Re: [NTG-context] feature request

[Atsuhito Kohda]

Hi Alan,

> 1) when new to Context, coming from LaTeX and learning a new system;
...
> One gets over the first case rather quickly and then there is no
> going back: the philosophies are so different.

Hmm, I'll make an effort to be a LaTeX user and also ConTeXt user.

Best regards,
Atsuhito Kohda

2019年7月5日(金) 0:56 Alan Braslau :

> On Thu, 4 Jul 2019 11:16:22 -0400 (EDT)
> Aditya Mahajan  wrote:
>
> > > BTW, I constantly convert Beamer documents into ConTeXt's
> > > simpleslide documents recently and it is very convenient
> > > if I can use \pmatrix{a\cr c\cr} style because it is similar
> > > to LaTeX documents.
> >
> > You can create a private module with the definitions that you need.
> > If these are general enough, then you can also release it as a third
> > party module for others to use. I don't see the value of adding (and
> > maintaining!) a module that provides LaTeX compatibility as part of
> > the core.
>
> LaTeX compatibility is desired (by some)
> 1) when new to Context, coming from LaTeX and learning a new system;
> 2) for ConTeXt users who are *required* to sometimes use LaTeX,
>for example in submissions to journals etc. that accept LaTeX but
>cannot handle Context sources.
>
> One gets over the first case rather quickly and then there is no
> going back: the philosophies are so different.
>
> In the second case, I restrict myself to a strict use of the journal's
> own template (for example with revtex), never asking for anything more
> nor anything less.
>
> In a third situation of editors who give lip service to accepting TeX
> submissions, I give them plain text for they are going to re-key in
> everything in any case. I provide them with a pdf that they can use
> to correct their markup.
>
> Alan
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Re: [NTG-context] feature request

[Atsuhito Kohda]

Hi Aditya,

> You can create a private module with the definitions that you need. If
> these are general enough, then you can also release it as a third party
> module for others to use. I don't see the value of adding (and
> maintaining!) a module that provides LaTeX compatibility as part of the
> core.

I began to learn ConTeXt since april and begin to write real
ConTeXt documents (mostly presentations) since june.
Please don't ask me too much.

My main request is not to provide LaTeX compatibility but
to provide not only one command of matrix but full set of commands
for various kind of matrices if possible.
Personally, it is true that I think LaTeX compatibility is useful
but it is not main issue.

Best regards,
Atsuhito Kohda

2019年7月5日(金) 0:18 Aditya Mahajan :

> On Thu, 4 Jul 2019, Atsuhito Kohda wrote:
>
> > Hi Henri,
> > Thanks for your suggestions, they are very instructive.
> > However, my request is not a smart way of displaying matrices
> > but to know why \bmatrix and \vmatrix are not provided
> > in core part of ConTeXt although \pmatrix is provided already
> > in math-pln.mkiv
>
> Henri has already answered this.
>
> [ ... ]
>
> > One might say ConTeXt is flexible but I've an impression
> > that ConTeXt is in a state of confusion/disorder.
> >
> > I think it is better if a standard command is provided
> > by core ConTeXt or by a module etc.
> >
> > Or is it ConTeXt way that each user defines his/her own commands
> > in setup area and uses them in text area?
> > I'm afraid consistency and/or portability is lost in such scenario.
>
> Let me provide an alternative point of view. The commands that you are
> suggesting are encode the _visual_ meaning: pmatrix is a matrix with
> parenthesis, bmatrix is a matrix with brackets, vmatrix is a matrix with
> vertical bars, and so on. One could also use _semantic_ commands: in my
> documents, I define a command called MATRIX for typesetting matrices, and
> DET for determinant of a matrix. So, I simply type
>
> \MATRIX{1, 2; 5, 6} and \DET{1, 2; 5, 6}, etc.
>
> Now, depending on the audience, I sometimes map \MATRIX to pmatrix and
> sometimes to bmatrix. I can simply copy paste the code without worrying
> about notation.
>
> If you take this view, then the predefined matrix:parentheses,
> matrix:brackets, and matrix:bars are sufficient.
>
> > BTW, I constantly convert Beamer documents into ConTeXt's
> > simpleslide documents recently and it is very convenient
> > if I can use \pmatrix{a\cr c\cr} style because it is similar
> > to LaTeX documents.
>
> You can create a private module with the definitions that you need. If
> these are general enough, then you can also release it as a third party
> module for others to use. I don't see the value of adding (and
> maintaining!) a module that provides LaTeX compatibility as part of the
> core.
>
> Aditya
>
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Re: [NTG-context] feature request

[Atsuhito Kohda]

Hi Henri,
Thanks for your kind explanation.
Generally I understand your point and the ConTeXt philosophy.

> bmatrix, vmatrix, etc. are not defined by default, but
> as you saw from my last message it is trivial to define these,
> especially because templates (matrix:parentheses, etc.)
> for them already exist in the core.

If it is trivial to define bmatrix etc., then I think
it is not bad to provide them in ConTeXt itself but
it seems it violates the ConTeXt philosophy.
I feel it is too strict or too formalism, but this is
only my, very novice user's, naive impression.

Best regards,
Atsuhito Kohda

PS. I'm a Japanese and it takes a bit long time to write
an idea in English.  Sorry for delay.

2019年7月4日(木) 14:48 Henri Menke :

> The existing definition of \pmatrix in math-pln.mkiv is the original
> Plain TeX definition, because in the very early days ConTeXt used to be
> compatible with Plain.  This tradition has prevailed until today.  You
> will find other remnants of Plain TeX in ConTeXt, e.g. \eqalign, but it
> is better not to use them.
>
> Just like Plain TeX, ConTeXt does not provide \bmatrix and \vmatrix.
> One reason is that they didn't exist in Plain, but another important
> reason is that Hans is not a mathematician.  If I remember correctly
> ConTeXt was originally developed for typesetting of primary school
> textbooks and last I checked matrix algebra was not part of the
> curriculum.
>
> Other developers (Alan, Aditya, and others) have contributed math
> typesetting macros over time, but these follow the ConTeXt philosophy of
> providing strong defaults but trying to avoid feature creep.  Therefore
> bmatrix, vmatrix, etc. are not defined by default, but as you saw from
> my last message it is trivial to define these, especially because
> templates (matrix:parentheses, etc.) for them already exist in the core.
>
> It would sometimes be nice if you could just copy and paste LaTeX code
> into a ConTeXt document and it just works™, but after all ConTeXt is not
> LaTeX.
>
> Cheers, Henri
>
>
>
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Re: [NTG-context] feature request

[Alan Braslau]

On Thu, 4 Jul 2019 11:16:22 -0400 (EDT)
Aditya Mahajan  wrote:

> > BTW, I constantly convert Beamer documents into ConTeXt's
> > simpleslide documents recently and it is very convenient
> > if I can use \pmatrix{a\cr c\cr} style because it is similar
> > to LaTeX documents.  
> 
> You can create a private module with the definitions that you need.
> If these are general enough, then you can also release it as a third
> party module for others to use. I don't see the value of adding (and 
> maintaining!) a module that provides LaTeX compatibility as part of
> the core.

LaTeX compatibility is desired (by some)
1) when new to Context, coming from LaTeX and learning a new system;
2) for ConTeXt users who are *required* to sometimes use LaTeX,
   for example in submissions to journals etc. that accept LaTeX but
   cannot handle Context sources.

One gets over the first case rather quickly and then there is no
going back: the philosophies are so different.

In the second case, I restrict myself to a strict use of the journal's
own template (for example with revtex), never asking for anything more
nor anything less.

In a third situation of editors who give lip service to accepting TeX
submissions, I give them plain text for they are going to re-key in
everything in any case. I provide them with a pdf that they can use
to correct their markup.

Alan
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Re: [NTG-context] feature request

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Thu, 4 Jul 2019, Atsuhito Kohda wrote:


Hi Henri,
Thanks for your suggestions, they are very instructive.
However, my request is not a smart way of displaying matrices
but to know why \bmatrix and \vmatrix are not provided
in core part of ConTeXt although \pmatrix is provided already
in math-pln.mkiv


Henri has already answered this.

[ ... ]


One might say ConTeXt is flexible but I've an impression
that ConTeXt is in a state of confusion/disorder.

I think it is better if a standard command is provided
by core ConTeXt or by a module etc.

Or is it ConTeXt way that each user defines his/her own commands
in setup area and uses them in text area?
I'm afraid consistency and/or portability is lost in such scenario.


Let me provide an alternative point of view. The commands that you are 
suggesting are encode the _visual_ meaning: pmatrix is a matrix with 
parenthesis, bmatrix is a matrix with brackets, vmatrix is a matrix with 
vertical bars, and so on. One could also use _semantic_ commands: in my 
documents, I define a command called MATRIX for typesetting matrices, and 
DET for determinant of a matrix. So, I simply type


\MATRIX{1, 2; 5, 6} and \DET{1, 2; 5, 6}, etc.

Now, depending on the audience, I sometimes map \MATRIX to pmatrix and 
sometimes to bmatrix. I can simply copy paste the code without worrying 
about notation.


If you take this view, then the predefined matrix:parentheses, 
matrix:brackets, and matrix:bars are sufficient.



BTW, I constantly convert Beamer documents into ConTeXt's
simpleslide documents recently and it is very convenient
if I can use \pmatrix{a\cr c\cr} style because it is similar
to LaTeX documents.


You can create a private module with the definitions that you need. If 
these are general enough, then you can also release it as a third party 
module for others to use. I don't see the value of adding (and 
maintaining!) a module that provides LaTeX compatibility as part of the 
core.


Aditya

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Re: [NTG-context] feature request

[Henri Menke]

The existing definition of \pmatrix in math-pln.mkiv is the original
Plain TeX definition, because in the very early days ConTeXt used to be
compatible with Plain.  This tradition has prevailed until today.  You
will find other remnants of Plain TeX in ConTeXt, e.g. \eqalign, but it
is better not to use them.

Just like Plain TeX, ConTeXt does not provide \bmatrix and \vmatrix.
One reason is that they didn't exist in Plain, but another important
reason is that Hans is not a mathematician.  If I remember correctly
ConTeXt was originally developed for typesetting of primary school
textbooks and last I checked matrix algebra was not part of the
curriculum.

Other developers (Alan, Aditya, and others) have contributed math
typesetting macros over time, but these follow the ConTeXt philosophy of
providing strong defaults but trying to avoid feature creep.  Therefore
bmatrix, vmatrix, etc. are not defined by default, but as you saw from
my last message it is trivial to define these, especially because
templates (matrix:parentheses, etc.) for them already exist in the core.

It would sometimes be nice if you could just copy and paste LaTeX code
into a ConTeXt document and it just works™, but after all ConTeXt is not
LaTeX.

Cheers, Henri

On 4/07/19 5:18 PM, Atsuhito Kohda wrote:
> Hi Henri,
> Thanks for your suggestions, they are very instructive.
> However, my request is not a smart way of displaying matrices
> but to know why \bmatrix and \vmatrix are not provided
> in core part of ConTeXt although \pmatrix is provided already
> in math-pln.mkiv
> 
> About matrices, I first found commands in your first email in
> http://dl.contextgarden.net/myway/context-latex-math.pdf
> (like \startpmatrix \NC A\NC B\NR \NC C\NC D\NR\stoppmatrix)
> and then browsing ma-cb-en.pdf I noticed another command
> like \pmatrix{A\cr C\cr}.
> Now by your email, I know a command \pmatrix{A, B; C, D}
> 
> One might say ConTeXt is flexible but I've an impression
> that ConTeXt is in a state of confusion/disorder.
> 
> I think it is better if a standard command is provided
> by core ConTeXt or by a module etc.
> 
> Or is it ConTeXt way that each user defines his/her own commands
> in setup area and uses them in text area?
> I'm afraid consistency and/or portability is lost in such scenario.
> 
> BTW, I constantly convert Beamer documents into ConTeXt's
> simpleslide documents recently and it is very convenient
> if I can use \pmatrix{a\cr c\cr} style because it is similar
> to LaTeX documents.
> 
> 2019年7月3日(水) 15:42 Henri Menke :
> 
>>
>>
>> On 3/07/19 6:00 PM, Atsuhito Kohda wrote:
>>> I've used LaTeX quite a long time but recently I begin to use ConTeXt
>> too.
>>> So I'm very sorry if the following is well-known issue.
>>>
>>> I find an example of \pmatrix in p.21 of "ConTeXt Mark IV an excursion"
>>> (ma-cb-en.pdf).  And I notice it is defined in
>>> /usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/mkiv/math-pln.mkiv (in Debian).
>>> But it seems \bmatrix, \vmatrix are not defined yet.
>>> Is there any reason why they are not defined?
>>> Similar commands or environments \begin{bmatrix}...\end{bmatrix},
>>> \begin{vmatrix}...\end{vmatrix} are very often used in mathematical
>>> LaTeX documents.
>>> It is very useful if we can use \bmatrix and \vmatrix in ConTeXt
>>> documents, so please add
>>> \unexpanded\def\bmatrix#1%
>>>   {\left[\matrix{#1}\right]}
>>> \unexpanded\def\vmatrix#1%
>>>   {\left|\matrix{#1}\right|}
>>> in math-pln.mkiv or somewhere.
>>
>> Ignore my other message, this is even better:
>>
>> \definemathmatrix
>>   [pmatrix]
>>   [matrix:parentheses]
>>   [simplecommand=pmatrix]
>>
>> \definemathmatrix
>>   [bmatrix]
>>   [matrix:brackets]
>>   [simplecommand=bmatrix]
>>
>> \definemathmatrix
>>   [vmatrix]
>>   [matrix:bars]
>>   [simplecommand=vmatrix]
>>
>> \definemathmatrix
>>   [Vmatrix]
>>   [left={\left\lVert\mskip\thinmuskip},
>>right={\mskip\thinmuskip\right\rVert},
>>align=middle,
>>simplecommand=Vmatrix]
>>
>> \starttext
>>
>> \startformula
>> \startpmatrix
>> \NC A \NC B \NR
>> \NC C \NC D \NR
>> \stoppmatrix
>> \quad
>> \startbmatrix
>> \NC A \NC B \NR
>> \NC C \NC D \NR
>> \stopbmatrix
>> \quad
>> \startvmatrix
>> \NC A \NC B \NR
>> \NC C \NC D \NR
>> \stopvmatrix
>> \quad
>> \startVmatrix
>> \NC A \NC B \NR
>> \NC C \NC D \NR
>> \stopVmatrix
>> \stopformula
>>
>> \startformula
>> \pmatrix{A, B; C, D}
>> \quad
>> \bmatrix{A, B; C, D}
>> \quad
>> \vmatrix{A, B; C, D}
>> \quad
>> \Vmatrix{A, B; C, D}
>> \stopformula
>>
>> \stoptext
>>
>>>
>>> By the way, I think it is critical to set
>>> \setupmathematics[ampersand=normal]
>>> to use \matrix above but I can't find this setting in ma-cb-en.pdf
>>> It is great if this is added in  ma-cb-en.pdf
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [NTG-context] feature request

[Atsuhito Kohda]

Hi Henri,
Thanks for your suggestions, they are very instructive.
However, my request is not a smart way of displaying matrices
but to know why \bmatrix and \vmatrix are not provided
in core part of ConTeXt although \pmatrix is provided already
in math-pln.mkiv

About matrices, I first found commands in your first email in
http://dl.contextgarden.net/myway/context-latex-math.pdf
(like \startpmatrix \NC A\NC B\NR \NC C\NC D\NR\stoppmatrix)
and then browsing ma-cb-en.pdf I noticed another command
like \pmatrix{A\cr C\cr}.
Now by your email, I know a command \pmatrix{A, B; C, D}

One might say ConTeXt is flexible but I've an impression
that ConTeXt is in a state of confusion/disorder.

I think it is better if a standard command is provided
by core ConTeXt or by a module etc.

Or is it ConTeXt way that each user defines his/her own commands
in setup area and uses them in text area?
I'm afraid consistency and/or portability is lost in such scenario.

