Re: Reply to all???
On Mon, Jun 26, 2000 at 07:07:47PM -0700, Gary Johnson wrote: :On Mon, Jun 26, 2000 at 06:23:04PM -0700, Jason Helfman wrote: : : How would I go about replying to all : :Use 'g': : :group-replyreply to all recipients Mutt's group-reply is not the same thing as "reply to all". Mutt implements the former by putting the sender's address into the "To:" header, then takes all other addresses and puts them into the "Cc:" header. Most other email clients that implements the latter do so by putting all addresses into the "To:" header. Mutt has no built-in function to do the latter. You can fake a "reply to all" function by doing a group-reply, then quit your editor, then hit 'E' to edit your message including headers, then manually move the "Cc:" addresses to the "To:" addresses. -- Eugene Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reply to all???
it worked when I tried it. I press g and it automically had your email and the user list -- -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: GnuPG v1.0.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org mQGiBDlYQxYRBACHDSw/JNcmvvZeQQMKq954FHbiyJHyNZ+clwwdFPzIOsxiq3AW r5T1Xk2mPYqF8cQEqUQME8jHGaBUf2ty+zn+C/2In80LzZ3KslY839wRWS0ICbbI rgdEPhBpWL75k+tInP4A5v3zluN4nt6a1/z1GMJXkG9sV1zDg+MY3YMDowCgi++u acxq/0LuNjs6wSTodfXB2CcD/3KDUuqujB6LLwCgXSB+9125UYAQSYklG11hyQ2r 9buRUBXWoMYhxTUEa6PqGzLZOkIVKbYFfufZZVg08HIpOKEcUclM6H9eRHenGBvH UM2f8hpoDg//MfF23lJn805rYa8sLWw6gyJaf62Feln2saUNLOg91ZIi2B7wqDfd jivNA/4x5xWHp5zVS7AoiM9z+x05x8MFAYYOgusm3LxwJ+rbdJdpjBIkCH//gVM1 BM8xP+pYZi6ZKROP8flwnMw7thO5rMHiXNKUS12O3/TRFbPW5XkIMqm5acpmnfnz P8B3Bvj2Mk79ZV/pgJP9uSxmCcqWSM9qqEzUBukzRobSFTkdEbQsSnVhbiBBLiBV cmliZSAoRT1tKmNeMikgPHVyaWJlQGZsYXNoY29tLm5ldD6IWwQTEQIAGwUCOVhD FgUJAeEzgAMLCgMDFQMCAxYCAQIXgAAKCRDOiYR3stUzVQqUAJ9RuqKhG/pOUK6g 4ZuSJDPcWQ0O6gCfSwugDM1yJ4nM48VyPKj4Lb38fGy5Ag0EOVhDvRAIAPZnG934 YPEtm8jktQRNfvTOnKrxnrEkSXIrC5XwwYVdX9gbFp9+GIEKhsZw4YkxzybOj0rY MtgrhlE8wXA7r0FsjcWn9ic0PVa5w5I0QqCEJ3MdbG+kmtABbfMtyEShcxvSyXcH nC+2ZCrCb23SORQMPtytoLIesMeXbpNGjUTnFHw5c/zuDqj4ZJIUK4x9kg7iJB7E e0xwUpJbR08DP8iN6m0VQD9VZ4UgeISuXG6w5JcHusraKuNi0ST9Ck2QD8tOtRoG oAN3l5cb5+VEVEcHGdQHUJT0R7SUVkV8YHMvlc22Ykg4Ftf1F8mb/mN/04ABZQ3w 7fjwrtyYn4oN3P8ABAsIAMthC0WV28BMw7gKqHDCMuuaAk4JmS14yT3h6Gpilrha XhRRLc0t5ZfZmAoJ+vA8ZrXhJykBJQSg6XPsZ7XVOm9grFq2viPUYV6fb4dQnh6t 6S07kpW1x2JIWTkxA/i4As+FDLzBtWu9DXds7EtBPzd41hSwe5g7LOZGV5QYhdov X5tqZuT0Sxntsuh4U1DxCjvVujuJ9L4fDvNqKrGRDqgzaOuv47zUGz35zrLH1quT FjSlojuElepbfWcxCtQr/VL6vHX1ggE/3SXt5cApYNzveRq98bicLKJMuI1k9/6y Q8NIhCbu0cmD2nRGTAh+t3XqMpEUBpKW5C/iTcSy/byITAQYEQIADAUCOVhDvQUJ AeEzgAAKCRDOiYR3stUzVQPJAJwL+nNNnBdQQcvbDa6bO1A/ZcvLpgCdGe6XuIm+ DZF0qQF6DVTFKNCampo= =gask -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- PGP signature
RE: Reply to all???
Because it's simple yet non-intutive? I would think that if 'r' is reply then 'R' should be group reply because it's the greater reply. This is very comon function people use often and it suprises them when it fails to work. The suprise is what makes it a FAQ item. Something you expect to be complex people will spend more time with. A coffee shop I go to had a lever as a door knob. You pushed it down to open the door. One day it broke and the repair was done wrong resulting in having to pull up the lever to open the door. People could not figure this out. It was great fun. People would push down, it wouldn't work, and they would be dumbfounded. Even after the shop posted signs the assumtion that the door was broken continued stop people from reading the sign. Any way what I'm suggesting is this is not a FAQ item but rather a design flaw. Cheers Andrew -Original Message- From: Jeremy Blosser [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 9:42 PM To: MUTT Users Subject: Re: Reply to all??? How would I go about replying to all Why the heck is this becoming a FAQ? Doesn't anyone RTFM anymore? -- Jeremy Blosser | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://jblosser.firinn.org/ -+-+-- the crises posed a question / just beneath the skin the virtue in my veins replied / that quitters never win
Unwanted PGP key added ?!?
Hi, I just looked at the message sent from "fman [EMAIL PROTECTED]" to this list (Subject: Re: Reply to all???). fman included a gpg public key as his(?) signature. Whilst I _suspect_ this might breach the acceptable number of line for a .sig, the stranger thing is that when I viewed the message the key was AUTOMATICALLY added to my pgp keyring. Is this usual behaviour? I have not noticed keys being added automatically to my keyring before... Mutt 1.0.1i (2000-01-18) System: OSF1 V4.0 Compile options: -DOMAIN -HOMESPOOL -USE_SETGID +USE_DOTLOCK +USE_FCNTL -USE_FLOCK -USE_IMAP -USE_POP +HAVE_REGCOMP -USE_GNU_REGEX +HAVE_COLOR +HAVE_PGP5 +HAVE_PGP2 -BUFFY_SIZE -EXACT_ADDRESS +ENABLE_NLS +COMPRESSED Cheers, S. -- "Theory!" he said. "Theory! Damned important, that. You set a technician on a problem. He'll fool around. Waste lifetimes. Get nowhere. Just putter about at random. A true scientist works with theory. Lets math solve his problems." -- Not Final! Isaac Asimov PGP signature
Re: URL viewing problem
On Mon, Jun 26, 2000 at 06:40:31PM -0700, Dale Morris wrote:
When I try to open an email in html I receive the following:
[dlm@dhcp232 dlm]$ mutt
sh: syntax error near unexpected token `openURL(''
sh: -c: line 1: `netscape -remote openURL('/tmp/muttnbn5pN')'
Press any key to continue...
Press any key to continue...
sh: syntax error near unexpected token `openURL(''
sh: -c: line 1: `netscape -remote openURL('/tmp/muttKfxnYE')'
Press any key to continue...
here's a copy of my .mailcap file. any suggestions? Thanks in advance
text/html; netscape -remote openURL\(%s\)
try this instead :
text/html; netscape -remote 'openURL(%s)'
Best regards,
Antoine
Re: Reply to all???
How would I go about replying to all Why the heck is this becoming a FAQ? Doesn't anyone RTFM anymore? Because it's simple yet non-intutive? It depends where you're coming from. I used elm for years before mutt. It seems blindingly obvious to me that 'g' is for 'group reply' -- because that's how elm did it :) I have a theory about most people's use of the word 'intuitive'. I don't think it means 'obvious' at all. I think it means 'the most similar to the first interface I learned to use well'. Now, if I were a refugee from one of the MS mailers, or Lotus Notes, I'd probably think the bottom of the email is the right place to put quoted material, too, and wonder why the heck mutt persisted in not doing that for me :) But because I came from elm, 'g' is quite obviously for 'group-reply' :) Telsa
Re: Weird ... collapsed thread mode ...
* David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mon, Jun 26, 2000 at 10:25:22AM -0400) Gerhard -- ...and then Gerhard den Hollander said... % folder-hook muttusers 'set sort=threads; push collapse-all' % now when Im reading such a folder, and new mail comes in (which trhoiugh % the blessings of UUCP comes in batches) it is shown threaded, but with % threades expanded (not collapsed) .. Yep; when a message is added to a collapsed thread, it opens up that thread. If messages are added to multiple threads, then each of those threads is opened up, as you might imagine. So this is a feature ? Considering mutt is really customisable, can I turn it off ? (apart from hacking the source to get it in there that is ;) ) You can get back to where you were with esc-V esc-V (yes, do it twice), Yup, that does the trick as well, thanks ;) It's (as I said) absolutely not serious or fatal or whatever .. it's just weird ;) esp. with high-volume mailing lists, that deal with some topics Im very interested in, and other topics Im absolutwely not interested in, the collapsed thread view is perfect Gerhard, [@jasongeo.com] == The Acoustic Motorbiker == -- __O I spoke about wings ... You just flew =`\, I wondered, I guessed and I tried ... You just knew (=)/(=) I sighed ... And you swooned I saw the crescent ... You saw the whole of the moon
Re: Reply to all???
Eugene Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Mon, 26 Jun 2000: Mutt's group-reply is not the same thing as "reply to all". Mutt implements the former by putting the sender's address into the "To:" header, then takes all other addresses and puts them into the "Cc:" header. Most other email clients that implements the latter do so by putting all addresses into the "To:" header. Mutt has no built-in function to do the latter. I've yet to see any reason why splitting the addresses between To/Cc would be undesireable, or why it wouldn't be "reply to all". Although the latter is a matter of definition, if you define "reply to all" so that all the recipients are listed in the To header, then yes what Mutt does is not a that. But for me, "reply to all" means that when I reply to the message, it goes to everyone (except me). I don't particularly care if the addresses are in the To or Cc header, it will get delivered either way. What is nice about Mutt separating addresses between To/Cc is that you can use this knowledge at a later stage, if you want to edit the recipient list -- eg. if you do a group-reply, but then later decide that it should be just a normal reply to author, you can just erase all of the Cc list. Simpler than trying to figure out which of the To addresses was the one who sent you the email, and then removing the rest. Mikko -- // Mikko Hänninen, aka. Wizzu // [EMAIL PROTECTED] // http://www.iki.fi/wiz/ // The Corrs list maintainer // net.freak // DALnet IRC operator / // Interests: roleplaying, Linux, the Net, fantasy scifi, the Corrs / "No more, no more a life without meaning..." -- The Corrs
typos in docs?
There are a few parts of the manual that list a "sort oder"? :) -- Eugene Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Weird ... collapsed thread mode ...
