RE: MySQL in the future?
Okay, I figured the time had come to stop speculating about MySQL's licensing policy and get the answer straight from the horse's mouth, as it were. So I contacted MySQL and posed a couple of scenarios to them. Here's my questions and their responses (my stuff is the quoted part): in all of these examples, a non-GPLed application is being described: 1) A web-based application for an internal or external audience running with mysql as the backend only? If it is a web-based application that will be created and distributed, a license is required. If it is an internally built and internally used application running on one server, a commercial license is not required (more then one installation requires a license for each - it will be considered internal distribution). 2) A compiled win32 application installed on employee desktops that connects to a centralized mysql database for running queries? As long as the database is not installed on each individual machine, only one license is required (unless it is an internally built application running on one server - it could be used for free). 3) A compiled win32 application that installs mysql locally on the user's machine? A license would be required for each installation, it would be considered internal distribution. 4) A web-based application where mysql has been distributed to a number of database servers and is running on those database servers? The confusion seems to center around the word distribute. What constitutes distribution of MySQL? Thanks very much for your help. Distribution for MySQL would mean more than one copy installed in a production environment, either internally or externally. Also note that if an end user used MySQL with a 3rd party commercial application, a non-GPL commercial license of MySQL is required. So, that clears some things up for me, but this licensing policy does seem unnecessarily confusing. Thanks, Matt -- Matthew Zito GridApp Systems Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 646-220-3551 Phone: 212-358-8211 x 359 http://www.gridapp.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jacques Kilchoer Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 10:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: MySQL in the future? I'm glad I'm not a lawyer. What does distribute internally mean? I work for company X and write an application to use a MySQL database. I take the zip file I downloaded from MySQL and install it to another server, and now two sets of people are using the database on different machines with the same application. Does that mean I distributed it internally? -Original Message- From: Matthew Zito [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] But its not that clear, though - look at this part: As long as you never distribute (internally or externally) the MySQL Software in any way, you are free to use it for powering your application, irrespective of whether your application is under GPL or other OSI approved license or not. So, I would interpret that as saying that if you wrote a web application or a win32 application that just connects to a centrally located mysql database and runs queries, no need to GPL your software. If your app comes with an installer that installs the app as well as mysql, its gotta be GPL or you have to purchase a commercial license. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jacques Kilchoer INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Matthew Zito INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: MySQL in the future?
Thanks for the clearing that up. Did you happen to get a qoute as well? :) Just curious, does MySQL also uses CPU based and named users license? or it is just per server? -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 1:12 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Okay, I figured the time had come to stop speculating about MySQL's licensing policy and get the answer straight from the horse's mouth, as it were. So I contacted MySQL and posed a couple of scenarios to them. Here's my questions and their responses (my stuff is the quoted part): in all of these examples, a non-GPLed application is being described: 1) A web-based application for an internal or external audience running with mysql as the backend only? If it is a web-based application that will be created and distributed, a license is required. If it is an internally built and internally used application running on one server, a commercial license is not required (more then one installation requires a license for each - it will be considered internal distribution). 2) A compiled win32 application installed on employee desktops that connects to a centralized mysql database for running queries? As long as the database is not installed on each individual machine, only one license is required (unless it is an internally built application running on one server - it could be used for free). 3) A compiled win32 application that installs mysql locally on the user's machine? A license would be required for each installation, it would be considered internal distribution. 4) A web-based application where mysql has been distributed to a number of database servers and is running on those database servers? The confusion seems to center around the word distribute. What constitutes distribution of MySQL? Thanks very much for your help. Distribution for MySQL would mean more than one copy installed in a production environment, either internally or externally. Also note that if an end user used MySQL with a 3rd party commercial application, a non-GPL commercial license of MySQL is required. So, that clears some things up for me, but this licensing policy does seem unnecessarily confusing. Thanks, Matt -- Matthew Zito GridApp Systems Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 646-220-3551 Phone: 212-358-8211 x 359 http://www.gridapp.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jacques Kilchoer Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 10:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: MySQL in the future? I'm glad I'm not a lawyer. What does distribute internally mean? I work for company X and write an application to use a MySQL database. I take the zip file I downloaded from MySQL and install it to another server, and now two sets of people are using the database on different machines with the same application. Does that mean I distributed it internally? -Original Message- From: Matthew Zito [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] But its not that clear, though - look at this part: As long as you never distribute (internally or externally) the MySQL Software in any way, you are free to use it for powering your application, irrespective of whether your application is under GPL or other OSI approved license or not. So, I would interpret that as saying that if you wrote a web application or a win32 application that just connects to a centrally located mysql database and runs queries, no need to GPL your software. If your app comes with an installer that installs the app as well as mysql, its gotta be GPL or you have to purchase a commercial license. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jacques Kilchoer INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Matthew Zito INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing
RE: MySQL in the future?
Thank you for the research. When they say Distribution for MySQL would mean more than one copy installed in a production environment, by production environment, they must mean a business. For example I can use MySQL on my home computer to keep track of my record collection, and I can also recreate the same database on my wife's computer so that she can keep track of her CDs, all for free. (I don't expect you to answer that! If I want to know for sure I can always ask MYSQL.) -Original Message- From: Matthew Zito [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I figured the time had come to stop speculating about MySQL's licensing policy and get the answer straight from the horse's mouth, as it were. So I contacted MySQL and posed a couple of scenarios to them. Here's my questions and their responses (my stuff is the quoted part): in all of these examples, a non-GPLed application is being described: 1) A web-based application for an internal or external audience running with mysql as the backend only? If it is a web-based application that will be created and distributed, a license is required. If it is an internally built and internally used application running on one server, a commercial license is not required (more then one installation requires a license for each - it will be considered internal distribution). 2) A compiled win32 application installed on employee desktops that connects to a centralized mysql database for running queries? As long as the database is not installed on each individual machine, only one license is required (unless it is an internally built application running on one server - it could be used for free). 3) A compiled win32 application that installs mysql locally on the user's machine? A license would be required for each installation, it would be considered internal distribution. 4) A web-based application where mysql has been distributed to a number of database servers and is running on those database servers? The confusion seems to center around the word distribute. What constitutes distribution of MySQL? Thanks very much for your help. Distribution for MySQL would mean more than one copy installed in a production environment, either internally or externally. Also note that if an end user used MySQL with a 3rd party commercial application, a non-GPL commercial license of MySQL is required. So, that clears some things up for me, but this licensing policy does seem unnecessarily confusing. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jacques Kilchoer INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: MySQL in the future?
Jacques, Based on what Matt sent, I'd say your in violation of their license. You've distributed it internally. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 4:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Thank you for the research. When they say Distribution for MySQL would mean more than one copy installed in a production environment, by production environment, they must mean a business. For example I can use MySQL on my home computer to keep track of my record collection, and I can also recreate the same database on my wife's computer so that she can keep track of her CDs, all for free. (I don't expect you to answer that! If I want to know for sure I can always ask MYSQL.) -Original Message- From: Matthew Zito [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I figured the time had come to stop speculating about MySQL's licensing policy and get the answer straight from the horse's mouth, as it were. So I contacted MySQL and posed a couple of scenarios to them. Here's my questions and their responses (my stuff is the quoted part): in all of these examples, a non-GPLed application is being described: 1) A web-based application for an internal or external audience running with mysql as the backend only? If it is a web-based application that will be created and distributed, a license is required. If it is an internally built and internally used application running on one server, a commercial license is not required (more then one installation requires a license for each - it will be considered internal distribution). 2) A compiled win32 application installed on employee desktops that connects to a centralized mysql database for running queries? As long as the database is not installed on each individual machine, only one license is required (unless it is an internally built application running on one server - it could be used for free). 3) A compiled win32 application that installs mysql locally on the user's machine? A license would be required for each installation, it would be considered internal distribution. 4) A web-based application where mysql has been distributed to a number of database servers and is running on those database servers? The confusion seems to center around the word distribute. What constitutes distribution of MySQL? Thanks very much for your help. Distribution for MySQL would mean more than one copy installed in a production environment, either internally or externally. Also note that if an end user used MySQL with a 3rd party commercial application, a non-GPL commercial license of MySQL is required. So, that clears some things up for me, but this licensing policy does seem unnecessarily confusing. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jacques Kilchoer INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: MySQL in the future?
