb Lickness
Whittier
Ward 6
Robert Lilligren Campaign Volunteer



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[Mpls] Do Not Camp Out in North Minneapolis

2005-11-03 Thread Roberta Englund
I can think of no better reason NOT to vote for Aaron Neumann than this post
of his intent to "camp out" in at risk neighborhoods as part of his campaign
strategy. The blocks in the Northside neighborhoods, irregardless of what
Ward location are already costing the tax payers of the City additional
public safety dollars without adding the cost to protect a politician who is
chasing fame with irresponsible stunts. It is an insult to residents of
these neighborhoods to be selected for Neumann's special attention and
transient occupancy!  Neumann's self aggrandizement is the worst kind of
exploitation of the issues occurring in at risk neighborhoods. And, it is an
insult to the many people who live and work in these neighborhoods to change
exaggerated perceptions of lawlessness, empower residents and achieve
stability.

 

Also, this intended behavior is a clear indication that Neumann does not
understand the reality of Northside issues and has no regard, or respect,
for the people engaged in the intense struggle of survival  either criminal,
or victim.

 

Stay home Aaron Neumann - you will cause more trouble than this election is
worth. 

 

Roberta Englund

Folwell Neighborhood

4th Ward CARE Task Force

 

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[Mpls] (no subject)

2005-11-03 Thread Guy Gambill
Sure, 

  Two of those people have already posted on
this list (look in the last 3 Digest versions).
I suggest you speak with them yourself...should
be a simple matter to find them on the list.

Guy




Hello Guy,
 
Your allegations seem over the top, would you please
publicly state who 
these four Sierra Club members are that are so unhappy
with the 
endorsment? I participated on the two committees and
do not recall this 
oposition but rather committee members being very
excited about endorsing 
R.T. Rybak again.  
 
Sierra Club enthusiastically endorses R.T. Rybak for
Mayor because he 
will be the strongest advocate for clean air and
water, greener 
government, 
vibrant neighborhoods and world-class parks.

Sierra Club endorsements follow a two-committee
process.  The 
Minneapolis Political Committee is comprised of member
volunteers who were 
invited to participate last January through our
newsletter and online 
activist network and by other volunteers.  This
committee prioritizes races, 
screens candidates and makes recommendations to our
Chapter Executive 
Committee, the elected governing body for the
Minnesota Sierra Club 
which has final authority over our endorsement
decisions.  Each committee 
requires a two-thirds vote for an endorsement to
proceed.

The Sierra Club is a non-partisan organization and our
endorsment 
committee was open to all 20,000 members in Minnesota,
including 4,400 in 
Minneapolis.
 
I don't doubt that a few Sierra Club members might not
agree with some 
of our endorsments, but you can find somone in every
organization that 
has members that do not agree with the endorsments. I
know city union 
members that do not agree with some of the endorsments
made but that 
does not make the unions endorsment corrupt. 
 
The Sierra Club has one of the most open and
transparent democratic 
endorsing processes. A member of the Sierra Club might
not agree with one 
of our endorsments but that should not minimize the
work of committed 
volunteers that spent many hours, and nights
preparing, screening and 
debating endorsments. Criticizing the endorsments is
very disrespectful 
to those committed volunteers.
 
Ken Bradley
Former Sierra Club State Chair




Guy Gambill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello Minneapolis,

In response to this post:

"Hello Minneapolis! Mayor RY Rybak was endorsed by
the Sierra Club. Enough said."

Except for one teeny problem: There were 4 very
unhappy campers from the Sierra Club at Commissioner
Mclaughlin's Forum. Like so many others, they claim
that they were misled in their endorsement of RT...
Where do you think I got the information for my
postings? 
Oh, by the way, isn't RT's second vehicle a 
mini-van? Let's not forget to mention that...One other
point of interest...Mclaughlin attended the many,
many LRT community meetings...How many did RT attend?
Oh, that's right, he showed up for the ribbon-cutting.
Typical.

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[Mpls] Insight News Endorsements

2005-11-03 Thread Krueger, Rodney

Insight News Endorsements: 
Thursday, November 03, 2005

http://www.insightnews.com/articles.asp?mode=display&articleID=2066

Twin Cities voters are at a crossroads. While differences in candidates for 
important local offices may not seem great, we believe they are appreciable and 
bear scrutiny and analysis by voters. Having conducted public policy forum 
broadcast interviews with those seeking office in the upcoming election, 
Insight News endorses the following candidates based on our observation of the 
candidates' relationship to and history with the Twin Cities Black community. 
These endorsements reflect our belief that the candidates have a genuine 
commitment to empowering our community through a vision and policy of inclusion 
that will be evidenced in support for programs that mean growth and development 
of Twin Cities Black communities.

Mayor:

For Mayor of Minneapolis, Insight endorses Peter McLaughlin. McLaughlin is a 
career politician and a career public servant whose service brings honor to the 
art of politics and governance. McLaughlin ably serves our region as a Hennepin 
County Commissioner. As Mayor of Minneapolis, he will provide hands-on, 
hard-ball management and policy experience that will advantage the city. 
McLaughlin was successful at the county level in creating a hedge against state 
and federal budget cuts because of strong and respected ties to state and 
federal policy makers, and because on his watch, the county has been effective 
in managing taxpayers' money.


City Council:

Insight endorses Don Samuels for Minneapolis 5th Ward City Council. Samuels 
continues to articulate a vision for maintaining and growing our community by 
encouraging Black business investment and development on the Northside. Samuels 
promotes the idea that if Asians have been supported in their desire to create 
a business and cultural destination, University Avenue in St. Paul, and if 
Latino communities, have been supported in their desire to establish their 
cultural identity as a Lake Street business asset, so too should Black people 
expect and gain support for establishing West Broadway as a vibrant economic 
gem that incubates, grows, and celebrates businesses that reflect the strengths 
of Black culture and identity.

While others may criticize him for being absent from City Hall to conduct 
vigils in North Minneapolis to note and mourn the victims of murder, we say 
it's about time for someone in City Hall to take Black life seriously. If every 
senseless killing were given the attention and scrutiny Samuels is calling for, 
even to the point of some other city business not going forward, because the 
city feels a duty to fix the conditions that make murder an option for the 
hopeless, that perhaps would be a sign that our city is on the road toward 
equity and parity for our community in governance and public life.

Insight endorses Diane Hofstede for Minneapolis 3rd Ward City Council. Hofstede 
has been a visionary pioneer in public education and particularly in 
stewardship in the Minneapolis Public Library system, where she has served with 
distinction as an elected director.

Insight endorses Ralph Remington for 10th Ward City Council. Remington has done 
his homework. He is knowledgeable, articulate, capable and an effective bridge 
builder. Remington's is a bellwether candidacy, through which some learning may 
be gained regarding white voters' capacity to see beyond race and prejudice 
which appears here as "Minnesota Nice", this millennium's reincarnation of the 
Nixon-Agnew theology of benign neglect. Remington is the best candidate for the 
mostly white 10th Ward and 10th Ward voters should affirm him and themselves in 
selecting him.

Insight endorses Elizabeth Glidden for 8th Ward City Council. Glidden is a 
civil rights and workers' rights lawyer who has cultivated progressive 
coalitions that stand to serve the predominantly Black 8th ward well. Her 
opponent, Marie Houser, crossed the ethics line, damaging her own credibility, 
by unauthorized representation in campaign literature of Mary Merrill Anderson 
as a supporter, even after it was demanded of her that the literature not be 
distributed further. Her continued use of the questionable and possibly illegal 
literature shows a callous disregard for Merrill-Anderson, for Black people, 
and for voters in general. A commitment to expediency, especially when it might 
be deceptive, rather than principle, has no place in City Hall.