Gerhard -- ...and then Gerhard den Hollander said... % * David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mon, Jun 26, 2000 at 10:25:22AM -0400) % Gerhard -- % % ...and then Gerhard den Hollander said... % % % folder-hook muttusers 'set sort=threads; push collapse-all' % % % threades expanded (not collapsed) .. % % Yep; when a message is added to a collapsed thread, it opens up that % thread. If messages are added to multiple threads, then each of those % threads is opened up, as you might imagine. % % So this is a feature ? I guess you could call it that :-) % Considering mutt is really customisable, can I turn it off ? % (apart from hacking the source to get it in there that is ;) ) I haven't seen a way to do this, so I think you're on your own. Perhaps you could create a feature patch ;-) % % % You can get back to where you were with esc-V esc-V (yes, do it twice), % % Yup, that does the trick as well, thanks ;) Great! % % It's (as I said) absolutely not serious or fatal or whatever .. it's just % weird ;) % % esp. with high-volume mailing lists, that deal with some topics Im very % interested in, and other topics Im absolutwely not interested in, the % collapsed thread view is perfect Yeah. Like mutt-users recently, for instance :-) % % % % Gerhard, [@jasongeo.com] == The Acoustic Motorbiker == % -- %__O I spoke about wings ... You just flew % =`\, I wondered, I guessed and I tried ... You just knew % (=)/(=) I sighed ... And you swooned % I saw the crescent ... You saw the whole of the moon :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bigfoot.com/~davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! The "new millennium" starts at the beginning of 2001. There was no year 0. Note: If bigfoot.com gives you fits, try sector13.org in its place. *sigh* PGP signature
Re: PGP problems
Shane, et al -- ...and then Shane Wegner said... % % The Application/PGP format is very close to that used by Outlook. The Well, that's a good start :-) % following is a bit of MUTT output. % % Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] % Mime-Version: 1.0 % Content-Type: application/pgp; x-action=encrypt; format=text % Content-Disposition: inline; filename="msg.pgp" % User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i % Organization: Continuum Systems, Vancouver, Canada % % -BEGIN PGP MESSAGE- % % The only difference between that and Outlook is that Outlook doesn't have a % Content-Disposition header. Therefore, I am trying to remove it in Mutt. Have you tried a "my_hdr Content-Disposition: " to set it to null, which ought to make it go away? It's a thought... :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bigfoot.com/~davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! The "new millennium" starts at the beginning of 2001. There was no year 0. Note: If bigfoot.com gives you fits, try sector13.org in its place. *sigh* PGP signature
Re: Reply to all???
Eugene, et al -- ...and then Eugene Lee said... % % You can fake a "reply to all" function by doing a group-reply, then quit % your editor, then hit 'E' to edit your message including headers, then % manually move the "Cc:" addresses to the "To:" addresses. ... by simply replacing the "Cc" with "To" and letting mutt rebuild the To: line for you, if you're lazy like me :-) % % -- % Eugene Lee % [EMAIL PROTECTED] :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bigfoot.com/~davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! The "new millennium" starts at the beginning of 2001. There was no year 0. Note: If bigfoot.com gives you fits, try sector13.org in its place. *sigh* PGP signature
Re: PGP problems
* David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] [000627 19:50]: % * David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] [000627 19:27]: % % The Application/PGP format is very close to that used by Outlook. The % Well, that's a good start :-) % Yup, somehow Outlook only understands plain text in PGP.. Plain text? Does that mean like an old-style in-line signing, or that base64 and maybe even QP are not supported? Something like that... I've tried sending all sorts of messages to my outlook mailbox and all I got is silly attachments which I have to work great lengths to get any legible text out of it.. I had thought that it was the former, but your message gave me a bit of hope for working with LookOut! lusers. If it *is* the former, 1.2.2 now has the [built-in] ability to create in-line signatures and encryption; check out the pgp6.rc file supplied with the tarball. I saw that there is a pgp_clearsign_command, but how do I activate it... Looked through the manual and all but no joy.. BTW, how I assume that PGP Outlook is working is that it'll see a mail with the BEGIN PGP and END PGP, than you click the sacred button that looks like a key and it'll check out the sig or decrypt it.. A mail that is sent by outlook is a bit automatic, something like the 'set pgp_verify_sig=yes' in mutt.. I can attach a few outlook messages just to see the headers.. % have a % Content-Disposition header. Therefore, I am trying to remove % Have you tried a "my_hdr Content-Disposition: " to set it to null, % which ought to make it go away? It's a thought... % Where do I set it as it doesn't really help as the Content-Disposition % is set _after_ the mail is sent... Oh, darn; I didn't realize that. I suppose you could create a default send-hook to set your $sendmail variable like you usually would and then a special send-hook for these guys which hands the message off to a script which first strips out the C-D: header and *then* hands the message to your real $sendmail... Whoah, really out of my league... Tell that to my *other* 20 mutt users ;) -- Regards: Wari Wahab The intelligence of any discussion diminishes with the square of the number of participants. -- Adam Walinsky PGP signature
maillist munging faq
* Brian D. Winters [EMAIL PROTECTED] [000619 21:18]: Some mailing list software will rewrite the Reply-To on every message, assuming that the list subscribers are not competent enough to figure it out for themselves. [...] There are much better ways of marking list e-mail as such (see above and my previous post), and if your filter can't handle something of the form "Sender: owner-mutt" then you should get a better filter. If nothing else, the subject tag is a waste of screen space that could be used to show me more of the message's real subject. Amen! Here is my little summary of why maillist munging is BAD: http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/faq/maillist.html Feedback appreciated! :-) Sven
Re: procmail
* Dale Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] [000618 21:23]: I may have got my procmail working!! Just opened my mbox folder and found new mail in mutt!!! I believe what may have done the trick was going into .muttrc and specifying mbox names.. The stup for mutt does not affect the setup for procmail. And vice versa. It feels great when it works!!! Tell me about it! ;-) Sven -- Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED] |procmail latest version: 3.11pre7 [970616] PROCMAIL http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/procmail/ commented sample setup! PROCMAIL [EMAIL PROTECTED]send mail to subscribe! PROCMAIL Source: ftp://ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/pub/packages/procmail/
Re: Reply to all???
Telsa Gwynne muttered: How would I go about replying to all Why the heck is this becoming a FAQ? Doesn't anyone RTFM anymore? Because it's simple yet non-intutive? It depends where you're coming from. I have a theory about most people's use of the word 'intuitive'. I don't think it means 'obvious' at all. I think it means 'the most similar to the first interface I learned to use well'. Right, 'intuitive' seems to refer to 'what you are used to'. This reminded me of this nice fortune cookie :) The only "intuitive" interface is the nipple. After that, it's all learned. (Bruce Ediger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], in comp.os.linux.misc, on X interfaces.) Michael -- Algol-60 surely must be regarded as the most important programming language yet developed. -- T. Cheatham PGP-fingerprint: DECA E9D2 EBDD 0FE0 0A65 40FA 5967 ACA1 0B57 7C13
Re: Unwanted PGP key added ?!?
Stewart V. Wright muttered: I just looked at the message sent from "fman [EMAIL PROTECTED]" to this list (Subject: Re: Reply to all???). fman included a gpg public key as his(?) signature. the stranger thing is that when I viewed the message the key was AUTOMATICALLY added to my pgp key-ring. Is this usual behavior? I have not noticed keys being added automatically to my key-ring before... Well yes and no. The default pgp behavior is to verify signatures i.e. pgp tries to connect to a key-server and inserts that key into your public key-ring. You can avoid that by setting pgp_verify_sig to 'ask-no' or 'no'. gpg can be configured to use a different key-ring. Read the manual for further instructions. HTH, Michael -- The first version always gets thrown away. PGP-fingerprint: DECA E9D2 EBDD 0FE0 0A65 40FA 5967 ACA1 0B57 7C13
PGP program pkspxycwrap not found
I recently setup mutt to use PGP 6.5.2, and when I read a message that is signed, I get message "Fetching PGP Key...pkspxycwrap not found" I'm "source"ing the pgp6.rc in my ~/.mutt/muttrc, and the last command in pgp6.rc is # fetch keys set pgp_getkeys_command="pkspxycwrap %r" I can't find "pkspxycwrap" anywhere on my system - anyone know what command I should be using to fetch keys? TIA. -- Hardy Merrill Mission Critical Linux, LLC http://www.missioncriticallinux.com
Re: Reply to all???
[I took the liberty of reformatting this. Please reply below what you are quoting/replying to.] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: How would I go about replying to all Why the heck is this becoming a FAQ? Doesn't anyone RTFM anymore? Because it's simple yet non-intutive? rant I don't believe I said anything like "Why is this a FAQ? Isn't it easy enough that people can just intuit it correctly?". I asked why this is a FAQ when it's such an easy thing to find by Reading The [Friendly] Manual: -- % grep -i "group-reply" /usr/local/doc/mutt/manual.txt g group-reply reply to all recipients Conversely, when group-replying or list-replying to a message which honored when group-replying to a message. group-replyg reply to all recipients group-replyg reply to all recipients group-replyg reply to all recipients -- Even if you don't know what to call it in Mutt, it's still easy enough to look in the manual and find it. I don't really care about intuitiveness. Plenty of tools have shown the incredible power they can have if they worry less about easily-guessable commands and just implement the necessary features with what keybindings are available, then tell users what keybindings to use in the *gasp* manual and then make them *gasp* configurable as well. Mutt is intended as a mailer for experts. Whatever else that may mean, it does mean people are expected to be able to read the manual to use it effectively. This isn't meant as anything against the person that asked this question in particular, which is why I didn't include his/her name. It's more of a general observation -- Mutt seems to be getting a lot of new users lately, and more and more of them are asking every one of their questions on the list instead of looking for the answer for themselves, as is obvious considering how easily some of these questions are answered. Please don't take advantage of the list members. We all have other things to do than quoting the manual to people or deleting excessively easy questions and the 15 identical replies they get (but yay delete-thread). And all that having been said, I agree with Telsa -- 'g' makes perfect sense for 'group-reply'. 'R' makes perfect sense for 'recall [postponed]'. 'p' makes perfect sense for 'print', etc. They can't be more than one thing (well, they could be, but lets hear the complaints about intuitive behaviour then), and when you have a lot of features/functions, you take the ones that are left that make the most sense. Users can RTFM to find out what they are. /rant -- Jeremy Blosser | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://jblosser.firinn.org/ -+-+-- the crises posed a question / just beneath the skin the virtue in my veins replied / that quitters never win
Why would setting dsn_notify _return disrupt normal mail-sending?
I've just gotten mutt to work on a new (backup) ISP. (And at least until I persuade the sysadmin to upgrade, it's mutt 0.95.7i). It took me the *longest* time to be able to send any mail. Then I finally realized I had to disable "dsn_notify" and "dsn_return" in my .muttrc in order for any mail at all to be sent out. I had them set at "dsn_notify=failure,delay" and "dsn_return=hdrs". Now I have to keep them commented-out. Does this mean the ISP is using a version of sendmail older than 8.8? (I ask this because the mutt manpage mentions Berkeley sendmail 8.8 in the section on dsn.) This seems very messed-up. No one uses mutt on that ISP, and I'd like to be able to tell the sysadmin what to do to prevent this from happening (because he's not going to know). Can anyone offer tips? -- // [EMAIL PROTECTED] // PGP signature
Re: Unwanted PGP key added ?!?
On 000627, at 16:07:39, Stewart V. Wright wrote: Is this usual behaviour? I have not noticed keys being added automatically to my keyring before... Are you using PGP 5? PGP 5 always imports any key it finds. -- David Ellement
those users (was Re: Reply to all???)
Hi, everyone in general -- Without going too far into the whole argument of what's intuitive or not and without condemning too much, I hope, those users who get in our way and keep us from doing what we should be able to do (read mail and surf and occasionally fix systems :-) I would say that this *is* becoming a FAQ and it's because folks aren't reading the docs. It seems that mutt is cresting one of those points of explosive growth where we see a massive influx of clueless newbies -- perhaps, due to the easy availability of Linux and even other more mainstream *NIX distributions, so new that they don't even know how things work in The Right World (tm) -- and have to deal with a bunch of questions that seem pretty darned dumb even when we look back to the days when we were young and lusers ourselves. Unfortunately, this translates directly into more traffic on the mailing lists that is of fairly low interest to at least the Original Ones; after all, who wants to keep telling people why mutt doesn't talk on port 25 or how to configure pgp or why color works with vim but not mutt or even how to group reply. Note that I'm guilty, in recent times, of some of these questions myself; I'd like to think that I've done my homework and found the documentation confusing or lacking, but it's more probable that I just didn't do my homework, either. The problem, though, is that some of the Original Ones are getting tired of this crap and are unsubscribing or strongly contemplating it. I can hardly blame them; I saw the same decline on the sun-managers list a couple of years ago, and went that route myself. It seems to me, though I certainly speak not from any position of authority, that we as the mutt community need to come up with some Quick Start and "mutt for the impatient" docs, perhaps along the lines of the proposed "mutt for Attorneys" item mentioned recently, to head off some of the questions but also to come up with some more proactive methods of getting this information out. Without going into a drawn-out call for votes or anything silly like that, what does anyone think about - asking, most very humbly, the doc writers to spend some time on the FAQ or Quick Start, even at the expense of the full documentation, just to round it out and provide something to throw at requesters - somehow more strongly expecting those who post questions to post summaries (even if it's a summary of lack of response) - better promoting the searchable archives and perhaps redesigning the main mutt page to first send folks to answers - a mail server (my favorite idea :-) to which folks can forward such requests that spits out a form letter to the requester pointing him to the proper places to search (archives, FAQ, manual) and the manual section where the option(s) is(are) defined for starters? Heck, maybe the Muttrc included in RPMs could pop up a message saying "Don't ask; read first" until the user figures out how to get rid of it, and the Makefile in the tarball could require that one read a similar message before the compile will proceed... I suppose I should stop this before I kill again... HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bigfoot.com/~davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! The "new millennium" starts at the beginning of 2001. There was no year 0. Note: If bigfoot.com gives you fits, try sector13.org in its place. *sigh* PGP signature
Re: undelete messages
On Sun, Jun 25, 2000 at 11:52:49PM +0300, Mikko Hänninen wrote: Thanks. Now, is there any way to bind the arrow keys to use the J/K action instead of the j/k action? That would be really nice... Sure. bind index up previous-entry bind index down next-entry You may possibly also want to repeat those lines for the pager (pager instead of index). You can look up the function names from the help screen, and then just do an appropriate bind, if you want to do more key remapping... For more info, refer to the manual, the section about the bind command. Cool... thank you muchly. I'll have to take a closer look at the manual also for more keymappings. =) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED], OpenPGP key available on www.keyserver.net Freezer Burn BBS: telnet://bbs.freezer-burn.org . ICQ: 54924721 Webmaster for the Linux Portal Site Freezer Burn: http://www.freezer-burn.org Current Linux uptime: 1 days 16 hrs and 19 mins.
