Re: PGP/GPG

[Sean Rima]

Hi Eric!

> ... [ Deletia ]
> 
> > > Then you know wrong.
> > > 
> > > GPG is quite content with PGP5 messages out of the box.  For PGP2 (ie,
> > > RSA/IDEA), you can download and install the correct modules for GPG and
> > > it will be glad to work with those.  (Though it will probably refuse to
> > > accept some keys that are not self-signed, since PGP2 allowed creation
> > > of such, but then such keys are not secure anyway, and people shouldn't
> > > trust them.)
> > > 
> > 
> > I have never got a PGP 5 sig to work with GPG. But then maybe it has
> > something to do with the fact that they keys are no self signed.
> > 
> > Sean
> > 
> 
> Please see my posting of 5 minutes ago to get RSA working.  You do
> bring up a good point, though.  GPG will *not* use an unsigned key.

Got it and sorted.

> You'll see output like the following:
> 
> [-- PGP output follows (current time: Mon Nov 22 16:54:17 1999) --]
> gpg: Signature made Wed Aug 11 11:36:48 1999 MDT using RSA key ID 98645519
> gpg: requesting key 98645519 from pgp5.ai.mit.edu ...
> gpg: public key is 43099 seconds newer than the signature
> gpg: key 98645519: invalid self-signature
> gpg: public key is 43476 seconds newer than the signature
> gpg: key 98645519: invalid self-signature
> gpg: key 98645519: no valid user IDs
> gpg: this may be caused by a missing self-signature
> gpg: Total number processed: 1
> gpg:   w/o user IDs: 1
> gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found
> [-- End of PGP output --]
> 
> e.
> 
> P.S.
> Jeremy, you should sign your key.  ;-)
> 

I got around it by manually importing Jeremy's pgp key :)

Sean

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Re: PGP/GPG

[Sean Rima]

Hi Mutt!

On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Sean Rima wrote:

> Anyone know of a way to have a hook so that Mutt locads the necessary
> gpg.rc/pgp.rc depending on who the message is from.
> 
> Sean

Thanks to everyone who came forward with suggestions, I now have GPG working
for PGP 2 and 5 keys.

Thanks :)

Sean

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Re: PGP/GPG

[Sean Rima]

Hi Rob!

On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Rob Reid wrote:

> At  3:54 PM EST on November 22 Sean Rima sent off:
> > > Why not have one gpg (or pgp) config file for all correspondents?
> > > 
> > The problem is the fact that there are a few people on the Mutt list who use
> > PGP2 and PGP5. These keys are not able to be used in GPG AFAIK.
> 
> Ah but they are!  Look for RSA, etc, plugins in the contrib directory of
> gnupg's ftp server.  It's up to you to decide whether or not to use them.
> 
You are correct, installed and working :)

Sean

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Re: PGP/GPG

[Brendan Cully]

On Monday, 22 November 1999 at 23:04, Sean Rima wrote:
> Hi A!
> 
> On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, A Guy Called Tyketto wrote:
> > 
> > There's two ways to do this.
> > 
> > First, to solve the receiving part, on your end. grab the rsa.c 
> > program that's on the GnuPG FTP site (ftp.gnupg.org:/pub/gcrypt/contrib). That 
> > will allow you to use GnuPG, to decrypt keys signed by PGP2 (which uses RSA). 
> > With that, there is also an option that you can pass to GnuPG, that could sign 
> > with an RSA key, that PGP2 would be able to understand. PGP5 should have no 
> > problem with GnuPG, for sending or receiving. But, that extension for RSA 
> > saved me a lot of trouble with GnuPG. Try it.
> > 
> 
> I grabbed rsa.c and idea.c and compiled and put to the lib directory. I then
> tried a couple of archived messages available but still it says the
> encryption is unknown. One did say about Not being a self signed sig.

you still have to add a line or two to ~/.gnupg/options:

load-extension rsa
load-extension idea

FWIW I can verify PGP2 signatures just fine now, although I'm not
generating PGP2 compatible signatures. I think Gero's gpg2comp script
will do this for you - just use the gpgrc in the contrib directory.
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Re: PGP/GPG

[brian moore]

On Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 04:04:50PM -0600, David DeSimone wrote:
> Sean Rima <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > The problem is the fact that there are a few people on the Mutt list
> > who use PGP2 and PGP5.  These keys are not able to be used in GPG
> > AFAIK.
> 
> >From what I have read, GPG can be configured or built with external
> module support, so that it can read and use these RSA and IDEA based
> message formats.
> 
> However, I haven't really found any good instructions for building such
> a version of GPG.  There are some nice files in the "contrib" directory,
> but I don't know how to put them together to make it work.

