Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Record Buckets in 3.4
Thanks, Andrea, I was so hoping for a politely worded response that gently pointed out that I was overlooking the record bucket on the Item Status action menu. On the bright side, at least I don’t feel like idiot who could not see the obvious “Click here to put this in the record bucket.” Thanks for pointing out the workaround. It will get me rolling forward again. A slow process is better than none, at least in this case. Deanna From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Andrea Buntz Neiman Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2019 3:25 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Record Buckets in 3.4 Hi Deanna, You're not overlooking it, this is a known bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1760193 The bug report notes a workaround, but you'll have to add them one at a time. Andrea On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 3:46 PM Deanna Frazee mailto:dfra...@killeentexas.gov>> wrote: We recently upgraded to 3.4, and I seem to have lost the ability to create a record bucket from the Item Status screen. Before (2.12.x), I would import a list of barcodes of items to be deleted into the Item Status screen and create both an item bucket and a record bucket from them. Next I would delete the item bucket and then the record bucket. Is there a way to create a record bucket from the Item Status screen? Or am I just overlooking it. Thanks, Deanna Frazee Director of Library Services Killeen Public Library City of Killeen, Texas 254-501-8995 (office) 254-501-7704 (fax) dfra...@killeentexas.gov<mailto:http://dfra...@killeentexas.gov> www.killeentexas.gov<http://www.killeentexas.gov/> Dedicated Service – Every Day, for Everyone! -- Andrea Buntz Neiman Project Manager for Software Development Equinox Open Library Initiative abnei...@equinoxinitiative.org<mailto:abnei...@equinoxinitiative.org> 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) x5583 www.equinoxinitiative.org<http://www.equinoxinitiative.org>
[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Record Buckets in 3.4
We recently upgraded to 3.4, and I seem to have lost the ability to create a record bucket from the Item Status screen. Before (2.12.x), I would import a list of barcodes of items to be deleted into the Item Status screen and create both an item bucket and a record bucket from them. Next I would delete the item bucket and then the record bucket. Is there a way to create a record bucket from the Item Status screen? Or am I just overlooking it. Thanks, Deanna Frazee Director of Library Services Killeen Public Library City of Killeen, Texas 254-501-8995 (office) 254-501-7704 (fax) dfra...@killeentexas.gov<mailto:http://dfra...@killeentexas.gov> www.killeentexas.gov<http://www.killeentexas.gov/> Dedicated Service - Every Day, for Everyone!
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] C/W MARS Evergreen Review Report
Tim, Thank you for sharing this. It is very helpful! Deanna Frazee Killeen City Library System City of Killeen, Texas 254-501-8995 (office) 254-501-7704 (fax) dfra...@killeentexas.gov<mailto:http://dfra...@killeentexas.gov> www.killeentexas.gov<http://www.killeentexas.gov/> Dedicated Service – Every Day, for Everyone! From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Tim Spindler Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 10:51 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] C/W MARS Evergreen Review Report C/W MARS conducted a review of Evergreen after 5 years of use. My board asked that I share this review with the Evergreen Community because they felt it might benefit Evergreen users. The link to the report is below. Please be aware that the libraries in our network were on Evergreen 2.10 when the review was conducted. C/W MARS Evergreen Review Report<https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BwdUgxEmWFdEN2lZQlFqNFZBb3M> More information about our network can be found here<http://www.cwmars.org/content/about-us> -- Tim Spindler | Executive Director tspind...@cwmars.org<mailto:tspind...@cwmars.org> | 508-755-3323 x120<tel:(508)%20755-3323> C/W MARS | http://www.cwmars.org<http://www.cwmars.org/> 67 Millbrook St., Ste. 201 Worcester, MA 01606
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Question on Patron Hold Limit
I limited holds for our patrons to 15 a couple of years ago. I do not recall seeing a way to limit by the type of hold, but I wasn’t really looking for that. I just wanted to stop people from putting an insane number of items on hold and then having to tell them that they could only check out 10 of the 25 items that had triggered. For the patrons that already had more than the limit, their existing holds stayed put. But they were not able to place more items on hold until those cleared down below the limit. Our only issue was that we initially set the limit to 10, which was too low since people can place holds on pre-pub items. Of course, we are just a two-branch library so this information may not work the same in a consortial setting. Good luck! Deanna Deanna Frazee Director of Library Services Killeen City Library System City of Killeen, Texas 254-501-8995 (office) 254-501-7704 (fax) dfra...@killeentexas.gov<mailto:http://dfra...@killeentexas.gov> www.killeentexas.gov<http://www.killeentexas.gov/> Dedicated Service – Every Day, for Everyone! From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Amy Terlaga Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:48 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Question on Patron Hold Limit Hi all-- We here at Bibliomation *think* there is a way in Evergreen to set consortially a limit on the total number of hold requests that can be placed for patrons. For instance, we're thinking of restricting it to 5 total at one time for all patrons. Has anyone on the list limited the number of total requests? Can it be done for just title requests? What happens to those patrons that already have, say, 30 requests, and we put this into place? Do they have to wait until their requests get down to 4 before another one will go through? Any information provided on this feature would be greatly appreciated. Since we're not even sure if this feature exists, we have no idea how to set it. Thanks! Amy -- +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Amy Terlaga Director of Member Services Bibliomation, Inc. 24 Wooster Avenue Waterbury, CT 06708 (203)577-4070 x101 terl...@biblio.org<mailto:terl...@biblio.org>
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Statiscial Categories report question
Would you mind sharing your solution? Getting circulation data from the stat cats has eluded me for some time now. Thanks, Deanna Frazee Director of Library Services Killeen City Library System City of Killeen, Texas 254-501-8995 (office) 254-501-7704 (fax) dfra...@killeentexas.gov<mailto:http://dfra...@killeentexas.gov> www.killeentexas.gov<http://www.killeentexas.gov/> Dedicated Service - Every Day, for Everyone! From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Sharon Douglas Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 3:39 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Statiscial Categories report question You know how, when you've given up and decide to ask the collective for ideas? That's what I did. And while I waited for one of you to quickly jump in with the best tip ever... I decided to try one more thing, and wouldn't you know, I figured it out. So thanks for reading my email Next time I'm stuck, I'll take a coffee break and give my brain a little time to think of some idea I'd not yet tried. And only after that will I send out an email. Sharon From: Sharon Douglas Sent: Thursday, 28 January, 2016 3:10 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group (open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org<mailto:open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>) Subject: Statiscial Categories report question Hello everyone, We are new to Evergreen (by a few months) and I'm finally ready to gather statistical data, but I can't find it when putting together a report template. We have 9 specialized stat cats and I'd like to gather circulation data for each, but can't figure out where in the report feature to get at that data. I'm adding a screen shot with some of the stat cat data I need showing near the green areas. Please offer tips on finding this data. Sharon Douglas Lake Agassiz Regional Library [cid:image001.png@01D159E7.F4A18AC0]
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] adding books and materials to library catalog
Another useful converter is the one for movies that uses IMDB: http://amazon.libcat.org/cgi-bin/imdb2marc.pl Deanna Frazee illeen City Library System City of Killeen, Texas 254-501-8995 (office) 254-501-7704 (fax) dfra...@killeentexas.govmailto:http://dfra...@killeentexas.gov www.killeentexas.govhttp://www.killeentexas.gov/ Dedicated Service – Every Day, for Everyone! From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Hardy, Elaine Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 8:06 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] adding books and materials to library catalog MARC stands for Machine Readable Cataloging and is a carrier format for bibliographic data. The link Ruth set is a good source for background and specifics. There is an Amazon to MARC converter (http://chopac.org/cgi-bin/tools/az2marc.pl). The records are extremely brief and more suited toward acquisitions records than cataloging records (they don’t have subjects and the name headings (authors, editors, performers, etc.) are not what we would use in cataloging); but, they might help you to get a few records in your database. The MARC record from the converter for The Martian by Andy Weir is: 000 0nam 220 a 4500 001 ASIN0804139024 008 150310s2014xxu eng d 0200804139024 (hardcover) |c $24.00 0209780804139021 (hardcover) 100 1 Weir, Andy. 245 14 The martian : |b a novel / |c Andy Weir. 250First Edition. 260[S.l.] : |b Crown, |c 2014. 300384 p. ; |c 25 cm. 520Six days ago, astronaut Mark Watney became one of the first people to walk on Mars. Now, he's sure he'll be the first person to die there. After a dust storm nearly kills him and forces his crew to evacuate while thinking him dead, Mark finds himself stranded and completely alone with no way to even signal Earth that he’s alive—and even if he could get word out, his supplies would be gone long before a rescue could arrive. Chances are, though, he won't have time to starve to death. The damaged machinery, unforgiving environment, or plain-old human error are much more likely to kill him first. But Mark isn't ready to give up yet. Drawing on his ingenuity, his engineering skills—and a relentless, dogged refusal to quit—he steadfastly confronts one seemingly insurmountable obstacle after the next. Will his resourcefulness be enough to overcome the impossible odds against him? 856 40 |3 Amazon.com |u http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0804139024/chopaconline-20 To see what the record looks like as cataloged by the Library of Congress (DLC or LC) from OCLC’s WorldCat database, see the PINES catalog at: http://gapines.org/eg/opac/record/5658405?query=martian%20weir;qtype=keyword;locg=1;expand=marchtml#marchtml (you may need to scroll down to see the MARC) Elaine J. Elaine Hardy PINES Collaborative Projects Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Ste 150 Atlanta, Ga. 30345-4304 404.235.7128 404.235.7201, fax eha...@georgialibraries.orgmailto:eha...@georgialibraries.org www.georgialibraries.orghttp://www.georgialibraries.org www.georgialibraries.org/pineshttp://www.georgialibraries.org/pines From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Howard Canning Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 3:42 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] adding books and materials to library catalog Ok thanks all. The responses have been great. I'm very eager to learn all about this and indeed your experiences with evergreen. Let me see if I can find that book, Ben. :) Again thanks. On Mar 9, 2015 2:08 PM, Ben Shum bs...@biblio.orgmailto:bs...@biblio.org wrote: Well, for whatever it's worth, I selected Library of Congress as my source on a 2.7 test server and then did a title search for A First Course in Abstract Algebra and my first hit was a 2015 bib record for that material out of 14 hits. When I did an ISBN search on the 10-digit ISBN, I got the same record exactly. So, there are bib records with that particular example in existence. The quality of bib records will vary depending on who created the record and what information was or was not included and whether it was all accurate. I know we make use of cataloging services, like OCLC. But there are lots of potential z39.50 databases to draw from around the world (like lists at http://irspy.indexdata.com/). -- Ben** **who is *not* a cataloger and will respectfully step back away from the rest of discussing library cataloging practices... On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Howard Canning hcann...@bluehills.orgmailto:hcann...@bluehills.org wrote: No. I find the software interesting and just starting out learning it. How for example would I add http://www.amazon.com/First-Course-Abstract-Algebra-Groups/dp/1482245523/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8qid=1425922030sr=8-2keywords=algebra+first+course+3rd+edition to evergreen
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] straw poll, call numbers in check-in screen
Yes, please restore it. Having the call number as on option on the check in screen can be very helpful when you are trying to identify problems. Deanna Frazee Killeen City Library System -Original Message- From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Jason Etheridge Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 10:39 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] straw poll, call numbers in check-in screen In EG 2.1, we--well, I, this was before we started doing sign-offs--removed the call number column from the list in the Check In interface (in the name of fewer network calls and improved performance), and maybe should not have. I know of at least two libraries that miss it. How do others feel? Should it be restored outright, or made into a configurable option? Thanks! -- Jason Etheridge | Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts | phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) | email: ja...@esilibrary.com | web: http://www.esilibrary.com
[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] kcs: ISBN-specific search index