Re: those users (was Re: Reply to all???)
UmPardon me for forgettingI didn't even bother to read this mail, but one thing people must keep in mind is that one can forget, and this is the first time I have asked this. I am at work, and don't have much time to read through the mutt manual. Spare criticism and move on with your day On Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 12:08:28PM -0400, David T-G muttered: | Hi, everyone in general -- | | Without going too far into the whole argument of what's intuitive or not | and without condemning too much, I hope, those users who get in our way | and keep us from doing what we should be able to do (read mail and surf | and occasionally fix systems :-) I would say that this *is* becoming a | FAQ and it's because folks aren't reading the docs. |
Re: those users (was Re: Reply to all???)
Jason, et al -- ...and then Jason Helfman said... % UmPardon me for forgettingI didn't even bother to read this % mail, but one thing people must keep in mind is that one can forget, and Well, that could be part of the problem. I know that the list traffic has gone up recently, but one might perhaps read the whole message before replying to it... % this is the first time I have asked this. I am at work, and don't have % much time to read through the mutt manual. I won't bother to go into searching and other such fun stuff. If you don't have time to read the manual, that's fine; I don't have much time to read it for you, though, and that seems to be the central problem in the noise that's developing. My note wasn't meant as an attack on anyone, but was thrown out in the hopes of coming up with some ideas that will make mutt, designed to be a power-user's mail tool for experts only, a bit more accessable to the new user. % % Spare criticism and move on with your day Sorry for the misunderstanding; I figured the "without condeming too much, I hope" and smiley faces would have taken the sting out of that. % On Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 12:08:28PM -0400, David T-G muttered: % | Hi, everyone in general -- % | See, I'm not even going to knock your quoting style in this note. Whoops :-) :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bigfoot.com/~davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! The "new millennium" starts at the beginning of 2001. There was no year 0. Note: If bigfoot.com gives you fits, try sector13.org in its place. *sigh* PGP signature
Re: Yet another FAQ
On Mon, Jun 19, 2000 at 01:10:09AM -0500, Martin Julian DeMello wrote: Going through the mailing list and the documentation on mutt.org, it strikes me that what we lack is a 'How do I' FAQ (of the sort perl has). Of course, it'd be semiredundant informationwise since it's all there in the manual, but it'd be a useful resource for the newbie daunted by the sheer mass of options and settings to wade through. Sample questions: How do I set up a random .sig? How do I get pine-like roles? How do I get my mail sorted into folders? How do I tell mutt that I have multiple email addresses, so it'll show them in the index as To: rather than From:? How do I fcc based on criterion? How do I use my favourite editor with mutt? etc. Answers should, of course, include pointers to the relevant section of the manual. Comments? [and then lots of people said lots of things, including a brief subthread on something else] I'd add (and somewhat belatedly in this thread) How do I get started using PGP/GPG with mutt? It's quite hard for people not used to pgp/gpg to get going with them. It's not entirely a mutt question, of course, but if we want to encourage new mutt people eo use encryption, we should either point them to a good tutorial, or at least give directions including how to generate a key and how to use it. Fwiw. -- Jeff Abrahamson 610/270-4845 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home email is [EMAIL PROTECTED])
searching and collapsed threads
Hi, folks -- I have just discovered that searches do not look inside collapsed threads. At least, it looks like they don't, because I got "Not found" when I tried to search for some text that was in a message that turned out to be in a collapsed thread. I knew that it had to be in the folder, though, and even who sent it, so I sorted by user and browsed the hard way (figuring that I had mis-typed the search) to find it. When I resorted by threads again, the thread was uncollapsed and found the message; I was easily able to find it or not by opening or collapsing the thread. I read the manual :-) and don't see any discussion of searching related to collapsed threads. I tried using ~v in my search but couldn't get a pattern that mutt would accept. Is this a bug, an undocumented feature, or a bona fide feature and I should go away? TIA :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bigfoot.com/~davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! The "new millennium" starts at the beginning of 2001. There was no year 0. Note: If bigfoot.com gives you fits, try sector13.org in its place. *sigh* PGP signature
Re: those users (was Re: Reply to all???)
David T-G [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: It seems that mutt is cresting one of those points of explosive growth where we see a massive influx of clueless newbies -- perhaps, due to the easy availability of Linux and even other more mainstream *NIX distributions, so new that they don't even know how things work in The Right World (tm) -- and have to deal with a bunch of questions that seem pretty darned dumb even when we look back to the days when we were young and lusers ourselves. Unfortunately, this translates directly into more traffic on the mailing lists that is of fairly low interest to at least the Original Ones; after all, who wants to keep telling people why mutt doesn't talk on port 25 or how to configure pgp or why color works with vim but not mutt or even how to group reply. Note that I'm guilty, in recent times, of some of these questions myself; I'd like to think that I've done my homework and found the documentation confusing or lacking, but it's more probable that I just didn't do my homework, either. The problem, though, is that some of the Original Ones are getting tired of this crap and are unsubscribing or strongly contemplating it. I can hardly blame them; I saw the same decline on the sun-managers list a couple of years ago, and went that route myself. I'm glad someone else is seeing this the same way I am. I'd honestly be off this list long ago except that I'm committed to maintaining the web page and want to make sure I catch patches/etc. to add there. But I spend far too much time deleting stuff I just don't have time to keep up with anymore, which means I probably still miss some things I should be adding. And I'm hardly one of the "Original Ones". I'd wonder how many of them are even left. This list is transitioning, though, from a -users list to a -newbie list, where a few masochistic^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hdedicated types answer reams of the same simple, RTFM newbie questions over and over until they burn out, to be replaced with a new bunch of masochists. I know the pattern well enough, I've been that masochist enough times myself. I'd almost suggest a mutt-newbie list, but I hesitate to push anything that'll encourage the idea that mutt is a general purpose client. It really isn't, and I don't think it should be. Different skill levels have different needs -- there's nothing wrong with that. Of course, the dearth of MUAs that don't just suck or make up their own standards as they go makes Mutt one of the only options for people who just want a decent cli client with PGP support, regardless of their "expert" level. Anyway, I'm in no position to speak authoritatively or anything, either -- I just don't want to see this list become so much noise that it stops being worth anything as a serious user list. It seems to me, though I certainly speak not from any position of authority, that we as the mutt community need to come up with some Quick Start and "mutt for the impatient" docs, perhaps along the lines of the proposed "mutt for Attorneys" item mentioned recently, to head off some of the questions but also to come up with some more proactive methods of getting this information out. Without going into a drawn-out call for votes or anything silly like that, what does anyone think about - asking, most very humbly, the doc writers to spend some time on the FAQ or Quick Start, even at the expense of the full documentation, just to round it out and provide something to throw at requesters The only issue with this is that as far as I'm aware there is no such entity as "the doc writers". People that add or change things include doc patches. If they don't, or the docs they give aren't very good, someone else might work on fixing them, if they have time. Regardless, the people who answer the myriad of questions on this list honestly probably understand better than the developers what needs attention. You're all talking about writing this 'quick start' stuff -- do it. Give me a URL, and I'll add it to the web page. If it's kept current and of good quality I'll link it alongside the FAQ and manual on the index page. Really to me it sounds like you're all wanting to basically write an alternate FAQ, which sounds fine to me -- the existing one seems somewhat limited and not entirely current. I at least don't recommend people to it often for general questions that remain after reading the manual and man page, and that's really what a FAQ should be for, isn't it? There are plenty of FAQs that are not in the FAQ, which means they come up on the list again and again. - better promoting the searchable archives and perhaps redesigning the main mutt page to first send folks to answers We need archives that don't suck. Egroups sucks. Mail-archive is better, but pretty basic. Anyone who wants to start a list archive that sucks less, give me a URL so I can link it. Of course any of this assumes people will RTFM/FAQ/archives
[OT] Paranoia
Something just went wrong. My mails do not reach [EMAIL PROTECTED] any more. This is a test. Marius Gedminas -- The UNIX philosophy basically involves giving you enough rope to hang yourself. And then a couple of feet more, just to be sure.
Re: those users (was Re: Reply to all???)
David T-G [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: ...and then Jason Helfman said... % this is the first time I have asked this. I am at work, and don't have % much time to read through the mutt manual. I won't bother to go into searching and other such fun stuff. If you don't have time to read the manual, that's fine; I don't have much time to read it for you, though, and that seems to be the central problem in the noise that's developing. Exactly. How hard is it to do '?', then '/reply', and you have all the reply methods available highlighted. I wager that takes a good deal less time than composing a list message does. -- Jeremy Blosser | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://jblosser.firinn.org/ -+-+-- the crises posed a question / just beneath the skin the virtue in my veins replied / that quitters never win PGP signature
Re: those users (was Re: Reply to all???)
On Tue, Jun 27, 2000, Jason Helfman wrote: UmPardon me for forgettingI didn't even bother to read this mail, but one thing people must keep in mind is that one can forget, and this is the first time I have asked this. I am at work, and don't have much time to read through the mutt manual. With all do respect, hitting '?' would have given you your answer in less than a minute. -Ken -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]AIM: ScopusFest
Re: those users (was Re: Reply to all???)
On 2000.06.27 12:08:28, you, the extraordinary David T-G, opined: It seems that mutt is cresting one of those points of explosive growth where we see a massive influx of clueless newbies -- perhaps, due to the easy availability of Linux and even other more mainstream *NIX distributions, so new that they don't even know how things work in The Right World (tm) -- and have to deal with a bunch of questions that seem pretty darned dumb even when we look back to the days when we were young and lusers ourselves. Unfortunately, this translates directly into more traffic on the mailing lists that is of fairly low interest to at least the Original Ones ... [...] The problem, though, is that some of the Original Ones are getting tired of this crap and are unsubscribing or strongly contemplating it. [...] Has this ever been tried for some Cool Software: Create two lists: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] And etiquette requires that if you are fairly newbile you send your question to CoolSoftwareNewbies and wait a reasonable time before construing the absence of answer as an indication that you should send it to CoolSoftwareUsers? Naive, I suppose.. Cheers, N. -- Nollaig MacKenzie :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.amhuinnsuidhe.cx
Re: those users (was Re: Reply to all???)
