Copy ethics? SUPPORT ACTIVE GROUPS!
Hi, This is a rather serious complaint. Please react to this mail/news posting. Although I am ofcourse aware of the copying of software, and have said things about it before, now is as good a time as ever to talk about it. I would like to file an "official complaint" against: -MSX Club Power Replay- No joke. Software of active groups is on the XTORY II CD rom (e.g. Akin) and frankly, it pisses me off. Why can these people be so STUPID as to copy software from the last surviving coders? Companies who have abandoned the MSX scene, okay, they aren't selling their stuff, but active groups? Hellooo? Rafael Corrales? Are you isane, or what? Do you want to keep making some money on MSX? Then try to SUPPORT the active coders, nitwit! (I'm trying to remain decent. Yes, Parallax software has been pirated often enough, but now the stuff is getting serious.) I am posting this message because I want to know your opinion on this subject, and maybe we can enforce the 'accepted' copy-ethics. Many FTP archives apply fair rules. Everyone knows we have to avoid copying software from active groups. Are you guys with me on that? [There is even a list of the games on XTORY II online (!) (http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Classroom/9927//xtory2.zip), and I will try to get this removed by legal means.] So: are you supportive of active coders, then mail/post! Try to save the last few coders! Kind regards, Cas Cremers -- Parallax MSX Games http://www.stack.nl/~cas/par/ -- ACTIVE group! -- MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Copy ethics? SUPPORT ACTIVE GROUPS! (but not ROM protections please!!)
I think that the active MSX groups should form a council to control the MSX software piracy on digital magazines and other electronic medias like FTP and HTTP. Some software like games could use a sort of hardware copy protection I agree with this but... like a ROM cartridge as part of the package ...NOT with this!! Me, and most people, have not slot expander! (This would make the software unusabe on a emulador and uncopyable but allowing to install on a HD) And how can I put SCSI interface, memory expansion/moonsound (most people still having only 128K of internal RAM, wich most times is not enough to run programs from HD), and ROM protection with only two slots? Please think other solution... 8-) And please, don't worry about emulators. I think that programs must be prepared only for run on real MSX computers. If they run also in emulators, nice: this means that emulator is good. If not, don't mind. I think that a hardware lock is much more efficient ! What about a protection via joystick port, like Tetris 2? Well I think you all should think about hardware copyprotections. If things become very bad, we can sold every game with a police which will avoid bad copy temptations on the user... guns can be considered "hardware", right? X-) - Konami Man - AKA Nestor Soriano (^ ^)v Itsumo MSX user http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/ Bay/9797/msx.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] "In Windows 98, 3.000 found failures of W95 have been corrected..." Translation: 3.000.000 not found failures continue without being corrected... - MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Copy ethics? SUPPORT ACTIVE GROUPS!
This is a rather serious complaint. Please react to this mail/news posting. Although I am ofcourse aware of the copying of software, and have said things about it before, now is as good a time as ever to talk about it. I would like to file an "official complaint" against: -MSX Club Power Replay- No joke. Software of active groups is on the XTORY II CD rom (e.g. Akin) and frankly, it pisses me off. Why can these people be so STUPID as to copy software from the last surviving coders? Companies who have abandoned the MSX scene, okay, they aren't selling their stuff, but active groups? Hellooo? Rafael Corrales? Are you isane, or what? Do you want to keep making some money on MSX? Then try to SUPPORT the active coders, nitwit! (I'm trying to remain decent. Yes, Parallax software has been pirated often enough, but now the stuff is getting serious.) I am posting this message because I want to know your opinion on this subject, and maybe we can enforce the 'accepted' copy-ethics. Many FTP archives apply fair rules. Everyone knows we have to avoid copying software from active groups. Are you guys with me on that? So: are you supportive of active coders, then mail/post! Try to save the last few coders! I fully agree with you Cas! These kind of 'activities' have also been discussed on The Futuredisk. Some MSX 'groups' don't seem to realize that they're stealing other people's work for their own profit! In fact: that is pretty stupid indeed. On some Futuredisks you can read that several CD's also contain a lot of Futuredisk issues, which is ofcourse also illegal and very stupid. DON'T BUY THESE CD'S! BUT MAIL THE MAKERS, AND SHAKE THEM! Maybe they'll wake up... Grtjs, Manuel PS: MSX 4 EVER! (Questions? See: http://www.faq.msxnet.org) PPS: Visit my homepage at http://www.sci.kun.nl/marie/home/manuelbi MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Copy ethics? SUPPORT ACTIVE GROUPS!