Can anyone tell me what the search index is for ISBN-specific searches? I'm trying to set up our Ingram iPage account to match against our catalog on ISBN's to prevent unintended order duplications. Deanna Frazee Killeen
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] ***SPAM*** Re: Brand new to open ILS- questions
I’ll throw in my support for going open source. We are a mid-size library without ILS support staff, so we contracted for that service. It’s worked out pretty well for us, and I’d definitely go open source again if I had it all to do over. Evergreen is evolving, like any other ILS should, but it seems to me that the enhancements are much more responsive to what the users say they want. On our previous ILS, enhancements were driven by the few largest institutions at the top. With Evergreen, we no longer face that problem. Not that we have lots of money for hiring someone to do custom programming, but if we do suddenly find a pot of gold laying around, we might do a few things. Deanna Deanna Frazee Director of Library Services Killeen City Library System 205 E. Church Ave. Killeen, TX 76541 254-501-8995 dfra...@ci.killeen.tx.us From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Ian Walls Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 1:06 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] ***SPAM*** Re: Brand new to open ILS- questions Cathy, I'm biased. I definitely think you should go open source if at all possible. Both Evergreen and Koha are great choices for an ILS, and you've got lots of options for both paid and free support from either community. You will need a Linux server in either case; you say you don't have an IT person anymore, so I would recommend looking at support partners who could provide you with hosted solution, so you don't have to fiddle with a local server. Once you migrate to an open source ILS, you'll find it MUCH easier to access your data if you ever feel the need to migrate again (though, since YOU have a say in what your open source ILS does, you may never need to!). As a long-term choice, it can't be beat. Cheers, -Ian On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Lori Bowen Ayre lori.a...@galecia.commailto:lori.a...@galecia.com wrote: Cathy, Evergreen (the server side) runs on Linux. The client software runs on Windows 7 just fine. Not sure if the server side is of concern to you. You can, of course, contract with a vendor to host the server (which might be a good idea for you anyway). FYI, you may also want to look at Koha (koha-community.orghttp://koha-community.org). It also runs on Linux (server side) but there is no client software. It is 100% browser based. Lori =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Lori Bowen Ayre // Library Technology Consultant / The Galecia Group Oversight Board Communications Committee / Evergreen (707) 763-6869tel:%28707%29%20763-6869 // lori.a...@galecia.commailto:lori.a...@galecia.com Specializing in open source ILS solutions, RFID, filtering, workflow optimization, and materials handling =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Pierce, Cathy cpie...@militaryschool.commailto:cpie...@militaryschool.com wrote: Hello, I am trying to figure out if open ILS will work for my small private school library, but I am completely new to the concept and I'm not a tech expert, so I'm hoping someone out there can give me some advice. I have only recently learned that open ILS exists, and just last week found out that my current library software will probably not be compatible with the upgrade to Windows 7 that my school is working on completing by the end of the year. We no longer have an IT person on staff, so I'm not sure of what questions I need to ask in order to determine whether I should attempt to convert to something like Evergreen, or if I should just stick with an off the shelf product. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thank you in advance for your help. Sincerely, Cathy Pierce CPT Catherine Cathy Pierce Librarian/Testing Coordinator Massanutten Military Academy 540-259-2167 ext. 250tel:540-259-2167%20ext.%20250 Non Nobis Solum -- Ian Walls Lead Development Specialist ByWater Solutions Phone # (888) 900-8944 http://bywatersolutions.com ian.wa...@bywatersolutions.commailto:ian.wa...@bywatersolutions.com Twitter: @sekjal
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Pull list fields
Ben, That is very good news. Most of my staff don't bother to print the hold list, they just jot down a few notes to help them remember any details that they might not remember. The field we want to add is the item type since that helps us determine where certain series and award books are kept if they have been separated from the rest of their particular collection. It sounds like the display in 2.0 may be the answer to our problem, and I have my fingers crossed that 2.1 has the same feature. Thanks for the help! Deanna From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Ben Shum Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 5:53 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Pull list fields Hi Deanna, In 2.0 (and presumably 2.1+), the pull list display in the staff client seems pretty dynamic, allowing you to sort and add many other columns to view information about hold requests. When it comes to printing that information though, the template for the printed pull list remains fairly static and similar to what I remember from our time on 1.6.1. There are two print options for the pull list, the print full pull list is the regular one, but the print full pull list (alternate strategy) seems to have a slightly nicer styling applied. Noticeably, the alternate strategy printed pull list can be ordered by copy locations, which makes grouping and ordering of the hold requests easier to find in the library. What other fields were you hoping to have added to the pull list display? Perhaps this is something that can be changed locally in your future Evergreen system. -- Ben On 10/27/2011 6:21 PM, Deanna Frazee wrote: We are running 1.6.1.4 but plan to upgrade to 2.1 sometime next month. One of the frustrations in 1.6.x for us is that the pull list fields are fixed. Can anyone tell me if additional fields can be added to the pull list in 2.1? Thanks, Deanna Frazee Killeen City Library System -- Benjamin Shum Open Source Software Coordinator Bibliomation, Inc. 32 Crest Road Middlebury, CT 06762 203-577-4070, ext. 113
[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Pull list fields
We are running 1.6.1.4 but plan to upgrade to 2.1 sometime next month. One of the frustrations in 1.6.x for us is that the pull list fields are fixed. Can anyone tell me if additional fields can be added to the pull list in 2.1? Thanks, Deanna Frazee Killeen City Library System
[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] ***SPAM*** RE: ***SPAM*** RE: Adding information to MARC records
Joe, I think it might help for you to know that there are three records involved in cataloging an item. The first is the MARC record, which describes the physical details of the item. Multiple copies of an item share the same MARC record (also commonly called the bib record). Below that is the volume record, which is where the call number is recorded. Again, multiple copies can share a volume record as long as they are in the same location/collection. As Susan mentioned, you can accomplish creating the volume record when importing the bib by including the call number in 082 or 092 tag on the MARC record and just having it automatically imported into the volume record. Below the volume is the actual item record, and a separate one is created for each individual copy of like items. For example, we own 8 copies of John Grisham's The Broker. We have one MARC record in Evergreen for it, and there are two volume records attached to that--one for each of our locations. Under the main library's volume record, we have 5 item records that are identical except for the barcode assigned to each one. The branch library has 3 item records attached to the volume record for that location and, again, the only difference on each is the unique barcode. Clear as mud? Deanna Frazee Killeen City Library System -Original Message- From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Susan Montgomery Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 8:40 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] ***SPAM*** RE: Adding information to MARC records Joe, From what I've seen, as you barcode your items, you will add a call number to each item individually. We use the 092 field and I have our call number there. There is a drop down box for the default call number (082 field) and the number I put in (092 field). I think we had the 092 field recognized so I could do this. In the past, what field did you put the call number in? Susan Montgomery Craven Davidson County Public Library -Original Message- From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Haig Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 11:47 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Adding information to MARC records When I import a record into my library it is possible to edit the MARC and I would like to add a local classification to each book as it is entered. Is there a rule that I need to follow for deciding what lines I should use and is there a way to configure Evergreen to display this extra information? I'm afraid I am a software engineer and not a librarian so some things that are simple to most people on this list are confusing to me. Regards, Joe If you are not the intended recipient, you must destroy this message and inform the sender immediately. This electronic mail message and any attachments, as well as any electronic mail message(s) sent in response to it may be considered public record and as such subject to request and review by anyone at any time. It also may contain information which is confidential within the meaning of applicable federal and state laws. Davidson County Government, PO Box 1067, Lexington, NC, USA, www.co.davidson.nc.us
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Homebound?
We had the option in Horizon for patrons to choose to keep their history or not. Patrons had to login and turn this feature on; staff could not turn it on for them. Many patrons loved it, and we fielded mountains of complaints about the loss of this feature when we migrated to Evergreen. I would love to see a patron history feature added. Deanna Frazee Director of Library Services Killeen City Library System 205 E. Church Ave. Killeen, TX 76541 254-501-8995 dfra...@ci.killeen.tx.us -Original Message- From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Georgette Rogers Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 1:11 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Homebound? Our patrons like being able to access their history on line. They can see if they read a book, etc. We cannot see their history, so privacy is still ensured, but they can log onto their account from hme or anywhere with card number and pin and check titles. I have people who bring printouts in with them becase they read so much Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 1-866-729-8507 From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Hardy, Elaine [eha...@georgialibraries.org] Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 11:05 AM To: 'Evergreen Discussion Group' Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Homebound? It wasn't privacy concerns with staff. If information is retained, it is warrantable. When libraries have explained that to PINES patrons, they generally agree that they don't need the borrowing history as much as they thought. As the Dead said-- if you got a warrant, I guess you're gonna come in Elaine J. Elaine Hardy PINES Bibliographic Projects and Metadata Manager Georgia Public Library Service, A Unit of the University System of Georgia 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 Atlanta, Ga. 30345-4304 404.235-7128 404.235-7201, fax eha...@georgialibraries.org www.georgialibraries.org http://www.georgialibraries.org/pines/ -Original Message- From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth B. Thomsen Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 1:05 PM To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Homebound? Privacy concerns are important, but many people really want the system to be able to maintain their borrowing history. We'd like to see all patrons be able to opt into borrowing history, with flexible controls for sharing that information. Some homebound people can access the catalog, place their own holds, etc., and really just need delivery service from the library, while others want and need a more comprehensive service that includes selecting titles for them. For that level of service, I think they need to opt into having their borrowing history tracked and being used appropriately by staff. (Especially if the alternative is having staff track borrowing in some less-efficient manner, which is what many people are doing now.) On 5/31/2011 12:42 PM, Georgette Rogers wrote: I understand about privacy, but isn't homebound different. Since they cant get to the computers or request the books, we have to have some way to keep track, and we select the books for them. Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 1-866-729-8507 From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Hardy, Elaine [eha...@georgialibraries.org] Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 9:16 AM To: 'Evergreen Discussion Group' Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Homebound? PINES libraries purposefully did not want a history of the items a specific patron has checked out retained as a means to protect the privacy of their library records. Elaine J. Elaine Hardy PINES Bibliographic Projects and Metadata Manager Georgia Public Library Service, A Unit of the University System of Georgia 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 Atlanta, Ga. 30345-4304 404.235-7128 404.235-7201, fax eha...@georgialibraries.org www.georgialibraries.org http://www.georgialibraries.org/pines/ -Original Message- From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Garry Collum Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 9:16 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Homebound? but also containing a history of the items a patron has read
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Showing online resources in the OPAC
When you imported the records, did you use the third option on the
import menu? I can't remember what it was named, but I do remember that
it didn't really seem to indicate that we needed to use it to import
records for electronic resources. We had it renamed E-books to make
it more obvious.
