Re: [openhealth] Re: FOSS Health logistics

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Gentlemen,

Please take conference organizing discussions off list.

Thank you.



sickleofzeus wrote:
> --- In openhealth@yahoogroups.com, fred trotter  wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>> So we have just gotten 95% confirmation that the facilities for
>> FOSSHealth 09 (which happens at the end of the month) will be provided by
>> HAL-PC. http://www.hal-pc.org/
>> HAL-PC is the largest PC users group in the world. We will have space for
>> two tracks as well as a break room and (usually) a computer lab. The HAL-PC
>> office is right by the galleria mall.
>>
>> If you are a confirmed speaker this year, please reply to this email. I am
>> finalizing the speaking order and I do not want to forget anyone.
>> If you have constraints like you have to speak on a particular day, then
>> please include it here. Give us a one paragraph summary of your talks (great
>> advertising!!)
>> Generally, you should expect to talk for 50 minutes. However, your talk
>> length should be no more than 30 minutes. You should leave 20 minutes for
>> discussion and questions.
>> If this is not enough time, then let me know, I will see about getting you
>> an extra session. This is the first time when FOSS has been the focus of the
>> entire conference and that gives us some flexibility.
>> Please expect lots of chaos this year. It is our first year and we are just
>> learning the conference ropes.
>>
>>  If you are a sponsor, I am assuming that you will have at least two tracks
>> on your projects, one overview and one highly technical. I do not think I
>> have gotten checks from all of the sponsors, so if you could fix that, it
>> would be great.
>>
>> If you are an attendee, consider preparing a lighting talk. This is a five
>> minute talk on your choice, and we will try and have several lightning
>> sessions
>>
>> If you have not already signed up http://fosshealth.eventbrite.com/
>>
>> Thanks!!
>>
>> -- 
>> Fred Trotter
>> http://www.fredtrotter.com
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
> Your Agenda has the OpenEMR scheduled for Saturday
> 10:00 - 12:00  Room 1
> 
> I wanted to update you and make sure I am on track with my thinking. 
> The OpenEMR group is to have a break out session from 10-12 on Saturday, 
> August 1st.
> 
> I think you wanted me to speak on the practical application of
> implementing an Electronic Health record in a physician's office?
> 
> I have asked Robert Hoyt, Captain, USN, and professor of Health Care
> Informatics at University of West Florida, Pensacola to speak about what is 
> known to be true about EHR what really does work and what we think works but 
> doesn't.
> 
> Dr. Michael Brody is also coming and is an experienced speaker.  Dr.
> Brody is a working physician, has experience with PHP and LAMP
> programming, and is a big open source proponent.  He holds seminars on
> HIPPA compliance.  Dr. Brody is a member of  HITSP has recently been
> named a physician member of CCHIT.  He is fresh off of the CCHIT meeting in 
> Chicago and will have the freshest information on what is
> coming down the pipeline in terms of certification.
> 
> We though we would break our time into 40 minute time slots, from 10:00 - 
> 12:00
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Sam Bowen, MD
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> 

[openhealth] Re: [Hardhats] Announcing Liberty Medical Software Foundation and a petition in support of the current VistA as Utility act

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Fred,

 From your description this sounds very much like a trade association 
not a 501 c 3 as your advertised objective on the website. How far are 
you in the "midst" of applying for 501 c 3... are you working through a 
good not for profit lawyer?

Joseph

On 09-05-07 02:40 AM, fred trotter wrote:
> Hi,
>   At the behest of many of the vendors and individuals within
> the community, we are now announcing the creation of the Liberty
> Medical Software Foundation.
>
>  http://libertymsf.org
>
>   This organization will exist to be our HIMSS, our EHR vendor
> association and, if needed, our CCHIT. It is intended to serve both
> the needs of the FOSS vendor community, and the community of
> individual developers and clinical users of FOSS EHR software. It is
> intended to be a place where FOSS companies like Medsphere or
> ClearHealth can sit at the same table with FOSS friendly proprietary
> companies like Misys and DSS! This is intended to be a place where a
> single developer from OpenEMR will be shown the same deference and
> respect as the CEO of IBM.
>
>  We cannot afford an Open Source vs. Free Software divide in
> our community. That is the reason we chose the term 'Liberty' for our
> name. Openness is good, but it is not enough, we need freedom. But we
> cannot go around having the conversation:
> "When I say Free, I do not mean what you hope it means. You hope it
> means costless. In fact I plan to charge quite allot of money for this
> free stuff, but you will have freedom when I am done. Of course it is
> -often- true that when I say free I mean that you can just download it
> off sourceforge for no cost. So I mean 'Free-as-in-freedom' and
> 'free-as-in-beer'  at different points in this conversation and you
> are expected to keep up based on context clues."
>
> The vendors are going to have trouble trying to sell 'free' stuff no
> matter how you cut it. Also, even if we wanted to use Open, everyone
> and their dog has an organization that begins with 'Open' I can rattle
> off seven without thinking hard. When we previously discussed starting
> something like this using the term 'Free' people got pretty huffy.
>
> Liberty is the compromise. You might be paying millions for the
> deployment of software that you can download from sourceforge for no
> cost, and that is OK but what you need to have is 'Liberty'. I hope
> everyone is as please with this compromise as I am. We will be
> announcing membership and leadership shortly, but you can be assured
> the usual suspects will be involved or at least invited.
>
> Our first project, and the reason that we are unveiling this now,  is
> to activate the community in support of the Health IT Public Utility
> Act of 2009.
>
> We have created a petition that we will be submitting to generously to
> congressional representatives. (Just go to our homepage) Note that we
> specifically choose a petition engine that allows you to sign with
> comments, and those comments will be passed along as slightly modified
> petitions. Essentially this is a way for you to both sign a letter to
> Congress, and also send an individual note, with LibertyMSF doing most
> of the grunt work. (Note: Dr. Billings did much of the content of the
> petition in his letter published here earlier)
>
> Most importantly, you can forward the petition to your email contacts,
> or your favorite social network. If you are reading this, and you
> agree with the basic principles outlined in the legislation, please
> take it upon yourself to get ten people you know who are not in this
> community to sign the petition.
>
> I want to be clear: The only thing this community has going for it
> politically is being right. The profit margins of the average large
> proprietary EHR vendor will always dwarf the resources of even our
> largest vendors. They can always leverage their vendor lock-in to
> force more and more money out of their customers. We simply cannot
> compete with their lobbying dollars. We have to organize and mobilize.
> We need to reach out to the larger FOSS movement. We need to get out
> local Linux Users Groups or Python users group or PHP or whatever,
> aware of the basic tenants of our argument. We need to reach many,
> many more doctors. We need to get nurses involved.
>
> VistA has proven that the only way to solve the problem of healthcare
> automation is through the use of collaborative development that is
> only possible inside the VA with a single shared employer who owns
> everything or the use of FOSS licenses outside the VA.
>
> Please also signup for an account on LibertyMSF.org so that we can get
> ahold of you. We do not have direct access to the details of petition
> signers. Please email me personally if you are interested in fomenting
> a local chapter of LibertyMSF in your area or something like...
>
> Regards,
> -FT
>
>
>
>
> --
> Fred Trotter
> http://www.fredtrotter.com
>
> --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~

[openhealth] Open source health IT public utiliity act

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Sorry if you have seen this already... It will be a turning point in the 
history of health IT if the US Congress passes this legislation. What it 
basically does is establish a mechanism for deploying VistA across the 
US healthcare system's safety net providers who are in effect funded by 
Medicare/Medicaid. This is very similar to what we were trying to do in 
the VistA Office EHR projectunfortunately the proprietary vendor 
lobby was able to turn off the funding part way through the program.:

http://download.opensourcevista.net/downloads/Health_IT_Public_Utility_Act_FINAL042309.pdf


Joseph
President, e-cology corporation
VP, WorldVistA

 Original Message 
Subject: [Hardhats] Read it and PRAY that it gets passed!  This is GREAT!!
Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 22:15:57 -0400
From: Nancy Anthracite 
Reply-To: hardh...@googlegroups.com
To: Hardhats, 


Sorry if this is a repeat, but it never arrived in my box so I am resending
it.

[openhealth] Re: What are we asking CCHIT for?

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Fred is there a way to add comments to a "suggestion" to refine or 
improve it?

fred trotter wrote:
> HI,
> Please help me determine what I will present as the FOSS
> community perspective at the upcoming CCHIT/FOSS meeting. I have setup
> a Google Moderator page for determining what suggestions, exactly, are
> considered as favorable to the larger community. The Google Moderator
> system allows you to propose issues, and allows others to vote on
> those issues. I will do my best to cover the top rated suggestions. I
> have created several initial suggestions based on my original contact
> with CCHIT.
> 
> Please find the page to contribute/vote on questions here:
> 
> http://moderator.appspot.com/#15/e=35c32&t=36f61
> 
> Regards,
> -FT
> 

Re: [openhealth] Community EMR project in the Mid West (US)

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Alric,

The project you describe doesn't ring a bellI will send you a report 
by separate email which  I authored for Canada Health Infoway on 
patient/consumer portal strategy (Canada's equivalent of the Office of 
the National Coordinator in HHS). It is based on a review of several 
community portal projects and literature on the subject.

Cheers,

Joseph

Alric wrote:
> Greetings all,
> It's been a while since I poked my head up and I hope all are doing well.
> I work for MedStar Health here in the DC area and they have started a 
> patient portal project. when I heard of it I recalled a project I 
> thought that was community wide somewhere in the midwest involving the 
> whole community and based on Open Source.
> 
> Does anyone remember that project and have and contact or follow up 
> information?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Alric O'Connor
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: [openhealth] Reference tables and databases for FOSS health applications

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Have a look at the RxNorm project at the NLM:
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/research/umls/rxnorm/overview.html. Also the
caBIG effort has lots of goodies.

Joseph

Alvin Marcelo wrote:
> This brings me to post this question:
> 
> We love open source and all the benefits it brings, but when it comes to
> reference tables (drug codes, lab codes, etc), the best approach is not to
> build your own but to reuse/adapt (as a last resort) an existing one
> (albeit, they are not truly open).
> 
> I say this because the curation it requires can be substantial over time and
> I don't think this really falls under the domain of FOSS (okay maybe open
> content but still curation can be an issue).
> 
> May I ask what reference tables/databases have been useful to your FOSS
> projects?
> 
> For ours, the following are what we use. We're far from happy but we can
> live with them for now:
> 
> ICD-10 (source: WHO)
> LOINC (loinc.org)
> 
> Would appreciate finding out which ones you're happy with
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 6:36 AM, Alvin Marcelo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Adrian,
>>
>> Have you encountered First Databank?
>>
>> www.firstdatabank.com.au
>>
>> I believe they built a (curated) warehouse that allows you to slice and
>> dice through the many properties of various drugs including but not limited
>> to those you mentioned.
>>
>> No personal experience with them but saw an impressive demonstration here
>> at HIMSS Asia Pacific (HK ongoing)...
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> .
> 

Re: [openhealth] FOSS PACS

[Joseph Dal Molin]

One important consideration for medical imaging in the US context is FDA
approval. While you can get away without it for "R&D" if all work is
done at cost... if you are on the service provision side of the equation
and you do more than a hand full of implementations you will need to
work with something that has been approved. Most imaging falls under the
first level of approval and is not too onerous to achieve.if you
want to handle mammography then the stakes are much higher.

Joseph

Fred Trotter wrote:
> Hi,
> Where are we on an open source PACS system? Do we have
> something that is reliable and has actually been deployed and
> integrated? Opinions and Bias welcome here
> 
> -FT
> 

Re: [openhealth] Whatever happened to Minoru/PICNIC/SPIRIT?

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Thanks Karsten, that flew right past me. It would be ironic as Brian
Bray used to work for Microsoft.

Joseph

Karsten Hilbert wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 09:54:21AM -0400, Joseph Dal Molin wrote:
> 
>> Sorry maybe it's just me and it's Monday morning.but what
>> **specifically** is being assimilated by Microsoft??? There was no text
>> in Adrian's replynot at least on my T-bird client.
> There was, see below.
> 
>> Are you saying
>> that the SPIRIT project is being assimilated by Microsoft...Minrou is
>> being assimilated...Brian is being assimilated... :-)
> By The Borg, hm ? :-)
> 
> There is a lot of noise about Microsoft byuing Yahoo. Yahoo
> owns yahoogroups. Which is what this very newsgroup runs on:
> 
>   openhealth@yahoogroups.com
> 
>> Karsten Hilbert wrote:
>>> On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 09:36:45PM +0100, Adrian Midgley wrote:
>>>
>>>> Joseph Dal Molin wrote:
>>>>> What specifically is being assimilated or owned by Msoft or are you just 
>>>>> making a rhetorical comment?
>>>> Yahoo, groups
>  ^
> 
>>> That's what I was referring to, indeed.
>>>
>>> Karsten
> 
> Karsten

Re: [openhealth] Whatever happened to Minoru/PICNIC/SPIRIT?

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Sorry maybe it's just me and it's Monday morning.but what
**specifically** is being assimilated by Microsoft??? There was no text
in Adrian's replynot at least on my T-bird client. Are you saying
that the SPIRIT project is being assimilated by Microsoft...Minrou is
being assimilated...Brian is being assimilated... :-)

Joseph

Karsten Hilbert wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 09:36:45PM +0100, Adrian Midgley wrote:
> 
>> Joseph Dal Molin wrote:
>>> Karsten
>>>
>>> What specifically is being assimilated or owned by Msoft or are you just 
>>> making a rhetorical comment?
>> Yahoo, groups
> 
> That's what I was referring to, indeed.
> 
> Karsten

Re: [openhealth] Whatever happened to Minoru/PICNIC/SPIRIT?

[Joseph Dal Molin]

A year or so ago I talked to Brian he had moved back to Vancouver.

  It seems like eons...it's only 4 years ago that the SPIRIT project 
which was funded by the European Commission completed its work. I wrote 
the proposal which resulted in the European Commission FP5 funding, and 
subsequently wrote the business plan and high level strategy for the 
project. I ended my partnership with Brian and Minoru before the SPIRIT 
contract completed so I can't speak for what arrangements were made 
after the project ended to implement the sustainability plan we 
developed for the consortium. I wrote Carlo Daffara one of the Minoru 
subcontractors who was hosting the SPIRIT site (www.euspirit.org) to ask 
what happened to the software inventory and I believe he still has 
backups of the system.

The announcement of openhealthtools just shows that we were on the right 
track. Mind you, they could have used more imagination coming up with a 
name as we coined and started using the Openhealth label at Minoru in 
1998/9 and Brian still owns www.openhealth.com from back then.

Joseph

Ignacio Valdes wrote:
> On the heels of the http://www.openhealthtools.org/ announcement, I
> was wondering why I wasn't that excited. Then I remembered the
> Minoru/PICNIC/SPIRIT project back in the mists of time like 8 years
> ago that was similar. What ever happened to Brian Bray and the
> associated project? All the URL's to them are now dead and of course
> Dave Scott, former list moderator died years ago. This list is more or
> less all that remains.
> 
> -- IV
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> .
> 

Re: [openhealth] Whatever happened to Minoru/PICNIC/SPIRIT?

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Karsten

What specifically is being assimilated or owned by Msoft or are you just 
making a rhetorical comment?

Joseph



Karsten Hilbert wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 08:58:01PM -0500, Ignacio Valdes wrote:
> 
>> On the heels of the http://www.openhealthtools.org/ announcement, I
>> was wondering why I wasn't that excited. Then I remembered the
>> Minoru/PICNIC/SPIRIT project back in the mists of time like 8 years
>> ago that was similar. What ever happened to Brian Bray and the
>> associated project? All the URL's to them are now dead and of course
>> Dave Scott, former list moderator died years ago. This list is more or
>> less all that remains.
> And is all but about to be assimilated er owned by
> Microsoft.
> 
> Karsten

[openhealth] US Health and Human Services funding an open source HIE gateway solution

[Joseph Dal Molin]

...apologies for cross postingthis has relevance to both the VistA 
and open source health community

In the past year or so there has been an increasing trend in "open 
source" adoption in some key US health initiatives the CCHIT  Laika 
project and now this one:

http://www.harris.com/view_pressrelease.asp?act=lookup&pr_id=2388

Cheers,

Joseph

(3/21/2008)

Harris Corporation Awarded Contract to Develop National Health 
Information Exchange Gateway for Sharing Patient Records

Company's Enterprise Intelligence Approach Applied to Healthcare IT in 
Support of Federal Agencies and Healthcare Providers Will Improve 
Quality of Care While Reducing Costs

FALLS CHURCH, VA, March 20, 2008 — Harris Corporation (NYSE:HRS), an 
international communications and information technology company, has 
been awarded a contract by the U.S. Department of Health and Human 
Services to develop and integrate an open-source, National Health 
Information Exchange Gateway solution. The Gateway, part of the larger 
National Health Information Network initiative, will enable federal 
healthcare agencies and healthcare providers to more quickly and easily 
share patient information - improving the quality of care and reducing 
costs.

Initially, the Gateway will connect government healthcare providers 
within the Department of Defense, Department of Veterans Affairs, Social 
Security Administration, and Indian Health Service to provide access and 
exchange of vital patient medical records. The second phase of the 
Gateway deployment will move the core components into the public domain, 
essentially creating a World Wide Web for healthcare information 
exchange among providers of all specialties and sizes.

Under the contract, Harris will provide the Gateway Core Services, 
customized software that can be easily downloaded by providers to 
quickly enable connection to the National Health Information Network; 
and a Software Development Kit which enables providers to customize the 
Gateway while connected to the network.

"Too many people die in the U.S. each year as a result of medical 
errors, and more than 30 percent of today's crippling healthcare costs 
are tied to overhead activities such as moving paperwork around," said 
Jim Traficant, vice president of Harris Healthcare Solutions. "The 
Gateway offers the next generation of capabilities in providing 
immediate access to vital medical information. It will be a valuable 
tool for saving lives and reducing costs by sharing and managing 
information."

The Gateway will integrate and reuse technology based on the Cancer 
Biomedical Informatics Grid used by the National Cancer Institute and 
the Bi-directional Health Information Exchange that currently provides 
for medical information exchange between the Department of Defense and 
the Department of Veterans Affairs. To provide the government with the 
lowest risk solution, Harris teamed with Agilex, Inc. and ScenPro, Inc. 
— recognized experts on technologies used in these programs.



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Re: [openhealth] Re: Creating the Free Medical Software Foundation

[Joseph Dal Molin]

 >
 > I agree.  In fact I personally recommended a well known IP attorney in
 > this area.

What would be best is someone who understands tax laws and not for 
profits, that's where the land mines are.

Joseph

Tim Cook wrote:
> Hi Sam,
> 
> Nice to talk to you again.
> 
> On Mon, 2008-02-25 at 16:09 +, sickleofzeus wrote:
>> Dear Tim,
>>
>> We are listening and I am definitely reading your comments. You have
>> very good thoughts and are contributing to this discussion in a very
>> thoughtful manner (as is usual for you). I apologize if my comments
>> here seem antagonistic. That is not my intention. I am not trying to
>> tear this idea down but rather add fuel for thought in the formative
>> phases.
>>
> 
> I do not think that your comments have been destructive though I am
> disheartened to see you and Fred in this argument. 
> 
> Let's all face it.  While we all have different points of view we must
> realize that we are minuscule in the world of health informatics. 
> 
>> I for one agree with you that this is a much needed project to pull
>> this already much divided community back together. To have one
>> organizations vigorously promoting FOSS solutions will be good for all
>> of us. 
>>
> 
> EXCELLENT!
> 
> 
>> I am not sure which acronym precipitated the ugly mail that you
>> received. I will not try to not repeat it here.
> 
> I believe in transparency.  It was FMSF.
> 
>> The reason I have bring up these issues is because I believe
>> conflict-of-interest is one of the factors that has contributed to our
>> current state. 
> 
> ... and this is one of the reasons that an independent organization is
> important. 
> 
> 
>> For this type of organization to do well all of the
>> projects need to respect the new organization. The appearance of
>> conflict-of-interest can be just as bad as the real thing precisely
>> because of the way we communicate in these forums.
> 
> Very true.
> 
>> I agree that board members should be allowed to participate in "paid
>> or unpaid projects" with the caveat that conflict-of-interest and the
>> appearance of conflict-of-interest should be avoided. I have emailed
>> the documents that I created for OSMS to Fred Trotter and these have
>> been forwarded to Ignacio Valdez. These documents were created under
>> the Gnu Free Document License and are freely copyable to be used as
>> desired. If you wish, I can include them here.
> 
> While they may be important to some; I believe that they are obvious to
> many.
> 
> 
>> I have an advantage in that I have already formed a not-for-profit
>> corporation and have some experience in this area. Getting the
>> 501(c)(3) designation is not easy and takes a long time.
> 
> This is VERY true (been there, done that).  I personally admire your
> persistence in this accomplishment.  
> 
>> The Board-of-Directors should if at all possible include a accountant
>> and an attorney. There are many legal and tax issues that come up and
>> having these professionals on the board are invaluable. 
> 
> I agree.  In fact I personally recommended a well known IP attorney in
> this area.  
> 
> As I hope that I pointed out in my earlier emails.  
> Developers and document creators are not the core of an open source
> (FOSS healthcare) application.   They are VERY important but the reality
> is that funding agencies must be convinced.  This takes technical
> analysis and evaluation of the entire healthcare context.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Tim
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> .
> 

Vermont (was) Re: [openhealth] Creating the Free Medical Software Foundation

[Joseph Dal Molin]

WorldVistA EHR is CCHIT certified.

OpenVista is Medsphere trademark and product and is not CCHIT certified.

