Re: [openstack-dev] [tripleo] PTG space request

[Eoghan Glynn]

- Original Message -
> 
> > > > >>> I would like to request for some space dedicated to TripleO project
> > > > >>> for the first OpenStack PTG.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> https://www.openstack.org/ptg/
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> The event will happen in February 2017 during the next PTG in
> > > > >>> Atlanta.
> > > > >>> Any feedback is welcome,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Just a quick note: as you can imagine we have finite space at the
> > > > >> event,
> > > > >> and the OpenStack Foundation wants to give priority to teams which
> > > > >> have
> > > > >> a diverse affiliation (or which are not tagged "single-vendor").
> > > > >> Depending on which teams decide to take advantage of the event and
> > > > >> which
> > > > >> don't, we may or may not be able to offer space to single-vendor
> > > > >> projects -- and TripleO is currently tagged single-vendor.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks for the feedback Thierry, I can understand the need to somehow
> > > > > keep
> > > > > PTG space requirements bounded, but I would agree with Emilien and
> > > > > Eoghan
> > > > > that perhaps the single-vendor tag is too coarse a metric with which
> > > > > to
> > > > > judge all projects (it really doesn't capture cross-project
> > > > > collaboration
> > > > > at all IMO).
> > > > > 
> > > > > One of the main goals of TripleO is using OpenStack projects where
> > > > > possible, and as such we have a very broad range of cross project
> > > > > collaboration happening, and clearly the PTG is the ideal forum for
> > > > > such
> > > > > discussions.
> > > > 
> > > > Indeed, I totally agree.
> > > > 
> > > > While at this stage we can't *guarantee* space for TripleO, I really
> > > > hope that we'll be able to provide space. One interesting factor is
> > > > that
> > > > there should be less tension for space in the "horizontal" part of the
> > > > week than in the "vertical" part of the week**. TripleO's cross-cutting
> > > > nature makes it a good fit for the "horizontal" segment, so I'm hopeful
> > > > we can make that work. We should know very soon, once we collect the
> > > > results of the PTL survey. Stay tuned!
> > > > 
> > > > ** The PTG week is split between horizontal team meetings
> > > > (Monday/Tuesday) and vertical team meetings (Wednesday-Friday). As we
> > > > have more vertical teams than horizontal teams (and the space is the
> > > > same size), we /should/ have more flexibility to add horizontal stuff.
> > > 
> > > This split in the PTG week raises an obvious question ...
> > > 
> > > Do we expect the horizontal folks to skip town by mid-week, or to hang
> > > around without a home-room in order to talk to the vertical folks who
> > > put the "project" in "cross-project"?
> > > 
> > > Conversely, do we expect the vertical teams to turn up on the Monday in
> > > order to collaborate with the horizontal teams? (similarly without a
> > > project room for the first 2 days?)
> > > 
> > > Cheers,
> > > Eoghan
> > > 
> > 
> > We expect the "horizontal folks" and "vertical teams" to be the same
> > people, focusing on different things on different days of the week. We
> > *hope* to enable more contributions to horizontal teams as a result.
> 
> OK, that assumption could be at least partially true, especially for say
> horizontal efforts such as release-mgmt, VMT, upgrades, API-WG & such,
> and in general the type of concerns that are generally aired on the cross-
> project track at summit.
> 
> However it misses the fact that TripleO, as well as having many touch-points
> with other projects, also has its own vertical personality as an individual
> project, and so will also need space to have discussions about issues more
> internal to the project.
> 
> For such a project, assigning it to the horizontal bucket (Wed-Fri) feels

Now I've gone and confused myself ... I meant the *vertical bucket (Wed-FRi).

