subject:"\[ob\] soros"

Kalau dalam konteks bei saya malah melihat ini bear rally, alasannya
rate kenaikannya terlalu cepat. Kalau bull rally biasanya awalnya
lambat dan makin cepat dekat2 akhir rally.


On 4/7/09, er1ck er1...@gmail.com wrote:
 kalo saya mah mbah, tektok ajah...jd copet all day long ha3x, sebodo
 amat mau market ngebull, ngebill, ngeboll, bentukan asik hajar bleh,
 bentukan distribusi ikut juwalan, bntukan trun ya nonton ..jalan2x.. he3x

 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant 
 jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote:

   Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

 Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:

 http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2ys=%5EJKSEl=offz=lq=lc=c=%5EDJI

 - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
 - DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)

 El, What do you think ?.

 Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
 rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.





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Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

2009-04-07 Terurut Topik Eddie Lieferdian Hasan

Beware thd issue bear rally karna penyebar issue gak keburu belanja





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From: Vernichtung gambler@gmail.com

Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 20:35:58 
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


Kalau dalam konteks bei saya malah melihat ini bear rally, alasannya
rate kenaikannya terlalu cepat. Kalau bull rally biasanya awalnya
lambat dan makin cepat dekat2 akhir rally.


On 4/7/09, er1ck er1...@gmail.com wrote:
 kalo saya mah mbah, tektok ajah...jd copet all day long ha3x, sebodo
 amat mau market ngebull, ngebill, ngeboll, bentukan asik hajar bleh,
 bentukan distribusi ikut juwalan, bntukan trun ya nonton ..jalan2x.. he3x

 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant 
 jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote:

   Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

 Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:

 http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2ys=%5EJKSEl=offz=lq=lc=c=%5EDJI

 - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
 - DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)

 El, What do you think ?.

 Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
 rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.





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Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

*

In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and
then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You
can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And
[in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies
of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country,
effectively you have colonized that country. - DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMMAD
(July 2nd, 2001)

I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the US
with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US
future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan,
with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)

Elaine*


On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant 
jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote:

 Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


 Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:

 http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2ys=%5EJKSEl=offz=lq=lc=c=%5EDJI

 - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
 - DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)

 El, What do you think ?.

 Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
 rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.









 

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2009-04-07 Terurut Topik jko``

That makes lots of sense.. Are u really 25 yrs old?

 *
 In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and
 then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You
 can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And
 [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies
 of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country,
 effectively you have colonized that country. - DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMMAD
 (July 2nd, 2001)

 I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the US
 with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US
 future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan,
 with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)

 Elaine*


 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant 
 jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote:

 Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


 Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:

 http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2ys=%5EJKSEl=offz=lq=lc=c=%5EDJI

 - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
 - DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)

 El, What do you think ?.

 Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
 rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.









 

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Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

2009-04-07 Terurut Topik Yuta Tiziano

If I can summarize:

1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end of this 
year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary those 
countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China economy 
bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources as SEA-China 
trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic viewpoint 
4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences from 
Asia

That's how the recovery will work, right?

Rgds,
Yuta 

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From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com

Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


*

In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and
then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You
can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And
[in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies
of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country,
effectively you have colonized that country. - DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMMAD
(July 2nd, 2001)

I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the US
with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US
future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan,
with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)

Elaine*


On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant 
jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote:

 Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


 Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:

 http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2ys=%5EJKSEl=offz=lq=lc=c=%5EDJI

 - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
 - DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)

 El, What do you think ?.

 Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
 rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.









 

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Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread to
US  Europe...

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano yuta.tizi...@gmail.comwrote:

   If I can summarize:

 1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end of
 this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
 2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary
 those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
 3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
 economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources as
 SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic
 viewpoint
 4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences
 from Asia

 That's how the recovery will work, right?

 Rgds,
 Yuta

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 *From*: Elaine Sui
 *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
 *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

 *

 In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and
 then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You
 can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And
 [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies
 of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country,
 effectively you have colonized that country. - DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMMAD
 (July 2nd, 2001)

 I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the US
 with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US
 future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan,
 with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)

 Elaine*


 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant 
 jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote:

 Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


 Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:

 http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2ys=%5EJKSEl=offz=lq=lc=c=%5EDJI

 - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
 - DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)

 El, What do you think ?.

 Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
 rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.









 

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2009-04-07 Terurut Topik FromBuitenzorg

Kayaknya gak perlu khawatir ... tampaknya IHSG bisa melawan arus, DJI merah, 
kita IJO, ASIA sebagian merah kita masih bisa IJO ,,, DJI bakal ikut ASIA pada 
akhirnya, bukan sebaliknya :)

Rgrds



Eddie Lieferdian Hasan ed...@... wrote:

 Beware thd issue bear rally karna penyebar issue gak keburu belanja
 
 
 
 
 
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 -Original Message-
 From: Vernichtung gambler@...
 
 Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 20:35:58 
 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
 
 
 Kalau dalam konteks bei saya malah melihat ini bear rally, alasannya
 rate kenaikannya terlalu cepat. Kalau bull rally biasanya awalnya
 lambat dan makin cepat dekat2 akhir rally.
 
 
 On 4/7/09, er1ck er1...@... wrote:
  kalo saya mah mbah, tektok ajah...jd copet all day long ha3x, sebodo
  amat mau market ngebull, ngebill, ngeboll, bentukan asik hajar bleh,
  bentukan distribusi ikut juwalan, bntukan trun ya nonton ..jalan2x.. he3x
 
  On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant 
  jsx-consult...@... wrote:
 
Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
 
  Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:
 
  http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2ys=%5EJKSEl=offz=lq=lc=c=%5EDJI
 
  - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
  - DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)
 
  El, What do you think ?.
 
  Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
  rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

2009-04-07 Terurut Topik Thomas Frederick

apapun yg dibilang soros yang penting besok yang ditunggu tunggu IJO...



ThomaS FredericK--- On Tue, 4/7/09, Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Rei highwaysta...@gmail.comSubject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLYTo: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comDate: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 10:54 AM


So the recoverywould be led/startedin Asia and would eventually spread to US  Europe...
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano yuta.tiziano@ gmail.com wrote:





If I can summarize:1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources as SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic viewpoint 4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences from AsiaThat's how the recovery will work, right?Rgds,Yuta 
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From: Elaine Sui Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. comSubject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
"In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country, effectively you have colonized that country." - DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001)I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the US with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan, with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)Elaine
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ centrin.net. id wrote:
Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLYTapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:http://finance. yahoo.com/ q/bc?t=2ys=%5EJKSEl=offz=lq=lc=c=%5EDJI- IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)- DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)El, What do you think ?.Will Indonesia, China and India market have different marketrally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?. - - --+ ++ + + + +Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapuskecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas.+ + + + ++
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*No, I'm a 1,000,000 yrs old caveman...lolz

Elaine**
*
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:30 PM, jko`` manusiabaha...@gmail.com wrote:

  That makes lots of sense.. Are u really 25 yrs old?

  *
 In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and
 then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You
 can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And
 [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies
 of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country,
 effectively you have colonized that country. - DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMMAD
 (July 2nd, 2001)

 I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the US
 with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US
 future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan,
 with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)

 Elaine*


 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant 
 jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote:

 Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


 Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:

 http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2ys=%5EJKSEl=offz=lq=lc=c=%5EDJI

 - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
 - DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)

 El, What do you think ?.

 Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
 rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.









 

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 nevertheless, an expert with a stone can not beat 100 novices with 100
 shurikens...

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

*That's right!

Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to us.

I have an interesting article, please read it.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html

Elaine*

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com wrote:

So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread
to US Europe...

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano yuta.tizi...@gmail.comwrote:

If I can summarize:

1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end of
this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary
those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources as
SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic
viewpoint
4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences
from Asia

That's how the recovery will work, right?

Rgds,
Yuta

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*From*: Elaine Sui
*Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
*To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
*Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and
then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You
can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And
[in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies
of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country,
effectively you have colonized that country. - DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMMAD
(July 2nd, 2001)

I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the US
with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US
future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan,
with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)

Elaine*

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant
jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote:

Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2ys=%5EJKSEl=offz=lq=lc=c=%5EDJI

- IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
- DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)

El, What do you think ?.

Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.

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2009-04-07 Terurut Topik ::Pak_AA::

O YEAH
I LIKE IT

2009/4/7 FromBuitenzorg frombuitenz...@yahoo.com

 Oh ya, kalo menurut ane sih bukan bear rally,..tapi sideway rally..jalannya
 gerenjul, kadang naik kadang turun tapi jatuhnya tetap mendatar aja, cuma
 kadang ada lubang dan anda tanjakan kecil

 Rgrds


 FromBuitenzorg frombuitenz...@... wrote:
 
  Kalo George Soros itu manusia bukan ya ? Kalo dia masih manusia kayaknya,
 ...apa yg dia sampekan bisa aja meleset .. hehehe... :p
 
 
  Rgrds
 
 
 
  y_dizz y_dizz@ wrote:
  
   Hihihi, orang Yahudi kok dipercaya sih? Sudah cukup lah satu orang
 Bernie.
  
   Btw, Pak Halim kayaknya gatel banget nih pengin ngeshort? Pasti PGAS
 yang pertama kali diincer, hehehe...
  
   Regards,
   Yudizz
  
  
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 wrote:
   
Kalau mau jeli sih..
Emerging market dan asian market..rata-rata low maret  low october.
   
Europe market dan US market low maret  low october
   
soros sih gak salah bilang masih BEAR Market rally... sorros kan main
 di US
   
Indo.. no comment.. too much noise...tunggu short sell diperbolehkan
 baru
market sebenarnya nampak
   
   
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant 
jsx-consultant@ wrote:
   
   Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

 Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:


 http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2ys=%5EJKSEl=offz=lq=lc=c=%5EDJI

 - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
 - DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)

 El, What do you think ?.

 Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
 rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

2009-04-07 Terurut Topik paramanandana


Atau dia keburu belanja, tp sdh lepas lg, gak nyangka kalo bull 
beneranhahaaa



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Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 14:44:41 
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Beware thd issue bear rally karna penyebar issue gak keburu belanja





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-Original Message-
From: Vernichtung gambler@gmail.com

Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 20:35:58 
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


Kalau dalam konteks bei saya malah melihat ini bear rally, alasannya
rate kenaikannya terlalu cepat. Kalau bull rally biasanya awalnya
lambat dan makin cepat dekat2 akhir rally.


On 4/7/09, er1ck er1...@gmail.com wrote:
 kalo saya mah mbah, tektok ajah...jd copet all day long ha3x, sebodo
 amat mau market ngebull, ngebill, ngeboll, bentukan asik hajar bleh,
 bentukan distribusi ikut juwalan, bntukan trun ya nonton ..jalan2x.. he3x

 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant 
 jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote:

   Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

 Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:

 http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2ys=%5EJKSEl=offz=lq=lc=c=%5EDJI

 - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
 - DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)

 El, What do you think ?.

 Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
 rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.





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Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

2009-04-07 Terurut Topik Cumi Cabe Ijo

USA stands for Useless States of America, my fellow British once said.

I don't know what UK stands for.

All I see now is a shift in world dominance from Atlantic to Pacific.

On 4/7/09, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com wrote:
That's right!

Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to us.

I have an interesting article, please read it.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html

Elaine

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com wrote:

So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread
to US Europe...

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano yuta.tizi...@gmail.com
wrote:

If I can summarize:

1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end
of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary
those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources
as SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and
traffic viewpoint
4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences
from Asia

That's how the recovery will work, right?

Rgds,
Yuta

From: Elaine Sui
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and
then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You
can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help.
And [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the
policies of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a
country, effectively you have colonized that country. - DR. MAHATHIR BIN
MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001)

I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the
US with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the
US future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding
Japan, with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)

Elaine

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant
jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote:

Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2ys=%5EJKSEl=offz=lq=lc=c=%5EDJI

- IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
- DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)

El, What do you think ?.

Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.

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2009-04-07 Terurut Topik ::Pak_AA::

Love you more and more dear. So funny

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com wrote:

*That's right!

Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to
us.

I have an interesting article, please read it.

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html

Elaine*

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com wrote:

So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread
to US Europe...

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano yuta.tizi...@gmail.comwrote:

If I can summarize:

1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end
of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary
those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources as
SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic
viewpoint
4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences
from Asia

That's how the recovery will work, right?

Rgds,
Yuta

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*From*: Elaine Sui
*Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
*To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
*Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and
then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You
can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And
[in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies
of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country,
effectively you have colonized that country. - DR. MAHATHIR BIN
MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001)

I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the
US with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US
future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan,
with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)

Elaine*

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant
jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote:

Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2ys=%5EJKSEl=offz=lq=lc=c=%5EDJI

- IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
- DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)

El, What do you think ?.

Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.

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Intinya soros mau pindah porto ke asia gitu aja ahhhngomong2 FC Porto vs MU 2 : 2Dario Amran--- Pada Rab, 8/4/09, Cumi Cabe Ijo cumie...@gmail.com menulis:Dari: Cumi Cabe Ijo cumie...@gmail.comTopik: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLYKepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comTanggal: Rabu, 8 April, 2009, 12:35 AM

USA stands for Useless States of America, my fellow British once said.

I don't know what UK stands for.

All I see now is a shift in world dominance from Atlantic to Pacific.

On 4/7/09, Elaine Sui elainesui83@ gmail.com wrote:
That's right!

Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to us.

I have an interesting article, please read it.
http://www.thejakar tapost.com/ news/2009/ 03/25/asean- ink-investment- pacts-with- china-korea. html

Elaine

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei highwaystar91@ gmail.com wrote:

So the recoverywould be led/startedin Asia and would eventually spread
to US Europe...

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano yuta.tiziano@ gmail.com
wrote:

If I can summarize:

1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end
of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary
those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources
as SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and
traffic viewpoint
4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences
from Asia

That's how the recovery will work, right?

Rgds,
Yuta

_ _ __
From: Elaine Sui
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

"In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and
then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You
can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help.
And [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the
policies of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a
country, effectively you have colonized that country." - DR. MAHATHIR BIN
MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001)

I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the
US with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the
US future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding
Japan, with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)

Elaine

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant
jsx-consultant@ centrin.net. id wrote:

Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:

http://finance. yahoo.com/ q/bc?t=2ys=%5EJKSEl=offz=lq=lc=c=%5EDJI

- IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
- DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)

El, What do you think ?.

Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.

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Bls: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

lagi dibahas di cnbc...temanya  Debate Decoulping Economy intinya asia memang 
tahan krisis dikomporin china, india dan diakui world bank...padahal ini crash 
terbesar ekonomi sepanjang sejarah...

btw, bumi gimana nih berani naik pas lagi merah? apa tunggu abis contreng aja ??

Dario Amran

--- Pada Sel, 7/4/09, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id menulis:

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Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
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Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY



Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:



http://finance. yahoo.com/ q/bc?t=2y s=%5EJKSE l=offz=l q=lc=c= %5EDJI



- IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)

- DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)



El, What do you think ?. 



Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market 

rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.




 

  




 

















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2009-04-07 Terurut Topik Halim Perdana

Santai aja boss..ambil nafas sebentar buat berfikir

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Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2009 9:44:41 PM
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

Beware thd issue bear rally karna penyebar issue gak keburu belanja

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From:  Vernichtung 
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 20:35:58 +0700
To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

Kalau dalam konteks bei saya malah melihat ini bear rally, alasannya
rate kenaikannya terlalu cepat. Kalau bull rally biasanya awalnya
lambat dan makin cepat dekat2 akhir rally.

On 4/7/09, er1ck er1...@gmail. com wrote:
 kalo saya mah mbah, tektok ajah...jd copet all day long ha3x, sebodo
 amat mau market ngebull, ngebill, ngeboll, bentukan asik hajar bleh,
 bentukan distribusi ikut juwalan, bntukan trun ya nonton ..jalan2x.. he3x

 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant 
 jsx-consultant@ centrin.net. id wrote:

   Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

 Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:

 http://finance. yahoo.com/ q/bc?t=2y s=%5EJKSE l=offz=l q=lc=c= %5EDJI

 - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
 - DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)

 El, What do you think ?.

 Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
 rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.

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2009-04-07 Terurut Topik Berrack Obama

tante ellen forgot 1 thing :Indonesia is the biggest producer of submarines (kapal selam) in the worldhahahahalol, u r so funny yet so sexy, tante ellen perez--- On Tue, 4/7/09, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com wrote:From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.comSubject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLYTo: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comDate: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 4:12 PM







That's right!Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field, tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea has the best drama TV series.. 
Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to us.I have an interesting article, please read it.http://www.thejakar tapost.com/ news/2009/ 03/25/asean- ink-investment- pacts-with- china-korea. html
ElaineOn Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei highwaystar91@ gmail.com wrote:














So the recoverywould be led/startedin Asia and would eventually spread to US  Europe...
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano yuta.tiziano@ gmail.com wrote:





If I can summarize:1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia


3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources as SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic viewpoint 


4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences from AsiaThat's how the recovery will work, right?Rgds,Yuta 
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"In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country, effectively you have colonized that country." - DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001)


I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the US with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan, with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)


Elaine
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ centrin.net. id wrote:
Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLYTapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:http://finance. yahoo.com/ q/bc?t=2ys=%5EJKSEl=offz=lq=lc=c=%5EDJI


- IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)- DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)El, What do you think ?.Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market


rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?. - - --+ ++ + + + +Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus


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2009-04-07 Terurut Topik Januar

El,..bukannya kita masih butuh tempat jualan itu semua?
ya jual senjata, jual film, jual mobil, jual minyak, dkk.
bukankah tempat jualannya di eropa ama us?

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From: Elaine Sui
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:12 PM
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

That's right!

Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any product,
from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot create cheap
labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and technology students in
the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field, tin and coal mines. Japan
has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea has the best drama TV
series..

Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to us.

I have an interesting article, please read it.

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html

Elaine

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com wrote:

So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread to
US Europe...

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano yuta.tizi...@gmail.com
wrote:

If I can summarize:

1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end
of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary
those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources as
SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic
viewpoint
4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences
from Asia

That's how the recovery will work, right?

Rgds,
Yuta

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From: Elaine Sui
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and
then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You can
destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And [in
exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies of the
country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country, effectively
you have colonized that country. - DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001)

I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the
US with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US
future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan,
with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)

Elaine

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant
jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote:

Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2ys=%5EJKSEl=offz=lq=lc=c=%5EDJI

- IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
- DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)

El, What do you think ?.

Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.

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2009-04-07 Terurut Topik gangway





Agree 100%
Yet we still live with american and European standards,
Such as DIN, ASTM, DJI, ICAO, FAA, holywood, american idol,   etc etc etc

Even the Japanese still copying american standard for their industries

Its the living struggle that keeps the world turning

A3K




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[mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Elaine Sui
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:12 PM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

That's right!

Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any
product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US
cannot create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic
and technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil
field, tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology
and Korea has the best drama TV series..

Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to us.

I have an interesting article, please read it.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html

Elaine
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com wrote:
So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread
to US  Europe...

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano yuta.tizi...@gmail.com wrote:
If I can summarize:

1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end of
this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary
those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources
as SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and
traffic viewpoint
4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences
from Asia

That's how the recovery will work, right?

Rgds,
Yuta
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From: Elaine Sui
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and
then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You
can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help.
And [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the
policies of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a
country, effectively you have colonized that country. - DR. MAHATHIR BIN
MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001)

I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the US
with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US
future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding
Japan, with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)

Elaine

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant
jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote:
Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2ys=%5EJKSEl=offz=lq=lc=c=%5EDJI

- IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
- DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)

El, What do you think ?.

Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

Yea..yea..yea..., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's gonna 
consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.

Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do...,  I love their movie, music, junk 
food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc..., point is, look around you, 
see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is too arogan 
to say we don't need them..., lolz..


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-Original Message-
From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com

Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


*That's right!

Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any
product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot
create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and
technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field,
tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea
has the best drama TV series.. [?]

Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to us.

I have an interesting article, please read it.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html

Elaine*

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com wrote:

  So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread
 to US  Europe...


 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano yuta.tizi...@gmail.comwrote:

   If I can summarize:

 1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end of
 this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
 2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary
 those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
 3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
 economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources as
 SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic
 viewpoint
 4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences
 from Asia

 That's how the recovery will work, right?

 Rgds,
 Yuta

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 *From*: Elaine Sui
 *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
 *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

 *

 In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and
 then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You
 can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And
 [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies
 of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country,
 effectively you have colonized that country. - DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMMAD
 (July 2nd, 2001)

 I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the US
 with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US
 future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan,
 with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)

 Elaine*


 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant 
 jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote:

 Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


 Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:

 http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2ys=%5EJKSEl=offz=lq=lc=c=%5EDJI

 - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
 - DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)

 El, What do you think ?.

 Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
 rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.









 

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Aaah..., not to mention Facebook...LOLz..

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From: JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com

Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 01:17:36 
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

Yea..yea..yea..., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's gonna 
consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.

Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do...,  I love their movie, music, junk 
food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc..., point is, look around you, 
see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is too arogan 
to say we don't need them..., lolz..

Sent from my BullBerry® smartphone

-Original Message-
From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com

Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

*That's right!

Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any
product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot
create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and
technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field,
tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea
has the best drama TV series.. [?]

Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to us.

I have an interesting article, please read it.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html

Elaine*

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com wrote:

  So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread
 to US  Europe...

 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano yuta.tizi...@gmail.comwrote:

   If I can summarize:

 1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end of
 this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
 2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary
 those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
 3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
 economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources as
 SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic
 viewpoint
 4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences
 from Asia

 That's how the recovery will work, right?

