Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1994 Nighthawk 250 Starting problems

2011-11-17 Thread Pat Patterson

At 10:12 AM 11/16/2011, you wrote:

So in layman terms jumping from a car battery won't hurt.



Not if nothing else is wrong and your not holding the starter button 
down long enough to melt the starter.


The advantage of a bike batt is it's one more safety valve. It's CCA 
is too low to melt the small wires of a bike with a dead short or 
stuck starter, And the Ah's are too low to crank until the starter 
goes into a china syndrome, the batt goes dead before the starter. 
My old shop teacher told us to use the 30 and 1 rule for everything. 
30 days or first use for warranty on friends cars and 30 seconds of 
cranking one min of waiting. On small starters like bikes, lawn 
mowers, sleds etc. I prefer 20 and one. And of utmost important when 
jumping off a truck batt with 1500 CCA if all you get when you press 
the button is a click LET GO! If you have any reason to suspect a 
short or other problem hook the cables up from the bike batt to a 
running car, wait 2-5 min. Disconnect the cables. Try and start the 
bike. You should get something. If you get nothing either your batt 
is really dead and needs a longer wait time or you have a problem. Do 
Not try jumping until you're sure which. If it tries but doesn't 
crank fast enough or long enough then try and jump it.


Other things to note when jump starting anything. If the running 
vehicle is newer than 96 you *should* not leave it running while you 
try and jump start. OBDII computers are sensitive enough that you 
*can* hurt them with a voltage spike. A running car(truck) is one of 
the best *smart* chargers available. It's capable of up to 30 amps 
minimum, (my truck will push 130amps from a factory alt. My old CJ 
would push up to 250 amps with an aftermarket alt.)  With rare 
exceptions it will only push as much as the batt can safely take. The 
exceptions are based on unusual battery designs not alternators. Some 
of the spiral wound, gel and dry cell applications need special 
regulators. One thing with that. If your bike battery has an internal 
short it could kill your bikes charging system but is unlikely to 
have enough draw to hurt your car's.



A 12v wet cell battery from a Nighthawk, Accord, F150, Peterbuilt, 
CAT, or golf cart will all have no more than 12.4 volts at rest. A 
running 12v vehicle will *normally* have 13.2v-14.7v, 70's and 80's 
Fords will only allow 17v on max charge, I'm not 100% on anyone 
else's max charge rate. I do know to get that rate you have to pull 
more than 80% of the alternators capacity and spin it at apx 2500 rpm 
or more.


Pat Patterson
Abbotsford, BC, Canada


2001 PT Cruiser
83 450 Honda Nighthawk
78 F350460/C6 on propane
71 Bronco 302/C4/D20 D44/9


Some people try to turn back their odometers.  Not me, I want people 
to know why I look this way.  I've traveled a long way and some of 
the roads weren't paved.


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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1994 Nighthawk 250 Starting problems

2011-11-17 Thread Pat Patterson

At 10:48 AM 11/16/2011, you wrote:

thank you kurt, i was thinking exactly the same

and with a running engine you are giong to have an alt spinning 
producing amps (and volts) and is set up on a voltage sensing 
circut... most modern cars use a 60 amp alt, but this alt is only 
putting out that much power when its sensing that the battery its 
hooked to is dead (and still has enough voltage to excite the 
circuit). i dont have a problem with jumping a bike with a running 
engine, as long as it a 12v (nominal) source.. dont pull from a 24v 
truck or bus circuit, or a 6v golf cart battery (unless you are 
doing it in pairs)... i also go against what most books tell you and 
hook directly to the battery, not positive to positive and then 
negitive to ground..



The books tell you this for YOUR safety not the Bikes. The last 
connection is the one that could spark, IF you have a hydrogen 
buildup at the battery when you make this spark bad things could 
happen. Making the ground (should be last) connection to the frame or 
engine does 2 things. If moves this spark away from the hydrogen 
source and eliminates 2 possible bad connections. If your ground 
cable to the battery, or engine is bad then putting the jumper cable 
on the engine eliminates this problem from getting you running again. 
Most bikes do not have enough plastic installed during a jump start 
to hold any hydrogen so it's safer to buffer the jump start with the 
bike's batt.