> more appropriate. I'd expect joint sessions between projects (e.g.TripleO/
> Ironic or Nova/Cinder) would still be help during the "vertical" portion
> of the week, especially if there's a trend towards some project-specific
> contributors limiting their attendance to those 3 days.
> 
> Cheers,
> Eoghan
> 
> 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [tripleo] PTG space request

[Eoghan Glynn]

> > > >>> I would like to request for some space dedicated to TripleO project
> > > >>> for the first OpenStack PTG.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> https://www.openstack.org/ptg/
> > > >>>
> > > >>> The event will happen in February 2017 during the next PTG in
> > > >>> Atlanta.
> > > >>> Any feedback is welcome,
> > > >>
> > > >> Just a quick note: as you can imagine we have finite space at the
> > > >> event,
> > > >> and the OpenStack Foundation wants to give priority to teams which
> > > >> have
> > > >> a diverse affiliation (or which are not tagged "single-vendor").
> > > >> Depending on which teams decide to take advantage of the event and
> > > >> which
> > > >> don't, we may or may not be able to offer space to single-vendor
> > > >> projects -- and TripleO is currently tagged single-vendor.
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks for the feedback Thierry, I can understand the need to somehow
> > > > keep
> > > > PTG space requirements bounded, but I would agree with Emilien and
> > > > Eoghan
> > > > that perhaps the single-vendor tag is too coarse a metric with which to
> > > > judge all projects (it really doesn't capture cross-project
> > > > collaboration
> > > > at all IMO).
> > > > 
> > > > One of the main goals of TripleO is using OpenStack projects where
> > > > possible, and as such we have a very broad range of cross project
> > > > collaboration happening, and clearly the PTG is the ideal forum for
> > > > such
> > > > discussions.
> > > 
> > > Indeed, I totally agree.
> > > 
> > > While at this stage we can't *guarantee* space for TripleO, I really
> > > hope that we'll be able to provide space. One interesting factor is that
> > > there should be less tension for space in the "horizontal" part of the
> > > week than in the "vertical" part of the week**. TripleO's cross-cutting
> > > nature makes it a good fit for the "horizontal" segment, so I'm hopeful
> > > we can make that work. We should know very soon, once we collect the
> > > results of the PTL survey. Stay tuned!
> > > 
> > > ** The PTG week is split between horizontal team meetings
> > > (Monday/Tuesday) and vertical team meetings (Wednesday-Friday). As we
> > > have more vertical teams than horizontal teams (and the space is the
> > > same size), we /should/ have more flexibility to add horizontal stuff.
> > 
> > This split in the PTG week raises an obvious question ...
> > 
> > Do we expect the horizontal folks to skip town by mid-week, or to hang
> > around without a home-room in order to talk to the vertical folks who
> > put the "project" in "cross-project"?
> > 
> > Conversely, do we expect the vertical teams to turn up on the Monday in
> > order to collaborate with the horizontal teams? (similarly without a
> > project room for the first 2 days?)
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Eoghan
> > 
> 
> We expect the "horizontal folks" and "vertical teams" to be the same
> people, focusing on different things on different days of the week. We
> *hope* to enable more contributions to horizontal teams as a result.

OK, that assumption could be at least partially true, especially for say
horizontal efforts such as release-mgmt, VMT, upgrades, API-WG & such,
and in general the type of concerns that are generally aired on the cross-
project track at summit.

However it misses the fact that TripleO, as well as having many touch-points
with other projects, also has its own vertical personality as an individual
project, and so will also need space to have discussions about issues more
internal to the project.

For such a project, assigning it to the horizontal bucket (Wed-Fri) feels
more appropriate. I'd expect joint sessions between projects (e.g.TripleO/
Ironic or Nova/Cinder) would still be help during the "vertical" portion
of the week, especially if there's a trend towards some project-specific
contributors limiting their attendance to those 3 days.

