MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
(resending this because it was rejected by the lists, sorry if you received this twice) Hi all, I'm also finalizing the proposal for the clinical database workshop, please review it here:https://openehr.atlassian.net/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4554760If anyone wants to modify or add anything, just add a comment on the wiki.The deadline is next week, please hurry up if you want to review the contents.Thanks!-- Kind regards,Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrezhttp://cabolabs.com -- Kind regards, Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez http://cabolabs.com From: skoba at moss.gr.jp Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 01:45:04 +0900 Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials To: openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org CC: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org Hi colleagues, Can I finalize this developers' workshop proposal? https://openehr.atlassian.net/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4554784 Today is just before one week to the workshop deadline. Shinji KOBAYASHI 2014-12-18 20:52 GMT+09:00 Shinji KOBAYASHI skoba at moss.gr.jp: Hi colleagues, I am preparing to submit openEHR developers' workshop in this openEHR wiki page. https://openehr.atlassian.net/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4554784 If you got interested in participating this workshop, please add your name and brief summary(100-200 words) of your project on this wiki until Dec 31 2014. Anyone can join this workshop, if you have working on development around openEHR. Thank you for your concern about this workshop and contributing on wiki. I am looking forward to meeting you in Sao Paolo. Shinji KOBAYASHI 2014-10-30 17:21 GMT+09:00 Luis Marco luismarco at gmail.com: Hi Pablo, I will be in Medinfo therefore we can coordinate together the Spanish language resources ;-) Regards, Luis 2014-10-29 17:14 GMT+01:00 pablo pazos pazospablo at hotmail.com: Hi Sam, I think right now the tutorial organization is happening in a very organic way: people are sharing they proposals so others can collaborate or detect possible overlaps. If we need a group to centralize coordination or communication with MedInfo organizers/chairs, I would propose the people interested no giving tutorials that is mentioned here: http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2015+-+Sao+Paulo%2C+Brazil On my part, I don't have resources to have an stand (flight + hotel + conference fee is not cheap for us), but if I can help in any way, e.g. the community can use me as an spanish speaker interlocutor, I'll be more than happy to help and add my grain of sand. About training, I'm doing a small survey to see what people think about the proposals already discussed on the lists. My goal is to curate that and to reach a new level of discussions beyond ideas. I don't have Heather Grain's email, I'll gladly send her my little survey (Already sent to Heather L and Evelyn). Cheers, Pablo. -- Kind regards, Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez http://cabolabs.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openehr.org/pipermail/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org/attachments/20150111/c159f3dc/attachment.html
MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
Hi colleagues, Can I finalize this developers' workshop proposal? https://openehr.atlassian.net/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4554784 Today is just before one week to the workshop deadline. Shinji KOBAYASHI 2014-12-18 20:52 GMT+09:00 Shinji KOBAYASHI skoba at moss.gr.jp: Hi colleagues, I am preparing to submit openEHR developers' workshop in this openEHR wiki page. https://openehr.atlassian.net/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4554784 If you got interested in participating this workshop, please add your name and brief summary(100-200 words) of your project on this wiki until Dec 31 2014. Anyone can join this workshop, if you have working on development around openEHR. Thank you for your concern about this workshop and contributing on wiki. I am looking forward to meeting you in Sao Paolo. Shinji KOBAYASHI 2014-10-30 17:21 GMT+09:00 Luis Marco luismarco at gmail.com: Hi Pablo, I will be in Medinfo therefore we can coordinate together the Spanish language resources ;-) Regards, Luis 2014-10-29 17:14 GMT+01:00 pablo pazos pazospablo at hotmail.com: Hi Sam, I think right now the tutorial organization is happening in a very organic way: people are sharing they proposals so others can collaborate or detect possible overlaps. If we need a group to centralize coordination or communication with MedInfo organizers/chairs, I would propose the people interested no giving tutorials that is mentioned here: http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2015+-+Sao+Paulo%2C+Brazil On my part, I don't have resources to have an stand (flight + hotel + conference fee is not cheap for us), but if I can help in any way, e.g. the community can use me as an spanish speaker interlocutor, I'll be more than happy to help and add my grain of sand. About training, I'm doing a small survey to see what people think about the proposals already discussed on the lists. My goal is to curate that and to reach a new level of discussions beyond ideas. I don't have Heather Grain's email, I'll gladly send her my little survey (Already sent to Heather L and Evelyn). Cheers, Pablo. -- Kind regards, Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez http://cabolabs.com From: sam.heard at openehrfoundation.org To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 04:50:10 + CC: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org Thanks Pablo Good feedback. It has been difficult to keep up with everything and I am in no way trying to impede any activity. I believe this is the first International Medinfo in a country where openEHR is up and running. My wish is to have a group that coordinate the effort. If you feel you have this in hand, lets make sure it is public and people know who to go to. Are there any plans to have an openEHR stand? This could enable a group of companies to promote what they are doing? Evelyn Hovenga and Heather Grain have been working with Heather Leslie regarding accrediting training?. have you talked to them? Do we need a group coordinating this? Cheers Sam Dr Sam Heard Chairman, openEHR Foundation From: pablo pazos Sent: ?Thursday?, ?23? ?October? ?2014 ?4?:?57? ?PM To: For openEHR clinical discussions Cc: For openEHR technical discussions, For openEHR implementation discussions Hi Sam, I think we are coordinating this already :) IMO that's the point of having the wiki pages and asking colleagues to add content, proposals and comments. I think the idea of a key note is great, and I want to collaborate in any way I can, but... as you an others may know, I asked several times for endorsement and support (not talking about money) from the foundation on the training side, to standardize the contents, to have a formal way of certification, and spread the standard, but the board went silent. I'm very pragmatic and I don't know why this is so difficult, for me this is treated in a very political way and should be something technical. With that being said, for me, talking about training under the foundation banner is at least weird. Maybe this is not a good place or time to mention this, but is how I honestly feel about the proposal. I long to see the work I try to do to create awareness about the standard to be supported by the foundation. To be honest, the only support I got is from the Chilean Association of Healthcare Informatics (ACHISA) with whom I'm very thankful because without them I wouldn't be able to create the first online course 100% about openEHR in spanish and provide it to more than 140 people from 15 countries. -- Kind regards, Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez http://cabolabs.com From: sam.heard at openehrfoundation.org To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 05:48:00 + CC
MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
Hi all, I'm also finalizing the proposal for the clinical database workshop, please review it here: https://openehr.atlassian.net/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4554760 If anyone wants to modify or add anything, just add a comment on the wiki. The deadline is next week, please hurry up if you want to review the contents. Thanks! -- Kind regards, Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez http://cabolabs.com From: skoba at moss.gr.jp Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 01:45:04 +0900 Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials To: openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org CC: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org Hi colleagues, Can I finalize this developers' workshop proposal? https://openehr.atlassian.net/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4554784 Today is just before one week to the workshop deadline. Shinji KOBAYASHI 2014-12-18 20:52 GMT+09:00 Shinji KOBAYASHI skoba at moss.gr.jp: Hi colleagues, I am preparing to submit openEHR developers' workshop in this openEHR wiki page. https://openehr.atlassian.net/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4554784 If you got interested in participating this workshop, please add your name and brief summary(100-200 words) of your project on this wiki until Dec 31 2014. Anyone can join this workshop, if you have working on development around openEHR. Thank you for your concern about this workshop and contributing on wiki. I am looking forward to meeting you in Sao Paolo. Shinji KOBAYASHI 2014-10-30 17:21 GMT+09:00 Luis Marco luismarco at gmail.com: Hi Pablo, I will be in Medinfo therefore we can coordinate together the Spanish language resources ;-) Regards, Luis 2014-10-29 17:14 GMT+01:00 pablo pazos pazospablo at hotmail.com: Hi Sam, I think right now the tutorial organization is happening in a very organic way: people are sharing they proposals so others can collaborate or detect possible overlaps. If we need a group to centralize coordination or communication with MedInfo organizers/chairs, I would propose the people interested no giving tutorials that is mentioned here: http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2015+-+Sao+Paulo%2C+Brazil On my part, I don't have resources to have an stand (flight + hotel + conference fee is not cheap for us), but if I can help in any way, e.g. the community can use me as an spanish speaker interlocutor, I'll be more than happy to help and add my grain of sand. About training, I'm doing a small survey to see what people think about the proposals already discussed on the lists. My goal is to curate that and to reach a new level of discussions beyond ideas. I don't have Heather Grain's email, I'll gladly send her my little survey (Already sent to Heather L and Evelyn). Cheers, Pablo. -- Kind regards, Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez http://cabolabs.com From: sam.heard at openehrfoundation.org To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 04:50:10 + CC: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org Thanks Pablo Good feedback. It has been difficult to keep up with everything and I am in no way trying to impede any activity. I believe this is the first International Medinfo in a country where openEHR is up and running. My wish is to have a group that coordinate the effort. If you feel you have this in hand, lets make sure it is public and people know who to go to. Are there any plans to have an openEHR stand? This could enable a group of companies to promote what they are doing? Evelyn Hovenga and Heather Grain have been working with Heather Leslie regarding accrediting training?. have you talked to them? Do we need a group coordinating this? Cheers Sam Dr Sam Heard Chairman, openEHR Foundation From: pablo pazos Sent: ?Thursday?, ?23? ?October? ?2014 ?4?:?57? ?PM To: For openEHR clinical discussions Cc: For openEHR technical discussions, For openEHR implementation discussions Hi Sam, I think we are coordinating this already :) IMO that's the point of having the wiki pages and asking colleagues to add content, proposals and comments. I think the idea of a key note is great, and I want to collaborate in any way I can, but... as you an others may know, I asked several times for endorsement and support (not talking about money) from the foundation on the training side, to standardize the contents, to have a formal way of certification, and spread the standard, but the board went silent. I'm very pragmatic and I don't know why this is so difficult, for me this is treated in a very political way and should be something technical. With that being said, for me, talking about training under the foundation banner is at least weird
MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
