Re: What MSX really means
2 Yen or so). In one Sofmap store there was also a second-hand software section with 2 shelves of MSX ROMs and one table with some lost MSX ROMs. I bought some nice and cheap ones of course (Konami's Baseball (only ROM), Arkanoid 2 (only ROM), Genghis Khan (complete, anyone knows it?), Hole in One Special (complete), Samurai Goemon (complete) and another game of Microcabin/Systemsoft which I don't recognize. Seems to be some older version of Great Strategy. If you want to see what I was talking about here, please check: http://www4.freeweb.ne.jp/diary/iakira/toukou/meye/DSCF0050.JPG Just FYI... Maybe you can tell me exactly what games it are? (See above!) Best regards, Manuel --- PS: MSX 4 EVER! (Questions? See: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/) PPS: Visit my home page at http://bilderbeek.cjb.net/ MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
And maybe someone can point ASCII to the current poll at www.msx.org? That's a good initiative, it's even fair since you can't even vote more than once ;-) Pierre MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
And maybe someone can point ASCII to the current poll at www.msx.org? That's a good initiative, it's even fair since you can't even vote more than once ;-) Some results are already sent to Ikeda - Yokoi - ASCII ;) Sander MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Sander Zuidema wrote: And maybe someone can point ASCII to the current poll at www.msx.org? That's a good initiative, it's even fair since you can't even vote more than once ;-) Some results are already sent to Ikeda - Yokoi - ASCII Some others (poll at www.aamsx.org) have been sent direectly to Nishi by me. ;) Regards, -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.aamsx.org MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
That's really bad, and the only one who will loose with this is us, msx lovers. Because Ademir and Padial are both talented guys, with deep knowledge of MSX, but if they go on they own, we will end up with two diferent MSX machines. We can't afford that, because there are few MSX users willing to buy new computers and wanting to develop new softwares for it. If they cooperate to define a standard, we could buy new MSX from Ademir and Padial and write software that will run on both machines. And Padial doesn't have to worry about english, because Ademir can understand spanish well, because we speak portuguese here in Brazil. :-) Anyone can speak with Padial to see if he's willing to talk with Ademir? Well there is a kind of 'solution': If Ademir creates a 32-bit cartridge with all MSX peripherals on it, and then put it in the Evolution4 expansion slot with a Z380 next to it... ~Grauw -- email me: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or ICQ: 10196372 visit my homepage at http://grauw.blehq.org/ MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
At 22:17 8-7-00 +0100, you wrote: And if Rob Hiep really gets buried with work, well, then he can ask someone else to help him, right? I bet there are plenty of MSX-people wanting to do something for MSX by helping Sunrise, especially in interesting times with an MSX 3. Autsch, can tell me which peopel will help us? Well, I'm willing... GreeTz, BiFi Visit my Home Page at www.bifi.msxnet.org mail me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FTP: ftp.bifi.msxnet.org ICQ #36126979 MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
At 23:04 8-7-00 +0200, you wrote: Hell, even Rob and Koen aren't subscribed to this list! But that's because they're so busy... It's hard get in touch with them if you don't use e-mail... GreeTz, BiFi Visit my Home Page at www.bifi.msxnet.org mail me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FTP: ftp.bifi.msxnet.org ICQ #36126979 MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
But, if I remember correctly, some guy from Sunrise (sorry, I forgot your name) wrote that this wasn't correct: they spoke with the Japanse guys after the fair. Yes, they TRIED to, at least. I was with them to translate everything, but I have to agree that the Sunrise-crew didn't seem to be very keen on putting any effort in these negotiations. I think they were are still very sceptic about it. This is way not the first MSX3 project, and Sunrise already negociated about other project which eventually turned out into nothing. And since they probably hadn't heard anything about this new MSX3 project before that day, and there weren't much details... And about Padial - he just wanted to keep himself far from talking with Japanese people, or something like that. He, sort of, ran away from them. I could quite well understand why the Japanese felt a little confused, if not, insulted. Padial's English is VERY bad. I could hardly speak with him myself. And it is true, he is quite reluctant to co-operate with other people (he also doesn't want to co-operate with Ademir). I -kind of- understand his reaction, but I also understand the Japanese disappointment. ~Grauw -- email me: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or ICQ: 10196372 visit my homepage at http://grauw.blehq.org/ MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
The problem was - i think - they expected a Japanese kind of fair (every group giving a short speech and demonstration) Maybe it's a good idea for the next fair to make a presentation room with a beamer and some chairs where groups can give presentations about their newest projects or maybe even seminars. Pierre -- During the marathon of Bussum 2000 there will be plenty of time to give speeches, presentations, info etc.. with an interested croud (isn't there Laurens??) Yes, that was cool (although the number of speakers was a bit limited :)). About the attitude of European msx users..!! You don't have to be excited about this project yet, just show interest, so Ascii can see what (if they are busy) they are doing it for.. No way ASCII is going to see the replies on this list. If I have to show my enthousiasm, please point me to a place to do so. Maybe it's a good idea to collect small messages of all European MSX users (at least on this list but hopefully also more) and then put them in one single text and mail it to Ikeda or directly to Ikeda's contact with ASCII. And maybe someone can point ASCII to the current poll at www.msx.org? ~Grauw -- email me: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or ICQ: 10196372 visit my homepage at http://grauw.blehq.org/ MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
p.s. I also think Japan overestimates Sunrise.Rob and his guyz are very cool, but if MSX gets serious again in Japan, they would need a stronger european partner...Rob would go nuts if he should carry this weight...I am not sure about this, but I thought Ikeda himself told me Sunrise isn't interested in new MSXThis would be a very wise decision Hnostar, perhaps? And if Rob Hiep really gets buried with work, well, then he can ask someone else to help him, right? I bet there are plenty of MSX-people wanting to do something for MSX by helping Sunrise, especially in interesting times with an MSX 3. ~Grauw -- email me: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or ICQ: 10196372 visit my homepage at http://grauw.blehq.org/ MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
The problem was - i think - they expected a Japanese kind of fair (every group giving a short speech and demonstration) Maybe it's a good idea for the next fair to make a presentation room with a beamer and some chairs where groups can give presentations about their newest projects or maybe even seminars. I would really like to do that at the (non-Marathon part of the) Bussum fair but I must be sure that there are people actually preparing and telling some stuff. ~Grauw -- email me: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or ICQ: 10196372 visit my homepage at http://grauw.blehq.org/ MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
Then why coming to a Dutch fair and talk about Sunrise/ Padial not showing much interest? This does not make much sense. Anyway, this discussion ends here as far as I'm concerned. Let the Japanese show us what they are up to. For now I think we can better pay some interest to the new harware Padial has made for MSX. Well, as far as I'm concerned, the Padial-hardware is about to face the same destiny as the GFX9000. There will probably be nobody willing to pay such a great amount of money for something which is simply not being supported by software of any quality... Imho, because it's not backwards compatible. BIG disadvantage. But anyways, forget it. Don't want to have this discussion again. ~Grauw -- email me: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or ICQ: 10196372 visit my homepage at http://grauw.blehq.org/ MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
I haven't read MSX Magazine. Is there an announcement from ASCII in it? Can't remember exactly, but only the fact that a company like ASCII is suddenly starting to support a dead system like MSX once again, is somewhat obscure. Probably, there is some reason for it. THAT's the problem. I can't see ANY reason why ASCII would want to do this. Surely it would be much more profitable to aim at the PC market or develop an entirely new machine, based on current technologies, which also is a 'home computer' like MSX. And I think that as long as this remains unclear, there won't be much people really believing it (at least in Europe), although any nessecary support will be given (but that's something the Japanese don't seem to need). Also, people put faith in projects like Ademir's or Padial's because there actually is something working. ~Grauw -- email me: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or ICQ: 10196372 visit my homepage at http://grauw.blehq.org/ MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