BTW, I constantly convert Beamer documents into ConTeXt's
simpleslide documents recently and it is very convenient
if I can use \pmatrix{a\cr c\cr} style because it is similar
to LaTeX documents.

2019年7月3日(水) 15:42 Henri Menke :

>
>
> On 3/07/19 6:00 PM, Atsuhito Kohda wrote:
> > I've used LaTeX quite a long time but recently I begin to use ConTeXt
> too.
> > So I'm very sorry if the following is well-known issue.
> >
> > I find an example of \pmatrix in p.21 of "ConTeXt Mark IV an excursion"
> > (ma-cb-en.pdf).  And I notice it is defined in
> > /usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/mkiv/math-pln.mkiv (in Debian).
> > But it seems \bmatrix, \vmatrix are not defined yet.
> > Is there any reason why they are not defined?
> > Similar commands or environments \begin{bmatrix}...\end{bmatrix},
> > \begin{vmatrix}...\end{vmatrix} are very often used in mathematical
> > LaTeX documents.
> > It is very useful if we can use \bmatrix and \vmatrix in ConTeXt
> > documents, so please add
> > \unexpanded\def\bmatrix#1%
> >   {\left[\matrix{#1}\right]}
> > \unexpanded\def\vmatrix#1%
> >   {\left|\matrix{#1}\right|}
> > in math-pln.mkiv or somewhere.
>
> Ignore my other message, this is even better:
>
> \definemathmatrix
>   [pmatrix]
>   [matrix:parentheses]
>   [simplecommand=pmatrix]
>
> \definemathmatrix
>   [bmatrix]
>   [matrix:brackets]
>   [simplecommand=bmatrix]
>
> \definemathmatrix
>   [vmatrix]
>   [matrix:bars]
>   [simplecommand=vmatrix]
>
> \definemathmatrix
>   [Vmatrix]
>   [left={\left\lVert\mskip\thinmuskip},
>right={\mskip\thinmuskip\right\rVert},
>align=middle,
>simplecommand=Vmatrix]
>
> \starttext
>
> \startformula
> \startpmatrix
> \NC A \NC B \NR
> \NC C \NC D \NR
> \stoppmatrix
> \quad
> \startbmatrix
> \NC A \NC B \NR
> \NC C \NC D \NR
> \stopbmatrix
> \quad
> \startvmatrix
> \NC A \NC B \NR
> \NC C \NC D \NR
> \stopvmatrix
> \quad
> \startVmatrix
> \NC A \NC B \NR
> \NC C \NC D \NR
> \stopVmatrix
> \stopformula
>
> \startformula
> \pmatrix{A, B; C, D}
> \quad
> \bmatrix{A, B; C, D}
> \quad
> \vmatrix{A, B; C, D}
> \quad
> \Vmatrix{A, B; C, D}
> \stopformula
>
> \stoptext
>
> >
> > By the way, I think it is critical to set
> > \setupmathematics[ampersand=normal]
> > to use \matrix above but I can't find this setting in ma-cb-en.pdf
> > It is great if this is added in  ma-cb-en.pdf
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [NTG-context] feature request

[Henri Menke]

On 3/07/19 6:00 PM, Atsuhito Kohda wrote:
> I've used LaTeX quite a long time but recently I begin to use ConTeXt too.
> So I'm very sorry if the following is well-known issue.
> 
> I find an example of \pmatrix in p.21 of "ConTeXt Mark IV an excursion"
> (ma-cb-en.pdf).  And I notice it is defined in
> /usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/mkiv/math-pln.mkiv (in Debian).
> But it seems \bmatrix, \vmatrix are not defined yet.
> Is there any reason why they are not defined?
> Similar commands or environments \begin{bmatrix}...\end{bmatrix},
> \begin{vmatrix}...\end{vmatrix} are very often used in mathematical
> LaTeX documents.
> It is very useful if we can use \bmatrix and \vmatrix in ConTeXt
> documents, so please add
> \unexpanded\def\bmatrix#1%
>   {\left[\matrix{#1}\right]}
> \unexpanded\def\vmatrix#1%
>   {\left|\matrix{#1}\right|}
> in math-pln.mkiv or somewhere.

Ignore my other message, this is even better:

\definemathmatrix
  [pmatrix]
  [matrix:parentheses]
  [simplecommand=pmatrix]
 
\definemathmatrix
  [bmatrix]
  [matrix:brackets]
  [simplecommand=bmatrix]

\definemathmatrix
  [vmatrix]
  [matrix:bars]
  [simplecommand=vmatrix]

\definemathmatrix
  [Vmatrix]
  [left={\left\lVert\mskip\thinmuskip},
   right={\mskip\thinmuskip\right\rVert},
   align=middle,
   simplecommand=Vmatrix]

\starttext

\startformula
\startpmatrix
\NC A \NC B \NR
\NC C \NC D \NR
\stoppmatrix
\quad 
\startbmatrix
\NC A \NC B \NR
\NC C \NC D \NR
\stopbmatrix
\quad
\startvmatrix
\NC A \NC B \NR
\NC C \NC D \NR
\stopvmatrix
\quad
\startVmatrix
\NC A \NC B \NR
\NC C \NC D \NR
\stopVmatrix
\stopformula

\startformula
\pmatrix{A, B; C, D}
\quad 
\bmatrix{A, B; C, D}
\quad 
\vmatrix{A, B; C, D}
\quad 
\Vmatrix{A, B; C, D}
\stopformula

\stoptext

> 
> By the way, I think it is critical to set
> \setupmathematics[ampersand=normal]
> to use \matrix above but I can't find this setting in ma-cb-en.pdf
> It is great if this is added in  ma-cb-en.pdf
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Re: [NTG-context] feature request

[Henri Menke]

On 3/07/19 6:00 PM, Atsuhito Kohda wrote:
> I've used LaTeX quite a long time but recently I begin to use ConTeXt too.
> So I'm very sorry if the following is well-known issue.
> 
> I find an example of \pmatrix in p.21 of "ConTeXt Mark IV an excursion"
> (ma-cb-en.pdf).  And I notice it is defined in
> /usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/mkiv/math-pln.mkiv (in Debian).
> But it seems \bmatrix, \vmatrix are not defined yet.
> Is there any reason why they are not defined?
> Similar commands or environments \begin{bmatrix}...\end{bmatrix},
> \begin{vmatrix}...\end{vmatrix} are very often used in mathematical
> LaTeX documents.
> It is very useful if we can use \bmatrix and \vmatrix in ConTeXt
> documents, so please add
> \unexpanded\def\bmatrix#1%
>   {\left[\matrix{#1}\right]}
> \unexpanded\def\vmatrix#1%
>   {\left|\matrix{#1}\right|}
> in math-pln.mkiv or somewhere.

\definemathmatrix
  [pmatrix]
  [left={\left(},right={\right)}]
 
\definemathmatrix
  [bmatrix]
  [left={\left[},right={\right]}]

\definemathmatrix
  [vmatrix]
  [left={\left\lvert},right={\right\rvert}]

\definemathmatrix
  [Vmatrix]
  [left={\left\lVert},right={\right\rVert}]

\starttext

\startformula
\startpmatrix
\NC A \NC B \NR
\NC C \NC D \NR
\stoppmatrix
\quad 
\startbmatrix
\NC A \NC B \NR
\NC C \NC D \NR
\stopbmatrix
\quad
\startvmatrix
\NC A \NC B \NR
\NC C \NC D \NR
\stopvmatrix
\quad
\startVmatrix
\NC A \NC B \NR
\NC C \NC D \NR
\stopVmatrix
\stopformula

\stoptext

> 
> By the way, I think it is critical to set
> \setupmathematics[ampersand=normal]

This should not be necessary in general.  Just use \NC and \NR.

> to use \matrix above but I can't find this setting in ma-cb-en.pdf
> It is great if this is added in  ma-cb-en.pdf
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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request: \digits command

[Peter Münster]

On Wed, Jun 25 2008, Flavien Lambert wrote:

> did not found a way to cut a number by group of three digits like the
> numprint command, e.g. 100 becomes 1 000 000. With the digits
> option 3, dots become thinmuskips. I would like to do something
> similar but automatically for groups of three digits.

Hi,

Does this feature exist now in ConTeXt?

TIA for any hints,
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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request: display Lua version

[luigi scarso]

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 11:39 AM, Procházka Lukáš Ing.  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> namely due to planned embedding Lua 5.3 into ConTeXt, would it be possible
> ConTeXt to show Lua version being used?

_VERSION is always available:

$echo 'print(_VERSION)' > /tmp/test-v.lua
$ luatex --luaonly /tmp/test-v.lua
Lua 5.3


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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request: display Lua version

[Hans Hagen]

On 2/22/2018 11:39 AM, Procházka Lukáš Ing. wrote:

Hello,

namely due to planned embedding Lua 5.3 into ConTeXt, would it be 
possible ConTeXt to show Lua version being used?


Something like:


d:\Lukas\ConTeXt\Test>context.exe --version

mtx-context | ConTeXt Process Management 1.02
mtx-context |
mtx-context | main context file: 
d:/Ctx-Beta/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkiv/context.mkiv

mtx-context | current version: 2018.02.21 18:19
mtx-context | Lua version: 5.2.1


it is already reported and i see no reason to duplicate it

mkiv lua stats  > lua properties: engine: lua 5.3, ...


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Re: [NTG-context] Feature Request: xtables extensions

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Wed, 8 Mar 2017, Alan Braslau wrote:


On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 16:29:52 +0100
Henri Menke  wrote:


Natural Tables are quite handy but their syntax is a little verbose.

\bTABLE
  \bTR
\bTD ... \eTD
  \eTR
\eTABLE

There exist nice extensions which make the format less verbose by
mapping

\startTABLE
  \NC ... \NR\NR
\stopTABLE

back to the original macros.

The new method for tables, called xtables, is faster and seems to
have less problems than Natural Tables.  However, the syntax is even
more verbose

\startxtable
  \startxrow
\startxcell ... \stopxcell
  \stopxrow
\stopxtable

Can we have similar abbreviations as for Natural Tables?


Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, but I have always found the
syntax of the older table macros to be quite unreadable, somewhat a
left-over from laTeX-like syntax.

The xtables syntax is verbose, indeed, but much more readable and much
better in line with other ConTeXt syntax.


It depends. For numerical tables, the old syntax is easier to read.

\startTABLE
  \NC Parameter \NC value 1 \NC value 2 \NC value 3 \NC \NR
  \NC 1.0   \NC 3.4 \NC 3.6 \NC 4.2 \NC \NR
  \NC 1.0   \NC 3.4 \NC 3.6 \NC 4.2 \NC \NR
  \NC 1.0   \NC 3.4 \NC 3.6 \NC 4.2 \NC \NR
\stopTABLE

For textual tables, or for generating tables programmatically using CLD, 
the start-stop syntax is more convenient.


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Re: [NTG-context] Feature Request: xtables extensions

[Alan Braslau]

On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 16:29:52 +0100
Henri Menke  wrote:

> Natural Tables are quite handy but their syntax is a little verbose.
> 
> \bTABLE
>   \bTR
> \bTD ... \eTD
>   \eTR
> \eTABLE
> 
> There exist nice extensions which make the format less verbose by
> mapping
> 
> \startTABLE
>   \NC ... \NR\NR
> \stopTABLE
> 
> back to the original macros.
> 
> The new method for tables, called xtables, is faster and seems to
> have less problems than Natural Tables.  However, the syntax is even
> more verbose
> 
> \startxtable
>   \startxrow
> \startxcell ... \stopxcell
>   \stopxrow
> \stopxtable
> 
> Can we have similar abbreviations as for Natural Tables?


Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, but I have always found the
syntax of the older table macros to be quite unreadable, somewhat a
left-over from laTeX-like syntax.

The xtables syntax is verbose, indeed, but much more readable and much
better in line with other ConTeXt syntax.

(Hans, my only complaint about xtables is that they apparently cannot be
used nested in a title={} of \startplacefigure.)

Alan
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Re: [NTG-context] Feature Request: xtables extensions

[Henri Menke]

I refined the proposal a little further to not having to overload xtables but 
only use one remaining internal macro of xtables.  I also sent this version to 
Hans to be considered going to the ConTeXt core.

\unprotect

%D xtable extensions

\definextable[XTABLE]

\unexpanded\def\startXTABLE
  {\bgroup
   \let\NC\tabl_xte_start_nc
   \let\NR\tabl_xte_start_nr
   \settrue\c_tabl_xte_first_nc
   \tabl_x_start_named{XTABLE}}

\newconditional\c_tabl_xte_first_nc

\unexpanded\def\tabl_xte_start_nr
  {\stopxcell\stopxrow
   \settrue\c_tabl_xte_first_nc}

\unexpanded\def\tabl_xte_start_nc
  {\ifconditional\c_tabl_xte_first_nc
 \setfalse\c_tabl_xte_first_nc
 \expandafter\startxrow\expandafter\startxcell
   \else
 \expandafter\stopxcell\expandafter\startxcell
   \fi}

%D The related structure commands are also available:

\let\startXTABLEhead\startxtablehead
\let\startXTABLEfoot\startxtablefoot
\let\startXTABLEnext\startxtablenext
\let\startXTABLEbody\startxtablebody
\let\stopXTABLEhead\stopxtablehead
\let\stopXTABLEfoot\stopxtablefoot
\let\stopXTABLEnext\stopxtablenext
\let\stopXTABLEbody\stopxtablebody

\protect

\starttext

\startXTABLE[align={lohi,middle}]
  \startXTABLEhead
\NC OSI-Schicht\NC[nx=6] Umsetzung \NR
  \stopXTABLEhead
  \startXTABLEbody
\NC Anwendungsschicht  \NC[nx=2,ny=3] SOME/I \NC[nx=2,ny=3] AVB/TSN 
\NC[nx=2,ny=3] DoIP \NR
\NC Darstellungsschicht\NR
\NC Sitzungsschicht\NR
\NC Transportschicht   \NC[nx=3] TCP \NC[nx=3] UDP \NR   
\NC Vermittlungsschicht\NC[nx=3] IPv4 \NC[nx=3] IPv6 \NR
\NC Sicherungsschicht  \NC[nx=6] Ethernet \NR
  \stopXTABLEbody
  \startXTABLEfoot
\NC Bitübertragungsschicht \NC[nx=2] 100BASE-TX \NC[nx=2] 100BASE-T 
\NC[nx=2] 1000BASE-T \NR
  \stopXTABLEfoot
\stopXTABLE

