[obrolan-bandar] Re: To BOZZ : IPOT eTrading Habisin Juga
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote: If you EVER blame others for your investment decision, that'd be childish and you don't have what it takes to be an investor. The funniest part is I heard in Indonesia some investors BLAME on analyst' research, but the fact that they don't understand the content, they **even **can't read English..llooll.. Prinsip yg saya pegang dari dulu sampai sekarang adalah: Tidak pernah menyalahkan siapapun... Dasarnya pepatah kuno; Orang yg tidak beradab selalu menyalahkan orang lain; orang yg setengah beradab menyalahkan diri sendiri dan orang yg benar2 beradab tidak menyalahkan siapapun. **Read on.* *OB lebih kenal Oentoeng/TBumi daripada Elaine, walau kami bicara hal yang sama, Elaine probability diserang lebih besar. * Elaine... Mungkin banyak dari mereka masih ingat ketika saya ngajak naik TINS sejak harga masih 1xxx hingga 15xxx lebih...dengan sebutan little INCO. ANTM sejak 8xxx hingga 25xxx, bahkan sebelum SS sudah saya kabarkan jauh hari sebelumnya... Prediksi harga INCO akan menyamai AQUA juga pernah saya keluarkan, itu adalah puncak kejayaannya... Apalagi PTBA dimana harga 2500 aja saya pernah bilang, belon terlambat untuk beli,pdhl harga masih around 2000, dst... Itu adalah secuil masa2 indah kami (di sektor pertambangan) di saat saya menjadi bullish messengger... Artinya saya sbg bearish messenger saat ini lebih sebagai balancer buat yg sudah lupa diri seakan-akan keadaan akan membaik Time will tell the truth. One day saat bullish sdh datang, saya masih optimis mampu menunjukkan sektor bahkan saham2 yg akan menjadi IDOLA BARU... Kalau saya tidak keburu undur diri dari milis OB Karena rencana itu sudah ada sejak lama, tapi saya belum pengen undur diri dalam keadaan seperti sekarang... Dan yang jelas saya bukan index mover apapun istilah lainnya...sampe cape jelasinnya. Cuman trader biasa yg suatu hari nanti optimis akan bisa naik kelas *Be grateful with everything. * *Better understanding = better OB.*
[obrolan-bandar] Re: To BOZZ : IPOT eTrading Habisin Juga
Udah satu minggu ini, warga OB disibukkan masalah suspend SP anjloknya BUMI. Sampai2 saham yang lain jadi tidak kita perhatikan. BENAR2 SEBUAH PLANNED AGENDA YANG SUKSES. Salut BOZZ. Saya ada usul BOZZ, kalo anda baca email ini. Saya tantang Anda buktikan kehebatan Anda. Saya tidak peduli apa tujuan Anda. Kalo memang niatnya mau ngehajar investor retail, jangan tanggung2. Ayo kalo berani habisin IPOT eTrading juga. Terserah caranya gimana, mau disabotase kek, mau disuspend kek. Anda kan yang paling hebat, pikir sendiri dong gimana caranya. Huahaha... Dipikir kita takut. Ayo kalo berani! --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx- consult...@... wrote: Datanya bisa BERBEDA kalo ada penggelapan... Jika DIBANDINGKAN akan didapat SELISIH yg menunjukan penggelapan. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, abdulrahim abdulrahim abdul.rahman.rahim@ wrote: Iya dangud banget. Wong datanya yang ngirimin kita dia juga. Deadline nya kayaknya itu dari kita. Si Erry baca ultimatum warga OB wakakaka 2009/1/9 Kidod25 kidod25@: heran juga kenapa nasabah kudu nyerahin data, emang di SP dan KSEI gada datanya apa? ancur bgt dah nih http://www.sarijayasecurities.com/dmdocuments/ FORMULIR_KEPEMILIKAN_DANA_ DAN_SAHAM_NASABAH.pdf
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: To BOZZ : IPOT eTrading Habisin Juga
Yee Kalau pak Dizz masalah di SP, jangan ajak2 yang laen. Wekkk 2009/1/9 y_dizz y_d...@mail2web.com: Udah satu minggu ini, warga OB disibukkan masalah suspend SP anjloknya BUMI. Sampai2 saham yang lain jadi tidak kita perhatikan. BENAR2 SEBUAH PLANNED AGENDA YANG SUKSES. Salut BOZZ. Saya ada usul BOZZ, kalo anda baca email ini. Saya tantang Anda buktikan kehebatan Anda. Saya tidak peduli apa tujuan Anda. Kalo memang niatnya mau ngehajar investor retail, jangan tanggung2. Ayo kalo berani habisin IPOT eTrading juga. Terserah caranya gimana, mau disabotase kek, mau disuspend kek. Anda kan yang paling hebat, pikir sendiri dong gimana caranya. Huahaha... Dipikir kita takut. Ayo kalo berani! --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx- consult...@... wrote: Datanya bisa BERBEDA kalo ada penggelapan... Jika DIBANDINGKAN akan didapat SELISIH yg menunjukan penggelapan. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, abdulrahim abdulrahim abdul.rahman.rahim@ wrote: Iya dangud banget. Wong datanya yang ngirimin kita dia juga. Deadline nya kayaknya itu dari kita. Si Erry baca ultimatum warga OB wakakaka 2009/1/9 Kidod25 kidod25@: heran juga kenapa nasabah kudu nyerahin data, emang di SP dan KSEI gada datanya apa? ancur bgt dah nih http://www.sarijayasecurities.com/dmdocuments/ FORMULIR_KEPEMILIKAN_DANA_ DAN_SAHAM_NASABAH.pdf