Pat Patterson
Abbotsford, BC, Canada


2001 PT Cruiser
83 450 Honda Nighthawk
78 F350460/C6 on propane
71 Bronco 302/C4/D20 D44/9


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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] 1983 Honda Magna 750

2011-11-17 Thread Allen Thomas
83 V4 engines were notorious for having top end oiling issues, and they would 
smear their camshafts. On the interceptors they actually added an external oil 
line to mitigate the problem. Most sabmag or magsab owners (that's what they 
call themselves, google it) do some sort of oil mod. If that bike doesn't have 
one then it probably needs new cams. Ask the guy what oil mod was done and if 
he doesn't know then I'd keep looking. A nighthawk would be the more reliable 
bike anyway.
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Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] 1983 Honda Magna 750

1st off, thanks to all who wrote me on my last post. The Nighthawk
750, or the guy who's selling it never called me back. So, I'll take a
look at the V45. It has 44,585 miles on it. The valves have been
adjusted and the tensioners verified. Carbs have been completely
rebuilt with new rubber intakes. Newly painted this year with new
forward foot controls it looks like a new bike. I will of course check
why the repaint. He has all the documentation on this. What do you
guys/gals think of it? Once again I'll mention I know zip about these
bikes. Forward foot controls is what I got used to on the Sporty.
Thanks again.

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Of men and Gas

2011-11-17 Thread Pat Patterson

At 12:47 PM 11/16/2011, you wrote:

I would be interested to see the numbers once you have 8 tanks of premium.
Could you post them when you have them?

I've got the last 30,000 miles logged for my car and the biggest 
difference was driving style, not octane.


I've logged every vehicle I've ever owned since first purchase. The 
only time octane can make a difference is if you have the compression 
to make use of it. One of my pickup's has 10.5:1 compression. I pick 
up enough MPG on 94 over 87 to make up the difference in price (most 
of the time anyway).


What is the compression ratio on a NH? specifically an 83 450 ;o)


Pat Patterson
Abbotsford, BC, Canada


2001 PT Cruiser
83 450 Honda Nighthawk
78 F350460/C6 on propane
71 Bronco 302/C4/D20 D44/9


Some people try to turn back their odometers.  Not me, I want people 
to know why I look this way.  I've traveled a long way and some of 
the roads weren't paved.


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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Of men and Gas

2011-11-17 Thread Allen Thomas
I think most air cooled bikes are in the 8 - 9 range due to the higher 
probability of pre-ignition.
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At 12:47 PM 11/16/2011, you wrote:
I would be interested to see the numbers once you have 8 tanks of premium.
Could you post them when you have them?

I've got the last 30,000 miles logged for my car and the biggest 
difference was driving style, not octane.

I've logged every vehicle I've ever owned since first purchase. The 
only time octane can make a difference is if you have the compression 
to make use of it. One of my pickup's has 10.5:1 compression. I pick 
up enough MPG on 94 over 87 to make up the difference in price (most 
of the time anyway).

What is the compression ratio on a NH? specifically an 83 450 ;o)


Pat Patterson
Abbotsford, BC, Canada


2001 PT Cruiser
83 450 Honda Nighthawk
78 F350460/C6 on propane
71 Bronco 302/C4/D20 D44/9


Some people try to turn back their odometers.  Not me, I want people 
to know why I look this way.  I've traveled a long way and some of 
the roads weren't paved.

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1994 Nighthawk 250 Starting problems

2011-11-17 Thread Pat Patterson
FWIW I used to wire my demo derby cars with an extra switch and 
solenoids so that in the middle of a heat I could smack the hot 
motor/starter with 24v with the flick of a switch. Cranks fast cranks 
hard... doesn't crank long lol.
The problem with a bike is all the extra stuff that gets turned on 
with the key. Thinking of my 450, the starter lug is exposed. You 
*Could* ground to frame and then touch the hot cable to the starter 
lug directly. It would make some cool sparks but it should start and 
get your but home.


At 08:45 PM 11/16/2011, you wrote:

James:

For some strange reason, I now have this mental image of some guy 
trying to sneak a jump off an idling city bus...


:D

-Kurt


On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:42 PM, James O'Gorman 
mailto:aspor...@gmail.comaspor...@gmail.com wrote:

I'm totally doing this next time I'm dead with only a 24v power source... :)


Pat Patterson
Abbotsford, BC, Canada


2001 PT Cruiser
83 450 Honda Nighthawk
78 F350460/C6 on propane
71 Bronco 302/C4/D20 D44/9


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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] 1983 Honda Magna 750

2011-11-17 Thread Graham Rogers
Yep,  I would still be real hesitant on the V45 .  There's one (a  
Sabre) down here in PA that's done 30 something thousand miles I  
looked at a few weeks ago.  It ran, needed a couple of things like a  
turn signal flasher which he took and put on the Nighthawk I bought  
from him.  He wanted $200 for the V45 and $300 for the Nighthawk ('84  
650).  I bought the Nighthawk which needs more work but I'm  more  
familiar with the inline fours,  Graham


On Nov 17, 2011, at 5:00 AM, Allen Thomas wrote:

83 V4 engines were notorious for having top end oiling issues, and  
they would smear their camshafts. On the interceptors they actually  
added an external oil line to mitigate the problem. Most sabmag or  
magsab owners (that's what they call themselves, google it) do some  
sort of oil mod. If that bike doesn't have one then it probably  
needs new cams. Ask the guy what oil mod was done and if he doesn't  
know then I'd keep looking. A nighthawk would be the more reliable  
bike anyway.

