Re: Francesca Bria: Our data is valuable. Here's how we can take that value back

[Rachel O' Dwyer]

While I think that  it's great to discuss the politics of projects such as
DECODE, I don't see the utility of using a short op-ed written for a
general Guardian-reading audience as the jumping off point for that. Why
not engage with the project's more detailed reports and technical
documentation and then offer constructive critique and feedback??

On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 2:56 PM, Örsan Şenalp  wrote:

> One wonders if, as of 2018, there remained any non co-opted hackers who
> are fighting back, or willing to do so, while acting autonomously from the
> capital and the capitalist state.
>
> I had my informed opinion about Barcelona but hearing from Simona now, I
> think some one either has to spell it out, or give some references to open
> up what sort of fraud it is, if it is.
>
> In support of for Carlo's response, or for extended version of his point,
> check out this fully automated loading port in China
> .
>
> This discussion is not 'digital fudalism' and how to fight against it.
>
> It is about the number of 'poor'oletariat (plus precariat) or the world
> reaching up to 4 to 6 billion if not more; surveillance/meta-data
> capitalism and its mechanisms rising for socialisation-control-dispose of
> these people. In this nexus it is also about how the future of IoT will
> evolve around the cooperation between globalist/atanticist ruling classes
> and China's state classes; the OBOR project, the networked hubs of
> automated docks and ports so on. This is the base of the emerging new
> shit.
>
> I though that the Barcelona vision of techno sovereignty, or fearless
> cities, were linked to a fraud mainly because of Morozov's, choosing
> Barcelona as a base, as a Soros agent as he was during the Eastern European
> transition operation (online transitions). This has been a global good
> governance vision of the 1980-1990 era, before the rentier money capital
> high jacked the commanding heights. There is no turning back to good global
> governance neoliberal bullshit.
>
> No voice coming from Barcelona, nor from other places, addressed how
> hackers (as McKenize Wark uses the term) will take on the mission of
> bridging and uniting the proletariat of the global south and precariat of
> the global north, to rise up against the oppressors of all kinds weather
> state, corporate, financial, industrial, military...
>
> The oppressed people's reverse-engineers, or hackers, are those think of
> and aim at the enemy at that global level. Like great worker engineer and
> socialist Netti does in Bogdanov's 1912 novel Engineer Menni
> , yet in another planet. The
> question is can we manage what Netti did but on Earth?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 8 April 2018 at 13:40, Jaromil  wrote:
>
>>
>> dear Joseph,
>>
>> On Sun, 08 Apr 2018, Joseph Rabie wrote:
>>
>> >Hallo all,
>> >This statement by Jaromil is very revealing:
>> >
>> >  obviously you are reading just an opinion piece for the Guardian's
>> >  large audience. I would love if we can find a way so that your
>> >  attention is spent on more appropriate information that only you
>> and a
>> >  few other people can understand about DECODE.
>>
>> yes Joe but pleeease, I'm not revealing: I'm consciously writing. I
>> love literature, I know we are in a public space and I definitely mean
>> what I write. I'm not slipping things out of my mind so that can be
>> "revealed" by people accusing me of being an elitist. So please Joe,
>> chill pill, ok?
>>
>> >"that only you and a few other people can understand"...  So - if
>> >I understand correctly - according to Jaromil, there is on the
>> >one hand, a technically savvy elite, and on the other, the
>> >ignorant rest of us.
>>
>> To acknowledge the problem, rather than negate it, is a start towards
>> the solution. Please for a moment think about your slanted attempt at
>> framing. Through the (rather enormous, yes, because we do work for
>> that money) narrative of DECODE, you will clearly find that the effort
>> behind the newly released software https://zenroom.dyne.org and other
>> ongoing developments is that of making intelligible technical
>> knowledge that only a few elites can understand and therefore manage.
>>
>> Actually, a lot of my hands-on and theoretical work on technology is
>> about this.
>>
>> So then yes. I know Carlo knows C language and technical architectures
>> very well and yes, knowing his level of knowledge: its a very limited
>> minority of people who can read that and assess it.
>>
>> With regards to some specific domains, like that of cryptographic
>> trasformations on privacy entitlements and credentials, I believe that
>> through the development of domain specific languages the gap can be
>> overcome. This is part of what I see as I perceive as my own political
>> mission in DECODE. I articulated aspects of this approach here
>> https://zenroom.dyne.org/whitepaper/#[10,%22XYZ%