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loh kok IPOT ama Etrading jadi kena mereka salah apa lagi jangan marah-marah dan jadi dendam ama OLT yg lain donk rejeki semua udah diatur bro Dari: y_dizz y_d...@mail2web.com Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Terkirim: Jumat, 9 Januari, 2009 22:20:45 Topik: [obrolan-bandar] Re: To BOZZ : IPOT eTrading Habisin Juga Udah satu minggu ini, warga OB disibukkan masalah suspend SP anjloknya BUMI. Sampai2 saham yang lain jadi tidak kita perhatikan. BENAR2 SEBUAH PLANNED AGENDA YANG SUKSES. Salut BOZZ. Saya ada usul BOZZ, kalo anda baca email ini. Saya tantang Anda buktikan kehebatan Anda. Saya tidak peduli apa tujuan Anda. Kalo memang niatnya mau ngehajar investor retail, jangan tanggung2. Ayo kalo berani habisin IPOT eTrading juga. Terserah caranya gimana, mau disabotase kek, mau disuspend kek. Anda kan yang paling hebat, pikir sendiri dong gimana caranya. Huahaha... Dipikir kita takut. Ayo kalo berani! --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, jsx_consultant jsx- consult...@. .. wrote: Datanya bisa BERBEDA kalo ada penggelapan. .. Jika DIBANDINGKAN akan didapat SELISIH yg menunjukan penggelapan. --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, abdulrahim abdulrahim abdul.rahman. rahim@ wrote: Iya dangud banget. Wong datanya yang ngirimin kita dia juga. Deadline nya kayaknya itu dari kita. Si Erry baca ultimatum warga OB wakakaka 2009/1/9 Kidod25 kidod25@: heran juga kenapa nasabah kudu nyerahin data, emang di SP dan KSEI gada datanya apa? ancur bgt dah nih http://www.sarijaya securities. com/dmdocuments/ FORMULIR_KEPEMILIKA N_DANA_ DAN_SAHAM_NASABAH. pdf ___ Yahoo! sekarang memiliki alamat Email baru. Dapatkan nama yang selalu Anda inginkan di domain baru @ymail dan @rocketmail. Cepat sebelum diambil orang lain! http://mail.promotions.yahoo.com/newdomains/id/
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: To BOZZ : IPOT eTrading Habisin Juga
Dear Mr Y Turut prihatin atas masalah yg Bp dan rekan-rekan lain hadapi di SP. Semoga dapat cepat diselesaikan, untuk saat ini, jaga kesehatan batin dan badan. Tetap tenang Pak Y..sabar.. On 1/9/09, y_dizz y_d...@mail2web.com wrote: Udah satu minggu ini, warga OB disibukkan masalah suspend SP anjloknya BUMI. Sampai2 saham yang lain jadi tidak kita perhatikan. BENAR2 SEBUAH PLANNED AGENDA YANG SUKSES. Salut BOZZ. Saya ada usul BOZZ, kalo anda baca email ini. Saya tantang Anda buktikan kehebatan Anda. Saya tidak peduli apa tujuan Anda. Kalo memang niatnya mau ngehajar investor retail, jangan tanggung2. Ayo kalo berani habisin IPOT eTrading juga. Terserah caranya gimana, mau disabotase kek, mau disuspend kek. Anda kan yang paling hebat, pikir sendiri dong gimana caranya. Huahaha... Dipikir kita takut. Ayo kalo berani! --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx- consult...@... wrote: Datanya bisa BERBEDA kalo ada penggelapan... Jika DIBANDINGKAN akan didapat SELISIH yg menunjukan penggelapan. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, abdulrahim abdulrahim abdul.rahman.rahim@ wrote: Iya dangud banget. Wong datanya yang ngirimin kita dia juga. Deadline nya kayaknya itu dari kita. Si Erry baca ultimatum warga OB wakakaka 2009/1/9 Kidod25 kidod25@: heran juga kenapa nasabah kudu nyerahin data, emang di SP dan KSEI gada datanya apa? ancur bgt dah nih http://www.sarijayasecurities.com/dmdocuments/ FORMULIR_KEPEMILIKAN_DANA_ DAN_SAHAM_NASABAH.pdf -- Sent from my mobile device
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: To BOZZ : IPOT eTrading Habisin Juga
*This' an example of the psychology of blame. Elaine sudah pernah kirim like nine months ago, jadi repost. **Banyak trader depressed with the market, harus ada penyaluran agar tidak gila. Ini Elaine kasih artikel bagus sekali, boleh baca. If you EVER blame others for your investment decision, that'd be childish and you don't have what it takes to be an investor. The funniest part is I heard in Indonesia some investors BLAME on analyst' research, but the fact that they don't understand the content, they **even **can't read English..llooll.. **Read on.* *The Psychology of Blame http://www.mvesc.k12.oh.us/psychology/PsychBulletins/11_90.htm * *People have a tendency to find someone to blame when bad things happen.This behavior is certainly very prevalent and easy to observe in children. The burgeoning personal liability business in our country attests to the pervasiveness of this tendency among adults as well.