Library Board:

Insight endorses Sheldon Mains, Laura Watterman Wittstock, Alan Hooker and Rod 
Krueger for Minneapolis Library Board. Each has demonstrated clear, expansive 
visions of how libraries are foundational underpinnings of successful community 
life. They understand that broadened access means access to the business of 
building and maintaining the library system, as well as to the rich content 
held therein.


Park Board:

Insight endorses Rochelle Berry Graves for an at-larg

[Mpls] Downtown Library hits $15 million fundraising goal

2005-11-03 Thread List manager

http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/5706355.html

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[Mpls] CORRECTION: Neumann to camp at Bryant Ave. N and LOWRY AVE. N

2005-11-03 Thread Aaron Neumann

CORRECTION:  Neumann to camp at Northwest corner of Bryant Ave. N and
*LOWRY* AVE. N - rally still at 5pm, this Friday. ;)

PRESS RELEASE
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact: Aaron Neumann
(612) 788-1284 (mobile)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.VoteNeumann.org

Minneapolis Ward 3 City Council Candidate Aaron Neumann (Green Party) to
camp out on the city’s struggling Northside

Neumann will hold rally in one of the many vacant lots in “the hood” and
camp there until Election Day to spread message of peace, justice and
equality.

Thursday, November 3, 2005 – Green Party City Council candidate Aaron
Neumann will hold a rally on Friday, November 4th, 2005 on the Northwest
corner of Bryant Ave N. and *LOWRY* AVE N. at 5pm to kick off his
campaign’s “Get out the vote!” drive and camp throughout the entire
Ward until Election Day, straddling some of Minneapolis’ most challenging
neighborhoods.

“We must educate, advocate, and organize in our urban neighborhoods about
the city elections” says Neumann, “and our message of making it a
priority to help poor people must be heard.  We’re camping out in ‘the
hood’ first, next to boarded and vacant ‘problem’ properties, to
spread the message of what this campaign is about – fair and low-cost
housing policies,  police accountability, sensible drug policy, a healthy
environment, and greater opportunity for young people – essentially,
it’s about authentic progressive priorities that are so sorely needed in
Minneapolis.”

Neumann has been heavily campaigning in the traditionally underserved
low-voter turnout Northside neighborhoods of Hawthorne and McKinley because,
as he puts it, “the Northside exemplifies all the great challenges that we
face in this city in the 21st century – crime, gangs, poverty, domestic
violence, police brutality, substance abuse - to name a few.  We must focus
our energy and policies not only here, like some politicians exclusively
have, but beginning here and throughout the new Ward 3 as to create the most
livable, just and peaceful Minneapolis possible for all residents.”

James Everett, former President of the Mpls NAACP, PEACE Foundations Board
member, Hip-Hop advocate as founder of the Sub Zero Collective, and
Neumann’s campaign manager, agrees. “Being that we don’t have a ton of
money like our opponent has, we’re camping out to show our love for ‘the
hood,’” Everett continues, “I believe in Aaron, and his commitment to
making real difference in our neighborhoods for future generations.   I
believe that his campaign is truly bridging the community with social,
economic, and environmental justice.  Religious people take calculated
risks; spiritual people take leaps of faith.  Aaron takes that leap every
day, block to block.”

Aaron Neumann is a neighborhood advocate, writer, massage therapist, artist,
and friend of the Mississippi River.  He has a ten-year history of public
service and environmental/social justice organizing experience.  Aaron
currently works for Pulse of the Twin Cities alternative weekly newspaper
and resides in Northeast Minneapolis with his fiancée Noelle DeHarpporte.
This is his first run for political office, and, at age 29, he is the
youngest candidate for Minneapolis City Council.
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Aaron Neumann
Candidate for Minneapolis City Council Ward 3 (Green)
Northside * Northeast * Southeast
612.788.1284
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.VoteNeumann.org

Neighbors for Neumann!
1828 Marshall St. NE #18
Minneapolis, MN 55418-4211

* Effective Government * Healthy Environment * Safe Neighborhoods * Arts
Advocacy *

"Bridging our Diverse Communities * Common Sense Vision for the 21st
Century"

"Politics isn't about big money or power games; it's about the improvement
of people's lives." - Paul Wellstone
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[Mpls] RE: Nuemann to camp out in the 'hood

2005-11-03 Thread megan goodmundson
That email was from me as a Jordan neighbor - not from Don's campaign - 
automatic signature was an error! 
 
Still wishing Aaron good luck in the 'hood!
 
-Megan
Jordan 


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[Mpls] RE: Nuemann to camp out in the 'hood

2005-11-03 Thread megan goodmundson
I hope Aaron knows where he's camping out - cause there is no Northwest corner 
at Lyndale and Bryant Ave N - 
 
These streets run paralell and don't cross each other - so there's no 
intersection of Bryant/Lyndale.  
 
Good Luck Aaron!
 
-Megan Goodmundson
Jordan 


Thank You! 

Megan Goodmundson 
Don Samuels for City Council 
Co-chair & Volunteer Coordinator 
612-481-8457


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[Mpls] Sierra Club endorsed RT: Laura Huseby real story!!!

2005-11-03 Thread ken bradley


Laura Huseby wrote:Sierra Club volunteer, member and McLaughlin supporter


Ken Bradley writes:


CLAIM: Laura Huseby McLaughlin supporter, Sierra Club volunteer, member.

REALITY: Laura Huseby became a Sierra Club member in February of 2005. She made 
her decision to join the organization after the Sierra Club had already began 
its endorsing procress for mayor. She never attended any Minneapolis Political 
Committee meetings that are open to members. It seems like she may have joined 
to just be able to criticize endorsements as a member. We call this SPIN.

 

Ken Bradley

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Re: [Mpls] Sierra Club endorsement of RT

2005-11-03 Thread ken bradley
Hello Guy,
 
Your allegations seem over the top, would you please publicly state who these 
four Sierra Club members are that are so unhappy with the endorsment? I 
participated on the two committees and do not recall this oposition but rather 
committee members being very excited about endorsing R.T. Rybak again.  
 
Sierra Club enthusiastically endorses R.T. Rybak for Mayor because he 
will be the strongest advocate for clean air and water, greener government, 
vibrant neighborhoods and world-class parks.

Sierra Club endorsements follow a two-committee process.  The Minneapolis 
Political Committee is comprised of member volunteers who were invited to 
participate last January through our newsletter and online activist network and 
by other volunteers.  This committee prioritizes races, screens candidates and 
makes recommendations to our Chapter Executive Committee, the elected governing 
body for the Minnesota Sierra Club which has final authority over our 
endorsement decisions.  Each committee requires a two-thirds vote for an 
endorsement to proceed.

The Sierra Club is a non-partisan organization and our endorsment committee was 
open to all 20,000 members in Minnesota, including 4,400 in Minneapolis.
 
I don't doubt that a few Sierra Club members might not agree with some of our 
endorsments, but you can find somone in every organization that has members 
that do not agree with the endorsments. I know city union members that do not 
agree with some of the endorsments made but that does not make the unions 
endorsment corrupt. 
 
The Sierra Club has one of the most open and transparent democratic endorsing 
processes. A member of the Sierra Club might not agree with one of our 
endorsments but that should not minimize the work of committed volunteers that 
spent many hours, and nights preparing, screening and debating endorsments. 
Criticizing the endorsments is very disrespectful to those committed volunteers.
 