The VITL folks did show an interest in WoldVistA EHR... but their
selection process was structured, as these things typically are, with 
the mindset
the legacy procurement model born of the proprietary world. WorldVistA 
simply
could not respond to some of the key qualifying criteria because they
didn't apply to an open source 501 c3 organization. So even when you
have a FOSS solution, procurement models can have a bias for proprietary
business models because that is what they have dealt with all their lives.

Cheers,

Joseph

balu raman wrote:
> Hi All,
> May be, I should not believe everything I read on oemr.org's stated goals as 
> a non-profit. I don't know if oemr.org is solely setup as a non-profit for 
> openemr product alone.
> 
> We have been using openemr in our practice for the past 3 years and it has 
> worked out well. That does not mean that there are not other FOSS products, 
> equally good, or better.
> 
> What I would like to see is many more FOSS products in the health field, 
> which are CCHIT certified, other than OpenVista/WorldVista (which ever is 
> right). I feel we have lost some opportunities in my own backyard (Vermont) 
> because of the lack of this CCHIT certification.
> 
> I do my share of FOSS activism and I did what I could to convince 
> VITL(vitl.net) to look at FOSS. VITL seems to be blessed by the state(VT) 
> legislature, and getting funded. They have just released their own 
> preselected vendor list for Vermont doctors. You will not find any FOSS 
> products. It is a well known fact that Vermont doctors cannot afford the 
> current EMR products, and the only solution seems to be give away grants to 
> these practices, and the proprietary vendors are waiting like vultures. There 
> is absolutely ZERO open source in all these. Everyone seems to be happy, in 
> the short term, except me.
> 
> May be, I have done a lousy job :-)
> 
> balu raman
> office manager
> ryder brook pediatrics
> morrisville, vt 05661
> 
> Tim Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   Hi All,
>  
>  On Sat, 2008-02-16 at 09:59 -0800, Gregory Woodhouse wrote:
>  
>  > I'm not familiar OEMR, but if it stands for Open EMR, isn't that a 
>  > particular product?
>  > 
>  > In any case, I don't think anyone has a moral right to insist that 
>  > anyone wanting to work in the area of open source medical 
>  > applications do so under the aegis of their organization.
>  
>  I agree.  I have worked with Dr. Bowen in the past and it was a great
>  experience  but it seems that the interest of the OEMR organization is
>  very tightly centered around OpenEMR much like the FreeMED Foundation
>  (another non-profit) is centered around promoting FreeMED and the
>  openEHR Foundation has a mandate to support and protect the use and
>  distribution of the openEHR specifications and software.  
>  
>  There is nothing wrong with this, it just appears to me that Fred is
>  proposing a project neutral organization. In this case the only
>  organization I can think of that it would be in any way in competition
>  with is OSHCA.  I believe that FMFS and OSHCA can be complimentary.  
>  
>  Over the past 10 years or so we have seen a huge growth in this area.
>  In terms of interest and international funding for projects. But we are
>  still VERY MUCH in the embryonic stages.  Many analogies apply here;
>  "Let a thousand flowers bloom", "A rising tide floats all boats", etc.
>  Sometimes it is difficult to see the forest for the trees when you are
>  on the ground. Let us mature together as an industry.
>  
>  I suggest that we support Fred's efforts.  There are significant efforts
>  involved in this venture.  FMFS may succeed or it may fail.  But we can
>  and will all learn along the way.  Bruce Perens recently wrote basically
>  a history of "open source" since he and Eric Raymond defined the term in
>  February 1998 and started the Open Source Initiative (sorry no link at
>  hand). He (and I) marveled at far we have come in Decade 0. I believe
>  that OSI was significant in this growth.  It took time, energy and money
>  (and marketing) to make things happen.  Maybe FMFS can be that
>  organization for healthcare?
>  
>  Regards,
>  Tim
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[openhealth] PRESS RELEASE - WorldVistA EHR VOE/ 1.0 Available - Open Source EHR]

[Joseph Dal Molin]

FYI.


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

*WorldVistA EHRTM VOE/ 1.0 Available
Open Source EHR*

January 31, 2008 - WorldVistA announces the release and availability of
WorldVistA EHR VOE/ 1.0, the only open source EHR that meets
Certification Commission for Healthcare Information Technology (CCHIT)
ambulatory electronic health record (EHR) criteria for 2006.  WorldVistA
EHR VOE/ 1.0 is based on and compatible with the U.S. Department of
Veterans Affairs (VA) world renowned EHR, VistA®.

The foundation for WorldVistA EHR was developed as part of the
VistA-Office EHR (VOE) project, a collaborative effort funded by the
Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), an agency of the
Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS). The overall goal of the
project was to encourage the broader adoption and effective use of EHRs
among physicians by making an affordable, robust, proven EHR solution
alternative available.

After completion of the VOE project, WorldVistA made additional
enhancements and successfully submitted WorldVistA EHR for certification
by CCHIT. As a CCHIT Certified product, WorldVistA EHR VOE/ 1.0 has been
tested and passed inspection of 100 percent of a set of criteria for
functionality (ability to create and manage electronic records for all
patients, as well as automating workflow in a physician's office),
interoperability (a first step in the ability to receive and send
electronic data to other entities such as laboratories), and security
(ability to keep patients' information safe).

WorldVistA is a non-profit 501(c)(3) organization whose mission is
furthering the cause of affordable healthcare information technology
worldwide by advocating, championing, and employing the open source
paradigm to expand the use and collaborative improvement of the VistA
electronic health record. WorldVistA seeks to facilitate and enable
global adoption of VistA solutions thorough technology transfer,
education and training services. WorldVistA manages and supports the
open, collaborative, peer reviewed development and enhancement of VistA
and WorldVistA EHR. WorldVistA EHR is licensed under the GNU General
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Re: [openhealth] Open Sourcing of Proteus Tools

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Hemant,

I would avoid creating a "custom" open source license at all 
costsand avoid getting tangled up with the legal dept. By the since 
you are the copyright holders for the software there is nothing stopping 
you from dual licensing your code.

Joseph

Fred Trotter wrote:
> Here is a good place to start.
> 
> http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/blogs/sharing_medical_software_foss_licensing_in_medicine
> 
> Please do not write your own license.
> 
> Let me know if you have further questions after reading.
> 
> -FT
> 
> On Dec 17, 2007 5:42 PM, Hemant Shah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> Proteus (http://www.proteme.org) is an approach that allows authoring
>> executable clinical processes and guidelines with decision support
>> integrated within them.
>>
>> I am on the verge of making Proteus related tools available under an open
>> source license. I need the advice of this community of open source
>> champions
>> on how to go about it and the choice of open source license. I know this
>> has
>> been discussed time and again on this list but I am still unclear about
>> several things. Therefore please indulge my naiveté.
>>
>> I think LGPL provides most of what I need however I am still not clear
>> about
>> the use of derivative products. Specific example: what is there to prevent
>> me from taking a class e.g, Person of an open source project and extend it
>> by a class called SpecialPerson, and instead of adding the functionality
>> that logically belongs in the Person class, enhance the SpecialPerson
>> which
>> I then keep closed source? By doing this one can easily violate the spirit
>> and the intent of the license.
>>
>> My employer, Henry Ford Health System (HFHS) is supporting me in getting
>> the
>> Proteus tools open sourced. We have plans to use the open source version
>> for
>> research and to assist clinicians in patient care. Therefore significant
>> development will take place after it has been open sourced. I have access
>> to
>> the HFHS legal department if needed. However, I need to know what help
>> should I seek from them. Does it make sense to craft your own open source
>> license instead of utilizing one of the standard ones?
>>
>> Any advice will be appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> Hemant
>>
>> --
>> Hemant Shah, M.D., M.Surg.
>> Sr. Research Informatician
>> Henry Ford Health System
>> One Ford Place, 3C
>> Detroit, MI 48202
>>
>>
>> http://www.proteme.org
>>
>>
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[openhealth] Re: [FOSS_health] [Fwd: Re: [oshca_members] Why is open source fidelity is important to health care and what should OSHCA do?]

[Joseph Dal Molin]

"The needs of the developing world is very different
 > from that in the developed world, hence GK3 that will address ICT4D
 > targetting the developing world where achieving the MDGs is still a
 > dream while that has been achieved in the developed world."

I respectfully have to disagree.I have had the privilege over the 
past few years to experience and now work in both. I'm sorry to say that 
in reality the developed world has areas whose needs are almost 
identical.all you have to do is visit one of aboriginal reserves 
here in Canada, or the slums of any large US city and experience how 
many homeless people and others go without any decent health care. 
Compare the infant mortality rates in the US to Cuba's 
(http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/12/opinion/12kris.html)which is the 
developing country?

The cultural contexts may be different, but a tremendous number of 
hospitals and clinics in the developed world cannot afford high quality 
health information technology and don't have any to speak offar too 
many are still paper based and have no clinical systems. The developed 
world has its own internal digital divides that will benefit from 
collaboration with the developing world and vice versa.

Dividing the world up into islands of development and automation fails 
to take advantage of one of the most important strengths of the open 
source model. VistA is actually a good example of how you can go 
overboard focusing on a local/regionsl context. The implementations in 
Germany and Egypt which took place several years ago now have forked and 
stagnated to the point which they have not been able to take advantage 
of significant innovations. The German system is still roll and 
scrollVistA pre 1998. That's why we put the World in WorldVistA  
WorldCup not WorldSeries :-)

Yes there is a need to coordinate in regional cultural contextsbut 
the fundamental issues we are facing are the same across the world and 
working collaboratively will enable us to solve them faster, and in a 
way that can lead to lasting evidence based continuous improvement. The 
challenges of health care are universalperhaps I am overly 
idealistic...but I believe that solving them together will make the 
world a safer, happier place for everyone.


Joseph






Molly Cheah wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Subject:
> Re: [oshca_members] Why is open source fidelity is important to health 
> care and what should OSHCA do?
> From:
> Molly Cheah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date:
> Sun, 02 Dec 2007 06:54:16 +0800
> To:
> OSHCA Members List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> To:
> OSHCA Members List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> 
> These are the same issues when debating the resurrection of OSHCA and 
> when discussing who/what should be accepted for presenting at the OSHCA 
> 2007 conference. The needs of the developing world is very different 
> from that in the developed world, hence GK3 that will address ICT4D 
> targetting the developing world where achieving the MDGs is still a 
> dream while that has been achieved in the developed world. A look at 
> most of the successful business models using open source technologies 
> today are seen in the west, including the uptake of VistA which some of 
> us are still trying to bring to the developing world.
> 
> OSHCA has provision for chapters in Asia, Europe, North American, Latin 
> America & Caribbean, Africa & Middle East, East Europe & Central Asia 
> and Oceania and we have members from ALL these places. Article 4 of its 
> constitution also provides the principles where members from different 
> regions can take the lead to evolve different projects with different 
> focus to meet their own priorities and needs, without having to enforce 
> their own interests on others. That's how OSHCA can be strengthened, if 
> members want to see it strengthened. Please go ahead and do that rather 
> than talk about other platforms. So what are you guys from the developed 
> world waiting for?
> 
> As I have said before, my interest is to see the use of oss (of any 
> kind) in the health care sector in the developing world and to address 
> capacity building for the use of oss.
> 
> Molly
> Joseph Dal Molin wrote:
>> Something to think about Tim: would embedding collaboration in 
>> something like IMIA  impose any barriers to entry such as having to 
>> pay a significant fee to joinand does the charter or culture of 
>> that or any other organization impose any restrictions or political 
>> baggage etc. that get in the way. If it costs money to join for 
>> example, you are already imposing a "tax" on collaboration and 
>> volunteering.
>>
>> Persona

Re: [openhealth] Re: [oshca_members] OSHCA's Aims and Objectives

[Joseph Dal Molin]

 > Many of us wear multiple hats.  90% of the time, it does not matter
 > which hat we are wearing, but it is critical to clarify which hat is
 > being worn when speaking if there is the possibility of ambiguity.
 > Also, it is not actual ambiguity in our minds that matters - it is the
 > potential for ambiguity in the minds of the recipient as well as those
 > who may read or hear those words downstream, possibly in a different
 > context.

the above reminds me of a quote I heard last week at a Harvard Med. 
School conference:

"there is no better antiseptic than sunlight"

The basic lesson in this discussion from a business perspective is that 
transparency is a critical success factor if an 
organization/individual/company wants to position themselves as an "open 
source" solution provider. This issue has presented itself at least a 
couple of times on openhealth and elsewhere...

Joseph

K.S. Bhaskar wrote:
> On 12/01/2007 12:18 AM, Molly Cheah wrote:
>>
>> No Tim. That was Tims' intepretation of what is open source. Frankly,
> 
> [KSB] If (former US President) Bill Clinton could raise an ambiguity 
> about the word "is", there is probably room for interpretation of "open 
> source".  Here are some places to read what others have to say:
> 
> http://opensource.org/docs/osd
> http://www.us.debian.org/intro/free
> http://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/free-sw.html
> 
> I realize that I am mixing the terms "open source" and "free software" 
> to some extent, but they both mean very much the same thing in my mind, 
> and differences are amplified by personality clashes rather than 
> differences in meaning.  [Many movements have charismatic leaders with 
> strong personalities and deeply held convictions - "sometimes wrong, but 
> never in doubt".]
> 
> [KSB] <...snip...>
> 
>> Currently the law in Malaysia on patient safety does not recognise
>> statements that does or does not provide warranty of the application
>> (tool) used in patient care.
> 
> [KSB] This is truly unfortunate.  Extrapolating, under Malaysian law, if 
> I were to create a very sharp obsidian cutting instrument, I would seem 
> to be violating patient safety, whether or not I provide a warranty that 
> it is suitable for use as a scalpel.
> 
> [KSB] <...>
> 
> Many of us wear multiple hats.  90% of the time, it does not matter 
> which hat we are wearing, but it is critical to clarify which hat is 
> being worn when speaking if there is the possibility of ambiguity. 
> Also, it is not actual ambiguity in our minds that matters - it is the 
> potential for ambiguity in the minds of the recipient as well as those 
> who may read or hear those words downstream, possibly in a different 
> context.
> 
> For example, I wear (at least) three hats:
> 
>   - I manage GT.M, where we are trying to build a business based on 
> software released under the GPL.
> 
>   - I co-founded, and serve on the board of, WorldVistA, a 
> non-profitable charitable organization that advocates the use of 
> affordable healthcare IT through the use of VistA.
> 
>   - I recently started a term on the board of the VistA Software 
> Alliance, a trade group.
> 
> When I advocate WorldVistA EHR, I need to be sure that the person I am 
> not speaking for VSA (which advocates all flavors of VistA, not just 
> WorldVistA EHR).  Also, wearing my WorldVistA hat, I must be neutral 
> about the platform that VistA is deployed on, which I don't have to be 
> when I wear my GT.M hat.
> 
> Life presents us with many opportunities to be misunderstood.
> 
> Regards
> -- Bhaskar
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Re: [openhealth] free as in beer: lines of criticism

[Joseph Dal Molin]

 > There may be opportunities ahead.

I am optimistic too ;-)

Joseph

Adrian Midgley wrote:
> Joseph Dal Molin wrote:
>> I totally agree with Tim... the pure ASP model is an accident
>> waiting to happen...I would not want to put a patient's life in the
>> hands of a network provider.
>>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> It is NHS policy.  (In the UK)
> 
> I'm not disagreeing, you understand, not necessarily.
> 
> Just remarking in the light of the comments above that going with the
> single source, proprietary providers, one connection per building, at
> the moment, national consolidation into relatively few data centres etc
> etc etc is the policy which our emeritus prime minister adopted after a
> 10 minute PowerPoint(R)* briefing a few years ago.
> 
> There may be opportunities ahead.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> * So it doesn't just make spacecraft explode (See Tufte's comments).
> 

Re: [openhealth] free as in beer: lines of criticism

[Joseph Dal Molin]

 > access to current data, and I am not sure that this can be addressed
 > via a licensing agreement.

That''s why we have standards :-)

Fred Trotter wrote:
> I have thought that for this reason, I should recommending the new
> Affero GPL for FOSS ehr software. There is also the issue of ensuring
> access to current data, and I am not sure that this can be addressed
> via a licensing agreement.
> 
> -FT
> 
> On Nov 15, 2007 9:33 AM, Joseph Dal Molin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I totally agree with Tim... the pure ASP model is an accident
>> waiting to happen...I would not want to put a patient's life in the
>> hands of a network provider. Hurricane Katrina is a good exampleand
>> the recent network failure in California in the VA system is another
>> example (which BTW they would have avoided had they not started down the
>> path to consolidating data centers).
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>>
>> Tim Cook wrote:
>>> If;
>>> 1) the **patients** have a choice in what information is used about them
>>> 2) and there is a guaranteed standard way to retrieve all of their data
>>> if desired
>>>
>>> Then I have no issue with this model.
>>>
>>> I do have serious concerns about the sanity of the doctors trusting
>>> their patient records to a single point.  There are far too many
>>> communications interruptions (even in the US) for that to make any
>>> sense. The hosted EMR is a really bad idea; except for maybe if you are
>>> Google and have tons of connecting points.  Still, the clinic link to
>>> the Internet is a critical point of failure.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 14:10 +, Adrian Midgley wrote:
>>>> http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2007/05/07/bisb0507.htm
>>>>
>>>> Expensive - by UK standards - if they don't take the adverts.
>>>>
>>>> I suspect that the licencing model is such that when the company
>>>> folds,
>>>> the software goes away, or alternative and likely more expensive ways
>>>> of
>>>> supporting what by then will be a practice asset will be imposable
>>>> upon
>>>> users.
>>>>
>>>> Whereas with an open source model, none of this applies.
>>>>
>>>> Who is an AMA member who could write to the journal?
>>>> --
>>>> Midgley
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [openhealth] free as in beer: lines of criticism

[Joseph Dal Molin]

I totally agree with Tim... the pure ASP model is an accident 
waiting to happen...I would not want to put a patient's life in the 
hands of a network provider. Hurricane Katrina is a good exampleand 
the recent network failure in California in the VA system is another 
example (which BTW they would have avoided had they not started down the 
path to consolidating data centers).

Joseph

Tim Cook wrote:
> If;
> 1) the **patients** have a choice in what information is used about them
> 2) and there is a guaranteed standard way to retrieve all of their data
> if desired 
> 
> Then I have no issue with this model. 
> 
> I do have serious concerns about the sanity of the doctors trusting
> their patient records to a single point.  There are far too many
> communications interruptions (even in the US) for that to make any
> sense. The hosted EMR is a really bad idea; except for maybe if you are
> Google and have tons of connecting points.  Still, the clinic link to
> the Internet is a critical point of failure.  
> 
> Tim
> 
>  
> 
> 
> On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 14:10 +, Adrian Midgley wrote:
>> http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2007/05/07/bisb0507.htm
>>
>> Expensive - by UK standards - if they don't take the adverts.
>>
>> I suspect that the licencing model is such that when the company
>> folds,
>> the software goes away, or alternative and likely more expensive ways
>> of
>> supporting what by then will be a practice asset will be imposable
>> upon
>> users.
>>
>> Whereas with an open source model, none of this applies.
>>
>> Who is an AMA member who could write to the journal?
>> -- 
>> Midgley
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  

Re: [openhealth] Who should come to OSHCA 2007 Conference?

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Hi Bill,

Thank you for asking this important question... the end user is 
ultimately the most important stakeholder in an open source ecosystem. 
Having helped organize all the OSHCA conferences so far,  I would say 
the answer is definitely yes, this will be an excellent conference for 
end users and organizations like yours which are focused on improving 
health care in resource constrained countries. Over the past few weeks 
we have been collecting abstracts for the various topics that have been 
proposed and should be able to post a working agenda in the next few 
days if not sooner. Comments and suggestions as to how to improve the 
meeting will be most welcome.

Kindest regards,

Joseph
..
Joseph Dal Molin

OSHCA, Secretary
President, WorldVistA
Tel: 1.416.232.1206


William Lester wrote:
> While I've been a lurker on the openhealth listserv for a while, I have
> been paying attention to all the conversations, especially around the
> upcoming OSHCA 2007 Conference. In a recent meeting with the CIO of
> International Planned Parenthood, we wondered out loud whether we should
> consider attending the conference.
> 
>  
> 
> We are users of open source medical records and clinic management
> systems. We build/buy/install various applications and work with our
> staff to implement reasonable solutions. We face lots of challenges,
> especially around our work in developing countries in low resource
> settings. We are looking for new solutions, and want to meet those who
> work in the world of health applications and who understand our problems
> and our needs.
> 
>  
> 
> Yet in all the discussions around the 2007 conference, we've seen
> nothing that we would indicate that we fit the demographics of someone
> you'd want at your conference. It seems to be focused on developers and
> not on end users. So my question is "Is this conference appropriate for
> end users of your systems? What would we get out of attending the
> conference?"
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks for your consideration.
> 
>  
> 
> Bill Lester
> 
>  
> 
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>  
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Re: [openhealth] Won t be there

[Joseph Dal Molin]

 given that all OSHCA members will not be able to attend the meeting 
in KL, how about setting up an OSHCA members only list so everyone who 
is a member can begin discussing this and any other OSHCA member 
specific ideas, issues etc.

Joseph

Molly Cheah wrote:

>>
> OSHCA has a provision for setting up regional chapters in its 
> constitution. However only OSHCA members have the right to set up these 
> chapters. The community had very extensive discussions on this before 
> OSHCA was registered i.e.that members put the main organisation on a 
> sound footing first before the regional chapters are to be established. 
> In fact I would like to see this discussed under "Getting OSHCA 
> Organised" among OSHCA members at the coming OSHCA AGM during the 
> upcoming conference in KL.
> 
> Rgds,
> Molly
> 

Re: [openhealth] OSHCA history

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Ciao Bud,

You bring up a good pointand that is that it would be good to 
profile the key contributors to OSHCA's evolution. I believe much of the 
previous oshca.org website material was captured. the agenda and 
speakers for 2001 in London is there and I think the FAO hosted meeting 
in Rome which you secured the funding for and were instrumental in 
organizing is there too.  I happened to be going through my email from 
those years and found much of the original correspondence as we were 
getting OSHCA off the ground for the first time. I think it would be 
valuable to enhance the history pages to provide a complete picture of 
OSHCA's roots.let me know if you would like to lend a hand.

