Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Slowaris vs. Solaris
Mika Borner wrote: Darren J Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/31/06 2:31 pm To make Solaris more attractive compared to Linux (et al.) we should dump the whole X-Window System. Let hope I am not taking you out of context on this quote, go talk to any Linux desktop guys and asked them to dump the X Window System, you will get some funny looks :). The whole of Linux desktop such as GNOME or KDE are built on top of X. X is the basis of all the GUI system for all variant of Linux that I know about :). So Solaris is not the odd one out as you may have pointed. -Ghee ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Slowaris vs. Solaris
gheet [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/03/06 4:04 pm Let hope I am not taking you out of context on this quote, go talk to any Linux desktop guys and asked them to dump the X Window System, you will get some funny looks :). The whole of Linux desktop such as GNOME or KDE are built on top of X. X is the basis of all the GUI system for all variant of Linux that I know about :). So Solaris is not the odd one out as you may have pointed. Maybe I was a little bit harsh with my comments about X. But my opinion is still, that X is in need of a major overhaul (someday...). I'm not using X that much anymore in the sense of opening remote applications. And if I do, then over an ssh tunnel, which is, accessed over e.g. an VPN Tunnel is really slow. There are better ways to open GUI applications remotly (SunRay Protocol? Tarantella? Web-Interface?). Also, I find Apple's Quartz is technically much more elegant, and you can run X on it, for legacy apps. Of course, writing a replacement for X would require a huge effort. I hope I haven't offended anyone. I still use X alot, but I also use Quartz, and this allows me to compare. PS: Sorry for the disclaimer, but I am not able to remove it... - This message is intended for the addressee only and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended receiver, any disclosure, copying to any person or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on this e-mail, is prohibited and may be un- lawful. You must therefore delete this e-mail. Internet communications may not be secure or error-free and may contain viruses. They may be subject to possible data corruption, accidental or on purpose. This e-mail is not and should not be construed as an offer or the solicitation of an offer to purchase or subscribe or sell or redeem any investments. - ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Slowaris vs. Solaris
Mika Borner wrote: I'm not using X that much anymore in the sense of opening remote applications. But if you're displaying anything locally you're still using X. Remote display is free - don't use it if you don't want to, but it doesn't hurt to have the option. -- -Alan Coopersmith- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Slowaris vs. Solaris
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, how do you do this on 1000 Macs? Remote AppleScript. -- Darren J Moffat ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Slowaris vs. Solaris
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, how do you do this on 1000 Macs? Remote AppleScript. And that's a GUI? Casper ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Slowaris vs. Solaris
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, how do you do this on 1000 Macs? Remote AppleScript. And that's a GUI? Can be or it can just be scripting to interact with the GUI elements remotely. If one is running, presumably? Casper ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Slowaris vs. Solaris
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, how do you do this on 1000 Macs? Remote AppleScript. And that's a GUI? Can be or it can just be scripting to interact with the GUI elements remotely. If one is running, presumably? I don't know how it works; but I do know that you can certainly startup the programs and then talk to them with AppleScript. For example startup iPhoto, select the pictures in this named album and give me the list of all the underlying images files that implement it. I don't know if that would need the iPhoto GUI to come up or not I think it depends on the individual components, the processes certainly need to run. -- Darren J Moffat ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Slowaris vs. Solaris
Darren J Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/31/06 2:31 pm I also think that Apple does provide sufficient control over system config these days. No longer is it a don't touch but instead they have sufficient legacy in doing stuff through the GUI because there was no CLI that they understand how to arrange a GUI so it doesn't feel slow and clunky to experience people. The critical think I think though is AppleScript - being able to interact with the GUI progamatically like you would with the UNIX shell is great. To make Solaris more attractive compared to Linux (et al.) we should dump the whole X-Window System. Sun should, as they did e.g. with replacing the init scripts with smf, make a paradigm shift. The X-Window system was ok years ago, when there were no web browser based applications, and administration tools had to be opened remotly. When was the last time you opened xclock remotly? :-) IMHO Apple did the right thing with dumping X for Aqua with the possibility of runnin X on top of it, for legacy apps. Let's face it, X should die. We need something new. - This message is intended for the addressee only and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended receiver, any disclosure, copying to any person or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on this e-mail, is prohibited and may be un- lawful. You must therefore delete this e-mail. Internet communications may not be secure or error-free and may contain viruses. They may be subject to possible data corruption, accidental or on purpose. This e-mail is not and should not be construed as an offer or the solicitation of an offer to purchase or subscribe or sell or redeem any investments. - ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Slowaris vs. Solaris
IMHO Apple did the right thing with dumping X for Aqua with the possibility of runnin X on top of it, for legacy apps. Let's face it, X should die. We need something new. Sorry, what's wrong with X? X must die is a bit of a broad brush. I'm currently displaying around 10 remote xterms, so I use that bit a lot. What people most object to with X is the programs written for X, not X itself. Or is there something particularly Xish which you believe is wrong? Casper ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Slowaris vs. Solaris
On Fri, 2006-03-31 at 14:33, Mika Borner wrote: To make Solaris more attractive compared to Linux (et al.) we should dump the whole X-Window System. To be replaced with what? And to what purpose? All this does is force you to rewrite all your graphical applications, and puts up a barrier discouraging people from writing applications for Solaris. Big cost, no gain. When was the last time you opened xclock remotly? xclock? Don't know. But I open xterms, emacs, and java apps all the time. Not to mention web browsers and acroread. And lots of other stuff. I use the networked capabilities of X all the time. -- -Peter Tribble L.I.S., University of Hertfordshire - http://www.herts.ac.uk/ http://www.petertribble.co.uk/ - http://ptribble.blogspot.com/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Slowaris vs. Solaris
Mika Borner wrote: To make Solaris more attractive compared to Linux (et al.) we should dump the whole X-Window System. Sorry, but that's simply not possible. To start with, we simply couldn't replace all the video drivers on our own. This message is intended for the addressee only and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended receiver, any disclosure, copying to any person or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on this e-mail, is prohibited and may be un- lawful. You must therefore delete this e-mail. Disclaimers like this have no place on publically archived open mailing lists. -- -Alan Coopersmith- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
