Re: [neonixie-l] High Shipping on Cheap Tubes

[Nick Andrews]

Even at 10% would still be a ripoff!

Looks like my 'predator' EIL displays will get here early, next week!

On Fri, Apr 26, 2024 at 12:33 PM Mac Doktor  wrote:

> Do you suppose this is a typo?
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/364861847370
>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Anyone want to collaborate on electroluminescent display projects ?

[Nick Andrews]

Okay, so after realizing my search parameters were off, I found and bought
10 of the same 'Predator" style EL displays.  Supposed to be here in 5 or
so weeks...  So I'll be interested.

On Fri, Apr 5, 2024 at 2:55 AM Michail Wilson  wrote:

> That is the type of burn in I have experienced as well.
>
> Not just on the small one you have, but on the various sizes.
>
>
>
> Michail Wilson
>
> 206-920-6312
>
>
>
> *From:* neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  *On
> Behalf Of *gregebert
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 2, 2024 11:23 AM
> *To:* neonixie-l 
> *Subject:* Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Anyone want to collaborate on
> electroluminescent display projects ?
>
>
>
> There are some on Ebay right now (I have no affiliation with the seller).
> Do a  search for IEL-0. I suggest shopping around for awhile to get the
> best price. I'm a bit nervous about the IEL-0-IV displays. After 10 days of
> basic testing, my test device has noticeable burning, though I cant confirm
> if the luminous output has dropped. I need to build a photometer and do
> more testing. Prior to using it, the entire screen was the same color.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 2, 2024 at 8:46:06 AM UTC-7 Nick Andrews wrote:
>
> Has anyone seen any of these for sale in the last few years?  I'd be
> interested in the project if I had some!
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 1, 2024, 5:24 PM gregebert  wrote:
>
> Right now it looks like there will be 3 different PCB's: One for the HV
> power supply, one for a single I-95, and another for 2-4 IEL-0-IV (I havn't
> sized the board yet, but it needs to be less than 4" per side). I use a
> modular design approach, and everything is connected with a 10-pin
> ribbon-cable serial bus I call IOLINK. So if you are willing to adapt your
> favorite controller to the IOLINK interface, which uses 12V signalling (2
> inputs, 5 outputs), these boards will be workable for you.
>
> On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 7:59:59 AM UTC-7 Keith Moore wrote:
>
> I am interested but not much help with the design. I'd love to use my
> displays though.
>
> On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 1:43:24 PM UTC-4 gregebert wrote:
>
> I'm finally at the point I have time to work on a design for my Soviet-era
> electroluminescent displays. I have 2 types, the smaller IEL-0-IV, and a
> much larger I-195. Both are the 'alien' style formats, and will make
> unusual clocks.
>
>
>
> I have done some very initial testing on the smaller one, and it appears
> to be burning the phosphor after just a few hours of usage. It's not lit
> very bright, so I dont know if this is a common burn-in phase, or not.
> Documentation is pretty limited, and I've been running a 50-page document
> page-by-page thru google translate; so far nothing has come up regarding
> burn-in.
>
>
>
> If anyone out there is working-on IEL's, or planning-to do so, please
> chime in so we can start a discussion here.
>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: NEW CD46

[Nick Andrews]

Maybe.  Money laundering...

On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 7:47 AM Paul Andrews  wrote:

> And they sold...
>
> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 12:50:24 PM UTC-4 Adam Piórko wrote:
>
>> Miracle or a clash with reality?
>>
>> new price: EUR 5,000.00
>>
>> wtorek, 9 kwietnia 2024 o 00:06:40 UTC+2 liam bartosiewicz napisał(a):
>>
>>> When the cost of a six digit clock can be measured in Jeff Bezos minutes
>>> then there’s probably an issue with the pricing
>>>
>>> On Apr 8, 2024, at 7:57 AM, Nicholas Stock  wrote:
>>>
>>> Prohibitive is not the word I would use 藍
>>>
>>>
>>> Aspirational? Crazy? Insane?
>>>
>>> I know there's some inflation going on but this is ridiculous
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 8, 2024, at 07:43, Paul Andrews  wrote:
>>>
>>> !!!
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 8, 2024 at 10:03:09 AM UTC-4 Adam Piórko wrote:
>>>
 The price is prohibitive. I wonder when they will sell...

 https://www.ebay.de/itm/296351287168

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Large weird round panaplex

[Nick Andrews]

I found that one too.  Makes sense to me.  Would be cool if used in a movie
as a directional indicator when following a target, like a tracked vehicle
or package, versus the absurd fancy displays they usually come up with.

On Fri, Apr 12, 2024 at 10:58 AM n1ist  wrote:

> According to https://lampes-et-tubes.info/cd/cd167.php?l=e it is for a
> VOR/Localizer display for avionics
>
>
> On Friday, April 12, 2024 at 11:36:50 AM UTC-4 Nick Andrews wrote:
>
>> Never seen or heard about this one before.
>>
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/276389569367?mkcid=16=1=711-127632-2357-0=AkFpft62ST6=2047675=9S4jfnnKS4i_ver=artemis=COPY
>>
>> Anyone heard of this or have one?
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[neonixie-l] Large weird round panaplex

[Nick Andrews]

Never seen or heard about this one before.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/276389569367?mkcid=16=1=711-127632-2357-0=AkFpft62ST6=2047675=9S4jfnnKS4i_ver=artemis=COPY

Anyone heard of this or have one?

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Re: [neonixie-l] More High Prices

[Nick Andrews]

I'm seeing it at $38.62 which still seems high to me for one...

On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 12:33 PM Mac Doktor  wrote:

> https://www.ebay.com/itm/335341009588
>
>
> Is it just me or is $140 pretty steep for a common (and untested) EM84
> magic eye tube?
>
> The whole thing strikes me as weird. The description is...creative. He has
> 16,528 items and most of them are the same price regardless of what they
> are. Something just doesn't add up.
>
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Re: [neonixie-l] whats the life of the Burroughs HB-106

[Nick Andrews]

Don't waste MOTs!  They are getting hard to find and are quite useful.
 You can use them for hv power supplies,  spot welders,  etc.

On Sat, Apr 6, 2024, 11:08 AM gregebert  wrote:

> Ever since I got a clearly marked 5031 nixie, I assumed the others with
> the same shape with no visible marking were also 5031's but there
> apparently are other numbers such as 6844 and HB-106.
>
> I too have several dead ones, and I often wondered if they had been
> circulating in Ebay-land as untested devices. I knew the risk when I bought
> them.
>
> I have tried to rehab them, with zero success. The ones that are dark cant
> be coaxed to glow even at 500 volts; others have partially-glowing cathodes
> or glowing only on the bondwires. As best I can tell, the gas is
> compromised. I suspect that since these were early-production devices the
> glass-to-metal seal was not nearly as good as later devices. A few have
> darkened interiors, which is probably sputtered material due to a lack of
> mercury; of those, some still have a slight orange glow.
>
> In hindsight, I should have tried zapping them in a discarded microwave
> oven I found last week, just to see if anything is in there. BTW, there
> were a few things I scrapped from the microwave, but I made sure the deadly
> MOT was recycled.
> On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 9:31:49 PM UTC-7 liam bartosiewicz wrote:
>
>> Fairly certain that all HB-106’s are standard life. You could probably
>> get somewhere around 10,000 hours with a “new” one.
>>
>> > On Apr 5, 2024, at 7:55 PM, David  wrote:
>> >
>> > The truly long-life tubes had mercury added. If you see a hazy purple
>> glow when the tube is lit, it's long life. Solid orange is not so long
>> life.
>> >
>> >
>> > David Forbes, Tucson AZ
>> >
>> >> On Apr 5, 2024, at 6:45 PM, Jasper nagle 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> i picked 9 of these up for $90 $10 a pcs for A clock project, and
>> iv'e tried searching all the data sheets about them the most i can find is
>> one stating long life, but long life in 1955 i would assume wouldn't
>> compare well to like a 1960 one ?
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Re: [neonixie-l] Replacing vintage AC cord

[Nick Andrews]

If you want a permanently attached cord,  you could cut the rectangular end
off an IEC cord and install it with the strain relief.

The fuse holder should be easy to find.

On Fri, Apr 5, 2024, 3:51 PM Mac Doktor  wrote:

> Thanks to everyone who replied, here or privately. I have a lot to
> consider now.
>
>
> On Apr 5, 2024, at 12:13 PM, gregebert  wrote:
>
> I've had battles with some of the strain-reliefs in the past. If they dont
> break coming out, they often will when going back in so best to get some
> spares if you can.
>
>
> This one survived. It came out surprisingly easily.
>
>
> I'm not sure who adopted the IEC power connectors first, but they deserve
> a Nobel prize in my opinion.
>
>
> I've laid in a supply of the earlier cords with the funky connector. The
> ones uses by HP etc. They work well but they're getting pretty scare and
> it's really hard to find ones with the polarity "un-reversed". And then
> there are the sockets that have broken. The insulator is a flimsy piece of
> phenolic.
>
> The less said about CD jewel cases the better. The most in-your-face
> obsolescent thing ever foisted on the public.
>
>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Anyone want to collaborate on electroluminescent display projects ?

[Nick Andrews]

Has anyone seen any of these for sale in the last few years?  I'd be
interested in the project if I had some!

On Mon, Apr 1, 2024, 5:24 PM gregebert  wrote:

> Right now it looks like there will be 3 different PCB's: One for the HV
> power supply, one for a single I-95, and another for 2-4 IEL-0-IV (I havn't
> sized the board yet, but it needs to be less than 4" per side). I use a
> modular design approach, and everything is connected with a 10-pin
> ribbon-cable serial bus I call IOLINK. So if you are willing to adapt your
> favorite controller to the IOLINK interface, which uses 12V signalling (2
> inputs, 5 outputs), these boards will be workable for you.
>
> On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 7:59:59 AM UTC-7 Keith Moore wrote:
>
>> I am interested but not much help with the design. I'd love to use my
>> displays though.
>>
>> On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 1:43:24 PM UTC-4 gregebert wrote:
>>
>>> I'm finally at the point I have time to work on a design for my
>>> Soviet-era electroluminescent displays. I have 2 types, the smaller
>>> IEL-0-IV, and a much larger I-195. Both are the 'alien' style formats, and
>>> will make unusual clocks.
>>>
>>> I have done some very initial testing on the smaller one, and it appears
>>> to be burning the phosphor after just a few hours of usage. It's not lit
>>> very bright, so I dont know if this is a common burn-in phase, or not.
>>> Documentation is pretty limited, and I've been running a 50-page document
>>> page-by-page thru google translate; so far nothing has come up regarding
>>> burn-in.
>>>
>>> If anyone out there is working-on IEL's, or planning-to do so, please
>>> chime in so we can start a discussion here.
>>>
>>> [image: electrolum.jpg]
>>>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Today's eBay Bargain

[Nick Andrews]

And more insanity?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/256454150888?mkcid=16=1=711-127632-2357-0=nCq7TSpgRJ6=2047675=9S4jfnnKS4i_ver=artemis=COPY



On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 3:12 AM Adam Piórko  wrote:

> The prices of both IN14 and NL7037 are insane.
>
> I'm keeping an eye on the NL7037 listing - the seller has already lowered
> the price...
>
>
> środa, 20 marca 2024 o 01:10:27 UTC+1 Nicholas Stock napisał(a):
>
>> At least it's an actual nixie tube and not one of the plethora of 'Nixie'
>> clocks using edge lit acrylic.
>>
>> However, that price is insanity... as is this NL7037...
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/134955060322
>>
>> Each to their own though...
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 5:03 PM d4myli  wrote:
>>
>>> Stupid seller using his kid’s hand
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> *From:* Mac Doktor 
>>> *Date:* Wed, Mar 20, 2024 1:13 AM
>>> *To:* neonixie-l 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [neonixie-l] Today's eBay Bargain
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/375319887308?itmmeta=01HSBR7DTV6BF98VJD376C88H3
>>>
>>>
>>> Biggest IN-14 I've ever seen and the price is equally huge.
>>>
>>> It *does* have the plastic thing on it. That's got to be worth at least
>>> fifteen dollars.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
>>> "The Mac Doctor"
>>>
>>> https://www.astarcloseup.com
>>>
>>> "There is no Main Street anymore except at Disneyland—and try and buy a
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Re: [neonixie-l] The new guy

[Nick Andrews]

Hmm, not seeing either one of those auctions.

On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 2:34 PM Peter Hall  wrote:

> Were you talking about this Auction,that was just put up?
>
> FromPeter Hall insidiousnixies輦Utube
>
> On 16 Feb 2024 3:48 am, Nick Andrews  wrote:
>
> I saw that auction and was considering one or two of them.  They are
> unusual.  No practical use for them now, but along with decathlon they are
> interesting.  Although I do have a decatron counter that is very cool.
>
> On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 1:23 PM Thomas Lund 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the welcome..
> I'm also the guy who has a few e1t tubes, and not enough time/skills to
> put them into use, I looked at your clocks , they are really something,
> hope I someday can build something like that.
>
>
> torsdag den 15. februar 2024 kl. 20.03.17 UTC+1 skrev Nicholas Stock:
>
> Welcome aboard Thomas!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Nick
>
> On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 11:02 AM Thomas Lund  wrote:
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> Hello.
> I'm the new guy here, I have interest in electronics, like diy audio,
> solid state, and as I get more mature (read old) tube audio.
> I inherited a large pile of tubes which sparked the interest, in the pile
> were also various nixie tubes, and I remembered my parents old radio it had
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Re: [neonixie-l] The new guy

[Nick Andrews]

I saw that auction and was considering one or two of them.  They are
unusual.  No practical use for them now, but along with decathlon they are
interesting.  Although I do have a decatron counter that is very cool.

On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 1:23 PM Thomas Lund 
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> Thanks for the welcome..
> I'm also the guy who has a few e1t tubes, and not enough time/skills to
> put them into use, I looked at your clocks , they are really something,
> hope I someday can build something like that.
>
>
> torsdag den 15. februar 2024 kl. 20.03.17 UTC+1 skrev Nicholas Stock:
>
>> Welcome aboard Thomas!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 11:02 AM Thomas Lund 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello.
>>> I'm the new guy here, I have interest in electronics, like diy audio,
>>> solid state, and as I get more mature (read old) tube audio.
>>> I inherited a large pile of tubes which sparked the interest, in the
>>> pile were also various nixie tubes, and I remembered my parents old radio
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[neonixie-l] INIXIE order

[Nick Andrews]

Well, I finally got my order in for two of the development kits.  I had to
email them about it, as it was stuck somewhere in China and they sent a
second one.  No extra tubes like some lucky folks got but these both work
and look nice.  Now, the hard part will be to make time to do something
with them!  I should download all the files to a USB stick and put in the
box in case it disappears from Github...

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Re: [neonixie-l] https://www.ebay.com/itm/126304575885?customid=10050

[Nick Andrews]

Ebay search is weird.  If you search the exact same terms on different
computers at the same time, you'll get different results.  Or on phone.
I'm sick of getting the daily search results and seeing things I want
listed starting at $1.00 but then ebay cannot find the listing.

On Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 12:20 AM Peter Hall  wrote:

> Whats weird is,he's a Saved seller, on my Ebay list and I never saw
> this..Went too his Ebay shop and still couldnt,see Add..The only way, I bid
> on this,was on your link..Hey is worth it,for 1tube,the rest is a redecal
> job,from insta print...
> Ebay--truly a magical place..
>
>
>
> FromPeter Hall insidiousnixies輦Utube
>
> On 29 Jan 2024 1:45 pm, Jasper nagle  wrote:
>
> alright just relook the seller has put them down to 50$ so i guess org
> price was a mistake
>
> On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 1:09:33 PM UTC+8 Jasper nagle wrote:
>
> 藍藍
>
> On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 at 12:29 pm, Peter Hall  wrote:
>
> Unusual for him.. Usually he's okAnyhow,good news I have 6x ET1s for
> $500ea Brand New and Refurbished Twice!! Buy my mum..
> No Offers..  LoL 
>
> FromPeter Hall insidiousnixies輦Utube
>
> On 29 Jan 2024 11:14 am, Jasper nagle  wrote:
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> this guy been smokin some sheet 藍藍藍
> let me know if im wrong but that is absurdly over price for the quantity
> and condition of those tubes
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Re: [neonixie-l] DGM01 Flat-top Tube

[Nick Andrews]

Well, my order was shipped Dec 28 but no sign of it yet.  It was still in
China somewhere so I emailed them and got a very quick response that there
is a shipping issue and they would take care of it.  So, keeping my fingers
crossed!