I tried to provocate a bit, to get the discussion going...I had the feeling the Dutch MSX-ers had to be woken up, coz this new MSX-stuff is really more serious then we Europeans (esp. Dutch) seem to think.We have waited almost 10 years for this kinda news. Everyone said it would be heaven if something like this would happen. Now, it really looks serious and nobody seems to care...Your cynism is okay, thoughThe dutch 'poldermodel' Most spanish users react the same way. They don't believe in this project and all they do is start flame wars in the spanish mailinglist when someone (like me) talks about the possibility of a new MSX. I hope they'll have to eat their own words after MSX Den-yu Land 2000. Anyone else from this list is going to be in Den-yu Land 2000? Manuel and me will be there. All the way to Japan? No way man. It's just a hobby... ~Grauw -- email me: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or ICQ: 10196372 visit my homepage at http://grauw.blehq.org/ MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
On Sat, 8 Jul 2000, Laurens Holst wrote: And if Rob Hiep really gets buried with work, well, then he can ask someone else to help him, right? I bet there are plenty of MSX-people wanting to do something for MSX by helping Sunrise, especially in interesting times with an MSX 3. Right. *IF* the MSX is launched again commercially, Sunrise and Hnostar would have enough work so they could contract people and earn enough money as MSX-oriented companies. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.aamsx.org MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
On 8 Jul 2000 21:12:48 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Laurens Holst) wrote: p.s. I also think Japan overestimates Sunrise.Rob and his guyz are very cool, but if MSX gets serious again in Japan, they would need a stronger european partner...Rob would go nuts if he should carry this weight...I am not sure about this, but I thought Ikeda himself told me Sunrise isn't interested in new MSXThis would be a very wise decision Hnostar, perhaps? And if Rob Hiep really gets buried with work, well, then he can ask someone else to help him, right? I bet there are plenty of MSX-people wanting to do something for MSX by helping Sunrise, especially in interesting times with an MSX 3. ~Grauw Autsch, can tell me which peopel will help us? Gretz Peter Sunrise for MSX MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
On Sat, 8 Jul 2000, Laurens Holst wrote: Anyone else from this list is going to be in Den-yu Land 2000? Manuel and me will be there. All the way to Japan? No way man. It's just a hobby... Manuel Bilderbeek is in Japan already... Greetings: Saku Taipale, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
* Author: Francisco Alvarez Hola ag0ny, la familia bien ¨no? El 06-Jul-00 a las 23:01:18, ag0ny taladraba a Anne de Raad Tema: Re: What MSX really means I tried to provocate a bit, to get the discussion going...I had the feeling the Dutch MSX-ers had to be woken up, coz this new MSX-stuff is really more serious then we Europeans (esp. Dutch) seem to think.We have waited almost 10 years for this kinda news. Everyone said it would be heaven if something like this would happen. Now, it really looks serious and nobody seems to care...Your cynism is okay, thoughThe dutch 'poldermodel' a Most spanish users react the same way. They don't believe in this project a and all they do is start flame wars in the spanish mailinglist when a someone (like me) talks about the possibility of a new MSX. I hope a they'll a have to eat their own words after MSX Den-yu Land 2000. Most spanish users? Well, only several spanish users... I (like others of spanish list I know) dream with new japanese MSX project. a Anyone else from this list is going to be in Den-yu Land 2000? Manuel and a me will be there. [...] Pazos, Javi, Saver... I hope that you'll bring news to Europe!!! -= Saludetes de Francisco Alvarez =- MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
On Fri, 7 Jul 2000, Francisco Alvarez wrote: a Anyone else from this list is going to be in Den-yu Land 2000? Manuel and a me will be there. Pazos, Javi, Saver... I hope that you'll bring news to Europe!!! Pazos isn't going this year. I've already asked him. Regards, -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.aamsx.org MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
On Sat, 8 Jul 2000, Saku Taipale wrote: Anyone else from this list is going to be in Den-yu Land 2000? Manuel and me will be there. All the way to Japan? No way man. It's just a hobby... Manuel Bilderbeek is in Japan already... And SaveR from Club MeSXes will be there in August, and another spanish boy from Reus, and probably S.T.A.R. from Matra. :) Regards, -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.aamsx.org MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
On Sat, 8 Jul 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: very cool, but if MSX gets serious again in Japan, they would need a stronger european partner...Rob would go nuts if he should carry this weight...I am not sure about this, but I thought Ikeda himself told me Sunrise isn't interested in new MSXThis would be a very wise decision Hnostar, perhaps? And if Rob Hiep really gets buried with work, well, then he can ask someone else to help him, right? I bet there are plenty of MSX-people wanting to do something for MSX by helping Sunrise, especially in interesting times with an MSX 3. Autsch, can tell me which peopel will help us? You won't have to ASK people to help you. You'll have to CONTRACT an engineer and pay him for his work. He (they) would be your employee(s). Regards, -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.aamsx.org MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
Laurens Holst wrote: Padial's English is VERY bad. I could hardly speak with him myself. And it is true, he is quite reluctant to co-operate with other people (he also doesn't want to co-operate with Ademir). I -kind of- understand his That's really bad, and the only one who will loose with this is us, msx lovers. Because Ademir and Padial are both talented guys, with deep knowledge of MSX, but if they go on they own, we will end up with two diferent MSX machines. We can't afford that, because there are few MSX users willing to buy new computers and wanting to develop new softwares for it. If they cooperate to define a standard, we could buy new MSX from Ademir and Padial and write software that will run on both machines. And Padial doesn't have to worry about english, because Ademir can understand spanish well, because we speak portuguese here in Brazil. :-) Anyone can speak with Padial to see if he's willing to talk with Ademir? []s Mauricio Braga. MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
the fact that a company like ASCII is suddenly starting to support a dead system like MSX once again, is somewhat obscure. Probably, there is some reason for it. The fact that ASCII tried to promote MSX in Japan in the eighties with a giant dinosaur may give us a clue... By the way, does anybody have pictures of this beast? Does anybody know what happened to it? Was it destroyed or could it be stored somewhere? Pierre MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
On Wed, 5 Jul 2000, Rieks W. Torringa wrote: In my opinion, the main thing to be achieved, is that non-MSX-users will be confronted with the system once again. And in a way in which many of them might even consider buying one. Right. And they would have the chance to choose anything besides the PC. Regards, -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.aamsx.org MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
When Anne wrote "I just want to say that I am VERY much surprised how we react in general about Japanese MSX-developments.We don't, actually...;-)", I wanted to explain why it is too early to become all excited. You made your point. Thank you!! ;-) I tried to provocate a bit, to get the discussion going...I had the feeling the Dutch MSX-ers had to be woken up, coz this new MSX-stuff is really more serious then we Europeans (esp. Dutch) seem to think.We have waited almost 10 years for this kinda news. Everyone said it would be heaven if something like this would happen. Now, it really looks serious and nobody seems to care...Your cynism is okay, thoughThe dutch 'poldermodel' does work! Sometimes I would like to see a bit more emotion in the Dutch character..*grin*.. Anne MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
On Thu, 6 Jul 2000, Anne de Raad wrote: I tried to provocate a bit, to get the discussion going...I had the feeling the Dutch MSX-ers had to be woken up, coz this new MSX-stuff is really more serious then we Europeans (esp. Dutch) seem to think.We have waited almost 10 years for this kinda news. Everyone said it would be heaven if something like this would happen. Now, it really looks serious and nobody seems to care...Your cynism is okay, thoughThe dutch 'poldermodel' Most spanish users react the same way. They don't believe in this project and all they do is start flame wars in the spanish mailinglist when someone (like me) talks about the possibility of a new MSX. I hope they'll have to eat their own words after MSX Den-yu Land 2000. Anyone else from this list is going to be in Den-yu Land 2000? Manuel and me will be there. Regards, -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.aamsx.org MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