Re: Francesca Bria: Our data is valuable. Here's how we can take that value back

[Örsan Şenalp]

One wonders if, as of 2018, there remained any non co-opted hackers who are
fighting back, or willing to do so, while acting autonomously from the
capital and the capitalist state.

I had my informed opinion about Barcelona but hearing from Simona now, I
think some one either has to spell it out, or give some references to open
up what sort of fraud it is, if it is.

In support of for Carlo's response, or for extended version of his point,
check out this fully automated loading port in China
.

This discussion is not 'digital fudalism' and how to fight against it.

It is about the number of 'poor'oletariat (plus precariat) or the world
reaching up to 4 to 6 billion if not more; surveillance/meta-data
capitalism and its mechanisms rising for socialisation-control-dispose of
these people. In this nexus it is also about how the future of IoT will
evolve around the cooperation between globalist/atanticist ruling classes
and China's state classes; the OBOR project, the networked hubs of
automated docks and ports so on. This is the base of the emerging new
shit.

I though that the Barcelona vision of techno sovereignty, or fearless
cities, were linked to a fraud mainly because of Morozov's, choosing
Barcelona as a base, as a Soros agent as he was during the Eastern European
transition operation (online transitions). This has been a global good
governance vision of the 1980-1990 era, before the rentier money capital
high jacked the commanding heights. There is no turning back to good global
governance neoliberal bullshit.

No voice coming from Barcelona, nor from other places, addressed how
hackers (as McKenize Wark uses the term) will take on the mission of
bridging and uniting the proletariat of the global south and precariat of
the global north, to rise up against the oppressors of all kinds weather
state, corporate, financial, industrial, military...

The oppressed people's reverse-engineers, or hackers, are those think of
and aim at the enemy at that global level. Like great worker engineer and
socialist Netti does in Bogdanov's 1912 novel Engineer Menni
, yet in another planet. The
question is can we manage what Netti did but on Earth?






On 8 April 2018 at 13:40, Jaromil  wrote:

>
> dear Joseph,
>
> On Sun, 08 Apr 2018, Joseph Rabie wrote:
>
> >Hallo all,
> >This statement by Jaromil is very revealing:
> >
> >  obviously you are reading just an opinion piece for the Guardian's
> >  large audience. I would love if we can find a way so that your
> >  attention is spent on more appropriate information that only you
> and a
> >  few other people can understand about DECODE.
>
> yes Joe but pleeease, I'm not revealing: I'm consciously writing. I
> love literature, I know we are in a public space and I definitely mean
> what I write. I'm not slipping things out of my mind so that can be
> "revealed" by people accusing me of being an elitist. So please Joe,
> chill pill, ok?
>
> >"that only you and a few other people can understand"...  So - if
> >I understand correctly - according to Jaromil, there is on the
> >one hand, a technically savvy elite, and on the other, the
> >ignorant rest of us.
>
> To acknowledge the problem, rather than negate it, is a start towards
> the solution. Please for a moment think about your slanted attempt at
> framing. Through the (rather enormous, yes, because we do work for
> that money) narrative of DECODE, you will clearly find that the effort
> behind the newly released software https://zenroom.dyne.org and other
> ongoing developments is that of making intelligible technical
> knowledge that only a few elites can understand and therefore manage.
>
> Actually, a lot of my hands-on and theoretical work on technology is
> about this.
>
> So then yes. I know Carlo knows C language and technical architectures
> very well and yes, knowing his level of knowledge: its a very limited
> minority of people who can read that and assess it.
>
> With regards to some specific domains, like that of cryptographic
> trasformations on privacy entitlements and credentials, I believe that
> through the development of domain specific languages the gap can be
> overcome. This is part of what I see as I perceive as my own political
> mission in DECODE. I articulated aspects of this approach here
> https://zenroom.dyne.org/whitepaper/#[10,%22XYZ%22,72,608.17,null]
>
> So my response to you is that, while you are accusing me of an
> elitarist crime, I'm trying to present to the list a project that is
> precisely addressing the techno-elitarian gap and does its best to
> overcome it. Nevertheless thanks for your participation and any other
> precious time you will dedicate in considering the contents of the
> DECODE project.
>
> ciao
>
> --
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>   Ph.D, CTO & co-foundersoftware to empower communities
> Book keyn