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1st off, thanks to all who wrote me on my last post. The Nighthawk
750, or the guy who's selling it never called me back. So, I'll take a
look at the V45. It has 44,585 miles on it. The valves have been
adjusted and the tensioners verified. Carbs have been completely
rebuilt with new rubber intakes. Newly painted this year with new
forward foot controls it looks like a new bike. I will of course check
why the repaint. He has all the documentation on this. What do you
guys/gals think of it? Once again I'll mention I know zip about these
bikes. Forward foot controls is what I got used to on the Sporty.
Thanks again.

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: handguards for 1997 cb750

2011-11-17 Thread Graham Rogers
Melissa,  I have the hand guards on my '02 Nighthawk 750 - the  
polisport.  I put them on because I already have a windshield on that  
I like.  If I didn't however I would go with the windshield that has  
the coverage like Sean says.  The hand guards aren't easy to  
install.  I had to do some drilling and it's not easy to adjust them  
to get the coverage.  If you get hand guards get the ones that attach  
in just one place on your handle bars, not the ones that clamp on at  
one end and attach in the bar ends.  The clamp on ones are all you  
need,  Graham


On Nov 16, 2011, at 9:56 PM, Hawaii Sean wrote:


Melissa,

Check out the post titles: Our First Ride.  Graham I think put
polisport hand protectors on his bike.  That post includes pictures so
you'll know what they actually do.  You might also think about getting
a faring that has had coverage.  I know SlipStreamer makes one that
others in the group have eBay Item number: 190597098164 has a good
picture for you.  SlipStreamers are really easy to install and swap
out so you can have one for the summer and one for the winter.  It
looks like the handguards are $30 to $40 on eBay.

Good luck.

Sean

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i'm thinking about getting handguards to use on my bike in the
winter.  anybody have brand/model recommendations?

thanks,
mel


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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] 1983 Honda Magna 750

2011-11-17 Thread Ian Edward Baker
Thank you very much, that is very helpful. I will look into this carefully.

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 5:00 AM, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com wrote:

 83 V4 engines were notorious for having top end oiling issues, and they
 would smear their camshafts. On the interceptors they actually added an
 external oil line to mitigate the problem. Most sabmag or magsab owners
 (that's what they call themselves, google it) do some sort of oil mod. If
 that bike doesn't have one then it probably needs new cams. Ask the guy
 what oil mod was done and if he doesn't know then I'd keep looking. A
 nighthawk would be the more reliable bike anyway.
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 Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] 1983 Honda Magna 750

 1st off, thanks to all who wrote me on my last post. The Nighthawk
 750, or the guy who's selling it never called me back. So, I'll take a
 look at the V45. It has 44,585 miles on it. The valves have been
 adjusted and the tensioners verified. Carbs have been completely
 rebuilt with new rubber intakes. Newly painted this year with new
 forward foot controls it looks like a new bike. I will of course check
 why the repaint. He has all the documentation on this. What do you
 guys/gals think of it? Once again I'll mention I know zip about these
 bikes. Forward foot controls is what I got used to on the Sporty.
 Thanks again.

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[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1983 Honda Magna 750

2011-11-17 Thread marcel cerdan
Agree on all points mentioned before... the reliability, the
weaknesses... but the V45 has such a nice kick to it !

Ok, the kick will send you straight into a tree, but man you'll go
there with a smile (until you realize it's too late !)

:-)

Also make sure to check front brakes : the original lines tend to
become soft, and breaking hard can become tricky (it is a heavy
machine !)




On Nov 17, 7:19 am, Ian Edward Baker harleyincan...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thank you very much, that is very helpful. I will look into this carefully.



 On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 5:00 AM, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com wrote:
  83 V4 engines were notorious for having top end oiling issues, and they
  would smear their camshafts. On the interceptors they actually added an
  external oil line to mitigate the problem. Most sabmag or magsab owners
  (that's what they call themselves, google it) do some sort of oil mod. If
  that bike doesn't have one then it probably needs new cams. Ask the guy
  what oil mod was done and if he doesn't know then I'd keep looking. A
  nighthawk would be the more reliable bike anyway.
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  Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] 1983 Honda Magna 750

  1st off, thanks to all who wrote me on my last post. The Nighthawk
  750, or the guy who's selling it never called me back. So, I'll take a
  look at the V45. It has 44,585 miles on it. The valves have been
  adjusted and the tensioners verified. Carbs have been completely
  rebuilt with new rubber intakes. Newly painted this year with new
  forward foot controls it looks like a new bike. I will of course check
  why the repaint. He has all the documentation on this. What do you
  guys/gals think of it? Once again I'll mention I know zip about these
  bikes. Forward foot controls is what I got used to on the Sporty.
  Thanks again.

