Re: [onap-tsc] Edge Automation working group proposal

2018-10-12 Thread Alla Goldner 
Hi,

Currently, we have TSC structured and including e.g. architecture, use case, 
modelling subcommittees etc. i.e. not split per particular technical area (e.g. 
Edge Automation, cloud native etc.), but per tasks the group must accomplish.
I am in favor of continuing with the existing structure.
Each of the "task forces" has no limitations on contacting with external Open 
source or Standards communities. I tend to agree with Ramki we should not call 
it "task force" any longer, as task force has (typically) limited timeframe and 
responsibility. One way is (similar to standards) to appoint/elect Rapporteur 
(we can call it coordinator or any other appropriate word) and call it "work" 
or "study" item (or any other more appropriate word)  - terminology is rather a 
minor thing and can easily be resolved.




Best regards,

Alla Goldner

Open Network Division
Amdocs Technology


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Srini
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Hi Pasi and all,

Thank  you for the input. I sent one response to Catherine. Our emails crossed.

This group is trying to gather requirements(such as MEC, Distributed analytics, 
scaling, security, regulatory,  constrained environments),  figure out the 
architecture with ONAP to meet those requirements, identify gaps and feed them 
to various existing subcommittees. I agree that much of the output (can be new) 
 that comes out of Edge group may be generic in nature.

Team is also very flexible in listening for ideas on best way to take this 
forward - Status Quo as it is today (working group under use case subcommittee 
with additional coordinator position),  Edge subcommittee or a task force under 
TSC. The term 'task force' does not appeal to me as it appears that it is for a 
task and give impression that it is temporary.

I don't want to get ahead of what the edge group plans to present in TSC :).  I 
think team will get chance to present this  in next TSC and we can go from 
there.

Thanks
Srini

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On 10/12/2018 07:30 AM, Catherine LEFEVRE wrote:
Good morning Srini,

Thank you for sharing the work that has been accomplished by the "Edge 
Automation" working group.

One of our major ONAP Community challenges is the prioritization of our 
activities.
I am concerned that the creation of a 6th subcommittee will increase the 
complexity we are already facing today
to determine what can be accomplished on a release basis considering our 
development/testing capacity and then to deliver our commitments on time and 
quality.

Have you explored the possibility that the "Edge Automation" working group 
could be part of one of the existing subcommittees i.e. Architecture or Use 
Case subcommittees
even if dedicated sessions/task force activities are organized related to this 
topic ?

+1 - what is fundamentally required to enable edge use cases with ONAP services 
with minimal duplication of efforts / maximum re-use are enabling architectural 
changes, not entirely new "thing" on the side.

As such, IMHO, this would be a better fit as an Architecture subcommittee 
related task force.

Best regards,

Pasi
Best regards
Catherine
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Subject: [onap-tsc] Edge Automation working group proposal

Hi TSC,

As you all know, Edge automation working group is formed in April/May of this 
year as ADHOC group. Its intention is to  identify ONAP requirements that arise 
from supporting various kinds of edges/edge applications  and propose those 
requirements as functional,  closed loop, security, architecture inputs to 
various subcommittees.  This is being co-chaired by Ramki and Raghu. This group 
meets on weekly basis and continue to attract multiple stake holders.

Tomorrow, Ramki & Raghu are presenting a proposal to take Edge automation 
working group to next level to bring industry-wide visibility and visibility 
within the ONAP community.  Formalization of the group in ONAP charter is the 
step the group wants to propose tomorrow.

Please see the proposal here:  
https://wiki.onap.org/display/DW/Edge+Sub-committee+creation+proposal<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__wiki.onap.org_display_DW_Edge-2BSub-2Dcommittee-2Bcreation-2Bproposal=DwMFAg=LFYZ-o9_H

Re: [onap-tsc] Edge Automation working group proposal

2018-10-12 Thread Srini 
Hi Pasi and all,

Thank  you for the input. I sent one response to Catherine. Our emails crossed.

This group is trying to gather requirements(such as MEC, Distributed analytics, 
scaling, security, regulatory,  constrained environments),  figure out the 
architecture with ONAP to meet those requirements, identify gaps and feed them 
to various existing subcommittees. I agree that much of the output (can be new) 
 that comes out of Edge group may be generic in nature.