Deanna Frazee
Killeen City Library System
205 E. Church Ave.
Killeen, TX 76541
254-501-8995
dfra...@ci.killeen.tx.us
-Original Message-
From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of
Vicki Reeves
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 10:31 AM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Showing online resources in the OPAC
We're trying to figure out how to add records for electronic resources
so that they will show in our OPAC. We're on Evergreen 1.6.0.8
I tried adding the subfield 9 to my 856 field. The resources are not
showing in the opac and nothing is showing in the asset.URI areas of the
database.
This is the 856 for one of the resources:
856 3 Wildflowers of Southwest (Beauregard Parish) Louisiana
856 u http://library.beau.org/~lawild
856 2 http
856 9 DER
There are no holdings attached to the record.
Any thoughts as to what I need to do are welcome.
On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 18:23 -0400, Dan Scott wrote:
On Thu, Apr 07, 2011 at 03:48:20PM -0400, Jason Etheridge wrote:
There is a bit of an explanation on cataloguing electronic
resources in the documentation here which explains the second method:
http://docs.evergreen-ils.org/1.6/draft/html/electronicresourcesvisible.
html
Man that URL looks familiar...
How important are the indicators here? If they do need to be 4 and
0,
we may want to emphasize that.
In 2.0+, 030.schema.metabib.sql says:
uris := oils_xpath('//*[@tag=856 and (@ind1=4 or @ind1=1) and
(@ind2=0 or @ind2=1)]',marcxml);
So, ind1 can be 4 or 1, and ind2 can be 0 or 1. Mike relaxed
things after presumably finding that many MARC records don't strictly
follow the standard.
1.6+ matches that flexibility, albeit in
OpenILS::Application::Ingest.pm
instead.
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Question
We are not part of a consortium, and Evergreen is working well for us. Our library consists of a main and a branch, but overall we are relatively small-about 117,000 volumes. We used Alpha-G Consulting to migrate from Horizon this past summer, and I would definitely recommend having outside help unless you have an in-house IT staff with time on their hands. Having Alpha-G to handle so much of the work is what made it possible for us to choose Evergreen, which I think meets our needs pretty well. If you can do it, hire someone like Alpha-G to set up a test server and tweak things until it meets your needs. Deanna Deanna Frazee Director of Library Services Killeen City Library System 205 E. Church Ave. Killeen, TX 76541 254-501-8995 dfra...@ci.killeen.tx.us From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Georgette Rogers Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 12:57 PM To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Question Hell all We are a small, stand alone library who is looking at Evergreen as a possible new ILS. As I am watching the list serve and looking at a variety of things associated with Evergreen, I wonder is it adaptable to small libraries like us. I notice most libraries that use Evergreen, are consortiums, or college libraries that may have one or more branch. Can this be easily set up for a small library that is a one branch operation/ Thank you Georgette Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 1-866-729-8507
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] New install problem with settings
Our patrons are assigned to the parent organization (Killeen City Library System) so that they can check out at any of our locations. Materials are assigned to a shelving location, so they show up as Main Mystery or CMB Nonfiction. Does that make sense? Deanna Frazee Killeen City Library System 205 E. Church Ave. Killeen, TX 76541 254-501-8995 dfra...@ci.killeen.tx.us -Original Message- From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Vicki Reeves Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 3:32 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] New install problem with settings We are a parish (think county) library with 5 branches trying to migrate from a vendor system into Evergreen. While our library materials will need to be assigned to the branches, our patron database is shared by all branches. Does anyone have experience with this setup who might tell us how the system should be configured so that this can happen? Thank you.
[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Triggering holds
If a patron has overdue fees, will their hold still trigger? Thanks! Deanna Frazee Killeen City Library System 205 E. Church Ave. Killeen, TX 76541 254-501-8995 dfra...@ci.killeen.tx.us
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Non cataloged
On our checkout screen, we have a drop-down menu with 3 options. One is for regular barcodes, one is for pre-cat items and one is for paperbacks. The paperback option is for non-cataloged paperbacks that we just want to keep stats on. The system records the checkouts, but does not actually put the items on the record. At least, I'm pretty sure that is what is happening. I think this feature is part of Evergreen, but it is possible that Alpha-G Consulting set it up for us when we migrated. Either way, it's a very useful feature. Deanna Frazee Killeen City Library System 205 E. Church Ave. Killeen, TX 76541 254-501-8995 dfra...@ci.killeen.tx.us From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Georgette Rogers Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 1:14 PM To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Non cataloged Does anyone have items that are not cataloged, such as donated paperbacks, and if so , how does Evergreen work with setting parameters or handling the checkout for statistics? Thank you Georgette Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 1-866-729-8507
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Question about modifying fixed fields in a MARC record
We discovered that we had to delete the information in the box in some cases, particularly the leader, tag number, indicators and subfields, before we were able to put the corrected information. Deanna Deanna Frazee Director of Library Services Killeen City Library System 205 E. Church Ave. Killeen, TX 76541 254-501-8995 dfra...@ci.killeen.tx.us From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Hardy, Elaine Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 9:36 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Question about modifying fixed fields in a MARC record They are editable. Just a little recalcitrant about it on occasion. Highlight the entry box and you should be able to edit it. Elaine J. Elaine Hardy PINES Bibliographic Projects Metadata Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Ste 150 Atlanta, Ga. 30345-4304 404.235-7128 404.235-7201, fax eha...@georgialibraries.org www.georgialibraries.org www.georgialibraries.org/pines From: Kathryn Riedener kriede...@pls-net.org To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 10:13:40 AM Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Question about modifying fixed fields in a MARC record Hi, I'm trying to edit a fixed field on a MARC record and although the box is opened (shaded green), I'm unable to type anything into the box. Are the fixed fields editable? Thanks for any information you may have. Kathryn -- Kathryn Riedener Cataloging ILS Asst. Pioneer Library System
[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] ***SPAM*** RE: ***SPAM*** Re: Wrong cover attached to record
Thanks Ben, that did the trick! Deanna From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Ben Shum Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 11:32 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] ***SPAM*** Re: Wrong cover attached to record Hi Deanna, My best guess is that maybe the order of the 020 fields makes a difference on how the book cover appears. We've encountered this problem before on our system where the first 020 field is used to generate a book jacket but it might be an incorrect one. All subsequent ones are ignored it seems. If you swap the 020 fields used in your example, that should correct the problem. -- Ben On 10/01/2010 12:28 PM, Deanna Frazee wrote: We've noticed that the cover displayed in our OPAC for the book Erak's Ransom by John Flanagan is wildly incorrect. Instead of showing the cover of one of the Ranger's Apprentice novels, it shows the children's book The Runaway Mummy. You can see it in our catalog at http://portal.ci.killeen.tx.us/opac/en-US/skin/craftsman/xml/rdetail.xml ?r=82501t=erak's%20ransomtp=keywordd=0hc=1rt=keyword http://portal.ci.killeen.tx.us/opac/en-US/skin/craftsman/xml/rdetail.xm l?r=82501t=erak%27s%20ransomtp=keywordd=0hc=1rt=keyword Any suggestions on how we go about fixing this? Thanks, Deanna Frazee Killeen City Library System 205 E. Church Ave. Killeen, TX 76541 254-501-8995 dfra...@ci.killeen.tx.us -- Benjamin Shum Open Source Software Coordinator Bibliomation, Inc. 32 Crest Road Middlebury, CT 06762 203-577-4070, ext. 113
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Wrong cover attached to record
It wasn't. Apparently one of the catalogers either typed in the wrong ISBN or else used a copy record with incorrect information. Deanna -Original Message- From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Dan Scott Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 11:34 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Wrong cover attached to record On Fri, Oct 01, 2010 at 11:28:08AM -0500, Deanna Frazee wrote: We've noticed that the cover displayed in our OPAC for the book Erak's Ransom by John Flanagan is wildly incorrect. Instead of showing the cover of one of the Ranger's Apprentice novels, it shows the children's book The Runaway Mummy. You can see it in our catalog at http://portal.ci.killeen.tx.us/opac/en-US/skin/craftsman/xml/rdetail.xml ?r=82501t=erak's%20ransomtp=keywordd=0hc=1rt=keyword Any suggestions on how we go about fixing this? Taking the ISBN from your MARC record and dropping it into Google shows a ton of hits for The Runaway Mummy. Are you sure the ISBN in your MARC record is correct?
