Re: Job board support on openwrt.org?

[Philip Prindeville]

> On Jan 26, 2021, at 2:09 PM, Paul Oranje  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> Op 22 jan. 2021, om 20:03 heeft Daniel Golle  het 
>> volgende geschreven:
>> 
>> Hi Philip,
>> 
>> On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 11:23:42AM -0700, Philip Prindeville wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Is anyone interested in adding a page to the openwrt.org site about 
>>> developers willing to do commercial work?
>>> 
>>> It could be as simple as:
>>> 
>>> * name
>>> * email address
>>> * mobile (if wanted)
>>> * packages/platforms/architectures you maintain or have competence in
>>> * whether you're available full-time, part-time, or currently unavailable
>>> 
>>> Might be useful for matching up devs with work.
>> 
>> While I like the idea and would probably benefit from it myself, I'm
>> a bit sceptical when it comes to making OpenWrt.org an institution
>> certifying developers. Too much trouble was caused over having
>> '@openwrt.org' addresses and I doubt we are able to handle the
>> moderation needs (think: classic fraud, fishing, ...) of such a thing
>> if it is even a wiki, ie. free to edit for all.
>> Things like a wiki with only volunteer moderation somehow work because
>> there is little to no commercial interest in manipulation and it is
>> usually easy to recognize (ie. classic spam). In the moment that we
>> change that, we have to be prepared to also face a different quality
>> of manipulation attempts.
>> 
>> Just my 2 cents...
> Indeed, having a job board would be like opening a can of worms. Don't do it.
> Paul


And an open mailing list?

-Philip


> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Just an idea to help our community prosper.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> -Philip
>>> 
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Re: Job board support on openwrt.org?

[Paul Oranje]

> Op 22 jan. 2021, om 20:03 heeft Daniel Golle  het 
> volgende geschreven:
> 
> Hi Philip,
> 
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 11:23:42AM -0700, Philip Prindeville wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Is anyone interested in adding a page to the openwrt.org site about 
>> developers willing to do commercial work?
>> 
>> It could be as simple as:
>> 
>> * name
>> * email address
>> * mobile (if wanted)
>> * packages/platforms/architectures you maintain or have competence in
>> * whether you're available full-time, part-time, or currently unavailable
>> 
>> Might be useful for matching up devs with work.
> 
> While I like the idea and would probably benefit from it myself, I'm
> a bit sceptical when it comes to making OpenWrt.org an institution
> certifying developers. Too much trouble was caused over having
> '@openwrt.org' addresses and I doubt we are able to handle the
> moderation needs (think: classic fraud, fishing, ...) of such a thing
> if it is even a wiki, ie. free to edit for all.
> Things like a wiki with only volunteer moderation somehow work because
> there is little to no commercial interest in manipulation and it is
> usually easy to recognize (ie. classic spam). In the moment that we
> change that, we have to be prepared to also face a different quality
> of manipulation attempts.
> 
> Just my 2 cents...
Indeed, having a job board would be like opening a can of worms. Don't do it.
Paul

> 
>> 
>> Just an idea to help our community prosper.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> -Philip
>> 
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Re: Job board support on openwrt.org?

[Petr Štetiar]

Philip Prindeville  [2021-01-25 20:10:53]:

Hi,

> Can we proceed with that?

as you can see there is no broad consensus on this topic, so you would need to
find someone who could start the vote about this.

Cheers,

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Re: Job board support on openwrt.org?

[Philip Prindeville]

> On Jan 24, 2021, at 12:56 PM, Paul Spooren  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 00:16, Sam Kuper  wrote:
>> On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 06:57:53PM -0500, Etienne Champetier wrote:
>>> Le sam. 23 janv. 2021 à 18:09, Sam Kuper a écrit :
 I suggest that if a vote is held, it should be a three-way vote
 between the following outcomes (which should probably be mutually
 exclusive):
 - OpenWRT Jobs wiki page;
 - openwrt-jobs mailing list;
>>> - OpenWrt Jobs forum section, with a "non endorsement" disclaimer at
>>>   the top
 - Do nothing.
>> Thanks, fair point.  I forgot the forum.  (I mostly avoid Discourse.)
>> So, a vote between four possible outcomes.
> 
> I "revert" my agreement with a curated wiki entry and much prefer an open 
> "jobs" list where everyone can subscribe and whoever post job offers.
> 
> The list could be moderated in a way that only job-offers are allowed while 
> sending resumes is blocked to limit noise.