Most likely in /usr/lib/gnupg, or perhaps /usr/local/lib/gnupg.

To ~/.gnupg/options, add:
load-extension rsaref
load-extension idea

(or just plain rsa if that's legal where you are -- it's not in the US.)

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Re: PGP/GPG

[Jan-Benedict Glaw]

On Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 11:04:26PM +, Sean Rima wrote:
> Hi A!
> 
> On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, A Guy Called Tyketto wrote:
> 
> > > > Why not have one gpg (or pgp) config file for all correspondents?
> > > > 
> > > The problem is the fact that there are a few people on the Mutt list who use
> > > PGP2 and PGP5. These keys are not able to be used in GPG AFAIK. I have both
> > > GPG and PGP to get around this but would like to be able to set Mutt to
> > > choice the correct encryption tool depending on who the message is from
> > > 
> > > Sean
> > 
> > There's two ways to do this.
> > 
> > First, to solve the receiving part, on your end. grab the rsa.c 
> > program that's on the GnuPG FTP site (ftp.gnupg.org:/pub/gcrypt/contrib). That 
> > will allow you to use GnuPG, to decrypt keys signed by PGP2 (which uses RSA). 
> > With that, there is also an option that you can pass to GnuPG, that could sign 
> > with an RSA key, that PGP2 would be able to understand. PGP5 should have no 
> > problem with GnuPG, for sending or receiving. But, that extension for RSA 
> > saved me a lot of trouble with GnuPG. Try it.
> > 
> 
> I grabbed rsa.c and idea.c and compiled and put to the lib directory. I then
> tried a couple of archived messages available but still it says the
> encryption is unknown. One did say about Not being a self signed sig.

Extend your ~/.gnupg/options file to contain:

load-extension /usr/lib/gnupg/rsa
load-extension /usr/lib/gnupg/idea

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Re: PGP/GPG

[Eric Brunson]

* Sean Rima ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [991123 00:16]:
> Hi A!
> 

[ Deletia ]

> 
> I grabbed rsa.c and idea.c and compiled and put to the lib directory. I then
> tried a couple of archived messages available but still it says the
> encryption is unknown. One did say about Not being a self signed sig.
> 
> Sean

Put:

load-extension rsa
load-extension idea

into your .gnupg/options file.


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Re: PGP/GPG

[David Ellement]

On 991122, at 22:38:21, Sean Rima wrote:
> I have never got a PGP 5 sig to work with GPG. But then maybe it has
> something to do with the fact that they keys are no self signed.

It is possible to import keys without self signatures using the gpg
option --allow-non-selfsigned-uid.

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Re: PGP/GPG

[Eric Brunson]

* Sean Rima ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [991122 23:50]:
> Hi brian!
> 
> On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, brian moore wrote:

... [ Deletia ]

> > Then you know wrong.
> > 
> > GPG is quite content with PGP5 messages out of the box.  For PGP2 (ie,
> > RSA/IDEA), you can download and install the correct modules for GPG and
> > it will be glad to work with those.  (Though it will probably refuse to
> > accept some keys that are not self-signed, since PGP2 allowed creation
> > of such, but then such keys are not secure anyway, and people shouldn't
> > trust them.)
> > 
> 
> I have never got a PGP 5 sig to work with GPG. But then maybe it has
> something to do with the fact that they keys are no self signed.
> 
> Sean
> 

Please see my posting of 5 minutes ago to get RSA working.  You do
bring up a good point, though.  GPG will *not* use an unsigned key.