Cheers,
Eoghan



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Re: [openstack-dev] [tripleo] PTG space request

[Thierry Carrez]

Doug Hellmann wrote:
> Excerpts from Eoghan Glynn's message of 2016-10-13 05:45:59 -0400:
>>> ** The PTG week is split between horizontal team meetings
>>> (Monday/Tuesday) and vertical team meetings (Wednesday-Friday). As we
>>> have more vertical teams than horizontal teams (and the space is the
>>> same size), we /should/ have more flexibility to add horizontal stuff.
>>
>> This split in the PTG week raises an obvious question ...
>>
>> Do we expect the horizontal folks to skip town by mid-week, or to hang
>> around without a home-room in order to talk to the vertical folks who
>> put the "project" in "cross-project"?
>>
>> Conversely, do we expect the vertical teams to turn up on the Monday in
>> order to collaborate with the horizontal teams? (similarly without a
>> project room for the first 2 days?)
>>
> We expect the "horizontal folks" and "vertical teams" to be the same
> people, focusing on different things on different days of the week. We
> *hope* to enable more contributions to horizontal teams as a result.

Yes. We obviously can't force anyone to stay for the whole week when
their main focus is on a specific team. But at least the new format
makes it *possible* for people to get involved in an horizontal effort
(and for members of cross-project efforts to stay around to assist
specific teams).

-- 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [tripleo] PTG space request

[Doug Hellmann]

Excerpts from Eoghan Glynn's message of 2016-10-13 05:45:59 -0400:
> 
> > >>> I would like to request for some space dedicated to TripleO project
> > >>> for the first OpenStack PTG.
> > >>>
> > >>> https://www.openstack.org/ptg/
> > >>>
> > >>> The event will happen in February 2017 during the next PTG in Atlanta.
> > >>> Any feedback is welcome,
> > >>
> > >> Just a quick note: as you can imagine we have finite space at the event,
> > >> and the OpenStack Foundation wants to give priority to teams which have
> > >> a diverse affiliation (or which are not tagged "single-vendor").
> > >> Depending on which teams decide to take advantage of the event and which
> > >> don't, we may or may not be able to offer space to single-vendor
> > >> projects -- and TripleO is currently tagged single-vendor.
> > > 
> > > Thanks for the feedback Thierry, I can understand the need to somehow keep
> > > PTG space requirements bounded, but I would agree with Emilien and Eoghan
> > > that perhaps the single-vendor tag is too coarse a metric with which to
> > > judge all projects (it really doesn't capture cross-project collaboration
> > > at all IMO).
> > > 
> > > One of the main goals of TripleO is using OpenStack projects where
> > > possible, and as such we have a very broad range of cross project
> > > collaboration happening, and clearly the PTG is the ideal forum for such
> > > discussions.
> > 
> > Indeed, I totally agree.
> > 
> > While at this stage we can't *guarantee* space for TripleO, I really
> > hope that we'll be able to provide space. One interesting factor is that
> > there should be less tension for space in the "horizontal" part of the
> > week than in the "vertical" part of the week**. TripleO's cross-cutting
> > nature makes it a good fit for the "horizontal" segment, so I'm hopeful
> > we can make that work. We should know very soon, once we collect the
> > results of the PTL survey. Stay tuned!
> > 
> > ** The PTG week is split between horizontal team meetings
> > (Monday/Tuesday) and vertical team meetings (Wednesday-Friday). As we
> > have more vertical teams than horizontal teams (and the space is the
> > same size), we /should/ have more flexibility to add horizontal stuff.
> 
> This split in the PTG week raises an obvious question ...
> 
> Do we expect the horizontal folks to skip town by mid-week, or to hang
> around without a home-room in order to talk to the vertical folks who
> put the "project" in "cross-project"?
> 
> Conversely, do we expect the vertical teams to turn up on the Monday in
> order to collaborate with the horizontal teams? (similarly without a
> project room for the first 2 days?)
> 
> Cheers,
> Eoghan
> 

We expect the "horizontal folks" and "vertical teams" to be the same
people, focusing on different things on different days of the week. We
*hope* to enable more contributions to horizontal teams as a result.