Joseph



Molly Cheah wrote:
> Hi Bud. Sure. I put in what I knew. Just construct the paragraph of what 
> you wish to have posted that reflected what you did and send it to me. 
> Perhaps you should make an attempt to attend the OSHCA conference 2007 
> in KL. The special fares for Visit Malaysia Year should make the trip 
> affordable for you - an experience trip and the opportunity to meet old 
> friends :). Hotel is approx. 39 Euro per day nett single or twin with 
> buffet breakfast. Conference registration is approx. 76 Euro for 4 days 
> event with almost all meals thrown in and you get to hear what's current 
> in FOSS in Healthcare. Hope to see you in KL.
> 
> A special to the beach is on the cards (planning) after the conference - 
> May 12-14 or 15?. (feedback please!) for those interested.
> Rgds,
> Molly
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>> Hi Molly,
>>
>> maybe you remember me.  Changed to a diffent life these days and just by
>> chance looked at OSHCA mails again and just for couriosity--all my
>> financially viabile things are worlds away from open source health care
>> these days--I'm all the way into open source for electronic Identity Cards
>> these days, sometimes even reverting to just common sense in this domain
>> even without open ource...
>>
>> But anyhow, I looked at the history section of OSHCA and was wondering
>> whether some of the things I did could be mentioned there.  After all, I
>> organized the foundation meeting of OSHCA at FAO, was the initial author
>> of its Charter (before incorporation) and payed quite a bit out of my own
>> personal pocket to make things happen (I diverted quite a bit of the FAO
>> contract to paying for OSHCA activities instead of putting it in my own
>> pocket)...
>>
>> Do you think there is any chance to add my name to the history section of
>> OSHCA?
>>
>> best cheers
>> -bud
>>
>>
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Re: [openhealth] Re: Qualitative Research in Health Informatics was:Webmergence

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Philippe,

What Tim is describing is a qualitative research methodology that is 
based on letting a hypothesis emerge from the data. the connection 
to open source is that this methodology was used to study open source 
community behaviour not for actual programming. So to try to simplify 
and summarize:

Open source development - software solutions emerge out of a seemingly 
chaotic process
Grounded theory - hypotheses emerge from data

The internet enables virtual communities that are large enough for 
emergent behaviour to be an effective force for it to be a practical 
element of strategy for software and other knowledge based development.

Hope that makes sense.

Joseph

Philippe AMELINE wrote:
> Hi Tim and Joseph,
> 
> I must confess that this grounded theory lets me much confused.
> 
> On one hand, it means that a method to discover emerging laws already 
> exists.. that's good news.
> 
> On the other hand, you said that this grounded theory was used for open 
> source programming: wow!
> 
> My intuition about webmergence is that a system that is large enough and 
> enables a sufficient level of interaction will make unexpected "emerging 
> mass behaviour" appear. I must confess that introducing the ability of 
> grounded theory to build open source software from this leads to a kind 
> of reflexivity where my brain gets lost ;-)
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Philippe
> 
> By the way, this grounded theory is really teasing... can you tell us 
> more about the connexion to open source programming?
> 
> Tim Cook wrote:
>> On Fri, 2007-03-23 at 10:47 -0400, Joseph Dal Molin wrote:
>>> Would it be accurate to sum it up by saying that "grounded theory" in
>>> the context of this thread means letting a hypothesis emerge from the
>>> data as you collect it . and that's the connection to emergence?
>>>
>>> Joseph
>>>
>> That would be accurate.
>>
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[openhealth] OSHCA Conference May 8-11 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia - Passport and Visa Planning

[Joseph Dal Molin]

For anyone considering attending the upcoming OSHCA conference please 
ensure that you have looked into the visa and passport requirements for 
your country. Expedia UK provides a good guide.here:

http://www.expedia.co.uk/daily/wg/P42138.asp?CCheck=1&;

and something important to plan for:

"Passports: A valid passport or other travel documents recognised by the 
Malaysian government required by all. The former must have enough pages 
for the embarkation stamp upon arrival and be valid for at least six 
months at date of entry. The latter should be endorsed with a valid 
re-entry permit. If not in possession of a passport or travel document, 
a Document in lieu of Passport must be obtained from any Malaysian 
Representation Office. Holders of travel documents such as a Certificate 
of Identity, a Laisser Passer, a Titre de Voyage or a Country’s 
Certificate of Residence must ensure guarantee of return to country that 
issued the documents or the national’s country of residence."

Cheers,

Joseph
OSHCA, Conference Technical Committee



 
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Re: [openhealth] Re: Qualitative Research in Health Informatics was:Webmergence

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Would it be accurate to sum it up by saying that "grounded theory" in 
the context of this thread means letting a hypothesis emerge from the 
data as you collect it . and that's the connection to emergence?

Joseph

Tim Cook wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-03-23 at 08:53 -0400, Tim Cook wrote:
>> using a grounded theory ( http://www.groundedtheory.com/ ) approach by
>> analyzing all communications, project diaries and other interactions.
> 
> A much better reference: 
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grounded_theory_%28Glaser%29
> 
> 

Re: [openhealth] Webmergence

[Joseph Dal Molin]

...another good reference is "Out of Control" by Kevin Kelly

Philippe AMELINE wrote:
> Thanks for the link.
> 
> I remember the e-cology name, so I understand why you like this theory.
> It deals with something like "what are the condition for a wide group of 
> ants to behave like an ant colony". What are the "pheromones" ?
> 
> Open source projects are taken as an example of possible achievement by 
> a large group of interacting human beings... whose aim is to create it.
> 
> In the Webmergence theory, rules are not foreseen; they emerge from 
> massive interaction of people and systems who are not conscious of the 
> global direction (in the same way fishes in a group are just behaving 
> according to their neighbors direction, however steady complex 
> geometrical figures emerge from the shoal when seen at a distance).
> 
> In this case, I try to understand how open source could be a catalyst. A 
> good way to ease interaction in order to find positive emerging 
> behaviors (due to fast trial and error evolution of systems that enable 
> interaction, for example).
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Philippe
> 
> Joseph Dal Molin wrote:
>> Here is one I found using Google:
>> http://www.cio.com/archive/060100/chaos.html 
>> <http://www.cio.com/archive/060100/chaos.html>
>>
>> The search terms I used were: "harnessing complexity" open source
>> complex adaptive systems
>>
>> Philippe AMELINE wrote:
>>> Hi Joseph,
>>>
>>> Many thanks for your encouragements.
>>> Can you point out some web information about this? Especially the way
>>> "Harnessing complexity" is tied/connected to open source.
>>>
>>> Philippe
>>>
>>> Joseph Dal Molin wrote:
>>>> Hi Philippe,
>>>>
>>>> Have a look at complex adaptive systems theory and evolutionary
>>>> ecologyit is very connected to FOSS and your webmergence concept.
>>>> Robert Axlerod's "Harnessing Complexity" is an excellent book on the
>>>> subject and ties the theory to open source. My academic background 
>> is in
>>>> ecology and have been using this point of view as foundation for my 
>> open
>>>> source and health IT strategy consulting since I started out on my own
>>>> in '98. I for one think you are on the right track!
>>>>
>>>> Joseph
>>>>
>>>> Philippe AMELINE wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Webmergence is a new concept (well... I just invented it).
>>>>>
>>>>> I feel that it is somewhat related (or connected) with FOSS, but I 
>> have
>>>>> not been able to formalize it yet.
>>>>> Can you help?
>>>>>
>>>>> Webmergence is described on my blog (as a first draft... you can 
>> flame):
>>>>> http://philippe.ameline.free.fr/wordpress/index.php?p=17 
>> <http://philippe.ameline.free.fr/wordpress/index.php?p=17>
>>>> <http://philippe.ameline.free.fr/wordpress/index.php?p=17 
>> <http://philippe.ameline.free.fr/wordpress/index.php?p=17>>
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Philippe
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>>>
>>>
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Re: [openhealth] Webmergence

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Here is one I found using Google: 
http://www.cio.com/archive/060100/chaos.html

The search terms I used were: "harnessing complexity" open source 
complex adaptive systems

Philippe AMELINE wrote:
> Hi Joseph,
> 
> Many thanks for your encouragements.
> Can you point out some web information about this? Especially the way 
> "Harnessing complexity" is tied/connected to open source.
> 
> Philippe
> 
> Joseph Dal Molin wrote:
>> Hi Philippe,
>>
>> Have a look at complex adaptive systems theory and evolutionary
>> ecologyit is very connected to FOSS and your webmergence concept.
>> Robert Axlerod's "Harnessing Complexity" is an excellent book on the
>> subject and ties the theory to open source. My academic background is in
>> ecology and have been using this point of view as foundation for my open
>> source and health IT strategy consulting since I started out on my own
>> in '98. I for one think you are on the right track!
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>> Philippe AMELINE wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Webmergence is a new concept (well... I just invented it).
>>>
>>> I feel that it is somewhat related (or connected) with FOSS, but I have
>>> not been able to formalize it yet.
>>> Can you help?
>>>
>>> Webmergence is described on my blog (as a first draft... you can flame):
>>> http://philippe.ameline.free.fr/wordpress/index.php?p=17 
>> <http://philippe.ameline.free.fr/wordpress/index.php?p=17>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Philippe
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>  
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Re: [openhealth] Webmergence

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Hi Philippe,

Have a look at complex adaptive systems theory and evolutionary 
ecologyit is very connected to FOSS and your webmergence concept. 
Robert Axlerod's "Harnessing Complexity" is an excellent book on the 
subject and ties the theory to open source. My academic background is in 
ecology and have been using this point of view as foundation for my open 
source and health IT strategy consulting since I started out on my own 
in '98. I for one think you are on the right track!

Joseph

Philippe AMELINE wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Webmergence is a new concept (well... I just invented it).
> 
> I feel that it is somewhat related (or connected) with FOSS, but I have 
> not been able to formalize it yet.
> Can you help?
> 
> Webmergence is described on my blog (as a first draft... you can flame):
> http://philippe.ameline.free.fr/wordpress/index.php?p=17
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Philippe
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> .
> 

Re: [openhealth] Blue Cliff, Inc. Announces Development Of VistA EMR Laboratory Interface

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Yes... absolutely. we are keen on building a critical mass of free 
open source channels to reduce the cost and complexity of implementing 
VOE. This was one of the key considerations that went into our selection 
of Mirth.

Joseph


Will Ross wrote:
> Joseph,
> 
> Will WorldVistA be donating the lab "channels" developed for VOE to  
> the Mirth public library?   Mendocino Informatics is currently in the  
> process of developing six separate lab channels for Mirth, all of  
> which will be made available under a free license via the public  
> library.   If the VOE channels will be free to the public, and if we  
> have any areas of overlap, then we should collaborate rather than  
> both develop the same lab channel(s).
> 
> With best regards,
> 
> [wr]
> 
> - - - - - - - -
> 
> On Mar 7, 2007, at 9:10 AM, Joseph Dal Molin wrote:
> 
>>  to put this into the context of the VistA Office EHR project  
>> which
>> funded this effort the lab interface is based on the Mirth engine
>> and is one of the key components the VOE project funded to address  
>> CCHIT
>> certification requirements. Another development site is currently
>> working with the same platform to integrate their practice management
>> system and another lab service. WorldVistA's strategy is to create a
>> library of interfaces based on this platform to significantly  
>> reduce the
>> cost of integration with other systems.
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>> Ignacio Valdes wrote:
>>> "Blue Cliff, Inc. <http://www.bluecliffinc.com/> has announced the
>>> development of a non-proprietary open source laboratory interface to
>>> VistA-Office Electronic Health record system (VOE). Blue Cliff is a
>>> Hawaii-based software consultant and development company  
>>> specializing in
>>> providing installation, configuration and customization support  
>>> for VistA
>>> and its derivatives."
>>>
>>> http://www.linuxmednews.com/1173285268/index_html
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
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Re: [openhealth] Blue Cliff, Inc. Announces Development Of VistA EMR Laboratory Interface

[Joseph Dal Molin]

 to put this into the context of the VistA Office EHR project which 
funded this effort the lab interface is based on the Mirth engine 
and is one of the key components the VOE project funded to address CCHIT 
certification requirements. Another development site is currently 
working with the same platform to integrate their practice management 
system and another lab service. WorldVistA's strategy is to create a 
library of interfaces based on this platform to significantly reduce the 
cost of integration with other systems.

Joseph

Ignacio Valdes wrote:
> "Blue Cliff, Inc.  has announced the
> development of a non-proprietary open source laboratory interface to
> VistA-Office Electronic Health record system (VOE). Blue Cliff is a
> Hawaii-based software consultant and development company specializing in
> providing installation, configuration and customization support for VistA
> and its derivatives."
> 
> http://www.linuxmednews.com/1173285268/index_html
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
> 

Re: [openhealth] Medsphere really is an open source company after all?

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Tim,

The short answer is WorldVistA has some house cleaning to dothe 
website you pointed to is our old Sourceforge hosted site which is 
redirected to www.worldvista.org, you can still get to it if you know 
the URL or perhaps Google will find it.

As for the OpenVistA nameWorldVistA first started using the term 
OpenVistA (note the upper case A) several months before we formally 
incorporated during the first porting effort to Linux/GT.M around 2000. 
In retrospect what we didn't do then, regrettably, is trademark the 
name. A year or so after our incorporation Medsphere started using the 
name, and then filed a trademark application a couple of years ago. 
While there was talk of having multiple Open VistA's (there is a HUI 
OpenVista too) WorldVistA decided that it would be best to re-brand our 
efforts than contest the filing or muddy the waters.

So the bottom line is that any references to OpenVistA on our website 
are purely artifacts of our historical use of the name what is 
ironic is that the medsphere.org site points to the WorldVistA wiki for 
the installation instructions for its serverjust follow the 
"elsewhere" linkproving once again that open source really works!

Joseph

Tim Churches wrote:
> See
> http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=197700935
> and
> http://www.medsphere.com/press/20070226b
> 
> Is that now a correct summation? That's a question, because I am
> terribly confused by references to OpenVista on the WorldVista web site
> at http://worldvista.sourceforge.net/openvista/index.html as opposed to
> references to OpenVista(R) Community Edition on the Medsphere web site.
> 
> Nevertheless, if you go to http://www.medsphere.org. there is
> documentation and links to downloadable code. And they have released a
> .Net/Mono version of the Vista CPRS GUI front-end that apparently runs
> on Windows, Mac OS X and Linux (using Mono). Has anyone tried that?
> 
> Ah, on SourceForge, the Medsphere OpenVista stuff is here:
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/openvista
> https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=74626
> 
> And the WorldVista stuff is here:
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/worldvista/
> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=60087/
> 
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Re: [openhealth] VistA Office EHR SemiVivA 2.3.1 released

[Joseph Dal Molin]

CPRS is based on Delphi not MUMPSand yes it is being ported to 
Java by VA.

Nandalal Gunaratne wrote:
>> Right now it is in hibernation.
> 
> Pity.
> 
> I find that it is difficult to get people to look at
> MUMPS. They all shy away from it. I have yet to meet
> someone in asia who uses VistA and M or GT.M for that
> matter.
> 
> Porting it into Java was being discussed sometime ago.
> I guess that would be a difficult job?
> 
> Nandalal
> 
> --- Joseph Dal Molin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> It got 95% of the way there and needs more funding
>> to complete the work. 
>> Right now it is in hibernation.
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>> Nandalal Gunaratne wrote:
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> There was an attempt with CodeWeavers to build the
>>> CPRS to work with Linux  instead of MS Windows.
>> How
>>> far has this gone?
>>>
>>> Nandalal
>>> --- Joseph Dal Molin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  > Does this have a GUI interface?
>>>>
>>>> That is a very broad question.the answer is
>> not
>>>> everything in VOE 
>>>> nor VistA has a GUI interface... the backend
>>>> components like lab and 
>>>> pharmacy are role and scroll for the most
>> part
>>>> but if you are a 
>>>> provider of care you work in a GUI world.
>>>>
>>>> The clinical GUI interface for VOE is primarily
>>>> CPRS, we are also using 
>>>> a couple of other components which have their own
>>>> GUI like document 
>>>> scanning etc. We have integrated EsiObjects to
>>>> provide a web browser 
>>>> patient registration capability.
>>>>
>>>> There is no online demo for VOE but you can get a
>>>> good idea of what it 
>>>> is like by going to the online demo that the VA
>> has:
>>>> www.va.gov/cprsdemo
>>>>
>>>> Joseph
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nandalal Gunaratne wrote:
>>>>> Does this have a GUI interface? IS there a demo
>>>> online
>>>>> to try out?
>>>>>
>>>>> Nandalal
>>>>> --- Joseph Dal Molin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>>>>> a couple of important clarifications to
>>>>>> Bhaskar's post:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  > Please note that this VERSION OF THE
>> software
>>>> has
>>>>>> not been field tested.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  this specific version has not been field
>>>> tested
>>>>>>  > Furthermore, most of the components IN THIS
>>>>>> VERSION OF VOE were 
>>>>>> introduced to none of
>>>>>>  > the usual VistA SDLC (Software Development
>>>> Life
>>>>>> Cycle) where packages
>>>>>>  > and patches of any complexity usually endure
>> a
>>>>>> number of iterations
>>>>>>  > between SQA (Software Quality Assurance)
>>>> reviews,
>>>>>> field testing and
>>>>>>  > developer responses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> VOE is currently undergoing completion of SQA
>>>> using
>>>>>> the same standards 
>>>>>> as are used in the VA. This work will be
>>>> completed
>>>>>> toward the end of 
>>>>>> March. WorldVistA has submitted its application
>>>> to
>>>>>> certify the software 
>>>>>> under the CCHIT 2006 criteria...assuming all
>> goes
>>>>>> well successful 
>>>>>> certification will be announced in late April
>> or
>>>>>> very early May.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joseph
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> VOE Program Manager, WorldVistA
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> K.S. Bhaskar wrote:
>>>>>>> VistA Office EHR SemiVivA 2.3.1 (MD5 sum
>>>>>>> 16a0e6ae1951a512e88d83edd4e254a9) is available
>>>> for
>>>>>> downloading from
>>>>>>> the WorldVistA project page at Source Forge
>>>>>>> (http://sourceforge.net/projects/worldvista).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> VistA Office EHR SemiVivA 2.3.1 packages t

Re: [openhealth] VistA Office EHR SemiVivA 2.3.1 released

[Joseph Dal Molin]

It got 95% of the way there and needs more funding to complete the work. 
Right now it is in hibernation.

Joseph

Nandalal Gunaratne wrote:
> Thanks.
> 
> There was an attempt with CodeWeavers to build the
> CPRS to work with Linux  instead of MS Windows. How
> far has this gone?
> 
> Nandalal
> --- Joseph Dal Molin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>>  > Does this have a GUI interface?
>>
>> That is a very broad question.the answer is not
>> everything in VOE 
>> nor VistA has a GUI interface... the backend
>> components like lab and 
>> pharmacy are role and scroll for the most part
>> but if you are a 
>> provider of care you work in a GUI world.
>>
>> The clinical GUI interface for VOE is primarily
>> CPRS, we are also using 
>> a couple of other components which have their own
>> GUI like document 
>> scanning etc. We have integrated EsiObjects to
>> provide a web browser 
>> patient registration capability.
>>
>> There is no online demo for VOE but you can get a
>> good idea of what it 
>> is like by going to the online demo that the VA has:
>>
>> www.va.gov/cprsdemo
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>>
>> Nandalal Gunaratne wrote:
>>> Does this have a GUI interface? IS there a demo
>> online
>>> to try out?
>>>
>>> Nandalal
>>> --- Joseph Dal Molin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> a couple of important clarifications to
>>>> Bhaskar's post:
>>>>
>>>>  > Please note that this VERSION OF THE software
>> has
>>>> not been field tested.
>>>>
>>>>  this specific version has not been field
>> tested
>>>>
>>>>  > Furthermore, most of the components IN THIS
>>>> VERSION OF VOE were 
>>>> introduced to none of
>>>>  > the usual VistA SDLC (Software Development
>> Life
>>>> Cycle) where packages
>>>>  > and patches of any complexity usually endure a
>>>> number of iterations
>>>>  > between SQA (Software Quality Assurance)
>> reviews,
>>>> field testing and
>>>>  > developer responses.
>>>>
>>>> VOE is currently undergoing completion of SQA
>> using
>>>> the same standards 
>>>> as are used in the VA. This work will be
>> completed
>>>> toward the end of 
>>>> March. WorldVistA has submitted its application
>> to
>>>> certify the software 
>>>> under the CCHIT 2006 criteria...assuming all goes
>>>> well successful 
>>>> certification will be announced in late April or
>>>> very early May.
>>>>
>>>> Joseph
>>>> .
>>>> VOE Program Manager, WorldVistA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> K.S. Bhaskar wrote:
>>>>> VistA Office EHR SemiVivA 2.3.1 (MD5 sum
>>>>> 16a0e6ae1951a512e88d83edd4e254a9) is available
>> for
>>>> downloading from
>>>>> the WorldVistA project page at Source Forge
>>>>> (http://sourceforge.net/projects/worldvista).
>>>>>
>>>>> VistA Office EHR SemiVivA 2.3.1 packages the
>>>> release of VistA Office
>>>>> EHR 2.3.1 as made available at the VistA Office
>>>> EHR project page at
>>>>> Source Forge
>>>> (http://sourceforge.net/projects/vista-officeehr)
>> on
>>>>> January 31, 2007.  Nancy Anthracite configured
>> the
>>>> settings for it to
>>>>> run on GT.M, and provided the CPRS and Vitals
>>>> executables (for
>>>>> Windows).  An access code of VistAis#1 and
>> verify
>>>> code of #1isVistA
>>>>> will work for CPRS to connect.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please note that this software has not been
>> field
>>>> tested.
>>>>> Furthermore, most of the components for VOE were
>>>> introduced to none of
>>>>> the usual VistA SDLC (Software Development Life
>>>> Cycle) where packages
>>>>> and patches of any complexity usually endure a
>>>> number of iterations
>>>>> between SQA (Software Quality Assurance)
>> reviews,
>>>> field testing and
>>>>> developer responses.  This software is intended
>>>> for evaluation /
>>>>> demonstration purposes.  You take all
>>>> responsibility f

Re: [openhealth] VistA Office EHR SemiVivA 2.3.1 released

[Joseph Dal Molin]

 > Does this have a GUI interface?