* *Psychological theory and research examining this observed human behavior is quite complicated and incomplete. There is some empirical data emerging to explain why people blame others but for the most part much of our understanding is based on theory and speculation. The authors cited below have developed a theory of blame prediction based on several situational and personal characteristics.* *There are four situational factors that affect the likelihood that other-blame will occur. The presence of another at the time of the event increases the probability of that person being blamed. This is why surgeons and obstetricians seem to be blamed much more frequently than general practitioners. The former are more likely to be there when a bad event occurs while the latter deal with insidious or chronic problems that have no discrete starting point. In education, it is more likely, for example, that a teacher who retains a student will be blamed for the student's academic difficulties even ten years later despite the fact that the problems were there long before the event and continued afterwards.* *Saat ada orang bicara bearish (aka bad news/contrarian), seringkali di serang, dan semakin diserah saat benar terjadi.** * *Another factor is the perceived knowledge or authority of the other person. Individuals who are knowledgeable are expected to anticipate negative outcomes and avoid them.* *Seniors di anggap bagai savior like Jesus. No, they aren't. They also want to make money like all of us.* ** *A third factor is how well known the other person is to the victim. If the victim knows the other person well, blame is less likely to result. An example of this is the greater likelihood of one driver suing another for an accident. They are usually strangers. It is much less common for an injured passenger to sue the driver of the car he or she was I since they are more likely to know each other.* *OB lebih kenal Oentoeng/TBumi daripada Elaine, walau kami bicara hal yang sama, Elaine probability diserang lebih besar. * *Finally, the more severe the outcome of the event, the more likely someone will be blamed. When two students argue in class, teachers are not usually concerned with who is to blame. In contrast, when two students fight on the playground and one is injured, it is more likely that some effort will be expended to determine who was to blame.* *Orang yang bicara bearish saat market at the top akan di blame seakan dia yang sebabkan market crash. * *There are also two personal factors that are related to the likelihood that other-blame will occur. One is the person's ability to find the good or benefit in a bad situation. This ability is characterized by statements such as Maybe it is for the better, and Some good may come out of this. Similarly, people who tend to make downward comparisons (e.g., I am fortunate for what I have. Others have lost so much more.) are less likely to blame others.* *Be grateful with everything. * *The other factor is the person's attributional style. Some people tend to find fault with others in many situations regardless of the circumstances. Every teacher has run across at least one such parent. No matter how illogical the rationale, some people cling to the need to blame others for everything bad that happens. In contrast, other people have an attributional style which leads to a tendency to blame themselves no matter how obviously blameworthy someone else is.* *In any given situation, an analysis of the interplay of these factors can lead to a better understanding of when and why other-blame takes place.* *Better understanding = better OB.* *Elaine* 2009/1/9 y_dizz y_d...@mail2web.com Udah satu minggu ini, warga OB disibukkan masalah suspend SP anjloknya BUMI. Sampai2 saham yang lain jadi tidak kita perhatikan. BENAR2 SEBUAH PLANNED AGENDA YANG SUKSES. Salut BOZZ. Saya ada usul BOZZ, kalo anda baca email ini. Saya tantang Anda buktikan kehebatan Anda. Saya tidak peduli apa tujuan Anda. Kalo memang niatnya mau ngehajar investor
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: To BOZZ : IPOT eTrading Habisin Juga