On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 09:10:39AM -0800, M Rafiq wrote: Tim, May be a an off-topic question to you or anybody who can answer. What is the best source / books to learn mysql quickest possible without too much cost to an individual? The online docs are good: http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/index.html For dead trees, these are good: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0735712123 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0596001452 Tim. I am asking this because in my recent job search I found couple of good companies are also using mysql. Regards Rafiq Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 06:09:39 -0800 On Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 01:30:17PM -0800, Gogala, Mladen wrote: Nope, it will not. Companies are still suspicious toward open source and if they cannot buy it, they will not use it. The most often quoted reason is support. http://www.mysql.com/support/index.html I have found their support consistently excellent. Tim. Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Phone:(203) 459-6855 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 3:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L WILL OPEN-SOURCE THREATEN ORACLE, IBM AND MS? | Internet News How big of a threat are open-source databases to software giants like Oracle, who hold most of the market and revenue share today? MySQL could be the biggest challenger to Oracle, and even Microsoft and IBM in the database market. MySQL is making inroads as a database alternative for small businesses or departmentally inside larger enterprises. Ultimately, the groundswell of support for MySQL could propel it on a Linux-like course to stardom as companies look to reduce TCO for databases. For the full details, click: http://www.internetnews.com/ent-news/article.php/2221901 Interesting article Is this the wave of the future for the small consultant?? If the CEO is smart he will start a certification program and release upgrades every 18 months. It keeps the revenue comming it. Ron -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Ron Rogers INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Tim Bunce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: M Rafiq INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other
RE: MySQL in the future?
I think we've all seen and are once again seeing a similar maneuver. Can you get MySql from mysql.org, sure but it's going to be left way in the dirt by MySql AB until their version is the only acceptable one out there. Course by then it probably will acquire a different name. and of course a higher price tag. Only the lawyers win!!! Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 11:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I'm glad I'm not a lawyer. What does distribute internally mean? I work for company X and write an application to use a MySQL database. I take the zip file I downloaded from MySQL and install it to another server, and now two sets of people are using the database on different machines with the same application. Does that mean I distributed it internally? -Original Message- From: Matthew Zito [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] But its not that clear, though - look at this part: As long as you never distribute (internally or externally) the MySQL Software in any way, you are free to use it for powering your application, irrespective of whether your application is under GPL or other OSI approved license or not. So, I would interpret that as saying that if you wrote a web application or a win32 application that just connects to a centrally located mysql database and runs queries, no need to GPL your software. If your app comes with an installer that installs the app as well as mysql, its gotta be GPL or you have to purchase a commercial license. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jacques Kilchoer INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Richard, Now this is interesting. When you enter www.mysql.org into your browser you get forwarded onto www.mysql.com. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 5:15 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dick, That's the commercial version your link points to which provides additional functionality like InnoDB. But you can get free MySQL from www.mysql.org. Richard -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Richard, Oh Contrare, if your using MySql for a commercial purpose then you owe MySql AB in Germany $475 US, at last look. Here's from their web site (http://www.mysql.com/products/licensing.html): MySQL Licensing Policy In Brief This is our licensing policy in brief: Our software is 100% GPL, and if yours is also 100% GPL (or OSI compliant), then you never have to pay us for the licences. In all other instances, you are better served by our commercial licence. Read the details below! Licensing MySQL software is licensed under the GPL license. The formal terms of the GPL license can be found in the GNU General Public License section of the MySQL Reference Manual. MySQL is also available under commercial non-GPL license. For pricing and ordering information, see our online store 1. Free use for those who are 100% GPL If your application is licensed under GPL or compatible OSI license approved by MySQL AB, you are free and welcome to ship any GPL software of MySQL AB with your application. By application we mean any type of software application, system, tool or utility. For doing this, you do not need a separate signed agreement with MySQL AB, because the GPL text is sufficient. But we do recommend you to be in touch with us as there usually are good opportunities for partnership and co-marketing. 2. Free use for those who never copy, modify or distribute As long as you never distribute (internally or externally) the MySQL Software in any way, you are free to use it for powering your application, irrespective of whether your application is under GPL or other OSI approved license or not. More specifically: Modifying - You are allowed to modify MySQL Software source code any way you like. If you distribute the modified version, all changes, all interface code and all code that connects directly or indirectly to the interface code fall under GPL. Copying - You are allowed to copy MySQL binaries and source code, but when you do so, the copies will fall under the GPL license. 3. Commercial use for everyone else If your application is not licensed under GPL or compatible OSI license approved by MySQL AB and you intend to distribute MySQL software (be that internally or externally), you must first obtain a commercial license to the MySQL software in question. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:20 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Yes, agreed. But out of all the MySql running out there, how many of them do you think people purchased support for? People run MySql just like Apache because it's free. And they get most of the support through internal mailing-list, groups etc. Richard -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 12:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Richard, I believe someone else here put the magic phrase on the subject. Support. MySql has a commercial company that you can buy support from, namely MySQL. PostGreSql use to have a vendor who would sell you a support contract, Great Bridge Software. Don't know what happen to them. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 12:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Glad to see another PostGresql like here. I always wonder why is MySql bigger than PostGreSql when it was inferior. My guess is that it was widely used as Web logging, site logging as an alternative to file based logging where people don't care much about transaction 'n such. Richard Ji -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 9:50 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Jesse, In the Open Source world I'm becoming a PostGreSql bigot. While there are a lot of folks out there using MySql I believe they acquired an inferior product. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 6:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I haven't really used either in-depth, but the features of PostrgeSQL http://advocacy.postgresql.org/advantages/ seem to be a lot closer to Enterprise than MySQL 4.x, IMHO. Then again, I'm an Oracle bigot -- for now. :) Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc,
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I say it's time to resurrect ndbm! We KNOW that one is free ... and it's already there in your OS utilities (if you are using the right OS). -Original Message- I think we've all seen and are once again seeing a similar maneuver. Can you get MySql from mysql.org, sure but it's going to be left way in the dirt by MySql AB until their version is the only acceptable one out there. Course by then it probably will acquire a different name. and of course a higher price tag. Only the lawyers win!!! -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephen Lee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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We've been using MySQL extensively for three years now and haven't seen any of this kind of behavior. In fact, MySQL AB has been very enjoyable to work with and we've been able to bend their ear to put features into MySQL that we'd like to have. And, as Tim Bunce says, we've found their support to be excellent. We pay a certain amount for licensing fees and support, but it's miniscule compared to the Oracle licenses we have to pay for. --Walt (an Oracle bigot, but pretty impressed with MySQL) Weaver Bozeman, Montana -Original Message- From: Goulet, Dick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 8:13 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: MySQL in the future? I think we've all seen and are once again seeing a similar maneuver. Can you get MySql from mysql.org, sure but it's going to be left way in the dirt by MySql AB until their version is the only acceptable one out there. Course by then it probably will acquire a different name. and of course a higher price tag. Only the lawyers win!!! Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 11:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I'm glad I'm not a lawyer. What does distribute internally mean? I work for company X and write an application to use a MySQL database. I take the zip file I downloaded from MySQL and install it to another server, and now two sets of people are using the database on different machines with the same application. Does that mean I distributed it internally? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Weaver, Walt INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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How can a honest DBA become a lawyer? It seems to me that technology has become dependent on lawyers. If AIX is stopped, it will be a disaster of biblical proportions which will seriously disrupt business. I believe that the future lies in litigation, not technology. As for MySQL, it has never been a favorite of mine. If I need an open source database, it seems to me that Postgres is the way to go. It supports transactions from the start and it also supports more or less classic SQL. Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Phone:(203) 459-6855 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 10:13 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I think we've all seen and are once again seeing a similar maneuver. Can you get MySql from mysql.org, sure but it's going to be left way in the dirt by MySql AB until their version is the only acceptable one out there. Course by then it probably will acquire a different name. and of course a higher price tag. Only the lawyers win!!! Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 11:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I'm glad I'm not a lawyer. What does distribute internally mean? I work for company X and write an application to use a MySQL database. I take the zip file I downloaded from MySQL and install it to another server, and now two sets of people are using the database on different machines with the same application. Does that mean I distributed it internally? -Original Message- From: Matthew Zito [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] But its not that clear, though - look at this part: As long as you never distribute (internally or externally) the MySQL Software in any way, you are free to use it for powering your application, irrespective of whether your application is under GPL or other OSI approved license or not. So, I would interpret that as saying that if you wrote a web application or a win32 application that just connects to a centrally located mysql database and runs queries, no need to GPL your software. If your app comes with an installer that installs the app as well as mysql, its gotta be GPL or you have to purchase a commercial license. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jacques Kilchoer INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Tim, Thanks Regards Rafiq Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 02:24:39 -0800 On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 09:10:39AM -0800, M Rafiq wrote: Tim, May be a an off-topic question to you or anybody who can answer. What is the best source / books to learn mysql quickest possible without too much cost to an individual? The online docs are good: http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/index.html For dead trees, these are good: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0735712123 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0596001452 Tim. I am asking this because in my recent job search I found couple of good companies are also using mysql. Regards Rafiq _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: M Rafiq INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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There's a specific reason for that - mysql.org was run by NuSphere, a company that released an extended version of MySQL with a custom database engine. Mysql the corporation sued for trademark infringement on the name mysql, claiming that customers would be confused that the mysql.org listed version of mysql was the official one. MySQL AB won, and took the name over. Matt -- Matthew Zito GridApp Systems Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 646-220-3551 Phone: 212-358-8211 x 359 http://www.gridapp.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goulet, Dick Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 9:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: MySQL in the future? Richard, Now this is interesting. When you enter www.mysql.org into your browser you get forwarded onto www.mysql.com. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 5:15 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dick, That's the commercial version your link points to which provides additional functionality like InnoDB. But you can get free MySQL from www.mysql.org. Richard -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Richard, Oh Contrare, if your using MySql for a commercial purpose then you owe MySql AB in Germany $475 US, at last look. Here's from their web site (http://www.mysql.com/products/licensing.html): MySQL Licensing Policy In Brief This is our licensing policy in brief: Our software is 100% GPL, and if yours is also 100% GPL (or OSI compliant), then you never have to pay us for the licences. In all other instances, you are better served by our commercial licence. Read the details below! Licensing MySQL software is licensed under the GPL license. The formal terms of the GPL license can be found in the GNU General Public License section of the MySQL Reference Manual. MySQL is also available under commercial non-GPL license. For pricing and ordering information, see our online store 1. Free use for those who are 100% GPL If your application is licensed under GPL or compatible OSI license approved by MySQL AB, you are free and welcome to ship any GPL software of MySQL AB with your application. By application we mean any type of software application, system, tool or utility. For doing this, you do not need a separate signed agreement with MySQL AB, because the GPL text is sufficient. But we do recommend you to be in touch with us as there usually are good opportunities for partnership and co-marketing. 2. Free use for those who never copy, modify or distribute As long as you never distribute (internally or externally) the MySQL Software in any way, you are free to use it for powering your application, irrespective of whether your application is under GPL or other OSI approved license or not. More specifically: Modifying - You are allowed to modify MySQL Software source code any way you like. If you distribute the modified version, all changes, all interface code and all code that connects directly or indirectly to the interface code fall under GPL. Copying - You are allowed to copy MySQL binaries and source code, but when you do so, the copies will fall under the GPL license. 3. Commercial use for everyone else If your application is not licensed under GPL or compatible OSI license approved by MySQL AB and you intend to distribute MySQL software (be that internally or externally), you must first obtain a commercial license to the MySQL software in question. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:20 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Yes, agreed. But out of all the MySql running out there, how many of them do you think people purchased support for? People run MySql just like Apache because it's free. And they get most of the support through internal mailing-list, groups etc. Richard -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 12:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Richard, I believe someone else here put the magic phrase on the subject. Support. MySql has a commercial company that you can buy support from, namely MySQL. PostGreSql use to have a vendor who would sell you a support contract, Great Bridge Software. Don't know what happen to them. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 12:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Glad to see another PostGresql like here. I always wonder why is MySql bigger than PostGreSql when it was inferior. My guess is that it was widely used as Web logging, site
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I'll second Tim's choices. Got both books and they're excellent. BTW, I got the MySQL Cookbook at the Rocky Mountain Oracle Users Group Conference. :) --Walt Weaver Bozeman, Montana -Original Message- From: M Rafiq [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 10:10 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: MySQL in the future? Tim, Thanks Regards Rafiq Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 02:24:39 -0800 On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 09:10:39AM -0800, M Rafiq wrote: Tim, May be a an off-topic question to you or anybody who can answer. What is the best source / books to learn mysql quickest possible without too much cost to an individual? The online docs are good: http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/index.html For dead trees, these are good: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0735712123 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0596001452 Tim. I am asking this because in my recent job search I found couple of good companies are also using mysql. Regards Rafiq -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Weaver, Walt INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Goulet, Dick wrote: I think we've all seen and are once again seeing a similar maneuver. Can you get MySql from mysql.org, sure but it's going to be left way in the dirt by MySql AB until their version is the only acceptable one out there. Course by then it probably will acquire a different name. and of course a higher price tag. Only the lawyers win!!! The only version out there is the MySQL AB version. The company owns MySQL: mysql.org points to mysql.com and mysql.com is MySQL AB. MySQL is a lot like RedHat Linux in many respects - you can download and use the software for free; you can buy the boxed CD and Manuals; you can buy a commercial license; you can buy support and training; and you can pay to take certification exams. Glenn Stauffer -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Glenn Stauffer INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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On Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 01:30:17PM -0800, Gogala, Mladen wrote: Nope, it will not. Companies are still suspicious toward open source and if they cannot buy it, they will not use it. The most often quoted reason is support. http://www.mysql.com/support/index.html I have found their support consistently excellent. Tim. Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Phone:(203) 459-6855 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 3:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L WILL OPEN-SOURCE THREATEN ORACLE, IBM AND MS? | Internet News How big of a threat are open-source databases to software giants like Oracle, who hold most of the market and revenue share today? MySQL could be the biggest challenger to Oracle, and even Microsoft and IBM in the database market. MySQL is making inroads as a database alternative for small businesses or departmentally inside larger enterprises. Ultimately, the groundswell of support for MySQL could propel it on a Linux-like course to stardom as companies look to reduce TCO for databases. For the full details, click: http://www.internetnews.com/ent-news/article.php/2221901 Interesting article Is this the wave of the future for the small consultant?? If the CEO is smart he will start a certification program and release upgrades every 18 months. It keeps the revenue comming it. Ron -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Ron Rogers INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Tim Bunce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Jesse, In the Open Source world I'm becoming a PostGreSql bigot. While there are a lot of folks out there using MySql I believe they acquired an inferior product. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 6:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I haven't really used either in-depth, but the features of PostrgeSQL http://advocacy.postgresql.org/advantages/ seem to be a lot closer to Enterprise than MySQL 4.x, IMHO. Then again, I'm an Oracle bigot -- for now. :) Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- From: Ron Rogers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 2:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: MySQL in the future? WILL OPEN-SOURCE THREATEN ORACLE, IBM AND MS? | Internet News How big of a threat are open-source databases to software giants like Oracle, who hold most of the market and revenue share today? MySQL could be the biggest challenger to Oracle, and even Microsoft and IBM in the database market. MySQL is making inroads as a database alternative for small businesses or departmentally inside larger enterprises. Ultimately, the groundswell of support for MySQL could propel it on a Linux-like course to stardom as companies look to reduce TCO for databases. For the full details, click: http://www.internetnews.com/ent-news/article.php/2221901 Interesting article Is this the wave of the future for the small consultant?? If the CEO is smart he will start a certification program and release upgrades every 18 months. It keeps the revenue comming it. Ron -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Glad to see another PostGresql like here. I always wonder why is MySql bigger than PostGreSql when it was inferior. My guess is that it was widely used as Web logging, site logging as an alternative to file based logging where people don't care much about transaction 'n such. Richard Ji -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 9:50 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Jesse, In the Open Source world I'm becoming a PostGreSql bigot. While there are a lot of folks out there using MySql I believe they acquired an inferior product. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 6:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I haven't really used either in-depth, but the features of PostrgeSQL http://advocacy.postgresql.org/advantages/ seem to be a lot closer to Enterprise than MySQL 4.x, IMHO. Then again, I'm an Oracle bigot -- for now. :) Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- From: Ron Rogers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 2:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: MySQL in the future? WILL OPEN-SOURCE THREATEN ORACLE, IBM AND MS? | Internet News How big of a threat are open-source databases to software giants like Oracle, who hold most of the market and revenue share today? MySQL could be the biggest challenger to Oracle, and even Microsoft and IBM in the database market. MySQL is making inroads as a database alternative for small businesses or departmentally inside larger enterprises. Ultimately, the groundswell of support for MySQL could propel it on a Linux-like course to stardom as companies look to reduce TCO for databases. For the full details, click: http://www.internetnews.com/ent-news/article.php/2221901 Interesting article Is this the wave of the future for the small consultant?? If the CEO is smart he will start a certification program and release upgrades every 18 months. It keeps the revenue comming it. Ron -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Richard Ji INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Richard, I believe someone else here put the magic phrase on the subject. Support. MySql has a commercial company that you can buy support from, namely MySQL. PostGreSql use to have a vendor who would sell you a support contract, Great Bridge Software. Don't know what happen to them. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 12:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Glad to see another PostGresql like here. I always wonder why is MySql bigger than PostGreSql when it was inferior. My guess is that it was widely used as Web logging, site logging as an alternative to file based logging where people don't care much about transaction 'n such. Richard Ji -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 9:50 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Jesse, In the Open Source world I'm becoming a PostGreSql bigot. While there are a lot of folks out there using MySql I believe they acquired an inferior product. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 6:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I haven't really used either in-depth, but the features of PostrgeSQL http://advocacy.postgresql.org/advantages/ seem to be a lot closer to Enterprise than MySQL 4.x, IMHO. Then again, I'm an Oracle bigot -- for now. :) Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- From: Ron Rogers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 2:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: MySQL in the future? WILL OPEN-SOURCE THREATEN ORACLE, IBM AND MS? | Internet News How big of a threat are open-source databases to software giants like Oracle, who hold most of the market and revenue share today? MySQL could be the biggest challenger to Oracle, and even Microsoft and IBM in the database market. MySQL is making inroads as a database alternative for small businesses or departmentally inside larger enterprises. Ultimately, the groundswell of support for MySQL could propel it on a Linux-like course to stardom as companies look to reduce TCO for databases. For the full details, click: http://www.internetnews.com/ent-news/article.php/2221901 Interesting article Is this the wave of the future for the small consultant?? If the CEO is smart he will start a certification program and release upgrades every 18 months. It keeps the revenue comming it. Ron -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Richard Ji INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL
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Yes, agreed. But out of all the MySql running out there, how many of them do you think people purchased support for? People run MySql just like Apache because it's free. And they get most of the support through internal mailing-list, groups etc. Richard -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 12:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Richard, I believe someone else here put the magic phrase on the subject. Support. MySql has a commercial company that you can buy support from, namely MySQL. PostGreSql use to have a vendor who would sell you a support contract, Great Bridge Software. Don't know what happen to them. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 12:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Glad to see another PostGresql like here. I always wonder why is MySql bigger than PostGreSql when it was inferior. My guess is that it was widely used as Web logging, site logging as an alternative to file based logging where people don't care much about transaction 'n such. Richard Ji -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 9:50 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Jesse, In the Open Source world I'm becoming a PostGreSql bigot. While there are a lot of folks out there using MySql I believe they acquired an inferior product. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 6:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I haven't really used either in-depth, but the features of PostrgeSQL http://advocacy.postgresql.org/advantages/ seem to be a lot closer to Enterprise than MySQL 4.x, IMHO. Then again, I'm an Oracle bigot -- for now. :) Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- From: Ron Rogers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 2:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: MySQL in the future? WILL OPEN-SOURCE THREATEN ORACLE, IBM AND MS? | Internet News How big of a threat are open-source databases to software giants like Oracle, who hold most of the market and revenue share today? MySQL could be the biggest challenger to Oracle, and even Microsoft and IBM in the database market. MySQL is making inroads as a database alternative for small businesses or departmentally inside larger enterprises. Ultimately, the groundswell of support for MySQL could propel it on a Linux-like course to stardom as companies look to reduce TCO for databases. For the full details, click: http://www.internetnews.com/ent-news/article.php/2221901 Interesting article Is this the wave of the future for the small consultant?? If the CEO is smart he will start a certification program and release upgrades every 18 months. It keeps the revenue comming it. Ron -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Richard Ji INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L
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Richard, Oh Contrare, if your using MySql for a commercial purpose then you owe MySql AB in Germany $475 US, at last look. Here's from their web site (http://www.mysql.com/products/licensing.html): MySQL Licensing Policy In Brief This is our licensing policy in brief: Our software is 100% GPL, and if yours is also 100% GPL (or OSI compliant), then you never have to pay us for the licences. In all other instances, you are better served by our commercial licence. Read the details below! Licensing MySQL software is licensed under the GPL license. The formal terms of the GPL license can be found in the GNU General Public License section of the MySQL Reference Manual. MySQL is also available under commercial non-GPL license. For pricing and ordering information, see our online store 1. Free use for those who are 100% GPL If your application is licensed under GPL or compatible OSI license approved by MySQL AB, you are free and welcome to ship any GPL software of MySQL AB with your application. By application we mean any type of software application, system, tool or utility. For doing this, you do not need a separate signed agreement with MySQL AB, because the GPL text is sufficient. But we do recommend you to be in touch with us as there usually are good opportunities for partnership and co-marketing. 2. Free use for those who never copy, modify or distribute As long as you never distribute (internally or externally) the MySQL Software in any way, you are free to use it for powering your application, irrespective of whether your application is under GPL or other OSI approved license or not. More specifically: Modifying - You are allowed to modify MySQL Software source code any way you like. If you distribute the modified version, all changes, all interface code and all code that connects directly or indirectly to the interface code fall under GPL. Copying - You are allowed to copy MySQL binaries and source code, but when you do so, the copies will fall under the GPL license. 3. Commercial use for everyone else If your application is not licensed under GPL or compatible OSI license approved by MySQL AB and you intend to distribute MySQL software (be that internally or externally), you must first obtain a commercial license to the MySQL software in question. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:20 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Yes, agreed. But out of all the MySql running out there, how many of them do you think people purchased support for? People run MySql just like Apache because it's free. And they get most of the support through internal mailing-list, groups etc. Richard -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 12:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Richard, I believe someone else here put the magic phrase on the subject. Support. MySql has a commercial company that you can buy support from, namely MySQL. PostGreSql use to have a vendor who would sell you a support contract, Great Bridge Software. Don't know what happen to them. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 12:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Glad to see another PostGresql like here. I always wonder why is MySql bigger than PostGreSql when it was inferior. My guess is that it was widely used as Web logging, site logging as an alternative to file based logging where people don't care much about transaction 'n such. Richard Ji -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 9:50 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Jesse, In the Open Source world I'm becoming a PostGreSql bigot. While there are a lot of folks out there using MySql I believe they acquired an inferior product. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 6:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I haven't really used either in-depth, but the features of PostrgeSQL http://advocacy.postgresql.org/advantages/ seem to be a lot closer to Enterprise than MySQL 4.x, IMHO. Then again, I'm an Oracle bigot -- for now. :) Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- From: Ron Rogers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 2:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: MySQL in the future? WILL OPEN-SOURCE THREATEN ORACLE, IBM AND MS? | Internet News How big of a threat are open-source databases to software giants like Oracle, who hold most of the market and revenue share today? MySQL could be the biggest challenger to Oracle, and even Microsoft and IBM in the database market. MySQL is making inroads as a database alternative for small
