Re: What is Oracle made from ?

2002-04-18 Thread Anjo Kolk

Hmm,

I thought that powerpoint was the development environment for microsoft
products ;-)

Anjo.


Abdul Aleem wrote:

 I don't think so,

 I think they just don't know

 Aleem

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 Apparently folks are bored today.

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 Engsig
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 Obviously, the reality is that it is made of Powerpoint slides

 On Wednesday 17 April 2002 19:28, Farnsworth, Dave wrote:
  And all this time I had thought it was made from widgets and gizmos.  ;o)
 
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  Nope just C
 
  Anjo.
 
  Kimberly Smith wrote:
   I believe its C++ now but it was C.
  
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   Just for my own info,
   Is Oracle written in C ?
  
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Import excelfile into Oracle table

2002-04-18 Thread Roland . Skoldblom

Hallo,

anyone who can give me a good example of pl/sql code, which does the folllowing:

Import an excelfile into a table.

(I know I can use sqlloader(which I have used several times) but i would like to make 
a call to that pl/sql procedure from MsAccess.

Thanks in advance


Roland

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Re: Script for identifying objects having freelists contention

2002-04-18 Thread Bunyamin K. Karadeniz





SELECT 
s.segment_name,s.segment_type,s.freelists,w.wait_time,w.seconds_in_wait,w.state 

FROM dba_segments s , V$session_wait w WHERE s.header_file=w.p1 AND 
s.header_block=w.p2; 




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  AM
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  objects having freelists contention
  
  Steve Adams' site is a good 
  start. http://www.ixora.com.au/
  
  Tony 
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Does anyone have the scripts (or URL) for identifying objects having 
freelists contention?

Thanks.
Anand Prakash


RE: Upgrade 8.0.5 to 8.1.7.3

2002-04-18 Thread Jack van Zanen


Call me paranoid.


I'll go for the two phase upgrade (when it's time and all tests are
completed) and make end-user suffer a little more down-time (bye bye
weekend)
We upgraded our peoplesoft test environment already and that is being
tested, sofar w/o problems

Besides I've heard that there may be another patchset 8.1.7.4 (maybe even
8.1.7.5)  coming.Maybe those patch sets aren't so picky anymore.


Jack


   

  Mercadante, 

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Jack,

I went from 805 to 816 with no problem at all (this was before 817 was
available).  The differences between 816 and 817 were minor.  I would go
for
it.

If you want, create a test 805 database and migrate it to 8172 directly to
see what happens.  You should do this *anyway* to make sure you don't have
any issues.  I would even go so far as to create a small 805 database,
create all of your objects in it (using export/import)  and migrate it.
this way, you get no surprises.

hope this helps

Tom Mercadante
Oracle Certified Professional


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Hi All,


we are in the process of upgrading to 8.1.7.3 some of our databases (now
8.0.5)
According to the Doc's thsi has to be done in two steps
Upgrade to 8.1.7.0.0 followed by and upgrade to 8.1.7.3.0.

This means that we have to upgrade all our databases in one go, or install
another base 8.1.7 install to do some databases later.

On our test system however we have upgraded directly form 8.0.5 and all
seems to be fine.

Anybody care to comment/share their opinions/experiences


TIA



Jack

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Installing Tora on RH 6.2

2002-04-18 Thread amolsonaikar

Hi Gurus 

I have downloaded .rpm file o Tora ..the tool used to access Oracle on Linux. I want 
to install it on my linux box where I have oracle 8i (8.1.6)
I have connected to the root user and gave following command and got the error below
# rpm -ivh tora-1.2.2-1gc-glibc21.i686.rpm 

error: failed dependencies:
libDCOP.so.1 is needed by tora-1.2.2-1gc
libXft.so.1 is needed by tora-1.2.2-1gc
libXrender.so.1 is needed by tora-1.2.2-1gc
libcrypto.so.0 is needed by tora-1.2.2-1gc
libfreetype.so.6 is needed by tora-1.2.2-1gc
libkdecore.so.3 is needed by tora-1.2.2-1gc
libkdefakes.so.3 is needed by tora-1.2.2-1gc
libkdesu.so.1 is needed by tora-1.2.2-1gc
libkdeui.so.3 is needed by tora-1.2.2-1gc
libkfile.so.3 is needed by tora-1.2.2-1gc
libkhtml.so.3 is needed by tora-1.2.2-1gc
libkio.so.3 is needed by tora-1.2.2-1gc
libkjava.so.1 is needed by tora-1.2.2-1gc
libkparts.so.1 is needed by tora-1.2.2-1gc
libkssl.so.2 is needed by tora-1.2.2-1gc
libksycoca.so.3 is needed by tora-1.2.2-1gc
libmng.so.1 is needed by tora-1.2.2-1gc
libqt-mt.so.2 is needed by tora-1.2.2-1gc
libssl.so.0 is needed by tora-1.2.2-1gc
libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 is needed by tora-1.2.2-1gc
libmysqlclient.so.9 is needed by tora-1.2.2-1gc 

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RE: Accessing Synonym

2002-04-18 Thread GKor

you have to grant that user rights on that specific table

grant select on inventory.table to user;

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 Onderwerp:Accessing Synonym
 
 Hi,
 
 I tried to create a public synonym for a table in schema inventory, but
 it
 does not seem to be working, i.e., when I connect as another user, and try
 to select from the synonym it says table or view does not exist. 
 
 I would appreciate any help.
 
 Aleem
 
 Following are the commands from SQL*Plus:
 
 SQL connect inventory/invent@test_server
 mailto:inventory/invent@test_server 
 Connected.
 SQL create public synonym company for company;
 
 Synonym created.
 SQL connect scott/tiger@test_server mailto:scott/tiger@test_server 
 Connected.
 SQL select * from company;
 select * from company
 *
 ERROR at line 1:
 ORA-00942: table or view does not exist
 SQL select * from inventory.company;
 select * from inventory.company
 *
 ERROR at line 1:
 ORA-00942: table or view does not exist
 
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Re: MySQL vs. Oracle database

2002-04-18 Thread Bunyamin K. Karadeniz

I have not been so much with MySQL  , But want to share my experience.

Firstly , it is very fast ...This makes me suspicious , I wonder if it is
trusted to be integral .
Seem like no control ..Does not contain rollbacks , may be this .. Then how
does it rollback ?

I have used a version where stored procs ,functions are unavailable ..
Wonder if it has now..






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  I don't think you're wrong. MySQL gets dissed frequently on this list,
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  it's really a nice little product. IMHO it's much closer to Oracle than
  Access.
 
  It works well for us. Doesn't scale like Oracle, but works well.

 In some ways it scales better than Oracle. For load+query
 (a.k.a., warehouse) operations it can be faster than
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DBMS_SHARED_POOL.KEEP

2002-04-18 Thread Bunyamin K. Karadeniz



I want to pin most run packages , I have loeded 
them into a table.  For this I have written ,


create or replace procedure pin_packages_defined 
assql_sentence varchar2(200);cursor_name 
INTEGER;rows_processed INTEGER;CURSOR tab_cur 
IS SELECT owner,object_name FROM 
arsiv.pin_aday_objeler;tab_row 
tab_cur%ROWTYPE;BEGINFOR tab_row IN tab_cur 
LOOP--EXECUTE IMMEDIATE 'EXEC 
SYS.DBMS_SHARED_POOL.KEEP('||tab_row.owner||'.'||tab_row.object_name||')'; 
cursor_name := 
dbms_sql.open_cursor;sql_sentence :='SYS.DBMS_SHARED_POOL.KEEP('''||tab_row.owner||'.'||tab_row.object_name||''')'; 
dbms_output.put_line(sql_sentence);dbms_sql.parse(cursor_name,sql_sentence, 
dbms_sql.native);rows_processed := 
dbms_sql.execute(cursor_name);dbms_sql.close_cursor(cursor_name);END 
LOOP;END;
But , It does not execute , Is it impossible 
to execute DBMS_SHARED_POOL.KEEP dynamically ...I tried DBMS_JOB , It did not 
work too. 
How can I do this?



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Re: MySQL vs. Oracle database

2002-04-18 Thread G . Plivna


By default MySQL has no transactions
You have to add special component to access transactional safe tables
called Berkeley db tables. You can commit and rollback on only these
tables. For others every wrong (not syntactically, but for example
inserting characters into number column) insert and update will succeed. If
MySQL cannot insert provided values it uses default values.

One of the biggest pains is (maybe was, I don't know about MySQL 4.xxx)
that it has no foreign keys :

I have created class diagramms for both Oracle and Mysql servers for my
studies in University. It cannot be treated as feature comparison but just
simple overview of these two images will show the situation i.e. compare
object count on these images :-)
And I have to say that Oracle diagramm isn't complete!

Oracle server class diagramm
http://www.itsystems.lv/gints/files/oracle/oracle_s.htm

Mysql server class diagramm
http://www.itsystems.lv/gints/files/mysql/mysql.htm


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I have not been so much with MySQL  , But want to share my experience.

Firstly , it is very fast ...This makes me suspicious , I wonder if it is
trusted to be integral .
Seem like no control ..Does not contain rollbacks , may be this .. Then how
does it rollback ?

I have used a version where stored procs ,functions are unavailable ..
Wonder if it has now..






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Civilian IT Department
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Mobile : +90 535 3357729

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Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 10:31 PM




 -- Weaver, Walt [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  I don't think you're wrong. MySQL gets dissed frequently on this list,
but
  it's really a nice little product. IMHO it's much closer to Oracle than
  Access.
 
  It works well for us. Doesn't scale like Oracle, but works well.

 In some ways it scales better than Oracle. For load+query
 (a.k.a., warehouse) operations it can be faster than
 Oracle because it doesn't get tangled up with rollbacks,
 etc. On systms with many instances it also can be much
 simpler to administer.

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Re:Import excelfile into Oracle table

2002-04-18 Thread emre . hancioglu

Hi,
You'd better do the following:
* Convert the excel file to .csv file.
* Use utl_file package to read the data and insert to Oracle Tables.


M.Emre HANCIOGLU
Masterfoods GmbH


Ang: Re:Import excelfile into Oracle table

2002-04-18 Thread Roland . Skoldblom


Ok, thanks can you give me a good example on how to write the pl/sql code?

Thanks in advance.

Roland





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Hi,
You'd better do the following:
* Convert the excel file to .csv file.
* Use utl_file package to read the data and insert to Oracle Tables.


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Re: HIGH CPU WITH MULTIPLE CONCURRENT USERS (long)

2002-04-18 Thread Jonathan Lewis


There appear to be a number of contradictory items
in your posting; presumably due to the passage of
time and the number of variations and experiments
that have take place.

You seem to indicate that a simple select on a single
table using an IN list takes 2 seconds to complete,
but the time escalates to 7 seconds when you run 10
concurrent copies. Also that there is a suggestion that
this 2 seconds is due to a wait between parsing and
fetching.

Two seconds is a very long time for a simple query.
How long is the IN list, what is the execution plan,
are you using bind variables, is there an nvl() function
involved in columns referenced in the WHERE clause,
and have you tried a 10053 trace ?

How are you determining that there is a two-second
wait between the parse and the fetch, and when you
say WAIT, can I infer from your comments about CPU
usage that you mean that there is some indication of
2 seconds of lost time but
  a)  Oracle does not show a wait in v$session_wait
  b)  the CPU does not go idle.


There are a number of possible anomalies in the
information that you have sent to Oracle, and your
init.ora has a number of strange settings which may
be affecting things (possibly because of bugs,
possibly because of resource demands and forced
code paths).  However, based on your initial description,
I think Oracle is chewing up CPU trying to optimize
your query, and I would take steps to check whether
this is actually the case (e.g. keep reducing the size
of the IN list).




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A co-worker is having a fairly serious issue with performance tuning
of a system.  The system is in the stress testing phase prior to
rolling out into production.  I have not included all the information
as so far they have exceeded three TARs and are working on the fourth
one right now.  Oracle has become fairly heavily involved and is
sending in the Advanced services team is now involved.  He has
identified that the main issue is a wait after the parsing of the SQL
and during the fetch portion of the execution.  The short version is
running the same SQL statement ( basically  nothing more than a simple
query against a single table) the machine starts bogging down with a
simulated 20+ users sessions and the system starts to choke at 100+
user sessions.  We are talking a fairly decent midrange system.  The
query is a select with 5 columns extracted and a where clause that
uses the in clause to select the same rows for each query.  The
question is has anyone seen this type of behavior before?  If you have
seen this before what was the root cause? Did you find a solution?

Oracle acknowledges that the scenario is reproducible within their
test environment, but the core team is stating that it is working as
designed.  Oracle is working with us, but why not check with other
sources.



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Re: What is Oracle made from ?

2002-04-18 Thread Eric D. Pierce

I always wondered who got the shaft, I had assumed it was customers.

On 17 Apr 2002 at 9:23, Jan Pruner wrote:


 No, it is of the most gentle substrate of the shaft of moon light.
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I believe its C++ now but it was C.

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Re: Archiving Data Strategies.

2002-04-18 Thread Eric D. Pierce

Council on Library and Information Resources

http://www.clir.org/home.html
-
http://www.clir.org/pubs/issues/issues25.html#plan
-

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http://www.clir.org/pubs/reports/rothenberg/contents.html

Avoiding Technological Quicksand:
Finding a Viable Technical Foundation for Digital Preservation 

by Jeff Rothenberg 
January 1998

Contents
Preface 

Executive Summary 

Introduction 
The Digital Longevity Problem 
Preservation in the Digital Age 
The Scope of the Problem 
Technical Dimensions of the Problem 
The Inadequacy of Most Proposed Approaches 
Criteria for an Ideal Solution 
The Emulation Solution 
Research Required for the Emulation Approach 
Summary 
References 

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On 15 Apr 2002 at 9:49, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Ian,
 
 I've put of replying to this for a couple of weeks now.  I see that
 no one else has replied either, at least to the list.
 
 Archiving data is a rather complex subject. 

...


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 Hi All,
 
 I previously posted this question to the Lazydba List and got a couple
 of replies, but thought I would also send it to this list as well to see
 if I can just get a couple more (so excuses to those people that have
 already seen it)
 
 I am currently discussing with a customer their requirements for
 archiving data as their system is 4 years old and billing data is piling
 up which obviously is affecting performance. I am pushing for an Oracle
 upgrade, they are currently on 7.3.4 and I am trying to get them to go
 to 9i. The main reason for this is so they can use partitioning.
 
 My question to the List is to try and find out other people's
 experiences in archiving complex and integral data and whether most have
 gone the partitioning path or some other path (ie. Something like
 separate tables and data migration).


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Re:Re:Import excelfile into Oracle table

2002-04-18 Thread emre . hancioglu

Here is an example. As far as I know, utl_file package reads data from unix box. So the file path below should be on Unix and be careful about your rights writing or reading from this path.