Hi Evelyn, I?m very interested in the work you?re doing with this. I?ve just got confirmation I can attend Medinfo next year, so I?d be very happy to be part of this discussion there. I?d also like to contribute to the clinical modelling tutorial/workshop, as outlined on the wiki page. Has anyone taken the lead on submitting the proposals? If so, is there anything I can do? If not, is anyone planning to? Kind regards, Silje Ljosland Bakke Coordinator, National Editorial Board for Archetypes, National ICT Norway Special Adviser, RD dept, E-health section, Bergen Hospital Trust Tel. +47 40203298 Web: http://arketyper.no / Twitter: @arketyper_nohttps://twitter.com/arketyper_no From: openEHR-clinical [mailto:openehr-clinical-boun...@lists.openehr.org] On Behalf Of Evelyn Hovenga Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 11:10 PM To: 'For openEHR clinical discussions'; 'Sam Heard' Cc: 'For openEHR technical discussions'; 'For openEHR implementation discussions' Subject: RE: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials Pablo, Heather Grain and I are working with Heather Leslie to develop the openEHR body of knowledge and an educational framework that will allow students to identify suitable learning pathways and enable educators to develop educational programs according to their own expertise and opportunities to deliver. It would be beneficial to have some time with all potential educators to discuss this further at Medinfo. Evelyn eHealth Education Pty Ltd, RTO 32279 (trading as RSC Training and eHE Training) ? e.hovenga at ehe.edu.aumailto:e.hovenga at ehe.edu.au ? 0408309839 ' 1300 285 512 ? www.ehe.edu.auhttp://www.ehe.edu.au/ From: openEHR-clinical [mailto:openehr-clinical-bounces at lists.openehr.org] On Behalf Of sam.heard at openehrfoundation.orgmailto:sam.he...@openehrfoundation.org Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2014 8:08 AM To: For openEHR clinical discussions; Sam Heard Cc: For openEHR technical discussions; For openEHR implementation discussions Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials Thanks Pablo It is a good team. I have added one possible topic and a couple of names. I would suggest that you lead this if you are able. We are keen to nominate a lead person for each conference. Then put together a team from the attendees. Linking to the Web site and ensuring your work is visible is important. The deadline of December 15 will arrive quicker than we expect. I will be pleased to assist in any way I can and have booked my ticket to the conference. Cheers, Sam Dr Sam Heard Chairman, openEHR Foundation From: pablo pazosmailto:pazospa...@hotmail.com Sent: ?Thursday?, ?30? ?October? ?2014 ?1?:?44? ?AM To: For openEHR clinical discussionsmailto:openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org, Sam Heardmailto:sam.heard at oceaninformatics.com Cc: For openEHR technical discussionsmailto:openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org, For openEHR implementation discussionsmailto:openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org Hi Sam, I think right now the tutorial organization is happening in a very organic way: people are sharing they proposals so others can collaborate or detect possible overlaps. If we need a group to centralize coordination or communication with MedInfo organizers/chairs, I would propose the people interested no giving tutorials that is mentioned here: http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2015+-+Sao+Paulo%2C+Brazilhttp://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2015+-+Sao+Paulo%2c+Brazil On my part, I don't have resources to have an stand (flight + hotel + conference fee is not cheap for us), but if I can help in any way, e.g. the community can use me as an spanish speaker interlocutor, I'll be more than happy to help and add my grain of sand. About training, I'm doing a small survey to see what people think about the proposals already discussed on the lists. My goal is to curate that and to reach a new level of discussions beyond ideas. I don't have Heather Grain's email, I'll gladly send her my little survey (Already sent to Heather L and Evelyn). Cheers, Pablo. -- Kind regards, Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez http://cabolabs.comhttp://cabolabs.com/es/home From: sam.heard at openehrfoundation.orgmailto:sam.he...@openehrfoundation.org To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.orgmailto:openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 04:50:10 + CC: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.orgmailto:openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.orgmailto:openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org Thanks Pablo Good feedback. It has been difficult to keep up with everything and I am in no way trying to impede any activity. I believe this is the first International Medinfo in a country where openEHR is up and running. My wish is to have a group that coordinate the effort. If you feel you have this in hand, lets make sure it is public
MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
Hi Sam, I think right now the tutorial organization is happening in a very organic way: people are sharing they proposals so others can collaborate or detect possible overlaps. If we need a group to centralize coordination or communication with MedInfo organizers/chairs, I would propose the people interested no giving tutorials that is mentioned here: http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2015+-+Sao+Paulo%2C+Brazil On my part, I don't have resources to have an stand (flight + hotel + conference fee is not cheap for us), but if I can help in any way, e.g. the community can use me as an spanish speaker interlocutor, I'll be more than happy to help and add my grain of sand. About training, I'm doing a small survey to see what people think about the proposals already discussed on the lists. My goal is to curate that and to reach a new level of discussions beyond ideas. I don't have Heather Grain's email, I'll gladly send her my little survey (Already sent to Heather L and Evelyn). Cheers,Pablo. -- Kind regards, Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez http://cabolabs.com From: sam.he...@openehrfoundation.org To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 04:50:10 + CC: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org Thanks Pablo Good feedback. It has been difficult to keep up with everything and I am in no way trying to impede any activity. I believe this is the first International Medinfo in a country where openEHR is up and running. My wish is to have a group that coordinate the effort. If you feel you have this in hand, lets make sure it is public and people know who to go to. Are there any plans to have an openEHR stand? This could enable a group of companies to promote what they are doing? Evelyn Hovenga and Heather Grain have been working with Heather Leslie regarding accrediting training?. have you talked to them? Do we need a group coordinating this? Cheers Sam Dr Sam Heard Chairman, openEHR Foundation From: pablo pazos Sent: ?Thursday?, ?23? ?October? ?2014 ?4?:?57? ?PM To: For openEHR clinical discussions Cc: For openEHR technical discussions, For openEHR implementation discussions Hi Sam, I think we are coordinating this already :) IMO that's the point of having the wiki pages and asking colleagues to add content, proposals and comments. I think the idea of a key note is great, and I want to collaborate in any way I can, but... as you an others may know, I asked several times for endorsement and support (not talking about money) from the foundation on the training side, to standardize the contents, to have a formal way of certification, and spread the standard, but the board went silent. I'm very pragmatic and I don't know why this is so difficult, for me this is treated in a very political way and should be something technical. With that being said, for me, talking about training under the foundation banner is at least weird. Maybe this is not a good place or time to mention this, but is how I honestly feel about the proposal. I long to see the work I try to do to create awareness about the standard to be supported by the foundation. To be honest, the only support I got is from the Chilean Association of Healthcare Informatics (ACHISA) with whom I'm very thankful because without them I wouldn't be able to create the first online course 100% about openEHR in spanish and provide it to more than 140 people from 15 countries. -- Kind regards, Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez http://cabolabs.com From: sam.he...@openehrfoundation.org To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 05:48:00 + CC: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org Hi All It would be good to coordinate this and try and get a full range of options available - clinical and technical.Clearly there are a few people who have already done work in South America who might want to coordinate. I would hope that we may be able to get a key note if we are able to promote this idea. Perhaps a group of speakers on what they are doing with openEHR under the Foundation banner. I am very interested to know who will be attending and would like to present on any openEHR activity. I am happy to coordinate and make this list available to anyone interested. sam.heard at openehrfoundation.org Cheers, Sam From: Shinji KOBAYASHI Sent: ?Wednesday?, ?22? ?October? ?2014 ?12?:?46? ?AM To: For openEHR clinical discussions Cc: For openEHR technical discussions, For openEHR implementation discussions Hi Pablo, and all Thank you for cooperation. I am working on the developers' workshop proposal based on the last proposal to MEDINFO2013. Please modify and add your description for your project. The Spanish tutorial sounds muy bien. Shinji 2014-10-21 23:06 GMT+09:00 pablo pazos pazospablo
MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
Dear All, Just need to be carefull about endorsing, that?s all. I can say. Just to ensure the quality of the work done internationally. I see the endorsement as a commercial thing rather than a quality measure at this point. This observation is based on experience with more than twenty three developing countries. Cheers Carol LATAM Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 17:57:58 +0100 From: sauerm...@technikum-wien.at To: pazospablo at hotmail.com Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials CC: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org; openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org Hello! If you are talking about endorsed trainers then you VERY CLEARY need to define - what is training - what is a trainer - what is endorsed - how do you get endorsed. Otherwise very likely somebody will be angry, because - they are not on the list of endorsed trainers - they feel that the endorsed trainers are not as clever as themselves - . So: Similar to standards for software you will also need to define standards / guidelines for - the intended learning outcome - different levels of expertise (e.g certified professional openEHR - basic level, CP openEHR - advanced level , ...) - the methods for assessment - methods for training - .. Having been through this all let me summarise - it seems sensible to start by defining a basic skill level - to then define the learning outcomes of that skill level - to then define an exam for that skill level - to formally provide exams from there on you can - extend to advanced skill levels, and specialised skill sets - go on by defining / offering training, courses, trainers etc. This is no piece of cake. It will not happen in 3 weeks. Along the way you will need to harmonise the views of many individuals. We all know that to harmonise consumes substantial resources. This draws from first hand experience on certifying personal skills in the fields of software testing and IT interoperability in healthcare, as well as from years of teaching and building study programs in biomedical engineering. Hope this helps, greetings from Vienna, Stefan Stefan Sauermann Program Director Biomedical Engineering Sciences (Master) University of Applied Sciences Technikum Wien Hoechstaedtplatz 5, 1200 Vienna, Austria P: +43 1 333 40 77 - 988 M: +43 664 6192555 E: stefan.sauermann at technikum-wien.at I: www.technikum-wien.at/mbe I: www.technikum-wien.at/ibmt I: www.healthy-interoperability.at Am 24.10.2014 19:20, schrieb pablo pazos: Thanks for your message Stefan. I understand the organizational time does not accompanies the time of the community needs. For me is very odd that in one hand the Foundation wants to spread the standard but in the other do not endorse anyone on the training side. Educators trainers want to spread the standard also, and sometimes just saying the foundation supports us and have a web page with our name as endorsed trainers allows us to access places that we can't access alone, like government working groups. And training people in government is a great way of having the standard included in call for proposals for projects, and that leads to the industry to catch up. Then the industry will need people to work in delivering tools that implements the standard, and that people needs training, and so on. We can create this virtuous circle but we need help. For me, training is the best way of spreading the standard and for the openEHR-ES community that seem to work for the last 4 years that I'm giving the course in spanish. And others follow, like the openEHR-BR community, some of them were my students now they have their own openEHR course in portuguese (awesome!). I'm not sure what's the formal way of putting these issues under the consideration of the board(s) and get any feedback from them. -- Kind regards, Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez http://cabolabs.com Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 09:52:22 +0200 From: sauermann at technikum-wien.at To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org CC: pazospablo at hotmail.com; openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-implementers
MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
I've added myself and a topic on artefact governance to the main MEDINFO2015 wiki page. I guess this topic belongs more in a tutorial than in a developers' workshop. My participation is however dependent on my employer allowing me to attend the conference, which isn't clear yet. Kind regards, Silje Ljosland Bakke Coordinator, National Editorial Board for Archetypes, National ICT Norway Adviser, RD dept, E-health section, Bergen Hospital Trust Tel. +47 40203298 -Original Message- From: openEHR-technical [mailto:openehr-technical- bounces at lists.openehr.org] On Behalf Of Shinji KOBAYASHI Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 3:57 PM To: For openEHR technical discussions Cc: openehr implementers; openEHR Clinical Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials Dear colleagues, I updated Wiki description about MEDINFO 2015 and made the developers' workshop 2015 page. http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2015 Could you all please take a look and add comments or describe your plan? Shinji KOBAYASHI 2014-08-05 10:22 GMT+09:00 pablo pazos pazospablo at hotmail.com: Of course! I should have think of Jussara before. I'll talk with her and her fellow openEHR.br colleagues to see if we can get this organized. BTW, just to start the coordination I would like to do a workshop focused on openEHR data store and query. And if there's interest, another one focused on UI: generation, manipulation, processing, models, etc. (we're presenting a paper on this topic at the InfoLac congress, this year is in Uruguay! lucky me: http://infolac2014.org/index.php/en/) -- Kind regards, Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez http://cabolabs.com From: sam.heard at oceaninformatics.com To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 08:30:32 + CC: openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org Hi Pablo I wonder if Jusara could organise a submeeting in an academic/industry forum prior to MedInfo? Cheers Sam Sent from Windows Mail From: pablo pazos Sent: ?Saturday?, ?2? ?August? ?2014 ?9?:?06? ?AM To: For openEHR clinical discussions, For openEHR technical discussions Cc: For openEHR implementation discussions Thanks for the info Heather! I think we should do something similar to the previous workshops for devs, something simple to get newcomers to understand how to work with archetypes in software (parsing, processing, validating data, extracting paths, etc), and more specific topics for skilled openEHR devs (persistence options, REST APIs, querying, reporting, UI generation, ...). I would love to see a hands-on tutorial in which we can program live and help newcomers to pass the first barrier in openEHR software development: lose the fear of archetypes. Also I would like to know how we want to present this, should we submit the proposals individualy and then organize or should we coordinate and make one proposal with all the workshops/tutorials? Thanks! -- Kind regards, Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez http://cabolabs.com From: heather.leslie at oceaninformatics.com To: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org Subject: RE: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 01:54:59 + CC: openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org Hi Pablo, We have kept info on Conferences in the wiki: http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/Conferences See Medinfo 2013: http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2013+- +Copenhagen,+Denmark. 2 half day sessions were held then ? one clinical modelling focussed and the other technical Regards Heather From: openEHR-technical [mailto:openehr-technical-bounces at lists.openehr.org] On Behalf Of pablo pazos Sent: Friday, 1 August 2014 12:14 AM To: openeh technical; openEHR Clinical Cc: openehr implementers Subject: RE: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials Hi Shinji! By chance, do you have the agendas of the previous openEHR developer's workshops? It would be nice to see what has been done, do a little bit of introduction workshops for beginners and do some new cool stuff for skilled openEHR devs. BTW, maybe a good place to coordinate and share info about ideas would be the openEHR wiki. Thanks! -- Kind regards, Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez http://cabolabs.com From: skoba at moss.gr.jp Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 10:25:16 +0900 Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org CC: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org Hi Pablo and all, We had developers' workshop at Medinfo2007, 2010