You don't have to be excited about this project yet, just show interest, so Ascii can see what (if they are busy) they are doing it for.. So what can we do? Collect signatures? Mailbomb Ascii? Send a declaration of support to Japan? Pierre MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
Really, if there are companies in Japan interested in MSX again, they won't need our help... But our commitment may help convince them that there is still a lot of interest in MSX in the rest of the world as well. Even if it helps just a tiny little bit towards the revival of MSX, it's worth the effort. Pierre MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
I quote from Ikeda's MSX Print: English: We had also hoped to interchange thoughts with Sunrise and Leonardo Padial from Spain about which kind of CPU and soundchip will be implemented and what kind of harddisk interface could be used best, but it seemed to us that they had very little interest in this new MSX project. So this points out that they did not really try to contact Sunrise and/or Padial about this. No. It is a somewhat euphemistic form of saying: Sunrise and Padial didn't want to talk about this with us at all! This fair was a good opportunity to contact important people from big MSX clubs. The only thing I saw in the room the Japanese stayed in was a letter from Kay Nishi and not more than that. Our Japanese friends could have tried to attract our attention by actually giving us the information that is now in Ikeda's Print. They hadn't been given green light to publish that information back then. They did have some information to this subject, however, which they wanted to tell everybody in a speech. The fair in Tilburg, however, wasn't really the right spot to give such a speech. It's hard to get the attention of people who are moving between all the different rooms over which the fair was divided. really interested in the MSX situation in Japan. However MSX people nowadays have an attitude to only believe this kind of news if something is shown to them. Well, at least there is one thing that makes things a lot more comfortable to deal with: the Japanese don't really care whether the Europeans BELIEVE the news they send or not :). But it should ofcourse be nice if the Europeans gave their support or something like that. Rieks. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
Then why coming to a Dutch fair and talk about Sunrise/ Padial not showing much interest? This does not make much sense. Anyway, this discussion ends here as far as I'm concerned. Let the Japanese show us what they are up to. For now I think we can better pay some interest to the new harware Padial has made for MSX. Well, as far as I'm concerned, the Padial-hardware is about to face the same destiny as the GFX9000. There will probably be nobody willing to pay such a great amount of money for something which is simply not being supported by software of any quality... Sorry for the pessimism, but the Japanese aren't pursuing such an 'idealistic' goal... They just try to get the attention of non- MSX-users by creating (a better version of) the existing platform. Rieks. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
There is always some loss of information, an exact 1-on-1 translation is impossible between natural languages. Disagreed. Some ways of saying something might be slightly different, but the thing that is being said is quite well translatable in another language, even if the difference is as huge as the one between Japanese and English. You wrote yourself that the Japanese version was "quite unclear". True. So there was no loss of information. It was just 'quite unclear', as was the English version, like some already remarked. The most important step is Frontline - Ikeda, this is a real transformation of information. But, since Ikeda seems quite close to Frontline, information loss may not be severe. That is quite a contradiction, you write there :) I haven't read MSX Magazine. Is there an announcement from ASCII in it? Can't remember exactly, but only the fact that a company like ASCII is suddenly starting to support a dead system like MSX once again, is somewhat obscure. Probably, there is some reason for it. What is strange in my view, is that although there is much activity (announcements, ASCII-sponored MSX fair, MSX Magazine), there is still a lot of uncertainty about the part of the project that is most important: the machine itself. Possibly. The only thing we can do is wait and see. I just hate all those messages that try to dishonour the project even before started with. You don't do any good by doing something like that. And what is the intended audience? I don't think the existing MSX public will buy enough machines on its own (unless the new machine would be far superior to the turbo R). Do they aim at children who want to learn how to program? Do they aim at gamers who prefer 80's games to today's 3D stuff? Do they aim at hardware enthousiasts, who want to connect their home-made devices to their computer? In my opinion, the main thing to be achieved, is that non-MSX-users will be confronted with the system once again. And in a way in which many of them might even consider buying one. Rieks. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
On Wed, 05 Jul 2000, Rieks W. Torringa wrote: There is always some loss of information, an exact 1-on-1 translation is impossible between natural languages. Disagreed. Some ways of saying something might be slightly different, but the thing that is being said is quite well translatable in another language, even if the difference is as huge as the one between Japanese and English. If exact 1-on-1 translation would be possible, a computer could do it perfectly. The problem is that the translator has to interpret the meaning of the text, "the thing that is being said", as you call it. Interpreting the text is not an exact process, as it depends on information that is not in the literal text itself: context, prior knowledge, culture. A good translator can come quite close, but you can never claim to have an exact 1-on-1 translation of any non-trivial text. The most important step is Frontline - Ikeda, this is a real transformation of information. But, since Ikeda seems quite close to Frontline, information loss may not be severe. That is quite a contradiction, you write there :) :) It's not really a contradiction, it's softening the statement: "not severe" means there probably is information loss, but not very much. I haven't read MSX Magazine. Is there an announcement from ASCII in it? Can't remember exactly, but only the fact that a company like ASCII is suddenly starting to support a dead system like MSX once again, is somewhat obscure. Probably, there is some reason for it. And I am curious what that reason is... Possibly. The only thing we can do is wait and see. I just hate all those messages that try to dishonour the project even before started with. You don't do any good by doing something like that. I intended to be critical, but dishonouring was never my intention. Sorry if it looked that way. When Anne wrote "I just want to say that I am VERY much surprised how we react in general about Japanese MSX-developments.We don't, actually...;-)", I wanted to explain why it is too early to become all excited. "Wait and see" is exactly what I think is the best course of action. So I'll start now. Bye, Maarten MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
The problem was - i think - they expected a Japanese kind of fair (every group giving a short speech and demonstration) Maybe it's a good idea for the next fair to make a presentation room with a beamer and some chairs where groups can give presentations about their newest projects or maybe even seminars. Pierre MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
RE: What MSX really means
Indeed a good idea. -Original Message- From: Pierre Gielen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 July 2000 10:43 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: What MSX really means The problem was - i think - they expected a Japanese kind of fair (every group giving a short speech and demonstration) Maybe it's a good idea for the next fair to make a presentation room with a beamer and some chairs where groups can give presentations about their newest projects or maybe even seminars. Pierre MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
The problem was - i think - they expected a Japanese kind of fair (every group giving a short speech and demonstration) Maybe it's a good idea for the next fair to make a presentation room with a beamer and some chairs where groups can give presentations about their newest projects or maybe even seminars. Pierre -- During the marathon of Bussum 2000 there will be plenty of time to give speeches, presentations, info etc.. with an interested croud (isn't there Laurens??) Though a problem is that most of the visitors already leave before 4 o'clock.. About the attitude of European msx users..!! You don't have to be excited about this project yet, just show interest, so Ascii can see what (if they are busy) they are doing it for.. Mzl Chaos TwZ MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
Hey everybuddiez... During the marathon of Bussum 2000 there will be plenty of time to give speeches, presentations, info etc.. with an interested croud (isn't there Laurens??) Though a problem is that most of the visitors already leave before 4 o'clock.. I guess if you arrange some things (make a short list of what is going to happen and when), people might stay longer (The software-auctions we had on Tilburg were also great for keeping the visitors). I think if the Japanese were going to talk about a new MSX computer a lot of people would stay ;) About the attitude of European msx users..!! You don't have to be excited about this project yet, just show interest, so Ascii can see what (if they are busy) they are doing it for.. I can only agree with you on this one ;) Sander MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