We can only blame ourselves for bad investment decision...our greed fear... For those in unfortunate situation now, please be strong and believe there's a way out. God bless! On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com wrote: *This' an example of the psychology of blame. Elaine sudah pernah kirim like nine months ago, jadi repost. **Banyak trader depressed with the market, harus ada penyaluran agar tidak gila. Ini Elaine kasih artikel bagus sekali, boleh baca. If you EVER blame others for your investment decision, that'd be childish and you don't have what it takes to be an investor. The funniest part is I heard in Indonesia some investors BLAME on analyst' research, but the fact that they don't understand the content, they **even **can't read English..llooll.. **Read on.* *The Psychology of Blame http://www.mvesc.k12.oh.us/psychology/PsychBulletins/11_90.htm * *People have a tendency to find someone to blame when bad things happen.This behavior is certainly very prevalent and easy to observe in children. The burgeoning personal liability business in our country attests to the pervasiveness of this tendency among adults as well.* *Psychological theory and research examining this observed human behavior is quite complicated and incomplete. There is some empirical data emerging to explain why people blame others but for the most part much of our understanding is based on theory and speculation. The authors cited below have developed a theory of blame prediction based on several situational and personal characteristics.* *There are four situational factors that affect the likelihood that other-blame will occur. The presence of another at the time of the event increases the probability of that person being blamed. This is why surgeons and obstetricians seem to be blamed much more frequently than general practitioners. The former are more likely to be there when a bad event occurs while the latter deal with insidious or chronic problems that have no discrete starting point. In education, it is more likely, for example, that a teacher who retains a student will be blamed for the student's academic difficulties even ten years later despite the fact that the problems were there long before the event and continued afterwards.* *Saat ada orang bicara bearish (aka bad news/contrarian), seringkali di serang, dan semakin diserah saat benar terjadi.** * *Another factor is the perceived knowledge or authority of the other person. Individuals who are knowledgeable are expected to anticipate negative outcomes and avoid them.* *Seniors di anggap bagai savior like Jesus. No, they aren't. They also want to make money like all of us.* ** *A third factor is how well known the other person is to the victim. If the victim knows the other person well, blame is less likely to result. An example of this is the greater likelihood of one driver suing another for an accident. They are usually strangers. It is much less common for an injured passenger to sue the driver of the car he or she was I since they are more likely to know each other.* *OB lebih kenal Oentoeng/TBumi daripada Elaine, walau kami bicara hal yang sama, Elaine probability diserang lebih besar. * *Finally, the more severe the outcome of the event, the more likely someone will be blamed. When two students argue in class, teachers are not usually concerned with who is to blame. In contrast, when two students fight on the playground and one is injured, it is more likely that some effort will be expended to determine who was to blame.* *Orang yang bicara bearish saat market at the top akan di blame seakan dia yang sebabkan market crash. * *There are also two personal factors that are related to the likelihood that other-blame will occur. One is the person's ability to find the good or benefit in a bad situation. This ability is characterized by statements such as Maybe it is for the better, and Some good may come out of this. Similarly, people who tend to make downward comparisons (e.g., I am fortunate for what I have. Others have lost so much more.) are less likely to blame others.* *Be grateful with everything. * *The other factor is the person's attributional style. Some people tend to find fault with others in many situations regardless of the circumstances. Every teacher has run across at least one such parent. No matter how illogical the rationale, some people cling to the need to blame others for everything bad that happens. In contrast, other people have an attributional style which leads to a tendency to blame themselves no matter how obviously blameworthy someone else is.* *In any given situation, an analysis of the interplay of these factors can lead to a better understanding of when and why other-blame takes place.* *Better understanding = better OB.* *Elaine* 2009/1/9 y_dizz y_d...@mail2web.com Udah satu minggu ini,
[obrolan-bandar] Re: To BOZZ : IPOT eTrading Habisin Juga