Hi, This is a rather serious complaint. Please react to this mail/news posting. Although I am ofcourse aware of the copying of software, and have said things about it before, now is as good a time as ever to talk about it. I would like to file an "official complaint" against: -MSX Club Power Replay- MOre illegal software on that CD that is DEFINATELY not PD: EXOR DIR 3/06/97 17:02 EXOR.Pensar.1996.Aurora. LABYRINT DIR 3/06/97 17:02 Magical Labyrinth Remix. LILO.ENG DIR 3/06/97 17:02 Lilo, the Quest for Fame MLS DIR 3/06/97 17:02 Moonlight Saga.RPG.1997.Turbo_R.MIDI. (or would it be a demo?) MMANIAC DIR 3/06/97 17:02 Match Maniac. T2SE DIR 3/06/97 17:02 Tetris II Special Edition. And a lot of stuff that is on the MCCM cd (with permissions), that should not be on this CD. Grtjs, Manuel PS: MSX 4 EVER! (Questions? See: http://www.faq.msxnet.org) PPS: Visit my homepage at http://www.sci.kun.nl/marie/home/manuelbi MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Copy ethics? SUPPORT ACTIVE GROUPS!
Cas Cremers wrote: Hi, This is a rather serious complaint. Please react to this mail/news posting. Although I am ofcourse aware of the copying of software, and have said things about it before, now is as good a time as ever to talk about it. I agree !!! death to all the MSX free-loaders I think that the active MSX groups should form a council to control the MSX software piracy on digital magazines and other electronic medias like FTP and HTTP. Some software like games could use a sort of hardware copy protection , like a ROM cartridge as part of the package (This would make the software unusabe on a emulador and uncopyable but allowing to install on a HD) About disk copy protections : They aren´t uncopyable ... so why continue with this ? I think that a hardware lock is much more efficient ! Well I think you all should think about hardware copyprotections. Cya ... -- Leonard Silva de Oliveira MSX user since 1987 MSX users channel on the undernet : #MSX the MSX user's channel Nickname : Vic_Viper [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Copy ethics? SUPPORT ACTIVE GROUPS!
On Fri, 2 Oct 1998, Leonard Silva de Oliveira wrote: Hi, This is a rather serious complaint. Please react to this mail/news posting. Although I am ofcourse aware of the copying of software, and have said things about it before, now is as good a time as ever to talk about it. I agree !!! death to all the MSX free-loaders I think that the active MSX groups should form a council to control the MSX software piracy on digital magazines and other electronic medias like FTP and HTTP. Some software like games could use a sort of hardware copy protection , like a ROM cartridge as part of the package (This would make the software unusabe on a emulador and uncopyable but allowing to install on a HD) That can be a big problem for users that don't have a slot expander. Usually I fill my MSX slots with disk interface and FMPAC. So, if the protected software uses FMPAC, I will lost many features! About disk copy protections : They aren´t uncopyable ... so why continue with this ? I think that a hardware lock is much more efficient ! Disk copy protections aren't uncopyable? That's an interesting theme for discussion! Do you know a disk version of the game "BATMAN II (aka Batman The Movie)"? You can use all available softwares for low-level disk copying, and you won't obtain a working copy of it!!! So, I think that copy protections is very good! The problem is that you need to create specific routines for all kinds of disk interfaces, and you need to detect what is the current interface being used in the system. So, that's a transposable problem! Well I think you all should think about hardware copyprotections. That's nothing that can't be cracked! Mozart Basic Compiler from Cibertron Software uses a hardlock connected to the joystick input, and it was cracked!!! Greetings from Brazil! -- Marco Antonio Simon Dal Poz http://www.lsi.usp.br/~mdalpoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] "The measure of success is the knowledge" /"\ \ / CAMPANHA DA FITA ASCII - CONTRA MAIL HTML X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Copy ethics? SUPPORT ACTIVE GROUPS!