That is a very broad question.the answer is not everything in VOE 
nor VistA has a GUI interface... the backend components like lab and 
pharmacy are role and scroll for the most part but if you are a 
provider of care you work in a GUI world.

The clinical GUI interface for VOE is primarily CPRS, we are also using 
a couple of other components which have their own GUI like document 
scanning etc. We have integrated EsiObjects to provide a web browser 
patient registration capability.

There is no online demo for VOE but you can get a good idea of what it 
is like by going to the online demo that the VA has:

www.va.gov/cprsdemo

Joseph


Nandalal Gunaratne wrote:
> Does this have a GUI interface? IS there a demo online
> to try out?
> 
> Nandalal
> --- Joseph Dal Molin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> a couple of important clarifications to
>> Bhaskar's post:
>>
>>  > Please note that this VERSION OF THE software has
>> not been field tested.
>>
>>  this specific version has not been field tested
>>
>>
>>  > Furthermore, most of the components IN THIS
>> VERSION OF VOE were 
>> introduced to none of
>>  > the usual VistA SDLC (Software Development Life
>> Cycle) where packages
>>  > and patches of any complexity usually endure a
>> number of iterations
>>  > between SQA (Software Quality Assurance) reviews,
>> field testing and
>>  > developer responses.
>>
>> VOE is currently undergoing completion of SQA using
>> the same standards 
>> as are used in the VA. This work will be completed
>> toward the end of 
>> March. WorldVistA has submitted its application to
>> certify the software 
>> under the CCHIT 2006 criteria...assuming all goes
>> well successful 
>> certification will be announced in late April or
>> very early May.
>>
>> Joseph
>> .
>> VOE Program Manager, WorldVistA
>>
>>
>> K.S. Bhaskar wrote:
>>> VistA Office EHR SemiVivA 2.3.1 (MD5 sum
>>> 16a0e6ae1951a512e88d83edd4e254a9) is available for
>> downloading from
>>> the WorldVistA project page at Source Forge
>>> (http://sourceforge.net/projects/worldvista).
>>>
>>> VistA Office EHR SemiVivA 2.3.1 packages the
>> release of VistA Office
>>> EHR 2.3.1 as made available at the VistA Office
>> EHR project page at
>>> Source Forge
>> (http://sourceforge.net/projects/vista-officeehr) on
>>> January 31, 2007.  Nancy Anthracite configured the
>> settings for it to
>>> run on GT.M, and provided the CPRS and Vitals
>> executables (for
>>> Windows).  An access code of VistAis#1 and verify
>> code of #1isVistA
>>> will work for CPRS to connect.
>>>
>>> Please note that this software has not been field
>> tested.
>>> Furthermore, most of the components for VOE were
>> introduced to none of
>>> the usual VistA SDLC (Software Development Life
>> Cycle) where packages
>>> and patches of any complexity usually endure a
>> number of iterations
>>> between SQA (Software Quality Assurance) reviews,
>> field testing and
>>> developer responses.  This software is intended
>> for evaluation /
>>> demonstration purposes.  You take all
>> responsibility for using it.
>>> This SemiViVA package is bundled with GT.M
>> V5.2-000, as available
>>> under the GNU General Public License from the GT.M
>> project page at
>>> Source Forge
>> (http://sourceforge.net/projects/sanchez-gtm). A
>> SemiVivA
>>> package is a one-step install of VistA and GT.M on
>> a Linux machine.
>>> Assuming the file has been downloaded as
>>> /Distrib/VistAOfficeEHRSemiVivA_2.3.1.tgz, to
>> install on your Linux
>>> PC, execute the following, as root:
>>>
>>> cd /usr/local
>>> tar zxvf /Distrib/VistAOfficeEHRSemiVivA_2.3.1.tgz
>>>
>>> This will create new directories
>> /usr/local/VistAOfficeEHR_2.3.1 and
>>> /usr/local/gtm_V5.2-000. Please note that this
>> will overwrite any
>>> directories or symbolic links you have with those
>> names. You may wish
>>> to replace your symbolic links with new ones
>> (i.e., the following is
>>> optional; also to be executed as root in
>> /usr/local):
>>> rm gtm ; ln -s gtm_V5.2-000 gtm
>>> rm VistAOfficeEHR ; ln -s VistAOfficeEHR_2.3.1
>> VistAOfficeEHR
>>> To use it, you will need to create a working
>> environment (see
>>&

Re: [openhealth] VistA Office EHR SemiVivA 2.3.1 released

[Joseph Dal Molin]

VOE like VistA has always had lab interfacing capabilitythe VA uses 
Labcorp and I think Questbut out of the box interfacing requires 
investing the time and money to make it work and the Beta process left 
that up to the sites and their vendors to accomplish. The beta test 
process followed a very "laissez faire" model and it was up to 
vendor/client to negotiate and fund what was configured or 
integrated unfortunately expectations in some case were not set 
accurately... and as a consequence we did lose a couple of sites.

Having said thatwe recognized the challenges of using "vanilla" 
VistA lab interfacing to satisfy CCHIT certification and in  meeting the 
needs of the target market for VOEso in parallel to the Beta testing 
a more generic approach was developed for interfacing using the Mirth 
integration engine. This enhancement will be part of VOE and is going 
through final quality assurance.

Joseph

Daniel L. Johnson wrote:
> For your info, the word at the American Health Quality Assn meeting in
> N. Orleans next week was, "The lack of a lab interface torpedoed
> deployment of Vista Office at some of our (CMS) beta sites." 
> 
> Dan Johnson
> 
> On Thu, 2007-02-22 at 10:59 -0500, K.S. Bhaskar wrote:
>> VistA Office EHR SemiVivA 2.3.1 (MD5 sum
>> 16a0e6ae1951a512e88d83edd4e254a9) is available for downloading from
>> the WorldVistA project page at Source Forge
>> (http://sourceforge.net/projects/worldvista).
>>
>> VistA Office EHR SemiVivA 2.3.1 packages the release of VistA Office
>> EHR 2.3.1 as made available at the VistA Office EHR project page at
>> Source Forge (http://sourceforge.net/projects/vista-officeehr) on
>> January 31, 2007. Nancy Anthracite configured the settings for it to
>> run on GT.M, and provided the CPRS and Vitals executables (for
>> Windows). An access code of VistAis#1 and verify code of #1isVistA
>> will work for CPRS to connect.
>>
>> Please note that this software has not been field tested.
>> Furthermore, most of the components for VOE were introduced to none of
>> the usual VistA SDLC (Software Development Life Cycle) where packages
>> and patches of any complexity usually endure a number of iterations
>> between SQA (Software Quality Assurance) reviews, field testing and
>> developer responses. This software is intended for evaluation /
>> demonstration purposes. You take all responsibility for using it.
>>
>> This SemiViVA package is bundled with GT.M V5.2-000, as available
>> under the GNU General Public License from the GT.M project page at
>> Source Forge (http://sourceforge.net/projects/sanchez-gtm). A SemiVivA
>> package is a one-step install of VistA and GT.M on a Linux machine.
>>
>> Assuming the file has been downloaded as
>> /Distrib/VistAOfficeEHRSemiVivA_2.3.1.tgz, to install on your Linux
>> PC, execute the following, as root:
>>
>> cd /usr/local
>> tar zxvf /Distrib/VistAOfficeEHRSemiVivA_2.3.1.tgz
>>
>> This will create new directories /usr/local/VistAOfficeEHR_2.3.1 and
>> /usr/local/gtm_V5.2-000. Please note that this will overwrite any
>> directories or symbolic links you have with those names. You may wish
>> to replace your symbolic links with new ones (i.e., the following is
>> optional; also to be executed as root in /usr/local):
>>
>> rm gtm ; ln -s gtm_V5.2-000 gtm
>> rm VistAOfficeEHR ; ln -s VistAOfficeEHR_2.3.1 VistAOfficeEHR
>>
>> To use it, you will need to create a working environment (see
>> http://tinyurl.com/738jk for details). To create an environment in
>> ~/myVistAOfficeEHR (the choice of directory name is entirely yours),
>> as a normal user, execute:
>>
>> /usr/local/VistAOfficeEHR_2.3.1/install ~/myVistAOfficeEHR
>>
>> Subsequently, to get to an interactive mode GT.M prompt in that
>> environment, execute:
>>
>> ~/myVistAOfficeEHR/gtm_V5.2-000/run
>>
>> To run entryref ABC^DEF in that environment, execute:
>>
>> ~/myVistAOfficeEHR/gtm_V5.2-000/run ABC^DEF
>>
>> To get a CPRS GUI to connect to the environment in ~/myVistAOfficeEHR,
>> you should set up inetd/xinetd to execute
>> ~/myVistAOfficeEHR/gtm_V5.2-000/cprs_direct in response to a
>> connection request. If you have set up inetd/xinetd to listen at port
>> P, then use "CPRSChart s=SYSTEM p=P CCOW=DISABLE" where SYSTEM is the
>> name or IP address of the VistA server.
>>
>> Please post questions, comments & issues on the hardhats list
>> (http://groups.google.com/group/hardhats)
>>
>> K.S. Bhaskar
>>
>>
>>
>>  
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Re: [openhealth] VistA Office EHR SemiVivA 2.3.1 released

[Joseph Dal Molin]

a couple of important clarifications to Bhaskar's post:

 > Please note that this VERSION OF THE software has not been field tested.

 this specific version has not been field tested


 > Furthermore, most of the components IN THIS VERSION OF VOE were 
introduced to none of
 > the usual VistA SDLC (Software Development Life Cycle) where packages
 > and patches of any complexity usually endure a number of iterations
 > between SQA (Software Quality Assurance) reviews, field testing and
 > developer responses.

VOE is currently undergoing completion of SQA using the same standards 
as are used in the VA. This work will be completed toward the end of 
March. WorldVistA has submitted its application to certify the software 
under the CCHIT 2006 criteria...assuming all goes well successful 
certification will be announced in late April or very early May.

Joseph
.
VOE Program Manager, WorldVistA


K.S. Bhaskar wrote:
> VistA Office EHR SemiVivA 2.3.1 (MD5 sum
> 16a0e6ae1951a512e88d83edd4e254a9) is available for downloading from
> the WorldVistA project page at Source Forge
> (http://sourceforge.net/projects/worldvista).
> 
> VistA Office EHR SemiVivA 2.3.1 packages the release of VistA Office
> EHR 2.3.1 as made available at the VistA Office EHR project page at
> Source Forge (http://sourceforge.net/projects/vista-officeehr) on
> January 31, 2007.  Nancy Anthracite configured the settings for it to
> run on GT.M, and provided the CPRS and Vitals executables (for
> Windows).  An access code of VistAis#1 and verify code of #1isVistA
> will work for CPRS to connect.
> 
> Please note that this software has not been field tested.
> Furthermore, most of the components for VOE were introduced to none of
> the usual VistA SDLC (Software Development Life Cycle) where packages
> and patches of any complexity usually endure a number of iterations
> between SQA (Software Quality Assurance) reviews, field testing and
> developer responses.  This software is intended for evaluation /
> demonstration purposes.  You take all responsibility for using it.
> 
> This SemiViVA package is bundled with GT.M V5.2-000, as available
> under the GNU General Public License from the GT.M project page at
> Source Forge (http://sourceforge.net/projects/sanchez-gtm). A SemiVivA
> package is a one-step install of VistA and GT.M on a Linux machine.
> 
> Assuming the file has been downloaded as
> /Distrib/VistAOfficeEHRSemiVivA_2.3.1.tgz, to install on your Linux
> PC, execute the following, as root:
> 
> cd /usr/local
> tar zxvf /Distrib/VistAOfficeEHRSemiVivA_2.3.1.tgz
> 
> This will create new directories /usr/local/VistAOfficeEHR_2.3.1 and
> /usr/local/gtm_V5.2-000. Please note that this will overwrite any
> directories or symbolic links you have with those names. You may wish
> to replace your symbolic links with new ones (i.e., the following is
> optional; also to be executed as root in /usr/local):
> 
> rm gtm ; ln -s gtm_V5.2-000 gtm
> rm VistAOfficeEHR ; ln -s VistAOfficeEHR_2.3.1 VistAOfficeEHR
> 
> To use it, you will need to create a working environment (see
> http://tinyurl.com/738jk for details). To create an environment in
> ~/myVistAOfficeEHR (the choice of directory name is entirely yours),
> as a normal user, execute:
> 
> /usr/local/VistAOfficeEHR_2.3.1/install ~/myVistAOfficeEHR
> 
> Subsequently, to get to an interactive mode GT.M prompt in that
> environment, execute:
> 
> ~/myVistAOfficeEHR/gtm_V5.2-000/run
> 
> To run entryref ABC^DEF in that environment, execute:
> 
> ~/myVistAOfficeEHR/gtm_V5.2-000/run ABC^DEF
> 
> To get a CPRS GUI to connect to the environment in ~/myVistAOfficeEHR,
> you should set up inetd/xinetd to execute
> ~/myVistAOfficeEHR/gtm_V5.2-000/cprs_direct in response to a
> connection request.  If you have set up inetd/xinetd to listen at port
> P, then use "CPRSChart s=SYSTEM p=P CCOW=DISABLE" where SYSTEM is the
> name or IP address of the VistA server.
> 
> Please post questions, comments & issues on the hardhats list
> (http://groups.google.com/group/hardhats)
> 
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> 
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Re: [openhealth] Introduction

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Ime,

If you haven't already this is a good group for content related work:

HIF-net: working together to improve access to reliable information for 
healthcare providers in developing and transitional countries. Send list 
messages to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. To join or leave the list, send an 
email to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. If joining, please include name, 
organization, country, and brief description of professional interests. 
Archive at:  http://www.dgroups.org/groups/HIF-net/

asangansi wrote:
> Hello Friends,
> 
> I'm happy to be allowed into the group. I never knew of such a 
> group...google doesnt seem to pick the yahoo groups?
> 
> I am an informatician with a clinical background (MBBS). I live and 
> work in Nigeria. I believe in the open source principle and I think 
> it is great to be with other people who share this belief.
> 
> However, the digital divide is so enormous in subsaharan Africa and 
> some other developing countries, that the presence of open source is 
> only beginning to make some impact. Many of the open source wares 
> require a great deal of IT knowledge. For example, installing and 
> configuring openMRS can be an ordeal.
> 
> Most IT professionals do not find the health field attractive. So, 
> the onus many times lies on the health worker/informatician.
> 
> Most of my work has been on studying the factors that influence IT 
> adoption in health and health workers use of IT. How can we open 
> this bridging field of informatics to the common health worker?
> 
> Recently (a week ago), we set up a wiki at www.wiki.ehealthpedia.org 
> to help co-ordinate efforts and leverage collaboration for open 
> content for health informatics.
>  
> I would like to invite members of this open community to support 
> this knowledge-for-development approach by contributing ideas and 
> materials to the wiki.
> 
> Another related idea is to see how business models based on open-
> source/open-content can be leveraged on such collaborative platforms.
> 
> Cheers,
> Dr Ime Asangansi
> 
> Contibute to www.wiki.ehealthpedia.org
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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Re: Open source OCR (was Re: [openhealth] Re: Hi folks..)

[Joseph Dal Molin]

UCLA had developed a very good scanning OCR solution . but I don't 
think it was pure FOSS will ask.

Joseph

Tim Churches wrote:
> Tim Churches wrote:
>> Karsten Hilbert wrote:
>>> Well, the path of least resistance here is to scan it and
>>> use it as a background image in some text editor or other so
>>> that what you type appears to be written into the fields
>>> while it is (technically) written on top of the background
>>> image. We then save the result as any other old document
>>> tied into the medical record.
>> No, we need the data in computable form for epidemiological (aggregate)
>> analysis - images of numbers nd characters must be converted to ASCII or
>> Unicode bytes. There is a commercial product, Teleform, which does this
>> reasonably well - see
>> http://www.cardiff.com/products/teleform/index.html - and we may just
>> provide an interface which can load data which has been scanned off
>> hand-written forms using that, but gee, an open source solution would be
>> nice. Suggestions very welcome.
> 
> A few months ago Google released Tesseract OCR, an oCR engine developed
> in the 1990s by Hewlett-Packard. Apparently it was state-of-the-art in
> 1995, but that's over a decade ago, and has not been developed since.
> There don't seem to be any other open source OCR engines around that are
> being actively developed or which are anything more than demos or
> proofs-of-concept. And Teleform seems to have the OCR-from-paper-forms
> market almost to themselves. I think we'll have to build a batch input
> interface that Teleform can be plugged into - I think it exports to XML,
> or at the very least CSV files.
> 
> But if anyone can suggest an alternative for turning data recorded on
> paper forms into data (as opposed to raster image) files, we'd love to
> hear of it.
> 
> Tim C
> 
> 
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Holding the Vision While Achieving Practical Integration/Interoperability Today (was) Re: [openhealth] Re: Hi folks..

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Open source efforts/software like OpenMRS, WorldVistA (VistA Office 
etc.), OSCAR etc. that are focused on diffusion/uptake and continuous 
improvement. All need to have practical tools methods etc. to work 
effectively in the heterogeneous health IT ecosystem. Building on Tim's 
view:

 >> I believe that with a modest upfront investment one can go a long way
 >> toward interoperability.  The
 >> open source community should be leading in this area, because of the
 >> increased cooperation.

What would that modest investment be? Who would be willing to 
collaborate to make it happen? How does a practical approach dance 
effectively with and benefit from the vision/work of the 
"interoperability" expert community?  How can we leverage the OSHCA 
meeting in May to help the open source health community take the 
leadership role?


Joseph


Will Ross wrote:
> What a wonderful discussion.   I am so glad to have Regenstrief's  
> OpenMRS at the table!   I also know there are other lurkers out there  
> (you know who you are!) who can add to the robust discussion.  But my  
> purpose here is to highlight one point.   Paul, Dave and Tim have all  
> mentioned not allowing the pursuit of "perfect" semantic  
> interoperability to interfere with simple incremental improvements  
> that can be realized immediately.   This is in fact one of the  
> hallmarks of the decades of dramatic real-world demonstrations that  
> Regenstrief has brought to central Indiana.   And it is the central  
> tenet of the Connecting For Health (USA version) effort to make  
> records portable and electronic without requiring a rip and replace  
> changeout of all legacy health record systems.   And it was one of  
> the key points in Andy Grove's "Shift Left" address at Stanford this  
> past november.
> 
>http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/2006/november8/med- 
> grove-110806.html
> 
> But we all know this is a marathon, not a sprint.   This year's TEPR  
> conference is the 23rd annual meeting devoted to the immanent  
> transition from paper to digital charting.
> 
>http://www.medrecinst.com/conference/tepr/index.asp
> 
> Meanwhile, in my rural region of California, 2007 may be the year we  
> see adoption of EHR rise above 10% among small practices.   The  
> arrival of new FOSS projects like OpenMRS can only help improve our  
> rate of adoption.
> 
> With best regards,
> 
> [wr]
> 
> - - - - - - - -
> 
> On Feb 17, 2007, at 9:24 PM, David Forslund wrote:
> 
>> Tim Churches wrote:
>>> David Forslund wrote:
>>>
 I've seen no real
 effort in the open source community to embrace interoperability.
 Certainly interoperability has
 been opposed by much of industry until recently, but there is no  
 good
 reason for the open source community to not embrace it.

>>> Dave, interoperability, although good in theory, is not an end in
>>> itself. Thus you have to ask the question: in the settings in  
>>> which open
>>> source health information systems are or are likely to be  
>>> deployed, what
>>> are the "business drivers" or the "business case" for  
>>> interoperability,
>>> and what sort of interoperability?
>>>
>>> Thus, although there is indeed no good reason not to embrace
>>> interoperability, there may be, in many open source deployment  
>>> settings,
>>> no good reason to embrace it, either, given that supporting
>>> interoperability is not without some cost.
>>>
>> I agree with you, with a caveat.  If you plan for interoperability,  
>> the
>> cost isn't very high. Adding it
>> later is much more expensive.  For the patient, the value of
>> interoperability is very high.  Clearly
>> for implementers, the demand for interoperability is not high since it
>> might take away from the
>> local business model.
>>> For example, the COAS specs document is 260 pages long, but if you  
>>> go to
>>> the "Interoperation" chapter in it, it refers you to four other CORBA
>>> specifications, each also several hundred pages long, which need  
>>> to be
>>> assimilated first. So that's a thousand pages. And that's even before
>>> one works out how to implement all this. That's the cost. So unless
>>> there are strong reasons to do this, in the always-resource- 
>>> constrained
>>> world of open source development, it is no wonder it is hardly ever
>>> implemented.
>>>
>> Have you tried to read WS-Services documentation?  It is far more
>> complex than the CORBA specs.
>> Clearly the OMG specs requires an implementer to understand something
>> about CORBA and IDL,
>> but these have been available in book stores for years and there are
>> numerous free implementations
>> around with voluminous tutorials. The discipline of having well- 
>> defined
>> interfaces between services
>> is well worth the time invested to understand them.  You don't have to
>> read all of CORBA to understand
>> the value of COAS.  The UML models contained should go a long way to
>> helping you see the value
>> of the approach and ado

Re: [openhealth] EFMI WG event in Maasricht, August 29

[Joseph Dal Molin]

This is excellent newslooking forward to hearing how this unfolds.