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Hardware configuration
We used Alpha-G Consulting for our migration, and I am very glad that we did. They helped us evaluate Evergreen and determine which version best fit our needs, set up a test server with our data so that our staff could get a real feel for the system, and took the time necessary to talk to our city's IT department to work out remote access issues. That last thing might seem inconsequential, but our city generally will not allow vendors through the firewall. We have been Alpha-G customers for nearly 10 years now, going back to some third-party customizations we wanted for Horizon. We have no in-house IT staff; I am our system admin and just very computer-friendly, not truly at IT type. Alpha-G knows how to explain stuff in plain English when needed, and that has been invaluable. The person to contact at Alpha-G is John Craig. His email is j...@alphagconsulting.com, or you can call him at 801-805-4963. They are located in Utah. Deanna Frazee Killeen City Library System From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Sue Hopkins Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 7:12 AM To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org Cc: Anne Savoie; Joan Kuklinski Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Hardware configuration Hi, C/W MARS is a large consortia (150 libraries, 172 sites) of mixed public, academic and special libraries that will be migrating over to Evergreen sometime next summer/fall. We will need some help with determining our hardware configuration. Can anyone make some suggestions as to who could help us with this and their experience with that company? Sue Hopkins Systems Networking Manager C/W MARS, Inc. 67 Millbrook Street, Suite 201 Worcester, MA 01606 Ph: (508)-755-3323 ext-18 Fax: (508)-755-3721 image001.jpg
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Library Catalog
I am sure that there is some free software out there for creating barcodes, but they are pretty inexpensive and you may find it is just easier to buy some from a vendor who will keep track of the numbers. In general, the first few digits of your barcode will identify your institution, and the rest will identify the item. As for the cataloging, what you are hoping to do is called copy cataloging. With 20,000 items in the collection, it will still take you quite a bit of time since each item will need to be searched and downloaded. You can do this relatively inexpensively with EZcat from Book Systems, or you could even do it with the z39.50 search in Evergreen. EZcat is extremely easy to use, so it really is worth your time to look into it. You can also use MARCedit, a free program that is quite nice. It just won't let you search multiple z39.50 sites at one time like EZcat will, and searching sites separately can slow you down a bit. Please pardon me if I am wrong, but it sounds like you are not familiar with cataloging. If not, be warned that it is not something you want to dive into with a collection of 20,000 items. Whether you use the Dewey Decimal System or the Library of Congress system for assigning call numbers, it is something most of us studied while in grad school and then spent a good deal of time learning how to do in a practical work setting. Not to mention that learning to modify a MARC record is not all that easy. You can hire someone like MARCIVE or even a good cataloger who takes on that sort of work on the side and save yourself a lot of stress and frustration. Whatever route you take, good luck! Deanna Deanna Frazee Director of Library Services Killeen City Library System 205 E. Church Ave. Killeen, TX 76541 254-501-8995 dfra...@ci.killeen.tx.us From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Colm Estridge Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 2:59 PM To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Library Catalog Hi, My employer has acquired a small library (approx. 20,000 titles) and would like to create an in-house catalog for them. There was no card system with the books, and they all pre-date barcodes. I have attempted to use WorldCat, to catalog these books, but have found no way to create call numbers/labels/bar codes so that we can search and label them. So, is this community aware of a system where I can import the data pertinent to each title (thus not having to reinvent the wheel and research the subject matter of each) and create a call system, wherein I can print my own bar codes for our scanner? Thank you for your help. Best Regards C
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Cataloging templates
Chris, That's interesting to know. We don't use OCLC, but we do use a couple of other programs to create MARC records. Unfortunately, uploading is not working at the moment. It's on the list of issues we have to fix since the migration, but all efforts are focused on fixing the problem with requests not triggering properly right now. Oh the fun of migration! No wonder I have fond thoughts of retiring before the next time we have to migrate. Deanna From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org on behalf of Sharp, Chris Sent: Sat 7/31/2010 7:05 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Cataloging templates Deanna, Since PINES does original cataloging in OCLC, then imports each record from there, that is why Evergreen was not originally designed with more than the K-level cataloging templates. I can see the need for more options for cataloging templates for other workflows, but I thought it might help to know the reason things were designed that way originally. If you are able to create MARC records in an external program (PINES generally uses OCLC Connexion client), then import then via Z39.50, that will make things easier for you until more templates are developed/available. Chris Sharp PINES Program Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 Atlanta, Georgia 30345 (404) 235-7147 csh...@georgialibraries.org http://pines.georgialibraries.org/ From: Deanna Frazee dfra...@ci.killeen.tx.us To: Evergreen Discussion Group open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 6:07:41 PM Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Cataloging templates We have been unable to add templates for cataloging. The only option we have when we go to create a MARC record is for books. There appears to be no way to add a template. No button for adding one, no error messages, nothing. Just the book template, which is a pain to modify every time you are cataloging a cart of DVD's. We are on version 1.6.0.6. Thanks! Deanna Deanna Frazee Director of Library Services Killeen City Library System 205 E. Church Ave. Killeen, TX 76541 254-501-8995 dfra...@ci.killeen.tx.us winmail.dat
[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Cataloging templates
We have been unable to add templates for cataloging. The only option we have when we go to create a MARC record is for books. There appears to be no way to add a template. No button for adding one, no error messages, nothing. Just the book template, which is a pain to modify every time you are cataloging a cart of DVD's. We are on version 1.6.0.6. Thanks! Deanna Deanna Frazee Director of Library Services Killeen City Library System 205 E. Church Ave. Killeen, TX 76541 254-501-8995 dfra...@ci.killeen.tx.us
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Adding Z39.50 target
Thanks, Benjamin and Dan, I think you've got me on the right track now! Deanna -Original Message- From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Dan Scott Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 2:04 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Adding Z39.50 target Hi Deanna: On Wed, 2010-07-28 at 13:47 -0500, Deanna Frazee wrote: Our catalogers would like for me to add several z39.50 targets for sites they regularly search for MARC records. I have input the host, port and database name for a couple of targets, but I cannot get Evergreen to let me search them. These are sites that do not require usernames and passwords, and I am on release 1.6.0.6. Any suggestions? Along with the host, port, and database name, you also need to enter the Z39.50 server attributes for the server. A small, teeny, tiny hitch is that there is no interface for this in 1.6.0.x. Luckily, from the database level this is pretty straightforward. If you just want to clone the Library of Congress attribute settings for a given server with the shortname 'foo', go into psql and issue the following SQL statement: INSERT INTO config.z3950_attr SELECT 'foo', name, label, code, format, truncation FROM config.z3950_attr WHERE source = 'loc'; You might need to adjust some of the attributes (truncation, in particular, differs from server to server), but this is a fast way to populate your database. I made a dump of our Evergreen instance's set of Z39.50 servers available at http://coffeecode.net/archives/216-Evergreen-1.6-Z39.50-target-servers-for-academics.html - this might be a reasonable starting point for others to build a common set of configuration settings. Wouldn't it be nice to have a database of databases that we could select from to add to our Evergreen instances without any configuration pain?
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Call numbers in Evergreen
I believe it is specifically from the hairball subdivision. Deanna Deanna Frazee Director of Library Services Killeen City Library System 205 E. Church Ave. Killeen, TX 76541 254-501-8995 dfra...@ci.killeen.tx.us -Original Message- From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Jason Etheridge Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 9:40 AM To: jwal...@georgialibraries.org; Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Call numbers in Evergreen On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Julie Walker jwal...@georgialibraries.org wrote: GttGtgtGtgtgtgtgtgt A call number example from the feline classification system? -- Jason Etheridge | VP, Tactical Development | Equinox Software, Inc. / Your Library's Guide to Open Source | phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) | email: ja...@esilibrary.com | web: http://www.esilibrary.com
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] ***SPAM*** Re: We're live at last!
Thanks Vicki and everyone else! I really don't know why it took us so long to get to this point, but other parts of the job just have a way of interfering. The hiring freeze that left us severely short-handed had a lot to do with it. Once we got the hiring freeze lifted, it was so much easier to devote time to this project. Alpha-G got the migration done overnight, and I'm still amazed by that. It was so much faster than when we went live on our previous ILS! It felt odd going live on a Thursday, but it's our slowest day of the week so it seemed like the best idea. And it worked. Whew! Deanna From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of v...@scls.lib.wi.us Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 6:23 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] ***SPAM*** Re: We're live at last! Congratulations Deanna! Vicki On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Deanna Frazee dfra...@ci.killeen.tx.us wrote: Although our migration has been slower than turtles running through peanut butter, we have finally gone live on Evergreen v.1.6.0.6! Hooray! We have been live since Thursday, at which time my local server decided to have serious problems. Thankfully, Alpha-G Consulting was able to bring us up on one of their servers while we got ours going again. I now know things I never imagined needing to know, such as how to wipe out and create virtual disks. And I extremely thankful that John Craig is an incredibly patient man since he had to walk me through setting up RAID, hot spares and Ubuntu over the telephone yesterday without any way to see what I was doing. Thankfully, he can connect remotely from this point on and get everything back in place because I really don't know that anyone should have to walk me through that on top of everything else. There are still kinks to work out, but most of my staff and patrons seem very happy with Evergreen. And just a few minutes ago, I discovered the very cool Toggle Button Bar. I suppose it has been there all along and I just ignored it during all the time we were testing the ILS, but I would like to think it just appeared last night. Either way, it made my circ staff very happy when I showed it to them. It was worth coming in on a Saturday just to hear them shouting, Holy moly, this is cool! The patrons, on the other hand, just edged away from the crazy circ people. Deanna Deanna Frazee Director of Library Services Killeen City Library System 205 E. Church Ave. Killeen, TX 76541 254-501-8995 dfra...@ci.killeen.tx.us -- Vicki Teal Lovely Helping our 52 member libraries provide the best possible service to the public. ILS Project Manager South Central Library System Madison, WI v...@scls.lib.wi.us (608)242-4713
[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Claims not checked out
On our old ILS, claims returned was an item status that came with the system. We added one called claims not checked out for those times when a patron could convince us that they had an item on their account that they were certain they had not checked out. When it happened, it was often that a clerk failed to clear the screen before checking out the next patron. Evergreen does not handle claims returned as a status, so I claims not checkout out may not work as a status either. How are other libraries handling it? Any suggestions? TIA, Deanna Deanna Frazee Director of Library Services Killeen City Library System 205 E. Church Ave. Killeen, TX 76541 254-501-8995 dfra...@ci.killeen.tx.us
[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] We're live at last!