DECLARE

outfile_handle UTL_FILE.FILE_TYPE; 
v_test VARCHAR2(1000) ; 

BEGIN

outfile_handle := UTL_FILE.FOPEN('FILE PATH','file_name','A'); 

v_test := 'This is a Test ' ; 

-- To write a line into the file

UTL_FILE.PUT_LINE(outfile_handle, v_test) ;

-- To close the file

UTL_FILE.FCLOSE (outfile_handle) ;

EXCEPTION
WHEN UTL_FILE.INVALID_FILEHANDLE
THEN
DBMS_OUTPUT.PUT_LINE('Invalid File Handle');
UTL_FILE.FCLOSE_ALL;
WHEN UTL_FILE.INVALID_MODE
THEN
UTL_FILE.FCLOSE_ALL;
DBMS_OUTPUT.PUT_LINE('Invalid Mode');
WHEN UTL_FILE.INTERNAL_ERROR
THEN
UTL_FILE.FCLOSE_ALL;
DBMS_OUTPUT.PUT_LINE('Internal Error');
WHEN UTL_FILE.INVALID_OPERATION
THEN
UTL_FILE.FCLOSE_ALL;
DBMS_OUTPUT.PUT_LINE('Invalid Operation');
WHEN UTL_FILE.INVALID_PATH
THEN
UTL_FILE.FCLOSE_ALL;
DBMS_OUTPUT.PUT_LINE('Invalid Path');
WHEN UTL_FILE.READ_ERROR
THEN
UTL_FILE.FCLOSE_ALL;
DBMS_OUTPUT.PUT_LINE('Read Error');
WHEN UTL_FILE.WRITE_ERROR
THEN
UTL_FILE.FCLOSE_ALL;
DBMS_OUTPUT.PUT_LINE('Write Error');
WHEN NO_DATA_FOUND
THEN
UTL_FILE.FCLOSE_ALL;
DBMS_OUTPUT.PUT_LINE('No Data Found');
WHEN VALUE_ERROR
THEN
UTL_FILE.FCLOSE_ALL;
DBMS_OUTPUT.PUT_LINE('Value Error' || step || ' ' || SUBSTR(V_BUFF,25,7) || step); 
WHEN OTHERS 
THEN
UTL_FILE.FCLOSE_ALL;
DBMS_OUTPUT.PUT_LINE('Error!' || substr(sqlerrm,1,75) || step);
utl_file.fclose_all;
END ;





M.Emre HANCIOGLU
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ISI Application Support
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Ok, thanks can you give me a good example on how to write the pl/sql code?

Thanks in advance.

Roland





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Hi,
You'd better do the following:
* Convert the excel file to .csv file.
* Use utl_file package to read the data and insert to Oracle Tables.


M.Emre HANCIOGLU
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Re: PK field - number of char

2002-04-18 Thread Bjørn Engsig

Brian,

Your figures for the number of bytest are incorrect.  A 38 digit number (max 
Oracle can handle) takes approximately 20 bytes, a 38 character varchar2 
takes 39 bytes.

To answer the original question:  The only difference would be in converting 
the external format of the data (e.g. a double or int in the number case) to 
the internal format and in the space used; as soon as it is under the hood of 
Oracle both numbers and varchar2s are simply a variable length string of 
bytes, which needs to be saved in the index and compared.  If your data 
really is numerical, you save space (and hence potentially some time inside 
the kernel) if it is stored as number but you pay with a potentailly somewhat 
slower conversion between internal and external format.

In practical terms, it probably doesn't matter enough to care, so your 
decision should be based on what you really have, i.e. numerical data should 
be stored in number, text data in varchar2.  

Thanks, Bjørn.

On Thursday 18 April 2002 00:53, Brian Haas wrote:
 Tom,

 Well you got me sort of. I ran a few quick tests on a table with 500K
 rows. The return times were almost always identical. The main difference
 between a Pk with a number and a char/varchar is storage. a 40 digit
 number takes 4bytes of space. A 40 character string takes 10 bytes.

 This translated into the character datatype moving 30 more bytes per
 query over sql*net than the number datatype. On a heavily used
 application hitting a backend Oracle DB via sql*net, those extra bytes
 could make a difference in response time. but I guess that is more of a
 network bottleneck than a database one.
   here are my results:
 char(40) Pk:
 Elapsed: 00:00:00.52
 Execution Plan
 --
0  SELECT STATEMENT Optimizer=CHOOSE (Cost=2 Card=1 Bytes=10)
10   INDEX (UNIQUE SCAN) OF 'PKTEST_CHAR_PK' (UNIQUE) (Cost=2 C
   ard=1 Bytes=10)
 Statistics
 --
   0  recursive calls
   0  db block gets
   3  consistent gets
   0  physical reads
   0  redo size
 239  bytes sent via SQL*Net to client
 253  bytes received via SQL*Net from client
   3  SQL*Net roundtrips to/from client
   0  sorts (memory)
   0  sorts (disk)
   1  rows processed
 number datatype:
  Elapsed: 00:00:00.51
  Execution Plan
 --
0  SELECT STATEMENT Optimizer=CHOOSE (Cost=2 Card=1 Bytes=4)
10   INDEX (UNIQUE SCAN) OF 'PKTEST_PK' (UNIQUE) (Cost=2 Card=1
Bytes=4)
 Statistics
 --
   0  recursive calls
   0  db block gets
   3  consistent gets
   0  physical reads
   0  redo size
 218  bytes sent via SQL*Net to client
 246  bytes received via SQL*Net from client
   3  SQL*Net roundtrips to/from client
   0  sorts (memory)
   0  sorts (disk)
   1  rows processed

 -Brian

 On Wed, 2002-04-17 at 11:52, Mercadante, Thomas F wrote:
  All,
 
  Does anyone have any specific metrics demonstrating that a PK that is
  based on a number field is faster than a PK based on a character field?
 
  I've seen it mentioned a couple of times today under the Design
  Question topic.
 
  It doesn't make any sense to me that one or the other would be faster.
  After all, we are talking about comparison searches within the B-Tree
  index structure.  Why searching down the tree for a number is any faster
  than a char is lost on me.

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Re: Security Hole

2002-04-18 Thread Jonathan Lewis

For those of you with Metalink access,
there is now a patch to this bug for 9.0.1.3 

Patch number is 2121935.

Platforms covered are:
HP 9000 series HP-UX 64-bit
Sun Sparc Solaris 64-bit
IBM RS/6000 64-bit
Sun Sparc Solaris
Digital Alpha OpenVMS
LINUX Intel
Compaq Tur64 UNIX

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|This just in from comp.databases.oracle.server.
|
|See metalink bug 2121935.
|
|Using ANSI syntax joins (CROSS JOIN, LEFT OUTER etc)
|allows you to view data from tables on which you have no
|privilege.  For example, try this COMPLETE script:
|
|connect / as sysdba
|create user us1 identified by us1;
|grant create session to us1;
|
|connect us1/us1
|
|select userid, password
|from
|sys.link$ cross join dual
|;
|
|
|
|Worse still, if you have the privilege to create views
|then this loophole allows you to seek and destroy 
|ANY DATA in the database that you might want to.
|
|The bug is fixed in 9iR2.  I didn't see any note 
|about a backport, or a security alert on OTN.
|
|Conclusion:
|
|9.0.1 should not be in use on production system
|until Oracle supplies a fix.
|
|
|
|Jonathan Lewis
|http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk
|
|Author of:
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RE: datafile sizing ?

2002-04-18 Thread Ron Rogers

Darren,
 It also depends on the extent sizes you use for the tables in the
tablespace. Will each extent completely use the datafile or will there
be wasted space in the smaller datafiles. As an example: if there is 100
M free space and the extent is 150 M it will not fit in the datafile and
will use the next free space in the new datafile, wasting the 100 M free
space. That can add up to a lot of space over time. 
 Also remember to set the MAXDATAFILE to a limit allowable by the os.
once you reach the limit if it is set small you have to rebuild the
database to raise the limit. Different os's have different limits.
Ron
ROR mª¿ªm

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Darren, discuss this with your SA. There may be a limit on the os side
you
need to be aware of.  

Also, consider MTTR.  Seems to me that MTTR won't be that different
between
a 500MB file and a 2GB  file.  

Beyond that, it's your comfort level. Personally I like having larger
files
for ease of administration. 

Lisa Koivu
Oracle Database Monkey Mama
Fairfield Resorts, Inc.
954-935-4117


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 I am currently building a new 8i database, and have the oppurtunity
to
 consolidate
 some of my datafiles.  In the current configuration I have 4 500Mb
 datafiles
 that make up
 a tablespace.
 
 Is it okay to create a 2Gb datafile, or am I better off to create 2
1Gb
 datafile's, or 
 stay with 4 500Mb datafiles.
 
 Thanks
 
 Darren
 
 
 

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Re: RAC

2002-04-18 Thread Ron Rogers

Jonathan,
 At the seminars I have attended it was pointed out that the :true RAC
is COMPAQ only. The seminar was hosted by Oracle/Compaq. Compaq RAC
allows multiple CPU's to mount and use/share the same datafiles in a
true RAC configuration. The drives including the os drive are on a SAN
and shared by the CPU's so knowledge is shared. It was pointed out the
new Linux RAC can only share a RAW device and not a datafile. I don't
know if this is true as I have not tried it yet. The speaker at the
seminar said that with other OS's a RAC is like a High Availability (HA)
option, one CPU is doing nothing until the first one fails or you only
run different applications and datafiles on one CPU and other
applications and datafiles on the second CPU. if one fails you have to
mount the datafiles and switch applications to the active CPU.
  To use a true RAC you have to use Compaq and I think the market share
of the OS's are not True64, so there are probably not a lot of users of
RAC.
Ron
ROR mª¿ªm

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I was talking w/someone today, and we realized that neither
of us knows of anyone actually using RAC in production. So
now I'm curious. Is anyone?

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RE: data cleansing question

2002-04-18 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F

Lisam

I also would check with the end-users of the data.  Marc's points are valid
- but if the end-users (or programmers) accessing the data do not have
experience with a relational system, they will stumble and grumble about
having to learn to use the NVL function.  I personally feel that this is a
good learning experience for them (drag them screaming and kicking into the
relational world).  But sometimes, the fight is just not worth it.  If this
is a small isolated database with few users, then just say screw-it -
populate it exactly as it exists on the IBM mainframe.

If you want to educate them in the real-world, then trim the fields to
replace the zeros with nulls.

hope this helps.

Tom Mercadante
Oracle Certified Professional


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Hi Marc, 

No and no, as far as I know.  I should double check on the user
requirements, you are right.  (It would be helpful if THEY knew)

Thanks, you bring up a good point.  

LK

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 Do you have mainframe programs that will be brought over to use this
 mainframe data?  If so, they will likely have problems with nulls.  If
 there
 will only be new programs accessing this data, then it sounds fine.
 
 Will there by any statistical work on these columns?  Averages, for
 example,
 will be different with zeroes versus nulls.
 
 Marc Perkowitz
 Senior Consultant
 TWJ Consulting, LLP
 
 847-256-8866 x15
 www.twjconsulting.com
 
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 Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 5:43 PM
 
 
  For those of you who have had to deal with data cleansing -
 
  I am working on importing mainframe data into Oracle.  This unglamorous
 job
  involves validating (and sometimes compensating for) what is bad data in
  Oracle's eyes but not on the mainframe - crazy crap like a date =
  22/22/2022.  I also find that the mainframe programs are padding null
 fields
  with 0's.
 
  I wonder how many of you take the route of removing the zeros and
 storing
  null in that field?  Some of the important numeric fields I think I'll
 leave
  that way (past_due_amt, etc.) but several others in this 218-field table
 are
  full of zeroes.  My gut feel is to null out the insignificant 0'd out
 fields
  - that I have pushed to the bottom of the table - to not only save
 space,
  but for data integrity. 0 in 75 fields means nothing to me or to anyone
  else, as far as I can tell.
 
  Thoughts?
 
  Thanks everyone
 
  Lisa Koivu
  Oracle Database Hormone Dispenser.
  Fairfield Resorts, Inc.
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RE: PK field - number or char

2002-04-18 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F

Brian  Bjorn,

Thanks for the replies.  

Sql*Net traffic, in my mind, is insignificant.  If we are trying to
determine query speed, most of the tests should be done with more than one
table in the query, with a join against the table in question.  It is not
very often that we will be querying one table (really talking about code
tables - or static lookup tables - state codes, country codes etc.) and if
we are, the speed doesn't matter in my mind.  It is the constant join
against the table that is more common and would have the larger impact if
the index was significantly slower for a char field rather than a number
field that I was thinking about.  And these types of joins (passing the sql
query across the network) would have the same network cost - the sql string
is not any larger.

I just had the feeling that if this ws an issue, Oracle would have warned us
a *long* time ago that char index values are slower than number index values
(or someone on this list would have figued it out long ago).

thanks

Tom Mercadante
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Tom,

Well you got me sort of. I ran a few quick tests on a table with 500K
rows. The return times were almost always identical. The main difference
between a Pk with a number and a char/varchar is storage. a 40 digit
number takes 4bytes of space. A 40 character string takes 10 bytes. 

This translated into the character datatype moving 30 more bytes per
query over sql*net than the number datatype. On a heavily used
application hitting a backend Oracle DB via sql*net, those extra bytes
could make a difference in response time. but I guess that is more of a
network bottleneck than a database one. 
  here are my results:
char(40) Pk:
Elapsed: 00:00:00.52
Execution Plan
--
   0  SELECT STATEMENT Optimizer=CHOOSE (Cost=2 Card=1 Bytes=10)
   10   INDEX (UNIQUE SCAN) OF 'PKTEST_CHAR_PK' (UNIQUE) (Cost=2 C
  ard=1 Bytes=10)
Statistics
--
  0  recursive calls
  0  db block gets
  3  consistent gets
  0  physical reads
  0  redo size
239  bytes sent via SQL*Net to client
253  bytes received via SQL*Net from client
  3  SQL*Net roundtrips to/from client
  0  sorts (memory)
  0  sorts (disk)
  1  rows processed
number datatype:
 Elapsed: 00:00:00.51
 Execution Plan
--
   0  SELECT STATEMENT Optimizer=CHOOSE (Cost=2 Card=1 Bytes=4)
   10   INDEX (UNIQUE SCAN) OF 'PKTEST_PK' (UNIQUE) (Cost=2 Card=1
   Bytes=4)
Statistics
--
  0  recursive calls
  0  db block gets
  3  consistent gets
  0  physical reads
  0  redo size
218  bytes sent via SQL*Net to client
246  bytes received via SQL*Net from client
  3  SQL*Net roundtrips to/from client
  0  sorts (memory)
  0  sorts (disk)
  1  rows processed

-Brian

On Wed, 2002-04-17 at 11:52, Mercadante, Thomas F wrote:
 All,
 
 Does anyone have any specific metrics demonstrating that a PK that is
based
 on a number field is faster than a PK based on a character field?
 
 I've seen it mentioned a couple of times today under the Design Question
 topic.
 
 It doesn't make any sense to me that one or the other would be faster.
 After all, we are talking about comparison searches within the B-Tree
index
 structure.  Why searching down the tree for a number is any faster than a
 char is lost on me.
 


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RE: DBMS_SHARED_POOL.KEEP

2002-04-18 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F



Bunyamin,

Either try 
removing the 'EXEC' or try putting a begin and end around the 
call?