Joseph

peter907176 wrote:
> 
> 
> Apologies for the late notice on this, but some people may be going to
> MIE2006 and be interested in attending.
> 
> EFMI (the European Federation for Medical Informatics) approved
> earlier in the year the establishment of a Working Group dealing with
> free/libre and open source software in health/informatics. The formal
> launch of the WG will be at a workshop at MIE2006 (www.mie2006.org) in
> Maastricht, Netherlands on August 29 (09:00 - 11:30 for those attending).
> 
> We will be discussing the precise remit of the group, in particular
> the European focus and how it relates to all other existing groups
> (IMIA WG, AMIA WG, the reviving OSHCA, etc etc).
> 
> Anyone interested who will be at MIE2006 is welcome to attend.
> 
> BTW - for information, in relation to other WGs - as of June 2006:
> 1. Prof. Graham Wright is Chair of the IMIA Open Source Health
> Informatics Working Group; Dr Jan Vejvalka remains as co-chair.
> 2. Karl Øyri is Chair of the IMIA-NI OSNI (Open Source Nursing
> Informatics) Working Group.
> 3. Dr Peter Murray is IMIA Vice President for Working Groups and
> Special Interest Groups, so has stepped down from chairing/co-chairing
> the IMIA groups.
> 
> Cheers, Peter Murray



 
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[openhealth] Linuxworld Healthcare Day presentations

[Joseph Dal Molin]

FYI

http://osdl.org/wiki/dcl_health_care_day/index.php/Main_Page


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Re: [openhealth] Re: VistA GUI licencing

[Joseph Dal Molin]

The source code for CPRSchart is public domainto modify and 
recompile you need an appropriate copy of Delphi.

Joseph

> I'm uncertain why the assertion is made that CPRSChart.exe is under a
> different copyright, and I don't have a specific pointer to its
> licencing. If it is not public domain software, can a pointer to its
> actual licence be provided, please?
> 
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Re: [openhealth] VistA Office as 'open' EHR software

[Joseph Dal Molin]

thanks Tim

 > The information you gave us in this email isn't really on the worldvista
 > web site. At least not in a manner I could piece together. If that info
 > could be massaged into a roadmap of sorts others might find it 
helpful too.
 >

...great idea, and well timedit is something we definitely will do

Joseph

Tim Cook wrote:
> 
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> Joseph Dal Molin wrote:
>  > Hopefully the following facts about VistA and VistA-Office (VOE) will
>  > set the record straight about their claim to "openness":
>  >
> 
> Thanks for that Joseph. Your explanations as well as a review of the
> press releases at WorldVista.org (esp.
> http://www.codeweavers.com/about/general/press/?id=20060220 
> <http://www.codeweavers.com/about/general/press/?id=20060220> ) puts an
> entirely different face on the future of VOE. It seems that (IMHO)
> WorldVista is doing a great job of "managing" the process of CMS and
> others learning about FLOSS and actual opening up the development. This
> has probably been a big effort esp w/regards to IFMC. Hats off to you.
> 
> The information you gave us in this email isn't really on the worldvista
> web site. At least not in a manner I could piece together. If that info
> could be massaged into a roadmap of sorts others might find it helpful too.
> 
> Cheers,
> Tim
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Re: [openhealth] VistA Office as 'open' EHR software

[Joseph Dal Molin]

of this being a "best hope" is certainly misleading and I would
> like to know what facts you base that assertion on. There are other EMR
> applications that from all appearances are being supported rather
> successfully by dependable vendors. The best part is that they already
> are open source, sustainable and experiencing incremental improvements
> through customer funded desires. No "softening" needed.
> 
>  > There's been considerable softening of the
>  > government position on use and sharing of VistA code, and so we all need
>  > to continue to encourage CMS (the agency formerly known as HCFA) to
>  > permit open, collaborative development on the VistA-Office code, and to
>  > support its use and propagation on open-source platforms.
> 
> So for those that knowwho is the PERSON that we should "encourage
> (within) CMS"? Pointing to a shapeless, soulless bureaucracy is not
> very helpful.
> 
>  > A year ago, I had forged an initiative by the Wisconsin QIO ("Quality
>  > Improvement Organization") to fund development of VistA-Office on Linux,
>  > and distribution, but we were prohibited by CMS from proceeding.
>  >
> 
> That doesn't bode well for community supported, sustainable software now
> does it?
> 
>  > Joseph Dal Molin was then awarded a contract by CMS to develop "vendor
>  > training" for VistA Office, and anyone who wants to form a company to
>  > support this "open" VistA Office is welcome to work with Joseph to help
>  > make this truly OS and collaborative. Anyone who could do so, should.
>  > Otherwise, don't complain.
> 
> The same can be said for end-users that constantly complain that they
> don't have an open source EMR when in fact there are several available
> if they were to make a decision to implement one and get on with it. In
> fact, this is even an easier solution than forming a company based on
> supporting a proprietary MUMPS based EMR. Implementing an EMR is a
> painful process for the end-user, but essentially the same process no
> matter which one is chosen. Building a business supporting a proprietary
> EMR (defined as one where you do not have access to inspect the source
> code and participate in the ongoing design and development) would be a
> much greater financial risk. IMHO of course.
> 
>  > In any case, VistA Office is committed to remaining code-compatible with
>  > the official VA system VistA,
> 
> So then there will only be one VistA? IF not ... What are the
> differences? Why the different name?
> 
> and the VA is not currently willing to
>  > subject its code to free and open collaborative development
> 
> Ok.
> 
> - -- so
>  > collaboration on VistA Office will have to occur in the presentation
>  > layer.
> 
> So are you saying that someone (outside the VA) has or will start and
> run an open source VistA-Office presentation project? I would be
> interested in hearing your sustainability model for that. Certainly
> would be difficult to build a support business on it since any end-user
> willing to use a proprietary EMR would just as likely chose the
> proprietary presentation.
> 
>  > This is not an entirely bad thing;
> ...and what part of that is not a "bad thing" for people that want to
> use and support open source software?
> 
> and if that develops, my
>  > guess is that useful pressure could be put on the VA to crack open a
>  > bit.
> If what develops? I didn't understand the context of that phrase.
> 
>  > Dan Johnson, md
>  > (open-source EHR fan,
> 
> Hm, I would question the veracity of that characterization based on
> this email.
> 
> QIO trustee,
> 
> Very nice.
> 
> simple backwoods internist)
>  >
> 
> self-deprecation is seldom flattering.
> 
> Cheers,
> Tim
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Re: [openhealth] Registration for VistA Community Meeting

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Karl,

The service you are describing is being provided by State or regional 
Quality Improvement Organizations (QIO) which are funded by CMS.

VistA-Office EHR provides full DOQ-IT capability and is open source. The 
person you spoke to may not have mentioned it because it is not 
officially released yet. The VOE project is funded by CMS... you can 
find out more here: www.vista-office.org

Regards,

Joseph

karl hafner wrote:
> 
> 
> There is an initiative in NYS where medicare is paying to have someone
> come in and evaluate your practice
> and then adivse you of what your EMR options are. I was spoken to the
> other day. I asked if they had
> any open source software envolved. There answer was no. They would be
> happy to talk with anyone so
> that they could be included. The initiative is called DOQ-IT. To be
> eligible your software must be able to
> do quality monitoring etc. Is anybody aware of this? It looks like a
> good opportunity to get your name and
> programs out there. Karl Hafner
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Re: [openhealth] Re: OSHCA

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Philippe,

The country of incorporation for OSHCA is Malaysia not Indonesia. :-)

Joseph

Philippe AMELINE wrote:
> Hi to all,
> 
> I must confess I feel not at ease with current situation.
> 
> The choice of Indonesia as an incorporation country has been a political
> choice: to show that open/libre software is an opportunity for all
> country, whatever their development level.
> 
> Nandalal is very right when he says that the population is not the
> government, however, Indonesia can appear as quite extreme in the domain
> of military violence (remember the recent massacres in East Timor), of
> massive corruption and of human rights violation.
> 
> David could have remember all this earlier... however, I think that Tim
> is taking David's problem much too lightly (no problem... just have 2
> lists). My opinion is that if, do to the choice of the incorporation
> country, we let a single person behind, it means that the choice of this
> country is a mistake.
> 
> Don't expect to let the political matters outside Oshca... if David is
> out, it means they are already in, and it is a deadly poison. Better
> really address this issue as early and honestly as possible.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Philippe
> 
> Tim.Churches a écrit :
> 
>  >David Forslund wrote:
>  > 
>  >
>  >>I apologize for bringing this up, but it does affect my relationship
>  >>with OSHCA
>  >>since it is being incorporated in Malaysia.  I will be unable to support
>  >>OSHCA
>  >>in Malaysia because of the politics/human rights issues I see happening
>  >>in that country.
>  >>   
>  >>
>  >
>  >I am sorry that you feel that way, Dave. However, it is your call and I
>  >don't think it is productive or wise to try to change your mind.
>  >
>  >We will have a separate OSHCA mailing list established very shortly
>  >which will handle all OSHCA business, and this openhealth list can be
>  >devoted purely to more general health informatics issues. I hope you
>  >will continue to participate in the openhealth list, because your
>  >technical expertise is greatly valued.
>  >
>  >Tim C
>  >
>  > 
>  >
>  >>K.S. Bhaskar wrote:
>  >> > Please, let's keep the discussion on this mailing list focused on
>  >> > Free/Libré and Open Source Software (with a broad interpretation of
>  >> > software, so discussion of ICD codes and OSHCA incorporation are 
> within
>  >> > the scope of the group) as it pertains to healthcare.  There are 
> plenty
>  >> > of other forums for other topics.
>  >> >
>  >> > Thank you very much.
>  >> >
>  >> > Regards
>  >> > -- Bhaskar
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[openhealth] [Fwd: [Hardhats-members] JBoss and Tomcat]

[Joseph Dal Molin]

perhaps there is someone on this list that might be interested in 
helping Nancy out

Joseph

 Original Message 
Subject: [Hardhats-members] JBoss and Tomcat
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 23:20:38 -0400
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If there is anyone out there with JBoss and Tomcat experience that might be
interested in a little collaborative volunteer work with VistA, no M
programming experience necessary, please send me some contact 
information so
we can discuss it.

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[openhealth] [Fwd: [hif-net] Announcing the launch of PLoS Clinical Trials]

[Joseph Dal Molin]

FYI

 Original Message 
Subject: [hif-net] Announcing the launch of PLoS Clinical Trials
Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 06:55:22 -0400
From: Emma Veitch, UK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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    Announcing the launch of PLoS Clinical Trials
*

PLoS Clinical Trials, the newest journal from the Public Library of
Science, has now launched and is available to all at
www.plosclinicaltrials.org. The journal is devoted to peer-reviewing and
publishing reports of randomized trials in all areas of medicine and
public health. As an open-access journal, all content is freely
available to all, worldwide, to read, download, copy, distribute, and
reuse, provided the authors and original source are attributed. Content
can be printed and distributed freely to anyone without an internet
connection.

Please take a look at the articles published in our launch collection at
http://www.plosclinicaltrials.org. PLoS Clinical Trials publishes the
results of randomized trials in humans from all areas of healthcare. In
order to maximize the number of trials whose results are available in
the public domain, publication decisions are not affected by the
direction of results, size or perceived importance of the trial. We
therefore aim to build an evidence base that is not biased by the
inclusion of only positive findings.

Readers can sign up for e-mail alerts at
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paper at http://clinicaltrials.plosjms.org/. We are particularly keen to
receive papers from triallists in developing countries.

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to anyone to read or distribute.

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Re: [openhealth] Beyond standards.

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Thank you for sharing this Thomasit is brilliant...being able to 
articulate the advantages of open source in a "sales" scenario as 
clearly as you have in this example is of tremendous value.

Joseph

Thomas Beale wrote:

> But in the end the argument that they understood was this:
> - every piece of software has a total cost over its lifetime. It is 
> commonly accepted that the build cost to first deployment is roughly 30% 
> and that the cost of maintenance and enhancement over the remaining life 
> of the product is 70% (obviously this varies but it's a pretty common 
> figure given in the literature).
> - so you (the customer) are paying for 30% of the total cost, upfront 
> for a generic component.
> - we (the builder) pick up 70% of the cost, in an incremental ongoing 
> fashion.
> - You get free access for the life of the product.
> 
> Now, if we just charge reasonable contracting rates to get the thing 
> built, the price the customer pays is the price of building it. But what 
> they get is a lifetime of use, including all updates, upgrades etc etc.
> 
> This is all obvious to people on this list, but not to most corporate 
> customers. I don't know if this particular way of justifying open source 
> in contracts is commonly used or described in the open source 
> literature, but for convincing hard-nosed businesses who are most 
> interested in monetary arguments, it works quite well.
> 
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Re: [openhealth] Re: Nationalized Medicine was: article re IBM and others contributing open source epi and other

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Tommy Thompson was quoted on this subject today (he must be a subscriber 
to openhealth):

"Even though American health care is the best in the world, said 
Thompson, he predicts the health care system will collapse about 2013. 
"The first reason is that we spend about 16 percent of our GDP on health 
care, while other countries spend from four to 11 percent. Japan spends 
7 percent. We spend a lot more than any other country." And, he said, by 
2013 we'll double the expenditures; from $2 trillion to $4 trillion -- 
from 16 percent of GDP to 20 percent of GDP."
http://www.govtech.net/magazine/channel_story.php/99517


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> Tim Cook wrote:
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>  > ivhalpc wrote:
>  >
>  > >
>  > > I wonder how this is all going to end and I fear it will end badly as
>  > > in Nationalized medicine in the US
>  >
>  > Would that truly be a bad thing?  I'm not sure how a transition would
>  > work but answer these questions:
> The transition is already underway with Medicare and Medicaid, both of which
> are about to go bankrupt in the US.
>  >
>  > 1) What western country spends the largest portion (by a wide margin) of
>  > GDP on healthcare?
> This, by itself, doesn't mean that healthcare in the US is bad.  It
> might mean the opposite.
>  >
>  > 2) What western country has the largest percentage of citizens without
>  > healthcare?
> Do you have any idea what the percentage of citizens in the US is
> without healthcare
> coverage?   The main stream media  and some politicos grossly
> misrepresent this
> number.  The fact is that healthcare for those that need it in the US
> can't be denied.
> The type of coverage isn't the same for everyone, but essentially
> everyone has coverage
> of some sort.  People may not have signed up for it, but, in fact, may
> have coverage.
> Take a look at the sign in every ER room in America, e.g.
> 
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[openhealth] Announcing the 13th VistA Community Conference - June 29th to Sunday, July 2nd, 2006

[Joseph Dal Molin]

WorldVistA is delighted to announce the 13th VistA Community Conference, 
to be held from Thursday, June 29th to Sunday, July 2nd, 2006 at Robert 
Morris University, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

The theme for this meeting is: “Building sustainable, global, 
collaborative development of VistA”, exploring the interrelated issues of:

1. Community and Business Development: how do we grow the community of 
WorldVista EHR™ adopters and developers. Topics will include the 
organizational and governance framework, funding, education and 
training, capacity building, technology transfer, Open Source licensing 
and business models.

2. Software Development: how do we coordinate an open source development 
on this scale. Topics will include the technical and quality management 
framework for managing the software lifecycle, preventing code forking, 
software licensing, current and planned developments, VistA 
interoperability (with other systems), VistA and Health informatics 
standards, and the evolution of VistA architecture & technology.

These topics will be explored from the perspective of End Users, 
Software Developers, Vendors and Educators. The meeting includes an 
optional one day MUMPS training course, tutorials and VistA 
demonstrations. During the course of the meeting attendees will be 
provided the opportunity to install VistA on their personal computers.

For more information and to register for the event please go to: 
http://www.worldvista.org/Event_Calendar/

Early registration is advised as the number of attendees will be limited 
by the accommodation available.
WorldVistA would like to thank Robert Morris University for supporting 
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Re: [openhealth] Standards -- more questions

[Joseph Dal Molin]

...some thoughts...

What would standardizing on ICD-10 mean in the context of  an 
organization such as OSHCA  given the reality the heterogenous landscape 
of ICD adoption... what would this mean in real practice? What would 
this imply for those systems using ICD - 9 for example? Would it be more 
appropriate to support the notion of being able to plug in a standard 
like ICD and use it than only a specific version?

Joseph

Alvin B. Marcelo wrote:
> First thread:
> 
> I propose we standardize on ICD-10 (as a minimum). It's an international 
> standard anyway (albeit
> difficult to use). This of course does not preclude the others from 
> using SNOMED if they can
> afford to do so.
> 
> That being the case, OSHCA can also 'standardize' on the preferred 
> mapping system between SNOMED
> to ICD-10. Any proposals?
> 
> Molly, how do 'sweeping statements' like these get to be approved 
> officially by OSHCA?
> 
> Second thread:
> 
> An interesting insight I got at the last Regional Conference in Open 
> Standards sponsored by NECTEC
> and IOSN in Bangkok (May 2-4) --  an Intel smployee (Danese) emphasized 
> that open standards may
> only be considered open if they can be fully implemented by open source 
> software.
> 
> Any thoughts about that statement? Can we actually call a standard open 
> if there are limitations
> to its implementation by FOSS?
> 
> 
> alvin
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Nandalal Gunaratne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>  >
>  >
>  > "Alvin B. Marcelo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  >  You are quite right. Interoperability depends in turn on the 
> agreement on standards. Coding
>  > systems included.
>  >   
>  >  Unfortunately the best nomenclature coding system is SNOMED-CT which 
> is a proprietary product.
>  > But I am sure the new versions of the ICD system will improve if they 
> are widely used.
>  >   
>  >  Can our group agree on such standards?
>  >   
>  >  Nanda Gunaratne
>  >   
>  >  However, my question to the group is: can there actually be 
> interoperability
>  >  without agreement on coding systems? And if we accept the fact that 
> yes we need to share coding
>  >  systems, what coding systems should these be and why. I believe this 
> is an area where
>  > openhealth
>  >  can greatly contribute by laying down these 'open' standards upon 
> which future interoperabilty
>  > can
>  >  be made more possible.
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[openhealth] OSHCA Voting Results

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Open Source Health Care Alliance (OSHCA)
Voting Results 25/04/2006

The total number of individual votes received were twenty six. Twenty 
four voters voted in favour of all the resolutions. The results of the 
votes are as follows:

Formation of an Organisation

1.1It was resolved that:- This Inaugural Meeting forms Open Source 
Health Care Alliance in accordance with the Societies Act 1966, and the 
Societies Regulations 1984, and all subsequent amendments.

Moved by :  Joseph dal Molin
Seconded by :   Adrian Midgley
Resolution: Passed

1.2It was resolved that:- The above organisation be called Open Source 
Health Care Alliance (hereafter referred to as OSHCA).

Moved by :  Thomas Beale
Seconded by :   Molly Cheah
Resolution: Passed

1.3It was resolved that:- OSHCA shall own "oshca.org" and OSHCA™ which 
was held in trust and to be transferred upon its registration.

Moved by :  Christian Heller
Seconded by :   Wayne Wilson
Resolution: Passed

1.4It was resolved that:- The registered office of this organisation be: 
No: 22 Jalan Perumahan Gurney, 54000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.

Moved by :      Joseph Dal Molin
Seconded by :   Molly Cheah
Resolution: Passed

Election of OSHCA Committee

The following volunteers were received for the Protem Committee of the 
organisation:-

President : Molly Cheah
Deputy President :  Thomas Beale
Secretary :         Joseph Dal Molin
Assistant Secretary :   Juliana Tang
Treasurer : Adrian Midgley

Ordinary Committee Members :
William Lauesen (Africa/Middle East)
Nandalal Gunaratne (Asia)
Katarzyna Heller (Eastern Europe & Central Asia)
Christian Heller (Europe)
John Forman  (Latin America & Caribbean)
Wayne Wilson (North America)
Tim Churches (Oceania)
Honorary Auditors :
K S Bhaskar
Jason Tan Boon Teck

In the absence of any opposition to the above positions,

1.5It was resolved that:- The above persons be duly elected Protem 
Committee of the Open Source Health Care Alliance.

Moved by :  Tim Churches
Seconded by :   Jason Tan Boon Teck
Resolution: Passed

Constitution

A draft constitution, based on the 'Model Society Constitution' supplied 
by the Office of the Registrar of Societies, was tabled by the Protem 
Committee for discussion and adoption.

1.6It was resolved that:- The Constitution, as discussed, amended and to 
be attached to the minutes of this Inaugural Meeting, be presented in 
full for signing by two Office Bearers of OSHCA for submission to the 
Registrar of Societies.

Moved by :  K S Bhaskar
Seconded by :   Nandalal Gunaratne
Resolution: Passed


Registration of the Organisation

1.7It was resolved that:- The Protem President proceed with the 
completion of the registration forms to ensure a temporary registration 
as soon as possible.

Moved by :  William Lauesen
Seconded by :   Katarzyna Heller
Resolution: Passed

Membership Register

1.8It was resolved that:- The Membership Register shall consist of 
membership information as per OSHCA Inauguration Membership Information 
Form, and any other information deemed necessary by the Committee from 
time to time.

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Openhealth Archives? (was) Re: RES: [openhealth] OSHCA - Notion of "founding members"

[Joseph Dal Molin]

I don't recall exactly who suggested the name OSHCA it could well have 
been Tim.there was an online naming contest on the openhealth list 
to choose the nameI know we considered OSHA (Open Source Health 
Alliance)... but the .org was held by the Occupational Health and Safety 
Association. The history and process is all in the archives of the 
previous openhealth list.