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1983 Honda Magna 750

2011-11-17 Thread Kyle Munz
The V45 has a nicer exhaust note too in my opinion. I've considered getting
a Sabre, but I prefer my NH for all other reasons.

-Kyle


On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 7:13 AM, marcel cerdan voixdepa...@gmail.comwrote:

 Agree on all points mentioned before... the reliability, the
 weaknesses... but the V45 has such a nice kick to it !

 Ok, the kick will send you straight into a tree, but man you'll go
 there with a smile (until you realize it's too late !)

 :-)

 Also make sure to check front brakes : the original lines tend to
 become soft, and breaking hard can become tricky (it is a heavy
 machine !)




 On Nov 17, 7:19 am, Ian Edward Baker harleyincan...@gmail.com wrote:
  Thank you very much, that is very helpful. I will look into this
 carefully.
 
 
 
  On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 5:00 AM, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com
 wrote:
   83 V4 engines were notorious for having top end oiling issues, and they
   would smear their camshafts. On the interceptors they actually added an
   external oil line to mitigate the problem. Most sabmag or magsab owners
   (that's what they call themselves, google it) do some sort of oil mod.
 If
   that bike doesn't have one then it probably needs new cams. Ask the guy
   what oil mod was done and if he doesn't know then I'd keep looking. A
   nighthawk would be the more reliable bike anyway.
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   Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] 1983 Honda Magna 750
 
   1st off, thanks to all who wrote me on my last post. The Nighthawk
   750, or the guy who's selling it never called me back. So, I'll take a
   look at the V45. It has 44,585 miles on it. The valves have been
   adjusted and the tensioners verified. Carbs have been completely
   rebuilt with new rubber intakes. Newly painted this year with new
   forward foot controls it looks like a new bike. I will of course check
   why the repaint. He has all the documentation on this. What do you
   guys/gals think of it? Once again I'll mention I know zip about these
   bikes. Forward foot controls is what I got used to on the Sporty.
   Thanks again.
 
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[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Of men and Gas

2011-11-17 Thread marcel cerdan
I'll post the results... for now I'm pin down by rain in NJ.

I do 140 miles commute everyday so It comes down to basically one tank
a day... I don't mind reasonable cold (30) but I avoid rain (mostly
because of NJ drivers who think rain is something like ice and snow or
just the sky falling on their heads !)

Next week is supposed to be nice and cold... :-)

Will keep you posted.


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 I would be interested to see the numbers once you have 8 tanks of premium.
 Could you post them when you have them?

 I've got the last 30,000 miles logged for my car and the biggest difference
 was driving style, not octane.

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Of men and Gas

2011-11-17 Thread Graham Rogers

where are you in NJ?   Graham

On Nov 17, 2011, at 8:21 AM, marcel cerdan wrote:


I'll post the results... for now I'm pin down by rain in NJ.

I do 140 miles commute everyday so It comes down to basically one tank
a day... I don't mind reasonable cold (30) but I avoid rain (mostly
because of NJ drivers who think rain is something like ice and snow or
just the sky falling on their heads !)

Next week is supposed to be nice and cold... :-)

Will keep you posted.


On Nov 16, 3:47 pm, James O'Gorman aspor...@gmail.com wrote:
I would be interested to see the numbers once you have 8 tanks of  
premium.

Could you post them when you have them?

I've got the last 30,000 miles logged for my car and the biggest  
difference

was driving style, not octane.


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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1983 Honda Magna 750

2011-11-17 Thread Allen Thomas
You ought to hear my VFR, best sounding machine ever. Like a cross between an 
indy car and a 440 magnum with a cam.
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Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1983 Honda Magna 750

The V45 has a nicer exhaust note too in my opinion. I've considered getting
a Sabre, but I prefer my NH for all other reasons.

-Kyle


On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 7:13 AM, marcel cerdan voixdepa...@gmail.comwrote:

 Agree on all points mentioned before... the reliability, the
 weaknesses... but the V45 has such a nice kick to it !

 Ok, the kick will send you straight into a tree, but man you'll go
 there with a smile (until you realize it's too late !)

 :-)

 Also make sure to check front brakes : the original lines tend to
 become soft, and breaking hard can become tricky (it is a heavy
 machine !)




