PARAMETER SUBSTITUION ON UPDATE STATEMENT

2002-04-05 Thread Moses Ngati Moya

Hi all,

DECLARE
   mfield varchar2(20);
   CURSOR t1 Select region, value from table2;

BEGIN
 FOR t1rec IN t1 LOOP
   mfield := t1rec.region||'_00';
   UPDATE table1
   SET mfield = mfield + 1;
 END LOOP;
END;

Basically, I would want to update field1 in table1 based on the value of
region from table2. If region = ABC, I want to concatenate region and _00 to
determine field to update in table1.

Structure of Table1
REG_00
ABC_00
DES_00

Is this possible?

Moses 
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RE: Send mail from pl/sql

2002-04-05 Thread Mark Leith

Roland,

Check out the Oracle supplied PL/SQL package UTL_SMTP:

http://download-uk.oracle.com/otndoc/oracle9i/901_doc/appdev.901/a89852/utl_
smtp.htm

HTH

Mark

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Hallo,

Does anyone have a good example on a procedure how to send email from
Pl/SQL. What I want to happen is to do  a select statement and then send a
mail with the result to the  address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Please help me with this. I would appreciate it very miuch.

Thanks in advance

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Re: Automatically startup database

2002-04-05 Thread Yechiel Adar

Had the same problem. Solved with SP2.

Yechiel Adar, Mehish

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 Hi,
 I have try tro remove Microsoft Active Directory on Win2K
 and the database could run normallyautomatic startup..
 where it did not run automatically when
 Microsoft Active Directory installed.

 I use SP1.

 Any suggestion?


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  There was a problem with the initial release of win 2K.
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   Subject: Automatically startup database
  
   How to make database instance on Win2K automatically startup when the
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   C: sqlplus internal
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Ang: RE: Send mail from pl/sql

2002-04-05 Thread Roland . Skoldblom


I am using Notes mail system

Roland




Abdul Aleem [EMAIL PROTECTED]@fatcity.com den 2002-04-05 01:18 PST

Sänd svar till [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Till: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kopia:

Which mail client are you looking it for. If it is for MS outlook, you can
check at Perter Koltez's site

Aleem

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Hallo,

Does anyone have a good example on a procedure how to send email from
Pl/SQL. What I want to happen is to do  a select statement and then send a
mail with the result to the  address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Please help me with this. I would appreciate it very miuch.

Thanks in advance

Roland

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run PL/SQL in background

2002-04-05 Thread John Dunn

We have a package that we want to run effectively in the background/batch
mode, i.e detached from the pl/sql that initates it. Basically the package
would run continually until a table value tells it to stop. Is there an
alternative to using dbms_job?

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RE: Send mail from pl/sql

2002-04-05 Thread Bernard, Gilbert

 send_email.sql  send_email_attch.sql 

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Which mail client are you looking it for. If it is for MS outlook,
you can
check at Perter Koltez's site

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Subject:Send mail from pl/sql

Hallo,

Does anyone have a good example on a procedure how to send email
from
Pl/SQL. What I want to happen is to do  a select statement and then
send a
mail with the result to the  address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Please help me with this. I would appreciate it very miuch.

Thanks in advance

Roland

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send_email.sql
Description: Binary data


send_email_attch.sql
Description: Binary data


RE: PARAMETER SUBSTITUION ON UPDATE STATEMENT

2002-04-05 Thread Alroy Mascranghe

You can use DBMS_SQL if it will help you.

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Moya
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Hi all,

DECLARE
   mfield varchar2(20);
   CURSOR t1 Select region, value from table2;

BEGIN
 FOR t1rec IN t1 LOOP
   mfield := t1rec.region||'_00';
   UPDATE table1
   SET mfield = mfield + 1;
 END LOOP;
END;

Basically, I would want to update field1 in table1 based on the value of
region from table2. If region = ABC, I want to concatenate region and _00 to
determine field to update in table1.

Structure of Table1
REG_00
ABC_00
DES_00

Is this possible?

Moses 
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RE: open resetlogs

2002-04-05 Thread Mark Leith

Fawzia,

This should be shown in your alert log.

HTH

Mark

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Hi,

Does anyone know how to find out if the database was opened 
with the restlogsoption?We are having a few problems with rman and need
to identify whether this has beent he case

Thanks in advance

Fawzia


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RE: Off topic: Need ideas for 'Take your child to work' day 4/25

2002-04-05 Thread Farnsworth, Dave

Give them root access and let them have at it!!  Remember, it's a learning experience. 
 Actually I have done this with my kids and I had then go on a tour with someone that 
knows that manufacturing facility, and then had them spend time in order entry, and 
the some time in the distribution center.  They also had some time in the IS 
department but by showing them the whole facility they can see that what you do 
effects everything.  They can only sit and watch you type for so long.  Oh yea, I also 
let them spend some time with the PC techs and they got to fix some PC's.

Dave

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Our office is doing 'Take your child to work' day and the plan is for an
older child to shadow me for a little while as we do some simple Oracle dba
or development work.

I'd really like to make this meaningful by having the child do a task that's
simpler (than optimizing all our procedures) but realistic (instead of being
relegated to the lunchroom to watch tv) with me for an hour or so.

Has anyone ever done this?  I'd appreciate any lessons learned or
suggestions.  

Thanks!

Barbara
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RE: ora-12514

2002-04-05 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F

Hamid,

I got stung with this just yesterday.  Look closely at the TNSNAMES file.
Check this example:

WTWT_DBDOL0A1ADVWTW =
  (DESCRIPTION =
(ADDRESS_LIST =
  (ADDRESS = (PROTOCOL = TCP)(HOST = Dbdol0a1advwtw)(PORT = 1521))
)
(CONNECT_DATA = (SERVICE_NAME = wtwt)(SERVER = DEDICATED))
  )

WTWT_DBDOL0A1ADVWTW =
  (DESCRIPTION =
(ADDRESS_LIST =
  (ADDRESS = (PROTOCOL = TCP)(HOST = Dbdol0a1advwtw)(PORT = 1521))
)
(CONNECT_DATA = (SID = wtwt)(SERVER = DEDICATED))
  )

Look at the CONNECT_DATA line.  Try changing the SERVICE_NAME to SID and try
connecting again.

Hope this helps.

Tom Mercadante
Oracle Certified Professional


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Hi list,
I asked this question this morning but no reply so I try again may be some
chace.
I have created a new instance under 8.1.7 and test it yesterday was fine,
but this morning I try to shutdown the database and do some change on it
after complete shutdown when I try to open the database got ERROR ORA-12514
TNS LISTENER could not Resolve SERVICE-NAME given in connect Descriptor.
I have checked every thing non of tnsnames.ora or sqlnet.ora changed even I
try connect from the server but no chance, we have two oracle home at the
moment 8.16  8.1.7 on Sun Solaris.
Any body have any idea what's going on???
Appreciate your help.
Thanks.




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RE: Using XML in the dba

2002-04-05 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F

Bill,

If you will be using the XML from PL/SQL calls, you will probably need the
Oracle XDK for PL/SQL packages installed.  There are several versions
available.  I actually installed the 9.0.2.0.0D version in my 8172 database
and it seemed to work ok.  The developer I was working with tried it, but
dropped it for lack of time and interest.  I created a separated Oracle
account for the packages and installed the stuff there just so I could drop
it easily.  The packages are available on TechNet.

Hope this helps.

Tom Mercadante
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I need to set up my 8.1.7.2 db to produce XML output from SQL queries.
Referring to the Oracle XML Handbook (Oracle press) I think we're interesed
in the XSQL . . . need to know how to prepare the db/client for this.

I installed the JServer manually (via the initjvm.sql script) and have a
20Mb Java pool on the server (NT 40 SP6a)

I see the client needs JDK 1.1.6 or higher.

Is there anything else I need to do on the server?  The developer will be
accessing via Net8 (I think) . . . .

not even sure what other questions I need to ask.

Thanks, all

Bill Magaliff
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Re: run PL/SQL in background

2002-04-05 Thread Tim Gorman

Possibly DBMS_AQ.  What's wrong with DBMS_JOB?

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Re: run PL/SQL in background

2002-04-05 Thread Igor Neyman

Why don't you want to use dbms_job?

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 would run continually until a table value tells it to stop. Is there an
 alternative to using dbms_job?

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Copy tables and indexes etc from one db to another

2002-04-05 Thread Roland . Skoldblom

Hallo,

anyone whom can tellme the easiest way to copy tables etc from one database to another.

Thanks in advance

Roland


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Re: PARAMETER SUBSTITUION ON UPDATE STATEMENT

2002-04-05 Thread Igor Neyman

What is the relationship between table1 and table2?

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 You can use DBMS_SQL if it will help you.

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 Moya
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 Hi all,

 DECLARE
mfield varchar2(20);
CURSOR t1 Select region, value from table2;

 BEGIN
  FOR t1rec IN t1 LOOP
mfield := t1rec.region||'_00';
UPDATE table1
SET mfield = mfield + 1;
  END LOOP;
 END;

 Basically, I would want to update field1 in table1 based on the value of
 region from table2. If region = ABC, I want to concatenate region and _00
to
 determine field to update in table1.

 Structure of Table1
 REG_00
 ABC_00
 DES_00

 Is this possible?

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Re: ORA-27072/HP-UX file too large

2002-04-05 Thread Gene Sais

check kernel params.  also try to create a large file not using oracle, see if it 
fails.  i have seen i/o errors w/ autoextend on, just a thought.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/04/02 06:57PM 
Large file support is the first thing I checked (I should have put that
in my post).  It's enabled on all volumes.

--- Gene Sais [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 its an os problem, make sure your filesystems are large enabled.  aix
 has a 64gb filesize limit, forgot what hp ux is.
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/04/02 11:23AM 
 Hi, all. 
 
 Oracle 8.1.7.2.0 on HP-UX B.11.00.
 
 When performing a full database export, I'm getting
 
 EXP-8: ORACLE error 1114 encountered
 ORA-01114: IO error writing block to file 201 (block # 366985)
 ORA-27072: skgfdisp: I/O error
 HP-UX Error: 27: File too large
 Additional information: 366985
 ORA-01114: IO error writing block to file 201 (block # 366985)
 ORA-27072: skgfdisp: I/O error
 HP-UX Error: 27: File too large
 Additional information: 366985
 EXP-0: Export terminated unsuccessfully
 
 
 File 201 is a tempfile, for the temporary tablespace.  Its size is
 approx. 3 GB.  A similar full export runs nightly and succeeded last
 night (I can't be sure about all previous nights as they don't save
 the
 log files).
 
 Has anyone else seen this?  Why is export writing to the temporary
 tablespace?
 
 TIA
 
 
 
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Oracle-SQL Server DBA Needed in Missouri..

2002-04-05 Thread OraStaff

A well established company located in Joplin,Missouri is looking for an
ORACLE-SQL Server DBA. 

PLEASE DO NOT send your resume for this position UNLESS you have the skills
outlined 
below for this position.

DO NOT send your resume unless you have a stable work history.
Candidates whose work history includes frequent job changes connot be
considered.
If you are employed by a consulting company you must have a long term
project history.

This is a full time staff position so no sub-contractors or third parties
please.

No H-1B candidates please.

Description:
This position will be responsible for upgrading database and making conversion
from ORACLE to SQL Server 2000. The person in this position will need to be
very technical. The conversion will involve the HR and Financial databases. 
Once the conversion from Oracle 8 to SQL Server 2000 is done, this person
will be
maintaining their HR and Financials database on SQL Server 2000.  
They will still have their customer info. systems, engineering mapping systems, 
and outage management system on Oracle 8.  
So, that's why candidates need a background in Oracle and SQL Server DBA.

Requirements:
-A BS degree in CS is a plus, but will look at equivalent experience. 
-Must have at least 2 years experience with the following skills:
 ORACLE 8.0.4; SQL Server 7.0; DBA; Win-NT. 
-Needs to have had prior conversion and upgrade experience,preferably ORACLE
to SQL Server.
-Experience with SQL Server 2000 and Peoplesoft is a big plus.
-U.S. citzenship or Permanent residents only.

The company provides a base salary of 50-60K  and excellent benefits. 
Some of them are as follows:
low-cost healthcare; non-contributory pension; matching 401K; and FLEX
benefits (i.e.dental and childcare). 

Joplin, MO is an excellent place to call home with a population of 50,000,
and a 
trade area of 200,000.

For  immediate consideration, please send your resume as a Word attachment to:
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All Submissions are handled in confidence.

*We pay referral fees.
So please contact me if you know of anyone who would be qualified/interested
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RE: run PL/SQL in background

2002-04-05 Thread Stephane Faroult

John,

  A PL/SQL procedure run from dbms_job doesn't run continually - it is regularly 
restarted, which is quite different. The problem with continually running processes, 
PL/SQL or others, is that they have an innate tendency to take the CPU and not release 
it. If you want your solution to be viable, you need the process to block on something 
to give a chance to the other, competing processes - or you put it in polling mode 
(there's a kind of SLEEP function in one of the supplied packages, cannot remember 
which), or (what I'd prefer) you make it regularly wait on a DBMS_PIPE.RECEIVE or a 
DBMS_ALERT.WAITxxx, with or without a timeout shorter than your life expectancy. Now, 
for starting such a process, if you use DBMS_JOB it means that you will 'sacrifice', 
so to speak, a job process which will not be able to do anything else. It can be an 
acceptable solution if you increase job_processes accordingly. Or you can have the 
procedure called by SQL*Plus conveniently wrapped into an OS sc!
!
ript, and make the OS script a detached process.

HTH

S Faroult

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We have a package that we want to run effectively
in the background/batch
mode, i.e detached from the pl/sql that initates
it. Basically the package
would run continually until a table value tells it
to stop. Is there an
alternative to using dbms_job?

John
 
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RE: Deleting old archive log files.

2002-04-05 Thread Kimberly Smith

Or you could install Perl

My god, I am starting to sound like Jared.

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I don't - but maybe take a look at the rman package
(dbms_rman.delete_file or something like that) which
allows you to delete files from the operating system.

You could then use PL/SQl and the various v$ views to
determine which archives you want to toast.

hth
connor

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 Has anybody been through this already?
 
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RE: Using XML in the dba

2002-04-05 Thread Magaliff, Bill

thanks - don't need from PL/SQL, just regular SQL calls that will return
tagged XML

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Bill,

If you will be using the XML from PL/SQL calls, you will probably need the
Oracle XDK for PL/SQL packages installed.  There are several versions
available.  I actually installed the 9.0.2.0.0D version in my 8172 database
and it seemed to work ok.  The developer I was working with tried it, but
dropped it for lack of time and interest.  I created a separated Oracle
account for the packages and installed the stuff there just so I could drop
it easily.  The packages are available on TechNet.

Hope this helps.

Tom Mercadante
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I need to set up my 8.1.7.2 db to produce XML output from SQL queries.
Referring to the Oracle XML Handbook (Oracle press) I think we're interesed
in the XSQL . . . need to know how to prepare the db/client for this.

I installed the JServer manually (via the initjvm.sql script) and have a
20Mb Java pool on the server (NT 40 SP6a)

I see the client needs JDK 1.1.6 or higher.

Is there anything else I need to do on the server?  The developer will be
accessing via Net8 (I think) . . . .

not even sure what other questions I need to ask.

Thanks, all

Bill Magaliff
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Re: Copy tables and indexes etc from one db to another

2002-04-05 Thread Igor Neyman

export/import

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 Hallo,

 anyone whom can tellme the easiest way to copy tables etc from one
database to another.

 Thanks in advance

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Re: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?

2002-04-05 Thread Paul Vallee

This is great information Raj. I've run a test that is completely consistent
with this.

For instance: Go to Metalink and click the Patches item in the left menu.
Then choose product family Oracle Server and product RDBMS Server,
release 9.0.1.3.
Select the HP9000 Series HP/UX 64-bit platform and choose All Product
Patches.