Jeremy, et al -- ...and then Jeremy Blosser said... % David T-G [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: % It seems that mutt is cresting one of those points of explosive growth % where we see a massive influx of clueless newbies -- perhaps, due to ... % % Unfortunately, this translates directly into more traffic on the mailing ... % the Original Ones are getting tired of this crap and are unsubscribing or % strongly contemplating it. I can hardly blame them; I saw the same % decline on the sun-managers list a couple of years ago, and went that % route myself. % % I'm glad someone else is seeing this the same way I am. I'd honestly be Yeah; you're not crazy. % off this list long ago except that I'm committed to maintaining the web (OK, maybe you're a little crazy :-) % page and want to make sure I catch patches/etc. to add there. But I spend % far too much time deleting stuff I just don't have time to keep up with % anymore, which means I probably still miss some things I should be adding. Ah, well. % % And I'm hardly one of the "Original Ones". I'd wonder how many of them are % even left. Yeah. Of course, by the end of the day I feel like an OOne 'cuz I'm so tired and/or disillusioned, and I only found mutt at 0.88 :-) % % This list is transitioning, though, from a -users list to a -newbie list, ... % well enough, I've been that masochist enough times myself. Yeah. So it seems. % % I'd almost suggest a mutt-newbie list, but I hesitate to push anything % that'll encourage the idea that mutt is a general purpose client. It That, IMHO, is the core of the problem (aside from the fact that people just don't like to read docs). % really isn't, and I don't think it should be. Different skill levels have FWIW, I agree. % different needs -- there's nothing wrong with that. Of course, the dearth % of MUAs that don't just suck or make up their own standards as they go % makes Mutt one of the only options for people who just want a decent cli % client with PGP support, regardless of their "expert" level. Yep. % % Anyway, I'm in no position to speak authoritatively or anything, either -- % I just don't want to see this list become so much noise that it stops being % worth anything as a serious user list. Yep. % %- asking, most very humbly, the doc writers to spend some time on the % FAQ or Quick Start, even at the expense of the full documentation, % just to round it out and provide something to throw at requesters % % The only issue with this is that as far as I'm aware there is no such % entity as "the doc writers". People that add or change things include doc OK; point taken. % patches. If they don't, or the docs they give aren't very good, someone % else might work on fixing them, if they have time. Regardless, the people % who answer the myriad of questions on this list honestly probably % understand better than the developers what needs attention. You're all % talking about writing this 'quick start' stuff -- do it. Give me a URL, Yeah, I know; I have a FAQ entry on my plate that I haven't done :-) % and I'll add it to the web page. If it's kept current and of good quality % I'll link it alongside the FAQ and manual on the index page. Fair enough! % % Really to me it sounds like you're all wanting to basically write an % alternate FAQ, which sounds fine to me -- the existing one seems somewhat ... or perhaps just update or revamp the current one. % %- better promoting the searchable archives and perhaps redesigning the % main mutt page to first send folks to answers % % We need archives that don't suck. Egroups sucks. Mail-archive is better, Yeah. % but pretty basic. Anyone who wants to start a list archive that sucks % less, give me a URL so I can link it. If someone can point me at how to do it, I have the server space to make it happen. I don't have a lot of time, so I'd need some tutoring :-) % % Of course any of this assumes people will RTFM/FAQ/archives at all instead Yeah... % of expecting the list to do it for them. And honestly, people are going to % keep asking the list instead of the manual as long as it gets them answers. That's very true, and that's why I thoght that an automated answering mechanism might work out well. If we know the answers to these questions, it might be nice to fire off a message to a mailbot with a few keywords and let the mailbot do the work of sending the mail with all of the answer places nicely listed and not forgotten, even... % Sometimes a RTFM response, while it may seem rude, can be the best answer % you can give someone because it makes them learn something on their own, % while leaving the list members free to deal with other things, like % improving the manual and dealing with more complicated questions. Teach a % man to fish and all that crap. Yeah. Sometimes that *is* the only way. % % -- % Jeremy Blosser | [EMAIL PROTECTED] |
Re: Yet another FAQ
On Mon, Jun 26, 2000 at 08:42:35PM -0600, Charles Curley wrote:
On Mon, Jun 26, 2000 at 05:32:45PM +0200, Kai Blin wrote:
On Thu, Jun 22, 2000 at 09:47:35PM +0530, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
[snip]
I plan to model the planned mutt for dummies [1] on this page.
[1] better not call it that - comdex/idg attorneys will chew my ass
off for copyright violations ;)
[snap] come to think of it, name it "mutt for {stupids, dumb-bells,
newbies}"
Think we might get the idea across and still avoid being sued if we called
it "Mutt for Attorneys". :-)
Not sure how high that would be on my list of ways not to get sued. Might
hit a little close to home for some of us :)
Given mutt's target user base, I'm not sure "Mutt for Attorneys" or whatever
it ends up being called is even desirable. Maybe "Grep for Attorneys" would
be more useful :)
--
Justin May
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: clear screen after exit in tcsh?
On Thu, Jun 22, 2000 at 12:49:11PM -0400, Thomas E. Dickey wrote: On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, Ken W wrote: Hi there. I know this seems more like a tcsh question than a mutt question, but I only see this behavior in mutt. Anyone know what would make the screen clear after exiting mutt? I have it set up on two difference Solaris servers, one running mutt 1.0 and the other 1.0.1, both the same versions of tcsh, and both basically the same .muttrc's and .tcshrc's. One machine clears the screen upon exiting mutt, the other keeps what's left of mutt on the screen and gives you a prompt. that's the xterm alternate screen (when setup, it's in the termcap ti/te capabilities, hence titeInhibit resource for xterm) And can be set from .Xdefaults: XTerm.VT100.titeInhibit: true -- Jeff Abrahamson 610/270-4845 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home email is [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Qmail and Mutt
I just installed Qmail last night and broke my Procmail, but I thought I had fixed it with setting up where Promail writes to... Here is what I believe I have to do when I get home. 1 In .procmailrc set DEFAULT=$HOME/Maildir/ do the receipes change??? snip/ :0: * ^TO_mutt-users@.* mutt /snip 2 In .qmail set ~/.qmail: | preline -f /usr/local/bin/procmail 3 I guess I make other files like: ~/.qmail-mailbox-mutt ./Maildir/new/mutt/ 4 In mutt:set check_new=yes set mailbox_type=Maildir Does this look good? Any suggestion -- Jason G Helfman Network Administrator BizRate.com Fingerprint: 0B79 2B17 98CF 2347 CF90 7B50 E11C 587C 5560 21CC GnuPG http://www.gnupg.org Get Private! 1024D/556021CC
shell-escape problem?
Sorry if I am missing something obvious, but something seems odd to me with mutt's shell-escape behavior. If I hit '!' and type at the prompt 'vim ~/.signature', it knows it exists because tab completions finishes '.signature', yet it opens it as a new file. Is mutt not correctly resolving '~'? Thanks. -Ken -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]AIM: ScopusFest
Re: clear screen after exit in tcsh?
On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, Jeff Abrahamson wrote: that's the xterm alternate screen (when setup, it's in the termcap ti/te capabilities, hence titeInhibit resource for xterm) And can be set from .Xdefaults: XTerm.VT100.titeInhibit: true XTerm*VT100.titeInhibit: true is preferable... -- T.E.Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dickey.his.com ftp://dickey.his.com
Re: searching and collapsed threads
David T-G [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: I have just discovered that searches do not look inside collapsed threads. It's considered correct that Mutt treats messages hidden by thread collapsing the same way it treats ones hidden by a 'limit' -- as though they didn't exist. So if you limit messages, then search, you won't get results from messages not in the limit, and the same if you collapse threads. It's debatable whether this should be -- it makes sense in some ways, since you could hurt yourself with a delete-pattern that affects collapsed threads when you didn't realize it would, but doesn't make sense in other ways, such as your current example. No one has suggested/implemented something better, though. -- Jeremy Blosser | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://jblosser.firinn.org/ -+-+-- the crises posed a question / just beneath the skin the virtue in my veins replied / that quitters never win PGP signature
Re: shell-escape problem?
Ken W [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: Sorry if I am missing something obvious, but something seems odd to me with mutt's shell-escape behavior. If I hit '!' and type at the prompt 'vim ~/.signature', it knows it exists because tab completions finishes '.signature', yet it opens it as a new file. Is mutt not correctly resolving '~'? I can't duplicate it here, using the same mutt you were (1.0i). The above opens vim on my existing ~/.signature, as expected. Perhaps there is a problem somewhere else in your setup? What file does vim think it's editing? Odd that you wouldn't, but are you sure you have correct perms for the file you're trying to edit? -- Jeremy Blosser | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://jblosser.firinn.org/ -+-+-- the crises posed a question / just beneath the skin the virtue in my veins replied / that quitters never win PGP signature
Re: shell-escape problem?
Ken -- ...and then Ken W said... % Sorry if I am missing something obvious, but something seems odd to me % with mutt's shell-escape behavior. If I hit '!' and type at the % prompt 'vim ~/.signature', it knows it exists because tab completions Yep; mutt is helping you build the command line ... % finishes '.signature', yet it opens it as a new file. Is mutt not % correctly resolving '~'? ... but it's the shell that isn't handling that. Call it a bug or a feature, but mutt hands off your specified command line to the shell you specify -- or perhaps to the shell specified at compile time to *then* hand off to your specified shell -- and the sh derivatives don't know what ~ means. % % Thanks. HTH HAND % % -Ken % % -- % [EMAIL PROTECTED]AIM: ScopusFest :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bigfoot.com/~davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! The "new millennium" starts at the beginning of 2001. There was no year 0. Note: If bigfoot.com gives you fits, try sector13.org in its place. *sigh* PGP signature
Re: searching and collapsed threads
Jeremy, et al -- ...and then Jeremy Blosser said... % David T-G [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: % I have just discovered that searches do not look inside collapsed % threads. % % It's considered correct that Mutt treats messages hidden by thread % collapsing the same way it treats ones hidden by a 'limit' -- as though Ahhh... Hmmm... % they didn't exist. So if you limit messages, then search, you won't get % results from messages not in the limit, and the same if you collapse % threads. Yeah; good point. I hadn't thought of collapsing as a limit, but it limits the display for sure and could certainly be thought of as limiting just like any other limit command. Thanks a bunch. % % It's debatable whether this should be -- it makes sense in some ways, since % you could hurt yourself with a delete-pattern that affects collapsed Right... % threads when you didn't realize it would, but doesn't make sense in other % ways, such as your current example. No one has suggested/implemented % something better, though. I suppose a $search_within_collapsed or $match_within_collapsed variable is in order ;-) % % -- % Jeremy Blosser | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://jblosser.firinn.org/ % -+-+-- % the crises posed a question / just beneath the skin % the virtue in my veins replied / that quitters never win :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bigfoot.com/~davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! The "new millennium" starts at the beginning of 2001. There was no year 0. Note: If bigfoot.com gives you fits, try sector13.org in its place. *sigh* PGP signature
Verifying PGP 5.0 Sigs (Again)
I just can't get the hang of verifying a signed cleartext message. In this case it's one I sent to myself. First, I cannot access any kind of "PGP menu" in the index or pager, like I can when composing a message. So I have to pipe the signes message to 'pgpv' and it says that I have a detached sig, and asks what file it pertains to, and of cousre I have no filename to give it. I can sign a message via my editor so that the sig is included in the text, and I can verify such a message without error. I've read the Mutt page, the PGP-Notes.txt, and whatever else I can find, but no joy. Typical header info: [-- Attachment #1 --] [-- Type: text/plain, Encoding: quoted-printable, Size: 0.1K --] [-- Attachment #2 --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Encoding: 7bit, Size: 0.2K --] For the record, here's the output of 'mutt -v' Mutt 1.0i (1999-10-22) System: Linux 2.2.14 [using ncurses 3.0] Compile options: -DOMAIN -HOMESPOOL -USE_SETGID +USE_DOTLOCK +USE_FCNTL -USE_FLOCK -USE_IMAP -USE_POP +HAVE_REGCOMP -USE_GNU_REGEX +HAVE_COLOR +HAVE_PGP5 +HAVE_PGP2 -BUFFY_SIZE -EXACT_ADDRESS +ENABLE_NLS SENDMAIL="/usr/sbin/sendmail" MAILPATH="/var/spool/mail" SHAREDIR="/usr/local/share/mutt" SYSCONFDIR="/usr/local/etc" ISPELL="/usr/bin/ispell" _PGPPATH="/usr/local/bin/pgp" _PGPV2PATH="/usr/local/bin/pgp" _PGPV3PATH="/usr/local/bin/pgp" What am I missing here? -- Powered by SuSE Linux 6.3 -- Kernel upgraded to 2.2.14 Communications by Mutt 1.0i
Re: shell-escape problem?