You'll see output like the following:

[-- PGP output follows (current time: Mon Nov 22 16:54:17 1999) --]
gpg: Signature made Wed Aug 11 11:36:48 1999 MDT using RSA key ID 98645519
gpg: requesting key 98645519 from pgp5.ai.mit.edu ...
gpg: public key is 43099 seconds newer than the signature
gpg: key 98645519: invalid self-signature
gpg: public key is 43476 seconds newer than the signature
gpg: key 98645519: invalid self-signature
gpg: key 98645519: no valid user IDs
gpg: this may be caused by a missing self-signature
gpg: Total number processed: 1
gpg:   w/o user IDs: 1
gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found
[-- End of PGP output --]

e.

P.S.
Jeremy, you should sign your key.  ;-)

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Re: PGP/GPG

[Sean Rima]

Hi David!

On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, David DeSimone wrote:

> Sean Rima <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > The problem is the fact that there are a few people on the Mutt list
> > who use PGP2 and PGP5.  These keys are not able to be used in GPG
> > AFAIK.
> 
> >From what I have read, GPG can be configured or built with external
> module support, so that it can read and use these RSA and IDEA based
> message formats.
> 
> However, I haven't really found any good instructions for building such
> a version of GPG.  There are some nice files in the "contrib" directory,
> but I don't know how to put them together to make it work.
> 

I just subscribe to the gpg users mailing list so I will attempt to find out.

Sean

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Re: PGP/GPG

[Eric Brunson]

* David DeSimone ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [991122 23:31]:
> Sean Rima <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > The problem is the fact that there are a few people on the Mutt list
> > who use PGP2 and PGP5.  These keys are not able to be used in GPG
> > AFAIK.
> 
> >From what I have read, GPG can be configured or built with external
> module support, so that it can read and use these RSA and IDEA based
> message formats.
> 
> However, I haven't really found any good instructions for building such
> a version of GPG.  There are some nice files in the "contrib" directory,
> but I don't know how to put them together to make it work.
> 

In the .c file are the instructions to compile the module:

 gcc -Wall -O2 -shared -fPIC -o rsa rsa.c

Put the resulting file, "rsa" into the correct directory, on my system
it is "/usr/local/lib/gnupg".

Add the line "load-extension rsa" to your .gnupg/options file.

That's it, you're finished.

The idea and skipjack modules are installed similarly.

One note:  If you're using Solaris, you can't use GNU ld and as, you
must use the ones in /usr/ccs/bin.

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Re: PGP/GPG

[Bennett Todd]

1999-11-22-17:04:50 David DeSimone:
> From what I have read, GPG can be configured or built with external
> module support, so that it can read and use these RSA and IDEA based
> message formats.
> 
> However, I haven't really found any good instructions for building such
> a version of GPG.  There are some nice files in the "contrib" directory,
> but I don't know how to put them together to make it work.

Something like

wget ftp://ftp.gnupg.org/pub/gcrypt/contrib/idea.c
wget ftp://ftp.gnupg.org/pub/gcrypt/contrib/rsa.c
gcc -Wall -O2 -shared -fPIC -o /usr/lib/gnupg/idea idea.c
gcc -Wall -O2 -shared -fPIC -o /usr/lib/gnupg/rsa rsa.c

then in your .gnupg/options add a couple of lines like

load-extension idea
load-extension rsa

/usr/lib/gnupg may be wrong for your install. As a hint, I'd expect the
directory would be named gnupg, and a straight install of gnupg-1.0 ought to
have added files like "rndegd", "rndunix", and "tiger" there already.

-Bennett

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Re: Changing IMAP username on same IMAP server

[Tommi Komulainen]

On Wed, Nov 17, 1999 at 10:02:22AM +, Chris Green wrote:

> I have two IMAP accounts on the same IMAP4 server, how can I tell
> mutt to change from one to the other?  If I just source a file which
> does a 'set imap_user=' mutt doesn't seem to know
> anything has changed.  The IMAP server is the same so the $folder and
> $spoolfile names are unchanged (so is the password for that matter!).

I think that currently the only way to use different username on the same 
server would be to run another instance of mutt.

Just out of curiosity, why are you using two mail accounts? Wouldn't it 
be easier to have the other account forward all the mail to the other, and 
have it drop mails in different folders with procmail?

Anyway, I just posted a patch to add this feature to mutt-dev. It should 
be in the CVS shortly.


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Re: PGP/GPG

[Sean Rima]

Hi A!