Although our migration has been slower than turtles running through peanut butter, we have finally gone live on Evergreen v.1.6.0.6! Hooray! We have been live since Thursday, at which time my local server decided to have serious problems. Thankfully, Alpha-G Consulting was able to bring us up on one of their servers while we got ours going again. I now know things I never imagined needing to know, such as how to wipe out and create virtual disks. And I extremely thankful that John Craig is an incredibly patient man since he had to walk me through setting up RAID, hot spares and Ubuntu over the telephone yesterday without any way to see what I was doing. Thankfully, he can connect remotely from this point on and get everything back in place because I really don't know that anyone should have to walk me through that on top of everything else. There are still kinks to work out, but most of my staff and patrons seem very happy with Evergreen. And just a few minutes ago, I discovered the very cool Toggle Button Bar. I suppose it has been there all along and I just ignored it during all the time we were testing the ILS, but I would like to think it just appeared last night. Either way, it made my circ staff very happy when I showed it to them. It was worth coming in on a Saturday just to hear them shouting, Holy moly, this is cool! The patrons, on the other hand, just edged away from the crazy circ people. Deanna Deanna Frazee Director of Library Services Killeen City Library System 205 E. Church Ave. Killeen, TX 76541 254-501-8995 dfra...@ci.killeen.tx.us
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] RSCEL and Evergreen-ils.org and RSCEL Update
Whew! I've been trying to figure it out, but nothing was coming to me. The best I had come up with was Real Smooth Cataloging at Electrified Libraries, and that just seemed unlikely. Deanna Deanna Frazee Director of Library Services Killeen City Library System 205 E. Church Ave. Killeen, TX 76541 254-501-8995 dfra...@ci.killeen.tx.us -Original Message- From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Galen Charlton Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 2:25 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] RSCEL and Evergreen-ils.org and RSCEL Update Hi, On Jul 6, 2010, at 2:02 PM, Lori Bowen Ayre wrote: P.S. Everyone is welcome to become a RSCEL, all you have to do is register at rscel.evergreen-ils.org and participate in whatever way works for you. And since I saw that the question came up, RSCEL = Resource and Sharing Cooperative of Evergreen Libraries. Regards, Galen PSEA Charlton -- Galen Charlton VP, Data Services Equinox Software, Inc. / Your Library's Guide to Open Source email: g...@esilibrary.com direct: +1 352-215-7548 skype: gmcharlt web:http://www.esilibrary.com/
[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] ***SPAM*** RE: Costs
The document Cynthia attached contained a universal truth in the very first bullet point. Staff may intend to test the system, but they will not get around to it. In spite of ample time to test, our staff has been terrible about getting on there and learning how to use it. Most seem to think that they will just pick up on it when we go live. We have really had to stay on top of them and watch while they have trained to keep them from wandering off or just doing a 5-10 minute training and claim that they are prepared. Deanna From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Cynthia Williamson Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 8:24 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Costs Hi Georgette - Like Deanna said, cost is different for everyone. We spent @ $7500CAD on our server, 2 full-time people worked on getting things up and going for the better part of a year - that allowed us to keep up other parts of our jobs. We went live well before our support contract with our former ILS vendor expired - that allowed us to do a very soft launch and do lots of troubleshooting/tweaking and some more staff training. We did contract with Equinox for some programming (booking module @ $8000USD) but did not spend any money on training or migration. The EG community has been a big help, I can't really say that we did it on our own. I've attached a list that I've shared with some other folks that gives some details of our process, please use it/share it as needed. Cheers, Cynthia Mohawk College, Hamilton, ON On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Georgette Rogers grog...@libertylakewa.gov wrote: Thank you so much for the reply. I am not authorized to send out an RFP, but I will pass the information to my director and she will take it from there. I really appreciate all the information that has been coming to me from the list serve. I will probably have more questons. Thanks again Georgette Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 1-866-729-8507 From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Deanna Frazee [dfra...@ci.killeen.tx.us] Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 7:07 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] ***SPAM*** RE: Costs There really isn't a set cost. We bought a server, paid Alpha-G for migration services and have self-trained. But it has not been a simple process. There have been numerous delays as I dealt with issues that left us too short-staffed to cope with a migration at times and as we have worked with Alpha-G to get things right so that we can go live with as few interruptions to service for our patrons as possible on the go-live day (next Monday). There has been some training out there for Evergreen, but much of what you will need to do is look at the manuals that other libraries have created in-house. From there, you may have to just experiment with it to see how it works. Since this is not an out-of-the-box solution, the price will be unique to your situation. Your best bet is to send out an RFP with the details you mentioned below as well as infornation on your current ILS. Evergreen offers a lot of flexibility, but it is for those intrepid enough to take on an ILS without formal documentation and without the sort of full-time training staff that you often get with an established proprietary system. These things will come with time, but they aren't here now. Deanna Frazee Killeen City Library System Killeen, TX dfra...@ci.killeen.tx.us From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org on behalf of Georgette Rogers Sent: Mon 6/14/2010 5:39 PM To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Costs Could anyone tell me the cost for implementation, self hosting, maitence and training for the Evergreen system. We are a 9,000 square foot library, we have 28,000 items and about 5,000 patrons. Thank you Georgette Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 1-866-729-8507 -- Many a man stumbles across the truth, then picks himself up and hurries on as though nothing had happened. Winston Churchill
[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] ***SPAM*** RE: Costs
There really isn't a set cost. We bought a server, paid Alpha-G for migration services and have self-trained. But it has not been a simple process. There have been numerous delays as I dealt with issues that left us too short-staffed to cope with a migration at times and as we have worked with Alpha-G to get things right so that we can go live with as few interruptions to service for our patrons as possible on the go-live day (next Monday). There has been some training out there for Evergreen, but much of what you will need to do is look at the manuals that other libraries have created in-house. From there, you may have to just experiment with it to see how it works. Since this is not an out-of-the-box solution, the price will be unique to your situation. Your best bet is to send out an RFP with the details you mentioned below as well as infornation on your current ILS. Evergreen offers a lot of flexibility, but it is for those intrepid enough to take on an ILS without formal documentation and without the sort of full-time training staff that you often get with an established proprietary system. These things will come with time, but they aren't here now. Deanna Frazee Killeen City Library System Killeen, TX dfra...@ci.killeen.tx.us From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org on behalf of Georgette Rogers Sent: Mon 6/14/2010 5:39 PM To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Costs Could anyone tell me the cost for implementation, self hosting, maitence and training for the Evergreen system. We are a 9,000 square foot library, we have 28,000 items and about 5,000 patrons. Thank you Georgette Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 1-866-729-8507 winmail.dat
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Implementation
There are no fees if you have staff who are knowledgeable about servers and installing programs like this. For those of us who are only good at things like installing client software, there are firms like Equinox and Alpha-G that can install and support it for you. Of course, they come with fees but are well worth it. Deanna Deanna Frazee Director of Library Services Killeen City Library System 205 E. Church Ave. Killeen, TX 76541 254-501-8995 dfra...@ci.killeen.tx.us From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Georgette Rogers Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 2:42 PM To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Implementation Hello For anyone who has implimented the Evergreen system, is there a fee of any type? Monthly, yearly, etc. How was the transfer of data from one system to another? How well does the system work for paying fines and using debit/credit cards? Any issues with that. Thank you very much, Georgette Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 1-866-729-8507
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] RFPs for system development
Alpha-G Consulting of Orem, Utah, does. You can contact them at j...@alphagconsulting.com. Deanna Frazee Director of Library Services Killeen City Library System 205 E. Church Ave. Killeen, TX 76541 254-501-8995 dfra...@ci.killeen.tx.us From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of George Tuttle Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 4:20 PM To: 'Evergreen Discussion Group' Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] RFPs for system development Hi Lori, By wide-scale, I mean to your heart's content. Open source puts more pressure on you to understand the software and your workflow in advance. Testing helps, but you need an effective testing model. An RFP for that service could be the answer. Thanks. Good thought. BTW, besides Equinox, is there anyone else providing these services? George From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Lori Bowen Ayre Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 4:05 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] RFPs for system development George, I agree. Open Source DOES mean rethinking the RFP process. And, one way to rethink it is to do an RFP for services. Some of the services I might seek via RFP are: * getting help setting up a test environment * migration, support and/or hosting services * assessing the suitability of products against a set of criteria, or * helping develop the criteria to be used for evaluation Not sure what you mean by wide-scale testing or if that is the ONLY way to rethink the RFP process. But, definitely a rethink is needed. To paraphrase something someone else said (which I could remember who)... if you use the same old procurement method, you'll keep getting the same old thing. Lori Ayre On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 9:56 AM, George Tuttle gtut...@prlib.org wrote: Open Source means rethinking the RFP process. What wide-scale testing have you done so far? George Tuttle Computer Services Librarian Piedmont Regional Library System 770-867-2762 x103 770-891-0654 (cell) 770-867-7483 (fax) gtut...@prlib.org From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Kathleen O'Connor Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 11:40 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] RFPs for system development Our director has been toying with this idea for quite some time. I was just trying to get a heads up on it when he finally decided to pull the plug on voyager Whatever you can share would be appreciated Kathleen E. O'Connor Systems Librarian Falvey Memorial Library Villanova University Villanova, Pa. 19085 kathleen.ocon...@villanova.edu 610-519-4158 From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Lori Bowen Ayre Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 11:13 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] RFPs for system development Hi Kathy, Are you planning to do development or are you looking for an RFP for services such as migrating and implementation? The KCLS software specs were for writing a LOT of new code and I'm thinking that's not really what you had in mind so wanted to clarify. I do have an RFP sample for support I could share. And another very simple one for implementation and training. Lori Ayre On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 7:45 AM, Kathy Lussier kluss...@masslnc.org wrote: Hi all, I'm working with the three Massachusetts consortia that are planning to move to Evergreen in 2011. We are in the latter phases of identifying our development needs for Evergreen with the plan of issuing an RFP for system development in early summer. I was wondering if anyone in the Evergreen community has an RFP they have used for system development in Evergreen or another open-source product that you would be willing to share with us. I do have a copy of King County's RFP for system support as well as the specs they posted to the http://oss4pl.org/ site. Thanks in advance for your help! Kathy Lussier - Kathy Lussier Project Coordinator Massachusetts Library Network Cooperative (508) 756-0172 (508) 755-3721 (fax) kluss...@masslnc.org IM: kmlussier (AOL Yahoo) Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/techielibrarian Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/kmlussier
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Volcanic trouble
I have no suggestions on meeting for the present, but I do hope you can attend next year's Evergreen conference. I'm dying to know what a stroopwafel is! Deanna Frazee Killeen City Library System Killeen, TX From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Afelonne Doek Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 4:19 AM To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Volcanic trouble Hi everybody, Here we are, behind our desks at the International Institute of Social History, instead of being up in the air on our way to Grand Rapids... As you may have heard, there has been an eruption of the Eyjafjallajökull-volcano in Iceland, causing ash clouds over the North Atlantic. These clouds are resulting in the closure of all European airports and the cancellation of thousands of flights worldwide since last Thursday April 14th. Our flight has also been cancelled and the first available flights are expected on Friday, so there is no way we can attend. Therefore no Evergreen conference for the Dutch! For consolation we have already eaten all the stroopwafels, drop and Wilhelmina peppermints we bought to share with you at the conference. We are really sorry to miss all the interesting talks, workshops and opportunities to meet the Evergreen community and are hoping that we can get as much information as possible that is going to be shared and presented at the conference. Besides meeting the developers and other Evergreen users we were looking forward to attend a lot of sessions. We would really appreciate it if presentation slides or other material could be send to us, and maybe if presentations are being taped we can see that online. Written down below are sessions we were and are still especially interested in: - Authority roundtable (Hackfest: Shea Tetteron) - Slinging Data: Data loading and Cleanup in Evergreen (Galen Charlton) - So can I change the code? (Kate Sheehan) - Evergreen Acquisitions Roundup (Bill Erickson) - The lifecycle of an OSRF Request (Scott McKellar) - Getting there from here (Cheryl Gould) - My brain 'urts! Or Evergreen SQL 101 (Mike Rylander) - Migration and Training: Preparing your Data and your staff for Transition to Evergreen (Sally Fortin and Shea Tetteron) - Managing Serials with Evergreen (Steven Putt and Daniel Wells) - Each One Train One (Jennifer Bielewski and Jenny Liberatore) Not being able to attend the conference faces us with the challenge how to continue our work on Evergreen. Of course we still intend to put resources and work into enhancements (Authorities, Record id, Serials...) and having Evergreen as our new library system up and running by the end of 2010. Right now we are discussing the possible other options to meet EG developers. Any suggestions? Kind regards, Afelonne, Marjolein and Ole International Institute of Social History .. Afelonne Doek Senior Information Analist International Institute of Social History Postbus 2169, 1000 CD Amsterdam Visiting address: Cruquiusweg 31, 1019 AT Amsterdam Tel: +31 20 66 858 66 a...@iisg.nl www.iisg.nl http://www.iisg.nl/ image001.jpg
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Canned Reports being created