On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 9:51 AM Nick Andrews  wrote:

> That's great news!  I just ordered a couple for myself.
>
> On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 7:37 AM Peter Hall  wrote:
>
>> Yes thankyou..Had email asking if I had problemsThats great Mate...I
>> must admit,I am very impressed with,quick actions...As we all know,its no
>> easy thing, starting a new business.Especialy trieing and being successful
>> in makeing Nixie Tubes..You get a 10 outta 10 from me.Keep it up..輦
>>
>> FromPeter Hall insidiousnixies輦Utube
>>
>> On 21 Dec 2023 11:07 am, dudu sa  wrote:
>>
>> Hello Peter, we have received feedback from our customers that the tubes
>> produced in the first week of November may have some faults. The tubes you
>> received may have been produced in this week, and we found that the
>> potentiometer of the constant current circuit of the aging equipment had
>> loosened, which led to the uneven aging of some tubes and thus some
>> problems. We are sorry that you have received unqualified tubes due to our
>> mistake, we will send you new tubes as a replacement within the next week.
>>
>> 在2023年12月21日星期四 UTC+8 10:18:41 写道：
>>
>> Don't forget,theres free shipping as well.. Unfortunately my round
>> top,there Number 8 is already got burn..saw it a little, on first start up
>> and now after 10 hours,the picture saws it all.
>>
>> FromPeter Hall insidiousnixies輦Utube
>> On 21 Dec 2023 9:56 am, Zachary  wrote:
>>
>> The tube (rounded top) + dev board kit is on sale right now at around
>> $122USD on their website https://inixielab.com/products/dgm01-tube-kit
>>
>> During the initial Kickstarter sale the price (for tube + board) was
>> $110USD so it's not too far off
>> On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 12:35:42 PM UTC-5 Nick Andrews wrote:
>>
>> I must've missed this auction.  Is that $99 for just one tube or is that
>> with the dev board shown in the unboxing video?  Tubes look really nice.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 6:14 PM Peter Hall  wrote:
>>
>> I got my package yesterday as well and yes there was a xtra bulb...I
>> think it was one off there prototypes,the flat top...The other Bulb had a
>> bit off -burn already on the number 8h..and thats there good
>> tube..But it was only $169australian+free shipping for 1bulb and
>> development kit+..Which is premade,ready too go
>>
>> FromPeter Hall insidiousnixies輦Utube
>>
>> On 20 Dec 2023 5:43 am, Zachary  wrote:
>>
>> https://youtu.be/ZIcAChTeR7o?si=VVGaX_ffpmNDrcbT
>>
>> [image: vlcsnap-2023-12-19-16h32m05s901.png]
>>
>> I just received my DGM01 kit by iNixie in the mail and they told me by
>> email beforehand that they'd give me an extra tube out of courtesy because
>> of shipping difficulties. To my surprise, turns out the extra tube they
>> gave me is a flat-top tube with weird purple pins inside the glass.
>>
>> I don't think it's a prototype because the SN number on the back is very
>> high (or maybe it is, I don't know). I think it's either an unfinished tube
>> that wasn't rounded (which is cool with me, I think it looks good) or maybe
>> one made from the end of the pyrex glass tubes they use? Anyway I think it
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Re: [neonixie-l] DGM01 Flat-top Tube

[Nick Andrews]

That's great news!  I just ordered a couple for myself.

On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 7:37 AM Peter Hall  wrote:

> Yes thankyou..Had email asking if I had problemsThats great Mate...I
> must admit,I am very impressed with,quick actions...As we all know,its no
> easy thing, starting a new business.Especialy trieing and being successful
> in makeing Nixie Tubes..You get a 10 outta 10 from me.Keep it up..輦
>
> FromPeter Hall insidiousnixies輦Utube
>
> On 21 Dec 2023 11:07 am, dudu sa  wrote:
>
> Hello Peter, we have received feedback from our customers that the tubes
> produced in the first week of November may have some faults. The tubes you
> received may have been produced in this week, and we found that the
> potentiometer of the constant current circuit of the aging equipment had
> loosened, which led to the uneven aging of some tubes and thus some
> problems. We are sorry that you have received unqualified tubes due to our
> mistake, we will send you new tubes as a replacement within the next week.
>
> 在2023年12月21日星期四 UTC+8 10:18:41 写道：
>
> Don't forget,theres free shipping as well.. Unfortunately my round
> top,there Number 8 is already got burn..saw it a little, on first start up
> and now after 10 hours,the picture saws it all.
>
> FromPeter Hall insidiousnixies輦Utube
> On 21 Dec 2023 9:56 am, Zachary  wrote:
>
> The tube (rounded top) + dev board kit is on sale right now at around
> $122USD on their website https://inixielab.com/products/dgm01-tube-kit
>
> During the initial Kickstarter sale the price (for tube + board) was
> $110USD so it's not too far off
> On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 12:35:42 PM UTC-5 Nick Andrews wrote:
>
> I must've missed this auction.  Is that $99 for just one tube or is that
> with the dev board shown in the unboxing video?  Tubes look really nice.
>
> On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 6:14 PM Peter Hall  wrote:
>
> I got my package yesterday as well and yes there was a xtra bulb...I think
> it was one off there prototypes,the flat top...The other Bulb had a bit off
> -burn already on the number 8h..and thats there good tube..But it
> was only $169australian+free shipping for 1bulb and development kit+..Which
> is premade,ready too go
>
> FromPeter Hall insidiousnixies輦Utube
>
> On 20 Dec 2023 5:43 am, Zachary  wrote:
>
> https://youtu.be/ZIcAChTeR7o?si=VVGaX_ffpmNDrcbT
>
> [image: vlcsnap-2023-12-19-16h32m05s901.png]
>
> I just received my DGM01 kit by iNixie in the mail and they told me by
> email beforehand that they'd give me an extra tube out of courtesy because
> of shipping difficulties. To my surprise, turns out the extra tube they
> gave me is a flat-top tube with weird purple pins inside the glass.
>
> I don't think it's a prototype because the SN number on the back is very
> high (or maybe it is, I don't know). I think it's either an unfinished tube
> that wasn't rounded (which is cool with me, I think it looks good) or maybe
> one made from the end of the pyrex glass tubes they use? Anyway I think it
> looks great.
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Re: [neonixie-l] Flip Disc Clock and Controller

[Nick Andrews]

Pretty cool.  Reminds me of the old flip displays used in airport boards or
currently in products like the Vestaboard ($!).  The TWA Hotel at JFK
airport built in the old TWA terminal building still has their two original
boards which are really cool.

On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 2:51 PM Nicholas Stock  wrote:

> Thanks for that Shaun, Marcin's projects are always fun and interesting.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Nick
>
> On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 11:50 AM Shaun Merrigan <
> materialsguy2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> Just received an email from Marcin Saj about his new project involving
>> Flip Disc displays.  He has everything from bare displays to prototyping
>> boards to complete clock kits available on Kickstarter:
>>
>>
>> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/marcinsaj/flip-disc-displays-arduino-based?ref=ksr_email_user_watched_project_launched
>>
>> Looks interesting and cool!
>>
>> Shaun M.
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Re: [neonixie-l] DGM01 Flat-top Tube

[Nick Andrews]

I must've missed this auction.  Is that $99 for just one tube or is that
with the dev board shown in the unboxing video?  Tubes look really nice.

On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 6:14 PM Peter Hall  wrote:

> I got my package yesterday as well and yes there was a xtra bulb...I think
> it was one off there prototypes,the flat top...The other Bulb had a bit off
> -burn already on the number 8h..and thats there good tube..But it
> was only $169australian+free shipping for 1bulb and development kit+..Which
> is premade,ready too go
>
> FromPeter Hall insidiousnixies輦Utube
>
> On 20 Dec 2023 5:43 am, Zachary  wrote:
>
> https://youtu.be/ZIcAChTeR7o?si=VVGaX_ffpmNDrcbT
>
> [image: vlcsnap-2023-12-19-16h32m05s901.png]
>
> I just received my DGM01 kit by iNixie in the mail and they told me by
> email beforehand that they'd give me an extra tube out of courtesy because
> of shipping difficulties. To my surprise, turns out the extra tube they
> gave me is a flat-top tube with weird purple pins inside the glass.
>
> I don't think it's a prototype because the SN number on the back is very
> high (or maybe it is, I don't know). I think it's either an unfinished tube
> that wasn't rounded (which is cool with me, I think it looks good) or maybe
> one made from the end of the pyrex glass tubes they use? Anyway I think it
> looks great.
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Re: [neonixie-l] DTF104B Tubes For Sale

[Nick Andrews]

Hmm, haven't done anything with the ones I bought before, but more is
better, right?  Lemme think about it...

On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 4:00 PM Nicholas Stock  wrote:

> Hi folks, if there are any more people who want to buy new, tested DTF104B
> tubes at the previous price ($22 each), please send me an email.
>
> Cheers,
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Re: [neonixie-l] Test

[Nick Andrews]

-icle!

On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 11:59 AM 'neonixie-l' via neonixie-l <
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> Test
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Seen these before?

[Nick Andrews]

Yes,  it's idiotic.  Pretty much any time I hear some fool comment "gas is
4.99 there" I have to say no,  it's five bucks.

On Tue, Aug 22, 2023, 10:57 AM gregebert  wrote:

> The joke here in the US is that gasoline has been priced at  xxx.9 cents
> per gallon for as long as I can remember, which makes the ".9" financially
> meaningless, though it's believed by marketing dorks that there is a
> perception that a gallon of gas costing 4.999 is a lot cheaper than 5.00 .
>
> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 1:29:52 AM UTC-7 Jon wrote:
>
>> Guessing they might've been used in petrol (gasoline) pump price
>> displays? I have a childhood memory of watching what I now know to be a
>> numitron display on the pump with a 1/2 oscillating on and off as the total
>> mounted. Back when a 1/2p was actually a relevant concept with a physical
>> coin too...
>>
>> Jon.
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 3:02:39 AM UTC+1 Nicholas Stock wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 20230821_164810.jpg]
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Spark arrestors?

[Nick Andrews]

Am I reading that right, <5.5MBq in each tube?  I have a couple of old
spark gap tubes with Cs-137 in them used to calibrate isotope identifiers I
have but being WWII vintage, likely not a uniform amount in each tube was
used.  A pint spot on inside of the glass, but gas is likely easier to fill
more uniformly piece to piece.

On Sat, Jun 24, 2023 at 11:56 PM Mac Doktor  wrote:

>
> On Jun 25, 2023, at 12:21 AM, Nick Andrews  wrote:
>
> Interesting.   Bigger ones used in what?  I have a box somewhere with old
> railroad lightning assessors.
>
>
> I was looking at these:
> https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804108987619.html
>
>
> Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
> "The Mac Doctor"
>
> https://www.astarcloseup.com
>
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> of them. A few trickle through the system with their wonder and enthusiasm
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Re: [neonixie-l] Spark arrestors?

[Nick Andrews]

Ooh, barely $108 each!

On Sat, Jun 24, 2023 at 11:56 PM Mac Doktor  wrote:

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> On Jun 25, 2023, at 12:21 AM, Nick Andrews  wrote:
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> railroad lightning assessors.
>
>
> I was looking at these:
> https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804108987619.html
>
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>
> https://www.astarcloseup.com
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Re: [neonixie-l] Spark arrestors?

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Interesting.   Bigger ones used in what?  I have a box somewhere with old
railroad lightning assessors.

On Sat, Jun 24, 2023, 7:30 PM Mac Doktor  wrote:

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> On Jun 24, 2023, at 7:17 PM, Audrey  wrote:
>
> Hi, I found this listing online, definitely a spark arrestor.
> https://a.aliexpress.com/_mNkJM9O
>
>
> Is the cylinder in the middle an insulator? That would make sense.
>
> I really like the bigger ones. They contain Tritium.
>
>
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> "The Mac Doctor"
>
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[neonixie-l] seller on ebay

[Nick Andrews]

Anyone bought any neon signs or anything from neon_master_usa on ebay?  I
bought a sign from them March 2 and it has not arrived and they do not seem
to respond to messages.

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Re: [neonixie-l] Surplus electronics stores in Austin or San Antonio TX

[Nick Andrews]

I haven't found any here yet but haven't seriously looked.  Been here
almost 6 years!  Been too busy.  Even with the military history here, no
national labs means not quite the same market as other parts of the
country.  I still need to find a good metals dealer and welding gas
supplier.  Gonna need some liquid nitrogen to test an HPGE detector at some
point too...

On Wed, May 24, 2023 at 4:05 PM David Forbes  wrote:

> Hi. I'll be there soon. Are there any interesting places to find old
> electronics?
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Seriously? This is out of control on ebay

[Nick Andrews]

At least it's cheap if you wanted to play with trying repairs!  But yeah.

On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 10:20 AM RikD  wrote:

> this one  is even worse IMHO...
>
>
> https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/134575973710?mkevt=1=0=e11021.m43.l1120=7=osgood=10e163e9316a443897559462e5627876=43139763080=RU=0=0=-1%7E1=20230518075645=11021
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> Op donderdag 18 mei 2023 om 16:34:41 UTC+2 schreef Nick Andrews:
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/185902284039?mkevt=1=0=e11021.m43.l3160=7=osgood=b10ab9f3379946c388664ea9b51afe3c=43189870757=RU=0=0=-1%7E1=20230518011652=11021
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[neonixie-l] Seriously? This is out of control on ebay

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Nixie car gauges

[Nick Andrews]

Or just install a rotating license plate.  But I guess that was really only
standard in an Aston Martin...

On Sun, May 14, 2023, 11:11 AM Cqr  wrote:

> Fabulous!
>
> If I ever do that I plan to have an IN13 as a progress meter for 0-60
> timed runs in there somewhere 
>
> An average speed mode ( with a “start averaging now” button ) would be
> great for some of the stretches of motorway that have average speed cameras
> here in the uk too.
>
> Cheers,
> Robin.
>
> On 13 May 2023, at 22:45, J Forbes  wrote:
>
> 
> when it was in the corvair
>
>
> https://hackaday.com/2022/02/18/retro-future-nixie-corvair-instrument-panel/
>
>
> On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 1:04:36 PM UTC-7 Dekatron42 wrote:
>
>> Photos please! I absolutely love the idea!!
>>
>> I wish I owned a PV544 (or a PV444 with split windows).
>>
>> /Martin
>>
>> On Saturday, 13 May 2023 at 19:32:46 UTC+2 David Forbes wrote:
>>
>>> I built a Nixie tube instrument panel for my Corvair a couple of years
>>> ago. It's a big PC board with a couple dozen 4998 and 5870 tubes, with a
>>> separate control box. It worked very well (no vibration problems or
>>> anything), so I transferred it into my Volvo 544 shortly after I reacquired
>>> the car last year. It's working well in there too, but I'd like to
>>> rearrange the gauges to fit the car's instrument cluster.
>>> To this end, I'm redesigning it to be modular instead of a monolithic
>>> board shaped to fit the car. Each gauge is a little PC board with an HV66
>>> driver and SPI daisy chain ribbon connectors.
>>> The plan is to be able to position the modules in the original cluster
>>> housing as best fits the car. The software is going to have a header file
>>> that's customized to the car. Trim pots on the box allow in-use calibration
>>> of those parameters that need it, such as speedometer and temperature.
>>> Do any of you with old cars think you'd be interested in this?
>>>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Nixie car gauges

[Nick Andrews]

What about the Flux capacitor?

On Sat, May 13, 2023, 4:44 PM J Forbes  wrote:

> when it was in the corvair
>
>
> https://hackaday.com/2022/02/18/retro-future-nixie-corvair-instrument-panel/
>
>
> On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 1:04:36 PM UTC-7 Dekatron42 wrote:
>
>> Photos please! I absolutely love the idea!!
>>
>> I wish I owned a PV544 (or a PV444 with split windows).
>>
>> /Martin
>>
>> On Saturday, 13 May 2023 at 19:32:46 UTC+2 David Forbes wrote:
>>
>>> I built a Nixie tube instrument panel for my Corvair a couple of years
>>> ago. It's a big PC board with a couple dozen 4998 and 5870 tubes, with a
>>> separate control box. It worked very well (no vibration problems or
>>> anything), so I transferred it into my Volvo 544 shortly after I reacquired
>>> the car last year. It's working well in there too, but I'd like to
>>> rearrange the gauges to fit the car's instrument cluster.
>>> To this end, I'm redesigning it to be modular instead of a monolithic
>>> board shaped to fit the car. Each gauge is a little PC board with an HV66
>>> driver and SPI daisy chain ribbon connectors.
>>> The plan is to be able to position the modules in the original cluster
>>> housing as best fits the car. The software is going to have a header file
>>> that's customized to the car. Trim pots on the box allow in-use calibration
>>> of those parameters that need it, such as speedometer and temperature.
>>> Do any of you with old cars think you'd be interested in this?
>>>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: This little beauty arrived today!

[Nick Andrews]

Yeah in the smaller sizes they are.  Try getting the big ones used on older
Spectra lasers though!

On Fri, May 5, 2023, 3:29 AM Rob B  wrote:

> That Jones plug is pretty common. E.g.,
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/150991620528
>
>
> On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 5:45:14 PM UTC-5 Nick Andrews wrote:
>
>> Okay not sure about US made but I guess I meant to say not Soviet, and
>> theoretically then more reliable.  I'll open it up this weekend and look.
>> Need to try and figure out the Jones connector, if it's for an external
>> timer or what.
>>
>> On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 5:32 PM Dekatron42  wrote:
>>
>>> Are you sure they are US made Dekatrons, I have a few of this model and
>>> they have all been equipped with Rodan Dekatrons made in Japan.
>>>
>>> The most common failure in this counter is the high voltage
>>> electrolytics being poor, high ESR or dried out.
>>>
>>> No manual unfortunately but it is a very simple design.
>>>
>>> /Martin
>>>
>>> On Thursday, 4 May 2023 at 23:45:37 UTC+2 Nick Andrews wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/234989555348
>>>>
>>>> I don't have a probe at the office, but the dekatrons come on and spin
>>>> around.  It's mesmerizing!  They stop when you hit reset, so that's good.
>>>> Looks like it has a built-in HV supply up to 1200V.  Also has a Jones 2x3
>>>> connector on back for something or other.  Pretty sweet to get 5 US-made
>>>> dekatrons that appear to work.
>>>>
>>>> Don't suppose anyone might have a manual for this?
>>>>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: This little beauty arrived today!

[Nick Andrews]

Okay not sure about US made but I guess I meant to say not Soviet, and
theoretically then more reliable.  I'll open it up this weekend and look.
Need to try and figure out the Jones connector, if it's for an external
timer or what.