EXECUTE IMMEDIATE 
'SYS.DBMS_SHARED_POOL.KEEP('||tab_row.owner||'.'||tab_row.object_name||')'; 

or
EXECUTE IMMEDIATE 'BEGIN 
SYS.DBMS_SHARED_POOL.KEEP('||tab_row.owner||'.'||tab_row.object_name||')' || '; 
END';
This is a great idea, 
by the way! Let us know how it works!
Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional 

  -Original Message-From: Bunyamin K. Karadeniz 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 
  4:28 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: 
  DBMS_SHARED_POOL.KEEP
  I want to pin most run packages , I have loeded 
  them into a table. For this I have written ,
  
  
  create or replace procedure pin_packages_defined 
  assql_sentence varchar2(200);cursor_name 
  INTEGER;rows_processed INTEGER;CURSOR tab_cur 
  IS SELECT owner,object_name FROM 
  arsiv.pin_aday_objeler;tab_row 
  tab_cur%ROWTYPE;BEGINFOR tab_row IN 
  tab_cur LOOP--EXECUTE 
  IMMEDIATE 'EXEC 
  SYS.DBMS_SHARED_POOL.KEEP('||tab_row.owner||'.'||tab_row.object_name||')'; 
  cursor_name := 
  dbms_sql.open_cursor;sql_sentence :='SYS.DBMS_SHARED_POOL.KEEP('''||tab_row.owner||'.'||tab_row.object_name||''')'; 
  dbms_output.put_line(sql_sentence);dbms_sql.parse(cursor_name,sql_sentence, 
  dbms_sql.native);rows_processed := 
  dbms_sql.execute(cursor_name);dbms_sql.close_cursor(cursor_name);END 
  LOOP;END;
  But , It does not execute , Is it 
  impossible to execute DBMS_SHARED_POOL.KEEP dynamically ...I tried DBMS_JOB , 
  It did not work too. 
  How can I do this?
  
  
  
  Bunyamin K. 
  Karadeniz 
  Oracle DBA / DeveloperCivilian IT DepartmentHavelsan A.S. 
  Eskisehir yolu 7.km Ankara TurkeyPhone: +90 312 2873565 / 
  1217Mobile : +90 535 3357729
  
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RE: OBJECT DESING

2002-04-18 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F

Seema,

PCTINCREASE - always 0.

PCTFREE - for lookup (code) tables = 10 for others, I use 20.  My theory is
that lookup tables have little or no updates, so this value should be small.
If you have a high-update tables (columns that are updated a 8lot* after the
record was created, you may want a higher value here.

PCTUSED - for lookup (code) tables = 90, for others, I use 80.  Again, for
lookup tables with little or no updates, I fill the data blocks as high as
possible.  For other tables, I currently use 80 as a starting point.  

You will get many opinions here - read the docs to determine what you think
is best for you.

Hope this helps.

Tom Mercadante
Oracle Certified Professional


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Hi
WHat is best practices for PCTFREE,PCTUSED AND PCT_INCREASE value at object 
level?
Thx
-seema




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System datafile corruption.

2002-04-18 Thread Jenner Mike

Guys,
I have a system datafile that returns dbv errors for a SYSTEM
datafile.

The fault has existed for a long time undiscovered so recovery from backup
is not possible. The database still does not exhibit any problems except for
dbv!
The errors are all 'Block Type = Undo data block', so I assume the fault is
in the system rollback segment.

I'm sure I can't drop/recreate the SYSTEM rbs, so does anyone have any
suggestions apart from a full export and import?

Dbv extract is below:

Block Checking: DBA = 67108870, Block Type = Undo data block

ERROR: Undo Block Corrupted.  Error Code = 2008

ktu4ubck: size(108) of undo record #1 corrupted.

UNDO BLK HEADER:

xid: 0x.08a.0151  seq: 0x198 cnt: 0x4d  irb: 0x4d  icl: 0x0   flg:
0x000
0

 

 Rec Offset  |   Rec Offset  |   Rec Offset  |   Rec Offset  |   Rec Offset

---

0x00 0x1fe8  |  0x01 0x1f80  |  0x02 0x1f2e  |  0x03 0x1ee0  |  0x04 0x1e76

.
.
0x4b 0x027c  |  0x4c 0x0212  |  0x4d 0x01b0

Hex dump:

0x000b6b94(+): 00 0a 00 10 00 3c 00 10 00 02 00 00 2a 11 00 00

.
.
0x000b6bf4(+0060): 00 9d 00 00 78 bc 01 00


grep 'Block Type' dbv_log | wc -l
 127

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RE: RAC

2002-04-18 Thread Boivin, Patrice J

I saw this here too, the 9iRAC servers are each about the size of a laptop!

They did a demonstration cluster with OPS with the clustered servers sitting
on a table.

I asked a pointed question to one of the presenters re. iAS, whether it uses
less memory than it used to when it first came out.  It took him a while to
answer, finally he just said that it uses less memory server-side, but it
still uses a lot.

He didn't mention how much.

Regards,
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Jonathan,
 At the seminars I have attended it was pointed out that the :true RAC
is COMPAQ only. The seminar was hosted by Oracle/Compaq. Compaq RAC
allows multiple CPU's to mount and use/share the same datafiles in a
true RAC configuration. The drives including the os drive are on a SAN
and shared by the CPU's so knowledge is shared. It was pointed out the
new Linux RAC can only share a RAW device and not a datafile. I don't
know if this is true as I have not tried it yet. The speaker at the
seminar said that with other OS's a RAC is like a High Availability (HA)
option, one CPU is doing nothing until the first one fails or you only
run different applications and datafiles on one CPU and other
applications and datafiles on the second CPU. if one fails you have to
mount the datafiles and switch applications to the active CPU.
  To use a true RAC you have to use Compaq and I think the market share
of the OS's are not True64, so there are probably not a lot of users of
RAC.
Ron
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of us knows of anyone actually using RAC in production. So
now I'm curious. Is anyone?

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RE: Training for Oracle 8i

2002-04-18 Thread Koivu, Lisa

Hi Peter, 

A test box, documentation and time to play is what worked for me. 

Lisa Koivu
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954-935-4117


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 I have a number of staff needs to upgrade their skills from Oracle 7.3.4
 to
 Oracle 8.1.7.  Going to Oracle Education Center will be too expensive
 given
 that I am looking at 7 person.   Anyone have experience with electronic
 training using the Oracle CD-ROM training package, NETg On-line training,
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 other third party training tools?   If yes, any recommendations?
 
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Re: Ang: Re:Import excelfile into Oracle table

2002-04-18 Thread Charlie Mengler

RTFM where the Fine Manual = PL/SQL for Dummies
or Teach Yourself PL/SQL in 21 Days

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 You'd better do the following:
 * Convert the excel file to .csv file.
 * Use utl_file package to read the data and insert to Oracle Tables.
 
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World's largest database...

2002-04-18 Thread Jim Hawkins

http://www.computerworld.com/storyba/0,4125,NAV47_STO70250,00.html

I thought we had someone on this list from this group, and was just wondering if this 
particular database was in Oracle or not.

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Re: DBMS_SHARED_POOL.KEEP

2002-04-18 Thread Bunyamin K. Karadeniz



Tried and does not work .. 


Bunyamin K. 
Karadeniz Oracle 
DBA / DeveloperCivilian IT DepartmentHavelsan A.S. Eskisehir yolu 
7.km Ankara TurkeyPhone: +90 312 2873565 / 1217Mobile : +90 535 
3357729

The degree of normality in a database is inversely proportional to that 
of its DBA.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Mercadante, Thomas F 
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
  Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 4:18 
  PM
  Subject: RE: DBMS_SHARED_POOL.KEEP
  
  Bunyamin,
  
  Either try 
  removing the 'EXEC' or try putting a begin and end around the 
  call?
  
  EXECUTE IMMEDIATE 
  'SYS.DBMS_SHARED_POOL.KEEP('||tab_row.owner||'.'||tab_row.object_name||')'; 
  
  or
  EXECUTE IMMEDIATE 'BEGIN 
  SYS.DBMS_SHARED_POOL.KEEP('||tab_row.owner||'.'||tab_row.object_name||')' || 
  '; END';
  This is a great 
  idea, by the way! Let us know how it works!
  Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional 
  
-Original Message-From: Bunyamin K. Karadeniz 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 
4:28 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list 
ORACLE-LSubject: DBMS_SHARED_POOL.KEEP
I want to pin most run packages , I have loeded 
them into a table. For this I have written ,


create or replace procedure pin_packages_defined 
assql_sentence varchar2(200);cursor_name 
INTEGER;rows_processed INTEGER;CURSOR tab_cur 
IS SELECT owner,object_name FROM 
arsiv.pin_aday_objeler;tab_row 
tab_cur%ROWTYPE;BEGINFOR tab_row IN 
tab_cur LOOP--EXECUTE 
IMMEDIATE 'EXEC 
SYS.DBMS_SHARED_POOL.KEEP('||tab_row.owner||'.'||tab_row.object_name||')'; 
cursor_name := 
dbms_sql.open_cursor;sql_sentence :='SYS.DBMS_SHARED_POOL.KEEP('''||tab_row.owner||'.'||tab_row.object_name||''')'; 
dbms_output.put_line(sql_sentence);dbms_sql.parse(cursor_name,sql_sentence, 
dbms_sql.native);rows_processed := 
dbms_sql.execute(cursor_name);dbms_sql.close_cursor(cursor_name);END 
LOOP;END;
But , It does not execute , Is it 
impossible to execute DBMS_SHARED_POOL.KEEP dynamically ...I tried DBMS_JOB 
, It did not work too. 
How can I do 
this?



Bunyamin K. 
Karadeniz 
Oracle DBA / DeveloperCivilian IT DepartmentHavelsan A.S. 
Eskisehir yolu 7.km Ankara TurkeyPhone: +90 312 2873565 / 
1217Mobile : +90 535 3357729

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RE: What is Oracle made from ?

2002-04-18 Thread Grabowy, Chris

I thought it was BASIC...after all, their still pushing Visual Basic down
our throats while the rest of the world has moved on...

Everyone knows that Bill Gates invented DOS and Basic...and Steve Ballmer
was jealous so he invented the Internet...

My humble apologies Jared...

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Hmm,

I thought that powerpoint was the development environment for microsoft
products ;-)

Anjo.


Abdul Aleem wrote:

 I don't think so,

 I think they just don't know

 Aleem

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 Apparently folks are bored today.

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 Engsig
 Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 11:04 AM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

 Obviously, the reality is that it is made of Powerpoint slides

 On Wednesday 17 April 2002 19:28, Farnsworth, Dave wrote:
  And all this time I had thought it was made from widgets and gizmos.
;o)
 
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  Nope just C
 
  Anjo.
 
  Kimberly Smith wrote:
   I believe its C++ now but it was C.
  
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   Hi all,
  
   Just for my own info,
   Is Oracle written in C ?
  
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RE: Upgrade 8.0.5 to 8.1.7.3

2002-04-18 Thread Boivin, Patrice J

Huh.  8.1.7.4. or 8.1.7.5.

After what I went through with 8.1.7.3.1., I am leery of applying any more
Oracle patchsets.

Last I heard they planned to release 8.1.7.3.2, but I didn't hear anything
about major patchsets coming out.  Aren't they now developing 9i Release 2
or 3 (not sure, we are at 8.1.7 here) due out this summer, and 10i now?

Regards,
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Call me paranoid.


I'll go for the two phase upgrade (when it's time and all tests are
completed) and make end-user suffer a little more down-time (bye bye
weekend)
We upgraded our peoplesoft test environment already and that is being
tested, sofar w/o problems

Besides I've heard that there may be another patchset 8.1.7.4 (maybe even
8.1.7.5)  coming.Maybe those patch sets aren't so picky anymore.


Jack


 

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Jack,

I went from 805 to 816 with no problem at all (this was before 817 was
available).  The differences between 816 and 817 were minor.  I would go
for
it.

If you want, create a test 805 database and migrate it to 8172 directly to
see what happens.  You should do this *anyway* to make sure you don't have
any issues.  I would even go so far as to create a small 805 database,
create all of your objects in it (using export/import)  and migrate it.
this way, you get no surprises.

hope this helps

Tom Mercadante
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Hi All,


we are in the process of upgrading to 8.1.7.3 some of our databases (now
8.0.5)
According to the Doc's thsi has to be done in two steps
Upgrade to 8.1.7.0.0 followed by and upgrade to 8.1.7.3.0.

This means that we have to upgrade all our databases in one go, or install
another base 8.1.7 install to do some databases later.

On our test system however we have upgraded directly form 8.0.5 and all
seems to be fine.

Anybody care to comment/share their opinions/experiences


TIA



Jack

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Re: RAC

2002-04-18 Thread Scott

Ron, This information is incorrect. RAC is available
on there platforms without shared file systems. I have
RAC running on SUN, NT and Linux. All of these
platforms have shared raw devices and are concurrently
accessed. RAC on shared file systems is only supported
on Tru64, OpenVMS and starting in July it will be
supported on Solaris using Veritas's CFS (9iR2+ Only).
Oracle is also developing a CFS that will ship later
this summer or fall that will be supported with 9iR2.
The other thing is that RAC does not support SAN
drives at this time. Only single instance environments
support SAN environments with specific equipment. 

Scott 


--- Ron Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Jonathan,
  At the seminars I have attended it was pointed out
 that the :true RAC
 is COMPAQ only. The seminar was hosted by
 Oracle/Compaq. Compaq RAC
 allows multiple CPU's to mount and use/share the
 same datafiles in a
 true RAC configuration. The drives including the os
 drive are on a SAN
 and shared by the CPU's so knowledge is shared. It
 was pointed out the
 new Linux RAC can only share a RAW device and not a
 datafile. I don't
 know if this is true as I have not tried it yet. The
 speaker at the
 seminar said that with other OS's a RAC is like a
 High Availability (HA)
 option, one CPU is doing nothing until the first one
 fails or you only
 run different applications and datafiles on one CPU
 and other
 applications and datafiles on the second CPU. if one
 fails you have to
 mount the datafiles and switch applications to the
 active CPU.
   To use a true RAC you have to use Compaq and I
 think the market share
 of the OS's are not True64, so there are probably
 not a lot of users of
 RAC.
 Ron
 ROR mª¿ªm
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/17/02 10:18PM 
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 neither
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RE: RAC

2002-04-18 Thread Boivin, Patrice J

I meant iFS of course, not iAS!  

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I saw this here too, the 9iRAC servers are each about the size of a laptop!

They did a demonstration cluster with OPS with the clustered servers sitting
on a table.

I asked a pointed question to one of the presenters re. iAS, whether it uses
less memory than it used to when it first came out.  It took him a while to
answer, finally he just said that it uses less memory server-side, but it
still uses a lot.

He didn't mention how much.

Regards,
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Jonathan,
 At the seminars I have attended it was pointed out that the :true RAC
is COMPAQ only. The seminar was hosted by Oracle/Compaq. Compaq RAC
allows multiple CPU's to mount and use/share the same datafiles in a
true RAC configuration. The drives including the os drive are on a SAN
and shared by the CPU's so knowledge is shared. It was pointed out the
new Linux RAC can only share a RAW device and not a datafile. I don't
know if this is true as I have not tried it yet. The speaker at the
seminar said that with other OS's a RAC is like a High Availability (HA)
option, one CPU is doing nothing until the first one fails or you only
run different applications and datafiles on one CPU and other
applications and datafiles on the second CPU. if one fails you have to
mount the datafiles and switch applications to the active CPU.
  To use a true RAC you have to use Compaq and I think the market share
of the OS's are not True64, so there are probably not a lot of users of
RAC.
Ron
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Oracle 9i Application Server

2002-04-18 Thread Gagandeep Singh

Greetings Gurus 

Im new to Oracle. Could you please tell me what is the difference 
between Oracle 9i and Oracle Application Server ?


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Re: Accessing Synonym

2002-04-18 Thread tday6


Does the table inventory.company exist?


