RE: OT - interviewing your superior(fun question)
I don't usually read the OT posts but I glanced at this while deleting stuff. Apologies if anyone already supplied the correct quote. What Al Gore said was 'While in the Senate I played a major role in creating the internet'. Apparently he was a major sponsor a author of the bills that transformed arpanet into the more commercially oriented internet. I used to have links that traced the evolution of that entirely truthful quote to 'I invented the internet' but dropped most of them after the election. I could probably track them down again in the unlikely event anyone was interested :). I think it was Wired magazine that first used the word 'invented'. Jay Miller -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 11:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Yes, the statement is different, but just based on the words in the sentence. Playing a role in inventing!= inventing. Odd thing about words: they mean something. Hell, I play a role in the community on this listserv. I am certain Jared and Esteemed Company would make the semantic mistake of thinking I AM the community on this listserv. Unless, of course, I were in Florida, where votes don't count. G JUST KIDDING! God Bless the Appointed President, and the minority that voted for him! -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 6/21/2001 6:28 PM And this statement is ANY better??? I use Software that Powers the Internet therefore I guess I, in a way, run the darn thing. :) God bless the electoral college! Chuck Speaks, MCSE Database Administrator Lithonia Lighting 770-922-9000 x3450 http://www.lithonia.com -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 5:47 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L nope, he said I played a role in inventing the Internet -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 5:27 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I thought he invented the internet. Just ask him. The best line was I knew Jack Kennedy and You are no Jack Kennedy said by Loyd Benson to Dan Quayle. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/21/01 05:13PM :), actually if you parrot Gore, it would be I played a role in inventing certifications. The devil is in forgetting the details! -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gene Sais INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Speaks, Chuck W. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network
RE: OT - interviewing your superior(fun question)
Ross, it's not that votes don't count, it's that most of the people don't know how to follow instructions or ask for help! Besides, it's not the first election where something like that happened:) Kev -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 11:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Yes, the statement is different, but just based on the words in the sentence. Playing a role in inventing!= inventing. Odd thing about words: they mean something. Hell, I play a role in the community on this listserv. I am certain Jared and Esteemed Company would make the semantic mistake of thinking I AM the community on this listserv. Unless, of course, I were in Florida, where votes don't count. G JUST KIDDING! God Bless the Appointed President, and the minority that voted for him! -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 6/21/2001 6:28 PM And this statement is ANY better??? I use Software that Powers the Internet therefore I guess I, in a way, run the darn thing. :) God bless the electoral college! Chuck Speaks, MCSE Database Administrator Lithonia Lighting 770-922-9000 x3450 http://www.lithonia.com -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 5:47 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L nope, he said I played a role in inventing the Internet -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 5:27 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I thought he invented the internet. Just ask him. The best line was I knew Jack Kennedy and You are no Jack Kennedy said by Loyd Benson to Dan Quayle. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/21/01 05:13PM :), actually if you parrot Gore, it would be I played a role in inventing certifications. The devil is in forgetting the details! -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gene Sais INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Speaks, Chuck W. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kevin INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information
Re: OT - interviewing your superior(fun question)
On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 08:11:03AM -0800, Kevin wrote: Ross, it's not that votes don't count, it's that most of the people don't know how to follow instructions or ask for help! Besides, it's not the first election where something like that happened:) Kev -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 11:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Yes, the statement is different, but just based on the words in the sentence. Playing a role in inventing!= inventing. Odd thing about words: they mean something. That depends on what the definition of is is. === Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED] (540) 231-4109 KE4TJC28^D -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ray Stell INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT - interviewing your superior(fun question)
Ray, have you been not inhaling again? ;-) -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 1:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 08:11:03AM -0800, Kevin wrote: Ross, it's not that votes don't count, it's that most of the people don't know how to follow instructions or ask for help! Besides, it's not the first election where something like that happened:) Kev -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 11:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Yes, the statement is different, but just based on the words in the sentence. Playing a role in inventing!= inventing. Odd thing about words: they mean something. That depends on what the definition of is is. === Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED] (540) 231-4109 KE4TJC28^D -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ray Stell INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT - interviewing your superior(fun question)