Re: Francesca Bria: Our data is valuable. Here's how we can take that value back

[Jaromil]

dear Joseph,

On Sun, 08 Apr 2018, Joseph Rabie wrote:

>Hallo all,
>This statement by Jaromil is very revealing:
> 
>  obviously you are reading just an opinion piece for the Guardian's
>  large audience. I would love if we can find a way so that your
>  attention is spent on more appropriate information that only you and a
>  few other people can understand about DECODE.

yes Joe but pleeease, I'm not revealing: I'm consciously writing. I
love literature, I know we are in a public space and I definitely mean
what I write. I'm not slipping things out of my mind so that can be
"revealed" by people accusing me of being an elitist. So please Joe,
chill pill, ok?

>"that only you and a few other people can understand"...  So - if
>I understand correctly - according to Jaromil, there is on the
>one hand, a technically savvy elite, and on the other, the
>ignorant rest of us.

To acknowledge the problem, rather than negate it, is a start towards
the solution. Please for a moment think about your slanted attempt at
framing. Through the (rather enormous, yes, because we do work for
that money) narrative of DECODE, you will clearly find that the effort
behind the newly released software https://zenroom.dyne.org and other
ongoing developments is that of making intelligible technical
knowledge that only a few elites can understand and therefore manage.

Actually, a lot of my hands-on and theoretical work on technology is
about this.

So then yes. I know Carlo knows C language and technical architectures
very well and yes, knowing his level of knowledge: its a very limited
minority of people who can read that and assess it.

With regards to some specific domains, like that of cryptographic
trasformations on privacy entitlements and credentials, I believe that
through the development of domain specific languages the gap can be
overcome. This is part of what I see as I perceive as my own political
mission in DECODE. I articulated aspects of this approach here
https://zenroom.dyne.org/whitepaper/#[10,%22XYZ%22,72,608.17,null]

So my response to you is that, while you are accusing me of an
elitarist crime, I'm trying to present to the list a project that is
precisely addressing the techno-elitarian gap and does its best to
overcome it. Nevertheless thanks for your participation and any other
precious time you will dedicate in considering the contents of the
DECODE project.

ciao

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Re: Francesca Bria: Our data is valuable. Here's how we can take that value back

[Joseph Rabie]

Hallo all,

This statement by Jaromil is very revealing:

> obviously you are reading just an opinion piece for the Guardian's
> large audience. I would love if we can find a way so that your
> attention is spent on more appropriate information that only you and a
> few other people can understand about DECODE.

"that only you and a few other people can understand"...

So - if I understand correctly - according to Jaromil, there is on the one 
hand, a technically savvy elite, and on the other, the ignorant rest of us.

By this he implies that we are expected to put our trust in benevolent experts 
(benevolent, because he says so) who, unlike the profit mongering GAFA, have 
our best socio-democratic interests at heart.

In other words, the perpetuation of technocracy as a class system.

Joe.

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Re: Francesca Bria: Our data is valuable. Here's how we can take that value back

[Morlock Elloi]

I'm sorry that you recognized yourself in my original post ( 
https://nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-1804/msg00014.html ). If 
you have any non-ad hominem arguments, I'm open to hearing them (not 
interesting in the rest - your character assassination technique is 
amateurish.) Until then, I stand by mine. The basic fallacy of your 
approach is assumption that familiarity is an argument (familiarity only 
breeds contempt :)


As for the pissing contest: mine is bigger than yours. I received amount 
of fan mail, and no hate mail (so far). Which is not relevant - one 
should not need crowd cheering to assert a valid position.