 Rgds,
 Yuta

 Powered by my VerryBerry®

 --
 *From*: Elaine Sui
 *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
 *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

 *

 In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and
 then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You
 can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And
 [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies
 of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country,
 effectively you have colonized that country. - DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMMAD
 (July 2nd, 2001)

 I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the US
 with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US
 future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan,
 with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)

 Elaine*

 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant 
 jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote:

 Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

 Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:

 http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2ys=%5EJKSEl=offz=lq=lc=c=%5EDJI

 - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
 - DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)

 El, What do you think ?.

 Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
 rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.

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Dear Elaine you are 50-60 years too late, such strategy had been used since
1950-60, Indonesia was conquered using the said method in 1965-6 and still
in the hand of the conqueror as of today.


On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com wrote:

  *

 In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and
 then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You
 can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And
 [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies
 of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country,
 effectively you have colonized that country. - DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMMAD
 (July 2nd, 2001)

 I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the US
 with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US
 future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan,
 with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)

 Elaine*

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

*I'm talking about US, not Indonesia, but I will not talk about it since it
will be too sensitive to most ppl.

Elaine**
*
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Vernichtung gambler@gmail.com wrote:

  Dear Elaine you are 50-60 years too late, such strategy had been used
 since 1950-60, Indonesia was conquered using the said method in 1965-6 and
 still in the hand of the conqueror as of today.


 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com wrote:

  *

 In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and
 then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You
 can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And
 [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies
 of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country,
 effectively you have colonized that country. - DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMMAD
 (July 2nd, 2001)

 I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the US
 with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US
 future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan,
 with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)

 Elaine*

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

What? Pirated movie? that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own debt.

Elaine
**
*On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote:

Yea..yea..yea..., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's
gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.

Sent from my BullBerry® smartphone

--
*From*: Elaine Sui
*Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700

*To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
*Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
*That's right!

Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to
us.

I have an interesting article, please read it.

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html

Elaine*

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com wrote:

So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread
to US Europe...

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano yuta.tizi...@gmail.comwrote:

If I can summarize:

1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end
of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary
those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources as
SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic
viewpoint
4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences
from Asia

That's how the recovery will work, right?

Rgds,
Yuta

--
*From*: Elaine Sui
*Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
*To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
*Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and
then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You
can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And
[in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies
of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country,
effectively you have colonized that country. - DR. MAHATHIR BIN
MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001)

I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the
US with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US
future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan,
with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)

Elaine*

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant
jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote:

Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2ys=%5EJKSEl=offz=lq=lc=c=%5EDJI

- IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
- DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)

El, What do you think ?.

Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.

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2009-04-07 Terurut Topik Kabu Nusi

similar pattern in the last month, SSE vs JKSE, should be more to come?http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=01.SSt=3ml=onz=mq=lc=^jkse--- On Tue, 4/7/09, Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com wrote:From: Rei highwaysta...@gmail.comSubject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLYTo: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comDate: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 3:54 PM








So the recoverywould be led/startedin Asia and would eventually spread to US  Europe...
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano yuta.tizi...@gmail.com wrote:





If I can summarize:1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources as SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic viewpoint 
4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences from AsiaThat's how the recovery will work, right?Rgds,Yuta 
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From: Elaine Sui Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

"In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country, effectively you have colonized that country." - DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001)
I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the US with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan, with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)
Elaine
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote:
Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLYTapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2ys=%5EJKSEl=offz=lq=lc=c=%5EDJI
- IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)- DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)El, What do you think ?.Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
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If you go to US or Japan, for example, MOST of the goods sold there say
Made in China...those with American/Japanese names on them. In Disneyland,
perhaps 99% of the merchandises sold there are China made.

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com wrote:

*Well, what you mention below are manufactured in China, your bank run
by Indian. Facebook and other media is owned by Jews, you drive either
Japanese or Korean car which consumes Arab oil, and you eat local food.

What? Pirated movie? that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own
debt.

Elaine
**
* On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote:

Yea..yea..yea..., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's
gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.

Sent from my BullBerry® smartphone

--
*From*: Elaine Sui
*Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700

*To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
*Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
*That's right!

Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to
us.

I have an interesting article, please read it.

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html

Elaine*

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com wrote:

So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread
to US Europe...

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano yuta.tizi...@gmail.comwrote:

If I can summarize:

That's how the recovery will work, right?

Rgds,
Yuta

--
*From*: Elaine Sui
*Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
*To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
*Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

Elaine*

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant
jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote:

Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2ys=%5EJKSEl=offz=lq=lc=c=%5EDJI

- IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
- DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)

El, What do you think ?.

Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.

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Yes mom.., they all made in china, but the inovation came from US, iPod and 
iPhone are the example.., what I am going to say, the 'think' is still come 
from the USA.., at least until now..., and that's very important.., kalau ngga 
ada inovation, apa yg mau di produce and di jual?? Hehe

Anyway.., whatever lah, I really don't care, all I care now is our ANTM n 
BUMI..., gimana EL, still on track?

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-Original Message-
From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com

Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:54:28 
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


*Well, what you mention below are manufactured in China, your bank run by
Indian. Facebook and other media is owned by Jews, you drive either Japanese
or Korean car which consumes Arab oil, and you eat local food.

What? Pirated movie? that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own debt.

Elaine
**
*On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote:

  Yea..yea..yea..., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's
 gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.

 Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do..., I love their movie, music,
 junk food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc..., point is, look around
 you, see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is too
 arogan to say we don't need them..., lolz..

 Sent from my BullBerry® smartphone

 --
 *From*: Elaine Sui
 *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700

 *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
 *That's right!

 Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any
 product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot
 create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and
 technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field,
 tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea
 has the best drama TV series.. [?]

 Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to
 us.

 I have an interesting article, please read it.

 http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html

 Elaine*

 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com wrote:

  So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread
 to US  Europe...


 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano yuta.tizi...@gmail.comwrote:

 If I can summarize:

 1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end
 of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
 2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary
 those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
 3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
 economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources as
 SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic
 viewpoint
 4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences
 from Asia

 That's how the recovery will work, right?

 Rgds,
 Yuta

 Powered by my VerryBerry®

 --
 *From*: Elaine Sui
 *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
 *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

 *

 In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and
 then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You
 can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And
 [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies
 of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country,
 effectively you have colonized that country. - DR. MAHATHIR BIN
 MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001)

 I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the
 US with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US
 future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan,
 with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)

 Elaine*


 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant 
 jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote:

 Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


 Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:

 http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2ys=%5EJKSEl=offz=lq=lc=c=%5EDJI

 - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
 - DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)

 El, What do you think ?.

 Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
 rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.









 

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RE: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

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This time, I agree with elaine.

 



 

A joke going around:

Sometime this year, taxpayers will receive an Economic Stimulus Payment.
This is a very exciting new program that will be explained using the Q and A
format:

Q. What is an Economic Stimulus Payment?
A. It is money that the federal government will send to taxpayers..

Q. Where will the government get this money?
A. From taxpayers.

Q. So the government is giving me back my own money?
A. No, they are borrowing it from China. Your children are expected to repay
the Chinese.

Q. What is the purpose of this payment?
A. The plan is that you will use the money to purchase a high-definition TV
set, thus stimulating the economy.

Q. But isn't that stimulating the economy of China?
A. Shut up.

*

 

 

 

 

From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Elaine Sui
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:54 AM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

 

Well, what you mention below are manufactured in China, your bank run by
Indian. Facebook and other media is owned by Jews, you drive either Japanese
or Korean car which consumes Arab oil, and you eat local food.

What? Pirated movie? that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own debt.

Elaine

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTraderT jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote:

Yea..yea..yea..., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's
gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.

Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do..., I love their movie, music, junk
food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc..., point is, look around you,
see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is too
arogan to say we don't need them..., lolz..

Sent from my BullBerryR smartphone

  _  

From: Elaine Sui 
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700


To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

That's right!

Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any
product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot
create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and
technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field,
tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea
has the best drama TV series.. 

Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to us.

I have an interesting article, please read it.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-wit
h-china-korea.html

Elaine

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com wrote:

So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread to
US  Europe... 

 

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano yuta.tizi...@gmail.com
wrote:

If I can summarize:

1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end of
this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary
those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China economy
bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources as
SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic
viewpoint 
4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences
from Asia

That's how the recovery will work, right?

Rgds,
Yuta 

Powered by my VerryBerryR

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From: Elaine Sui 
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

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In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and
then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You
can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And
[in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies
of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country,
effectively you have colonized that country. - DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMMAD
(July 2nd, 2001)

I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the US
with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US
future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan,
with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)

Elaine



On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant
jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote:

Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2y
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2ys=%5EJKSEl=offz=lq=lc=c=%5EDJI
s=%5EJKSEl=offz=lq=lc=c=%5EDJI

- IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
- DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low

Bls: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

2009-04-07 Terurut Topik Asep Buhori

Prof JT might be forgot...US has many sexy girls too..he3xDari: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.comKepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comTerkirim: Rabu, 8 April, 2009 08:54:28Topik: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY









Well, what you mention below are manufactured in China, your bank run by Indian. Facebook and other media is owned by Jews, you drive either Japanese or Korean car which consumes Arab oil, and you eat local food.
What? Pirated movie? that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own debt.ElaineOn Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo. com wrote:









 

Yea..yea..yea. .., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do...,  I love their movie, music, junk food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc. .., point is, look around you, see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is too arogan to say we don't need them..., lolz..
Sent from my BullBerry® smartphoneFrom:  Elaine Sui Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY  That's right!Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field, tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea has the best drama TV series.. 
Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to us.I have an interesting article, please read it.http://www.thejakar tapost.com/ news/2009/ 03/25/asean- ink-investment- pacts-with- china-korea. html
ElaineOn Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei highwaystar91@ gmail.com wrote:
 So the recoverywould be led/startedin Asia and would eventually spread to US  Europe...On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano yuta.tiziano@ gmail.com wrote:

If I can summarize:1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
   3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources as SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic viewpoint 
   4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences from AsiaThat's how the recovery will work, right?Rgds,Yuta Powered by my VerryBerry®
From: Elaine Sui Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. comSubject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
   "In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country, effectively you have colonized that country." - DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001)
  I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the US with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan, with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)
  ElaineOn Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ centrin.net. id wrote:
Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLYTapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:http://finance. yahoo.com/ q/bc?t=2ys=%5EJKSEl=offz=lq=lc=c=%5EDJI
  - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)- DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)El, What do you think ?.Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
   rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?. - - --+ ++ + + + +Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus
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Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

*Innovation is another thing. For Antam and BUMI they're still on track. HEY,
ARE YOU INVESTING? [?][?][?]

Elaine*

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:08 AM, JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote:

Anyway.., whatever lah, I really don't care, all I care now is our ANTM n
BUMI..., gimana EL, still on track?