Ken Bradley
Former Sierra Club State Chair




Guy Gambill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello Minneapolis,

In response to this post:

"Hello Minneapolis! Mayor RY Rybak was endorsed by
the Sierra Club. Enough said."

Except for one teeny problem: There were 4 very
unhappy campers from the Sierra Club at Commissioner
Mclaughlin's Forum. Like so many others, they claim
that they were misled in their endorsement of RT...
Where do you think I got the information for my
postings? 
Oh, by the way, isn't RT's second vehicle a 
mini-van? Let's not forget to mention that...One other
point of interest...Mclaughlin attended the many,
many LRT community meetings...How many did RT attend?
Oh, that's right, he showed up for the ribbon-cutting.
Typical.

Guy Gambill
(Uptown)



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Re: Fw: [Mpls] De La Salle and Non-Discrimination

2005-11-03 Thread freealonzo
Wow!  I'm surprised Ms. Marks forgot to mention the Inquisition, 
Holocaust, and the DiVinci Code! 

I think I can state pretty categorically that DSL/Catholic/Parochial 
schools are not "designed to discriminate." It's true many parochial 
schools don't serve students with severe emotional or physical 
disabilities but this is a function of money -- Parocial shools are 
supported entirely by student tuition and the generosity of parishiners 
and they plain and simple don't have the staff and resources to 
adequately serve disabled children.  I also know for a fact that DSL 
and other Catholic/Parochial schools admit children of a variety of 
abilities, IQ's, incomes, races, creeds, religions, voting habits, 
sexual orientations, genders, music preferences, and future 
aspirations.  To suggest otherwise is to slime DSL and the Catholic 
Church as an institution.

The fact is the modern Catholic Church/School that you find in 
Minneapolis DOES NOT discriminate against homosexuals and welcomes them 
into their parish and schools and I don't see any reason why the 
discrimination clause won't be signed by DSL.  Also as an aside -- 
Catholic schools teach evolution in their science classes, admit and 
encourage girls/women in leadership positions, and don't rap knuckles 
with rulers anymore.

What is really sad is the opponents of the football field are so 
desparate in their opposition to DSL's plans that they are willing to 
resort to name calling, ugly name calling at that.  Let's elevate the 
discourse, there's plenty to discuss regarding DSL's football field 
plans that don't involve dragging a whole religion through the mire.

Dean E. Carlson
East Harriet, Ward 10
Proud Parishiner of Annunciation Church
Proud Parent of two Annunciation School children


- Original Message -
From: wmmarks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, November 3, 2005 2:04 pm
Subject: Re: Fw: [Mpls] De La Salle and Non-Discrimination

> Christine Viken wrote:
> 
> > Yes, discrimination is an uncomfortable subject. ...
> > De LaSalle is not legally prohibited from discriminatory 
> practices.  ... 
> > Brother Michael had responded to Mr. Patrick Scully 
> *>>[founder/first 
> > owner of Patrick's Cabaret ]<< that some uses might have to have 
> > approval by the Archbishop, since De LaSalle is owned by the 
> > Archdiocese of St. Paul. You are aware of that, because Mr. 
> Scully 
> > spoke of their discussion in testimony at public hearings.
> 
> *emphasis added
> 
> As a private entity, DeLaSalle is designed to discriminate and 
> that 
> discrimination is supported, philosophically, by both church and 
> state. 
> DLS's goal is to turn out generations of bright, middle class, 
> mostly 
> Catholic kids who are educated properly to succeed and excel in 
> college 
> and, therefore, become the leadership of Minneapolis. You can go 
> back 
> through the leadership both public and private in Minneapolis (and 
> elsewhere) for probably 80 years and show a steady stream of 
> leaders who 
> went to school at DeLaSalle. They discriminate by not taking kids 
> who 
> aren't bright or who failed to pay attention in grade school for 
> whatever reasons. They are not required to open their doors to 
> kids with 
> severe emotion problems even if they have genius IQs and their 
> parents 
> are wealthy or to kids with labor intensive disabilities. At one 
> point 
> they discriminated against females, and may still for all I know. 
> They 
> definitely discriminate against GLBT kids, though in some 
> instances they 
> discriminate through various types of ignorance and torture, i.e. 
> the 
> church's position on GLBT lives and the pederast priests so much 
> in the 
> news.
> 
> Scully asked the right question: If DLS controls who gets use of 
> the the 
> stadium and when, will GLBT sports events be able to use the 
> venue? 
> Brother Michael declined and tossed it to the Archbishop. Then, 
> this 
> being a regional-city-history-park-stadium, during Gay Pride Week 
> can we 
> use that stadium for GLBT regional games? Not on your tin type, 
> buckaroos.
> As a person whose been known to describe myself as "queer as a set 
> of 
> purple teeth," and just for the amusement of it, if this stadium 
> is 
> built, I will do all in my power and that of my GLBT friends, 
> family, 
> acquaintances, Catholics, and even enemies, to see that high 
> profile 
> GLBT events are requested for scheduling in that stadium. Oh, it's 
> gonna 
> be a nightmare--demonstrations, media, court cases. What fun.
> 
> 
> WizardMarks, Central
> An Irish Catholic woman from Cincinnati
> 

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Re: [Mpls] De La Salle and Non-Discrimination

2005-11-03 Thread athmpsn77
Wizard:
 
Your statements that DLS "is designed to discriminate" is a horrible 
misrepresentation of the school.
 
I attended DLS.  De La Salle is private and so you're correct, it may limit its 
admission and certainly does so based on aptitude, testing and a variety of 
factors.  We both know that doing so does NOT constitute discrimination.  
Further you claim that discrimination may take other formswell no, it cant. 
 Policy positions and religious beliefs are not in and of themselves 
"discrimination" no matter how fervently you disagree with them.
 
You advance NO evidence that DLS has engaged in anything remotely approaching 
discrimination, but blanket statements to that effect sure fits nicely in the 
stereotype of "biased and hateful Catholic school".
 
I would even agree with you on one point.  I dont think the school should be 
allowed to prohibit a GLBT sporting event on park land.  However, when would 
the organization of this event cross the line from a soccer game to a political 
event which the site is not designed for and the use is not contemplated in the 
agreement?
 
It appears, based on your statement, that you would care less what sport was 
being played.  You might even "forget" the bats and gloves on gameday, as long 
as you got to poke a stick at the Catholic Church.  Shameful.
 
I've said before I think there's a right way and a wrong way to handle this 
debate.  I am compelled by arguments on both sides, but I obviously support the 
plan.  Your post, coupled with your earlier post this week arguing 
(incorrectly) that the land might be turned over wholly to DLS after a number 
of years, I think your scare tactics are the wrong way to discuss this topic.
 
 
Anthony Thompson
Standish
DLS Grad
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RE: [Mpls] In defense of Peter Wagenius

2005-11-03 Thread Jim Bernstein
I too want to weigh in on behalf of Peter Wagenius!  Everything that
Dennis Plante said about Peter is absolutely right and, I will add that
Peter is accessible, flexible, easy to work with, and knows his stuff!

Mayor Rybak and the people of Minneapolis are well served by having
Peter Wagenius on board.  He has earned the accolades and the
compensation!