How about: Are you ISO9000 certified? : ) Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Daniel Curry [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 8:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: OT - interviewing your superior(fun question) I like the other fun question that was sent to me privately. What makes you better qualified than me, to do my job? Daniel Curry Systems Administrator CGtime, Inc. 625 Second Street Suite 201 San Francisco, CA 94107 ph: 415-348-6516 fx: 415-348-6505 cell: 510-304-7889 -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 3:56 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:Re: OT - interviewing your superior(fun question) Ok i'll throw one in for fun: Are you willing to give me a 25% pay increase every year regardless of state of the company? Joe Daniel Curry wrote: I am in a position to interview candidates who will ultimately be my boss. I am the net admin in a mixed Unix/Win/Linux environment, with Oracle databases, but no DBA (very simple databases). My question is for 'example' questions to ask these guys to get a full grasp of their management styles, political abilities, technical competencies, etc. Any suggestions would be useful. Thanks. Daniel Curry Systems Administrator CGtime, Inc. 625 Second Street -- Joe Testa http://www.oracle-dba.com Performing Remote DBA Services, need some backup DBA support? For Sale: Oracle-dba.com domain, its not going cheap but feel free to ask :) -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Joseph S. Testa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Daniel Curry INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT - interviewing your superior(fun question)
Or just - are you certified? :) -Original Message- Patrice J Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 12:36 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L How about: Are you ISO9000 certified? : ) Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Daniel Curry [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 8:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: OT - interviewing your superior(fun question) I like the other fun question that was sent to me privately. What makes you better qualified than me, to do my job? Daniel Curry Systems Administrator CGtime, Inc. 625 Second Street Suite 201 San Francisco, CA 94107 ph: 415-348-6516 fx: 415-348-6505 cell: 510-304-7889 -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 3:56 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:Re: OT - interviewing your superior(fun question) Ok i'll throw one in for fun: Are you willing to give me a 25% pay increase every year regardless of state of the company? Joe Daniel Curry wrote: I am in a position to interview candidates who will ultimately be my boss. I am the net admin in a mixed Unix/Win/Linux environment, with Oracle databases, but no DBA (very simple databases). My question is for 'example' questions to ask these guys to get a full grasp of their management styles, political abilities, technical competencies, etc. Any suggestions would be useful. Thanks. Daniel Curry Systems Administrator CGtime, Inc. 625 Second Street -- Joe Testa http://www.oracle-dba.com Performing Remote DBA Services, need some backup DBA support? For Sale: Oracle-dba.com domain, its not going cheap but feel free to ask :) -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Joseph S. Testa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Daniel Curry INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mark Leith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru
RE: OT - interviewing your superior(fun question)
ISO9000 because it will tell you whether the shop is methodical or not. Whether there are expected consistent deliverables or not. At the same time, because ISO certification is a double-edged sword, you will find out whether the manager is an empire builder, and whether they implemented ISO properly there. In some places ISO is just a huge paperwork exercise, à la Dilbert. In other places ISO certification can be used to prevent narcissistic careerist empire builders from circumventing company policies re. staffing allotments, resource distribution within departments, and whether the staff there is qualified to do their jobs or not. ISO can also be use to prevent overlaps in responsibility, and it can force managers to really take responsibility for their departments to walk the talk so to speak. Before I reincarnated as an Oracle DBA I worked in a pharmaceutical company's audit department and one manager absolutely refused to be specific about what each of his staff people's responsibilities were. He wanted to peg problems on any of them, from day to day, and not leave a record, so that if there ever was a problem he could delegate accountability to his subordinates. The euphemism for this sort of thing is a team player - when you see that on job postings, be wary. Anyway, I'm cutting down on the e-mails now. That should be a relief to some list members. Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Mark Leith [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 10:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: OT - interviewing your superior(fun question) Or just - are you certified? :) -Original Message- Patrice J Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 12:36 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L How about: Are you ISO9000 certified? : ) Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Daniel Curry [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 8:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: OT - interviewing your superior(fun question) I like the other fun question that was sent to me privately. What makes you better qualified than me, to do my job? Daniel Curry Systems Administrator CGtime, Inc. 625 Second Street Suite 201 San Francisco, CA 94107 ph: 415-348-6516 fx: 415-348-6505 cell: 510-304-7889 -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 3:56 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:Re: OT - interviewing your superior(fun question) Ok i'll throw one in for fun: Are you willing to give me a 25% pay increase every year regardless of state of the company? Joe Daniel Curry wrote: I am in a position to interview candidates who will ultimately be my boss. I am the net admin in a mixed Unix/Win/Linux environment, with Oracle databases, but no DBA (very simple databases). My question is for 'example' questions to ask these guys to get a full grasp of their management styles, political abilities, technical competencies, etc. Any suggestions would be useful. Thanks. Daniel Curry Systems Administrator CGtime, Inc. 625 Second Street -- Joe Testa http://www.oracle-dba.com Performing Remote DBA Services, need some backup DBA support? For Sale: Oracle-dba.com domain, its not going cheap but feel free to ask :) -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com
RE: OT - interviewing your superior(fun question)
The way I see the ISO900x stuff is this. If you say I kick every box before I ship it to a customer, and you do just that consistency. You are a ISO900x perfect company. Although consistency is extremely important, so isn't efficiency, credibility, as well as many other big words. Walking on water and developing software from a specification are easy if both are frozen. Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Fuelspot -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 11:02 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L ISO9000 because it will tell you whether the shop is methodical or not. Whether there are expected consistent deliverables or not. At the same time, because ISO certification is a double-edged sword, you will find out whether the manager is an empire builder, and whether they implemented ISO properly there. In some places ISO is just a huge paperwork exercise, à la Dilbert. In other places ISO certification can be used to prevent narcissistic careerist empire builders from circumventing company policies re. staffing allotments, resource distribution within departments, and whether the staff there is qualified to do their jobs or not. ISO can also be use to prevent overlaps in responsibility, and it can force managers to really take responsibility for their departments to walk the talk so to speak. Before I reincarnated as an Oracle DBA I worked in a pharmaceutical company's audit department and one manager absolutely refused to be specific about what each of his staff people's responsibilities were. He wanted to peg problems on any of them, from day to day, and not leave a record, so that if there ever was a problem he could delegate accountability to his subordinates. The euphemism for this sort of thing is a team player - when you see that on job postings, be wary. Anyway, I'm cutting down on the e-mails now. That should be a relief to some list members. Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Mark Leith [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 10:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: OT - interviewing your superior(fun question) Or just - are you certified? :) -Original Message- Patrice J Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 12:36 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L How about: Are you ISO9000 certified? : ) Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Daniel Curry [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 8:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: OT - interviewing your superior(fun question) I like the other fun question that was sent to me privately. What makes you better qualified than me, to do my job? Daniel Curry Systems Administrator CGtime, Inc. 625 Second Street Suite 201 San Francisco, CA 94107 ph: 415-348-6516 fx: 415-348-6505 cell: 510-304-7889 -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 3:56 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:Re: OT - interviewing your superior(fun question) Ok i'll throw one in for fun: Are you willing to give me a 25% pay increase every year regardless of state of the company? Joe Daniel Curry wrote: I am in a position to interview candidates who will ultimately be my boss. I am the net admin in a mixed Unix/Win/Linux environment, with Oracle databases, but no DBA (very simple databases). My question is for 'example' questions to ask these guys to get a full grasp of their management styles, political abilities, technical competencies, etc. Any suggestions would be useful
RE: OT - interviewing your superior(fun question)
Title: RE: OT - interviewing your superior(fun question) Interesting post Patrice. Thanks for sharing this. -Original Message- From: Boivin, Patrice J [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 11:02 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: OT - interviewing your superior(fun question) ISO9000 because it will tell you whether the shop is methodical or not. Whether there are expected consistent deliverables or not. At the same time, because ISO certification is a double-edged sword, you will find out whether the manager is an empire builder, and whether they implemented ISO properly there. In some places ISO is just a huge paperwork exercise, à la Dilbert. In other places ISO certification can be used to prevent narcissistic careerist empire builders from circumventing company policies re. staffing allotments, resource distribution within departments, and whether the staff there is qualified to do their jobs or not. ISO can also be use to prevent overlaps in responsibility, and it can force managers to really take responsibility for their departments to walk the talk so to speak. Before I reincarnated as an Oracle DBA I worked in a pharmaceutical company's audit department and one manager absolutely refused to be specific about what each of his staff people's responsibilities were. He wanted to peg problems on any of them, from day to day, and not leave a record, so that if there ever was a problem he could delegate accountability to his subordinates. The euphemism for this sort of thing is a team player - when you see that on job postings, be wary. Anyway, I'm cutting down on the e-mails now. That should be a relief to some list members. Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services | Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Mark Leith [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 10:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: OT - interviewing your superior(fun question) Or just - are you certified? :) -Original Message- Patrice J Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 12:36 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L How about: Are you ISO9000 certified? : ) Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services | Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Daniel Curry [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 8:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: OT - interviewing your superior(fun question) I like the other fun question that was sent to me privately. What makes you better qualified than me, to do my job? Daniel Curry Systems Administrator CGtime, Inc. 625 Second Street Suite 201 San Francisco, CA 94107 ph: 415-348-6516 fx: 415-348-6505 cell: 510-304-7889 -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 3:56 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: OT - interviewing your superior(fun question) Ok i'll throw one in for fun: Are you willing to give me a 25% pay increase every year regardless of state of the company? Joe Daniel Curry wrote: I am in a position to interview candidates who will ultimately be my boss. I am the net admin in a mixed Unix/Win/Linux environment, with Oracle databases, but no DBA (very simple databases). My question is for 'example' questions to ask these guys to get a full grasp of their management styles, political abilities, technical competencies, etc. Any suggestions would be useful. Thanks. Daniel Curry Systems Administrator CGtime, Inc. 625 Second Street -- Joe Testa http://www.oracle-dba.com Performing Remote DBA Services, need some backup DBA support? For Sale: Oracle-dba.com domain, its not going cheap but feel free to ask :) -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Joseph S. Testa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like
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Ahh, but in ISO9000 land, you need to fill the paper-work out to prove that you have kicked every box before you shipped it like you said you would, and then ask the customer if they can attest to the fact that you have kicked the box. what this has to do with delivering the product is quite interesting. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 11:26 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L The way I see the ISO900x stuff is this. If you say I kick every box before I ship it to a customer, and you do just that consistency. You are a ISO900x perfect company. Although consistency is extremely important, so isn't efficiency, credibility, as well as many other big words. Walking on water and developing software from a specification are easy if both are frozen. Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Fuelspot -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 11:02 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L ISO9000 because it will tell you whether the shop is methodical or not. Whether there are expected consistent deliverables or not. At the same time, because ISO certification is a double-edged sword, you will find out whether the manager is an empire builder, and whether they implemented ISO properly there. In some places ISO is just a huge paperwork exercise, à la Dilbert. In other places ISO certification can be used to prevent narcissistic careerist empire builders from circumventing company policies re. staffing allotments, resource distribution within departments, and whether the staff there is qualified to do their jobs or not. ISO can also be use to prevent overlaps in responsibility, and it can force managers to really take responsibility for their departments to walk the talk so to speak. Before I reincarnated as an Oracle DBA I worked in a pharmaceutical company's audit department and one manager absolutely refused to be specific about what each of his staff people's responsibilities were. He wanted to peg problems on any of them, from day to day, and not leave a record, so that if there ever was a problem he could delegate accountability to his subordinates. The euphemism for this sort of thing is a team player - when you see that on job postings, be wary. Anyway, I'm cutting down on the e-mails now. That should be a relief to some list members. Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Mark Leith [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 10:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: OT - interviewing your superior(fun question) Or just - are you certified? :) -Original Message- Patrice J Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 12:36 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L How about: Are you ISO9000 certified? : ) Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Daniel Curry [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 8:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: OT - interviewing your superior(fun question) I like the other fun question that was sent to me privately. What makes you better qualified than me, to do my job? Daniel Curry Systems Administrator CGtime, Inc. 625 Second Street Suite 201 San Francisco, CA 94107 ph: 415-348-6516 fx: 415-348-6505 cell: 510-304-7889 -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 3:56 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:Re: OT - interviewing your superior(fun question) Ok i'll throw one in for fun: Are you willing to give me a 25% pay increase every year regardless of state of the company? Joe Daniel Curry wrote: I am in a position to interview candidates who will ultimately be my boss