Repeat for Sun Sparc Solaris. Although the Sun list is quite lengthy
compared to most other platforms (7 entries), the HP list has significantly
more patches (15 entries).

For me, this is a significant decision influencer when choosing a platform
for Oracle. However, HP is definitely losing the performance race... :-)
Tough one.

Thanks again,
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Paul ,
ORACLE switched from solaris to HP-UX somewhere in mid
2000 for their tier I platform. ALso I think at  this
time compaq and HP are the only true 64 bit
architectures available. That of course swings the
scale in HPs favour...:)

Cheers,
RS
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 Might as well get my two cents in... :-)

 1. Solaris
 Tied for 2... AIX, Tru64, HP/UX

 (leaving NUMA out of the equation for now. If you
 like NUMA, then look into
 the status of IBM's acquisition of Sequent, I'm out
 of touch with that right
 now.)

 Different hardware solutions from different vendors
 have different
 performance, stability and cost characteristics, and
 so I'll assume that all
 vendors have an appropriate solution on these
 factors, this may not be the
 case.

 With these assumptions, the primary factor for me is
 the timeliness of the
 availability of releases, patches and patchsets. Sun
 Solaris 32-bit is the
 winner on this factor on the grounds that it is
 Oracle's internal
 development platform. All other platforms are ported
 from Sun Solaris
 32-bit. When that changes, my recommendation would
 of course also change, as
 it did when Oracle moved away from Digital/VMS.

 Anyone who has been in a situation where a bug was
 causing service failure
 and who heard that a patch was available for Solaris
 but not your platform
 knows where I'm coming from on this one.

 Note: for the exact same reason, never use 64-bit
 Oracle on Solaris unless
 you absolutely need the very-large-sga support.
 64-bit Oracle on Solaris is
 slow to get patches and releases.

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 What are you planning..? A religious war..:)
 well..here is my 2 cents,IMHO
 1. HP-UX
 2. SOlaris
 3. AIX

 in the order of preference. I have worked with all
 three and I found HP machines to be  reliable and
 HP-UX easy to work with. This is not to say solaris
 is
 not but I had some nightmare stroies to tell about
 the
 bugs and quality of support from SUN. Again this is
 only my opinion and as everybody knows OS is ,to
 some
 extent ,a matter of personal choice also.
 ( Running to put on flame proof suit..:) )

 Cheers,
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  options ..
  Thank you ...
 
 
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RE: run PL/SQL in background

2002-04-05 Thread Khedr, Waleed

Agree! what is wrong with dbms_job?

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Possibly DBMS_AQ.  What's wrong with DBMS_JOB?

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 We have a package that we want to run effectively in the background/batch
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 would run continually until a table value tells it to stop. Is there an
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RE: RMAN

2002-04-05 Thread Kimberly Smith

It does.  Damn thing installs automaagically in 8.1.7 if you are not
paying really close attention.  We caught it in the 9i install though.

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Steve,
 Good thought but I can not find any reference to Legato on the 8i for
Linux disks. I did find reference to a readmelsm.doc  in the index on
the 8i for Nt disk but I could not find the file or the software. Think
I will try the web for Legato for linux.
Ron

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I once used the scaled down version of Legato that came for free with
Oracle
and configured it without any problem. I used the tape drive on the DB
server. Does Legato still come with 8i or 9i?

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List,
  I need the name of a good book that deals specifically with RMAN. I
have read the fine manual and have found out that it basically works
with a third party vendor software if you are using tape as the backup
storage media. There has to be a way around this requirement. I have a
70 GIG test database that I would like to use Rman on and I am not
going
to use a catalog for RMAN. I have a system tape drive that I would
like
to use to backup each tablespace individually. I do not have a large
or
multi cartridge drive to use. Backup to disk is not possible as I do
not
have much free space.
 Could you please inform me of the contents of your
V$BACKUP_DEVICE.DEVICE_NAME if you use a tape drive for backups.
Thanks,
Ron
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Re: Off topic: Need ideas for 'Take your child to work' day 4/25

2002-04-05 Thread bill thater

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 Our office is doing 'Take your child to work' day and the plan is for an
 older child to shadow me for a little while as we do some simple Oracle dba
 or development work.
 
 I'd really like to make this meaningful by having the child do a task that's
 simpler (than optimizing all our procedures) but realistic (instead of being
 relegated to the lunchroom to watch tv) with me for an hour or so.
 
 Has anyone ever done this?  I'd appreciate any lessons learned or
 suggestions.  
 
 Thanks!
 
 Barbara
 

can you create a test db?  if you've got the space on a test server it 
would be ideal.  have them do the typing, and explain what each 
parameter is for and what it does.  then have them sign on and run 
catalog and catproc and watch all the stuff stream by.


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RE: Off topic: Need ideas for 'Take your child to work' day 4/25

2002-04-05 Thread Mark Leith

Yeah, and create a tablespace, with datafile - then create a table in that
tablespace (with PK etc.) and create an index for the PK and any other
fields that would warrant an index..

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4/25


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Our office is doing 'Take your child to work' day and the plan is for an
 older child to shadow me for a little while as we do some simple Oracle
dba
 or development work.

 I'd really like to make this meaningful by having the child do a task
that's
 simpler (than optimizing all our procedures) but realistic (instead of
being
 relegated to the lunchroom to watch tv) with me for an hour or so.

 Has anyone ever done this?  I'd appreciate any lessons learned or
 suggestions.

 Thanks!

 Barbara


can you create a test db?  if you've got the space on a test server it
would be ideal.  have them do the typing, and explain what each
parameter is for and what it does.  then have them sign on and run
catalog and catproc and watch all the stuff stream by.


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RE: Question about pl/sql code

2002-04-05 Thread Thomas, John

Looks like the variable borttags_flagg, set in:

OPEN c_t_PrisSubstitut
FOR
lvSQL;
FETCH c_t_PrisSubstitut
into tmpSubstitutPris,borttags_flagg,ButikPantBelopp;

--tmpsubstitutean,tmpSubstitutVarutyp;
CLOSE c_t_PrisSubstitut;

is set to NULL?


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Hallo,

I need  some help on this. I woiuld like to include the field borttags_flagg
in the table prisregister_kopia_wed but it fails and no records are
inserted.
In the eror table it says:
Missing expression
and the bad sql statement says INSERT INTO
PBK.PRISREGISTER_kopia_wed(BUTIKID,EAN,PERIOD,LAGSTAPRIS,PRIS,UNDERLAGID,SUB
STITUT,KOMMENTAR,BUTIKTYP,VARUTYP,REGICASTATUS,VARENR,LEVNR,VARE_SNR,BORTTAG
S_FLAGG) VALUES (116,7312300342180,'200206',
0,9.95,616,NULL,'null', 0 , 0, 1, 290799, 13173, 10, )




The pl/sql code is this file. (See attached file: procinsert.txt)






Here it is a missing value it should be a value after the last value 10.

Why doesnt the value for borttags_flagg get included when inserted in that
table.

Would really appreciate help.
Thanks in advance

Roland


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RE: Re[2]: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?

2002-04-05 Thread Kimberly Smith

Well, I will put in my two cents since everyone else is.
1.HP-UX
2.HP-UX
3.HP-UX
4.Solaris


Oracle works equally well on both of them (IMO) but HP provides you with
better support, better hardware, better reliability, etc.  Course, none
of that is free.  

All in all I have not been disappointed per say with Solaris (which
is a good thing cause I will be working with it ALOT from here on
it) but I have had far less issues with HP.

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Another shot across the bow:

Hp-UX if you like to sleep at night
Solaris if you want speed and sleepless nights
Aix if neither of the above is of any value in your life
Linux if both are valuable  $$$ are a consideration

Dick Goulet 

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here go the wars :)
1. Solaris
2. HP UX
3. IBM AIX

imho, in order.  this is definitely in the archives.

gene

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/04/02 11:36AM 
We are searching about which unix is best ? 
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Can you direct me to a link for comparison about SOLARIS , AIX , HP-UX  for
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Re: Seeking opinions

2002-04-05 Thread Paul Baumgartel

What happens when you run out of disk space on a mount point?  It
happened to me.  I created a new datafile on another mount point, and
then had to hear staff DBAs whining, why is there a rollback segment
tablespace file on /u004?, as though it was a major disaster.  Really,
when people get into this mindset of file A MUST be in directory B,
they lose all sight of what they should be doing (ensuring a smoothly
running database) and concentrate more on whether every file is in the
right place so that they don't have to query the data dictionary.

OK, I feel better now.  :-)


--- Rachel Carmichael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I had an SA teach me that one, and it's saved me from making a REALLY
 stupid mistake a number of times.
 
 As for your client's standards, I can see why they want to impose
 standards and that's a good thing. But they are a bit too rigid with
 it, as others have said, what happens if you run out of disk space on
 a
 mount point?
 
 I probably have bored most of the people on this list to death with
 this, but I still believe that the ONLY way to make sure if a
 datafile
 is part of the database is to query the database. All you need is one
 forgetful person who misplaces or misnames a file.
 
 Rachel
  
 --- Paul Baumgartel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  That's a great idea.  Henceforth I'm going to do the same!  Thanks.
  
  
  --- Rachel Carmichael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   and, on a Unix box, I ALWAYS do an fuser before deleting a
 file.
   Just
   in case.
   
   
   --- Jonathan Gennick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 02 Apr 2002 07:43:34 -0800, you wrote:

Great point.  I had recently created a DB file and forgot to
 put
   the
.dbf
extension on it.  If someone didn't query the DD of the DB
  first,
they might
have thought it was a junk/temp file (they would have to
 ignore
   the
file's
timestamp) and deleted it.

Yeah, naming convention or no, I can't imagine not looking
at v$datafile or dba_datafiles just to be sure.

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Re: ORA-27072/HP-UX file too large

2002-04-05 Thread Sakthi , Raj

How about ulimit. This looks like ulimit problem.
Check metalink Note:1067314.6 on this issue.
HTH
Cheers,
RS
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 Large file support is the first thing I checked (I
 should have put that
 in my post).  It's enabled on all volumes.
 
 --- Gene Sais [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  its an os problem, make sure your filesystems are
 large enabled.  aix
  has a 64gb filesize limit, forgot what hp ux is.
  
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/04/02 11:23AM 
  Hi, all. 
  
  Oracle 8.1.7.2.0 on HP-UX B.11.00.
  
  When performing a full database export, I'm
 getting
  
  EXP-8: ORACLE error 1114 encountered
  ORA-01114: IO error writing block to file 201
 (block # 366985)
  ORA-27072: skgfdisp: I/O error
  HP-UX Error: 27: File too large
  Additional information: 366985
  ORA-01114: IO error writing block to file 201
 (block # 366985)
  ORA-27072: skgfdisp: I/O error
  HP-UX Error: 27: File too large
  Additional information: 366985
  EXP-0: Export terminated unsuccessfully
  
  
  File 201 is a tempfile, for the temporary
 tablespace.  Its size is
  approx. 3 GB.  A similar full export runs nightly
 and succeeded last
  night (I can't be sure about all previous nights
 as they don't save
  the
  log files).
  
  Has anyone else seen this?  Why is export writing
 to the temporary
  tablespace?
  
  TIA
  
  
  
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Re: open resetlogs

2002-04-05 Thread Ruth Gramolini

If you go into rman with any target and at the rman prompt do;
list incarnation of database;

you will get a list of all of the databases in the recovery catalog and
which one is current and the resetlogs information.

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Re: Deleting old archive log files.

2002-04-05 Thread Igor Neyman

Is it that terrible? :))

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 My god, I am starting to sound like Jared.
 
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 I don't - but maybe take a look at the rman package
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 You could then use PL/SQl and the various v$ views to
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RE: Copy tables and indexes etc from one db to another

2002-04-05 Thread Magaliff, Bill

if the tables/indexes can be in self-contained tablespaces, check out the
Transportable Tablespace option

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export/import

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Re: Copy tables and indexes etc from one db to another

2002-04-05 Thread Ron Rogers

Roland,
 That all depends is a valid answer. If the tables are small and few a
full  export/import count be quick if the table are not created on the
new server. If the tables are large you might run into the file size
limitation of the OS and then an insert/select across a database link
might be the answer. If the tables are large you might want to do an
export with the select option to get portions of the data at a time. If
the databases are remotely located a copy across the database link could
be faster than an export, copy to tape, mail the tape, copy from tape,
and import the data.
With no specific information given you will get no specific answers.
 Generally an export/import is the fastest to move data from one
location to another.
ROR mª¿ªm

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Hallo,

anyone whom can tellme the easiest way to copy tables etc from one
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Thanks in advance

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RE: ora-12514

2002-04-05 Thread Hamid Alavi

Tom,
I have checked all the tnsname  sqlnet.ora for both side client  server
nothing have been changed after I shutdown the database, I have a question
how come it was working perefect before I shutdown the database, don't know
when you shutdown it's change some thing on tnsname etc.. or not???
second is can i have just one tnsname  sqlnet for both Oracle 8.1.6  8.1.7
, is any body know how to mange Dual Oracl-Home in one server, I beleive my
problem is comming from having two oracle-home and when I try to connect,
SQLPLUS still looking at 8.1.6 oracle-home and 8.1.6 tnsname on server side
 couldn't find the SERVICE-NAME.
Is anybody have any document to explain how to manage two version of oracle
on same server, I really stucked with this problem.
Thanks All


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Hamid,

I got stung with this just yesterday.  Look closely at the TNSNAMES file.
Check this example:

WTWT_DBDOL0A1ADVWTW =
  (DESCRIPTION =
(ADDRESS_LIST =
  (ADDRESS = (PROTOCOL = TCP)(HOST = Dbdol0a1advwtw)(PORT = 1521))
)
(CONNECT_DATA = (SERVICE_NAME = wtwt)(SERVER = DEDICATED))
  )

WTWT_DBDOL0A1ADVWTW =
  (DESCRIPTION =
(ADDRESS_LIST =
  (ADDRESS = (PROTOCOL = TCP)(HOST = Dbdol0a1advwtw)(PORT = 1521))
)
(CONNECT_DATA = (SID = wtwt)(SERVER = DEDICATED))
  )

Look at the CONNECT_DATA line.  Try changing the SERVICE_NAME to SID and try
connecting again.

Hope this helps.

Tom Mercadante
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Hi list,
I asked this question this morning but no reply so I try again may be some
chace.
I have created a new instance under 8.1.7 and test it yesterday was fine,
but this morning I try to shutdown the database and do some change on it
after complete shutdown when I try to open the database got ERROR ORA-12514
TNS LISTENER could not Resolve SERVICE-NAME given in connect Descriptor.
I have checked every thing non of tnsnames.ora or sqlnet.ora changed even I
try connect from the server but no chance, we have two oracle home at the
moment 8.16  8.1.7 on Sun Solaris.
Any body have any idea what's going on???
Appreciate your help.
Thanks.




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RE: DB Trigger to keep record of DDL

2002-04-05 Thread com . banilejas

Thanks Jesse and Stphane.

This script works,  and is more elegant than my workaround.

Tks.

Ramon



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It's your SELECT that's causing the ORA-1422.  If you're using 8i or 9i, you
can avoid the SELECT and use the SYS_CONTEXT function like this:

CREATE OR REPLACE TRIGGER CONTROL_DDL
   BEFORE DDL ON DATABASE
BEGIN
   INSERT INTO CONTROL_OBJETOS
(USUARIO,   BASE_DATOS,
HORA,   OPERACION, 
ESQUEMA,TIPO_OBJETO,
OBJETO, MAQUINA,
USUARIO_OS)
   VALUES
(ORA_LOGIN_USER,ORA_DATABASE_NAME,
SYSDATE,ORA_SYSEVENT,
ORA_DICT_OBJ_OWNER, ORA_DICT_OBJ_TYPE,
ORA_DICT_OBJ_NAME,  SYS_CONTEXT('USERENV','TERMINAL'),
SYS_CONTEXT('USERENV','OS_USER'));
END;

(Note: I didn't test this code)

HTH!  GL!  :)

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 I did that trigger, it works if the only is logged in just once.
 It gives me the errors of more rows returned 1422.
 