I still have a preference for the developers' page, but an openwrt-jobs ML 
works too...

Can we proceed with that?

Thanks,

-Philip


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Re: Job board support on openwrt.org?

[Paul Spooren]

On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 00:16, Sam Kuper  
wrote:

On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 06:57:53PM -0500, Etienne Champetier wrote:

 Le sam. 23 janv. 2021 à 18:09, Sam Kuper a écrit :

 I suggest that if a vote is held, it should be a three-way vote
 between the following outcomes (which should probably be mutually
 exclusive):

 - OpenWRT Jobs wiki page;

 - openwrt-jobs mailing list;


 - OpenWrt Jobs forum section, with a "non endorsement" disclaimer at
   the top


 - Do nothing.


Thanks, fair point.  I forgot the forum.  (I mostly avoid Discourse.)

So, a vote between four possible outcomes.


I "revert" my agreement with a curated wiki entry and much prefer an 
open "jobs" list where everyone can subscribe and whoever post job 
offers.


The list could be moderated in a way that only job-offers are allowed 
while sending resumes is blocked to limit noise.




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Re: Job board support on openwrt.org?

[Sam Kuper]

On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 06:57:53PM -0500, Etienne Champetier wrote:
> Le sam. 23 janv. 2021 à 18:09, Sam Kuper a écrit :
>> I suggest that if a vote is held, it should be a three-way vote
>> between the following outcomes (which should probably be mutually
>> exclusive):
>>
>> - OpenWRT Jobs wiki page;
>>
>> - openwrt-jobs mailing list;
> 
> - OpenWrt Jobs forum section, with a "non endorsement" disclaimer at
>   the top
>>
>> - Do nothing.

Thanks, fair point.  I forgot the forum.  (I mostly avoid Discourse.)

So, a vote between four possible outcomes.

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Re: Job board support on openwrt.org?

[Etienne Champetier]

Hi All,

Le sam. 23 janv. 2021 à 18:09, Sam Kuper  a écrit :
>
> On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 02:55:05PM +, Ted Hess wrote:
> > [T]here must be some sort of criteria (contributions, legitimate
> > business site or references) to get your name/outfit listed. And, as
> > Daniel said, we don't want to be in the business of certifying
> > contractors.
>
> Those two sentences seem to be slightly contradictory ;)
>
>
>
> Anyway, an alternative approach to the whole question of how to connect
> potential clients and contractors would be a mailing list, e.g.:
> openwrt-j...@openwrt.org .
>
> This would be a place for potential *clients/employers* to post
> jobs/tenders (to which potential contractors/employees could then reply
> on- or off-list).
>
> It would therefore place responsibility for establishing the credentials
> of the would-be employee or contractor entirely onto the potential
> employer or client, rather than onto the OpenWRT project.
>
> I.e. it is an inversion of the wiki page idea.
>
> I suggest that if a vote is held, it should be a three-way vote between
> the following outcomes (which should probably be mutually exclusive):
>
> - OpenWRT Jobs wiki page;
>
> - openwrt-jobs mailing list;

- OpenWrt Jobs forum section, with a "non endorsement" disclaimer at the top

My 2 cents
Etienne

>
> - Do nothing.
>
> Sam
>
> P.S.  I don't have an opinion on whether such a vote should be under
> FPTP or AV or Condorcet or some other voting method.  For reference, I
> think Debian uses "Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD":
> https://www.debian.org/vote/2003/vote_0002 .

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Re: Job board support on openwrt.org?

[Sam Kuper]

On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 02:55:05PM +, Ted Hess wrote:
> [T]here must be some sort of criteria (contributions, legitimate
> business site or references) to get your name/outfit listed. And, as
> Daniel said, we don't want to be in the business of certifying
> contractors.

Those two sentences seem to be slightly contradictory ;)



Anyway, an alternative approach to the whole question of how to connect
potential clients and contractors would be a mailing list, e.g.:
openwrt-j...@openwrt.org .

This would be a place for potential *clients/employers* to post
jobs/tenders (to which potential contractors/employees could then reply
on- or off-list).