On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 5:32 PM Dekatron42  wrote:

> Are you sure they are US made Dekatrons, I have a few of this model and
> they have all been equipped with Rodan Dekatrons made in Japan.
>
> The most common failure in this counter is the high voltage electrolytics
> being poor, high ESR or dried out.
>
> No manual unfortunately but it is a very simple design.
>
> /Martin
>
> On Thursday, 4 May 2023 at 23:45:37 UTC+2 Nick Andrews wrote:
>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/234989555348
>>
>> I don't have a probe at the office, but the dekatrons come on and spin
>> around.  It's mesmerizing!  They stop when you hit reset, so that's good.
>> Looks like it has a built-in HV supply up to 1200V.  Also has a Jones 2x3
>> connector on back for something or other.  Pretty sweet to get 5 US-made
>> dekatrons that appear to work.
>>
>> Don't suppose anyone might have a manual for this?
>>
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[neonixie-l] This little beauty arrived today!

[Nick Andrews]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/234989555348

I don't have a probe at the office, but the dekatrons come on and spin
around.  It's mesmerizing!  They stop when you hit reset, so that's good.
Looks like it has a built-in HV supply up to 1200V.  Also has a Jones 2x3
connector on back for something or other.  Pretty sweet to get 5 US-made
dekatrons that appear to work.

Don't suppose anyone might have a manual for this?

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: unpoison a IN-1

[Nick Andrews]

So I shouldn't be storing totes of nixies on a high shelf in my shed in
Texas?

" Only a few survive today that weren't dissected or tortured in a
microwave oven (yeah, pretty hilarious but kinda toxic because of the
bakelite)."  This is why I used to have a shop microwave, just for
experiments and such...  They are cheap enough!  But I gave it away while
moving from NM to TX (it only took 5.5 years to complete).

On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 6:27 PM gregebert  wrote:

> I couldn't resist asking google Bard this question: Are IN-1 nixie tubes
> reliable ?
> Well, here's the answer. Feel free to laugh.love the part about the
> filaments. Geez, maybe that's why I had so much trouble with mine ?
>
> IN-1 nixie tubes are generally reliable, but they can fail over time. The
> most common failure mode is a leak in the vacuum tube. This can happen due
> to a number of factors, including manufacturing defects, physical damage,
> or exposure to extreme temperatures.
>
> If a leak develops, the tube will slowly fill with air and the filaments
> will eventually burn out. This can happen over a period of months or even
> years. To prevent leaks, it is important to store IN-1 nixie tubes in a
> cool, dry place and to avoid dropping or banging them.
>
> Another potential failure mode is a failure of the heater filament. This
> can happen due to a number of factors, including overheating, overvoltage,
> or physical damage. If the heater filament fails, the tube will not light
> up.
>
> To prevent heater filament failures, it is important to use a regulated
> power supply and to avoid exceeding the maximum operating voltage.
>
> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 2:03:54 PM UTC-7 gregebert wrote:
>
>> I never had an IN-1 run long enough to get poisoned. Mine developed
>> internal shorts, resulting in 2 numerals glowing at the same time.
>> From what I've heard, nixie degradation increases exponentially with
>> current, so you want to stay as close as possible to normal operating
>> current. Try running the worst digit continuously for a few hours at 20%
>> higher current, and see if that helps. I was (briefly) drawn to the IN-1
>> over 10 years ago because of the large size for the low cost; I bought a
>> case of 25 for around 40USD including shipping. Only a few survive today
>> that weren't dissected or tortured in a microwave oven (yeah, pretty
>> hilarious but kinda toxic because of the bakelite).
>>
>> A few of the IN-18's in my clock have shown signs of poisoning even
>> though I run a cleansing routine for 1 hour every night. This is
>> most-visible on the first day of the month for the months digit, and it can
>> take a few days to recover. This clock has 14 tubes; kinda ridiculous but
>> it looks impressive. It was inspired by the movie "Tomorrowland", which has
>> a brief scene with two 6-digit IN-18 clocks. I'm certain one of our
>> neonixie members is the creator of that clock (that was an invitation for
>> you to take a well-deserved bow...).
>>
>> Tubes that run 0-9 during the day need no cleansing (unit seconds, unit
>> minutes, unit hours). Tubes the run 0-5 during the day are cleansed by
>> running 6-9 (tens seconds, tens minutes). Tubes that are static, or near
>> static (tens hours, month, day, year) run 0-9 for cleansing.
>>
>> The static tubes, notably the 4-digit year, show very little signs of
>> poisoning because I have swapped them around to put the
>> most-vulnerable-to-poisoning tubes where they run 0-9 during the day.
>>
>> I havn't seen any signs of poisoning on Burroughs tubes.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 11:39:54 AM UTC-7 Benoit Tourret wrote:
>>
>>> Hello, I have some IN-1 that seems to be poisoned. poisoned or rather
>>> oxided, as they seems to  be really new. it is fine mesh from September
>>> 1971.
>>> two of them are fine after one or two day, tree other doesn't show any
>>> improvement.
>>>
>>> I read that I must overload them a while but how many and how long
>>> should I keep one digit on before light the next digit ? is it 1 second or
>>> one day...
>>>
>>> by the way, as I read that this tube doesn't have mercury inside, can it
>>> be unpoisonned ?
>>>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Scaler with Dekatron Counter

[Nick Andrews]

I picked up three of these HP counters and another from govt auction cheap
because of the nixie displays.

HP5214L Preset Counter
HP 5243L with 5262A Time Interval Unit plugin
HP 5245L with 5252A Prescaler plugin
NMC PC-4 proportional counter

Now I know to keep an eye out for them in the future.  Really need to get
stuff cleaned up so I can set these up and test them for function.

On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 10:48 AM Mac Doktor  wrote:

>
> On Apr 19, 2023, at 7:46 PM, Nick Andrews  wrote:
>
> Hmm...
>
>
> I think that's the first time I've been able to read the lettering and
> there are lots of them on eBay.
>
>
> Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
> "The Mac Doctor"
>
> https://www.astarcloseup.com
>
> "If only you could see what I've seen with your eyes."—Roy Batty, *Blade
> Runner*
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Re: [neonixie-l] Scaler with Dekatron Counter

[Nick Andrews]

Certainly!  If you can afford the shipping, that is.  So what's missing
from the HP units?  Those plug connectors are familiar...

On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 5:14 PM Mac Doktor  wrote:

>
> On Apr 19, 2023, at 6:03 PM, Nick Andrews  wrote:
>
> Some serious boat anchors there!
>
>
> Museum pieces. Seriously.
>
>
> Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
> "The Mac Doctor"
>
> https://www.astarcloseup.com
>
> “...the book said something astonishing, a very big thought. The stars, it
> said, were suns but very far away. The Sun was a star but close up.”—Carl
> Sagan, "The Backbone Of Night", *Cosmos*, 1980
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Re: [neonixie-l] Scaler with Dekatron Counter

[Nick Andrews]

Some serious boat anchors there!

On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 4:13 PM Mac Doktor  wrote:

>
> On Apr 19, 2023, at 4:30 PM, gregebert  wrote:
>
> Historical mix of assembly techniquesPC board (looks single-sided),
> point-to-point components on sockets and terminal strips.
> Does it have that wonderful aroma of conformal coating often found in
> vintage equipment ?
>
>
> Not that I can tell. I assume that the only reason there are tubes in this
> thing is for the HV supplies. Correct me if I'm wrong.
>
> Looks like someone replaced a bunch of capacitors which should make things
> a bit easier. A schematic would be nice.
>
>
> Too bad it doesn't have 6 or 7 dekatrons instead of 5. Would have made a
> neat clock.
>
>
> How about one of these?
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/295453756982
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/255911424475
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/255913457473
>
>
> Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
> "The Mac Doctor"
>
> https://www.astarcloseup.com
>
> "If only you could see what I've seen with your eyes."—Roy Batty, *Blade
> Runner*
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Re: [neonixie-l] Are numitron illegal in UK ???

[Nick Andrews]

Ha!  You should see some of the VA and military base specs we use on
projects.  Editing them can be mind-numbing.

On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 7:12 PM Nicholas Stock  wrote:

> Anybody who's looked recently at the harmonized tariff codes for export
> will realize that they're about 20 years out of date.. however, I can't
> blame customs officials for following the letter of the law, they're
> probably not given any discretion deliberately.
>
> On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 5:01 PM  wrote:
>
>> Customs people are dumb people. They hear one story, and simplify it to
>> apply to everything. Take for instance the 866 rectifier tube popular in
>> ham transmitters. It is a mercury rectifier, and it actually contains so
>> much mercury that it visibly beads on the glass when cold. So, it is
>> confirmed, tubes contain mercury. Are there tubes without mercury? Who
>> knows, but I am a diligent government employee, so nothing dangerous gets
>> past me! All tubes are now condemned, and the world is now safe thanks to
>> me. Don’t like it? File a complaint!
>>
>>
>>
>> Wat is even worse, they don’t seem to have a universally used
>> specification book, or if indeed one exists, not all of them seem to have
>> one or where to find it. I usually mark tubes as old radio tubes, and
>> (knock on wood….) have not had a problem to date.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sad, but true.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill v.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  *On
>> Behalf Of *Nick Andrews
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 13, 2023 6:54 PM
>> *To:* neonixie-l@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [neonixie-l] Are numitron illegal in UK ???
>>
>>
>>
>> So, so dumb.  Likely not enough mercury in the entire history of nixie
>> production to be concerned about in one package even!  Like the hysterical
>> nonsense of closing down a school because someone broke a fluorescent light
>> bulb or one of those insipid coiled compact flo ones, with what, 1/20th of
>> a drop of mercury in it, maybe?  People are nuts.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 4:41 PM 'Mike Harrison' via neonixie-l <
>> neonixie-l@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 12:57:38 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
>>
>> >I tried to buy some IV-16 in a foreign country, far over the channel.
>> >here is the message I just received from ebay:
>> >
>> >Hello Benoit,
>> >
>> >The purchase you recently made under the International Delivery Service
>> >with  could not be completed.
>> >
>> >The object in question has been restricted. This may be due to import or
>> >delivery restrictions, or International Delivery Service eligibility
>> >requirements. The item will not be sent to you, nor will it be returned
>> to
>> >the seller.
>> >
>> >Don't worry. You will be fully refunded to the payment method used to
>> >purchase the item within 72 hours. We will make two separate refunds:
>> the
>> >first for the price of the object and the second for the shipping and
>> >import costs. No further action is required on your part.
>> >
>> >[image: Sans titre.jpg]
>>
>> There have been many reported cases of the Ebay shipping program
>> destroying nixies and all sorts of
>> other tubes because they think they contain mercury, and can't be shipped
>> by air.
>>
>> Never,  ever use Ebay's shipping service for any kind of tube.
>>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Are numitron illegal in UK ???

[Nick Andrews]

So, so dumb.  Likely not enough mercury in the entire history of nixie
production to be concerned about in one package even!  Like the hysterical
nonsense of closing down a school because someone broke a fluorescent light
bulb or one of those insipid coiled compact flo ones, with what, 1/20th of
a drop of mercury in it, maybe?  People are nuts.

On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 4:41 PM 'Mike Harrison' via neonixie-l <
neonixie-l@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 12:57:38 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
>
> >I tried to buy some IV-16 in a foreign country, far over the channel.
> >here is the message I just received from ebay:
> >
> >Hello Benoit,
> >
> >The purchase you recently made under the International Delivery Service
> >with  could not be completed.
> >
> >The object in question has been restricted. This may be due to import or
> >delivery restrictions, or International Delivery Service eligibility
> >requirements. The item will not be sent to you, nor will it be returned
> to
> >the seller.
> >
> >Don't worry. You will be fully refunded to the payment method used to
> >purchase the item within 72 hours. We will make two separate refunds: the
> >first for the price of the object and the second for the shipping and
> >import costs. No further action is required on your part.
> >
> >[image: Sans titre.jpg]
>
> There have been many reported cases of the Ebay shipping program
> destroying nixies and all sorts of
> other tubes because they think they contain mercury, and can't be shipped
> by air.
>
> Never,  ever use Ebay's shipping service for any kind of tube.
>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Are numitron illegal in UK ???

[Nick Andrews]

Life hurts, being stupid hurts even more!

On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 3:44 PM Moses  wrote:

> I've been shipping and selling tubes all over the world, on and off, for
> 22 years now. I'll tell you that even if you have ALL your paperwork in
> perfect order, someone's imagination (customs officials, tax, etc..) will
> go wild and they will either destroy the item in question or make you jump
> through hoops to get them.
>
> I'll tell you a quick story. Sometime in the early 2000's I was in a
> former soviet block country, hunting for tubes in old factories and store
> houses. The folks who ended up with these places in the end were
> essentially scrap dealers and searching mainly for precious metals, which
> by the time I got there were pretty much all gone. I was the first one
> around there looking for tubes and word gets out around town that there is
> a foreigner looking for them. I arrived on day to this one factory.. which
> had a good deal of nixies I was told.. to my horror I found about half of
> what they had in a broken pile of glass on the floor. Come to find out, my
> inquiries in the town had caused a stir.. and at least this one warehouse
> destroyed about half their tubes and sent the metal for assay.. on the idea
> that would certainly find some sort of rare metal. They found no previous
> metals, and once they found out what I was willing to pay for the remaining
> tubes, equivalent to several years of normal wages, they were pretty upset
> with themselves.
>
> That's my sad tube story! It was a good time otherwise!
>
> Regards,
> -Moses
>
> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 1:06:37 PM UTC-7 Nicholas Stock wrote:
>
>> That is bizarre. I just sent DTF104B numitrons all over the world, the UK
>> included, so I can't think why they'd be restricted. Maybe someone used the
>> wrong tariff code or description on the shipment?
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 12:57 PM Benoit Tourret 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I tried to buy some IV-16 in a foreign country, far over the channel.
>>> here is the message I just received from ebay:
>>>
>>> Hello Benoit,
>>>
>>> The purchase you recently made under the International Delivery Service
>>> with  could not be completed.
>>>
>>> The object in question has been restricted. This may be due to import or
>>> delivery restrictions, or International Delivery Service eligibility
>>> requirements. The item will not be sent to you, nor will it be returned to
>>> the seller.
>>>
>>> Don't worry. You will be fully refunded to the payment method used to
>>> purchase the item within 72 hours. We will make two separate refunds: the
>>> first for the price of the object and the second for the shipping and
>>> import costs. No further action is required on your part.
>>>
>>> [image: Sans titre.jpg]
>>>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Are numitron illegal in UK ???

[Nick Andrews]

Weird.  I know the USPS has gotten strict on customs forms.  I had sent an
envelope to Netherlands with 4 old small radiation detectors, ironically
going to a guy who works at Scionix where they were made.  I got it
returned because I just wrote 'electronic parts' on the form.  The counter
lady said likely because they are afraid of unmarked lithium batteries in
packages causing fires.  At least teh didn't try to screw me on the $20
postage and this time I wrote 'photmultiplier tubes - defective, no lithium
batteries inside!'

On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 2:57 PM Benoit Tourret 
wrote:

> I tried to buy some IV-16 in a foreign country, far over the channel.
> here is the message I just received from ebay:
>
> Hello Benoit,
>
> The purchase you recently made under the International Delivery Service
> with  could not be completed.
>
> The object in question has been restricted. This may be due to import or
> delivery restrictions, or International Delivery Service eligibility
> requirements. The item will not be sent to you, nor will it be returned to
> the seller.
>
> Don't worry. You will be fully refunded to the payment method used to
> purchase the item within 72 hours. We will make two separate refunds: the
> first for the price of the object and the second for the shipping and
> import costs. No further action is required on your part.
>
> [image: Sans titre.jpg]
>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Neonixie Spam Messages

[Nick Andrews]

Google is doing this across the board more and more, testing their ability
to micromanage the flow of information and prepare to interfere with their
competition and upcoming elections even more...  We've seen it in many
groups and gmail.  I need to find a non-gmail to migrate to.  Groups.io is
better for groups too.

On Thu, Apr 6, 2023 at 8:49 AM 'Grahame' via neonixie-l <
neonixie-l@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hi All
>
> For some reason Google is identifying a lot more messages as spam and
> putting them in the moderator's pending folder. We might have one or two
> a month but more recently it can be several a day. I just released three
> messages from yesterday. Another odd thing, is that at least one message
> that had been pending came through by email to me, the selection I have
> set for myself, but then it doesn't appear in the thread on the group
> webpage.
>
> I am trying to remember to look at the pending folder everyday to
> release held messages. Please PM me if you are seeing a problem with any
> particular posting.
>
> Grahame (and Nick and Nick)
>
> Moderators
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: DTF104B Group Buy

[Nick Andrews]

I'm thinking about getting 8 of them or so.   Just ordered 20,000 small
pistol primers,  so a little tight right now.  Possibly 12, depending on
when.

On Tue, Feb 28, 2023, 12:28 AM Roger Brinkman  wrote:

> Hi Nick,
> Same for me; if you’re willing to send to Australia, I’d take 15 also.
>
> Regards
> Roger.
>
> On 28 Feb 2023, at 4:47 pm, newxito  wrote:
>
> Hi Nick
>
> If you're willing to send the tubes to Switzerland, I'd take 15. Thanks.
>
> Cheers,  Andy
>
> Nicholas Stock schrieb am Samstag, 25. Februar 2023 um 21:16:42 UTC+1:
>
>> Fellow enthusiasts. I have a vendor (someone I have done business with
>> before) who wants to sell some DTF104B's (NOS) for $25 dollars each. If you
>> wish to buy some, then please contact me directly and I can organize.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Nick
>>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Are here any good small alarm clocks for use on night table?

[Nick Andrews]

I've been thinking that same thing, to get a new one with different alarm
settings for weekends, maybe a digital tuner for better radio reception
although the obnoxious scratchy noise blaring does make it easier to get up
even though I still struggle to get to work by 830...