 How can I know in what session he is.
 
 CREATE OR REPLACE TRIGGER CONTROL_DDL
BEFORE DDL ON DATABASE
 DECLARE
NOMBRE_MAQUINA VARCHAR2(20);
USUARIO_MAQUINAVARCHAR2(20);
 BEGIN
SELECT MACHINE, OSUSER INTO NOMBRE_MAQUINA, USUARIO_MAQUINA
   FROM V$SESSION
WHERE
   USERNAME = ORA_LOGIN_USER;
 
INSERT INTO CONTROL_OBJETOS (USUARIO,  BASE_DATOS,
 HORA, OPERACION, 
 ESQUEMA,  TIPO_OBJETO,
 OBJETO,   MAQUINA,
 USUARIO_OS)
VALUES
(ORA_LOGIN_USER, ORA_DATABASE_NAME,
 SYSDATE,ORA_SYSEVENT,
 ORA_DICT_OBJ_OWNER, ORA_DICT_OBJ_TYPE,
 ORA_DICT_OBJ_NAME,  NOMBRE_MAQUINA,
 USUARIO_MAQUINA);
 END;
  
  
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Re: Copy tables and indexes etc from one db to another

2002-04-05 Thread DBarbour


Roland,

I have a theory..., never mind.  (Heavy sigh).

Have you ever heard of a thing called a db link?  Please try looking that
up.

David A. Barbour
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RE: Send mail from pl/sql

2002-04-05 Thread Jesse, Rich

Two questions:

1) Why should the client matter?
2) What is the web address of the site you mention?

TIA!

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 Which mail client are you looking it for. If it is for MS 
 outlook, you can
 check at Perter Koltez's site
 
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 Hallo,
 
 Does anyone have a good example on a procedure how to send email from
 Pl/SQL. What I want to happen is to do  a select statement 
 and then send a
 mail with the result to the  address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Please help me with this. I would appreciate it very miuch.
 
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parallel sql*load and extents

2002-04-05 Thread Gurelei

Hi all. 

I apologise if it is a duplicate post. I didn't see
this message on the list so I'm trying again.

We have a table with initial set to 32K and next set
to 1M. This table is being loaded daily via a 
SQL*Loader in parallel mode (8 way) with direct=true.
When I look at this table in the dba_Segments I see
that all the new extents are 16K and looks like many
of them are empty. I read a few documents regarding
sql*loader in parallel direct mode, but I'm still
confused as to why are these extents are all 16K
instead of being 32K (some) and 1M (most). Also why do
I see unused blocks ?

thank you
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RE: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?

2002-04-05 Thread James Morle

Yes, let's not miss an opportunity to remind Evil Bill of his
contribution to the wonderful world of UNIX. Xenix/286...

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 How about XENIX?
 
 : )
 
 Regards,
 Patrice Boivin
 Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
 
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 I'm very suprised no one has said Linux.  ??  It is one of 
 the first tier platforms for Oracle now, isn't it? I also 
 thought I read on this list a while back that Solaris was no 
 longer the dev platform?  
 
 Guess it all depends on what strengths you are looking for.  
 For my employer, who is CHEAP, it was Windows.  Who cares 
 that it's not as stable as I would like.  You should have 
 seen the VP grin at me with this patronizing smile when he 
 said, I'll approve $35,000 for this project!, like he had 
 done me a huge favor.  I wanted to growl. 
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Unistall Oracle

2002-04-05 Thread Hamid Alavi

Hi list,
How can I Uninstall Oracle from sun OS 5.7, 
THX



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deferred constraints

2002-04-05 Thread Bill Becker

Hello,

Env: 8.1.6.0.0 on Solaris 2.7

From reading the docs regarding constraint states, it sounds
like there is no difference in constraint behaviour between
a constraint created as not deferred vs a constraint created
as deferred and initially immediate. Is this correct?

The only difference I can see is that a constraint created as
deferred can subsequently be altered to other constraint states,
whereas a constraint created as not deferred cannot.

If the above is correct, is it a good practice to make the default
for constraint creation deferred and initially immediate?
The justification for this would be the flexibility of altering
the constraint state, should the need ever arise.

How do most of you create your constraints, as deferred or not deferred?

Thanks to any responders.
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Re: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?

2002-04-05 Thread Sakthi , Raj

Paul,
I am glad you are on your way to 'controlled molecular
restructuring and HP-iozation' (??!) ..;)
Mind telling me What made you say HP's is losing
performance race..?
I am on HP mid level (N class) 4 way server 64 bit and
our Database is 210 Gigs High end OLTP database with 
  12 TPS and severe response time restrictions(1 sec
or less.) I am beating the response time by several
milliseconds and I haven't even maxed out the
processors yet...!!

HTH
Cheers,
RS

--- Paul Vallee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This is great information Raj. I've run a test that
 is completely consistent
 with this.
 
 For instance: Go to Metalink and click the Patches
 item in the left menu.
 Then choose product family Oracle Server and
 product RDBMS Server,
 release 9.0.1.3.
 Select the HP9000 Series HP/UX 64-bit platform and
 choose All Product
 Patches.
 
 Repeat for Sun Sparc Solaris. Although the Sun
 list is quite lengthy
 compared to most other platforms (7 entries), the HP
 list has significantly
 more patches (15 entries).
 
 For me, this is a significant decision influencer
 when choosing a platform
 for Oracle. However, HP is definitely losing the
 performance race... :-)
 Tough one.
 
 Thanks again,
 Paul
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 Paul ,
 ORACLE switched from solaris to HP-UX somewhere in
 mid
 2000 for their tier I platform. ALso I think at 
 this
 time compaq and HP are the only true 64 bit
 architectures available. That of course swings the
 scale in HPs favour...:)
 
 Cheers,
 RS
 --- Paul Vallee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Might as well get my two cents in... :-)
 
  1. Solaris
  Tied for 2... AIX, Tru64, HP/UX
 
  (leaving NUMA out of the equation for now. If you
  like NUMA, then look into
  the status of IBM's acquisition of Sequent, I'm
 out
  of touch with that right
  now.)
 
  Different hardware solutions from different
 vendors
  have different
  performance, stability and cost characteristics,
 and
  so I'll assume that all
  vendors have an appropriate solution on these
  factors, this may not be the
  case.
 
  With these assumptions, the primary factor for me
 is
  the timeliness of the
  availability of releases, patches and patchsets.
 Sun
  Solaris 32-bit is the
  winner on this factor on the grounds that it is
  Oracle's internal
  development platform. All other platforms are
 ported
  from Sun Solaris
  32-bit. When that changes, my recommendation would
  of course also change, as
  it did when Oracle moved away from Digital/VMS.
 
  Anyone who has been in a situation where a bug was
  causing service failure
  and who heard that a patch was available for
 Solaris
  but not your platform
  knows where I'm coming from on this one.
 
  Note: for the exact same reason, never use 64-bit
  Oracle on Solaris unless
  you absolutely need the very-large-sga support.
  64-bit Oracle on Solaris is
  slow to get patches and releases.
 
  Best,
  Paul
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  What are you planning..? A religious war..:)
  well..here is my 2 cents,IMHO
  1. HP-UX
  2. SOlaris
  3. AIX
 
  in the order of preference. I have worked with all
  three and I found HP machines to be  reliable and
  HP-UX easy to work with. This is not to say
 solaris
  is
  not but I had some nightmare stroies to tell about
  the
  bugs and quality of support from SUN. Again this
 is
  only my opinion and as everybody knows OS is ,to
  some
  extent ,a matter of personal choice also.
  ( Running to put on flame proof suit..:) )
 
  Cheers,
  RS
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   We will apply 9ias and 8.1.7 DB . plus Oracle
   Portal.
   Can you direct me to a link for comparison about
   SOLARIS , AIX , HP-UX  for performance and other
   options ..
   Thank you ...
  
  
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   Oracle DBA / Developer
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RE: Re[2]: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?

2002-04-05 Thread SARKAR, Samir

My experiance is just the opposite :

1. Solaris
2. Solaris
3. Solaris
4. HP-UX
5. AIX
6. Digital Unix 
7. SCO Unix

Solaris has much better features and is more reliable as per my experience.
For eg. only Solaris provides the option to use Asynchronous I/O for file
systems 
as well as raw devices. Asynchronous I/O on HP will b used only while
accessing 
raw devices.
I think that the Oracle software is primarily written on Solaris these days.

Samir

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Well, I will put in my two cents since everyone else is.
1.HP-UX
2.HP-UX
3.HP-UX
4.Solaris


Oracle works equally well on both of them (IMO) but HP provides you with
better support, better hardware, better reliability, etc.  Course, none
of that is free.  

All in all I have not been disappointed per say with Solaris (which
is a good thing cause I will be working with it ALOT from here on
it) but I have had far less issues with HP.

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Another shot across the bow:

Hp-UX if you like to sleep at night
Solaris if you want speed and sleepless nights
Aix if neither of the above is of any value in your life
Linux if both are valuable  $$$ are a consideration

Dick Goulet 

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Author: Gene Sais [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:   4/4/2002 9:24 AM

here go the wars :)
1. Solaris
2. HP UX
3. IBM AIX

imho, in order.  this is definitely in the archives.

gene

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/04/02 11:36AM 
We are searching about which unix is best ? 
We will apply 9ias and 8.1.7 DB . plus Oracle Portal. 
Can you direct me to a link for comparison about SOLARIS , AIX , HP-UX  for
performance and other options .. 
Thank you ...


Bunyamin K. Karadeniz   
Oracle DBA / Developer
Civilian IT Department
Havelsan A.S. Eskisehir yolu 
7.km Ankara Turkey
Phone: +90 312 2873565 / 1217
Mobile : +90 535 3357729

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RE: run PL/SQL in background

2002-04-05 Thread John Dunn

It can be an acceptable solution if you increase job_processes
accordingly.

Yes, the developers approach is to have these processes sleep using
dbms_lock.

My main concern with starting these via dbms_jobs is that if the number of
such long running PL/SQL procedures grows, so will the number of
job_processes.  I am vary of having too many ora_snp processes running since
presumably they use system resources in their own right?

John
 

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 John,
 
   A PL/SQL procedure run from dbms_job doesn't run continually - it is
 regularly restarted, which is quite different. The problem with
 continually running processes, PL/SQL or others, is that they have an
 innate tendency to take the CPU and not release it. If you want your
 solution to be viable, you need the process to block on something to give
 a chance to the other, competing processes - or you put it in polling mode
 (there's a kind of SLEEP function in one of the supplied packages, cannot
 remember which), or (what I'd prefer) you make it regularly wait on a
 DBMS_PIPE.RECEIVE or a DBMS_ALERT.WAITxxx, with or without a timeout
 shorter than your life expectancy. Now, for starting such a process, if
 you use DBMS_JOB it means that you will 'sacrifice', so to speak, a job
 process which will not be able to do anything else. It can be an
 acceptable solution if you increase job_processes accordingly. Or you can
 have the procedure called by SQL*Plus conveniently wrapped into an OS sc!
 !
 ript, and make the OS script a detached process.
 
 HTH
 
 S Faroult
 
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 We have a package that we want to run effectively
 in the background/batch
 mode, i.e detached from the pl/sql that initates
 it. Basically the package
 would run continually until a table value tells it
 to stop. Is there an
 alternative to using dbms_job?
 
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Audit DB

2002-04-05 Thread com . banilejas

Hi List,

Is there any article that describe the pros and cons about activating the audit 
options in a Database.  In oracle class manuals and Oracle 8i Administrator Guide,  
there is not enough information about that topic.

What I have read and heard is that DB Audit should be the last option due to the 
amount of information that gathers.

I would like something more detailed about this.

Tks

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RE: Off topic: Need ideas for 'Take your child to work' day 4/25

2002-04-05 Thread Orr, Steve

 Give them root access and let them have at it!! 
No... Just give them OEM and let them point and click to their hearts desire
so they can be just as dangerous as a real JUNIOR DBA. 



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4/25


Give them root access and let them have at it!!  Remember, it's a learning
experience.  Actually I have done this with my kids and I had then go on a
tour with someone that knows that manufacturing facility, and then had them
spend time in order entry, and the some time in the distribution center.
They also had some time in the IS department but by showing them the whole
facility they can see that what you do effects everything.  They can only
sit and watch you type for so long.  Oh yea, I also let them spend some time
with the PC techs and they got to fix some PC's.

Dave

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Our office is doing 'Take your child to work' day and the plan is for an
older child to shadow me for a little while as we do some simple Oracle dba
or development work.

I'd really like to make this meaningful by having the child do a task that's
simpler (than optimizing all our procedures) but realistic (instead of being
relegated to the lunchroom to watch tv) with me for an hour or so.

Has anyone ever done this?  I'd appreciate any lessons learned or
suggestions.  

Thanks!

Barbara
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9i 1Z0-007 Exam

2002-04-05 Thread KENNETH JANUSZ



Has anyone taken this test? If so I would like your 
feedback.

Thanks,
Ken Janusz, CPIM


Re: Unistall Oracle

2002-04-05 Thread Ray Stell


man rm

On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 07:23:32AM -0800, Hamid Alavi wrote:
 Hi list,
 How can I Uninstall Oracle from sun OS 5.7, 
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Re: Favourite Urban Myth

2002-04-05 Thread Rodd Holman




That depends on how much system level work the DBA has to do. If the SA's are good and understand Oracle RDBMS system requirements then no the DBA can do without root. They do need access to the Oracle related file systems, /tmp, and the application filesystems.



Rodd



On Thu, 2002-04-04 at 10:18, Dave Morgan wrote:

The DBA needs root privileges on the server

This is one of my interview questions.

Dave

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Re: Seeking opinions

2002-04-05 Thread Rachel Carmichael

I'm not disagreeing with you - that's my point in saying look inside
the database!


--- Paul Baumgartel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What happens when you run out of disk space on a mount point?  It
 happened to me.  I created a new datafile on another mount point, and
 then had to hear staff DBAs whining, why is there a rollback segment
 tablespace file on /u004?, as though it was a major disaster. 
 Really,
 when people get into this mindset of file A MUST be in directory B,
 they lose all sight of what they should be doing (ensuring a smoothly
 running database) and concentrate more on whether every file is in
 the
 right place so that they don't have to query the data dictionary.
 
 OK, I feel better now.  :-)
 
 
 --- Rachel Carmichael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I had an SA teach me that one, and it's saved me from making a
 REALLY
  stupid mistake a number of times.
  
  As for your client's standards, I can see why they want to impose
  standards and that's a good thing. But they are a bit too rigid
 with
  it, as others have said, what happens if you run out of disk space
 on
  a
  mount point?
  
  I probably have bored most of the people on this list to death with
  this, but I still believe that the ONLY way to make sure if a
  datafile
  is part of the database is to query the database. All you need is
 one
  forgetful person who misplaces or misnames a file.
  
  Rachel
   
  --- Paul Baumgartel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   That's a great idea.  Henceforth I'm going to do the same! 
 Thanks.
   
   
   --- Rachel Carmichael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
and, on a Unix box, I ALWAYS do an fuser before deleting a
  file.
Just
in case.


--- Jonathan Gennick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, 02 Apr 2002 07:43:34 -0800, you wrote:
 
 Great point.  I had recently created a DB file and forgot to
  put
the
 .dbf
 extension on it.  If someone didn't query the DD of the DB
   first,
 they might
 have thought it was a junk/temp file (they would have to
  ignore
the
 file's
 timestamp) and deleted it.
 
 Yeah, naming convention or no, I can't imagine not looking
 at v$datafile or dba_datafiles just to be sure.
 
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RE: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?