Doug

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Re: [openstack-dev] [tripleo] PTG space request

[Hayes, Graham]

On 12/10/2016 10:31, Thierry Carrez wrote:
> Emilien Macchi wrote:
>> I would like to request for some space dedicated to TripleO project
>> for the first OpenStack PTG.
>>
>> https://www.openstack.org/ptg/
>>
>> The event will happen in February 2017 during the next PTG in Atlanta.
>> Any feedback is welcome,
>
> Just a quick note: as you can imagine we have finite space at the event,
> and the OpenStack Foundation wants to give priority to teams which have
> a diverse affiliation (or which are not tagged "single-vendor").
> Depending on which teams decide to take advantage of the event and which
> don't, we may or may not be able to offer space to single-vendor
> projects -- and TripleO is currently tagged single-vendor.
>
> The rationale is, the more organizations are involved in a given project
> team, the more value there is to offer common meeting space to that team
> for them to sync on priorities and get stuff done. If more than 90% of
> contributions / reviews / core reviewers come from a single
> organization, there is less coordination needs and less value in having
> all those people from a single org to travel to a distant place to have
> a team meeting. And as far as recruitment of new team members go (to
> increase that diversity), the OpenStack Summit will be a better venue to
> do that.
>
> I hope we'll be able to accommodate you, though. And in all cases
> TripleO people are more than welcome to join the event to coordinate
> with other teams. It's just not 100% sure we'll be able to give you a
> dedicated room for multiple days. We should know better in a week or so,
> once we get a good idea of who plans to meet at the event and who doesn't.
>

For me, this is somewhat concerning. When the PTG was proposed, It was
suggested as a replacement for Mid Cycles, with a design summit at the
right point.

I thought it was a good idea, but I never thought that we would have a
situation where there was a possibility to turn away projects that:

a) Traditionally had mid cycles
b) Was an active user of design summit space.

What I am getting from this is a very real chance that some projects
will now have 3 things in a 6 month cycle they need to do.

PTG - to do cross project work (If I had to fly transatlantic for 2
days of cross project, with no room for my project after that, I would
not be happy)

Mid Cycle / Self Hosted design summit - as we do not have space anymore
at the traditional summit, or the PTG

Traditional Summit - close the loop with users / Ops / employer tasks.

If I proposed this I might get 2 of 3, and I know what I would be
dropping (hint - its the one with 24 hours of traveling for maybe 16
hours of face to face).

I foresee quite a lot of cross project disengagement from smaller teams
if this is how we are going to proceed.

We are also getting back to the old catch-22 issue we had in the
incubation / integration days - its harder to get diversity of
contributors up, if a project are not at the PTG, but the project
won't be guaranteed space, due to the lack of diversity.


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Re: [openstack-dev] [tripleo] PTG space request

[Eoghan Glynn]

> >>> I would like to request for some space dedicated to TripleO project
> >>> for the first OpenStack PTG.
> >>>
> >>> https://www.openstack.org/ptg/
> >>>
> >>> The event will happen in February 2017 during the next PTG in Atlanta.
> >>> Any feedback is welcome,
> >>
> >> Just a quick note: as you can imagine we have finite space at the event,
> >> and the OpenStack Foundation wants to give priority to teams which have
> >> a diverse affiliation (or which are not tagged "single-vendor").
> >> Depending on which teams decide to take advantage of the event and which
> >> don't, we may or may not be able to offer space to single-vendor
> >> projects -- and TripleO is currently tagged single-vendor.
> > 
> > Thanks for the feedback Thierry, I can understand the need to somehow keep
> > PTG space requirements bounded, but I would agree with Emilien and Eoghan
> > that perhaps the single-vendor tag is too coarse a metric with which to
> > judge all projects (it really doesn't capture cross-project collaboration
> > at all IMO).
> > 
> > One of the main goals of TripleO is using OpenStack projects where
> > possible, and as such we have a very broad range of cross project
> > collaboration happening, and clearly the PTG is the ideal forum for such
> > discussions.
> 
> Indeed, I totally agree.
> 
> While at this stage we can't *guarantee* space for TripleO, I really
> hope that we'll be able to provide space. One interesting factor is that
> there should be less tension for space in the "horizontal" part of the
> week than in the "vertical" part of the week**. TripleO's cross-cutting
> nature makes it a good fit for the "horizontal" segment, so I'm hopeful
> we can make that work. We should know very soon, once we collect the
> results of the PTL survey. Stay tuned!
> 
> ** The PTG week is split between horizontal team meetings
> (Monday/Tuesday) and vertical team meetings (Wednesday-Friday). As we
> have more vertical teams than horizontal teams (and the space is the
> same size), we /should/ have more flexibility to add horizontal stuff.