] I think it's better to stickl all available time in making GOOD software ] instead of making BAD software with "GOOD" copy-protection... I still ] believe that if the price of the software is low, more people will buy it ] instead of copying it! You agree? How low do you think we should go? As far as I'm concerned the software prices in the MSX scene are already at a very low level. They are that low that I do not even want to go through the trouble of producing the software (copying the disks, printing the color lables and sticking them to the disks, printing/copying the manuals, putting everything togetter in a box, and so on). So I have decided to make only free software, which I can upload once to ftp.funet.fi and then not look at it any longer. Kind regards, Alex Wulms -- Alex Wulms/XelaSoft - MSX of anders NIX - Linux 4 ever See my homepage for info on the *** XSA *** format http://www.inter.nl.net/users/A.P.Wulms MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Copy ethics? SUPPORT ACTIVE GROUPS!
Hello, I believe you can't stop the copying of software... Some kinds of protection CAN damage yor disk-drive (the make a lot of noise when loading the game!)... and still these games are copied! About disk copy protections : They arent uncopyable ... so why continue with this ? I think that a hardware lock is much more efficient ! Well I think you all should think about hardware copyprotections. Will a "hardware lock" stop this? I don't think so... Even a hardware key can be cracked, it will take some time but it will be done! And if the hardware key can't be cracked, the software will! I think it's better to stickl all available time in making GOOD software instead of making BAD software with "GOOD" copy-protection... I still believe that if the price of the software is low, more people will buy it instead of copying it! You agree? --[ MARI ]-- -- Visit XSW-Magazine's HomePage at: http://www.xsw-msx.demon.nl -- M.H.M. van den Broek Molenweg 17 5342 TA Oss The Netherlands +31 (412) 630653 / +31 (622) 125592 -- MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Copy ethics? SUPPORT ACTIVE GROUPS!
Leonard Silva de Oliveira schreef: Cas Cremers wrote: Hi, This is a rather serious complaint. Please react to this mail/news posting. Although I am ofcourse aware of the copying of software, and have said things about it before, now is as good a time as ever to talk about it. I agree !!! death to all the MSX free-loaders I think that the active MSX groups should form a council to control the MSX software piracy on digital magazines and other electronic medias like FTP and HTTP. Some software like games could use a sort of hardware copy protection , like a ROM cartridge as part of the package (This would make the software unusabe on a emulador and uncopyable but allowing to install on a HD) About disk copy protections : They aren´t uncopyable ... so why continue with this ? I think that a hardware lock is much more efficient ! Well I think you all should think about hardware copyprotections hardware protections will make the software too expensive for a small marketlike MSX and if the can't copy it the will crack it. the best protection is to give the software extra value. make a nice booklet , a nice box ,disk labels etc.. ask the player ,random, to type a word out of the booklet (something like "word 2 , page 11") you can still copy it , but not as quick as only 1 disk. Erik de Boer -- MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Copy ethics? SUPPORT ACTIVE GROUPS!