\stoptext


On 03/08/2017 04:49 PM, Henri Menke wrote:
> Alternatively to my first proposal but still overloading the original xtables 
> I came up with another solution which does not have the \NC\NR but only \NR 
> and does not read the cell content as an argument.
> 
> \unprotect
> 
> % Overload tabl_x_start_table
> \unexpanded\def\tabl_x_start_table[#settings]% maybe two arguments: 
> [tag][settings] | [tag] | [settings]
>   {\bgroup
>\let\NC\tabl_xte_start_nc
>\let\NR\tabl_xte_start_nr
>\settrue\c_tabl_xte_first_nc
>\tabl_x_prepare{#settings}%
>\edef\tabl_x_current_buffer{\tabl_x_default_buffer}%
>
> \buff_pickup{\tabl_x_current_buffer}{startxtable}{stopxtable}\relax\tabl_x_process\zerocount}
> 
> % xtable extensions
> \newconditional\c_tabl_xte_first_nc
> 
> \unexpanded\def\tabl_xte_start_nr
>   {\stopxcell\stopxrow
>\settrue\c_tabl_xte_first_nc}
> 
> \unexpanded\def\tabl_xte_start_nc
>   {\ifconditional\c_tabl_xte_first_nc
>  \setfalse\c_tabl_xte_first_nc
>  \expandafter\startxrow\expandafter\startxcell
>\else
>  \expandafter\stopxcell\expandafter\startxcell
>\fi}
> 
> \protect
> 
> \starttext
> 
> \startxtable[align={lohi,middle}]
>   \NC OSI-Schicht\NC[nx=6] Umsetzung \NR
>   \NC Anwendungsschicht  \NC[nx=2,ny=3] SOME/I \NC[nx=2,ny=3] AVB/TSN 
> \NC[nx=2,ny=3] DoIP \NR
>   \NC Darstellungsschicht\NR
>   \NC Sitzungsschicht\NR
>   \NC Transportschicht   \NC[nx=3] TCP \NC[nx=3] UDP \NR   
>   \NC Vermittlungsschicht\NC[nx=3] IPv4 \NC[nx=3] IPv6 \NR
>   \NC Sicherungsschicht  \NC[nx=6] Ethernet \NR
>   \NC Bitübertragungsschicht \NC[nx=2] 100BASE-TX \NC[nx=2] 100BASE-T 
> \NC[nx=2] 1000BASE-T \NR
> \stopxtable
> 
> \stoptext
> 
> On 03/08/2017 04:39 PM, Henri Menke wrote:
>> I quickly came up with something myself.  Unfortunately, it involves 
>> overloading of the original xtables.  Perhaps there is a better way but it 
>> works.  I am happy to hear your opinions!
>>
>> \unprotect
>>
>> % Overload tabl_x_start_table
>> \unexpanded\def\tabl_x_start_table[#settings]% maybe two arguments: 
>> [tag][settings] | [tag] | [settings]
>>   {\bgroup
>>\let\NC\tabl_xte_start_nc
>>\let\NR\tabl_xte_start_nr
>>\tabl_x_prepare{#settings}%
>>\edef\tabl_x_current_buffer{\tabl_x_default_buffer}%
>>
>> \buff_pickup{\tabl_x_current_buffer}{startxtable}{stopxtable}\relax\tabl_x_process\zerocount}
>>
>> % xtable extensions
>> \newconditional\c_tabl_xte_in_nc
>>
>> \unexpanded\def\tabl_xte_start_nr
>>   {\stopxrow
>>\setfalse\c_tabl_xte_in_nc}
>>
>> \unexpanded\def\tabl_xte_start_nc
>>   {\futurelet\next\tabl_xte_start_nc_indeed}
>>
>> \def\tabl_xte_start_nc_indeed
>>   {\ifx\next\tabl_xte_start_nr \else
>>  \expandafter\tabl_xte_start_nc_finish
>>\fi}
>>
>> \def\tabl_xte_start_nc_finish#1\NC
>>   {\ifconditional\c_tabl_xte_in_nc \else
>>  \settrue\c_tabl_xte_in_nc
>>  \startxrow[]%
>>\fi
>>\startxcell#1\stopxcell\NC}
>>
>> \protect
>>
>> \starttext
>>
>> \startxtable[align={lohi,middle}]
>>   \NC OSI-Schicht\NC[nx=6] Umsetzung \NC\NR
>>   \NC Anwendungsschicht  \NC[nx=2,ny=3] SOME/I 

Re: [NTG-context] Feature Request: xtables extensions

[Henri Menke]

Alternatively to my first proposal but still overloading the original xtables I 
came up with another solution which does not have the \NC\NR but only \NR and 
does not read the cell content as an argument.

\unprotect

% Overload tabl_x_start_table
\unexpanded\def\tabl_x_start_table[#settings]% maybe two arguments: 
[tag][settings] | [tag] | [settings]
  {\bgroup
   \let\NC\tabl_xte_start_nc
   \let\NR\tabl_xte_start_nr
   \settrue\c_tabl_xte_first_nc
   \tabl_x_prepare{#settings}%
   \edef\tabl_x_current_buffer{\tabl_x_default_buffer}%
   
\buff_pickup{\tabl_x_current_buffer}{startxtable}{stopxtable}\relax\tabl_x_process\zerocount}

% xtable extensions
\newconditional\c_tabl_xte_first_nc

\unexpanded\def\tabl_xte_start_nr
  {\stopxcell\stopxrow
   \settrue\c_tabl_xte_first_nc}

\unexpanded\def\tabl_xte_start_nc
  {\ifconditional\c_tabl_xte_first_nc
 \setfalse\c_tabl_xte_first_nc
 \expandafter\startxrow\expandafter\startxcell
   \else
 \expandafter\stopxcell\expandafter\startxcell
   \fi}

\protect

\starttext

\startxtable[align={lohi,middle}]
  \NC OSI-Schicht\NC[nx=6] Umsetzung \NR
  \NC Anwendungsschicht  \NC[nx=2,ny=3] SOME/I \NC[nx=2,ny=3] AVB/TSN 
\NC[nx=2,ny=3] DoIP \NR
  \NC Darstellungsschicht\NR
  \NC Sitzungsschicht\NR
  \NC Transportschicht   \NC[nx=3] TCP \NC[nx=3] UDP \NR   
  \NC Vermittlungsschicht\NC[nx=3] IPv4 \NC[nx=3] IPv6 \NR
  \NC Sicherungsschicht  \NC[nx=6] Ethernet \NR
  \NC Bitübertragungsschicht \NC[nx=2] 100BASE-TX \NC[nx=2] 100BASE-T \NC[nx=2] 
1000BASE-T \NR
\stopxtable

\stoptext

On 03/08/2017 04:39 PM, Henri Menke wrote:
> I quickly came up with something myself.  Unfortunately, it involves 
> overloading of the original xtables.  Perhaps there is a better way but it 
> works.  I am happy to hear your opinions!
> 
> \unprotect
> 
> % Overload tabl_x_start_table
> \unexpanded\def\tabl_x_start_table[#settings]% maybe two arguments: 
> [tag][settings] | [tag] | [settings]
>   {\bgroup
>\let\NC\tabl_xte_start_nc
>\let\NR\tabl_xte_start_nr
>\tabl_x_prepare{#settings}%
>\edef\tabl_x_current_buffer{\tabl_x_default_buffer}%
>
> \buff_pickup{\tabl_x_current_buffer}{startxtable}{stopxtable}\relax\tabl_x_process\zerocount}
> 
> % xtable extensions
> \newconditional\c_tabl_xte_in_nc
> 
> \unexpanded\def\tabl_xte_start_nr
>   {\stopxrow
>\setfalse\c_tabl_xte_in_nc}
> 
> \unexpanded\def\tabl_xte_start_nc
>   {\futurelet\next\tabl_xte_start_nc_indeed}
> 
> \def\tabl_xte_start_nc_indeed
>   {\ifx\next\tabl_xte_start_nr \else
>  \expandafter\tabl_xte_start_nc_finish
>\fi}
> 
> \def\tabl_xte_start_nc_finish#1\NC
>   {\ifconditional\c_tabl_xte_in_nc \else
>  \settrue\c_tabl_xte_in_nc
>  \startxrow[]%
>\fi
>\startxcell#1\stopxcell\NC}
> 
> \protect
> 
> \starttext
> 
> \startxtable[align={lohi,middle}]
>   \NC OSI-Schicht\NC[nx=6] Umsetzung \NC\NR
>   \NC Anwendungsschicht  \NC[nx=2,ny=3] SOME/I \NC[nx=2,ny=3] AVB/TSN 
> \NC[nx=2,ny=3] DoIP \NC\NR
>   \NC Darstellungsschicht\NC\NR
>   \NC Sitzungsschicht\NC\NR
>   \NC Transportschicht   \NC[nx=3] TCP \NC[nx=3] UDP \NC\NR   
>   \NC Vermittlungsschicht\NC[nx=3] IPv4 \NC[nx=3] IPv6 \NC\NR
>   \NC Sicherungsschicht  \NC[nx=6] Ethernet \NC\NR
>   \NC Bitübertragungsschicht \NC[nx=2] 100BASE-TX \NC[nx=2] 100BASE-T 
> \NC[nx=2] 1000BASE-T \NC\NR
> \stopxtable
> 
> \stoptext
> 
> On 03/08/2017 04:29 PM, Henri Menke wrote:
>> Dear devs,
>>
>> Natural Tables are quite handy but their syntax is a little verbose.
>>
>> \bTABLE
>>   \bTR
>> \bTD ... \eTD
>>   \eTR
>> \eTABLE
>>
>> There exist nice extensions which make the format less verbose by mapping
>>
>> \startTABLE
>>   \NC ... \NR\NR
>> \stopTABLE
>>
>> back to the original macros.
>>
>> The new method for tables, called xtables, is faster and seems to have less 
>> problems than Natural Tables.  However, the syntax is even more verbose
>>
>> \startxtable
>>   \startxrow
>> \startxcell ... \stopxcell
>>   \stopxrow
>> \stopxtable
>>
>> Can we have similar abbreviations as for Natural Tables?  I am thinking of 
>> something like
>>
>> \startXTABLE
>>   \NC ... \NR\NR
>> \stopXTABLE
>>
>> I tried myself rewriting tabl-nte.mkiv for xtables but it is not 
>> straightforward.
>>
>> What do you think of this proposal?
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Henri
>>
> 

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Re: [NTG-context] Feature Request: xtables extensions

[Henri Menke]

I quickly came up with something myself.  Unfortunately, it involves 
overloading of the original xtables.  Perhaps there is a better way but it 
works.  I am happy to hear your opinions!

\unprotect

% Overload tabl_x_start_table
\unexpanded\def\tabl_x_start_table[#settings]% maybe two arguments: 
[tag][settings] | [tag] | [settings]
  {\bgroup
   \let\NC\tabl_xte_start_nc
   \let\NR\tabl_xte_start_nr
   \tabl_x_prepare{#settings}%
   \edef\tabl_x_current_buffer{\tabl_x_default_buffer}%
   
\buff_pickup{\tabl_x_current_buffer}{startxtable}{stopxtable}\relax\tabl_x_process\zerocount}

% xtable extensions
\newconditional\c_tabl_xte_in_nc

\unexpanded\def\tabl_xte_start_nr
  {\stopxrow
   \setfalse\c_tabl_xte_in_nc}

\unexpanded\def\tabl_xte_start_nc
  {\futurelet\next\tabl_xte_start_nc_indeed}

\def\tabl_xte_start_nc_indeed
  {\ifx\next\tabl_xte_start_nr \else
 \expandafter\tabl_xte_start_nc_finish
   \fi}

\def\tabl_xte_start_nc_finish#1\NC
  {\ifconditional\c_tabl_xte_in_nc \else
 \settrue\c_tabl_xte_in_nc
 \startxrow[]%
   \fi
   \startxcell#1\stopxcell\NC}

\protect

\starttext

\startxtable[align={lohi,middle}]
  \NC OSI-Schicht\NC[nx=6] Umsetzung \NC\NR
  \NC Anwendungsschicht  \NC[nx=2,ny=3] SOME/I \NC[nx=2,ny=3] AVB/TSN 
\NC[nx=2,ny=3] DoIP \NC\NR
  \NC Darstellungsschicht\NC\NR
  \NC Sitzungsschicht\NC\NR
  \NC Transportschicht   \NC[nx=3] TCP \NC[nx=3] UDP \NC\NR   
  \NC Vermittlungsschicht\NC[nx=3] IPv4 \NC[nx=3] IPv6 \NC\NR
  \NC Sicherungsschicht  \NC[nx=6] Ethernet \NC\NR
  \NC Bitübertragungsschicht \NC[nx=2] 100BASE-TX \NC[nx=2] 100BASE-T \NC[nx=2] 
1000BASE-T \NC\NR
\stopxtable

\stoptext

On 03/08/2017 04:29 PM, Henri Menke wrote:
> Dear devs,
> 
> Natural Tables are quite handy but their syntax is a little verbose.
> 
> \bTABLE
>   \bTR
> \bTD ... \eTD
>   \eTR
> \eTABLE
> 
> There exist nice extensions which make the format less verbose by mapping
> 
> \startTABLE
>   \NC ... \NR\NR
> \stopTABLE
> 
> back to the original macros.
> 
> The new method for tables, called xtables, is faster and seems to have less 
> problems than Natural Tables.  However, the syntax is even more verbose
> 
> \startxtable
>   \startxrow
> \startxcell ... \stopxcell
>   \stopxrow
> \stopxtable
> 
> Can we have similar abbreviations as for Natural Tables?  I am thinking of 
> something like
> 
> \startXTABLE
>   \NC ... \NR\NR
> \stopXTABLE
> 
> I tried myself rewriting tabl-nte.mkiv for xtables but it is not 
> straightforward.
> 
> What do you think of this proposal?
> 
> Kind regards,
> Henri
> 

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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request for export: Interactive Notes

[Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد]

Hi Pablo,

On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 13:19:47 -0600, Pablo Rodriguez oi...@gmx.es wrote:


 Hmm, what do you mean exactly?



If footnotes in ePub (or XHTML) have no links, how is the user supposed
to handle them?



I must be missing something, because I think footnotes are hardly
accesible in XHTML without links.


I think we're both saying the same thing in different ways: I'm calling it  
a missing/needed feature (unless I'm missing something already there);  
you're calling it a bug. Either way, it's something emphatically needed  
for this workflow to be efficient.


Best wishes
Idris

PS. You can see the outcome of the workflow here:

http://www.walayah.org/blog/shaykh-aḥmad-ibn-zayniddin-al-aḥsaʾi-part-1-life-travels-character-and-charisma

If you examine the page source, you'll see an xhtml div container; that  
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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request for export: Interactive Notes

[Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد]

On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 13:19:47 -0600, Pablo Rodriguez oi...@gmx.es wrote:


[Aside: I wonder if there is a way in ConTeXt to setup \placefootnotes
etc. in a mode so that it gets invoked only in the export. Will explore
this for the article.]



How about the system mode: \doifmode{*export}{\placefootnotes}?



I discovered this (http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Modes#System_modes)
after the reply from Hans to my own question.


Ok, thanks Pablo; will explore this as well, especially after I start  
writing the journal article.


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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request for export: Interactive Notes

[Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد]

Hi Pablo,

On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 13:19:47 -0600, Pablo Rodriguez oi...@gmx.es wrote:


 Hmm, what do you mean exactly?



If footnotes in ePub (or XHTML) have no links, how is the user supposed
to handle them?



I must be missing something, because I think footnotes are hardly
accesible in XHTML without links.


I think we're both saying the same thing in different ways: I'm calling it
a missing/needed feature (unless I'm missing something already there);
you're calling it a bug. Either way, it's something emphatically needed
for this workflow to be efficient.

Best wishes
Idris

PS. You can see the outcome of the workflow here:

http://www.walayah.org/blog/shaykh-aḥmad-ibn-zayniddin-al-aḥsaʾi-part-1-life-travels-character-and-charisma

If you examine the page source, you'll see an xhtml div container; that
comes from context. The footnote links I added manually.
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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request for export: Interactive Notes

[Pablo Rodriguez]

On 04/25/2015 02:19 PM, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد wrote:
 [...]
   Indeed, I plan to present the results of this experiment (porting an
   entire academic article to xhtml and WP) in a future article for one  
   of the TeX journals...

 I’m really interested in reading it. Also because I’m trying to use
 ConTeXt to generate high-quality PDF documents from XHTML files
 generated by pandoc ;-).
 
 Ah, I'll be interested in seeing that workflow as well ;-)

Hi Idris,

I’m working on an article on this topic. But without bibligraphies, I
have never used myself in ConTeXt or in pandoc :-(.

   Now we can of course already export xhtml footnotes from ConTeXt but  
   there will be no interactive links. In the current project, there are 77
   footnotes; I had to add the links manually to get the output to do  
   what we wanted.

 I’m afraid that missing links for footnotes is a bug,
 
 Hmm, what do you mean exactly?

If footnotes in ePub (or XHTML) have no links, how is the user supposed
to handle them?

I must be missing something, because I think footnotes are hardly
accesible in XHTML without links.

 This is why I said that it makes much more sense to export the footnotes  
 as endnotes. At the end of, e.g., a blog post you'll have a section for  
 footnotes/endnotes. In the context source I had to make a derivative  
 version and use something like
 
 \startsubsubject[title=Endnotes]
 \placefootnotes
 \stopsubsubject
 
 [Aside: I wonder if there is a way in ConTeXt to setup \placefootnotes  
 etc. in a mode so that it gets invoked only in the export. Will explore  
 this for the article.]

How about the system mode: \doifmode{*export}{\placefootnotes}?

I discovered this (http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Modes#System_modes)
after the reply from Hans to my own question.