The message that people in Europe (and how about the rest of the world, Brazil for example) are not really interested in news from Japan is however coming from one of the people on this list. He reacted to my original message by saying that people are not really interested in the kind of news from my original posting (what MSX stands for). And in the same message, he made the remark that it seems like people from Europe are in general not really interested in news from Japan. Yep, that was me... But if you look at this entire threat that spun off my original message, I would say that people are interested. They only do not always speak out their opinion, but sometimes suddenly everybody starts to talk, like this time. And that was exactly why I replied to your message in the first place. I was hoping to get a threat like this. It sometimes helps to say things a little bit more 'firm' then necessary...Learned it from Johan Cruyff.hehehe... Anne MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
First of all I would like to say that I truly hope there will be a new MSX. But in order to make a new MSX I think it is wise that groups work together to achieve this goal. Do you think Japanese companies have interest in the view of some small groups in Europe? I don't think so. Yes, Sunrise is very important for MSX, but it's just a group of amateurs, nothing more. The only thing that may interest e.i. ASCII is some hardwaredevelopments like ATA-IDE or Moonsound...Only to save the costs and use the schematics for their own development. Really, if there are companies in Japan interested in MSX again, they won't need our help... Anne MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Alex Wulms [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: dinsdag 4 juli 2000 1:11 Onderwerp: Re: What MSX really means The message that we don't care much is NOT coming from our Japanese friends. At least, I can not find that message anywhere in Ikeda's MSX print. He was only dissapointed that he could not spread the news on the fair and that on the fair there was not much time to discuss interesting things. But as one guy from Sunrise already said: after the fair they talked more with each other. That is how it works here in Europe. I quote from Ikeda's MSX Print: English: We had also hoped to interchange thoughts with Sunrise and Leonardo Padial from Spain about which kind of CPU and soundchip will be implemented and what kind of harddisk interface could be used best, but it seemed to us that they had very little interest in this new MSX project. Dutch: We hadden ook gehoopt om gedachten uit te wisselen met Sunrise en Leonardo Padial over wat voor soort CPU en geluidschip we zullen gebruiken en welke harddisk interface we het beste kunnen gebruiken, maar wij kregen de indruk dat zij weinig belangstelling hadden voor dit nieuwe MSX-project. So this points out that they did not really try to contact Sunrise and/or Padial about this. This fair was a good opportunity to contact important people from big MSX clubs. The only thing I saw in the room the Japanese stayed in was a letter from Kay Nishi and not more than that. Our Japanese friends could have tried to attract our attention by actually giving us the information that is now in Ikeda's Print. The message that people in Europe (and how about the rest of the world, Brazil for example) are not really interested in news from Japan is however coming from one of the people on this list. He reacted to my original message by saying that people are not really interested in the kind of news from my original posting (what MSX stands for). And in the same message, he made the remark that it seems like people from Europe are in general not really interested in news from Japan. I refer to the line in Ikeda's Print and not to the message you mention. But if you look at this entire threat that spun off my original message, I would say that people are interested. They only do not always speak out their opinion, but sometimes suddenly everybody starts to talk, like this time. Reactions from members of MSX-Info Blad clearly show that a lot of them are really interested in the MSX situation in Japan. However MSX people nowadays have an attitude to only believe this kind of news if something is shown to them. Furthermore, I think that the Japanese are doing their best to be open to Europe. At least, Ikeda is doing his best by making sure that we receive the MSX print with all new developments on a regular basis. I admire Ikeda's attempt to inform us. I hope that MSX-ers from Japan and Europe/Brazil will cooperate more in the future. Only then this new project will be a succes. For now I want to say this: MSX-ers from Japan, Europe is interested in your project, but please give us more information if you want us to cooperate or support with you. Greets, Gerrit MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Anne de Raad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: dinsdag 4 juli 2000 19:23 Onderwerp: Re: What MSX really means Do you think Japanese companies have interest in the view of some small groups in Europe? I don't think so. Yes, Sunrise is very important for MSX, but it's just a group of amateurs, nothing more. So are the people of ESE Artists Factory! The only thing that may interest e.i. ASCII is some hardwaredevelopments like ATA-IDE or Moonsound...Only to save the costs and use the schematics for their own development. Really, if there are companies in Japan interested in MSX again, they won't need our help... Then why coming to a Dutch fair and talk about Sunrise/ Padial not showing much interest? This does not make much sense. Anyway, this discussion ends here as far as I'm concerned. Let the Japanese show us what they are up to. For now I think we can better pay some interest to the new harware Padial has made for MSX. Gerrit MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
Then why coming to a Dutch fair and talk about Sunrise/ Padial not showing much interest? This does not make much sense. Anyway, this discussion ends here as far as I'm concerned. Let the Japanese show us what they are up to. For now I think we can better pay some interest to the new harware Padial has made for MSX. You're right, this disusscion could end here. I would like to add 2 things though. First, I have the feeling the Japanese themselves are not 'on one line' if it concerns these new MSX-developments. Secondly, they seem to be interested in Europe but I think only to get a complete 100% image on the global MSX-situation. I assure you, for the things they try to achieve, they don't need Europe. Anne p.s. I also think Japan overestimates Sunrise.Rob and his guyz are very cool, but if MSX gets serious again in Japan, they would need a stronger european partner...Rob would go nuts if he should carry this weight...I am not sure about this, but I thought Ikeda himself told me Sunrise isn't interested in new MSXThis would be a very wise decision MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
Well, it's also a little bit the other way around. And besides all that, the translations of Ikeda MSX print (or the original text) aren't always very clear. The article about the 'new MSX' was quite unclear (so I mean the JAPANESE version). I think the reason is, that it involved news that was already commonly known in Japan, whereas it was not in Europe. And in this way, it is not so easy to bring everyone up to date by writing an article with the length of Ikeda's. In Ikeda MSX print, for example, there is a line that says: "We had also hoped to interchange thoughts with Sunrise and Leonardo Padial from Spain about which kind of CPU and soundchip will be implemented and what kind of harddisk interface could be used best, but it seemed to us that they had very little interest in this new MSX project." But, if I remember correctly, some guy from Sunrise (sorry, I forgot your name) wrote that this wasn't correct: they spoke with the Japanse guys after the fair. Yes, they TRIED to, at least. I was with them to translate everything, but I have to agree that the Sunrise-crew didn't seem to be very keen on putting any effort in these negotiations. And about Padial - he just wanted to keep himself far from talking with Japanese people, or something like that. He, sort of, ran away from them. I could quite well understand why the Japanese felt a little confused, if not, insulted. Rieks. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
"straight" is actually Frontline - Ikeda - Rieks - mailinglist In other words, straight. Besides, as you might still remember, the Japanese came to the Tilburg-fair. Sander met them there and they told something about this new MSX project back then. And about Frontline Mailinglist etc., if it's an article that is translated, there is completely no loss of information. Besides, is a rumour more reliable if it comes from Japan? Please try to understand that things like this can't be simply done away as 'rumours'. Like I wrote in what you could almost call an essay before, it's somewhat insulting towards the Japanese. As for ASCII's involvement: Frontline has contacts with Kay Nishi. He is surely a very influential man, but it's not the same as the entire ASCII corporation backing this project. Note that it's Frontline making the announcements, not ASCII. Was it? Have you been to Japan? Have you read MSX Magazine (which is, after all, a publication of ASCII)? Rieks. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