   

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Hi,

I tried to create a public synonym for a table in schema inventory, but
it
does not seem to be working, i.e., when I connect as another user, and try
to select from the synonym it says table or view does not exist.

I would appreciate any help.

Aleem

Following are the commands from SQL*Plus:

SQL connect inventory/invent@test_server
mailto:inventory/invent@test_server
Connected.
SQL create public synonym company for company;

Synonym created.
SQL connect scott/tiger@test_server mailto:scott/tiger@test_server
Connected.
SQL select * from company;
select * from company
*
ERROR at line 1:
ORA-00942: table or view does not exist
SQL select * from inventory.company;
select * from inventory.company
*
ERROR at line 1:
ORA-00942: table or view does not exist

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SQLLDR core dumping

2002-04-18 Thread Ben Poels

Hi

I installed 9iAS 1.0.2.2.2 on Solaris 8. All went well except
the Portal component failed. When I tried to re-run the
opca (portal configuration assistant) it failed on a segmentation
fault in SQLLDR. Oracle support seems to be stumped by this.
Has anyone else run into this? Thanks,

Ben Poels
Queen's University

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RE: World's largest database...

2002-04-18 Thread Boivin, Patrice J

At the Oracle Technology Day here they mentioned that one of the largest
databases belongs to the Church Of Latter Day Saints, if you can believe it.

They mentioned it in a seminar which also talked about iFS, I don't know
they were implying that it relies on iFS.

Regards,
Patrice Boivin
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http://www.computerworld.com/storyba/0,4125,NAV47_STO70250,00.html

I thought we had someone on this list from this group, and was just
wondering if this particular database was in Oracle or not.

Jim

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RE: MySQL vs. Oracle database

2002-04-18 Thread Weaver, Walt

In our testing the Berkeley table types were hopelessly slow and bloated,
taking up much more space than MyISAM or InnoDB table types.

We had more success with the InnoDB table type, and will be implementing
them some time in the future. InnoDB supports referential integrity.

The table types aren't really a special component; they're implemented via
an argument when the source is compiled.

--Walt Weaver
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By default MySQL has no transactions
You have to add special component to access transactional safe tables
called Berkeley db tables. You can commit and rollback on only these
tables. For others every wrong (not syntactically, but for example
inserting characters into number column) insert and update will succeed. If
MySQL cannot insert provided values it uses default values.

One of the biggest pains is (maybe was, I don't know about MySQL 4.xxx)
that it has no foreign keys :

I have created class diagramms for both Oracle and Mysql servers for my
studies in University. It cannot be treated as feature comparison but just
simple overview of these two images will show the situation i.e. compare
object count on these images :-)
And I have to say that Oracle diagramm isn't complete!

Oracle server class diagramm
http://www.itsystems.lv/gints/files/oracle/oracle_s.htm

Mysql server class diagramm
http://www.itsystems.lv/gints/files/mysql/mysql.htm


Gints Plivna
IT Sistçmas, Meríeïa 13, LV1050 Rîga
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I have not been so much with MySQL  , But want to share my experience.

Firstly , it is very fast ...This makes me suspicious , I wonder if it is
trusted to be integral .
Seem like no control ..Does not contain rollbacks , may be this .. Then how
does it rollback ?

I have used a version where stored procs ,functions are unavailable ..
Wonder if it has now..






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  I don't think you're wrong. MySQL gets dissed frequently on this list,
but
  it's really a nice little product. IMHO it's much closer to Oracle than
  Access.
 
  It works well for us. Doesn't scale like Oracle, but works well.

 In some ways it scales better than Oracle. For load+query
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Re: HIGH CPU WITH MULTIPLE CONCURRENT USERS (long)

2002-04-18 Thread Paul Vallee




Hi Richard,

Consider hiring Steve Adams (Ixora) to work for 
you. His rates are reasonable and he has worked problems exactly like this 
dozens of times. He is the most competent troubleshooter of these types of 
problems I have ever worked with and I highly recommend you consider retaining 
his services.

That being said... :-)

Your shared pool size of 1G is ridiculous. Try 
150M, unset spin_count, throw the rest in db_block_buffers, and please show us 
the statspack output after that.

Also, go to www.ixora.com.au, and download a few scripts: 
latch_sleeps.sql, latch_where.sql. The output might be interesting.

Finally, run a select * from v$sqlarea where 
version_count  100. Any sql statement in that list is probably part of your 
problem, and finding out why it's getting invalidated will be part of your 
solution.

HTH,
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  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 11:48 
  PM
  Subject: Re: HIGH CPU WITH MULTIPLE 
  CONCURRENT USERS (long)
  
  
  Never mind. I just saw that oracle was able to 
  reproduce it internally.
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Richard 
Eastham 
To: Multiple 
recipients of list ORACLE-L 
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 
11:58 PM
Subject: HIGH CPU WITH 
MULTIPLE CONCURRENT USERS (long)

A co-worker is having a fairly serious issue with performance tuning of 
a system. The system is in the stress testing phase prior to rolling 
out into production. I have not included all the information as so far 
they have exceeded three TARs and are working on the fourth one right 
now. Oracle has become fairly heavily involved and is sending in the 
Advanced services team is now involved. He has identified that the 
main issue is a wait after the parsing of the SQL and during the fetch 
portion of the execution. The short version is running the same SQL 
statement ( basically nothing more than a simple query against a 
single table) the machine starts bogging down with a simulated 
20+users sessions and the system starts to choke at 100+ user 
sessions. We are talking a fairlydecent midrange system. 
The query is a select with 5 columns extracted and a where clause that uses 
the in clause to select the same rows for each query. The question is 
has anyone seen this type of behavior before? If you have seen this 
before what was the root cause? Did you find a solution?

Oracle acknowledges that the scenario is reproducible within their test 
environment, but the core team is stating that it is working as 
designed. Oracle is working with us, but why not check with other 
sources.





A summary of where we are at: (4th TAR)


  We 
  tried to simulate the same performance degradation on an entirely 
  different environment. We have been able to do the 
  same. 
  We 
  had requested Oracle to simulate the test case in their environment. They 
  have been able simulate the performance degradation. Their analysis is 
  also provided in this attachment. 
  To 
  summarize, they have simulated where 1 user query runs in 2 seconds and 
  10-user query takes 7 seconds on a 4-processor 
  server. 
  The 
  development team of Oracle has answered to this degradation as normal and 
  as designed. However, the degradation is very high and is in contrast with 
  their alleged benchmark results (67000 transactions per minute on a 8 
  processor hardware). For us the degradation is so high that we are not 
  able to run 150 transactions per minute on a 4-processor server. The 
  simulation within oracle also supports this 
  degradation






15-APR-02 22:09:08 GMTPasting information into the tar on 
bug:2321553 Abstract: HIGH CPU WITH MULTIPLE CONCURRENT USERS since 
currently unavailable on MetaLink:"PROBLEM:Customer 
has a production database that was installed on a Sun Solaris 2.8. The 
Solaris was a fresh install. The database was a fresh install. Customer 
is having the following problems:.1. Performance problems with 
multiple users - more users more performance problems2. The query 
runs fine, explain plan runs fine, query just takes moer time with more 
users - same query3. Customer tested multi-user connection from the box 
via sqlplus ( no network ) - same issue4. Customer removed the 
application from the env and ran multi-user test - same problem.5. 
Customer loaded data in another 8.1.7 database on Win 2000 - same 

RE: Ang: Re:Import excelfile into Oracle table

2002-04-18 Thread Koivu, Lisa

Or sql*loader.   csv isn't the best choice of file format in my opinion
(will any of your fields have commas in them?) but sql*loader will pick up
the file and slam it in faster than you can blink an eye. 

Lisa Koivu
Oracle Database Monkey Mama
Fairfield Resorts, Inc.
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 RTFM where the Fine Manual = PL/SQL for Dummies
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  Ok, thanks can you give me a good example on how to write the pl/sql
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  Thanks in advance.
  
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RE: RAC

2002-04-18 Thread Boivin, Patrice J

I remember they mentioned that Compaq Tru64 (and perhaps VMS) has a cluster
file system which runs over fiber optic line between the cluster servers.
The servers use it to stay in synch and to share information.

For the datafiles, they recommended using one of the Tru64 file systems
instead of RAW.  The Compaq people said that direct I/O works with (one?) of
their file systems.  I remember a couple of years ago I was told that Tru64
4.0d didn't do true direct I/O, it was simulated.  Oracle told me not to
assume that Tru64 supported direct I/O for non-RAW partitions back then.
Apparently that has been fixed.

When they compared load sharing with other cluster servers, the only one
they mentioned as an example was the Windows2000 cluster server, probably
because it's popular.
Regards,
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)

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Ron, This information is incorrect. RAC is available
on there platforms without shared file systems. I have
RAC running on SUN, NT and Linux. All of these
platforms have shared raw devices and are concurrently
accessed. RAC on shared file systems is only supported
on Tru64, OpenVMS and starting in July it will be
supported on Solaris using Veritas's CFS (9iR2+ Only).
Oracle is also developing a CFS that will ship later
this summer or fall that will be supported with 9iR2.
The other thing is that RAC does not support SAN
drives at this time. Only single instance environments
support SAN environments with specific equipment. 

Scott 


--- Ron Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Jonathan,
  At the seminars I have attended it was pointed out
 that the :true RAC
 is COMPAQ only. The seminar was hosted by
 Oracle/Compaq. Compaq RAC
 allows multiple CPU's to mount and use/share the
 same datafiles in a
 true RAC configuration. The drives including the os
 drive are on a SAN
 and shared by the CPU's so knowledge is shared. It
 was pointed out the
 new Linux RAC can only share a RAW device and not a
 datafile. I don't
 know if this is true as I have not tried it yet. The
 speaker at the
 seminar said that with other OS's a RAC is like a
 High Availability (HA)
 option, one CPU is doing nothing until the first one
 fails or you only
 run different applications and datafiles on one CPU
 and other
 applications and datafiles on the second CPU. if one
 fails you have to
 mount the datafiles and switch applications to the
 active CPU.
   To use a true RAC you have to use Compaq and I
 think the market share
 of the OS's are not True64, so there are probably
 not a lot of users of
 RAC.
 Ron
 ROR mª¿ªm
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/17/02 10:18PM 
 I was talking w/someone today, and we realized that
 neither
 of us knows of anyone actually using RAC in
 production. So
 now I'm curious. Is anyone?
 
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RE: RAC

2002-04-18 Thread Koivu, Lisa

fwiw, I have heard that licensing for RAC is incredibly expensive. 

But does that really suprise anyone?

Lisa Koivu
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 I saw this here too, the 9iRAC servers are each about the size of a
 laptop!
 
 They did a demonstration cluster with OPS with the clustered servers
 sitting
 on a table.
 
 I asked a pointed question to one of the presenters re. iAS, whether it
 uses
 less memory than it used to when it first came out.  It took him a while
 to
 answer, finally he just said that it uses less memory server-side, but it
 still uses a lot.
 
 He didn't mention how much.
 
 Regards,
 Patrice Boivin
 Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
 
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 Jonathan,
  At the seminars I have attended it was pointed out that the :true RAC
 is COMPAQ only. The seminar was hosted by Oracle/Compaq. Compaq RAC
 allows multiple CPU's to mount and use/share the same datafiles in a
 true RAC configuration. The drives including the os drive are on a SAN
 and shared by the CPU's so knowledge is shared. It was pointed out the
 new Linux RAC can only share a RAW device and not a datafile. I don't
 know if this is true as I have not tried it yet. The speaker at the
 seminar said that with other OS's a RAC is like a High Availability (HA)
 option, one CPU is doing nothing until the first one fails or you only
 run different applications and datafiles on one CPU and other
 applications and datafiles on the second CPU. if one fails you have to
 mount the datafiles and switch applications to the active CPU.
   To use a true RAC you have to use Compaq and I think the market share
 of the OS's are not True64, so there are probably not a lot of users of
 RAC.
 Ron
 ROR mª¿ªm
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/17/02 10:18PM 
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 of us knows of anyone actually using RAC in production. So
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Re: What is Oracle made from ?

2002-04-18 Thread KENNETH JANUSZ

Correction.

Basic was invented by two college professors at Dartmouth College in the
early 1960's to replace Fortran for analytical analysis.  They needed a
language that was quick and easy to use and throw away the code after you
did your analysis.  It was not meant to be efficient since you threw it away
after you used the program.  And about 10 years ago they both said that if
they knew what people were going to use Basic for they would not have
invented it.

Ken Janusz, CPIM


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I thought it was BASIC...after all, their still pushing Visual Basic down
our throats while the rest of the world has moved on...

Everyone knows that Bill Gates invented DOS and Basic...and Steve Ballmer
was jealous so he invented the Internet...

My humble apologies Jared...

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Hmm,

I thought that powerpoint was the development environment for microsoft
products ;-)

Anjo.


Abdul Aleem wrote:

 I don't think so,

 I think they just don't know

 Aleem

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 Apparently folks are bored today.

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 Engsig
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 Obviously, the reality is that it is made of Powerpoint slides

 On Wednesday 17 April 2002 19:28, Farnsworth, Dave wrote:
  And all this time I had thought it was made from widgets and gizmos.
;o)
 
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  Nope just C
 
  Anjo.
 
  Kimberly Smith wrote:
   I believe its C++ now but it was C.
  
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   Just for my own info,
   Is Oracle written in C ?
  
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RE: DBMS_SHARED_POOL.KEEP

2002-04-18 Thread Lord, David - CSG



Um, 
why can't you do this...

create or replace 
procedure pin_packages_defined assql_sentence 
varchar2(200);cursor_name 
INTEGER;rows_processed INTEGER;CURSOR tab_cur 
IS SELECT owner,object_name FROM 
arsiv.pin_aday_objeler;tab_row 
tab_cur%ROWTYPE;BEGINFOR tab_row IN tab_cur 
LOOP DBMS_SHARED_POOL.KEEP(tab_row.owner||'.'||tab_row.object_name); 
END LOOP;

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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 18 April 2002 
  09:28To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: 
  DBMS_SHARED_POOL.KEEP
  I want to pin most run packages , I have loeded 
  them into a table. For this I have written ,
  
  
  create or replace procedure pin_packages_defined 
  assql_sentence varchar2(200);cursor_name 
  INTEGER;rows_processed INTEGER;CURSOR tab_cur 
  IS SELECT owner,object_name FROM 
  arsiv.pin_aday_objeler;tab_row 
  tab_cur%ROWTYPE;BEGINFOR tab_row IN 
  tab_cur LOOP--EXECUTE 
  IMMEDIATE 'EXEC 
  SYS.DBMS_SHARED_POOL.KEEP('||tab_row.owner||'.'||tab_row.object_name||')'; 
  cursor_name := 
  dbms_sql.open_cursor;sql_sentence :='SYS.DBMS_SHARED_POOL.KEEP('''||tab_row.owner||'.'||tab_row.object_name||''')'; 
  dbms_output.put_line(sql_sentence);dbms_sql.parse(cursor_name,sql_sentence, 
  dbms_sql.native);rows_processed := 
  dbms_sql.execute(cursor_name);dbms_sql.close_cursor(cursor_name);END 
  LOOP;END;
  But , It does not execute , Is it 
  impossible to execute DBMS_SHARED_POOL.KEEP dynamically ...I tried DBMS_JOB , 
  It did not work too. 
  How can I do this?
  
  
  
  Bunyamin K. 
  Karadeniz 
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RE: World's largest database...