On Tue, Jun 27, 2000, Jeremy Blosser wrote: Ken W [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: Sorry if I am missing something obvious, but something seems odd to me with mutt's shell-escape behavior. If I hit '!' and type at the prompt 'vim ~/.signature', it knows it exists because tab completions finishes '.signature', yet it opens it as a new file. Is mutt not correctly resolving '~'? I can't duplicate it here, using the same mutt you were (1.0i). The above opens vim on my existing ~/.signature, as expected. vim says on the bottom: "~/.signature" [New File] . Weird though that file tab completion expands it. Perhaps there is a problem somewhere else in your setup? What file does vim think it's editing? Odd that you wouldn't, but are you sure you have correct perms for the file you're trying to edit? Permissions on .signature are 600. And yes, it is owned by me. :) If I ctrl-z, the same thing brings it up fine from the command line. -Ken -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]AIM: ScopusFest
Re: shell-escape problem?
On Tue, Jun 27, 2000, David T-G wrote: % finishes '.signature', yet it opens it as a new file. Is mutt not % correctly resolving '~'? ... but it's the shell that isn't handling that. Call it a bug or a feature, but mutt hands off your specified command line to the shell you specify -- or perhaps to the shell specified at compile time to *then* hand off to your specified shell -- and the sh derivatives don't know what ~ means. I use tcsh. The same command, 'vim ~/.signature' works just fine from my command prompt. -Ken -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]AIM: ScopusFest
Re: those users (was Re: Reply to all???)
At 2:09 PM EDT on June 27 Nollaig MacKenzie sent off: Has this ever been tried for some Cool Software: * see below. Create two lists: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] And etiquette requires that if you are fairly newbile you send your question Newbile? I don't think I was ever newbile... ;-) to CoolSoftwareNewbies and wait a reasonable time before construing the absence of answer as an indication that you should send it to CoolSoftwareUsers? It wouldn't even have to be etiquette; a = 3 day old newbie subscription could be required before being allowed to join the user list. But I don't think we need it. * Yes, sort of, for a certain MUA called mutt, with mutt-users and mutt-dev. After all aren't newbies a subset of users? And although I know mutt is for power users, complete newbies by definition don't. They're offered a choice of mailers as they install their UNIX distribution and what do they know? elm and pine are trees and mutt isn't. As somebody who keeps trying to get his wife to give up her wretched Windoze GUI mailer for mutt, I don't want to chase away the people who get here on their own. But I think we need a netiquette lesson on the web page for subscribing to mutt-users, maybe even with a link to procmail so they can handle the mailing list, and the lesson should also be included in the list subscription confirmation message, before the cookie so that they have to read it. The lesson should include: 1. Try pressing ? in mutt. Right now. Wasn't that great? It gets better. Try / and you'll probably answer your question. (I really think it's much better to tell people this than RTFM. Lusers already know they should RTFM (even if they don't know the acronym) but either figure they can get you to do it or honestly tried and failed to find something that seems intuitive to experts. ? is so fast that they might actually try it, and it should be intuitive enough.) 2. The manual location and a suggestion to grep it. 3. The mailing list archive URLs. 4. An invitation to go ahead and post if 1, 2, and 3 didn't satisfy, with the caveat that such shockingly offensive reasons for not being satisfied by 1, 2, and 3 as "I'm at work, so I don't have time to read the manual myself" are plain and simple flamebait. Or maybe there should be a mutt-newbie RPM that detects any attempt to mail to mutt-users and replaces it with ?/ Somewhere near the end of the resulting page there could be a key sequence for really posting to mutt-users. -- Police, n. An armed force for protection and participation. - A. Bierce Robert I. Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://astro.utoronto.ca/~reid/ PGP Key: http://astro.utoronto.ca/~reid/pgp.html
Re: emacs mail mode?
At 6:54 AM EDT on June 14 Joachim Weiss sent off: Try mail-mode instead of auto-fill-mode. This gives you word wrap and it can handle quotations (if you are using font-lock-mode this gives you colored quotations, in addition emacs is able to rearrange paragraphs (M-q) with quotations in it, keeping the quote character in the first column...) I recommend post mode http://astro.utoronto.ca/~reid/mutt/post.el.gz instead, since it'll give you all that and more without having emacs think that it will be sending out your mail itself. Emacs, at least by default with my version, uses a slightly different message format, but post has other advantages. -- For if there is a sin against life, it consists perhaps not so much in despairing of life as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this life. - Albert Camus Robert I. Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://astro.utoronto.ca/~reid/ PGP/GPG Keys: http://astro.utoronto.ca/~reid/pgp.html
Re: Verifying PGP 5.0 Sigs (Again)
Howard -- ...and then Howard Arons said... % I just can't get the hang of verifying a signed cleartext message. In % this case it's one I sent to myself. % ... % % Typical header info: % [-- Attachment #1 --] % [-- Type: text/plain, Encoding: quoted-printable, Size: 0.1K --] % % [-- Attachment #2 --] % [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Encoding: 7bit, Size: 0.2K --] If you have this, then you should have an ordinary PGP/MIME signed message. When you read it, do you get something like [-- PGP output follows (current time: Tue Jun 27 16:23:09 2000) --] Good signature made 2000-06-23 10:03 GMT by key: 1024 bits, Key ID CBAE9171, Created 1998-11-02 "David Thorburn-Gundlach (default) [EMAIL PROTECTED]" "David Thorburn-Gundlach (default) [EMAIL PROTECTED]" This signature applies to another message [-- End of PGP output -- The following data is PGP/MIME signed --] [-- Attachment #1 --] [-- Type: text/plain, Encoding: quoted-printable, Size: 2.2K --] at the top of your display in the pager? [Note that this PGP output has been made somewhat less verbose thanks to a feature patch, but you get the idea.] You shouldn't have to do anything in order to read or verify the sig, as long as you have the public key available -- and I would figure you should if it's yours :-) % % For the record, here's the output of 'mutt -v' % Mutt 1.0i (1999-10-22) % % System: Linux 2.2.14 [using ncurses 3.0] Did you know that you have a security hole in your kernel? :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bigfoot.com/~davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! The "new millennium" starts at the beginning of 2001. There was no year 0. Note: If bigfoot.com gives you fits, try sector13.org in its place. *sigh* PGP signature
Re: shell-escape problem?
Ken -- ...and then Ken W said... % On Tue, Jun 27, 2000, David T-G wrote: % % specify -- or perhaps to the shell specified at compile time to *then* % hand off to your specified shell -- and the sh derivatives don't know % what ~ means. % % I use tcsh. The same command, 'vim ~/.signature' works just fine from That's what *you* use, but do we know what mutt uses? I'm not absolutely sure of this position, and I could be wrong, but I vaguely recall this going by before and I think that it had to do with how mutt invoked the command line you want to run... % my command prompt. Of course. % % -Ken % % -- % [EMAIL PROTECTED]AIM: ScopusFest :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bigfoot.com/~davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! The "new millennium" starts at the beginning of 2001. There was no year 0. Note: If bigfoot.com gives you fits, try sector13.org in its place. *sigh* PGP signature
Mail-Followup-To and Reply-To
Hi. I read a lot about Mail-Followup-To and Reply-To recently (including in the mutt-users archive) and my conclusion is that: - Mail-Followup-To is not a standard and is supported by very few MUA's. - Reply-To should be able to do the right thing, even if some implementations are forcing people to use this field. I started using the Mail-Followup-To header, but didn't see any change at all in the volume of emails sent to me directly, which makes me think that using Reply-To instead would work better. What about adding a feature to Mutt which would basically put the information currently put in Mail-Followup-To in the Reply-To header? An option like followup_in_reply_to would be useful IMHO. Of course, mailing-lists adding a Reply-To header would break that, but anyway there is no perfect solution. Any comments? -- Hugo Haas [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://larve.net/people/hugo/ Je crois ce que je vois, je vois ce que je regarde et je regarde ce que je veux. -- Blaise Pascal (?)
Re: those users (was Re: Reply to all???)
On Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 12:08:28PM -0400, David T-G wrote: - Hi, everyone in general -- - - Without going too far into the whole argument of what's intuitive or not - and without condemning too much, I hope, those users who get in our way - and keep us from doing what we should be able to do (read mail and surf - and occasionally fix systems :-) I would say that this *is* becoming a - FAQ and it's because folks aren't reading the docs. The docs are user hostile, and not merely difficult to read. For many people they are impossible to read. They are difficult or impossible to read because 1) they are organized by function name. This is dandy if you have function phoo in front of you and want to know what it does. It is utterly useless if you want to phoo, and don't know that it's called phooing, and the name of the function to do it is phoo. Reason 2) is because it assumes a lot of knowledge on the readers' part. Things like the fact that procmail exists. - - It seems that mutt is cresting one of those points of explosive growth - where we see a massive influx of clueless newbies -- perhaps, due to Clueless newbies indeed -- many if not all are coming to mutt and Linux in general from Windows. Mail on Windows is trivially easy: you fire up Outlook Express, put in a bare minimum of information, and sit back and wait. You get a trojan horse, it eats your hard drive, you install the next version of Windows, and repeat. Real simple. - the easy availability of Linux and even other more mainstream *NIX - distributions, so new that they don't even know how things work in The - Right World (tm) -- and have to deal with a bunch of questions that seem - pretty darned dumb even when we look back to the days when we were young - and lusers ourselves. - - Unfortunately, this translates directly into more traffic on the mailing - lists that is of fairly low interest to at least the Original Ones; after - all, who wants to keep telling people why mutt doesn't talk on port 25 or - how to configure pgp or why color works with vim but not mutt or even how - to group reply. Note that I'm guilty, in recent times, of some of these - questions myself; I'd like to think that I've done my homework and found - the documentation confusing or lacking, but it's more probable that I - just didn't do my homework, either. The problem, though, is that some of - the Original Ones are getting tired of this crap and are unsubscribing or - strongly contemplating it. I can hardly blame them; I saw the same - decline on the sun-managers list a couple of years ago, and went that - route myself. I concur. What we need to do is lower the traffic on this list. - - It seems to me, though I certainly speak not from any position of - authority, that we as the mutt community need to come up with some Quick - Start and "mutt for the impatient" docs, perhaps along the lines of the - proposed "mutt for Attorneys" item mentioned recently, to head off some - of the questions but also to come up with some more proactive methods - of getting this information out. Without going into a drawn-out call - for votes or anything silly like that, what does anyone think about - - - asking, most very humbly, the doc writers to spend some time on the - FAQ or Quick Start, even at the expense of the full documentation, - just to round it out and provide something to throw at requesters This would be good. - - somehow more strongly expecting those who post questions to post - summaries (even if it's a summary of lack of response) This is excellent. As a programmer and technical documentor myself, I can tell you that this is far and away the best thing the neophyte who has a question can do to return value to freeware. - - better promoting the searchable archives and perhaps redesigning the - main mutt page to first send folks to answers Good. - - a mail server (my favorite idea :-) to which folks can forward such - requests that spits out a form letter to the requester pointing him - to the proper places to search (archives, FAQ, manual) and the manual - section where the option(s) is(are) defined You get to write the procmail recipes. :-) It's a good idea but a lot of work. - - for starters? Heck, maybe the Muttrc included in RPMs could pop up a - message saying "Don't ask; read first" until the user figures out how to - get rid of it, and the Makefile in the tarball could require that one - read a similar message before the compile will proceed... This will kill interest in using mutt faster than anything I can think of short of making it an exclusively Windows package. But at least you are thinking of things and tossing them out there for consideration. Good for you. -- -- C^2 No windows were crashed in the making of this email. Looking for fine software and/or web pages? http://w3.trib.com/~ccurley PGP signature
Re: those users (was Re: Reply to all???)