Hellooo? Rafael Corrales? Are you isane, or what? Do you want to keep making some money on MSX? Then try to SUPPORT the active coders, nitwit! (I'm trying to remain decent. Yes, Parallax software has been pirated often enough, but now the stuff is getting serious.) I am posting this message because I want to know your opinion on this subject, and maybe we can enforce the 'accepted' copy-ethics. Many FTP archives apply fair rules. Everyone knows we have to avoid copying software from active groups. Are you guys with me on that? I think, that we are really talking about a serious probblem here. I really agree, that this kind of "offical piracy" should be killed from MSX scene as soon as possibble. Anyway my humble opinion is, that if we (MSX users) want to keep MSX alive, we can do it. I think, that I'm not only guy with brains here. Yes, I have had (and I still have) lots of not buyed games, because I have received pirate copyes of many different games. That does not anyway mean, that I want to kill MSX game/utils developpers. If I get a good proggram as a pirate copy, and I like it, I buy it anyway. Not because of manuals or good looking stikkers, but to keep MSX proggrammers happy and coding. I agree, that it is a bit expencive sometimes to buy all software, but if you use even U.S. 200$ in a year for software development, I think, that you can feel your self a good user. - So what piracy matters ??? I think, that there are still people in MSX world, that have not used any money for software development, and that is really wrong!!! I know as a proggrammer, that makeing a good proggram is not that easy, as you may think. That takes really long time, and when you get that part ready, that you wanted to make, you still have to make all other parts, that you did not want to make. (User iterface is usually most boring thing to do. Belive me !!!) Another thing is, that if all people could get all MSX software without paying from it, I bet that most people would not like to pay anything, and rest of them would be like me. Paying only software, that they like (Cas, this is part, that you don't have to worry about) and that would cause, that only most strong coders could survive. (Anyway I don't get all software without paying, so I sometimes buy also totaly crab without knowing it.) If you are now feeling pain inside of you, then do something about it !!! (I don't only mean skipping rest of this mail) Too many of us think, that software developpers are doing MSX support only for fun. This is partly true, because if there would be notehing fun, they would stop, because MSX is not a way to make money. Anyway if nobody wants to buy anynything, result is something like this : "It is same, if I do this proggram for my self without user interface or do I make those stuppid parts also." Think about this... ,_. _=_=_=_=!_MSX_!=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_, ! A1ST ~--- - I ( o o o o o o )i /`, / .::;::; ., / :::.:.:.::::!. -=- `, ~== NYYRIKKI : [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Copy ethics? SUPPORT ACTIVE GROUPS!
:hardware protections will make the software too expensive for a small marketlike :MSX and if the can't copy it the will crack it. :the best protection is to give the software extra value. :make a nice booklet , a nice box ,disk labels etc.. :ask the player ,random, to type a word out of the booklet :(something like "word 2 , page 11") :you can still copy it , but not as quick as only 1 disk. Exactly!!! This is perfect!!! Why do you people thing I _bought_ the English translation of Metal Gear 2??? ~Grayw MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Copy ethics? SUPPORT ACTIVE GROUPS! (fwd)
Hello, This is a rather serious complaint. Please react to this mail/news posting. Although I am ofcourse aware of the copying of software, and have said things about it before, now is as good a time as ever to talk about it. I agree with what was said about copy protection, but i think that there's one point we need to talk: some companies that write MSX games doesn't produce a demo version. I love MSX, and i would like to support MSX developers so they can write more MSX software, but i would like first to know if i will use his software. For instance, I always liked Penguin Adventure and i would like to buy a sequel or a clone of it, and i heard about Pentaro Odissey. I would like to buy it, but how can i know if it's really worth to me? In that case, i could even buy it, if i don't like it, I won't loose much money, but what about the other softwares (sonyc and others) ? I can't afford to buy every software released for MSX just to see what will fit to my needs. So please gentleman, develop with the soft a demo version so we can get it on the net and try your soft. It could have just one stage, or don't have music or savegame, whatever, but that we can see what was done. Since i won't find a demo of Pentaro on the net, someone here can make a video file (avi or other format) with some images of the game (for instance, the first stage, doesn't need to be all of it, or any other part you think it's good) and put it on the net compacted with zip or arj ? Since MSX games doesn't have 65000 or more colors, it will compact ok Well, that's it. []s Mauricio Braga. MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Copy ethics? SUPPORT ACTIVE GROUPS!