On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 4:40 PM Dekatron42  wrote:

> Does anyone know of any good small alarm clock for use on night table,
> something that you have used yourself?
>
> I've been googling for one but never found anything that is being made
> today, there are a few Kickstarter projects, and similar ones, but nothing
> that I can buy right now.
>
> I'd really like to have a good one with several alarm times, preferably
> alarms on weekdays only (or adjustable for each day), dimming and other
> features are welcome too. Most clocks are just clocks but miss out on the
> alarm portion - they are usually stuffed with features but the alarm
> portion is almost always missing.
>
> /Martin
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Re: [neonixie-l] My attempt to build a IN-13 vu-meter

[Nick Andrews]

Very nice!  And cheap...not!  I don't think I even have that many of those
tubes.  The price has been going straight up.  Have just a few of teh IN-9
too.

On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 11:55 PM Olivier  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Over a year ago I found some picture of a IN-13 vu-meter made by Paul from
> Bad Dog Designs. I contacted Paul to get more details on his built and he
> happily replied. I then decided to start my own.
>
> I built a one channel prototype with through-the-hole components and then
> re-designed the PCB to use SMDs as I needed the board to be very small. I
> built each channel on one separate PCB to reduce cost; they are all stacked
> together.
>
> Then I had the oak wood box made locally by a carpenter and the brass
> plates as well. The final results is below: it uses 20 IN-13 tubes, 10 for
> each channel. The choice of frequencies matches a home-made 10 octave
> equaliser you can see below.
>
> It is working fine, though some channels need some additional fine tuning!
> It is fully analog.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Olivier
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: New oddity

[Nick Andrews]

You mean you agree then!  I don't care if it's still dark in the morning in
winter, as it really sucks that it's dark when I get home and you can't get
anything done at the house during the week.

On Thu, Jan 12, 2023 at 9:45 AM Jeff Walton  wrote:

> Respectfully disagree.  I love DST!
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>  Original message ----
> From: Nick Andrews 
> Date: 1/12/23 9:27 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: New oddity
>
> I'm just looking forward to the day we finally quit screwing around and
> stay on Daylight Savings Time permanently.  Daylight Wasting Time makes
> winter suck more...
>
> On Thu, Jan 12, 2023 at 3:46 AM Michail Wilson  wrote:
>
>> Moses has it right.
>>
>>
>>
>> 18:00 PST is 02:00 UTC the next day.
>>
>>
>>
>> Michail
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  *On
>> Behalf Of *insidiousnixies;Utube
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 12, 2023 1:28 AM
>> *To:* neonixie-l 
>> *Subject:* Re: [neonixie-l] Re: New oddity
>>
>>
>>
>> H'mmm-I'm definalty going too copy this-Maybe 3 in height and its a World
>> clock...24hr clock2 and 18 hours,isn't that 16hrs difference?
>>
>>  Anyhoe they look great...
>>
>> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 12:59:29 PM UTC+8 mo...@neonixie.com
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you! Yes, the top ones are UTC.. the bottom is Pacific Time, 8
>> hours behind.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -Moses
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 8:19:58 PM UTC-8 M1 wrote:
>>
>> Love it, but I have to ask…
>>
>> Why are the bottom units timed 4 hours ahead of the top units?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Michail
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* neoni...@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf
>> Of *Moses
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 11, 2023 6:35 PM
>> *To:* neonixie-l 
>> *Subject:* [neonixie-l] Re: New oddity
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm reminded of a quote:  First rule in government spending: Why build
>> one, when you can have two at twice the price?
>>
>>
>>
>> I love it when the prototypes work and I get to keep them. I'm starting
>> to like these dual displays :)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:10:09 PM UTC-8 martin martin wrote:
>>
>> Just finished this one.
>> Boards from from PV Electronics
>>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: New oddity

[Nick Andrews]

I'm just looking forward to the day we finally quit screwing around and
stay on Daylight Savings Time permanently.  Daylight Wasting Time makes
winter suck more...

On Thu, Jan 12, 2023 at 3:46 AM Michail Wilson  wrote:

> Moses has it right.
>
>
>
> 18:00 PST is 02:00 UTC the next day.
>
>
>
> Michail
>
>
>
> *From:* neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  *On
> Behalf Of *insidiousnixies;Utube
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 12, 2023 1:28 AM
> *To:* neonixie-l 
> *Subject:* Re: [neonixie-l] Re: New oddity
>
>
>
> H'mmm-I'm definalty going too copy this-Maybe 3 in height and its a World
> clock...24hr clock2 and 18 hours,isn't that 16hrs difference?
>
>  Anyhoe they look great...
>
> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 12:59:29 PM UTC+8 mo...@neonixie.com
> wrote:
>
> Thank you! Yes, the top ones are UTC.. the bottom is Pacific Time, 8 hours
> behind.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> -Moses
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 8:19:58 PM UTC-8 M1 wrote:
>
> Love it, but I have to ask…
>
> Why are the bottom units timed 4 hours ahead of the top units?
>
>
>
>
>
> Michail
>
>
>
> *From:* neoni...@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf
> Of *Moses
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 11, 2023 6:35 PM
> *To:* neonixie-l 
> *Subject:* [neonixie-l] Re: New oddity
>
>
>
> I'm reminded of a quote:  First rule in government spending: Why build
> one, when you can have two at twice the price?
>
>
>
> I love it when the prototypes work and I get to keep them. I'm starting to
> like these dual displays :)
>
>
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:10:09 PM UTC-8 martin martin wrote:
>
> Just finished this one.
> Boards from from PV Electronics
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Re: [neonixie-l] Why tungsten wire and why weld copper to tungsten? Also book recommendation?

[Nick Andrews]

Very cool.  But expensive!  I aspire (possibly foolishly) to attempt such
experiments some day, once I get my high vacuum station set up for lasers,
neon, plasma, fusor, etc.

If I were to buy a spool of the Dumet wire, would anyone like to get some
of the wire to play with to help share the cost a bit?

On Mon, Dec 26, 2022 at 9:12 PM Charles MacDonald 
wrote:

> On 2022-12-26 15:26, Miles Thatch wrote:
> > 1) I was watching some nixie production videos and a question came up.
> > Is tungsten wire used because this metal offers the most appropriate
> > seal with glass? One of the videos where a nixie was made in a garage
> > showed that tungstan turns a coppery color when, as commented, properly
> > seals with the glass.
>
> Vacuum tubes often used DUMET wire as it had the same cofeficent of
> expansion as the Glass used to make the seals. https://www.dumet.net/
>
> their are literally BOOKS on the subject of Glass to metal sealing
> depending on Power levels and temperatures involved.
>
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[neonixie-l] What a bargain!

[Nick Andrews]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/115643059245?mkevt=1=0=e11021.m43.l3160=7=osgood=b4157e1647d445bbae34db34c4143547=43189870757=RU=0=0=-1%7E1=20221216011646=11021

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Re: [neonixie-l] Any interest in IV-9 numitron clock kit?

[Nick Andrews]

I have a few of both types.  One string of the Silvestri 70s/80s-produced
smaller ones that run on a typical smaller-socket light string (box looks
like old K-Mart style printing).  You can find them on ebay sometimes
relatively inexpensively.  These are a spherical holder that the glass vial
slides into, and an opening that slides over the smaller incandescent bulbs
on a typical light string.

Then I have 9 of the older Noma style screw-in replacement bulbs made in
the 90s for Builders Square, 3 each of blue, red, and green.  The 'festoon'
part on those is simply clear plastic, not the more colorful flying saucer
shape vintage stuff.

On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 10:13 AM Mac Doktor  wrote:

>
> On Nov 20, 2022, at 8:14 AM, Adrian Godwin  wrote:
>
> Are they these bubble lights ?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTDtyFaAZy8
>
>
> Yes. I'll make a detailed post about them later today. They're quite
> interesting and have a history to match.
>
>
> Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
> "The Mac Doctor"
>
> https://www.astarcloseup.com
>
> “...the book said something astonishing, a very big thought. The stars, it
> said, were suns but very far away. The Sun was a star but close up.”—Carl
> Sagan, "The Backbone Of Night", *Cosmos*, 1980
>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Need CD-71 or substitute

[Nick Andrews]

What is that cascading display at top center in the first part of the
video?  Looks like a random pattern on an LCD panel.  I like it.

On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 7:07 AM Peter Hall  wrote:

> Well,who’s alucky man…Please watch first couple off Minutes…..off
> vidio..link below…if dosent work-go too—insidiousnixies….you will see ya
> “Tube” as Picture for that Vidio….3 or 4 down in sellections.
>
> My email address is at my Utube channel….Send me ya Address and I’ve ave
> one in the Mail for you.No charge…..
>
> Or copy and paste in Browser.
>
>
>
> Peter   Insidiousnixies….Link/https://youtu.be/B6t1TR5QRKM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Thomas Witzel 
> https://youtu.be/B6t1TR5QRKM
> *Sent: *Wednesday, November 23, 2022 4:07 AM
> *To: *neonixie-l 
> *Subject: *[neonixie-l] Need CD-71 or substitute
>
>
>
> I got a Nixie-tube calculator with one dead nixie tube. I'm looking to buy
> a Hitachi CD-71 or a suitable substitute.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Thomas
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Re: [neonixie-l] HV5523 shortage

[Nick Andrews]

Yeah, I fear I may come to regret scrapping or even trashing so many old
circuit boards in the past, and not just for the lost potential gold
recovery either!

On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 9:16 AM Paul Andrews  wrote:

> I feel like there are going to be quite a few of these types of messages
> for a while. I can't get hold of HV5523 chips, does anyone have one or know
> of anyone that has them in stock?
>
> I know about the ones on ali express - with shipping works out at about
> $50 each. I'm not that desperate - yet.
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Any interest in IV-9 numitron clock kit?

[Nick Andrews]

Cool project!  I don't need any currently, but thank you for the offer.  I
am swamped with sorting the more recent auction junk and parts, trying to
clean up the shed so I can safely use the lathe and milling machine.
Stacked up the 6 or 7 pieces of old test gear recently acquired that use
nixie for the displays.  Big old Sangamo mica transmitter caps, huge HV
high power resistors and rectifiers, RCA SCRs, all kinds of fun things!

On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 8:24 PM Michail Wilson  wrote:

> Well, yes.   That is the TLC5916IN which is the DIP version.I use the
> SMT version.
>
>
>
> That price is robbery; however, if you need it, then you need it.
>
>
>
> If you only need a couple and need SMT, then I wouldn’t mind sending to
> you (as a member of this group).
>
> The great thing about this chip is you only need a single resistor for the
> chip instead of one per segment.
>
>
>
> This is what I use them for:
> https://www.voltagegoat.com/product/bitcoin-rocket-ticker/
>
>
>
>
>
> Michail
>
>
>
> *From:* neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  *On
> Behalf Of *Nick Andrews
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 22, 2022 2:58 PM
> *To:* neonixie-l@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Any interest in IV-9 numitron clock kit?
>
>
>
> Like these or a different variant?
>
>
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/314093421980?var=0=1=1=711-53200-19255-0=5338590836=10044=2c0d2461f1b21bc7b1c4471ca2c06a78
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 12:48 AM Michail Wilson  wrote:
>
> I use TLC5916 for all my numitron projects.
>
> Stock not available until next year and I only have about 50 left.  I have
> had 500 on order for just over a year now.  ☹
>
>
>
> Michail
>
>
>
> *From:* neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  *On
> Behalf Of *Moses
> *Sent:* Friday, November 18, 2022 11:12 AM
> *To:* neonixie-l 
> *Subject:* Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Any interest in IV-9 numitron clock kit?
>
>
>
> Ian,
>
>
>
> Yes, I've been looking at the TLC5916N.. and no stock anywhere! I did find
> TLC5917.. same ship but with short detection I believe. There is sporadic
> stock available here and there. I'll order some for testing. Do you know if
> there is a pin equivalent from another manufacturer? Would be nice to have
> an alternate.
>
>
>
> The ESP32 worked really well for my last clock, and I've got a good deal
> of time invested in the code. To be able to reuse it without too much fuss
> on another clock is a bonus.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> -Moses
>
> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 6:57:59 AM UTC-8 Ian Sparkes wrote:
>
> You really should try to make the drivers constant current drivers: I used
> to do this with TI parts, but they've been out of stock for over a year.
>
>
>
> The TLC5916N drivers are shift registers with constant current drivers
> attached - great for this sort of thing. The Numitron clocks I made are
> also NTP/WiFi enabled and based on an ESP8266, with linear digit dimming
> and a whole bunch of other things (motion sensor, NeoPixel backlights etc).
>
>
>
> The ESP32 is a great platform. Absolutely love working with it, but it's a
> bit overkill for this.
>
>
>
> On Thursday, 17 November 2022 at 13:28:14 UTC+1 hall...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> Or am I mistaken—Its Ian that’s in…sorry..I’m looking at Emails,that go
> everywhere.Gotto go
>
> Too Neonixe site,next time.
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> *From: *Peter Hall
> *Sent: *Thursday, November 17, 2022 7:06 PM
> *To: *neoni...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *RE: [neonixie-l] Re: Any interest in IV-9 numitron clock kit?
>
>
>
> If Richard is in-So am I 
>
>   Peter..insidiousnixies:Utube
>
>
>
> *From: *'Ian' via neonixie-l
> *Sent: *Thursday, November 17, 2022 5:52 PM
> *To: *neoni...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Any interest in IV-9 numitron clock kit?
>
>
>
> I’m in
>
>
> On 17 Nov 2022, at 04:28, Richard Scales  wrote:
>
> I have built several numitron kits from nixieclock.biz and am a big fan
> of numitrons, I have only had them running far a couple of years and then
> for only half a day at most. I have heard that their tube life is 'long'
> but have not seen any actual numbers. I have also re-worked the design for
> other numitrons like IV-19 and DTF104B.
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> - Richard
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, 16 November 2022 at 22:26:36 UTC mo...@neonixie.com wrote:
>
> Hi Everybody,
>
>
>
> I seem to have enough IV-9 tubes to where I can produce a batch of 100 or
> so 6 digit numitron clocks. Thinking ESP32 powered like my last one (Thank
> you 

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Any interest in IV-9 numitron clock kit?

[Nick Andrews]

Like these or a different variant?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/314093421980?var=0=1=1=711-53200-19255-0=5338590836=10044=2c0d2461f1b21bc7b1c4471ca2c06a78



On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 12:48 AM Michail Wilson  wrote:

> I use TLC5916 for all my numitron projects.
>
> Stock not available until next year and I only have about 50 left.  I have
> had 500 on order for just over a year now.  ☹
>
>
>
> Michail
>
>
>
> *From:* neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  *On
> Behalf Of *Moses
> *Sent:* Friday, November 18, 2022 11:12 AM
> *To:* neonixie-l 
> *Subject:* Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Any interest in IV-9 numitron clock kit?
>
>
>
> Ian,
>
>
>
> Yes, I've been looking at the TLC5916N.. and no stock anywhere! I did find
> TLC5917.. same ship but with short detection I believe. There is sporadic
> stock available here and there. I'll order some for testing. Do you know if
> there is a pin equivalent from another manufacturer? Would be nice to have
> an alternate.
>
>
>
> The ESP32 worked really well for my last clock, and I've got a good deal
> of time invested in the code. To be able to reuse it without too much fuss
> on another clock is a bonus.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> -Moses
>
> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 6:57:59 AM UTC-8 Ian Sparkes wrote:
>
> You really should try to make the drivers constant current drivers: I used
> to do this with TI parts, but they've been out of stock for over a year.
>
>
>
> The TLC5916N drivers are shift registers with constant current drivers
> attached - great for this sort of thing. The Numitron clocks I made are
> also NTP/WiFi enabled and based on an ESP8266, with linear digit dimming
> and a whole bunch of other things (motion sensor, NeoPixel backlights etc).
>
>
>
> The ESP32 is a great platform. Absolutely love working with it, but it's a
> bit overkill for this.
>
>
>
> On Thursday, 17 November 2022 at 13:28:14 UTC+1 hall...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> Or am I mistaken—Its Ian that’s in…sorry..I’m looking at Emails,that go
> everywhere.Gotto go
>
> Too Neonixe site,next time.
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> *From: *Peter Hall
> *Sent: *Thursday, November 17, 2022 7:06 PM
> *To: *neoni...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *RE: [neonixie-l] Re: Any interest in IV-9 numitron clock kit?
>
>
>
> If Richard is in-So am I 
>
>   Peter..insidiousnixies:Utube
>
>
>
> *From: *'Ian' via neonixie-l
> *Sent: *Thursday, November 17, 2022 5:52 PM
> *To: *neoni...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Any interest in IV-9 numitron clock kit?
>
>
>
> I’m in
>
>
> On 17 Nov 2022, at 04:28, Richard Scales  wrote:
>
> I have built several numitron kits from nixieclock.biz and am a big fan
> of numitrons, I have only had them running far a couple of years and then
> for only half a day at most. I have heard that their tube life is 'long'
> but have not seen any actual numbers. I have also re-worked the design for
> other numitrons like IV-19 and DTF104B.
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> - Richard
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, 16 November 2022 at 22:26:36 UTC mo...@neonixie.com wrote:
>
> Hi Everybody,
>
>
>
> I seem to have enough IV-9 tubes to where I can produce a batch of 100 or
> so 6 digit numitron clocks. Thinking ESP32 powered like my last one (Thank
> you to all those who gave suggestions, the kit came out great!). I'm
> thinking maybe try for a full through-hole solder kit with some shift
> registers.
>
>
>
> I know nixies are more popular.. but anyone interested in a numitron clock
> kit?
>
>
>
> Oh, one question I do have, anyone have long term experience (ie, years?)
> running this particular tube? How do they fare?
>
>
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> -Moses
>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Any interest in IV-9 numitron clock kit?