Dear Elaine, I never blame others for my fool decision. But, this situasion is not my fault. There's any Big Power who planned this agenda, like Embah said. How about this: http://www.detikfinance.com/read/2009/01/09/183823/1065968/6/jaminan- aset-sarijaya-tak-cukup-talangi-penggelapan-dana So clear, no one said this situation is fair, especially for retail trader like us. I hope you understand if all SP customers feel desperate for this disaster, because law inforcement in Indonesia was very bad. We don't know how long all of our investment will be back. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote: *This' an example of the psychology of blame. Elaine sudah pernah kirim like nine months ago, jadi repost. **Banyak trader depressed with the market, harus ada penyaluran agar tidak gila. Ini Elaine kasih artikel bagus sekali, boleh baca. If you EVER blame others for your investment decision, that'd be childish and you don't have what it takes to be an investor. The funniest part is I heard in Indonesia some investors BLAME on analyst' research, but the fact that they don't understand the content, they **even **can't read English..llooll.. **Read on.* *The Psychology of Blame http://www.mvesc.k12.oh.us/psychology/PsychBulletins/11_90.htm * *People have a tendency to find someone to blame when bad things happen.This behavior is certainly very prevalent and easy to observe in children. The burgeoning personal liability business in our country attests to the pervasiveness of this tendency among adults as well.* *Psychological theory and research examining this observed human behavior is quite complicated and incomplete. There is some empirical data emerging to explain why people blame others but for the most part much of our understanding is based on theory and speculation. The authors cited below have developed a theory of blame prediction based on several situational and personal characteristics.* *There are four situational factors that affect the likelihood that other-blame will occur. The presence of another at the time of the event increases the probability of that person being blamed. This is why surgeons and obstetricians seem to be blamed much more frequently than general practitioners. The former are more likely to be there when a bad event occurs while the latter deal with insidious or chronic problems that have no discrete starting point. In education, it is more likely, for example, that a teacher who retains a student will be blamed for the student's academic difficulties even ten years later despite the fact that the problems were there long before the event and continued afterwards.* *Saat ada orang bicara bearish (aka bad news/contrarian), seringkali di serang, dan semakin diserah saat benar terjadi.** * *Another factor is the perceived knowledge or authority of the other person. Individuals who are knowledgeable are expected to anticipate negative outcomes and avoid them.* *Seniors di anggap bagai savior like Jesus. No, they aren't. They also want to make money like all of us.* ** *A third factor is how well known the other person is to the victim. If the victim knows the other person well, blame is less likely to result. An example of this is the greater likelihood of one driver suing another for an accident. They are usually strangers. It is much less common for an injured passenger to sue the driver of the car he or she was I since they are more likely to know each other.* *OB lebih kenal Oentoeng/TBumi daripada Elaine, walau kami bicara hal yang sama, Elaine probability diserang lebih besar. * *Finally, the more severe the outcome of the event, the more likely someone will be blamed. When two students argue in class, teachers are not usually concerned with who is to blame. In contrast, when two students fight on the playground and one is injured, it is more likely that some effort will be expended to determine who was to blame.* *Orang yang bicara bearish saat market at the top akan di blame seakan dia yang sebabkan market crash. * *There are also two personal factors that are related to the likelihood that other-blame will occur. One is the person's ability to find the good or benefit in a bad situation. This ability is characterized by statements such as Maybe it is for the better, and Some good may come out of this. Similarly, people who tend to make downward comparisons (e.g., I am fortunate for what I have. Others have lost so much more.) are less likely to blame others.* *Be grateful with everything. * *The other factor is the person's attributional style. Some people tend to find fault with others in many situations regardless of the circumstances. Every teacher has run across at least one such parent. No matter how illogical the rationale, some people cling to the need to blame others for
