[NSP] Re: Where hast thou been all the night?
Hello Colin It's not just the nasty tonal quality it is the lifeless, mechanical emptiness of the noise which rankles. This music gets its life and very existence from the human touch of individual phrasing and decoration. It is this more than anything which we need to appreciate the beauty behind the dots. We now have the technology to send this vital spark of the music around the globe. Wouldn't it be a great idea for musicians to use it? As aye Anthony --- On Fri, 5/11/10, Colin cwh...@santa-fe.freeserve.co.uk wrote: From: Colin cwh...@santa-fe.freeserve.co.uk Subject: [NSP] Re: Where hast thou been all the night? To: Dartmouth NPS nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Friday, 5 November, 2010, 23:44 Sound isn't a problem for me as (somehow) I have ABCNavigator set to play using something like a reedy violin ( I think it's set for harmonica) but I'm a little stuck on the tempo for this one (not that good reading the dots) and, when played, it raced away at a speed which I had no hope of matching on anything! Certainly not on the pipes or gurdy without losing a finger or two. I'm possibly used to seeing a Q value (?) in the header of abc to set the tempo. It opened at 100 but, at 30, it sounds a rather nice tune. Any suggestions as to the tempo (another well known tune that's at the same tempo would do as I really don't know that much about abc either) :-) Thanks, Colin Hill - Original Message - From: Anthony Robb [1]anth...@robbpipes.com To: Dartmouth NPS [2]...@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 7:07 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: Where hast thou been all the night? To John Julia Matt and all This has been a wonderful interchange and highly enjoyable save in one respect. The horrible midi noise made as my computer plays the examples. I can't be the only one who would love to hear the points made on the instrument(s) the tune(s) was/were developed for. A recording via an inexpensive mic directly into the computer would be a vast improvement on the tinny piano I've been listening to. Could there be a vault where examples are stored not just for people on this list but other pipers too? I realise some immediacy would be lost but it would be a wonderful resource once the discussion was over. Cheers Anthony --- On Fri, 5/11/10, Julia Say [3]julia@nspipes.co.uk wrote: From: Julia Say [4]julia@nspipes.co.uk Subject: [NSP] Re: Where hast thou been all the night? To: NSP group [5]...@cs.dartmouth.edu, Gibbons, John [6]j.gibb...@imperial.ac.uk Date: Friday, 5 November, 2010, 16:01 On 5 Nov 2010, Gibbons, John wrote: Crawhall's tags... are harmonically as well as melodically different from Reavely, Exactly - which is why I think there's two possible sets there. the illegibilities in Crawhall seem to be mostly his fault... Was he noting this down in haste, I wonder? There are similarities in parts of the Clough MSS, where the writing is obviously that of Tom (3), but not the considered and legible stuff of the best collection... I will happily contribute to the medal fund for a sight of Reavely! Copy, I think, is what we need (OK, so it's a wish list). It's easy to look at an MS and make an index, but with an anxious owner hovering one cannot spend enough time to even abc much. Matt's strains ... definitely don't require an open-ended chanter. OK, thanks for that. Thanks to a damaged right elbow, I'm not very fluent on anything at present. some work before I get home Working out how to rake in all those tuition fees?? grin Julia To get on or off this list see list information at [1][7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. [8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=anth...@robbpipes.com 2. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=...@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=julia@nspipes.co.uk 4. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=julia@nspipes.co.uk 5. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=...@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=j.gibb...@imperial.ac.uk 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Where hast thou been all the night?