2002-04-18 Thread Hately Mike

'fraid not, though Oracle would love it to be their RDBMS it's
Objectivity/DB.

Mike

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http://www.computerworld.com/storyba/0,4125,NAV47_STO70250,00.html

I thought we had someone on this list from this group, and was just
wondering if this particular database was in Oracle or not.

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Re: Ang: Re:Import excelfile into Oracle table

2002-04-18 Thread KENNETH JANUSZ

I have found that using tilde (~) delimited flat files a safe way to go with
SQL*Loader.  You won't find any data using tildes.

Ken Janusz, CPIM

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Or sql*loader.   csv isn't the best choice of file format in my opinion
(will any of your fields have commas in them?) but sql*loader will pick up
the file and slam it in faster than you can blink an eye.

Lisa Koivu
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 RTFM where the Fine Manual = PL/SQL for Dummies
 or Teach Yourself PL/SQL in 21 Days

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  Ok, thanks can you give me a good example on how to write the pl/sql
 code?
 
  Thanks in advance.
 
  Roland
 
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  Kopia:
 
  Hi,
  You'd better do the following:
  * Convert the excel file to .csv file.
  * Use utl_file package to read the data and insert to Oracle Tables.
 
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forced code path?

2002-04-18 Thread Madhusudhanan Sampath

One of Mr Jonathan Lewis' posts refers to 'forced code paths'. What is a 
'forced code path'?

regards
madhu

There are a number of possible anomalies in the
information that you have sent to Oracle, and your
init.ora has a number of strange settings which may
be affecting things (possibly because of bugs,
possibly because of resource demands and forced
code paths).  However, based on your initial description,
I think Oracle is chewing up CPU trying to optimize
your query, and I would take steps to check whether
this is actually the case (e.g. keep reducing the size
of the IN list).



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RE: Re:Import excelfile into Oracle table

2002-04-18 Thread Reddy, Madhusudana



I heard , ( I think in the same list ) ... FILE PATH can be a path to 
your NT local machine too... ( even can have multiple UTL_FILE_DIR locations on 
NT machine )

So we should be able to read a file on NT machine to load the data to the 
Oracle using UTL_FILE package.

--Madhu

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  Re:Re:Import excelfile into Oracle tableHere is an example. As far as I know, utl_file package 
  reads data from unix box. So the file path below should be on Unix and be 
  careful about your rights writing or reading from this path. 
  DECLARE outfile_handle UTL_FILE.FILE_TYPE; v_test VARCHAR2(1000) ; BEGIN outfile_handle := UTL_FILE.FOPEN('FILE PATH','file_name','A'); 
  v_test := 'This is a Test ' ; 
  -- To write a line into the 
  file UTL_FILE.PUT_LINE(outfile_handle, v_test) ; -- To close the file UTL_FILE.FCLOSE (outfile_handle) ; EXCEPTION WHEN 
  UTL_FILE.INVALID_FILEHANDLE THEN DBMS_OUTPUT.PUT_LINE('Invalid File Handle'); UTL_FILE.FCLOSE_ALL; WHEN UTL_FILE.INVALID_MODE THEN UTL_FILE.FCLOSE_ALL; DBMS_OUTPUT.PUT_LINE('Invalid Mode'); WHEN UTL_FILE.INTERNAL_ERROR THEN UTL_FILE.FCLOSE_ALL; DBMS_OUTPUT.PUT_LINE('Internal Error'); WHEN UTL_FILE.INVALID_OPERATION THEN UTL_FILE.FCLOSE_ALL; DBMS_OUTPUT.PUT_LINE('Invalid Operation'); WHEN UTL_FILE.INVALID_PATH THEN UTL_FILE.FCLOSE_ALL; DBMS_OUTPUT.PUT_LINE('Invalid Path'); WHEN UTL_FILE.READ_ERROR THEN UTL_FILE.FCLOSE_ALL; DBMS_OUTPUT.PUT_LINE('Read Error'); WHEN UTL_FILE.WRITE_ERROR THEN UTL_FILE.FCLOSE_ALL; DBMS_OUTPUT.PUT_LINE('Write Error'); WHEN NO_DATA_FOUND THEN 
  UTL_FILE.FCLOSE_ALL; DBMS_OUTPUT.PUT_LINE('No Data Found'); WHEN VALUE_ERROR THEN UTL_FILE.FCLOSE_ALL; DBMS_OUTPUT.PUT_LINE('Value Error' || step || ' ' || 
  SUBSTR(V_BUFF,25,7) || step); WHEN 
  OTHERS THEN UTL_FILE.FCLOSE_ALL; DBMS_OUTPUT.PUT_LINE('Error!' || substr(sqlerrm,1,75) || step); 
  utl_file.fclose_all; END ; M.Emre HANCIOGLUMasterfoods Services GmbHISI 
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Re: SQLLDR core dumping

2002-04-18 Thread Ana Choto


I had the same problem.  We're on Solaris 8, Oracle 8.1.7.2, 9iAS.

I worked with Oracle support for a long time on this issue and they could
never solve the problem.  It has something to do with the environment
variables.  I ended up creating a user with only the most necessary
environment variables (for Oracle 8i only, none of the ones for 9iAS) and
sqlldr works OK.

If you ever find a solution for this problem I'll appreciate it if you tell
me what you did.

Thanks

Ana E. Choto
Systems Programmer
American University
e-Operations - Information Technology
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Re: PK field - number of char

2002-04-18 Thread Jared Still


Tom,

If you are generating keys as you should be, they will be numeric.

Jared

On Wednesday 17 April 2002 11:52, Mercadante, Thomas F wrote:
 All,

 Does anyone have any specific metrics demonstrating that a PK that is based
 on a number field is faster than a PK based on a character field?

 I've seen it mentioned a couple of times today under the Design Question
 topic.

 It doesn't make any sense to me that one or the other would be faster.
 After all, we are talking about comparison searches within the B-Tree index
 structure.  Why searching down the tree for a number is any faster than a
 char is lost on me.

 Just curious if anyone has a reference someplace pointing this out.

 Thanks

 Tom Mercadante
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 If you go with the first option, you will likely be able to get out of
 joining your STATE table to the referencing tables in a bunch of cases
 (since the 2-letter abbreviation is interpretable on its own).  But if
 you'll wind up having to do the join anyway (e.g., to display the
 STATE_DESC) then those joins will likely be faster on a numeric...

 HTH,

 -Roy

 Roy Pardee
 Programmer/Analyst
 SWFPAC Lockheed Martin IT
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 To simplify my question, if I am creating a STATE table to hold all the
 states of the US, should I create it like this...

 Name  Null?Type
 - 
 
 STATE_CODENOT NULL CHAR(2) -- PK

 STATE_DESCNOT NULL VARCHAR2(50)

 or like this...

 Name  Null?Type
 - 
 
 STATE_ID  NOT NULL NUMBER  -- PK
 STATE_CODENOT NULL CHAR(2)
 STATE_DESCNOT NULL VARCHAR2(50)

 I'm trying to figure out which is more efficient, STATE_CODE or STATE_ID,
 when doing a PK lookup, dealing with FKs, etc.

 Many TIA!!!

 Chris
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RE: Accessing Synonym

2002-04-18 Thread Hately Mike

Hi,

Try :

  SQL connect inventory/invent@test_server
  SQL grant select on company to public;

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Does the table inventory.company exist?


 

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Hi,

I tried to create a public synonym for a table in schema inventory, but
it
does not seem to be working, i.e., when I connect as another user, and try
to select from the synonym it says table or view does not exist.

I would appreciate any help.

Aleem

Following are the commands from SQL*Plus:

SQL connect inventory/invent@test_server
mailto:inventory/invent@test_server
Connected.
SQL create public synonym company for company;

Synonym created.
SQL connect scott/tiger@test_server mailto:scott/tiger@test_server
Connected.
SQL select * from company;
select * from company
*
ERROR at line 1:
ORA-00942: table or view does not exist
SQL select * from inventory.company;
select * from inventory.company
*
ERROR at line 1:
ORA-00942: table or view does not exist



 

 

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RE: HIGH CPU WITH MULTIPLE CONCURRENT USERS (long)

2002-04-18 Thread Khedr, Waleed

 
 Here we go again. The numbers make sense and I do not think there is
anything wrong.

Here is the thoery:  When you run five jobs on four CPUs it takes five
seconds. The query requires certain amount of CPU units times Seconds.
Assume each query requires (x) CPU units Seconds.

Running five jobs concurrently (time slices on CPUs) requires 5 * (x)
CPU seconds. This amount of work is split on four CPUs. Means one CPU
will handle 5/4 * (x) CPU seconds.

Since 5/4 * (x) = 5  then x = 4 CPU seconds (the amount of CPU time
needed for one query).

Running 100 concurrent jobs means the need to process 100 * x = 400 cpu
units seconds.

Again (sharing the cpu's time slice) each cpu has to handle 400/4 = 100
cpu seconds. This means each job will stay in the system for 100
seconds.

If you want to get the exact picture then run one job and get the CPU
usage using tkprof. This will be (x).

regards,

Waleed

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Never mind. I just saw that oracle was able to reproduce it internally.

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A co-worker is having a fairly serious issue with performance tuning of
a system.  The system is in the stress testing phase prior to rolling
out into production.  I have not included all the information as so far
they have exceeded three TARs and are working on the fourth one right
now.  Oracle has become fairly heavily involved and is sending in the
Advanced services team is now involved.  He has identified that the main
issue is a wait after the parsing of the SQL and during the fetch
portion of the execution.  The short version is running the same SQL
statement ( basically  nothing more than a simple query against a single
table) the machine starts bogging down with a simulated 20+ users
sessions and the system starts to choke at 100+ user sessions.  We are
talking a fairly decent midrange system.  The query is a select with 5
columns extracted and a where clause that uses the in clause to select
the same rows for each query.  The question is has anyone seen this type
of behavior before?  If you have seen this before what was the root
cause? Did you find a solution?
 
Oracle acknowledges that the scenario is reproducible within their test
environment, but the core team is stating that it is working as
designed.  Oracle is working with us, but why not check with other
sources.
 
 
  _  

A summary of where we are at: (4th TAR)
 

1.  We tried to simulate the same performance degradation on an
entirely different environment. We have been able to do the same. 

2.  We had requested Oracle to simulate the test case in their
environment. They have been able simulate the performance degradation.
Their analysis is also provided in this attachment. 

3.  To summarize, they have simulated where 1 user query runs in 2
seconds and 10-user query takes 7 seconds on a 4-processor server. 

4.  The development team of Oracle has answered to this degradation
as normal and as designed. However, the degradation is very high and is
in contrast with their alleged benchmark results (67000 transactions per
minute on a 8 processor hardware). For us the degradation is so high
that we are not able to run 150 transactions per minute on a 4-processor
server. The simulation within oracle also supports this degradation

 
 
  _  

15-APR-02 22:09:08 GMT

Pasting information into the tar on bug:2321553 Abstract: HIGH CPU WITH
MULTIPLE CONCURRENT USERS since currently unavailable on MetaLink:

PROBLEM:

Customer has a production database that was installed on a Sun Solaris
2.8. 
The Solaris was a fresh install. The database was a fresh install.
Customer 
is having the following problems:
.
1. Performance problems with multiple users - more users more
performance 
problems
2. The query runs fine, explain plan runs fine, query just takes moer
time 
with more users - same query
3. Customer tested multi-user connection from the box via sqlplus ( no 
network ) - same issue
4. Customer removed the application from the env and ran multi-user test
- 
same problem.
5. Customer loaded data in another 8.1.7 database on Win 2000 - same 
performance problem with more users.
.
.
DIAGNOSTIC ANALYSIS:

Analysis by NSAWYER.US 
---
I have looked over the RDA and have found nothing that would cause the
CPU to 
run high. - the more I review the issue the more it seems to be less a
tuning 
issue and more a memory leak problem. But cannot find any report of it
in the 
trace. 
.
Looking for any bugs that could be related to this type of behavior. - I
have 
found none.
.
Analysis 

Reviewed the statpack and noticed that a query parses and retrieves for
a split second, but the data is not return for 10 to 20 seconds. What is
going during that extra time. This might be 

Re: World's largest database...

2002-04-18 Thread Ruth Gramolini

Why no ask Ian MacGregor he's the DBA at the SLA.  RBG
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http://www.computerworld.com/storyba/0,4125,NAV47_STO70250,00.html

I thought we had someone on this list from this group, and was just
wondering if this particular database was in Oracle or not.

Jim

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Re: PK field - number of char

2002-04-18 Thread Jared Still


Tom,

If you're keeping up on the other threads, you will see that 
we are in fact in complete agreement.

As for the char vs. number , which is faster in an index debate
that arises from time to time,  I personally think it's a silly waste
of time.

No disrespect intended, maybe it's the first time you've seriously 
considered it.  Folks that worry about the the nanoseconds they
may be wasting by using the 'wrong' one are being penny wise
and pound foolish.

Much greater gains are to be made elsewhere in every application.

Just my shillings worth,

Jared



On Thursday 18 April 2002 07:37, Mercadante, Thomas F wrote:
 Jared,

 I disagree.  In some cases, I would support and use natural values for
 Primary keys.

 In the case of State Codes, County Codes, Yes/No codes and other that are
 too obvious, I really do not see the value of using an sequence number for
 the PK.

 I have a YES/NO table in my database.  The Web developers use a drop-down
 field to allow the users to select the value they want (YES or NO).  If the
 developers were required to to support the sequence number, it makes the
 coding a tiny bit more complicated (obviously, you and I can think of
 dozens of ways to make it insignificant).

 I guess I'm thinking that this is one of those personal preference things.
 My original question was looking for a good reason why I should NOT use
 chars in an index (thus forcing me to always use a sequence as the PK).  So
 far, I see no reason not to .

 See ya.

 Tom Mercadante
 Oracle Certified Professional


 -Original Message-
 From: Jared Still [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 10:27 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercadante, Thomas F
 Subject: Re: PK field - number of char



 Tom,

 If you are generating keys as you should be, they will be numeric.

 Jared

 On Wednesday 17 April 2002 11:52, Mercadante, Thomas F wrote:
  All,
 
  Does anyone have any specific metrics demonstrating that a PK that is

 based

  on a number field is faster than a PK based on a character field?
 
  I've seen it mentioned a couple of times today under the Design
  Question topic.
 
  It doesn't make any sense to me that one or the other would be faster.
  After all, we are talking about comparison searches within the B-Tree

 index

  structure.  Why searching down the tree for a number is any faster than a
  char is lost on me.
 
  Just curious if anyone has a reference someplace pointing this out.
 
  Thanks
 
  Tom Mercadante
  Oracle Certified (Stupified today) Professional
 
 
  -Original Message-
  Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 2:21 PM
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
  If you go with the first option, you will likely be able to get out of
  joining your STATE table to the referencing tables in a bunch of cases
  (since the 2-letter abbreviation is interpretable on its own).  But if
  you'll wind up having to do the join anyway (e.g., to display the
  STATE_DESC) then those joins will likely be faster on a numeric...
 
  HTH,
 
  -Roy
 
  Roy Pardee
  Programmer/Analyst
  SWFPAC Lockheed Martin IT
  Extension 8487
 
  -Original Message-
  Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 10:19 AM
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
  To simplify my question, if I am creating a STATE table to hold all the
  states of the US, should I create it like this...
 
  Name  Null?Type
  - 
  
  STATE_CODENOT NULL CHAR(2) -- PK
 
  STATE_DESCNOT NULL VARCHAR2(50)
 
  or like this...
 