--
*From*: Elaine Sui
*Date*: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:54:28 +0700

*To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
*Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
*Well, what you mention below are manufactured in China, your bank run by
Indian. Facebook and other media is owned by Jews, you drive either Japanese
or Korean car which consumes Arab oil, and you eat local food.

What? Pirated movie? that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own
debt.

Elaine
**
*On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote:

Yea..yea..yea..., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's
gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.

Sent from my BullBerry® smartphone

--
*From*: Elaine Sui
*Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700

*To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
*Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
*That's right!

Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to
us.

I have an interesting article, please read it.

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html

Elaine*

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com wrote:

So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread
to US Europe...

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano yuta.tizi...@gmail.comwrote:

If I can summarize:

That's how the recovery will work, right?

Rgds,
Yuta

--
*From*: Elaine Sui
*Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
*To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
*Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

Elaine*

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant
jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote:

Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2ys=%5EJKSEl=offz=lq=lc=c=%5EDJI

- IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
- DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)

El, What do you think ?.

Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

Gw rasa si elaine yang pegang data konkrit...bank dunia udah bilang cina itu kuat ekonominya..tau dari mana mereka..yang jelas mereka punya data...Data is VVIP thing at this moment..Dario Amran--- Pada Rab, 8/4/09, JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com menulis:Dari: JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.comTopik: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLYKepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comTanggal: Rabu, 8 April, 2009, 9:08 AM

Yes mom.., they all made in china, but the inovation came from US, iPod and iPhone are the example.., what I am going to say, the 'think' is still come from the USA.., at least until now..., and that's very important.., kalau ngga ada inovation, apa yg mau di produce and di jual?? HeheAnyway.., whatever lah, I really don't care, all I care now is our ANTM n BUMI..., gimana EL, still on track?Powered by TLKM BullBerry®From: Elaine Sui Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:54:28 +0700To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. comSubject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY Well, what you mention below are manufactured in China, your bank run by Indian. Facebook and other media is owned by Jews, you drive either Japanese or Korean car which consumes Arab oil, and you eat local food. What? Pirated movie?
that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own debt.ElaineOn Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo. com wrote:Yea..yea..yea. .., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do..., I love their movie, music, junk food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc. .., point is, look around you, see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is too arogan to say we don't need them..., lolz..Sent from my BullBerry® smartphoneFrom: Elaine Sui Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. comSubject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY That's right!Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field, tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea has the best drama TV series.. Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to us.I have an interesting article, please read it.http://www.thejakar tapost.com/ news/2009/ 03/25/asean- ink-investment- pacts-with- china-korea. htmlElaineOn Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei highwaystar91@ gmail.com wrote: So the recoverywould be led/startedin Asia and would eventually spread to US
Europe...On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano yuta.tiziano@ gmail.com wrote:If I can summarize:1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources as SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from
trading amount and traffic viewpoint 4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences from AsiaThat's how the recovery will work, right?Rgds,Yuta Powered by my VerryBerry®From: Elaine Sui Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. comSubject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY"In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the
policies of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country, effectively you have colonized that country." - DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001) I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the US with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan, with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.) ElaineOn Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ centrin.net. id wrote:Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLYTapi kalo kita perhatikan
pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:http://finance. yahoo.com/ q/bc?t=2ys=%5EJKSEl=offz=lq=lc=c=%5EDJI - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)- DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)El, What do you think ?.Will Indonesia, China and India market have different marketrally compared to

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

Not really investing..., just trading longer.., no more daily lah.., will do it 
weekly.., maybe montly if the market get even better...

Powered by TLKM BullBerry®

-Original Message-
From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com

Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:14:02 
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

*Innovation is another thing. For Antam and BUMI they're still on track. HEY,
ARE YOU INVESTING? [?][?][?]

Elaine*

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:08 AM, JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote:

  Yes mom.., they all made in china, but the inovation came from US, iPod
 and iPhone are the example.., what I am going to say, the 'think' is still
 come from the USA.., at least until now..., and that's very important..,
 kalau ngga ada inovation, apa yg mau di produce and di jual?? Hehe

 Anyway.., whatever lah, I really don't care, all I care now is our ANTM n
 BUMI..., gimana EL, still on track?

 Powered by TLKM BullBerry®

 --
 *From*: Elaine Sui
 *Date*: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:54:28 +0700

 *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
 *Well, what you mention below are manufactured in China, your bank run by
 Indian. Facebook and other media is owned by Jews, you drive either Japanese
 or Korean car which consumes Arab oil, and you eat local food.

 What? Pirated movie? that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own
 debt.

 Elaine
 **
 *On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote:

  Yea..yea..yea..., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's
 gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.

 Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do..., I love their movie, music,
 junk food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc..., point is, look around
 you, see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is too
 arogan to say we don't need them..., lolz..

 Sent from my BullBerry® smartphone

 --
 *From*: Elaine Sui
 *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700

 *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
 *That's right!

 Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any
 product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot
 create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and
 technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field,
 tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea
 has the best drama TV series.. [?]

 Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to
 us.

 I have an interesting article, please read it.

 http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html

 Elaine*

 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com wrote:

  So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread
 to US  Europe...

 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano yuta.tizi...@gmail.comwrote:

 If I can summarize:

 1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end
 of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
 2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary
 those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
 3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
 economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources 
 as
 SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic
 viewpoint
 4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences
 from Asia

 That's how the recovery will work, right?

 Rgds,
 Yuta

 Powered by my VerryBerry®

 --
 *From*: Elaine Sui
 *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
 *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

 *

 In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force,
 and then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all.
 You can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help.
 And [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the
 policies of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a
 country, effectively you have colonized that country. - DR. MAHATHIR
 BIN MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001)

 I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the
 US with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the 
 US
 future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan,
 with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)

 Elaine*

 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant 
 jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote:

 Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

 Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:

 http

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

Yes Sir, anak saya seneng banget sama Barbie, koleksinya selemari.., juga poly 
Pocket, Bratz, dll..., they all made in china.., sold milion and milion all 
over the world.., who's Idea is it..??..., tentunya US not china...

Jadi menurut saya, mau tidak mau, suka tidak suka, US tetep merupakan bagian 
penting dari hidup kita...

 
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-Original Message-
From: Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com

Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:59:52 
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


If you go to US or Japan, for example, MOST of the goods sold there say
Made in China...those with American/Japanese names on them. In Disneyland,
perhaps 99% of the merchandises sold there are China made.

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com wrote:

   *Well, what you mention below are manufactured in China, your bank run
 by Indian. Facebook and other media is owned by Jews, you drive either
 Japanese or Korean car which consumes Arab oil, and you eat local food.

 What? Pirated movie? that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own
 debt.

 Elaine
 **
 * On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Yea..yea..yea..., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's
 gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.

 Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do..., I love their movie, music,
 junk food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc..., point is, look around
 you, see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is too
 arogan to say we don't need them..., lolz..

 Sent from my BullBerry® smartphone

 --
 *From*: Elaine Sui
 *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700

 *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
  *That's right!

 Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any
 product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot
 create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and
 technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field,
 tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea
 has the best drama TV series.. [?]

 Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to
 us.

 I have an interesting article, please read it.

 http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html

 Elaine*

 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com wrote:

 So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread
 to US  Europe...


 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano yuta.tizi...@gmail.comwrote:

   If I can summarize:

 1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end
 of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
 2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary
 those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
 3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
 economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources 
 as
 SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic
 viewpoint
 4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences
 from Asia

 That's how the recovery will work, right?

 Rgds,
 Yuta

 Powered by my VerryBerry®

 --
 *From*: Elaine Sui
 *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
 *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

 *

 In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force,
 and then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all.
 You can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help.
 And [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the
 policies of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a
 country, effectively you have colonized that country. - DR. MAHATHIR
 BIN MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001)

 I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the
 US with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the 
 US
 future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan,
 with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)

 Elaine*


 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant 
 jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote:

 Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


 Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:

 http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2ys=%5EJKSEl=offz=lq=lc=c=%5EDJI

 - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
 - DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)

 El, What do you think ?.

 Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
 rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

2009-04-07 Terurut Topik vaulstrad

You will see when china transform into domestic economy. Now you see they have 
more money than before. 

US is only a fraction of their population, I'm sure one day, they do not have 
to depend on US. 

India and all asia are the market itself. 


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-Original Message-
From: JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com

Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 01:30:49 
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


Aaah..., not to mention Facebook...LOLz..

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-Original Message-
From: JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com

Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 01:17:36 
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


Yea..yea..yea..., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's gonna 
consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.

Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do...,  I love their movie, music, junk 
food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc..., point is, look around you, 
see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is too arogan 
to say we don't need them..., lolz..


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-Original Message-
From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com

Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


*That's right!

Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any
product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot
create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and
technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field,
tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea
has the best drama TV series.. [?]

Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to us.

I have an interesting article, please read it.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html

Elaine*

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com wrote:

  So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread
 to US  Europe...


 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano yuta.tizi...@gmail.comwrote:

   If I can summarize:

 1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end of
 this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
 2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary
 those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
 3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
 economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources as
 SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic
 viewpoint
 4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences
 from Asia

 That's how the recovery will work, right?

 Rgds,
 Yuta

 Powered by my VerryBerry®

 --
 *From*: Elaine Sui
 *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
 *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

 *

 In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and
 then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You
 can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And
 [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies
 of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country,
 effectively you have colonized that country. - DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMMAD
 (July 2nd, 2001)

 I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the US
 with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US
 future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan,
 with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)

 Elaine*


 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant 
 jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote:

 Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


 Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:

 http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2ys=%5EJKSEl=offz=lq=lc=c=%5EDJI

 - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
 - DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)

 El, What do you think ?.

 Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
 rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.









 

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Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

*Don't you want anything else to do instead of trading? things like
traveling, you know Africa is a very exotic place for getaway. [?] Bring your
wife and kids there, they'll like it.

Elaine**
*
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:17 AM, JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote:

Not really investing..., just trading longer.., no more daily lah.., will
do it weekly.., maybe montly if the market get even better...

--
*From*: Elaine Sui
*Date*: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:14:02 +0700

*To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
*Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
*Innovation is another thing. For Antam and BUMI they're still on track. HEY,
ARE YOU INVESTING? [?][?][?]

Elaine*

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:08 AM, JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote:

Anyway.., whatever lah, I really don't care, all I care now is our ANTM n
BUMI..., gimana EL, still on track?

--
*From*: Elaine Sui
*Date*: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:54:28 +0700

What? Pirated movie? that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own
debt.

Elaine
**
*On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote:

Yea..yea..yea..., china can produce about anything, but without US,
who's gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my
dear.

Sent from my BullBerry® smartphone

--
*From*: Elaine Sui
*Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700

*To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
*Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
*That's right!

Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to
us.

I have an interesting article, please read it.

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html

Elaine*

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com wrote:

So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually
spread to US Europe...