Charles, et al -- ...and then Charles Curley said... % On Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 12:08:28PM -0400, David T-G wrote: % - % - and occasionally fix systems :-) I would say that this *is* becoming a % - FAQ and it's because folks aren't reading the docs. % % The docs are user hostile, and not merely difficult to read. For many % people they are impossible to read. OK; I'll accept that. % % They are difficult or impossible to read because 1) they are organized by % function name. This is dandy if you have function phoo in front of you and % want to know what it does. It is utterly useless if you want to phoo, and % don't know that it's called phooing, and the name of the function to do it Well, what about some simple searching through the manual? Admittedly, you have to realize that '/' is the search character, but we do need to draw the tutoring line somewhere :-)/2 IMHO I think that a reference-format manual is great, but that it would be nice to *also* have a procedure-format manual or guide handy. So who wants to write it? :-) % is phoo. Reason 2) is because it assumes a lot of knowledge on the % readers' part. Things like the fact that procmail exists. That's part of the "newbie education" issue, but it could probably be made better. % % - It seems that mutt is cresting one of those points of explosive growth % - where we see a massive influx of clueless newbies -- perhaps, due to % % Clueless newbies indeed -- many if not all are coming to mutt and Linux in % general from Windows. Mail on Windows is trivially easy: you fire up Yep. % Outlook Express, put in a bare minimum of information, and sit back and % wait. You get a trojan horse, it eats your hard drive, you install the % next version of Windows, and repeat. Real simple. *grin* % % - pretty darned dumb even when we look back to the days when we were young % - and lusers ourselves. % - % - Unfortunately, this translates directly into more traffic on the mailing ... % - the Original Ones are getting tired of this crap and are unsubscribing or % - strongly contemplating it. I can hardly blame them; I saw the same % - decline on the sun-managers list a couple of years ago, and went that % - route myself. % % I concur. What we need to do is lower the traffic on this list. Yep. Can we kick off users who ask stupid questions except for me? :-) % % - of getting this information out. Without going into a drawn-out call % - for votes or anything silly like that, what does anyone think about % - % - - asking, most very humbly, the doc writers to spend some time on the % - FAQ or Quick Start, even at the expense of the full documentation, % - just to round it out and provide something to throw at requesters % % This would be good. Yeah. I've since learned that there isn't any sort of "documentation group" for mutt, so we have nobody to ask. Time to call for volunteers, all of whom -- much like me -- will certainly be pressed for time anyway. But it seems to me that that will be the way to go forward. % % % - - somehow more strongly expecting those who post questions to post % - summaries (even if it's a summary of lack of response) % % This is excellent. As a programmer and technical documentor myself, I can % tell you that this is far and away the best thing the neophyte who has a % question can do to return value to freeware. The new mutter (hey, I only *just* got the "... so and so muttered ..." attribution!! :-) is also more likely to be excited about getting so far and happy to chip back in, especially if we can promote summaries as helpful and get them in front of everyone's eyes. % % - - a mail server (my favorite idea :-) to which folks can forward such % - requests that spits out a form letter to the requester pointing him % - to the proper places to search (archives, FAQ, manual) and the manual % - section where the option(s) is(are) defined % % You get to write the procmail recipes. :-) It's a good idea but a lot of work. Actually, I figured it would be a perl bot :-) Yeah, it would be work to do, but fun. Oh, well. % % - message saying "Don't ask; read first" until the user figures out how to % - get rid of it, and the Makefile in the tarball could require that one % - read a similar message before the compile will proceed... % % This will kill interest in using mutt faster than anything I can think of % short of making it an exclusively Windows package. You just might have to work a bit to convince me that this (the former, I mean) is a bad thing. Experts won't mind it, I should think, and let it scare off the newbies until they've learned a bit of *NIX. % % But at least you are thinking of things and tossing them out there for % consideration. Good for you. Thanks :-) % % % -- % % -- C^2 % % No windows were crashed in the making of this email. % % Looking for fine software and/or web pages? % http://w3.trib.com/~ccurley :-D --
Re: those users (was Re: Reply to all???)
On Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 06:09:38PM +, Nollaig MacKenzie wrote: Has this ever been tried for some Cool Software: Create two lists: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] And etiquette requires that if you are fairly newbile you send your question to CoolSoftwareNewbies and wait a reasonable time before construing the absence of answer as an indication that you should send it to CoolSoftwareUsers? Naive, I suppose.. I think this would cause more problems than it solves-- in a way you are encouraging newbies to ask questions rather than read the docs, but beyond that-- this assumes that there are people on the newbie list who know the answers to the questions, but obviously the newbies don't, that's why they're there. Who is going to be the masochist/martyr to subscribe to this list and answer the same stupid questions all the time? rebecca
Re: those users (was Re: Reply to all???)
And etiquette requires that if you are fairly newbile you send your question to CoolSoftwareNewbies and wait a reasonable time before construing the absence of answer as an indication that you should send it to CoolSoftwareUsers? Wouldn't they have to read the docs for the lists to get that right? Isn't the difference between a newbie and a user, in this case, whether or not they read the docs before posting? Naive, I suppose.. Looks like the same problem, with one more list for Jeremy to skim to keep the web page current. ;) Brian
Re: Verifying PGP 5.0 Sigs (Again)
On Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 03:56:30PM -0400, Howard Arons wrote: - I just can't get the hang of verifying a signed cleartext message. In - this case it's one I sent to myself. - - First, I cannot access any kind of "PGP menu" in the index or pager, - like I can when composing a message. So I have to pipe the signes - message to 'pgpv' and it says that I have a detached sig, and asks what - file it pertains to, and of cousre I have no filename to give it. - - I can sign a message via my editor so that the sig is included in the - text, and I can verify such a message without error. - - I've read the Mutt page, the PGP-Notes.txt, and whatever else I can - find, but no joy. - - Typical header info: - [-- Attachment #1 --] - [-- Type: text/plain, Encoding: quoted-printable, Size: 0.1K --] - - [-- Attachment #2 --] - [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Encoding: 7bit, Size: 0.2K --] - - For the record, here's the output of 'mutt -v' - Mutt 1.0i (1999-10-22) - - System: Linux 2.2.14 [using ncurses 3.0] - Compile options: - -DOMAIN - -HOMESPOOL -USE_SETGID +USE_DOTLOCK +USE_FCNTL -USE_FLOCK - -USE_IMAP -USE_POP +HAVE_REGCOMP -USE_GNU_REGEX +HAVE_COLOR - +HAVE_PGP5 +HAVE_PGP2 -BUFFY_SIZE - -EXACT_ADDRESS +ENABLE_NLS - SENDMAIL="/usr/sbin/sendmail" - MAILPATH="/var/spool/mail" - SHAREDIR="/usr/local/share/mutt" - SYSCONFDIR="/usr/local/etc" - ISPELL="/usr/bin/ispell" - _PGPPATH="/usr/local/bin/pgp" - _PGPV2PATH="/usr/local/bin/pgp" - _PGPV3PATH="/usr/local/bin/pgp" - - What am I missing here? - -- - Powered by SuSE Linux 6.3 -- Kernel upgraded to 2.2.14 - Communications by Mutt 1.0i First suggestion: upgrade to the latest mutt, 1.2 or so. The gpg/pgp configuration has changed a lot, and there are sample config files that you can drop right in. I was able to use gpg within minutes with the latest mutt. Once you do that, there is a pgp menu in the compose window. -- -- C^2 No windows were crashed in the making of this email. Looking for fine software and/or web pages? http://w3.trib.com/~ccurley PGP signature
Re: Verifying PGP 5.0 Sigs (Again)
On Tue, Jun 27 2000, at 16:26 -0400, David T-G wrote: % I just can't get the hang of verifying a signed cleartext message. In % this case it's one I sent to myself. If you have this, then you should have an ordinary PGP/MIME signed message. When you read it, do you get something like [...] I think that what may have caused the question is the lack of an explicit, on-demand option to verify signatures, meaning that if you've set $pgp_verify_sig to "no" so's to stop being bothered by either the question whether to or the process a such whenever coming across a signed message, yet want to manually make Mutt check a particular message--there's no feature allowing you to do that (unless you devise some macro magic emulating it). Marco
Re: Qmail and Mutt
On Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 11:46:43AM -0700, Jason Helfman wrote: [Ignoring qmail+procmail questions] 4 In mutt:set check_new=yes set mailbox_type=Maildir Does "mailbox_type" really work? I use "mbox_type". ciao -- Mark| PGP-Key available Weinem| [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: shell-escape problem?
On Tue, Jun 27, 2000, David T-G wrote: That's what *you* use, but do we know what mutt uses? I'm not absolutely sure of this position, and I could be wrong, but I vaguely recall this going by before and I think that it had to do with how mutt invoked the command line you want to run... Ah. This is in the mutt manual: - shell Type: path Default: "" Command to use when spawning a subshell. By default, the user's login shell from /etc/passwd is used. - but does nothing for this to set it to /bin/tcsh. -Ken -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]AIM: ScopusFest
Re: Qmail and Mutt
On Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 12:47:32AM +0200, Mark Weinem wrote: On Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 11:46:43AM -0700, Jason Helfman wrote: [Ignoring qmail+procmail questions] 4 In mutt:set check_new=yes set mailbox_type=Maildir Does "mailbox_type" really work? I use "mbox_type". Several configuration variables have aliases. You can find them with grep DT_SYN /wherever/your/mutt/source/is/init.h But there is no mailbox_type. I guess that was a typo. Marius Gedminas -- Alan Turing thought about criteria to settle the question of whether machines can think, a question of which we now know that it is about as relevant as the question of whether submarines can swim. -- Dijkstra
Re: Qmail and Mutt
Jason Helfman: I just installed Qmail last night and broke my Procmail, but I thought I had fixed it with setting up where Promail writes to... had the exact same probs, also procmail complaining about every write(2). but i needed email badly and dropped procmail until i regain the special nerve for it. Here is what I believe I have to do when I get home. 1 In .procmailrc set DEFAULT=$HOME/Maildir/ do the receipes change??? the recipes? no. ~/.qmail: | preline -f /usr/local/bin/procmail ok. ~/.qmail-mailbox-mutt ./Maildir/new/mutt/ this i do not even understand. 4 In mutt:set check_new=yes set mailbox_type=Maildir you don't *have* to do this, unless you wants to create maildirs per default. i had a working outfit with an incoming maildir and mailboxes for safekeeping. until i configured the exact same stuff for my new machine using brandnew versions of the software. but i did not have to be admitted to the looney bin, because they were so understanding... clemens
How to edit a forwared message?
I can't figure out how to foward a message and edit the original message. I'm using emacs -nw as my editor. The forwarded message shows up as an attachment, which I can't figure out how to edit. Thanks. John
Re: URL viewing problem
Antoine
When I change my .mailcap file as you indicated below, Netscape
doesn't open on the link, it gives me the following:
file:/tmp/muttuNv5SY (In Netscape's url location box) and a blank page
with the following: td width="388" height="26"
When I use Pine to view the message, it opens netscape to the proper
url, so I know the address is correct. Suggestions?
thanks
dale
At 27 June, 2000 Antoine Martin wrote:
On Mon, Jun 26, 2000 at 06:40:31PM -0700, Dale Morris wrote:
When I try to open an email in html I receive the following:
[dlm@dhcp232 dlm]$ mutt
sh: syntax error near unexpected token `openURL(''
sh: -c: line 1: `netscape -remote openURL('/tmp/muttnbn5pN')'
Press any key to continue...
Press any key to continue...
sh: syntax error near unexpected token `openURL(''
sh: -c: line 1: `netscape -remote openURL('/tmp/muttKfxnYE')'
Press any key to continue...
here's a copy of my .mailcap file. any suggestions? Thanks in advance
text/html; netscape -remote openURL\(%s\)
try this instead :
text/html; netscape -remote 'openURL(%s)'
Best regards,
Antoine
Re: How to edit a forwared message?
msg.pgp
Re: URL viewing problem
I got it working!! Here's what I found that works:
text/html; netscape %s\;exit 1; nametemplate=%s.html; test=test -n "$DISPLAY"
text/html; lynx -force_html %s; needsterminal
(this is courtesy of Roland Rosenfeld on his mutt page)
At 26 June, 2000 Dale Morris wrote:
When I try to open an email in html I receive the following:
[dlm@dhcp232 dlm]$ mutt
sh: syntax error near unexpected token `openURL(''
sh: -c: line 1: `netscape -remote openURL('/tmp/muttnbn5pN')'
Press any key to continue...
Press any key to continue...
sh: syntax error near unexpected token `openURL(''
sh: -c: line 1: `netscape -remote openURL('/tmp/muttKfxnYE')'
Press any key to continue...
here's a copy of my .mailcap file. any suggestions? Thanks in advance
text/html; netscape -remote openURL\(%s\)
#image/gif; ee %s
#image/jpg; ee %s
image/*; ee %s; copiousoutput
image/*;anytopnm %s | pnmscale -xsize 80 -ysize 50 | ppmtopgm | pgmtopbm |
pbmtoascii ; copiousoutput
application/pgp-keys; pgp -f %s ; copiousoutput
#mailcap entry added by Netscape Helper
audio/x-mpegurl;xmms %s
#mailcap entry added by Netscape Helper
audio-x/mpegurl;;\
x-mozilla-flags=deleted
#mailcap entry added by Netscape Helper
audio/mpeg;/usr/X11R6/bin/realplay
#mailcap entry added by Netscape Helper
audio/x-pn-realaudio;/usr/X11R6/bin/realplay %s
"To conquer the cosmos, it seems obvious we'll have to meld mind with
machine. If we are destined to wind up as software, let's hope we're
an open source species and not Microsoft mutants."