I second that idea! Deanna Frazee Killeen City Library System (254) 501-8995 (254) 501-7704 (fax) dfra...@ci.killeen.tx.us From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Coleman, Marlene Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 11:48 AM To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org Subject: Canned Reports being created Hi Shae, This sounds great and would be appreciated by all, providing information we need from the database. Although the pull holds list is built into the client already, I think a canned version to be imported into Excel, with multiple sort capabilities, would be helpful as well, and is something our staff has requested. Thanks, Marlene Marlene F. Coleman ILS Database Manager Branch Manager, Beaufort Branch Beaufort County Library 311 Scott Street Beaufort, SC 29902 mcole...@bcgov.net 843-470-6544 www.beaufortcountylibrary.org For Learning ~ For Leisure ~ For Life Message: 1 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:09:43 -0500 From: Shae Tetterton s...@esilibrary.com Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Update on Evergreen Reports To: open-ils-general open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org Message-ID: edbdd5b71003110809p798300fahfeaa175beda1a...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I know there's been a lot of discussion in the last couple weeks about canned reports for Evergreen. I tried making a post last week in response but I think it didn't like the attachment so I've copied in my attachment below. I have developed 39 report templates. These are currently being tested by Bibliomation and we have plans to have a couple other sites test the templates before making them official. Once we receive feedback and are sure the templates are working as designed, we will add them to ILS-contrib so anyone can download the templates to their server. For Equinox customers, we will gladly deliver the report templates. Below is a list of the reports being tested right now. They were based on various national and state sites I found that showed requirements for reporting statistics to state, federal and local government. I am certainly open to other ideas, as I know this is not a comprehensive set of reports. Hopefully it is a good set that will get you started. Sincerely, Shae Standardized Reports Proposed by Equinox Library Collections: Count Titles by Library Count Items by Library Count Items Added by Date Range Count Items Deleted by Date Range Count Items Added by Date Range and Statistical Category Count Items by Circulation Modifier and Shelving Location Inventory List (List of Items by Shelving Location and Call Number Range) List Items Added by Date Range List Items by Copy Status List Titles Deleted by Date Range List Items with Total Usage Count (to be filtered by total usage and item date creation ranges for collection development purposes) List Titles by Physical Format (using fixed field type codes) List Titles/Items by Circulation Modifier List URLs for Electronic Resources Note: To allow for maximum flexibility in reporting, the IN LIST and BETWEEN operators were used in most cases. Reports can be duplicated if additional filters or display options are needed. Data transforms may also be changed during the cloning process to utilize different date formats. Library Patrons: Count Patrons by Library and Active Status Count Patrons Added by Date Range Count Patrons by Zip Code Count Patrons by Patron Demographic (Stat Cats) Count Patrons by Permission Group Count Patrons Deleted and Inactive List Patrons Inactive based on Last Activity List of Patrons with Outstanding Fines (Library and Permission Group Filters) List of Patrons with Open Circulations (Library and Permission Group Filters) List of Patrons with Overdues (Library and Permission Group Filters) Note: Unless otherwise indicated, patron reports will only include ACTIVE patrons. Library Services: Count Circulations by Day by Library Count Circulations by Hour by Library Count Circulations by Month by Library and Circulation Modifier Count Circulations by Month by Library and Shelving Location Count Circulations by Patron Permission Group and Date Range Count Circulations by Non-Cataloged Type and Date Range Count Circulations for In-House Use Items by Date Range Count Circulations for Pre-Cataloged Items Count Holds Filled by Library Count Available Holds Unfilled by Pickup Library Count Items Loaned by Sending Library and Date Range Count Items Loaned by Receiving Library and Date Range List Pre-Cataloged Titles by Library (will only include titles linked to open circs) List Available Holds by Available Date and Pickup Library (aka Clean Holds Shelf) List Outstanding Bill Totals by Library and Billing Type Note: Take into account there are already functions for Holds Pull List, Cash Reports, Browse Holds Shelf and Transit Lists. -- Shae Tetterton Project
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Evergreen Reports Module
George, You are right on track, at least IMO. Sometimes a nice canned report that you just tell to run is perfect. Other times, you need to be able to select some of the elements. Deanna Frazee Killeen City Library System (254) 501-8995 (254) 501-7704 (fax) dfra...@ci.killeen.tx.us From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of George Tuttle Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 2:14 PM To: 'Evergreen Discussion Group' Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Evergreen Reports Module Hi Deanna! I have two concepts of a canned report. One is any pre-defined report with static elements and a fixed structure. The static elements could include a pick list of commonly used filters and display categories. These reports are tested and proven and next to impossible to screw up. The other concept is a pre-scheduled report where the end-user merely accesses the data, like the circulation reports for individual months. In this type of report, the results are canned and can't be altered. George Tuttle Computer Services Librarian Piedmont Regional Library System 770-867-2762 x103 770-891-0654 (cell) 770-867-7483 (fax) gtut...@prlib.org From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Deanna Frazee Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 2:28 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Evergreen Reports Module I would like to see more canned reports for a variety of things, particularly overdues and stats. While we can create all of this ourselves, a canned report for those things that all of us do would be so helpful. Deanna Frazee Killeen City Library System (254) 501-8995 (254) 501-7704 (fax) dfra...@ci.killeen.tx.us From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of George Tuttle Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 1:24 PM To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Evergreen Reports Module Hello, Is anyone out there? I am trying to network with other Evergreen libraries on a variety of end-user issues and would like to start by discussing Evergreen's Report Module. If changes were to be made in Reports, what changes would you like to see? George Tuttle Computer Services Librarian Piedmont Regional Library System 770-867-2762 x103 770-891-0654 (cell) 770-867-7483 (fax) gtut...@prlib.org mailto:gtut...@prlib.org
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Library Journal
I'm hoping this might help the library industry quit touting Abrams as a visionary among librarians. He's a degreed librarian, but he's been a corporate guy for so long that I have my doubts that he is all that in touch with the realities of working in a library now. Visionary? No. More like salesperson. Deanna Frazee Killeen City Library System From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org on behalf of Schultz, Monica Sent: Thu 11/5/2009 7:27 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Library Journal Plus is great marketing for OSS, you know what they say there is no bad marketing lol... Monica M. Schultz PLS IT Director Tel: 650.356-2120 Fax: 650.349.5089 -Original Message- From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Mark Jordan Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 5:29 PM To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Library Journal C'mon guys, I think spreading FUD is a perfectly natural response from a company that has lost customers to OSS ILSs. Mark Mark Jordan Head of Library Systems W.A.C. Bennett Library, Simon Fraser University Burnaby, British Columbia, V5A 1S6, Canada Voice: 778.782.5753 / Fax: 778.782.3023 mjor...@sfu.ca winmail.dat
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] SQL Repository
I ran the “SQL Blood Bank” for Horizon users for several years, and we just put a header on each one that indicated who had created it and, when known, the version of Horizon the creator used. It worked very well. Deanna Frazee Killeen City Library System From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Joe Atzberger Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 1:01 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] SQL Repository Just make sure you differentiate what *version* of Evergreen your reports and scripts are written against. It will not necessarily be portable to other versions. --Joe On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Amy Terlaga terl...@biblio.org wrote: I guess I was thinking more of the latter, but I don't think the repository should be limited to just simple SQL query examples. It could be organized by topic, e.g., patrons, items, holds, etc. There actually already exists a model out there. The SirsiDynix users group had the SQL Bloodbank (website), that later became a centrally managed wiki for these SQL queries. Melissa, my email address -- terl...@biblio.org. Thanks for sending along some of yours. Amy Bibliomation Middlebury, CT www.biblio.org Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 10:14:50 -0300 From: Melissa Belvadi mbelv...@upei.ca Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] ***SPAM*** Re: SQL Repository? To: Evergreen Discussion Group open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org Message-ID: 4ac7241a.86cb.008...@groupwise.upei.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I agree with Dan about it being pretty broad. But there might be some basic samples that we could share, to offer best practices. For instance, when crossing tables, there are two ways - to use join or two use explicit ands to connect the corresponding columns. I've done it both ways but notice that when we get sql scripts from Equinox, they always use the join syntax, so I'm starting to switch. Maybe the first thing to establish is whether the intent is to provide complex canned scripts for common functions run regularly, like Conifer's perl scripts, or shorter examples that help to demonstrate the relational structure of the tables for use in making quick one-off queries in something like pgadmin. Amy, I'd be happy to send you some examples of the latter, if you give me your email address. Melissa Belvadi
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Interesting proposal about approachingEvergreengovernance
While I agree that the environment is different from dealing with a proprietary vendor, it still seems to me that adding a foundation into the mix is just adding an unnecessary layer. Is there any reason that a user group cannot be set up so that it directs development? Deanna Frazee Killeen City Library System (254) 501-8995 (254) 501-7704 (fax) dfra...@ci.killeen.tx.us -Original Message- From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils- general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Jason Stephenson Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 9:37 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Interesting proposal about approachingEvergreengovernance Quoting Deanna Frazee dfra...@ci.killeen.tx.us: I disagree that a foundation is needed. A properly incorporated users group can serve the same purpose as the foundation, much as we did in CODI. CODI held the source code for the various Dynix incarnations in escrow and handled collecting and prioritizing enhancement requests. At the time I was on the board, we had 5 or 6 at-large members in addition to the standard officer positions. Each at-large member was voted in by the membership to fill a specific purpose such as for their expertise in a particular module or to coordinate with the company on enhancements. A users' group works well when there is a proprietary vendor. However,in an open source project, with whom would this users' group coordinate? You would end up needing an Evergreen Foundation anyway to direct development and to coordinate with the users' group. I am, of course, assuming a traditional users' group along the lines of CODI (of which my employer is still a member) where the users prioritize development goals and request feature enhancements. That kind of arrangement doesn't work in open source unless there is already some foundation setup with whom the users' group can coordinate. However, if that users' group is composed of the people contributing to the project with code, time, money, and other resources, then it might work, but after a while it would likely need some corporate structure in the form of a foundation. Deanna Frazee Killeen City Library System (254) 501-8995 (254) 501-7704 (fax) dfra...@ci.killeen.tx.us From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Karen Schneider Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:35 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Interesting proposal about approachingEvergreengovernance On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Thomas Corbett tcorb...@cwmars.org wrote: Hi Karen, Speaking for the folks at the nearby starting a users group discussion table, we'd like to see a foundation developed first and then a User Group considered later -- if needed (depending on the role and success of the foundation). This is at least a good kickoff discussion. :-) Did your table have some insights to share into the organizational structure and roles of the foundation? (Don't forget there are still lightning talk slots tomorrow morning..!) One question: what kind of detail are you (speaking for the group at the table!) considering when you suggest an online spreadsheet listing acquisition projects? For selfish reasons, it would be most helpful for us to have these projects described in as much detail as possible, preferably listing out specific software requirements. The level of detail wasn't spec'd out in this discussion, but it would seem desirable to have more than less detail, accompanied by prioritization. Just tossing this out, what if initially each Evergreen project provided all of its required requirements and then a set amount (10? 25?) of its highly desired requirements? Also, without a foundation's pool of money, independently financed projects will trump all others (not necessarily a bad thing) no matter what this informal group decides are the top priorities. Nonetheless, I think such a pilot project would be worth pursuing. Tom, that's a good point, though if such a list existed, it's possible the money would follow. When there is collective prioritization, there is finally something to collectively fund. It would not actually take a foundation to be in place for projects to decide to jointly fund development. It would be more cumbersome (and therefore prove the value of a foundation) but unless I'm missing something it would not be unfeasible. -- -- | Karen G. Schneider | Community Librarian | Equinox Software Inc. The Evergreen Experts | Toll-free: 1.877.Open.ILS (1.877.673.6457) x712 | k...@esilibrary.com | Web: http://www.esilibrary.com | Be a part of the Evergreen International Conference, May 20-22, 2009
[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holdings not showing in OPAC view
I am trying to learn the cataloging functions of Evergreen, but in spite of the great documentation I have downloaded from those who have gone before me, I cannot seem to make the holdings I create show up in the OPAC view. I can see them just fine in Holdings Maintenance. However, when I search the OPAC, only the bib record shows up. It indicates that no holdings are attached. Any ideas on what I am doing wrong? Deanna Frazee Killeen City Library System (254) 501-8995 (254) 501-7704 (fax) dfra...@ci.killeen.tx.us
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holdings not showing in OPAC view
Thank you, Frances Jason, but neither one seems to be the problem. I have made sure that I have chosen to see the holdings of all locations, and I went through the organizational hierarchy and made sure everything indicated that it should be OPAC visible. No dice. When I look at the My Title Results screen, it shows I have 2 copies at each location. So it knows I have holdings, it just will not let me see them. Could it have something to do with the circulation modifer or the stat category? I have set up a stat category, but it does not appear when I try to attach it to the holdings. And I cannot figure out where to set up the circulation modifier. Could those be my problem? Deanna Frazee Killeen City Library System (254) 501-8995 (254) 501-7704 (fax) dfra...@ci.killeen.tx.us -Original Message- From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils- general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Jason Stephenson Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 4:21 PM To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holdings not showing in OPAC view Quoting Deanna Frazee dfra...@ci.killeen.tx.us: I am trying to learn the cataloging functions of Evergreen, but in spite of the great documentation I have downloaded from those who have gone before me, I cannot seem to make the holdings I create show up in the OPAC view. I can see them just fine in Holdings Maintenance. However, when I search the OPAC, only the bib record shows up. It indicates that no holdings are attached. I had a similar problem the other week with no holding showing in the OPAC. You might want to make sure that all levels of your Org. Hierarchy have OPAC Visible turned on. I had 3 layers of structure with the middle layer set to no OPAC visibility. Setting it to on for that layer fixed my problem with no holdings in the OPAC. Jason Any ideas on what I am doing wrong? Deanna Frazee Killeen City Library System (254) 501-8995 (254) 501-7704 (fax) dfra...@ci.killeen.tx.us
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Is there a dress codefor theEvergreenconference?