On Tue, 04 Jul 2000, Rieks W. Torringa wrote: "straight" is actually Frontline - Ikeda - Rieks - mailinglist In other words, straight. Besides, as you might still remember, the Japanese came to the Tilburg-fair. Sander met them there and they told something about this new MSX project back then. And about Frontline Mailinglist etc., if it's an article that is translated, there is completely no loss of information. There is always some loss of information, an exact 1-on-1 translation is impossible between natural languages. You wrote yourself that the Japanese version was "quite unclear". The most important step is Frontline - Ikeda, this is a real transformation of information. But, since Ikeda seems quite close to Frontline, information loss may not be severe. Besides, is a rumour more reliable if it comes from Japan? Please try to understand that things like this can't be simply done away as 'rumours'. Like I wrote in what you could almost call an essay before, it's somewhat insulting towards the Japanese. I was repeating Sander's words: "This is the first new-MSX-rumour I heard that came straight from Japan, and ASCII is involved! Again: The Japanese are very serious." In my own text, I used the word "announcement", which I believe is correct. As for ASCII's involvement: Frontline has contacts with Kay Nishi. He is surely a very influential man, but it's not the same as the entire ASCII corporation backing this project. Note that it's Frontline making the announcements, not ASCII. Was it? Have you been to Japan? Have you read MSX Magazine (which is, after all, a publication of ASCII)? I haven't read MSX Magazine. Is there an announcement from ASCII in it? What is strange in my view, is that although there is much activity (announcements, ASCII-sponored MSX fair, MSX Magazine), there is still a lot of uncertainty about the part of the project that is most important: the machine itself. The availability of the VDP (clone) is still uncertain and it will be for some time: making V9958 in a DSP is not an easy job. Creating the specification is probably the largest part of the work: when writing code for an MSX emulator, finding out exactly how a real MSX does it often takes more time than implementing it. And there must also be a manufacturer that is willing to produce MSX machines. That company must be willing invest in an assembly line. I don't think ASCII will pay for everything, after all, they are a publishing company, not a computer manufacturer. Also, it's not clear what is exactly the goal of this project. Maybe this information is available only in Japanese, if so, please tell me. For example, Leonardo Padial's Z380 is intended to use as much of the Z380's features as possible. But to make that possible, only new programs can take advantage of the Z380, old programs don't run any faster. In contrast, the Z180 project of Ademir Carchano focuses on making existing programs run as fast as possible. That's why he chose Z180 instead of Z380. So I would be interested to know what is the main goal of the Frontline/ASCII project. Will it be new features, compatibility, low price or something else? And what is the intended audience? I don't think the existing MSX public will buy enough machines on its own (unless the new machine would be far superior to the turbo R). Do they aim at children who want to learn how to program? Do they aim at gamers who prefer 80's games to today's 3D stuff? Do they aim at hardware enthousiasts, who want to connect their home-made devices to their computer? These are important issues, which will influence both the design and the chances of finding a manufacturer. Bye, Maarten MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
RE: What MSX really means
Indeed a good idea. The problem was - i think - they expected a Japanese kind of fair (every group giving a short speech and demonstration) Maybe it's a good idea for the next fair to make a presentation room with a beamer and some chairs where groups can give presentations about their newest projects or maybe even seminars. Well, we´ve got this moment here in Brazil, in our meetings (Rio, Jau, Brasilia). And I think, Spanish users does it in their meetings too. Ricardo Jurczyk Pinheiro - ICQ UIN:3635907 - [EMAIL PROTECTED]|_Sola Scriptura | http://i.am/rjp -M.Sc. Numerical Modelling (hope so!) |_ Sola Gratia | UFF - Niteroi - RJ - Brazil - [EMAIL PROTECTED]_| Sola Fide | MSX, ST, B5, X-F, Anime, Christian, Maths, CuD, Linux!_| Solo Cristi | Christian, Rock, Comics, Transformers, and hate M$! | Soli Deo Gloria | MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
Hey, "straight" is actually Frontline - Ikeda - Rieks - mailinglist Ehm, no in fact this is Yokoi and Ikeda - Sander Besides, is a rumour more reliable if it comes from Japan? I think so, because (like I said before) the Japanese are a lot more serious about MSX than we are. Besides, this is as close to a new MSX as we ever are going to get, I guess... As for ASCII's involvement: Frontline has contacts with Kay Nishi. He is surely a very influential man, but it's not the same as the entire ASCII corporation backing this project. I know, and I also know that about 50% of ASCII is pro-MSX, and about 50% isn't. But as I understand, ASCII has given permission to Frontline to make a design for a new MSX, not only Kay Nishi. (I could be wrong on that one) Note that it's Frontline making the announcements, not ASCII. Greets, Sander MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
Do you think that you know what MSX stands for? It would surprise me if people have interest in this story, Alex... I posted a message about this subject some months ago in the newsgroup, quoting that MSX in fact means 'Matsushita Sony X-machine'...People didn't react at all...I think it's too far from their beds or something...The European people and esp. the Dutch don't react at all on Japanese MSX-news.Quite interesting, psychically spoken I thought that there was a quite heavy discussion on this topic some months ago??? Well, anyways, I don't know what to believe, so I'll stick to M$X. That's the way I have known it my whole life. The rumours about a new MSX in Japan are getting stronger every day and yes, you see some 'talk' about it in this mailinglist and the newsgroup, but you would expect it would get MUCH more attentionMaybe the 'technical' mailinglist talks more about this matter...I am not subscribed to that one, so I can't tell. I just want to say that I am VERY much surprised how we react in general about Japanese MSX-developments.We don't, actually...;-) They sound so unreal. 'New MSX by ASCII', etc. At the other hand, the biggest Japanese MSX fair was also sponsored by ASCII, wasn't it? ~Grauw -- email me: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or ICQ: 10196372 visit my homepage at http://grauw.blehq.org/ MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
'New MSX by ASCII', etc. At the other hand, the biggest Japanese MSX fair was also sponsored by ASCII, wasn't it? Yes it is and this year again. 20th of August in Tokyo: MSX Den-Yu Land 2000. See the site of AAM and/or www.msxmagazine.com. Last Saturday I already previewed the building, it is very easy to find. So, I will try to go there! Who else is?? (Except Javi! He will come!) Anyway, Mr. Nishi will be present again, just as some other guy from ASCII. Let's see what this fair brings... I hope some interesting stuff! Another thing: can anyone who has been in Tokyo tell me where I should go for MSX Stuff? I already tried Sofmap. In one 2nd hand computer Sofmap store, I saw a couple of MSXs... Some Panasonic (about 6800 Yen, I think) and Sony MSX2+ machines , some printers and even a Turbo-R ST (17800 Yen). Too bad I cannot take them with me. In other shops there were only thinks like external diskdrives, for gigantic prices (like a Sony external DD for 2 Yen or so). In one Sofmap store there was also a second-hand software section with 2 shelves of MSX ROMs and one table with some lost MSX ROMs. I bought some nice and cheap ones of course (Konami's Baseball (only ROM), Arkanoid 2 (only ROM), Genghis Khan (complete, anyone knows it?), Hole in One Special (complete), Samurai Goemon (complete) and another game of Microcabin/Systemsoft which I don't recognize. Seems to be some older version of Great Strategy. They did not really have amazing things there. There was also an FM-PAC, for 6000 Yen or so, Parodius (5000 Yen?), Salamander (4000 Yen?) and Penguin Adventure (also, many Yens). In some other shop I also found one MSX game: Nemesis, only cart. I tried to find more with my Japanese friend who knows Akihabara pretty well, but ... nothing. Does anyone have some hints? Best regards, Manuel --- PS: MSX 4 EVER! (Questions? See: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/) PPS: Visit my home page at http://bilderbeek.cjb.net/ MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
[About the meaning of MSX] -Sander B.T.W. MSX= Microsoft Sander's eXtension Hm... I wouldn't be too happy about that one ;-) (*shiver* microsoft extending me? never!) Eric MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Finding MSX software in Akihabara [Re: What MSX really means]