This split in the PTG week raises an obvious question ...

Do we expect the horizontal folks to skip town by mid-week, or to hang
around without a home-room in order to talk to the vertical folks who
put the "project" in "cross-project"?

Conversely, do we expect the vertical teams to turn up on the Monday in
order to collaborate with the horizontal teams? (similarly without a
project room for the first 2 days?)

Cheers,
Eoghan

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Re: [openstack-dev] [tripleo] PTG space request

[Thierry Carrez]

Steven Hardy wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 11:28:00AM +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote:
>> Emilien Macchi wrote:
>>> I would like to request for some space dedicated to TripleO project
>>> for the first OpenStack PTG.
>>>
>>> https://www.openstack.org/ptg/
>>>
>>> The event will happen in February 2017 during the next PTG in Atlanta.
>>> Any feedback is welcome,
>>
>> Just a quick note: as you can imagine we have finite space at the event,
>> and the OpenStack Foundation wants to give priority to teams which have
>> a diverse affiliation (or which are not tagged "single-vendor").
>> Depending on which teams decide to take advantage of the event and which
>> don't, we may or may not be able to offer space to single-vendor
>> projects -- and TripleO is currently tagged single-vendor.
> 
> Thanks for the feedback Thierry, I can understand the need to somehow keep
> PTG space requirements bounded, but I would agree with Emilien and Eoghan
> that perhaps the single-vendor tag is too coarse a metric with which to
> judge all projects (it really doesn't capture cross-project collaboration
> at all IMO).
> 
> One of the main goals of TripleO is using OpenStack projects where
> possible, and as such we have a very broad range of cross project
> collaboration happening, and clearly the PTG is the ideal forum for such
> discussions.

Indeed, I totally agree.

While at this stage we can't *guarantee* space for TripleO, I really
hope that we'll be able to provide space. One interesting factor is that
there should be less tension for space in the "horizontal" part of the
week than in the "vertical" part of the week**. TripleO's cross-cutting
nature makes it a good fit for the "horizontal" segment, so I'm hopeful
we can make that work. We should know very soon, once we collect the
results of the PTL survey. Stay tuned!

** The PTG week is split between horizontal team meetings
(Monday/Tuesday) and vertical team meetings (Wednesday-Friday). As we
have more vertical teams than horizontal teams (and the space is the
same size), we /should/ have more flexibility to add horizontal stuff.

-- 
Thierry Carrez (ttx)

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Re: [openstack-dev] [tripleo] PTG space request

[Steven Hardy]

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 11:28:00AM +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote:
> Emilien Macchi wrote:
> > I would like to request for some space dedicated to TripleO project
> > for the first OpenStack PTG.
> > 
> > https://www.openstack.org/ptg/
> > 
> > The event will happen in February 2017 during the next PTG in Atlanta.
> > Any feedback is welcome,
> 
> Just a quick note: as you can imagine we have finite space at the event,
> and the OpenStack Foundation wants to give priority to teams which have
> a diverse affiliation (or which are not tagged "single-vendor").
> Depending on which teams decide to take advantage of the event and which
> don't, we may or may not be able to offer space to single-vendor
> projects -- and TripleO is currently tagged single-vendor.

Thanks for the feedback Thierry, I can understand the need to somehow keep
PTG space requirements bounded, but I would agree with Emilien and Eoghan
that perhaps the single-vendor tag is too coarse a metric with which to
judge all projects (it really doesn't capture cross-project collaboration
at all IMO).