[Nick Andrews]

Yes, I noticed they make new ones, but I believe Terry is playing with the
antique ones.  I don't know if there are size differences in the new ones
or if they are better or worse quality-wise.  I do see several different
varieties in the glass envelope shape.  Maybe Terry can elaborate on the
differences.

On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 9:53 PM Michail Wilson  wrote:

> Bubble lights.
>
>
>
> I remember when I was trying to get them and finally found them cheap on
> christmascentral.com
>
> They have them for Halloween as well   (diff colors).
>
>
>
> Example:
>
>
> https://www.christmascentral.com/pack-of-3-multi-color-c7-retro-bubble-light-replacement-christmas-bulbs/
>
> $7 for 3 pack.
>
>
>
> Michail
>
>
>
> *From:* neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  *On
> Behalf Of *Nick Andrews
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 20, 2022 11:08 AM
> *To:* neonixie-l@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [neonixie-l] Any interest in IV-9 numitron clock kit?
>
>
>
> Yeah.   Apparently they still make them,  too.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 20, 2022, 7:14 AM Adrian Godwin  wrote:
>
> Are they these bubble lights ?
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTDtyFaAZy8
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 1:07 PM Mike Mitchell  wrote:
>
>
>
> Terry, I remember those bubble lights at grandparents farm.  I had started
> to look into buying some many years ago,  but never did...
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Any interest in IV-9 numitron clock kit?

[Nick Andrews]

Yeah.   Apparently they still make them,  too.

On Sun, Nov 20, 2022, 7:14 AM Adrian Godwin  wrote:

> Are they these bubble lights ?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTDtyFaAZy8
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 1:07 PM Mike Mitchell  wrote:
>
>>
>>> Terry, I remember those bubble lights at grandparents farm.  I had
>>> started to look into buying some many years ago,  but never did...
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Any interest in IV-9 numitron clock kit?

[Nick Andrews]

I might be interested.   I have a small supply of iv-22 tubes and some of
the iv-4/17 alphanumeric ones too.

Terry, I remember those bubble lights at grandparents farm.  I had started
to look into buying some many years ago,  but never did...

On Wed, Nov 16, 2022, 4:26 PM Moses  wrote:

> Hi Everybody,
>
> I seem to have enough IV-9 tubes to where I can produce a batch of 100 or
> so 6 digit numitron clocks. Thinking ESP32 powered like my last one (Thank
> you to all those who gave suggestions, the kit came out great!). I'm
> thinking maybe try for a full through-hole solder kit with some shift
> registers.
>
> I know nixies are more popular.. but anyone interested in a numitron clock
> kit?
>
> Oh, one question I do have, anyone have long term experience (ie, years?)
> running this particular tube? How do they fare?
>
> Thank you!
>
> Regards,
> -Moses
>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Auction foolishness

[Nick Andrews]

Thanks.  Yeah, as always some manuals are easy to find, while others remain
elusive...  I'll wait to print the ones I found out at work until I get the
units safely back to San Antonio for evaluation.  My buddy said they look
dirty and have evidence of rodents nearby...

On Wed, Oct 5, 2022 at 5:45 PM gregebert  wrote:

> Congrats on the boat anchors. I got a 5245 a few years ago at a local
> surplus store, cuz it has nixies of course. You can find manuals online. I
> have the 10X prescaler that takes it up past 500Mhz. Amazing this thing
> still works. Just be warned that it will draw energy when plugged-in (even
> while off) to run the crystal oven.
>
> On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 3:01:33 PM UTC-7 nickja...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> I...bid on some more junk, I mean stuff, Monday night.  Driving to NM
>> Saturday and will go up to ABQ to pick them up.  Two units, an HP 5245L
>> counter with 5252A and a 5243L with a (maybe) 5262A Time Interval unit.
>> Also a 5214L Preset Counter.  And then a Eldorado Elec 783G Time Interval
>> Counter, which is the only one that had a picture of it plugged in and
>> turned on.  And a whole lot of other crap I shouldn't have bid on!  $300
>> for a pickup load worth.  A NIM bin with the 6V add-on, and another bin
>> without any power supply, about 6 or more modules, and a bunch of other
>> rack-mount HV or pulse power supplies and such. But am most excited about
>> the nixie-display instruments.
>>
>> Anyone know about manuals for the HP 5214L and Eldorado 783G?
>>
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[neonixie-l] Auction foolishness

[Nick Andrews]

I...bid on some more junk, I mean stuff, Monday night.  Driving to NM
Saturday and will go up to ABQ to pick them up.  Two units, an HP 5245L
counter with 5252A and a 5243L with a (maybe) 5262A Time Interval unit.
Also a 5214L Preset Counter.  And then a Eldorado Elec 783G Time Interval
Counter, which is the only one that had a picture of it plugged in and
turned on.  And a whole lot of other crap I shouldn't have bid on!  $300
for a pickup load worth.  A NIM bin with the 6V add-on, and another bin
without any power supply, about 6 or more modules, and a bunch of other
rack-mount HV or pulse power supplies and such. But am most excited about
the nixie-display instruments.

Anyone know about manuals for the HP 5214L and Eldorado 783G?

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Re: [neonixie-l] NIB B-7094 Nixie tubes for sale

[Nick Andrews]

Pretty cool tubes!  Not sure about the comment about the sockets not being
good for inserting and removing tubes.  These are used for PMTs all the
time and I've not seen any problems yet plugging and unplugging tubes from
bases.

On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 9:50 AM Jens Boos 
wrote:

> This is rich---of course I was talking about the B-7011 tubes. Jens
>
>
> Jens Boos  hat am 21.09.2022 16:13 CEST
> geschrieben:
>
>
> Dear group,
>
> Some years ago I acquired several B-7094 Nixie tubes, new in original box.
> Some of them work, some of them have limited functionality. The original
> YouTube video is still online here:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp4inccwgIQ , but the tubes are now with
> me. As far as I know, these have never surfaced on Ebay in a comparable
> condition, for as long as I can remember.
>
> I am thinking of selling one or two of these tubes. To anybody who is
> interested, please contact me with a serious offer :)
>
> Best wishes
> Jens
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Re: [neonixie-l] NL-916 Q letter nixie tube

[Nick Andrews]

Haha, sorry Audrey, I just couldn't resist...  M, Q, ...

On Thu, Sep 1, 2022 at 3:04 PM Mac Doktor  wrote:

>
> On Sep 1, 2022, at 3:36 PM, Nick Andrews  wrote:
>
> MI-6 used them for office designators...
>
>
> "Pay attention, 007"
>
>
> Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
> "The Mac Doctor"
>
> https://www.astarcloseup.com
>
> Q: Should car stereo speakers be pointed to the rear for more thrust or up
> for more traction?
>
> A. On long trips, the 20- to 30% improvement in gas mileage you might get
> with speakers pointing to the rear is certainly worthwhile. On the other
> hand, if you drive on snow or ice, the extra traction of speakers pointing
> upward gives you added control.
>
> Don Lancaster
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Re: [neonixie-l] lot of 34 B7971s on ebay..

[Nick Andrews]

Heavy lift yeah that applies here too.  The lathe, milling machines and
metal shaper are obviously of some worth, and tools.  The dental xray
machines are heavy but not completely absurd.  The powder diffraction xray
machine is odd, bulky, heavy, etc.  Vacuum pumps, lasers, etc are mostly
all smaller and manageable.  In my mind, anyway.  At least there's a
rolling gantry crane outside that will lift 2 tons...

Haha, when I was in Denver building E-470 and the NW Parkway, a guy I
worked with's father worked at Jolly Rancher.  Well, they knew the plant
was closing over a year in advance, and the company actually paid for
retraining folks.  But low morale and payouts meant that everything that
wasn't bolted down...got lost.  It started small, like rotary hammers,
drills, etc.  One guy eventually 'found' a brand new large commercial floor
mixer, like for making huge batches of candy, etc.

After I left Denver, my brother worked for this small outfit from Wyoming
called Sorrento doing commo design and builds for mostly oil industry.
Distributed networks for the pumping stations and equipment, oil rigs in
the gulf.  Remote trailer work, solar powered, etc.  The owners were
apparently morons, who couldn't understand moving up to bigger clients and
jobs, etc. and actually drove off some clients when they fired one of the
main managers who was actually bringing in money.  My brother said they all
knew the day they were closing and laying them off, and when the owners
came into the building that morning everyone was just sitting at their
desks, computers off and already wiped of any data, all personal items
already out and loaded in their vehicles, etc.  He said they could've
liquidated all sorts of things from there, but felt it was wrong unlike the
former story individuals.

The last place I worked at went bankrupt about 2 years after I left.  She
was also a horrible manager and alienated employees, clients, and business
partners.  The first six years were good, then things changed and she got
secretive and greedy and I think had some mental issues (family history).
I stayed there for far too long, and she still owes me money.  If I'd been
there to the end and known she was going to hose me, I'd have been sorely
tempted to ensure I got something out of the mess.  That 11 year fiasco
cost me a good half a million in wages, bonuses, etc I would've gotten
somewhere else but stupid me, I thought I could trust them to do the right
thing.  NEVER go to work for friends!  Lost my best friend from high school
because of his stupid wife.  Gained other friends though.  Sorry to rant,
but it still pisses me off 5.5 years later!

On the other hand, I just made a deal for a few dekatrons, so...  Never
played with one before, just thought they were cool.

On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 1:07 PM Robert G. Schaffrath <
robert.schaffr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It's funny, I have Geiger counters too as well as other interesting hobby
> things, well to me anyhow, that no one else in the family shares any
> interest in (ham radio, stamps & coins, electronic tools, classic glass
> insulators, minerals, etc.). I wish it was possible to have them go to
> several charities I work with so they could monetarily benefit, instead of
> disinterested people, but that would be an extremely heavy lift for them.
> The one bright spot is one of my nephews is entering university in the fall
> planning to study Nuclear Chemistry. If he does complete that course of
> study then the Geiger counters and other related items would probably be of
> interest to him.
>
> Asset tags are an interesting idea. I used to work for a major corporation
> where we had asset tags on all of our valuable equipment (PC's, monitors,
> printers, coffee makers, etc.). Meanwhile, as the company was shedding
> divisions and downsizing people, moral was horrible and people just stopped
> caring (kind of hard when you do not know if you will have a job the
> following week). Of course HR always tried different motivational posters
> including "Employees are our most valuable asset" to try and cheer people
> up. Several of those posters wound up with messages attached that said "Our
> most valuable assets have tags on them".
>
> On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 12:07:59 PM UTC-4 nickja...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> After seeing estate sales and ebay stuff, I started an inventory of my
>> Geiger counters, isotope identifiers, other stuff that is worth something
>> on ebay vs thrift store crap.  I got 'permanent' ID labels and printed them
>> with a unique serial number to key to an Excel spreadsheet, and was going
>> to add a photo of the item.  Then, I moved and well, need to start over
>> again.  I mean, ll be dead and not caring any more, but it would be a shame
>> for so much money to be lost for my brothers or nieces...
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 10:37 AM Robert G. Schaffrath <
>> robert.s...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I see they sold but no idea what the offer was.
>>>
>>> I agree that 

Re: [neonixie-l] lot of 34 B7971s on ebay..

[Nick Andrews]

Yeah I got the idea from working in highway construction for Kiewit, one of
the biggest contractors in these USA, and then buying stuff at university
auctions.

On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 11:23 AM Audrey  wrote:

> Asset tags aren't a bad idea...
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022, 12:11 PM Nicholas Stock  wrote:
>
>> Totally agree Robert, Nick..
>>
>> My wife is constantly harassing me (slight exaggeration...) to make sure
>> I have a list of items and market prices if I should *kick the
>> proverbial*after collecting/selling for a number of years, nixies
>> have accumulated in price *a lot*having them and other tubes end up
>> in a landfill would be a huge shame...
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 9:08 AM Nick Andrews 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> After seeing estate sales and ebay stuff, I started an inventory of my
>>> Geiger counters, isotope identifiers, other stuff that is worth something
>>> on ebay vs thrift store crap.  I got 'permanent' ID labels and printed them
>>> with a unique serial number to key to an Excel spreadsheet, and was going
>>> to add a photo of the item.  Then, I moved and well, need to start over
>>> again.  I mean, ll be dead and not caring any more, but it would be a shame
>>> for so much money to be lost for my brothers or nieces...
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 10:37 AM Robert G. Schaffrath <
>>> robert.schaffr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I see they sold but no idea what the offer was.
>>>>
>>>> I agree that selling them as a lot rather than individually is not that
>>>> great an idea. I have six NOS, and a seventh used, bubble wrapped and in a
>>>> box with a detailed note about them for whichever family member stumbles
>>>> across them someday (assuming I do not get a chance to do anything with
>>>> them). I advise whomever to investigate selling them individually and that
>>>> tossing them would be very stupid.
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 8:08:25 PM UTC-4 Kevin A. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If they were tested and guaranteed that would be one thing, but
>>>>> throwing a bunch of these in a box as-is and charging top dollar probably
>>>>> won't get them moving any time soon...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2022, 7:24 PM gregebert  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Seller is probably testing the waters to see if anyone take a BIG
>>>>>> bite. Next step is to break-up into smaller lots.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 3:48:27 PM UTC-7 Jeff Walton wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Remembering some older surplus places prior to the internet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Polypaks was one of them that had a printed flyer or ads in the back
>>>>>>> of electronics magazines. They often displayed this disclaimer with 
>>>>>>> some of
>>>>>>> their products,  "... No time to test 'em!"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course,  B-7971's were two for $8 with the Ultronics board...
>>>>>>> Not $200 each.   
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>>>> From: Audrey 
>>>>>>> Date: 8/17/22 5:37 PM (GMT-06:00)
>>>>>>> To: neoni...@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] lot of 34 B7971s on ebay..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah. It's silly to sell them all as one lot, and even sillier to
>>>>>>> not figuring out how to test them for that pricepoint...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2022, 6:30 PM Michail Wilson 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Quite the number of tubes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Since he is asking retail for them all, and not likely too many
>>>>>>>> people want or can afford that many, I asked if there was a guarantee 
>>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>>> if even 1 could be bad, it would make almost the entire order
>>>>>>>> non-profitable.  Awaiting a response.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>&

Re: [neonixie-l] lot of 34 B7971s on ebay..

[Nick Andrews]

One of my best friends kicked it just about 5 years ago.  He built models.
Custom funny car bodies, stuff that never existed, like a Ghostbusters
ambulance funny car.  All made to fit the standard Revell chassis model for
such.  He made the masters, silicone molds, slush cast them in urethane
resin and sold tons of them.  He grew up (whatever that means) in Long
Beach in the 60s, so go figure.  But he was also a USAF veteran and history
major.  Built a lot of armor pieces, tanks, etc. and also bought small
production run kits from guys in eastern Europe and all over.  He had a lot
of vintage, old, unusual, rare model kits.  Also a bunch of extras, because
he'd buy multiple to cut up, stretch, chop, etc.  He was in southern NM,
his brother Hank is up by Portland, sisters in MI and WA, so our close
friend who lives in Las Cruces still inventoried the 3700+ model kits.
While he sold the lot for $10k, I guarantee it was worth well north of 4x
that.

He was also a diabetic, and the VA sent him regular shipments of a couple
different types of insulin, test strips, glucose meters, etc.  You know how
the govt is, they'd send duplicate shipments, etc. but never worry about
correcting it or whatever so he just stored it cold in case he ever needed
it.  I bet he had another $40k of insulin in the fridge.  Unfortunately
that went in the landfill because it's prescription medication, blah, blah,
blah.  An odd guy but a great friend.  Would show up with beer or burritos,
and NEVER said no if asked for help.  Not a typical diabetic, he played
tennis and drums and would fight to keep his blood sugar high enough.  I
saw him walking around multiple times with glucose levels in the 40s, and
still conscious in single digits.  And yeah, we had to call the ambulance
more than once when we didn't catch it and make him chug a cola and he
passed out.  Which is why a couple of us had keys for his house and yeah we
found him passed out on his floor more than once too after he didn't show
up somewhere and didn't answer the phone.  Anyway Jim, we miss ya!  Still
friends with his brother, who was a Cobra driver in Nam.

But I digress.  The point is, we have quirky hobbies and valuable stuff
that should be destined for someone else who cares about it, not the dump.

On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 11:11 AM Nicholas Stock  wrote:

> Totally agree Robert, Nick..
>
> My wife is constantly harassing me (slight exaggeration...) to make sure I
> have a list of items and market prices if I should *kick the 
> proverbial*after
> collecting/selling for a number of years, nixies have accumulated in price *a
> lot*having them and other tubes end up in a landfill would be a huge
> shame...
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 9:08 AM Nick Andrews 
> wrote:
>
>> After seeing estate sales and ebay stuff, I started an inventory of my
>> Geiger counters, isotope identifiers, other stuff that is worth something
>> on ebay vs thrift store crap.  I got 'permanent' ID labels and printed them
>> with a unique serial number to key to an Excel spreadsheet, and was going
>> to add a photo of the item.  Then, I moved and well, need to start over
>> again.  I mean, ll be dead and not caring any more, but it would be a shame
>> for so much money to be lost for my brothers or nieces...
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 10:37 AM Robert G. Schaffrath <
>> robert.schaffr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I see they sold but no idea what the offer was.
>>>
>>> I agree that selling them as a lot rather than individually is not that
>>> great an idea. I have six NOS, and a seventh used, bubble wrapped and in a
>>> box with a detailed note about them for whichever family member stumbles
>>> across them someday (assuming I do not get a chance to do anything with
>>> them). I advise whomever to investigate selling them individually and that
>>> tossing them would be very stupid.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 8:08:25 PM UTC-4 Kevin A. wrote:
>>>
>>>> If they were tested and guaranteed that would be one thing, but
>>>> throwing a bunch of these in a box as-is and charging top dollar probably
>>>> won't get them moving any time soon...
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2022, 7:24 PM gregebert  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Seller is probably testing the waters to see if anyone take a BIG
>>>>> bite. Next step is to break-up into smaller lots.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 3:48:27 PM UTC-7 Jeff Walton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Remembering some older surplus places prior to the internet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Polypaks was one

Re: [neonixie-l] lot of 34 B7971s on ebay..