On 4/8/18, 00:44, Jaromil wrote:


Morlock,

On Sat, 07 Apr 2018, Morlock Elloi wrote:


I had no idea about the project details when I wrote the first post
in this thread, other than what was in the parent article itself. It
turns out that I guessed right.


this is the succint history of your presence on nettime.

There isn't much more to add, if not the fact that yesterday I've
received many emails off-list of people thanking me for outing the
embarassment that your presence give us here.

Once upon a time your posts were less frequent and then somehow
entertaining, now it seems you lost your day job or you hired a
gang. Whatever has happened, we should all acknowledge that there is a
line of people waiting at nettime's broken door to join this
fraudster-calling show.

Wondering what this place is becoming,I hope everyone here has a good
weekend.

ciao



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Re: Francesca Bria: Our data is valuable. Here's how we can take that value back

[Jaromil]

dear Carlo,

obviously you are reading just an opinion piece for the Guardian's
large audience. I would love if we can find a way so that your
attention is spent on more appropriate information that only you and a
few other people can understand about DECODE.


On Sat, 07 Apr 2018, carlo von lynX wrote:

> Ah cool.. it's nothing I was perceiving as urgent but it's
> always good to know somebody is taking care of that. How
> do blockchains improve air quality?

don't frame us as blockchain shillers please! Francesca wrote only
once: "The Decode project develops decentralized technologies (such as
the blockchain and attribute-based cryptography)" and actually we are
coming out clearly on the fact that a "distributed ledger" is not a
needed component everywhere.

> But GDPR only requires companies not to get caught selling or
> losing data.

I think that if activists will end up framing the GDPR this way, we
will loose touch with a big opportunity given by principled policy
makers that have worked really hard for this little accomplishment.
Which is something that finally has an impact even larger than that of
the Yes Man situationist actions. I think we should just record that
as an impressive achievement and work on the opportunities opened.

As of technology, just like you I don't think "tech solves
problems". Once upon a time there was a term used by Brecht
"Umfunktionierung" which comes at hand to better comprehend a possible
strategy (please ppl don't go to the wikipedia junkyard for an
explanation please, use Walter Benjamin). Of course you are free to
not be part of this strategy and to criticise it: your criticism
expressed on this article fits very well as a reaction of most
socialist parties I know "WTF are we talking about digital, there are
holes to be fixed in the roads!" etc..

ciao


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Re: Francesca Bria: Our data is valuable. Here's how we can take that value back

[Jaromil]

Morlock,

On Sat, 07 Apr 2018, Morlock Elloi wrote:

> I had no idea about the project details when I wrote the first post
> in this thread, other than what was in the parent article itself. It
> turns out that I guessed right.

this is the succint history of your presence on nettime.

There isn't much more to add, if not the fact that yesterday I've
received many emails off-list of people thanking me for outing the
embarassment that your presence give us here.

Once upon a time your posts were less frequent and then somehow
entertaining, now it seems you lost your day job or you hired a
gang. Whatever has happened, we should all acknowledge that there is a
line of people waiting at nettime's broken door to join this
fraudster-calling show.

Wondering what this place is becoming,I hope everyone here has a good
weekend.

ciao

-- 
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Re: Francesca Bria: Our data is valuable. Here's how we can take that value back

[Morlock Elloi]

As an activist who lives and fights in Barcelona since 28 years, I can
say without fear of legal reprisals that Francesca Bria's policy as
Commissioner in the City of Barcelona is for the most part a fraud.


This was the "Woody Allen brings out Marshall McLuhan in Annie Hall" 
moment ...



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Re: Francesca Bria: Our data is valuable. Here's how we can take that value back

[carlo von lynX]

I really like Francesca and Jaromil in person, but I once again
have some trouble following some of the logic just as I had
problems supporting d-cent at its time...