2002-04-05 Thread Orr, Steve

Lot's of listers have presented nice lists but if you don't have Linux on
your list then your experience is woefully incomplete. Long live Linux! The
war is on and those who don't join this camp soon will find themselves on
the losing side! :-)

I did HPUX. I did Solaris. Now I'm doing Linux and life is wonderful. 

Unopinionatedly yours,
Archie Bunker Steve Orr


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My experiance is just the opposite :

1. Solaris
2. Solaris
3. Solaris
4. HP-UX
5. AIX
6. Digital Unix 
7. SCO Unix

Solaris has much better features and is more reliable as per my experience.
For eg. only Solaris provides the option to use Asynchronous I/O for file
systems 
as well as raw devices. Asynchronous I/O on HP will b used only while
accessing 
raw devices.
I think that the Oracle software is primarily written on Solaris these days.

Samir

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Well, I will put in my two cents since everyone else is.
1.HP-UX
2.HP-UX
3.HP-UX
4.Solaris


Oracle works equally well on both of them (IMO) but HP provides you with
better support, better hardware, better reliability, etc.  Course, none
of that is free.  

All in all I have not been disappointed per say with Solaris (which
is a good thing cause I will be working with it ALOT from here on
it) but I have had far less issues with HP.

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Another shot across the bow:

Hp-UX if you like to sleep at night
Solaris if you want speed and sleepless nights
Aix if neither of the above is of any value in your life
Linux if both are valuable  $$$ are a consideration

Dick Goulet 

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here go the wars :)
1. Solaris
2. HP UX
3. IBM AIX

imho, in order.  this is definitely in the archives.

gene

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Thank you ...


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Bought a Coriolis book at 75% off, how safe is my cust info?

2002-04-05 Thread Brad Weiner



On their web site it's 75% off so I finally 
bought the black book. Now I had to supply my email, credit card #, home 
address. Since they'll be selling off everything including customer info (I 
assume), how safe was it, just to save $30 on the 
book?


RE: run PL/SQL in background

2002-04-05 Thread Khedr, Waleed

Any job requires a process and process is a process...it does not matter if
it's snp a process or a shadow process.

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It can be an acceptable solution if you increase job_processes
accordingly.

Yes, the developers approach is to have these processes sleep using
dbms_lock.

My main concern with starting these via dbms_jobs is that if the number of
such long running PL/SQL procedures grows, so will the number of
job_processes.  I am vary of having too many ora_snp processes running since
presumably they use system resources in their own right?

John
 

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   A PL/SQL procedure run from dbms_job doesn't run continually - it is
 regularly restarted, which is quite different. The problem with
 continually running processes, PL/SQL or others, is that they have an
 innate tendency to take the CPU and not release it. If you want your
 solution to be viable, you need the process to block on something to give
 a chance to the other, competing processes - or you put it in polling mode
 (there's a kind of SLEEP function in one of the supplied packages, cannot
 remember which), or (what I'd prefer) you make it regularly wait on a
 DBMS_PIPE.RECEIVE or a DBMS_ALERT.WAITxxx, with or without a timeout
 shorter than your life expectancy. Now, for starting such a process, if
 you use DBMS_JOB it means that you will 'sacrifice', so to speak, a job
 process which will not be able to do anything else. It can be an
 acceptable solution if you increase job_processes accordingly. Or you can
 have the procedure called by SQL*Plus conveniently wrapped into an OS sc!
 !
 ript, and make the OS script a detached process.
 
 HTH
 
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 We have a package that we want to run effectively
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 to stop. Is there an
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Re: Re[2]: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?

2002-04-05 Thread Rodd Holman




Dick,

I agree completely with your #1. We run on all of these platforms here (the Linux is running off my desktop). I have not had any Oracle support calls on the AIX system, but it is a very lightly used db. IBM's hw support response is awesome though. I put it above HP's which is pretty good for our area. (Location caveat: I am in Sioux Falls, SD - ANY call will most likely be a minimum of 4HRS wait probably 8 depending on the vendor). I haven't dealt with Sun support here. As mentioned in other posts, I am my support for Linux. We met with Oracle and HP reps back in 2001. They did confirm that HP is the development platform for Oracle, and that 64bit is being worked on both the PA-RISC and IA64 processors on HP. So...

 1. HP

 2. AIX (fast hw support in the boonies is cool)

 3. Sun (Have fits with ksh on Sun it doesn't work the same as the other two)

 4. Linux (May move up if had 3rd party 7X24 support available)



Rodd Holman



On Thu, 2002-04-04 at 14:08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Another shot across the bow:

Hp-UX if you like to sleep at night
Solaris if you want speed and sleepless nights
Aix if neither of the above is of any value in your life
Linux if both are valuable  $$$ are a consideration

Dick Goulet 

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here go the wars :)
1. Solaris
2. HP UX
3. IBM AIX

imho, in order.  this is definitely in the archives.

gene

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/04/02 11:36AM 
We are searching about which unix is best ? 
We will apply 9ias and 8.1.7 DB . plus Oracle Portal. 
Can you direct me to a link for comparison about SOLARIS , AIX , HP-UX  for
performance and other options .. 
Thank you ...


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Mobile : +90 535 3357729

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Re: Unistall Oracle

2002-04-05 Thread Ron Rogers

Hamid,
 The safest way to uninstall Oracle is the same way it was installed.
Use the installer software and then choose the uninstall option for the
selected items.
  Place to Oracle disk in the CDROM and follow the onscreen
instructions if it is a GUI install.
ROR mª¿ªm

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RE: Audit DB

2002-04-05 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS

Ramon - Perhaps you could tell us what you are trying to accomplish with
autiting. I haven't used it myself, but the amount of information will
depend on how much auditing you turn on. 
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Hi List,

Is there any article that describe the pros and cons about activating the
audit options in a Database.  In oracle class manuals and Oracle 8i
Administrator Guide,  there is not enough information about that topic.

What I have read and heard is that DB Audit should be the last option due to
the amount of information that gathers.

I would like something more detailed about this.

Tks

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Moving From Rule-Based to Cost-Based

2002-04-05 Thread Sam Bootsma

Hello All,

At our site, we are use rule based optimization.  We are careful to write
SQL that performs well under this mode.  Some of our SQL also contains
hints.  When we provide our application to clients, we default it to use
Rule-based.  However, some clients may choose to run our application in
cost-based mode.  This will be as simple as analyzing all tables and indexes
in our schemas', and changing the mode to use cost based.  

My Questions:  
1.  How likely is it that our application will perform worse under
cost-based than it does under rule-based.  What has been the experience of
others on the list who have moved from Rule-based to Cost-based?
2.  What are some of the underlying reasons for performance to decline when
making such a move?  What are some gotchas to watch for?
3.  Is there more that needs to be done to move from rule to cost?  (Other
than changing the optimization mode and analyzing tables and indexes)?

Most clients run our database on NT, although some use UNIX.  Assume Oracle
9i.   Our database (at client sites) tends to be small, with the largest
being about 25 GB.  

Thanks for any suggestions, 

Sam Bootsma
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Re: Connecting to Oracle via Perl

2002-04-05 Thread Jared Still

On Wednesday 03 April 2002 06:53, Koivu, Lisa wrote:
 * Anytime I connect to sql*plus (I don't do it with DBI) I use the
 system call and refer to the parameter value in  the hash within my connect
 string:  $$parms_ref{'elvis_pw'}.  I don't use DBI because my calls are to
 fire stored procedures, and if I remember right the DBI doesn't support
 calling stored procs.  Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Ok, you're wrong. :)

Check out the DBD::Oracle docs, stored procedures definitely work.

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Entry Level Pay Question

2002-04-05 Thread JoJo Zawawi

Hi folks,

Can anyone give me a general idea of entry level (junior) Oracle DBA
(certified) in the Los Angeles area?

Thanks!
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Re: Deleting old archive log files.

2002-04-05 Thread Jared Still


Years of Perl evangelism are finally paying off.  :)

Jared


On Friday 05 April 2002 07:18, Igor Neyman wrote:
 Is it that terrible? :))

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  My god, I am starting to sound like Jared.
 
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  I don't - but maybe take a look at the rman package
  (dbms_rman.delete_file or something like that) which
  allows you to delete files from the operating system.
 
  You could then use PL/SQl and the various v$ views to
  determine which archives you want to toast.
 
  hth
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RE: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?

2002-04-05 Thread Weaver, Walt

As Steve's bunkermate I'll second the Linux thing. We're having good luck
with Linux here.

I've done AIX and Solaris, and Linux is up there with'em.

--Walt Weaver
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Lot's of listers have presented nice lists but if you don't have Linux on
your list then your experience is woefully incomplete. Long live Linux! The
war is on and those who don't join this camp soon will find themselves on
the losing side! :-)

I did HPUX. I did Solaris. Now I'm doing Linux and life is wonderful. 

Unopinionatedly yours,
Archie Bunker Steve Orr


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My experiance is just the opposite :

1. Solaris
2. Solaris
3. Solaris
4. HP-UX
5. AIX
6. Digital Unix 
7. SCO Unix

Solaris has much better features and is more reliable as per my experience.
For eg. only Solaris provides the option to use Asynchronous I/O for file
systems 
as well as raw devices. Asynchronous I/O on HP will b used only while
accessing 
raw devices.
I think that the Oracle software is primarily written on Solaris these days.

Samir

Samir Sarkar
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Well, I will put in my two cents since everyone else is.
1.HP-UX
2.HP-UX
3.HP-UX
4.Solaris


Oracle works equally well on both of them (IMO) but HP provides you with
better support, better hardware, better reliability, etc.  Course, none
of that is free.  

All in all I have not been disappointed per say with Solaris (which
is a good thing cause I will be working with it ALOT from here on
it) but I have had far less issues with HP.

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Another shot across the bow:

Hp-UX if you like to sleep at night
Solaris if you want speed and sleepless nights
Aix if neither of the above is of any value in your life
Linux if both are valuable  $$$ are a consideration

Dick Goulet 

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here go the wars :)
1. Solaris
2. HP UX
3. IBM AIX

imho, in order.  this is definitely in the archives.

gene

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/04/02 11:36AM 
We are searching about which unix is best ? 
We will apply 9ias and 8.1.7 DB . plus Oracle Portal. 
Can you direct me to a link for comparison about SOLARIS , AIX , HP-UX  for
performance and other options .. 
Thank you ...


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Re: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?

2002-04-05 Thread Paul Vallee

Hi Raj, list

Few systems running Oracle require market-leading performance to function
well. (There are some, don't get me wrong.) So I believe that even if an
architecture is slower it can be more appropriate if it's priced right and
has other important characteristics. Also, the highest-end machines of the
slowest architecture can easily stomp on the mid-range machines of the other
architectures. We all agree on that.

However, it's my understanding (eager to learn!) that HP is still losing in
overall CPU performance to IBM, Sun and Digital/Compaq as a result of the
neglect the PA-RISC architecture suffered at the hands of Rick Belluzo. I
know that HP has reinvested vast sums of money into it because of the IA-64
delays, but last I heard it had improved things dramatically but not yet
enough. Here are some references.

Again, I'm very interested in this subject as I'm often called upon to
recommend hardware purchases and platform selections. :-)

From http://www.itworld.com/Comp/2149/swol-0119-flavors/
(where the other suspects are also reviewed)

Hewlett-Packard HP-UX

Current release: HP-UX 11i
Platform: HP 9000 servers
Standard: Unix 95
Application score: 9 out of 10
Advantages: HP has a solid reputation for reliability and service; HP-UX
comes with a substantial OS bundle including a Web server, C/C++, Windows
networking, WAP (Wireless Application Protocol) services, Linux APIs,
iPlanet directory server, and Veritas file system.
Disadvantages: HP PA-RISC architecture is falling behind in performance
relative to the competition.
Prognosis: Hewlett-Packard is the Volvo of IT: It quietly churns out ugly,
bulletproof boxes that virtually care for themselves. HP is rarely first or
fastest, but it packs enormous value into its Unix products.
Not surprisingly, HP-UX is almost Linux-like in its completeness, with
time-proven enterprise tools and services included in the bundle.
HP's inclusion of the Veritas journaling file system moves HP-UX 11i to the
front of the pack.
Once HP catches up to rivals' performance and certifies HP-UX as Unix
98-compliant, it could move ahead of Sun and IBM.

from... http://www.chipcenter.com/eexpert/dgilbert/dgilbert050.html
Hewlett Packard was the first manufacturer to pursue the advantages of
using Intel chips in both 32-bit and 64-bit system architectures, and they
played a vital role in the development of the new Itanium architecture. This
path was taken to get away from pouring more money into their PA-RISC chips,
among other reasons.
Now the only two players left in the 64-bit RISC game are IBM and Sun
Microsystems. IBM has effectively unlimited staying power since they can
perform all levels of chip design and production in-house. Sun Microsystems
does not enjoy this autonomy since they outsource their manufacturing to
Texas Instruments, and it is likely that this factor may ultimately hinder
their ability to continue providing their own architecture of RISC processor
for the server and workstation market.
Is it just a matter of time before we are left with Intel and IBM? Will the
RISC architecture be able to carry forward in the server and workstation
market?

And although this following article has a IBM bias (because of the
association with Apple Computer), it's an interesting read that covers the
history of the PA/IA-64 fiasco well:
http://www.macedition.net/soup/soup_20020318.php

Cheers,
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Paul,
I am glad you are on your way to 'controlled molecular
restructuring and HP-iozation' (??!) ..;)
Mind telling me What made you say HP's is losing
performance race..?
I am on HP mid level (N class) 4 way server 64 bit and
our Database is 210 Gigs High end OLTP database with
  12 TPS and severe response time restrictions(1 sec
or less.) I am beating the response time by several
milliseconds and I haven't even maxed out the
processors yet...!!

HTH
Cheers,
RS

--- Paul Vallee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This is great information Raj. I've run a test that
 is completely consistent
 with this.

 For instance: Go to Metalink and click the Patches
 item in the left menu.
 Then choose product family Oracle Server and
 product RDBMS Server,
 release 9.0.1.3.
 Select the HP9000 Series HP/UX 64-bit platform and
 choose All Product
 Patches.

 Repeat for Sun Sparc Solaris. Although the Sun
 list is quite lengthy
 compared to most other platforms (7 entries), the HP
 list has significantly
 more patches (15 entries).

 For me, this is a significant decision influencer
 when choosing a platform
 for Oracle. However, HP is definitely losing the
 performance race... :-)
 Tough one.

 Thanks again,
 Paul
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Entry Level Pay Question - Revised

2002-04-05 Thread JoJo Zawawi




Duh, I forgot the word "PAY" in my question. 
What's the salary range for an entry level certified OracleDBA in the Los 
Angeles area?

Thanks!,
JoJo



RE: Off topic: Need ideas for 'Take your child to work' day 4/25

2002-04-05 Thread Scott . Shafer

Do not let the kiddo hit return until you've reviewed what is typed on
each line.  Kudos for making the effort, although a DBA's day would probably
create emotional scarring in young children...  grin

Scott Shafer
San Antonio, TX
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 4/25
 
 Our office is doing 'Take your child to work' day and the plan is for an
 older child to shadow me for a little while as we do some simple Oracle
 dba
 or development work.
 
 I'd really like to make this meaningful by having the child do a task
 that's
 simpler (than optimizing all our procedures) but realistic (instead of
 being
 relegated to the lunchroom to watch tv) with me for an hour or so.
 
 Has anyone ever done this?  I'd appreciate any lessons learned or
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Re: Exe Loading too slow on DB Server

2002-04-05 Thread Jared Still


Could it be the otrace problem?

Check to see if you have some large log files in $ORACLE_HOME/otrace/admin

If so, there is info on MetaLink on correcting this.

Jared

On Tuesday 02 April 2002 19:33, VIVEK_SHARMA wrote:
 Are there any Best Practices of Tuning Solaris 8 for HIGH-End heavily
 Loaded Machines ?