Jim Bernstein
Fulton

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dennis Plante
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 11:22 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mpls@mnforum.org
Subject: RE: [Mpls] In defense of Peter Wagenius

Peter Wagenius is one of the most intelligent, hard-working individuals
that 
I have ever met, connected with City politics.  Which, is not only a 
reflection on himself, but also the current mayor for being smart enough
to 
bring him on-board.

He's played a major role in many of the policy decisions that have
allowed 
the City be be in such good shape financially in the very short amount
of 
time he's been involved.  There are many things we take for granted in
our 
everyday lives.  Peter's one of them.  Whatever he's being compensated
for 
his work, we're getting a "steal of a deal".


dennis plante
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Re: [Mpls] De La Salle and Non-Discrimination

2005-11-03 Thread nikkicarlson001
As DeLaSalle stated publicly when asked this question at the CAC:  when the 
field is being used for Minneapolis Park and Recreation Board activities it 
will have the same usage guidelines as any other Minneapolis Park and 
Recreation Board property.
 
Nikki Carlson
Linden Hills
 
P.S. I hope and pray the KKK never holds a rally there. If there is some sort 
of GLBT rally, please invite me.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[Mpls] Neumann to camp out on the city’s struggling Northside

2005-11-03 Thread Aaron Neumann

PRESS RELEASE
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact: Aaron Neumann
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~ Minneapolis Ward 3 City Council Candidate Aaron Neumann (Green Party) to
camp out on the city’s struggling Northside

~ Neumann will hold rally in one of the many vacant lots in “the hood”
and camp there until Election Day to spread message of peace, justice and
equality.

Thursday, November 3, 2005 – Green Party City Council candidate Aaron
Neumann will hold a rally on Friday, November 4th, 2005 on the Northwest
corner of Bryant Ave N. and Lyndale Ave. N. at 5pm to kick off his
campaign’s “Get out the vote!” drive and camp throughout the entire
Ward until Election Day, straddling some of Minneapolis’ most challenging
neighborhoods.

“We must educate, advocate, and organize in our urban neighborhoods about
the city elections” says Neumann, “and our message of making it a
priority to help poor people must be heard.  We’re camping out in ‘the
hood’ first, next to boarded and vacant problem properties, to spread the
message of what this campaign is about – fair and low-cost housing
policies,  police accountability, sensible drug policy, a healthy
environment, and greater opportunity for young people – essentially,
it’s about authentic progressive priorities that are so sorely needed in
Minneapolis.”

Neumann has been heavily campaigning in the traditionally underserved
low-voter turnout Northside neighborhoods of Hawthorne and McKinley because,
as he puts it, “the Northside exemplifies all the great challenges that we
face in this city in the 21st century – crime, gangs, poverty, domestic
violence, police brutality, substance abuse - to name a few.  We must focus
our energy and policies not only here, like some politicians exclusively
have, but beginning here and throughout the new Ward 3 as to create the most
livable, just and peaceful Minneapolis possible for all residents.”

James Everett, former President of the Mpls NAACP, PEACE Foundations Board
member, Hip-Hop advocate as founder of the Sub Zero Collective, and
Neumann’s campaign manager, agrees. “Being that we don’t have a ton of
money like our opponent has, we’re camping out to show our love for ‘the
hood,’” Everett continues, “I believe in Aaron, and his commitment to
making real difference in our neighborhoods for future generations.   I
believe that his campaign is truly bridging the community with social,
economic, and environmental justice.  Religious people take calculated
risks; spiritual people take leaps of faith.  Aaron takes that leap every
day, block to block.”

Aaron Neumann is a neighborhood advocate, writer, massage therapist, artist,
and friend of the Mississippi River.  He has a ten-year history of public
service and environmental/social justice organizing experience.  Aaron
currently works for Pulse of the Twin Cities alternative weekly newspaper
and resides in Northeast Minneapolis with his fiancée Noelle DeHarpporte.
This is his first run for political office, and, at age 29, he is the
youngest candidate for Minneapolis City Council.
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Aaron Neumann
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Northside * Northeast * Southeast
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Re: Fw: [Mpls] De La Salle and Non-Discrimination

2005-11-03 Thread wmmarks

Christine Viken wrote:


Yes, discrimination is an uncomfortable subject. ...
De LaSalle is not legally prohibited from discriminatory practices.  ... 
Brother Michael had responded to Mr. Patrick Scully *>>[founder/first 
owner of Patrick's Cabaret ]<< that some uses might have to have 
approval by the Archbishop, since De LaSalle is owned by the 
Archdiocese of St. Paul. You are aware of that, because Mr. Scully 
spoke of their discussion in testimony at public hearings.


*emphasis added

As a private entity, DeLaSalle is designed to discriminate and that 
discrimination is supported, philosophically, by both church and state. 
DLS's goal is to turn out generations of bright, middle class, mostly 
Catholic kids who are educated properly to succeed and excel in college 
and, therefore, become the leadership of Minneapolis. You can go back 
through the leadership both public and private in Minneapolis (and 
elsewhere) for probably 80 years and show a steady stream of leaders who 
went to school at DeLaSalle. They discriminate by not taking kids who 
aren't bright or who failed to pay attention in grade school for 
whatever reasons. They are not required to open their doors to kids with 
severe emotion problems even if they have genius IQs and their parents 
are wealthy or to kids with labor intensive disabilities. At one point 
they discriminated against females, and may still for all I know. They 
definitely discriminate against GLBT kids, though in some instances they 
discriminate through various types of ignorance and torture, i.e. the 
church's position on GLBT lives and the pederast priests so much in the 
news.


Scully asked the right question: If DLS controls who gets use of the the 
stadium and when, will GLBT sports events be able to use the venue? 
Brother Michael declined and tossed it to the Archbishop. Then, this 
being a regional-city-history-park-stadium, during Gay Pride Week can we 
use that stadium for GLBT regional games? Not on your tin type, buckaroos.


As a person whose been known to describe myself as "queer as a set of 
purple teeth," and just for the amusement of it, if this stadium is 
built, I will do all in my power and that of my GLBT friends, family, 
acquaintances, Catholics, and even enemies, to see that high profile 
GLBT events are requested for scheduling in that stadium. Oh, it's gonna 
be a nightmare--demonstrations, media, court cases. What fun.



WizardMarks, Central
An Irish Catholic woman from Cincinnati




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[Mpls] Sierra Club Endorsement of R.T. Rybak

2005-11-03 Thread Jill Boogren
Sierra Club enthusiastically endorses R.T. Rybak for Mayor because he will 
be the strongest advocate for clean air and water, greener government, 
vibrant neighborhoods and world-class parks.


It is clear that for Mayor Rybak the environment is not a side- nor a 
stand-alone issue; he incorporates green initiatives into city planning 
across all departments.  Mayor Rybak negotiates hard while at the same time 
building coalitions, as he has done with suburban representatives along 35W 
to secure a bus rapid transitway instead of a cars-only freeway expansion, 
with legislators to develop a statewide aviation strategy, and with a broad 
range of stakeholders to secure the conversion of the Riverside coal plant 
to cleaner natural gas.


Mayor Rybak has also taken simple steps to green up City Hall, like 
immediately replacing the Mayor's Lincoln Town Car with a hybrid car, 
setting computer monitors to sleep mode to conserve energy, using energy 
efficient lighting, and increasing to 95% the amount of paper being used 
that has at least 30% recycled content.


The Mayor also raised money to plant 5,000 trees throughout Minneapolis, 
even though that is technically the Park Board's responsibility, and he is 
putting much needed funding into expanding our bikeways throughout the city.