Best,


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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request for export: Interactive Notes

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On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 13:19:47 -0600, Pablo Rodriguez oi...@gmx.es wrote:


[Aside: I wonder if there is a way in ConTeXt to setup \placefootnotes
etc. in a mode so that it gets invoked only in the export. Will explore
this for the article.]



How about the system mode: \doifmode{*export}{\placefootnotes}?



I discovered this (http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Modes#System_modes)
after the reply from Hans to my own question.


Ok, thanks Pablo; will explore this as well, especially after I start
writing the journal article.

Best wishes
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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request for export: Interactive Notes

[Pablo Rodriguez]

On 04/25/2015 02:36 AM, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس   سماوي حامد wrote:
 Dear gang,
 
   I've spent a considerable amount of time over the past month trying to
   master the art of xhtml output. We are close to being able to use ConTeXt
   as a replacement for markdown in, e.g., WordPress.

Hi Idris,

Markdown or pandoc? Markdown is the markup format, pandoc is the tool.

Replacing pandoc with ConTeXt to generate XHTML or ePub files has a
downside.

As far as I know, ConTeXt is much slower for this task. With a sample
from pandoc (http://pandoc.org/epub.html#a-real-book), it takes between
5 and 3 seconds on my computer (depending whether pandoc is loaded in
memory or not).

With pandoc you have also more formats to write to.

   Indeed, I plan topresent the results of this experiment (porting an
   entire academic article to xhtml and WP) in a future article for one of
   the TeX journals...

I’m really interested in reading it. Also because I’m trying to use
ConTeXt to generate high-quality PDF documents from XHTML files
generated by pandoc ;-).

   Now we can of course already export xhtml footnotes from ConTeXt but there
   will be no interactive links. In the current project, there are 77
   footnotes; I had to add the links manually to get the output to do what we
   wanted.

I’m afraid that missing links for footnotes is a bug,

   [Also note that it makes much more sense to export the footnotes as
   endnotes, particularly for long blog posts.]

I think that footnotes are related to pages. You can only have proper
footnotes in a page.

Just in case it might help,


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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request for export: Interactive Notes

[Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد]

Hi Pablo,

On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 03:05:07 -0600, Pablo Rodriguez oi...@gmx.es wrote:


On 04/25/2015 02:36 AM, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس   سماوي حامد wrote:

Dear gang,

  I've spent a considerable amount of time over the past month trying to
  master the art of xhtml output. We are close to being able to use  
ConTeXt

  as a replacement for markdown in, e.g., WordPress.


Hi Idris,

Markdown or pandoc? Markdown is the markup format, pandoc is the tool.


In this case we're talking about markdown qua source. In the WordPress  
case, pandoc of course is not needed: WP can either use md directly or (as  
I prefer) an editor such as MarkdownPad~2 will export the html for you,  
which you can then paste to WP.



Replacing pandoc with ConTeXt to generate XHTML or ePub files has a
downside.

As far as I know, ConTeXt is much slower for this task.


Absolutely, by far. But see below.


With a sample
from pandoc (http://pandoc.org/epub.html#a-real-book), it takes between
5 and 3 seconds on my computer (depending whether pandoc is loaded in
memory or not).


Sure, and as you know I've done an entire small book using pandoc  
(docx-md; then md-epub; md-context-pdf)



With pandoc you have also more formats to write to.


Yes, but the goal here is much narrower: to use ConTeXt as source. Perhaps  
if pandoc supported ConTeXt input I might have gone that route, but I  
don't see that happening anytime soon...


For simple tasks the markdown/pandoc route is excellent. But as the  
typesetting needs become more advanced (e.g., bibliographies), markdown as  
source makes less and less sense. And pandoc export to epub has  
limitations, as you and I have discussed before.


Yes, the ConTeXt route is slower, and the learning curve has been  
considerably longer than I anticipated. But the resulting workflow is  
*much* more flexible for serious academic typesetting and export tasks.



  Indeed, I plan topresent the results of this experiment (porting an
  entire academic article to xhtml and WP) in a future article for one  
of

  the TeX journals...


I’m really interested in reading it. Also because I’m trying to use
ConTeXt to generate high-quality PDF documents from XHTML files
generated by pandoc ;-).


Ah, I'll be interested in seeing that workflow as well ;-)

  Now we can of course already export xhtml footnotes from ConTeXt but  
there

  will be no interactive links. In the current project, there are 77
  footnotes; I had to add the links manually to get the output to do  
what we

  wanted.


I’m afraid that missing links for footnotes is a bug,


Hmm, what do you mean exactly?


  [Also note that it makes much more sense to export the footnotes as
  endnotes, particularly for long blog posts.]


I think that footnotes are related to pages. You can only have proper
footnotes in a page.


This is why I said that it makes much more sense to export the footnotes  
as endnotes. At the end of, e.g., a blog post you'll have a section for  
footnotes/endnotes. In the context source I had to make a derivative  
version and use something like


\startsubsubject[title=Endnotes]
\placefootnotes
\stopsubsubject

[Aside: I wonder if there is a way in ConTeXt to setup \placefootnotes  
etc. in a mode so that it gets invoked only in the export. Will explore  
this for the article.]


Some crude regular expressions helped me to edit ConTeXt's *div.xhtml  
output; with scripting one should be able to do it all automatically. But  
my scripting skill set is limited-to-nonexistent so the part of the task  
that couldn't fit easily into a regex sub I had to do manually.


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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request for export: Interactive Notes

[Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد]

+ attachment

On Fri, 24 Apr 2015 18:36:12 -0600, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس   سماوي حامد  
isha...@colostate.edu wrote:



Dear gang,

  I've spent a considerable amount of time over the past month trying to
  master the art of xhtml output. We are close to being able to use  
ConTeXt

  as a replacement for markdown in, e.g., WordPress. Indeed, I plan to
  present the results of this experiment (porting an entire academic  
article

  to xhtml and WP) in a future article for one of the TeX journals...

  There is at least one crucial feature that's still needed. Perhaps it  
is
  already supported: If so, it would be much appreciated if someone  
kindly

  explained how to do it.

  In a web post (or epub), one wants to be able to interact back and  
forth

  with notes. Here is how markdown (extra) does it:

  Input
  That's some text with a footnote.[^1]

  [^1]: And that's the footnote.

That's the second paragraph of the note.

  More main text
  Output
pThat's some text with a footnote.sup id=fnref:1a href=#fn:1
  rel=footnote1/a/sup/p
  pMore main text/p

  div class=footnotes
  hr /
  ol
  li id=fn:1
  pAnd that's the footnote./p
  pThat's the second paragraph of the note.nbsp;a href=#fnref:1
  rev=footnote#8617;/a/p
  /li
  /ol
  /div
  =

  The resulting html file is attached. '#8617;' corresponds to U+21A9  
(↩).

  See also

https://michelf.ca/projects/php-markdown/extra/#footnotes

  Now we can of course already export xhtml footnotes from ConTeXt but  
there

  will be no interactive links. In the current project, there are 77
  footnotes; I had to add the links manually to get the output to do  
what we

  wanted.

  [Also note that it makes much more sense to export the footnotes as
  endnotes, particularly for long blog posts.]

  Is there already a way to get done automatically?

  In any case: This feature is a must-do in my humble opinion. Aside  
from a

  few other export bugs, this is one of the few features still needed so
  that ConTeXt can completely replace markdown for (advanced) web posts.
  Thanks is advance and

  Best wishes
  Idris




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That's some text with a footnote.1
More main text





And that's the footnote.
That's the second paragraph of the note.







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Re: [NTG-context] Feature Request: ToC page number alternative

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 26.02.2014 um 20:31 schrieb Thangalin thanga...@gmail.com:

 Hi,
 
 The predefined alternative list setups (e.g., a, b, c...) provide
 various ways to format the ToC with the page number to the right of
 the list entry title. An alternative with the page number to the left
 of the list entry title would be useful.
 
 \unprotect
 
 \define[3]\SectionToCEntry{%
  \hbox \strc_lists_get_reference_attribute\v!all{%
\par \leftaligned\bgroup
  \hbox to 2em{#3}%
\hskip 1em
\vtop{\hsize\dimexpr\textwidth-3em\relax#2}
\egroup \par%
  }
 }
 
 \protect
 
 
 \setuplist[section][
  alternative=command,
  command=\SectionToCEntry,
 ]

When you want a interactive list entry replace “alternative=command” with 
“alternative=interactive”.

\define[3]\SectionToCEntry
  {\leftaligned\bgroup
 \hbox to 2em{#3}%
 \hskip 1em
 \vtop{\hsize\dimexpr\textwidth-3em\relax#2}%
   \egroup}

\setuplist
  [section]
  [alternative=interactive,
   command=\SectionToCEntry]

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Re: [NTG-context] Feature Request: define colour in relation to existing colour

[Hans Hagen]

On 8/21/2013 2:25 AM, Thangalin wrote:

Hi,

What would it take to extend \definecolor so that:

   \definecolor[ColourA][ColourB][t=0.5, a=1]

defines a new colour (ColourB) based on an existing colour (ColourA)?

I know that \definespotcolor[ColourA][ColourB][t=0.5, a=1] works, but
it seems like \definecolor would also be a natural fit.


hm, afaik no one ever needed that (normally one defines colors once on 
top of the document and there are seldom many of them)


anyhow, as general inheritance is pretty fuzzy i.e. cloning a spot color 
and changing some rgb component or cloning a cmyk color and setting rgb 
components it will not be a feature of definecolor


I've added \defineprocesscolor that cna be used as follows:

\starttext

\defineprocesscolor[red][r=.5]

\blackrule[color=red,width=\hsize,height=1cm]

\defineprocesscolor[redish][red][a=1,t=.5]

\blackrule[color=redish,width=\hsize,height=1cm]

\stoptext

But ... as there is some checking of the preferred color space (in 
context each defined color has a preferred color space and there is also 
a current colorspace that gets applied) you need to be aware of this:


\starttext

\defineprocesscolor[red][r=.5]

\blackrule[color=red,width=\hsize,height=1cm]

\defineprocesscolor[redish][red][a=1,t=.5]

\blackrule[color=redish,width=\hsize,height=1cm]

\defineprocesscolor[yellowish][red]

\blackrule[color=yellowish,width=\hsize,height=1cm]

\defineprocesscolor[yellowish][red][a=1,t=.5,y=.5]

\blackrule[color=yellowish,width=\hsize,height=1cm]

\defineprocesscolor[cyan][c=.5]

\defineprocesscolor[yellowish][cyan][y=.5]

\blackrule[color=yellowish,width=\hsize,height=1cm]

\stoptext

Now .. as you requested it, you're also the one who's going to wikify 
it. I'll upload a beta later.


Hans

ps. Transparency operates independently of colors but I never figured 
out a decent way to let that cooperate with existing colors that have 
transparency specs without breaking compatibility so it might never 
happen (in fact we have: current color space, current color, current 
transparency).


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Re: [NTG-context] Feature Request: showframe debugging

[Hans Hagen]

On 8/21/2013 6:49 AM, Thangalin wrote:

Hi,

\showframe
[
   labels=on,
   measurements=on,
   color=red,
]

Would produce an image similar to the attached, but with the black
lines drawn in the specified colour.

Using labels=on would show the names of the items that can be changed
with \setuplayout.
Using measurements=on would show the values for each of the items.

I don't know if there is any value separating the measurements from the labels.


You can use:

\starttext

\showlayout

% \showlayout[cc,cm,mm,bp]

\stoptext

the problem with visualizing is that values can be zero so visualizing 
becomes messy


Hans


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Re: [NTG-context] Feature Request: define colour in relation to existing colour

[Marco Patzer]

On 2013–08–21 Hans Hagen wrote:

 On 8/21/2013 2:25 AM, Thangalin wrote:
 Hi,
 
 What would it take to extend \definecolor so that:
 
\definecolor[ColourA][ColourB][t=0.5, a=1]
 
 defines a new colour (ColourB) based on an existing colour (ColourA)?
 
 I know that \definespotcolor[ColourA][ColourB][t=0.5, a=1] works, but
 it seems like \definecolor would also be a natural fit.
 
 hm, afaik no one ever needed that (normally one defines colors once
 on top of the document and there are seldom many of them)
 
 anyhow, as general inheritance is pretty fuzzy i.e. cloning a spot
 color and changing some rgb component or cloning a cmyk color and
 setting rgb components it will not be a feature of definecolor
 
 I've added \defineprocesscolor that cna be used as follows:

Are you sure it's a good idea to add another colour definition
mechanism? Then we have

  \definecolor
  \defineglobalcolor
  \definenamedcolor
  \definespotcolor
  \definemultitonecolor
  \defineprocesscolor

This is getting a little confusing, in my opinion. If the only
difference between \definespotcolor and \defineprocesscolor is the
colour space check, can't that be dealt with using a key-value
setting?

Probably a little late to discuss this, but I also don't see why
\definespotcolor got its own command. A simpler approach: If two
arguments to \definecolor are provided you define a colour, if three
arguments are provided you define a tint of a colour.

Marco


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Re: [NTG-context] Feature Request: define colour in relation to existing colour

[Hans Hagen]

On 8/21/2013 1:11 PM, Marco Patzer wrote:

On 2013–08–21 Hans Hagen wrote:


On 8/21/2013 2:25 AM, Thangalin wrote:

Hi,

What would it take to extend \definecolor so that:

   \definecolor[ColourA][ColourB][t=0.5, a=1]

defines a new colour (ColourB) based on an existing colour (ColourA)?

I know that \definespotcolor[ColourA][ColourB][t=0.5, a=1] works, but
it seems like \definecolor would also be a natural fit.


hm, afaik no one ever needed that (normally one defines colors once
on top of the document and there are seldom many of them)

anyhow, as general inheritance is pretty fuzzy i.e. cloning a spot
color and changing some rgb component or cloning a cmyk color and
setting rgb components it will not be a feature of definecolor

I've added \defineprocesscolor that cna be used as follows:


Are you sure it's a good idea to add another colour definition
mechanism? Then we have

   \definecolor


the one i use


   \defineglobalcolor


the one no-one uses


   \definenamedcolor


just a sort of synonym one might forget about (compatibility)


   \definespotcolor
   \definemultitonecolor


special color spaces


   \defineprocesscolor


the one users might use


This is getting a little confusing, in my opinion. If the only
difference between \definespotcolor and \defineprocesscolor is the
colour space check, can't that be dealt with using a key-value
setting?


some are made for speed (when one changes colors a lot in local / 
grouped cases)



Probably a little late to discuss this, but I also don't see why
\definespotcolor got its own command. A simpler approach: If two
arguments to \definecolor are provided you define a colour, if three
arguments are provided you define a tint of a colour.


well, more checking etc .. also some historic reasons as spot colors are 
rather special in the sense that they have to built on others .. seldom 
used anyway i guess



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Re: [NTG-context] Feature Request: define colour in relation to existing colour

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Wed, 21 Aug 2013, Marco Patzer wrote:


On 2013–08–21 Hans Hagen wrote:


On 8/21/2013 2:25 AM, Thangalin wrote:

Hi,

What would it take to extend \definecolor so that:

  \definecolor[ColourA][ColourB][t=0.5, a=1]

defines a new colour (ColourB) based on an existing colour (ColourA)?

I know that \definespotcolor[ColourA][ColourB][t=0.5, a=1] works, but
it seems like \definecolor would also be a natural fit.


hm, afaik no one ever needed that (normally one defines colors once
on top of the document and there are seldom many of them)

anyhow, as general inheritance is pretty fuzzy i.e. cloning a spot
color and changing some rgb component or cloning a cmyk color and
setting rgb components it will not be a feature of definecolor

I've added \defineprocesscolor that cna be used as follows:


Are you sure it's a good idea to add another colour definition
mechanism? Then we have

 \definecolor
 \defineglobalcolor
 \definenamedcolor
 \definespotcolor
 \definemultitonecolor
 \defineprocesscolor

This is getting a little confusing, in my opinion. If the only
difference between \definespotcolor and \defineprocesscolor is the
colour space check, can't that be dealt with using a key-value
setting?