  Which brings to mindis there a copy of the mail archives dating 
back to the formation of the openhealth list.I recall an earlier 
message asking Brian if the archive could be downloaded...did this come 
to pass? It will be very helpful to have the archive for many reasons, 
not to mention documenting the history of this community.

Cheers,

Joseph

Nandalal Gunaratne wrote:
> 
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> Joseph Dal Molin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> It was Tim Cook who created the OSHCA moniker
> and Ignacio has played a great part in the
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Re: RES: [openhealth] OSHCA - Notion of "founding members"

[Joseph Dal Molin]

John,

Yes...a wiki page will be great for this so that all the old timers can 
pitch in. The openhealth list actually started in 1998 not long after 
Brian Bray, Dave Scott and I launched Minoru. Brian conceived 
itthere were a couple of press releases if I remember correctly and 
announcements on other lists...then it grew from there. Both the AMIA 
and IMIA working groups were born sometime later...I think around late 
2002 or 2003.

Joseph

John wrote:
> Dear Joseph,
> 
> It would be nice to have this story told in the future OSHCA website (even a
> short version).
> I myself remember being present at an AMIA session a few years ago where I
> believe it was born the ideia of starting the openhealth list ( I may be
> mistaken).
> 
> Regards,
> 
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> Enviada em: quarta-feira, 26 de abril de 2006 09:48
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> Assunto: [openhealth] OSHCA - Notion of "founding members"
> 
> 
> A point or two on the notion of "founding members", for what it is worth:
> 
> There is no "founding member" category of membership in the ROS process
> for incorporating OSHCA...just Associate and Ordinary membersand
> these categories apply after incorporation too.
> 
> If there are founding members for OSHCA at all they are the folks that
> first gave birth to it late 1999, early 2000. A motion to establish
> OSHCA was made on the openhealth list, followed by public discussion and
> a critical mass of consensus established, then the charter was drafted,
> then a very simple registration process took place which consisted of
> reading and agreeing to support the charter and then registering on an
> OSHCA specific listserver.
> 
> I would suggest that the term "incorporation midwives" is a more
> appropriate term for the current scenario :-)
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[openhealth] OSHCA - Notion of "founding members"

[Joseph Dal Molin]

A point or two on the notion of "founding members", for what it is worth:

There is no "founding member" category of membership in the ROS process 
for incorporating OSHCA...just Associate and Ordinary membersand 
these categories apply after incorporation too.

If there are founding members for OSHCA at all they are the folks that 
first gave birth to it late 1999, early 2000. A motion to establish 
OSHCA was made on the openhealth list, followed by public discussion and 
a critical mass of consensus established, then the charter was drafted, 
then a very simple registration process took place which consisted of 
reading and agreeing to support the charter and then registering on an 
OSHCA specific listserver.

I would suggest that the term "incorporation midwives" is a more 
appropriate term for the current scenario :-)

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Re: [openhealth] Re: oshca inaugural meeting - constitution

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Fred,

Nothing is being discardedI am taking minutes.

There is no disadvantage to waiting to register with OSHCA until after 
this "clunky" process for bootstraping incorporation is complete. In 
fact, given the clunky birthing process and concerns raised, it will be 
extremely important for anyone who isn't comfortable with the process, 
constitution or anything else for that matter to join right away and 
contribute to improving the constitution etc. and ensuring that a 
collaborative, democratic process is followed. If it isn't we can as 
Nandal has said vote with our feet and leave the organization. I 
certainly will not hesitate to resign whatever post I have, if any, and 
leave OSHCA behind if it doesn't walk the talk.

Joseph

Fred Trotter wrote:
> OSCHA committee,
>  It is a little troublesome that Will's membership is being
> discarded along with his comments. Essentially the arguments of the
> committee is "lets get it working and then worry about getting it right".
> This is fine but I, at least, will have to wait to see it working right
> before I can toss my hat in the ring. This is not so much a criticism,
> perhaps the committee has the right idea! But until there is an entity that
> merits trust (which means having a forum for dissenting supporters) then I
> will have to stay on the sidelines with (apparently) Will.
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Re: [openhealth] Re: oshca inaugural meeting - constitution

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Will,

 > why not let the process proceed and see what the results of the votes
 > are?

Agreed. I have voiced similar concerns about the current process to the 
protem and am comfortable going with the flow so OSHCA can incorporate 
and get to next phase.

Joseph

Will Ross wrote:
> joseph,
> 
> how can the process be democratic if a nay vote is disallowed?
> 
> i have no problem being outvoted.   as an american, i am used to 
> voting for the candidate that does not win,  but that doesn't (yet) 
> take away my right to vote .   meanwhile, i have a problem with 
> being kicked out for voting no, which is molly's assertion.
> 
> why not let the process proceed and see what the results of the votes 
> are?   isn't it moot to discuss a result before completing the process?
> 
> [wr]
> 
> - - - - - - - -
> 
> On Apr 25, 2006, at 5:47 AM, Joseph Dal Molin wrote:
> 
>  > Will,
>  >
>  >
>  > I agree that the process we are following is a clunky. My 
>  > suggestion is
>  > let's do what democratic countries do with imperfect constitutions and
>  > amend it after we have bootstrapped OSHCA into existencethe US did
>  > it so can OHSCA :-). Would you be comfortable boostrapping OSHCA 
>  > for now
>  > and then working to amend the constitution? Given that OSHCA is a
>  > democracy we can deal with flaws and omissions more effectively with
>  > real voting membership in place.
>  >
>  > Joseph
>  >
>  >
>  > Will Ross wrote:
>  >> molly,
>  >>
>  >> with all due respect, what is the point of offering opportunities to
>  >> vote for or against a position if a nay vote is disallowed or
>  >> prevents the possibility of membership?   please explain to me how
>  >> the loyal opposition can voice their opinion without harassment,
>  >> retribution, exclusion and expulsion.
>  >>
>  >> please review the motions.   i approved the creation of the entity,
>  >> the naming of the entity, and the members of the protem committee,
>  >> but i opposed submission of the proposed constitution because i
>  >> consider it to be unnecessarily flawed, and the process to be
>  >> unnecessarily rushed.   i fail to see to see the connection between
>  >> my nay vote on the constitution and your assertion that i am
>  >> disallowed to be a founding member.   if anything, it is flawed
>  >> instructions for a meeting process that is interfering with my good
>  >> faith attempt to openly join oshca.
>  >>
>  >> with best regards,
>  >>
>  >> [wr]
>  >>
>  >> - - - - - - - -
>  >>
>  >> On Apr 24, 2006, at 9:00 PM, Molly Cheah wrote:
>  >>
>  >>> Hi Will,
>  >>> What you have done is incorrect. As you disagree with the
>  >>> constitution, we will not be able to include your name in the list
>  >>> of founding members to the ROS simply because the ROS will not
>  >>> register OSHCA. Therefore there will be no OSHCA for you to be a
>  >>> member of.
>  >>>
>  >>> I am posting this to the openhealth list for the information of
>  >>> others.
>  >>>
>  >>> Molly
>  >>> Will Ross wrote:
>  >>>
>  >>>> joseph,
>  >>>>
>  >>>> not sure if this is correct.
>  >>>>
>  >>>> [wr]
>  >>>>
>  >>>> - - - - - - - -
>  >>>>
>  >>>> will ross
>  >>>> project manager
>  >>>> mendocino informatics
>  >>>> 216 west perkins street, suite 206
>  >>>> ukiah, california  95482  usa
>  >>>> 707.462.6369 [office]
>  >>>> 707.462.5015 [fax]
>  >>>> www.minformatics.com
>  >>>>
>  >>>> - - - - - - - -
>  >>>>
>  >>>> "Getting people to adopt common standards is impeded by patents."
>  >>>> Sir Tim Berners-Lee,  BCS, 2006
>  >>>>
>  >>>> - - - - - - - -
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
>  >>>> - - - - - - - -
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
>  >>>> ---
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>  >>>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>  >>>> Checked by AVG Fre

Re: [openhealth] Re: oshca inaugural meeting - constitution

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Will,


I agree that the process we are following is a clunky. My suggestion is 
let's do what democratic countries do with imperfect constitutions and 
amend it after we have bootstrapped OSHCA into existencethe US did 
it so can OHSCA :-). Would you be comfortable boostrapping OSHCA for now 
and then working to amend the constitution? Given that OSHCA is a 
democracy we can deal with flaws and omissions more effectively with 
real voting membership in place.

Joseph


Will Ross wrote:
> molly,
> 
> with all due respect, what is the point of offering opportunities to 
> vote for or against a position if a nay vote is disallowed or 
> prevents the possibility of membership?   please explain to me how 
> the loyal opposition can voice their opinion without harassment, 
> retribution, exclusion and expulsion.
> 
> please review the motions.   i approved the creation of the entity, 
> the naming of the entity, and the members of the protem committee, 
> but i opposed submission of the proposed constitution because i 
> consider it to be unnecessarily flawed, and the process to be 
> unnecessarily rushed.   i fail to see to see the connection between 
> my nay vote on the constitution and your assertion that i am 
> disallowed to be a founding member.   if anything, it is flawed 
> instructions for a meeting process that is interfering with my good 
> faith attempt to openly join oshca.
> 
> with best regards,
> 
> [wr]
> 
> - - - - - - - -
> 
> On Apr 24, 2006, at 9:00 PM, Molly Cheah wrote:
> 
>  > Hi Will,
>  > What you have done is incorrect. As you disagree with the 
>  > constitution, we will not be able to include your name in the list 
>  > of founding members to the ROS simply because the ROS will not 
>  > register OSHCA. Therefore there will be no OSHCA for you to be a 
>  > member of.
>  >
>  > I am posting this to the openhealth list for the information of 
>  > others.
>  >
>  > Molly
>  > Will Ross wrote:
>  >
>  >> joseph,
>  >>
>  >> not sure if this is correct.
>  >>
>  >> [wr]
>  >>
>  >> - - - - - - - -
>  >>
>  >> will ross
>  >> project manager
>  >> mendocino informatics
>  >> 216 west perkins street, suite 206
>  >> ukiah, california  95482  usa
>  >> 707.462.6369 [office]
>  >> 707.462.5015 [fax]
>  >> www.minformatics.com
>  >>
>  >> - - - - - - - -
>  >>
>  >> "Getting people to adopt common standards is impeded by patents."
>  >> Sir Tim Berners-Lee,  BCS, 2006
>  >>
>  >> - - - - - - - -
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> - - - - - - - -
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> -
>  >> ---
>  >>
>  >> No virus found in this incoming message.
>  >> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>  >> Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.6/323 - Release Date: 
>  >> 4/24/2006
>  >>
>  >
>  >
> 
> 
> [wr]
> 
> - - - - - - - -
> 
> will ross
> project manager
> mendocino informatics
> 216 west perkins street, suite 206
> ukiah, california  95482  usa
> 707.462.6369 [office]
> 707.462.5015 [fax]
> www.minformatics.com
> 
> - - - - - - - -
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Re: [openhealth] Re: oshca inaugural meeting - constitution

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Will,

For some reason I didn't receive the email you sent below with the 
attached formplease resend a copy to me for the record.

Joseph

Molly Cheah wrote:
> Hi Will,
> What you have done is incorrect. As you disagree with the constitution,
> we will not be able to include your name in the list of founding members
> to the ROS simply because the ROS will not register OSHCA. Therefore
> there will be no OSHCA for you to be a member of.
> 
> I am posting this to the openhealth list for the information of others.
> 
> Molly
> Will Ross wrote:
> 
>  > joseph,
>  >
>  > not sure if this is correct.
>  >
>  > [wr]
>  >
>  > - - - - - - - -
>  >
>  > will ross
>  > project manager
>  > mendocino informatics
>  > 216 west perkins street, suite 206
>  > ukiah, california  95482  usa
>  > 707.462.6369 [office]
>  > 707.462.5015 [fax]
>  > www.minformatics.com
>  >
>  > - - - - - - - -
>  >
>  > "Getting people to adopt common standards is impeded by patents."
>  > Sir Tim Berners-Lee,  BCS, 2006
>  >
>  > - - - - - - - -
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > - - - - - - - -
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
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Re: [openhealth] OSHCA Inaugural Meeting: Vote of thanks to Molly and Juliana

[Joseph Dal Molin]

I second Tim's vote of thanks to Molly and Juliana.

I would also request a small favour to make the job of taking minutes 
simplerplease keep the words  "OSHCA Inaugural Meeting" in all 
postings for this meeting.

Cheers,

Joseph

Tim Churches wrote:
> It is now 25 April 2006 in London, so the OSHCA Inaugural Meeting has
> presumably commenced.
> 
> Firstly, may I proposed a vote of thanks to Molly Cheah and Juliana Tang
> for all their hard work over the last few months in preparation for the
> formal registration of OSHCA as an international association of
> individuals and organisations.
> 
> Secondly, I have indicated my agreement with all of the resolutions set
> out in the Inaugural Meeting form and have sent the completed form to
> Molly and Joseph Dal Molin as requested. I urge others who wish to help
> found OSHCA as a formal organisation to do similarly.
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Re: [openhealth] Re: OSHCA Membership question

[Joseph Dal Molin]

James,

Good ideaas far as VistA-Office is concerned we will be shortly be 
working through the CCHIT/ONCHIT EHR criteria which includes 
interoperabilityonce we have done that we will gladly 
contribute/link to a common reference page.

Joseph

James Busser wrote:
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> On Apr 23, 2006, at 8:23 AM, Thomas Beale wrote:
> 
>  > I am advocating that a culture of re-use and interoperability be 
>  > adopted
>  > in health FOSS.
> 
> Would it be worth coaxing health FOSS producers to aggregate their 
> interoperability approaches? Perhaps by getting them to link, from 
> some kind of central and organized reference page, to whatever 
> information the FOSS producers had already compiled and which might 
> exist online? Or if it does not yet exist online, to provide a place 
> in which to post and maintain it?
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[openhealth] [Fwd: [FOSS-PDI] U.S. advised to promote open standards, source, innovation]

[Joseph Dal Molin]

FYI

 Original Message 
Subject: [FOSS-PDI] U.S. advised to promote open standards, source, 
innovation
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 21:05:02 +0100
From: Sunil Abraham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],  FOSS - Policy and Development Implications 
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Organization: International Open Source Network
To: FOSS-PDI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2542131185.html

A business- and university-led public policy group has issued a
downloadable 72-page report examining open standards, open source
software, and "open innovation." The report concludes that openness
should be promoted as a matter of public policy, in order to foster
innovation and economic growth in the U.S. and world economies.

The report was released by the Committee for Economic Development (CED),
a non-profit, non-partisan public policy research organization comprised
of about 200 senior corporate executives and university leaders. The
report resulted from a project within CED's Digital Connections Council
(DCC), which is chaired by Paul M. Horn, SVP of research at IBM. The
project was directed by Elliot Maxwell, described as "a key advisor on
digital economy issues in the Clinton Administration."

The CED report concludes that intellectual property (IP) law and
business practices designed for the trade of physical goods threaten
economic development and innovation in digital information product
markets such as software. It recommends several specific steps aimed at
helping public policy makers promote openness, innovation, and economic
growth:
   * Open Standards

   * Governments should "encourage the development and use of
 open standards, through processes as open to
 participation and contribution as possible"

   * The results of government-supported research should be
 readily available for inclusion in open standards

   * Governments should create incentives for early
 disclosure of intellectual property rights affecting
 open standards, because historically, companies have
 waited, in order to maximize damage claims


   * Open Source Software

   * Governments should not mandate any particular license,
 such as requiring open source software only; however...

   * No citizen should be required to use the
 hardware or software of any particular vendor

   * International procurements should also supprt
 inter-operability requirements


   * Open Innovation (such as 'peer production' systems like
 WikiPedia and eBay user ratings)

   * To foster open innovation, federally funded,
 non-classified research should be widely disseminated,
 following the example of the NIH (National Institute of
 Health)

   * "Any legislation or regulation regarding intellectual
 property rights [should be] weighed with a presumption
 against the granting of new rights ... because of the
 benefits to society of further innovation through
 greater access to technology."

   * The NSF (National Science Foundation) should fund
 research into "alternative compensation methods, similar
 to those created to facilitate the growth of radio, to
 reward creators of digital information products"


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Re: [openhealth] Re: OSHCA Membership question

[Joseph Dal Molin]

I do too. so let's all work to make it a key area of focus for OSHCA.

Joseph

Thomas Beale wrote:
> 
> I have to agree with Dave here - I see it as problematic if OSHCA
> doesn't see interoperability as a key issue. FOSS just gets you
> applications and components. Interoperable FOSS gets you integrated,
> componentised systems and environments. This is where the cost advantage
> of FOSS will be shown in the future. It is worth considering the
> ObjectWeb approach (http://www.objectweb.org).
> 
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Re: [openhealth] Re: OSHCA Membership question

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OSHCA meetings have always been open to anyone. While there has been 
much progress without OSHCA and there are other open source "working 
groups" imbedded in organizations like AMIA etc. there is a need for an 
open international forum whose focus is solely open source in health and 
provides a place both in the form of meetings and online venues for what 
I perceive to be "islands" of activity to interact and cross pollenate. 
This will evolve into concrete initiatives where there is sufficient 
"itch to scratch" and motivation to actI would definitely vote for 
promoting open source interoperability as a good starting pointit 
would be truly ironic if open source projects reinvented "lock-in".

Where OSHCA goes from here will be up to its membership and the goal 
creating a "formal" organization will allow the scope of what OSHCA can 
accomplisy, through funding etc. to expand significantly.

Joseph

David Forslund wrote:
> Is OSHCA membership intended to simply be an issue of who can vote on
> decisions by the organization or does it entail other matters?  Most
> organizations allow for observers and external contributors, but those
> can't vote on organizational decisions.   For example, can anyone
> participate/attend an OSHCA meeting (subject to possible meeting fees
> which are distinct from membership) or only paying members?   Will this
> list only be for paying OSHCA members?  So far the benefits of this list
> on discussion of technical issues is valuable, but I don't yet see the
> benefits of joining OSHCA.  There are other open source organizations
> that are at least as valuable being a member of.  I don't  know what
> OSHCA will be "doing".   I would think that promoting interoperability
> amongst open source systems would be a good task to do, but I don't see
> that on the list.  We have been fairly successful championing and
> promoting open source in healthcare without OSHCA.   I need to
> understand the benefit of joining the organization.  The cost isn't the
> issue; the time and effort is.
> 
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Re: [openhealth] Community Health Information Tracking System www.chits.info

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Hi Alvin,

Great to have you back...even without the source code ;-) 

Joseph

alvinbmarcelo wrote:
> Hello all. This is Alvin Marcelo (formerly of NLM) re-subscribing.
> 
> Happy to be back and to see that everyone is well.
> 
> I return because now we have source code to share :)
> 
> Our system is called Community Health Information Tracking System
> (www.chits.info) and it runs on LAMP.
> 
> It was designed to be modular so you can add on modules as you see
> fit. This way the system 'grows' with you. Although the primary
> targets are village health centers in developing countries, the same
> modules can be used for practice management anywhere around the world.
> 
> Developers and testers are welcome.
> 
> System architect is Dr. Herman Tolentino (who is now a public health
> informatics fellow in CDC).
> 
> alvin
> 
> PS. CHITS shirts are also on sale in Stockholm if you are interested :)
> 
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Re: [openhealth] OSHCA registration update

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Philipe,

It would be fair to say that OSHCA has been "dormant" for the last 
couple of years and that its public reputation has faded... it is not 
fair to say that OSHCA has no public reputation at all having been 
active for 4 years and having organized successful, internationally 
attended conferences each of those years.

IMHO the path to success is to work top down and bottom up at the same
time. In this regard, it makes sense to start where you are now rather
than put more things on the critical path...initially the path of least
resistance for bottom up involvement is to get the buy in,  support and 
participation of
active and credible "local projects", individuals and organizations to 
create critical massI am sure that there
are many out there that aren't aware of this list or OSHCA. In parallel
to this put in place the mothership...  which is what going on now, to 
establish a clear set of standards etc. for implementing chapters and
growing beyond the "local" project representation into local chapters. A 
strong
international organization will make it much easier to take the next 
step and of establishing
effective local chapters and ensuring that the OSHCA "brand" and
principles are consistently applied.that's where having common DNA 
to start with becomes
important.

Cheers,

Joseph

> Hi Joseph,
> 
> Should we envision Oshca the path to success through a bottom up or top
> down evolution.
> 
> If the mother organization is already well know or strongly established,
> you have better have lightweight branches... just like franchises, as
> you stated.
> In the other case, when it is easier to "think locally" than to address
> the whole world for the first steps, you may have the "main
> organization" work as the head of a confederation.
> 
> My feeling is that, since Oshca has no public reputation yet, it would
> more efficient to work as a locally incorporated branch of an
> international movement. And I really believe that Oshca can only be born
> as the sum of local energy before this entity can act by itself.
> 
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Re: [openhealth] OSHCA registration update

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Philippe AMELINE wrote:
> Hi to all,
> 
> The overall feeling is very good.
> 
> Some comments "anyway":
> 
> 3.1: Chapters and country branchs
> I think this point should be made more accurate. It is eventually a very
> important one, since local lobbying is of major interest.
> Have local branchs to be non profit organizations?
> Are local branchs members plain members of the main Oshca? Do they pay a
> plain fee to main Oshca, or do the local branch keep some part of this fee?
> I believe that this chapter must be properly elaborated.

WorldVistA spent quite a bit of time thinking about this issue as we 
have had requests to form "branches" from several countries in the past 
year or so. One model that we really liked is the IEEE approach of 
establishing "chapters" which do not require local incorporation if my 
memory serves me well. My advice is to focus over the next year on 
getting the "mother ship" in order and working effectivelythat will 
establish the processes, experience etc. for determining how to best 
distribute representation. This process is very similar to creating a 
franchise based businessyou first develop a successful reference 
implementation to define all the characteristics of the DNA of the 
organization, then develop the franchising strategy to ensure that the 
DNA stays intact as you distribute the organization.