  Name  Null?Type
  - 
  
  STATE_ID  NOT NULL NUMBER  -- PK
  STATE_CODENOT NULL CHAR(2)
  STATE_DESCNOT NULL VARCHAR2(50)
 
  I'm trying to figure out which is more efficient, STATE_CODE or STATE_ID,
  when doing a PK lookup, dealing with FKs, etc.
 
  Many TIA!!!
 
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RE: Upgrade 8.0.5 to 8.1.7.3

2002-04-18 Thread Connor McDonald

Whilst not recommending export/import as the method,
I've sometimes created a migration planned that
inferred unload-then-reload and then post migration
used the extra time for moving objects around for io
balancing, converting to lmt's, rebuilding indexes et
al.

Sometimes downtime is hard to come by, and lying
through your teeth that the upgrade will take 10 hours
is sometimes a good way to get it :-)

Cheers
Connor

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  The previous DBA, also used the export/import
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  I am most likely going to use.
 
 Can someone explain why anyone would opt for
 export/import as a path
 to do an 8.0 to 8.1 upgrade?  Doesn't the basic
 upgrade just consist
 of starting the instance on the new ORACLE_HOME and
 running an upgrade
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  we are in the process of upgrading to 8.1.7.3 some
 of our databases (now
  8.0.5)
  According to the Doc's thsi has to be done in two
 steps
  Upgrade to 8.1.7.0.0 followed by and upgrade to
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  This means that we have to upgrade all our
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  another base 8.1.7 install to do some databases
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RE: initjvm and rmjvm failing

2002-04-18 Thread Conboy, Jim

Note 159801.1 (Full JVM Removal on 8.1.7) on Metalink may help.  Haven't tried it 
myself but I fear I'm about to.

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Hi All

I am trying to add Java support to one of the databases and it keeps 
failing. It seems that after the first run it didn't get it right and 
rmjvm doesn't seem to run properly after. there still appears to be a 
large bunch of objects in the database. Any ideas as to how to clean it up 


I can rebuild it if i need to, this is more of a learning task, I normally 
create them with Java in the first place.

Any ideas

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Re: Oracle 9i Application Server

2002-04-18 Thread Joseph S Testa

go to technet.oracle.com and look for documentation, its time for you to 
start reading :)

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RE: DBMS_SHARED_POOL.KEEP

2002-04-18 Thread Ji, Richard



You 
are calling a PL/SQL package from PL/SQL. Just get rid of all the execute 
immediate
exec 
stuff and call the package directly : 
sys.dbms_shared_pool.keep();

  -Original Message-From: Bunyamin K. Karadeniz 
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  DBMS_SHARED_POOL.KEEP
  I want to pin most run packages , I have loeded 
  them into a table. For this I have written ,
  
  
  create or replace procedure pin_packages_defined 
  assql_sentence varchar2(200);cursor_name 
  INTEGER;rows_processed INTEGER;CURSOR tab_cur 
  IS SELECT owner,object_name FROM 
  arsiv.pin_aday_objeler;tab_row 
  tab_cur%ROWTYPE;BEGINFOR tab_row IN 
  tab_cur LOOP--EXECUTE 
  IMMEDIATE 'EXEC 
  SYS.DBMS_SHARED_POOL.KEEP('||tab_row.owner||'.'||tab_row.object_name||')'; 
  cursor_name := 
  dbms_sql.open_cursor;sql_sentence :='SYS.DBMS_SHARED_POOL.KEEP('''||tab_row.owner||'.'||tab_row.object_name||''')'; 
  dbms_output.put_line(sql_sentence);dbms_sql.parse(cursor_name,sql_sentence, 
  dbms_sql.native);rows_processed := 
  dbms_sql.execute(cursor_name);dbms_sql.close_cursor(cursor_name);END 
  LOOP;END;
  But , It does not execute , Is it 
  impossible to execute DBMS_SHARED_POOL.KEEP dynamically ...I tried DBMS_JOB , 
  It did not work too. 
  How can I do this?
  
  
  
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RE: RE: World's largest database...

2002-04-18 Thread Jim Hawkins

I can believe that - I think they are the group that offers all the geneaology 
services to track family histories.  I'll bet that's one heck of database too!

Jim

Boivin, Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

At the Oracle Technology Day here they mentioned that one of the largest
databases belongs to the Church Of Latter Day Saints, if you can believe it.

They mentioned it in a seminar which also talked about iFS, I don't know
they were implying that it relies on iFS.

Regards,
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http://www.computerworld.com/storyba/0,4125,NAV47_STO70250,00.html

I thought we had someone on this list from this group, and was just
wondering if this particular database was in Oracle or not.

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RE: MySQL vs. Oracle database

2002-04-18 Thread Orr, Steve

 load+query (a.k.a., warehouse) operations it can be faster than
 Oracle because it doesn't get tangled up with rollbacks, etc. 

Hmmm... We did some load testing here (with Perl::DBI) and MySQL was very
fast with just a few concurrent users but as soon as we cranked up the
number of concurrent users MySQL bogged down but Oracle kept going. For read
consistency I think MySQL is actually putting locks on tables during a query
and when you have some intense queries with a lot of concurrent users they
have to wait in line like 1000 rowdy kindergardeners.

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-- Weaver, Walt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I don't think you're wrong. MySQL gets dissed frequently on this list, but
 it's really a nice little product. IMHO it's much closer to Oracle than
 Access.

 It works well for us. Doesn't scale like Oracle, but works well.

In some ways it scales better than Oracle. For load+query
(a.k.a., warehouse) operations it can be faster than
Oracle because it doesn't get tangled up with rollbacks,
etc. On systms with many instances it also can be much
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Re: World's largest database...

2002-04-18 Thread Jared Still


If it's the same one that Ian MacGregor spoke of some time
ago, it's a distributed database in Objectivity, not Oracle.

Jared

On Thursday 18 April 2002 07:03, Jim Hawkins wrote:
 http://www.computerworld.com/storyba/0,4125,NAV47_STO70250,00.html

 I thought we had someone on this list from this group, and was just
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Re: Symbolic links for datafiles...

2002-04-18 Thread Connor McDonald

Generally running 'df' against a file will tell you
its filesystem

$ ls -l x
lrwxrwxrwx   1 oracle   dba   25 Apr 18 15:56
x - /export/home/oracle/admin
$ df x
/export/home   (/dev/dsk/c0t1d0s0 ): 4491432
blocks   918387 files

Maybe just dump out v$datafile and df each one

hth
connor

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 rates back to real mount points so that I can work
 on balancing IO.
 
 How do I tie the names in DBA_DATA_FILES to actual
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RE: PK field - number of char

2002-04-18 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F

Jared,

I disagree.  In some cases, I would support and use natural values for
Primary keys.

In the case of State Codes, County Codes, Yes/No codes and other that are
too obvious, I really do not see the value of using an sequence number for
the PK.

I have a YES/NO table in my database.  The Web developers use a drop-down
field to allow the users to select the value they want (YES or NO).  If the
developers were required to to support the sequence number, it makes the
coding a tiny bit more complicated (obviously, you and I can think of dozens
of ways to make it insignificant).

I guess I'm thinking that this is one of those personal preference things.
My original question was looking for a good reason why I should NOT use
chars in an index (thus forcing me to always use a sequence as the PK).  So
far, I see no reason not to .

See ya.

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Tom,

If you are generating keys as you should be, they will be numeric.

Jared

On Wednesday 17 April 2002 11:52, Mercadante, Thomas F wrote:
 All,

 Does anyone have any specific metrics demonstrating that a PK that is
based
 on a number field is faster than a PK based on a character field?

 I've seen it mentioned a couple of times today under the Design Question
 topic.

 It doesn't make any sense to me that one or the other would be faster.
 After all, we are talking about comparison searches within the B-Tree
index
 structure.  Why searching down the tree for a number is any faster than a
 char is lost on me.

 Just curious if anyone has a reference someplace pointing this out.

 Thanks

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 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


 If you go with the first option, you will likely be able to get out of
 joining your STATE table to the referencing tables in a bunch of cases
 (since the 2-letter abbreviation is interpretable on its own).  But if
 you'll wind up having to do the join anyway (e.g., to display the
 STATE_DESC) then those joins will likely be faster on a numeric...

 HTH,

 -Roy

 Roy Pardee
 Programmer/Analyst
 SWFPAC Lockheed Martin IT
 Extension 8487

 -Original Message-
 Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 10:19 AM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


 To simplify my question, if I am creating a STATE table to hold all the
 states of the US, should I create it like this...

 Name  Null?Type
 - 
 
 STATE_CODENOT NULL CHAR(2) -- PK

 STATE_DESCNOT NULL VARCHAR2(50)

 or like this...

 Name  Null?Type
 - 
 
 STATE_ID  NOT NULL NUMBER  -- PK
 STATE_CODENOT NULL CHAR(2)
 STATE_DESCNOT NULL VARCHAR2(50)

 I'm trying to figure out which is more efficient, STATE_CODE or STATE_ID,
 when doing a PK lookup, dealing with FKs, etc.

 Many TIA!!!

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RE: MySQL vs. Oracle database

2002-04-18 Thread Mark Leith

Hi Walt, et al.

It's quite possible to use MySQL as a backend database for web hosting and
get good performance and decent reliability. I haven't heard of Access being
used for that sort of thing.

Actually Access is used quite widely as a backend database for web servers.
The usual set-up for an NT web server is to have IIS (web server agent),
that accesses either a SQLServer or Access database via asp pages. We use an
Access database at the backend of our cool-tools.co.uk site.

Just wondering why do you think MySQL is closer to Access than to Oracle. I
have played with MySQL a
little and it is a relational database like Oracle (not sure if access is
one), uses a SQL, can have
logging and archiving just like Oracle. Again I'm not sure whether access
have all this.

Actually, whoever it was that said this (I forget) is right, MySQL is more
like Access (or maybe the older versions of SQLServer (read 7)), than it is
to Oracle. Access is a relational database just like the rest, it's just
that it's more of a desktop or workgroup level database than an enterprise
level database. It handles table relationships etc. just the same however,
and is also SQL based via the back end.

I just wrote an entire application for an introductions agency (dating
agency ;P) that runs entirely on an access database as a side job for a
friend of my fathers.. It's SQLServer/Oracle's little brother by all
accounts, only it includes things such as forms designing etc. as part of
the package..

Damn I'm starting to sound like a Micro$lop sales man now!! But I have to
say, for what I needed to do - it was great!

HTH

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Well, MySQL and Oracle are very different, but there's a world of difference
between MySQL and Access too. It's quite possible to use MySQL as a backend
database for web hosting and get good performance and decent reliability. I
haven't heard of Access being used for that sort of thing.

--Walt Weaver
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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Check google. Anyway they are completely different. MySQL is more like
Access than Oracle.

On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, Nguyen, David M wrote:

 What is different between MySQL and Oracle database?  Someone says they
are
 the same as they are just database.  From DBA or developer point of view,
 what do you say?

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Re: Oracle 9i Application Server

2002-04-18 Thread KENNETH JANUSZ

This Oracle web site will give you all the documentation you need for 9i.
You can download it in .pdf format to your PC for quick reference.


http://download-west.oracle.com/otndoc/oracle9i/901_doc/nav/docindex.htm


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 go to technet.oracle.com and look for documentation, its time for you to
 start reading :)

 joe


 Gagandeep Singh wrote:

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  Im new to Oracle. Could you please tell me what is the difference
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RE: World's largest database...

2002-04-18 Thread Mark Leith

http://www.slac.stanford.edu/BFROOT/www/Computing/Offline/Databases/Conditio
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'fraid not, though Oracle would love it to be their RDBMS it's
Objectivity/DB.

Mike

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http://www.computerworld.com/storyba/0,4125,NAV47_STO70250,00.html

I thought we had someone on this list from this group, and was just
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Reorganize table

2002-04-18 Thread Raghu Kota



Hi Friends,

I need to reorganize my big fat table sized 23Gb, I don't have much space 
for export on my filesystem( I keep one or two filesystems ready for my 
expansion each size 4Gb) in the same table I have more than 5Gb free 
fragmented space, But I can't use it!! So what is best way to reorganize 
this monster table??

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See what happened in Naples in Palestine

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RE: System datafile corruption.

2002-04-18 Thread Vergara, Michael (TEM)

Mike:

Have you upgraded versions lately?  We had the same error
pop up in our System tablespace, but the 'problem' wasn't
real.  It was an artifact left over from the upgrade of
(I think) 7.x to 8.x.  There are parts of the SYSTEM rollback
segment that had never been touched, and these showed up
as corrupt in dbv.  Look in MetaLink, that's where we found 
the problem and the solution.  The solution was to create a
script that used the SYSTEM rollback segment for many 
(MANY) transactions and used up all the available extents in
that rollback segment.  Once it ran, dbv was happy.

Good Luck!
Mike

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Guys,
I have a system datafile that returns dbv errors for a SYSTEM
datafile.

The fault has existed for a long time undiscovered so recovery from backup
is not possible. The database still does not exhibit any problems except for
dbv!
The errors are all 'Block Type = Undo data block', so I assume the fault is
in the system rollback segment.

I'm sure I can't drop/recreate the SYSTEM rbs, so does anyone have any
suggestions apart from a full export and import?

Dbv extract is below:

Block Checking: DBA = 67108870, Block Type = Undo data block

ERROR: Undo Block Corrupted.  Error Code = 2008

ktu4ubck: size(108) of undo record #1 corrupted.

UNDO BLK HEADER:

xid: 0x.08a.0151  seq: 0x198 cnt: 0x4d  irb: 0x4d  icl: 0x0   flg:
0x000
0

 

 Rec Offset  |   Rec Offset  |   Rec Offset  |   Rec Offset  |   Rec Offset

---

0x00 0x1fe8  |  0x01 0x1f80  |  0x02 0x1f2e  |  0x03 0x1ee0  |  0x04 0x1e76

.
.
0x4b 0x027c  |  0x4c 0x0212  |  0x4d 0x01b0

Hex dump:

0x000b6b94(+): 00 0a 00 10 00 3c 00 10 00 02 00 00 2a 11 00 00

.
.
0x000b6bf4(+0060): 00 9d 00 00 78 bc 01 00


grep 'Block Type' dbv_log | wc -l
 127

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DBMS_MAIL

2002-04-18 Thread Boivin, Patrice J

Has anyone used this package to send e-mails to an Exchange server?

Is it possible?

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RE: MySQL vs. Oracle database

2002-04-18 Thread G . Plivna


Thanks for clarification, all my knowledge about transactional tables are
from MySQL docs.
I'v used only not transactional safe tables for some web projects.

Gints Plivna
IT Sistçmas, Meríeïa 13, LV1050 Rîga
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In our testing the Berkeley table types were hopelessly slow and bloated,
taking up much more space than MyISAM or InnoDB table types.

We had more success with the InnoDB table type, and will be implementing
them some time in the future. InnoDB supports referential integrity.

The table types aren't really a special component; they're implemented via
an argument when the source is compiled.

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By default MySQL has no transactions
You have to add special component to access transactional safe tables
called Berkeley db tables. You can commit and rollback on only these
tables. For others every wrong (not syntactically, but for example
inserting characters into number column) insert and update will succeed. If
MySQL cannot insert provided values it uses default values.