 On Nov 17, 7:19 am, Ian Edward Baker harleyincan...@gmail.com wrote:
  Thank you very much, that is very helpful. I will look into this
 carefully.
 
 
 
  On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 5:00 AM, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com
 wrote:
   83 V4 engines were notorious for having top end oiling issues, and they
   would smear their camshafts. On the interceptors they actually added an
   external oil line to mitigate the problem. Most sabmag or magsab owners
   (that's what they call themselves, google it) do some sort of oil mod.
 If
   that bike doesn't have one then it probably needs new cams. Ask the guy
   what oil mod was done and if he doesn't know then I'd keep looking. A
   nighthawk would be the more reliable bike anyway.
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   Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] 1983 Honda Magna 750
 
   1st off, thanks to all who wrote me on my last post. The Nighthawk
   750, or the guy who's selling it never called me back. So, I'll take a
   look at the V45. It has 44,585 miles on it. The valves have been
   adjusted and the tensioners verified. Carbs have been completely
   rebuilt with new rubber intakes. Newly painted this year with new
   forward foot controls it looks like a new bike. I will of course check
   why the repaint. He has all the documentation on this. What do you
   guys/gals think of it? Once again I'll mention I know zip about these
   bikes. Forward foot controls is what I got used to on the Sporty.
   Thanks again.
 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1983 Honda Magna 750

2011-11-17 Thread Ian Edward Baker
Yes I hear they are fast. I don't understand why 40,000 miles on a bike
seems like a lot. Everyone told me not to buy a Sporty but I did. After 8
years and about 70,000 miles it had never a problem. Mind you I did my own
work and took good care of it. My bud has over 100,000 miles on his '99
Dyna. I would prefer a Nighthawk but will check out the Magna even tho it's
a bit of a drive. Thanks, you guys are very helpful. It would go straight
in the shed, winter is brutal in Quebec

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 8:13 AM, marcel cerdan voixdepa...@gmail.comwrote:

 Agree on all points mentioned before... the reliability, the
 weaknesses... but the V45 has such a nice kick to it !

 Ok, the kick will send you straight into a tree, but man you'll go
 there with a smile (until you realize it's too late !)

 :-)

 Also make sure to check front brakes : the original lines tend to
 become soft, and breaking hard can become tricky (it is a heavy
 machine !)




 On Nov 17, 7:19 am, Ian Edward Baker harleyincan...@gmail.com wrote:
  Thank you very much, that is very helpful. I will look into this
 carefully.
 
 
 
  On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 5:00 AM, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com
 wrote:
   83 V4 engines were notorious for having top end oiling issues, and they
   would smear their camshafts. On the interceptors they actually added an
   external oil line to mitigate the problem. Most sabmag or magsab owners
   (that's what they call themselves, google it) do some sort of oil mod.
 If
   that bike doesn't have one then it probably needs new cams. Ask the guy
   what oil mod was done and if he doesn't know then I'd keep looking. A
   nighthawk would be the more reliable bike anyway.
   Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 
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   Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] 1983 Honda Magna 750
 
   1st off, thanks to all who wrote me on my last post. The Nighthawk
   750, or the guy who's selling it never called me back. So, I'll take a
   look at the V45. It has 44,585 miles on it. The valves have been
   adjusted and the tensioners verified. Carbs have been completely
   rebuilt with new rubber intakes. Newly painted this year with new
   forward foot controls it looks like a new bike. I will of course check
   why the repaint. He has all the documentation on this. What do you
   guys/gals think of it? Once again I'll mention I know zip about these
   bikes. Forward foot controls is what I got used to on the Sporty.
   Thanks again.
 
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[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: handguards for 1997 cb750

2011-11-17 Thread zgotts
Careful with the type that clips to the bars. I got a set of Acerbis a
few weeks ago that are designed for MX. As it turns out, MX bikes dont
have as much crap on the bars that street bikes do. As a result, I
cant get them to fit quite right - they kind of point downward since
they hit some of the cables that are in the way. So... if you go with
this style, try to find something that has a very deep 'dip' on the
portion that connects from the bar to the handguard.

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[Nighthawk Lovers] control demo.

2011-11-17 Thread Pat Patterson

http://www.wimp.com/closetailgate/http://www.wimp.com/closetailgate/

Pat Patterson
Abbotsford, BC, Canada


2001 PT Cruiser
83 450 Honda Nighthawk
78 F350460/C6 on propane
71 Bronco 302/C4/D20 D44/9


Some people try to turn back their odometers.  Not me, I want people 
to know why I look this way.  I've traveled a long way and some of 
the roads weren't paved.


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[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Of men and Gas

2011-11-17 Thread marcel cerdan
Moorestown, close to Cherry hill, and I commute to ... oh joy...
Bridgewater, on 287 !