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As a suggestion I would simply download, read the doc and install. I had mysql installed and database built in about an hour. (not to oversimplify it) but the docs are very good and will have you running in no time. Your coming from an oracle background so architecturally/(instinctually), it should be a piece of cake Just go for it! http://www.mysql.com/ My 2cts bob What is the best source / books to learn mysql quickest possible without too much cost to an individual? I am asking this because in my recent job search I found couple of good companies are also using mysql. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Bob Metelsky INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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I thought that's only when you use their MySQL which has some addon features. But if you download the free MySql you don't have to pay anyone. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Richard, Oh Contrare, if your using MySql for a commercial purpose then you owe MySql AB in Germany $475 US, at last look. Here's from their web site (http://www.mysql.com/products/licensing.html): MySQL Licensing Policy In Brief This is our licensing policy in brief: Our software is 100% GPL, and if yours is also 100% GPL (or OSI compliant), then you never have to pay us for the licences. In all other instances, you are better served by our commercial licence. Read the details below! Licensing MySQL software is licensed under the GPL license. The formal terms of the GPL license can be found in the GNU General Public License section of the MySQL Reference Manual. MySQL is also available under commercial non-GPL license. For pricing and ordering information, see our online store 1. Free use for those who are 100% GPL If your application is licensed under GPL or compatible OSI license approved by MySQL AB, you are free and welcome to ship any GPL software of MySQL AB with your application. By application we mean any type of software application, system, tool or utility. For doing this, you do not need a separate signed agreement with MySQL AB, because the GPL text is sufficient. But we do recommend you to be in touch with us as there usually are good opportunities for partnership and co-marketing. 2. Free use for those who never copy, modify or distribute As long as you never distribute (internally or externally) the MySQL Software in any way, you are free to use it for powering your application, irrespective of whether your application is under GPL or other OSI approved license or not. More specifically: Modifying - You are allowed to modify MySQL Software source code any way you like. If you distribute the modified version, all changes, all interface code and all code that connects directly or indirectly to the interface code fall under GPL. Copying - You are allowed to copy MySQL binaries and source code, but when you do so, the copies will fall under the GPL license. 3. Commercial use for everyone else If your application is not licensed under GPL or compatible OSI license approved by MySQL AB and you intend to distribute MySQL software (be that internally or externally), you must first obtain a commercial license to the MySQL software in question. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:20 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Yes, agreed. But out of all the MySql running out there, how many of them do you think people purchased support for? People run MySql just like Apache because it's free. And they get most of the support through internal mailing-list, groups etc. Richard -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 12:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Richard, I believe someone else here put the magic phrase on the subject. Support. MySql has a commercial company that you can buy support from, namely MySQL. PostGreSql use to have a vendor who would sell you a support contract, Great Bridge Software. Don't know what happen to them. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 12:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Glad to see another PostGresql like here. I always wonder why is MySql bigger than PostGreSql when it was inferior. My guess is that it was widely used as Web logging, site logging as an alternative to file based logging where people don't care much about transaction 'n such. Richard Ji -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 9:50 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Jesse, In the Open Source world I'm becoming a PostGreSql bigot. While there are a lot of folks out there using MySql I believe they acquired an inferior product. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 6:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I haven't really used either in-depth, but the features of PostrgeSQL http://advocacy.postgresql.org/advantages/ seem to be a lot closer to Enterprise than MySQL 4.x, IMHO. Then again, I'm an Oracle bigot -- for now. :) Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- From: Ron Rogers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 2:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: MySQL in the future? WILL OPEN-SOURCE THREATEN ORACLE, IBM AND MS? | Internet News How big of a threat are open-source databases to
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No no, your application have to be GPL - then you need not to pay anyone. :-) Example: You have a website and you use mySQL to store parts of the pages. So, source of your website pages must be GPL or you have to buy a licence. JP On Wednesday 18 of June 2003 20:04, you wrote: I thought that's only when you use their MySQL which has some addon features. But if you download the free MySql you don't have to pay anyone. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Richard, Oh Contrare, if your using MySql for a commercial purpose then you owe MySql AB in Germany $475 US, at last look. Here's from their web site (http://www.mysql.com/products/licensing.html): MySQL Licensing Policy In Brief This is our licensing policy in brief: Our software is 100% GPL, and if yours is also 100% GPL (or OSI compliant), then you never have to pay us for the licences. In all other instances, you are better served by our commercial licence. Read the details below! Licensing MySQL software is licensed under the GPL license. The formal terms of the GPL license can be found in the GNU General Public License section of the MySQL Reference Manual. MySQL is also available under commercial non-GPL license. For pricing and ordering information, see our online store 1. Free use for those who are 100% GPL If your application is licensed under GPL or compatible OSI license approved by MySQL AB, you are free and welcome to ship any GPL software of MySQL AB with your application. By application we mean any type of software application, system, tool or utility. For doing this, you do not need a separate signed agreement with MySQL AB, because the GPL text is sufficient. But we do recommend you to be in touch with us as there usually are good opportunities for partnership and co-marketing. 2. Free use for those who never copy, modify or distribute As long as you never distribute (internally or externally) the MySQL Software in any way, you are free to use it for powering your application, irrespective of whether your application is under GPL or other OSI approved license or not. More specifically: Modifying - You are allowed to modify MySQL Software source code any way you like. If you distribute the modified version, all changes, all interface code and all code that connects directly or indirectly to the interface code fall under GPL. Copying - You are allowed to copy MySQL binaries and source code, but when you do so, the copies will fall under the GPL license. 3. Commercial use for everyone else If your application is not licensed under GPL or compatible OSI license approved by MySQL AB and you intend to distribute MySQL software (be that internally or externally), you must first obtain a commercial license to the MySQL software in question. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:20 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Yes, agreed. But out of all the MySql running out there, how many of them do you think people purchased support for? People run MySql just like Apache because it's free. And they get most of the support through internal mailing-list, groups etc. Richard -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 12:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Richard, I believe someone else here put the magic phrase on the subject. Support. MySql has a commercial company that you can buy support from, namely MySQL. PostGreSql use to have a vendor who would sell you a support contract, Great Bridge Software. Don't know what happen to them. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 12:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Glad to see another PostGresql like here. I always wonder why is MySql bigger than PostGreSql when it was inferior. My guess is that it was widely used as Web logging, site logging as an alternative to file based logging where people don't care much about transaction 'n such. Richard Ji -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 9:50 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Jesse, In the Open Source world I'm becoming a PostGreSql bigot. While there are a lot of folks out there using MySql I believe they acquired an inferior product. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 6:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I haven't really used either in-depth, but the features of PostrgeSQL http://advocacy.postgresql.org/advantages/ seem to be a lot closer to Enterprise than MySQL 4.x, IMHO. Then again, I'm an Oracle bigot -- for now. :) Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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What? Are you sure? My understanding is if I make changes to MySql code or some addon to MySql I need to submit my changes bakc to public and GPL. That what the whole dispute between MySQL the company and the community before, right? But my application too? For just using it? What about all those sites running Apache, will they have to make their appliction GPL because they are using Linux/Apache? Richard -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 3:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L No no, your application have to be GPL - then you need not to pay anyone. :-) Example: You have a website and you use mySQL to store parts of the pages. So, source of your website pages must be GPL or you have to buy a licence. JP On Wednesday 18 of June 2003 20:04, you wrote: I thought that's only when you use their MySQL which has some addon features. But if you download the free MySql you don't have to pay anyone. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Richard, Oh Contrare, if your using MySql for a commercial purpose then you owe MySql AB in Germany $475 US, at last look. Here's from their web site (http://www.mysql.com/products/licensing.html): MySQL Licensing Policy In Brief This is our licensing policy in brief: Our software is 100% GPL, and if yours is also 100% GPL (or OSI compliant), then you never have to pay us for the licences. In all other instances, you are better served by our commercial licence. Read the details below! Licensing MySQL software is licensed under the GPL license. The formal terms of the GPL license can be found in the GNU General Public License section of the MySQL Reference Manual. MySQL is also available under commercial non-GPL license. For pricing and ordering information, see our online store 1. Free use for those who are 100% GPL If your application is licensed under GPL or compatible OSI license approved by MySQL AB, you are free and welcome to ship any GPL software of MySQL AB with your application. By application we mean any type of software application, system, tool or utility. For doing this, you do not need a separate signed agreement with MySQL AB, because the GPL text is sufficient. But we do recommend you to be in touch with us as there usually are good opportunities for partnership and co-marketing. 2. Free use for those who never copy, modify or distribute As long as you never distribute (internally or externally) the MySQL Software in any way, you are free to use it for powering your application, irrespective of whether your application is under GPL or other OSI approved license or not. More specifically: Modifying - You are allowed to modify MySQL Software source code any way you like. If you distribute the modified version, all changes, all interface code and all code that connects directly or indirectly to the interface code fall under GPL. Copying - You are allowed to copy MySQL binaries and source code, but when you do so, the copies will fall under the GPL license. 3. Commercial use for everyone else If your application is not licensed under GPL or compatible OSI license approved by MySQL AB and you intend to distribute MySQL software (be that internally or externally), you must first obtain a commercial license to the MySQL software in question. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:20 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Yes, agreed. But out of all the MySql running out there, how many of them do you think people purchased support for? People run MySql just like Apache because it's free. And they get most of the support through internal mailing-list, groups etc. Richard -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 12:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Richard, I believe someone else here put the magic phrase on the subject. Support. MySql has a commercial company that you can buy support from, namely MySQL. PostGreSql use to have a vendor who would sell you a support contract, Great Bridge Software. Don't know what happen to them. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 12:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Glad to see another PostGresql like here. I always wonder why is MySql bigger than PostGreSql when it was inferior. My guess is that it was widely used as Web logging, site logging as an alternative to file based logging where people don't care much about transaction 'n such. Richard Ji -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 9:50 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Jesse, In the Open Source world I'm becoming a PostGreSql bigot. While there are a lot of folks out there using MySql I believe they