I do so agree. The midi version does, however, have the benefit that it can be slowed down for those of us with not-so-agile-anymore digits :-) It also has the benefit of being able to be turned into the dots on freeware programs. Personally, I'd like both - a nice mp3 of how it should sound in real life and the ability to make the dots to take it slow and easy to learn. Midi will never sound as it should - we can't transfer feeling to digital (thank goodness) although they had a good try with the piano many years ago (punched roll that actually varied the pressure etc on the keys - it's in the Paul Corin museum in Cornwall which I visited many times - and the difference between that and a general pianola is remarkable. I think of midi as the blank canvas on which to paint the music. Colin Hill - Original Message - From: Anthony Robb anth...@robbpipes.com To: Dartmouth NPS nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu; Colin cwh...@santa-fe.freeserve.co.uk Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 8:19 AM Subject: [NSP] Re: Where hast thou been all the night? Hello Colin It's not just the nasty tonal quality it is the lifeless, mechanical emptiness of the noise which rankles. This music gets its life and very existence from the human touch of individual phrasing and decoration. It is this more than anything which we need to appreciate the beauty behind the dots. We now have the technology to send this vital spark of the music around the globe. Wouldn't it be a great idea for musicians to use it? As aye Anthony --- On Fri, 5/11/10, Colin cwh...@santa-fe.freeserve.co.uk wrote: From: Colin cwh...@santa-fe.freeserve.co.uk Subject: [NSP] Re: Where hast thou been all the night? To: Dartmouth NPS nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Friday, 5 November, 2010, 23:44 Sound isn't a problem for me as (somehow) I have ABCNavigator set to play using something like a reedy violin ( I think it's set for harmonica) but I'm a little stuck on the tempo for this one (not that good reading the dots) and, when played, it raced away at a speed which I had no hope of matching on anything! Certainly not on the pipes or gurdy without losing a finger or two. I'm possibly used to seeing a Q value (?) in the header of abc to set the tempo. It opened at 100 but, at 30, it sounds a rather nice tune. Any suggestions as to the tempo (another well known tune that's at the same tempo would do as I really don't know that much about abc either) :-) Thanks, Colin Hill - Original Message - From: Anthony Robb [1]anth...@robbpipes.com To: Dartmouth NPS [2]...@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 7:07 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: Where hast thou been all the night? To John Julia Matt and all This has been a wonderful interchange and highly enjoyable save in one respect. The horrible midi noise made as my computer plays the examples. I can't be the only one who would love to hear the points made on the instrument(s) the tune(s) was/were developed for. A recording via an inexpensive mic directly into the computer would be a vast improvement on the tinny piano I've been listening to. Could there be a vault where examples are stored not just for people on this list but other pipers too? I realise some immediacy would be lost but it would be a wonderful resource once the discussion was over. Cheers Anthony --- On Fri, 5/11/10, Julia Say [3]julia@nspipes.co.uk wrote: From: Julia Say [4]julia@nspipes.co.uk Subject: [NSP] Re: Where hast thou been all the night? To: NSP group [5]...@cs.dartmouth.edu, Gibbons, John [6]j.gibb...@imperial.ac.uk Date: Friday, 5 November, 2010, 16:01 On 5 Nov 2010, Gibbons, John wrote: Crawhall's tags... are harmonically as well as melodically different from Reavely, Exactly - which is why I think there's two possible sets there. the illegibilities in Crawhall seem to be mostly his fault... Was he noting this down in haste, I wonder? There are similarities in parts of the Clough MSS, where the writing is obviously that of Tom (3), but not the considered and legible stuff of the best collection... I will happily contribute to the medal fund for a sight of Reavely! Copy, I think, is what we need (OK, so it's a wish list). It's easy to look at an MS and make an index, but with an anxious owner hovering one cannot spend enough time to even abc much. Matt's strains ... definitely don't require an open-ended chanter. OK, thanks for that. Thanks to a damaged right elbow, I'm not very fluent on anything at present. some work before I get home Working out how to rake in all those tuition fees?? grin Julia To get on or off this list see list information at [1][7]http
[NSP] Re: Where hast thou been all the night?
On 5 Nov 2010, Gibbons, John wrote: Crawhall's tags... are harmonically as well as melodically different from Reavely, Exactly - which is why I think there's two possible sets there. the illegibilities in Crawhall seem to be mostly his fault... Was he noting this down in haste, I wonder? There are similarities in parts of the Clough MSS, where the writing is obviously that of Tom (3), but not the considered and legible stuff of the best collection... I will happily contribute to the medal fund for a sight of Reavely! Copy, I think, is what we need (OK, so it's a wish list). It's easy to look at an MS and make an index, but with an anxious owner hovering one cannot spend enough time to even abc much. Matt's strains ... definitely don't require an open-ended chanter. OK, thanks for that. Thanks to a damaged right elbow, I'm not very fluent on anything at present. some work before I get home Working out how to rake in all those tuition fees?? grin Julia To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Where hast thou been all the night?