On Nov 17, 8:25 am, Graham Rogers grahamjoanrog...@gmail.com wrote:
 where are you in NJ?   Graham

 On Nov 17, 2011, at 8:21 AM, marcel cerdan wrote:



  I'll post the results... for now I'm pin down by rain in NJ.

  I do 140 miles commute everyday so It comes down to basically one tank
  a day... I don't mind reasonable cold (30) but I avoid rain (mostly
  because of NJ drivers who think rain is something like ice and snow or
  just the sky falling on their heads !)

  Next week is supposed to be nice and cold... :-)

  Will keep you posted.

  On Nov 16, 3:47 pm, James O'Gorman aspor...@gmail.com wrote:
  I would be interested to see the numbers once you have 8 tanks of
  premium.
  Could you post them when you have them?

  I've got the last 30,000 miles logged for my car and the biggest
  difference
  was driving style, not octane.

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[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1983 Honda Magna 750

2011-11-17 Thread marcel cerdan
So what : some ice and snow with a 10°F would not stop a real biker,
right ?!

Hey just bought mine, said the same thing, took 3 weeks to fix, and
I'm using it until a finger falls off !

Will be in Quebec next week but not with the Nighthawk and hope to get
a taste of snow !


On Nov 17, 9:03 am, Ian Edward Baker harleyincan...@gmail.com wrote:
 Yes I hear they are fast. I don't understand why 40,000 miles on a bike
 seems like a lot. Everyone told me not to buy a Sporty but I did. After 8
 years and about 70,000 miles it had never a problem. Mind you I did my own
 work and took good care of it. My bud has over 100,000 miles on his '99
 Dyna. I would prefer a Nighthawk but will check out the Magna even tho it's
 a bit of a drive. Thanks, you guys are very helpful. It would go straight
 in the shed, winter is brutal in Quebec

 On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 8:13 AM, marcel cerdan voixdepa...@gmail.comwrote:



  Agree on all points mentioned before... the reliability, the
  weaknesses... but the V45 has such a nice kick to it !

  Ok, the kick will send you straight into a tree, but man you'll go
  there with a smile (until you realize it's too late !)

  :-)

  Also make sure to check front brakes : the original lines tend to
  become soft, and breaking hard can become tricky (it is a heavy
  machine !)

  On Nov 17, 7:19 am, Ian Edward Baker harleyincan...@gmail.com wrote:
   Thank you very much, that is very helpful. I will look into this
  carefully.

   On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 5:00 AM, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com
  wrote:
83 V4 engines were notorious for having top end oiling issues, and they
would smear their camshafts. On the interceptors they actually added an
external oil line to mitigate the problem. Most sabmag or magsab owners
(that's what they call themselves, google it) do some sort of oil mod.
  If
that bike doesn't have one then it probably needs new cams. Ask the guy
what oil mod was done and if he doesn't know then I'd keep looking. A
nighthawk would be the more reliable bike anyway.
Sent via BlackBerry by ATT

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Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] 1983 Honda Magna 750

1st off, thanks to all who wrote me on my last post. The Nighthawk
750, or the guy who's selling it never called me back. So, I'll take a
look at the V45. It has 44,585 miles on it. The valves have been
adjusted and the tensioners verified. Carbs have been completely
rebuilt with new rubber intakes. Newly painted this year with new
forward foot controls it looks like a new bike. I will of course check
why the repaint. He has all the documentation on this. What do you
guys/gals think of it? Once again I'll mention I know zip about these
bikes. Forward foot controls is what I got used to on the Sporty.
Thanks again.

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] 1983 Honda Magna 750

2011-11-17 Thread jason scott
my v45 had the oiling issue also. i sold it because of it.

On 11/17/11, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com wrote:
 83 V4 engines were notorious for having top end oiling issues, and they
 would smear their camshafts. On the interceptors they actually added an
 external oil line to mitigate the problem. Most sabmag or magsab owners
 (that's what they call themselves, google it) do some sort of oil mod. If
 that bike doesn't have one then it probably needs new cams. Ask the guy what
 oil mod was done and if he doesn't know then I'd keep looking. A nighthawk
 would be the more reliable bike anyway.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT

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 Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] 1983 Honda Magna 750

 1st off, thanks to all who wrote me on my last post. The Nighthawk
 750, or the guy who's selling it never called me back. So, I'll take a
 look at the V45. It has 44,585 miles on it. The valves have been
 adjusted and the tensioners verified. Carbs have been completely
 rebuilt with new rubber intakes. Newly painted this year with new
 forward foot controls it looks like a new bike. I will of course check
 why the repaint. He has all the documentation on this. What do you
 guys/gals think of it? Once again I'll mention I know zip about these
 bikes. Forward foot controls is what I got used to on the Sporty.
 Thanks again.