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano
yuta.tizi...@gmail.comwrote:

If I can summarize:

1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end
of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region,
particulary those countries who export commodities to China, including
Indonesia
3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources
as
SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic
viewpoint
4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive
influences from Asia

That's how the recovery will work, right?

Rgds,
Yuta

--
*From*: Elaine Sui
*Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
*To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
*Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force,
and then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all.
You can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request
help.
And [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the
policies of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a
country, effectively you have colonized that country. - DR. MAHATHIR
BIN MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001)

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

One more thing, EL.., punya banyak hutang artinya Credibel.., don't forget 
that.., hehe..

Well.., tau ahh.., puyeng mikirin urusan begituan, mending mikir saham 
aja..., saham apa nih yg mau kita sikat??

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-Original Message-
From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com

Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:14:02 
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


*Innovation is another thing. For Antam and BUMI they're still on track. HEY,
ARE YOU INVESTING? [?][?][?]

Elaine*

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:08 AM, JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote:

  Yes mom.., they all made in china, but the inovation came from US, iPod
 and iPhone are the example.., what I am going to say, the 'think' is still
 come from the USA.., at least until now..., and that's very important..,
 kalau ngga ada inovation, apa yg mau di produce and di jual?? Hehe

 Anyway.., whatever lah, I really don't care, all I care now is our ANTM n
 BUMI..., gimana EL, still on track?

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 --
 *From*: Elaine Sui
 *Date*: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:54:28 +0700

 *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
 *Well, what you mention below are manufactured in China, your bank run by
 Indian. Facebook and other media is owned by Jews, you drive either Japanese
 or Korean car which consumes Arab oil, and you eat local food.

 What? Pirated movie? that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own
 debt.

 Elaine
 **
 *On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote:

  Yea..yea..yea..., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's
 gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.

 Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do..., I love their movie, music,
 junk food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc..., point is, look around
 you, see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is too
 arogan to say we don't need them..., lolz..

 Sent from my BullBerry® smartphone

 --
 *From*: Elaine Sui
 *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700

 *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
 *That's right!

 Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any
 product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot
 create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and
 technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field,
 tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea
 has the best drama TV series.. [?]

 Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to
 us.

 I have an interesting article, please read it.

 http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html

 Elaine*

 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com wrote:

  So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread
 to US  Europe...


 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano yuta.tizi...@gmail.comwrote:

 If I can summarize:

 1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end
 of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
 2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary
 those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
 3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
 economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources 
 as
 SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic
 viewpoint
 4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences
 from Asia

 That's how the recovery will work, right?

 Rgds,
 Yuta

 Powered by my VerryBerry®

 --
 *From*: Elaine Sui
 *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
 *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

 *

 In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force,
 and then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all.
 You can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help.
 And [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the
 policies of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a
 country, effectively you have colonized that country. - DR. MAHATHIR
 BIN MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001)

 I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the
 US with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the 
 US
 future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan,
 with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)

 Elaine*


 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant 
 jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote:

 Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

2009-04-07 Terurut Topik eddytj99

Mid-year rebound forecast
By Wang Bo (China Daily)
Updated: 2009-04-08 07:43
Comments(0) PrintMail

The government's $586-billion stimulus package may be strong enough to drive 
the economy to an early rebound in the middle of this year, the World Bank said 
yesterday, adding a caveat that a full recovery ultimately depends on 
developments in the advanced economies.

Fueled largely by the huge economic stimulus package, a recovery in China is 
likely to begin this year and take full hold in 2010, contributing to the 
region's stabilization, the bank said in its latest semi-annual report on the 
economic health of East Asia and the Pacific region.

A wide range of economic indicators in China are improving, indicating that a 
recovery is underway, said Vikram Nehru, the World Bank's chief economist for 
the East Asia and Pacific region.
..

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote:

 *Well, what you mention below are manufactured in China, your bank run by
 Indian. Facebook and other media is owned by Jews, you drive either Japanese
 or Korean car which consumes Arab oil, and you eat local food.
 
 What? Pirated movie? that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own debt.
 
 Elaine
 **
 *On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTrader jsxtra...@... wrote:
 
   Yea..yea..yea..., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's
  gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.
 
  Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do..., I love their movie, music,
  junk food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc..., point is, look around
  you, see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is too
  arogan to say we don't need them..., lolz..
 
  Sent from my BullBerry® smartphone
 
  --
  *From*: Elaine Sui
  *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700
 
  *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
  *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
  *That's right!
 
  Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any
  product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot
  create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and
  technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field,
  tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea
  has the best drama TV series.. [?]
 
  Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to
  us.
 
  I have an interesting article, please read it.
 
  http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html
 
  Elaine*
 
  On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei highwaysta...@... wrote:
 
   So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread
  to US  Europe...
 
 
  On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano yuta.tizi...@...wrote:
 
  If I can summarize:
 
  1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end
  of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
  2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary
  those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
  3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
  economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources 
  as
  SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic
  viewpoint
  4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences
  from Asia
 
  That's how the recovery will work, right?
 
  Rgds,
  Yuta
 
  Powered by my VerryBerry®
 
  --
  *From*: Elaine Sui
  *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
  *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
  *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
 
  *
 
  In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and
  then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You
  can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. 
  And
  [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the 
  policies
  of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country,
  effectively you have colonized that country. - DR. MAHATHIR BIN
  MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001)
 
  I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the
  US with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the 
  US
  future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding 
  Japan,
  with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)
 
  Elaine*
 
 
  On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant 
  jsx-consult...@... wrote:
 
  Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
 
 
  Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:
 
  http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2ys=%5EJKSEl=offz=lq=lc=c=%5EDJI
 
  - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
  - DJI bentuk last wavenya

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

2009-04-07 Terurut Topik Thomas Frederick

yes.. cape town.. really really beautiful...

btw Elaine... today 4:1 or 4:2 if you think you lose yesterday? or 5:1 instead for 2day?

Thank You! 

ThomaS FredericK--- On Tue, 4/7/09, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.comSubject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLYTo: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comDate: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 9:26 PM


Don't you want anything else to do instead of trading? things like traveling, you know Africa is a very exotic place for getaway.  Bring your wife and kids there, they'll like it.Elaine
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:17 AM, JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo. com wrote:

Not really investing... , just trading longer.., no more daily lah.., will do it weekly.., maybe montly if the market get even better...
Powered by TLKM BullBerry®


From: Elaine Sui Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:14:02 +0700


To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. comSubject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


Innovation is another thing. For Antam and BUMI they're still on track. HEY, ARE YOU INVESTING??? ?? Elaine
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:08 AM, JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo. com wrote:

Yes mom.., they all made in china, but the inovation came from US, iPod and iPhone are the example.., what I am going to say, the 'think' is still come from the USA.., at least until now..., and that's very important.., kalau ngga ada inovation, apa yg mau di produce and di jual?? HeheAnyway.., whatever lah, I really don't care, all I care now is our ANTM n BUMI..., gimana EL, still on track?
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From: Elaine Sui Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:54:28 +0700


To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. comSubject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


Well, what you mention below are manufactured in China, your bank run by Indian. Facebook and other media is owned by Jews, you drive either Japanese or Korean car which consumes Arab oil, and you eat local food.What? Pirated movie? that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own debt.Elaine
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo. com wrote:

Yea..yea..yea. .., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do..., I love their movie, music, junk food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc. .., point is, look around you, see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is too arogan to say we don't need them..., lolz..
Sent from my BullBerry® smartphone


From: Elaine Sui Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700


To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. comSubject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


That's right!Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field, tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea has the best drama TV series.. Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to us.I have an interesting article, please read it.http://www.thejakar tapost.com/ news/2009/ 03/25/asean- ink-investment- pacts-with- china-korea. htmlElaine
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei highwaystar91@ gmail.com wrote:

So the recoverywould be led/startedin Asia and would eventually spread to US  Europe...



On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano yuta.tiziano@ gmail.com wrote:





If I can summarize:1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources as SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic viewpoint 4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences from AsiaThat's how the recovery will work, right?Rgds,Yuta 
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From: Elaine Sui Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. comSubject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
"In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country, effectively you have colonized that country." - DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001)I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the US with milit

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

2009-04-07 Terurut Topik Ferry Wachjudi

Ampun dechAfrika?? Kalau mau exotic place di Indonesia juga 
buanyakkkand bisa2 EL paling cantik dan putih disana dech.hi...hi...hi


Thanks  Rgds,
Ferry W.

http://budidaya-jamur-tiram.blogspot.com/
  - Original Message - 
  From: Elaine Sui 
  To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 7:26 PM
  Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


  Don't you want anything else to do instead of trading? things like traveling, 
you know Africa is a very exotic place for getaway.  Bring your wife and kids 
there, they'll like it.

  Elaine


  On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:17 AM, JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote:

Not really investing..., just trading longer.., no more daily lah.., will 
do it weekly.., maybe montly if the market get even better...
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From: Elaine Sui 
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:14:02 +0700

To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

Innovation is another thing. For Antam and BUMI they're still on track. 
HEY, ARE YOU INVESTING? 

Elaine


On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:08 AM, JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote:

  Yes mom.., they all made in china, but the inovation came from US, iPod 
and iPhone are the example.., what I am going to say, the 'think' is still come 
from the USA.., at least until now..., and that's very important.., kalau ngga 
ada inovation, apa yg mau di produce and di jual?? Hehe

  Anyway.., whatever lah, I really don't care, all I care now is our ANTM n 
BUMI..., gimana EL, still on track?
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--
  From: Elaine Sui 
  Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:54:28 +0700

  To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

  Well, what you mention below are manufactured in China, your bank run by 
Indian. Facebook and other media is owned by Jews, you drive either Japanese or 
Korean car which consumes Arab oil, and you eat local food.

  What? Pirated movie? that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own 
debt.

  Elaine


  On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote:

Yea..yea..yea..., china can produce about anything, but without US, 
who's gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.

Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do..., I love their movie, music, 
junk food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc..., point is, look around 
you, see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is too 
arogan to say we don't need them..., lolz..

Sent from my BullBerry® smartphone



From: Elaine Sui 
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700

To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

That's right!

Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any 
product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot 
create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and technology 
students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field, tin and coal 
mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea has the best 
drama TV series.. 

Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant 
to us.

I have an interesting article, please read it.

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html

Elaine


On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com wrote:

  So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually 
spread to US  Europe... 



  On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano 
yuta.tizi...@gmail.com wrote:

If I can summarize:

1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than 
end of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, 
particulary those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast 
China economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources 
as SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic 
viewpoint 
4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive 
influences from Asia

That's how the recovery will work, right?

Rgds,
Yuta 

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Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

2009-04-07 Terurut Topik Thomas Frederick

yes.. cape town.. really really beautiful...

btw Elaine... today 4:1 or 4:2 if you think you lose yesterday? or 5:1 instead for 2day

Thank You! 