On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, A Guy Called Tyketto wrote:

> > > Why not have one gpg (or pgp) config file for all correspondents?
> > > 
> > The problem is the fact that there are a few people on the Mutt list who use
> > PGP2 and PGP5. These keys are not able to be used in GPG AFAIK. I have both
> > GPG and PGP to get around this but would like to be able to set Mutt to
> > choice the correct encryption tool depending on who the message is from
> > 
> > Sean
> 
>   There's two ways to do this.
> 
>   First, to solve the receiving part, on your end. grab the rsa.c 
> program that's on the GnuPG FTP site (ftp.gnupg.org:/pub/gcrypt/contrib). That 
> will allow you to use GnuPG, to decrypt keys signed by PGP2 (which uses RSA). 
> With that, there is also an option that you can pass to GnuPG, that could sign 
> with an RSA key, that PGP2 would be able to understand. PGP5 should have no 
> problem with GnuPG, for sending or receiving. But, that extension for RSA 
> saved me a lot of trouble with GnuPG. Try it.
> 

I grabbed rsa.c and idea.c and compiled and put to the lib directory. I then
tried a couple of archived messages available but still it says the
encryption is unknown. One did say about Not being a self signed sig.

Sean

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Re: PGP/GPG

[Sean Rima]

Hi brian!

On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, brian moore wrote:

> > > > Anyone know of a way to have a hook so that Mutt locads the necessary
> > > > gpg.rc/pgp.rc depending on who the message is from.
> > > 
> > > I use one .gnupg/options regardless of who the message is run, and always use
> > > gpg. I'm pretty sure I don't understand what you're asking for.
> > > 
> > > Why not have one gpg (or pgp) config file for all correspondents?
> > > 
> > The problem is the fact that there are a few people on the Mutt list who use
> > PGP2 and PGP5. These keys are not able to be used in GPG AFAIK. I have both
> > GPG and PGP to get around this but would like to be able to set Mutt to
> > choice the correct encryption tool depending on who the message is from
> 
> Then you know wrong.
> 
> GPG is quite content with PGP5 messages out of the box.  For PGP2 (ie,
> RSA/IDEA), you can download and install the correct modules for GPG and
> it will be glad to work with those.  (Though it will probably refuse to
> accept some keys that are not self-signed, since PGP2 allowed creation
> of such, but then such keys are not secure anyway, and people shouldn't
> trust them.)
> 

I have never got a PGP 5 sig to work with GPG. But then maybe it has
something to do with the fact that they keys are no self signed.

Sean

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Re: PGP/GPG

[David DeSimone]

Sean Rima <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The problem is the fact that there are a few people on the Mutt list
> who use PGP2 and PGP5.  These keys are not able to be used in GPG
> AFAIK.

>From what I have read, GPG can be configured or built with external
module support, so that it can read and use these RSA and IDEA based
message formats.

However, I haven't really found any good instructions for building such
a version of GPG.  There are some nice files in the "contrib" directory,
but I don't know how to put them together to make it work.

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Re: PGP/GPG

[Bennett Todd]

1999-11-22-15:54:23 Sean Rima:
> The problem is the fact that there are a few people on the Mutt list who use
> PGP2 and PGP5. These keys are not able to be used in GPG AFAIK.

I'm pretty sure that's not the case.

If anybody is using patented algorithms that aren't supported in the core
gpg release, and you can't get 'em to switch to free algorithms, and you
want to process their pgp sigs/signing/whatever, download the appropriate
contrib modules to add support for those algorithms. You may be in violation
of patents for doing so, but then you'd probably be violating those same
patents to use any other free implementation. I believe ths source url for
these gizmos is ftp://ftp.gnupg.org/pub/gcrypt/contrib/>. I imagine if
you pull idea.c and rsa.c that should pretty well cover it; does anybody
actually use skipjack for anything?

-Bennett

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Re: Re: Aliases in Mutt

[Pieter Wenk]

On lun, 22 nov 1999, Sebastian Helms wrote:

Hallo Sebastian

>># Persönliches Adressbuch 
>>source ~/.mutt/aliases
>>
>># Persönliche save-, send-, mbox- hooks etc.  
>>source ~/.mutt/personal
>>
>
>You jave to add the line
>
>alias_file=~/.mutt/aliases

I added the above to my .muttrc. 