One of the main goals of TripleO is using OpenStack projects where
possible, and as such we have a very broad range of cross project
collaboration happening, and clearly the PTG is the ideal forum for such
discussions.

> The rationale is, the more organizations are involved in a given project
> team, the more value there is to offer common meeting space to that team
> for them to sync on priorities and get stuff done. If more than 90% of
> contributions / reviews / core reviewers come from a single
> organization, there is less coordination needs and less value in having
> all those people from a single org to travel to a distant place to have
> a team meeting.

One aspect not considered by this is that some projects have a large number
of contributors who are also involved with other projects e.g we have
regular contributors who are also deeply involved in Heat, Ironic, Mistral,
Keystone, Kolla, etc.  So we've typically got huge value from cross-project
discussion during the design summit (and attendance of folks from other
teams in the TripleO sessions).

> I hope we'll be able to accommodate you, though. And in all cases
> TripleO people are more than welcome to join the event to coordinate
> with other teams. It's just not 100% sure we'll be able to give you a
> dedicated room for multiple days. We should know better in a week or so,
> once we get a good idea of who plans to meet at the event and who doesn't.

Sure, we could have TripleO folks go to these project PTGs but it's going
to be something of a fragmented set of discussions if we can't then tie the
cross-project requirements together into design discussions related to the
TripleO roadmap (and have the relevant folks from other teams in the
TripleO sessions).

Hopefully it will work out and there will be space available, otherwise
we'll have to consider our plan-b, thanks!

Steve

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Re: [openstack-dev] [tripleo] PTG space request

[Eoghan Glynn]

> Emilien Macchi wrote:
> > I would like to request for some space dedicated to TripleO project
> > for the first OpenStack PTG.
> > 
> > https://www.openstack.org/ptg/
> > 
> > The event will happen in February 2017 during the next PTG in Atlanta.
> > Any feedback is welcome,
> 
> Just a quick note: as you can imagine we have finite space at the event,
> and the OpenStack Foundation wants to give priority to teams which have
> a diverse affiliation (or which are not tagged "single-vendor").
> Depending on which teams decide to take advantage of the event and which
> don't, we may or may not be able to offer space to single-vendor
> projects -- and TripleO is currently tagged single-vendor.
> 
> The rationale is, the more organizations are involved in a given project
> team, the more value there is to offer common meeting space to that team
> for them to sync on priorities and get stuff done.

One of the professed primary purposes of splitting off the PTG was to enable
cross-project collaboration, so as to avoid horizontally-oriented contributors
needing to attend multiple midcycle meetups.

Denying PTG space to a project that clearly requires an immense amount of
cross-project collaboration seems to run counter to those stated goals.

The need for cross-project collaboration seems to me orthogonal to the
diversity of corporate affiliation within any individual project, given
the potential diversity within the other projects they may need to
collaborate with.

So the criteria applied should concentrate less on individual project
diversity, and much more on the cross-cutting nature of that project's
concerns.

Cheers,
Eoghan

> If more than 90% of
> contributions / reviews / core reviewers come from a single
> organization, there is less coordination needs and less value in having
> all those people from a single org to travel to a distant place to have
> a team meeting. And as far as recruitment of new team members go (to
> increase that diversity), the OpenStack Summit will be a better venue to
> do that.
> 
> I hope we'll be able to accommodate you, though. And in all cases
> TripleO people are more than welcome to join the event to coordinate
> with other teams. It's just not 100% sure we'll be able to give you a
> dedicated room for multiple days. We should know better in a week or so,
> once we get a good idea of who plans to meet at the event and who doesn't.