ThomaS FredericK--- On Tue, 4/7/09, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.comSubject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLYTo: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comDate: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 9:26 PM


Don't you want anything else to do instead of trading? things like traveling, you know Africa is a very exotic place for getaway.  Bring your wife and kids there, they'll like it.Elaine
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:17 AM, JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo. com wrote:

Not really investing... , just trading longer.., no more daily lah.., will do it weekly.., maybe montly if the market get even better...
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From: Elaine Sui Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:14:02 +0700


To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. comSubject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


Innovation is another thing. For Antam and BUMI they're still on track. HEY, ARE YOU INVESTING??? ?? Elaine
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:08 AM, JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo. com wrote:

Yes mom.., they all made in china, but the inovation came from US, iPod and iPhone are the example.., what I am going to say, the 'think' is still come from the USA.., at least until now..., and that's very important.., kalau ngga ada inovation, apa yg mau di produce and di jual?? HeheAnyway.., whatever lah, I really don't care, all I care now is our ANTM n BUMI..., gimana EL, still on track?
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From: Elaine Sui Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:54:28 +0700


To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. comSubject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


Well, what you mention below are manufactured in China, your bank run by Indian. Facebook and other media is owned by Jews, you drive either Japanese or Korean car which consumes Arab oil, and you eat local food.What? Pirated movie? that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own debt.Elaine
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo. com wrote:

Yea..yea..yea. .., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do..., I love their movie, music, junk food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc. .., point is, look around you, see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is too arogan to say we don't need them..., lolz..
Sent from my BullBerry® smartphone


From: Elaine Sui Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700


To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. comSubject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


That's right!Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field, tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea has the best drama TV series.. Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to us.I have an interesting article, please read it.http://www.thejakar tapost.com/ news/2009/ 03/25/asean- ink-investment- pacts-with- china-korea. htmlElaine
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei highwaystar91@ gmail.com wrote:

So the recoverywould be led/startedin Asia and would eventually spread to US  Europe...



On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano yuta.tiziano@ gmail.com wrote:





If I can summarize:1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources as SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic viewpoint 4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences from AsiaThat's how the recovery will work, right?Rgds,Yuta 
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From: Elaine Sui Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. comSubject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
"In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country, effectively you have colonized that country." - DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001)I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the US with milit

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

*JT masih bisa gain dari market US, buy Ultrashort Financial ProShares ETF
(code=SKF)

Elaine*

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:15 AM, JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote:

Yes Sir, anak saya seneng banget sama Barbie, koleksinya selemari.., juga
poly Pocket, Bratz, dll..., they all made in china.., sold milion and milion
all over the world.., who's Idea is it..??..., tentunya US not china...

Jadi menurut saya, mau tidak mau, suka tidak suka, US tetep merupakan
bagian penting dari hidup kita...

--
*From*: Rei
*Date*: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:59:52 +0700

*To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
*Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
If you go to US or Japan, for example, MOST of the goods sold there say
Made in China...those with American/Japanese names on them. In Disneyland,
perhaps 99% of the merchandises sold there are China made.

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com wrote:

What? Pirated movie? that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own
debt.

Elaine
**
*
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote:

Yea..yea..yea..., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's
gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.

Sent from my BullBerry® smartphone

--
*From*: Elaine Sui
*Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700

*To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
*Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
*That's right!

Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to
us.

I have an interesting article, please read it.

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html

Elaine*

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com wrote:

So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread
to US Europe...

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano
yuta.tizi...@gmail.comwrote:

If I can summarize:

1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end
of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region,
particulary those countries who export commodities to China, including
Indonesia
3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources
as
SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic
viewpoint
4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive
influences from Asia

That's how the recovery will work, right?

Rgds,
Yuta

--
*From*: Elaine Sui
*Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
*To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
*Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force,
and then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all.
You can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request
help.
And [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the
policies of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a
country, effectively you have colonized that country. - DR. MAHATHIR
BIN MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001)

Elaine*

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant
jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote:

Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2ys=%5EJKSEl=offz=lq=lc=c=%5EDJI

- IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
- DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

Ya pak of course...cuma maksud saya memang gila China merajalela barangnya,
tapi itu kan order dari US/Jepang juga...they only know how to copy dan cost
mereka cheap.
Jepang juga dulu gitu, tp berhasil menjadi super power. China mungkin saja
ikut Jepang suatu hari...
US is still too powerfull now in terms of influence. Wah ngelantur nih
saya.. hehe

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:15 AM, JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote:

Yes Sir, anak saya seneng banget sama Barbie, koleksinya selemari..,
juga poly Pocket, Bratz, dll..., they all made in china.., sold milion and
milion all over the world.., who's Idea is it..??..., tentunya US not
china...

Jadi menurut saya, mau tidak mau, suka tidak suka, US tetep merupakan
bagian penting dari hidup kita...

--
*From*: Rei
*Date*: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:59:52 +0700

*To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
*Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com wrote:

*Well, what you mention below are manufactured in China, your bank run
by Indian. Facebook and other media is owned by Jews, you drive either
Japanese or Korean car which consumes Arab oil, and you eat local food.

What? Pirated movie? that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own
debt.

Elaine
**
* On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote:

Yea..yea..yea..., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's
gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.

Sent from my BullBerry® smartphone

--
*From*: Elaine Sui
*Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700

*To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
*Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
*That's right!

Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to
us.

I have an interesting article, please read it.

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html

Elaine*

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com wrote:

So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread
to US Europe...

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano
yuta.tizi...@gmail.comwrote:

If I can summarize:

1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end
of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region,
particulary those countries who export commodities to China, including
Indonesia
3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources
as
SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic
viewpoint
4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive
influences from Asia

That's how the recovery will work, right?

Rgds,
Yuta

--
*From*: Elaine Sui
*Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
*To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
*Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force,
and then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all.
You can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request
help.
And [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the
policies of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a
country, effectively you have colonized that country. - DR. MAHATHIR
BIN MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001)

Elaine*

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant
jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote:

Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

Sure I love traveling, EL..., as a matter of fact I am now sick and tired so I 
need to take a vacation..., but it needs money.., and trading is one way to get 
it..., hehe...,

jadi I am doing Trading for Traveling now Lolz
 
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-Original Message-
From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com

Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:26:20 
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


*Don't you want anything else to do instead of trading? things like
traveling, you know Africa is a very exotic place for getaway. [?] Bring your
wife and kids there, they'll like it.

Elaine**
*
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:17 AM, JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote:

  Not really investing..., just trading longer.., no more daily lah.., will
 do it weekly.., maybe montly if the market get even better...

 Powered by TLKM BullBerry®

 --
 *From*: Elaine Sui
 *Date*: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:14:02 +0700

 *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
 *Innovation is another thing. For Antam and BUMI they're still on track. HEY,
 ARE YOU INVESTING? [?][?][?]

 Elaine*

 On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:08 AM, JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote:

  Yes mom.., they all made in china, but the inovation came from US, iPod
 and iPhone are the example.., what I am going to say, the 'think' is still
 come from the USA.., at least until now..., and that's very important..,
 kalau ngga ada inovation, apa yg mau di produce and di jual?? Hehe

 Anyway.., whatever lah, I really don't care, all I care now is our ANTM n
 BUMI..., gimana EL, still on track?

 Powered by TLKM BullBerry®

 --
 *From*: Elaine Sui
 *Date*: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:54:28 +0700

 *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
 *Well, what you mention below are manufactured in China, your bank run by
 Indian. Facebook and other media is owned by Jews, you drive either Japanese
 or Korean car which consumes Arab oil, and you eat local food.

 What? Pirated movie? that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own
 debt.

 Elaine
 **
 *On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote:

  Yea..yea..yea..., china can produce about anything, but without US,
 who's gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my
 dear.

 Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do..., I love their movie, music,
 junk food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc..., point is, look around
 you, see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is too
 arogan to say we don't need them..., lolz..

 Sent from my BullBerry® smartphone

 --
 *From*: Elaine Sui
 *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700

 *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
 *That's right!

 Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any
 product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot
 create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and
 technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field,
 tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea
 has the best drama TV series.. [?]

 Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to
 us.

 I have an interesting article, please read it.

 http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html

 Elaine*

 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com wrote:

  So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually
 spread to US  Europe...


 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano 
 yuta.tizi...@gmail.comwrote:

 If I can summarize:

 1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end
 of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
 2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region,
 particulary those countries who export commodities to China, including
 Indonesia
 3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
 economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources 
 as
 SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic
 viewpoint
 4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive
 influences from Asia

 That's how the recovery will work, right?

 Rgds,
 Yuta

 Powered by my VerryBerry®

 --
 *From*: Elaine Sui
 *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
 *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

 *

 In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force,
 and then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all.
 You can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request 
 help

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

2009-04-07 Terurut Topik conx_2003

what about the price of commodity in U$, because from what i have noticed 
lately is the price of commodity is in line with DJ index, so if DJ index is 
going down, so will the price of commodity, if the prices of commodity fall so 
will IDX?

hope that im wrong hahaha
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote:

 *Innovation is another thing. For Antam and BUMI they're still on track. HEY,
 ARE YOU INVESTING? [?][?][?]
 
 Elaine*
 
 On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:08 AM, JsxTrader jsxtra...@... wrote:
 
   Yes mom.., they all made in china, but the inovation came from US, iPod
  and iPhone are the example.., what I am going to say, the 'think' is still
  come from the USA.., at least until now..., and that's very important..,
  kalau ngga ada inovation, apa yg mau di produce and di jual?? Hehe
 
  Anyway.., whatever lah, I really don't care, all I care now is our ANTM n
  BUMI..., gimana EL, still on track?
 
  Powered by TLKM BullBerry®
 
  --
  *From*: Elaine Sui
  *Date*: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:54:28 +0700
 
  *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
  *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
  *Well, what you mention below are manufactured in China, your bank run by
  Indian. Facebook and other media is owned by Jews, you drive either Japanese
  or Korean car which consumes Arab oil, and you eat local food.
 
  What? Pirated movie? that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own
  debt.
 
  Elaine
  **
  *On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTrader jsxtra...@... wrote:
 
   Yea..yea..yea..., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's
  gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.
 
  Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do..., I love their movie, music,
  junk food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc..., point is, look 
  around
  you, see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is 
  too
  arogan to say we don't need them..., lolz..
 
  Sent from my BullBerry® smartphone
 
  --
  *From*: Elaine Sui
  *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700
 
  *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
  *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
  *That's right!
 
  Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any
  product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot
  create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and
  technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field,
  tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and 
  Korea
  has the best drama TV series.. [?]
 
  Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to
  us.
 
  I have an interesting article, please read it.
 
  http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html
 
  Elaine*
 
  On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei highwaysta...@... wrote:
 
   So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread
  to US  Europe...
 
 
  On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano yuta.tizi...@...wrote:
 
  If I can summarize:
 
  1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end
  of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
  2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary
  those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
  3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
  economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy 
  resources as
  SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and 
  traffic
  viewpoint
  4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences
  from Asia
 
  That's how the recovery will work, right?
 