: I would like to file an "official complaint" against: : : -MSX Club Power Replay- I hate the things they do. And they still are posting advertizing-messages about it. :DON'T BUY THESE CD'S! BUT MAIL THE MAKERS, AND SHAKE THEM! Maybe they'll wake :up... I tried to react to them once with a not-so-nice email but the server returned it to me. ~Grauw MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
RE: Copy ethics? SUPPORT ACTIVE GROUPS!
:make a nice booklet , a nice box ,disk labels etc.. This is the best thing that can be done. I _like_ games with a good manual. -- Antoni Burguera Burguera E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- 9D-La Novena Dimensio http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dimension/9812 -- MallorcaWeb http://www.mallorcaweb.com http://www.mallorcaweb.com/sessalines -- MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Copy ethics? SUPPORT ACTIVE GROUPS!
:You sure are broadcasting a lot of "teasers" for your game. Is there a demo :version or something available? Oh, do I??? Well, anyway, no demo is released yet, and it may take some time for it to come either. For the development is giong (way too) slow... And at the moment, _something_ is not working correctly, which screws up anything. And I don't know what!!! It isn't the interrupt... Anyway, I'm only working on it when I feel like it (people, the winter-period is coming up!)... So sometimes there are quite large periods of non-development... ~Grauw MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Copy ethics? SUPPORT ACTIVE GROUPS!
At 01:30 PM 10/04/98 +0200, you wrote: There are still some people who spent a lot of time and money in making labels, manuals so they can sell a nice package... They don't make a lot of money and are glad that they can pay their bills. Fony for example stopped selling FR after the Tilburg fair, we continued with that. We made new manuals, new labels... and we still sell it for the same price... We could easily raise the price but we didn't... Allmost all the money will go to Japan... So sell something, you need both a seller and a buyer. I think Fony did a good job selling FR, so the question is: Why did so few people buy it? It's a good thing that FR is still sold (by you). But how many people bought it? If it's still such a small group of people, there hasn't been much progress. Anyway, I think it's strange that old Konami cartridges are easily sold, but new software isn't. We all want new MSX software, but if too few people buy it, the developers will stop creating new software. Bye, Maarten MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Copy ethics? SUPPORT ACTIVE GROUPS!
Hello, So sell something, you need both a seller and a buyer. I think Fony did a good job selling FR, so the question is: Why did so few people buy it? It's a good thing that FR is still sold (by you). But how many people bought it? If it's still such a small group of people, there hasn't been much progress. Yes, Fony did a great job by selling this game... and yes, now we are selling this game! I cannot answer the question why only a few people bought this game... but is the number of sold copies that important? We continued selling the game because we believed that it would be possible to sell more copies of this fabulous game... and we did... If we now stop making new software, MSX will end before the end of next year, that's for sure. Maybe only a few people will still be active... the rest is gone... How many people bought F-Nano2 at our stand? Only 2 or 3 Maybe the garphics weren't that good, but people had a lot of fun with the game. Should we now stop selling this game and tell the people in Japan that we are no longer interessted in new software? Anyway, I think it's strange that old Konami cartridges are easily sold, but new software isn't. We all want new MSX software, but if too few people buy it, the developers will stop creating new software. Strange? Some people like to have everything with the Konami-logo on it... --[ MARI ]-- MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Copy ethics? SUPPORT ACTIVE GROUPS! (but not ROM protections please!!)