Team is also very flexible in listening for ideas on best way to take this 
forward - Status Quo as it is today (working group under use case subcommittee 
with additional coordinator position),  Edge subcommittee or a task force under 
TSC. The term 'task force' does not appeal to me as it appears that it is for a 
task and give impression that it is temporary.

I don't want to get ahead of what the edge group plans to present in TSC :).  I 
think team will get chance to present this  in next TSC and we can go from 
there.

Thanks
Srini

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To: onap-tsc@lists.onap.org
Subject: Re: [onap-tsc] Edge Automation working group proposal




On 10/12/2018 07:30 AM, Catherine LEFEVRE wrote:
Good morning Srini,

Thank you for sharing the work that has been accomplished by the "Edge 
Automation" working group.

One of our major ONAP Community challenges is the prioritization of our 
activities.
I am concerned that the creation of a 6th subcommittee will increase the 
complexity we are already facing today
to determine what can be accomplished on a release basis considering our 
development/testing capacity and then to deliver our commitments on time and 
quality.

Have you explored the possibility that the "Edge Automation" working group 
could be part of one of the existing subcommittees i.e. Architecture or Use 
Case subcommittees
even if dedicated sessions/task force activities are organized related to this 
topic ?

+1 - what is fundamentally required to enable edge use cases with ONAP services 
with minimal duplication of efforts / maximum re-use are enabling architectural 
changes, not entirely new "thing" on the side.

As such, IMHO, this would be a better fit as an Architecture subcommittee 
related task force.

Best regards,

Pasi

Best regards
Catherine
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Subject: [onap-tsc] Edge Automation working group proposal

Hi TSC,

As you all know, Edge automation working group is formed in April/May of this 
year as ADHOC group. Its intention is to  identify ONAP requirements that arise 
from supporting various kinds of edges/edge applications  and propose those 
requirements as functional,  closed loop, security, architecture inputs to 
various subcommittees.  This is being co-chaired by Ramki and Raghu. This group 
meets on weekly basis and continue to attract multiple stake holders.

Tomorrow, Ramki & Raghu are presenting a proposal to take Edge automation 
working group to next level to bring industry-wide visibility and visibility 
within the ONAP community.  Formalization of the group in ONAP charter is the 
step the group wants to propose tomorrow.

Please see the proposal here:  
https://wiki.onap.org/display/DW/Edge+Sub-committee+creation+proposal<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__wiki.onap.org_display_DW_Edge-2BSub-2Dcommittee-2Bcreation-2Bproposal=DwMFAg=LFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg=ZglJ8LOeAfevY7wWaSximhFMAzXaMdza5QYCg-DW6SU=aowlSSV3c29kMC_TzkQzurCs88DAw9YnFDMNS8PyBtk=T7fbofIwugI2fd1YCOsbebJVrEa-Ertu19evct8ETjY=>
Presentation deck here:  
https://wiki.onap.org/download/attachments/28379482/ONAP-edge-proposal-v1.pptx?api=v2<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__wiki.onap.org_download_attachments_28379482_ONAP-2Dedge-2Dproposal-2Dv1.pptx-3Fapi-3Dv2=DwMFAg=LFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg=ZglJ8LOeAfevY7wWaSximhFMAzXaMdza5QYCg-DW6SU=aowlSSV3c29kMC_TzkQzurCs88DAw9YnFDMNS8PyBtk=GbUBODPE46f4yK_2eC4KoMSgYuiUlZEEZURVWR0_mNg=>

Looking forward to your support.

Thanks
Srini






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Re: [onap-tsc] Edge Automation working group proposal

2018-10-12 Thread Pasi Vaananen 


On 10/12/2018 07:30 AM, Catherine LEFEVRE wrote:
>
> Good morning Srini,
>
>  
>
> Thank you for sharing the work that has been accomplished by the “Edge
> Automation” working group.
>
>  
>
> One of our major ONAP Community challenges is the prioritization of
> our activities.
>
> I am concerned that the creation of a 6th subcommittee will increase
> the complexity we are already facing today
>
> to determine what can be accomplished on a release basis considering
> our development/testing capacity and then to deliver our commitments
> on time and quality.
>
>  
>
> Have you explored the possibility that the “Edge Automation” working
> group could be part of one of the existing subcommittees i.e.
> Architecture or Use Case subcommittees
>
> even if dedicated sessions/task force activities are organized related
> to this topic ?
>
>  
>
+1 - what is fundamentally required to enable edge use cases with ONAP
services with minimal duplication of efforts / maximum re-use are
enabling architectural changes, not entirely new "thing" on the side.