It would therefore place responsibility for establishing the credentials
of the would-be employee or contractor entirely onto the potential
employer or client, rather than onto the OpenWRT project.

I.e. it is an inversion of the wiki page idea.

I suggest that if a vote is held, it should be a three-way vote between
the following outcomes (which should probably be mutually exclusive):

- OpenWRT Jobs wiki page;

- openwrt-jobs mailing list;

- Do nothing.

Sam

P.S.  I don't have an opinion on whether such a vote should be under
FPTP or AV or Condorcet or some other voting method.  For reference, I
think Debian uses "Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD":
https://www.debian.org/vote/2003/vote_0002 .

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Re: Job board support on openwrt.org?

[Ted Hess]

On 1/23/2021 11:06:53 AM, "Petr Štetiar"  wrote:


Ted Hess  [2021-01-23 14:55:05]:

Hi,


 we don't want to be in the business of certifying contractors.


exactly.


 If we get complaints


Do we want new source for a potential bad press?


 their reference gets reviewed and most likely removed.


You can't review business cases as patches, this is quite different territory.



Point taken
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Re: Job board support on openwrt.org?

[John Crispin]

Hi,

I do not think this is a good idea. The project should remain 
commercially and politically independent in order to guarantee its 
sovereignty. Hauke gave some good pointers on how to contact individuals 
devs.


    John


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Re: Job board support on openwrt.org?

[Hauke Mehrtens]

On 1/23/21 6:07 PM, Ibrahim Tachijian wrote:
What do the NACK people say is the best way to find people that is 
willing to do OpenWRT work ?


Surely, emailing this mailing list is not enough, or?


Hi,

I would suggest to look into the git history of the part which interests 
you and write a mail to the people who contributed there if they would 
do contract work for you.


This is not really management or HR compatible, but if you have an 
engineer in your organization they can help you with that.


Hauke



On Sat, Jan 23, 2021, 17:27 Hauke Mehrtens > wrote:


On 1/23/21 2:24 PM, Jo-Philipp Wich wrote:
 > Hi,
 >
 > I don't think this is a good idea due to legal obligations,
 > administrative hassle, quality of work issues and so on.
 >
 > NACK from me.

I agree with Jo.

NACK from me too.

Such a page will also be seen as some sort of endorsement and people
could blame OpenWrt for bad work done by these people listed there. I
just do not want to handle this.

Hauke

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Re: Job board support on openwrt.org?

[Hauke Mehrtens]

On 1/23/21 2:24 PM, Jo-Philipp Wich wrote:

Hi,

I don't think this is a good idea due to legal obligations,
administrative hassle, quality of work issues and so on.

NACK from me.


I agree with Jo.

NACK from me too.

Such a page will also be seen as some sort of endorsement and people 
could blame OpenWrt for bad work done by these people listed there. I 
just do not want to handle this.


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Re: Job board support on openwrt.org?

[Petr Štetiar]

Ted Hess  [2021-01-23 14:55:05]:

Hi,

> we don't want to be in the business of certifying contractors.

exactly.

> If we get complaints

Do we want new source for a potential bad press?

> their reference gets reviewed and most likely removed.

You can't review business cases as patches, this is quite different territory.

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Re: Job board support on openwrt.org?

[Alberto Bursi]

On 23/01/21 09:49, Paul Spooren wrote:



On Sa, Jan 23, 2021 at 07:25, Alberto Bursi  
wrote:



On 22/01/21 20:03, Daniel Golle wrote:

Hi Philip,

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 11:23:42AM -0700, Philip Prindeville wrote:

Hi,

Is anyone interested in adding a page to the openwrt.org site about 
developers willing to do commercial work?


It could be as simple as:

* name
* email address
* mobile (if wanted)
* packages/platforms/architectures you maintain or have competence in
* whether you're available full-time, part-time, or currently 
unavailable


Might be useful for matching up devs with work.