 A Brief Description of the Issue  Actions Below :-

 Machine E6500
 RAM 20 GB
 CPUs = 20
 SWAP = 26 GB

 After Migration from Oracle 7.3.4 to 8.1.7.2  on Solaris 2.8

 sqlplus becomes SLOW as the Number of Unix Users Connecting to the Database
 Increases to about 400 whereafter even after all users are logged out the
 response continues to be Slow even after the machine is Booted  i.e. ON
 Issuing the Command $ sqlplus it took about 5 minutes for the following
 Message to appear : -

  SQL*Plus: Release 8.1.7. 0.0 - Production on Tue Mar 19 09:56:05 2002

 (c) Copyright 2000 Oracle Corporation.  All rights reserved.

 Enter user-name: 

 NOTE - This Slowness is Observed BOTH When Issuing sqlplus Command
 DIRECTLY on the DB Server  Also from the APP Server Via SQL*Net

 NOTE - In Oracle 7 NO such Slowness was Observed when the Total of 1200
 Connect to the Database

 - Executed truss sqlplus with the Following Output :-
 $ truss sqlplus
 execve(/arch/oracle/bin/sqlplus, 0xFFBEFBBC, 0xFFBEFBC4)  argc = 1
 mmap(0x, 8192, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE|PROT_EXEC,
 MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANON, -1, 0) = 0xFF3A resolvepath(/usr/lib/ld.so.1,
 /usr/lib/ld.so.1, 1023) = 16
 stat(/arch/oracle/bin/sqlplus, 0xFFBEF8F8)= 0
 open(/var/ld/ld.config, O_RDONLY) Err#2 ENOENT
 open(/arch/oracle/lib/libclntsh.so.8.0, O_RDONLY) = 3
 fstat(3, 0xFFBEF28C)= 0
 mmap(0x, 8192, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0xFF39
 mmap(0x, 6717440, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) =
 0xFEC0 mmap(0xFF224000, 209704, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE|PROT_EXEC,
 MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 3, 6373376) =

 0xFF224000
 mmap(0xFF258000, 58832, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE|PROT_EXEC,
 MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANON, -1, 0) =

 0xFF258000
 munmap(0xFF216000, 57344)   = 0
 memcntl(0xFEC0, 672560, MC_ADVISE, MADV_WILLNEED, 0, 0) = 0
 close(3)  -  WAIT HAPPENING AT THIS POINT

 ACTIONS
 ON RE-Creating file libclntsh.so.8.0 using getclntsh on the APP Server
 Response Message  SQL*Plus: Release 8.1.7.2.  became FAST ONLY for a
 FEW Minutes whereafter it again Became Slow

 Copied libclntsh.so.8.0  to /usr/lib Dir Both on APP  DB Servers  Set
 LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib:$ORACLE_HOME/lib whereafter the response to
 sqlplus became for Establishment of upto 500 Process Connections Directly
 on the DB Server .

 On Adding the Following Parameters to the /etc/system the Slowdown of
 sqlplus Connect to the Database Started Occuring after 850 Process
 Connections Instead of 500 (Previously) When Executing Directly on the
 Database Server machine .

 set tcp:tcp_conn_hash_size=262144

 set rlim_fd_max=8092
 set rlim_fd_cur=8092
 set autoup=900
 set tune_t_fsflushr=1
 set bufhwm=8000

 INCREASED the Semaphores to the Following Values :-

 - /etc/system File on the DB  APP Servers :-

 set shmsys:share_page_table=1
 set maxuprc=2
 set maxusers=1500

 set shmsys:shminfo_shmseg=200
 set shmsys:shminfo_shmmin=2
 set shmsys:shminfo_shmmni=5000
 set shmsys:shminfo_shmmax=25769803776
 forceload: sys/shmsys
 forceload: sys/shmsys
 set semsys:seminfo_semmsl=1000
 set semsys:seminfo_semaem=16384
 set semsys:seminfo_semmap=70
 set semsys:seminfo_semmni=6
 set semsys:seminfo_semmns=10
 set semsys:seminfo_semmnu=1
 set semsys:seminfo_semume=100
 set semsys:seminfo_semvmx=32767


 Because of Increase of SEMAPHORES ( semmns to 100,000 from 20,000 ) the
 Slowdown of sqlplus to Establish a Connect to Database started Occuring
 after 1050 Process Connections Instead of 850 (Previously) .

 We are yet to try the Settings of Reducing swapfs_minfree , noatime Option
 with mount , inode cache Hit ratio as advised Below

 -Original Message-
 Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 12:11 AM
 To: VIVEK_SHARMA
 Servers

You may need more swap.  I've had the best luck with multiple 1-Gbyte
swap partitions on different devices.

 V After Migration from Oracle 7.3.4 to 8.1.7.2 on Solaris 2.8 sqlplus
 V becomes SLOW as the Number of Unix Users Connecting to the Database
 V Increases to about 400 whereafter even after all users are logged out
 V the response continues to be Slow even after the machine is Booted

Some suggestions are below.  You may be spending too much time scanning
memory for dirty pages.

 If you have an application that's an incredible swap hog, or the system is
 really slowing down, try adding the lines below to /etc/system and
 rebooting.  I run with these settings and they've never caused me trouble.

 *
 * Swap
 *   System keeps 1/8th of all memory for swap, which is too much for
 *   a 4GB system.  Reduce that to 32 Mbytes (4096 8K pages).
 set 

RE: Bought a Coriolis book at 75% off, how safe is my cust info?

2002-04-05 Thread Scott . Shafer

As safe as giving your info over the phone.  If they're going to sell it,
they're going to sell it...

Scott Shafer
San Antonio, TX
210-581-6217


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 On their web site it's 75% off so I finally bought the black book. Now I
 had to supply my email, credit card #, home address. Since they'll be
 selling off everything including customer info (I assume), how safe was
 it, just to save $30 on the book?   
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Re: RMAN

2002-04-05 Thread Jared Still


Not very likely.  The tech book market is in the dumps already, and
this book would be rather esoteric.

Jared

On Thursday 04 April 2002 12:08, DENNIS WILLIAMS wrote:
 Ron
   Hopefully one of the authors on the list is writing the great RMAN
 book that people like me need so much. In the meanwhile, check out Oracle
 RMAN Pocket Reference from O'Reilly. At only $10 you can't pass it up.
 Jonathan Gennick who participates on this list edited it.
   For us, hot backups never worked out. That is why we are looking at
 RMAN.
 Dennis Williams
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 Lifetouch, Inc.
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 List,
   I need the name of a good book that deals specifically with RMAN. I
 have read the fine manual and have found out that it basically works
 with a third party vendor software if you are using tape as the backup
 storage media. There has to be a way around this requirement. I have a
 70 GIG test database that I would like to use Rman on and I am not going
 to use a catalog for RMAN. I have a system tape drive that I would like
 to use to backup each tablespace individually. I do not have a large or
 multi cartridge drive to use. Backup to disk is not possible as I do not
 have much free space.
  Could you please inform me of the contents of your
 V$BACKUP_DEVICE.DEVICE_NAME if you use a tape drive for backups.
 Thanks,
 Ron
 ROR mª¿ªm
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Re: Deleting old archive log files.

2002-04-05 Thread Igor Neyman

Jared,

Without the signature (you've been using before) it's not that persuasive
:))

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 Years of Perl evangelism are finally paying off.  :)

 Jared


 On Friday 05 April 2002 07:18, Igor Neyman wrote:
  Is it that terrible? :))
 
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   Or you could install Perl
  
   My god, I am starting to sound like Jared.
  
   -Original Message-
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   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  
  
   I don't - but maybe take a look at the rman package
   (dbms_rman.delete_file or something like that) which
   allows you to delete files from the operating system.
  
   You could then use PL/SQl and the various v$ views to
   determine which archives you want to toast.
  
   hth
   connor
  
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To save me re-inventing the wheel:
   
Does anybody have a batch script (that runs on NT)
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the DEL command, but
this doesn't have a date/time based attribute
parameter..
   
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Re: Slightly OT: Perl Q.

2002-04-05 Thread Jared Still


Jack,

How about examples?

1)  a shell script to set some ENV vars
2)  a perl script that should see the newly set vars
3)  your command line for running them.

Jared

On Wednesday 03 April 2002 00:53, Jack van Zanen wrote:
 Hi All (Jared in particular),


 OS: AIX
 We are trying the following:

 We have a script that executes and sets all sorts of environment variables.
 Than after this we execute a perl script that reads the environment
 variables, however the environment variables set in the first script are
 not picked up.
 We tried executing the variables script with [ . script] (dot space
 scriptname) as well but still no luck.

 How can we make the perl script pick up these variables?


 TIA and sorry for the OT but I am not using perl so much as to join another
 mailing list

 Jack

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RE: Oracle vs. MS SQL

2002-04-05 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS

Oops, a couple of items I didn't make clear:
 - I was never able to compare the cost of Oracle support with the cost of
Microsoft support. Oracle prices annual maintenance, which includes the
right to upgrade to a new version of Oracle. MS prices out per incident or
for all MS software at a location. If you can estimate the number of
calls/month, then you could compare.
 - Oracle DBA salary vs. MS SQL DBA salary. I feel the difference is
primarily due to less experience, training. I find it ironic that this
probably causes less reliability for Microsoft (Microsoft has even
complained that organizations don't assign their best people to administer
MS products), yet then Microsoft brags about how you can save money because
their people are cheaper.

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I recently prepared a total cost comparison between Oracle and MS SQL. I
appreciate the support several people on this list provided me. In return,
here are some of the main points I learned.
  -  For smaller systems, investigate whether Oracle Standard Edition will
meet your requirements. For example, most people assume that to use
replication, you need EE. For our purposes the basic replication that comes
with SE was adequate.
  - Microsoft also offers SQL in both EE and SE versions. Thanks very much
to Gints Plivna for providing me a feature-by-feature comparison between the
different versions. MS SE is not equivalent to Oracle SE. In most cases, the
more valid comparison is between MS SQL EE and Oracle SE.
  - For maintenance, there are two parts to consider: Upgrade privilege and
support. Oracle bundles both of these together. Make sure Microsoft is
priced with Software Assurance, which gives upgrade privilege. Microsoft
prices support by the incident or by the location (all Microsoft software).
I was never able to get a comparison.
  - MS SQL EE with Software Assurance is actually more expensive than Oracle
SE. Priced by the CPU.
  - Since pricing is by CPU and RISC systems offer higher database
performance (according to many people on this list) and Oracle offers higher
performance in a head-to-head comparison (according to the recently
published Eweek benchmark), I compared Oracle SE on a 1-CPU Sun box with MS
SQL on a 2-CPU Intel box. The Intel box was cheaper, but those two CPUs
really kill you on licensing! In my mind I am convinced that both setups
could offer equivalent performance.
  - I was provided figures that the average DBA salary (including health,
vacation, etc.) on Oracle is $85,000 and on MS SQL $68,500. A leading
industry analyst stated that the main reason MS SQL sites have less
reliability is because there are few processes to ensure high availability,
high performance. Developing these processes in the MS SQL world is more
trial-and-error while these are well-documented in the Oracle world. I would
add that several authors that participate in this list have created that
documentation.

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Re: SEQUENCES

2002-04-05 Thread Jared Still


There's a short article on that subject at www.cybcon.com/~jkstill

Jared

On Thursday 04 April 2002 12:58, Seema Singh wrote:
 Hi
 I do export and import of one schema from one server to another.But
 sequences are not matched.How to syncronise all sequences?Can I drop all
 sequences  and create all sequences? o
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Re: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?

2002-04-05 Thread Jared Still


Oh, you miss installing an OS from 96 floppy disks?

There's usually a bad disk once you pass #90.

Jared

On Friday 05 April 2002 06:53, James Morle wrote:
 Yes, let's not miss an opportunity to remind Evil Bill of his
 contribution to the wonderful world of UNIX. Xenix/286...

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  Subject: RE: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?
 
 
  How about XENIX?
 
  : )
 
  Regards,
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  Subject:RE: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?
 
  I'm very suprised no one has said Linux.  ??  It is one of
  the first tier platforms for Oracle now, isn't it? I also
  thought I read on this list a while back that Solaris was no
  longer the dev platform?
 
  Guess it all depends on what strengths you are looking for.
  For my employer, who is CHEAP, it was Windows.  Who cares
  that it's not as stable as I would like.  You should have
  seen the VP grin at me with this patronizing smile when he
  said, I'll approve $35,000 for this project!, like he had
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Re:Moving From Rule-Based to Cost-Based

2002-04-05 Thread dgoulet

Sam,

If your SQL has hints in it your using the Cost based optimizer as it is. 
From my experience an sql statement that is well written from a rule based
optimizer point of view will not adversely be affected by the cost based
optimizer while the statistics are valid/accurate.  Now a poorly written
statement with invalid/inaccurate statistics will kill you.  And a poorly
written statement with valid/accurate statistics will help save the day.  I
switched out Operational Data Store from rule based to cost based optimization
some months ago, like 24 months.  And have been computing statistics every
weekend.  The end users who write their own SQL via Access have never been so
pleased.  Even their trashy SQL runs relatively quickly.

Dick Goulet

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Author: Sam Bootsma [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:   4/5/2002 8:49 AM

Hello All,

At our site, we are use rule based optimization.  We are careful to write
SQL that performs well under this mode.  Some of our SQL also contains
hints.  When we provide our application to clients, we default it to use
Rule-based.  However, some clients may choose to run our application in
cost-based mode.  This will be as simple as analyzing all tables and indexes
in our schemas', and changing the mode to use cost based.  

My Questions:  
1.  How likely is it that our application will perform worse under
cost-based than it does under rule-based.  What has been the experience of
others on the list who have moved from Rule-based to Cost-based?
2.  What are some of the underlying reasons for performance to decline when
making such a move?  What are some gotchas to watch for?
3.  Is there more that needs to be done to move from rule to cost?  (Other
than changing the optimization mode and analyzing tables and indexes)?

Most clients run our database on NT, although some use UNIX.  Assume Oracle
9i.   Our database (at client sites) tends to be small, with the largest
being about 25 GB.  

Thanks for any suggestions, 

Sam Bootsma
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Still Problem with ORA-12514

2002-04-05 Thread Hamid Alavi

I am really Buffled, and need your help guys. Here is my Tnsnames.ora 
listener.ora  sqlnet.ora in server side:

 db-name = CMS ,  db_domain=hollywood , instance_name = CMS ,
service_name = CMS.HOLLYWOOD


LISTENER.ora on Server:
# LISTENER.ORA Network Configuration File:
/u04/app/oracle/network/admin/listener.ora
# Generated by Oracle configuration tools.

LISTENER =
  (DESCRIPTION_LIST =
(DESCRIPTION =
  (ADDRESS_LIST =
(ADDRESS = (PROTOCOL = IPC)(KEY = EXTPROC))
  )
  (ADDRESS_LIST =
(ADDRESS = (PROTOCOL = TCP)(HOST = HOLLYWOOD)(PORT = 1521))
  )
)
(DESCRIPTION =
  (PROTOCOL_STACK =
(PRESENTATION = GIOP)
(SESSION = RAW)
  )
  (ADDRESS = (PROTOCOL = TCP)(HOST = HOLLYWOOD)(PORT = 2481))
)
  )

SID_LIST_LISTENER =
  (SID_LIST =
(SID_DESC =
  (SID_NAME = PLSExtProc)
  (ORACLE_HOME = /u04/app/oracle)
  (PROGRAM = extproc)
)
(SID_DESC =
  (GLOBAL_DBNAME = CMS.HOLLYWOOD)
  (ORACLE_HOME = /u04/app/oracle)
  (SID_NAME = CMS)
)
  )


TNSNAMES.ora on server side:

# TNSNAMES.ORA Network Configuration File:
/u04/app/oracle/network/admin/tnsnames.ora
# Generated by Oracle configuration tools.

CMS =
  (DESCRIPTION =
(ADDRESS_LIST =
  (ADDRESS = (PROTOCOL = TCP)(HOST = HOLLYWOOD)(PORT = 1521))
)
(CONNECT_DATA =
  (SERVICE_NAME = CMS)
)
  )

 INST1_HTTP =
  (DESCRIPTION =
(ADDRESS_LIST =
  (ADDRESS = (PROTOCOL = TCP)(HOST = HOLLYWOOD)(PORT = 1521))
)
(CONNECT_DATA =
  (SERVER = SHARED)
  (SERVICE_NAME = CMS)
  (PRESENTATION = http://admin)
)
  )

EXTPROC_CONNECTION_DATA =
  (DESCRIPTION =
(ADDRESS_LIST =
  (ADDRESS = (PROTOCOL = IPC)(KEY = EXTPROC))
)
(CONNECT_DATA =
  (SID = PLSExtProc)
  (PRESENTATION = RO)
)
  )
 

# SQLNET.ORA Configuration File:/u01/app/oracle/network/admin/sqlnet.ora
# Generated by Oracle configuration tools.

# NAMES.DEFAULT_DOMAIN = hollywood

NAMES.DIRECTORY_PATH= (TNSNAMES, ONAMES, HOSTNAME)


I know all of you are busy but may be you can see some thing which I
couldn't, I did my best and couldn't solve the problem.
Thanks allot 
Have a nice Day.


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Re: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?

2002-04-05 Thread Jared Still


Nice to hear from you Walt.  I'd begun to think you'd crashed
your sailplane into the side of a mountain or something. :)

Jared

On Friday 05 April 2002 09:08, Weaver, Walt wrote:
 As Steve's bunkermate I'll second the Linux thing. We're having good luck
 with Linux here.

 I've done AIX and Solaris, and Linux is up there with'em.

 --Walt Weaver
   Bozeman, Montana

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 Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 9:31 AM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


 Lot's of listers have presented nice lists but if you don't have Linux on
 your list then your experience is woefully incomplete. Long live Linux! The
 war is on and those who don't join this camp soon will find themselves on
 the losing side! :-)

 I did HPUX. I did Solaris. Now I'm doing Linux and life is wonderful.

 Unopinionatedly yours,
 Archie Bunker Steve Orr


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 Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 8:34 AM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


 My experiance is just the opposite :

 1. Solaris
 2. Solaris
 3. Solaris
 4. HP-UX
 5. AIX
 6. Digital Unix
 7. SCO Unix

 Solaris has much better features and is more reliable as per my experience.
 For eg. only Solaris provides the option to use Asynchronous I/O for file
 systems
 as well as raw devices. Asynchronous I/O on HP will b used only while
 accessing
 raw devices.
 I think that the Oracle software is primarily written on Solaris these
 days.

 Samir

 Samir Sarkar
 Oracle DBA
 SchlumbergerSema
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 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


 Well, I will put in my two cents since everyone else is.
 1.HP-UX
 2.HP-UX
 3.HP-UX
 4.Solaris


 Oracle works equally well on both of them (IMO) but HP provides you with
 better support, better hardware, better reliability, etc.  Course, none
 of that is free.

 All in all I have not been disappointed per say with Solaris (which
 is a good thing cause I will be working with it ALOT from here on
 it) but I have had far less issues with HP.

 -Original Message-
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 Another shot across the bow:

 Hp-UX if you like to sleep at night
 Solaris if you want speed and sleepless nights
 Aix if neither of the above is of any value in your life
 Linux if both are valuable  $$$ are a consideration

 Dick Goulet

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 Author: Gene Sais [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date:   4/4/2002 9:24 AM

 here go the wars :)
 1. Solaris
 2. HP UX
 3. IBM AIX

 imho, in order.  this is definitely in the archives.

 gene

  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/04/02 11:36AM 

 We are searching about which unix is best ?
 We will apply 9ias and 8.1.7 DB . plus Oracle Portal.
 Can you direct me to a link for comparison about SOLARIS , AIX , HP-UX  for
 performance and other options ..
 Thank you ...


 Bunyamin K. Karadeniz
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 Civilian IT Department
 Havelsan A.S. Eskisehir yolu
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Re[2]: RMAN

2002-04-05 Thread dgoulet

Jared  Dennis,

The O'Reilly pocket reference on RMAN is very good, at least in my opinion. 
I reviewed it before it went to press  tried just about all of what was offered
except the 9i stuff as I don't have it installed anywhere yet.  The 8.x stuff
all works and makes clear water out of muddy ones.  Enjoy.

Dick Goulet

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Date:   4/5/2002 9:47 AM


Not very likely.  The tech book market is in the dumps already, and
this book would be rather esoteric.

Jared

On Thursday 04 April 2002 12:08, DENNIS WILLIAMS wrote:
 Ron
   Hopefully one of the authors on the list is writing the great RMAN
 book that people like me need so much. In the meanwhile, check out Oracle
 RMAN Pocket Reference from O'Reilly. At only $10 you can't pass it up.
 Jonathan Gennick who participates on this list edited it.
   For us, hot backups never worked out. That is why we are looking at
 RMAN.
 Dennis Williams
 DBA
 Lifetouch, Inc.
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 List,
   I need the name of a good book that deals specifically with RMAN. I
 have read the fine manual and have found out that it basically works
 with a third party vendor software if you are using tape as the backup
 storage media. There has to be a way around this requirement. I have a
 70 GIG test database that I would like to use Rman on and I am not going
 to use a catalog for RMAN. I have a system tape drive that I would like
 to use to backup each tablespace individually. I do not have a large or
 multi cartridge drive to use. Backup to disk is not possible as I do not
 have much free space.
  Could you please inform me of the contents of your
 V$BACKUP_DEVICE.DEVICE_NAME if you use a tape drive for backups.

 Thanks,
 Ron
 ROR mª¿ªm
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RE: ora-12514

2002-04-05 Thread Sutton, Reed

Hamid,

Are you using Unix?  If you are, put your sqlnet.ora and tnsnames.ora in a
generic location so that all homes can access them.  For instance, on HP-UX
we put them in /etc and on Solaris we put them in /var/opt/oracle.  That way
all the different versions are accessing the same files, no matter what
their $ORACLE_HOME is set to.  Unfortunately (fortunately for me, actually)
:-) we don't have any NT servers with multiple ORACLE_HOMEs, so I don't know
how you would do it on NT.  

HTH
Reed

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Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 9:54 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Tom,
I have checked all the tnsname  sqlnet.ora for both side client  server
nothing have been changed after I shutdown the database, I have a question
how come it was working perefect before I shutdown the database, don't know
when you shutdown it's change some thing on tnsname etc.. or not??? second
is can i have just one tnsname  sqlnet for both Oracle 8.1.6  8.1.7 , is
any body know how to mange Dual Oracl-Home in one server, I beleive my
problem is comming from having two oracle-home and when I try to connect,
SQLPLUS still looking at 8.1.6 oracle-home and 8.1.6 tnsname on server side
 couldn't find the SERVICE-NAME. Is anybody have any document to explain
how to manage two version of oracle on same server, I really stucked with
this problem. Thanks All


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Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 4:58 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Hamid,

I got stung with this just yesterday.  Look closely at the TNSNAMES file.
Check this example:

WTWT_DBDOL0A1ADVWTW =
  (DESCRIPTION =
(ADDRESS_LIST =
  (ADDRESS = (PROTOCOL = TCP)(HOST = Dbdol0a1advwtw)(PORT = 1521))
)
(CONNECT_DATA = (SERVICE_NAME = wtwt)(SERVER = DEDICATED))
  )

WTWT_DBDOL0A1ADVWTW =
  (DESCRIPTION =
(ADDRESS_LIST =
  (ADDRESS = (PROTOCOL = TCP)(HOST = Dbdol0a1advwtw)(PORT = 1521))
)
(CONNECT_DATA = (SID = wtwt)(SERVER = DEDICATED))
  )

Look at the CONNECT_DATA line.  Try changing the SERVICE_NAME to SID and try
connecting again.

Hope this helps.

Tom Mercadante
Oracle Certified Professional


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Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 6:12 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Hi list,
I asked this question this morning but no reply so I try again may be some
chace. I have created a new instance under 8.1.7 and test it yesterday was
fine, but this morning I try to shutdown the database and do some change on
it after complete shutdown when I try to open the database got ERROR
ORA-12514 TNS LISTENER could not Resolve SERVICE-NAME given in connect
Descriptor. I have checked every thing non of tnsnames.ora or sqlnet.ora
changed even I try connect from the server but no chance, we have two oracle
home at the moment 8.16  8.1.7 on Sun Solaris. Any body have any idea
what's going on??? Appreciate your help. Thanks.




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Cell818 402-1987

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RE: Oracle vs. MS SQL

2002-04-05 Thread Peter Barnett

There are some technical points worth considering. 
For example, SQL Server does not have true row level
locking.  It's table level locking, or some really
creative SQL to fake it.  This has a direct impact on
scalability and performance.


--- DENNIS WILLIAMS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Oops, a couple of items I didn't make clear:
  - I was never able to compare the cost of Oracle
 support with the cost of
 Microsoft support. Oracle prices annual maintenance,
 which includes the
 right to upgrade to a new version of Oracle. MS
 prices out per incident or
 for all MS software at a location. If you can
 estimate the number of
 calls/month, then you could compare.
  - Oracle DBA salary vs. MS SQL DBA salary. I feel
 the difference is
 primarily due to less experience, training. I find
 it ironic that this
 probably causes less reliability for Microsoft
 (Microsoft has even
 complained that organizations don't assign their
 best people to administer
 MS products), yet then Microsoft brags about how you
 can save money because
 their people are cheaper.
 
 -Original Message-
 Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 11:14 AM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
 I recently prepared a total cost comparison between
 Oracle and MS SQL. I
 appreciate the support several people on this list
 provided me. In return,
 here are some of the main points I learned.
   -  For smaller systems, investigate whether Oracle
 Standard Edition will
 meet your requirements. For example, most people
 assume that to use
 replication, you need EE. For our purposes the basic
 replication that comes
 with SE was adequate.
   - Microsoft also offers SQL in both EE and SE
 versions. Thanks very much
 to Gints Plivna for providing me a
 feature-by-feature comparison between the
 different versions. MS SE is not equivalent to
 Oracle SE. In most cases, the
 more valid comparison is between MS SQL EE and
 Oracle SE.
   - For maintenance, there are two parts to
 consider: Upgrade privilege and
 support. Oracle bundles both of these together. Make
 sure Microsoft is
 priced with Software Assurance, which gives upgrade
 privilege. Microsoft
 prices support by the incident or by the location
 (all Microsoft software).
 I was never able to get a comparison.
   - MS SQL EE with Software Assurance is actually
 more expensive than Oracle
 SE. Priced by the CPU.
   - Since pricing is by CPU and RISC systems offer
 higher database
 performance (according to many people on this list)
 and Oracle offers higher
 performance in a head-to-head comparison (according
 to the recently
 published Eweek benchmark), I compared Oracle SE on
 a 1-CPU Sun box with MS
 SQL on a 2-CPU Intel box. The Intel box was cheaper,
 but those two CPUs
 really kill you on licensing! In my mind I am
 convinced that both setups
 could offer equivalent performance.
   - I was provided figures that the average DBA
 salary (including health,
 vacation, etc.) on Oracle is $85,000 and on MS SQL
 $68,500. A leading
 industry analyst stated that the main reason MS SQL
 sites have less
 reliability is because there are few processes to
 ensure high availability,
 high performance. Developing these processes in the
 MS SQL world is more
 trial-and-error while these are well-documented in
 the Oracle world. I would
 add that several authors that participate in this
 list have created that
 documentation.
 
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RE: RMAN

2002-04-05 Thread Orr, Steve

Hey Jared,

One of the publishers asked me to write such a book but I declined because:
1) It's a lot of work; 
2) It doesn't pay; 
3) I'd have to get into 9i and setup quite an infrastructure to do a 
   thorough job and test so many scenarios and setup variables;
4) I lack self confidence;
5) I don't want to be an over-achiever;
6) I want to have a life;
7) Etc.

So how's your book coming?  :-)

Steve Orr
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Not very likely.  The tech book market is in the dumps already, and
this book would be rather esoteric.

Jared

On Thursday 04 April 2002 12:08, DENNIS WILLIAMS wrote:
 Ron
   Hopefully one of the authors on the list is writing the great RMAN
 book that people like me need so much. In the meanwhile, check out Oracle
 RMAN Pocket Reference from O'Reilly. At only $10 you can't pass it up.
 Jonathan Gennick who participates on this list edited it.
   For us, hot backups never worked out. That is why we are looking at
 RMAN.
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 List,
   I need the name of a good book that deals specifically with RMAN. I
 have read the fine manual and have found out that it basically works
 with a third party vendor software if you are using tape as the backup
 storage media. There has to be a way around this requirement. I have a
 70 GIG test database that I would like to use Rman on and I am not going
 to use a catalog for RMAN. I have a system tape drive that I would like
 to use to backup each tablespace individually. I do not have a large or
 multi cartridge drive to use. Backup to disk is not possible as I do not
 have much free space.
  Could you please inform me of the contents of your
 V$BACKUP_DEVICE.DEVICE_NAME if you use a tape drive for backups.
 Thanks,
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RE: Still Problem with ORA-12514

2002-04-05 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F

Hamid,

did you try changing SERVICE_NAME to SID within the TNSNAMES file?

CMS =
  (DESCRIPTION =
(ADDRESS_LIST =
  (ADDRESS = (PROTOCOL = TCP)(HOST = HOLLYWOOD)(PORT = 1521))
)
(CONNECT_DATA =
  (SERVICE_NAME = CMS)  === change to SID = CMS
)
  )

Tom Mercadante
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I am really Buffled, and need your help guys. Here is my Tnsnames.ora 
listener.ora  sqlnet.ora in server side:

 db-name = CMS ,  db_domain=hollywood , instance_name = CMS ,
service_name = CMS.HOLLYWOOD


LISTENER.ora on Server:
# LISTENER.ORA Network Configuration File:
/u04/app/oracle/network/admin/listener.ora
# Generated by Oracle configuration tools.

LISTENER =
  (DESCRIPTION_LIST =
(DESCRIPTION =
  (ADDRESS_LIST =
(ADDRESS = (PROTOCOL = IPC)(KEY = EXTPROC))
  )
  (ADDRESS_LIST =
(ADDRESS = (PROTOCOL = TCP)(HOST = HOLLYWOOD)(PORT = 1521))
  )
)
(DESCRIPTION =
  (PROTOCOL_STACK =
(PRESENTATION = GIOP)
(SESSION = RAW)
  )
  (ADDRESS = (PROTOCOL = TCP)(HOST = HOLLYWOOD)(PORT = 2481))
)
  )

SID_LIST_LISTENER =
  (SID_LIST =
(SID_DESC =
  (SID_NAME = PLSExtProc)
  (ORACLE_HOME = /u04/app/oracle)
  (PROGRAM = extproc)
)
(SID_DESC =
  (GLOBAL_DBNAME = CMS.HOLLYWOOD)
  (ORACLE_HOME = /u04/app/oracle)
  (SID_NAME = CMS)
)
  )


TNSNAMES.ora on server side:

# TNSNAMES.ORA Network Configuration File:
/u04/app/oracle/network/admin/tnsnames.ora
# Generated by Oracle configuration tools.

CMS =
  (DESCRIPTION =
(ADDRESS_LIST =
  (ADDRESS = (PROTOCOL = TCP)(HOST = HOLLYWOOD)(PORT = 1521))
)
(CONNECT_DATA =
  (SERVICE_NAME = CMS)
)
  )

 INST1_HTTP =
  (DESCRIPTION =
(ADDRESS_LIST =
  (ADDRESS = (PROTOCOL = TCP)(HOST = HOLLYWOOD)(PORT = 1521))
)
(CONNECT_DATA =
  (SERVER = SHARED)
  (SERVICE_NAME = CMS)
  (PRESENTATION = http://admin)
)
  )

EXTPROC_CONNECTION_DATA =
  (DESCRIPTION =
(ADDRESS_LIST =
  (ADDRESS = (PROTOCOL = IPC)(KEY = EXTPROC))
)
(CONNECT_DATA =
  (SID = PLSExtProc)
  (PRESENTATION = RO)
)
  )
 

# SQLNET.ORA Configuration File:/u01/app/oracle/network/admin/sqlnet.ora
# Generated by Oracle configuration tools.

# NAMES.DEFAULT_DOMAIN = hollywood

NAMES.DIRECTORY_PATH= (TNSNAMES, ONAMES, HOSTNAME)


I know all of you are busy but may be you can see some thing which I
couldn't, I did my best and couldn't solve the problem.
Thanks allot 
Have a nice Day.


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RE: ora-12514

2002-04-05 Thread Hamid Alavi

Actualy I have 8.1.6  8.1.7 on sun solaris not NT, the things which
confusing me is the first day after installation I could connect to database
and every thing was fine till I shutdown the database after taht I couldn't
conect at all  all the time get ora-12514 ERROR!!! don't find any thing
between shtdown database  this error?


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Hamid,

Are you using Unix?  If you are, put your sqlnet.ora and tnsnames.ora in a
generic location so that all homes can access them.  For instance, on HP-UX
we put them in /etc and on Solaris we put them in /var/opt/oracle.  That way
all the different versions are accessing the same files, no matter what
their $ORACLE_HOME is set to.  Unfortunately (fortunately for me, actually)
:-) we don't have any NT servers with multiple ORACLE_HOMEs, so I don't know
how you would do it on NT.  

HTH
Reed

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Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 9:54 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Tom,
I have checked all the tnsname  sqlnet.ora for both side client  server
nothing have been changed after I shutdown the database, I have a question
how come it was working perefect before I shutdown the database, don't know
when you shutdown it's change some thing on tnsname etc.. or not??? second
is can i have just one tnsname  sqlnet for both Oracle 8.1.6  8.1.7 , is
any body know how to mange Dual Oracl-Home in one server, I beleive my
problem is comming from having two oracle-home and when I try to connect,
SQLPLUS still looking at 8.1.6 oracle-home and 8.1.6 tnsname on server side
 couldn't find the SERVICE-NAME. Is anybody have any document to explain
how to manage two version of oracle on same server, I really stucked with
this problem. Thanks All


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Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 4:58 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Hamid,

I got stung with this just yesterday.  Look closely at the TNSNAMES file.
Check this example:

WTWT_DBDOL0A1ADVWTW =
  (DESCRIPTION =
(ADDRESS_LIST =
  (ADDRESS = (PROTOCOL = TCP)(HOST = Dbdol0a1advwtw)(PORT = 1521))
)
(CONNECT_DATA = (SERVICE_NAME = wtwt)(SERVER = DEDICATED))
  )

WTWT_DBDOL0A1ADVWTW =
  (DESCRIPTION =
(ADDRESS_LIST =
  (ADDRESS = (PROTOCOL = TCP)(HOST = Dbdol0a1advwtw)(PORT = 1521))
)
(CONNECT_DATA = (SID = wtwt)(SERVER = DEDICATED))
  )

Look at the CONNECT_DATA line.  Try changing the SERVICE_NAME to SID and try
connecting again.

Hope this helps.

Tom Mercadante
Oracle Certified Professional


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Hi list,
I asked this question this morning but no reply so I try again may be some
chace. I have created a new instance under 8.1.7 and test it yesterday was
fine, but this morning I try to shutdown the database and do some change on
it after complete shutdown when I try to open the database got ERROR
ORA-12514 TNS LISTENER could not Resolve SERVICE-NAME given in connect
Descriptor. I have checked every thing non of tnsnames.ora or sqlnet.ora
changed even I try connect from the server but no chance, we have two oracle
home at the moment 8.16  8.1.7 on Sun Solaris. Any body have any idea
what's going on??? Appreciate your help. Thanks.




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RE: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?

2002-04-05 Thread Weaver, Walt

Nope, just been in major lurk mode for the past few months.  :)

--Walt

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Weaver, Walt



Nice to hear from you Walt.  I'd begun to think you'd crashed
your sailplane into the side of a mountain or something. :)

Jared

On Friday 05 April 2002 09:08, Weaver, Walt wrote:
 As Steve's bunkermate I'll second the Linux thing. We're having good luck
 with Linux here.

 I've done AIX and Solaris, and Linux is up there with'em.

 --Walt Weaver
   Bozeman, Montana

 -Original Message-
 Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 9:31 AM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


 Lot's of listers have presented nice lists but if you don't have Linux on
 your list then your experience is woefully incomplete. Long live Linux!
The
 war is on and those who don't join this camp soon will find themselves on
 the losing side! :-)

 I did HPUX. I did Solaris. Now I'm doing Linux and life is wonderful.

 Unopinionatedly yours,
 Archie Bunker Steve Orr


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 Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 8:34 AM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


 My experiance is just the opposite :

 1. Solaris
 2. Solaris
 3. Solaris
 4. HP-UX
 5. AIX
 6. Digital Unix
 7. SCO Unix

 Solaris has much better features and is more reliable as per my
experience.
 For eg. only Solaris provides the option to use Asynchronous I/O for file
 systems
 as well as raw devices. Asynchronous I/O on HP will b used only while
 accessing
 raw devices.
 I think that the Oracle software is primarily written on Solaris these
 days.

 Samir

 Samir Sarkar
 Oracle DBA
 SchlumbergerSema
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 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


 Well, I will put in my two cents since everyone else is.
 1.HP-UX
 2.HP-UX
 3.HP-UX
 4.Solaris


 Oracle works equally well on both of them (IMO) but HP provides you with
 better support, better hardware, better reliability, etc.  Course, none
 of that is free.

 All in all I have not been disappointed per say with Solaris (which
 is a good thing cause I will be working with it ALOT from here on
 it) but I have had far less issues with HP.

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 Another shot across the bow:

 Hp-UX if you like to sleep at night
 Solaris if you want speed and sleepless nights
 Aix if neither of the above is of any value in your life
 Linux if both are valuable  $$$ are a consideration

 Dick Goulet

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 Author: Gene Sais [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date:   4/4/2002 9:24 AM

 here go the wars :)
 1. Solaris
 2. HP UX
 3. IBM AIX

 imho, in order.  this is definitely in the archives.

 gene

  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/04/02 11:36AM 

 We are searching about which unix is best ?
 We will apply 9ias and 8.1.7 DB . plus Oracle Portal.
 Can you direct me to a link for comparison about SOLARIS , AIX , HP-UX
for
 performance and other options ..
 Thank you ...


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RE: ora-12514

2002-04-05 Thread Gene Sais

for unix think env var TNS_ADMIN
for nt think registry entry TNS_ADMIN.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/05/02 01:07PM 
Hamid,

Are you using Unix?  If you are, put your sqlnet.ora and tnsnames.ora in a
generic location so that all homes can access them.  For instance, on HP-UX
we put them in /etc and on Solaris we put them in /var/opt/oracle.  That way
all the different versions are accessing the same files, no matter what
their $ORACLE_HOME is set to.  Unfortunately (fortunately for me, actually)
:-) we don't have any NT servers with multiple ORACLE_HOMEs, so I don't know
how you would do it on NT.  

HTH
Reed

-Original Message-
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 9:54 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Tom,
I have checked all the tnsname  sqlnet.ora for both side client  server
nothing have been changed after I shutdown the database, I have a question
how come it was working perefect before I shutdown the database, don't know
when you shutdown it's change some thing on tnsname etc.. or not??? second
is can i have just one tnsname  sqlnet for both Oracle 8.1.6  8.1.7 , is
any body know how to mange Dual Oracl-Home in one server, I beleive my
problem is comming from having two oracle-home and when I try to connect,
SQLPLUS still looking at 8.1.6 oracle-home and 8.1.6 tnsname on server side
 couldn't find the SERVICE-NAME. Is anybody have any document to explain
how to manage two version of oracle on same server, I really stucked with
this problem. Thanks All


-Original Message-
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 4:58 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Hamid,

I got stung with this just yesterday.  Look closely at the TNSNAMES file.
Check this example:

WTWT_DBDOL0A1ADVWTW =
  (DESCRIPTION =
(ADDRESS_LIST =
  (ADDRESS = (PROTOCOL = TCP)(HOST = Dbdol0a1advwtw)(PORT = 1521))
)
(CONNECT_DATA = (SERVICE_NAME = wtwt)(SERVER = DEDICATED))
  )

WTWT_DBDOL0A1ADVWTW =
  (DESCRIPTION =
(ADDRESS_LIST =
  (ADDRESS = (PROTOCOL = TCP)(HOST = Dbdol0a1advwtw)(PORT = 1521))
)
(CONNECT_DATA = (SID = wtwt)(SERVER = DEDICATED))
  )

Look at the CONNECT_DATA line.  Try changing the SERVICE_NAME to SID and try
connecting again.

Hope this helps.

Tom Mercadante
Oracle Certified Professional


-Original Message-
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 6:12 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Hi list,
I asked this question this morning but no reply so I try again may be some
chace. I have created a new instance under 8.1.7 and test it yesterday was
fine, but this morning I try to shutdown the database and do some change on
it after complete shutdown when I try to open the database got ERROR
ORA-12514 TNS LISTENER could not Resolve SERVICE-NAME given in connect
Descriptor. I have checked every thing non of tnsnames.ora or sqlnet.ora
changed even I try connect from the server but no chance, we have two oracle
home at the moment 8.16  8.1.7 on Sun Solaris. Any body have any idea
what's going on??? Appreciate your help. Thanks.




Hamid Alavi
Office 818 737-0526
Cell818 402-1987

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Re: Oracle vs. MS SQL

2002-04-05 Thread Igor Neyman

Well, this was almost true for SQL Server 6.5 (only, the lowest locking
level was a block, not a table).  And it caused a lot of problems,
generating tons of deadlocks.
Now, latest version of SQL Server provides for row-level locking, but not
exactly the way Oracle does it, and also,  it's unfortunate, that SQL Server
can automatically escalate row-level lock to block-level, or even
table-level.
MS claims, it does this in order to improve performance.  Sorry, don't have
first-hand experience to grade this improvement in SQL Server.

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 There are some technical points worth considering.
 For example, SQL Server does not have true row level
 locking.  It's table level locking, or some really
 creative SQL to fake it.  This has a direct impact on
 scalability and performance.


 --- DENNIS WILLIAMS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Oops, a couple of items I didn't make clear:
   - I was never able to compare the cost of Oracle
  support with the cost of
  Microsoft support. Oracle prices annual maintenance,
  which includes the
  right to upgrade to a new version of Oracle. MS
  prices out per incident or
  for all MS software at a location. If you can
  estimate the number of
  calls/month, then you could compare.
   - Oracle DBA salary vs. MS SQL DBA salary. I feel
  the difference is
  primarily due to less experience, training. I find
  it ironic that this
  probably causes less reliability for Microsoft
  (Microsoft has even
  complained that organizations don't assign their
  best people to administer
  MS products), yet then Microsoft brags about how you
  can save money because
  their people are cheaper.
 
  -Original Message-
  Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 11:14 AM
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
  I recently prepared a total cost comparison between
  Oracle and MS SQL. I
  appreciate the support several people on this list
  provided me. In return,
  here are some of the main points I learned.
-  For smaller systems, investigate whether Oracle
  Standard Edition will
  meet your requirements. For example, most people
  assume that to use
  replication, you need EE. For our purposes the basic
  replication that comes
  with SE was adequate.
- Microsoft also offers SQL in both EE and SE
  versions. Thanks very much
  to Gints Plivna for providing me a
  feature-by-feature comparison between the
  different versions. MS SE is not equivalent to
  Oracle SE. In most cases, the
  more valid comparison is between MS SQL EE and
  Oracle SE.
- For maintenance, there are two parts to
  consider: Upgrade privilege and
  support. Oracle bundles both of these together. Make
  sure Microsoft is
  priced with Software Assurance, which gives upgrade
  privilege. Microsoft
  prices support by the incident or by the location
  (all Microsoft software).
  I was never able to get a comparison.
- MS SQL EE with Software Assurance is actually
  more expensive than Oracle
  SE. Priced by the CPU.
- Since pricing is by CPU and RISC systems offer
  higher database
  performance (according to many people on this list)
  and Oracle offers higher
  performance in a head-to-head comparison (according
  to the recently
  published Eweek benchmark), I compared Oracle SE on
  a 1-CPU Sun box with MS
  SQL on a 2-CPU Intel box. The Intel box was cheaper,
  but those two CPUs
  really kill you on licensing! In my mind I am
  convinced that both setups
  could offer equivalent performance.
- I was provided figures that the average DBA
  salary (including health,
  vacation, etc.) on Oracle is $85,000 and on MS SQL
  $68,500. A leading
  industry analyst stated that the main reason MS SQL
  sites have less
  reliability is because there are few processes to
  ensure high availability,
  high performance. Developing these processes in the
  MS SQL world is more
  trial-and-error while these are well-documented in
  the Oracle world. I would
  add that several authors that participate in this
  list have created that
  documentation.
 
  Dennis Williams
  DBA
  Lifetouch, Inc.
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RE: RMAN

2002-04-05 Thread Deshpande, Kirti

Steve,
 You can get help from some of the list members. 

 Where's Alex H. ?? ;) 


 Now, I duck behind the empty boxes in my cube !!! ;) 
 TGIF !! 

-Kirti

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Hey Jared,

One of the publishers asked me to write such a book but I declined because:
1) It's a lot of work; 
2) It doesn't pay; 
3) I'd have to get into 9i and setup quite an infrastructure to do a 
   thorough job and test so many scenarios and setup variables;
4) I lack self confidence;
5) I don't want to be an over-achiever;
6) I want to have a life;
7) Etc.

So how's your book coming?  :-)

Steve Orr
Bozeman, MT


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Not very likely.  The tech book market is in the dumps already, and
this book would be rather esoteric.

Jared

On Thursday 04 April 2002 12:08, DENNIS WILLIAMS wrote:
 Ron
   Hopefully one of the authors on the list is writing the great RMAN
 book that people like me need so much. In the meanwhile, check out Oracle
 RMAN Pocket Reference from O'Reilly. At only $10 you can't pass it up.
 Jonathan Gennick who participates on this list edited it.
   For us, hot backups never worked out. That is why we are looking at
 RMAN.
 Dennis Williams
 DBA
 Lifetouch, Inc.
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Re: Copy tables and indexes etc from one db to another

2002-04-05 Thread Igor Neyman

You are setting up yourself for many more questions from the author of the
original post :))

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 I would recommend using a dblink. And I don't say *that* very often!
 Set up a dblink to the source database and run CREATE TABLE new SELECT *
 FROM old@dblink;
 If you set up your SDU size to be large (ie 32K), it is possible to
 drive the network pretty close to full capacity. If your database is too
 large for this method, maybe transportable tablespaces via sneakernet
 (tape)? One thing to watch with the dblink option is that LONG datatypes
 are not supported.
 Regards

 James

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  Hallo,
 
  anyone whom can tellme the easiest way to copy tables etc
  from one database to another.
 
  Thanks in advance
 
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RE: Copy tables and indexes etc from one db to another

2002-04-05 Thread Deshpande, Kirti

Or, consider export/import over UNIX pipes. 

- Kirti 

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I would recommend using a dblink. And I don't say *that* very often!
Set up a dblink to the source database and run CREATE TABLE new SELECT *
FROM old@dblink;
If you set up your SDU size to be large (ie 32K), it is possible to
drive the network pretty close to full capacity. If your database is too
large for this method, maybe transportable tablespaces via sneakernet
(tape)? One thing to watch with the dblink option is that LONG datatypes
are not supported.
Regards

James

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 Hallo,
 
 anyone whom can tellme the easiest way to copy tables etc 
 from one database to another.
 