Probably a little late to discuss this, but I also don't see why
\definespotcolor got its own command. A simpler approach: If two
arguments to \definecolor are provided you define a colour, if three
arguments are provided you define a tint of a colour.


Its time for a `simplecolor` module and a `\definesimplecolor` command :)

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Re: [NTG-context] Feature Request: showframe debugging

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Tue, 20 Aug 2013, Thangalin wrote:


Hi,

\showframe
[
 labels=on,
 measurements=on,
 color=red,
]

Would produce an image similar to the attached, but with the black
lines drawn in the specified colour.

Using labels=on would show the names of the items that can be changed
with \setuplayout.
Using measurements=on would show the values for each of the items.

I don't know if there is any value separating the measurements from the labels.


There was also the layout module[1] by Patrick that visualizes the layout, 
but it has not been tuned to work for MkIV.


[1]: http://modules.contextgarden.net/t-layout

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Re: [NTG-context] Feature Request: showframe debugging

[Marco Patzer]

On 2013–08–20 Thangalin wrote:

 \showframe
 [
   labels=on,
   measurements=on,
   color=red,
 ]
 
 Would produce an image similar to the attached, but with the black
 lines drawn in the specified colour.
 
 Using labels=on would show the names of the items that can be changed
 with \setuplayout.
 Using measurements=on would show the values for each of the items.
 
 I don't know if there is any value separating the measurements from the 
 labels.

Some years ago I visualised the layout elements for a cheat sheet. The code can 
be
found here:

  https://gist.github.com/mpfusion/4635387

It could be extended to visualise the layout dimensions as well. But
that complicates the code, since you don't know where the labels end
up and you need to check for overlapping labels.

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Re: [NTG-context] Feature Request: define colour in relation to existing colour

[Hans Hagen]

On 8/21/2013 4:23 PM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:


Its time for a `simplecolor` module and a `\definesimplecolor` command :)


Well, I suppose most users use just \definecolor as spot colors are 
something one only will use in special cases, in which the color setup 
only uses spot colors then. Also, inheritance has never been requested 
before so that's why I made a separate command, if only to avoid side 
effects.


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Re: [NTG-context] Feature Request: define colour in relation to existing colour

[Aditya Mahajan]

On 2013-08-21, at 11:18 AM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:

 On 8/21/2013 4:23 PM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
 
 Its time for a `simplecolor` module and a `\definesimplecolor` command :)
 
 Well, I suppose most users use just \definecolor as spot colors are something 
 one only will use in special cases, in which the color setup only uses spot 
 colors then. Also, inheritance has never been requested before so that's why 
 I made a separate command, if only to avoid side effects.

I understand, and I was joking.

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Re: [NTG-context] Feature Request: define colour in relation to existing colour

[Thangalin]

For context, here is the question on TeX.SE:

http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/129297/define-colour-transparency-in-relation-to-existing-colour

I agree with Marco:

Are you sure it's a good idea to add another colour definition
 mechanism? Then we have

  \definecolor
  \defineglobalcolor
  \definenamedcolor
  \definespotcolor
  \definemultitonecolor
  \defineprocesscolor

That is a little confusing. I can understand a speed requirement, but
surely that can be taken into consideration beneath the definition?

\definecolor[A][r=1, g=0, b=0]
\definecolor[B][A][a=1, t=0.5]

That seems fairly reasonable. Also, why not embed colour spaces within the
command?

\definecolor[A][colorspace=spot]
\definecolor[A][colorspace=multitone]
\definecolor[A][colorspace=pantone]

One command to define a colour, rather than several commands for specific
variations of defining colours.

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Re: [NTG-context] Feature Request: define colour in relation to existing colour

[Hans Hagen]

On 8/21/2013 8:27 PM, Thangalin wrote:

For context, here is the question on TeX.SE:

http://tex..stackexchange.com/questions/129297/define-colour-transparency-in-relation-to-existing-colour
http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/129297/define-colour-transparency-in-relation-to-existing-colour

I agree with Marco:

Are you sure it's a good idea to add another colour definition
mechanism? Then we have

   \definecolor
   \defineglobalcolor
   \definenamedcolor
   \definespotcolor
   \definemultitonecolor
   \defineprocesscolor


As said before:

\defineglobalcolor : probably no one (besided me) will use that
\definenamedcolor  : an historic synonym

so we have less commands. As spot and multitone colors are rather 
special, they have their own commands. In fact, you can stick to


\definespotcolor
\definemultitonecolor
\defineprocesscolor

if you like and forget about the rest.

MkIV: Much color related code sits at the Lua end and for some color 
spaces a bit extra info needs to be passed. Also, spot and multitone 
colors are always global. Combining all in one command is of course 
doable but deu to the fact that we end up with extra analysis at the tex 
end it would make the code more complex then I'd like with hardly any 
gain (and it would also make the command less efficient for local use). 
The average user will probably only use \definecolor and that one 
already has to take a lot into account, for instance mixed colors


\definecolor[whatever][.5(red,green)]

and some special tikz cases, which, in a combined command would mean 
that a second argument can be a parent color (needs to be resolved at 
the tex end before defining) or a mix specification or ...


MkII: the definition has been made efficient by assuming a limited set 
of known keys.



That is a little confusing. I can understand a speed requirement, but
surely that can be taken into consideration beneath the definition?

\definecolor[A][r=1, g=0, b=0]
\definecolor[B][A][a=1, t=0.5]

That seems fairly reasonable. Also, why not embed colour spaces within
the command?

 \definecolor[A][colorspace=spot]
 \definecolor[A][colorspace=multitone]
 \definecolor[A][colorspace=pantone]



One command to define a colour, rather than several commands for
specific variations of defining colours.


Putting too much in one command makes it harder to extend and more 
difficult to implement. Maybe


\definecolor [colorspace] [A] 

but again, it would be tricky to get that compatible. Maybe at some 
point \definecolor can become equal to the just introduced 
\defineprocesscolor ... but not now


Hans



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Re: [NTG-context] Feature-Request: Sort bibliography entries in alphabetical order by the entries' “short” value

[Michael Scholtz]

On 07.08.2013, at 22:13, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:

 On 8/7/2013 7:40 PM, Michael Scholtz wrote:
 Hi,
 
 the publication list can be configured with `\setuppublications` to be 
 sorted by cite order (`sorttype=cite`) or the order of the publication 
 entries (`sorttype=bbl`).
 
 With the following setup the short names of the publication entries are 
 used for cite references:
 
 \setuppublications[
 criterium=text,
 sorttype=cite,  % – short?
 refcommand=short,
 numbering=short,
 ...
 ]
 
 The short names are set using the `s` attribute:
 
 \startpublication[
   s={RFC2616},
   ...
 ]
   ...
 \stoppublication
 
 A cite with this setup would look like [RFC2616].
 
 In a long bibliography list it is useful if the entries are sorted in 
 alphabetical order by these short names to allow a faster lookup of 
 publications.
 
 Currently I'm using the filter module and a Tcl script to sort the 
 publication entries ( http://tex.stackexchange.com/q/126939/7074 ), but it 
 might be useful if something like a `sorttype=short` option would be added.
 
 I added 'short' as sorttype .. untested as no example.

Great, thanks!

Here an example for testing:


\setuppublications[
alternative=apa-de,
criterium=text,
sorttype=short,
refcommand=short,  
numbering=short,  
autohang=yes,
setupinteraction=start,
]

\setuppublicationlist[
samplesize={AA},
author=\invertedauthor,
artauthor=\invertedauthor,
]

%=== entries ===

\startpublication[
  k=jd42,
  t=book,
  a={Doe},
  y=2042,
  n=1,
  s={JD42},
]
  \author[]{John}[]{}{Doe}
  \pubyear{2042}
  \title{Greetings form the future}
\stoppublication


\startpublication[
  k=bh2008,
  t=book,
  a={Bringhurst},
  y=2008,
  n=1,
  s={ELEM},
]
  \author[]{Robert}[]{}{Bringhurst}
  \pubyear{2008}
  \title{The Elements of Typographic Style}
  \edition{3.2}
  \city{Point Roberts WA, Vancouver}
\stoppublication


\startpublication[
  k=taco1999, 
  t=article,
  a=Hoekwater,
  y=1999,
  s=TH99,
  n=1
]
\artauthor[]{Taco}[T.]{}{Hoekwater}
\arttitle{\CONTEXT\ Publication Module, The user documententation} 
\journal{MAPS}
\pubyear{To appear}
\note{This article}
\pages{66--76}
\stoppublication


\startpublication [
  k=fielding2000,
  t=phdthesis,
  a={Fielding},
  y=2000,
  n=1,
  s={FIE2000},
]
  \author[]{Roy Thomas}[R. T.]{}{Fielding}
  \title{Architectural Styles and the Design of Network-based Software 
Architectures}
  \pubname{University of California, Irvine}
  \isbn{0-599-87118-0}
\stoppublication


%=== /entries ===

\starttext

Foo \cite[fielding2000]. Bar \cite[taco1999]. Baz \cite[bh2008]. Bla 
\cite[jd42].

\completepublications

\stoptext



Michael


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Re: [NTG-context] Feature-Request: Sort bibliography entries in alphabetical order by the entries' “short” value

[Hans Hagen]

On 8/8/2013 9:29 AM, Michael Scholtz wrote:


Here an example for testing:


uploading a beta .. we now have: sorttype=cite|short|reference

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Re: [NTG-context] Feature-Request: Sort bibliography entries in alphabetical order by the entries' “short” value

[Hans Hagen]

On 8/7/2013 7:40 PM, Michael Scholtz wrote:

Hi,

the publication list can be configured with `\setuppublications` to be sorted 
by cite order (`sorttype=cite`) or the order of the publication entries 
(`sorttype=bbl`).

With the following setup the short names of the publication entries are used 
for cite references:

 \setuppublications[
 criterium=text,
 sorttype=cite,  % – short?
 refcommand=short,
 numbering=short,
 ...
 ]

The short names are set using the `s` attribute:

 \startpublication[
   s={RFC2616},
   ...
 ]
   ...
 \stoppublication

A cite with this setup would look like [RFC2616].

In a long bibliography list it is useful if the entries are sorted in 
alphabetical order by these short names to allow a faster lookup of 
publications.

Currently I'm using the filter module and a Tcl script to sort the 
publication entries ( http://tex.stackexchange.com/q/126939/7074 ), but it might be 
useful if something like a `sorttype=short` option would be added.


I added 'short' as sorttype .. untested as no example.

Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] feature request for \getspr{}

[Peter Münster]

On Fri, Jun 08 2012, Hans Hagen wrote:

 \setupspreadsheet
   [test]
   [period={{\bf\middlered .}},
comma={{\bf\middlegreen ,}},
split=yes]

Thanks, that's fine!

Just a minor fix in line 183:   if split == yes then

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Re: [NTG-context] feature request for \getspr{}

[Hans Hagen]

On 8-6-2012 09:38, Peter Münster wrote:

Hi,

It would be nice, if \getspr{} of the m-spreadsheet module could print a
comma instead of a dot as decimal-point.

For now, I use this workaround:

--8---cut here---start-8---
function spreadsheets.get(name,r,c,str)
 if name ==  then name = current if name ==  then name = default end 
end
 if not str or str ==  then
 context(data[name][c][r] or 0)
 else
 local result = execute(name,r,c,str)
 if result then
 if type(result) == number then
 data[name][c][r] = result
 end
 if userdata and userdata.spreadsheet_use_comma then
 result = tostring(result)
 result = result:gsub(%., ,)
 end
 context(result)
 end
 end
end
--8---cut here---end---8---


I've added moduledata.spreadsheets.settings.numberseparator but you have 
to test it after the next upload.


(Typpically oen of those modules that I'd forgotten about.)

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Re: [NTG-context] feature request for \getspr{}

[Peter Münster]

On Fri, Jun 08 2012, Hans Hagen wrote:

 I've added moduledata.spreadsheets.settings.numberseparator but you have to
 test it after the next upload.

Tested. Thanks!

Just a minor comment: \setupspreadsheet[numberseparator=,] would be
nicer than
\ctxlua{moduledata.spreadsheets.settings.numberseparator = ,}

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Re: [NTG-context] feature request for \getspr{}

[Hans Hagen]

On 8-6-2012 12:21, Peter Münster wrote:

On Fri, Jun 08 2012, Hans Hagen wrote:


I've added moduledata.spreadsheets.settings.numberseparator but you have to
test it after the next upload.


Tested. Thanks!

Just a minor comment: \setupspreadsheet[numberseparator=,] would be
nicer than
\ctxlua{moduledata.spreadsheets.settings.numberseparator = ,}


next beta


\setupspreadsheet
  [test]
  [period={{\bf\middlered .}},
   comma={{\bf\middlegreen ,}},
   split=yes]

\startspreadsheettable[test]
   \startrow
 \startcell  123456.78 \stopcell
 \startcell 1234567.89 \stopcell
 \startcell A[1] + B[1] \stopcell
   \stoprow
\stopspreadsheettable


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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request: criterium=component

[Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد]

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 03:34:07 -0700, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:


Will be in the next beta. And *you* are going to wikify it!


Ok, done :-)

http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Table_of_Contents#Tables_of_contents_.28and_other_lists.29_via_project_structures

And thanks for implementing this!

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Re: [NTG-context] feature request

[Hans Hagen]

On 15-11-2011 06:43, Aditya Mahajan wrote:


Here is a slightly cleanup version that handles multiline comments better

https://github.com/adityam/context-comments/blob/master/t-comments.mkvi


 if find(s,stop) then
   insideComment = false
   return cleaned_line .. currentfilter(strip_to_stop(s))
 else

as find returns a position, you can do things like this:

local stop = find(s,stop)
if stop then
 ...
 return cleaned_line .. sub(s,stop+#stop,#s)

(ok, you need to know the real unescaped length of stop)


But this will only work if % has its usual catcode. I don't know how to
get around that limitation.


for multiline we can plug into the texthandler instead, but it's not 
worth the trouble and the line based one permits selective enable/disable


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Re: [NTG-context] feature request

[Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد]

On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 11:38:42 -0700, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس  سماوي حامد  
isha...@colostate.edu wrote:



OTOH, why not just use
 bla bla \message{Here is a note to myself.} bla bla


Just curious: Is there anything that \message is missing for what u want?  
I tried both inline and multiline combos and they all work like a charm:


==
\starttext
Here is some text. \message{Given an action, the recompense is always in  
proportion to the degree of participation in Consciousness involved.} Here  
is some text.


Here is some text. \message{Given an action, the recompense is always in
proportion to the degree of participation in Consciousness involved.} Here  
is some text.


Here is some text.
\message{Given an action, the recompense is always in proportion to the  
degree of participation in Consciousness involved.}

Here is some text.

Here is some text.
\message{Given an action, the recompense is always in proportion to the  
degree of

 participation in Consciousness involved.}
Here is some text.
\stoptext
==

As a feature, I suppose all that's needed -- for the paranoid, maybe  
you're writing a letter to your boss with hidden curses ;-) -- is the  
option to suppress the showing of the text on the console/log. Although  
it's in the source anyway ... For ¿ and ¡ probably some simple catcode  
trickery will \let you define them as you like.


So I'm curious: How can we define

¿ = \message{
¡ = } % this one is of course trivial, but for completeness...

Since you brought this up, I've actually started using \message more (and  
no, not for cursing my boss!)


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Re: [NTG-context] feature request

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 15.11.2011 um 23:03 schrieb Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد:

 On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 11:38:42 -0700, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس  سماوي حامد 
 isha...@colostate.edu wrote:
 
 OTOH, why not just use
 bla bla \message{Here is a note to myself.} bla bla
 
 Just curious: Is there anything that \message is missing for what u want? I 
 tried both inline and multiline combos and they all work like a charm:

When you use \gobbleoneargument you can omit the output in the log.

 ==
 \starttext
 Here is some text. \message{Given an action, the recompense is always in 
 proportion to the degree of participation in Consciousness involved.} Here is 
 some text.
 
 Here is some text. \message{Given an action, the recompense is always in
 proportion to the degree of participation in Consciousness involved.} Here is 
 some text.
 
 Here is some text.
 \message{Given an action, the recompense is always in proportion to the 
 degree of participation in Consciousness involved.}
 Here is some text.
 