While I like the idea and would probably benefit from it myself, I'm
a bit sceptical when it comes to making OpenWrt.org an institution
certifying developers. Too much trouble was caused over having
'@openwrt.org' addresses and I doubt we are able to handle the
moderation needs (think: classic fraud, fishing, ...) of such a thing
if it is even a wiki, ie. free to edit for all.


the site/wiki has user-restricted pages already (the front page, the 
releases page and personal developer pages I think, probably more) 
because otherwise it would be a field day for spambots.
So this would not be a "free to edit for all", and more of a "ask a 
wiki admin to add your data to the page".
I and Tmomas won't be able to do a through vetting process on anybody, 
but we are more than enough to stop basic spammers and such, and can 
also respond to complaints and remove somebody in case issues arise 
later.
I'm also thinking about having some rules of thumb to limit access to 
people that have actually been involved in OpenWrt for a bit and can 
prove it (some relevant commits, some useful mail in the list, a core 
developer vouching for them, whatever).


-Alberto


I'm generally pro this but before this gets implemented (and after 
sufficiently discussed) please start a vote.




I was just explaining what can actually be done in practice.

I'm just a wiki maintainer/admin and very casual contributor to OpenWrt, 
I think that a vote about this should be started by someone in the 
Developer list.

https://openwrt.org/about#people

-Alberto





Things like a wiki with only volunteer moderation somehow work because
there is little to no commercial interest in manipulation and it is
usually easy to recognize (ie. classic spam). In the moment that we
change that, we have to be prepared to also face a different quality
of manipulation attempts.

Just my 2 cents...



Just an idea to help our community prosper.

Thanks,

-Philip


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Re: Job board support on openwrt.org?

[Ted Hess]

On 1/23/2021 1:25:31 AM, "Alberto Bursi"  
wrote:





On 22/01/21 20:03, Daniel Golle wrote:

Hi Philip,

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 11:23:42AM -0700, Philip Prindeville wrote:

Hi,

Is anyone interested in adding a page to the openwrt.org site about developers 
willing to do commercial work?

It could be as simple as:

* name
* email address
* mobile (if wanted)
* packages/platforms/architectures you maintain or have competence in
* whether you're available full-time, part-time, or currently unavailable

Might be useful for matching up devs with work.


While I like the idea and would probably benefit from it myself, I'm
a bit sceptical when it comes to making OpenWrt.org an institution
certifying developers. Too much trouble was caused over having
'@openwrt.org' addresses and I doubt we are able to handle the
moderation needs (think: classic fraud, fishing, ...) of such a thing
if it is even a wiki, ie. free to edit for all.


the site/wiki has user-restricted pages already (the front page, the releases 
page and personal developer pages I think, probably more) because otherwise it 
would be a field day for spambots.
So this would not be a "free to edit for all", and more of a "ask a wiki admin to 
add your data to the page".
I and Tmomas won't be able to do a through vetting process on anybody, but we 
are more than enough to stop basic spammers and such, and can also respond to 
complaints and remove somebody in case issues arise later.
I'm also thinking about having some rules of thumb to limit access to people 
that have actually been involved in OpenWrt for a bit and can prove it (some 
relevant commits, some useful mail in the list, a core developer vouching for 
them, whatever).


I pretty much agree with Alberto here - It seems like a good idea. 
Additionally, there must be some sort of criteria (contributions, 
legitimate business site or references) to get your name/outfit listed. 
And, as Daniel said, we don't want to be in the business of certifying 
contractors. If we get complaints, their reference gets reviewed and 
most likely removed.


My 2 cents,
/ted


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Re: Job board support on openwrt.org?

[Jo-Philipp Wich]

Hi,

I don't think this is a good idea due to legal obligations,
administrative hassle, quality of work issues and so on.

NACK from me.

~ Jo

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Re: Job board support on openwrt.org?

[Paul Spooren]

On Sa, Jan 23, 2021 at 07:25, Alberto Bursi  
wrote:



On 22/01/21 20:03, Daniel Golle wrote:

Hi Philip,

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 11:23:42AM -0700, Philip Prindeville wrote:

Hi,

Is anyone interested in adding a page to the openwrt.org site about 
developers willing to do commercial work?


It could be as simple as:

* name
* email address
* mobile (if wanted)
* packages/platforms/architectures you maintain or have competence 
in
* whether you're available full-time, part-time, or currently 
unavailable


Might be useful for matching up devs with work.