Francesca Bria wrote:
> Tech firms are emerging as new feudal lords. They control essential
> digital infrastructures – in this case, data and artificial intelligence
> – which are crucial for political and economic activity. But it doesn’t
> have to be that way.

Yeah we have big trouble and it doesn't have to be this way indeed..

> We badly need a new social pact on data that will make the most of our
> data while guaranteeing citizens’ rights to privacy and information
> self-determination. This will require reconquering critical digital

So when we interact socially, our communications indeed remain ours?
They're not shared with everybody else?

> infrastructures – long surrendered to the likes of Facebook, Alphabet
> and Microsoft – and protecting citizens’ digital sovereignty. This
> should help in developing decentralized, privacy-enhancing and
> rights-preserving alternative data infrastructures.
> 
> Given the gloomy state of politics on both sides of the Atlantic, this
> might seem mission impossible. And yet, there’s one bright spot on the
> horizon: cities.

Cities can give us the decentralized secure social networking
we are craving for?

> Cities can’t, of course, solve all our digital problems: many of them
> need urgent attention at the national and global level. But cities can
> run smart, data-intensive, algorithmic public transportation, housing,
> health and education – all based on a logic of solidarity, social
> cooperation and collective rights.

Oh, so you are solving problems I didn't perceive like we
are having! Good... but wasn't the article about something else?

Actually, the problem I have with public transporation in
Berlin is the ridiculously expensive ticket prices caused
by privatization and corruption. How is a data commons
helping me with that?

The problem I have with housing is the how the richest 1% of
the planet doesn't know where to put its money, so it buys up
all cheap housing in cities worldwide, making rents skyrocket.
How is a blockchained data commons going to help me with that?
How do I impose a logic of solidarity on the richest 1% of
the planet?

Health.. education.. with blockchains? Huh? It's a bit like
saying technical progress will solve all problems of
injustice. The more we progress, the less it is working out.

> Barcelona, for instance, is experimenting with socializing data in order
> to promote new cooperative approaches to solving common urban problems:
> tracking noise levels and improving air quality, to take just two

Ah cool.. it's nothing I was perceiving as urgent but it's
always good to know somebody is taking care of that. How
do blockchains improve air quality?

> examples. This data is collected via sensors operated by citizens with
> the city taking the lead in aggregating and acting upon such data.
> […]
>
> We must challenge the current narrative dominated by Silicon Valley’s
> leaky surveillance capitalism and dystopian models such as China’s
> social credit system. A New Deal on data, based on a rights-based,
> people-centric framework, which does not exploit personal data to pay
> for critical infrastructure, is long overdue.

But a data commons is still a way personal data is made available
rather then kept personal... it's cool that there are collective
voting systems, but what is there to vote about my birthday photos?
Why does that have to go to a commons?

> In May, Europe will pass data protection rules based on worthy
> principles such as “privacy by design” and “data portability”. Coupled
> with new regulatory instruments in the areas of taxation and antitrust,
> such bold interventions can create alternatives where citizens have
> greater power over their data and the artificial intelligence-powered
> future built with it. Cities such as Barcelona are happy to show the way.

But GDPR only requires companies not to get caught selling or
losing data. It doesn't impede NSA from gathering the data
anyhow, and it doesn't guarantee anything will happen if
I can't prove they abused my data - which I never can.
I just know they did, like today when I got phishing mail
on an address I had given *exclusively* to a little Swiss
company that calls itself NGI4EU. But can I prove it? No!
It's just digital! It can be faked by anyone anytime!

I know my two friends in question have all the right intentions,
but promising "Here's how" to solve the big problems of society
and then actually delivering an approach that works fine for
air pollution measurement... but not at all for the Faceboogle
Cambridge Analytica problem... people might just get the
impression you are not on the same planet as them.

Is the road to hell paved with optimism?


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Re: Francesca Bria: Our data is valuable. Here's how we can take that value back

[Morlock Elloi]

On the intention side, DECODE is superb.