Rooted in activism, Mayor Rybak understands the importance of engaging 
community groups in issues facing our city.  Further, the Mayor does not 
accept campaign contributions from people who do business with the city.


We endorsed Mayor Rybak in 2001.  During his first term, despite tight 
fiscal constraints, the Mayor has moved green initiatives forward and taken 
positive steps to green up City Hall.  Mayor Rybak sticks to his principles, 
he builds exciting coalitions, and he puts the environment first.  For these 
reasons and more the Sierra Club endorsed him for a second term and look 
forward to working with him to continue the great work he has started.


Sierra Club endorsements follow a two-committee process.  The Minneapolis 
Political Committee is comprised of member volunteers who were invited to 
participate last January through our newsletter and online activist network 
and by other volunteers.  This committee prioritizes races, screens 
candidates and makes recommendations to our Chapter Executive Committee, the 
elected governing body for the Minnesota Sierra Club which has final 
authority over our endorsement decisions.  Each committee requires a 
two-thirds vote for an endorsement to proceed.


The Sierra Club is a non-partisan organization with 20,000 members in 
Minnesota, including 4,400 in Minneapolis.


Jill Boogren
Sierra Club Minneapolis Political Committee
Standish-Ericsson Neighborhood


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Re: [Mpls] Justice Du Jour

2005-11-03 Thread David Greene

Mark Hanson wrote:

A large metro area needs user-friendly, cost-effective public transit, 
but to assign the word 'justice' to that goal is a very big stretch. It 
implies that that public transit is an entitlement, and the tax base 
(collective) needs to accomodate the needs in the name of 'justice'.  It 
also suggests, I think, an underlying belief that nobody should ever be 
inconvenienced or have to solve problems on their own.  Not being able 
to match bus schedules or LRT routes to your personal needs does not 
rise to the level of oppression.


Transportation is absolutely a justice issue.  I wouldn't label it
"transportation justice."  It's social justice.  No reason to fragment
our efforts.

If people cannot get to where they need to go for a job, health care,
food, clothing, etc. then they are suffering oppression.

What will happen to you and me when we have to give up our car keys
due to age or some other reason?

It's absolutely criminal that the recent service cuts stranded a lot
of disabled people in the inner suburbs.  I was at the Met Council
hearings on those cuts and people literally begged the council not
to cut them off from their jobs.

Of course the council is not directly to blame.  The Governor is
ultimately at fault.

-Dave
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[Mpls] eAudiobooks now available @ MPL

2005-11-03 Thread Krueger, Rodney

Heard any good books lately?

Minneapolis Public Library (MPL) has something new for book lovers and transit 
commuters -- free downloadable eAudiobooks. You can choose from hundreds of  
titles and download them with a Minneapolis Public Library card to listen to 
anytime, anywhere--especially while riding the bus or LRT.

With Downloadable Audiobooks from Net Library and Recorded Books, the latest 
audio best-sellers, book club favorites, and award-winning authors are only a 
mouse click away.  You'll find the latest releases, biographies, thrillers, and 
perennial best-sellers from authors like Alexander McCall Smith, Dan Brown, 
Elizabeth Peters, Patricia Cornwell, Nevada Barr, and many more.

Available 24 hours a day, seven days a week, audiobooks can be downloaded from 
the web (via the MPL website) and played on any desktop or laptop that supports 
Windows Media Player 9.0 and above.  You can also transfer your favorite titles 
to a wide range of portable devices, including portable music players, portable 
media centers, Pocket PCs, and even select smartphone devices (not compatible 
with iPods).


For more information on eAudiobooks:
http://www.mplib.org/netlibraryaudioinstructions.asp


For a demo of eAudiobooks from Net Library:
http://legacy.netlibrary.com/eBookNews/2004/December/NetLibraryDemo.htm


Thank you,

Rod Krueger
Library Board / Keeywadin


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Re: [Mpls] Transportation Justice for the 25% of Mpls Householdswithout Cars

2005-11-03 Thread Timothy J. Salo
Michael Thompson asks:

> ... Did someone slip another justice in on us sometime, without
> letting us know? ...

Apparently, some readers aren't taking "transportation justice"
as seriously as others believe they ought.  If they don't, upon hearing
the term, immediately believe in the rightness of the cause, the
correctness of the analysis, and the necessity for immediate action,
they risk being labeled "transportationist".  Of course, this may
leave them wondering whether this is closer to being an 
environmentalist or a classist.

(Actually, this may be another example of "plays well with the 
base", but sounds peculiar [at best] to a broader audience.
I guess it depends on who your intended audience is and what your
objectives are.)

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Mac-Groveland/Dinkytown


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Fw: [Mpls] De La Salle and Non-Discrimination

2005-11-03 Thread Christine Viken

Please take a deep breath, Nikki.

Yes, discrimination is an uncomfortable subject.

I was surprised by introduction of the topic by CM Erwin last night, because 
I've questioned several times in the public meetings why the reciprocal 
agreement had NONE of the standard equal protection language that other Park 
Board contracts have.


When others questioned the absence of labor guarantees, CM Hauser 
subsequently introduced that language. But there was not even any further 
discussion of the equal protection/non-discrimination lack.


And Nikki, whether they choose to or not, the fact is that, as a religious 
entity, De LaSalle is not legally prohibited from discriminatory practices.


We saw an instance earlier this year where a Catholic school elected to 
discriminate against the disabled twin brother in denying his admission 
while accepting his able bodied brother. And it was legal because they are a 
religious school.


I'm not sure who the "you" is to whom you've addressed your post, but this 
wasn't the first time the question of discrimination has been brought up.


In light of the legal exclusion that exist, this is about guaranteeing equal 
public access for groups and individuals. There are those whose values are 
not in accord with the established church teachings, i.e. abortion rights 
groups or same sex marriage supporters, among others.


That also is a question that's been brought up at the public meetings, but 
never addressed.


Mr. Sigglekow quickly replied last night that the facility would only be for 
sports use. Are other fields limited in that way? And what about use of the 
gym for rallies? And how can he guarantee that over the 70 years of the 
lease that this access issue is not going to come up?


Brother Michael had responded to Mr. Patrick Scully that some uses might 
have to have approval by the Archbishop, since De LaSalle is owned by the 
Archdiocese of St. Paul. You are aware of that, because Mr. Scully spoke of 
their discussion in testimony at public hearings.


I was surprised but heartened by CM Erwin's move, because this issue has 
been of great concern to me.


It's an unfortune morass that one wanders into whenever one crosses that 
border to mingle religious and governmental (public) entities.


You seem to think this was some act of blind-siding and was unfair.

In my view, it's about time some official asked these knotty questions and 
sought to guarantee the public's equal opportunity for access.


Christine Viken
Stevens Square/Loring Heights

Nikki Carlson wrote:

DeLaSalle and Non-Discrimination? DeLaSalle and Non-Discrimination? What? 
Is DeLaSalle discriminatory?


This time you've gone too far. You have crossed the line.

This sort of sneaky ploy makes me sick. You want integrity in government? 
Then play fair. Don't use red herring arguments. Don't attempt to smear 
DeLaSalle in your by any means necessary fight against this playing field 
and the park board.


DeLaSalle does not discriminate. DeLaSalle supports including any 
non-discrimination requirement in the reciprocal use agreement.