Joseph


 
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Re: [openhealth] EHR Review makes progress, needs help!

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Nandalal Gunaratne wrote:
> It seems to me that Fred is going to review just these, and others are 
> supposed to chiop in with some reviews or part of reviews of any other 
> EMRs worth talking about.
> 
> Open VistA remains to be reviewed and OSCAR.

May I suggest that we use the label VistA as the name OpenVistA has been 
trade marked by one of the companies involved with VistA and does not 
represent the open source version which WorldVistA is making available 
to the global community.

> 
> Zope based SPIRIT?

SPIRIT isn't an EHR its a repository of open source projects in the 
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Re: [openhealth] Openhealth mailing list

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Hi Philippe,

Last I heard Yves moved to a new department in the European 
CommissionI don't recall where. Brian or  Carlo Daffara would likely 
know

Joseph

Philippe AMELINE wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> This short message to say how happy I am to see Brian back.
> Many of us have been able to meet and establish friendly relationships
> due to Minoru's  work.
> 
> I am still missing Yves Paindaveine. Any news from him ?
> 
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Re: [openhealth] Openhealth mailing list

[Joseph Dal Molin]

I checked mailarchive.com and it is still operational...but don't know 
how far back it goes.

Joseph

Brian Bray wrote:
> There have been 12928 messages. At a rough guess, this would consume
> most of the storage capacity at Yahoo to have in a searchable format.
> Some form of protection for email addresses in the archive would need to
> be in place to prevent mining and spam.
> 
> The existing archive at mail-archive.com will, as far as I know,
> continue to exist at least until the archive limit date. It goes back a
> couple of years. The list was also archived at two or three other sites,
> but I'm not sure if they are still operational.
> 
> I suggest that we use the existing archive for the time being and see if
> there is a need for older messages.
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[openhealth] [Fwd: [CAnet - news] IEEE Workshop on Workflow for Scientific Applications]

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Thought folks might find this of interest.

Joseph

 Original Message 
Subject: [CAnet - news] IEEE Workshop on Workflow for Scientific 
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Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 11:19:22 -0500
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virtual laboratories and experiments. CANARIE's UCLP allows the researcher
to also treat the network as an element in the workflow composition - akin
to a wide area LabView (tm) linking together instruments, databases,
sensors, etc.  Thanks to Richard Ackerman for this pointer. -- BSA]

http://www-static.cc.gatech.edu/~cooperb/sciflow06/

IEEE Workshop on Workflow and Data Flow for Scientific Applications
(SciFlow 2006)
Atlanta, GA, April 8th 2006

Workshop scope
Today computational scientists across all disciplines create ever increasing
amounts of often highly complex data. Generated raw and derived data may
come from wet lab experiments, large-scale data-intensive and
compute-intensive simulations, or real-time observations e.g. from remote
sensors. Technical challenges include not only managing the volume of data,
but also the complexity of managing computations distributed over the grid.
In order to support scientists in their data management and analysis tasks,
scientific workflows have recently gained increased interest and momentum as
a unifying mechanism for handling scientific data. Scientific workflows pose
a unique set of challenges due to the special nature of scientific data and
the specific needs for large-scale data collection, querying and analysis.
The goal of this workshop is to foster a community of researchers advancing
the various technical aspects of scientific computing and workflow
management over grids. We invite contributions from researchers addressing
diverse aspects of this emerging area. The workshop will include regular and
short research papers and demonstrations. Position papers are also
encouraged to attract discussions on work in progress.
Topics of interest
We invite regular and short papers as well as demonstrations (accompanied by
descriptive papers) and position papers on relevant topics, including but
not limited to:

 * Data management challenges in scientific workflow systems
 * Scheduling, resource allocation, and planning for scientific workflow
systems
 * Distributed and Grid-based scientific workflow systems
 * Data-intensive, compute-intensive, metadata-intensive scientific
applications
 * Highly interactive scientific workflow systems
 * Problem-solving environments for scientific workflow systems
 * Data and workflow provenance in scientific workflow systems
 * Query processing over scientific streams
 * Data mining scientific streams
 * Caching of scientific datasets and streams
 * Semantics in scientific grids
 * Interactive and real time management of scientific data
 * Archiving science grid data
 * Information discovery in science grids
 * Case studies of science data grids
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Re: [openhealth] Important announcement and oshca update

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Legal protection in the context of an organization like OSHCA is IMHO 
not a major concern. What is more important is how the countries laws 
influence governance.

David Forslund wrote:
> I don't understand why this is good or even relevant.  What should
> matter is the legal protection
> provided by the incorporation in the various countries participating,
> which I think was Richard's point.
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Re: [openhealth] Important announcement and oshca update

[Joseph Dal Molin]

To add to Tim's point and in support of Molly's choiceMalaysia also 
has a pro-open source policy. Underscoring one of Molly's 
pointsincorporating there opens up many funding avenuesfor 
example: Canada's IDRC funds several open source initiatives based in 
the ASEAN area  but would not fund an OSHCA incorporated in Canada 
working in that area.

The path of least resistance for adoption and greatest need for open 
source in health is not in the G7.

Joseph

Tim.Churches wrote:
> Richard Schilling wrote:
>  > If I were involved in the incorporation (which I can do, by the way in a
>  > day) I would object to doing it in Malaysia.  I would do it in the U.S.
>  > first.  The protections offered a U.S. corporation might be much greater
>  > than in Malaysia.
> 
> Glad that you have compared US and Malaysian corporate law. Personally I
> think it is great that OSHCA will finally be incorporated, and given the
> current Zeitgeist in many rich countries, that it will be incorporated
> under a flag bearing the crescent and star.
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Re: [openhealth] Architecture Question - VistA and MHS enterprise architecture

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Lorie,

Not sure what you mean by OSHISin any case your best bet is to ask 
this question on the VistA community's listserve (although Greg 
Woodhouse may be able to answer it here):

https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members

Joseph

lorie_obal wrote:
> I'm studying the the VistA system capabilities and the Military Health
> System enterprise architecture to develop a framework for evaluating
> and classifying OSHIS.
> 
> I'm not really clear on whether VistA capabilities are supposed to
> explicitly map to the MHS architecture. Can someone enlighten me as to
> their relationship?
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Re: [openhealth] CCHIT biased towards proprietary software??

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It's a non-profit that won a Health and Human Services Tender to 
implement the ONCHIT EHR criteria.

 > I agree, but certifying authorities such as CCHIT (is CCHIT a govt
 > certification authority or is it a certifying business set up to make
 > money or is it an "industry" non-profit set up to perform a service?)
 > need to to be told to concentrate on making their validation criteria as
 > automatable and repeatable as possible

and...at the risk of stating the obvious there should be some 
mechanism for evaluating the certification authority and the criteria...



 
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Re: [openhealth] CCHIT biased towards proprietary software??

[Joseph Dal Molin]

In the pilot test of the criteria vendors took between roughly 30 and 
300 hours to document their solutions.don't know to what extent they 
wentso Tim's estimate sounds reasonable. We estimated it will take 
300 hours for VistA Officewe will let everyone know when we are done 
how long it took.

I personally believe certification is importantbut it should impose 
as small a "tax'  as possible, regardless of the license, business model 
etc. Automated scripts would go a long way to achieve this.

Would be interesting to hear from David Chan how much effort was 
required to certify OSCAR in Ontario, Canada?

Joseph
WorldVistA, VVSO

Tim.Churches wrote:

> Test files?In fact, there is no reason why automated test scripts
> couldn't be used to demonstrate compliance with the criteria described
> by CCHIT - see http://www.cchit.org/publiccomment4.htm - but I get the
> feeling that those framing the criteria had human actors in mind with
> respect to their test scripts. I might be wrong.
> 
> Either way, it would seem quite feasible for an open source project to
> publish documentation of how it meets the certification criteria in the
> documents on the above Web page. Tedious to compile such documentation,
> but still only person-weeks (or at worst one- o r two-person months)of
> work, I suspect, not person years. Split it up between five or six
> people and its doable without danger of inducing madness. If a project
> did that, then the CCHIT charge for certification ought to be minimal,
> if anything at all.
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Re: [openhealth] CCHIT biased towards proprietary software??

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This is a US initiative...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  >The current CCHIT pricing module seems biased against any GPL based
>  > system.
>  >  Joseph has already written about this, but I would like for us to
>  > consider
>  >  group action in the issue.
>  >
>  >  The first issue is pricing. It will cost a $25,000 to $35,000 one-time
>  > fee
>  >  to perform the test. After certification, an annual fee based on sales
>  > will
>  >  be required which will be at least $5,000 a year. According to...
>  >
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> proposing this certification plan.
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Community (was) Re: [openhealth] Demonstrations & Standards.

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Yes agreedrelying community dynamics etc. alone is high risk...there 
also the need for low effort control through standards and certification 
etc. Tim's Wikipedia example is a good oneit also illustrates that 
part of the solution to managing complex communities is to have many 
smaller interelated foci which are driven by user needs.

Achieving balance isn't easy. and when I view all this when wearing 
a project management hat I come to some of the same conclusions you do. 
The ecology of what we are talking about is indeed complex with 
successful community driven projects  and more  "focused" efforts 
all interacting and achieving a wide range of ROI's. I suppose that's 
why open source has spawned a whole host of academic research initiatives.

Joseph


Will Ross wrote:
> On Mar 23, 2006, at 10:31 PM, Joseph Dal Molin wrote:
> 
>  > Will Ross wrote:
>  >> Joseph,
>  >>
>  >> I disagree on your community challenge.   I think the "community"
>  >> aspect of open source is not only over rated, it is in fact a
>  >> negative, a risk factor to be considered.
>  >
>  > I guess its a matter of perspectivein the early stages of a 
>  > project
>  > yes community can pose a significant negative risk factor I
>  > don't agree that that remains to be true once critical mass of 
>  > adoption
>  > is achieved.
> 
> Once the critical mass of adoption is achieved, project forking, or 
> the spawning of lookalike projects, is added to the risk calculus.   
> I am not an economist, but my gut tells me the prospect of a 
> community of users is a net neutral, even if the end result is a 
> project that moves forward, adds functionality, achieves a high 
> adoption rate and features a lot of active participants committing 
> improvements.   One of the costs of a community is the high number of 
> tasks the project leaders must undertake to keep a core goal in 
> focus, and to constantly re-teach the community that the project has 
> a focus, and to police the community so that collaboration does not 
> dissipate the focus.
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Re: [openhealth] Demonstrations & Standards.

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Will Ross wrote:
> Joseph,
> 
> I disagree on your community challenge.   I think the "community" 
> aspect of open source is not only over rated, it is in fact a 
> negative, a risk factor to be considered. 

I guess its a matter of perspectivein the early stages of a project 
yes community can pose a significant negative risk factor I 
don't agree that that remains to be true once critical mass of adoption 
is achieved.


Joseph


 
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Re: [openhealth] Demonstrations & Standards.

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Philippe AMELINE wrote:

> I am ok to put a workflow engine among the front office services, but 
> are you talking about a workflow of people/acts (something like a care 
> path) or a workflow of documents?
> 

Good point Philippe from my now outdated experience with workflow 
tools, there used to be two categories of software.one which was 
more workgroup/document centric like OpenText and now defunct 
LinkWorksto the kind of engines one uses in a more linear workflow 
enviornment such as loan processing etc. Health care is interesting 
because it requires a great deal of flexibility to accomodate 
unpredictability, yet also has a lot of predictable linear workflows. 
Have these capabilities been merged in the current offerings?

Joseph


 
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Re: [openhealth] Demonstrations & Standards.

[Joseph Dal Molin]

IMHO this may be setting the bar too highsorry for singing to the 
choir: what we need are a few "good enough" solutions (and there are a 
couple) that meet user needs and more importantly, critical mass 
communities of users and developers that collaboratively, continuously 
improve them. The most compelling solutions will emerge from those 
communities. The real challenge is building the communities, not the 
software.

Joseph

Will Ross wrote:

> Until we have compelling informatics solutions that meet actual  
> clinical user needs, adoption of new IT proposals will be minimal at  
> best, which describes the current state of EHR deployment in this  
> country (i.e., minimal).
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Open Source Interoperability (was) Re: [openhealth] Re: OS at MedInfo 2007

[Joseph Dal Molin]

An excellent summary Thomas! The following point really strikes a chord, 
especially as the VistA-Office EHR team is about to begin to work to 
meet the ONCHIT EHR certification criteria:

 > , it is definitely not a given that OS efforts will
 > do any better at exploiting it than commercial ones.

What would you suggest we, the community as whole, do in practical terms 
to ensure that we exlpoit the power of interoperability? So far most if 
not all of the "projects" have been working in relative 
isolationmostly I'm sure because of time and energy constraints than 
anything elsedo we need a sort of IHE effort/wdemonstration for open 
source solutions?

Joseph


Thomas Beale wrote:
> I think (and I may be wrong) that OS as a theme in and of itself is not
> that interesting; the point is: how does the OS approach in health
> improve things? Positive consequences that spring to mind:
> 
> * OS software it is potentially a better means of achieving
>   interoperability, since open source developments are more like
>   than closed ones to want to reuse rather than reinvent due to more
>   limited resources (however, the evidence is that all modes of
>   software development are trapped largely in reinvention mode)
> * OS software is accordingly more likely to be a better vector for
>   standards, since there is not the commercial motivation to lock in
>   customers (but how do we know there isn't another kind of
>   motivation in the OS area to do the same thing - based e.g. on pride?)
> * OS software is more likely to be componentised, and delivered in
>   components, due to more limited resources and the inability to
>   financially sustain gigantic new build efforts.
> * It should be cheaper to own and run
> * It might even be more innovative, due to the need to find smart
>   solutions that work on cheap technology. I have no evidence at all
>   for this, but it could well be true for the sectors of the market
>   that are not pursued by big companies (e.g. small systems for
>   developing countries).
> * being a vector of systemic change - i..e not just serving
>   individual customers but offering alternatives for widespread
>   change across entire sectors of health. This is also related to
>   not locking in users.
> 
> All obvious? I don't think it is. I think these are all potentials, and
> I think that OS development efforts owe it to themselves and the
> community they aspire to serve to be more interested in
> interoperability, (good) standards, and thinking in terms of attractive
> long-term options for users. I think we all run the risk of being just
> as inward-looking and non-customer focussed as any commercial
> development effort. The record of commercial products for
> interoperability and lock-in has been mostly poor, so the opportunity is
> there, but in my mind, it is definitely not a given that OS efforts will
> do any better at exploiting it than commercial ones.
> 
> These are the kinds of themes I would find more interesting in a
> conference or other forum; not endless debates about free/libre,
> licenses or other details. In other words the interest in OS must be
> about better outcomes.
> 
> - thomas beale
> 
> 
> Tim.Churches wrote:
>  > Forwarded message from Peter Murray.
>  >
>  >  Original Message 
>  > Subject: Re: OS at MedInfo 2007
>  > Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 09:54:15 +
>  > From: Peter Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  > To: Tim.Churches <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  > CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  >
>  > Hi, Tim -
>  >
>  > good question on OS activities at medinfo2007. (Could you copy the
>  > substance of this reply to the openhealth list, as I am not on it -
>  > thought I was going to be added after the AMIA OSWG meeting in November,
>  > but does not seem to have happened yet - I will copy this to AMIA OSWG
>  > list).
>  >
>  > I think we should aim for something substantial at medinfo2007 in the
>  > free/libre open source area - we can at least get an IMIA OSWG activity
>  > of some kind, which we can open to any medinfo2007 attendees, but it
>  > might be useful to see if we can get enough momentum and interest to
>  > maybe have a full day or so 'in conjunction with medinfo2007' or similar
>  > phrasing for as many groups and individuals as are interested.
>  >
>  > I have to confess that the IMIA OSWG has not been as active in
>  > organising events and things as I had hoped we might be - for various
>  > reasons, but when I did try and pull together a 'critical mass' of
>  > things for MIE2005, I did not get much response from people.
>  >
>  > I will be seeing Joan Edgcumbe from HISA here at our UK health
>  > informatics event over the next few days - if I get the chance, I will
>  > sound out with her possibilities and processes.
>  >
>  > So - I am all for trying to get something together - we need, at a
>  > minimun, to encourage FLOSS submissions (paper

Re: OSHCA Meetings (was) Re: [openhealth] Re: List future [was: Why are you here?]

[Joseph Dal Molin]

totally agree about the eggs

Tim.Churches wrote:
> Joseph Dal Molin wrote:
>  > Tim,
>  >
>  > Sorry didn't mean to dampen enthusiasm and imply that a satellite
>  > conference in 2007 was impossible to pull offwhat I meant was that
>  > in general you need operating capital to be able to pick where you want
>  > to hold a meeting. In fact a satellite conference is preferable to
>  > imbedding a meeting in Medinfo because of the cost of registration. A
>  > low risk strategy is to find a willing host that can provide the space
>  > to meet and ideally food services that are within walking distance -  a
>  > university or something like that.
> 
> No, I agree completely.
> 
>  > BTWthe London meeting shadowed MedInfo and OSHCA was able to
>  > collaborate with  the Medinfo organizers advertise our meeting on the
>  > Medinfo website and vice versa which generated a great turn out.
> 
> I think that those interested in OSHCA should organise a satellite mtg
> if they wish, but that an open source workshop or some other meeting
> under the auspices of MedInfo2007 should also be pursued. Let's not put
> all our eggs in one basket...
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Re: [openhealth] Re: OSHCA Meetings

[Joseph Dal Molin]

something that might be of interest for EHRs would be to provide an 
encounter script and patient data that each "product" would build into 
their demos to provide a common point of comparison.  The ACP does this 
for one of the events in their annual conference.
William Lester wrote:
> RE: "...what do people want to get out of a conference or other kind of 
> meeting..."
> 
> For me, the world of open source medical records/hospital/clinic 
> management software is disbursed, not well documented, and to some 
> extent politicized. I'd love to go to a conference where a wide range of 
> applications are demoed and discussed. I'd like for those products to 
> run the gamut from borderline commercial products to true FOSHCA 
> applications. I'd like to see products that work in high resource 
> hospitals in the North, low resource clinics in the South, and in between.
> 
> And I'd love to hear a discussion on standards for medical software 
> applications - what's happening, who's doing it, what's needed, and what 
> we can do to help.
> 
> And I want to network with others who have the same interests - that's 
> most important.
> 
> In short, for a relative newbie like me, I'd like to get up-to-speed on 
> the current state of open source medical applications, in a safe and 
> challenging environment.
> 
> imho
> 
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> 
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Re: OSHCA Meetings (was) Re: [openhealth] Re: List future [was: Why are you here?]

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Tim,

Sorry didn't mean to dampen enthusiasm and imply that a satellite 
conference in 2007 was impossible to pull offwhat I meant was that 
in general you need operating capital to be able to pick where you want 
to hold a meeting. In fact a satellite conference is preferable to 
imbedding a meeting in Medinfo because of the cost of registration. A 
low risk strategy is to find a willing host that can provide the space 
to meet and ideally food services that are within walking distance -  a 
university or something like that.

BTWthe London meeting shadowed MedInfo and OSHCA was able to 
collaborate with  the Medinfo organizers advertise our meeting on the 
Medinfo website and vice versa which generated a great turn out.

Joseph



Tim.Churches wrote:
> Joseph Dal Molin wrote:
>  > While it makes sense to shadow MedInfo it may be difficult to do
>  > anything more than a "birds of a feather" meeting initially without
>  > first establishing self sustainabilitythe critical success factors
>  > for successful OSHCA meetings so far have been:
>  >
>  > - a local sponsor/champion eg. Mike McCoy and Colin Smith (Los Angles
>  > and London)
>  > - champion(s) and well connected organizing committee in OSCHA
>  >
>  > The first one was always the most important because it allowed OSHCA to
>  > stage a meeting without any financial risk or commitment.something
>  > that is absolutely necessary when you don't have operating capital. This
>  > also meant that OSHCA had to be opportunistic and "follow the money" in
>  > deciding where meetings would take place. I think it makes sense to seek
>  > some seed money for an initial meeting with the goal of
>  > self-sustainability through a combination of attendance fees, and
>  > sponsorship.
> 
> OK, no OSHCA satellite conference around MedInfo 2007 then. Anyway, is
> anyone interested in an open source workshop or BOF meeting as part of
> MedInfo in Brisbane in 2007?
> 
> Tim C
> 
>  >
>  > IMHO meeting every 3 years is setting the bar too lowOSHCA was able
>  > to meet every year for four years in a row and clearly was gaining
>  > momentum. With the OSHCA.org issue resolved, the integration of the
>  > discussion lists and most importantly the renewed spirit of harmony a
>  > more ambitious agenda is quite realistic.
>  >
>  > Joseph
>  >
>  > Will Ross wrote:
>  >  > On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 01:48:46 -0800 Horst Herb wrote:
>  >  >
>  >  >  > On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 03:34, Joseph Dal Molin wrote:
>  >  >  >> Adrian, thanks for the smile and words of wisdom.hopefully it
>  >  >  >> won't
>  >  >  >> be long before we have an opportunity to meet again. One of 
> the first
>  >  >  >> things on the OSHCA agenda IMHO should be a conference. Every one
>  >  >  >> we had
>  >  >  >> was unique and inspiring event and essential to community
>  >  >  >> building
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  > I would volunteer to organize it in Australia - sure, it's a long
>  >  >  > way from
>  >  >  > anywhere else, but it can be damn nice, it's safe, and it can be
>  >  >  > very cheap
>  >  >  > too once the flight has been paid.
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  > Horst
>  >  >
>  >  > I propose we meet Brisbane in August 2007
>  >  >
>  >  > http://www.medinfo2007.org/
>  >  >
>  >  > Meeting in 2006 would also be nice, but may be more difficult to pull
>  >  > off.   I have the sense that the scale of our collaboration would be
>  >  > stretched by attempting to meet too often.   If we shadow MedInfo's
>  >  > pattern, once every three years, could be a good fit for now, and we
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Re: OSHCA Meetings (was) Re: [openhealth] Re: List future [was: Why are you here?]

