RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
I hope you were being sarcastic there Mladen... Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 7:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Nope, that's what voting machines are invented for. They work almost perfectly in almost every state. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nuno Pinto do Souto Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door Boivin, Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Something like that at the bottom of this article: http://www.computerworld.com/news/2003/story/0,11280,84773,00.html Counting processors is very hard. It's very hard to count users I thought that's what count(*) was invented for? Larry can truly be the Prime Minister of the Bleeding Obvious when he wants... Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Pinto do Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
I believe Mr. Ellison is responding to a lot of market pressure, and failing DB sales. I know it would be a relief here to see this inplace soon, but as always the DEVIL is in the details. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Nope, that's what voting machines are invented for. They work almost perfectly in almost every state. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nuno Pinto do Souto Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door Boivin, Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Something like that at the bottom of this article: http://www.computerworld.com/news/2003/story/0,11280,84773,00.html Counting processors is very hard. It's very hard to count users I thought that's what count(*) was invented for? Larry can truly be the Prime Minister of the Bleeding Obvious when he wants... Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Pinto do Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
There should be a low level pricing for home users, so that people who download oracle may use metalink. I would pay for home support if it was something like $150/ year for my Linux box. There should also be a low price for small companies wih 16 users. One should be able to buy a 16 users license for around $2000. I know a caterer that went with SQL Server because of the price and development tools availability as well as the atitude of the salesman that he turned to. I know that a small CT caterer with 9 employees is not Merryl-Lynch or Chase, but it is a business nevertheless and having a database in there buys a mindshare. Caterers have to keep track of the orders, ingredients and schedules and they do need a database. At present, there is a condescending attitude toward those people and that only helps our favorite company in Redmond, WA. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goulet, Dick Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:44 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door I believe Mr. Ellison is responding to a lot of market pressure, and failing DB sales. I know it would be a relief here to see this inplace soon, but as always the DEVIL is in the details. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Nope, that's what voting machines are invented for. They work almost perfectly in almost every state. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nuno Pinto do Souto Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door Boivin, Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Something like that at the bottom of this article: http://www.computerworld.com/news/2003/story/0,11280,84773,00.html Counting processors is very hard. It's very hard to count users I thought that's what count(*) was invented for? Larry can truly be the Prime Minister of the Bleeding Obvious when he wants... Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Pinto do Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message
RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
I used to work for a large but non profit organisation (.org) and we were using Oracle, the sales rep never send us Christmas card for sure Stephane -Original Message- Mladen Gogala Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L There should be a low level pricing for home users, so that people who download oracle may use metalink. I would pay for home support if it was something like $150/ year for my Linux box. There should also be a low price for small companies wih 16 users. One should be able to buy a 16 users license for around $2000. I know a caterer that went with SQL Server because of the price and development tools availability as well as the atitude of the salesman that he turned to. I know that a small CT caterer with 9 employees is not Merryl-Lynch or Chase, but it is a business nevertheless and having a database in there buys a mindshare. Caterers have to keep track of the orders, ingredients and schedules and they do need a database. At present, there is a condescending attitude toward those people and that only helps our favorite company in Redmond, WA. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goulet, Dick Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:44 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door I believe Mr. Ellison is responding to a lot of market pressure, and failing DB sales. I know it would be a relief here to see this inplace soon, but as always the DEVIL is in the details. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Nope, that's what voting machines are invented for. They work almost perfectly in almost every state. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nuno Pinto do Souto Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door Boivin, Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Something like that at the bottom of this article: http://www.computerworld.com/news/2003/story/0,11280,84773,00.html Counting processors is very hard. It's very hard to count users I thought that's what count(*) was invented for? Larry can truly be the Prime Minister of the Bleeding Obvious when he wants... Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Pinto do Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http
Re: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
That same mentality applies to organizations with 100-200 users! After the latest meeting with the Oracle rep, damagement is seriously considering alternate database systems. Abey. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:29 AM There should be a low level pricing for home users, so that people who download oracle may use metalink. I would pay for home support if it was something like $150/ year for my Linux box. There should also be a low price for small companies wih 16 users. One should be able to buy a 16 users license for around $2000. I know a caterer that went with SQL Server because of the price and development tools availability as well as the atitude of the salesman that he turned to. I know that a small CT caterer with 9 employees is not Merryl-Lynch or Chase, but it is a business nevertheless and having a database in there buys a mindshare. Caterers have to keep track of the orders, ingredients and schedules and they do need a database. At present, there is a condescending attitude toward those people and that only helps our favorite company in Redmond, WA. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Abey Joseph INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