One of the biggest pains is (maybe was, I don't know about MySQL 4.xxx)
that it has no foreign keys :

I have created class diagramms for both Oracle and Mysql servers for my
studies in University. It cannot be treated as feature comparison but just
simple overview of these two images will show the situation i.e. compare
object count on these images :-)
And I have to say that Oracle diagramm isn't complete!

Oracle server class diagramm
http://www.itsystems.lv/gints/files/oracle/oracle_s.htm

Mysql server class diagramm
http://www.itsystems.lv/gints/files/mysql/mysql.htm


Gints Plivna
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I have not been so much with MySQL  , But want to share my experience.

Firstly , it is very fast ...This makes me suspicious , I wonder if it is
trusted to be integral .
Seem like no control ..Does not contain rollbacks , may be this .. Then how
does it rollback ?

I have used a version where stored procs ,functions are unavailable ..
Wonder if it has now..






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  I don't think you're wrong. MySQL gets dissed frequently on this list,
but
  it's really 

RE: db2/udb and new skillz

2002-04-18 Thread Andrey Bronfin

Dear Lisa  others !
i've been in the same situation before.
I also felt (and still do) that Oracle DBA alone in the resume is not
enough, and i need something more than it to feel comfortable in this
recessive economy.
I posted almost the same question to the list and (after receiving number of
replies from the dear list memebers) i figured out that my alternatives are
: UNIX sysadmin , java programming , ERP (Oracle apps , SAP etc.) or another
DBMS in addition to Oracle.
I think that the last option (another DBMS) is the least attractive one
comparing to the others , because:
1) in a big company , usualy there are different teams/sub-teams responsible
for different DBMSs and therefore u belong to either Oracle team or another
, but not to both.
2) a small company usualy uses only 1 DB brand.

I , personally, invest my time in learning UNIX sysadmin and enjoy it a lot.
I absolutely believe that if u like Oracle DBAing , you'll love UNIX
sysadmin-ing , or something like this...
Although , networking is my weak side too...






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My fellow Databasers, 

I just found out my employer has an unlimited license for DB2/UDB.  I am
kind of excited at the prospect of learning a new dbms that isn't SQL
Server.  

I am also feeling the need to expand my skills.  Glancing at the job market
under just Oracle isn't promising right now.  I also have a feeling my job
will eventually be transferred to Orlando or Las Vegas.  (Vegas is gorgeous,
but I'm not going.) 

I am not the best programmer.  I can program my way out of a paper bag, I
can write pl/sql fairly quickly and well, but I don't see myself enjoying
learning the ins and outs of Perl, Java or C++.  I don't think well that
way. It would also be a struggle for me to learn unix administration, I
think.  Networking is by far my weakest link (no pun intended)

So my questions are:  How many of you are responsible for Oracle and
DB2/UDB?  What other software (besides erp's) do you find yourself meddling
in/being held responsible for?  (I also may have the chance to learn
Peopleslop, but that would also involve a move to Orlando.  NOT)  If you
were to add a skill to your resume, what would it be? 

Thanks in advance for any replies. In order to keep the list traffic down,
feel free to reply to me directly. 

Peace, Oracle and Happiness, 

Lisa Koivu
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Re: World's largest database...

2002-04-18 Thread Gene Sais

500tb, guess a good reason to use Rman!  Do notice its not called Rwoman :)

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http://www.computerworld.com/storyba/0,4125,NAV47_STO70250,00.html 

I thought we had someone on this list from this group, and was just
wondering if this particular database was in Oracle or not.

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Re: System datafile corruption.

2002-04-18 Thread Jeremiah Wilton

Why don't you verify that the corrupted block belongs to the segment
you think it does, or belongs to a segment at all?

select owner||'.'||segment_name, segment_type from dba_extents where
file_id = file# and 67108870 between block_id and (block_id + blocks
- 1);

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On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, Jenner Mike wrote:

   I have a system datafile that returns dbv errors for a SYSTEM
 datafile.
 
 The fault has existed for a long time undiscovered so recovery from backup
 is not possible. The database still does not exhibit any problems except for
 dbv!
 The errors are all 'Block Type = Undo data block', so I assume the fault is
 in the system rollback segment.
 
 I'm sure I can't drop/recreate the SYSTEM rbs, so does anyone have any
 suggestions apart from a full export and import?
 
 Dbv extract is below:
 
 Block Checking: DBA = 67108870, Block Type = Undo data block
 
 ERROR: Undo Block Corrupted.  Error Code = 2008
 
 ktu4ubck: size(108) of undo record #1 corrupted.
 
 UNDO BLK HEADER:
 
 xid: 0x.08a.0151  seq: 0x198 cnt: 0x4d  irb: 0x4d  icl: 0x0   flg:
 0x000
 0
 
  Rec Offset  |   Rec Offset  |   Rec Offset  |   Rec Offset  |   Rec Offset
 
 ---
 
 0x00 0x1fe8  |  0x01 0x1f80  |  0x02 0x1f2e  |  0x03 0x1ee0  |  0x04 0x1e76
 
 .
 .
 0x4b 0x027c  |  0x4c 0x0212  |  0x4d 0x01b0
 
 Hex dump:
 
 0x000b6b94(+): 00 0a 00 10 00 3c 00 10 00 02 00 00 2a 11 00 00
 
 .
 .
 0x000b6bf4(+0060): 00 9d 00 00 78 bc 01 00
 
 
 grep 'Block Type' dbv_log | wc -l
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RE: PK field - number of char

2002-04-18 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F

Jared,

you said:
As for the char vs. number , which is faster in an index debate
that arises from time to time,  I personally think it's a silly waste
of time.

I totally agree.  As I said, I saw some recent positings stating that
numbers were faster than chars and asked if anyone had any metrics stating
such (in case I missed something someplace).  My intuition was that there
was no difference.  However, things change and I was just checking to keep
up.

thanks for replying.

Tom Mercadante
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Tom,

If you're keeping up on the other threads, you will see that 
we are in fact in complete agreement.

As for the char vs. number , which is faster in an index debate
that arises from time to time,  I personally think it's a silly waste
of time.

No disrespect intended, maybe it's the first time you've seriously 
considered it.  Folks that worry about the the nanoseconds they
may be wasting by using the 'wrong' one are being penny wise
and pound foolish.

Much greater gains are to be made elsewhere in every application.

Just my shillings worth,

Jared



On Thursday 18 April 2002 07:37, Mercadante, Thomas F wrote:
 Jared,

 I disagree.  In some cases, I would support and use natural values for
 Primary keys.

 In the case of State Codes, County Codes, Yes/No codes and other that are
 too obvious, I really do not see the value of using an sequence number for
 the PK.

 I have a YES/NO table in my database.  The Web developers use a drop-down
 field to allow the users to select the value they want (YES or NO).  If
the
 developers were required to to support the sequence number, it makes the
 coding a tiny bit more complicated (obviously, you and I can think of
 dozens of ways to make it insignificant).

 I guess I'm thinking that this is one of those personal preference things.
 My original question was looking for a good reason why I should NOT use
 chars in an index (thus forcing me to always use a sequence as the PK).
So
 far, I see no reason not to .

 See ya.

 Tom Mercadante
 Oracle Certified Professional


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 Tom,

 If you are generating keys as you should be, they will be numeric.

 Jared

 On Wednesday 17 April 2002 11:52, Mercadante, Thomas F wrote:
  All,
 
  Does anyone have any specific metrics demonstrating that a PK that is

 based

  on a number field is faster than a PK based on a character field?
 
  I've seen it mentioned a couple of times today under the Design
  Question topic.
 
  It doesn't make any sense to me that one or the other would be faster.
  After all, we are talking about comparison searches within the B-Tree

 index

  structure.  Why searching down the tree for a number is any faster than
a
  char is lost on me.
 
  Just curious if anyone has a reference someplace pointing this out.
 
  Thanks
 
  Tom Mercadante
  Oracle Certified (Stupified today) Professional
 
 
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  If you go with the first option, you will likely be able to get out of
  joining your STATE table to the referencing tables in a bunch of cases
  (since the 2-letter abbreviation is interpretable on its own).  But if
  you'll wind up having to do the join anyway (e.g., to display the
  STATE_DESC) then those joins will likely be faster on a numeric...
 
  HTH,
 
  -Roy
 
  Roy Pardee
  Programmer/Analyst
  SWFPAC Lockheed Martin IT
  Extension 8487
 
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  To simplify my question, if I am creating a STATE table to hold all the
  states of the US, should I create it like this...
 
  Name  Null?Type
  - 
  
  STATE_CODENOT NULL CHAR(2) --
PK
 
  STATE_DESCNOT NULL VARCHAR2(50)
 
  or like this...
 
  Name  Null?Type
  - 
  
  STATE_ID  NOT NULL NUMBER  --
PK
  STATE_CODENOT NULL CHAR(2)
  STATE_DESCNOT NULL VARCHAR2(50)
 
  I'm trying to figure out which is more efficient, STATE_CODE or
STATE_ID,
  when doing a PK lookup, dealing with FKs, etc.
 
  Many TIA!!!
 
  Chris
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ORA-00600: internal error code, arguments: [4400], [48]

2002-04-18 Thread Smith, Ron L.

I am getting an ORA-00600: internal error code, arguments: [4400], [48] in
my production data warehouse database.  Running on version 8.1.7.2.1 Solaris
10.20 32 bit.

We are also having trouble with Packages that load data into the database
reporting a normal completion but in fact it only loads a portion of the
records.  A rerun of the Package runs to completion and loads all the rows.
No error is reported in the alertlog during the time of the data load.

Any help would be appreciated.

Ron Smith
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Re: forced code path?

2002-04-18 Thread Jonathan Lewis


It doesn't mean anything exciting or
exotic, I was just trying to express the
idea that sometimes Oracle will execute
one piece of (internal) code because of
an init.ora parameter, hint, visible set of
table statistics etc. rather than taking
another path which you might typically
expect it to take.

Jonathan Lewis
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|One of Mr Jonathan Lewis' posts refers to 'forced code paths'. What
is a
|'forced code path'?
|
|regards
|madhu
|
|There are a number of possible anomalies in the
|information that you have sent to Oracle, and your
|init.ora has a number of strange settings which may
|be affecting things (possibly because of bugs,
|possibly because of resource demands and forced
|code paths).  However, based on your initial description,
|I think Oracle is chewing up CPU trying to optimize
|your query, and I would take steps to check whether
|this is actually the case (e.g. keep reducing the size
|of the IN list).
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RE: DBMS_MAIL

2002-04-18 Thread Seefelt, Beth


I believe it only supports SMTP mail, not MAPI.  I have used it to send email to an 
Exchange server that was running the SMTP connector, so yes it can be used as long as 
your Exchange server accepts smtp mail.  You do not have access to the exchange 
distribution lists or global address book like you would with a Mapi API.

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Has anyone used this package to send e-mails to an Exchange server?

Is it possible?

Regards,
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)

Systems Admin  Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes
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Number of CPUs vs. Speed of CPUs

2002-04-18 Thread YTTRI Lisa

We are in the process of sizing a new server for multiple Oracle instances.
What factors are useful as input in determining how many CPUs and the
relative speed of them?  For example, do we want fewer, faster CPUs or do we
want more, slower CPUs?  Are there any good guidelines to determine what the
number of CPUs should be?

Thanks in advance -
Lisa

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Re: World's largest database...

2002-04-18 Thread Ron Rogers

It could be renamed in the next release:
Recovery With Out MANagement. RWOMAN!
Ron
ROR mô¿ôm

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500tb, guess a good reason to use Rman!  Do notice its not called
Rwoman :)

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http://www.computerworld.com/storyba/0,4125,NAV47_STO70250,00.html 

I thought we had someone on this list from this group, and was just
wondering if this particular database was in Oracle or not.

Jim

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RE: datafile sizing ?

2002-04-18 Thread Reddy, Madhusudana

Hello Darren,ROR and all,

How about using locally managed tablespaces and allocating uniform extent
size ( say 4M ) , when we create a tablespace with multiple small datafiles
( say 500 M ) 

I would prefer to have a standard for the size of the datafile .

--Madhu

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Darren,
 It also depends on the extent sizes you use for the tables in the
tablespace. Will each extent completely use the datafile or will there
be wasted space in the smaller datafiles. As an example: if there is 100
M free space and the extent is 150 M it will not fit in the datafile and
will use the next free space in the new datafile, wasting the 100 M free
space. That can add up to a lot of space over time. 
 Also remember to set the MAXDATAFILE to a limit allowable by the os.
once you reach the limit if it is set small you have to rebuild the
database to raise the limit. Different os's have different limits.
Ron
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Darren, discuss this with your SA. There may be a limit on the os side
you
need to be aware of.  

Also, consider MTTR.  Seems to me that MTTR won't be that different
between
a 500MB file and a 2GB  file.  

Beyond that, it's your comfort level. Personally I like having larger
files
for ease of administration. 

Lisa Koivu
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 I am currently building a new 8i database, and have the oppurtunity
to
 consolidate
 some of my datafiles.  In the current configuration I have 4 500Mb
 datafiles
 that make up
 a tablespace.
 
 Is it okay to create a 2Gb datafile, or am I better off to create 2
1Gb
 datafile's, or 
 stay with 4 500Mb datafiles.
 
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 Darren
 
 
 

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Re: Ang: Re:Import excelfile into Oracle table

2002-04-18 Thread Brian_P_MacLean


A simple search of Google:

 http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclientq=utl%5Ffile+example

 Gives the following on the first page:

 http://www.geocities.com/suresh_vemulapalli/utl.htm
 http://utplsql.sourceforge.net/Doc/admin.html
 http://www.classicity.com/oracle/htdocs/forums/ClsyForumID125/11.html#

http://download-east.oracle.com/otndoc/oracle9i/901_doc/appdev.901/a89852/utl_file.htm


Brian P. MacLean
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Ok, thanks can you give me a good example on how to write the pl/sql code?

Thanks in advance.

Roland





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Hi,
You'd better do the following:
* Convert the excel file to .csv file.
* Use utl_file package to read the data and insert to Oracle Tables.


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Compare (diff) Oracle DB and MS-SQLServer DB

2002-04-18 Thread Ray Gordon

One of our teams started programming in SQLServer, but now we are live in a 
production ORACLE environment.  Due to several issues, such as 
licensing,skills, etc., the development must stay on SQLServer.

Is there a tool or whatever to find out the deltas between a SQLServerDB
and an Oracle DB?  Or any suggestions.

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Re: MySQL vs. Oracle database

2002-04-18 Thread Igor Neyman

Gints,

Tried and could not access the web-site, you point to.

Igor Neyman, OCP DBA
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By default MySQL has no transactions
You have to add special component to access transactional safe tables
called Berkeley db tables. You can commit and rollback on only these
tables. For others every wrong (not syntactically, but for example
inserting characters into number column) insert and update will succeed. If
MySQL cannot insert provided values it uses default values.

One of the biggest pains is (maybe was, I don't know about MySQL 4.xxx)
that it has no foreign keys :

I have created class diagramms for both Oracle and Mysql servers for my
studies in University. It cannot be treated as feature comparison but just
simple overview of these two images will show the situation i.e. compare
object count on these images :-)
And I have to say that Oracle diagramm isn't complete!

Oracle server class diagramm
http://www.itsystems.lv/gints/files/oracle/oracle_s.htm

Mysql server class diagramm
http://www.itsystems.lv/gints/files/mysql/mysql.htm


Gints Plivna
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I have not been so much with MySQL  , But want to share my experience.

