Re: CISA critical infrastructure letters

2020-03-25 Thread Jeff Shultz
We've been told to make sure we have company ID (which has a photo,
albeit an old one) and a business card on us as well as the letter(s).

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 11:38 AM Tim Požár  wrote:
>
> They are so open ended, they are really useless.  Not sure why they
> didn't issue this with a company affiliation, etc to nail it down to say
> credentials that the person may have with them.
>
> Back in my Broadcast Engineering days, I would get passes issued by the
> local LE such as the SF Police department or as a "Registered Disaster
> Service Worker" issued by the State of California.  Each of these would
> have my name, photo etc.  These were respected and got me through
> numerous police lines in the past.
>
> https://www.lns.com/house/pozar/laminates/
>
> On 3/25/20 11:20 AM, Sean Donelan wrote:
> > The CISA critical infrastructure letters are a courtesy request letter.
> > If people abuse its purpose, local officials do not need to extend any
> > courtesy and can deny access.
> >
> > The CISA letter is only for "providing emergency communications
> > sustainment and restoration support to critical communications
> > infrastructure facilities."
> >
> > It is NOT a general purpose, ignore anything or go anywhere letter.
> >
> > Do NOT abuse the courtesy or no one will extend the courtesy.



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Re: CISA critical infrastructure letters

2020-03-25 Thread Danny McPherson



Indeed, many folks are developing letters summarizing the specific 
company mission, employee role & authorization, and tethering that to 
the DHS access letter(s) with more information to inform / better enable 
anyone that may need to assess.


You should also be aware of any local / state requirements in the 
relevant jurisdictions (e.g., pre-notify some entity of travel _before 
it takes place in a restricted area) - FEMA maintains state re-entry and 
private sector contact information in various regions (with varying 
utility - it seems the ones that have dealt with natural disasters such 
as hurricanes, e.g., Region IV, are better prepared for this at the 
moment - harmonization would be good).


This certainly varies on a country by country basis as well (e.g., some 
require pre-established / vetting of critical role and then issue them 
only to specific individuals when necessary).  Ideally, if applicable 
your folks have already established those relationships in the event 
that they need them.



-danny


On 2020-03-25 15:02, Matt Erculiani wrote:

The letters are not to be confused with hall passes.;they don't even
have an individual's name on it.

They simply outline a federal mandate that already exists to inform
anyone who may not know.

Law enforcement of any area that has implemented "stay at home" or
"shelter in place" should already be briefed on who is permitted to be
out and about.

If you're stopped and have a letter, you may still be asked to
substantiate the critical nature of your trip, just like you would be
if you didn't have one.

-Matt

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 12:54 Scott Weeks 
wrote:


I got these.  One each for travel and fuel.  I could fake
one in 15 minutes or so.  Heck, I could probable find one
online and modify it in less time than that! Because of
that I don't see the usefulness.

scott




Re: CISA critical infrastructure letters

2020-03-25 Thread Ben Cannon
Disaster Service Workers are different - see this link for information on DSWs, 
which are typically Government employees that have had special training and 
swearing-in.  They are not (necessarily) telecom workers but telecom workers 
may be DSWs.

Information on current status of DSWs in CA during this emergency:  
https://www.caloes.ca.gov/cal-oes-divisions/administrative-services/disaster-service-worker-volunteer-program


-Ben Cannon
CEO 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC 
b...@6by7.net <mailto:b...@6by7.net>




> On Mar 25, 2020, at 11:36 AM, Tim Požár  wrote:
> 
> They are so open ended, they are really useless.  Not sure why they didn't 
> issue this with a company affiliation, etc to nail it down to say credentials 
> that the person may have with them.
> 
> Back in my Broadcast Engineering days, I would get passes issued by the local 
> LE such as the SF Police department or as a "Registered Disaster Service 
> Worker" issued by the State of California.  Each of these would have my name, 
> photo etc.  These were respected and got me through numerous police lines in 
> the past.
> 
> https://www.lns.com/house/pozar/laminates/
> 
> On 3/25/20 11:20 AM, Sean Donelan wrote:
>> The CISA critical infrastructure letters are a courtesy request letter. If 
>> people abuse its purpose, local officials do not need to extend any courtesy 
>> and can deny access.
>> The CISA letter is only for "providing emergency communications sustainment 
>> and restoration support to critical communications infrastructure 
>> facilities."
>> It is NOT a general purpose, ignore anything or go anywhere letter.
>> Do NOT abuse the courtesy or no one will extend the courtesy.