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On 25-10-14 13:58, Thomas Beale wrote: On 24/10/2014 19:17, Bert Verhees wrote: OpenEHR is not a standard, it is a formal specification. http://www.iso.org/iso/home/standards.htm ISO, What is a standard: A standard is a document that provides requirements, specifications, guidelines or characteristics that can be used consistently to ensure that materials, products, processes and services are fit for their purpose. This is such a fun topic I wrote a blog post http://wolandscat.net/2014/10/25/what-is-a-standard-legislation-or-utilisation/ on it :) - thomas ___ openEHR-technical mailing list openEHR-technical at lists.openehr.org http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org I replied following to it: Thomas, you write: ?They still publish documents, not computable artefacts, standards have no maintenance team, no issue reporting capability and no update release strategy.? This not true, at least not at ECMA and ISO. 1) Example in the standard for Microsoft OOXML are XML Schema?s (XSD) included. So they deliver computable artefacts. 2) They do not only publish standards, but organize international teamsmeetings of people which create/edit the standards. A standard in a specific version is stable, it cannot change, it would be unusable if it was not stable. 3) Maintenance, ISO standards can get updated, there are even fasttracks , so not the complete standard has to be talked through. An update, of course, gets a distinguishable version/name/id. What you write about OpenEHR doing much better as a defacto standard is not fully correct. Example: I am missing some computable artefacts. For example, we have waited five years before the RM-XSD was published in a correct way, and still there are some inconveniences in it. There were errors in that XSD, I emailed about it years ago. Now it has been revised, but not fully, there are still errors I reported in 2009. It is also not optimal. For example by using xs:sequence instead of xs:choice, and so enforcing a useless sequence of properties. There are some more issues, I do not want to discuss them now. Also, the XSD for OET is still not published, and it is used in software and by developers. How long are we using templates by now? 10 years? OpenEHR seems to be in some parts a moving target. A quality-institute as ISO would not allow this. There are some quality-requirements used by ISO. The standard is not only created by the designers (stakeholders), but by worldwide teams and it becomes accepted by vote of the voting members of ISO. I would welcome if OpenEHR would become a standard, not only because many governments do not invest in non-standards, but also for the quality requirements standardization-bodies pose and for having worldwide non-stakeholding teams looking at it. I think this is important. Bert -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openehr.org/pipermail/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org/attachments/20141026/d43045e1/attachment.html
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Dear All, Please take this observation as a help DISCUSSION rather a critic: but the standards difinition is not an awareness issues, instead is a GAP between contexts.In Latino America and Caribe, there is minimal understanding of what a standard isas displayed on Pablo?s answer, so the real use of openEHR never is achieved because of this gap. I was last week in INFOLAC2014 ,where the goverment of Uruguay and several local authorities discussed about standards but the issue was a different one. So, I believe that OpenEHR as foundation and its initial team of founders of this conceptual and technical framework should lead the training contents and validity that developing countries are using. I was surprise that Uruguay invested 4 million dollars and the concept of openEHR was missing: lost of investment again.http://www.agesic.gub.uy/innovaportal/file/1443/1/agesic_agendadigital_2011_2015.pdf Hope this contextual information help to get a good quality training package from the foundation so then it can be shared around the world. Cheers Carol(LATAM) From: pazospa...@hotmail.com To: bert.verhees at rosa.nl; openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 19:23:40 + Bert, I'm aware of the definition and I use terms in a very specific way, I said standard because that definition fits what openEHR is. Anyway, we are not discussing definitions but a much broader subject: the board being silent in front on community efforts that need them. Pablo Pazos www.CaboLabs.com -- Original message-- From: Bert Verhees Date: Fri, Oct 24, 2014 4:17 PM To: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; Subject:Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials OpenEHR is not a standard, it is a formal specification. http://www.iso.org/iso/home/standards.htm ISO, What is a standard: A standard is a document that provides requirements, specifications, guidelines or characteristics that can be used consistently to ensure that materials, products, processes and services are fit for their purpose. On 24-10-14 19:20, pablo pazos wrote: Thanks for your message Stefan. I understand the organizational time does not accompanies the time of the community needs. For me is very odd that in one hand the Foundation wants to spread the standard but in the other do not endorse anyone on the training side. Educators trainers want to spread the standard also, and sometimes just saying the foundation supports us and have a web page with our name as endorsed trainers allows us to access places that we can't access alone, like government working groups. And training people in government is a great way of having the standard included in call for proposals for projects, and that leads to the industry to catch up. Then the industry will need people to work in delivering tools that implements the standard, and that people needs training, and so on. We can create this virtuous circle but we need help. For me, training is the best way of spreading the standard and for the openEHR-ES community that seem to work for the last 4 years that I'm giving the course in spanish. And others follow, like the openEHR-BR community, some of them were my students now they have their own openEHR course in portuguese (awesome!). I'm not sure what's the formal way of putting these issues under the consideration of the board(s) and get any feedback from them. -- Kind regards, Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez http://cabolabs.com Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 09:52:22 +0200 From: sauermann at technikum-wien.at To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org CC: pazospablo at hotmail.com; openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials Dear Pablo! Within IHE wee seem to have a similar situation, educators working along providing training, trying to expain to the institutional layer, asking the institution to take formal measures, so that training and probably even exams and certification are harmonised across subgroups and regions. Over the years something has sunk in, and we may see an IHE Education group sometime soon. This however took some years until both educators and institutional layers knew why and how they might benefit from each other. In that way I can understand your experience So: There seems to be independent multi-site evidence that education is a political issue. This may help or not, let us all keep the spirit high! Greetings from Vienna, Stefan Stefan Sauermann Program Director Biomedical Engineering Sciences (Master) University of Applied Sciences Technikum Wien Hoechstaedtplatz 5, 1200 Vienna, Austria P: +43 1 333 40 77 - 988 M: +43 664 6192555 E: stefan.sauermann at technikum-wien.at I: www.technikum-wien.at/mbe I: www.technikum-wien.at/ibmt I: www.healthy-interoperability.at Am 23.10.2014 09:27, schrieb pablo
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Op vrijdag 24 oktober 2014 heeft pazospablo at hotmail.com pazospablo at hotmail.com het volgende geschreven: Bert, I'm aware of the definition and I use terms in a very specific way, I said standard because that definition fits what openEHR is. I don't think so. And I think there can be reasons why OpenEhr does not try to becomes a standard. Anyway, we are not discussing definitions but a much broader subject: the board being silent in front on community efforts that need them. You are right, you just used the word standard a few times, and that is not what it is. That is one reason why I said it, not for discussion. I agree that there could be done more and could have been done more. It (the board) could try to apply for standardization, could work for it, towards it, It could put more effort in education, it could better document artifacts which are widely used. I think it is possible that things have to do with each other. That is why I responded to the word standard. The board doesn't do these things. It wonders you. In your message, you indicate that possible they are not aware of what you complain about. You'll find the names of the members of the board on the website, I think. You can email them and ask. I hope you tell us what they tell you. Maybe it is just money. There ain't no such thing as a free lunch. Good luck Bert Verhees. Pablo Pazos www.CaboLabs.com -- Original message-- *From: *Bert Verhees *Date: *Fri, Oct 24, 2014 4:17 PM *To: *openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org');; *Subject:*Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials OpenEHR is not a standard, it is a formal specification. http://www.iso.org/iso/home/standards.htm ISO, What is a standard: A standard is a document that provides requirements, specifications, guidelines or characteristics that can be used consistently to ensure that materials, products, processes and services are fit for their purpose. On 24-10-14 19:20, pablo pazos wrote: Thanks for your message Stefan. I understand the organizational time does not accompanies the time of the community needs. For me is very odd that in one hand the Foundation wants to spread the standard but in the other do not endorse anyone on the training side. Educators trainers want to spread the standard also, and sometimes just saying the foundation supports us and have a web page with our name as endorsed trainers allows us to access places that we can't access alone, like government working groups. And training people in government is a great way of having the standard included in call for proposals for projects, and that leads to the industry to catch up. Then the industry will need people to work in delivering tools that implements the standard, and that people needs training, and so on. *We can create this virtuous circle but we need help.* For me, training is the best way of spreading the standard and for the openEHR-ES community that seem to work for the last 4 years that I'm giving the course in spanish. And others follow, like the openEHR-BR community, some of them were my students now they have their own openEHR course in portuguese (awesome!). I'm not sure what's the formal way of putting these issues under the consideration of the board(s) and get any feedback from them. -- Kind regards, Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez http://cabolabs.com http://cabolabs.com/es/home -- Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 09:52:22 +0200 From: sauermann at technikum-wien.at javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sauermann at technikum-wien.at'); To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org'); CC: pazospablo at hotmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pazospablo at hotmail.com');; openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org');; openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org'); Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials Dear Pablo! Within IHE wee seem to have a similar situation, educators working along providing training, trying to expain to the institutional layer, asking the institution to take formal measures, so that training and probably even exams and certification are harmonised across subgroups and regions. Over the years something has sunk in, and we may see an IHE Education group sometime soon. This however took some years until both educators and institutional layers knew why and how they might benefit from each other. In that way I can understand your experience So: There seems to be independent multi-site evidence that education is a political issue. This may help or not, let us all keep the spirit high! Greetings from Vienna, Stefan Stefan Sauermann Program Director Biomedical Engineering Sciences (Master