True. Pearl-handled revolvers are appropriate for only the most classy mob events. Deanna -Original Message- From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Don Hamilton Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 2:02 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Is there a dress codefor theEvergreenconference? pearls and heels, but one never goes wrong packing them... unless it's a pearl handled revolver... Don Hardy, Elaine eha...@georgialibraries.org 06-03-2009 2:44 PM May in Georgia can have varying temps -- usually warm, so the skirt and blouse with a matching sweater is always in good taste. Solinet includes the wording in all their registrations. Some of their classes are for book repair where people need to wear something that won't get ruined by glues and other substances. I don't know that they have a class that requires pearls and heels, but one never goes wrong packing them just in case Elaine J. Elaine Hardy PINES Bibliographic Projects and Metadata Manager Georgia Public Library Service, A Unit of the University System of Georgia 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 Atlanta, Ga. 30345-4304 404.235-7128 404.235-7201, fax eha...@georgialibraries.org www.georgialibraries.org -Original Message- From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Deanna Frazee Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 1:11 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Is there a dress code for theEvergreenconference? I suggest a knit skirt and blouse, David. I think you will find them more comfortable than a dress, plus they won't wrinkle in your suitcase. Not to mention that you can pair them up with other sets for a quick change from work wear to something suitable for evening. Just don't forget to bring your heels if you plan any nights on the town. ;) Deanna Frazee Killeen City Library System (254) 501-8995 (254) 501-7704 (fax) dfra...@ci.killeen.tx.us -Original Message- From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils- general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of David Fiander Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 11:11 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Is there a dress code for the Evergreenconference? I'm now registered for the Evergreen conference, and I'm very excited to attend. The registration confirmation that I received from SOLINET informs me that Some events may have a list of materials or recommended dress. Please review the description for this event on the Solinet web site. So, is there a recommended dress for this event? On second reading, I don't have any dresses at all, so I would appreciate it if somebody would recommend one for me, if I am expected to wear one. - David
RE: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Feature inquiry
But it is relevant to Evergreen development, at least in the sense that tagging is something that may or may not belong in any good ILS. And I agree, most library catalogs suffer from poor authority control. I try to devote a few hours per week to clean up the most egregious problems in ours, but that only scratches the surface. My problem with tagging is that it needs some sort of moderation or at least a good spell checker that can suggest a list of exist options from which the user can select. Sort of a two step process where the user types the tag they think they would like to use, and a list of similar existing terms pops up. They can select from the list or select their own. It still allows for the person to add to the clutter by going on with yet another version of the word, but with any luck, maybe they will choose an existing one instead. Of course, I also want a bigger building, more money for databases and a more open hours. I tend to want things that I don't get. Deanna Frazee Killeen City Library System (254) 501-8995 (254) 501-7704 (fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:open-ils- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stuart Miller Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 4:33 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: RE: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Feature inquiry Deanna, I certainly don't object to making tagging optional, but I think it really is something that every library should offer. I agree that tagging can be quite messy and inevitably leads to situations such as you describe. But after all, you DID find the product with just the one term, so does it matter that others added many variants? I agree that using controlled vocabulary schemes can sometimes be more efficient, but I think we see tagging as a boon for any group with a shared interest, especially when LCSH doesn't really cut it. And students appear to ENJOY this capability--and probably assign tags that are more easily recognizable among their peers than some of the rather bizarre and sometimes woefully outdated LC headings. And, judging from the subject cataloging I've seen in our large database, I'm not sure that librarians can lay any special claim to consistency or scientific rigor when assigning subject headings. I think any group--academically inclined or otherwise--has its own informal lingo that is well served by tagging. Sorry, not really directly relevant to Evergreen development! Stuart Miller -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:open-ils- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Deanna Frazee Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 3:57 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: RE: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Feature inquiry And while you're asking, what about tagging? I think it's fair to say that Web 2.0 features are expected these days--and not just by the younger users. We need to keep library user interfaces more up-to-date more quickly than has been the case in the past. E.g., most database vendors had citation export features LONG before we got it into the old OPACs. I partially agree with Stuart, yet I think tagging is highly over-rated since it allows for so much randomness as to be useless in many cases. In particular, I think we give up too much when we bow to having uncontrolled headings. For example, in a recent search to replace my vacuum cleaner, I discovered a product on Amazon.com with the following tags: vacuum, vacuums, vacuum cleaner, vacuum cleaners, great and a variety of misspellings of vacuum. Starting with the obvious great is not a useful tag unless you are putting it on your own book list to remind you which books were most enjoyable. Beyond that, we have a situation that begs for a nice spell checker and suggestions for what the person really meant. Yes, the ability to tag should be there. But make it a feature that can be turned off by those of us who do not want it. Deanna Frazee Killeen City Library System
RE: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Feature inquiry
I love LibraryThing, but it's value is as a personal tool. In my mind, a library's catalog is a tool for the masses, and therefore should not work the same way. I can see no reason for the masses to provide their own cataloging. It is just a constant recreation of the wheel. Instead, take an existing record and modify it for your own use, e.g., copy cataloging. Maybe this is an area where FRBR can play a role. One base record for the masses, yet each takes it and puts in their own extras to create something more personal. Perhaps my thing is that if everyone does and we end up with endless personal records, it all just becomes clutter. Deanna Frazee Killeen City Library System (254) 501-8995 (254) 501-7704 (fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:open-ils- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Etheridge Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 4:48 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Feature inquiry Yes, the ability to tag should be there. But make it a feature that can be turned off by those of us who do not want it. Part of the problem with the wisdom of the masses aspect of tagging is building incentive and getting a critical mass for a network effect. Personal tagging has its own incentive, and maybe the predominantly privacy-conscious librarians will let us set the default to Shared for personal tagging in their libraries, but is it and will it be enough to kick off the process? LibraryThing[1] hits the incentive nail on the head; the whole point there is to catalog your books. But that's not the point of _current_ library catalogs (we need to change that--the library website could be a tool to help you organize your data rather than merely find data). This potential lack of incentive and resulting sparseness of data is one reason why I'm very interested in the SOPAC[2], and more importantly, its Insurge component (Independent Social Repository). With Insurge you can share user-contributed data between catalogs and populations. So if one library manages to hit upon an incentive for their population (for example, Oakville and Bibliocommon's Build the Ultimate Catalog contest[3], if it were not a silo), then everyone benefits. Some ideas? Get the third party open source catalogs working on Evergreen (VuFind[5], SOPAC, Blacklight[6], etc.). Get commercial OPAC-related products working on Evergreen (LibraryThing for Libraries[7], AquaBrowser[8], Endeca[9], etc.). Many folks have harped on the notion of a dis-integrated library system. It's a good idea, and it's one reason why we built Evergreen with a service oriented architecture. Freedom breeds innovation (actually, that's a bit of a fib--problems and constraints breed innovation, but you need the freedom to innovate, to well, innovate, so it's worth advocating freedom). Give Evergreen a way to consume the bookbags and RSS feeds it produces. Try to engage the patron with little sidebar surveys and the like (Hey, since you last signed in, you have returned these books: xxx, xxx, xxx. What did you think of them?) Participate in the Next Generation Catalog For Libraries (NGC4LIB[10]) mailing list. [1] - http://www.librarything.com/ [2] - http://www.thesocialopac.net/ [3] - http://opl.bibliocommons.com/info/contest [5] - http://www.vufind.org/ [6] - http://lib.virginia.edu/digital/resndev/blacklight.html [7] - http://www.librarything.com/forlibraries/ [8] - http://www.aquabrowser.com/ [9] - http://www.endeca.com/ [10] - http://dewey.library.nd.edu/mailing-lists/ngc4lib/ -- Jason Etheridge | VP, Community Support and Advocacy | Equinox Software, Inc. / The Evergreen Experts | phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | web: http://www.esilibrary.com
RE: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Feature inquiry
Build a centralized tagging repository that all Evergreen software can share. Assign tags to some kind of identifier (ISBN, LCCN, OCLCnum, allowing all of these), depending on what's there. To allow tags to be applied across catalogs. Build it on an open protocol so, although it will be built into Evergreen, other software can use it too. Jonathan has hit on what I'm trying to say. He just said it much better than I did! Deanna Frazee Killeen City Library System (254) 501-8995 (254) 501-7704 (fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Feature inquiry
This prompts another thought. If I eventually am persuaded to allow tagging (and if I persuade my staff that it is worthwhile), can we have tagging only by someone who has actually checked out the item? One of the problems with Amazon, for example, is that anyone can go in and tag an item. Granted, many people will not abuse this, but not everyone has scruples. Another thing that would make it more palatable is if you could have a list of disallowed words or something that alerts library staff to disallowed words. I'm thinking here more of words like great or stupid. As tags, these are so subjective as to be useless. Yes, I know, this is still going against the wisdom of the masses. The Who Wants to Be a Millionaire audience did not always know the answer, though. Deanna Frazee Killeen City Library System (254) 501-8995 (254) 501-7704 (fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:open-ils- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Fiander Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:25 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Feature inquiry Academic research has show that wisdom of the masses does work in certain specific kinds of settings. Librarything, google, delicious, and the ask the audience lifeline on Who Wants to be a Millionaire all demonstrate that it works on a more pragmatic way. The problem is that there have to be masses involved in being wise, and the library staff don't count as the masses. This is why Librarything for Libraries works: it's taking a REAL mass of book lovers and using that as the base collection of tags and ratings for the library catalogue, rather than trying to create a new collection of tags from scratch in a small community (it doesn't matter how big your library is, the set of users that will tag is small compared to the LT community). -David On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Jason Etheridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Deanna Frazee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wisdom of the massesthat's where my problem lies. I don't believe it exists :) Wisdom of the masses is the main way that relevancy in Google works. Except, instead of tagging, it's linking. -- Jason Etheridge | VP, Community Support and Advocacy | Equinox Software, Inc. / The Evergreen Experts | phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | web: http://www.esilibrary.com
RE: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Feature inquiry