Re: CISA critical infrastructure letters

2020-03-25 Thread Todd Underwood
However, if you are stopped and don't have a letter, you're much more
likely to trigger the "bozo making stuff up" detector and get sent home.

Virtually no one stops to print out a weird document on their way to buy
beer.

I'm aware of security guards and telecom techs who have been sent home for
not having these documents in 'shelter in place' jurisdictions.

t

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 3:04 PM Matt Erculiani  wrote:

> The letters are not to be confused with hall passes.;they don't even have
> an individual's name on it.
>
> They simply outline a federal mandate that already exists to inform anyone
> who may not know.
>
> Law enforcement of any area that has implemented "stay at home" or
> "shelter in place" should already be briefed on who is permitted to be out
> and about.
>
> If you're stopped and have a letter, you may still be asked to
> substantiate the critical nature of your trip, just like you would be if
> you didn't have one.
>
> -Matt
>
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 12:54 Scott Weeks  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I got these.  One each for travel and fuel.  I could fake
>> one in 15 minutes or so.  Heck, I could probable find one
>> online and modify it in less time than that! Because of
>> that I don't see the usefulness.
>>
>> scott
>>
>


Re: CISA critical infrastructure letters

2020-03-25 Thread Matt Erculiani
The letters are not to be confused with hall passes.;they don't even have
an individual's name on it.

They simply outline a federal mandate that already exists to inform anyone
who may not know.

Law enforcement of any area that has implemented "stay at home" or "shelter
in place" should already be briefed on who is permitted to be out and about.

If you're stopped and have a letter, you may still be asked to substantiate
the critical nature of your trip, just like you would be if you didn't have
one.

-Matt

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 12:54 Scott Weeks  wrote:

>
>
> I got these.  One each for travel and fuel.  I could fake
> one in 15 minutes or so.  Heck, I could probable find one
> online and modify it in less time than that! Because of
> that I don't see the usefulness.
>
> scott
>


Re: CISA critical infrastructure letters

2020-03-25 Thread Scott Weeks



I got these.  One each for travel and fuel.  I could fake
one in 15 minutes or so.  Heck, I could probable find one 
online and modify it in less time than that! Because of 
that I don't see the usefulness.

scott


Re: CISA critical infrastructure letters

2020-03-25 Thread Sean Donelan



Proper planning prevents piss poor performance.

“You go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish 
to have at a later time.”



When someone does the after-action report, that will need to be a topic 
then.  Right now, we've need to work with what we've got.




On Wed, 25 Mar 2020, Tim Požár wrote:
They are so open ended, they are really useless.  Not sure why they didn't 
issue this with a company affiliation, etc to nail it down to say credentials 
that the person may have with them.


Re: CISA critical infrastructure letters

2020-03-25 Thread Tim Požár
They are so open ended, they are really useless.  Not sure why they 
didn't issue this with a company affiliation, etc to nail it down to say 
credentials that the person may have with them.


Back in my Broadcast Engineering days, I would get passes issued by the 
local LE such as the SF Police department or as a "Registered Disaster 
Service Worker" issued by the State of California.  Each of these would 
have my name, photo etc.  These were respected and got me through 
numerous police lines in the past.


https://www.lns.com/house/pozar/laminates/

On 3/25/20 11:20 AM, Sean Donelan wrote:
The CISA critical infrastructure letters are a courtesy request letter. 
If people abuse its purpose, local officials do not need to extend any 
courtesy and can deny access.


The CISA letter is only for "providing emergency communications 
sustainment and restoration support to critical communications 
infrastructure facilities."


It is NOT a general purpose, ignore anything or go anywhere letter.

Do NOT abuse the courtesy or no one will extend the courtesy.


CISA critical infrastructure letters

2020-03-25 Thread Sean Donelan



The CISA critical infrastructure letters are a courtesy request letter. 
If people abuse its purpose, local officials do not need to extend any 
courtesy and can deny access.


The CISA letter is only for "providing emergency communications 
sustainment and restoration support to critical communications 
infrastructure facilities."


It is NOT a general purpose, ignore anything or go anywhere letter.

Do NOT abuse the courtesy or no one will extend the courtesy.