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ISO9000 also proves another thing even if you are not technically competent, you can write big documents that no one will ever want to read. Happened to me at 2 companies that became iso9000 compliant ... HTH Raj __ Rajendra Jamadagni MIS, ESPN Inc. Rajendra dot Jamadagni at ESPN dot com Any opinion expressed here is personal and doesn't reflect that of ESPN Inc. QOTD: Any clod can have facts, but having an opinion is an art ! *2 This e-mail message is confidential, intended only for the named recipient(s) above and may contain information that is privileged, attorney work product or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received this message in error, or are not the named recipient(s), please immediately notify corporate MIS at (860) 766-2000 and delete this e-mail message from your computer, Thank you. *2 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jamadagni, Rajendra INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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I did say it was a double-edged sword... : ) Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- From: Jamadagni, Rajendra [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 1:07 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: OT - interviewing your superior (fun question) ISO9000 also proves another thing even if you are not technically competent, you can write big documents that no one will ever want to read. Happened to me at 2 companies that became iso9000 compliant ... HTH Raj __ Rajendra Jamadagni MIS, ESPN Inc. Rajendra dot Jamadagni at ESPN dot com Any opinion expressed here is personal and doesn't reflect that of ESPN Inc. QOTD: Any clod can have facts, but having an opinion is an art ! *2 This e-mail message is confidential, intended only for the named recipient(s) above and may contain information that is privileged, attorney work product or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received this message in error, or are not the named recipient(s), please immediately notify corporate MIS at (860) 766-2000 and delete this e-mail message from your computer, Thank you. *2 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jamadagni, Rajendra INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Then they wouldn't be ISO9001 certified, where design comes into play. If kicking boxes doesn't do much, why is it in the process and get rid of it. If kicking the boxes helps verify that packing procedures do protect the product well, then incorporate it into audit procedures. No need to do it for every box, though, a few per batch should be enough to get reliable stats. ISO9002 just covers consistent delivery and being able to track where problems occur so you can fix them, does it not? I was actually working on GLP (Good Laboratory Practice) standards, which is a bit different, but it was interesting to see people's reaction, depending on whether they were organized or not to begin with. Some people saw it as a positive thing, other not, most people just saw it as part of the work environment because they were, after all, trying to get FDA approval for something. I believe these things work best in areas where processes don't change often, like manufacturing. For research departments, forget about trying to document standardized procedures because people don't know what they will do from one day to the next, each day's results drive the next day's work. Also every few months, once a project is finished, they start another project which may have almost nothing to do with what they were doing before. Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- From: Mercadante, Thomas F [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 1:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: OT - interviewing your superior(fun question) Ahh, but in ISO9000 land, you need to fill the paper-work out to prove that you have kicked every box before you shipped it like you said you would, and then ask the customer if they can attest to the fact that you have kicked the box. what this has to do with delivering the product is quite interesting. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 11:26 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L The way I see the ISO900x stuff is this. If you say I kick every box before I ship it to a customer, and you do just that consistency. You are a ISO900x perfect company. Although consistency is extremely important, so isn't efficiency, credibility, as well as many other big words. Walking on water and developing software from a specification are easy if both are frozen. Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Fuelspot -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 11:02 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L ISO9000 because it will tell you whether the shop is methodical or not. Whether there are expected consistent deliverables or not. At the same time, because ISO certification is a double-edged sword, you will find out whether the manager is an empire builder, and whether they implemented ISO properly there. In some places ISO is just a huge paperwork exercise, à la Dilbert. In other places ISO certification can be used to prevent narcissistic careerist empire builders from circumventing company policies re. staffing allotments, resource distribution within departments, and whether the staff there is qualified to do their jobs or not. ISO can also be use to prevent overlaps in responsibility, and it can force managers to really take responsibility for their departments to walk the talk so to speak. Before I reincarnated as an Oracle DBA I worked in a pharmaceutical company's audit department and one manager absolutely refused to be specific about what each of his staff people's responsibilities were. He wanted to peg problems on any of them, from day to day, and not leave a record, so that if there ever was a problem he could delegate accountability to his subordinates. The euphemism for this sort of thing is a team player - when you see that on job postings, be wary. Anyway, I'm cutting down on the e-mails now. That should be a relief to some list members. Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Mark Leith [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 10:45 AM To: Multiple
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A Dilbert cartoon had a scene where they were talking to the customer and said that since we are ISO9000 certified, here is where the documentation said we were to laugh in your face for believing what we told you. The customer said good, we will take it since you follow your ISO9000 documentation. -Original Message- From: Christopher Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 11:26 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: OT - interviewing your superior(fun question) The way I see the ISO900x stuff is this. If you say I kick every box before I ship it to a customer, and you do just that consistency. You are a ISO900x perfect company. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Page, Bruce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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I agree GLP works best in a manufacturing/production lab. However even research labs can use GLP. It's a matter of how you go about your individual lab procedures. Yes, you do different procedures each day, but each day there is proper handling of reagents, cleaning of equipment, and running of standardized documented laboratory test procedures. These can all be part of the ISO process. If you are developing NEW procedures you need to methodically document each step so that it is reproducible by someone other than you. This thread has gone waaay off topic, however the principles mentioned above are also applicable to DBA and development work WRT new procedures and methodical documentation. Rodd Holman Original Message On 6/21/01, 12:30:31 PM, Boivin, Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding RE: OT - interviewing your superior(fun question): ... I believe these things work best in areas where processes don't change often, like manufacturing. For research departments, forget about trying to document standardized procedures because people don't know what they will do from one day to the next, each day's results drive the next day's work. Also every few months, once a project is finished, they start another project which may have almost nothing to do with what they were doing before. Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rodd Holman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Or certifiable. Mark Leith wrote: Or just - are you certified? :) -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Terry Ball INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Or dubya would say ... certificativity ... g __ Rajendra Jamadagni MIS, ESPN Inc. Rajendra dot Jamadagni at ESPN dot com Any opinion expressed here is personal and doesn't reflect that of ESPN Inc. QOTD: Any clod can have facts, but having an opinion is an art ! -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 2:21 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Or certifiable. Mark Leith wrote: Or just - are you certified? :) *1 This e-mail message is confidential, intended only for the named recipient(s) above and may contain information that is privileged, attorney work product or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received this message in error, or are not the named recipient(s), please immediately notify corporate MIS at (860) 766-2000 and delete this e-mail message from your computer, Thank you. *1 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jamadagni, Rajendra INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2001,Terry Ball scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: -Or certifiable. i resemble that remark!;-) -- Bill Shrek Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~ You gotta program like you don't need the money, You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, You gotta run like there's nobody watching, It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work. ~~ Don't diddle code to make it faster; find a better algorithm. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Or as Gore would say...I invented certifications Chuck Speaks, MCSE Database Administrator Lithonia Lighting 770-922-9000 x3450 http://www.lithonia.com -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 2:44 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Or dubya would say ... certificativity ... g __ Rajendra Jamadagni MIS, ESPN Inc. Rajendra dot Jamadagni at ESPN dot com Any opinion expressed here is personal and doesn't reflect that of ESPN Inc. QOTD: Any clod can have facts, but having an opinion is an art ! -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 2:21 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Or certifiable. Mark Leith wrote: Or just - are you certified? :) *1 This e-mail message is confidential, intended only for the named recipient(s) above and may contain information that is privileged, attorney work product or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received this message in error, or are not the named recipient(s), please immediately notify corporate MIS at (860) 766-2000 and delete this e-mail message from your computer, Thank you. *1 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jamadagni, Rajendra INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Speaks, Chuck W. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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:), actually if you parrot Gore, it would be I played a role in inventing certifications. The devil is in forgetting the details! -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 4:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Or as Gore would say...I invented certifications Chuck Speaks, MCSE Database Administrator Lithonia Lighting 770-922-9000 x3450 http://www.lithonia.com -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 2:44 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Or dubya would say ... certificativity ... g __ Rajendra Jamadagni MIS, ESPN Inc. Rajendra dot Jamadagni at ESPN dot com Any opinion expressed here is personal and doesn't reflect that of ESPN Inc. QOTD: Any clod can have facts, but having an opinion is an art ! -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 2:21 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Or certifiable. Mark Leith wrote: Or just - are you certified? :) *1 This e-mail message is confidential, intended only for the named recipient(s) above and may contain information that is privileged, attorney work product or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received this message in error, or are not the named recipient(s), please immediately notify corporate MIS at (860) 766-2000 and delete this e-mail message from your computer, Thank you. *1 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jamadagni, Rajendra INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Speaks, Chuck W. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT - interviewing your superior(fun question)
I thought he invented the internet. Just ask him. The best line was I knew Jack Kennedy and You are no Jack Kennedy said by Loyd Benson to Dan Quayle. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/21/01 05:13PM :), actually if you parrot Gore, it would be I played a role in inventing certifications. The devil is in forgetting the details! -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gene Sais INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT - interviewing your superior(fun question)
nope, he said I played a role in inventing the Internet -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 5:27 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I thought he invented the internet. Just ask him. The best line was I knew Jack Kennedy and You are no Jack Kennedy said by Loyd Benson to Dan Quayle. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/21/01 05:13PM :), actually if you parrot Gore, it would be I played a role in inventing certifications. The devil is in forgetting the details! -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gene Sais INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT - interviewing your superior(fun question)
Maybe he was one of the first users or he knows someone that used it or he saw it being used or he heard that it was used or invented!! -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 5:47 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L nope, he said I played a role in inventing the Internet -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 5:27 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I thought he invented the internet. Just ask him. The best line was I knew Jack Kennedy and You are no Jack Kennedy said by Loyd Benson to Dan Quayle. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/21/01 05:13PM :), actually if you parrot Gore, it would be I played a role in inventing certifications. The devil is in forgetting the details! -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gene Sais INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kevin Kostyszyn INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT - interviewing your superior(fun question)
He also included something like "in the Congress" in his statement, so it was pretty clear he was speaking about providing political support as opposed to technological innovation. If you read the transcript there's not much confusion. But it does make for some good jokes. Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/21/01 05:46PM nope, he said"I played a role in inventing the Internet"-Original Message-Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 5:27 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LI thought he invented the internet. Just ask him. The best line was "Iknew Jack Kennedy and You are no Jack Kennedy" said by Loyd Benson to DanQuayle. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/21/01 05:13PM :), actually if you parrot Gore, it would be"I played a role in inventing certifications".The devil is in forgetting the details!-- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com-- Author: Gene Sais INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing ListsTo REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail messageto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and inthe message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You mayalso send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).-- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com-- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing ListsTo REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail messageto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and inthe message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You mayalso send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT - interviewing your superior(fun question)
And this statement is ANY better??? I use Software that Powers the Internet therefore I guess I, in a way, run the darn thing. :) God bless the electoral college! Chuck Speaks, MCSE Database Administrator Lithonia Lighting 770-922-9000 x3450 http://www.lithonia.com -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 5:47 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L nope, he said I played a role in inventing the Internet -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 5:27 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I thought he invented the internet. Just ask him. The best line was I knew Jack Kennedy and You are no Jack Kennedy said by Loyd Benson to Dan Quayle. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/21/01 05:13PM :), actually if you parrot Gore, it would be I played a role in inventing certifications. The devil is in forgetting the details! -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gene Sais INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Speaks, Chuck W. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT - interviewing your superior(fun question)