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In Europe, politicians are afraid to make errors, they are not able to judge if a specification has a high quality. So they go for standards. This is in many countries like this. That is why HL7 always try to standardize their efforts, and the higher the better. In Europe you go first to your national body, then to the European body, then to ISO. Alternatives with a little bit less status are Oasis, W3, OMG, and also from there you can go to ISO. I have never heard that OpenEhr tried to become a standard. In these ten years, they never did, or they did it in silence, or I just missed it, was on holiday when the announcement was done. But if I am right, then is that a reason why it will never become important on government-level in the Netherlands. And in many other countries this is the same. No politician in the Netherlands wil ever invest millions in a specification which did not made it to ISO. That is why the Netherlands invested 500 millions Euro in a HL7v3 standard. Because it is an ISO standard, or it was in the traject to become one. Really, 500 millions Euro, half a billion Euro. Just for a message system for the Netherlands, based on HL7v3. And the laugh, it failed. But that doesn't matter, the politicians are safe, they favored ISO standards. The companies are safe, they got their money, got well paid, and did what they were asked for. No one ever got fired for choosing an ISO standard. Why did it fail? Ten years they had spent 50 million Euro, every year. It is a long story, but I can summarize it in a few words. I think they did not want to succeed. They failed for political reasons, they did not want to do concessions with the majority in parliament. So the parliament blew it off. They had chosen to fail. It would be good for the OpenEhr developing companies if a OpenEhr did more to be acceptable for governments. Bert Op vrijdag 24 oktober 2014 heeft Dra Carola Hullin Lucay Cossio carolhullin at hotmail.com het volgende geschreven: Dear All, Please take this observation as a help DISCUSSION rather a critic: but the standards difinition is not an awareness issues, instead is a GAP between contexts. In Latino America and Caribe, there is minimal understanding of what a standard isas displayed on Pablo?s answer, so the real use of openEHR never is achieved because of this gap. I was last week in INFOLAC2014 ,where the goverment of Uruguay and several local authorities discussed about standards but the issue was a different one. So, I believe that OpenEHR as foundation and its initial team of founders of this conceptual and technical framework should lead the training contents and validity that developing countries are using. I was surprise that Uruguay invested 4 million dollars and the concept of openEHR was missing: lost of investment again. http://www.agesic.gub.uy/innovaportal/file/1443/1/agesic_agendadigital_2011_2015.pdf Hope this contextual information help to get a good quality training package from the foundation so then it can be shared around the world. Cheers Carol (LATAM) -- From: pazospablo at hotmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pazospablo at hotmail.com'); To: bert.verhees at rosa.nl javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','bert.verhees at rosa.nl');; openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org'); Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 19:23:40 + Bert, I'm aware of the definition and I use terms in a very specific way, I said standard because that definition fits what openEHR is. Anyway, we are not discussing definitions but a much broader subject: the board being silent in front on community efforts that need them. Pablo Pazos www.CaboLabs.com -- Original message-- *From: *Bert Verhees *Date: *Fri, Oct 24, 2014 4:17 PM *To: *openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org');; *Subject:*Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials OpenEHR is not a standard, it is a formal specification. http://www.iso.org/iso/home/standards.htm ISO, What is a standard: A standard is a document that provides requirements, specifications, guidelines or characteristics that can be used consistently to ensure that materials, products, processes and services are fit for their purpose. On 24-10-14 19:20, pablo pazos wrote: Thanks for your message Stefan. I understand the organizational time does not accompanies the time of the community needs. For me is very odd that in one hand the Foundation wants to spread the standard but in the other do not endorse anyone on the training side. Educators trainers want to spread the standard also, and sometimes just saying the foundation supports us and have a web page with our name as endorsed trainers allows us to access places that we can't access alone, like government working
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Hi, What I should offense to is health threating entities/events. I believe we have wisdom enough to fight against them. And then, it would be more constructive that we think about what we can do for healthcare and our community rather than what our community do for us. Having workshop and tutorials would be good contribution and make something happen to outreach. To Pablo and Latin Americans, I always respect your contributions and am much interested in your woks. I am looking forward to meeting you and sharing passion with us. To Bert, Thank you for proof-reading. English is too difficult for me, Japanese. My understanding is openEHR specs are oriented to base of the standards. Could you let me know the better phrase? Regards, Shinji KOBAYASHI 2014-10-25 8:51 GMT+09:00 Bert Verhees bert.verhees at rosa.nl: In Europe, politicians are afraid to make errors, they are not able to judge if a specification has a high quality. So they go for standards. This is in many countries like this. That is why HL7 always try to standardize their efforts, and the higher the better. In Europe you go first to your national body, then to the European body, then to ISO. Alternatives with a little bit less status are Oasis, W3, OMG, and also from there you can go to ISO. I have never heard that OpenEhr tried to become a standard. In these ten years, they never did, or they did it in silence, or I just missed it, was on holiday when the announcement was done. But if I am right, then is that a reason why it will never become important on government-level in the Netherlands. And in many other countries this is the same. No politician in the Netherlands wil ever invest millions in a specification which did not made it to ISO. That is why the Netherlands invested 500 millions Euro in a HL7v3 standard. Because it is an ISO standard, or it was in the traject to become one. Really, 500 millions Euro, half a billion Euro. Just for a message system for the Netherlands, based on HL7v3. And the laugh, it failed. But that doesn't matter, the politicians are safe, they favored ISO standards. The companies are safe, they got their money, got well paid, and did what they were asked for. No one ever got fired for choosing an ISO standard. Why did it fail? Ten years they had spent 50 million Euro, every year. It is a long story, but I can summarize it in a few words. I think they did not want to succeed. They failed for political reasons, they did not want to do concessions with the majority in parliament. So the parliament blew it off. They had chosen to fail. It would be good for the OpenEhr developing companies if a OpenEhr did more to be acceptable for governments. Bert Op vrijdag 24 oktober 2014 heeft Dra Carola Hullin Lucay Cossio carolhullin at hotmail.com het volgende geschreven: Dear All, Please take this observation as a help DISCUSSION rather a critic: but the standards difinition is not an awareness issues, instead is a GAP between contexts. In Latino America and Caribe, there is minimal understanding of what a standard isas displayed on Pablo?s answer, so the real use of openEHR never is achieved because of this gap. I was last week in INFOLAC2014 ,where the goverment of Uruguay and several local authorities discussed about standards but the issue was a different one. So, I believe that OpenEHR as foundation and its initial team of founders of this conceptual and technical framework should lead the training contents and validity that developing countries are using. I was surprise that Uruguay invested 4 million dollars and the concept of openEHR was missing: lost of investment again. http://www.agesic.gub.uy/innovaportal/file/1443/1/agesic_agendadigital_2011_2015.pdf Hope this contextual information help to get a good quality training package from the foundation so then it can be shared around the world. Cheers Carol (LATAM) From: pazospablo at hotmail.com To: bert.verhees at rosa.nl; openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 19:23:40 + Bert, I'm aware of the definition and I use terms in a very specific way, I said standard because that definition fits what openEHR is. Anyway, we are not discussing definitions but a much broader subject: the board being silent in front on community efforts that need them. Pablo Pazos www.CaboLabs.com -- Original message-- From: Bert Verhees Date: Fri, Oct 24, 2014 4:17 PM To: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; Subject:Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials OpenEHR is not a standard, it is a formal specification. http://www.iso.org/iso/home/standards.htm ISO, What is a standard: A standard is a document that provides requirements, specifications, guidelines or characteristics that can be used consistently to ensure that materials, products, processes and services
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Hi Bert, that is my idea. In fact I'm putting together a small document with bullet points of what we discussed about the training space since 2012, and try to ask if the board should or can be involved in this, why is not already involved, if there are any plans to do it and of course if I can be of help. I don't think the problem is money (but maybe I'm also afraid to ask), but IMO is more action fron the board to give us a little push with support (also no talking about money). I'm also afraid to ask if the lack of endorsement and support is something political, maybe with me working at the MoH, WHO etc. and saying the same things might hace a different effect. I really don't know and I hope we are still a meritocracy. Bottom line, I just see a gap between the foundation and the community, and that gap gets bigger because of language and geografical differences. That's why I created the openEHR course in spanish and the ES community. My proposal is just a help me help you situation. Working towards medinfo, I hope we can join ours efforts in creating awareness, but it is not clear for me if we should organize community stuff separated from the foundation stuff or if we can narrow the gap. Kind regards,Pablo. Pablo Pazoswww.CaboLabs.com Op vrijdag 24 oktober 2014 heeft pazospablo at hotmail.com pazospablo at hotmail.com het volgende geschreven: Bert, I'm aware of the definition and I use terms in a very specific way, I said standard because that definition fits what openEHR is. I don't think so. And I think there can be reasons why OpenEhr does not try to becomes a standard. Anyway, we are not discussing definitions but a much broader subject: the board being silent in front on community efforts that need them. You are right, you just used the word standard a few times, and that is not what it is. That is one reason why I said it, not for discussion. I agree that there could be done more and could have been done more. It (the board) could try to apply for standardization, could work for it, towards it, It could put more effort in education, it could better document artifacts which are widely used. I think it is possible that things have to do with each other. That is why I responded to the word standard. The board doesn't do these things. It wonders you. In your message, you indicate that possible they are not aware of what you complain about. You'll find the names of the members of the board on the website, I think. You can email them and ask. I hope you tell us what they tell you. Maybe it is just money. There ain't no such thing as a free lunch. Good luck Bert Verhees. Pablo Pazos www.CaboLabs.com -- Original message-- *From: *Bert Verhees *Date: *Fri, Oct 24, 2014 4:17 PM *To: *openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org');; *Subject:*Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials OpenEHR is not a standard, it is a formal specification. http://www.iso.org/iso/home/standards.htm ISO, What is a standard: A standard is a document that provides requirements, specifications, guidelines or characteristics that can be used consistently to ensure that materials, products, processes and services are fit for their purpose. On 24-10-14 19:20, pablo pazos wrote: Thanks for your message Stefan. I understand the organizational time does not accompanies the time of the community needs. For me is very odd that in one hand the Foundation wants to spread the standard but in the other do not endorse anyone on the training side. Educators trainers want to spread the standard also, and sometimes just saying the foundation supports us and have a web page with our name as endorsed trainers allows us to access places that we can't access alone, like government working groups. And training people in government is a great way of having the standard included in call for proposals for projects, and that leads to the industry to catch up. Then the industry will need people to work in delivering tools that implements the standard, and that people needs training, and so on. *We can create this virtuous circle but we need help.* For me, training is the best way of spreading the standard and for the openEHR-ES community that seem to work for the last 4 years that I'm giving the course in spanish. And others follow, like the openEHR-BR community, some of them were my students now they have their own openEHR course in portuguese (awesome!). I'm not sure what's the formal way of putting these issues under the consideration of the board(s) and get any feedback from them. -- Kind regards, Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez http://cabolabs.com http://cabolabs.com/es/home -- Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 09:52:22 +0200 From: sauermann at technikum-wien.at javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sauermann at technikum-wien.at'); To: openehr-clinical
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Hi Shinji,
I'm all to collanorayion and adding value.
Abouy the specific topic for the conference, I'm focusing one proposal on
openEHR databases, a problem every developer do focus on when they start to
work with openEHR. Because the organization is lookinh for tutorials in spanish
the tutorial will be offered in spanish.I'll update yhe wili soon and start
doing social communication to get more people involved.
Cheers,Pablo Pazoswww.CaboLabs.com
Hi,
What I should offense to is health threating entities/events. I
believe we have wisdom enough to fight against them.
And then, it would be more constructive that we think about what we
can do for healthcare and our community rather than what our community
do for us.
Having workshop and tutorials would be good contribution and make
something happen to outreach.
To Pablo and Latin Americans,
I always respect your contributions and am much interested in your
woks. I am looking forward to meeting you and sharing passion with us.
To Bert,
Thank you for proof-reading. English is too difficult for me,
Japanese. My understanding is openEHR specs are oriented to base of
the standards. Could you let me know the better phrase?
Regards,
Shinji KOBAYASHI
2014-10-25 8:51 GMT+09:00 Bert Verhees bert.verhees at rosa.nl:
In Europe, politicians are afraid to make errors, they are not able to judge
if a specification has a high quality. So they go for standards. This is in
many countries like this.
That is why HL7 always try to standardize their efforts, and the higher the
better. In Europe you go first to your national body, then to the European
body, then to ISO.