 Here is some text.
 \message{Given an action, the recompense is always in proportion to the 
 degree of
 participation in Consciousness involved.}
 Here is some text.
 \stoptext
 ==

You see that there are now two spaces between your sentences, compare the 
following two sentences:

\starttext

text \message{hidden} text

text\message{hidden} text

\stoptext

To avoid this I added \removeunwantedspaces to my \hide command.

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Re: [NTG-context] feature request

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Tue, 15 Nov 2011, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس   سماوي حامد wrote:

On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 11:38:42 -0700, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس  سماوي حامد 
isha...@colostate.edu wrote:



OTOH, why not just use
bla bla \message{Here is a note to myself.} bla bla


Just curious: Is there anything that \message is missing for what u want? I 
tried both inline and multiline combos and they all work like a charm:


Untested, but I am pretty sure

\message{\iffalse}

will fail. Basically, everything inside \message (or the \hide macro by 
Wolfgang) needs to be processed by TeX, so strictly speaking it is not 
equivalent to a comment.


See the TeX FAQ http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=conditional 
for more details.


The most robust solution is to use buffers, but that will not work if the 
buffer is part of a macro argument.


The luatex solution (which is again not perfect) that I posted removes 
everything inside the comment before it is seeen by TeX.


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Re: [NTG-context] feature request

[Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد]

Dear Aditya, Wolfgang,

On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 15:11:55 -0700, Wolfgang Schuster  
schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote:



When you use \gobbleoneargument you can omit the output in the log.

:

To avoid this I added \removeunwantedspaces to my \hide command.


On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 15:28:24 -0700, Aditya Mahajan adit...@umich.edu  
wrote:



Untested, but I am pretty sure

\message{\iffalse}

will fail. Basically, everything inside \message (or the \hide macro by
Wolfgang) needs to be processed by TeX, so strictly speaking it is not
equivalent to a comment.

See the TeX FAQ  
http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=conditional

for more details.

The most robust solution is to use buffers, but that will not work if the
buffer is part of a macro argument.

The luatex solution (which is again not perfect) that I posted removes
everything inside the comment before it is seeen by TeX.


Thank you both for your insightful answers. I appreciate it!

Best wishes
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Re: [NTG-context] feature request

[Hans Hagen]

On 14-11-2011 08:57, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:


Am 13.11.2011 um 22:33 schrieb Andreas Schneider:


On 13.11.2011 11:55, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:


I am looking for the same functionality as the traditional TeX comment 
(starting with %), but used in-line not only after a paragraph.


That sounds a bit strange, because a paragraph doesn't end with a line break. 
That's how I usually do my comments too; just add a comment and continue after 
the line break with the content/sentence/paragraph:

-8
This is %some comment
an example.
-8

... will end up as: This is an example.




maybe paragraph was the wrong word (even though in your example between comment and 
an there is a pilcrow too, which is commonly used to denote individual paragraphs).

that's what I meant: a true in-line comment ... without a line-break, 
parapgraph-break, pilcrow for ending the comment:

This is ¿some comment¡ an example.


and next one would want:

This is ¿some
comment¡ an example.

and

\startchapter[title={This is ¿some comment¡ an example.}]

and ... so it's asking for a mess.

Just use a command as Wolfgang mentioned.

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Re: [NTG-context] feature request

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Fri, 11 Nov 2011, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:


quite often I wish we could have a kind of in line comment:
Something like ¿this is my comment¡ this.

I assume it is not trivial due to catcode issues, to say the least.
But nevertheless, as it is getting close to christmas, I just wanted to mention 
this idea here.


As long as there is no line break in the comment, the following lua based 
solution works (inspired by m-translate)


\startluacode
  local comments = {}
  thirddata = thirddata or {}

  thirddata.comments = comments

  function comments.translate(s)
  return string.gsub(s, ¿.-¡,)
  end

  local textlineactions = resolvers.openers.helpers.textlineactions
  
utilities.sequencers.appendaction(textlineactions,after,thirddata.comments.translate)

  function comments.enable()

utilities.sequencers.enableaction(textlineactions,thirddata.comments.translate)
  end

  function comments.disable()

utilities.sequencers.disableaction(textlineactions,thirddata.comments.translate)
  end

  comments.disable()
\stopluacode

\def\enablecomments {\ctxlua{thirddata.comments.enable()}}
\def\disablecomments{\ctxlua{thirddata.comments.disable()}}

\appendtoks
  \enablecomments
  \to \everystarttext

\starttext
\section{An ¿in \iffalse comment¡ works}
Multiple ¿in \iffalse comment¡ with something  ¿in \iffalse comment¡ in betweeen
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Re: [NTG-context] feature request

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Am 14.11.2011 um 09:07 schrieb Hans Hagen:

 On 14-11-2011 08:57, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
 
 Am 13.11.2011 um 22:33 schrieb Andreas Schneider:
 
 On 13.11.2011 11:55, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
 
 I am looking for the same functionality as the traditional TeX comment 
 (starting with %), but used in-line not only after a paragraph.
 
 That sounds a bit strange, because a paragraph doesn't end with a line 
 break. That's how I usually do my comments too; just add a comment and 
 continue after the line break with the content/sentence/paragraph:
 
 -8
 This is %some comment
 an example.
 -8
 
 ... will end up as: This is an example.
 
 
 
 maybe paragraph was the wrong word (even though in your example between 
 comment and an there is a pilcrow too, which is commonly used to denote 
 individual paragraphs).
 
 that's what I meant: a true in-line comment ... without a line-break, 
 parapgraph-break, pilcrow for ending the comment:
 
 This is ¿some comment¡ an example.
 
 and next one would want:
 
 This is ¿some
 comment¡ an example.
 
 and
 
 \startchapter[title={This is ¿some comment¡ an example.}]

of course! how did you know that :o)


 and ... so it's asking for a mess.
 
 Just use a command as Wolfgang mentioned.

yes, that what I thought right away too. 
for the sake of completeness, I just wanted to answer Idris question and wait 
what he thinks.

Thanks to all,
Steffen
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Re: [NTG-context] feature request

[Hans Hagen]

On 14-11-2011 09:47, Aditya Mahajan wrote:

On Fri, 11 Nov 2011, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:


quite often I wish we could have a kind of in line comment:
Something like ¿this is my comment¡ this.

I assume it is not trivial due to catcode issues, to say the least.
But nevertheless, as it is getting close to christmas, I just wanted
to mention this idea here.


As long as there is no line break in the comment, the following lua
based solution works (inspired by m-translate)

\startluacode
local comments = {}
thirddata = thirddata or {}

thirddata.comments = comments

function comments.translate(s)
return string.gsub(s, ¿.-¡,)
end

local textlineactions = resolvers.openers.helpers.textlineactions
utilities.sequencers.appendaction(textlineactions,after,thirddata.comments.translate)


function comments.enable()
utilities.sequencers.enableaction(textlineactions,thirddata.comments.translate)

end

function comments.disable()
utilities.sequencers.disableaction(textlineactions,thirddata.comments.translate)

end

comments.disable()
\stopluacode

\def\enablecomments {\ctxlua{thirddata.comments.enable()}}
\def\disablecomments{\ctxlua{thirddata.comments.disable()}}

\appendtoks
\enablecomments
\to \everystarttext

\starttext
\section{An ¿in \iffalse comment¡ works}
Multiple ¿in \iffalse comment¡ with something ¿in \iffalse comment¡ in
betweeen
\stoptext


or ...

\startluacode

thirddata  = thirddata or { }
local comments = { filters = { } }
thirddata.comments = comments

local textlineactions = resolvers.openers.helpers.textlineactions
local sequencers  = utilities.sequencers
local constants   = interfaces.constants

local gsub, find, format = string.gsub, string.find, string.format

function comments.install(name,settings)
local settings = utilities.parsers.settings_to_hash(settings)
local start = string.escapedpattern(settings[constants.start] 
or )

local stop = string.escapedpattern(settings[constants.stop] or )
if start ~=  and stop ~=  then
local pattern = start .. .- .. stop
comments.filters[name] = function(s)
if s ==  then
return 
elseif find(s,start) then
return (gsub(s,pattern,))
else
return s
end
end

sequencers.appendaction(textlineactions,after,format(thirddata.comments.filters.%s,name))
comments.disable(name)
end
end

function comments.enable(name)

sequencers.enableaction(textlineactions,format(thirddata.comments.filters.%s,name))
end

function comments.disable(name)

sequencers.disableaction(textlineactions,format(thirddata.comments.filters.%s,name))
end

\stopluacode

\unprotect

\unexpanded\def\installcomments{\dodoubleargument\doinstallcomments}

\def\doinstallcomments[#1][#2]%

{\ctxlua{thirddata.comments.install(\!!bs#1\!!es,\!!bs\detokenize{#2}\!!es)}}

\unexpanded\def\enablecomments[#1]%
  {\ctxlua{thirddata.comments.enable (\!!bs#1\!!es)}}

\unexpanded\def\disablecomments[#1]%
  {\ctxlua{thirddata.comments.disable(\!!bs#1\!!es)}}

\protect

\installcomments[test] [start=¿,stop=¡]
\installcomments[test2][start=¡,stop=¿]

\enablecomments[test]
\enablecomments[test2]

\starttext

\section{An ¿in \iffalse comment¡ works}
Multiple ¿in \iffalse comment¡ with something  ¿in \iffalse comment¡ in 
betweeen


oeps ¿oeps¡ oeps ¡oeps¿ oeps

\stoptext



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Re: [NTG-context] feature request

[Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد]

On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 02:22:17 -0700, Steffen Wolfrum  
cont...@st.estfiles.de wrote:



 I just wanted to answer Idris question and wait what he thinks.


Your request is a bit different from what I had in mind ...

OTOH, why not just use

bla bla \message{Here is a note to myself.} bla bla

It'll show up in the log file, but who cares?

:-)

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Re: [NTG-context] feature request

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Mon, 14 Nov 2011, Hans Hagen wrote:


On 14-11-2011 09:47, Aditya Mahajan wrote:

 On Fri, 11 Nov 2011, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:

  quite often I wish we could have a kind of in line comment:
  Something like ¿this is my comment¡ this.
 
  I assume it is not trivial due to catcode issues, to say the least.

  But nevertheless, as it is getting close to christmas, I just wanted
  to mention this idea here.

 As long as there is no line break in the comment, the following lua
 based solution works (inspired by m-translate)


or ...



Why not go all the way with full multiline comments then? See attached.

Aditya\startluacode
 thirddata  = thirddata or { }
 local comments = { filters = { } }
 thirddata.comments = comments

 local textlineactions = resolvers.openers.helpers.textlineactions
 local sequencers  = utilities.sequencers
 local constants   = interfaces.constants

 local gsub, find, format = string.gsub, string.find, string.format

 function comments.install(name,settings)
 local settings = utilities.parsers.settings_to_hash(settings)
 local start = string.escapedpattern(settings[constants.start] or )
 local stop  = string.escapedpattern(settings[constants.stop] or )
 local any   = .-
 if start ~=  and stop ~=  then
local strip_inline = function(s) return gsub(s, start .. any .. stop, , 1) end
local strip_start  = function(s) return gsub(s, start .. any, , 1) end
local strip_stop   = function(s) return gsub(s, ^   .. any .. stop, , 1) end 
local insideComment = false 
comments.filters[name] = function(s)
local filter = comments.filters[name]
if s ==  then
return s
elseif insideComment then
if find(s,stop) then
insideComment = false
return filter(strip_stop(s))
else
return 
end
elseif find(s,start) then
if find(s, stop) then
return filter(strip_inline(s))
else
insideComment = true 
return strip_start(s)
end
else
return s
end
 end
 sequencers.appendaction(textlineactions,after,format(thirddata.comments.filters.%s,name))
 comments.disable(name)
 end
 end

 function comments.enable(name)
sequencers.enableaction(textlineactions,format(thirddata.comments.filters.%s,name))
 end

 function comments.disable(name)
sequencers.disableaction(textlineactions,format(thirddata.comments.filters.%s,name))
 end

\stopluacode

\unprotect

\unexpanded\def\installcomments{\dodoubleargument\doinstallcomments}

\def\doinstallcomments[#1][#2]%
{\ctxlua{thirddata.comments.install(\!!bs#1\!!es,\!!bs\detokenize{#2}\!!es)}}

\unexpanded\def\enablecomments[#1]%
   {\ctxlua{thirddata.comments.enable (\!!bs#1\!!es)}}

\unexpanded\def\disablecomments[#1]%
   {\ctxlua{thirddata.comments.disable(\!!bs#1\!!es)}}

\protect

\installcomments[test] [start=/*,stop=*/]

\starttext
\enablecomments[test]

\section{Test of /*inline*/ comments}
/* Test for multiline comments
 * to see if they work
 */

Another test for /* inline comments */ with multiple /* commented lines
that span /* false nested comments as well */ to see if it works

\stoptext
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Re: [NTG-context] feature request

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Mon, 14 Nov 2011, Aditya Mahajan wrote:


On Mon, 14 Nov 2011, Hans Hagen wrote:


 On 14-11-2011 09:47, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
   On Fri, 11 Nov 2011, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
 
quite often I wish we could have a kind of in line comment:

Something like ¿this is my comment¡ this.
  
I assume it is not trivial due to catcode issues, to say the least.

But nevertheless, as it is getting close to christmas, I just wanted
to mention this idea here.
 
   As long as there is no line break in the comment, the following lua

   based solution works (inspired by m-translate)

 or ...



Why not go all the way with full multiline comments then? See attached.



Here is a slightly cleanup version that handles multiline comments better

https://github.com/adityam/context-comments/blob/master/t-comments.mkvi

But this will only work if % has its usual catcode. I don't know how to 
get around that limitation.


Aditya


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Re: [NTG-context] feature request

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Hi Idris,

Am 11.11.2011 um 19:47 schrieb Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد:

 On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:34:28 -0700, Steffen Wolfrum cont...@st.estfiles.de 
 wrote:
 
 quite often I wish we could have a kind of in line comment:
 Something like ¿this is my comment¡ this.
 
 I think the mechanism for fancy in-line comments is already there, developed 
 one-or-two years ago as we were working on some critical-edition-related 
 stuff ...
 
 I saw the other answers: Could you elaborate more about exactly what you're 
 looking for, just in case their suggestions don't quite hit the spot?



I am looking for the same functionality as the traditional TeX comment 
(starting with %), but used in-line not only after a paragraph.

This means, it is only meant for writing/reading comments in the source. 
And its presence must not affect the typeset file, eg. the resulting PDF, in 
any respect, of course!

Is the mechanism you mention best suited for that purpose?


Steffen
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Re: [NTG-context] feature request

[Andreas Schneider]

On 13.11.2011 11:55, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:


I am looking for the same functionality as the traditional TeX comment 
(starting with %), but used in-line not only after a paragraph.


That sounds a bit strange, because a paragraph doesn't end with a line 
break. That's how I usually do my comments too; just add a comment and 
continue after the line break with the content/sentence/paragraph:


-8
This is %some comment
an example.
-8

... will end up as: This is an example.

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Re: [NTG-context] feature request

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Am 13.11.2011 um 22:33 schrieb Andreas Schneider:

 On 13.11.2011 11:55, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
 
 I am looking for the same functionality as the traditional TeX comment 
 (starting with %), but used in-line not only after a paragraph.
 
 That sounds a bit strange, because a paragraph doesn't end with a line break. 
 That's how I usually do my comments too; just add a comment and continue 
 after the line break with the content/sentence/paragraph:
 
 -8
 This is %some comment
 an example.
 -8
 
 ... will end up as: This is an example.



maybe paragraph was the wrong word (even though in your example between 
comment and an there is a pilcrow too, which is commonly used to denote 
individual paragraphs).

that's what I meant: a true in-line comment ... without a line-break, 
parapgraph-break, pilcrow for ending the comment:

This is ¿some comment¡ an example.


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Re: [NTG-context] feature request

[Andreas Harder]

On 11.11.2011, at 16:34, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:

 Hi Hans,
 
 quite often I wish we could have a kind of in line comment:
 Something like ¿this is my comment¡ this.