On Sun, 02 Oct 1994 20:04:59 +0700, Nestor Soriano wrote: like a ROM cartridge as part of the package And how can I put SCSI interface, memory [cut] Please think other solution... 8-) And besides it will raise the costs of the game. And cause problems of distribution. Yeah, maybe it is the most effective solution. For example: how many cracks of ARC (Parallax) have you seen on Spain? None. But at the other hand, I've been trying to get an original ARC, and it is difficult, unless you wander at 2nd hands stall of Tilburg and Zandvoort. Conclusion: I have neither an original nor crackings! : And please, don't worry about emulators. I think that programs must be prepared only for run on real MSX computers. If they run also in emulators, nice: this means that emulator is good. If not, don't mind. Of course we always have in mind real MSXes, but... I'd like to see you within 20 years... I think that a hardware lock is much more efficient ! What about a protection via joystick port, like Tetris 2? That one seems to be history... I mean: cracked. If things become very bad, we can sold every game with a police which will avoid bad copy temptations on the user... guns can be considered "hardware", right? X-) Okay Nestor, you are still in a good shape... ;-) CYA Get EuroLinked!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Copy ethics? SUPPORT ACTIVE GROUPS!
At 09:03 PM 10/02/98 +0200, you wrote: Every MSX-user knows this "rule" about 'do not copy things of active groups'. So they won't copy it. The people who will copy it are mainly emulator-users who won't buy it anyway. PC-games are much better and cheaper. So to hell with the emulator-users and just don't make a copy-protection. Games with copy protection will probably not run on emulators. So by not using a copy protection, you have a bigger chance that an emulator user will buy your software. My game will certainly NOT get a copy-protection. You sure are broadcasting a lot of "teasers" for your game. Is there a demo version or something available? Bye, Maarten MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Copy ethics? SUPPORT ACTIVE GROUPS!
De : Cas Cremers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date : vendredi 2 octobre 1998 12:02 [CUT] -MSX Club Power Replay- No joke. Software of active groups is on the XTORY II CD rom (e.g. Akin) and frankly, it pisses me off. Why can these people be so STUPID as to copy software from the last surviving coders? Companies who have abandoned the MSX scene, okay, they aren't selling their stuff, but active groups? Hellooo? Rafael Corrales? Are you isane, or what? Do you want to keep making some money on MSX? Then try to SUPPORT the active coders, nitwit! (I'm trying to remain decent. Yes, Parallax software has been pirated often enough, but now the stuff is getting serious.) [CUT] I fully agree with you ! copying soft that aren't anymore available on the official market may be tolerated, and I can also a little bit understand people copying games that some hugh companies are selling much more expansive that what they worth, BUT when some individuals or small groups are trying to make and release good stuff (software or any fan's news paper) it's a shame to get it without paying it ! as some say " if you like it or use it, just pay for it ". And if some people even try to make money by selling soft made by an active group, these should be suited by any legal way ! MetalGear MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Copy ethics? SUPPORT ACTIVE GROUPS!
Oberleithner Wolfgang wrote: For myself, I bought a lot of original software everytime when I visited a fair in the Netherlands. And there is more than one game which I've played only once, and never again. (There is even one which I have never played!) #) I know the problem. I have even some disk which I have even never got out of there 'distribution'-plastic litle bag. ^_^ I made this because of respect to the other programmers, to support them. If I really wanna play a "challenging" game I take my PSX... (sorry 4 that, but I am sure you'll understand). ;) Or one of the many console emulators ;-) Should anybody care for a Wolfenstein on a MSX2 ?? We (C-TNG) are investigating the possibilities, but don't expect something to see at Tilburg from it :-( David -- "How should I know if it works? That's what beta testers are for. I only coded it." (Attributed to Linus Torvalds, somewhere in a posting) MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
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Should anybody care for a Wolfenstein on a MSX2 ?? We (C-TNG) are investigating the possibilities, but don't expect something to see at Tilburg from it :-( Perhaps you can take some info from the developers of DOOM for Spectrum. Antoni Burguera [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Should anybody care for a Wolfenstein on a MSX2 ?? We (C-TNG) are investigating the possibilities, but don't expect something to see at Tilburg from it :-( Perhaps you can take some info from the developers of DOOM for Spectrum. Alright, how do I contact them ? David Heremans -- "How should I know if it works? That's what beta testers are for. I only coded it." (Attributed to Linus Torvalds, somewhere in a posting) MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
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[CUT] -MSX Club Power Replay- [CUT] You know what I mean? For myself, I bought a lot of original software everytime when I visited a fair in the Netherlands. And there is more than one game which I've played only once, and never again. (There is even one which I have never played!) #) I made this because of respect to the other programmers, to support them. If I really wanna play a "challenging" game I take my PSX... (sorry 4 that, but I am sure you'll understand). ;) Nevertheless I will continue my "investment" and developement on MSX. 8D greetz wolfgang -- Chief-Gavaman Programmers' Affair - The Vampyre of MSX Empire ACTIVE--GROUP- PA:http://www.myworld.privateweb.at/gavaman/default.html MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Copy ethics? SUPPORT ACTIVE GROUPS! (but not ROM protections please!!)