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Richard, I don't think there is a commercial company supporting/developing Apache, TomCat, etc... But MySql AB is doing all of the above they want to make money. So if all of your web pages, html code, JAVA etc... are all licensed under GPL or an acceptable to MySql AB OSI license you don't owe them a dime whether you allow others to use it or not. But if your not going to do that then MySql AB wants their share of the pie. Sounds a lot like Oracle or MicroSlop to me. OH, BTW: with their acquisition of SAPDB capabilities I'll bet the license terms get tighter and the cost higher. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 4:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L What? Are you sure? My understanding is if I make changes to MySql code or some addon to MySql I need to submit my changes bakc to public and GPL. That what the whole dispute between MySQL the company and the community before, right? But my application too? For just using it? What about all those sites running Apache, will they have to make their appliction GPL because they are using Linux/Apache? Richard -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 3:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L No no, your application have to be GPL - then you need not to pay anyone. :-) Example: You have a website and you use mySQL to store parts of the pages. So, source of your website pages must be GPL or you have to buy a licence. JP On Wednesday 18 of June 2003 20:04, you wrote: I thought that's only when you use their MySQL which has some addon features. But if you download the free MySql you don't have to pay anyone. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Richard, Oh Contrare, if your using MySql for a commercial purpose then you owe MySql AB in Germany $475 US, at last look. Here's from their web site (http://www.mysql.com/products/licensing.html): MySQL Licensing Policy In Brief This is our licensing policy in brief: Our software is 100% GPL, and if yours is also 100% GPL (or OSI compliant), then you never have to pay us for the licences. In all other instances, you are better served by our commercial licence. Read the details below! Licensing MySQL software is licensed under the GPL license. The formal terms of the GPL license can be found in the GNU General Public License section of the MySQL Reference Manual. MySQL is also available under commercial non-GPL license. For pricing and ordering information, see our online store 1. Free use for those who are 100% GPL If your application is licensed under GPL or compatible OSI license approved by MySQL AB, you are free and welcome to ship any GPL software of MySQL AB with your application. By application we mean any type of software application, system, tool or utility. For doing this, you do not need a separate signed agreement with MySQL AB, because the GPL text is sufficient. But we do recommend you to be in touch with us as there usually are good opportunities for partnership and co-marketing. 2. Free use for those who never copy, modify or distribute As long as you never distribute (internally or externally) the MySQL Software in any way, you are free to use it for powering your application, irrespective of whether your application is under GPL or other OSI approved license or not. More specifically: Modifying - You are allowed to modify MySQL Software source code any way you like. If you distribute the modified version, all changes, all interface code and all code that connects directly or indirectly to the interface code fall under GPL. Copying - You are allowed to copy MySQL binaries and source code, but when you do so, the copies will fall under the GPL license. 3. Commercial use for everyone else If your application is not licensed under GPL or compatible OSI license approved by MySQL AB and you intend to distribute MySQL software (be that internally or externally), you must first obtain a commercial license to the MySQL software in question. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:20 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Yes, agreed. But out of all the MySql running out there, how many of them do you think people purchased support for? People run MySql just like Apache because it's free. And they get most of the support through internal mailing-list, groups etc. Richard -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 12:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Richard, I believe someone else here put the magic phrase on the subject. Support. MySql has a commercial company that you can buy support from, namely MySQL. PostGreSql use to have a vendor who would sell you a support contract, Great Bridge
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Dick, That's the commercial version your link points to which provides additional functionality like InnoDB. But you can get free MySQL from www.mysql.org. Richard -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Richard, Oh Contrare, if your using MySql for a commercial purpose then you owe MySql AB in Germany $475 US, at last look. Here's from their web site (http://www.mysql.com/products/licensing.html): MySQL Licensing Policy In Brief This is our licensing policy in brief: Our software is 100% GPL, and if yours is also 100% GPL (or OSI compliant), then you never have to pay us for the licences. In all other instances, you are better served by our commercial licence. Read the details below! Licensing MySQL software is licensed under the GPL license. The formal terms of the GPL license can be found in the GNU General Public License section of the MySQL Reference Manual. MySQL is also available under commercial non-GPL license. For pricing and ordering information, see our online store 1. Free use for those who are 100% GPL If your application is licensed under GPL or compatible OSI license approved by MySQL AB, you are free and welcome to ship any GPL software of MySQL AB with your application. By application we mean any type of software application, system, tool or utility. For doing this, you do not need a separate signed agreement with MySQL AB, because the GPL text is sufficient. But we do recommend you to be in touch with us as there usually are good opportunities for partnership and co-marketing. 2. Free use for those who never copy, modify or distribute As long as you never distribute (internally or externally) the MySQL Software in any way, you are free to use it for powering your application, irrespective of whether your application is under GPL or other OSI approved license or not. More specifically: Modifying - You are allowed to modify MySQL Software source code any way you like. If you distribute the modified version, all changes, all interface code and all code that connects directly or indirectly to the interface code fall under GPL. Copying - You are allowed to copy MySQL binaries and source code, but when you do so, the copies will fall under the GPL license. 3. Commercial use for everyone else If your application is not licensed under GPL or compatible OSI license approved by MySQL AB and you intend to distribute MySQL software (be that internally or externally), you must first obtain a commercial license to the MySQL software in question. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:20 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Yes, agreed. But out of all the MySql running out there, how many of them do you think people purchased support for? People run MySql just like Apache because it's free. And they get most of the support through internal mailing-list, groups etc. Richard -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 12:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Richard, I believe someone else here put the magic phrase on the subject. Support. MySql has a commercial company that you can buy support from, namely MySQL. PostGreSql use to have a vendor who would sell you a support contract, Great Bridge Software. Don't know what happen to them. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 12:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Glad to see another PostGresql like here. I always wonder why is MySql bigger than PostGreSql when it was inferior. My guess is that it was widely used as Web logging, site logging as an alternative to file based logging where people don't care much about transaction 'n such. Richard Ji -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 9:50 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Jesse, In the Open Source world I'm becoming a PostGreSql bigot. While there are a lot of folks out there using MySql I believe they acquired an inferior product. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 6:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I haven't really used either in-depth, but the features of PostrgeSQL http://advocacy.postgresql.org/advantages/ seem to be a lot closer to Enterprise than MySQL 4.x, IMHO. Then again, I'm an Oracle bigot -- for now. :) Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- From: Ron Rogers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 2:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: MySQL in the future? WILL OPEN-SOURCE THREATEN ORACLE, IBM AND MS? | Internet News How big of a threat are