[Nick Andrews]

After seeing estate sales and ebay stuff, I started an inventory of my
Geiger counters, isotope identifiers, other stuff that is worth something
on ebay vs thrift store crap.  I got 'permanent' ID labels and printed them
with a unique serial number to key to an Excel spreadsheet, and was going
to add a photo of the item.  Then, I moved and well, need to start over
again.  I mean, ll be dead and not caring any more, but it would be a shame
for so much money to be lost for my brothers or nieces...

On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 10:37 AM Robert G. Schaffrath <
robert.schaffr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I see they sold but no idea what the offer was.
>
> I agree that selling them as a lot rather than individually is not that
> great an idea. I have six NOS, and a seventh used, bubble wrapped and in a
> box with a detailed note about them for whichever family member stumbles
> across them someday (assuming I do not get a chance to do anything with
> them). I advise whomever to investigate selling them individually and that
> tossing them would be very stupid.
>
> On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 8:08:25 PM UTC-4 Kevin A. wrote:
>
>> If they were tested and guaranteed that would be one thing, but throwing
>> a bunch of these in a box as-is and charging top dollar probably won't get
>> them moving any time soon...
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2022, 7:24 PM gregebert  wrote:
>>
>>> Seller is probably testing the waters to see if anyone take a BIG bite.
>>> Next step is to break-up into smaller lots.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 3:48:27 PM UTC-7 Jeff Walton wrote:
>>>
 Remembering some older surplus places prior to the internet.

 Polypaks was one of them that had a printed flyer or ads in the back of
 electronics magazines. They often displayed this disclaimer with some of
 their products,  "... No time to test 'em!"

 Of course,  B-7971's were two for $8 with the Ultronics board...Not
 $200 each.   

 Jeff


  Original message 
 From: Audrey 
 Date: 8/17/22 5:37 PM (GMT-06:00)
 To: neoni...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] lot of 34 B7971s on ebay..

 Yeah. It's silly to sell them all as one lot, and even sillier to not
 figuring out how to test them for that pricepoint...

 On Wed, Aug 17, 2022, 6:30 PM Michail Wilson  wrote:

> Quite the number of tubes.
>
> Since he is asking retail for them all, and not likely too many people
> want or can afford that many, I asked if there was a guarantee since if
> even 1 could be bad, it would make almost the entire order non-profitable.
> Awaiting a response.
>
>
>
>
>
> Michail
>
>
>
> *From:* neoni...@googlegroups.com  *On
> Behalf Of *Audrey
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 17, 2022 10:30 AM
> *To:* neonixie-l 
> *Subject:* [neonixie-l] lot of 34 B7971s on ebay..
>
>
>
> not my listing obviously..
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/354229991047
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Re: [neonixie-l] lot of 34 B7971s on ebay..

[Nick Andrews]

Must be someone in CONgress...

On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 1:00 PM 'Ian Vine' via neonixie-l <
neonixie-l@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
> OK $191 per untested tube! Bit hot.
>
> Ian
> On Wednesday, 17 August 2022 at 18:29:48 BST, Audrey 
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>
> not my listing obviously..
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/354229991047
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Re: [neonixie-l] Soviet DMM Front Panel Labelling

[Nick Andrews]

Yeah, shipping is worse than ever.

On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 2:34 PM Mac Doktor  wrote:

> Another ex-Soviet Nixie DMM:
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/125460995198
>
>
> Take a look at the last picture. The prefix is a capitol letter pi ("П")
> and the rotary switch is set to "R" (Roman alphabet) with a downward
> pointing arrow next to. What do these things indicate?
>
> I've been wondering what the capitol pi was used for since the first time
> I saw an IN-19V. Anyone?
>
>
> I'm seriously tempted but the shipping for the 4kg package is a bit steep.
>
>
> Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
> "The Mac Doctor"
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Re: [neonixie-l] CT scan on obsolete electronic modules

[Nick Andrews]

Very cool!  Makes me want to get off my butt and set up my LIXI scanner...

On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 2:54 AM Tomislav Cordazzo  wrote:

> https://nitter.net/kenshirriff/status/1555631082107654148
> Interesting, no vacuum though.
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Re: [neonixie-l] NL7037's...

[Nick Andrews]

Poor little feller.  I used to have a garage microwave for experimental use.

On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 2:30 PM gregebert  wrote:

> > Short lived. No Hg. I have to replace them pretty frequently in one of
> my clocks (one every 6 months or so), they appear to develop infernal
> shorts... cheap as nuts though...
>
> IN-1's ???   I gave-up on those years ago when I found internal shorts
> literally growing between cathodes. Zapping them with high current is just
> a temporary fix, because they regrow. They do give off a beautiful
> purple-red glow when you fire them off in a microwave oven.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqRscmZMC6w
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 9:03:49 AM UTC-7 nickja...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Yes, I think I bought a hundred of them some time back, and some of other
>> 'cheap' at the time ones.  Haven't looked at prices lately, too scary.  The
>> seller included some extras for breakage, and a few did have the filler nip
>> snapped off.  I set those aside for experimenting once I get my high vacuum
>> station set up.  It shouldn't take much mercury at all to regas one and
>> test it...
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 10:19 AM Nicholas Stock  wrote:
>>
>>> Short lived. No Hg. I have to replace them pretty frequently in one of
>>> my clocks (one every 6 months or so), they appear to develop infernal
>>> shorts... cheap as nuts though...
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Aug 2, 2022, at 07:11, Nick Andrews  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Yeah, that's what I typed, must've been autocorrect...yeah that's it...
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 9:07 AM Audrey  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not to be that guy, but IN-2
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2022, 10:05 AM Nick Andrews  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What's wrong with nipples?  Hehe...  How about the little baby IN-17
>>>>> with a nipple on the side?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 2:56 AM Paul Andrews  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> People think they are ugly until they see them. Tubes with nipples on
>>>>>> top - now *they’re* ugly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 1:02:41 PM UTC-4 Pramanicin wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not dissimilar to NL934's, and they're quite nice looking IMO. Each
>>>>>>> to their own! CD47's, now they're *fugly*.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 10:00 AM bogdanpaduraru via neonixie-l <
>>>>>>> neoni...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Agree with you that they are ugly
>>>>>>>> But It would be nice to have in your colection at least one NIB
>>>>>>>> with matching socket
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 29 Jul 2022, at 19:29, 'Greg P' via neonixie-l <
>>>>>>>> neoni...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gotta be one of the ugliest tubes out there IMHO.  Anode mesh is
>>>>>>>> very coarse and the cathodes are thick and obstruct each other.  Guess
>>>>>>>> people are paying for scarcity and the rounded top.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Z568M / Z5680M or Dalibor tubes way nicer and cheaper.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My guess $1600 for the lot.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 11:48:43 AM UTC-4 Bogdan Paduraru wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Over 2100 USD
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 29 Jul 2022, at 18:28, Kevin A. 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> $1200-$1500 for the lot
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2022, 11:25 AM Nicholas Stock 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Jumbo-National-NL-7037-Nixie-Tubes-NIB-Set-of-4-w-sockets-/234639508700?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276
>>>>>>>>>>
>>&

Re: [neonixie-l] NL7037's...

[Nick Andrews]

It's on the list of crazy crap to try with my ever-growing junk pile!  Most
important is that last night I got the mini split ceiling cassette hung in
the shop and running.  Hoping 1 ton is enough in this TX heat.

On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 11:09 AM Audrey  wrote:

> Ooh, good luck with that nick
>
> On Tue, Aug 2, 2022, 12:03 PM Nick Andrews  wrote:
>
>> Yes, I think I bought a hundred of them some time back, and some of other
>> 'cheap' at the time ones.  Haven't looked at prices lately, too scary.  The
>> seller included some extras for breakage, and a few did have the filler nip
>> snapped off.  I set those aside for experimenting once I get my high vacuum
>> station set up.  It shouldn't take much mercury at all to regas one and
>> test it...
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 10:19 AM Nicholas Stock 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Short lived. No Hg. I have to replace them pretty frequently in one of
>>> my clocks (one every 6 months or so), they appear to develop infernal
>>> shorts... cheap as nuts though...
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Aug 2, 2022, at 07:11, Nick Andrews  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Yeah, that's what I typed, must've been autocorrect...yeah that's it...
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 9:07 AM Audrey  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not to be that guy, but IN-2
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2022, 10:05 AM Nick Andrews 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What's wrong with nipples?  Hehe...  How about the little baby IN-17
>>>>> with a nipple on the side?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 2:56 AM Paul Andrews  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> People think they are ugly until they see them. Tubes with nipples on
>>>>>> top - now *they’re* ugly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 1:02:41 PM UTC-4 Pramanicin wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not dissimilar to NL934's, and they're quite nice looking IMO. Each
>>>>>>> to their own! CD47's, now they're *fugly*.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 10:00 AM bogdanpaduraru via neonixie-l <
>>>>>>> neoni...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Agree with you that they are ugly
>>>>>>>> But It would be nice to have in your colection at least one NIB
>>>>>>>> with matching socket
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 29 Jul 2022, at 19:29, 'Greg P' via neonixie-l <
>>>>>>>> neoni...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gotta be one of the ugliest tubes out there IMHO.  Anode mesh is
>>>>>>>> very coarse and the cathodes are thick and obstruct each other.  Guess
>>>>>>>> people are paying for scarcity and the rounded top.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Z568M / Z5680M or Dalibor tubes way nicer and cheaper.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My guess $1600 for the lot.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 11:48:43 AM UTC-4 Bogdan Paduraru wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Over 2100 USD
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 29 Jul 2022, at 18:28, Kevin A. 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> $1200-$1500 for the lot
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2022, 11:25 AM Nicholas Stock 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Jumbo-National-NL-7037-Nixie-Tubes-NIB-Set-of-4-w-sockets-/234639508700?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...reaches for popcorn.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not my listing etc etc... anyone want to take bets as to how much
>>>>>>>>>> these will go for?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>
>

Re: [neonixie-l] NL7037's...

[Nick Andrews]

Yes, I think I bought a hundred of them some time back, and some of other
'cheap' at the time ones.  Haven't looked at prices lately, too scary.  The
seller included some extras for breakage, and a few did have the filler nip
snapped off.  I set those aside for experimenting once I get my high vacuum
station set up.  It shouldn't take much mercury at all to regas one and
test it...

On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 10:19 AM Nicholas Stock  wrote:

> Short lived. No Hg. I have to replace them pretty frequently in one of my
> clocks (one every 6 months or so), they appear to develop infernal
> shorts... cheap as nuts though...
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 2, 2022, at 07:11, Nick Andrews  wrote:
>
> 
> Yeah, that's what I typed, must've been autocorrect...yeah that's it...
>
> On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 9:07 AM Audrey  wrote:
>
>> Not to be that guy, but IN-2
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2022, 10:05 AM Nick Andrews 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What's wrong with nipples?  Hehe...  How about the little baby IN-17
>>> with a nipple on the side?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 2:56 AM Paul Andrews  wrote:
>>>
>>>> People think they are ugly until they see them. Tubes with nipples on
>>>> top - now *they’re* ugly.
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 1:02:41 PM UTC-4 Pramanicin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Not dissimilar to NL934's, and they're quite nice looking IMO. Each to
>>>>> their own! CD47's, now they're *fugly*.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 10:00 AM bogdanpaduraru via neonixie-l <
>>>>> neoni...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Agree with you that they are ugly
>>>>>> But It would be nice to have in your colection at least one NIB with
>>>>>> matching socket
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 29 Jul 2022, at 19:29, 'Greg P' via neonixie-l <
>>>>>> neoni...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gotta be one of the ugliest tubes out there IMHO.  Anode mesh is
>>>>>> very coarse and the cathodes are thick and obstruct each other.  Guess
>>>>>> people are paying for scarcity and the rounded top.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Z568M / Z5680M or Dalibor tubes way nicer and cheaper.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My guess $1600 for the lot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 11:48:43 AM UTC-4 Bogdan Paduraru wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Over 2100 USD
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 29 Jul 2022, at 18:28, Kevin A. 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> $1200-$1500 for the lot
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2022, 11:25 AM Nicholas Stock 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Jumbo-National-NL-7037-Nixie-Tubes-NIB-Set-of-4-w-sockets-/234639508700?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...reaches for popcorn.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not my listing etc etc... anyone want to take bets as to how much
>>>>>>>> these will go for?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nick
>>>>>>>>
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Re: [neonixie-l] NL7037's...

[Nick Andrews]

Yeah, that's what I typed, must've been autocorrect...yeah that's it...

On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 9:07 AM Audrey  wrote:

> Not to be that guy, but IN-2
>
> On Tue, Aug 2, 2022, 10:05 AM Nick Andrews  wrote:
>
>> What's wrong with nipples?  Hehe...  How about the little baby IN-17 with
>> a nipple on the side?
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 2:56 AM Paul Andrews  wrote:
>>
>>> People think they are ugly until they see them. Tubes with nipples on
>>> top - now *they’re* ugly.
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 1:02:41 PM UTC-4 Pramanicin wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not dissimilar to NL934's, and they're quite nice looking IMO. Each to
>>>> their own! CD47's, now they're *fugly*.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 10:00 AM bogdanpaduraru via neonixie-l <
>>>> neoni...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Agree with you that they are ugly
>>>>> But It would be nice to have in your colection at least one NIB with
>>>>> matching socket
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On 29 Jul 2022, at 19:29, 'Greg P' via neonixie-l <
>>>>> neoni...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Gotta be one of the ugliest tubes out there IMHO.  Anode mesh is very
>>>>> coarse and the cathodes are thick and obstruct each other.  Guess people
>>>>> are paying for scarcity and the rounded top.
>>>>>
>>>>> Z568M / Z5680M or Dalibor tubes way nicer and cheaper.
>>>>>
>>>>> My guess $1600 for the lot.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 11:48:43 AM UTC-4 Bogdan Paduraru wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Over 2100 USD
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 29 Jul 2022, at 18:28, Kevin A. 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> $1200-$1500 for the lot
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2022, 11:25 AM Nicholas Stock 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Jumbo-National-NL-7037-Nixie-Tubes-NIB-Set-of-4-w-sockets-/234639508700?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...reaches for popcorn.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not my listing etc etc... anyone want to take bets as to how much
>>>>>>> these will go for?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nick
>>>>>>>
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Re: [neonixie-l] NL7037's...

[Nick Andrews]

What's wrong with nipples?  Hehe...  How about the little baby IN-17 with a
nipple on the side?

On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 2:56 AM Paul Andrews  wrote:

> People think they are ugly until they see them. Tubes with nipples on top
> - now *they’re* ugly.
>
> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 1:02:41 PM UTC-4 Pramanicin wrote:
>
>> Not dissimilar to NL934's, and they're quite nice looking IMO. Each to
>> their own! CD47's, now they're *fugly*.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 10:00 AM bogdanpaduraru via neonixie-l <
>> neoni...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Agree with you that they are ugly
>>> But It would be nice to have in your colection at least one NIB with
>>> matching socket
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 29 Jul 2022, at 19:29, 'Greg P' via neonixie-l <
>>> neoni...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Gotta be one of the ugliest tubes out there IMHO.  Anode mesh is very
>>> coarse and the cathodes are thick and obstruct each other.  Guess people
>>> are paying for scarcity and the rounded top.
>>>
>>> Z568M / Z5680M or Dalibor tubes way nicer and cheaper.
>>>
>>> My guess $1600 for the lot.
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 11:48:43 AM UTC-4 Bogdan Paduraru wrote:
>>>
 Over 2100 USD


 On 29 Jul 2022, at 18:28, Kevin A. 
 wrote:

 

 $1200-$1500 for the lot

 On Fri, Jul 29, 2022, 11:25 AM Nicholas Stock 
 wrote:

>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Jumbo-National-NL-7037-Nixie-Tubes-NIB-Set-of-4-w-sockets-/234639508700?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276
>
> ...reaches for popcorn.
>
> Not my listing etc etc... anyone want to take bets as to how much
> these will go for?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Nick
>
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Re: [neonixie-l] NL7037's...

[Nick Andrews]

I dunno, I like them.  But not gonna pay.

On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 11:29 AM 'Greg P' via neonixie-l <
neonixie-l@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Gotta be one of the ugliest tubes out there IMHO.  Anode mesh is very
> coarse and the cathodes are thick and obstruct each other.  Guess people
> are paying for scarcity and the rounded top.
>
> Z568M / Z5680M or Dalibor tubes way nicer and cheaper.
>
> My guess $1600 for the lot.
>
> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 11:48:43 AM UTC-4 Bogdan Paduraru wrote:
>
>> Over 2100 USD
>>
>>
>> On 29 Jul 2022, at 18:28, Kevin A.  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> $1200-$1500 for the lot
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2022, 11:25 AM Nicholas Stock  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Jumbo-National-NL-7037-Nixie-Tubes-NIB-Set-of-4-w-sockets-/234639508700?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276
>>>
>>> ...reaches for popcorn.
>>>
>>> Not my listing etc etc... anyone want to take bets as to how much these
>>> will go for?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Nick
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: 9-segment nixie posted on Ebay

[Nick Andrews]

Careful what you offer, I think Terry has a long list he might give you.
People who outbid him, those who destroyed classic vintage test gear just
to sell the tubes, etc

On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 4:21 PM Audrey  wrote:

> I would kill for a copy of your archive.
>
> On Wed, Jul 27, 2022, 5:17 PM Mac Doktor  wrote:
>
>>
>> On Jul 27, 2022, at 4:56 PM, Audrey  wrote:
>>
>> Wow!! Thanks a million mac 
>>
>>
>> I have a large eBay archive that's mostly test equipment with Nixies,
>> Dekatrons etc. I also have a few manuals for said gear.
>>
>>
>> Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
>> "The Mac Doctor"
>>
>> https://www.astarcloseup.com
>>
>> "Would you like to see the relevant data?"—343 Guilty Spark, *Halo 2*
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: B7971 tubes for sale - $150 each

[Nick Andrews]

Now, if I could only remember where I stashed that time machine...