Hi, Yes it is and this year again. 20th of August in Tokyo: MSX Den-Yu Land 2000. See the site of AAM and/or www.msxmagazine.com. Last Saturday I already previewed the building, it is very easy to find. So, I will try to go there! Who else is?? (Except Javi! He will come!) I don't know if Bernard Lamers is still in Japan, but he attended last year. So I guess he'll be there if he can. I tried to find more with my Japanese friend who knows Akihabara pretty well, but ... nothing. Does anyone have some hints? When I was in Japan about a year ago it was the same situation. The shop with the 2 shelves of software regularly adds new games/software so keep an eye on it. On the other side of the street there's a shop (don't know the name) that had some exclusives like AGE (Dot Designers, well the drawing program by TE-soft anyway :)) Couldn't resist buying that one :) Have fun! Greetz, Collin MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: Finding MSX software in Akihabara [Re: What MSX really means]
On Mon, 3 Jul 2000, Collin van Ginkel wrote: I tried to find more with my Japanese friend who knows Akihabara pretty well, but ... nothing. Does anyone have some hints? When I was in Japan about a year ago it was the same situation. The shop with the 2 shelves of software regularly adds new games/software so keep an eye on it. On the other side of the street there's a shop (don't know the name) that had some exclusives like AGE (Dot Designers, well the drawing program by TE-soft anyway :)) Couldn't resist buying that one :) Hmmm... I guess I'll have to save more money than I expected, because I'm going to buy almost anything I see with the MSX logo on it. :) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.aamsx.org MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
I must react on my own message: It looks that I put asside the other hardware projects around MSX, like the Z380 Brazillian. This is because I am not a programmer (bit Basic that's all), not a Drawer or Music maker, but just an ordenairy home user with interest in a simple to use computer on an ordenary TV (Lot of fun, playing on that big 72 CM screen) I think that is it with most people who don't react on tech-talk. That is the problem with most MSX projects: they float on programmers and hardware wizzards. Hans-Peter - Original Message - From: Hans-Peter Zeedijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 03, 2000 12:37 PM Subject: Re: What MSX really means About that new MSX and other tech-talk. I think a lot of people read it and are interested, but don't feel the need to react. In my case, all the mail I get from the list I scan and somtimes read more carefull, but the times I have replied or send to the list you can count on two hands over the last couple of years. It doesn't mean that MSX is no interest to me anymore. In fact: IF THAT NEW MSX COMES, I WIL BUY IT, WHATEVER IT COSTS! Hans-Peter MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
Hans-Peter Zeedijk wrote: I must react on my own message: It looks that I put asside the other hardware projects around MSX, like the Z380 Brazillian. This is because I Hm, actually there are two projects: the Spanish Z380 one, by Leonardo Padial, and the Brazilian Z180 one, by Ademir Carchano. They don't share the same focus, though. Maybe the Russians have another project -- they usually have "something else". `:)) am not a programmer (bit Basic that's all), not a Drawer or Music maker, but just an ordenairy home user with interest in a simple to use computer on an ordenary TV (Lot of fun, playing on that big 72 CM screen) I think that is it with most people who don't react on tech-talk. That is the problem with most MSX projects: they float on programmers and hardware wizzards. Yup. As an "user", I know how you feel and I try not to be too away from tech talk, because it's a way to tell programmers and hardware makers what we, users, would like to have. :) []s, -Parn (ICQ#1693182) /| | | |\ \| ___ |/ http://parn.cjb.net/ \/ - \/ Parn's Music Station | | Game Music XMs and more! -- --Izati Aba Mehinam Eto Kafe Nan MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
is no interest to me anymore. In fact: IF THAT NEW MSX COMES, I WIL BUY IT, WHATEVER IT COSTS! I think you'll be one of the few who will buy it at any cost. IMHO a new MSX should cost no more than EUR 500 (twice the cost of a PS2, half the cost of a PC). Pierre MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
Can you give an example other than the Frontline/ASCII project? For instance, the Japanese MSX MAGAZINE, which had his last issue back in 1992 has made a restart. Vol. 2 is almost done and I myself have vol. 1 (a gift from Yokoi/Ikeda/Pen). Again with ASCII being involved. I have read almost nothing about this...Or have we talked about this? Then I missed it... Anne MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
At 23:13 2-7-00 +0200, Anne de Raad wrote: Do you think that you know what MSX stands for? It would surprise me if people have interest in this story, Alex... I posted a message about this subject some months ago in the newsgroup, quoting that MSX in fact means 'Matsushita Sony X-machine'...People didn't react at all...I think it's too far from their beds or something...The European people and esp. the Dutch don't react at all on Japanese MSX-news.Quite interesting, psychically spoken The rumours about a new MSX in Japan are getting stronger every day and yes, you see some 'talk' about it in this mailinglist and the newsgroup, but you would expect it would get MUCH more attentionMaybe the 'technical' mailinglist talks more about this matter...I am not subscribed to that one, so I can't tell. I just want to say that I am VERY much surprised how we react in general about Japanese MSX-developments.We don't, actually...;-) Anne Indeed Anne, Look at the reaction from Ikeda when i said his story was amazing : AMAZING STORY !! i really thought MSX was Microsoft Extended Basic. Yes, I know that European MSXer belive that.. MSX is mean of Micro Soft eXtended Basic. But I have a question. Where do you get this "mean of MSX"? I know that often European MSXer made some imitation news of MSX. i.e.1)Lap top MSX Panasonic isn't make Laptop MSX. i.e.2)FS-VW30WSX Panasonic isn't make this strange MSX2+. i.e.3)MSX Turbo-R FS-A1ST and GT are "MSXturboR", not "Turbo-R". IF you can't belive my write, you can cheak "turboR" logo on your FS-A1ST or FS-A1GT. Already, Nishi announcement mean of "MSX". And Nishi wrote it on a few his book. IF your friend can translarte it, I can send it. Why European MSXer don't belive *TRUE* information? mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (=IIkeda) grtz arjan MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Sander Zuidema [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: maandag 3 juli 2000 0:21 Onderwerp: Re: What MSX really means That's not the worst thing. The main reason why the Japanese went to Tilburg was making contacts and looking for people who could help with the development of the new MSX. (Sunrise Swiss, Padial,...) Sure they made mistakes, but they did not know what to expect at all in Holland, let alone WHO to contact. As far as I know, the Japanese know who the leading MSX groups in Europe are, so that's not the problem. At least Kuniji Ikeda knows all important leading MSX figures in Europe. Some people from different MSX groups told us that they did not talk with Padial or Sunrise about this new MSX at all. If they want to discuss a new MSX then they should contact the leading groups and not keep silent and tell us that Europe is not interested! Nobody reacted, nobody helps (yet), and every hardware-developer continues with his own MSX-4/whatever project without even considering the possibility of helping with the official project (keeping MSX a standard, you know) Mind that it is pretty sure that Panasonic will produce the new MSX, as well as an 'S'-company like (I am very serious about this) Sony, Sega, Sanyo, Sharp or Samsung You say that it is pretty sure. Where did you get this information from? From Panasonic? I can hear you all thinking: Sony?? Sega?? But what about PS2 and Dreamcast? But remember that all Japanese take MSX very seriously, and they are all aware that a home-computer is absolutely not the same thing as a gameconsole. (And, off course the fact that nothing is certain yet ;) The same goes for the 'just-another-new-MSX-rumour'-attitude. This is the first new-MSX-rumour I heard that came straight from Japan, and ASCII is involved! Again: The Japanese are very serious. ASCII is involved you say. In what way? ASCII simply telling a MSX club that they have permission to design a new MSX is not the kind of involvement that would lead to a new MSX in my opinion. It only shows that ASCII is not likely to spend much money on development costs for this new computer. If they really want to make a new MSX then they should give Panasonic or Sony permission to design one. Fortunately, there are a lot of active MSX-users that ARE interested in the Japanese news, so there is hope... Most of us are interested but the Japanese will have to get a bit more open to us if they are REALLY serious about discussing a new standard. If not then most people will stay sceptic. Gerrit van den Berg MSX-Info Blad MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