Alternatives with a little bit less status are Oasis, W3, OMG, and also from
there you can go to ISO.
I have never heard that OpenEhr tried to become a standard. In these ten
years, they never did, or they did it in silence, or I just missed it, was
on holiday when the announcement was done.
But if I am right, then is that a reason why it will never become important
on government-level in the Netherlands. And in many other countries this is
the same.
No politician in the Netherlands wil ever invest millions in a specification
which did not made it to ISO. That is why the Netherlands invested 500
millions Euro in a HL7v3 standard. Because it is an ISO standard, or it was
in the traject to become one. Really, 500 millions Euro, half a billion
Euro. Just for a message system for the Netherlands, based on HL7v3. And the
laugh, it failed.
But that doesn't matter, the politicians are safe, they favored ISO
standards. The companies are safe, they got their money, got well paid, and
did what they were asked for. No one ever got fired for choosing an ISO
standard.
Why did it fail? Ten years they had spent 50 million Euro, every year. It is
a long story, but I can summarize it in a few words. I think they did not
want to succeed. They failed for political reasons, they did not want to do
concessions with the majority in parliament. So the parliament blew it off.
They had chosen to fail.
It would be good for the OpenEhr developing companies if a OpenEhr did more
to be acceptable for governments.
Bert
Op vrijdag 24 oktober 2014 heeft Dra Carola Hullin Lucay Cossio
carolhullin at hotmail.com het volgende geschreven:
Dear All,
Please take this observation as a help DISCUSSION rather a critic: but the
standards difinition is not an awareness issues, instead is a GAP between
contexts.
In Latino America and Caribe, there is minimal understanding of what a
standard isas displayed on Pablo?s answer, so the real use of openEHR
never is achieved because of this gap.
I was last week in INFOLAC2014 ,where the goverment of Uruguay and several
local authorities discussed about standards but the issue was a different
one. So, I believe that OpenEHR as foundation and its initial team of
founders of this conceptual and technical framework should lead the training
contents and validity that developing countries are using.
I was surprise that Uruguay invested 4 million dollars and the concept of
openEHR was missing: lost of investment again.
http://www.agesic.gub.uy/innovaportal/file/1443/1/agesic_agendadigital_2011_2015.pdf
Hope this contextual information help to get a good quality training
package from the foundation so then it can be shared around the world.
Cheers Carol
(LATAM)
From: pazospablo at hotmail.com
To: bert.verhees at rosa.nl; openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org
Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 19:23:40 +
Bert, I'm aware of the definition and I use terms in a very specific way,
I said standard because that definition fits what openEHR is.
Anyway, we are not discussing definitions but a much broader subject: the
board being silent in front on community
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On 25-10-14 02:54, Shinji KOBAYASHI wrote: To Bert, Thank you for proof-reading. English is too difficult for me, Japanese. My understanding is openEHR specs are oriented to base of the standards. Could you let me know the better phrase? Only strong men can admit their weaknesses. So this is a compliment for you. My English is not very good also, but I come from a language related to English, while you come from a completely other part of the languages-world. -- OpenEHR specs are based on standards, that is right, in fact everything in ICT is, but OpenEHR introduces new artifacts and reference models, which should be standardized or be in a process to standardization, which already poses some requirements regarding to documentation and formal definition. For example, you can express an OpenEHR dataset in XML, en XML is a standard, but the OpenEHR Reference Model is not. This in opposite to ISO13606 or some HL7 Reference Models, they are also ISO standard. So, to be accepted by an organization that requires standards, it is not enough to use XML, but also you should use an XML-Schema/Reference Model which is standardized. Just for illustration: I remember when ODF (OpenOffice Reference model) became an ISO-standard, governments all over Europe planned to switch to OpenOffice because they want to work on standards. Microsoft hurried and put in a lot of money to get their Office reference Model (OOXML) standardized. It was the fist time Microsoft ever was required to standardize something. We saw many new countries becoming voting member of ISO, like Malta and Sierra Leone, countries with no expertise or experience at all. The whole ISO-process regarding this was a farce. You should read about it for having a good laugh. The only reason was because the competition (OpenOffice) had done that. Since that moment, since the very fast ISO-process which took less then a year, government could safely choose for Microsoft again, back to the Microsoft Office environment. Same counts for medical Reference Models, many governments choose HL7, only because it is an ISO standard, and only for that reason. ISO makes it possible for politician which decide about things they don't understand (most of them have to) to distinguish quality in a safe way. Bert.
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On 25-10-14 05:21, pablo pazos wrote: Bottom line, I just see a gap between the foundation and the community, and that gap gets bigger because of language and geografical differences. That's why I created the openEHR course in spanish and the ES community. My proposal is just a help me help you situation. Working towards medinfo, I hope we can join ours efforts in creating awareness, but it is not clear for me if we should organize community stuff separated from the foundation stuff or if we can narrow the gap. I know you are doing a great job. I often see your promotion for course in Spanish, on LinkedIn, on Google Plus (maybe). I forgot where, but I see it a few times a week. That is really a good thing. And it is necessary. The specs are bad learning material, there are also not meant for that. I remember, ten years ago, sitting at the swimming pool with my little children, reading OpenEHR-specs. They were hard to read because of their formal language. It is no material for learning. In learning people things, you need to come with examples, with stories, let the Reference Models and other specs live for people, make it fun to read. Anyway, I came through, I did my best, and it was rewarded. But many people are not able to do that, because they do not have the freedom to spend 50 hours or so on something which is not required to learn. And reading the OpenEHR specs as a hobby in free time, that is asked too much for most of humanity. I am an independent developer, almost twenty years now. I choose myself how to spend my time, and a lot of time is used because I make choices which seem irrelevant. But I don't mind. I try to have a Buddhist view on it. It are all steps to greater wisdom. I am a lucky bastard. The master moves from program to program without fear. No failure can harm him. Why is this? He is filled with Tao. But for the other people, young people, needing to study for their masters, old managers, need to understand for their decisions, politicians, relying on ISO, all these people need easy entrance to knowledge. You try to get it of the ground. You should not only do it in Spanish, but also in English. I think you have a good business-case when OpenEHR as an formal definition tries to get more status. But you have a bad business-case if it fails on the market. It is not only in your hands. You can comfort yourself with the thought that nothing in life will be done in vain. In everything is a lesson. With the lessons you have learned, you later can pick up something else. But besides that, I hope the communities and foundation will support you, because it is important work that you do, for us all. If we want something to be a success, we have to reach the hearts and minds. Have a nice day Bert
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Hi Pablo, Firstly, I will be at MEDinfo2015 and would definitely hope to contribute some of the very interesting stuff emerging from HANDI-HOPD. I do recall our conversation about training and accreditation. Although I am on the Board, my response here is personal, not official! What you are suggesting is a very good idea, and was discussed further at the Oslo meeting. We know that a number of organisations around the world are now running openEHR related training, we know that trainees frequently ask for accreditation and trainers also see benefits in being able to claim they are 'openEHR accredited'. So if the Board was asked, is this a good idea, I am sure you would get a positive answer. However a whole number of questions follow ... Is the organisation accredited or the course accredited? Who decides the criteria for accreditation of a course? Does every small variant of a course need accredited? Who checks the course content? In multiple languages? What are the rules of withdrawing accreditation? Who pays for all of the above? How do we ensure that anything that is decided is fair to both existing trainers and to new entrants and how do we ensure that this system is seen to be fair and transparent and not open to abuse. I am sure there are many more questions, and, of course there are solutions. Other organisations have faced similar problems and come up with answers that we can almost certainly use or adapt. So, it is doable, but who does it? Who puts in the work and effort to consult with current training organisations, speak to the broader membership, also other organisations what they do etc, etc? Who comes up with a final proposal to submit to the Board that if seen to be fair and sensible will almost cvertainly by 'rubber-stamped'. In my view the only people who can do this are those of us who have a commercial or academic interest in training. It is in our interest to have accrediation working - it is something demanded by our customers, and in our commercial interest. We are the ones with the knowledge of what it takes to be a good openEHR course, the ones who stand to lose if the proposals are done favour a competitor, and the only ones who can give up some of our IP, if the idea is to share some 'standard' resources. The Board simply has no capacity to do the ground work here, and in any case that would be inappropriate. Their job is to ratify (or not) a set of proposals coming from the training industry, in exactly the same way that the System Accreditation proposals will have to come from System developers like yourself. I believe that Heather Leslie and Evelyn Hovenga have been working on some ideas in this area - it might be worth contacting them to see if this could be the nexus of a 'Training Partners Group'. I am having a similar conversation elsewhere about Localisation. There have been private conversations about localisation and Koray posted a very detailed proposal but that is not enough, there needs to be input from other localisation groups so that openEHR can come up with a minimum but clear set of criteria for localisation. That takes work and discussion with the various parties around the world who have an interest in this area, but it does have to member-led. In the coming months, the interim Board will be replaced by an Elected Board (everyone who wants to vote or be nominated should sign up at members.openehr.org) but even then, the level of funding and personal resource that will available, will require Foundation resources to be concentrated on core communications and 'marketing' of openEHR. As I say just my view. Others may feel that openEHR should have much more central power and resource to drive these important and necessary efforts but they will then have to figure out how it gets funded. I will leave my thoughts on Standards to a different post but remember that there was a major effort led by David and Sam to have openEHR become part of IHTSDO. This went a long way but was ultimately rejected byt the IHTSDO board. I suspect that will not be the end of the story. Ian -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openehr.org/pipermail/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org/attachments/20141025/e1aa2167/attachment.html
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On 24/10/2014 19:17, Bert Verhees wrote: OpenEHR is not a standard, it is a formal specification. http://www.iso.org/iso/home/standards.htm ISO, What is a standard: A standard is a document that provides requirements, specifications, guidelines or characteristics that can be used consistently to ensure that materials, products, processes and services are fit for their purpose. This is such a fun topic I wrote a blog post http://wolandscat.net/2014/10/25/what-is-a-standard-legislation-or-utilisation/ on it :) - thomas -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openehr.org/pipermail/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org/attachments/20141025/07e1967b/attachment.html
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On 25-10-14 13:58, Thomas Beale wrote: On 24/10/2014 19:17, Bert Verhees wrote: OpenEHR is not a standard, it is a formal specification. http://www.iso.org/iso/home/standards.htm ISO, What is a standard: A standard is a document that provides requirements, specifications, guidelines or characteristics that can be used consistently to ensure that materials, products, processes and services are fit for their purpose. This is such a fun topic I wrote a blog post http://wolandscat.net/2014/10/25/what-is-a-standard-legislation-or-utilisation/ on it :) - thomas ___ openEHR-technical mailing list openEHR-technical at lists.openehr.org http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org I commented to it: I agree Thomas, it is a fun topic, with billions of dollars involved, not quite so funny for who is paying them. You and me, the taxpayers. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openehr.org/pipermail/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org/attachments/20141025/88a10da3/attachment-0001.html