Firstly , it is very fast ...This makes me suspicious , I wonder if it is
trusted to be integral .
Seem like no control ..Does not contain rollbacks , may be this .. Then how
does it rollback ?

I have used a version where stored procs ,functions are unavailable ..
Wonder if it has now..






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  I don't think you're wrong. MySQL gets dissed frequently on this list,
but
  it's really a nice little product. IMHO it's much closer to Oracle than
  Access.
 
  It works well for us. Doesn't scale like Oracle, but works well.

 In some ways it scales better than Oracle. For load+query
 (a.k.a., warehouse) operations it can be faster than
 Oracle because it doesn't get tangled up with rollbacks,
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Help with Locking Issue

2002-04-18 Thread Jay Hostetter

  I have been spending most of my morning trying to resolve a locking issue.  I think 
I could me missing the forest for the trees.  This is what happens: a user kicks off 
two identical jobs from two different PCs.  Each of these jobs is doing the same 
thing, but against different rows of data (they are processing work orders in our 
system, but each job is processing a different work order).
  One session will wait until the other session completes.  I am trying to figure out 
what they are waiting on.  At first I assumed a locked record, but I don't think that 
is the case.  I did quite a bit of research on MetaLink.  I even rebuilt the table in 
case INITRANS and PCTFREE might be too small, but that didn't seem to help either.
Here is the output from the query in note 1020047.6.

Sess  Op Sys  OBJ NAME or
 ID  USERNAME User IDTERMINAL TRANS_ID  TY Lock Mode   Req Mode
  --  - -- --- ---
  12 KEN468   ken468 KEN468-1 FIXED_ASSET_ACTIV TM Row Excl
  12 KEN468   ken468 KEN468-1 Trans-196694  TX Exclusive
  14 KEN468   Batch  BATCHFIXED_ASSET_ACTIV TM Row Excl
  14 KEN468   Batch  BATCHTrans-196694  TX --Waiting-- Share
  14 KEN468   Batch  BATCHTrans-65597   TX Exclusive


So session 14 is waiting for a share lock.  Session 12 has an exclusive lock that is 
blocking session 14.  How do I find out what session 12 has locked that is needed by 
session 14?

Thanks,
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RE: DBMS_MAIL

2002-04-18 Thread Boivin, Patrice J

Never mind, I found the answer:  It's not possible.

Instead, since 8.1.6., it's better to use the utl_smtp package.

e.g. from MetaLInk:
DECLARE 

conn UTL_SMTP.CONNECTION; 
crlf VARCHAR2( 2 ):= CHR( 13 ) || CHR( 10 ); 
mesg VARCHAR2( 1000 ); 

BEGIN 

conn:= utl_smtp.open_connection( 'smtp01.us.oracle.com', 25 ); 
utl_smtp.helo( conn, 'smtp01.us.oracle.com' ); 
utl_smtp.mail( conn, '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' ); 
utl_smtp.rcpt( conn, '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' ); 
utl_smtp.rcpt( conn, 'cc:[EMAIL PROTECTED]' ); 
mesg:= 'Date: ' || TO_CHAR( SYSDATE, 'dd Mon yy hh24:mi:ss' ) || crlf ||
'From: User1 [EMAIL PROTECTED]' || crlf || 'Subject: Just testing' ||
crlf || 'To: User2 [EMAIL PROTECTED]' || crlf || 'Cc: User1
[EMAIL PROTECTED]' || crlf || '' || crlf || ' This is just a test,
please disregard. ' || crlf || ''; 
utl_smtp.data( conn, mesg ); utl_smtp.quit( conn ); 

END; 
/ 

I am getting ready to test that now, to see if it works.

Regards,
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Is it possible?

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Re: Reorganize table

2002-04-18 Thread Ron Rogers

Raghu,
 I think that because of your limited space you are between the rock
and a hard place.
 Make sure you have a good BACKUP. I would even try for more than one
good backup as you don't know if the backup tape was good until you try
a restoral.
I would try creating a  table that I could load a portion of the data
from the monster table, export the data from the portion table  and
then truncate the portion table. Load the portion table with more
data from the monster table and follow the process until all the data
from the monster table has been exported. I would keep the exports on a
different machine until the re-org is completed. 
After the data is exported you can truncate the monster table and
import the data back into the portion table and then load the data
into the monster table from the portion table. all of you data should
then be back in the monster table and fragmentation removed. 
I understand your situation. I have 72 GIG disk with 3 GIG free and
some datafiles are 3.8 GIG with tables over 6 GIG. I am waiting to
migrate to a new server some time next year.
Ron
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Hi Friends,

I need to reorganize my big fat table sized 23Gb, I don't have much
space 
for export on my filesystem( I keep one or two filesystems ready for my

expansion each size 4Gb) in the same table I have more than 5Gb free 
fragmented space, But I can't use it!! So what is best way to
reorganize 
this monster table??

Thanks in advance
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RE: MySQL vs. Oracle database

2002-04-18 Thread Ron Rogers

1000 rowdy kindergardeners.
 I can relate to that analogy... I can also laugh when I picture it in
my mind.
Ron
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 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/18/02 11:13AM 
 load+query (a.k.a., warehouse) operations it can be faster than
 Oracle because it doesn't get tangled up with rollbacks, etc. 

Hmmm... We did some load testing here (with Perl::DBI) and MySQL was
very
fast with just a few concurrent users but as soon as we cranked up the
number of concurrent users MySQL bogged down but Oracle kept going. For
read
consistency I think MySQL is actually putting locks on tables during a
query
and when you have some intense queries with a lot of concurrent users
they
have to wait in line like 1000 rowdy kindergardeners.

Steve Orr

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RE: MySQL vs. Oracle database

2002-04-18 Thread Joe Raube

What makes you think that MySQL has read consistency?

 For read
 consistency I think MySQL is actually putting locks on tables
 during a query
 and when you have some intense queries with a lot of concurrent
 users they
 have to wait in line like 1000 rowdy kindergardeners.


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Re: RAC

2002-04-18 Thread Tim Gorman

It's true that the *best* platform for 9iRAC is Tru64, as it is the base
port for that product.  But 9iRAC (with reduced feature set) is currently
available across most major Oracle ports already -- it just doesn't include
many of the advanced clustering features that come as part of Tru64 and the
Oracle9i RAC implementation on that port.

Perhaps others on this list can verify, correct, or augment, but this is my
basic understanding...

* Oracle9i is still base-ported on Solaris, but 9iRAC is base-ported on
Tru64...
* Oracle has licensed a great deal of technology from Compaq for 9iRAC,
including clustered file-systems.  At the present release of Oracle (9.0.1),
the full set of these 9iRAC features are available only on Tru64, but
starting with 9.0.2 Oracle will be making many of them available on other
major ports as well...

So Compaq does have a right to claim that it is the only true 9iRAC
solution today.  Since many of the upcoming 9iRAC product features are
native to Tru64, in cases of feature overlap it will be interesting to see
if future versions of 9iRAC utilize the existing Tru64 features (as the
current version of 9.0.1 does) or the newly-included Oracle features?

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Jonathan,
 At the seminars I have attended it was pointed out that the :true RAC
is COMPAQ only. The seminar was hosted by Oracle/Compaq. Compaq RAC
allows multiple CPU's to mount and use/share the same datafiles in a
true RAC configuration. The drives including the os drive are on a SAN
and shared by the CPU's so knowledge is shared. It was pointed out the
new Linux RAC can only share a RAW device and not a datafile. I don't
know if this is true as I have not tried it yet. The speaker at the
seminar said that with other OS's a RAC is like a High Availability (HA)
option, one CPU is doing nothing until the first one fails or you only
run different applications and datafiles on one CPU and other
applications and datafiles on the second CPU. if one fails you have to
mount the datafiles and switch applications to the active CPU.
  To use a true RAC you have to use Compaq and I think the market share
of the OS's are not True64, so there are probably not a lot of users of
RAC.
Ron
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I was talking w/someone today, and we realized that neither
of us knows of anyone actually using RAC in production. So
now I'm curious. Is anyone?

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RE: RE: World's largest database...

2002-04-18 Thread MacGregor, Ian A.

The  0.5 petabyte database at SLAC does not use Oracle;  it uses Objectivity.   
Objectivity is a small company which makes an OODB.  When the project started there 
was no way that Oracle could possibly handle this.  It is still doubtful: Oracle does 
not truly support Hierarchical Storage Systems;  using one huge RAC ties limits your 
machine vendors; some limits such as 64,000 partitions probably need to be increased.

CERN is however very interested in using Oracle for their Large Hadronic Collider, but 
that's about seven years off.  That database will surpass BABAR's which as of 00:01:13 
this morning (April 18 2002) was storing 549.6 TB has been stored in 324603 files.  
CERN's possible use of Oracle is not due to failures in Objectivity, but due  to that 
company's inability to capture market share.  They are hoping the problems which 
prevent Oracle from handling large databases can be fixed by then.I am also hoping 
for this, but I fear Oracle may prove to be an uncooperative prohibitedly expensive 
partner.


Here we have plans to turn up the luminosity.  If approved the database will reach one 
exabyte by the end of the experiment.

I don't believe the genealogy databases are even close to 500 TB.


Ian MacGregor
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I can believe that - I think they are the group that offers all the geneaology 
services to track family histories.  I'll bet that's one heck of database too!

Jim

Boivin, Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

At the Oracle Technology Day here they mentioned that one of the largest
databases belongs to the Church Of Latter Day Saints, if you can believe it.

They mentioned it in a seminar which also talked about iFS, I don't know
they were implying that it relies on iFS.

Regards,
Patrice Boivin
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I thought we had someone on this list from this group, and was just
wondering if this particular database was in Oracle or not.

Jim

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RE: Number of CPUs vs. Speed of CPUs

2002-04-18 Thread Scott . Shafer

How many CPU's will the box hold?  This # should be your requirement, as
you can always negotiate down...

Scott Shafer
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 We are in the process of sizing a new server for multiple Oracle
 instances.
 What factors are useful as input in determining how many CPUs and the
 relative speed of them?  For example, do we want fewer, faster CPUs or do
 we
 want more, slower CPUs?  Are there any good guidelines to determine what
 the
 number of CPUs should be?
 
 Thanks in advance -
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RE: Training for Oracle 8i

2002-04-18 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS

Peter - For 7 folks, I would bargain with a local training company to put on
an in-house program customized for your needs. Unfortunately the training
market is depressed so you can bargain lower rates. My manager got the rate
cut in half. Oracle 8i programs are pretty mature by now. Pick and choose
what applies to your site. I would at least get some prices and run it past
your management chain.
Dennis Williams
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Hi Peter, 

A test box, documentation and time to play is what worked for me. 

Lisa Koivu
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 Dear Guru:
 
 I have a number of staff needs to upgrade their skills from Oracle 7.3.4
 to
 Oracle 8.1.7.  Going to Oracle Education Center will be too expensive
 given
 that I am looking at 7 person.   Anyone have experience with electronic
 training using the Oracle CD-ROM training package, NETg On-line training,
 or
 other third party training tools?   If yes, any recommendations?
 
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RE: Reorganize table

2002-04-18 Thread Koivu, Lisa

If you can't export, can you do ctas (create table as select..) ?  Either
way it's going to take a long, long time...

Lisa Koivu
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 Hi Friends,
 
 I need to reorganize my big fat table sized 23Gb, I don't have much space 
 for export on my filesystem( I keep one or two filesystems ready for my 
 expansion each size 4Gb) in the same table I have more than 5Gb free 
 fragmented space, But I can't use it!! So what is best way to reorganize 
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Quick Question

2002-04-18 Thread Vergara, Michael (TEM)

Sorry about this RTFM question, but I need a quick answer.  I
have a remote database in the UTF8 character set.  When I export
that DB I get this message:

Export done in US7ASCII character set and UTF8 NCHAR character set
server uses UTF8 character set (possible charset conversion)

What can I set my NLS_LANG parameter to so that I get a full UTF8
export?

Thanks,
Mike

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Re: EXP-00010 I need help

2002-04-18 Thread Ruth Gramolini

You have to have permission to export a database or scheman which is not
your own.  At least dba privs..
Ruth
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 This is a valid user in database but not to export somebody has any idee o
 solve it.


 /sscedre/data/spcedw/admin/export[oracle]# exp userid=system/manager
 file=CTXSYS.dmp log=CTXSYS.log owner=CTXSYS

 Export: Release 8.1.7.2.0 - Production on Thu Apr 18 17:43:10 2002

 (c) Copyright 2000 Oracle Corporation.  All rights reserved.


 Connected to: Oracle8i Enterprise Edition Release 8.1.7.2.0 - 64bit
 Production
 With the Partitioning option
 JServer Release 8.1.7.2.0 - 64bit Production
 Export done in WE8ISO8859P15 character set and WE8ISO8859P1 NCHAR
 character set
 server uses WE8ISO8859P1 character set (possible charset conversion)

 About to export specified users ...
 EXP-00010: CTXSYS is not a valid username or not an exportable
 username
 Export terminated successfully with warnings.






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RE: MySQL vs. Oracle database

2002-04-18 Thread Orr, Steve

Here's a quote from a most definitive resource, New Riders' book MySQL by
Paul DuBois, 

The server has two kinds of locking. It uses internal locking to keep
requests from clients from interfering with each other-- for example, to
keep one client's SELECT query from being interrupted by another client's
UPDATE query. (p. 472.)


Steve Orr
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What makes you think that MySQL has read consistency?

 For read
 consistency I think MySQL is actually putting locks on tables
 during a query
 and when you have some intense queries with a lot of concurrent
 users they
 have to wait in line like 1000 rowdy kindergardeners.
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Re: Compare (diff) Oracle DB and MS-SQLServer DB

2002-04-18 Thread Igor Neyman

Oracle offers Migration Kit.
Check OTN.

Igor Neyman, OCP DBA
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 One of our teams started programming in SQLServer, but now we are live in
a
 production ORACLE environment.  Due to several issues, such as
 licensing,skills, etc., the development must stay on SQLServer.

 Is there a tool or whatever to find out the deltas between a SQLServerDB
 and an Oracle DB?  Or any suggestions.

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RE: Reorganize table

2002-04-18 Thread Wong, Bing

You can export and compress on the fly
This unix...

mknod export_pipe p
compress  export_pipe  export_file.dmp.Z 
exp userid   file=export_pipe  log=export.log  table=(big_fat_table)
 compress=n

Try it. I hope it compress to less than 5G.




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If you can't export, can you do ctas (create table as select..) ?  Either
way it's going to take a long, long time...

Lisa Koivu
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Fairfield Resorts, Inc.
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 Hi Friends,
 
 I need to reorganize my big fat table sized 23Gb, I don't have much space 
 for export on my filesystem( I keep one or two filesystems ready for my 
 expansion each size 4Gb) in the same table I have more than 5Gb free 
 fragmented space, But I can't use it!! So what is best way to reorganize 
 this monster table??
 
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Re: Number of CPUs vs. Speed of CPUs

2002-04-18 Thread Paul Vallee

If pricing is a factor, and you're considering per-cpu pricing, then lean
towards fewer, faster CPUs.
I think Intel announced a 2Ghz processor this week... :-)

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We are in the process of sizing a new server for multiple Oracle instances.
What factors are useful as input in determining how many CPUs and the
relative speed of them?  For example, do we want fewer, faster CPUs or do we
want more, slower CPUs?  Are there any good guidelines to determine what the
number of CPUs should be?

Thanks in advance -
Lisa

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