On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 7:20 AM Robert G. Schaffrath <
robert.schaffr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Poly Paks, Meshna, et al. By 1979 used tubes were $4/each and NOS were
> $5/each at Meshna. I bought a few NOS that I still have but looking back,
> yes I wish I had bought more. But, honestly, what to do with all of them
> back then? They were still pretty common.
>
> On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 7:01:41 PM UTC-4 gregebert wrote:
>
>> I'm still kicking myself for not buying a bunch of these from PolyPaks
>> back in the 1970's
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 1:35:25 PM UTC-7 Pramanicin wrote:
>>
>>> Tubes have sold.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 6:54 AM Nicholas Stock  wrote:
>>>
 Hi folks, I have a contact looking to sell 4 B7971 tubes. They are
 untested, but look to be in good shape from the attached photos. $150 each
 per tube (which is significantly less than what they're selling for on eBay
 at the moment, believe it or not!).

 [image: unnamed.jpg]
 [image: unnamed-2.jpg]

 If anyone is interested, then please contact Jeff directly at
 k3dua...@gmail.com

 Cheers,

 Nick

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Re: [neonixie-l] Noon to be dekatron spinner owner

[Nick Andrews]

I'm really not at all familiar with them, but am interested to learn more.
I do have an old Heathkit(?) cap tester that uses one of the end-on style
tubes.  I need to dig that out and see if it works.

Have a small stash of IN-9 and IN-13 bought before prices became idiotic
that I might use for a thermometer or spectrum display at some point.  But
no magic eyes yet other than the one...

On Sun, Apr 24, 2022 at 7:57 PM Mac Doktor  wrote:

>
> On Apr 24, 2022, at 5:25 PM, Aisha Love  wrote:
>
> My interest started with Nixie tubes and expanded from there. I hope to
> one day have a large collection of unique vintage display devices.
>
>
> Magic eyes. Here are some really inexpensive boards that are a good
> starting point. They have a 12V jack, 3.5mm audio jack and a power switch out
> of the way in the back. This first one includes a Chinese EM84:
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/193443031569
>
>
> The second is almost identical. It uses three different sockets for three
> different pinouts: EM80/81, EM800/EM84 or a Soviet 6E5S:
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/191011269169
>
>
> The seller has all three sockets. I bought six boards and two sets of
> sockets. I also scored two or three each of the tubes listed above. The
> only caveat with these particular boards is that the 6V regulator and the
> power MOSFET don't have heatsinks and I haven't been able to find any small
> enough to fit (there's almost no room). The first board has an LM317 and it
> gets hotter than the LM7806.
>
> The 6E5S really heats things up. My eternal thanks to anyone who can find
> an affordable TO-220 heatsink that's barely larger than the horizontal TTR
> itself.
>
>
> My apologies if I've already talked about this before. I'm very happy with
> what I ended up with and like to share. 8D
>
> I really do need to post this info to my blog but I haven't had time to
> take pictures and shoot video. Sound familiar?
>
>
> Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
> "The Mac Doctor"
>
> "If only you could see what I've seen with your eyes."—Roy Batty, *Blade
> Runner*
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Re: Analog graphics - was Re: [neonixie-l] Your vote please...

[Nick Andrews]

Pretty cool stuff.  The commenters on that first link are right though, you
can reproduce all that vinyl distortion and noise digitally and make it
sound identical, if that's what you're into.  Maybe one of these days I'll
do a CRT clock.  Guess I should look for a nice CRT to hoard...

On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 10:52 AM Paul Andrews  wrote:

> It looks like it is almost working, so might be worth trying to repair,
> though space can be pretty tight in there. I was in a similar situation and
> chose to replace the electronics with a clock kit. I modified it heavily to
> also work as a bluetooth speaker with audio visualization
> https://youtu.be/3Jtd4h9_4nk.
>
> An alternative to a clock is a vector graphics game mod (think battlezone
> and asteroids). This is one
> https://hackaday.com/2015/12/29/32c3-vector-video-games/, this is another
> https://hackaday.com/2020/05/07/scopetrex-is-a-game-console-for-your-oscilloscope/.
> I'm not sure if these are replacements, or if they just connect to the X/Y
> inputs of a working 'scope.
>
> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 9:44:57 AM UTC-4 Toby Thain wrote:
>
>> On 2022-04-24 7:45 p.m., Mac Doktor wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Apr 24, 2022, at 6:10 PM, 'John Rehwinkel' via neonixie-l
>> >> mailto:neoni...@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I'd *really* like to know what frequency ratios of oscillators B and
>> >>> C create static or cycling patterns (A & D produce a lissajous figure
>> >>> baseline)). My idea is to use something like an Arduino with some
>> >>> rotary encoders that jump between ideal frequencies.
>> >>
>> >> Not high frequency at all, that project was from 1975.  Oscillator A
>> >> is 60Hz, oscillator B is variable from 60-240Hz, oscillator C is
>> >> variable from 300-3000Hz, and oscillator D is variable from 30-300Hz.
>> >
>> > True but we're dealing with square waves here. Doing this digitally
>> > (which I am very interested in) requires a decent sampling rate to keep
>> > the corners sharp, which is a large part of the appeal of this analog
>> > version. Having tried it with a laser and some galvos I can tell you
>> > that good bandwidth makes a big difference. And that's as much as I
>> know
>> > about it. I'm here to learn from you guys.
>>
>> I've been working on a vector generator. The first iteration is about
>> 20k vectors/second but supports lines and points only (no circle
>> segments or anything fancy yet). Just finished routing the PCB.
>>
>> It should be usable with most dev boards that use Arduino Uno pinout
>> (3.3v or 5v). I have been testing with NXP Freedom KE06Z but I expect to
>> port the code to Duemilanove and STM32 Nucleo G474RE at least.
>>
>> Sample output: https://imgur.com/a/fZfqSmG
>>
>> --Toby
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >> I've been using a Teensy board, that processor has a pair of built-in
>> >> DACs, so it wasn't hard to have the old scopes display their own
>> names.
>> >
>> > 8 bit DACs? Tell me more.
>> >
>> >
>> > Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
>> > "The Mac Doctor"
>> >
>> > https://www.astarcloseup.com 
>> >
>> > “...the book said something astonishing, a very big thought. The stars,
>> > it said, were suns but very far away. The Sun was a star but close
>> > up.”—Carl Sagan, "The Backbone Of Night",/Cosmos/, 1980
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Re: [neonixie-l] eBay Paranoia

[Nick Andrews]

I've had pretty good luck as well, but did get screwed over by a dishonest
seller a couple years ago where I won a bid on a rare RADIAC set with a
very rare probe.  Scumbag canceled the sale (after I paid even) and
actually wrote that he couldn't afford to sell it for the closing price
because he had more into it than that (which I doubt).  He had listed it as
ButItNow at just under $3k for months and months, then finally listed it as
an auction, which I won for a reasonable number.  I reported to ebay and
they did nothing even though I had it in writing through their messaging
system that he was flagrantly violating the rules.  So my hobby is from
time to time reporting a bunch of his auctions as fraudulent, stolen,
illegal, etc.  Maybe I should buy something really cheap from him so I can
get his address.

But with  several thousand other transactions, not an issue as a buyer or
seller on epay, except their increasingly exorbitant fees, and now the tax
nonsense.

On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 6:40 PM ZY  wrote:

> I've been buying from ebay/aliexpress/etsy with no issues, I probably have
> 500+ transactions over the past 10 years. But as with all internet orders,
> I do have the occasional missing item or broken item sent to me. I've
> gotten my money back every single time, ebay/aliexpress would 99% of the
> time side with the buyer and they'll give you an instant refund.
>
> I also sell on ebay, I think they give you the option now for fees like
> shipping costs to be deducted directly from the sale instead of debting
> from the bank.
>
> I would trust these large internet vendors with my CC info more than the
> restaurant I go to tbh, these large companies have been operating for years
> and have millions of dollars pouring into security. The restaurant nearby
> who takes my credit card could just be skimming my info at the counter for
> all I know. I guess it's a US thing, in Canada they bring the small
> handheld CC machine to you so your CC never leaves your hands.
>
> On Sunday, 3 April 2022 at 07:31:59 UTC-4 Robert G. Schaffrath wrote:
>
>> My biggest issues with eBay in the past were not receiving and item
>> though it was a rare occurrence. I would contact eBay and they would tell
>> me to contact PayPal. Contacted PayPal and they would tell me to contact
>> eBay. One big circle j__k. Since the amounts had been under USD$10, I just
>> wrote it off. But it has always made me very leery of buying anything on
>> eBay though I have not had any issues for many years. When I first opened
>> my PayPal account, I too worried about them having my checking account. In
>> the end, I opened a second checking account at a different bank right near
>> me where I already had a savings account. I keep very little money in the
>> account as I can easily transfer money from savings to checking as needed
>> (I think back to when I was kid in the 1960's and my father would drive to
>> the savings bank, take out money and then drive to the commercial bank to
>> put it in the checking account - glad that is a thing of the past). As
>> such, there is very little PayPal, or now eBay, can take from me if they
>> are hacked or just decide they want some money for some reason.
>>
>> On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 12:10:32 PM UTC-4 SWISSNIXIE - Jonathan F.
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've never had problems with payments on ebay so far, but i have to
>>> admit that i think ebay is getting worse and worse every day.
>>> My biggest issue is that ebay is actively hiding items that can't be
>>> delivered to your address. I have multiple addresses for shipping, but only
>>> the primary one is considered valid at searches. Its a pain switching
>>> between 3 addresses to see "all" items for a specific search.  Not to
>>> mention the ridiculous forced translations they do since a while ago...
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 2 April 2022 at 00:39:29 UTC+2 Jim KO5V wrote:
>>>
 Thanks to everyone who responded. I am very frustrated with eBay, since
 I get an email every couple of weeks telling me that "action is required to
 put my account back in good standing". It sounds like I am a deadbeat,
 rather than a paying customer.

 I had considered opening a 'for internet use only' bank account, but
 giving out my social security number is probably always going to be the
 real problem. It might already have been compromised, but I guess I just
 don't want to volunteer any more information than is necessary.

 As I get older, I am wanting to simplify. eBay is convenient, but there
 are ham radio sites, etc where I can sell my treasures, so except for the
 occasional purchase, I'm  probably done with eBay - after almost 25 years.

  Best regards, Jim



 On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 7:24:15 AM UTC-6 Paul Andrews wrote:

> @threeneurons, that is very sensible. As someone who had their
> identity stolen I am very wary about any of this. BTW 'stolen identity'
> does not mean they 

[neonixie-l] Anyone have a data sheet for blue 16-segment LEDs?

[Nick Andrews]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/324844542148?var=513847918490

I bought some of these to play with and am having issues finding the actual
data sheet.  Found some for similar but different color variants.  But I
want to know the recommended max parameters to decide how bright I want to
drive them.  Thanks!

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Re: [neonixie-l] A pair of Rodan Okaya CD47 / GR414 on eBay (used with green corrosion on one pin).....

[Nick Andrews]

I did this when my brother was stationed in Germany many moons ago to buy a
sweet Schuberth motorcycle helmet which was there near Trier.  I sent my
brother money, he used a local bank to pay and picked it up, then sent it
to me via APO way cheaper than shipping would have been from the seller.

Years later, I had him haul me an arcade cabinet from Denver down to Las
Cruces too.  What's up with arcade stuff now, anyway?  Most cabinets on
ebay are ridiculous (like $2000) if they are real or are just those new
cheapo One Up (or similar) knockdown ones sold at Walmart.  Anyone else
here save old 19" CRT TV sets to use the tubes as spares for their arcade
monitors?

On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 6:14 AM Dekatron42 
wrote:

> That site is legitimate and I've had help from people in Germany to buy
> from it as it is local to Germany (sadly all my contacts have moved from
> Germany now during the Covid Pandemic) - as with all sites where people can
> offer items for sale you will have to take all measures you can to protect
> yourself. I can't say if this site has more problems than other sites but
> people tend not to accept Paypal on ebay-kleinanzeigen when I've asked. I
> have made some good buys there and never been cheated but refrained from
> buying some items when people have felt a bit shady and not accepted Paypal.
>
> Best is to get a local person to help you out with the buying and also
> have them collect the items in person.
>
> /Martin
>
> On Monday, 14 February 2022 at 12:49:24 UTC+1 Bill Notfaded wrote:
>
>> The eBay website doesn't look like normal eBay.de has anyone heard of
>> this auction site before?
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022, 4:38 AM Dekatron42  wrote:
>>
>>> The photos used in the eBay auction I started this thread with are
>>> identical to the photos use in this "ebay-kleinanzeigen" listing (even the
>>> serial numbers on the Nixies as well as the green corrosion on one pin) -
>>> maybe the buyer just realized he didn't need them or they weren't as he
>>> expected them to be and just wants to sell them, I don't know.
>>>
>>> /Martin
>>>
>>> On Monday, 14 February 2022 at 12:13:51 UTC+1 Bill Notfaded wrote:
>>>
 I don't know what this other eBay is all about?

 Bill

 On Mon, Feb 14, 2022, 2:14 AM Audrey  wrote:

> I saw that, i think it's a scam.
>
> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022, 4:11 AM 'Bogdan Paduraru' via neonixie-l <
> neoni...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> apparently these Rodans appeared for sale on local DEU
>>
>>
>> https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/2x-rodan-okaya-cd47-gr414-riesige-nixie-raritaet/2021805800-168-4863
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 15, 2021 at 8:11:44 PM UTC+2 tntm...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It makes sense considering they are from japanese and were most
>>> likely special use (displays for trains, weigh stations, etc...)
>>> I wonder if there's a japanese neonixie we just dont know about...
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021, 7:40 AM Bill Notfaded 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This is why I still buy tubes that I can find... there never will
 ever be anymore so what's out there is it.  Most recently I bought a 
 bunch
 more B-5971's.  I missed out on these CD47's... it's one tube I don't 
 have
 and I just love what Paul Andrews did with his!!!  I'd like to have at
 least one.  It's seems, from I've seen, all Rodan tubes in general are
 really hard to find.

 Bill

 On Wednesday, November 24, 2021 at 7:40:45 AM UTC-7 Robert G.
 Schaffrath wrote:

> Which is why I am sitting on my NOS B7971 tubes. Someday I think
> my heirs will be pleasantly surprised at the value of the bubble 
> wrapped
> tubes in the carton they are stored in. I already have a note in the 
> box to
> the attention of whomever to do research before they just toss them 
> out and
> some recent eBay auction printouts.
>
> On Monday, November 22, 2021 at 2:54:20 PM UTC-5 LB wrote:
>
>> Who knows, they might be the ones laughing in 5 years when a
>> single tube goes for $10,000
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Re: [neonixie-l] Sale IN-14 used

[Nick Andrews]

Sounds good to me.  Thank you.

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022, 1:28 PM Yuriy Ovchinnikov 
wrote:

> I will write to you when I receive them.
>
> пн, 7 февр. 2022 г. в 21:02, Nick Andrews :
>
>> Hello Yuriy,
>>
>> I am interested in 20, depending on shipping.   Texas, USA zip code
>> 78217.  Thank you.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 7, 2022, 8:17 AM 'Yuriy Ovchinnikov' via neonixie-l <
>> neonixie-l@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> Sale 60 pcs. IN-14 used for $10 ea.
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Re: [neonixie-l] Sale IN-14 used

[Nick Andrews]

Hello Yuriy,

I am interested in 20, depending on shipping.   Texas, USA zip code 78217.
Thank you.

Nick

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> Hi,
> Sale 60 pcs. IN-14 used for $10 ea.
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Re: [neonixie-l] For the dekatron geeks among us...

[Nick Andrews]

Sweet, I like it.

On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 4:09 PM Jon  wrote:

> With the kind assistance of Nick, I recently got my hands on rather a rare
> bird - the Chatham Electronics CH1047. It's a big tube with a B14A base,
> rather ugly to my eyes, but very interesting nonetheless. Made for a short
> period in the mid 1950s, the internal construction is quite different to
> other counting tubes, though the operating mechanism is essentially that
> used in the Western Electric 6167. It's a base 10 selector with directional
> cathodes and transfer electrodes, so only spins in one direction. And it
> glows a rather fetching purple colour...
>
> Attached are a couple of photos showing an overview of the tube, and also
> the glow resting on one cathode. Using my Dekatron Explorer unit (modular
> universal dekatron tester), I was able to spin the tube up to about 2000
> pulses per second - a slow speed spin is shown in the linked Youtube video
>  (apols for the quality - it was a quick
> hack movie on my phone).
>
> Jon.
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Re: [neonixie-l] Nixie in Video game spotted.

[Nick Andrews]

Haha, I call that Congressional Science.  Just because it's not actually
technically possible doesn't mean we can't legislate it...