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Unfortunately neither of you were at the recent Oslo meeting (don't worry, there will be more), but the same sentiments about needing better learning materials were expressed by most people who are not already seasoned openEHR developers. So we know we need to work on this, and various people have offered to do this. It will take a combination of people who 'know stuff' and people who are learning to put together materials that work for newcomers. I hope you both contribute. One big enabling step that is finally about to happen is to move to a new server, where we can easily run multiple sites i.e. subdomains under openEHR.org. So we'll be able to set up some technical spaces for people to work on just those learning materials. The main requirement of course is still people power. With respect to making governments use openEHR, that's a hard one to solve because there is broken thinking in two places: official SDOs that publish paper, with no active maintenance or update, and governments that think 'official standards' are the only things to use. Almost invariably, official standards in health (and general) IT (with the exception of standards that were already /de facto/ before becoming /de jure/) are the /worst/ place to start. Some governments have smarter people though, and realise this. The ones that don't will waste (sometimes epic amounts of) taxpayers' money. In many places, this unholy SDO/government communion actively damages hopes for quality e-health solutions in the future. Government departments or bodies that are wilfully blind make it very hard, since they can't be reasoned with. It's like reasoning with any other ideologue: you can't. The only solutions I know of are a) keep making noise about the de facto standardisation work on the ground and b) wait for the next election ;-) - thomas On 25/10/2014 09:41, Bert Verhees wrote: On 25-10-14 05:21, pablo pazos wrote: Bottom line, I just see a gap between the foundation and the community, and that gap gets bigger because of language and geografical differences. That's why I created the openEHR course in spanish and the ES community. My proposal is just a help me help you situation. Working towards medinfo, I hope we can join ours efforts in creating awareness, but it is not clear for me if we should organize community stuff separated from the foundation stuff or if we can narrow the gap. I know you are doing a great job. I often see your promotion for course in Spanish, on LinkedIn, on Google Plus (maybe). I forgot where, but I see it a few times a week. That is really a good thing. And it is necessary. The specs are bad learning material, there are also not meant for that. I remember, ten years ago, sitting at the swimming pool with my little children, reading OpenEHR-specs. They were hard to read because of their formal language. It is no material for learning. In learning people things, you need to come with examples, with stories, let the Reference Models and other specs live for people, make it fun to read. Anyway, I came through, I did my best, and it was rewarded. But many people are not able to do that, because they do not have the freedom to spend 50 hours or so on something which is not required to learn. And reading the OpenEHR specs as a hobby in free time, that is asked too much for most of humanity. I am an independent developer, almost twenty years now. I choose myself how to spend my time, and a lot of time is used because I make choices which seem irrelevant. But I don't mind. I try to have a Buddhist view on it. It are all steps to greater wisdom. I am a lucky bastard. The master moves from program to program without fear. No failure can harm him. Why is this? He is filled with Tao. But for the other people, young people, needing to study for their masters, old managers, need to understand for their decisions, politicians, relying on ISO, all these people need easy entrance to knowledge. You try to get it of the ground. You should not only do it in Spanish, but also in English. I think you have a good business-case when OpenEHR as an formal definition tries to get more status. But you have a bad business-case if it fails on the market. It is not only in your hands. You can comfort yourself with the thought that nothing in life will be done in vain. In everything is a lesson. With the lessons you have learned, you later can pick up something else. But besides that, I hope the communities and foundation will support you, because it is important work that you do, for us all. If we want something to be a success, we have to reach the hearts and minds. Have a nice day Bert ___ openEHR-technical mailing list openEHR-technical at lists.openehr.org http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org -- Ocean Informatics
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Hi Ian that's an awesome piece of input we can use to epose the main issues we're havong and maybe delineate actions that can be taken, considering the constraints you mentioned. For me Evelyn and Heather are key people in matters of education, and also the BR-PT community, and some others interested in training. I'll put together all off this, send it to the key people for consideration. Fix the proposals with feedback, share it with the community and try to define a clear guideline we all van follow in terms of what we do and how in terms of training. IMO we can't have a formal way of certification before having compatible and interoperable training materials, modules, evaluations, ... Cheers,Pablo Pazoswww.CaboLabs.com Hi Pablo, Firstly, I will be at MEDinfo2015 and would definitely hope to contribute some of the very interesting stuff emerging from HANDI-HOPD. I do recall our conversation about training and accreditation. Although I am on the Board, my response here is personal, not official! What you are suggesting is a very good idea, and was discussed further at the Oslo meeting. We know that a number of organisations around the world are now running openEHR related training, we know that trainees frequently ask for accreditation and trainers also see benefits in being able to claim they are 'openEHR accredited'. So if the Board was asked, is this a good idea, I am sure you would get a positive answer. However a whole number of questions follow ... Is the organisation accredited or the course accredited? Who decides the criteria for accreditation of a course? Does every small variant of a course need accredited? Who checks the course content? In multiple languages? What are the rules of withdrawing accreditation? Who pays for all of the above? How do we ensure that anything that is decided is fair to both existing trainers and to new entrants and how do we ensure that this system is seen to be fair and transparent and not open to abuse. I am sure there are many more questions, and, of course there are solutions. Other organisations have faced similar problems and come up with answers that we can almost certainly use or adapt. So, it is doable, but who does it? Who puts in the work and effort to consult with current training organisations, speak to the broader membership, also other organisations what they do etc, etc? Who comes up with a final proposal to submit to the Board that if seen to be fair and sensible will almost cvertainly by 'rubber-stamped'. In my view the only people who can do this are those of us who have a commercial or academic interest in training. It is in our interest to have accrediation working - it is something demanded by our customers, and in our commercial interest. We are the ones with the knowledge of what it takes to be a good openEHR course, the ones who stand to lose if the proposals are done favour a competitor, and the only ones who can give up some of our IP, if the idea is to share some 'standard' resources. The Board simply has no capacity to do the ground work here, and in any case that would be inappropriate. Their job is to ratify (or not) a set of proposals coming from the training industry, in exactly the same way that the System Accreditation proposals will have to come from System developers like yourself. I believe that Heather Leslie and Evelyn Hovenga have been working on some ideas in this area - it might be worth contacting them to see if this could be the nexus of a 'Training Partners Group'. I am having a similar conversation elsewhere about Localisation. There have been private conversations about localisation and Koray posted a very detailed proposal but that is not enough, there needs to be input from other localisation groups so that openEHR can come up with a minimum but clear set of criteria for localisation. That takes work and discussion with the various parties around the world who have an interest in this area, but it does have to member-led. In the coming months, the interim Board will be replaced by an Elected Board (everyone who wants to vote or be nominated should sign up at members.openehr.org) but even then, the level of funding and personal resource that will available, will require Foundation resources to be concentrated on core communications and 'marketing' of openEHR. As I say just my view. Others may feel that openEHR should have much more central power and resource to drive these important and necessary efforts but they will then have to figure out how it gets funded. I will leave my thoughts on Standards to a different post but remember that there was a major effort led by David and Sam to have openEHR become part of IHTSDO. This went a long way but was ultimately rejected byt the IHTSDO board. I suspect that will not be the end of the story. Ian -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL:
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Thanks for your message Stefan. I understand the organizational time does not accompanies the time of the community needs. For me is very odd that in one hand the Foundation wants to spread the standard but in the other do not endorse anyone on the training side. Educators trainers want to spread the standard also, and sometimes just saying the foundation supports us and have a web page with our name as endorsed trainers allows us to access places that we can't access alone, like government working groups. And training people in government is a great way of having the standard included in call for proposals for projects, and that leads to the industry to catch up. Then the industry will need people to work in delivering tools that implements the standard, and that people needs training, and so on. We can create this virtuous circle but we need help. For me, training is the best way of spreading the standard and for the openEHR-ES community that seem to work for the last 4 years that I'm giving the course in spanish. And others follow, like the openEHR-BR community, some of them were my students now they have their own openEHR course in portuguese (awesome!). I'm not sure what's the formal way of putting these issues under the consideration of the board(s) and get any feedback from them. -- Kind regards, Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez http://cabolabs.com Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 09:52:22 +0200 From: sauerm...@technikum-wien.at To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org CC: pazospablo at hotmail.com; openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials Dear Pablo! Within IHE wee seem to have a similar situation, educators working along providing training, trying to expain to the institutional layer, asking the institution to take formal measures, so that training and probably even exams and certification are harmonised across subgroups and regions. Over the years something has sunk in, and we may see an IHE Education group sometime soon. This however took some years until both educators and institutional layers knew why and how they might benefit from each other. In that way I can understand your experience So: There seems to be independent multi-site evidence that education is a political issue. This may help or not, let us all keep the spirit high! Greetings from Vienna, Stefan Stefan Sauermann Program Director Biomedical Engineering Sciences (Master) University of Applied Sciences Technikum Wien Hoechstaedtplatz 5, 1200 Vienna, Austria P: +43 1 333 40 77 - 988 M: +43 664 6192555 E: stefan.sauermann at technikum-wien.at I: www.technikum-wien.at/mbe I: www.technikum-wien.at/ibmt I: www.healthy-interoperability.at Am 23.10.2014 09:27, schrieb pablo pazos: Hi Sam, I think we are coordinating this already :) IMO that's the point of having the wiki pages and asking colleagues to add content, proposals and comments. I think the idea of a key note is great, and I want to collaborate in any way I can, but... as you an others may know, I asked several times for endorsement and support (not talking about money) from the foundation on the training side, to standardize the contents, to have a formal way of certification, and spread the standard, but the board went silent. I'm very pragmatic and I don't know why this is so difficult, for me this is treated in a very political way and should be something technical. With that being said, for me, talking about training under the foundation banner is at least weird. Maybe this is not a good place or time to mention this, but is how I honestly feel about the proposal. I long to see the work I try to do to create awareness about the standard to be supported by the foundation. To be honest, the only support I got is from the Chilean Association of Healthcare Informatics (ACHISA) with whom I'm very thankful because without them I wouldn't be able to create the first online course 100% about openEHR in spanish and provide it to more than 140 people from 15 countries. -- Kind regards, Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez http://cabolabs.com From: sam.heard at openehrfoundation.org To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 05:48:00 + CC: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; openehr
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Bert, I'm aware of the definition and I use terms in a very specific way, I said standard because that definition fits what openEHR is. Anyway, we are not discussing definitions but a much broader subject: the board being silent in front on community efforts that need them. Pablo Pazoswww.CaboLabs.com OpenEHR is not a standard, it is a formal specification. http://www.iso.org/iso/home/standards.htm ISO, What is a standard: A standard is a document that provides requirements, specifications, guidelines or characteristics that can be used consistently to ensure that materials, products, processes and services are fit for their purpose. On 24-10-14 19:20, pablo pazos wrote: Thanks for your message Stefan. I understand the organizational time does not accompanies the time of the community needs. For me is very odd that in one hand the Foundation wants to spread the standard but in the other do not endorse anyone on the training side. Educators trainers want to spread the standard also, and sometimes just saying the foundation supports us and have a web page with our name as endorsed trainers allows us to access places that we can't access alone, like government working groups. And training people in government is a great way of having the standard included in call for proposals for projects, and that leads to the industry to catch up. Then the industry will need people to work in delivering tools that implements the standard, and that people needs training, and so on. *We can create this virtuous circle but we need help.