  Rgds,
  Yuta
 
  Powered by my VerryBerry®
 
  --
  *From*: Elaine Sui
  *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
  *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
  *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
 
  *
 
  In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force,
  and then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all.
  You can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request 
  help.
  And [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the
  policies of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a
  country, effectively you have colonized that country. - DR. MAHATHIR
  BIN MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001)
 
  I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the
  US with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively 
  the US
  future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding 
  Japan,
  with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)
 
  Elaine*
 
 
  On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant 
  jsx-consult...@... wrote:
 
  Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

Ah pak JT suka merendah nih... :-) I am sure you can travel anywhere
anytime.
Di Guam bagus juga pak katanya, teman saya ada yg disana (org Guam sih, baru
datang ke jakarta blm lama ini)...cuma buat relaxing. Buat yg pikir
Hawaii/Africa mungkin terlalu jauh, tapi Bali terlalu dekat hehe. Banyak
turis Jepang di sana.

Ngomong2 Antm 1200 tuh...Monggo buat yg belum masuk. Ptba malah sdh kuning.

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:33 AM, JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote:

Sure I love traveling, EL..., as a matter of fact I am now sick and
tired so I need to take a vacation..., but it needs money.., and trading is
one way to get it..., hehe...,

jadi I am doing Trading for Traveling now Lolz

--
*From*: Elaine Sui
*Date*: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:26:20 +0700
*To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
*Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

*Don't you want anything else to do instead of trading? things like
traveling, you know Africa is a very exotic place for getaway. [?] Bring
your wife and kids there, they'll like it.

Elaine**
*
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:17 AM, JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote:

Not really investing..., just trading longer.., no more daily lah.., will
do it weekly.., maybe montly if the market get even better...

--
*From*: Elaine Sui
*Date*: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:14:02 +0700

Elaine*

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:08 AM, JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote:

Anyway.., whatever lah, I really don't care, all I care now is our ANTM n
BUMI..., gimana EL, still on track?

--
*From*: Elaine Sui
*Date*: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:54:28 +0700

*To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
*Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
*Well, what you mention below are manufactured in China, your bank
run by Indian. Facebook and other media is owned by Jews, you drive either
Japanese or Korean car which consumes Arab oil, and you eat local food.

What? Pirated movie? that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own
debt.

Elaine
**
* On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.comwrote:

Yea..yea..yea..., china can produce about anything, but without US,
who's gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my
dear.

Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do..., I love their movie, music,
junk food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc..., point is, look
around
you, see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is
too
arogan to say we don't need them..., lolz..

Sent from my BullBerry® smartphone

--
*From*: Elaine Sui
*Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700

*To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
*Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
*That's right!

Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to
us.

I have an interesting article, please read it.

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html

Elaine*

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com wrote:

So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually
spread to US Europe...

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano
yuta.tizi...@gmail.comwrote:

If I can summarize:

1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than
end of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region,
particulary those countries who export commodities to China, including
Indonesia
3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy
resources as
SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and
traffic
viewpoint
4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive
influences from Asia

That's how the recovery

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

Pak JT mah sukanya ke Crown di Melbourne, bisa main tek tok seperti di BEI
tapi lebih asik soalnya lebih cepat tek toknya hehehe.

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com wrote:

  Ah pak JT suka merendah nih... :-) I am sure you can travel anywhere
 anytime.
 Di Guam bagus juga pak katanya, teman saya ada yg disana (org Guam sih,
 baru datang ke jakarta blm lama ini)...cuma buat relaxing. Buat yg pikir
 Hawaii/Africa mungkin terlalu jauh, tapi Bali terlalu dekat hehe. Banyak
 turis Jepang di sana.

 Ngomong2 Antm 1200 tuh...Monggo buat yg belum masuk. Ptba malah sdh
 kuning.

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

Yes besides producers we also need consumers, the thing is can the world
find new consumers that can consume what the producer can produce thus
stimulating economy of the producers and hopefully the consumers along with
it.

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

2009-04-07 Terurut Topik mh

Pak Rei,

Terlepas china suka copy dan jago copy,
Mereka punya satu hal yang menyebabkan maju, yaitu kebiasaan hidup hemat.
Mereka melakukan saving, tapi ini terjadi pada generasi tua aja kira2 di atas 
40 thn yg sempet hidup susah.
Utk generasi di bawah itu yg ga hidup susah, mereka boros juga.
Dan kayaknya roda akan berputar sekarang saatnya abad asia, mungkin ketika asia 
redup, maka lokomotif ekonomi akan pindah ke afrika yg sekarang sedang susah 
bgt.

Mh
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From: Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com

Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:32:41 
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


Ya pak of course...cuma maksud saya memang gila China merajalela barangnya,
tapi itu kan order dari US/Jepang juga...they only know how to copy dan cost
mereka cheap.
Jepang juga dulu gitu, tp berhasil menjadi super power. China mungkin saja
ikut Jepang suatu hari...
US is still too powerfull now in terms of influence. Wah ngelantur nih
saya.. hehe

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:15 AM, JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote:

   Yes Sir, anak saya seneng banget sama Barbie, koleksinya selemari..,
 juga poly Pocket, Bratz, dll..., they all made in china.., sold milion and
 milion all over the world.., who's Idea is it..??..., tentunya US not
 china...

 Jadi menurut saya, mau tidak mau, suka tidak suka, US tetep merupakan
 bagian penting dari hidup kita...

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 *From*: Rei
 *Date*: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:59:52 +0700

 *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

  If you go to US or Japan, for example, MOST of the goods sold there say
 Made in China...those with American/Japanese names on them. In Disneyland,
 perhaps 99% of the merchandises sold there are China made.

 On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com wrote:

   *Well, what you mention below are manufactured in China, your bank run
 by Indian. Facebook and other media is owned by Jews, you drive either
 Japanese or Korean car which consumes Arab oil, and you eat local food.

 What? Pirated movie? that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own
 debt.

 Elaine
 **
 * On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Yea..yea..yea..., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's
 gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.

 Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do..., I love their movie, music,
 junk food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc..., point is, look around
 you, see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is too
 arogan to say we don't need them..., lolz..

 Sent from my BullBerry® smartphone

 --
 *From*: Elaine Sui
 *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700

 *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
  *That's right!

 Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any
 product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot
 create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and
 technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field,
 tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea
 has the best drama TV series.. [?]

 Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to
 us.

 I have an interesting article, please read it.

 http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html

 Elaine*

 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com wrote:

 So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread
 to US  Europe...


 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano 
 yuta.tizi...@gmail.comwrote:

   If I can summarize:

 1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end
 of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
 2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region,
 particulary those countries who export commodities to China, including
 Indonesia
 3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
 economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources 
 as
 SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic
 viewpoint
 4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive
 influences from Asia

 That's how the recovery will work, right?

 Rgds,
 Yuta

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 *From*: Elaine Sui
 *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
 *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

 *

 In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force,
 and then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all.
 You can destabilize a country, make

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

Itu kan baru katanya, baru akan dan belum proven.., kita bicara realitas yg 
terjadi sekarang ini...

China banyak duit?? Yes, no question abuot it.., dari mana datengnya? From 
their customer.., siapa customer terbesarnya?.., you know the aswer lah...

Jadi kalau customernya bokek.., repot juga.., nah supaya si customer tetep bisa 
belanja.., boleh lah dikasih utang dulu.., why would you give your customer a 
credit??.., karena anda percaya bahwa mereka mampu untuk bayar... Nah, Ini yg 
terpenting 

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From: vaulst...@yahoo.com

Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 01:57:28 
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


You will see when china transform into domestic economy. Now you see they have 
more money than before. 

US is only a fraction of their population, I'm sure one day, they do not have 
to depend on US. 

India and all asia are the market itself. 


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-Original Message-
From: JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com

Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 01:30:49 
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


Aaah..., not to mention Facebook...LOLz..

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-Original Message-
From: JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com

Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 01:17:36 
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


Yea..yea..yea..., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's gonna 
consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.

Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do...,  I love their movie, music, junk 
food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc..., point is, look around you, 
see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is too arogan 
to say we don't need them..., lolz..


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-Original Message-
From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com

Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


*That's right!

Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any
product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot
create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and
technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field,
tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea
has the best drama TV series.. [?]

Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to us.

I have an interesting article, please read it.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html

Elaine*

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com wrote:

  So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread
 to US  Europe...


 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano yuta.tizi...@gmail.comwrote:

   If I can summarize:

 1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end of
 this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
 2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary
 those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
 3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
 economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources as
 SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic
 viewpoint
 4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences
 from Asia

 That's how the recovery will work, right?

 Rgds,
 Yuta

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 *From*: Elaine Sui
 *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
 *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

 *

 In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and
 then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You
 can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And
 [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies
 of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country,
 effectively you have colonized that country. - DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMMAD
 (July 2nd, 2001)

 I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the US
 with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US
 future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan,
 with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)

 Elaine*


 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant 
 jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote:

 Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


 Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:

 http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2ys=%5EJKSEl=offz=lq=lc=c=%5EDJI

 - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher

[ob] SOROS said: I TOLD U aka bear rally market, hehehehehe

2009-04-07 Terurut Topik kelvin Chang

tunggu aja kl index nyungsep lg, oom kite pasti omong gt dah
hehehehe

RE: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

2009-04-07 Terurut Topik JsxTrader

Untuk local, Bali still my favorite lah.., hampir setiap tahun kesana dan
ngga pernah bosen.., Cuma jangan sekali-sekali ke Bali kalau lagi ada
posisi., liburan bisa rusak..hehe.., waktu crash agustus 2007 saya pas
disana.., porto ancur.., yang ada bukannya enjoy malah merenungi nasib
dipinggir pantai .., hahaha

 

Anyway.., ANTM 1200 masih kuat tuh., let see lah., BD nunggu kita give up
kali., saya sih belagak bego aja dah.. I am still HOLD.., J

 

JT

 

From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Rei
Sent: 08 April 2009 9:38
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

 

Ah pak JT suka merendah nih... :-) I am sure you can travel anywhere
anytime.

Di Guam bagus juga pak katanya, teman saya ada yg disana (org Guam sih, baru
datang ke jakarta blm lama ini)...cuma buat relaxing. Buat yg pikir
Hawaii/Africa mungkin terlalu jauh, tapi Bali terlalu dekat hehe. Banyak
turis Jepang di sana.

 

Ngomong2 Antm 1200 tuh...Monggo buat yg belum masuk. Ptba malah sdh kuning.



 

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:33 AM, JsxTraderT jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote:

Sure I love traveling, EL..., as a matter of fact I am now sick and tired so
I need to take a vacation..., but it needs money.., and trading is one way
to get it..., hehe...,

jadi I am doing Trading for Traveling now Lolz

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From: Elaine Sui 
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:26:20 +0700 


To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

Don't you want anything else to do instead of trading? things like
traveling, you know Africa is a very exotic place for getaway. Bring your
wife and kids there, they'll like it.