Stuart, That's the problem with not reading all of the email first; I discovered after that someone else had already said it. Ah well, if they wouldn't make me go to meetings, I wouldn't have so many emails the next morning! The My Discoveries window sounds like just the sort of thing I would want to see, although it would be nice to have it open automatically. The other issues is the desire for consistency. I think many people, not just us librarians, want it. But I fear the mess that will be created by all those people out there who have yet to see the usefulness of consistency. And ultimately, it is my fear that my catalog will be as cluttered as my office that keeps me from embracing tagging. Oddly, I love the idea of Chili Fresh and the ability of patrons to contribute reviews (but only if they actually checked out the book). My hope is that we can go after that shortly after we get Evergreen going in a month or two. Deanna Frazee Killeen City Library System (254) 501-8995 (254) 501-7704 (fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:open-ils- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stuart Miller Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:06 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: RE: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Feature inquiry Deanna, Don't we all! But I think you've hit on what another poster was saying: the way in which tagging works is the key. Not just to have tagging. For example, the tagging feature in AquaBrowser to me is irritating because when I'm actually looking at a record and want to tag it, I can't see my existing tags--I have to open the My Discoveries window to see them. And of course I do that because I WANT to be consistent--it's the librarian in me. We seemed to have touched off quite a lot of discussion. Who knew? Stuart -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:open-ils- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Deanna Frazee Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 9:15 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: RE: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Feature inquiry But it is relevant to Evergreen development, at least in the sense that tagging is something that may or may not belong in any good ILS. And I agree, most library catalogs suffer from poor authority control. I try to devote a few hours per week to clean up the most egregious problems in ours, but that only scratches the surface. My problem with tagging is that it needs some sort of moderation or at least a good spell checker that can suggest a list of exist options from which the user can select. Sort of a two step process where the user types the tag they think they would like to use, and a list of similar existing terms pops up. They can select from the list or select their own. It still allows for the person to add to the clutter by going on with yet another version of the word, but with any luck, maybe they will choose an existing one instead. Of course, I also want a bigger building, more money for databases and a more open hours. I tend to want things that I don't get. Deanna Frazee Killeen City Library System (254) 501-8995 (254) 501-7704 (fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:open-ils- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stuart Miller Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 4:33 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: RE: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Feature inquiry Deanna, I certainly don't object to making tagging optional, but I think it really is something that every library should offer. I agree that tagging can be quite messy and inevitably leads to situations such as you describe. But after all, you DID find the product with just the one term, so does it matter that others added many variants? I agree that using controlled vocabulary schemes can sometimes be more efficient, but I think we see tagging as a boon for any group with a shared interest, especially when LCSH doesn't really cut it. And students appear to ENJOY this capability--and probably assign tags that are more easily recognizable among their peers than some of the rather bizarre and sometimes woefully outdated LC headings. And, judging from the subject cataloging I've seen in our large database, I'm not sure that librarians can lay any special claim to consistency or scientific rigor when assigning subject headings. I think any group--academically inclined or otherwise--has its own informal lingo that is well served by tagging. Sorry, not really directly relevant to Evergreen development! Stuart Miller -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:open-ils- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Deanna Frazee Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 3:57 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: RE: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Feature inquiry And while you're asking, what about tagging? I think it's fair to say that Web 2.0 features are expected
RE: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Feature inquiry
Some way for people to keep a temporary bookbag or citation list would be nice. Deanna Frazee Killeen City Library System (254) 501-8995 (254) 501-7704 (fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:open-ils- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Grant Johnson Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 12:40 PM To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Feature inquiry Anyone find these features useful? 1) Export to Refworks 2) An anonymous keep feature similar to a bookbag without requiring a login? So Patrons can print out citation lists, export to Refworks (when it comes) etc.. with out requiring a login. -- F. Grant Johnson Systems Coordinator Robertson Library University of Prince Edward Island
RE: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Is it time to begin retiring open-ils.org?
Yes, it is time to change to something like evergreen-ils.org. I think it better indicates what ILS the various lists are discussing. Deanna Frazee Killeen City Library System (254) 501-8995 (254) 501-7704 (fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:open-ils- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Karen G. Schneider Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 3:24 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Is it time to begin retiring open-ils.org? When I got involved with Evergreen one of my questions was What is 'open-ils'? I found out it was an early name for the software code that would become Evergreen. I've been asking various people in the Evergreen community for a few weeks, What do you think about the idea of retiring 'open-ils'... for example, moving to evergreen-ils.org (and have it also respond toevergreenils.org, and redirect from open-ils.org), eventually renaming the lists, IRC channels, etc.? We reserved both domain names, by the way. So far everyone I've talked to likes the idea (or at least agrees with it). But that's still a small group of people. So now I'm surfacing the question to this list. What do you think? Is it time to have our web address, etc. reflect the name, Evergreen? I know my own reasons for preferring the change (my early name was Pooh Bear, but nobody except my mother calls me that any more...and you can't Google me up that way), but I'm just one voice in the community. (Incidentally, open-ils will probably never really go away--it's embedded in parts of Evergreen's code. So we'd have that nostalgic connection.) -- | Karen G. No, you cannot call me Pooh Bear Schneider | Community Librarian | Equinox Software Inc. The Evergreen Experts | Toll-free: 1.877.Open.ILS (1.877.673.6457) x712 | E-Mail/AIM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Web: http://www.esilibrary.com
RE: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Monthly welcome message to open-ils* readers
I would prefer to have just one dev list. To me, it is easier to skip reading those messages in which I am not interested than it is to monitor multiple lists and try to keep track of useful postings that may have been posted to the wrong list. Deanna Frazee Killeen City Library System (254) 501-8995 (254) 501-7704 (fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:open-ils- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Etheridge Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 12:42 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Monthly welcome message to open-ils* readers I toss this out only as one idea among possibly many... thoughts? I know when this came up before, at least one person advocated having just the one dev list: http://list.georgialibraries.org/pipermail/open-ils-general/2007- May/thread.html#287 What do folks think about getting into the habit of tagging our subject headers, so we could filter on their absence or presence as desired? For example: [off-topic] how about those Bears? -- Jason Etheridge | VP, Community Support and Advocacy | Equinox Software, Inc. / The Evergreen Experts | phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | web: http://www.esilibrary.com
RE: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] LOC Z39.50 Search and ISBN numbers
You are correct; LC does not own copies of all USA-published books. This is particularly common when it comes to paperback fiction. Many other libraries may have a record for the paperback edition, though. Our copy catalogers search a variety of libraries using Z39.50 searching, then download the most accurate record. At the moment we aren't downloading to Evergreen since it is still in testing, but we will be in just a few more months. Deanna Frazee Killeen City Library System (254) 501-8995 (254) 501-7704 (fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:open-ils- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don McMorris Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 1:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] LOC Z39.50 Search and ISBN numbers Hi RobertC, By Voyager, I assume you mean the Library of Congress Voyager database (one of the default targets in Evergreen). Is this correct? Now, I did a quick search on the LC (http://catalog.loc.gov) by that ISBN, and also did not get any results. This leads me to believe that LC simply doesn't have a bibliographic record with this ISBN. In this case, the publisher probably simply may've applied a new ISBN for the different format, and may not have submitted the alternate format to the LC. In short, the LC Voyager database does /not/ include all USA-published books (and may even include some non-US published titles). I'm sure there's a cataloger on-list that probably knows more than I about the LC process... If so, please share ;) --Don On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 1:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been using the Z38.50 (voyager) search to import bib records into EG. This is working well and saving a ton of typing :-) but I have noticed one point that seems a bit strange. Sometimes I don't find the exact ISBN number of a book. I know that the copy is being loaded has been out for a while (since we acquired it several years ago). Example: The Da Vinci Code paperback ISBN 0-385-51322-4 Publisher: Doubleday. The search yields nothing for this ISBN When searching for Da Vinci in the Title and Brown, Dan in the Author there are 2 found: ISBN 0385513755 Special Illustrated edition (my paperback has no pictures) ISBN 0385504209This is the hardcover edition. Neither of these 2 seem to be correct for the paperback I have in hand. My assumption so far has been that the Voyager search would find at lease all USA published books. Is this incorrect? Thanks for any info. RobertC
RE: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Presenting at LinuxFest Northwest
I think a comparison of support for a traditional ILS and for an open-source ILS would be very interesting to participants. A lot of ILS's have come and gone, often due to vendor mergers, and those who have been burned are looking for ways to avoid that in the future. Plus, with an open-source system you don't have to wait for your enhancement to be voted on and the tucked into next year's schedule, then ignored when they got stuck on another problem, ad nauseum. You either do it yourself, hire someone to do, or hope someone does and is willing to share. Of course, I may be biased in thinking that people want to know the longterm viability of the system. I'm one of those that got burned. Deanna Frazee Killeen City Library System (254) 501-8995 (254) 501-7704 (fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:open-ils- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Bartell Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 11:48 PM To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Presenting at LinuxFest Northwest Hey. Im going to be presenting a talk about FOSS in libraries, and am probably going to focus a lot on evergreen. This brings up the question of what exactly do you think people would be interested in seeing at such a conference. I was thinking of giving an overview of what Evergreen/open-ils is, and overview the costs of tradidtional ils' and compare those prices to prices of evergreen support companies. The ill go over installation and demo usage of evergreen. does anyone have any more ideas of what i should talk about? possibly how GPLS sort of instigated its creation? -- He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past. - 1984 The use of math in the real world is telling the diffeence between $5 and $50 on your paycheck - Math teacher Random quote of the week/month/whenever i get to updating it: Don't worry about people stealing an idea. If it's original, you will have to ram it down their throats. - Howard Aiken
RE: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] weekly svn commits news
I'd prefer it to come through open-ils-general. In addition to having one less list, it will keep the discussion in one place too. Deanna Frazee Killeen City Library System (254) 501-8995 (254) 501-7704 (fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Fink Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 1:52 PM To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] weekly svn commits news Hey folks, At Access 2007 http://access2007.uvic.ca there was a load of interest in Evergreen -- two hackfest projects, multiple mentions in speeches, a very well attended Birds of a Feather session. It was at this last one that someone mentioned (can't remember who -- apologies!) that they'd like to have some sort of weekly-ish digest of the new features that come over the commit list. I've decided to take a crack at it. So I'd like to ask -- should I set up a separate email list for this, or is everyone okay with it going to open-ils-general? jf -- http://libgrunt.blogspot.com -- library culture and technology.