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Of men and Gas

2011-11-17 Thread jason scott
i run 87 in the summer and 91 in the winter because of the temperature.

On 11/16/11, marcel cerdan voixdepa...@gmail.com wrote:
 So I have reviewed other posts on the board regarding Gas to use, and
 benefits.

 Being a recent Nighthawk owner (85 650), I did the first 8 fills on
 regular, like my good old CX500c, and was getting 44-46 mpg...
 Then I read that some members have experienced drastic differences
 with good quality premium... so gave it a shot (SUNOCO) and whouaou...
 there is a real difference. I'm waiting for more mileage to give
 precise numbers but the engine runs much smoother and I'm getting at
 least 10mpg more... Was about to give it a Seafoam shot but no need !

 Now the question for the pros : what are the risks to run either
 (regular or premium) all the time ? (valves, sparks) Any experience to
 share on the matter ? I couldn't find any recommendations in the
 Clymer's guide

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1983 Honda Magna 750

2011-11-17 Thread Kurt Nolte
Well, when you have an average rider only putting 3-5k miles on their bike
/per year/, 40k is 8-12 years of riding. That's a lot, to most people.

-Kurt

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:03 AM, Ian Edward Baker
harleyincan...@gmail.comwrote:

 Yes I hear they are fast. I don't understand why 40,000 miles on a bike
 seems like a lot. Everyone told me not to buy a Sporty but I did. After 8
 years and about 70,000 miles it had never a problem. Mind you I did my own
 work and took good care of it. My bud has over 100,000 miles on his '99
 Dyna. I would prefer a Nighthawk but will check out the Magna even tho it's
 a bit of a drive. Thanks, you guys are very helpful. It would go straight
 in the shed, winter is brutal in Quebec



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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1994 Nighthawk 250 Starting problems

2011-11-17 Thread James O'Gorman
That's awesome :)

On Nov 17, 2011, at 02:16 AM, Pat Patterson wrote:

 FWIW I used to wire my demo derby cars with an extra switch and solenoids so 
 that in the middle of a heat I could smack the hot motor/starter with 24v 
 with the flick of a switch. Cranks fast cranks hard... doesn't crank long 
 lol. 
 The problem with a bike is all the extra stuff that gets turned on with the 
 key. Thinking of my 450, the starter lug is exposed. You *Could* ground to 
 frame and then touch the hot cable to the starter lug directly. It would make 
 some cool sparks but it should start and get your but home. 
 
 At 08:45 PM 11/16/2011, you wrote:
 James:
 
 For some strange reason, I now have this mental image of some guy trying to 
 sneak a jump off an idling city bus... 
 
 :D
 
 -Kurt
 
 
 On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:42 PM, James O'Gorman aspor...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm totally doing this next time I'm dead with only a 24v power source... :)

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1983 Honda Magna 750

2011-11-17 Thread Ian Edward Baker
Well I bought the Magna 750. I'll pick it up tomorrow, supposed to be sunny
but a bit on the nippy side. It's a 60 mile ride but should be fun. Dress
warm and stop for coffee, what could be better. Snow where I live, up the
mountain.

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 1:25 PM, marcel cerdan voixdepa...@gmail.comwrote:

 So what : some ice and snow with a 10°F would not stop a real biker,
 right ?!

 Hey just bought mine, said the same thing, took 3 weeks to fix, and
 I'm using it until a finger falls off !

 Will be in Quebec next week but not with the Nighthawk and hope to get
 a taste of snow !


 On Nov 17, 9:03 am, Ian Edward Baker harleyincan...@gmail.com wrote:
  Yes I hear they are fast. I don't understand why 40,000 miles on a bike
  seems like a lot. Everyone told me not to buy a Sporty but I did. After 8
  years and about 70,000 miles it had never a problem. Mind you I did my
 own
  work and took good care of it. My bud has over 100,000 miles on his '99
  Dyna. I would prefer a Nighthawk but will check out the Magna even tho
 it's
  a bit of a drive. Thanks, you guys are very helpful. It would go straight
  in the shed, winter is brutal in Quebec
 
  On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 8:13 AM, marcel cerdan voixdepa...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 
 
   Agree on all points mentioned before... the reliability, the
   weaknesses... but the V45 has such a nice kick to it !
 
   Ok, the kick will send you straight into a tree, but man you'll go
   there with a smile (until you realize it's too late !)
 
   :-)
 
   Also make sure to check front brakes : the original lines tend to
   become soft, and breaking hard can become tricky (it is a heavy
   machine !)
 