>to your .muttrc, so mutt known where to _write_ the aliases you define
>from within mutt.
>
>Did you have a look at ·/.mutt/aliases, just to check if the alias in
>question is defined there ?

Yes I hae a file aliases in which I do have already quite a few. 
Hitting "a" allows to write an aliase...but I was till now
unable to use them.

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Re: PGP/GPG

[A Guy Called Tyketto]

On Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 08:54:23PM +, Sean Rima wrote:
> > 
> > Why not have one gpg (or pgp) config file for all correspondents?
> > 
> The problem is the fact that there are a few people on the Mutt list who use
> PGP2 and PGP5. These keys are not able to be used in GPG AFAIK. I have both
> GPG and PGP to get around this but would like to be able to set Mutt to
> choice the correct encryption tool depending on who the message is from
> 
> Sean

There's two ways to do this.

First, to solve the receiving part, on your end. grab the rsa.c 
program that's on the GnuPG FTP site (ftp.gnupg.org:/pub/gcrypt/contrib). That 
will allow you to use GnuPG, to decrypt keys signed by PGP2 (which uses RSA). 
With that, there is also an option that you can pass to GnuPG, that could sign 
with an RSA key, that PGP2 would be able to understand. PGP5 should have no 
problem with GnuPG, for sending or receiving. But, that extension for RSA 
saved me a lot of trouble with GnuPG. Try it.

BL.
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Re: PGP/GPG

[Rob Reid]

At  3:54 PM EST on November 22 Sean Rima sent off:
> > Why not have one gpg (or pgp) config file for all correspondents?
> > 
> The problem is the fact that there are a few people on the Mutt list who use
> PGP2 and PGP5. These keys are not able to be used in GPG AFAIK.

Ah but they are!  Look for RSA, etc, plugins in the contrib directory of
gnupg's ftp server.  It's up to you to decide whether or not to use them.

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Re: PGP/GPG

[brian moore]

On Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 08:54:23PM +, Sean Rima wrote:
> Hi Bennett!
> 
> On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Bennett Todd wrote:
> 
> > 1999-11-22-14:28:52 Sean Rima:
> > > Anyone know of a way to have a hook so that Mutt locads the necessary
> > > gpg.rc/pgp.rc depending on who the message is from.
> > 
> > I use one .gnupg/options regardless of who the message is run, and always use
> > gpg. I'm pretty sure I don't understand what you're asking for.
> > 
> > Why not have one gpg (or pgp) config file for all correspondents?
> > 
> The problem is the fact that there are a few people on the Mutt list who use
> PGP2 and PGP5. These keys are not able to be used in GPG AFAIK. I have both
> GPG and PGP to get around this but would like to be able to set Mutt to
> choice the correct encryption tool depending on who the message is from

Then you know wrong.

GPG is quite content with PGP5 messages out of the box.  For PGP2 (ie,
RSA/IDEA), you can download and install the correct modules for GPG and
it will be glad to work with those.  (Though it will probably refuse to
accept some keys that are not self-signed, since PGP2 allowed creation
of such, but then such keys are not secure anyway, and people shouldn't
trust them.)

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Re: PGP/GPG

[Lars Hecking]

> > Why not have one gpg (or pgp) config file for all correspondents?
> > 
> The problem is the fact that there are a few people on the Mutt list who use
> PGP2 and PGP5. These keys are not able to be used in GPG AFAIK. I have both
> GPG and PGP to get around this but would like to be able to set Mutt to
> choice the correct encryption tool depending on who the message is from

 This is the single biggest reason why I haven't switched over to
 gpg yet. Problem is, there's bucketloads of information about
 pgp/gpg interoperability, but I haven't found the time yet to
 put all the pieces together. Maybe I should _really_ look at
 Gero's scripts now ...

Re: Bug! (Re: Bug/Missing feat: Replying to non-existant mails)

[Vincent Lefevre]

On Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 21:38:20 +0100, Sven Guckes wrote:
> Lookss like mutt-1.0 does not check whether the folder
> has changed when it had opened it in read-only mode.

I noticed a similar problem a few months ago. It is still there.
Change the status of some messages (e.g. flag them). Modify the
folder (in my case, I execute a script that adds an In-Reply-To
line, because some broken mailers don't generate one) and reopen
the folder --> it is completely corrupted and some data are lost.