Hey, As far as I know, the Japanese know who the leading MSX groups in Europe are, so that's not the problem. At least Kuniji Ikeda knows all important leading MSX figures in Europe. Some people from different MSX groups told us that they did not talk with Padial or Sunrise about this new MSX at all. If they want to discuss a new MSX then they should contact the leading groups and not keep silent and tell us that Europe is not interested! The problem was - i think - they expected a Japanese kind of fair (every group giving a short speech and demonstration) and they wanted to hold a speech about the new MSX plans, which could not be held. Besides, Ikeda may have mailed with a lot of active MSX users, but he didn't know what they looked like, and could not really talk with anyone without the help of Rieks (who, by the way, did a great job for about 2 days!!) You say that it is pretty sure. Where did you get this information from? From Panasonic? I guess you read the MSX print, and like I said. The Japanese are not playing games. ASCII is involved you say. In what way? ASCII simply telling a MSX club that they have permission to design a new MSX is not the kind of involvement that would lead to a new MSX in my opinion. It only shows that ASCII is not likely to spend much money on development costs for this new computer. If they really want to make a new MSX then they should give Panasonic or Sony permission to design one. Would you invest time and money in a new MSX design? Probably not. But since last year ASCII is again sponsoring MSX-magazine and MSX-fairs. Also, on their japanese site, a lot of MSX-books are for sale (at least I think they are) They don't do that just for fun I guess. Business is business. I hope there is new information soon, but there is not much to tell yet. ASCII has not announced officialy yet that there will be a new MSX, but there is a good chance they will do that at DEN-YU-LAND 2000 (the fair sponsored by ASCII) Most of us are interested but the Japanese will have to get a bit more open to us if they are REALLY serious about discussing a new standard. If not then most people will stay sceptic. I do my best to get as much information out of Japan as I can (and a lot of other people are, also I guess). I think there will not be many news if ASCII doesn't announce the new MSX project officialy. Until then we will not certainly know if it's for real or not, and which brands are involved with the production. I think it's best to show the Japanese that we are happy there is something going on in Japan. It will certainly not help the project yf we don't show any interest at all, I think. I heard stories (Anne, can you verify this one for me?) that MicroCabin once wanted to translate some Cabins to English and sell them in Europe, but nobody seemed to be interested. I think this situation is similar: We all would be happy if it (had) happened. Greetz, Sander MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
I heard stories (Anne, can you verify this one for me?) that MicroCabin once wanted to translate some Cabins to English and sell them in Europe, but nobody seemed to be interested. Yes, this is true, Microcabin showed interest in the European market. So did i.e. Hertz (Hydefos, PsychoWorld)This was in the period when we as Flying Bytes sold a lot of European products in Japan using the TAKERU-system. In those days, we had some interesting contacts with some 'major' developers for MSX. Microcabin was one of them...We told them not to go on with it, though...The market was no longer there in Europe at that time... For what concerns the new MSX. The japanese visitors to Tilburg2000 spent the night before the fair at my place. I together with Rieks were the first persons to hear Yokoi's story about this new MSX (also for Ikeda this was new). As far as I understood Yokoi well, this new MSX is just a matter of time. It is about 100% official there WILL be a new MSX on the market. Strange thing is though that it will be a computer like the turboR..But with some more RAM and some other minor developments. I discussed with Rieks already that this 'new' MSX should bring much more then what Yokoi told us. It won't impress you guys at all!! It still is an MSX. In Japan, they seem to think REAL different. They see MSX as a computer which is easy to use and to program...They think even in these days, people want such a machine...I have my doubts, but that's what they say in Japan... Something about that PS2...YES, that indeed is almost a homecomputer and I am VERY happy with that...It has a CPU and a VIDEOchip which are not to be replaced. This means we can measure certain achievements on the system again. It is not a matter of putting a better graphics card and I can show more then others. It becomes again a matter of programming...Maybe the days of impressive demos, games are near again!! I am sure that if the PS2 is being sold together with some EASY to use OS, I WILL try and program things for this system. It seems very cool to me Anne MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
Hi, About the new Japanese MSX standard, it would be great if it is really true! I heard stories (Anne, can you verify this one for me?) that MicroCabin once wanted to translate some Cabins to English and sell them in Europe, but nobody seemed to be interested. I think this situation is similar: We all would be happy if it (had) happened. I think it was MSX-Engine that had contact with MicroCabin about that. But Engine had to take like 300 copies of the game, and that was a bit too much. Correct me if I'm wrong! Greetz, Collin MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Sander Zuidema [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: maandag 3 juli 2000 21:28 Onderwerp: Re: What MSX really means Hi, First of all I would like to say that I truly hope there will be a new MSX. But in order to make a new MSX I think it is wise that groups work together to achieve this goal. And that cooperation is zero point zero now, because somehow the Japanese got the impression that the Europeans are not very interested in their project. How did they get that impression if they did not talk this over with the big clubs (Sunrise/Padial/Hnostar)? The problem was - i think - they expected a Japanese kind of fair (every group giving a short speech and demonstration) and they wanted to hold a speech about the new MSX plans, which could not be held. I think the point is that most of them cannot understand English and that they need someone to speak for them. Anyway they could have asked the organisation what kind of fair Tilburg is like before jumping into a plane to Holland. That would have saved a lot of troubles. Besides, Ikeda may have mailed with a lot of active MSX users, but he didn't know what they looked like, and could not really talk with anyone without the help of Rieks (who, by the way, did a great job for about 2 days!!) This still is no excuse to tell that Europeans are not interested in a new MSX or that we are not willing to discuss about a new computer based on the MSX standard. If they want contact with European groups then they have to take the initiative to let us know what their plans are. Problem is that we did NOT know about their plans. That was my main point. I guess you read the MSX print, and like I said. The Japanese are not playing games. Of course not, but I think it is not wise to spread news that is very vage. Mentioning big company's is not very smart in this stage. The main part of the message is a "maybe" and I specifically mean the Yamaha VDP part. Would you invest time and money in a new MSX design? Probably not. So what makes you think ASCII is involved in it then? I do not own a lot of money, but if for instance Sunrise get permission to make a new MSX then who is taking the initiative, Sunrise or ASCII? But since last year ASCII is again sponsoring MSX-magazine and MSX-fairs. Also, on their japanese site, a lot of MSX-books are for sale (at least I think they are) They don't do that just for fun I guess. Hmm, it would be nice if they gave us the sourcecode of MSXDOS2 so that we can make a new and better DOS for MSX. Business is business. I hope there is new information soon, but there is not much to tell yet. ASCII has not announced officialy yet that there will be a new MSX, but there is a good chance they will do that at DEN-YU-LAND 2000 (the fair sponsored by ASCII) I hope they do. I do my best to get as much information out of Japan as I can (and a lot of other people are, also I guess). I think there will not be many news if ASCII doesn't announce the new MSX project officialy. Until then we will not certainly know if it's for real or not, and which brands are involved with the production. I think it's best to show the Japanese that we are happy there is something going on in Japan. It will certainly not help the project yf we don't show any interest at all, I think. We are interested and most clubs are willing to help I think. Telling us that we don't care much is not really the way to make us enthousiastic. I think most groups now want to know if our opinion really counts. That's also the reason why Rob Hiep reacted to this MSX Print. Sunrise is doing a lot for MSX and somebody saying that they do not care for a new MSX is not what motivates people. I heard stories (Anne, can you verify this one for me?) that MicroCabin once wanted to translate some Cabins to English and sell them in Europe, but nobody seemed to be interested. I think this situation is similar: We all would be happy if it (had) happened. Different situation and different times. I hope this project will be a succes, but as said before cooperation is necessary! Time will reveal all. Greets, Gerrit MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
] Would you invest time and money in a new MSX design? Probably not. ] But since last year ASCII is again sponsoring MSX-magazine and MSX-fairs. And ABN-AMRO bank sponsors Ajax (the soccer team of Amsterdam, for the non-dutch). But that does not mean that ABN-AMRO bank is going to setup a soccer team or going to be involved in soccer in any other way... Nevertheless. All news coming from Japan is always very interesting and I really hope that Ascii, Panasonic or some other company is going to produce a new MSX. Kind regards, Alex ulms -- Visit The MSX Plaza (http://www.inter.nl.net/users/A.P.Wulms) for info on XelaSoft, Merlasoft, Quadrivium, XSA Disk images, the MSX Hardware list, SD-Snatcher on fMSX, documentation and lots more. MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