To John Julia Matt and all This has been a wonderful interchange and highly enjoyable save in one respect. The horrible midi noise made as my computer plays the examples. I can't be the only one who would love to hear the points made on the instrument(s) the tune(s) was/were developed for. A recording via an inexpensive mic directly into the computer would be a vast improvement on the tinny piano I've been listening to. Could there be a vault where examples are stored not just for people on this list but other pipers too? I realise some immediacy would be lost but it would be a wonderful resource once the discussion was over. Cheers Anthony --- On Fri, 5/11/10, Julia Say julia@nspipes.co.uk wrote: From: Julia Say julia@nspipes.co.uk Subject: [NSP] Re: Where hast thou been all the night? To: NSP group nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu, Gibbons, John j.gibb...@imperial.ac.uk Date: Friday, 5 November, 2010, 16:01 On 5 Nov 2010, Gibbons, John wrote: Crawhall's tags... are harmonically as well as melodically different from Reavely, Exactly - which is why I think there's two possible sets there. the illegibilities in Crawhall seem to be mostly his fault... Was he noting this down in haste, I wonder? There are similarities in parts of the Clough MSS, where the writing is obviously that of Tom (3), but not the considered and legible stuff of the best collection... I will happily contribute to the medal fund for a sight of Reavely! Copy, I think, is what we need (OK, so it's a wish list). It's easy to look at an MS and make an index, but with an anxious owner hovering one cannot spend enough time to even abc much. Matt's strains ... definitely don't require an open-ended chanter. OK, thanks for that. Thanks to a damaged right elbow, I'm not very fluent on anything at present. some work before I get home Working out how to rake in all those tuition fees?? grin Julia To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Where hast thou been all the night?
Sound isn't a problem for me as (somehow) I have ABCNavigator set to play using something like a reedy violin ( I think it's set for harmonica) but I'm a little stuck on the tempo for this one (not that good reading the dots) and, when played, it raced away at a speed which I had no hope of matching on anything! Certainly not on the pipes or gurdy without losing a finger or two. I'm possibly used to seeing a Q value (?) in the header of abc to set the tempo. It opened at 100 but, at 30, it sounds a rather nice tune. Any suggestions as to the tempo (another well known tune that's at the same tempo would do as I really don't know that much about abc either) :-) Thanks, Colin Hill - Original Message - From: Anthony Robb anth...@robbpipes.com To: Dartmouth NPS nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 7:07 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: Where hast thou been all the night? To John Julia Matt and all This has been a wonderful interchange and highly enjoyable save in one respect. The horrible midi noise made as my computer plays the examples. I can't be the only one who would love to hear the points made on the instrument(s) the tune(s) was/were developed for. A recording via an inexpensive mic directly into the computer would be a vast improvement on the tinny piano I've been listening to. Could there be a vault where examples are stored not just for people on this list but other pipers too? I realise some immediacy would be lost but it would be a wonderful resource once the discussion was over. Cheers Anthony --- On Fri, 5/11/10, Julia Say julia@nspipes.co.uk wrote: From: Julia Say julia@nspipes.co.uk Subject: [NSP] Re: Where hast thou been all the night? To: NSP group nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu, Gibbons, John j.gibb...@imperial.ac.uk Date: Friday, 5 November, 2010, 16:01 On 5 Nov 2010, Gibbons, John wrote: Crawhall's tags... are harmonically as well as melodically different from Reavely, Exactly - which is why I think there's two possible sets there. the illegibilities in Crawhall seem to be mostly his fault... Was he noting this down in haste, I wonder? There are similarities in parts of the Clough MSS, where the writing is obviously that of Tom (3), but not the considered and legible stuff of the best collection... I will happily contribute to the medal fund for a sight of Reavely! Copy, I think, is what we need (OK, so it's a wish list). It's easy to look at an MS and make an index, but with an anxious owner hovering one cannot spend enough time to even abc much. Matt's strains ... definitely don't require an open-ended chanter. OK, thanks for that. Thanks to a damaged right elbow, I'm not very fluent on anything at present. some work before I get home Working out how to rake in all those tuition fees?? grin Julia To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