Let's not get carried away, here, Jim. Even if he said something perfectly reasonable in context, you can't deny people the right to obscure his words in a damaging way. That just wouldn't be right! It's like: "I opened a socket, but didn't accept any packets" from the networking class that Bill Clinton taught. hehhehheh -Original Message-From: Jim Conboy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 6:23 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: OT - interviewing your superior(fun question) He also included something like "in the Congress" in his statement, so it was pretty clear he was speaking about providing political support as opposed to technological innovation. If you read the transcript there's not much confusion. But it does make for some good jokes. Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/21/01 05:46PM nope, he said"I played a role in inventing the Internet"-Original Message-Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 5:27 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LI thought he invented the internet. Just ask him. The best line was "Iknew Jack Kennedy and You are no Jack Kennedy" said by Loyd Benson to DanQuayle. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/21/01 05:13PM :), actually if you parrot Gore, it would be"I played a role in inventing certifications".The devil is in forgetting the details!-- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com-- Author: Gene Sais INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing ListsTo REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail messageto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and inthe message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You mayalso send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).-- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com-- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing ListsTo REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail messageto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and inthe message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You mayalso send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT - interviewing your superior(fun question)
Yes, the statement is different, but just based on the words in the sentence. Playing a role in inventing!= inventing. Odd thing about words: they mean something. Hell, I play a role in the community on this listserv. I am certain Jared and Esteemed Company would make the semantic mistake of thinking I AM the community on this listserv. Unless, of course, I were in Florida, where votes don't count. G JUST KIDDING! God Bless the Appointed President, and the minority that voted for him! -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 6/21/2001 6:28 PM And this statement is ANY better??? I use Software that Powers the Internet therefore I guess I, in a way, run the darn thing. :) God bless the electoral college! Chuck Speaks, MCSE Database Administrator Lithonia Lighting 770-922-9000 x3450 http://www.lithonia.com -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 5:47 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L nope, he said I played a role in inventing the Internet -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 5:27 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I thought he invented the internet. Just ask him. The best line was I knew Jack Kennedy and You are no Jack Kennedy said by Loyd Benson to Dan Quayle. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/21/01 05:13PM :), actually if you parrot Gore, it would be I played a role in inventing certifications. The devil is in forgetting the details! -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gene Sais INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Speaks, Chuck W. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: OT - interviewing your superior(fun question)
Ok i'll throw one in for fun: Are you willing to give me a 25% pay increase every year regardless of state of the company? Joe Daniel Curry wrote: I am in a position to interview candidates who will ultimately be my boss. I am the net admin in a mixed Unix/Win/Linux environment, with Oracle databases, but no DBA (very simple databases). My question is for 'example' questions to ask these guys to get a full grasp of their management styles, political abilities, technical competencies, etc. Any suggestions would be useful. Thanks. Daniel Curry Systems Administrator CGtime, Inc. 625 Second Street -- Joe Testa http://www.oracle-dba.com Performing Remote DBA Services, need some backup DBA support? For Sale: Oracle-dba.com domain, its not going cheap but feel free to ask :) -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Joseph S. Testa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT - interviewing your superior(fun question)
I like the other fun question that was sent to me privately. What makes you better qualified than me, to do my job? Daniel Curry Systems Administrator CGtime, Inc. 625 Second Street Suite 201 San Francisco, CA 94107 ph: 415-348-6516 fx: 415-348-6505 cell: 510-304-7889 -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 3:56 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:Re: OT - interviewing your superior(fun question) Ok i'll throw one in for fun: Are you willing to give me a 25% pay increase every year regardless of state of the company? Joe Daniel Curry wrote: I am in a position to interview candidates who will ultimately be my boss. I am the net admin in a mixed Unix/Win/Linux environment, with Oracle databases, but no DBA (very simple databases). My question is for 'example' questions to ask these guys to get a full grasp of their management styles, political abilities, technical competencies, etc. Any suggestions would be useful. Thanks. Daniel Curry Systems Administrator CGtime, Inc. 625 Second Street -- Joe Testa http://www.oracle-dba.com Performing Remote DBA Services, need some backup DBA support? For Sale: Oracle-dba.com domain, its not going cheap but feel free to ask :) -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Joseph S. Testa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Daniel Curry INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