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Dick So does that mean that MySQL could do the famous Microsoft maneuver? Give it to them free/cheap until they're hooked, then raise the price? Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 4:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Richard, I don't think there is a commercial company supporting/developing Apache, TomCat, etc... But MySql AB is doing all of the above they want to make money. So if all of your web pages, html code, JAVA etc... are all licensed under GPL or an acceptable to MySql AB OSI license you don't owe them a dime whether you allow others to use it or not. But if your not going to do that then MySql AB wants their share of the pie. Sounds a lot like Oracle or MicroSlop to me. OH, BTW: with their acquisition of SAPDB capabilities I'll bet the license terms get tighter and the cost higher. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 4:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L What? Are you sure? My understanding is if I make changes to MySql code or some addon to MySql I need to submit my changes bakc to public and GPL. That what the whole dispute between MySQL the company and the community before, right? But my application too? For just using it? What about all those sites running Apache, will they have to make their appliction GPL because they are using Linux/Apache? Richard -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 3:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L No no, your application have to be GPL - then you need not to pay anyone. :-) Example: You have a website and you use mySQL to store parts of the pages. So, source of your website pages must be GPL or you have to buy a licence. JP On Wednesday 18 of June 2003 20:04, you wrote: I thought that's only when you use their MySQL which has some addon features. But if you download the free MySql you don't have to pay anyone. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Richard, Oh Contrare, if your using MySql for a commercial purpose then you owe MySql AB in Germany $475 US, at last look. Here's from their web site (http://www.mysql.com/products/licensing.html): MySQL Licensing Policy In Brief This is our licensing policy in brief: Our software is 100% GPL, and if yours is also 100% GPL (or OSI compliant), then you never have to pay us for the licences. In all other instances, you are better served by our commercial licence. Read the details below! Licensing MySQL software is licensed under the GPL license. The formal terms of the GPL license can be found in the GNU General Public License section of the MySQL Reference Manual. MySQL is also available under commercial non-GPL license. For pricing and ordering information, see our online store 1. Free use for those who are 100% GPL If your application is licensed under GPL or compatible OSI license approved by MySQL AB, you are free and welcome to ship any GPL software of MySQL AB with your application. By application we mean any type of software application, system, tool or utility. For doing this, you do not need a separate signed agreement with MySQL AB, because the GPL text is sufficient. But we do recommend you to be in touch with us as there usually are good opportunities for partnership and co-marketing. 2. Free use for those who never copy, modify or distribute As long as you never distribute (internally or externally) the MySQL Software in any way, you are free to use it for powering your application, irrespective of whether your application is under GPL or other OSI approved license or not. More specifically: Modifying - You are allowed to modify MySQL Software source code any way you like. If you distribute the modified version, all changes, all interface code and all code that connects directly or indirectly to the interface code fall under GPL. Copying - You are allowed to copy MySQL binaries and source code, but when you do so, the copies will fall under the GPL license. 3. Commercial use for everyone else If your application is not licensed under GPL or compatible OSI license approved by MySQL AB and you intend to distribute MySQL software (be that internally or externally), you must first obtain a commercial license to the MySQL software in question. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:20 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Yes, agreed. But out of all the MySql running out there, how many of them do you think people purchased support for? People run MySql just like Apache because it's free. And they get most of the support through internal mailing-list, groups etc. Richard -Original Message- Sent:
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The GPL does require any changes to the code covered by the GPL to be released under the same license. That being said the code used in conjuction with a GPL application does not have to be GPL'd. Consider the example of compiling a c program with gcc. Your program can be as proprietary as you like. Using gcc makes no difference in that case. Case in point the old dgux was compiled with gcc but you paid for that version of UNIX. Similarly if you write some javascript in a page to run under apache your javascript need not be GPL'd. Now once again, if you change Apache then those changes would need to be GPL'd. Storing data in MySQL does not infect the data with the GPL whatever that code is. Allan -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 3:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L What? Are you sure? My understanding is if I make changes to MySql code or some addon to MySql I need to submit my changes bakc to public and GPL. That what the whole dispute between MySQL the company and the community before, right? But my application too? For just using it? What about all those sites running Apache, will they have to make their appliction GPL because they are using Linux/Apache? Richard -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 3:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L No no, your application have to be GPL - then you need not to pay anyone. :-) Example: You have a website and you use mySQL to store parts of the pages. So, source of your website pages must be GPL or you have to buy a licence. JP On Wednesday 18 of June 2003 20:04, you wrote: I thought that's only when you use their MySQL which has some addon features. But if you download the free MySql you don't have to pay anyone. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Richard, Oh Contrare, if your using MySql for a commercial purpose then you owe MySql AB in Germany $475 US, at last look. Here's from their web site (http://www.mysql.com/products/licensing.html): MySQL Licensing Policy In Brief This is our licensing policy in brief: Our software is 100% GPL, and if yours is also 100% GPL (or OSI compliant), then you never have to pay us for the licences. In all other instances, you are better served by our commercial licence. Read the details below! Licensing MySQL software is licensed under the GPL license. The formal terms of the GPL license can be found in the GNU General Public License section of the MySQL Reference Manual. MySQL is also available under commercial non-GPL license. For pricing and ordering information, see our online store 1. Free use for those who are 100% GPL If your application is licensed under GPL or compatible OSI license approved by MySQL AB, you are free and welcome to ship any GPL software of MySQL AB with your application. By application we mean any type of software application, system, tool or utility. For doing this, you do not need a separate signed agreement with MySQL AB, because the GPL text is sufficient. But we do recommend you to be in touch with us as there usually are good opportunities for partnership and co-marketing. 2. Free use for those who never copy, modify or distribute As long as you never distribute (internally or externally) the MySQL Software in any way, you are free to use it for powering your application, irrespective of whether your application is under GPL or other OSI approved license or not. More specifically: Modifying - You are allowed to modify MySQL Software source code any way you like. If you distribute the modified version, all changes, all interface code and all code that connects directly or indirectly to the interface code fall under GPL. Copying - You are allowed to copy MySQL binaries and source code, but when you do so, the copies will fall under the GPL license. 3. Commercial use for everyone else If your application is not licensed under GPL or compatible OSI license approved by MySQL AB and you intend to distribute MySQL software (be that internally or externally), you must first obtain a commercial license to the MySQL software in question. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:20 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Yes, agreed. But out of all the MySql running out there, how many of them do you think people purchased support for? People run MySql just like Apache because it's free. And they get most of the support through internal mailing-list, groups etc. Richard -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 12:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Richard, I believe someone else here put the magic phrase on the subject. Support. MySql has a commercial company that you can buy support from, namely MySQL.
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No, the GPL'd code is GPL'd forever. Allan -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 4:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dick So does that mean that MySQL could do the famous Microsoft maneuver? Give it to them free/cheap until they're hooked, then raise the price? Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 4:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Richard, I don't think there is a commercial company supporting/developing Apache, TomCat, etc... But MySql AB is doing all of the above they want to make money. So if all of your web pages, html code, JAVA etc... are all licensed under GPL or an acceptable to MySql AB OSI license you don't owe them a dime whether you allow others to use it or not. But if your not going to do that then MySql AB wants their share of the pie. Sounds a lot like Oracle or MicroSlop to me. OH, BTW: with their acquisition of SAPDB capabilities I'll bet the license terms get tighter and the cost higher. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 4:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L What? Are you sure? My understanding is if I make changes to MySql code or some addon to MySql I need to submit my changes bakc to public and GPL. That what the whole dispute between MySQL the company and the community before, right? But my application too? For just using it? What about all those sites running Apache, will they have to make their appliction GPL because they are using Linux/Apache? Richard -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 3:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L No no, your application have to be GPL - then you need not to pay anyone. :-) Example: You have a website and you use mySQL to store parts of the pages. So, source of your website pages must be GPL or you have to buy a licence. JP On Wednesday 18 of June 2003 20:04, you wrote: I thought that's only when you use their MySQL which has some addon features. But if you download the free MySql you don't have to pay anyone. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Richard, Oh Contrare, if your using MySql for a commercial purpose then you owe MySql AB in Germany $475 US, at last look. Here's from their web site (http://www.mysql.com/products/licensing.html): MySQL Licensing Policy In Brief This is our licensing policy in brief: Our software is 100% GPL, and if yours is also 100% GPL (or OSI compliant), then you never have to pay us for the licences. In all other instances, you are better served by our commercial licence. Read the details below! Licensing MySQL software is licensed under the GPL license. The formal terms of the GPL license can be found in the GNU General Public License section of the MySQL Reference Manual. MySQL is also available under commercial non-GPL license. For pricing and ordering information, see our online store 1. Free use for those who are 100% GPL If your application is licensed under GPL or compatible OSI license approved by MySQL AB, you are free and welcome to ship any GPL software of MySQL AB with your application. By application we mean any type of software application, system, tool or utility. For doing this, you do not need a separate signed agreement with MySQL AB, because the GPL text is sufficient. But we do recommend you to be in touch with us as there usually are good opportunities for partnership and co-marketing. 2. Free use for those who never copy, modify or distribute As long as you never distribute (internally or externally) the MySQL Software in any way, you are free to use it for powering your application, irrespective of whether your application is under GPL or other OSI approved license or not. More specifically: Modifying - You are allowed to modify MySQL Software source code any way you like. If you distribute the modified version, all changes, all interface code and all code that connects directly or indirectly to the interface code fall under GPL. Copying - You are allowed to copy MySQL binaries and source code, but when you do so, the copies will fall under the GPL license. 3. Commercial use for everyone else If your application is not licensed under GPL or compatible OSI license approved by MySQL AB and you intend to distribute MySQL software (be that internally or externally), you must first obtain a commercial license to the MySQL software in question. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:20 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Yes, agreed. But out of all the MySql running out there, how many of them do you think people purchased support for?