Speaking of non-profit organisations, what is Oracle's policy on that? Do they sell Oracle software to non-profit groups? Probably it's a small market at best, but Personal Oracle might meet their needs. Another group that comes to mind are high schools and colleges, they might want to purchase 1 or 2 licenses for their students to play with. Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 12:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I used to work for a large but non profit organisation (.org) and we were using Oracle, the sales rep never send us Christmas card for sure Stephane -Original Message- Mladen Gogala Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L There should be a low level pricing for home users, so that people who download oracle may use metalink. I would pay for home support if it was something like $150/ year for my Linux box. There should also be a low price for small companies wih 16 users. One should be able to buy a 16 users license for around $2000. I know a caterer that went with SQL Server because of the price and development tools availability as well as the atitude of the salesman that he turned to. I know that a small CT caterer with 9 employees is not Merryl-Lynch or Chase, but it is a business nevertheless and having a database in there buys a mindshare. Caterers have to keep track of the orders, ingredients and schedules and they do need a database. At present, there is a condescending attitude toward those people and that only helps our favorite company in Redmond, WA. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goulet, Dick Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:44 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door I believe Mr. Ellison is responding to a lot of market pressure, and failing DB sales. I know it would be a relief here to see this inplace soon, but as always the DEVIL is in the details. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Nope, that's what voting machines are invented for. They work almost perfectly in almost every state. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nuno Pinto do Souto Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door Boivin, Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Something like that at the bottom of this article: http://www.computerworld.com/news/2003/story/0,11280,84773,00.html Counting processors is very hard. It's very hard to count users I thought that's what count(*) was invented for? Larry can truly be the Prime Minister of the Bleeding Obvious when he wants... Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Pinto do Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from
RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
Standard life? I thought that you work for Oriole corp.? -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephane Paquette Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door I used to work for a large but non profit organisation (.org) and we were using Oracle, the sales rep never send us Christmas card for sure Stephane -Original Message- Mladen Gogala Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L There should be a low level pricing for home users, so that people who download oracle may use metalink. I would pay for home support if it was something like $150/ year for my Linux box. There should also be a low price for small companies wih 16 users. One should be able to buy a 16 users license for around $2000. I know a caterer that went with SQL Server because of the price and development tools availability as well as the atitude of the salesman that he turned to. I know that a small CT caterer with 9 employees is not Merryl-Lynch or Chase, but it is a business nevertheless and having a database in there buys a mindshare. Caterers have to keep track of the orders, ingredients and schedules and they do need a database. At present, there is a condescending attitude toward those people and that only helps our favorite company in Redmond, WA. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goulet, Dick Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:44 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door I believe Mr. Ellison is responding to a lot of market pressure, and failing DB sales. I know it would be a relief here to see this inplace soon, but as always the DEVIL is in the details. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Nope, that's what voting machines are invented for. They work almost perfectly in almost every state. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nuno Pinto do Souto Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door Boivin, Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Something like that at the bottom of this article: http://www.computerworld.com/news/2003/story/0,11280,84773,00.html Counting processors is very hard. It's very hard to count users I thought that's what count(*) was invented for? Larry can truly be the Prime Minister of the Bleeding Obvious when he wants... Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Pinto do Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services
RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
At the time, no policy. Yes we were paying for the software. Small market but a lot of visibility : IATA (International Air Transport Association), ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organization) those 2 run Oracle, plus all the UN organizations are non profit organizations. Stephane -Original Message- Boivin, Patrice J Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 12:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Speaking of non-profit organisations, what is Oracle's policy on that? Do they sell Oracle software to non-profit groups? Probably it's a small market at best, but Personal Oracle might meet their needs. Another group that comes to mind are high schools and colleges, they might want to purchase 1 or 2 licenses for their students to play with. Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 12:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I used to work for a large but non profit organisation (.org) and we were using Oracle, the sales rep never send us Christmas card for sure Stephane -Original Message- Mladen Gogala Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L There should be a low level pricing for home users, so that people who download oracle may use metalink. I would pay for home support if it was something like $150/ year for my Linux box. There should also be a low price for small companies wih 16 users. One should be able to buy a 16 users license for around $2000. I know a caterer that went with SQL Server because of the price and development tools availability as well as the atitude of the salesman that he turned to. I know that a small CT caterer with 9 employees is not Merryl-Lynch or Chase, but it is a business nevertheless and having a database in there buys a mindshare. Caterers have to keep track of the orders, ingredients and schedules and they do need a database. At present, there is a condescending attitude toward those people and that only helps our favorite company in Redmond, WA. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goulet, Dick Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:44 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door I believe Mr. