[VOTE] JB Onofre takes over ops4j domains

[Niclas Hedhman]

Since the OPS4J inception in 2005, I have paid the ops4j domain names. I
think 15-16 years is enough, and have recently announced that I am no
longer willing to be the custodian of these domain names.

JB Onofre has offered to take over.

Vote;

[ ] - JB Onofre as new custodian
[ ] - No. Let's find some other solution.


// Niclas

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Re: ops4j domain names

[Niclas Hedhman]

I am... That is then what the vote is for...



On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 1:39 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
jeanbaptiste.ono...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Even if we go to ops4j.github.com, I think it will be helpful to redirect
> from ops4j.org. So, I volunteer to "take" the ops4j domain. It will give
> us time to "transfer" resources to github.
>
> OK with that ?
>
> Regards
> JB
>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 4:15 AM Niclas Hedhman  wrote:
>
>>
>> The thread's primary question is;
>>
>> Shall I a) let the ops4j domain names expire, or b) transfer them to
>> someone else? If b), then Who/What?
>>
>> The rest is "interesting" but actually "out of scope" for something very
>> concrete in 10 weeks time. The full structure of community can in principle
>> be discussed/decided later, or not...
>>
>>
>> // Niclas
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 10:37 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
>> jeanbaptiste.ono...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree.
>>>
>>> What do you think I start a vote on the mailing list to propose to move
>>> to ops4j.github.com ?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> JB
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 4:34 PM Peter Neubauer 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Niclas for bringing up the issue!

 FWIW - I think Github is basically what OPS4J set out to be
 code-contribution-wise. IMHO going back to Apache is a matter of the
 community deciding if the barriers for governance/contribution are lower
 now. Otherwise - I think just moving everything to Github - only would be
 the lowest-threshold option here.

 /peter

 On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 8:50:52 AM UTC+1, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>
> Imho, we should switch everything to github.  I wouldn't even bother
> paying for a domain, i think something like ops4j.github.org is
> enough.
>
> Le mer. 19 févr. 2020 à 13:01, Toni Menzel  a
> écrit :
>
>> *TL/TR:*
>> I'd be also happy to pay for ops4j.org (the one that is actively
>> used atm).
>>
>> *Long version:*
>> Since this is coming up now, there is a general question were to go
>> with OPS4J in general.
>>
>> It predated github and probably was back then the easiest way to get
>> hands dirty in a non-trivial java based OSS community where trust was
>> default. Think about it, back then everyone could get write access to the
>> subversion repo and start hacking on new or existing projects. Including
>> admin access to jira and whatever else was existing back then. Pax URL, 
>> Pax
>> Runner, Pax Exam, Pax Construct etc. all got initiated by individuals
>> without asking for permission. I mean.. thats Names like Pax Tinybundles
>> got to life.. but oh well.
>>
>> Now, why am I writing this: there is - at least for pax url, web and
>> exam - a huge user base that seems to be quite healthy. Even if there is
>> just that "ops4j" name of the github organization now, no website etc.
>>
>> So, question: what are the options? Let me just drop them here that
>> come to my mind (ordered from easy-as-py to more complicated options):
>>
>>- keep things as is, find individual sponsors like I do with the
>>Build Server (who uses that still by the way??), and JB or me (this 
>> means
>>I'd be also fine to pay for the org domain that is in active use,too 
>> btw).
>>It would be good to have two different companies or legal entities 
>> backing
>>this anyway.
>>- Modernize OPS4J a bit. Get it a landing page at least and a
>>clear who is behind all this, who pays etc. Maybe look at Github 
>> Sponsoring
>>to spread costs across user base - avoid single entity control.
>>- Maybe look into making it a proper foundation or at least an
>>entity that makes the work here eligible for future donations. I am 
>> not
>>sure of this is worth it. But i feel Open Source != Open Governance.
>>- Retire non active projects and donate active projects to
>>apache. Probably difficult because of Intellectual Property)
>>
>> wdyt?
>> Toni
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Toni Menzel | rebaze.com  | growing
>> developer culture*
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 12:37 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
>> jeanbapti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Niclas
>>>
>>> First of all, thanks a lot for all what you did (and still doing
>>> ).
>>>
>>> I’m ready to take the hand for the domain and finance them.
>>>
>>> Thoughts ?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> JB
>>>
>>> Le mer. 19 févr. 2020 à 12:13, Niclas Hedhman 
>>> a écrit :
>>>
 Everyone,
 In a few months time (June), the OPS4J domain names are up for
 renewal. And I have been paying for those for 15 years now, and since 
 I no
 longer participate in OPS4J I would like to transfer the domain names. 
 But

Re: ops4j domain names

[Grzegorz Grzybek]

For me, ops4j.org page never worked (I mean it shows only "It works!"), so
I'm +1 for moving to ops4j.github.org with or without redirect from
ops4j.org TLD.

regards
Grzegorz Grzybek

wt., 31 mar 2020 o 08:19 Niclas Hedhman  napisał(a):

> I am... That is then what the vote is for...
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 1:39 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
> jeanbaptiste.ono...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Even if we go to ops4j.github.com, I think it will be helpful to
>> redirect from ops4j.org. So, I volunteer to "take" the ops4j domain. It
>> will give us time to "transfer" resources to github.
>>
>> OK with that ?
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 4:15 AM Niclas Hedhman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The thread's primary question is;
>>>
>>> Shall I a) let the ops4j domain names expire, or b) transfer them to
>>> someone else? If b), then Who/What?
>>>
>>> The rest is "interesting" but actually "out of scope" for something very
>>> concrete in 10 weeks time. The full structure of community can in principle
>>> be discussed/decided later, or not...
>>>
>>>
>>> // Niclas
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 10:37 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
>>> jeanbaptiste.ono...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I agree.

 What do you think I start a vote on the mailing list to propose to move
 to ops4j.github.com ?

 Regards
 JB

 On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 4:34 PM Peter Neubauer <
 neubauer.pe...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Niclas for bringing up the issue!
>
> FWIW - I think Github is basically what OPS4J set out to be
> code-contribution-wise. IMHO going back to Apache is a matter of the
> community deciding if the barriers for governance/contribution are lower
> now. Otherwise - I think just moving everything to Github - only would be
> the lowest-threshold option here.
>
> /peter
>
> On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 8:50:52 AM UTC+1, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>>
>> Imho, we should switch everything to github.  I wouldn't even bother
>> paying for a domain, i think something like ops4j.github.org is
>> enough.
>>
>> Le mer. 19 févr. 2020 à 13:01, Toni Menzel  a
>> écrit :
>>
>>> *TL/TR:*
>>> I'd be also happy to pay for ops4j.org (the one that is actively
>>> used atm).
>>>
>>> *Long version:*
>>> Since this is coming up now, there is a general question were to go
>>> with OPS4J in general.
>>>
>>> It predated github and probably was back then the easiest way to get
>>> hands dirty in a non-trivial java based OSS community where trust was
>>> default. Think about it, back then everyone could get write access to 
>>> the
>>> subversion repo and start hacking on new or existing projects. Including
>>> admin access to jira and whatever else was existing back then. Pax URL, 
>>> Pax
>>> Runner, Pax Exam, Pax Construct etc. all got initiated by individuals
>>> without asking for permission. I mean.. thats Names like Pax Tinybundles
>>> got to life.. but oh well.
>>>
>>> Now, why am I writing this: there is - at least for pax url, web and
>>> exam - a huge user base that seems to be quite healthy. Even if there is
>>> just that "ops4j" name of the github organization now, no website etc.
>>>
>>> So, question: what are the options? Let me just drop them here that
>>> come to my mind (ordered from easy-as-py to more complicated options):
>>>
>>>- keep things as is, find individual sponsors like I do with the
>>>Build Server (who uses that still by the way??), and JB or me (this 
>>> means
>>>I'd be also fine to pay for the org domain that is in active use,too 
>>> btw).
>>>It would be good to have two different companies or legal entities 
>>> backing
>>>this anyway.
>>>- Modernize OPS4J a bit. Get it a landing page at least and a
>>>clear who is behind all this, who pays etc. Maybe look at Github 
>>> Sponsoring
>>>to spread costs across user base - avoid single entity control.
>>>- Maybe look into making it a proper foundation or at least an
>>>entity that makes the work here eligible for future donations. I am 
>>> not
>>>sure of this is worth it. But i feel Open Source != Open Governance.
>>>- Retire non active projects and donate active projects to
>>>apache. Probably difficult because of Intellectual Property)
>>>
>>> wdyt?
>>> Toni
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Toni Menzel | rebaze.com  | growing
>>> developer culture*
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 12:37 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
>>> jeanbapti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Niclas

 First of all, thanks a lot for all what you did (and still doing
 ).

 I’m ready to take the hand for the domain and finance them.

 

Re: ops4j domain names

[Oliver Lietz]

On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 9:20:29 AM CEST Grzegorz Grzybek wrote:
> For me, ops4j.org page never worked (I mean it shows only "It works!"), so
> I'm +1 for moving to ops4j.github.org with or without redirect from
> ops4j.org TLD.

I strongly suggest to keep the ops4j domains (at the very least ops4j.org):

1) Reverse domain name (org.ops4j.) is used for all releases
2) Keeping ops4j domains is the only way to prevent takeover by scammers
3) What should happen if GitHub will go away in the future (unlikely but 
happened to other services, e.g. java.net)?

We can point all ops4j.[org|net|com] to ops4j.github.io with no effort (even 
supported by low-budget hosting providers).

I'm willing to spend some bucks and time for keeping the domains and setting 
up a minimal website for the project (we use JBake at Apache Sling to generate 
a static website, could be an option here also).

Regards,
O.


> regards
> Grzegorz Grzybek
> 
> wt., 31 mar 2020 o 08:19 Niclas Hedhman  napisał(a):
> > I am... That is then what the vote is for...
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 1:39 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
> > 
> > jeanbaptiste.ono...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Even if we go to ops4j.github.com, I think it will be helpful to
> >> redirect from ops4j.org. So, I volunteer to "take" the ops4j domain. It
> >> will give us time to "transfer" resources to github.
> >> 
> >> OK with that ?
> >> 
> >> Regards
> >> JB
> >> 
> >> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 4:15 AM Niclas Hedhman 
> >> 
> >> wrote:
> >>> The thread's primary question is;
> >>> 
> >>> Shall I a) let the ops4j domain names expire, or b) transfer them to
> >>> someone else? If b), then Who/What?
> >>> 
> >>> The rest is "interesting" but actually "out of scope" for something very
> >>> concrete in 10 weeks time. The full structure of community can in
> >>> principle
> >>> be discussed/decided later, or not...
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> // Niclas
> >>> 
> >>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 10:37 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
> >>> 
> >>> jeanbaptiste.ono...@gmail.com> wrote:
>  I agree.
>  
>  What do you think I start a vote on the mailing list to propose to move
>  to ops4j.github.com ?
>  
>  Regards
>  JB
>  
>  On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 4:34 PM Peter Neubauer <
>  
>  neubauer.pe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Thanks Niclas for bringing up the issue!
> > 
> > FWIW - I think Github is basically what OPS4J set out to be
> > code-contribution-wise. IMHO going back to Apache is a matter of the
> > community deciding if the barriers for governance/contribution are
> > lower
> > now. Otherwise - I think just moving everything to Github - only would
> > be
> > the lowest-threshold option here.
> > 
> > /peter
> > 
> > On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 8:50:52 AM UTC+1, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
> >> Imho, we should switch everything to github.  I wouldn't even bother
> >> paying for a domain, i think something like ops4j.github.org is
> >> enough.
> >> 
> >> Le mer. 19 févr. 2020 à 13:01, Toni Menzel  a
> >> 
> >> écrit :
> >>> *TL/TR:*
> >>> I'd be also happy to pay for ops4j.org (the one that is actively
> >>> used atm).
> >>> 
> >>> *Long version:*
> >>> Since this is coming up now, there is a general question were to go
> >>> with OPS4J in general.
> >>> 
> >>> It predated github and probably was back then the easiest way to get
> >>> hands dirty in a non-trivial java based OSS community where trust
> >>> was
> >>> default. Think about it, back then everyone could get write access
> >>> to the
> >>> subversion repo and start hacking on new or existing projects.
> >>> Including
> >>> admin access to jira and whatever else was existing back then. Pax
> >>> URL, Pax
> >>> Runner, Pax Exam, Pax Construct etc. all got initiated by
> >>> individuals
> >>> without asking for permission. I mean.. thats Names like Pax
> >>> Tinybundles
> >>> got to life.. but oh well.
> >>> 
> >>> Now, why am I writing this: there is - at least for pax url, web and
> >>> exam - a huge user base that seems to be quite healthy. Even if
> >>> there is
> >>> just that "ops4j" name of the github organization now, no website
> >>> etc.
> >>> 
> >>> So, question: what are the options? Let me just drop them here that
> >>> 
> >>> come to my mind (ordered from easy-as-py to more complicated 
options):
> >>>- keep things as is, find individual sponsors like I do with the
> >>>Build Server (who uses that still by the way??), and JB or me
> >>>(this means
> >>>I'd be also fine to pay for the org domain that is in active
> >>>use,too btw).
> >>>It would be good to have two different companies or legal
> >>>entities backing
> >>>this anyway.
> >>>- Modernize OPS4J a bit. Get it a landing page at least and a
> >>>