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Re: PGP/GPG

[Sean Rima]

Hi Bennett!

On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Bennett Todd wrote:

> 1999-11-22-14:28:52 Sean Rima:
> > Anyone know of a way to have a hook so that Mutt locads the necessary
> > gpg.rc/pgp.rc depending on who the message is from.
> 
> I use one .gnupg/options regardless of who the message is run, and always use
> gpg. I'm pretty sure I don't understand what you're asking for.
> 
> Why not have one gpg (or pgp) config file for all correspondents?
> 
The problem is the fact that there are a few people on the Mutt list who use
PGP2 and PGP5. These keys are not able to be used in GPG AFAIK. I have both
GPG and PGP to get around this but would like to be able to set Mutt to
choice the correct encryption tool depending on who the message is from

Sean

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threading & msgs with bad dates

[brd]

I've come to love sort=threads.  I leave sort_aux at date-sent.
I've noticed that even though they have the same subject, though, a reply
that comes with a date-sent that shows a time before the original message
(from someone who's time is off on their pc) does not get included as
part of the thread.  Any way to change this in the listing (besides
the obvious get the user to fix their time)?  Doesn't have to be in the
right order, but I'd at least like it to be seen as part of the thread,
so I can collapse it.

Thanks,
Brian
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Bug! (Re: Bug/Missing feat: Replying to non-existant mails)

[Sven Guckes]

* Johannes Teveßen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [991120 11:04]:
> I usually have several mutts open, sometimes two on the
> same mbox, but always only one in read-write mode.
> 
> Now if I have mutt A opened read/write on a box and B
> opened read-only on that box, select a mail in B for
> reading, mark it for deletion and purge it in A and
> then try to make a reply in B on that mail, the editor
> is opened, Subject: etc. are set, but
> there is no quoted text in the editor.
> 
> Mutt shouldn't let the user reply to a mail
> that has already been removed, should it?

I've just tried this with mutt-1.1.1 - same effect.
Mutt pokes somewhere into the folder for quoting.  :-(
Lookss like mutt-1.0 does not check whether the folder
has changed when it had opened it in read-only mode.
BUG!

Sven

Re: PGP/GPG

[Bennett Todd]

1999-11-22-14:28:52 Sean Rima:
> Anyone know of a way to have a hook so that Mutt locads the necessary
> gpg.rc/pgp.rc depending on who the message is from.

I use one .gnupg/options regardless of who the message is run, and always use
gpg. I'm pretty sure I don't understand what you're asking for.

Why not have one gpg (or pgp) config file for all correspondents?

-Bennett

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PGP/GPG

[Sean Rima]

Anyone know of a way to have a hook so that Mutt locads the necessary
gpg.rc/pgp.rc depending on who the message is from.

Sean
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Re: mutt like elm (once again)

[Sven Guckes]

* Daniel J. Wharton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [991119 22:46]:
> I was wondering if there is anyway to change the layout of mutt a little?
> The president of the company is an ELM user,
> and I am going to switch him over to MUTT.

Wait until Jan 1st 2000.  Elm should probably collapse.
Show him that elm bellyflops - but mutt still works.
Then let him choose...

> Also, is there a way to put a space between the top bar
> and the first message when in the message index?

Yes - change the code.

(Mutt users dont need no steenkeen
 empty lines on their screen.)

> I also didn't notice a key binding setting for Abort.
> It is currently "q", but I would like to change it to "f."

bind index f quit

Note that this overrides the default for
'f' being bound to "forward-message"...

Sven

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Re: alias use while creating note -> add aliased to header

[Sven Guckes]

* Subba Rao ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [991122 19:22]:
> I have "set edit_hdrs", which allows me to edit my headers.
> I have "set askcc" too. If I decide to Cc someone WHILE typing the note,
> can I add the alias in the Cc field, or do I have to type the FQA?

Mutt checks the header for unexpanded aliases after you exit the editor.
So, yes, you can add your alias to address lines in the header
(To:, Cc:, Bcc:, Reply-To:), and mutt will expand them.  :-)

Sven  [header editing *rules*!]

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alias use while creating note

[Subba Rao]

I have "set edit_hdrs", which allows me to edit my headers.
I have "set askcc" too. If I decide to Cc, someone WHILE typing the note,
can I add the alias in the Cc field, or do I have to type the FQA?

I hope this is clear. Thank you in advance.

Subba Rao
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http://pws.prserv.net/truemax/

Re: encrypting mail messages

[Jeremy Blosser]

Bennett Todd [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> 1999-11-22-05:47:43 Sebastian Helms:
> > Hm, do you want to encrypt it to yourself ? Then you would do it with
> > your public key.
> 
> I at least like to make sure everything I encrypt is encrypted to myself, as
> well as to the recipient, so I can still read or use my file copy of the
> message. Remember, with PGP and kin (I use GnuPG) you can encrypt to multiple
> recipients; there's a seperate copy of the per-message randomly-generated
> symmetric key attached to the message for each recipient, encrypted with
> that recipient's public key.

The point Mr. Helms was making is that the original poster asked how to
encrypt it with his *private* key.  This would of course make it so that
anyone with his public key could read the message, and is probably not what
he meant.  It's just a misunderstanding of how PGP works.

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Re: encrypting mail messages

[Bennett Todd]

1999-11-22-05:47:43 Sebastian Helms:
> Hm, do you want to encrypt it to yourself ? Then you would do it with
> your public key.

I at least like to make sure everything I encrypt is encrypted to myself, as
well as to the recipient, so I can still read or use my file copy of the
message. Remember, with PGP and kin (I use GnuPG) you can encrypt to multiple
recipients; there's a seperate copy of the per-message randomly-generated
symmetric key attached to the message for each recipient, encrypted with
that recipient's public key.

> Or do you want to sign the message, which is in fact encrypting it with your
> provate key. Then you should just choose (p)gp - (s)ign message ;-)

Actually, no, signing isn't the same as encrypting; signing consists of
encrypting a message digest (crypto hash, like e.g. MD5, SHA1, RIPEMD160) with
your private key. I have mutt and gpg set up to sign all my email --- like
this one --- but I only encrypt when corresponding with someone with whom I've
exchanged keys.

-Bennett

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Re: encrypting mail messages

[Bennett Todd]

1999-11-22-05:36:20 Martin Schröder:
> On 1999-11-22 17:18:26 +1100, Shao Zhang wrote:
> > In mutt, I can encrypt a message using the receipt's public key.  But
> > if I also want to encrypt the mail using my private key, how do I do
> > this?
> 
> RTFM mutt: pgp_encryptself
> RTFM pgp: EncryptToSelf

And if you are using gpg, you could do it by adding

encrypt-to your-key-id

in your ~/.gnupg/options file.

-Bennett

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Manual: PGP variables need sorting!

[Sven Guckes]

* Martin Schröder ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [991122 10:43]:
> On 1999-11-22 17:18:26 +1100, Shao Zhang wrote:
> > In mutt, I can encrypt a message using the receipt's public key.
> > But if I also want to encrypt the mail using my private key, how
> > do I do this?
> RTFM mutt: pgp_encryptself

:set ?pgp_encryptself
pgp_encryptself: unknown variable
;-)

Btw, the variables in the manual.txt
are quite out-of-order.  :-(
Can anyone fix this?

"links" to related variables would be a plus.

Sven

===
$ grep '6.*p..g..p.._' manual.txt

  6.3.94.   pgp_autosign
  6.3.95.   pgp_autoencrypt
  6.3.96.   pgp_entry_format
  6.3.97.   pgp_long_ids
  6.3.98.   pgp_replyencrypt
  6.3.99.   pgp_replysign
  6.3.100.  pgp_replysignencrypted
  6.3.101.  pgp_retainable_sigs
  6.3.102.  pgp_show_unusable
  6.3.103.  pgp_sign_as
  6.3.104.  pgp_sign_micalg
  6.3.105.  pgp_strict_enc
  6.3.106.  pgp_timeout
  6.3.107.  pgp_verify_sig
  6.3.108.  pgp_sort_keys
  6.3.109.  pgp_create_traditional
  6.3.110.  pgp_decode_command
  6.3.111.  pgp_getkeys_command
  6.3.112.  pgp_verify_command
  6.3.113.  pgp_decrypt_command
  6.3.114.  pgp_clearsign_command
  6.3.115.  pgp_sign_command
  6.3.116.  pgp_encrypt_sign_command
  6.3.117.  pgp_encrypt_only_command
  6.3.118.  pgp_import_command
  6.3.119.  pgp_export_command
  6.3.120.  pgp_verify_key_command
  6.3.121.  pgp_list_secring_command
  6.3.122.  pgp_list_pubring_command

=== Sorted List:
  6.3.95.   pgp_autoencrypt
  6.3.94.   pgp_autosign
  6.3.96.   pgp_entry_format
  6.3.97.   pgp_long_ids
  6.3.98.   pgp_replyencrypt
  6.3.99.   pgp_replysign
  6.3.114.  pgp_clearsign_command
  6.3.109.  pgp_create_traditional
  6.3.110.  pgp_decode_command
  6.3.113.  pgp_decrypt_command
  6.3.117.  pgp_encrypt_only_command
  6.3.116.  pgp_encrypt_sign_command
  6.3.119.  pgp_export_command
  6.3.111.  pgp_getkeys_command
  6.3.118.  pgp_import_command
  6.3.122.  pgp_list_pubring_command
  6.3.121.  pgp_list_secring_command
  6.3.100.  pgp_replysignencrypted
  6.3.101.  pgp_retainable_sigs
  6.3.102.  pgp_show_unusable
  6.3.103.  pgp_sign_as
  6.3.115.  pgp_sign_command
  6.3.104.  pgp_sign_micalg
  6.3.108.  pgp_sort_keys
  6.3.105.  pgp_strict_enc
  6.3.106.  pgp_timeout
  6.3.112.  pgp_verify_command
  6.3.120.  pgp_verify_key_command
  6.3.107.  pgp_verify_sig
===

Re: Status flags in 1.1.1

[Sven Guckes]

* Jeremy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [991121 08:46]:
> I just upgraded to 1.1.1.  Previously, if a mail contained attachments
> (which require mailcap to view) they would have an M next to them in
> the index, with the status flags.  They don't anymore.  Is this a bug?

Feature.

> It's still in the documentation.

Docs need update!

Sven

Re: Aliases in Mutt

[Sebastian Helms]

Hi Pieter,

On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Pieter Wenk wrote:
>I have a mutt "folder" in which for reasons of convinience
>I have separated a few things.
>
>In my .muttrc I have the following entries:
>
># Persönliches Adressbuch 
>source ~/.mutt/aliases
>
># Persönliche save-, send-, mbox- hooks etc.  
>source ~/.mutt/personal
>

You jave to add the line

alias_file=~/.mutt/aliases

to your .muttrc, so mutt known where to _write_ the aliases you define
from within mutt.

Did you have a look at ·/.mutt/aliases, just to check if the alias in
question is defined there ?

Regards,

Sebastian

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Re: encrypting mail messages

[Sebastian Helms]

Hi,

On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Shao Zhang wrote:
>   In mutt, I can encrypt a message using the receipt's public key.
>   But if I also want to encrypt the mail using my private key, how
>   do I do this?

Hm, do you want to encrypt it to yourself ? Then you would do it with
your public key. Or do you want to sign the message, which is in fact
encrypting it with your provate key. Then you should just choose (p)gp -
(s)ign message ;-)

Regards,

Sebastian

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Re: encrypting mail messages

[Martin Schröder]

On 1999-11-22 17:18:26 +1100, Shao Zhang wrote:
>   In mutt, I can encrypt a message using the receipt's public key.
>   But if I also want to encrypt the mail using my private key, how
>   do I do this?

RTFM mutt: pgp_encryptself
RTFM pgp: EncryptToSelf

Best regards
   Martin
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Re: Base64 iso-8859-1

[Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS]

> I get mail from someone using Netscape who sends me mutipart mail. I can
> view the html part fine but the text/plain section seems to be under base64
> encoding.
> 
> How do I get mutt to view it as plain chars instead of hi-ascii chars.

It sounds like the MIME-headers were messed up during quoting or
forwarding, or something like that. If you know a bit about MIME you
could copy the message into a temporary mailbox and edit that mailbox
with emacs to add or correct the headers by hand. Or just pipe the
message into mimencode -u and hope for the best.

Edmund