* For me, training is the best way of spreading the standard and for the openEHR-ES community that seem to work for the last 4 years that I'm giving the course in spanish. And others follow, like the openEHR-BR community, some of them were my students now they have their own openEHR course in portuguese (awesome!). I'm not sure what's the formal way of putting these issues under the consideration of the board(s) and get any feedback from them. -- Kind regards, Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez http://cabolabs.com http://cabolabs.com/es/home Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 09:52:22 +0200 From: sauermann at technikum-wien.at To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org CC: pazospablo at hotmail.com; openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials Dear Pablo! Within IHE wee seem to have a similar situation, educators working along providing training, trying to expain to the institutional layer, asking the institution to take formal measures, so that training and probably even exams and certification are harmonised across subgroups and regions. Over the years something has sunk in, and we may see an IHE Education group sometime soon. This however took some years until both educators and institutional layers knew why and how they might benefit from each other. In that way I can understand your experience So: There seems to be independent multi-site evidence that education is a political issue. This may help or not, let us all keep the spirit high! Greetings from Vienna, Stefan Stefan Sauermann Program Director Biomedical Engineering Sciences (Master) University of Applied Sciences Technikum Wien Hoechstaedtplatz 5, 1200 Vienna, Austria P: +43 1 333 40 77 - 988 M: +43 664 6192555 E:stefan.sauermann at technikum-wien.at mailto:stefan.sauermann at technikum-wien.at I:www.technikum-wien.at/mbe http://www.technikum-wien.at/mbe I:www.technikum-wien.at/ibmt http://www.technikum-wien.at/ibmt I:www.healthy-interoperability.at http://www.healthy-interoperability.at Am 23.10.2014 09:27, schrieb pablo pazos: Hi Sam, I think we are coordinating this already :) IMO that's the point of having the wiki pages and asking colleagues to add content, proposals and comments. I think the idea of a key note is great, and I want to collaborate in any way I can, but... as you an others may know, I asked several times for endorsement and support (not talking about money) from the foundation on the training side, to standardize the contents, to have a formal way of certification, and spread the standard, but the board went silent. I'm very pragmatic and I don't know why this is so difficult, for me this is treated in a very political way and should be something technical. With that being said, for me, talking about training under the foundation banner is at least weird. Maybe this is not a good place or time to mention this, but is how I honestly feel about the proposal. I long to see the work I try to do to create awareness about the standard to be supported by the foundation. To be honest, the only support I got is from the Chilean Association of Healthcare Informatics (ACHISA) with whom I'm
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Hi Pablo I wonder if Jusara could organise a submeeting in an academic/industry forum prior to MedInfo? Cheers Sam Sent from Windows Mail From: pablo pazosmailto:pazospa...@hotmail.com Sent: ?Saturday?, ?2? ?August? ?2014 ?9?:?06? ?AM To: For openEHR clinical discussionsmailto:openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org, For openEHR technical discussionsmailto:openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org Cc: For openEHR implementation discussionsmailto:openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org Thanks for the info Heather! I think we should do something similar to the previous workshops for devs, something simple to get newcomers to understand how to work with archetypes in software (parsing, processing, validating data, extracting paths, etc), and more specific topics for skilled openEHR devs (persistence options, REST APIs, querying, reporting, UI generation, ...). I would love to see a hands-on tutorial in which we can program live and help newcomers to pass the first barrier in openEHR software development: lose the fear of archetypes. Also I would like to know how we want to present this, should we submit the proposals individualy and then organize or should we coordinate and make one proposal with all the workshops/tutorials? Thanks! -- Kind regards, Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez http://cabolabs.comhttp://cabolabs.com/es/homehttp://twitter.com/ppazos From: heather.les...@oceaninformatics.com To: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org Subject: RE: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 01:54:59 + CC: openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org Hi Pablo, We have kept info on Conferences in the wiki: http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/Conferences See Medinfo 2013: http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2013+-+Copenhagen,+Denmarkhttp://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2013+-+Copenhagen%2c+Denmark. 2 half day sessions were held then - one clinical modelling focussed and the other technical Regards Heather From: openEHR-technical [mailto:openehr-technical-boun...@lists.openehr.org] On Behalf Of pablo pazos Sent: Friday, 1 August 2014 12:14 AM To: openeh technical; openEHR Clinical Cc: openehr implementers Subject: RE: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials Hi Shinji! By chance, do you have the agendas of the previous openEHR developer's workshops? It would be nice to see what has been done, do a little bit of introduction workshops for beginners and do some new cool stuff for skilled openEHR devs. BTW, maybe a good place to coordinate and share info about ideas would be the openEHR wiki. Thanks! -- Kind regards, Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez http://cabolabs.comhttp://cabolabs.com/es/home From: skoba at moss.gr.jpmailto:sk...@moss.gr.jp Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 10:25:16 +0900 Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.orgmailto:openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org CC: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.orgmailto:openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.orgmailto:openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org Hi Pablo and all, We had developers' workshop at Medinfo2007, 2010 and 2013, and I organized developers' workshop 2010, and 2013. I think the combination of clinical workshop/tutorial half day and developers' workshop half day would be better. I have to write up until the tutorial/workshop dead line, 15 Jan, 2015. Shinji KOBAYASHI 2014-07-29 13:52 GMT+09:00 pablo pazos pazospablo at hotmail.commailto:pazospablo at hotmail.com: Hi all! Since next MedInfo is in Brazil (near Uruguay) I'll be attending for sure. I also might present a paper or two and want to propose an openEHR related tutorial. Is other people planning to present openEHR papers or tutorials? It would be great if we can coordinate tutorials (and topics) together so we can have our openEHR day at MedInfo. What do you think? We have 1 year to plan this, and that's not a lot of time! I hope we can join forces and do something nice for the south american openEHR community. We are eager to learn from others that already have openEHR working in the real world, and learn from their success and failures. -- Kind regards, Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez http://cabolabs.comhttp://cabolabs.com/es/home ___ openEHR-clinical mailing list openEHR-clinical at lists.openehr.orgmailto:openEHR-clinical at lists.openehr.org http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-clinical_lists.openehr.org ___ openEHR-technical mailing list openEHR-technical at lists.openehr.orgmailto:openEHR-technical at lists.openehr.org http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org ___ openEHR-clinical mailing
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Hi Pablo, This is exactly the type of environment we are trying to setup with HANDI-HOPD - see handi-hopd.org. Although the first outing will be somewhat UK focussed, we are trying to work to an architecture that will allow the environment to be cloned and re-packaged for other countries/regions + use cloud-based Docker/openShift type hosting. Ian On 2 August 2014 00:35, pablo pazos pazospablo at hotmail.com wrote: Thanks for the info Heather! I think we should do something similar to the previous workshops for devs, something simple to get newcomers to understand how to work with archetypes in software (parsing, processing, validating data, extracting paths, etc), and more specific topics for skilled openEHR devs (persistence options, REST APIs, querying, reporting, UI generation, ...). I would love to see a hands-on tutorial in which we can program live and help newcomers to pass the first barrier in openEHR software development: lose the fear of archetypes. Also I would like to know how we want to present this, should we submit the proposals individualy and then organize or should we coordinate and make one proposal with all the workshops/tutorials? Thanks! -- Kind regards, Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez http://cabolabs.com From: heather.leslie at oceaninformatics.com To: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org Subject: RE: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 01:54:59 + CC: openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org Hi Pablo, We have kept info on Conferences in the wiki: http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/Conferences See Medinfo 2013: http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2013+-+Copenhagen,+Denmark. 2 half day sessions were held then ? one clinical modelling focussed and the other technical Regards Heather From: openEHR-technical [mailto:openehr-technical-bounces at lists.openehr.org] On Behalf Of pablo pazos Sent: Friday, 1 August 2014 12:14 AM To: openeh technical; openEHR Clinical Cc: openehr implementers Subject: RE: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials Hi Shinji! By chance, do you have the agendas of the previous openEHR developer's workshops? It would be nice to see what has been done, do a little bit of introduction workshops for beginners and do some new cool stuff for skilled openEHR devs. BTW, maybe a good place to coordinate and share info about ideas would be the openEHR wiki. Thanks! -- Kind regards, Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez http://cabolabs.com From: skoba at moss.gr.jp Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 10:25:16 +0900 Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org CC: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org Hi Pablo and all, We had developers' workshop at Medinfo2007, 2010 and 2013, and I organized developers' workshop 2010, and 2013. I think the combination of clinical workshop/tutorial half day and developers' workshop half day would be better. I have to write up until the tutorial/workshop dead line, 15 Jan, 2015. Shinji KOBAYASHI 2014-07-29 13:52 GMT+09:00 pablo pazos pazospablo at hotmail.com: Hi all! Since next MedInfo is in Brazil (near Uruguay) I'll be attending for sure. I also might present a paper or two and want to propose an openEHR related tutorial. Is other people planning to present openEHR papers or tutorials? It would be great if we can coordinate tutorials (and topics) together so we can have our openEHR day at MedInfo. What do you think? We have 1 year to plan this, and that's not a lot of time! I hope we can join forces and do something nice for the south american openEHR community. We are eager to learn from others that already have openEHR working in the real world, and learn from their success and failures. -- Kind regards, Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez http://cabolabs.com ___ openEHR-clinical mailing list openEHR-clinical at lists.openehr.org http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-clinical_lists.openehr.org ___ openEHR-technical mailing list openEHR-technical at lists.openehr.org http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org ___ openEHR-clinical mailing list openEHR-clinical at lists.openehr.org http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-clinical_lists.openehr.org ___ openEHR-clinical mailing list openEHR-clinical at lists.openehr.org http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-clinical_lists.openehr.org -- Dr Ian McNicoll office +44 (0)1536 414 994 fax +44 (0)1536 516317 mobile +44 (0)775 209 7859 skype ianmcnicoll ian.mcnicoll
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Of course! I should have think of Jussara before. I'll talk with her and her fellow openEHR.br colleagues to see if we can get this organized. BTW, just to start the coordination I would like to do a workshop focused on openEHR data store and query. And if there's interest, another one focused on UI: generation, manipulation, processing, models, etc. (we're presenting a paper on this topic at the InfoLac congress, this year is in Uruguay! lucky me: http://infolac2014.org/index.php/en/) -- Kind regards, Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez http://cabolabs.com From: sam.he...@oceaninformatics.com To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 08:30:32 + CC: openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org Hi Pablo I wonder if Jusara could organise a submeeting in an academic/industry forum prior to MedInfo? Cheers Sam Sent from Windows Mail From: pablo pazos Sent: ?Saturday?, ?2? ?August? ?2014 ?9?:?06? ?AM To: For openEHR clinical discussions, For openEHR technical discussions Cc: For openEHR implementation discussions Thanks for the info Heather! I think we should do something similar to the previous workshops for devs, something simple to get newcomers to understand how to work with archetypes in software (parsing, processing, validating data, extracting paths, etc), and more specific topics for skilled openEHR devs (persistence options, REST APIs, querying, reporting, UI generation, ...). I would love to see a hands-on tutorial in which we can program live and help newcomers to pass the first barrier in openEHR software development: lose the fear of archetypes. Also I would like to know how we want to present this, should we submit the proposals individualy and then organize or should we coordinate and make one proposal with all the workshops/tutorials? Thanks! -- Kind regards, Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez http://cabolabs.com From: heather.les...@oceaninformatics.com To: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org Subject: RE: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 01:54:59 + CC: openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org Hi Pablo, We have kept info on Conferences in the wiki: http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/Conferences See Medinfo 2013: http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2013+-+Copenhagen,+Denmark. 2 half day sessions were held then ? one clinical modelling focussed and the other technical Regards Heather From: openEHR-technical [mailto:openehr-technical-boun...@lists.openehr.org] On Behalf Of pablo pazos Sent: Friday, 1 August 2014 12:14 AM To: openeh technical; openEHR Clinical Cc: openehr implementers Subject: RE: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials Hi Shinji! By chance, do you have the agendas of the previous openEHR developer's workshops? It would be nice to see what has been done, do a little bit of introduction workshops for beginners and do some new cool stuff for skilled openEHR devs. BTW, maybe a good place to coordinate and share info about ideas would be the openEHR wiki. Thanks! -- Kind regards, Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez http://cabolabs.com From: skoba at moss.gr.jp Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 10:25:16 +0900 Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org CC: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org Hi Pablo and all, We had developers' workshop at Medinfo2007, 2010 and 2013, and I organized developers' workshop 2010, and 2013. I think the combination of clinical workshop/tutorial half day and developers' workshop half day would be better. I have to write up until the tutorial/workshop dead line, 15 Jan, 2015. Shinji KOBAYASHI 2014-07-29 13:52 GMT+09:00 pablo pazos pazospablo at hotmail.com: Hi all! Since next MedInfo is in Brazil (near Uruguay) I'll be attending for sure. I also might present a paper or two and want to propose an openEHR related tutorial. Is other people planning to present openEHR papers or tutorials? It would be great if we can coordinate tutorials (and topics) together so we can have our openEHR day at MedInfo. What do you think? We have 1 year to plan this, and that's not a lot of time! I hope we can join forces and do something nice for the south american openEHR community. We are eager to learn from others that already have openEHR working in the real world, and learn from their success and failures. -- Kind regards, Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez http://cabolabs.com ___ openEHR-clinical mailing list openEHR-clinical at lists.openehr.org http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-clinical_lists.openehr.org