Christopher Arlaud, IT writer, Copenhagen
ICQ # 67278457
--
"To conquer the cosmos, it seems obvious we'll have to meld mind with
machine. If we are destined to wind up as software, let's hope we're
an open source species and not Microsoft mutants."
Christopher Arlaud, IT writer, Copenhagen
ICQ # 67278457
Re: PGP problems
* David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] [000627 20:09]: % has the [built-in] ability to create in-line signatures and encryption; % check out the pgp6.rc file supplied with the tarball. % I saw that there is a pgp_clearsign_command, but how do I activate it... That much I don't know; I haven't played with it myself. Maybe run a quick check through the manual ... Doesn't help, the manual just explains what pgp_clearsign_command is for, how to use it is beyond me.. 6.3.120. pgp_clearsign_command Type: string Default: "" This format is used to create a "clearsigned" old-style PGP attachment. Note that the use of this format is strongly deprecated. A lot of help huh? ;) % is a bit automatic, something like the 'set pgp_verify_sig=yes' in % mutt.. I can attach a few outlook messages just to see the headers.. Gotcha. I'm attaching a file called lookout where you can detach it and read it with mutt.. There are 6 message in there, 3 with and 3 without attachments.. All same ones, they are either signed, encrypted or both. They are braindead formats actually.. Maybe there should be a command in the PGP menu for LookOut! lusers *grin* Not that tough, actually; the script could be as simple as cat - | egrep -v '^Content-Disposition: ' | your_real_$sendmail_cmd and that's it -- and that means that it could even be inlined in your .muttrc if you wanted to! That only works for messages that just contains body, but when you send with attachments, you get BAD signature warning in the messages ;) -- Regards: Wari Wahab If you've seen one redwood, you've seen them all. -- Ronald Reagan From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jun 28 10:30:36 2000 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from localhost (wari@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spider.wizoffice.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id KAA26019 for wari@localhost; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:30:36 +0800 Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from pop.wizoffice.com by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.3.0) for wari@localhost (single-drop); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:30:36 +0800 (SGT) Received: (qmail 3984 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2000 02:14:51 - Received: from unknown (HELO wari) (192.168.2.40) by mail-hq03.wizoffice.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2000 02:14:51 - From: "Wari Wahab" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Signed - I am the subject Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:29:26 +0800 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by spider.wizoffice.com id KAA26019 Status: RO Content-Length: 307 Lines: 12 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I am the body. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.1 Int. for non-commercial use http://www.pgpinternational.com iQA/AwUBOVjyhD+8AuzDZXXyEQKl4wCfcxw6Ah3JYbtVM4QS6jRtDAVI6sgAnAjU d/Jmp/udKmCZh5zT5Ok6J+my =ZD5o -END PGP SIGNATURE- From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jun 28 10:32:50 2000 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from localhost (wari@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spider.wizoffice.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id KAA26158 for wari@localhost; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:32:50 +0800 Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from pop.wizoffice.com by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.3.0) for wari@localhost (single-drop); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:32:50 +0800 (SGT) Received: (qmail 4389 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2000 02:17:46 - Received: from unknown (HELO wari) (192.168.2.40) by mail-hq03.wizoffice.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2000 02:17:46 - From: "Wari Wahab" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Signed Attached - I am the subject Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:32:20 +0800 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_NextPart_000__01BFE0EC.2406EAC0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Status: RO Content-Length: 891 Lines: 24 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --=_NextPart_000__01BFE0EC.2406EAC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 LS0tLS1CRUdJTiBQR1AgU0lHTkVEIE1FU1NBR0UtLS0tLQ0KSGFzaDogU0hBMQ0KDQpJIGFtIHRo ZSBib2R5DQoNCi0tLS0tQkVHSU4gUEdQIFNJR05BVFVSRS0tLS0tDQpWZXJzaW9uOiBQR1BmcmVl d2FyZSA2LjUuMSBJbnQuIGZvciBub24tY29tbWVyY2lhbCB1c2UgPGh0dHA6Ly93d3cucGdwaW50 ZXJuYXRpb25hbC5jb20+DQoNCmlRQS9Bd1VCT1Zqek5EKzhBdXpEWlhYeUVRSllKUUNnM0d1UmlF MCt3WkNzbE54enhZZEFFTm5sY3g4QW9MMEUNClNrKzRWcUZ1NXBUbzREU2FjQ1c5RWgwZQ0KPU5J TnQNCi0tLS0tRU5EIFBHUCBTSUdOQVRVUkUtLS0tLQ0K
Re: How to edit a forwared message?
John P. Verel [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: I can't figure out how to foward a message and edit the original message. I'm using emacs -nw as my editor. The forwarded message shows up as an attachment, which I can't figure out how to edit. See the manual regarding mime_forward. -- Jeremy Blosser | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://jblosser.firinn.org/ -+-+-- the crises posed a question / just beneath the skin the virtue in my veins replied / that quitters never win PGP signature
Re: Reply to all???
I though p was for encryting and/or signing options? 'p' makes perfect sense for 'print', etc. They can't be more than one -juan
Re: Reply to all???
fman [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: 'p' makes perfect sense for 'print', etc. They can't be more than one I though p was for encryting and/or signing options? On the compose menu it is. On the index menu it's print by default. -- Jeremy Blosser | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://jblosser.firinn.org/ -+-+-- the crises posed a question / just beneath the skin the virtue in my veins replied / that quitters never win
Re: those users (was Re: Reply to all???)
There is something similar at www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Mutt-GnuPG-PGP-HOWTO.html It focuses mainly on gpg, pgp and mutt working together but it is an easy read. authority, that we as the mutt community need to come up with some Quick Start and "mutt for the impatient" docs, perhaps along the lines of the proposed "mutt for Attorneys" item mentioned recently, to head off some of the questions but also to come up with some more proactive methods of getting this information out. Without going into a drawn-out call for votes or anything silly like that, what does anyone think about How about mailing once a week all the sites that have info on mutt and where to get them. There has got to be more than just mutt.org 's manual, right? Or maybe someone can create start a weekly tutorial that walks you step-by-step on mutt.For instance you can create a list especially for newbies that mail's the a new lesson every week on mutt. Or host it on a site. I guess I could volunteer to dosomething like that, but I think there is an expert on mutt that would do it.
save-hook not working
I've got save-hook =customer.in =archived/customer in my dot-muttrc file. However, when I press 's' while reading a message, or while in the folder index (in customer.in) it guesses at the save file name (based on the From: address). What am I missing? Thanks, jon
Re: Mail-Followup-To and Reply-To
Any comments? -- try my_hdr From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: GnuPG v1.0.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org mQGiBDlYQxYRBACHDSw/JNcmvvZeQQMKq954FHbiyJHyNZ+clwwdFPzIOsxiq3AW r5T1Xk2mPYqF8cQEqUQME8jHGaBUf2ty+zn+C/2In80LzZ3KslY839wRWS0ICbbI rgdEPhBpWL75k+tInP4A5v3zluN4nt6a1/z1GMJXkG9sV1zDg+MY3YMDowCgi++u acxq/0LuNjs6wSTodfXB2CcD/3KDUuqujB6LLwCgXSB+9125UYAQSYklG11hyQ2r 9buRUBXWoMYhxTUEa6PqGzLZOkIVKbYFfufZZVg08HIpOKEcUclM6H9eRHenGBvH UM2f8hpoDg//MfF23lJn805rYa8sLWw6gyJaf62Feln2saUNLOg91ZIi2B7wqDfd jivNA/4x5xWHp5zVS7AoiM9z+x05x8MFAYYOgusm3LxwJ+rbdJdpjBIkCH//gVM1 BM8xP+pYZi6ZKROP8flwnMw7thO5rMHiXNKUS12O3/TRFbPW5XkIMqm5acpmnfnz P8B3Bvj2Mk79ZV/pgJP9uSxmCcqWSM9qqEzUBukzRobSFTkdEbQsSnVhbiBBLiBV cmliZSAoRT1tKmNeMikgPHVyaWJlQGZsYXNoY29tLm5ldD6IWwQTEQIAGwUCOVhD FgUJAeEzgAMLCgMDFQMCAxYCAQIXgAAKCRDOiYR3stUzVQqUAJ9RuqKhG/pOUK6g 4ZuSJDPcWQ0O6gCfSwugDM1yJ4nM48VyPKj4Lb38fGy5Ag0EOVhDvRAIAPZnG934 YPEtm8jktQRNfvTOnKrxnrEkSXIrC5XwwYVdX9gbFp9+GIEKhsZw4YkxzybOj0rY MtgrhlE8wXA7r0FsjcWn9ic0PVa5w5I0QqCEJ3MdbG+kmtABbfMtyEShcxvSyXcH nC+2ZCrCb23SORQMPtytoLIesMeXbpNGjUTnFHw5c/zuDqj4ZJIUK4x9kg7iJB7E e0xwUpJbR08DP8iN6m0VQD9VZ4UgeISuXG6w5JcHusraKuNi0ST9Ck2QD8tOtRoG oAN3l5cb5+VEVEcHGdQHUJT0R7SUVkV8YHMvlc22Ykg4Ftf1F8mb/mN/04ABZQ3w 7fjwrtyYn4oN3P8ABAsIAMthC0WV28BMw7gKqHDCMuuaAk4JmS14yT3h6Gpilrha XhRRLc0t5ZfZmAoJ+vA8ZrXhJykBJQSg6XPsZ7XVOm9grFq2viPUYV6fb4dQnh6t 6S07kpW1x2JIWTkxA/i4As+FDLzBtWu9DXds7EtBPzd41hSwe5g7LOZGV5QYhdov X5tqZuT0Sxntsuh4U1DxCjvVujuJ9L4fDvNqKrGRDqgzaOuv47zUGz35zrLH1quT FjSlojuElepbfWcxCtQr/VL6vHX1ggE/3SXt5cApYNzveRq98bicLKJMuI1k9/6y Q8NIhCbu0cmD2nRGTAh+t3XqMpEUBpKW5C/iTcSy/byITAQYEQIADAUCOVhDvQUJ AeEzgAAKCRDOiYR3stUzVQPJAJwL+nNNnBdQQcvbDa6bO1A/ZcvLpgCdGe6XuIm+ DZF0qQF6DVTFKNCampo= =gask -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-