On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 9:38 AM David Forbes  wrote:

> Well, at least a 2D representation of a Nixie tube cathode in a decidedly
> non-Nixie-tube housing.
>
> Similar to that ridiculous Nixie watch in Metro:Last Light with end-view
> tubes that's 14mm thick in total. And people want replicas of it made with
> real Nixie tubes.
>
> Ah, video game physics...
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 1, 2022, 2:43 PM Michail Wilson  wrote:
>
>>
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/VRGaming/comments/shtsx0/hell_road_vr_30_sale_on_steam/
>>
>> Michail Wilson
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Re: [neonixie-l] Is it just me?

[Nick Andrews]

Sellers on Amazon have been doing this lately too.  I ordered a 2" rod of
UHMW plastic for $12+ and said they only had one.  Next day they had more,
but at $18.  Bastiches.  Another seller had more at the lower price so I
ordered some from them.

On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 6:45 PM Michail Wilson  wrote:

> I always check the price history to see when and how much.
>
>
>
> I know of sellers selling something for a normal price, then after I buy
> and get it, they change their auction to a completely different cheaper
> item so it appears to new people that the cheap item sold for a higher
> amount.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Michail Wilson
>
> 206-920-6312
>
>
>
> *From:* neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  *On
> Behalf Of *Bartek Ogryz
> *Sent:* Monday, January 24, 2022 1:39 PM
> *To:* neonixie-l 
> *Subject:* Re: [neonixie-l] Is it just me?
>
>
>
> Do you know how eastern sellers (Ukrainians, Russians, etc) are uplifting
> the tubes prices? It's a very simple trick :)
>
> I had bought many IV-25 about a year ago for funny money. It was a real
> catch! After a few days, the seller had raised the price 10x. From that
> moment on, every next person, who had found that auction, could think, that
> so many tubes had sold for that high price :)
>
>
>
> Tubes prices increased twice last year.
>
>
>
> Bartek.
>
> poniedziałek, 24 stycznia 2022 o 20:40:32 UTC+1 nickja...@gmail.com
> napisał(a):
>
> That's just crazy talk.  Glad I picked up some IN-9 and IN-13 a while
> back, but wish I'd bought a lot more.  I think IN-9 should be about $5-6ea
> and the 13s what, $10?  I wish, not any more!  I think it's awesome that
> some folks are being inventive and making things, but it really sucks when
> it ruins the market for specific items which haven't been made in decades.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 4:39 PM Mac Doktor  wrote:
>
> Some blathering...
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 23, 2022, at 12:44 PM, Bill Notfaded  wrote:
>
>
>
> Perhaps for some of us collectors we now sit on a gold mine
>
>
>
> Everything I've bought in the last five years seems to have turned into a
> good to excellent investment. IN-13s have of course gone up in price at a
> steady pace but over the last year or so IN-9s have absolutely
> *skyrocketed*. For example:
>
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/223870481127
>
>
>
>
>
> That's $14.36 apiece including shipping but not taxes—for a lot of 25! If
> you click on the number of lots sold you'll see that last February the BIN
> was only $179. o_O
>
>
>
> Ridiculous asking prices are nothing new on eBay but I've bought from this
> seller in the past and he/she/it was reasonable then.
>
>
>
> The pandemic is the major factor in all of this but we all know that
> stocks of Soviet surplus are dwindling as well. Also, a certain Chinese
> "VU" meter with two IN-9s suddenly turned up everywhere in the last year.
> The typical price is something like $109. Could that be factor #3?
>
>
>
>
>
> Forget about hoarding IN-14s, I should have borrowed some money and bought
> every IN-9 in sight a year ago. I would have at least doubled my money by
> Christmas.  8D
>
>
>
>
>
> Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
> "The Mac Doctor"
>
> "There is no Main Street anymore except at Disneyland—and try and buy a
> gun there"—Hank Hill
>
>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Is it just me?

[Nick Andrews]

That's just crazy talk.  Glad I picked up some IN-9 and IN-13 a while back,
but wish I'd bought a lot more.  I think IN-9 should be about $5-6ea and
the 13s what, $10?  I wish, not any more!  I think it's awesome that some
folks are being inventive and making things, but it really sucks when it
ruins the market for specific items which haven't been made in decades.

On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 4:39 PM Mac Doktor  wrote:

> Some blathering...
>
>
> On Jan 23, 2022, at 12:44 PM, Bill Notfaded  wrote:
>
> Perhaps for some of us collectors we now sit on a gold mine
>
>
> Everything I've bought in the last five years seems to have turned into a
> good to excellent investment. IN-13s have of course gone up in price at a
> steady pace but over the last year or so IN-9s have absolutely
> *skyrocketed*. For example:
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/223870481127
>
>
> That's $14.36 apiece including shipping but not taxes—for a lot of 25! If
> you click on the number of lots sold you'll see that last February the BIN
> was only $179. o_O
>
> Ridiculous asking prices are nothing new on eBay but I've bought from this
> seller in the past and he/she/it was reasonable then.
>
> The pandemic is the major factor in all of this but we all know that
> stocks of Soviet surplus are dwindling as well. Also, a certain Chinese
> "VU" meter with two IN-9s suddenly turned up everywhere in the last year.
> The typical price is something like $109. Could that be factor #3?
>
>
> Forget about hoarding IN-14s, I should have borrowed some money and bought
> every IN-9 in sight a year ago. I would have at least doubled my money by
> Christmas.  8D
>
>
> Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
> "The Mac Doctor"
>
> "There is no Main Street anymore except at Disneyland—and try and buy a
> gun there"—Hank Hill
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Re: [neonixie-l] Is it just me?

[Nick Andrews]

But that seller graciously offered me that tube for only $7000...

On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 10:50 PM Mac Doktor  wrote:

>
> On Jan 23, 2022, at 11:11 PM, Bill Notfaded  wrote:
>
> This is what really set me off:
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/174977901251
>
>
> I've been told by someone who knows these sorts of things that this price
> is just a tad high. And so is the seller. Much more so.
>
> Nice though the object is...
>
>
> Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
> "The Mac Doctor"
>
> Male voice: "That accident over in Red Sector L destroyed another 63
> personnel, giving them a total of 242 lost to our 195. Keep up the good
> work and prevent accidents. This shift is concluded."—*THX 1138*
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[neonixie-l] Re: Slightly OT: plasma guitar pedal

[Nick Andrews]

So a little more research revealed they are using photoflash type lamps
35mm long with xenon in them.  The yellow model is simply a filter over the
tube.  They did that for Jack White, who wanted it yellow!  Apparently they
boost the guitar signal to 3500 volts, then arc the tube and use an antenna
to pick up the signal and demodulate it back to usable audio, much like AM
radio.  Interesting!

On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 9:55 AM Nick Andrews  wrote:

> So my neighbor plays bass in a couple of bands and showed me this 'plasma
> pedal' the other night.  They're not cheap and he mentioned maybe we could
> build one.  I told him I hadn't seen it before but would check it out.
> Now, I see a couple of different ones, the common one being an argon
> discharge tube and the other maybe neon as it has an orange crackle.  Any
> knowledge of these devices or ideas?  Looks pretty cool to me.
>
> https://gamechangeraudio.com/plasma/
>
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[neonixie-l] Slightly OT: plasma guitar pedal

[Nick Andrews]

So my neighbor plays bass in a couple of bands and showed me this 'plasma
pedal' the other night.  They're not cheap and he mentioned maybe we could
build one.  I told him I hadn't seen it before but would check it out.
Now, I see a couple of different ones, the common one being an argon
discharge tube and the other maybe neon as it has an orange crackle.  Any
knowledge of these devices or ideas?  Looks pretty cool to me.

https://gamechangeraudio.com/plasma/

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Re: [neonixie-l] Now it's time for some "real" neon!

[Nick Andrews]

Nice find!  I love real neon stuff.  Have the Heineken bottle cap sign and
it's awesome.  Have two, actually.  One is broken from poor packing.  Got a
refund and kept the sign some years back.  Crazy ideas on maybe fixing it
myself some day but there are some crazy tight bends in the tubing!

On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 8:00 AM martin martin  wrote:

> I was helping a friend clean out his garage and this popped in to view.
> How could I leave it there to break or be lost?
>
> If one looks close at the clear glass it really looks great.
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Re: [neonixie-l] Dekatron Clock Kits

[Nick Andrews]

Those are pretty awesome clocks!  A bit more than I want to shell out right
now, but kits look attractive.  Did you ever adapt it to use the Soviet
tubes that are slightly more available?

On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 5:58 AM 'Grahame' via neonixie-l <
neonixie-l@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Please forgive the blatant advert...
>
> I have a few dekatron clocks available from the first batch of kits I
> made up and Nick has his cases available. Details are here:
>
> http://www.sgitheach.org.uk/harwell.html
>
> and here
>
> https://stocksclocks.com/index.php/harwell-a-dekatron-clock/
>
> Nick will also sell built and cased clocks. We have dekatrons available.
> The prices and open source documentation are available on the webpages.
> I will be making up further kits in the future.
>
> If you are interested, I am currently making up kits for a second batch
> of our E1T clock:
>
> http://www.sgitheach.org.uk/fortress.html
>
> If you want to lodge your interest with me then please do so and I will
> be back in touch when the kits are ready. I have a limited stock of E1T
> tubes.
>
> Nick has built and cased clocks available now - details are here
>
> https://stocksclocks.com/index.php/fortress-an-e1t-clock/
>
> Please PM Nick or I (or both) and please don't reply to the list.
>
> Ta Grahame
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Re: [neonixie-l] A pair of Rodan Okaya CD47 / GR414 on eBay (used with green corrosion on one pin).....

[Nick Andrews]

A house number display made with these would look very cool.  While also
being the most expensive one ever made...

On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 9:47 AM gregebert  wrote:

> For the lucky few who have one or more of these enormous beasts, have you
> seen any hint of degradation or leakage ? I've always wondered if there
> were manufacturing challenges due to the size.
>
> Also, is the glass thicker than typical nixies ?
>
> On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 6:08:19 PM UTC-8 tntm...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> IMO they dont look too bad, theyre called working
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 17, 2021, 9:06 PM Terry S  wrote:
>>
>>> Fugly is in the eye of the beholder.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 1:49:18 PM UTC-6 Pramanicin wrote:
>>>
 Again, fugly tubes...

 :)

 On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 11:03 AM Dekatron42 
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> Just spotted these: https://www.ebay.com/itm/353770528495 used with
> green corrosion on at least one pin.
>
> /Martin
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Homemade Purple Nixie Tube

[Nick Andrews]

 laughing about the insane
>>>> overreaction to breakage of CFLs in school classrooms.  I've never tried
>>>> opening a tube in a controlled fashion myself, but have seen tiny droplets
>>>> in broken ones, usually near the ends of the tube.
>>>>
>>>> Been playing with glass laser tubes a little the last week.  Found that
>>>> Gammex patient positioners used both red and green HeNe before diodes took
>>>> over.  Got one that won't lase though the plasma tube is a nice bright
>>>> pink.  It hisses or buzzes continuously but no beam output.  The PS is good
>>>> as it lit up a couple of similar size d tubes last night when I tried.  I
>>>> need to completely remove it and try sighting through the bore.  It's
>>>> possible it's leaking and coming up in pressure slowly and is now dead.  I
>>>> was looking at the metal evac/fill tube where it's crimped off and
>>>> wondering about the possibilities of re-gassing...  I have a couple of
>>>> those metal tube ends with some defunct old tubes I got from Laser Sam a
>>>> couple years back for experimenting.  More interests, less time...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 2:37 PM Mac Doktor  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 20, 2021, at 2:59 PM, Nick Andrews  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> A guy built a device to try and capture the mercury, thinking he could
>>>>> recover and build up a small supply.  He found that he never could get any
>>>>> significant quantity from the tubes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Did he condense the vapor first?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
>>>>> "The Mac Doctor"
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.astarcloseup.com
>>>>>
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>>>>> stars, it said, were suns but very far away. The Sun was a star but close
>>>>> up.”—Carl Sagan, "The Backbone Of Night", *Cosmos*, 1980
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Homemade Purple Nixie Tube

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I don't recall for certain if it was NeonJohn or another guy, or even what
group it was in.  Could've been the old geigercounterenthusiasts group on
yahoo.  This was some time ago, when we were laughing about the insane
overreaction to breakage of CFLs in school classrooms.  I've never tried
opening a tube in a controlled fashion myself, but have seen tiny droplets
in broken ones, usually near the ends of the tube.

Been playing with glass laser tubes a little the last week.  Found that
Gammex patient positioners used both red and green HeNe before diodes took
over.  Got one that won't lase though the plasma tube is a nice bright
pink.  It hisses or buzzes continuously but no beam output.  The PS is good
as it lit up a couple of similar size d tubes last night when I tried.  I
need to completely remove it and try sighting through the bore.  It's
possible it's leaking and coming up in pressure slowly and is now dead.  I
was looking at the metal evac/fill tube where it's crimped off and
wondering about the possibilities of re-gassing...  I have a couple of
those metal tube ends with some defunct old tubes I got from Laser Sam a
couple years back for experimenting.  More interests, less time...

On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 2:37 PM Mac Doktor  wrote:

>
> On Oct 20, 2021, at 2:59 PM, Nick Andrews  wrote:
>
> A guy built a device to try and capture the mercury, thinking he could
> recover and build up a small supply.  He found that he never could get any
> significant quantity from the tubes.
>
>
> Did he condense the vapor first?
>
>
> Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
> "The Mac Doctor"
>
> https://www.astarcloseup.com
>
> “...the book said something astonishing, a very big thought. The stars, it
> said, were suns but very far away. The Sun was a star but close up.”—Carl
> Sagan, "The Backbone Of Night", *Cosmos*, 1980
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Homemade Purple Nixie Tube

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No biggie, just don't breathe in the vapor and you'll be fine.  Any idea
how many fluorescent tubes I've shattered over the years?  We used to use
them as lightsabers at the old NMSU dump.  The 8' ones were loud when they
popped!  But seriously, how much could it take for one tube?  A 4' flo tube
had something less than 1/20 of a drop in it.  A guy built a device to try
and capture the mercury, thinking he could recover and build up a small
supply.  He found that he never could get any significant quantity from the
tubes.  My carburetor sync gauge uses mercury.  Thought about getting a
newer one that has small tungsten rods in it instead but haven't yet.

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> I’ve got a GE AR-4, and I’m pretty sure it takes 120vac. I imagine it has
> some mixture of gasses, like mercury and argon, that allow it to strike at
> a lower voltage. Not sure about the feasibility of incorporating mercury
> into tubes made in the home shop though.
>
> On Oct 19, 2021, at 3:56 PM, jf0303...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> You can get a purple/UV glow with argon.  I used to have an AR-1 lamp
> with an Edison base that worked off the US mains, or something  less than
> 400V.  (it had a built0in dropping resistor).
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Re: [neonixie-l] What is going on?

[Nick Andrews]

Not when they think they are worth $3-900 on ebay!

On Tue, Sep 7, 2021, 7:11 PM Audrey  wrote:

> Yeah. Especially nixie calculators. I absolutely hate to see those
> destroyed.
>
> On Tue, Sep 7, 2021, 8:09 PM Trumpeter  wrote:
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>> Hopefully they don't catch on to all the test equipment with nixies in
>> them...nothing will be spared.
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 9:51:52 AM UTC-7 nickja...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Haha, that was a joke referring to overblown hype.  But construction
>>> materials and labor are in short supply in the real world.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 11:46 AM Audrey  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I dont think covid is increasing rhe prices of that one tube so
>>>> dramatically...
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 7, 2021, 12:45 PM Nick Andrews  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's the new covid math.  Inflated perceptions and values for
>>>>> everything!  Seriously, we are estimating construction costs at +40% right
>>>>> now, especially in VA hospitals.  It's insane.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 9:12 AM Nicholas Stock 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> 9 x NL900 tubes just sold for $609 on eBay. That is insane. They're
>>>>>> literally NL840's with a flat top. $609.
>>>>>>
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Re: [neonixie-l] What is going on?

[Nick Andrews]

Haha, that was a joke referring to overblown hype.  But construction
materials and labor are in short supply in the real world.

On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 11:46 AM Audrey  wrote:

> I dont think covid is increasing rhe prices of that one tube so
> dramatically...
>
> On Tue, Sep 7, 2021, 12:45 PM Nick Andrews  wrote:
>
>> It's the new covid math.  Inflated perceptions and values for
>> everything!  Seriously, we are estimating construction costs at +40% right
>> now, especially in VA hospitals.  It's insane.
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 9:12 AM Nicholas Stock 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 9 x NL900 tubes just sold for $609 on eBay. That is insane. They're
>>> literally NL840's with a flat top. $609.
>>>
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Re: [neonixie-l] What is going on?

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It's the new covid math.  Inflated perceptions and values for everything!
Seriously, we are estimating construction costs at +40% right now,
especially in VA hospitals.  It's insane.

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> 9 x NL900 tubes just sold for $609 on eBay. That is insane. They're
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Nixies in a new car!

[Nick Andrews]

Or Kias, I guess...

On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 10:20 AM newxito  wrote:

> Very nice... if you like nixies :-)
>
> Dekatron42 schrieb am Montag, 23. August 2021 um 15:38:51 UTC+2:
>
>>
>> Just Google Kia Telluride Nixie Radio and you’ll ser photos of it.
>>
>> /Martin
>> On Monday, 23 August 2021 at 15:17:56 UTC+2 Terry S wrote:
>>
>>> Neighbor was showing off his new KIA Telluride last weekend, it has a
>>> massive center console infotainment touch screen. Very nice vehicle.
>>>
>>> He turned on the radio and the station display was a very realistic
>>> depiction of nixie tubes!
>>>
>>> He didn't know what they were called, but he had seen them in my house
>>> on one of my several clocks.
>>>
>>> Next opportunity I will grab a picture.
>>>
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