For example, in "D4 7_Privacy Interface Guidelines.pdf":


3.3 Privacy Design Considerations
3.3.1 User-Focused
3.3.2 User Control
3.3.3 Information and Device Context
3.3.4 Consent
3.3.5 Clarity and Understandability
3.3.6 Inform
3.3.7 Educate
3.3.8 Minimise the capture and display of data


Feels good.

More technical documents, other than recycling few Ethereum components, 
also have lots of good intentions. Some are antological tech PR - in 
"D1.4-first-version-of-decode-architecture-v1.0.pdf", on p.34:


 "Smart Rules" in DECODE are compatible sociolect that can be parsed 
into a semantic model referred to a finite ontology and executed by a 
distributed computing cluster."


Unfortunately no existing CPU can execute good intention instructions.

The devil still resides in details. DECODE appears to be a customized 
Linux distribution that runs on VM, placed on multiple "nodes" that form 
some kind of cluster.


What do the end users actually get?

They *download* stuff onto their machines. Because they *trust* the 
sources of downloads, as the sources are run by nice people, not the 
other ones. On "D1.4-first-version-of-decode-architecture-v1.0.pdf", p.32:



The wallet will be available as a standalone application that a
participant can download to their device (either laptop or mobile
device).


and a bit later on the same page:


DECODE intends to provide tools and documentation to allow operators
to host wallets on behalf of their existing users.


After the fluff is discarded, this is the good old "trust us" play, 
where a small group of "provably honest people that will never get 
subverted" dishes out stuff to the trusting user rabble.


Like a said, this is FB/GOOGL in NGO disguise, and the whole thing reeks 
of fraudsters on the government tit (apparently some with identity 
politics leanings ... I am white?) It is only natural that, after 
revealing what the current carriers of the surveillance capitalism 
really are, it will be re-packaged into politically correct "communal" 
cellophane.




I try not to get personal and do the ad hominem attacks - I had no idea 
about the project details when I wrote the first post in this thread, 
other than what was in the parent article itself. It turns out that I 
guessed right. As for the tech credentials, I wrote few compilers, few 
full crypto stacks, designed and operated distributed communication 
systems with millions of endpoints, etc.







Ethernal cynico/critical approaches lead nowhere else, plus I find it
very odd and grotesque to read white old men criticising the
enthusiasm and achievement of a woman who has radically changed the
way tech procurements are perceived in Barcelona and Europe.

So you delude me morlockelloi and recently you are really flooding the
mailinglist which is becoming less funny than usual. this is probably
too technical and specialised for you, but I'll just post it here for
anyone interested

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[ICDED + proyecto Xnet]

Dear friends,

I am forced to intervene without much desire to do so, but it is important to 
counteract
the propaganda when it is such. For those of you who do not live in Barcelona 
and in good
faith you have illusions about what is going on here, what I am going to say 
will be a bad
disappointment.

As an activist who lives and fights in Barcelona since 28 years, I can say 
without fear of
legal reprisals that Francesca Bria's policy as Commissioner in the City of 
Barcelona is
for the most part a fraud.

As I do not have time to explain the details and I am more efficient with 
action, I can
only say wait and see and I can only advise you to stop dreaming about many 
promises of
the famous rebel cties (sic).

Hug,
Simona Levi

Some more infos if you need it:
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El 7/4/18 a las 10:08, Jaromil escribió:
> Dude, while you are stirring your bile soup over here, there is people
> actually walking the walk.
>
> Ethernal cynico/critical approaches lead nowhere else, plus I find it
> very odd and grotesque to read white old men criticising the
> enthusiasm and achievement of a woman who has radically changed the
> way tech procurements are perceived in Barcelona and Europe.
>
> So you delude me morlockelloi and recently you are really flooding the
> mailinglist which is becoming less funny than usual. this is probably
> too technical and specialised for you, but I'll just post it here for
> anyone interested
>
>
> - https://decodeproject.eu/publications/privacy-interface-guidelines
>
> - https://decodeproject.eu/publications
>
> I'm leading the design for the technical architecture of this project
> so if you like to debate techno-political choices in their specific
> I'm available. At Dyne.org we are just releasing two new software
> applications used in DECODE:
>
> - https://github.com/decodeproject/tor-dam
>
> - https://github.com/decodeproject/zenroom
>
>
> Patrice: less data and discarding data is a well contemplated option
> in the work we are doing. By design.
>
> ciao
>
>
>
>

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[Jaromil]

Dude, while you are stirring your bile soup over here, there is people
actually walking the walk.