As such, IMHO, this would be a better fit as an Architecture
subcommittee related task force.

Best regards,

Pasi
>
> Best regards
>
> Catherine
>
> *From:* onap-tsc@lists.onap.org [mailto:onap-tsc@lists.onap.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Srini
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 11, 2018 1:31 AM
> *To:* ONAP-TSC@lists.onap.org
> *Subject:* [onap-tsc] Edge Automation working group proposal
>
>  
>
> Hi TSC,
>
>  
>
> As you all know, Edge automation working group is formed in April/May
> of this year as ADHOC group. Its intention is to  identify ONAP
> requirements that arise from supporting various kinds of edges/edge
> applications  and propose those requirements as functional,  closed
> loop, security, architecture inputs to various subcommittees.  This is
> being co-chaired by Ramki and Raghu. This group meets on weekly basis
> and continue to attract multiple stake holders. 
>
>  
>
> Tomorrow, Ramki & Raghu are presenting a proposal to take Edge
> automation working group to next level to bring industry-wide
> visibility and visibility within the ONAP community.  Formalization of
> the group in ONAP charter is the step the group wants to propose tomorrow.
>
>  
>
> Please see the proposal here: 
> https://wiki.onap.org/display/DW/Edge+Sub-committee+creation+proposal
> 
>
> Presentation deck here:
>  
> https://wiki.onap.org/download/attachments/28379482/ONAP-edge-proposal-v1.pptx?api=v2
> 
>
>  
>
> Looking forward to your support.
>
>  
>
> Thanks
>
> Srini
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> 


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Re: [onap-tsc] Edge Automation working group proposal

2018-10-12 Thread Srini 
Hi Catherine,

Thank you for the email.

Based on the discussions in last edge-automation working group and also the 
slide deck, the working model is no different from current model. That is, 
output of this group will be fed as another input to various other 
subcommittees. So, there is no additional complexity.   Group is only asking to 
increase the visibility in ONAP member companies as well as to other edge 
related open source projects/standard-bodies by making official ONAP entity. 
Also, group provided two options. 1. Making it subcommittee 2. Increase 
visibility by other means + creating coordinator position.  Group preference is 
option 1.  But, it is up to TSC to decide.

Just for easy reference, I am adding the picture from the presentation deck.  
This is the working model now and continue to be working model even after 
making it as subcommittee.

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To: onap-tsc@lists.onap.org
Subject: Re: [onap-tsc] Edge Automation working group proposal

Good morning Srini,

Thank you for sharing the work that has been accomplished by the "Edge 
Automation" working group.

One of our major ONAP Community challenges is the prioritization of our 
activities.
I am concerned that the creation of a 6th subcommittee will increase the 
complexity we are already facing today
to determine what can be accomplished on a release basis considering our 
development/testing capacity and then to deliver our commitments on time and 
quality.

Have you explored the possibility that the "Edge Automation" working group 
could be part of one of the existing subcommittees i.e. Architecture or Use 
Case subcommittees
even if dedicated sessions/task force activities are organized related to this 
topic ?

Best regards
Catherine
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To: ONAP-TSC@lists.onap.org<mailto:ONAP-TSC@lists.onap.org>
Subject: [onap-tsc] Edge Automation working group proposal

Hi TSC,

As you all know, Edge automation working group is formed in April/May of this 
year as ADHOC group. Its intention is to  identify ONAP requirements that arise 
from supporting various kinds of edges/edge applications  and propose those 
requirements as functional,  closed loop, security, architecture inputs to 
various subcommittees.  This is being co-chaired by Ramki and Raghu. This group 
meets on weekly basis and continue to attract multiple stake holders.

Tomorrow, Ramki & Raghu are presenting a proposal to take Edge automation 
working group to next level to bring industry-wide visibility and visibility 
within the ONAP community.  Formalization of the group in ONAP charter is the 
step the group wants to propose tomorrow.