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Thanks for the info Heather! I think we should do something similar to the previous workshops for devs, something simple to get newcomers to understand how to work with archetypes in software (parsing, processing, validating data, extracting paths, etc), and more specific topics for skilled openEHR devs (persistence options, REST APIs, querying, reporting, UI generation, ...). I would love to see a hands-on tutorial in which we can program live and help newcomers to pass the first barrier in openEHR software development: lose the fear of archetypes. Also I would like to know how we want to present this, should we submit the proposals individualy and then organize or should we coordinate and make one proposal with all the workshops/tutorials? Thanks! -- Kind regards, Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez http://cabolabs.com From: heather.les...@oceaninformatics.com To: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org Subject: RE: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 01:54:59 + CC: openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org Hi Pablo, We have kept info on Conferences in the wiki: http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/Conferences See Medinfo 2013: http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2013+-+Copenhagen,+Denmark. 2 half day sessions were held then ? one clinical modelling focussed and the other technical Regards Heather From: openEHR-technical [mailto:openehr-technical-boun...@lists.openehr.org] On Behalf Of pablo pazos Sent: Friday, 1 August 2014 12:14 AM To: openeh technical; openEHR Clinical Cc: openehr implementers Subject: RE: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials Hi Shinji! By chance, do you have the agendas of the previous openEHR developer's workshops? It would be nice to see what has been done, do a little bit of introduction workshops for beginners and do some new cool stuff for skilled openEHR devs. BTW, maybe a good place to coordinate and share info about ideas would be the openEHR wiki. Thanks! -- Kind regards, Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez http://cabolabs.com From: skoba at moss.gr.jp Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 10:25:16 +0900 Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org CC: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org Hi Pablo and all, We had developers' workshop at Medinfo2007, 2010 and 2013, and I organized developers' workshop 2010, and 2013. I think the combination of clinical workshop/tutorial half day and developers' workshop half day would be better. I have to write up until the tutorial/workshop dead line, 15 Jan, 2015. Shinji KOBAYASHI 2014-07-29 13:52 GMT+09:00 pablo pazos pazospablo at hotmail.com: Hi all! Since next MedInfo is in Brazil (near Uruguay) I'll be attending for sure. I also might present a paper or two and want to propose an openEHR related tutorial. Is other people planning to present openEHR papers or tutorials? It would be great if we can coordinate tutorials (and topics) together so we can have our openEHR day at MedInfo. What do you think? We have 1 year to plan this, and that's not a lot of time! I hope we can join forces and do something nice for the south american openEHR community. We are eager to learn from others that already have openEHR working in the real world, and learn from their success and failures. -- Kind regards, Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez http://cabolabs.com ___ openEHR-clinical mailing list openEHR-clinical at lists.openehr.org http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-clinical_lists.openehr.org ___ openEHR-technical mailing list openEHR-technical at lists.openehr.org http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org ___ openEHR-clinical mailing list openEHR-clinical at lists.openehr.org http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-clinical_lists.openehr.org -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openehr.org/pipermail/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org/attachments/20140801/12f03829/attachment-0001.html
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Hi Pablo, We have kept info on Conferences in the wiki: http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/Conferences See Medinfo 2013: http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2013+-+Copenhagen,+Denmark. 2 half day sessions were held then - one clinical modelling focussed and the other technical Regards Heather From: openEHR-technical [mailto:openehr-technical-boun...@lists.openehr.org] On Behalf Of pablo pazos Sent: Friday, 1 August 2014 12:14 AM To: openeh technical; openEHR Clinical Cc: openehr implementers Subject: RE: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials Hi Shinji! By chance, do you have the agendas of the previous openEHR developer's workshops? It would be nice to see what has been done, do a little bit of introduction workshops for beginners and do some new cool stuff for skilled openEHR devs. BTW, maybe a good place to coordinate and share info about ideas would be the openEHR wiki. Thanks! -- Kind regards, Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez http://cabolabs.comhttp://cabolabs.com/es/home From: skoba at moss.gr.jpmailto:sk...@moss.gr.jp Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 10:25:16 +0900 Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.orgmailto:openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org CC: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.orgmailto:openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.orgmailto:openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org Hi Pablo and all, We had developers' workshop at Medinfo2007, 2010 and 2013, and I organized developers' workshop 2010, and 2013. I think the combination of clinical workshop/tutorial half day and developers' workshop half day would be better. I have to write up until the tutorial/workshop dead line, 15 Jan, 2015. Shinji KOBAYASHI 2014-07-29 13:52 GMT+09:00 pablo pazos pazospablo at hotmail.commailto:pazospablo at hotmail.com: Hi all! Since next MedInfo is in Brazil (near Uruguay) I'll be attending for sure. I also might present a paper or two and want to propose an openEHR related tutorial. Is other people planning to present openEHR papers or tutorials? It would be great if we can coordinate tutorials (and topics) together so we can have our openEHR day at MedInfo. What do you think? We have 1 year to plan this, and that's not a lot of time! I hope we can join forces and do something nice for the south american openEHR community. We are eager to learn from others that already have openEHR working in the real world, and learn from their success and failures. -- Kind regards, Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez http://cabolabs.comhttp://cabolabs.com/es/home ___ openEHR-clinical mailing list openEHR-clinical at lists.openehr.orgmailto:openEHR-clinical at lists.openehr.org http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-clinical_lists.openehr.org ___ openEHR-technical mailing list openEHR-technical at lists.openehr.orgmailto:openEHR-technical at lists.openehr.org http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openehr.org/pipermail/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org/attachments/20140801/619184bc/attachment.html
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Hi Shinji! By chance, do you have the agendas of the previous openEHR developer's workshops? It would be nice to see what has been done, do a little bit of introduction workshops for beginners and do some new cool stuff for skilled openEHR devs. BTW, maybe a good place to coordinate and share info about ideas would be the openEHR wiki. Thanks! -- Kind regards, Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez http://cabolabs.com From: sk...@moss.gr.jp Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 10:25:16 +0900 Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org CC: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org Hi Pablo and all, We had developers' workshop at Medinfo2007, 2010 and 2013, and I organized developers' workshop 2010, and 2013. I think the combination of clinical workshop/tutorial half day and developers' workshop half day would be better. I have to write up until the tutorial/workshop dead line, 15 Jan, 2015. Shinji KOBAYASHI 2014-07-29 13:52 GMT+09:00 pablo pazos pazospablo at hotmail.com: Hi all! Since next MedInfo is in Brazil (near Uruguay) I'll be attending for sure. I also might present a paper or two and want to propose an openEHR related tutorial. Is other people planning to present openEHR papers or tutorials? It would be great if we can coordinate tutorials (and topics) together so we can have our openEHR day at MedInfo. What do you think? We have 1 year to plan this, and that's not a lot of time! I hope we can join forces and do something nice for the south american openEHR community. We are eager to learn from others that already have openEHR working in the real world, and learn from their success and failures. -- Kind regards, Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez http://cabolabs.com ___ openEHR-clinical mailing list openEHR-clinical at lists.openehr.org http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-clinical_lists.openehr.org ___ openEHR-technical mailing list openEHR-technical at lists.openehr.org http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openehr.org/pipermail/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org/attachments/20140731/7b092c2f/attachment.html
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Hi Pablo and all, We had developers' workshop at Medinfo2007, 2010 and 2013, and I organized developers' workshop 2010, and 2013. I think the combination of clinical workshop/tutorial half day and developers' workshop half day would be better. I have to write up until the tutorial/workshop dead line, 15 Jan, 2015. Shinji KOBAYASHI 2014-07-29 13:52 GMT+09:00 pablo pazos pazospablo at hotmail.com: Hi all! Since next MedInfo is in Brazil (near Uruguay) I'll be attending for sure. I also might present a paper or two and want to propose an openEHR related tutorial. Is other people planning to present openEHR papers or tutorials? It would be great if we can coordinate tutorials (and topics) together so we can have our openEHR day at MedInfo. What do you think? We have 1 year to plan this, and that's not a lot of time! I hope we can join forces and do something nice for the south american openEHR community. We are eager to learn from others that already have openEHR working in the real world, and learn from their success and failures. -- Kind regards, Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez http://cabolabs.com http://cabolabs.com/es/home http://twitter.com/ppazos ___ openEHR-clinical mailing list openEHR-clinical at lists.openehr.org http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-clinical_lists.openehr.org -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openehr.org/pipermail/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org/attachments/20140730/a311abd6/attachment.html
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Hi all! Since next MedInfo is in Brazil (near Uruguay) I'll be attending for sure. I also might present a paper or two and want to propose an openEHR related tutorial. Is other people planning to present openEHR papers or tutorials? It would be great if we can coordinate tutorials (and topics) together so we can have our openEHR day at MedInfo. What do you think? We have 1 year to plan this, and that's not a lot of time! I hope we can join forces and do something nice for the south american openEHR community. We are eager to learn from others that already have openEHR working in the real world, and learn from their success and failures. -- Kind regards, Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez http://cabolabs.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openehr.org/pipermail/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org/attachments/20140729/56ca80bc/attachment.html
MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
Hi Pablo Great to hear from you and your plans for Medinfo 2015. I plan to come for the meeting and I am sure a lot of others do too. A group of openEHR implementers will be meeting in Istanbul before MIE on the Saturday afternoon (venue to be decided). I would hope that there will be sufficient momentum in Brazil to have a high profile openEHR stream at Medinfo and take a key role in the conference. Cheers, Sam Sent from Windows Mail From: Pablo Pazosmailto:pazospa...@hotmail.com Sent: ?Tuesday?, ?29? ?July? ?2014 ?2?:?23? ?PM To: For openEHR clinical discussionsmailto:openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org, For openEHR implementation discussionsmailto:openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org, For openEHR technical discussionsmailto:openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org Hi all! Since next MedInfo is in Brazil (near Uruguay) I'll be attending for sure. I also might present a paper or two and want to propose an openEHR related tutorial. Is other people planning to present openEHR papers or tutorials? It would be great if we can coordinate tutorials (and topics) together so we can have our openEHR day at MedInfo. What do you think? We have 1 year to plan this, and that's not a lot of time! I hope we can join forces and do something nice for the south american openEHR community. We are eager to learn from others that already have openEHR working in the real world, and learn from their success and failures. -- Kind regards, Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez http://cabolabs.comhttp://cabolabs.com/es/homehttp://twitter.com/ppazos -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openehr.org/pipermail/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org/attachments/20140729/d0e707bb/attachment.html