Ethernal cynico/critical approaches lead nowhere else, plus I find it
very odd and grotesque to read white old men criticising the
enthusiasm and achievement of a woman who has radically changed the
way tech procurements are perceived in Barcelona and Europe.

So you delude me morlockelloi and recently you are really flooding the
mailinglist which is becoming less funny than usual. this is probably
too technical and specialised for you, but I'll just post it here for
anyone interested


- https://decodeproject.eu/publications/privacy-interface-guidelines

- https://decodeproject.eu/publications

I'm leading the design for the technical architecture of this project
so if you like to debate techno-political choices in their specific
I'm available. At Dyne.org we are just releasing two new software
applications used in DECODE:

- https://github.com/decodeproject/tor-dam

- https://github.com/decodeproject/zenroom


Patrice: less data and discarding data is a well contemplated option
in the work we are doing. By design.

ciao




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[Morlock Elloi]

The first big lie is that somehow inferring hidden patterns among the 
citizenry (other than "people tend to be more awake during daytime") 
will offer significant "savings" in "data-driven services" (whatever 
that means.) I won't even get into the "because blockchain" bulls*it. 
Just put more sensors, trackers and cameras everywhere, and decree that 
they are "based on a logic of solidarity".


This is sugar-coating surveillance capitalism, which is supposed to be 
so much better when the government ("people") runs it. This is the old 
"we need our own Google" European swindle. They didn't even bother to 
customize the slogans.


---

It would be interesting to see how would these solidarity-based 
algorithms help "public transportation, housing, health and education".


I guess Barcelona citizens, at town hall meetings, collectively write 
the code (Python?) on the big screen and agree on ifs, elses, whiles and 
returns (this is how the laws are written.) The decision criteria for 
building hospitals, roads and schools is all there, openly and 
collectively decided on, right? They will not trust some anonymous 
politicians, architects, coders, project managers and CEOs, employed by 
shady contractors, to decide on this important logic? From then on, the 
citizens can relax, because there is the Algorithm, signed by 
multi-party signature scheme.


Then each household is given a regulation-size GPU, and runs a full 
Blockchain node, to prevent crooks (politicians and NGOs) from modifying 
anything in the execution of the Algorithm. The police regularly 
inspects GPUs to see if someone upgraded to illegal speed.




This common data
infrastructure will remain open to local companies, co-ops and social
organizations that can build data-driven services and create long-term
public value.


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[Patrice Riemens]

On 2018-04-06 15:03, Felix Stalder wrote:
Our data is valuable. Here's how we can take that value back | 
Francesca

Bria | Opinion

Francesca Bria

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/05/data-valuable-citizens-silicon-valley-barcelona


Tech firms are emerging as new feudal lords. They control essential
digital infrastructures – in this case, data and artificial 
intelligence

– which are crucial for political and economic activity. But it doesn’t
have to be that way.



It is difficult and probably unwelcome to criticize such pronouncements 
and the policies which are behind it, given the sterling progressive 
credentials of all people and organsiations involved. Yet I cannot 
refrain from feeling like the French minister of the interior who in 
1938 (yes, my account at the Goodwin Bank accepts remitances ...) 
blocked the project to give all French citizens a personal identifying 
number and file, to be kept in a central Paris repository: "Je ne le 
sens pas" he said - I don't 'dig' it.


The pb is that while the 'Barcelona alternative' counters the 
proprietary appropriation of advanced data gathering, it accept the 
technologies that support it as a given. Yet it has never be proven that 
more information automatically leads to improved services and 
well-being. And well-meant technologies can always be corruptes and 
deflected to evil purposes.