I was at the meeting last night. John Erwin brought up 3 amendments to the 
CAC playing field design motion: non-discrimination, more landscaping, and 
alternative parking. Since the motion was about design, most commissioners 
asked why he was bringing up non-discrimination at that time. Bob Fine 
asked how it differed from statutes already governing city and park 
properties. John didn't have anything in writing and didn't offer any 
explanation other than he wouldn't support the project without it. So Bob 
didn't accept the amendment as friendly so the board could consider it 
separately. That's all that happened. Everyone, including Bob Fine, was in 
favor of it.


There was never an opportunity for anyone from DeLaSalle to comment one 
way or the other.


Then come this morning I read Britt Robson's article written more than an 
hour before the park meeting even started last night. It included exact 
language from the Ft. Snelling skate park agreement that was not brought 
up last night. And he asks "Will Non-Discrimination Clause Trip Up 
DeLaSalle Stadium Efforts?" Darn, it didn't. Too bad. Your plot was 
foiled.


How dare you call yourselves reformers when you play these deceptive and 
manipulative games? Knock it off. You're not fooling anybody. This is a 
school. Trying to educate children. Examine your consciences and stop 
these sleazy and underhanded methods of promoting integrity.


Nikki Carlson
Linden Hills
DeLaSalle mom




















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Re: [Mpls] "Tweak" the Titanic

2005-11-03 Thread Chris Johnson

Christine Viken wrote:

Clear DayJust finished reading the Strib article, "Trust is issue in Park

Board races."


In it President Jon Olson defends the board as being more open than ever

through airing meetings on TV and the Web.


I'll let you in on a dirty little secret employed in taping meetings.

Speakers before the board were taped in front views except the speakers
wearing the Park Watch t-shirts that say, "We Deserve a Better Park Board."


Here's another little "secret."

The Park Board would not be airing their meetings on cable TV and the web, and 
would not be providing the additional documents on the web, if they had not 
been dragged, kicking and screaming in opposition, by activist citizens who 
continually asked for it over and over the past couple of years.


Likewise the DeLaSalle Citizens Advisory Committee (CAC, whose pre-ordained 
outcome determined by the distorted membership, foreshortened schedule, denial 
of information and preset agenda now being used as a cloak to hide behind by 
commissioners and other DLS supporters).   The CAC would never have even been 
created had not citizen activists pushed for it loudly and longly since 
February of this year.


Trust is an issue, and taxpayers are right to find Jon Olson, Walt Dziedzic, 
Carol Kummer, Bob Fine and Mary Merrill Anderson "not trustworthy" given their 
repeated betrayal of public trust during the past years.



--
Chris Johnson
Fulton

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RE: [Mpls] In defense of Peter Wagenius

2005-11-03 Thread Dennis Plante
Peter Wagenius is one of the most intelligent, hard-working individuals that 
I have ever met, connected with City politics.  Which, is not only a 
reflection on himself, but also the current mayor for being smart enough to 
bring him on-board.


He's played a major role in many of the policy decisions that have allowed 
the City be be in such good shape financially in the very short amount of 
time he's been involved.  There are many things we take for granted in our 
everyday lives.  Peter's one of them.  Whatever he's being compensated for 
his work, we're getting a "steal of a deal".



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[Mpls] Prairie Home Companion to Downtown Mpls.?

2005-11-03 Thread WJKAHN
How can they possibly hope to compete with Hooters?

Bill Kahn
for better self-editing of names, junk in Prospect Park
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[Mpls] RT Rybak and renewable energy

2005-11-03 Thread Christine Ziebold
An open letter to Mayor Rybak

Dear Mayor Rybak,

The general public perceives you as supposedly more environmentally
friendly than your opponent Mr. McLaughlin.
However, the proposed Minneapolis sustainability indicator targets from
your department, that I have had the pleasure to work and comment on as a
member of the Mpls. Citizens Environmental Advisory Committee clearly do
LESS than state law already requires utilities to do.

1. What is your proposal to increase renewable energy and energy
efficiency, and reduce greenhouse gases in the City? Both St. Paul mayoral
candidates have committed to increasing renewable purchases within the City
to minimum of 24 percent.  Can you outdo them?

2. More specifically, what will you do to ensure new buildings in the City
are built to high energy efficiency standards and include renewable energy
when appropriate?  I see developments especially in my SW neighborhood
where these issues are ignored ("unenforceable"). As you know, many
developers sell their buildings after several years, and hence don't care
about the long-term energy costs that they will strap their future tenants
with, also ignoring the impacts to the larger community.  What will you do
to ensure the energy efficiency of our future building stock? 

3.If you are not going to start a "Department of the Environment", is it
too much to ask to have one person, at a high level of authority, reporting
directly to department heads or the Mayor, to be in charge of initiatives
to centralize information on the city 's energy expenditures and green
house
gas production, to increase energy efficiency and renewables in the City?
Can you commit to this?

Please respond before the elections, as voters need to make up their minds
whom to support.

Sincerely,

Christine Ziebold MD PhD MPH
Citizens Environmental Advisory Committee (CEAC)
Resident of CARAG

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[Mpls] "Tweak" the Titanic

2005-11-03 Thread Christine Viken
Clear DayJust finished reading the Strib article, "Trust is issue in Park Board 
races."

In it President Jon Olson defends the board as being more open than ever 
through airing meetings on TV and the Web.

I'll let you in on a dirty little secret employed in taping meetings. Speakers 
before the board were taped in front views except the speakers wearing the Park 
Watch t-shirts that say, "We Deserve a Better Park Board." 

It's petty, its censorship and it shows we really do deserve better.

"I think we're getting there, " says Olson, "but we still have to do a little 
tweaking."

Sure, sure. And that's all the Titanic needed.

Christine Viken
Stevens Square/Loring Heights<>
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[Mpls] In defense of Peter Wagenius

2005-11-03 Thread WJKAHN
As I sat hoping to deny Walt Dziedzic DFL endorsement at the District 1 MPRB 
convention, I did not notice any supporters of the mayor around me, save one. 
You may recall that those delegates supporting the mayor walked out of the 
convention when the balloting was not going their way. I blame the mayor's 
folks 
for Dziedzic's endorsement, but I can't blame one in that camp--Peter 
Wagenius. Wagenius was one of the few from the mayor's camp who returned. The 
young 
man needs and is getting some seasoning, he is not an idiot, and I hope he is 
around to serve the public for a long, long time.just not in the present 
mayor's administration. We can all hope to be idiots less than half the time we 
live, Mr. Blackshaw and the mayor included, but time is short is pretty short 
for some of us.

Bill Kahn
grateful for a futile gesture in Prospect Park
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[Mpls] Justice Du Jour

2005-11-03 Thread Mark Hanson


Michael Thompson wrote:

Just as an aside, and solely for my benefit: this is the first time I've
ever seen used the term "Transportation Justice." I've heard of "social
justice" (though I'm not sure what that means) and "economic justice" and
maybe even a couple of other "justice"s. But "Transportation Justice" is a
new one to me. What does it mean?

Did someone slip another justice in on us sometime, without letting us know?
In the future, could someone please announce new justices when they come
out, so people like me can be "justice aware" and give each new "justice"
its due justice.

Mark says:

Thank you Michael - you often write what I'm thinking.

It reminds me of an old saying, 'I exist. Please accomodate me'.

A large metro area needs user-friendly, cost-effective public transit, but 
to assign the word 'justice' to that goal is a very big stretch. It implies 
that that public transit is an entitlement, and the tax base (collective) 
needs to accomodate the needs in the name of 'justice'.  It also suggests, I 
think, an underlying belief that nobody should ever be inconvenienced or 
have to solve problems on their own.  Not being able to match bus schedules 
or LRT routes to your personal needs does not rise to the level of 
oppression.