] We are interested and most clubs are willing to help I think. Telling us ] that we don't care much is not really the way to make us enthousiastic. I The message that we don't care much is NOT coming from our Japanese friends. At least, I can not find that message anywhere in Ikeda's MSX print. He was only dissapointed that he could not spread the news on the fair and that on the fair there was not much time to discuss interesting things. But as one guy from Sunrise already said: after the fair they talked more with each other. That is how it works here in Europe. The message that people in Europe (and how about the rest of the world, Brazil for example) are not really interested in news from Japan is however coming from one of the people on this list. He reacted to my original message by saying that people are not really interested in the kind of news from my original posting (what MSX stands for). And in the same message, he made the remark that it seems like people from Europe are in general not really interested in news from Japan. But if you look at this entire threat that spun off my original message, I would say that people are interested. They only do not always speak out their opinion, but sometimes suddenly everybody starts to talk, like this time. Furthermore, I think that the Japanese are doing their best to be open to Europe. At least, Ikeda is doing his best by making sure that we receive the MSX print with all new developments on a regular basis. Kind regards, Alex Wulms -- Visit The MSX Plaza (http://www.inter.nl.net/users/A.P.Wulms) for info on XelaSoft, Merlasoft, Quadrivium, XSA Disk images, the MSX Hardware list, SD-Snatcher on fMSX, documentation and lots more. MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
Anne de Raad wrote: It would surprise me if people have interest in this story, Alex... I posted a message about this subject some months ago in the newsgroup, quoting that MSX in fact means 'Matsushita Sony X-machine'...People didn't react at all...I think it's too far from their beds or something...The European people and esp. the Dutch don't react at all on Japanese MSX-news.Quite interesting, psychically spoken Maybe people only don't react to the newsgroup... :) []s, -Parn (ICQ#1693182) /| | | |\ \| ___ |/ http://parn.cjb.net/ \/ - \/ Parn's Music Station | | Game Music XMs and more! -- --Izati Aba Mehinam Eto Kafe Nan MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
Do you think that you know what MSX stands for? It would surprise me if people have interest in this story, Alex... I posted a message about this subject some months ago in the newsgroup, quoting that MSX in fact means 'Matsushita Sony X-machine'...People didn't react at all...I think it's too far from their beds or something...The European people and esp. the Dutch don't react at all on Japanese MSX-news.Quite interesting, psychically spoken The rumours about a new MSX in Japan are getting stronger every day and yes, you see some 'talk' about it in this mailinglist and the newsgroup, but you would expect it would get MUCH more attentionMaybe the 'technical' mailinglist talks more about this matter...I am not subscribed to that one, so I can't tell. I just want to say that I am VERY much surprised how we react in general about Japanese MSX-developments.We don't, actually...;-) Anne MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
RE: What MSX really means (technical Mailinglist)
Do you think that you know what MSX stands for? (...) The rumours about a new MSX in Japan are getting stronger every day and yes, you see some 'talk' about it in this mailinglist and the newsgroup, but you would expect it would get MUCH more attentionMaybe the 'technical' mailinglist talks more about this matter...I am not subscribed to that one, what is this "technical mailinglist"? Have you got the "address" to subscribe to? thank you... ,-._,-. \/)"(\/ Marc Vallribera Ros '2000 (_o_) / \/) http://personal3.iddeo.es/marcus/ (|| ||) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] oo-ooICQ# 15587783 MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
I just want to say that I am VERY much surprised how we react in general about Japanese MSX-developments.We don't, actually...;-) That's not the worst thing. The main reason why the Japanese went to Tilburg was making contacts and looking for people who could help with the development of the new MSX. (Sunrise Swiss, Padial,...) Sure they made mistakes, but they did not know what to expect at all in Holland, let alone WHO to contact. Nobody reacted, nobody helps (yet), and every hardware-developer continues with his own MSX-4/whatever project without even considering the possibility of helping with the official project (keeping MSX a standard, you know) Mind that it is pretty sure that Panasonic will produce the new MSX, as well as an 'S'-company like (I am very serious about this) Sony, Sega, Sanyo, Sharp or Samsung I can hear you all thinking: Sony?? Sega?? But what about PS2 and Dreamcast? But remember that all Japanese take MSX very seriously, and they are all aware that a home-computer is absolutely not the same thing as a gameconsole. (And, off course the fact that nothing is certain yet ;) The same goes for the 'just-another-new-MSX-rumour'-attitude. This is the first new-MSX-rumour I heard that came straight from Japan, and ASCII is involved! Again: The Japanese are very serious. This is the way I look at it. Fortunately, there are a lot of active MSX-users that ARE interested in the Japanese news, so there is hope... Sander 'back on the track' Zuidema MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
Do you think that you know what MSX stands for? It would surprise me if people have interest in this story, Alex... I posted a message about this subject some months ago in the newsgroup, quoting that MSX in fact means 'Matsushita Sony X-machine'...People didn't react at all...I think it's too far from their beds or something...The European people and esp. the Dutch don't react at all on Japanese MSX-news.Quite interesting, psychically spoken Well, it's also a little bit the other way around. And besides all that, the translations of Ikeda MSX print (or the original text) aren't always very clear. Furthermore, only a few people have good contacts with Japanese MSX users. The spread the news, but often not on this mailinglist. So, when you actually hear some news, it's news that past a lot of people, and often it's not completely correct when most Dutch or English speaking people hear it. In Ikeda MSX print, for example, there is a line that says: "We had also hoped to interchange thoughts with Sunrise and Leonardo Padial from Spain about which kind of CPU and soundchip will be implemented and what kind of harddisk interface could be used best, but it seemed to us that they had very little interest in this new MSX project." But, if I remember correctly, some guy from Sunrise (sorry, I forgot your name) wrote that this wasn't correct: they spoke with the Japanse guys after the fair. Furthermore, I've mailed a contact working with ASCII, and he says ASCII isn't involved in any new MSX development, and never will. However, ASCII didn't reply my question if some Japanse usergroup is busy with developing a new MSX and if ASCII has given them the rights to do so. So let's hope for the best. I would be nice however, If some English speaking Japanese MSX user joined this mailinglist to provide us with up to date news about the MSX situation in Japan. Then nobody on this list has to wonder what's really going on there. And about the rest: You can't blame us for being sceptic. I remember some promises companies made in the past about developing a new european MSX2+ computer. I haven't seen that one yet ;-) Hmm, MSX Basic booting with copyright 2000 by ASCII. Would be nice though ;-) -Sander B.T.W. MSX= Microsoft Sander's eXtension MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: What MSX really means
On Sun, 02 Jul 2000, Anne de Raad wrote: The rumours about a new MSX in Japan are getting stronger every day and yes, you see some 'talk' about it in this mailinglist and the newsgroup, but you would expect it would get MUCH more attention You're referring to the Frontline/ASCII project, right? There was some discussion about the announcement a couple of weeks ago. But there is not really that much to discuss. We'll just have to wait and see if it will become reality or not. Personally, I'm quite skeptical about this project. Maybe the 'technical' mailinglist talks more about this matter...I am not subscribed to that one, so I can't tell. You mean the Phoenix list? I just want to say that I am VERY much surprised how we react in general about Japanese MSX-developments.We don't, actually...;-) Can you give an example other than the Frontline/ASCII project? Bye, Maarten MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
What MSX really means
Dear all, Do you think that you know what MSX stands for? Then visit the MSX Plaza and read the june 22 edition of MSX Print from Mr. Ikeda (in section Documentation - Japanese MSX news by Ikeda) to completely revise your opinion. Kind regards, Alex Wulms -- Visit The MSX Plaza (http://www.inter.nl.net/users/A.P.Wulms) for info on XelaSoft, Merlasoft, Quadrivium, XSA Disk images, the MSX Hardware list, SD-Snatcher on fMSX, documentation and lots more. MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