To me it's like energy: not innovation but conservation/limitation 
should be the primary approach.


Cheers, p+7D!

PS Oh yeah, and it makes use the blockchain, so it's tip-top!
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Francesca Bria: Our data is valuable. Here's how we can take that value back

[Felix Stalder]

Our data is valuable. Here's how we can take that value back | Francesca
Bria | Opinion

Francesca Bria

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/05/data-valuable-citizens-silicon-valley-barcelona


Tech firms are emerging as new feudal lords. They control essential
digital infrastructures – in this case, data and artificial intelligence
– which are crucial for political and economic activity. But it doesn’t
have to be that way.

Have you ever asked yourself why the immense economic value that such
data represents accrues exclusively to technology firms – and not to
ordinary citizens or public institutions? We can return some of that
value back to citizens. Here’s how.

We badly need a new social pact on data that will make the most of our
data while guaranteeing citizens’ rights to privacy and information
self-determination. This will require reconquering critical digital
infrastructures – long surrendered to the likes of Facebook, Alphabet
and Microsoft – and protecting citizens’ digital sovereignty. This
should help in developing decentralized, privacy-enhancing and
rights-preserving alternative data infrastructures.

Given the gloomy state of politics on both sides of the Atlantic, this
might seem mission impossible. And yet, there’s one bright spot on the
horizon: cities.

Cities can’t, of course, solve all our digital problems: many of them
need urgent attention at the national and global level. But cities can
run smart, data-intensive, algorithmic public transportation, housing,
health and education – all based on a logic of solidarity, social
cooperation and collective rights.

Barcelona, for instance, is experimenting with socializing data in order
to promote new cooperative approaches to solving common urban problems:
tracking noise levels and improving air quality, to take just two
examples. This data is collected via sensors operated by citizens with
the city taking the lead in aggregating and acting upon such data.
Incubating such innovative approaches that encourage the creation of new
social rights to data is the objective of Decode, a project I lead with
13 partner organizations from across Europe, including the cities of
Barcelona and Amsterdam.

The Decode project develops decentralized technologies (such as the
blockchain and attribute-based cryptography) to give people better
control of their data generated both in their homes and in the city at
large, in part by setting rules on who can access it, for what purposes,
and on which terms.

By helping citizens regain control of their data, we aspire to generate
public value rather than private profit. Our goal is to create “data
commons” from data produced by people, sensors and devices. A data
commons is a shared resource that enables citizens to contribute, access
and use the data – for instance about air quality, mobility or health –
as a common good, without intellectual property rights restrictions.

We envision data as public infrastructure alongside roads, electricity,
water and clean air. However, we are not building a new Panopticon.
Citizens will set the anonymity level, so that they can’t be identified
without explicit consent. And they will keep control and ownership over
data once they share it for the common good. This common data
infrastructure will remain open to local companies, co-ops and social
organizations that can build data-driven services and create long-term
public value.

Involving citizens in Amsterdam and Barcelona, Decode addresses
real-world problems, for instance, it’s integrated with the
participation platform decidim.barcelona, already used by thousands of
citizens to shape the city’s policy agenda. Rather than using the
personal information of voters (furnished by the likes of Cambridge
Analytica) for manipulation, we plan to use data-intensive platforms to
boost political participation and make politicians more accountable.

We must challenge the current narrative dominated by Silicon Valley’s
leaky surveillance capitalism and dystopian models such as China’s
social credit system. A New Deal on data, based on a rights-based,
people-centric framework, which does not exploit personal data to pay
for critical infrastructure, is long overdue.

In May, Europe will pass data protection rules based on worthy
principles such as “privacy by design” and “data portability”. Coupled
with new regulatory instruments in the areas of taxation and antitrust,
such bold interventions can create alternatives where citizens have
greater power over their data and the artificial intelligence-powered
future built with it. Cities such as Barcelona are happy to show the way.


** Francesca Bria is the chief technology and digital innovation officer
for the city of Barcelona. She is the founder of the Decode Project
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