RE: MSX Mouse
we can only take a look at pilot-link source code. I'm sure many things can be re-used. Where can I find this source code? I do have a Palm (IIIxe) and a (Sunrise-type) serial port on my MSX. I'm still not sure WHAT data to exchange between them, but it would be fun to make it work. Pierre -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
Re: MSX Mouse
Em sex, 01 jun 2001, Pierre Gielen escreveu: Maybe there ie a option to convert a PC mouse Why not use a cordless mouse and modify only the receiver part? Come to think of it, an infrared receiver to sync a Palm PDA to MSX would also be nice. The only problem is a lack of information about the hardware specs and protocols. Well, I think it would be easier to sync a Palm with a MSX using a serial port. The protocols aren't a problem indeed, we can only take a look at pilot-link source code. I'm sure many things can be re-used. -- Ricardo Jurczyk Pinheiro - M. Sc. Numerical Modelling - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - 3635907 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Anime, ABU, MSX, Linux, Gospel, ST, Rock, Math Sola Scriptura - Sola Gratia - Sola Fide - Solo Christi - Soli Deo Gloria --- MSXRio'2001 - 28/07/2001 - http://www.msxrio.cjb.net - [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- --This Tagline is blank to save space--- -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
Re: MSX mouse
I said I had schematics for pc to msx mouse. I forgot to give the url: http://homepage1.nifty.com/anikun/ One of the instructions says that I should refer to http://anikun.hoops.ne.jp/page3.htm , so I visited. Quick look told me the hardware that Anikun is explaining, including the PS/2 - FM towns, assumes use of his PIC converter which is a complex programmable box. His apps and hardware allows use of optical and wheel mice. However, in my personal opinion, whole this huge idea is very complex. Takamichi -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
RE: MSX mouse
The schematics are clear and easy to build with lowcost. And programming the PIC chip is quite easy, it takes only a PC with a serial port and some simple components and freeware software. But to build the device the PIC programming source is required and I cannot find that on this apge. -Original Message- From: JP Grobler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 June 2001 11:18 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: MSX mouse Hi I said I had schematics for pc to msx mouse. I forgot to give the url: http://homepage1.nifty.com/anikun/ JP -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
Re: MSX mouse
Hi The source a .hex file is in the .lzh archives Serial mouse: p9bm2tmc.lzh Ps2 mouse:ps2m2tmc.lzh I have both and have translated the readme files in them to english via altavista. Mail me if you want them. I can also mail just the binary etc. JP [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 2 Jun 2001 17:24:26 +0200, in local.msx.int you wrote: The schematics are clear and easy to build with lowcost. And programming the PIC chip is quite easy, it takes only a PC with a serial port and some simple components and freeware software. But to build the device the PIC programming source is required and I cannot find that on this apge. -Original Message- From: JP Grobler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 June 2001 11:18 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: MSX mouse Hi I said I had schematics for pc to msx mouse. I forgot to give the url: http://homepage1.nifty.com/anikun/ JP -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
RE: MSX Mouse
Maybe there ie a option to convert a PC mouse Why not use a cordless mouse and modify only the receiver part? Come to think of it, an infrared receiver to sync a Palm PDA to MSX would also be nice. The only problem is a lack of information about the hardware specs and protocols. Pierre -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
RE: MSX Mouse
Maybe there ie a option to convert a PC mouse Why not use a cordless mouse and modify only the receiver part? Come to think of it, an infrared receiver to sync a Palm PDA to MSX would also be nice. The only problem is a lack of information about the hardware specs and protocols. Pierre To build an ir-reciever is'n that big a problem, building a IR-transmitter isn't either (you probably need both for succesfull interaction with other devices). I think the main problem is the software. Would it nog be possible to use some sort of ir-extention which is sold as accesory with some (pc-)motherboards (it is connected tot serial port 2 i think) on msx? (probably needs some hardware mods' though) Ed -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
Re: MSX Mouse
Fm-towns Greetz from Bjørn Boye Skjoldhammer aka The Red Devil Private hp: http://userportal.iha.dk/~00233/msxtrd/ MSX hp: http://www.trd.msxnet.org ICQ #20449307 MS Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: JP Grobler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 11:55 AM Subject: MSX Mouse Hi Is the atari and msx mouse compatible? What other systems have a mous compatible to msx mouse? Thanks JP -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
Re: MSX Mouse
What are the specs for a MSX mouse Maybe there ie a option to convert a PC mouse (like a logitec ps2 or serial) to MSX standart With a simpel 12c508 (or a nother PIC) or change the ic in the mouse to work with MSX and if the 12c508 option works a easy pc2 / msx port convertor can be made - Original Message - From: JP Grobler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 11:55 AM Subject: MSX Mouse Hi Is the atari and msx mouse compatible? What other systems have a mous compatible to msx mouse? Thanks JP -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
Re: MSX Mouse
What are the specs for a MSX mouse Maybe there ie a option to convert a PC mouse (like a logitec ps2 or serial) to MSX standart With a simpel 12c508 (or a nother PIC) or change the ic in the mouse to work with MSX and if the 12c508 option works a easy pc2 / msx port convertor can be made http://www.carchano.com.br/admouse.htm -- this one is serial to MSX butt now a days PS2 will be easyer - Original Message - From: JP Grobler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 11:55 AM Subject: MSX Mouse Hi Is the atari and msx mouse compatible? What other systems have a mous compatible to msx mouse? Thanks JP -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
Re: MSX mouse info
MkII, I'm seeking MSX mouse info (hardware, software, programming, interfacing, etc.) We've developed a sexy multi-platform feature-packed mouse/trackball and we'd like of course to include full MSX support. If you can (it's very hard), contact Ademir Carchano. He knows every pin and voltage of MSX mouse. He's the make of AdMouse! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.carchano.com.br Adriano Camargo Rodrigues da Cunha ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Engenharia de Computacao - UNICAMP http://www.adrpage.cjb.net MSX-TR:I have one.And you? * LISP: Lots of Infernal and Stupid Parenthesis. * MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: MSX MOUSE
How does the MSX mouse interface work ? It has something to do with Puls Width after it is triggered by the msx.? What do you mean, in Basic or in Assembly? If you r talking about Basic, read some nice book. If you're talking about Assembly, read the articles in MiLC. Perfect source. ~Grauw MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: MSX MOUSE
In assembly, but what i am interested in is Electronics and the interface, not the programming andre owner-msx [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 06/01/99 07:27:24 PM Please respond to msx [EMAIL PROTECTED] @ SMTP To: msx [EMAIL PROTECTED] @ SMTP cc: Subject: Re: MSX MOUSE Classification: Restricted How does the MSX mouse interface work ? It has something to do with Puls Width after it is triggered by the msx.? What do you mean, in Basic or in Assembly? If you r talking about Basic, read some nice book. If you're talking about Assembly, read the articles in MiLC. Perfect source. ~Grauw MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/) MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: MSX MOUSE
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef: How does the MSX mouse interface work ? It has something to do with Puls Width after it is triggered by the msx.? Andre van Dun Real coordinates are send over , don't know the format of the data but that's why you have to trigger it first , it set's the coordinates to 0,0 Erik de Boer -- MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: MSX Mouse ?