Re: Yet another FAQ
How do I get started using PGP/GPG with mutt? try http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Mutt-GnuPG-PGP-HOWTO.html them to a good tutorial, or at least give directions including how to generate a key and how to use it. http://www.kuro5hin.org/?op=displaystorysid=2000/5/1/17058/47630 http://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual/book1.html -- -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: GnuPG v1.0.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org mQGiBDlYQxYRBACHDSw/JNcmvvZeQQMKq954FHbiyJHyNZ+clwwdFPzIOsxiq3AW r5T1Xk2mPYqF8cQEqUQME8jHGaBUf2ty+zn+C/2In80LzZ3KslY839wRWS0ICbbI rgdEPhBpWL75k+tInP4A5v3zluN4nt6a1/z1GMJXkG9sV1zDg+MY3YMDowCgi++u acxq/0LuNjs6wSTodfXB2CcD/3KDUuqujB6LLwCgXSB+9125UYAQSYklG11hyQ2r 9buRUBXWoMYhxTUEa6PqGzLZOkIVKbYFfufZZVg08HIpOKEcUclM6H9eRHenGBvH UM2f8hpoDg//MfF23lJn805rYa8sLWw6gyJaf62Feln2saUNLOg91ZIi2B7wqDfd jivNA/4x5xWHp5zVS7AoiM9z+x05x8MFAYYOgusm3LxwJ+rbdJdpjBIkCH//gVM1 BM8xP+pYZi6ZKROP8flwnMw7thO5rMHiXNKUS12O3/TRFbPW5XkIMqm5acpmnfnz P8B3Bvj2Mk79ZV/pgJP9uSxmCcqWSM9qqEzUBukzRobSFTkdEbQsSnVhbiBBLiBV cmliZSAoRT1tKmNeMikgPHVyaWJlQGZsYXNoY29tLm5ldD6IWwQTEQIAGwUCOVhD FgUJAeEzgAMLCgMDFQMCAxYCAQIXgAAKCRDOiYR3stUzVQqUAJ9RuqKhG/pOUK6g 4ZuSJDPcWQ0O6gCfSwugDM1yJ4nM48VyPKj4Lb38fGy5Ag0EOVhDvRAIAPZnG934 YPEtm8jktQRNfvTOnKrxnrEkSXIrC5XwwYVdX9gbFp9+GIEKhsZw4YkxzybOj0rY MtgrhlE8wXA7r0FsjcWn9ic0PVa5w5I0QqCEJ3MdbG+kmtABbfMtyEShcxvSyXcH nC+2ZCrCb23SORQMPtytoLIesMeXbpNGjUTnFHw5c/zuDqj4ZJIUK4x9kg7iJB7E e0xwUpJbR08DP8iN6m0VQD9VZ4UgeISuXG6w5JcHusraKuNi0ST9Ck2QD8tOtRoG oAN3l5cb5+VEVEcHGdQHUJT0R7SUVkV8YHMvlc22Ykg4Ftf1F8mb/mN/04ABZQ3w 7fjwrtyYn4oN3P8ABAsIAMthC0WV28BMw7gKqHDCMuuaAk4JmS14yT3h6Gpilrha XhRRLc0t5ZfZmAoJ+vA8ZrXhJykBJQSg6XPsZ7XVOm9grFq2viPUYV6fb4dQnh6t 6S07kpW1x2JIWTkxA/i4As+FDLzBtWu9DXds7EtBPzd41hSwe5g7LOZGV5QYhdov X5tqZuT0Sxntsuh4U1DxCjvVujuJ9L4fDvNqKrGRDqgzaOuv47zUGz35zrLH1quT FjSlojuElepbfWcxCtQr/VL6vHX1ggE/3SXt5cApYNzveRq98bicLKJMuI1k9/6y Q8NIhCbu0cmD2nRGTAh+t3XqMpEUBpKW5C/iTcSy/byITAQYEQIADAUCOVhDvQUJ AeEzgAAKCRDOiYR3stUzVQPJAJwL+nNNnBdQQcvbDa6bO1A/ZcvLpgCdGe6XuIm+ DZF0qQF6DVTFKNCampo= =gask -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-
Re: PGP program pkspxycwrap not found
On 27-Jun-2000, Hardy Merrill wrote: I recently setup mutt to use PGP 6.5.2, [...] I can't find "pkspxycwrap" anywhere on my system - anyone know what command I should be using to fetch keys? I'm having a similar problem. I just ditched 5.0i and installed 6.5.2. However there are no 'pkspxycwrap' or 'pgpring' command as used in the pgp6.rc sample included with mutt's source. Which version of PGP exactly do the developers use that has pkspxycwrap and pgpring? Ronny
suggestion
The muttfaq says to send suggestions to this list. I suggest someone write a book on how to use mutt. Maybe a small book like those o'reilly pocket references. Mutt is popular enought to deserve one, no? -- -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: GnuPG v1.0.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org mQGiBDlYQxYRBACHDSw/JNcmvvZeQQMKq954FHbiyJHyNZ+clwwdFPzIOsxiq3AW r5T1Xk2mPYqF8cQEqUQME8jHGaBUf2ty+zn+C/2In80LzZ3KslY839wRWS0ICbbI rgdEPhBpWL75k+tInP4A5v3zluN4nt6a1/z1GMJXkG9sV1zDg+MY3YMDowCgi++u acxq/0LuNjs6wSTodfXB2CcD/3KDUuqujB6LLwCgXSB+9125UYAQSYklG11hyQ2r 9buRUBXWoMYhxTUEa6PqGzLZOkIVKbYFfufZZVg08HIpOKEcUclM6H9eRHenGBvH UM2f8hpoDg//MfF23lJn805rYa8sLWw6gyJaf62Feln2saUNLOg91ZIi2B7wqDfd jivNA/4x5xWHp5zVS7AoiM9z+x05x8MFAYYOgusm3LxwJ+rbdJdpjBIkCH//gVM1 BM8xP+pYZi6ZKROP8flwnMw7thO5rMHiXNKUS12O3/TRFbPW5XkIMqm5acpmnfnz P8B3Bvj2Mk79ZV/pgJP9uSxmCcqWSM9qqEzUBukzRobSFTkdEbQsSnVhbiBBLiBV cmliZSAoRT1tKmNeMikgPHVyaWJlQGZsYXNoY29tLm5ldD6IWwQTEQIAGwUCOVhD FgUJAeEzgAMLCgMDFQMCAxYCAQIXgAAKCRDOiYR3stUzVQqUAJ9RuqKhG/pOUK6g 4ZuSJDPcWQ0O6gCfSwugDM1yJ4nM48VyPKj4Lb38fGy5Ag0EOVhDvRAIAPZnG934 YPEtm8jktQRNfvTOnKrxnrEkSXIrC5XwwYVdX9gbFp9+GIEKhsZw4YkxzybOj0rY MtgrhlE8wXA7r0FsjcWn9ic0PVa5w5I0QqCEJ3MdbG+kmtABbfMtyEShcxvSyXcH nC+2ZCrCb23SORQMPtytoLIesMeXbpNGjUTnFHw5c/zuDqj4ZJIUK4x9kg7iJB7E e0xwUpJbR08DP8iN6m0VQD9VZ4UgeISuXG6w5JcHusraKuNi0ST9Ck2QD8tOtRoG oAN3l5cb5+VEVEcHGdQHUJT0R7SUVkV8YHMvlc22Ykg4Ftf1F8mb/mN/04ABZQ3w 7fjwrtyYn4oN3P8ABAsIAMthC0WV28BMw7gKqHDCMuuaAk4JmS14yT3h6Gpilrha XhRRLc0t5ZfZmAoJ+vA8ZrXhJykBJQSg6XPsZ7XVOm9grFq2viPUYV6fb4dQnh6t 6S07kpW1x2JIWTkxA/i4As+FDLzBtWu9DXds7EtBPzd41hSwe5g7LOZGV5QYhdov X5tqZuT0Sxntsuh4U1DxCjvVujuJ9L4fDvNqKrGRDqgzaOuv47zUGz35zrLH1quT FjSlojuElepbfWcxCtQr/VL6vHX1ggE/3SXt5cApYNzveRq98bicLKJMuI1k9/6y Q8NIhCbu0cmD2nRGTAh+t3XqMpEUBpKW5C/iTcSy/byITAQYEQIADAUCOVhDvQUJ AeEzgAAKCRDOiYR3stUzVQPJAJwL+nNNnBdQQcvbDa6bO1A/ZcvLpgCdGe6XuIm+ DZF0qQF6DVTFKNCampo= =gask -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-
Re: suggestion
And mention that a 32 line sig on a 3 line message is a bit excessive :) Shawn Previously, fman wrote: % The muttfaq says to send suggestions to this list. I suggest someone write a % book on how to use mutt. Maybe a small book like those o'reilly pocket % references. Mutt is popular enought to deserve one, no? % -- % -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- % Version: GnuPG v1.0.0 (GNU/Linux) % Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org % % mQGiBDlYQxYRBACHDSw/JNcmvvZeQQMKq954FHbiyJHyNZ+clwwdFPzIOsxiq3AW % r5T1Xk2mPYqF8cQEqUQME8jHGaBUf2ty+zn+C/2In80LzZ3KslY839wRWS0ICbbI % rgdEPhBpWL75k+tInP4A5v3zluN4nt6a1/z1GMJXkG9sV1zDg+MY3YMDowCgi++u % acxq/0LuNjs6wSTodfXB2CcD/3KDUuqujB6LLwCgXSB+9125UYAQSYklG11hyQ2r % 9buRUBXWoMYhxTUEa6PqGzLZOkIVKbYFfufZZVg08HIpOKEcUclM6H9eRHenGBvH % UM2f8hpoDg//MfF23lJn805rYa8sLWw6gyJaf62Feln2saUNLOg91ZIi2B7wqDfd % jivNA/4x5xWHp5zVS7AoiM9z+x05x8MFAYYOgusm3LxwJ+rbdJdpjBIkCH//gVM1 % BM8xP+pYZi6ZKROP8flwnMw7thO5rMHiXNKUS12O3/TRFbPW5XkIMqm5acpmnfnz % P8B3Bvj2Mk79ZV/pgJP9uSxmCcqWSM9qqEzUBukzRobSFTkdEbQsSnVhbiBBLiBV % cmliZSAoRT1tKmNeMikgPHVyaWJlQGZsYXNoY29tLm5ldD6IWwQTEQIAGwUCOVhD % FgUJAeEzgAMLCgMDFQMCAxYCAQIXgAAKCRDOiYR3stUzVQqUAJ9RuqKhG/pOUK6g % 4ZuSJDPcWQ0O6gCfSwugDM1yJ4nM48VyPKj4Lb38fGy5Ag0EOVhDvRAIAPZnG934 % YPEtm8jktQRNfvTOnKrxnrEkSXIrC5XwwYVdX9gbFp9+GIEKhsZw4YkxzybOj0rY % MtgrhlE8wXA7r0FsjcWn9ic0PVa5w5I0QqCEJ3MdbG+kmtABbfMtyEShcxvSyXcH % nC+2ZCrCb23SORQMPtytoLIesMeXbpNGjUTnFHw5c/zuDqj4ZJIUK4x9kg7iJB7E % e0xwUpJbR08DP8iN6m0VQD9VZ4UgeISuXG6w5JcHusraKuNi0ST9Ck2QD8tOtRoG % oAN3l5cb5+VEVEcHGdQHUJT0R7SUVkV8YHMvlc22Ykg4Ftf1F8mb/mN/04ABZQ3w % 7fjwrtyYn4oN3P8ABAsIAMthC0WV28BMw7gKqHDCMuuaAk4JmS14yT3h6Gpilrha % XhRRLc0t5ZfZmAoJ+vA8ZrXhJykBJQSg6XPsZ7XVOm9grFq2viPUYV6fb4dQnh6t % 6S07kpW1x2JIWTkxA/i4As+FDLzBtWu9DXds7EtBPzd41hSwe5g7LOZGV5QYhdov % X5tqZuT0Sxntsuh4U1DxCjvVujuJ9L4fDvNqKrGRDqgzaOuv47zUGz35zrLH1quT % FjSlojuElepbfWcxCtQr/VL6vHX1ggE/3SXt5cApYNzveRq98bicLKJMuI1k9/6y % Q8NIhCbu0cmD2nRGTAh+t3XqMpEUBpKW5C/iTcSy/byITAQYEQIADAUCOVhDvQUJ % AeEzgAAKCRDOiYR3stUzVQPJAJwL+nNNnBdQQcvbDa6bO1A/ZcvLpgCdGe6XuIm+ % DZF0qQF6DVTFKNCampo= % =gask % -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -- 355/113 -- Not the famous irrational number PI, but an incredible simulation!
Re: Qmail and Mutt
On Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 11:46:43AM -0700, Jason Helfman wrote: 3 I guess I make other files like: ~/.qmail-mailbox-mutt ./Maildir/new/mutt/ 4 In mutt:set check_new=yes set mailbox_type=Maildir Using Maildir format means that the mailbox is a directory with subdirs in it: new cur tmp. tmp is used for temporary writing, new contains new (ie unread) messages, cur all the other. qmail provides maildirmake for creating a new Maildir. I do not understand your ./Maildir/new/mutt/ HTH Frank -- Frank Derichsweiler
feature request: delayed delete
i just had an idea for a feature that i think could kick ass. though maybe it is already in place :) i have a mailbox with 3000 messages and the problem is that i keep on leaving stuff there that i think i will need later, but stays there for years. the idea is to delay-delete a message. the idea is to mark a message for deletion, but not delete it for a while. say i set my 'delay-delete' to 14 days. messages i would delete today will actually get removed from my inbox the first time i do an update on my inbox, at or after 14 days from from today (i.e. from the time i deleted them). maybe even being able to set a default delay and a delay per message, possibly allowing to change the delay at a later day would be great. in essence it is like setting an expiration date for messages. when they expire, they get deleted (or perhaps they are sent to some "expired" mailbox. is it feasible at all? herpahs putting some header in the message with delay delete? --carlos