While I like the idea and would probably benefit from it myself, I'm
a bit sceptical when it comes to making OpenWrt.org an institution
certifying developers. Too much trouble was caused over having
'@openwrt.org' addresses and I doubt we are able to handle the
moderation needs (think: classic fraud, fishing, ...) of such a thing
if it is even a wiki, ie. free to edit for all.


the site/wiki has user-restricted pages already (the front page, the 
releases page and personal developer pages I think, probably more) 
because otherwise it would be a field day for spambots.
So this would not be a "free to edit for all", and more of a "ask a 
wiki admin to add your data to the page".
I and Tmomas won't be able to do a through vetting process on 
anybody, but we are more than enough to stop basic spammers and such, 
and can also respond to complaints and remove somebody in case issues 
arise later.
I'm also thinking about having some rules of thumb to limit access to 
people that have actually been involved in OpenWrt for a bit and can 
prove it (some relevant commits, some useful mail in the list, a core 
developer vouching for them, whatever).


-Alberto


I'm generally pro this but before this gets implemented (and after 
sufficiently discussed) please start a vote.




Things like a wiki with only volunteer moderation somehow work 
because

there is little to no commercial interest in manipulation and it is
usually easy to recognize (ie. classic spam). In the moment that we
change that, we have to be prepared to also face a different quality
of manipulation attempts.

Just my 2 cents...



Just an idea to help our community prosper.

Thanks,

-Philip


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Re: Job board support on openwrt.org?

[Alberto Bursi]

On 22/01/21 20:03, Daniel Golle wrote:

Hi Philip,

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 11:23:42AM -0700, Philip Prindeville wrote:

Hi,

Is anyone interested in adding a page to the openwrt.org site about developers 
willing to do commercial work?

It could be as simple as:

* name
* email address
* mobile (if wanted)
* packages/platforms/architectures you maintain or have competence in
* whether you're available full-time, part-time, or currently unavailable

Might be useful for matching up devs with work.


While I like the idea and would probably benefit from it myself, I'm
a bit sceptical when it comes to making OpenWrt.org an institution
certifying developers. Too much trouble was caused over having
'@openwrt.org' addresses and I doubt we are able to handle the
moderation needs (think: classic fraud, fishing, ...) of such a thing
if it is even a wiki, ie. free to edit for all.


the site/wiki has user-restricted pages already (the front page, the 
releases page and personal developer pages I think, probably more) 
because otherwise it would be a field day for spambots.
So this would not be a "free to edit for all", and more of a "ask a wiki 
admin to add your data to the page".
I and Tmomas won't be able to do a through vetting process on anybody, 
but we are more than enough to stop basic spammers and such, and can 
also respond to complaints and remove somebody in case issues arise later.
I'm also thinking about having some rules of thumb to limit access to 
people that have actually been involved in OpenWrt for a bit and can 
prove it (some relevant commits, some useful mail in the list, a core 
developer vouching for them, whatever).


-Alberto


Things like a wiki with only volunteer moderation somehow work because
there is little to no commercial interest in manipulation and it is
usually easy to recognize (ie. classic spam). In the moment that we
change that, we have to be prepared to also face a different quality
of manipulation attempts.

Just my 2 cents...



Just an idea to help our community prosper.

Thanks,

-Philip


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Re: Job board support on openwrt.org?

[Reiner Karlsberg]

Am 22.01.2021 um 23:29 schrieb Philip Prindeville:




On Jan 22, 2021, at 11:57 AM, Alberto Bursi  wrote:



On 22/01/21 19:23, Philip Prindeville wrote:

Hi,
Is anyone interested in adding a page to the openwrt.org site about developers 
willing to do commercial work?
It could be as simple as:
* name
* email address
* mobile (if wanted)
* packages/platforms/architectures you maintain or have competence in
* whether you're available full-time, part-time, or currently unavailable
Might be useful for matching up devs with work.
Just an idea to help our community prosper.
Thanks,
-Philip


I'm fine with adding that (imho it is a good idea), but of course the main 
question is if the freelance developers in the community would like to use it.

-Alberto




If there's a show of hands, I definitely would, and Daniel said (below) he 
would too... so that's 2...

-Philip


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Having done several commercial jobs using openwrt I would also participate. But I am an "application developer" only, 
i.e. hotspots or IoT concentrators.


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Re: Job board support on openwrt.org?