Valery wrote: Hi all, Who know information about MSX mouse intreface and protocol (time diagramm )? Valery Hi, I don't know exact timing, but I can tell about how to access. It is done through PSG, registers 14 and 15. Just in case you don't know: PSG is written to in the following way: Don't ever use this method for register 14! It is said to kill you PSG! LD A,register_number OUT (HA0),A LD A,data OUT (HA1),A For register 14, it should be: LD A,14 OUT (HA0),A IN A,(HA2) As you can see, PSG 0-13 and 15 are write only, while 14 is read only. Register 14 has the following form: Bit Function 0 up 1 down 2 left 3 right 4 button A 5 button B 6 I don't remember 7 cassette input bit 0-5 refer to the joystick selected by register 15, bit 6 Register 15: Bit Function 0 button A joystick port 1 1 button B joystick port 1 2 button A joystick port 2 3 button B joystick port 2 4 strobe joystick port 1 5 strobe joystick port 2 6 joystick select (0=port 1, 1=port 2) 7 kana-led (at least that is what I was told, I don't have a japanese MSX myself, so I couldn't test it) I'm not sure if I mixed up bit 1 and 2... Anyway, when using this keep the following in mind: R15, bit 0-5 are used to put 0 or let-go-high on the pins. If you push a button on the joystick, it will connect the pin to earth (0). By reading the stick (through R14), it checks the voltage on the pin. If it is high, it returns 1, if it is earth, it returns 0. This means that if you write 0 to R15, bit 0-3, and than read the button status, it will always be low (forced by the computer itself), so it will return low as well (code for pressed button). You have to watch out with that. Even worse: The joysicks I have at home (arcade they are called, not official MSX, but they work good) have their switches connected to strobe in stead of earth. This means that if you set the strobe bit to 1 and than try to read the stick (buttons or direction), it will always return 1 (except if they are forced to 0 by writing 0 in bit 0-3, in that case it will always be 0). So even when reading joystick, don't play with the strobe bit... Now why do I tell this, when you ask about reading the mouse? Because the MSX-computer uses what is called a joystick-mouse. It is read out as a joystick. The mouse returns the displacement from last read-out, not the position or something like that. If 2 programs both read out the mouse, 1 of them probably doesn't work, because the same data is not output twice. Anyway, how to read it? It is easy. There is 16 bit output (one byte for each direction) and it is read as follows: set strobe to 1 wait k clockpulses read data xl set strobe to 0 wait n clockpulses read data xh set strobe to 1 wait n clockpulses read data yl set strobe to 0 wait n clockpulses read data yh This makes clear why sometimes you have to unplug a mouse from the computer and than plug it in again. The mouse cannot see if you are asking for x or y data, so if it gets mixed up once, it will stay that way. By the way, MSX mouse does, of course connect the pins to earth. So don't worry about reading it with strobe high. The data is read from R14. Bit 0-3 are the wanted data, bit 4+5 are button-status, as usual. Other people might have wanted to know this, but I think this is not the answer to your question. I think this, because you ask for a time diagramm. That means you want to know the minimum values of k and n. I'm sorry, those values I don't know. I have seen programs with the following wait-loop: LD B,xx LABEL: NOP DJNZ LABEL for k, xx was taken 40 and for n 20, but this is probably not minimum. Therefore, I also want to ask the question: What are the minimum values? By the way: using minimum values might of course give problems to 7MHz (Ok Alwin, it's not 7, it's 3.59*2=7.2Mhz) MSX's and TR's. Since I don't have any of them, I don't know if there is a built in hardware solution for such problems, but if not, it would be advisible to make it a bit slower. Of course TR _can_ run on it's Z80, but the users will not like to do this just to make the mouse work a fraction faster on other MSX's. Still, it is the choice of the programmer. If you make it working fast on a 'normal' MSX, it is standard. So everything that doesn't work than, is not a MSX... But of course, this is not a very nice way to look at it. Bye, shevek MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