Mark Hanson
Prospect Park


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[Mpls] Hooters, Block E & Downtown Development

2005-11-03 Thread WLDJ36
An excellent summary of downtown Minneapolis Block E development in light  of 
the Hooters controversy in today's Doug Grow column. According to some, if  
Block was better developed, Hooters would not be an issue. From the Grow  
column:
 
"Bottom line from McCaffrey: Minneapolis isn't in a position to be terribly  
picky about which businesses move into the development. 'I don't have a right 
to  hold 'em out,' McCaffery said. 'The space is empty. They want it. I'm not 
the  morality police of downtown.'"
 
Here the link to Grow's column: 
_http://www.startribune.com/stories/465/5702892.html_ 
(http://www.startribune.com/stories/465/5702892.html) 
 
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Re: [Mpls] De La Salle and Non-Discrimination

2005-11-03 Thread nikkicarlson001
DeLaSalle and Non-Discrimination? DeLaSalle and Non-Discrimination? What? Is 
DeLaSalle discriminatory?
 
This time you've gone too far. You have crossed the line.
 
This sort of sneaky ploy makes me sick. You want integrity in government? Then 
play fair. Don't use red herring arguments. Don't attempt to smear DeLaSalle in 
your by any means necessary fight against this playing field and the park board.
 
DeLaSalle does not discriminate. DeLaSalle supports including any 
non-discrimination requirement in the reciprocal use agreement.
 
I was at the meeting last night. John Erwin brought up 3 amendments to the CAC 
playing field design motion: non-discrimination, more landscaping, and 
alternative parking. Since the motion was about design, most commissioners 
asked why he was bringing up non-discrimination at that time. Bob Fine asked 
how it differed from statutes already governing city and park properties. John 
didn't have anything in writing and didn't offer any explanation other than he 
wouldn't support the project without it. So Bob didn't accept the amendment as 
friendly so the board could consider it separately. That's all that happened. 
Everyone, including Bob Fine, was in favor of it.
 
There was never an opportunity for anyone from DeLaSalle to comment one way or 
the other.
 
Then come this morning I read Britt Robson's article written more than an hour 
before the park meeting even started last night. It included exact language 
from the Ft. Snelling skate park agreement that was not brought up last night. 
And he asks "Will Non-Discrimination Clause Trip Up DeLaSalle Stadium Efforts?" 
Darn, it didn't. Too bad. Your plot was foiled.
 
How dare you call yourselves reformers when you play these deceptive and 
manipulative games? Knock it off. You're not fooling anybody. This is a school. 
Trying to educate children. Examine your consciences and stop these sleazy and 
underhanded methods of promoting integrity.
 
Nikki Carlson
Linden Hills
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Re: [Mpls] Police Federation Shows Its Sleaze

2005-11-03 Thread wmmarks

Ghost wrote:


Rybak.and McLaughlin are two peas in a pod.


That certainly is untrue. There is one giant difference and that 
difference is what will make life doable for Minneapolis residents or 
make life miserable.


Rybak, bless him, is threatened by people who are smarter than he is. It 
shows in the staff Rybak chose. McLaughlin is not threatened by other 
people's smarts and has consistently had really impressive staff members 
over the years. In terms of determining the budget, setting policy, 
constituent services and on and on, McLaughlin looks for the ones who 
can really challenge his thinking and, therefore, assist him in working 
his vision through the processes. Rybak cannot do that.


This is Rybak's principle flaw as a public official and the most 
damaging to the city.



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[Mpls] Prairie Home Companion to Downtown Mpls.?

2005-11-03 Thread WLDJ36
Garrison Keillor's "A Prairie Home Companion" has discontinued its  
relationship with the Fitzgerald Theatre in downtown St. Paul effective January 
 1, 
2006. Keillor is looking to move the show to other venues. The Orpheum and  
State 
Theatres in downtown Minneapolis have been mentioned. It would be quite a  
boon to downtown Minneapolis to have the PHC crowd in on a regular basis  and 
would certainly help cement a Minneapolis Theatre District. Here is the  rest 
of 
the story: _http://www.startribune.com/stories/1526/5705292.html_ 
(http://www.startribune.com/stories/1526/5705292.html) 
 
Bill Dooley
Kenny
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Re: [Mpls] Who's got the voting power in Minneapolis

2005-11-03 Thread Jeremy Hanson

I agree that Minneapolis is becoming a more diverse city with larger numbers of 
immigrants and people of color. This is an exciting byproduct of the city’s 
renaissance and overall growth after years of decline. With 30,000 downtown 
residents, Minneapolis is the first large city in America to regain its 
downtown population after post-WWII declines and suburban flight. $3 billion of 
investment is underway in the city and construction cranes dot the skyline. 
Some of this development is high-end housing and some is affordable housing. It 
is happening downtown, uptown, midtown and Northside. This increased diversity 
will certainly affect the future of Minneapolis politics, hopefully for the 
better. Change is good for the new Minneapolis.

 

I disagree, however, with Mr. Monserrat’s assessment of how race and class will 
affect this election. I see change he predicts happening now. Recall that the 
recent University of Minnesota poll showed Mayor Rybak with greater support 
from Democrats than Republicans and Independents, who were more supportive of 
McLaughlin. Recall also that Mayor Rybak won the most 2005 primary election 
votes in Wards 2, 6, 7, 8, 10, 11 and 13, representing a cross-section of 
diverse communities in most wards throughout the city. 

 

The suggestion that future candidates will need to find common cause with 
increasingly diverse constituencies is right on the mark and is what Mayor 
Rybak aims to model. Refusing to accept the old ways of doing things, one of 
Rybak’s greatest strengths is his ability to build unique partnerships that 
unite people in innovate ways around a common vision. This includes working 
with faith leaders of many denominations to work on affordable housing, 
transportation, and Katrina resettlement; working with business leaders from 
Minnesota’s largest corporations on economic and educational disparities and 
transportation; working with neighborhood leaders from north and south 
Minneapolis to bridge the divide between our diverse neighborhoods; working 
with mayors from around the metro and the state to fight for regional solutions 
to transportation and airport challenges; working with strategic public safety 
partnerships that fuse state and federal law enforcement with foundations, parks
  and
 business leaders; and working with housing, jobs, development, faith, and 
education leaders to improve Northside neighborhoods.

 

I agree that these unique alliances are the way of the future, but with Mayor 
Rybak, they are happening today.

 

Jeremy Hanson

East Isles Minneapolis



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[mpls] What's with the "so called reform" Star Trib out of the loop????

2005-11-03 Thread Elizabeth Wielinski
More Park Board stuff in the news.   
http://www.startribune.com/stories/587/5705531.htmlSeems that if 
you are a questionable incumbent instead of taking it to the voters you 
go behind closed doors to air your grievances.  Why so shy now?


Liz Wielinski
Columbia Park

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http://www.parkboardreform.org/endorsements  The REAL MCCOY

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Re: [Mpls] Sierra Club endorsement of RT

2005-11-03 Thread Karen Harder
Mark Snyder said:

> By the way, that big Department of Environmental Quality initiative
> "unveiled" by McLaughlin yesterday? That's something that has been part of
> Dean Zimmermann's and Lisa McDonald's city council campaigns for at least
> six months now, plus other candidates who did not survive the primary.
> That's something that was in development something like a year ago by City
> of Minneapolis staff and Sierra Club's Water Committee and there was a
> resolution under consideration that was sponsored by a majority of the
> current council. In other words, it's not new.