Re: [VOTE] JB Onofre takes over ops4j domains

[Grzegorz Grzybek]

+1

I can't declare anything about participating in costs, but I guess I could
spend few €/year.

regards
Grzegorz Grzybek

wt., 31 mar 2020 o 16:01 'Achim Nierbeck' via OPS4J 
napisał(a):

> Hi all,
>
> I support that JB takes over.
>
> regards, Achim
>
> Am Di., 31. März 2020 um 08:23 Uhr schrieb Niclas Hedhman <
> nic...@hedhman.org>:
>
>>
>> Since the OPS4J inception in 2005, I have paid the ops4j domain names. I
>> think 15-16 years is enough, and have recently announced that I am no
>> longer willing to be the custodian of these domain names.
>>
>> JB Onofre has offered to take over.
>>
>> Vote;
>>
>> [ ] - JB Onofre as new custodian
>> [ ] - No. Let's find some other solution.
>>
>>
>> // Niclas
>>
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Re: [VOTE] JB Onofre takes over ops4j domains

[françois papon]

+1

I can also participate with some € and I will be more than happy to
contribute in anything else around OPS4J!

regards,

*François Papon*


Le mar. 31 mars 2020 à 16:27, Grzegorz Grzybek  a
écrit :

> +1
>
> I can't declare anything about participating in costs, but I guess I could
> spend few €/year.
>
> regards
> Grzegorz Grzybek
>
> wt., 31 mar 2020 o 16:01 'Achim Nierbeck' via OPS4J <
> ops4j@googlegroups.com> napisał(a):
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I support that JB takes over.
>>
>> regards, Achim
>>
>> Am Di., 31. März 2020 um 08:23 Uhr schrieb Niclas Hedhman <
>> nic...@hedhman.org>:
>>
>>>
>>> Since the OPS4J inception in 2005, I have paid the ops4j domain names. I
>>> think 15-16 years is enough, and have recently announced that I am no
>>> longer willing to be the custodian of these domain names.
>>>
>>> JB Onofre has offered to take over.
>>>
>>> Vote;
>>>
>>> [ ] - JB Onofre as new custodian
>>> [ ] - No. Let's find some other solution.
>>>
>>>
>>> // Niclas
>>>
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Re: [VOTE] JB Onofre takes over ops4j domains

['Achim Nierbeck' via OPS4J]

Hi all,

I support that JB takes over.

regards, Achim

Am Di., 31. März 2020 um 08:23 Uhr schrieb Niclas Hedhman <
nic...@hedhman.org>:

>
> Since the OPS4J inception in 2005, I have paid the ops4j domain names. I
> think 15-16 years is enough, and have recently announced that I am no
> longer willing to be the custodian of these domain names.
>
> JB Onofre has offered to take over.
>
> Vote;
>
> [ ] - JB Onofre as new custodian
> [ ] - No. Let's find some other solution.
>
>
> // Niclas
>
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