Hello, I think that a hardware lock is much more efficient ! What about a protection via joystick port, like Tetris 2? Good idea, badly planned... The keys deliverd by the games didn't fit in my Turbo-R (they ware TOO BIG!). The "key" was easy to open and in no time to reproduce... Why spending time in making COPY-PROTECTIONS... Use the time you have in making the game or program better!? Ask less money for it and maybe you sell more... You won't get rich by selling MSX software! The only thing we can do is telling our friends that certain people are selling illegal stuff and it is better not to buy from them! And only if we all do this we can survive! --[ MARI ]-- -- Visit XSW-Magazine's HomePage at: http://www.xsw-msx.demon.nl -- M.H.M. van den Broek Molenweg 17 5342 TA Oss The Netherlands +31 (412) 630653 / +31 (622) 125592 -- MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Copy ethics? SUPPORT ACTIVE GROUPS!
No joke. Software of active groups is on the XTORY II CD rom (e.g. Akin) and frankly, it pisses me off. Why can these people be so STUPID as to copy software from the last surviving coders? Companies who have abandoned the MSX scene, okay, they aren't selling their stuff, but active groups? I'm not impressed about it. At the first time I looked into Xtory II, I saw many "can this thing be here?" softwares. I'm just surprised that only now people discovered that and took the right decision. I didn't saw Xtory I, but I don't doubt it also has pirate software... And, also, brazilian "MSX CDs" announced in some pages... I didn't buy Xtory. And I will not. Adriano Camargo Rodrigues da Cunha ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Engenharia de Computacao - UNICAMP http://www.adrpage.home.ml.org MSX-TR:I have one.And you? * A hundred thousand lemmings can't all be wrong. * MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
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At 10:03 08/10/98 +0100, you wrote: I made this because of respect to the other programmers, to support them. If I really wanna play a "challenging" game I take my PSX... (sorry 4 that, but I am sure you'll understand). ;) Or one of the many console emulators ;-) Should anybody care for a Wolfenstein on a MSX2 ?? We (C-TNG) are investigating the possibilities, but don't expect something to see at Tilburg from it :-( It would be funny! MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
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I tried to react to them once with a not-so-nice email but the server returned it to me. I have sended some emails to him, and I have no problem with the server. Try this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Antoni Burguera Burguera E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- 9D-La Novena Dimensio http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dimension/9812 -- MallorcaWeb http://www.mallorcaweb.com http://www.mallorcaweb.com/sessalines -- MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
RE: Copy ethics? SUPPORT ACTIVE GROUPS! (but not ROM protections please!!)