Isn't there already \comment{…}?

\starttext
test \comment{comment} test
\stoptext

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Re: [NTG-context] feature request

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 11.11.2011 um 16:53 schrieb Andreas Harder:

 
 On 11.11.2011, at 16:34, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
 
 Hi Hans,
 
 quite often I wish we could have a kind of in line comment:
 Something like ¿this is my comment¡ this.
 
 Isn't there already \comment{…}?
 
 \starttext
 test \comment{comment} test
 \stoptext

The \comment command can be used to add PDF comments to your document, IIRC 
it’s documented in the widgets manual.

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Re: [NTG-context] feature request

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 11.11.2011 um 16:34 schrieb Steffen Wolfrum:

 Hi Hans,
 
 quite often I wish we could have a kind of in line comment:
 Something like ¿this is my comment¡ this.
 
 I assume it is not trivial due to catcode issues, to say the least.
 But nevertheless, as it is getting close to christmas, I just wanted to 
 mention this idea here.

\usemodule[annotation]

\defineannotation[hide][alternative=none]

\starttext
Something like \hide{This is my comment!} this.
\stoptext

A simple definition of the hide which doesn’t require the annotation module is:

\define[1]\hide{\removeunwantedspaces}

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Re: [NTG-context] feature request

[Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد]

On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:34:28 -0700, Steffen Wolfrum  
cont...@st.estfiles.de wrote:



quite often I wish we could have a kind of in line comment:
Something like ¿this is my comment¡ this.


I think the mechanism for fancy in-line comments is already there,  
developed one-or-two years ago as we were working on some  
critical-edition-related stuff ...


I saw the other answers: Could you elaborate more about exactly what  
you're looking for, just in case their suggestions don't quite hit the  
spot?


Best wishes
Idris
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Department of Philosophy
Colorado State University
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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request: setuppapersize

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011, Aditya Mahajan wrote:


On Tue, 22 Mar 2011, Hans Hagen wrote:
so i changed it a bit in the next beta .. i also made middle the default 
location


Thank you. I will document all this in the next TUGBoat article on Context 
for users.


http://wiki.contextgarden.net/PaperSetup

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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request: setuppapersize

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On 21-3-2011 5:08, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:


Am 21.03.2011 um 00:43 schrieb Aditya Mahajan:


About two months back I had requested that the second argument be made 
optional. Hans had implemented that request, but it does not always work (I 
don't know if this is a regression over the original implemenetation, or it 
never worked correctly).


I doubt if it has ever worked because after i looked at the source for the 
defintion of \setuppapersize i see that Hans (i mean samesized) code can’t work.


well, it works if one specifies [A5][samesize] but it looks like folks 
want even more automatism ... so i changed it a bit in the next beta .. 
i also made middle the default location


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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request: setuppapersize

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011, Hans Hagen wrote:


On 21-3-2011 5:08, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:


Am 21.03.2011 um 00:43 schrieb Aditya Mahajan:

About two months back I had requested that the second argument be made 
optional. Hans had implemented that request, but it does not always work 
(I don't know if this is a regression over the original implemenetation, 
or it never worked correctly).


I doubt if it has ever worked because after i looked at the source for the 
defintion of \setuppapersize i see that Hans (i mean samesized) code can’t 
work.


well, it works if one specifies [A5][samesize]


Yes, but [A5][A5] is simpler than [A5][samesize] :)


but it looks like folks want even more automatism ...


and easier explanation. The trouble with [A5][A5] is that you need to 
explain the difference between papersize and printpapersize before you can 
explain how to change the papersize. Most users don't care about this 
difference, so the additional syntax gets confusing.


so i changed it a bit in the next beta .. i also made middle the default 
location


Thank you. I will document all this in the next TUGBoat article on 
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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request: setuppapersize

[Cecil Westerhof]

2011/3/22 Aditya Mahajan adit...@umich.edu

 well, it works if one specifies [A5][samesize]

 Yes, but [A5][A5] is simpler than [A5][samesize] :)


With the former if the size changes to A6, you only have to change one
thing. So in light of maintenance it is better.

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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request: setuppapersize

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Hi Aditya,Testing your minimal example:\setuppapersize[A5]\showframe\starttext\dorecurse{10}{\input knuth \endgraf}\stoptextit seems that I do get an A5 papersize (ConTeXt version2011.02.25 22:03, andLuaTeX, Version beta-0.65.0-2010121316). I attach the PDF file for your information (since I don't know how to get pdfinfo…).Best regards: OK

test-A5.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document
On 19 mars 2011, at 18:59, Aditya Mahajan wrote:[…]I don't know if something changed, but this has stoopped working.\setuppapersize[A5]\starttext\dorecurse{10}{\input knuth \endgraf}\stoptextWith MkII I get$pdfinfo page-test.pdfTitle: page-testSubject:Keywords:Author:Creator: ConTeXt - 2011.02.25 22:03Producer: pdfTeX-1.40.11CreationDate: Sat Mar 19 13:50:49 2011ModDate: ConTeXt - 2011.02.25 22:03Tagged: noPages: 5Encrypted: noPage size: 595.276 x 841.89 pts (A4)File size: 33436 bytesOptimized: noPDF version: 1.5With MkIV:$pdfinfo page-test.pdf Title: page-testCreator: ConTeXt - 2011.02.25 22:03Producer: LuaTeX-0.65.0CreationDate: Sat Mar 19 13:53:29 2011ModDate: Sat Mar 19 13:53:29 2011Tagged: noPages: 5Encrypted: noPage size: 595.276 x 841.89 pts (A4)File size: 16057 bytesOptimized: noPDF version: 1.6Notice that the page size is still A4! Any idea why this is happening?(I get the right paper size with letter, A0, A1, A2, A3, but wrong paper sizes with anything smaller than A4).Aditya___If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-contextwebpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.netarchive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/wiki : http://contextgarden.net___
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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request: setuppapersize

[C.]

... and that's what happens if I don't read the whole thread :D sorry.
@Kavian: the attached PDF is A4 (does your PDF-reader not show the paper
dimensions in some kind of proprieties dialog?! Adobe Reader sure does)
As for the issue: same behavior here. I, too, find it confusing when I don’t
get the desired size by using only one argument. +1 for change.

 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
 Von: Aditya Mahajan [mailto:adit...@umich.edu]
 Gesendet: Montag, 21. März 2011 00:43
 An: mailing list for ConTeXt users
 Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Feature request: setuppapersize
 
 On Sun, 20 Mar 2011, C. wrote:
 
  Did you try \setuppapersize[A5][A5] ?
  According to http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Reference/en/setuppapersize
  second argument (the print paper size) is A4 by default.
 
 About two months back I had requested that the second argument be made
 optional. Hans had implemented that request, but it does not always work
(I
 don't know if this is a regression over the original implemenetation, or
it
 never worked correctly).
 
 Aditya


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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request: setuppapersize

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 21.03.2011 um 00:43 schrieb Aditya Mahajan:

 About two months back I had requested that the second argument be made 
 optional. Hans had implemented that request, but it does not always work (I 
 don't know if this is a regression over the original implemenetation, or it 
 never worked correctly).

I doubt if it has ever worked because after i looked at the source for the 
defintion of \setuppapersize i see that Hans (i mean samesized) code can’t work.

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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request: setuppapersize

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Mon, 21 Mar 2011, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:



Am 21.03.2011 um 00:43 schrieb Aditya Mahajan:


About two months back I had requested that the second argument be made 
optional. Hans had implemented that request, but it does not always work (I 
don't know if this is a regression over the original implemenetation, or it 
never worked correctly).


I doubt if it has ever worked because after i looked at the source for the 
defintion of \setuppapersize i see that Hans (i mean samesized) code can’t work.


So, my testing was not thorough in the first place :(

Hans, can you look into this again?

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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request: setuppapersize

[C.]

Did you try \setuppapersize[A5][A5] ?
According to http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Reference/en/setuppapersize
second argument (the print paper size) is A4 by default.


 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
 Von: Aditya Mahajan [mailto:adit...@umich.edu]
 Gesendet: Samstag, 19. März 2011 18:59
 An: mailing list for ConTeXt users
 Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Feature request: setuppapersize
 
 On Mon, 10 Jan 2011, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
 
  On Mon, 10 Jan 2011, Hans Hagen wrote:
 
  more elegant and downward compatible is this:
 
  \definepapersize
   [samesized]
   [ \c!width=\paperwidth,
\c!height=\paperheight]
 
  \setuppapersize
   [A4][samesized]
 
  in page-lay.mkiv
 
  Indeed. This will also work fine.
 
 I don't know if something changed, but this has stoopped working.
 
 \setuppapersize[A5]
 \starttext
 \dorecurse{10}{\input knuth \endgraf}
 \stoptext
 
 With MkII I get
 
 $pdfinfo page-test.pdf
 Title:  page-test
 Subject:
 Keywords:
 Author:
 Creator:ConTeXt - 2011.02.25 22:03
 Producer:   pdfTeX-1.40.11
 CreationDate:   Sat Mar 19 13:50:49 2011
 ModDate:ConTeXt - 2011.02.25 22:03
 Tagged: no
 Pages:  5
 Encrypted:  no
 Page size:  595.276 x 841.89 pts (A4)
 File size:  33436 bytes
 Optimized:  no
 PDF version:1.5
 
 With MkIV:
 
 $pdfinfo page-test.pdf
 Title:  page-test
 Creator:ConTeXt - 2011.02.25 22:03
 Producer:   LuaTeX-0.65.0
 CreationDate:   Sat Mar 19 13:53:29 2011
 ModDate:Sat Mar 19 13:53:29 2011
 Tagged: no
 Pages:  5
 Encrypted:  no
 Page size:  595.276 x 841.89 pts (A4)
 File size:  16057 bytes
 Optimized:  no
 PDF version:1.6
 
 Notice that the page size is still A4! Any idea why this is happening?
 (I get the right paper size with letter, A0, A1, A2, A3, but wrong paper
sizes
 with anything smaller than A4).
 
 Aditya


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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request: setuppapersize

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Sun, 20 Mar 2011, C. wrote:


Did you try \setuppapersize[A5][A5] ?
According to http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Reference/en/setuppapersize
second argument (the print paper size) is A4 by default.


About two months back I had requested that the second argument be made 
optional. Hans had implemented that request, but it does not always work 
(I don't know if this is a regression over the original implemenetation, 
or it never worked correctly).


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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request: setuppapersize

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Mon, 10 Jan 2011, Aditya Mahajan wrote:


On Mon, 10 Jan 2011, Hans Hagen wrote:


more elegant and downward compatible is this:

\definepapersize
 [samesized]
 [ \c!width=\paperwidth,
  \c!height=\paperheight]

\setuppapersize
 [A4][samesized]

in page-lay.mkiv


Indeed. This will also work fine.


I don't know if something changed, but this has stoopped working.

\setuppapersize[A5]
\starttext
\dorecurse{10}{\input knuth \endgraf}
\stoptext

With MkII I get

$pdfinfo page-test.pdf
Title:  page-test
Subject:
Keywords:
Author:
Creator:ConTeXt - 2011.02.25 22:03
Producer:   pdfTeX-1.40.11
CreationDate:   Sat Mar 19 13:50:49 2011
ModDate:ConTeXt - 2011.02.25 22:03
Tagged: no
Pages:  5
Encrypted:  no
Page size:  595.276 x 841.89 pts (A4)
File size:  33436 bytes
Optimized:  no
PDF version:1.5

With MkIV:

$pdfinfo page-test.pdf 
Title:  page-test

Creator:ConTeXt - 2011.02.25 22:03
Producer:   LuaTeX-0.65.0
CreationDate:   Sat Mar 19 13:53:29 2011
ModDate:Sat Mar 19 13:53:29 2011
Tagged: no
Pages:  5
Encrypted:  no
Page size:  595.276 x 841.89 pts (A4)
File size:  16057 bytes
Optimized:  no
PDF version:1.6

Notice that the page size is still A4! Any idea why this is happening?
(I get the right paper size with letter, A0, A1, A2, A3, but wrong paper 
sizes with anything smaller than A4).


Aditya
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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request: Title Case/Start Case

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Am 31.01.2011 um 02:11 schrieb Reviczky, Adam:

 Hi,
 
 May I ask for supporting Title Case or Start Case in core ConTeXt?
 Eg: The first letter of each word is capitalized, the rest are lower case.
 
 It would be nice to have something like these:
 \TitleCase{What to capitalize in title case} resulting in What to Capitalize 
 in Title Case
 \StartCase{What to capitalize in start case} resulting in What To Capitalize 
 In Start Case

\setuphead[title][style=\Words]
\starttext
\title{What to capitalize in start case}
\stoptext

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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request: Title Case/Start Case

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\setuphead[title][style=\Words]
\starttext
\title{What to capitalize in start case}
\stoptext
Thanks, yes, I've seen that, but I was just wondering if this can be done in a 
paragraph, outside a section element.

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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request: Title Case/Start Case

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 31.01.2011 um 10:21 schrieb Reviczky, Adam:

 \setuphead[title][style=\Words]
 \starttext
 \title{What to capitalize in start case}
 \stoptext
 Thanks, yes, I've seen that, but I was just wondering if this can be done in 
 a paragraph, outside a section element.


\definestartstop[TitleCase][style=\Words]
\starttext
\Words{What to capitalize in start case}\par
\TitleCase{What to capitalize in start case}\par
\startTitleCase What to capitalize in start case\stopTitleCase
\stoptext

Wolfgang

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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request: Title Case/Start Case

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\definestartstop[TitleCase][style=\Words]
\starttext
\Words{What to capitalize in start case}\par
\TitleCase{What to capitalize in start case}\par
\startTitleCase What to capitalize in start case\stopTitleCase
\stoptext
Excellent, thank you Wolfgang!

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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request: setuppapersize

[Hans Hagen]

On 22-1-2011 5:34, Aditya Mahajan wrote:

On Mon, 10 Jan 2011, Hans Hagen wrote:


more elegant and downward compatible is this:

\definepapersize
[samesized]
[ \c!width=\paperwidth,
\c!height=\paperheight]

\setuppapersize
[A4][samesized]

in page-lay.mkiv


Can this also be added to page-lay.mkii. Will make it much easier to
document the feature.


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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request: setuppapersize

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Mon, 10 Jan 2011, Hans Hagen wrote:


more elegant and downward compatible is this:

\definepapersize
 [samesized]
 [ \c!width=\paperwidth,
  \c!height=\paperheight]

\setuppapersize
 [A4][samesized]

in page-lay.mkiv


Can this also be added to page-lay.mkii. Will make it much easier to 
document the feature.


Thanks,
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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request: setuppapersize

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On 9-1-2011 12:45, Aditya Mahajan wrote:

Hans,

Since we have some leverage with backward compatibility in MkIV, can we
make \setuppapersize (slightly) more intuitive.

Normally, one would expect

\setuppapersize[A5]

to be equivalent to

\setuppapersize[A5][A5]

but currently it is equivalent to

\setuppapersize[A5][A4]

This is a bit confusing, and means that we always have to specify the
printpaper size; even if it is equal to paper size. Can we modify the
definition of \dodefinepapersize to change this behavior?

\def\dodefinepapersize[#1][#2][#3]%
{\ifsecondargument
\doifsomething{#1} % to be sure
{\doifassignmentelse{#2}
{\getparameters
[\??pp#1] % geen \c!scale, scheelt hash ruimte
[\c!width=\@@ppwidth,\c!height=\@@ppheight,\c!offset=\@@ppoffset,#2]%
%AM: Added these two lines
\setvalue{\??pp:1:#1}{#1}%
\setvalue{\??pp:2:#1}{#1}}%
{\setvalue{\??pp:1:#1}{#2}%
\setvalue{\??pp:2:#1}{#3}}}% (*) see below
\else
\getparameters[\??pp][#1]%
\setuppapersize % hm. this will freeze !
\fi}

Perhaps, in line (*), we should also check if #3 is something, otherwise
set ??p:2:#1 to #2:

\doifsomethingelse{#3}
{\setvalue\??pp:2:#1}{#3}}
{\setvalue\??pp:2:#1}{#2}}


What do you think?


more elegant and downward compatible is this:

\definepapersize
  [samesized]
  [ \c!width=\paperwidth,
   \c!height=\paperheight]

\setuppapersize
  [A4][samesized]

in page-lay.mkiv

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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request: setuppapersize

[Peter Münster]

Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl writes:

 What do you think?