[Joseph Dal Molin]

James,

Here is a quick review of how past sponsorship of past events came about:

Meeting 1 - Rome - Bud Bruegger, one of the founders of OSHCA, was 
working on an open source lab project for a joint FAO/IAEA initiative. 
Bud's clients provided meeting space and refreshmentsattendees 
covered their own expenses.

Meeting 2 - London - Colin Smith who at the time was with the UK NHS 
Information Authority invited me to brief the CEO and executive team on 
the subject of open source in healthduring the discussion of next 
steps,  sponsorship of the next OSHCA meeting was adopted

Meeting 3 - UCLA Los Angeles - Mike McCoy attended the London meeting, 
someone mentioned  that Mike was interested in hosting a meeting, I 
approached Mike at the meeting and asked if he would commit to hosting 
which he did

Meeting 4 -  Geneva - Dr. Osmand Ratib of UCLA invited Dr.  Antoine 
Geissbuhler from the Univ. Hosp. of Geneva to the LA meeting. Antoine 
was considering hosting the next meeting and confirmed after attending 
UCLA's OSHCA event.

As for 2006, what I think is realistic is a "seed meeting". One 
possibility that comes to mind is the Mednet meeting in Toronto in 
October. I live in Toronto and know have collaborated with local 
organizers before.will drop them a line and see if they might be 
interested in having an "OSHCA open source workshop".

Joseph

James Busser wrote:
> 
> On Mar 18, 2006, at 8:56 AM, Joseph Dal Molin wrote:
> 
>  > the critical success factors
>  > for successful OSHCA meetings so far have been:
>  >
>  > - a local sponsor/champion eg. Mike McCoy and Colin Smith (Los Angles
>  > and London)
>  > - champion(s) and well connected organizing committee in OSCHA
> 
> Anyone have contacts/ideas for potential sponsor/champions in Brisbane?
> 
> To what can we credit the past sponsorship/championing of Mike McCoy 
> and Colin Smith?
> 
> Maybe if we understand that, it will help to sustain & reproduce it.
> 


 
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[openhealth] [Fwd: Re: OSHCA Conference was: List future [was: Why are you here?]]

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On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 01:38, Tim Cook wrote:
> Scheduling around MedInfo would be beneficial.
> http://www.medinfo2007.org/
>
> I would look forward to it and thanks for the offer to organize it.

Yes, 2 days before or after HISA would be good timing.

Would there be any more takers? If I am to organize it, I need at least 6
months prior to the conference

Could somebody please forward the suggestion to the yahoo list?

Horst

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OSHCA Meetings (was) Re: [openhealth] Re: List future [was: Why are you here?]

[Joseph Dal Molin]

While it makes sense to shadow MedInfo it may be difficult to do 
anything more than a "birds of a feather" meeting initially without 
first establishing self sustainabilitythe critical success factors 
for successful OSHCA meetings so far have been:

- a local sponsor/champion eg. Mike McCoy and Colin Smith (Los Angles 
and London)
- champion(s) and well connected organizing committee in OSCHA

The first one was always the most important because it allowed OSHCA to 
stage a meeting without any financial risk or commitment.something 
that is absolutely necessary when you don't have operating capital. This 
also meant that OSHCA had to be opportunistic and "follow the money" in 
deciding where meetings would take place. I think it makes sense to seek 
some seed money for an initial meeting with the goal of 
self-sustainability through a combination of attendance fees, and 
sponsorship.

IMHO meeting every 3 years is setting the bar too lowOSHCA was able 
to meet every year for four years in a row and clearly was gaining 
momentum. With the OSHCA.org issue resolved, the integration of the 
discussion lists and most importantly the renewed spirit of harmony a 
more ambitious agenda is quite realistic.

Joseph

Will Ross wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 01:48:46 -0800 Horst Herb wrote:
> 
>  > On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 03:34, Joseph Dal Molin wrote:
>  >> Adrian, thanks for the smile and words of wisdom.hopefully it 
>  >> won't
>  >> be long before we have an opportunity to meet again. One of the first
>  >> things on the OSHCA agenda IMHO should be a conference. Every one 
>  >> we had
>  >> was unique and inspiring event and essential to community 
>  >> building
>  >
>  > I would volunteer to organize it in Australia - sure, it's a long 
>  > way from
>  > anywhere else, but it can be damn nice, it's safe, and it can be 
>  > very cheap
>  > too once the flight has been paid.
>  >
>  > Horst
> 
> I propose we meet Brisbane in August 2007
> 
> http://www.medinfo2007.org/
> 
> Meeting in 2006 would also be nice, but may be more difficult to pull 
> off.   I have the sense that the scale of our collaboration would be 
> stretched by attempting to meet too often.   If we shadow MedInfo's 
> pattern, once every three years, could be a good fit for now, and we 
> can follow MedInfo as it hops about the globe.
> 
> [wr]
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Re: [openhealth] Re: List future [was: Why are you here?]

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Thank you Brian!

This is an excellent solution, and very timely as believe that we are 
finally at a real tipping point in the adoption of the open source model 
in the health sector. The existence of a community driven, professional 
forum is critical to synergy, credibility and success for all of us. 
Looking forward to contributing in any way I can to both the list and 
OSHCA's rebirth.

Joseph

Molly Cheah wrote:
> Thank you Brian for this timely decision. I sincerely hope this will be
> a start for a new era for the OSS in Healthcare Community. I have
> forwarded this e-mail to the Yahoo list for discussion. Many of you who
> had not signed on the yahoo list may have missed out on the discussion
> on the ressurrection of OSHCA. I will be moving for the ressurrection
> quickly now. Barring unforseen circumstances and a change in sentiments,
> we should see OSHCA back as well as one openhealth list. In the meantime
> I'm going to post on both lists and I look to getting support for my
> actions based on decisions made during past discussions for the
> ressurrection on OSHCA.
> 
> Molly
> 
> Brian Bray wrote:
> 
>  > Thanks everyone for the feedback.
>  >
>  > I have a proposal that I've worked out with Molly Cheah, who is
>  > working to incorporate the Open Source Health Care Alliance (OSHCA). 
>  > Joseph Dal Molin, Tim Cook, and Adrian Midgley were also involved.
>  >
>  > The proposal is to form the Openhealth list at OSHCA.ORG managed by
>  > volunteers for OSHCA. This list and the Yahoo list would be moved and
>  > closed. The OSHCA domain name and trademark would be transfered as
>  > soon as possible to facilitate this event.
>  >
>  > This proposal would realise a goal that I have had for a long time. As
>  > far as I can determine, it would meet all the concerns expressed over
>  > the last few days.
>  >
>  > Please comment on this proposal and feel free to ask any questions
>  > either on the lists or directly to Dr. Cheah or myself.
>  >
>  > -Brian
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[openhealth] ONCHIT EHR Certification Costs

[Joseph Dal Molin]

While this is a US specific issue similar challenges have or are 
about to crop up elsewhere as countries seem to mimic each others 
policies and initiatives a great deal when it comes to health IT. Our UK 
friends are quite familiar with thisand we are starting to see 
similar patterns here in Canada.

At last weeks townhall meeting the Certification Commission for 
Healthcare Information Technology (CCHIT) announced the pricing and 
payment model (slide 22, 
http://www.cchit.org/files/CCHIT_Town_Call-20060309_v1.1.pdf) for 
meeting the EHR criteria they are developing. The intent is to create a 
self sustaining CCHIT organization by charging vendors to certify their 
products.

The pricing model in this case is based on sales of a product with an 
initial certification cost of $25-35 k. The fact that the design of this 
model is based on the legacy software business model creates some 
serious issues for open source alternatives, no the least of which is 
the initial cost of certification.

CCHIT is soliciting comments on its plansI strongly urge both 
potential adopters and developers of open source EHRs to voice their 
thoughts and opinions on this potential roadblock to innovation.

http://www.cchit.org/publiccomment4.htm

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Re: [openhealth] Resurrecting OSHCA - further updates

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Adrian has captured my sentiments exactly. Sorry for the delay in 
replyingjust got back from Italywould have replied sooner if my 
plans for Internet access at my mom's place worked out on time.

Joseph

Adrian Midgley wrote:
> On Sun, 2006-01-29 at 09:47 +0800, Dr Molly Cheah wrote:
> 
>  > it will be technically correct for the remaining directors (Adrian
>  > and Joseph) to do it rather than myself who had resigned.  It would not
>  > be proper procedure  for me unless it's starting from fresh
> 
> I shouldn't worry about it.
> I remain willing to serve, and willing to watch other people get on with
> things.  "Rough concensus and running code."
> 
> If an unresigned Board member has any meaningful imprimatur, then you
> have mine.
> 
> Alternatively,
>  > that the resurrection process be initiated by the remaining directors.
> Make it so.
> 
>  > It's "Chinese New Year" today and we're closed for a week. I'm taking
>  > this opportunity to take a break as well. "Gong Xi Fa Cai" to all those
>  > who celebrate the Lunar New Year.
> 
> I went out to dinner with a small bunch who do just that.  It was a good
> dinner.  Happy year of the dog, and I hope it isn't too "ruff."
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Re: [openhealth] Senator Endorses VistA for EHR Standard

[Joseph Dal Molin]

 > I feel a partnership between a couple of IT savyy clinicians and expert
 > programmers with a wholesome way of looking at things, can create the
 > infrastructure of the future HISs.

Nandalal, you have in one sentence described how VistA was first 
developed and evolved for the better part of its history, all be it the 
number of collaborators was much larger.

So the real issue IMHO is not designing and building the perfect system 
is but how to leverage the vast experience and knowledge that is imbeded 
in VistA's DNA.

Frankly speaking how many lives could be saved and improved by simply 
implementing VistA as far and wide as possible and at the same time 
engaging that community to improve the software? Is chasing perfection 
by starting from a clean slate worth the human opportunity cost?

Joseph



Nandalal Gunaratne wrote:
> 
> 
> Greg Woodhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:It is also 
> good to remember that medicine is still an art, not a science. Too much 
> "standardization" will not work with an art.
>   
> The human touch must prevail even in an IT enviorment.
>   
> I feel a partnership between a couple of IT savyy clinicians and expert 
> programmers with a wholesome way of looking at things, can create the 
> infrastructure of the future HISs.
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Re: [openhealth] Resurrecting OSHCA - a review

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Incorporation is the establishment of  an organization as a legal 
entitye,g, in France a company with SRL appended to its name has 
legal status. You don't have to incorporate in many countries to be a 
companyyou can be a sole proprietorbut this applies to 
individuals only.

The issue relates to the specific laws of incorporation for a 
countrymy point was that one must think a few years forward and 
determine if there are any requirements that must be retained to be 
legaly incorporated in that countrythere are also tax filing 
issues...and therefore potential language requirements.

These aren't show stoppers.just important issues to consider.

Joseph

Philippe AMELINE wrote:
> Hi Joseph,
> 
> Could you tell me what "incorporation" mean, so I can understand why, to
> the question "what happens if that person leaves the organization?", the
> simple answer "the organization finds someone else" is not valid ?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Philippe
> 
> PS : Christian, you can count me for Oshca, since I believe that this
> (virtual) organization has already done a pretty good job having many of
> us meet physically and build genuine friendships among the community.
> 
>  >One very practical reason for incoporation, assuming there is interest
>  >in organizing conferences as we did in the past is that it makes it much
>  >easier to handle money. Without this every event is subject to a zero
>  >based budget modelwe were lucky...the four conferences we organized
>  >all had sponsors who covered the risk and the costs. T
>  >
>  >The primary concern that comes to mind regarding incorporation is what
>  >happens when there is a transition in managementmost countries AFAIK
>  >require at least one director to be a citizen of that countrywhat
>  >happens if that person leaves the organization?
>  >
>  >Joseph
>  >
>  >Christian Heller wrote:
>  > 
>  >
>  >>Hi Molly,
>  >>
>  >>some weeks ago, about 22 of us mailing list members expressed their
>  >>support for incorporating OSHCA. I take the liberty to list those:
>  >>- Molly Cheah
>  >>- Brian Bray
>  >>- Adrian Midgley
>  >>- Fred Trotter
>  >>- Tim Cook
>  >>- Christian Heller
>  >>- Joseph Dal Molin
>  >>- David Chan
>  >>- Nandalal Gunaratne
>  >>- K.S. Bhaskar
>  >>- Thaddeus N. Albers
>  >>- Mike McCoy (indirectly through Joseph Dal Molin)
>  >>- Jubal John (interest in background of the key people involved)
>  >>- 7 further people who voted on the second mailing list-question
>  >>- Alric O'Connor
>  >>- Thomas Beale
>  >>(here I stopped counting)
>  >>--> about 22
>  >>
>  >>This is not that many of far more than a hundred list readers.
>  >>However, it is not few either. It is a start.
>  >>
>  >> > ... champion, promote, co-ordinate, collaborate etc open source
>  >>applications
>  >> > in health care.
>  >> > ... "The Open Source Health Care Alliance is a collaborative forum to
>  >> > ... "OSHCA is a community of people in the health care and informatics
>  >>
>  >>Nevertheless, I was asking myself again for reasons to get OSHCA
>  >>incorporated: A website might suffice to promote OSHCA; a mailing list
>  >>to collaborate; coordination between projects may not necessarily be
>  >>needed as every project follows its own ideas/technologies anyway.
>  >>
>  >>A common website could serve as portal providing lists and evaluations
>  >>of our projects -- what was lately asked for in this list again.
>  >>But there are already plenty of such portals (Debian-Med etc.).
>  >>Some of these portals just lack the necessary continuity and updates.
>  >>
>  >>Most of us have their own project and invest considerable time into it.
>  >>I for one do not have many resources and will to contribute much to
>  >>organisational/paper work for OSHCA, since concrete results will be few.
>  >>It is my guess that many other project developers have similar thoughts.
>  >>
>  >>So let us look for more points speaking for an incorporated OSHCA!
>  >>A list of concrete reasons to incorporate OSHCA coming to my mind:
>  >>- organise conferences (seems to be easier for booking places etc.)
>  >>- get publicity (taken more seriously than a loose group of people)
>  >>- approach governments and large corporations
>  >>- ask for funding
>  >>
>  >>If some

Re: [openhealth] Resurrecting OSHCA - a review

[Joseph Dal Molin]

One very practical reason for incoporation, assuming there is interest 
in organizing conferences as we did in the past is that it makes it much 
easier to handle money. Without this every event is subject to a zero 
based budget modelwe were lucky...the four conferences we organized 
all had sponsors who covered the risk and the costs. T

The primary concern that comes to mind regarding incorporation is what 
happens when there is a transition in managementmost countries AFAIK 
require at least one director to be a citizen of that countrywhat 
happens if that person leaves the organization?

Joseph

Christian Heller wrote:
> Hi Molly,
> 
> some weeks ago, about 22 of us mailing list members expressed their
> support for incorporating OSHCA. I take the liberty to list those:
> - Molly Cheah
> - Brian Bray
> - Adrian Midgley
> - Fred Trotter
> - Tim Cook
> - Christian Heller
> - Joseph Dal Molin
> - David Chan
> - Nandalal Gunaratne
> - K.S. Bhaskar
> - Thaddeus N. Albers
> - Mike McCoy (indirectly through Joseph Dal Molin)
> - Jubal John (interest in background of the key people involved)
> - 7 further people who voted on the second mailing list-question
> - Alric O'Connor
> - Thomas Beale
> (here I stopped counting)
> --> about 22
> 
> This is not that many of far more than a hundred list readers.
> However, it is not few either. It is a start.
> 
>  > ... champion, promote, co-ordinate, collaborate etc open source 
> applications
>  > in health care.
>  > ... "The Open Source Health Care Alliance is a collaborative forum to
>  > ... "OSHCA is a community of people in the health care and informatics
> 
> Nevertheless, I was asking myself again for reasons to get OSHCA
> incorporated: A website might suffice to promote OSHCA; a mailing list
> to collaborate; coordination between projects may not necessarily be
> needed as every project follows its own ideas/technologies anyway.
> 
> A common website could serve as portal providing lists and evaluations
> of our projects -- what was lately asked for in this list again.
> But there are already plenty of such portals (Debian-Med etc.).
> Some of these portals just lack the necessary continuity and updates.
> 
> Most of us have their own project and invest considerable time into it.
> I for one do not have many resources and will to contribute much to
> organisational/paper work for OSHCA, since concrete results will be few.
> It is my guess that many other project developers have similar thoughts.
> 
> So let us look for more points speaking for an incorporated OSHCA!
> A list of concrete reasons to incorporate OSHCA coming to my mind:
> - organise conferences (seems to be easier for booking places etc.)
> - get publicity (taken more seriously than a loose group of people)
> - approach governments and large corporations
> - ask for funding
> 
> If somebody sees more points, please add to this list!
> It should, in my opinion, only contain points that *cannot* be
> achieved with mailing list/ website/ loose group of people alone.
> Once we have identified these points, they may become OSHCA's focus.
> 
> [..]
>  > next steps to form the protem committee and get OSHCA incorporated. We
>  > also need to decide where OSHCA should be incorporated - developed or
>  > developing country and then zoom into deciding the specific country.
> 
> Correct steps.
> 
> It doesn't matter much to me in which country OSHCA gets incorporated, as
> long as it is a democratic one, and without "ruling-the-world" tendencies.
> Perhaps a developing country is even better, since it may better know
> what is really needed urgently.
> 
>  > My apologies for this "lengthy" e-mail. Just to make up for the lapse
>  >  :) I still have the list of volunteers for the protem committee. In
>  > between someone requested for a short write-up of each as well
> 
> Such a write-up should also contain which open source software (OSS)
> project or other organisation people represent, i.e. in which area
> of OSS they are active.
> 
> Well done, Molly! ... and a quite short extract (as I like it).
> 
> Thanks,
> Christian
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Re: [openhealth] Re: Open Source Clinical Messaging Software

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Yes indeed there are many new ones:



Search results for hl7

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   HAPI (pronounced "happy") is a Java-based HL7 2.x parser with 
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   This is an Open Source version of the Health Level 7 protocols 
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Re: [openhealth] OSS collections

[Joseph Dal Molin]

Having architected the SPIRIT site (www.euspirit.org)one that 
unfortunately fell into the "updated a couple of years ago" category...I 
  feel very strongly that there is a need for an objective, idealy 
evidence based site of this kind and would be happy to share my 
experience and brainstorm. Obviously a key design priniciple is 
sustainability...and comparability to information provided for non open 
source systems.

Joseph

Benjamin Jung wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I was trying to find a website that lists Open Source Applications used
> in Healthcare and their status, e.g. obsolete, beta, stable,... A quick
> Google search returned some pages that list applications, but they do
> not go into more details. Additionally, most of these 'link collection
> pages' have been updated only "a couple of years ago".
> 
> Are you aware of any such websites that give up-to-date information?
> If not:
> Do you think such a site would be beneficial to market OSS in healthcare
> in one single place?
> Anybody interested in some initial email brain storming?
> 
> Imagine a physician/hospital/lab that is looking for an Open Source
> application for a specific purpose. Where do they get comprehensive,
> comparable information? Some applications are hosted on sites such as
> sourceforge and freshmeat; others aren't. Some applications are
> mentioned regularily in News and Blogs; others aren't. Some applications
> are being taught and introduced at university; others aren't.
> 
> Benjamin
> 
> -- 
> Benjamin Jung
> Health Information Science
> University of Victoria
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[openhealth] [Fwd: Open Source and Sustainability 2006: call for papers]

[Joseph Dal Molin]

apologies to those who have received this already.

Joseph

 Original Message 
Subject: Open Source and Sustainability 2006: call for papers
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:46:12 +
From: Randy Metcalfe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

*Open Source and Sustainability 2006: call for papers*
deadline: 30 January 2006

Open source has proved itself as a development and distribution model
that can deliver software which is functional, efficient, innovative,
and cost-effective. What is the long-term future? What is the best model
for sustainability? Do different models succeed equally well?

This conference will look at open source sustainability from the point
of view of

* *strategic funding bodies* seeking to maximise their investment
through open source development
* *universities and colleges* entangling their infrastructure and
pedagogical environments with open source software
* *software development projects* seeking to perpetuate themselves
through building communities
* *businesses* basing their sustainability on an open source business model

The conference will consist of a mixture of plenary talks and 3 parallel
workshops.

Parallel sessions will each be one hour in length. They may consist of a
workshop, a case study, a research report, a set of 3 presentations on a
single theme, a panel discussion, as well as other options.

Submissions should be sent by 30th January 2006 to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
with the following information:

1. Your name, address and contact details
2. Title for your talk
3. Description of your proposed talk - no more than 300 words please!
4. Explanation of how your proposed talk would appeal to one of the
key perspectives for the conference
   * strategic funding bodies
   * universities and colleges
   * software development projects
   * businesses
5. Type of presentation: will be a workshop, case study, short talk
(which could be included with other short talks on a similar theme), set
of 3 20-minute talks (the set of talks should all be included in the
same submission), panel discussion, debate, etc.

Papers will be reviewed by a programme committee.

Those with submissions accepted will receive a 10% discount on their
registration fee for the conference.

Conference Date: 10-12 April 2006

Conference Location: Said Business School, Oxford, UK

Conference website: http://www.oss-watch.ac.uk/events/2006-04-10-12/

To stay informed about the conference, including the call for papers and
when bookings open, please complete the expression of interest form
http://www.oss-watch.ac.uk/events/2006-04-10-12/interest.xsp

-- 
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