Please see the proposal here:  
https://wiki.onap.org/display/DW/Edge+Sub-committee+creation+proposal<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__wiki.onap.org_display_DW_Edge-2BSub-2Dcommittee-2Bcreation-2Bproposal=DwMFAg=LFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg=ZglJ8LOeAfevY7wWaSximhFMAzXaMdza5QYCg-DW6SU=aowlSSV3c29kMC_TzkQzurCs88DAw9YnFDMNS8PyBtk=T7fbofIwugI2fd1YCOsbebJVrEa-Ertu19evct8ETjY=>
Presentation deck here:  
https://wiki.onap.org/download/attachments/28379482/ONAP-edge-proposal-v1.pptx?api=v2<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__wiki.onap.org_download_attachments_28379482_ONAP-2Dedge-2Dproposal-2Dv1.pptx-3Fapi-3Dv2=DwMFAg=LFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg=ZglJ8LOeAfevY7wWaSximhFMAzXaMdza5QYCg-DW6SU=aowlSSV3c29kMC_TzkQzurCs88DAw9YnFDMNS8PyBtk=GbUBODPE46f4yK_2eC4KoMSgYuiUlZEEZURVWR0_mNg=>

Looking forward to your support.

Thanks
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Re: [onap-tsc] Edge Automation working group proposal

2018-10-12 Thread Catherine LEFEVRE 
Good morning Srini,

Thank you for sharing the work that has been accomplished by the "Edge 
Automation" working group.

One of our major ONAP Community challenges is the prioritization of our 
activities.
I am concerned that the creation of a 6th subcommittee will increase the 
complexity we are already facing today
to determine what can be accomplished on a release basis considering our 
development/testing capacity and then to deliver our commitments on time and 
quality.

Have you explored the possibility that the "Edge Automation" working group 
could be part of one of the existing subcommittees i.e. Architecture or Use 
Case subcommittees
even if dedicated sessions/task force activities are organized related to this 
topic ?

Best regards
Catherine
From: onap-tsc@lists.onap.org [mailto:onap-tsc@lists.onap.org] On Behalf Of 
Srini
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 1:31 AM
To: ONAP-TSC@lists.onap.org
Subject: [onap-tsc] Edge Automation working group proposal

Hi TSC,

As you all know, Edge automation working group is formed in April/May of this 
year as ADHOC group. Its intention is to  identify ONAP requirements that arise 
from supporting various kinds of edges/edge applications  and propose those 
requirements as functional,  closed loop, security, architecture inputs to 
various subcommittees.  This is being co-chaired by Ramki and Raghu. This group 
meets on weekly basis and continue to attract multiple stake holders.

Tomorrow, Ramki & Raghu are presenting a proposal to take Edge automation 
working group to next level to bring industry-wide visibility and visibility 
within the ONAP community.  Formalization of the group in ONAP charter is the 
step the group wants to propose tomorrow.

Please see the proposal here:  
https://wiki.onap.org/display/DW/Edge+Sub-committee+creation+proposal
Presentation deck here:  
https://wiki.onap.org/download/attachments/28379482/ONAP-edge-proposal-v1.pptx?api=v2

Looking forward to your support.

Thanks
Srini





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Re: [onap-tsc] Edge Automation working group proposal

2018-10-11 Thread ramki krishnan 
Dear Srini,

Many thanks for the introduction.

Dear TSC,

Since we ran out time in today's TSC meeting, we are planning on presenting on 
this topic in the TSC meeting on 10/18. Meanwhile, looking forward to your 
offline feedback as well.

Thanks,
Ramki

From: onap-tsc@lists.onap.org  On Behalf Of Srini
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To: ONAP-TSC@lists.onap.org
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Hi TSC,

As you all know, Edge automation working group is formed in April/May of this 
year as ADHOC group. Its intention is to  identify ONAP requirements that arise 
from supporting various kinds of edges/edge applications  and propose those 
requirements as functional,  closed loop, security, architecture inputs to 
various subcommittees.  This is being co-chaired by Ramki and Raghu. This group 
meets on weekly basis and continue to attract multiple stake holders.

Tomorrow, Ramki & Raghu are presenting a proposal to take Edge automation 
working group to next level to bring industry-wide visibility and visibility 
within the ONAP community.  Formalization of the group in ONAP charter is the 
step the group wants to propose tomorrow.

Please see the proposal here:  
https://wiki.onap.org/display/DW/Edge+Sub-committee+creation+proposal
Presentation deck here:  
https://wiki.onap.org/download/attachments/28379482/ONAP-edge-proposal-v1.pptx?api=v2

Looking forward to your support.

Thanks
Srini





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