 Thanks in advance
 
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Re: RMAN

2002-04-05 Thread Igor Neyman

Steve,

Quite an impressive list to discourage anyone :))
And you are asking how's Jared's book coming :))

And no, I never thought about it (writing on Oracle issues) exactly because
of p.5 you listed, though I wrote several articles on SQL Server (for SQL
Server Professional), but Oracle is so much deeper. When I was dealing with
SQL Server, I felt, that I know everything about it, while with Oracle, it
feels like just touching the surface.

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Hey Jared,

One of the publishers asked me to write such a book but I declined because:
1) It's a lot of work;
2) It doesn't pay;
3) I'd have to get into 9i and setup quite an infrastructure to do a
   thorough job and test so many scenarios and setup variables;
4) I lack self confidence;
5) I don't want to be an over-achiever;
6) I want to have a life;
7) Etc.

So how's your book coming?  :-)

Steve Orr
Bozeman, MT


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Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 10:47 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

Not very likely.  The tech book market is in the dumps already, and
this book would be rather esoteric.

Jared

On Thursday 04 April 2002 12:08, DENNIS WILLIAMS wrote:
 Ron
 Hopefully one of the authors on the list is writing the great RMAN
 book that people like me need so much. In the meanwhile, check out Oracle
 RMAN Pocket Reference from O'Reilly. At only $10 you can't pass it up.
 Jonathan Gennick who participates on this list edited it.
 For us, hot backups never worked out. That is why we are looking at
 RMAN.
 Dennis Williams
 DBA
 Lifetouch, Inc.
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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 Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 12:49 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


 List,
   I need the name of a good book that deals specifically with RMAN. I
 have read the fine manual and have found out that it basically works
 with a third party vendor software if you are using tape as the backup
 storage media. There has to be a way around this requirement. I have a
 70 GIG test database that I would like to use Rman on and I am not going
 to use a catalog for RMAN. I have a system tape drive that I would like
 to use to backup each tablespace individually. I do not have a large or
 multi cartridge drive to use. Backup to disk is not possible as I do not
 have much free space.
  Could you please inform me of the contents of your
 V$BACKUP_DEVICE.DEVICE_NAME if you use a tape drive for backups.
 Thanks,
 Ron
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Sqlplus Auto-trim Whitespace???

2002-04-05 Thread Walter K

Hi,

A co-worker of mine is trying to remember how to have
trailing whitespace automatically removed from each
COLUMN in the output of a query within SQL*Plus. He
said he saw the tip in a book a couple years ago and
can't remember for the life of him how he went about
it. I have poured through the docs myself and other
references and can't seem to find a way to do this.

The objective is to set the COLSEP to say '|' and then
be able to perform something like a SELECT * FROM
table such that the output/display is variable
length for each column.

The solution we're looking for is purely within
SQL*Plus, not doing something with PL/SQL. Also, the
solution should not involve using the COLUMN command
to control the formatting of each column literally.

Anyone know how to do this? Does anyone remember the
tip and possibly the name of the book?

Thanks again!
-w

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User Logon Auditing

2002-04-05 Thread dmeng

Greetings,
I have a request from my boss to come up with a list of users for a
particular database. Since this is 805 database logon trigger is not an
option. Turning on audit trail will be an overkill and not sure if
performance will be acceptable if we do that. Other than querying v$session
periodically and hoping to get everybody, is there a better way to do this?
DBA_USERS view is not going to work because there are too many duplicate
and obsolete entries.

TIA

Dennis Meng
Database Administrator
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RE: Still Problem with ORA-12514

2002-04-05 Thread Hamid Alavi

Another thing is when I do TNSPING to the instance it's OK but still can not
connect, ORA-12514  !

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Hamid,

did you try changing SERVICE_NAME to SID within the TNSNAMES file?

CMS =
  (DESCRIPTION =
(ADDRESS_LIST =
  (ADDRESS = (PROTOCOL = TCP)(HOST = HOLLYWOOD)(PORT = 1521))
)
(CONNECT_DATA =
  (SERVICE_NAME = CMS)  === change to SID = CMS
)
  )

Tom Mercadante
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I am really Buffled, and need your help guys. Here is my Tnsnames.ora 
listener.ora  sqlnet.ora in server side:

 db-name = CMS ,  db_domain=hollywood , instance_name = CMS ,
service_name = CMS.HOLLYWOOD


LISTENER.ora on Server:
# LISTENER.ORA Network Configuration File:
/u04/app/oracle/network/admin/listener.ora
# Generated by Oracle configuration tools.

LISTENER =
  (DESCRIPTION_LIST =
(DESCRIPTION =
  (ADDRESS_LIST =
(ADDRESS = (PROTOCOL = IPC)(KEY = EXTPROC))
  )
  (ADDRESS_LIST =
(ADDRESS = (PROTOCOL = TCP)(HOST = HOLLYWOOD)(PORT = 1521))
  )
)
(DESCRIPTION =
  (PROTOCOL_STACK =
(PRESENTATION = GIOP)
(SESSION = RAW)
  )
  (ADDRESS = (PROTOCOL = TCP)(HOST = HOLLYWOOD)(PORT = 2481))
)
  )

SID_LIST_LISTENER =
  (SID_LIST =
(SID_DESC =
  (SID_NAME = PLSExtProc)
  (ORACLE_HOME = /u04/app/oracle)
  (PROGRAM = extproc)
)
(SID_DESC =
  (GLOBAL_DBNAME = CMS.HOLLYWOOD)
  (ORACLE_HOME = /u04/app/oracle)
  (SID_NAME = CMS)
)
  )


TNSNAMES.ora on server side:

# TNSNAMES.ORA Network Configuration File:
/u04/app/oracle/network/admin/tnsnames.ora
# Generated by Oracle configuration tools.

CMS =
  (DESCRIPTION =
(ADDRESS_LIST =
  (ADDRESS = (PROTOCOL = TCP)(HOST = HOLLYWOOD)(PORT = 1521))
)
(CONNECT_DATA =
  (SERVICE_NAME = CMS)
)
  )

 INST1_HTTP =
  (DESCRIPTION =
(ADDRESS_LIST =
  (ADDRESS = (PROTOCOL = TCP)(HOST = HOLLYWOOD)(PORT = 1521))
)
(CONNECT_DATA =
  (SERVER = SHARED)
  (SERVICE_NAME = CMS)
  (PRESENTATION = http://admin)
)
  )

EXTPROC_CONNECTION_DATA =
  (DESCRIPTION =
(ADDRESS_LIST =
  (ADDRESS = (PROTOCOL = IPC)(KEY = EXTPROC))
)
(CONNECT_DATA =
  (SID = PLSExtProc)
  (PRESENTATION = RO)
)
  )
 

# SQLNET.ORA Configuration File:/u01/app/oracle/network/admin/sqlnet.ora
# Generated by Oracle configuration tools.

# NAMES.DEFAULT_DOMAIN = hollywood

NAMES.DIRECTORY_PATH= (TNSNAMES, ONAMES, HOSTNAME)


I know all of you are busy but may be you can see some thing which I
couldn't, I did my best and couldn't solve the problem.
Thanks allot 
Have a nice Day.


Hamid Alavi
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RE: RMAN

2002-04-05 Thread Orr, Steve

I could use some professional help, Walt will vouch for that. :-) 


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Steve,
 You can get help from some of the list members. 

 Where's Alex H. ?? ;) 


 Now, I duck behind the empty boxes in my cube !!! ;) 
 TGIF !! 

-Kirti

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Hey Jared,

One of the publishers asked me to write such a book but I declined because:
1) It's a lot of work; 
2) It doesn't pay; 
3) I'd have to get into 9i and setup quite an infrastructure to do a 
   thorough job and test so many scenarios and setup variables;
4) I lack self confidence;
5) I don't want to be an over-achiever;
6) I want to have a life;
7) Etc.

So how's your book coming?  :-)

Steve Orr
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Not very likely.  The tech book market is in the dumps already, and
this book would be rather esoteric.

Jared

On Thursday 04 April 2002 12:08, DENNIS WILLIAMS wrote:
 Ron
   Hopefully one of the authors on the list is writing the great RMAN
 book that people like me need so much. In the meanwhile, check out Oracle
 RMAN Pocket Reference from O'Reilly. At only $10 you can't pass it up.
 Jonathan Gennick who participates on this list edited it.
   For us, hot backups never worked out. That is why we are looking at
 RMAN.
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 DBA
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Re: User Logon Auditing

2002-04-05 Thread Ron Rogers

Dennis,
 How about using the listner.log file and gathering information on the
USER and HOST columns. That will tell you the login id and the name/ip
of the machine they logged in from.
ROR mª¿ªm

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/05/02 02:25PM 
Greetings,
I have a request from my boss to come up with a list of users for a
particular database. Since this is 805 database logon trigger is not
an
option. Turning on audit trail will be an overkill and not sure if
performance will be acceptable if we do that. Other than querying
v$session
periodically and hoping to get everybody, is there a better way to do
this?
DBA_USERS view is not going to work because there are too many
duplicate
and obsolete entries.

TIA

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RE: Sqlplus Auto-trim Whitespace???

2002-04-05 Thread Yexley Robert D Contr Det 1 AFRL/WSI

SET TRIMSPOOL ON

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Hi,

A co-worker of mine is trying to remember how to have
trailing whitespace automatically removed from each
COLUMN in the output of a query within SQL*Plus. He
said he saw the tip in a book a couple years ago and
can't remember for the life of him how he went about
it. I have poured through the docs myself and other
references and can't seem to find a way to do this.

The objective is to set the COLSEP to say '|' and then
be able to perform something like a SELECT * FROM
table such that the output/display is variable
length for each column.

The solution we're looking for is purely within
SQL*Plus, not doing something with PL/SQL. Also, the
solution should not involve using the COLUMN command
to control the formatting of each column literally.

Anyone know how to do this? Does anyone remember the
tip and possibly the name of the book?

Thanks again!
-w

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Re: Sqlplus Auto-trim Whitespace???

2002-04-05 Thread Rodd Holman




Try either set trimout on

or set trimspool on



The first one affects screen output, the second one takes care of spooled output.



Rodd



On Fri, 2002-04-05 at 13:36, Walter K wrote:

Hi,

A co-worker of mine is trying to remember how to have
trailing whitespace automatically removed from each
COLUMN in the output of a query within SQL*Plus. He
said he saw the tip in a book a couple years ago and
can't remember for the life of him how he went about
it. I have poured through the docs myself and other
references and can't seem to find a way to do this.

The objective is to set the COLSEP to say '|' and then
be able to perform something like a SELECT * FROM
table such that the output/display is variable
length for each column.

The solution we're looking for is purely within
SQL*Plus, not doing something with PL/SQL. Also, the
solution should not involve using the COLUMN command
to control the formatting of each column literally.

Anyone know how to do this? Does anyone remember the
tip and possibly the name of the book?

Thanks again!
-w

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Re: User Logon Auditing

2002-04-05 Thread Stephane Faroult

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Greetings,
 I have a request from my boss to come up with a list of users for a
 particular database. Since this is 805 database logon trigger is not an
 option. Turning on audit trail will be an overkill and not sure if
 performance will be acceptable if we do that. Other than querying v$session
 periodically and hoping to get everybody, is there a better way to do this?
 DBA_USERS view is not going to work because there are too many duplicate
 and obsolete entries.
 
 TIA
 
 Dennis Meng
 Database Administrator
 Focal Communications Corp.

Why do you say that auditing will be an overkill? You do not have to
record everything. You can have as little as storing a row into SYS.AUD$
each time somebody connects. Bearable.

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RE: RMAN

2002-04-05 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS

Jared - Well, if the tech book market is in the dumps, it isn't my fault.
I've bought 2 Oracle books this week. I would still argue that an RMAN for
Dummies or RMAN 101 book would have a wide audience because RMAN is a
standard part of Oracle so a lot of sites will be taking a look at it. You
know, for people that don't know what esoteric means :-)

Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
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Not very likely.  The tech book market is in the dumps already, and
this book would be rather esoteric.

Jared

On Thursday 04 April 2002 12:08, DENNIS WILLIAMS wrote:
 Ron
   Hopefully one of the authors on the list is writing the great RMAN
 book that people like me need so much. In the meanwhile, check out Oracle
 RMAN Pocket Reference from O'Reilly. At only $10 you can't pass it up.
 Jonathan Gennick who participates on this list edited it.
   For us, hot backups never worked out. That is why we are looking at
 RMAN.
 Dennis Williams
 DBA
 Lifetouch, Inc.
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 List,
   I need the name of a good book that deals specifically with RMAN. I
 have read the fine manual and have found out that it basically works
 with a third party vendor software if you are using tape as the backup
 storage media. There has to be a way around this requirement. I have a
 70 GIG test database that I would like to use Rman on and I am not going
 to use a catalog for RMAN. I have a system tape drive that I would like
 to use to backup each tablespace individually. I do not have a large or
 multi cartridge drive to use. Backup to disk is not possible as I do not
 have much free space.
  Could you please inform me of the contents of your
 V$BACKUP_DEVICE.DEVICE_NAME if you use a tape drive for backups.
 Thanks,
 Ron
 ROR mª¿ªm
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RE: Sqlplus Auto-trim Whitespace???

2002-04-05 Thread Murray, Margaret

Walter,

set trimspool ON  (or set trimsp on or set trims on)

you can also use show all at the sqlplus prompt to get an idea about what
other options have been set (if you don't remember the command).
Margaret

 -Original Message-
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 Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 2:37 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Subject: Sqlplus Auto-trim Whitespace???
 
 
 Hi,
 
 A co-worker of mine is trying to remember how to have
 trailing whitespace automatically removed from each
 COLUMN in the output of a query within SQL*Plus. He
 said he saw the tip in a book a couple years ago and
 can't remember for the life of him how he went about
 it. I have poured through the docs myself and other
 references and can't seem to find a way to do this.
 
 The objective is to set the COLSEP to say '|' and then
 be able to perform something like a SELECT * FROM
 table such that the output/display is variable
 length for each column.
 
 The solution we're looking for is purely within
 SQL*Plus, not doing something with PL/SQL. Also, the
 solution should not involve using the COLUMN command
 to control the formatting of each column literally.
 
 Anyone know how to do this? Does anyone remember the
 tip and possibly the name of the book?
 
 Thanks again!
 -w
 
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RE: RMAN

2002-04-05 Thread Freeman, Robert

Let's just say that someone on this list *is* talking to a publisher
seriously about such a book. Stay tuned true believer.

RF

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I could use some professional help, Walt will vouch for that. :-) 


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Steve,
 You can get help from some of the list members. 

 Where's Alex H. ?? ;) 


 Now, I duck behind the empty boxes in my cube !!! ;) 
 TGIF !! 

-Kirti

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Hey Jared,

One of the publishers asked me to write such a book but I declined because:
1) It's a lot of work; 
2) It doesn't pay; 
3) I'd have to get into 9i and setup quite an infrastructure to do a 
   thorough job and test so many scenarios and setup variables;
4) I lack self confidence;
5) I don't want to be an over-achiever;
6) I want to have a life;
7) Etc.

So how's your book coming?  :-)

Steve Orr
Bozeman, MT


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Not very likely.  The tech book market is in the dumps already, and
this book would be rather esoteric.

Jared

On Thursday 04 April 2002 12:08, DENNIS WILLIAMS wrote:
 Ron
   Hopefully one of the authors on the list is writing the great RMAN
 book that people like me need so much. In the meanwhile, check out Oracle
 RMAN Pocket Reference from O'Reilly. At only $10 you can't pass it up.
 Jonathan Gennick who participates on this list edited it.
   For us, hot backups never worked out. That is why we are looking at
 RMAN.
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 DBA
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