[Philip Prindeville]

> On Jan 22, 2021, at 11:57 AM, Alberto Bursi  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 22/01/21 19:23, Philip Prindeville wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Is anyone interested in adding a page to the openwrt.org site about 
>> developers willing to do commercial work?
>> It could be as simple as:
>> * name
>> * email address
>> * mobile (if wanted)
>> * packages/platforms/architectures you maintain or have competence in
>> * whether you're available full-time, part-time, or currently unavailable
>> Might be useful for matching up devs with work.
>> Just an idea to help our community prosper.
>> Thanks,
>> -Philip
> 
> I'm fine with adding that (imho it is a good idea), but of course the main 
> question is if the freelance developers in the community would like to use it.
> 
> -Alberto
> 


If there's a show of hands, I definitely would, and Daniel said (below) he 
would too... so that's 2...

-Philip


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Re: Job board support on openwrt.org?

[Philip Prindeville]

> On Jan 22, 2021, at 12:03 PM, Daniel Golle  wrote:
> 
> Hi Philip,
> 
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 11:23:42AM -0700, Philip Prindeville wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Is anyone interested in adding a page to the openwrt.org site about 
>> developers willing to do commercial work?
>> 
>> It could be as simple as:
>> 
>> * name
>> * email address
>> * mobile (if wanted)
>> * packages/platforms/architectures you maintain or have competence in
>> * whether you're available full-time, part-time, or currently unavailable
>> 
>> Might be useful for matching up devs with work.
> 
> While I like the idea and would probably benefit from it myself, I'm
> a bit sceptical when it comes to making OpenWrt.org an institution
> certifying developers. Too much trouble was caused over having
> '@openwrt.org' addresses and I doubt we are able to handle the
> moderation needs (think: classic fraud, fishing, ...) of such a thing
> if it is even a wiki, ie. free to edit for all.
> Things like a wiki with only volunteer moderation somehow work because
> there is little to no commercial interest in manipulation and it is
> usually easy to recognize (ie. classic spam). In the moment that we
> change that, we have to be prepared to also face a different quality
> of manipulation attempts.
> 
> Just my 2 cents...


In thought about this.  I guess the page would have a caveat that it wasn't an 
official endorsement or anything like that.

Still, the price of admission might be being known in the community for at 
least one year (that can be submitting PR's, reviewing PR's, editing the Wiki, 
for example), and do have submitted and had approved at least 5 PR's or to be 
the maintainer of at least one package.

Does that seem like enough of a bar to prevent fraud?

-Philip


> 
>> 
>> Just an idea to help our community prosper.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> -Philip
>> 
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Re: Job board support on openwrt.org?

[Daniel Golle]

Hi Philip,

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 11:23:42AM -0700, Philip Prindeville wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Is anyone interested in adding a page to the openwrt.org site about 
> developers willing to do commercial work?
> 
> It could be as simple as:
> 
> * name
> * email address
> * mobile (if wanted)
> * packages/platforms/architectures you maintain or have competence in
> * whether you're available full-time, part-time, or currently unavailable
> 
> Might be useful for matching up devs with work.

While I like the idea and would probably benefit from it myself, I'm
a bit sceptical when it comes to making OpenWrt.org an institution
certifying developers. Too much trouble was caused over having
'@openwrt.org' addresses and I doubt we are able to handle the
moderation needs (think: classic fraud, fishing, ...) of such a thing
if it is even a wiki, ie. free to edit for all.
Things like a wiki with only volunteer moderation somehow work because
there is little to no commercial interest in manipulation and it is
usually easy to recognize (ie. classic spam). In the moment that we
change that, we have to be prepared to also face a different quality
of manipulation attempts.

Just my 2 cents...

> 
> Just an idea to help our community prosper.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -Philip
> 
> 
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Re: Job board support on openwrt.org?

[Alberto Bursi]

On 22/01/21 19:23, Philip Prindeville wrote:

Hi,

Is anyone interested in adding a page to the openwrt.org site about developers 
willing to do commercial work?

It could be as simple as:

* name
* email address
* mobile (if wanted)
* packages/platforms/architectures you maintain or have competence in
* whether you're available full-time, part-time, or currently unavailable

Might be useful for matching up devs with work.

Just an idea to help our community prosper.

Thanks,

-Philip




I'm fine with adding that (imho it is a good idea), but of course the 
main question is if the freelance developers in the community would like 
to use it.


-Alberto

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