Elaine

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:17 AM, JsxTraderT jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote:

Not really investing..., just trading longer.., no more daily lah.., will do
it weekly.., maybe montly if the market get even better...

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From: Elaine Sui 
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:14:02 +0700 


To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

Innovation is another thing. For Antam and BUMI they're still on track. HEY,
ARE YOU INVESTING? 

Elaine

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:08 AM, JsxTraderT jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote:

Yes mom.., they all made in china, but the inovation came from US, iPod and
iPhone are the example.., what I am going to say, the 'think' is still come
from the USA.., at least until now..., and that's very important.., kalau
ngga ada inovation, apa yg mau di produce and di jual?? Hehe

Anyway.., whatever lah, I really don't care, all I care now is our ANTM n
BUMI..., gimana EL, still on track?

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From: Elaine Sui 
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:54:28 +0700 


To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

Well, what you mention below are manufactured in China, your bank run by
Indian. Facebook and other media is owned by Jews, you drive either Japanese
or Korean car which consumes Arab oil, and you eat local food.

What? Pirated movie? that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own debt.

Elaine

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTraderT jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote:

Yea..yea..yea..., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's
gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.

Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do..., I love their movie, music, junk
food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc..., point is, look around you,
see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is too
arogan to say we don't need them..., lolz..

Sent from my BullBerryR smartphone

  _  

From: Elaine Sui 
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700 


To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

That's right!

Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any
product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot
create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and
technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field,
tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea
has the best drama TV series.. 

Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to us.

I have an interesting article, please read it.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-wit
h-china-korea.html

Elaine

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com wrote:

So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread to
US  Europe...  

 

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano yuta.tizi...@gmail.com
wrote:

If I can summarize:

1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end of
this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
2. The snowball effect

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

2009-04-07 Terurut Topik agung aja

Ride BUMI into Goceng like what you've ever said few months ago
Show me Miss eLaine
Mbah and BD-ers will support then
Good luck




regards



From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.comTo: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comSent: Wednesday, April 8, 2009 9:14:02 AMSubject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

Innovation is another thing. For Antam and BUMI they're still on track. HEY, ARE YOU INVESTING??? ?? Elaine
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:08 AM, JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo. com wrote:

Yes mom.., they all made in china, but the inovation came from US, iPod and iPhone are the example.., what I am going to say, the 'think' is still come from the USA.., at least until now..., and that's very important.., kalau ngga ada inovation, apa yg mau di produce and di jual?? HeheAnyway.., whatever lah, I really don't care, all I care now is our ANTM n BUMI..., gimana EL, still on track?
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From: Elaine Sui Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:54:28 +0700


To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. comSubject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


Well, what you mention below are manufactured in China, your bank run by Indian. Facebook and other media is owned by Jews, you drive either Japanese or Korean car which consumes Arab oil, and you eat local food.What? Pirated movie? that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own debt.Elaine
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo. com wrote:

Yea..yea..yea. .., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do..., I love their movie, music, junk food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc. .., point is, look around you, see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is too arogan to say we don't need them..., lolz..
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From: Elaine Sui Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700


To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. comSubject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


That's right!Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything.. The US cannot create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field, tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea has the best drama TV series.. Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to us.I have an interesting article, please read it.http://www.thejakar tapost.com/ news/2009/ 03/25/asean- ink-investment- pacts-with- china-korea. htmlElaine
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei highwaystar91@ gmail.com wrote:

So the recoverywould be led/startedin Asia and would eventually spread to US  Europe...



On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano yuta.tiziano@ gmail.com wrote:





If I can summarize:1.. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources as SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic viewpoint 4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences from AsiaThat's how the recovery will work, right?Rgds,Yuta 
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From: Elaine Sui Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. comSubject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
"In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country, effectively you have colonized that country." - DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001)I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the US with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan, with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)Elaine
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ centrin.net. id wrote:
Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLYTapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:http://finance. yahoo.com/ q/bc?t=2ys=%5EJKSEl=offz=lq=lc=c=%5EDJI- IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)- DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)El, What do you think ?.Will Indonesia, China and India market have different marketrally compared to

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

Hehehe ya memang sih, kalo liburan memang baiknya jangan ada posisi (kecuali
saya kali ya [?]...habis, investor 4 life [?])
Antm semoga pak, saya memang perhatikan harga cukup kuat lah.
GBU.

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 10:06 AM, JsxTrader jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote:

Untuk local, Bali still my favorite lah.., hampir setiap tahun kesana
 dan ngga pernah bosen.., Cuma jangan sekali-sekali ke Bali kalau lagi ada
 posisi…, liburan bisa rusak..hehe.., waktu crash agustus 2007 saya pas
 disana.., porto ancur.., yang ada bukannya enjoy malah merenungi nasib
 dipinggir pantai …., hahaha



 Anyway.., ANTM 1200 masih kuat tuh…, let see lah…, BD nunggu kita give up
 kali…, saya sih belagak bego aja dah…. I am still HOLD…., J



 JT



 *From:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
 obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Rei
 *Sent:* 08 April 2009 9:38
 *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY



 Ah pak JT suka merendah nih... :-) I am sure you can travel anywhere
 anytime.

 Di Guam bagus juga pak katanya, teman saya ada yg disana (org Guam sih,
 baru datang ke jakarta blm lama ini)...cuma buat relaxing. Buat yg pikir
 Hawaii/Africa mungkin terlalu jauh, tapi Bali terlalu dekat hehe. Banyak
 turis Jepang di sana.



 Ngomong2 Antm 1200 tuh...Monggo buat yg belum masuk. Ptba malah sdh
 kuning.





 On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:33 AM, JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Sure I love traveling, EL..., as a matter of fact I am now sick and tired
 so I need to take a vacation..., but it needs money.., and trading is one
 way to get it..., hehe...,

 jadi I am doing Trading for Traveling now Lolz

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 *From*: Elaine Sui
 *Date*: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:26:20 +0700


 *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

 *Don't you want anything else to do instead of trading? things like
 traveling, you know Africa is a very exotic place for getaway. Bring your
 wife and kids there, they'll like it.

 Elaine*

 On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:17 AM, JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote:

  Not really investing..., just trading longer.., no more daily lah.., will
 do it weekly.., maybe montly if the market get even better...

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 *From*: Elaine Sui
 *Date*: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:14:02 +0700


 *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

 *Innovation is another thing. For Antam and BUMI they're still on track. HEY,
 ARE YOU INVESTING?

 Elaine*

 On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:08 AM, JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Yes mom.., they all made in china, but the inovation came from US, iPod and
 iPhone are the example.., what I am going to say, the 'think' is still come
 from the USA.., at least until now..., and that's very important.., kalau
 ngga ada inovation, apa yg mau di produce and di jual?? Hehe

 Anyway.., whatever lah, I really don't care, all I care now is our ANTM n
 BUMI..., gimana EL, still on track?

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 *From*: Elaine Sui
 *Date*: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:54:28 +0700


 *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

 *Well, what you mention below are manufactured in China, your bank run by
 Indian. Facebook and other media is owned by Jews, you drive either Japanese
 or Korean car which consumes Arab oil, and you eat local food.

 What? Pirated movie? that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own
 debt.

 Elaine*

 On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Yea..yea..yea..., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's
 gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.

 Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do..., I love their movie, music,
 junk food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc..., point is, look around
 you, see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is too
 arogan to say we don't need them..., lolz..

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 *From*: Elaine Sui
 *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700


 *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

 *That's right!

 Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any
 product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot
 create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and
 technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field,
 tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea
 has the best drama TV series..

 Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to
 us.

 I have an interesting article, please read it.

 http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

2009-04-07 Terurut Topik jsx_consultant

Elaine has gone to Luanda Angola for vacation... hehehe... 

The iron lady want to have tour with rebel troop and feel
the HARD LIVING in Angola. 

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, agung aja agung.ke...@... wrote:

 Ride BUMI into Goceng like what you've ever said few months agoÂ 
 Show me Miss eLaine
 Mbah and BD-ers will support then
 Good luck
 
 
 
 
 regards
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@...
 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2009 9:14:02 AM
 Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
 
 
 Innovation is another thing. For Antam and BUMI they're still on track. HEY, 
 ARE YOU INVESTING??? ?? 
 
 Elaine
 
 
 On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:08 AM, JsxTraderâ¢ jsxtra...@yahoo. com wrote:
 
 Yes mom.., they all made in china, but the inovation came from US, iPod and 
 iPhone are the example.., what I am going to say, the 'think' is still come 
 from the USA.., at least until now..., and that's very important.., kalau 
 ngga ada inovation, apa yg mau di produce and di jual?? Hehe
 
 Anyway.., whatever lah, I really don't care, all I care now is our ANTM n 
 BUMI..., gimana EL, still on track?
 
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 From: Elaine Sui 
 Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:54:28 +0700 
 
 To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com
 Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
 
 Well, what you mention below are manufactured in China, your bank run by 
 Indian. Facebook and other media is owned by Jews, you drive either Japanese 
 or Korean car which consumes Arab oil, and you eat local food.
 
 What? Pirated movie? that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own debt.
 
 Elaine
 
 
 On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTraderâ¢ jsxtra...@yahoo. com wrote:
 
 Yea..yea..yea. .., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's 
 gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.
 
 Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do..., I love their movie, music, junk 
 food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc. .., point is, look around you, 
 see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is too 
 arogan to say we don't need them..., lolz..
 
 
 Sent from my BullBerryÂ® smartphone
 
 From: Elaine Sui 
 Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700 
 
 To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com
 Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
 
 That's right!
 
 Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any product, 
 from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot create 
 cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and technology 
 students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field, tin and coal 
 mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea has the best 
 drama TV series.. 
 
 Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to us.
 
 I have an interesting article, please read it.
 http://www.thejakar tapost.com/ news/2009/ 03/25/asean- ink-investment- 
 pacts-with- china-korea. html
 
 Elaine
 
 
 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei highwaystar91@ gmail.com wrote:
 
 So the recoveryÂ would be led/startedÂ in Asia and would eventually spread to 
 US  Europe...Â  
 
 
 
 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano yuta.tiziano@ gmail.com wrote:
 
 If I can summarize:
 
 1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end of 
 this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
 2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary 
 those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
 3.. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China economy 
 bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources as 
 SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic 
 viewpoint 
 4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences from 
 Asia
 
 That's how the recovery will work, right?
 
 Rgds,
 Yuta 
 
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 From: Elaine Sui 
 Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
 To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com
 Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
 
 
 In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and 
 then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You can 
 destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And [in 
 exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies of 
 the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country, 
 effectively you have colonized that country. - DR.. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMMAD 
 (July 2nd, 2001)
 
 I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the US 
 with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US 
 future is in the hand of China (it's

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