KH:  Whoa, there, Mark!  There's a lot here to disagree with, but I'll go
with this for now:  Sierra Club's Water Committee was not involved AT ALL in
the development of the DEQ concept.  They never were informed about it nor
discussed it.  AND, McLaughlin announced his intention to pursue this
reorganization at the City in his Sierra Club questionnaire which was posted
on his website.  You knew this since you were on the Political Committee and
reviewed his questionnaire even before that.  That was February.
> 
> By the way, any Ward 12 voters who liked the Department of Environmental
> Quality (I know I do) idea should ask their incumbent CM about it since
> she's the one who killed that resolution as chair of the Transportation and
> Public Works committee.

KH:  I've had the opportunity to speak with CM Colvin Roy about this issue
and she was NOT against the new Department.  She had concerns about parts of
the Resolution that dealt with setting up the Department, but not with the
Department itself.   Have you spoken with her about it?  Didn't think so.
In my humble opinion, she was right on the money with those concerns and I
know she'd like to see a new proposal that resolves those difficulties.


Karen Harder
Lynnhurst

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Re: [Mpls] List manager news

2005-11-03 Thread Janis Hall
I'd like to go on record here and thank David Brauer for his vision  
and dedication to the Southwest Journal and Skyway News for the past  
several years. He has been an outstanding editor and I could not be  
more proud of the work that he has done for us, for his staff, and  
for the city he calls home. He will be missed.


And I also want to reassure folks that Terry and I will remain here  
-- behind the scenes -- and have every intention of continuing to run  
the papers in the tradition that we have followed since 1990, when we  
started the Southwest Journal. We take our responsibility to provide  
great news coverage very seriously, and will work to find the best  
person to lead our news team.


Janis Hall
Minnesota Premier Publications
SW Journal, DT Journal, MN Parent, MN Good Age




On Nov 1, 2005, at 10:13 PM, md wrote:
I suppose most are responding to this news offlistbut
certainly the Southwest Journal and Downtown Journal
during Brauer's leadership, became truly fine publications,
the standard of excellence was so high...that it's difficult
to imagine that anyone else can maintain it


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Re: [Mpls] Who's got the voting power in Minneapolis - Rybak does not believe it is poor people!

2005-11-03 Thread gemgram
Mr. Blackshaw should not worry about his previous statements.  It is 
actually indicative of the folks RT picks to run his "administration". 
Blackshaw's gaff is not worse than what has occurred in housing, with the 
Police Department, with the NRP, etc.  Actually, much more acceptable, 
because while they might damage Peter Wagenuis' reputation, as well as Mr. 
Blackshaw's, they do not do anywhere near the damage to Minneapolis 
residents that has been done by some of the mistakes that RT's 
administration has done to the City of Minneapolis. Peter Wagenuis did not 
deserve Mr. Blackshaw's attack, but then Minneapolis also deserves more than 
Blackshaw and Rybak.


Blackshaw's little "foot in mouth disease" does not come even close to RT 
Rybak's statement about Minneapolis residents being safe unless they are 
engaging in "high risk behavior".  That comment insulted every person forced 
to live in a poor neighborhood where the Rybak administration has created a 
situation where there is not adequate police protection nor public safety. 
Blackshaw's comments only insulted Peter and himself. Rybak's insulted a 
City.  Of course Rybak's statement did not insult very many people who he 
cares about, after all not many of his supporters live in poor 
neighborhoods, or neighborhoods of color.


If the more affluent people who no longer care about the quality of life for 
ALL of Minneapolis' residents turn out in huge numbers then RT Rybak will 
win no matter how badly his hirelings act.  Of course if there are still 
enough people from more affluent neighborhoods who care about EVERYONE from 
Minneapolis joining with those living in poor neighborhoods then Peter 
McLaughlin will win.  Minneapolis faces that sort of decision.  I am hoping 
that Minneapolis voters will show that they do in fact care about good 
responsible government.  That they do care about more that just fluff, and 
cute.  This election is about how Minneapolis cares for its most vulnerable. 
After all that is how you measure the QUALITY of a City.


"We measure the quality of our community by the way we provide for our 
children, our elders and our handicapped. It is the intent of our City to 
build community by laying a foundation on such principles and to organize 
its structure to guarantee the safety and happiness of our most 
vulnerable"<


I am hoping that Minneapolis voters will show that we still care about being 
a "Quality Community".  Minneapolis deserves to be that quality community. I 
only pray that Minneapolis demonstrates that past history, and past soul it 
has had from Hubert Humphrey until now.  Demonstrates that soul on Tuesday 
by electing a real Mayor rather than a Photo-Op opportunity.  A Mayor who 
will carry on Humphrey's legacy of caring for ALL of Minneapolis' residents. 
Not just the affluent! Demonstrates it by electing Peter McLaughlin.


Jim Graham,
Ventura Village


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[Mpls] Stage I Vapor Recovery - Mayor Rybak is right to take credit

2005-11-03 Thread Bensonale
I just want to clarify a point made in a recent email about the  
environmental record of Mayor Rybak as it regards Stage I Vapor  Recovery.
 
The initial Stage I vapor recovery ordinance was introduced and  passed in 
December, 2001 (2001-OR-160), but that ordinance only applied to new  gas 
stations being built and had no requirements for existing gas  stations.  Now 
think 
for a minute about how few new gas stations are built  in the City of 
Minneapolis.  There are some (like the unfortunate addition  of Bobby and 
Steve's on 
Nicollet) but not many.

 
In 2002, I authored with the support of Mayor Rybak a much  stronger 
ordinance concerning Stage I Vapor Recovery.  It was   passed in December 2002 
(2002-OR-193). This ordinance requires all gas stations  in Minneapolis to 
retrofit 
their stations with Sage I  Vapor Recovery equipment by January 1,  2007.  The 
link to the staff report and ordinance is 
_http://www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us/council/2002-meetings/20021122/PSRS20021113agenda.asp#TopOfPage_
 
(http://www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us/council/2002-meetings/20021122/PSRS20021113agenda.asp#TopOfPag
e) 
 
Scott Benson
Minneapolis City Council Member
Ward 11
 
Laura Huseby wrote on November 1:
 
For the record, I have been a volunteer for the Sierra Club Water Committee  
for the past three years.  I would love to participate in the next Sierra  
Club Political Committee.  

Point #1, RT wasn't even there when the  resolution for the vapor recovery 
was written.  And I believe your trying  to claim all the credit for someone 
who 
wasn't even there for the  work.
SOURCE: Ordinance 2001-Or-160, proposed by CM Biernat, amended Title  13, 
Chapter 287.110, required that all gas stations established after 1/1/02  must 
install and use a Stage I vapor recovery system. This proposed ordinance  
passed 
unanimously on December 28, 2001, by City Council and was approved on  
December 31, 2001, by Mayor Sharon Sayles  Belton.


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[Mpls] Park and Wreck....CP spotlights Bob Fine and the dysfunctional Park Board

2005-11-03 Thread Niel Ritchie

from the article..."In short, the Park Board has been
the poster child for unchecked government." 

Britt Robson has done a great job of capturing the
truly dysfunctional and out of control nature of the
Park Board. The story is compelling and makes it clear
why reform is desperately needed and the status quo
must go!

http://www.citypages.com/databank/26/1300/article13825.asp


Knowing that many of our friends and neighbors don't
spend quite as much time laboring over these down
ballot politics, this one is worth sharing. Pass it
on!



Niel Ritchie
Linden Hills




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