   On Nov 17, 7:19 am, Ian Edward Baker harleyincan...@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you very much, that is very helpful. I will look into this
   carefully.
 
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 5:00 AM, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com
 
   wrote:
 83 V4 engines were notorious for having top end oiling issues, and
 they
 would smear their camshafts. On the interceptors they actually
 added an
 external oil line to mitigate the problem. Most sabmag or magsab
 owners
 (that's what they call themselves, google it) do some sort of oil
 mod.
   If
 that bike doesn't have one then it probably needs new cams. Ask
 the guy
 what oil mod was done and if he doesn't know then I'd keep
 looking. A
 nighthawk would be the more reliable bike anyway.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 
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 From: The Bake harleyincan...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 19:26:22
 To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 
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 Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] 1983 Honda Magna 750
 
 1st off, thanks to all who wrote me on my last post. The Nighthawk
 750, or the guy who's selling it never called me back. So, I'll
 take a
 look at the V45. It has 44,585 miles on it. The valves have been
 adjusted and the tensioners verified. Carbs have been completely
 rebuilt with new rubber intakes. Newly painted this year with new
 forward foot controls it looks like a new bike. I will of course
 check
 why the repaint. He has all the documentation on this. What do you
 guys/gals think of it? Once again I'll mention I know zip about
 these
 bikes. Forward foot controls is what I got used to on the Sporty.
 Thanks again.
 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1983 Honda Magna 750

2011-11-17 Thread Allen Thomas
Congratulations, post some pics when you get it.
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From: Ian Edward Baker harleyincan...@gmail.com
Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 22:38:50 
To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
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Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1983 Honda Magna 750

Well I bought the Magna 750. I'll pick it up tomorrow, supposed to be sunny
but a bit on the nippy side. It's a 60 mile ride but should be fun. Dress
warm and stop for coffee, what could be better. Snow where I live, up the
mountain.

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 1:25 PM, marcel cerdan voixdepa...@gmail.comwrote:

 So what : some ice and snow with a 10°F would not stop a real biker,
 right ?!

 Hey just bought mine, said the same thing, took 3 weeks to fix, and
 I'm using it until a finger falls off !

 Will be in Quebec next week but not with the Nighthawk and hope to get
 a taste of snow !


 On Nov 17, 9:03 am, Ian Edward Baker harleyincan...@gmail.com wrote:
  Yes I hear they are fast. I don't understand why 40,000 miles on a bike
  seems like a lot. Everyone told me not to buy a Sporty but I did. After 8
  years and about 70,000 miles it had never a problem. Mind you I did my
 own
  work and took good care of it. My bud has over 100,000 miles on his '99
  Dyna. I would prefer a Nighthawk but will check out the Magna even tho
 it's
  a bit of a drive. Thanks, you guys are very helpful. It would go straight
  in the shed, winter is brutal in Quebec
 
  On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 8:13 AM, marcel cerdan voixdepa...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 
 
   Agree on all points mentioned before... the reliability, the
   weaknesses... but the V45 has such a nice kick to it !
 
   Ok, the kick will send you straight into a tree, but man you'll go
   there with a smile (until you realize it's too late !)
 
   :-)
 
   Also make sure to check front brakes : the original lines tend to
   become soft, and breaking hard can become tricky (it is a heavy
   machine !)
 
   On Nov 17, 7:19 am, Ian Edward Baker harleyincan...@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you very much, that is very helpful. I will look into this
   carefully.
 
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 5:00 AM, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com
 
   wrote:
 83 V4 engines were notorious for having top end oiling issues, and
 they
 would smear their camshafts. On the interceptors they actually
 added an
 external oil line to mitigate the problem. Most sabmag or magsab
 owners
 (that's what they call themselves, google it) do some sort of oil
 mod.
   If
 that bike doesn't have one then it probably needs new cams. Ask
 the guy
 what oil mod was done and if he doesn't know then I'd keep
 looking. A
 nighthawk would be the more reliable bike anyway.
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 
 -Original Message-
 From: The Bake harleyincan...@gmail.com
 Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 19:26:22
 To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 
 Reply-To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
 Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] 1983 Honda Magna 750
 
 1st off, thanks to all who wrote me on my last post. The Nighthawk
 750, or the guy who's selling it never called me back. So, I'll
 take a
 look at the V45. It has 44,585 miles on it. The valves have been
 adjusted and the tensioners verified. Carbs have been completely
 rebuilt with new rubber intakes. Newly painted this year with new
 forward foot controls it looks like a new bike. I will of course
 check
 why the repaint. He has all the documentation on this. What do you
 guys/gals think of it? Once again I'll mention I know zip about
 these
 bikes. Forward foot controls is what I got used to on the Sporty.
 Thanks again.
 
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