What about a protection via joystick port, like Tetris 2? How is protected Tetris 2?? -- Antoni Burguera Burguera E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- 9D-La Novena Dimensio http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dimension/9812 -- MallorcaWeb http://www.mallorcaweb.com http://www.mallorcaweb.com/sessalines -- MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
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Hello, ] instead of making BAD software with "GOOD" copy-protection... I still ] believe that if the price of the software is low, more people will buy it ] instead of copying it! You agree? No I don't agree. At last fair in Tilburg we made the effort to sell Fighter's Ragnarok from Delta-Z (Japan). We spent a lot of time and money in it. It is the best fighting-game on MSX, it has a very good manual and we sold just enough to buy the gas to drive home again. FR is a bad example for this... I know how much time and money you have to put in to sell a game like this... FR was sold at a very low price, that's probably the reason why there are still FR's sold... --[ MARI ]-- MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
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Hi all, ] instead of making BAD software with "GOOD" copy-protection... I still ] believe that if the price of the software is low, more people will buy it ] instead of copying it! You agree? No I don't agree. At last fair in Tilburg we made the effort to sell Fighter's Ragnarok from Delta-Z (Japan). We spent a lot of time and money in it. It is the best fighting-game on MSX, it has a very good manual and we sold just enough to buy the gas to drive home again. It's not that I didn't get any money out of it but we couldn't even give those Japanese guys anything for their trouble (not much at least). They translated the whole game to english just for us here in europe :-((( I just wanted to get this off my mind, thank you for listening :-) Collin van Ginkel - Fony MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: Copy ethics? SUPPORT ACTIVE GROUPS!
On Sun, 4 Oct 1998 02:23:50 +0200, Collin van Ginkel wrote: ] instead of making BAD software with "GOOD" ]copy-protection... I still believe that if the price of the ]software is low, more people will buy it instead of copying it! ]You agree? No I don't agree. At last fair in Tilburg we made the effort to There's a matter: MSX is so cheap (except if you mess on hardware) that many people have it more as a secondary, cheap hobby that allows to have other ones. And when you have a secondary hobby... You all know what happens. MSX prices surely may not be lower. They can, but at what cost for the producers/distributors? sell Fighter's Ragnarok from Delta-Z (Japan). We spent a lot of time and money in it. It is the best fighting-game on MSX, it has Are you referring about having full control of character actions? If so, I agree with you, but... I prefer Be Bop Bout rather than FR. It is maybe the BEST 'amateur' -It just lacks Konami logo- game ever, with the permission of Moon Light Saga -Horus Chapter-, and the not-released-yet Core Dump. ( As I distribute both (BBB and FR) at Spain, I suppose nobody will suppose anything strange on my position. ;-) ) a very good manual and we sold just enough to buy the gas to drive home again. Lucky you! At Barcelona Meeting I even lose money with FR. It's not that I didn't get any money out of it but we couldn't even give those Japanese guys anything for their trouble (not much at least). They translated the whole game to english just for us here in europe :-((( Maybe we'll can. I'll write you later. I just wanted to get this off my mind, thank you for listening :-) No problem. CYA Get EuroLinked!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
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Hello, ] I think it's better to stickl all available time in making GOOD software ] instead of making BAD software with "GOOD" copy-protection... I still ] believe that if the price of the software is low, more people will buy it ] instead of copying it! You agree? How low do you think we should go? As far as I'm concerned the software prices in the MSX scene are already at a very low level. They are that low that I do not even want to go through the trouble of producing the software (copying the disks, printing the color lables and sticking them to the disks, printing/copying the manuals, putting everything togetter in a box, and so on). So I have decided to make only free software, which I can upload once to ftp.funet.fi and then not look at it any longer. Not all software is sold at the bottom price... still people think they can become rich by selling software at high prices... But what's a bottom price of software? How much will people pay? There are still some people who spent a lot of time and money in making labels, manuals so they can sell a nice package... They don't make a lot of money and are glad that they can pay their bills. Fony for example stopped selling FR after the Tilburg fair, we continued with that. We made new manuals, new labels... and we still sell it for the same price... We could easily raise the price but we didn't... Allmost all the money will go to Japan... --[ MARI ]-- Kind regards, Alex Wulms -- Alex Wulms/XelaSoft - MSX of anders NIX - Linux 4 ever See my homepage for info on the *** XSA *** format http://www.inter.nl.net/users/A.P.Wulms MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/) MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