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you are better served by our commercial license is not necessarily the same as: you must buy our commercial license. Either way, if you want to verify the license needs for your specific situation, contact the company. -Original Message- From: Jacques Kilchoer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: MySQL in the future? It seems (almost) clear to me from the text at http://www.mysql.com/products/licensing.html This is our licensing policy in brief: Our software is 100% GPL, and if yours is also 100% GPL (or OSI compliant), then you never have to pay us for the licences. In all other instances, you are better served by our commercial licence. If your application is 100% GPL (Gnu Public License) then you can use mySQL for free. If your application is NOT 100% GPL then you can use mySQL but you have to pay for it. -Original Message- From: Richard Ji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] What? Are you sure? My understanding is if I make changes to MySql code or some addon to MySql I need to submit my changes bakc to public and GPL. That what the whole dispute between MySQL the company and the community before, right? But my application too? For just using it? What about all those sites -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Anderson, Brian INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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I think the intro para quoted below is an oversimplification of the license policy--and one that (understandably) favors MySQL AB. My reading of that page is that it's the *distribution* of the MySQL source code (modified or not) or binaries that requires you to have a commercial license. I take this: 2. Free use for those who never copy, modify or distribute As long as you never distribute (internally or externally) the MySQL Software in any way, you are free to use it for powering your application, irrespective of whether your application is under GPL or other OSI approved license or not. More specifically: Modifying - You are allowed to modify MySQL Software source code any way you like. If you distribute the modified version, all changes, all interface code and all code that connects directly or indirectly to the interface code fall under GPL. Copying - You are allowed to copy MySQL binaries and source code, but when you do so, the copies will fall under the GPL license. to mean that apps that just run against MySQL do not have to be GPL'd. I'd bet you could even sell a commercial app that required MySQL to run, so long as you made your customers get install their own copies of MySQL (that is, you did not distribute it yourself). But I haven't actually read the GPL, so I could be wrong... Roy Pardee Programmer/Analyst/DBA SWFPAC Lockheed Martin IT Extension 8487 -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 3:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L It seems (almost) clear to me from the text at http://www.mysql.com/products/licensing.html This is our licensing policy in brief: Our software is 100% GPL, and if yours is also 100% GPL (or OSI compliant), then you never have to pay us for the licences. In all other instances, you are better served by our commercial licence. If your application is 100% GPL (Gnu Public License) then you can use mySQL for free. If your application is NOT 100% GPL then you can use mySQL but you have to pay for it. -Original Message- From: Richard Ji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] What? Are you sure? My understanding is if I make changes to MySql code or some addon to MySql I need to submit my changes bakc to public and GPL. That what the whole dispute between MySQL the company and the community before, right? But my application too? For just using it? What about all those sites running Apache, will they have to make their appliction GPL because they are using Linux/Apache? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jacques Kilchoer INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Pardee, Roy E INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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That's how I understand it as well. -Original Message- From: Nelson, Allan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 6/18/2003 6:44 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Cc: Subject:RE: MySQL in the future? The GPL does require any changes to the code covered by the GPL to be released under the same license. That being said the code used in conjuction with a GPL application does not have to be GPL'd. Consider the example of compiling a c program with gcc. Your program can be as proprietary as you like. Using gcc makes no difference in that case. Case in point the old dgux was compiled with gcc but you paid for that version of UNIX. Similarly if you write some javascript in a page to run under apache your javascript need not be GPL'd. Now once again, if you change Apache then those changes would need to be GPL'd. Storing data in MySQL does not infect the data with the GPL whatever that code is. Allan -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 3:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L What? Are you sure? My understanding is if I make changes to MySql code or some addon to MySql I need to submit my changes bakc to public and GPL. That what the whole dispute between MySQL the company and the community before, right? But my application too? For just using it? What about all those sites running Apache, will they have to make their appliction GPL because they are using Linux/Apache? Richard -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 3:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L No no, your application have to be GPL - then you need not to pay anyone. :-) Example: You have a website and you use mySQL to store parts of the pages. So, source of your website pages must be GPL or you have to buy a licence. JP On Wednesday 18 of June 2003 20:04, you wrote: I thought that's only when you use their MySQL which has some addon features. But if you download the free MySql you don't have to pay anyone. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Richard, Oh Contrare, if your using MySql for a commercial purpose then you owe MySql AB in Germany $475 US, at last look. Here's from their web site (http://www.mysql.com/products/licensing.html): MySQL Licensing Policy In Brief This is our licensing policy in brief: Our software is 100% GPL, and if yours is also 100% GPL (or OSI compliant), then you never have to pay us for the licences. In all other instances, you are better served by our commercial licence. Read the details below! Licensing MySQL software is licensed under the GPL license. The formal terms of the GPL license can be found in the GNU General Public License section of the MySQL Reference Manual. MySQL is also available under commercial non-GPL license. For pricing and ordering information, see our online store 1. Free use for those who are 100% GPL If your application is licensed under GPL or compatible OSI license approved by MySQL AB, you are free and welcome to ship any GPL software of MySQL AB with your application. By application we mean any type of software application, system, tool or utility. For doing this, you do not need a separate signed agreement with MySQL AB, because the GPL text is sufficient. But we do recommend you to be in touch with us as there usually are good opportunities for partnership and co-marketing. 2. Free use for those who never copy, modify or distribute As long as you never distribute (internally or externally) the MySQL Software in any way, you are free to use it for powering your application, irrespective of whether your application is under GPL or other OSI approved license or not. More specifically: Modifying - You are allowed to modify MySQL Software source code any way you like. If you distribute the modified version, all changes, all interface code and all code that connects directly or indirectly to the interface code fall under GPL. Copying - You are allowed to copy MySQL binaries and source code, but when you do so, the copies will fall under the GPL license. 3. Commercial use for everyone else If your application is not licensed under GPL or compatible OSI license approved by MySQL AB and you intend to distribute MySQL software (be that internally or externally), you must first obtain a commercial license to the MySQL software in question. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:20 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Yes, agreed. But out of all the MySql running out there, how many of them do you think people purchased support for? People run MySql just like Apache because it's free. And they get most of the support through internal mailing-list, groups etc. Richard -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June
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But its not that clear, though - look at this part: As long as you never distribute (internally or externally) the MySQL Software in any way, you are free to use it for powering your application, irrespective of whether your application is under GPL or other OSI approved license or not. So, I would interpret that as saying that if you wrote a web application or a win32 application that just connects to a centrally located mysql database and runs queries, no need to GPL your software. If your app comes with an installer that installs the app as well as mysql, its gotta be GPL or you have to purchase a commercial license. Thanks, Matt -- Matthew Zito GridApp Systems Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 646-220-3551 Phone: 212-358-8211 x 359 http://www.gridapp.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jacques Kilchoer Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 5:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: MySQL in the future? It seems (almost) clear to me from the text at http://www.mysql.com/products/licensing.html This is our licensing policy in brief: Our software is 100% GPL, and if yours is also 100% GPL (or OSI compliant), then you never have to pay us for the licences. In all other instances, you are better served by our commercial licence. If your application is 100% GPL (Gnu Public License) then you can use mySQL for free. If your application is NOT 100% GPL then you can use mySQL but you have to pay for it. -Original Message- From: Richard Ji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] What? Are you sure? My understanding is if I make changes to MySql code or some addon to MySql I need to submit my changes bakc to public and GPL. That what the whole dispute between MySQL the company and the community before, right? But my application too? For just using it? What about all those sites running Apache, will they have to make their appliction GPL because they are using Linux/Apache? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jacques Kilchoer INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Matthew Zito INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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I'm glad I'm not a lawyer. What does distribute internally mean? I work for company X and write an application to use a MySQL database. I take the zip file I downloaded from MySQL and install it to another server, and now two sets of people are using the database on different machines with the same application. Does that mean I distributed it internally? -Original Message- From: Matthew Zito [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] But its not that clear, though - look at this part: As long as you never distribute (internally or externally) the MySQL Software in any way, you are free to use it for powering your application, irrespective of whether your application is under GPL or other OSI approved license or not. So, I would interpret that as saying that if you wrote a web application or a win32 application that just connects to a centrally located mysql database and runs queries, no need to GPL your software. If your app comes with an installer that installs the app as well as mysql, its gotta be GPL or you have to purchase a commercial license. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jacques Kilchoer INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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I haven't really used either in-depth, but the features of PostrgeSQL http://advocacy.postgresql.org/advantages/ seem to be a lot closer to Enterprise than MySQL 4.x, IMHO. Then again, I'm an Oracle bigot -- for now. :) Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- From: Ron Rogers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 2:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: MySQL in the future? WILL OPEN-SOURCE THREATEN ORACLE, IBM AND MS? | Internet News How big of a threat are open-source databases to software giants like Oracle, who hold most of the market and revenue share today? MySQL could be the biggest challenger to Oracle, and even Microsoft and IBM in the database market. MySQL is making inroads as a database alternative for small businesses or departmentally inside larger enterprises. Ultimately, the groundswell of support for MySQL could propel it on a Linux-like course to stardom as companies look to reduce TCO for databases. For the full details, click: http://www.internetnews.com/ent-news/article.php/2221901 Interesting article Is this the wave of the future for the small consultant?? If the CEO is smart he will start a certification program and release upgrades every 18 months. It keeps the revenue comming it. Ron -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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In that article, unless I missed it, they didn't mention the deal between SAP and MySQL. SAP, MySQL Sign Open-Source Database Deal (By MARC L. SONGINI, JUNE 02, 2003, Computerworld) SAP AG last week said it plans to hand off lead development of its SAP DB database software to MySQL AB and work with MySQL to deliver an enterprise-class version of that company's namesake open-source database. http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/erp/story/0,10801,81711,00.html I think MySQL is definitely worth learning. You can find it for a whole bunch of different platforms here: http://www.mysql.com/downloads/mysql-4.0.html -Original Message- From: Ron Rogers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WILL OPEN-SOURCE THREATEN ORACLE, IBM AND MS? | Internet News How big of a threat are open-source databases to software giants like Oracle, who hold most of the market and revenue share today? MySQL could be the biggest challenger to Oracle, and even Microsoft and IBM in the database market. MySQL is making inroads as a database alternative for small businesses or departmentally inside larger enterprises. Ultimately, the groundswell of support for MySQL could propel it on a Linux-like course to stardom as companies look to reduce TCO for databases. For the full details, click: http://www.internetnews.com/ent-news/article.php/2221901 Interesting article Is this the wave of the future for the small consultant?? If the CEO is smart he will start a certification program and release upgrades every 18 months. It keeps the revenue comming it. Ron -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jacques Kilchoer INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