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Re: [openstack-dev] [tripleo] PTG space request

[Emilien Macchi]

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 5:28 AM, Thierry Carrez  wrote:
> Emilien Macchi wrote:
>> I would like to request for some space dedicated to TripleO project
>> for the first OpenStack PTG.
>>
>> https://www.openstack.org/ptg/
>>
>> The event will happen in February 2017 during the next PTG in Atlanta.
>> Any feedback is welcome,
>
> Just a quick note: as you can imagine we have finite space at the event,
> and the OpenStack Foundation wants to give priority to teams which have
> a diverse affiliation (or which are not tagged "single-vendor").
> Depending on which teams decide to take advantage of the event and which
> don't, we may or may not be able to offer space to single-vendor
> projects -- and TripleO is currently tagged single-vendor.

I understand that space is limited and it is true to mention TripleO
has the single-vendor tag.
Although this tag, TripleO has a lot of horizontal interactions with
others projects in OpenStack:

- Ironic, used to bootstrap the TripleO overcloud. Ironic folks could
weight we have a bunch of common work there.
- Heat, used to orchestrate the TripleO overcloud deployment (and soon
the undercloud too).
- Puppet OpenStack modules. Despite PuppetOpenStack project might skip
PTG because we don't need it [1] until now, we still have a lot of
collaboration between both groups.
- OpenStack Infra. TripleO & Infra folks keep increasing the
collaboration on multiple topics (third party CI, multinode jobs,
etc).

[1] http://osdir.com/ml/openstack-dev/2016-10/msg00311.html

I might have missed it, but did we document PTG allocation space
priorities? If not, we might want to make it clear in the
single-vendor tag doc.
I'm concerned by the fact whether or not space is granted for a
project would be a subjective decision to take.

> The rationale is, the more organizations are involved in a given project
> team, the more value there is to offer common meeting space to that team
> for them to sync on priorities and get stuff done. If more than 90% of
> contributions / reviews / core reviewers come from a single
> organization, there is less coordination needs and less value in having
> all those people from a single org to travel to a distant place to have
> a team meeting. And as far as recruitment of new team members go (to
> increase that diversity), the OpenStack Summit will be a better venue to
> do that.
>
> I hope we'll be able to accommodate you, though. And in all cases
> TripleO people are more than welcome to join the event to coordinate
> with other teams. It's just not 100% sure we'll be able to give you a
> dedicated room for multiple days. We should know better in a week or so,
> once we get a good idea of who plans to meet at the event and who doesn't.

ack. I'll follow what happens. I appreciate your quick feedback, that
will let us to find a fallback in case of rejection.

Thanks,
-- 
Emilien Macchi

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Re: [openstack-dev] [tripleo] PTG space request

[Thierry Carrez]

Emilien Macchi wrote:
> I would like to request for some space dedicated to TripleO project
> for the first OpenStack PTG.
> 
> https://www.openstack.org/ptg/
> 
> The event will happen in February 2017 during the next PTG in Atlanta.
> Any feedback is welcome,

Just a quick note: as you can imagine we have finite space at the event,
and the OpenStack Foundation wants to give priority to teams which have
a diverse affiliation (or which are not tagged "single-vendor").
Depending on which teams decide to take advantage of the event and which
don't, we may or may not be able to offer space to single-vendor
projects -- and TripleO is currently tagged single-vendor.

The rationale is, the more organizations are involved in a given project
team, the more value there is to offer common meeting space to that team
for them to sync on priorities and get stuff done. If more than 90% of
contributions / reviews / core reviewers come from a single
organization, there is less coordination needs and less value in having
all those people from a single org to travel to a distant place to have
a team meeting. And as far as recruitment of new team members go (to
increase that diversity), the OpenStack Summit will be a better venue to
do that.

I hope we'll be able to accommodate you, though. And in all cases
TripleO people are more than welcome to join the event to coordinate
with other teams. It's just not 100% sure we'll be able to give you a
dedicated room for multiple days. We should know better in a week or so,
once we get a good idea of who plans to meet at the event and who doesn't.

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[openstack-dev] [tripleo] PTG space request

[Emilien Macchi]

Greetings,

I would like to request for some space dedicated to TripleO project
for the first OpenStack PTG.

https://www.openstack.org/ptg/

The event will happen in February 2017 during the next PTG in Atlanta.

Any feedback is welcome,
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