 \setuppapersize
   [A4][samesized]

Not really an improvement over \setuppapersize[A4][A4] ...

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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request: setuppapersize

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On 10-1-2011 3:04, Peter Münster wrote:

Hans Hagenpra...@wxs.nl  writes:


What do you think?


\setuppapersize
   [A4][samesized]


Not really an improvement over \setuppapersize[A4][A4] ...


why not?


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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request: setuppapersize

[Peter Münster]

Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl writes:

 On 10-1-2011 3:04, Peter Münster wrote:
 Hans Hagenpra...@wxs.nl  writes:

 What do you think?

 \setuppapersize
[A4][samesized]

 Not really an improvement over \setuppapersize[A4][A4] ...

 why not?

Just my personal opinion: more keystrokes to type and more options to
remember.
I prefer Aditya's original idea.
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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request: setuppapersize

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On 10-1-2011 4:20, Peter Münster wrote:

Hans Hagenpra...@wxs.nl  writes:


On 10-1-2011 3:04, Peter Münster wrote:

Hans Hagenpra...@wxs.nl   writes:


What do you think?


\setuppapersize
[A4][samesized]


Not really an improvement over \setuppapersize[A4][A4] ...


why not?


Just my personal opinion: more keystrokes to type and more options to
remember.


i guess you didn't try it as suggested ... when set up this way the 
second argument defaults to samesize unless set otherwise


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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request: setuppapersize

[Peter Münster]

Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl writes:

 \setuppapersize
 [A4][samesized]

 Not really an improvement over \setuppapersize[A4][A4] ...

 i guess you didn't try it as suggested ... when set up this way the second
 argument defaults to samesize unless set otherwise

Right! I thought the \setuppapersize[][samesized] was for the user-document...
But in page-lay.mkiv it makes much more sense!
Excuse me, Peter

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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request: setuppapersize

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On Mon, 10 Jan 2011, Hans Hagen wrote:


more elegant and downward compatible is this:

\definepapersize
 [samesized]
 [ \c!width=\paperwidth,
  \c!height=\paperheight]

\setuppapersize
 [A4][samesized]

in page-lay.mkiv


Indeed. This will also work fine.

Thanks,
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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request: 4SIDE

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

2008/11/16 Willi Egger [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 one could make this definition. If I understand it correctly though,
 then the 4SIDE would mean 4 pages on one sheet op paper, single sided

 1 - 2
 3 - 4

 This is easily accomplished with \setuparranging[XY] and \setuppaper
 [nx=2,ny=2]

I guess it should be more of
1-2-3-4

as 3SIDE (you wrote that for me, remember?) is
1-2-3

But even that should be possible with XY...

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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request: 4SIDE

[Willi Egger]

Hi,

one could make this definition. If I understand it correctly though,  
then the 4SIDE would mean 4 pages on one sheet op paper, single sided

1 - 2
3 - 4

This is easily accomplished with \setuparranging[XY] and \setuppaper 
[nx=2,ny=2]

Willi


On Nov 14, 2008, at 9:34 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:

 Marcin Borkowski wrote:
 Hi all,

 it seems that we have a feature request flood;) so I'm putting my
 $3*10^{-2}.

 I'd need 4SIDE (analogous to 2SIDE).  How to obtain it?  Could it be
 added to page-imp.tex?

 sure, but it's up to you and the imposition wizzard Willi to make the
 right definition

 Hans


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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request: 4SIDE

[Hans Hagen]

Marcin Borkowski wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 it seems that we have a feature request flood;) so I'm putting my
 $3*10^{-2}.
 
 I'd need 4SIDE (analogous to 2SIDE).  How to obtain it?  Could it be
 added to page-imp.tex?

sure, but it's up to you and the imposition wizzard Willi to make the 
right definition

Hans


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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request: indent parameter for delimitedtexts

[Hans Hagen]

Aditya Mahajan wrote:
 On Thu, 13 Nov 2008, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
 
 Hi Hans,

 is it possible to add a indent key to delimitedtexts, I use in
 one own my documents the following setup

 \setupdelimitedtext
   [blockquote]
   [spacebefore=line,
before={\setupindenting[next]}]

 but it makes more sense to have a built-in option to control
 the indenting of longer quotes.
 
 I second this.
 
 Being lazy, I have been sprinkling \noindentation in my texts.
 Actually, it will be nice to have this for start-stop narrower also.

remind me once we have split core-mis in mkii/mkiv

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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request: 4SIDE

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 14.11.2008 um 01:44 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:


 Am 14.11.2008 um 01:09 schrieb Marcin Borkowski:

 Hi all,

 it seems that we have a feature request flood;) so I'm putting my
 $3*10^{-2}.

 I'd need 4SIDE (analogous to 2SIDE).  How to obtain it?  Could it be
 added to page-imp.tex?


 I reused my old code to write a new flexible XSIDE style,
 you could use it 2SIDE, 2SIDE, 4SIDE ...

 http://wiki.contextgarden.net/User:Wolfgang_Schuster#Arranging_pages


You could also use the predefined 'xy' arranging.

http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Imposition

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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request: linespacing in (foot)notes

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Fri, 14 Nov 2008, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

 Hi,

 I try to change the linedistance in my footnotes but this
 is a pain with the current interface, I slightly modified
 the \setnotebodyfont macro and hope this could also be
 done in core-not.

You can also exploit the before key for this.

http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20070314.020258.3501cc05.en.html


 \def\setnotebodyfont
   {\let\setnotebodyfont\relax
\restoreglobalbodyfont
\switchtobodyfont[\noteparameter\c!bodyfont]%
\setuptolerance[\noteparameter\c!tolerance]%
\setupalign[\noteparameter\c!align]%
\noteparameter\c!commands} % - new

I would suggest using setups key rather than commands. In fact, I wish all 
commands had a setup=... key. Tweaking the before key is not always 
convinient.

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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request: linespacing in (foot)notes

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 14.11.2008 um 17:07 schrieb Aditya Mahajan:

 On Fri, 14 Nov 2008, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

 Hi,

 I try to change the linedistance in my footnotes but this
 is a pain with the current interface, I slightly modified
 the \setnotebodyfont macro and hope this could also be
 done in core-not.

 You can also exploit the before key for this.

 http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20070314.020258.3501cc05.en.html

I already tried the before key but it comes to early and
\restoreglobalbodyfont cancels the setting.

I tried also \setupbodyfontenvironment but I don't want
this because I could have also normal running text in
the same size as the footnote but the linedistance need
to be bigger.

 \def\setnotebodyfont
  {\let\setnotebodyfont\relax
   \restoreglobalbodyfont
   \switchtobodyfont[\noteparameter\c!bodyfont]%
   \setuptolerance[\noteparameter\c!tolerance]%
   \setupalign[\noteparameter\c!align]%
   \noteparameter\c!commands} % - new

 I would suggest using setups key rather than commands. In fact, I  
 wish all
 commands had a setup=... key. Tweaking the before key is not always
 convinient.

I don't care if the key is commands, setups, inbetween ...
as long as it possible to change the linedistance I'm happy
but something need to be done and I mean now and not in
a few months/years, we live long enough with this restriction.

Wolfgang

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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request: indent parameter for delimitedtexts

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 14.11.2008 um 00:28 schrieb Aditya Mahajan:

 On Thu, 13 Nov 2008, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

 Hi Hans,

 is it possible to add a indent key to delimitedtexts, I use in
 one own my documents the following setup

 \setupdelimitedtext
  [blockquote]
  [spacebefore=line,
   before={\setupindenting[next]}]

 but it makes more sense to have a built-in option to control
 the indenting of longer quotes.

 I second this.

 Being lazy, I have been sprinkling \noindentation in my texts.
 Actually, it will be nice to have this for start-stop narrower also.

Only if we get also a \definenarrower, the default narrower could
then be defined as a predefined environment like \startframedtext.

Wolfgang

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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request: 4SIDE

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 14.11.2008 um 01:09 schrieb Marcin Borkowski:

 Hi all,

 it seems that we have a feature request flood;) so I'm putting my
 $3*10^{-2}.

 I'd need 4SIDE (analogous to 2SIDE).  How to obtain it?  Could it be
 added to page-imp.tex?


I reused my old code to write a new flexible XSIDE style,
you could use it 2SIDE, 2SIDE, 4SIDE ...

http://wiki.contextgarden.net/User:Wolfgang_Schuster#Arranging_pages

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Re: [NTG-context] Feature Request: \startitemize[text]

[Wolfgang Schuster]

On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 7:01 PM, Aditya Mahajan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Wolfgang,

 On Fri, 17 Oct 2008, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

 On Sun, Jan 13, 2008 at 11:41 PM, Aditya Mahajan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Hans,

 I have always found the space at the beginning of each item in
 \startitemize[text] to be too large. Currently, this is hard coded to be
 \emwidth plus \intertwordstretch minus \interwordshrink (line 1132 of
 core-itm.tex with the comment new per 2006/10/20). I always end of
 copying the definition of complexdoitemgroupitem to my private modules and
 changing the emwidth in the definition to 0.5\emwidth. Can you please keep
 this key to be configurable with a key (textinbetween)?

 BTW, any particular reason not to simply say
 \removeunwantedspaces\space\ignorespaces instead of
 \removeunwantedspaces\hskip\emwidth\!!plus\interwordstretch\!!minus\interwordshrink\relax
 \stopitemgroup uses just the first variant.

 Thanks,
 Aditya

 Hi Aditya,

 what do you about the following solution, the space between each
 item is configurable with the space key, the fourth parameter
 \dostartitemgroup gobbles we get from \startitemize if we use two
 parameters.

 Thank you for looking into this old request. This does exactly what I
 want. I just have one comment regarding the default. Maybe, for
 consistency, the space key should behave as in \setupinterlinespace

 space=none|small|medium|big|dimension

\processaction
  [\getitemparameter\currentitemlevel\c!space]
  [   \v!none=\let\textitemdistance\zeropoint,
   
\s!unknown=\assignvalue\commalistelement\textitemdistance{.5\interwordspace\!!plus.5\emwidth}{\interwordspace\!!plus\emwidth}{\emwidth\!!plus\interwordstretch\!!minus\interwordshrink}]%
\removeunwantedspaces\hskip\textitemdistance\relax

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Re: [NTG-context] Feature Request: \startitemize[text]

[Hans Hagen]

Aditya Mahajan wrote:

 Hans, can this be included in the core?

later, i'd rather not touch code now while i'm in the middle some major 
mkiv core code rework which will take a couple of weeks

so, fro the moment, just collect extension code

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Re: [NTG-context] Feature Request: \startitemize[text]

[Aditya Mahajan]

Hi Wolfgang,

On Fri, 17 Oct 2008, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

 On Sun, Jan 13, 2008 at 11:41 PM, Aditya Mahajan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Hans,

 I have always found the space at the beginning of each item in
 \startitemize[text] to be too large. Currently, this is hard coded to be
 \emwidth plus \intertwordstretch minus \interwordshrink (line 1132 of
 core-itm.tex with the comment new per 2006/10/20). I always end of
 copying the definition of complexdoitemgroupitem to my private modules and
 changing the emwidth in the definition to 0.5\emwidth. Can you please keep
 this key to be configurable with a key (textinbetween)?

 BTW, any particular reason not to simply say
 \removeunwantedspaces\space\ignorespaces instead of
 \removeunwantedspaces\hskip\emwidth\!!plus\interwordstretch\!!minus\interwordshrink\relax
 \stopitemgroup uses just the first variant.

 Thanks,
 Aditya

 Hi Aditya,

 what do you about the following solution, the space between each
 item is configurable with the space key, the fourth parameter
 \dostartitemgroup gobbles we get from \startitemize if we use two
 parameters.

Thank you for looking into this old request. This does exactly what I 
want. I just have one comment regarding the default. Maybe, for 
consistency, the space key should behave as in \setupinterlinespace

space=none|small|medium|big|dimension

Other than this, it is perfect. Thanks a lot.

Hans, can this be included in the core?

Thanks,
Aditya



 \unprotect

 \def\complexdoitemgroupitem[#1]%
  {\ifconditional\textlistitem
 % begin of item
   \else
 \par
   \fi
 %\ignorespaces
   \ifconditional\concatnextitem % new, concat
 \doitembreak\nobreak% new, concat
   \fi   % new, concat
   \doadvanceitem
   \ifcase\itemcolumndepth \ifnum\noflistelements0\relax
 % wrong, but why was this here in the first place, probably some
 % mistaken change when cleaning up: \doitembreak\nobreak
   \fi\fi
   \ifconditional\firstlistitem
 \setfalse\firstlistitem
 \begingroup
 \ifcase\currentitemlevel
 \or % 1
   \ifcase\itemcolumndepth
 \ifconditional\introlistitem\doitembreak\nobreak\fi
 \itembeforecommand % \getitemparameter\currentitemlevel\c!before
 \ifconditional\introlistitem\doitembreak\nobreak\fi
   \fi
 \else % 2 en hoger
   \ifconditional\paragraphlistitem \else
 \let\previtemlevel\currentitemlevel
 \decrement\previtemlevel
 \ifcase\autoitemgroupspacing\relax % nieuw
   \itembeforecommand
 \or
\doifelsenothing{\itembeforecommand}
  {\itembeforecommand}
  {\getitemparameter\previtemlevel\c!inbetween}%
 \else
   \getitemparameter\previtemlevel\c!inbetween % == itemlevel-1
 \fi
   \fi
 \fi
   \else
 \ifconditional\textlistitem % was bugged: \inlinelistitem
 \removeunwantedspaces
 % \removeunwantedspaces\hskip\interwordspace\!!plus\emwidth\relax
 % new per 2006/10/20
 %
 \removeunwantedspaces\hskip\emwidth\!!plus\interwordstretch\!!minus\interwordshrink\relax
 % new per 2006/10/20
 % begin wolf
 \doifsomethingelse{\getitemparameter\currentitemlevel\c!space}
  {\hskip\getitemparameter\currentitemlevel\c!space\relax}
  {\hskip\emwidth\!!plus\interwordstretch\!!minus\interwordshrink\relax}%
 % end wolf
 \else
 \iteminbetweencommand
 \fi
   \fi
   \ifconditional\concatnextitem % new, concat
 \vskip-\lastskip% new, concat
 \vskip-\lineheight  % new, concat
 \nobreak% new, concat
   \fi   % new, concat
 %\ignorespaces
   \dolistitem
   \relax
   \ifconditional\packlistitem
 \setupwhitespace[\v!none]%
   \fi
   \getitemparameter\currentitemlevel\c!inner
   \marsymbol
   \let\marsymbol\relax
   \doifsomething{#1}
 {\doifnot\itemreference\unknownitemreference
{\bgroup
 \protectconversion
 \rawreference\s!lst{#1}\itemreference
 \egroup}}%
   \strut % added 11-08-99
   \setfalse\concatnextitem % new, concat
   \nobreak % else problems with intext items
   \hskip\itemsignal% new, concat
   \getitemparameter\currentitemlevel\c!command} % \defaultitemcommand

 \def\startitemgroup
  {\doquadrupleempty\dostartitemgroup}

 \def\dostartitemgroup[#1][#2][#3][]%
  {\bgroup
   \ifnum\currentitemlevel=\zerocount
 \def\currentitemgroup{#1}% no nested mixing of itemgroups
   \fi
   \ifthirdargument
 \dodostartitemgroup[#2][#3]%
   \else
 \doifassignmentelse{#2}
   {\dodostartitemgroup[][#2]}
   {\dodostartitemgroup[#2][]}%
   \fi}

 \setupitemgroups
  [\c!space=]

 \protect

 \showframe

 \starttext

 before
 \startitemize[text][space=\interwordspace]
 \item text
 \item text
 \item text
 \stopitemize
 after

 \stoptext

 Wolfgang
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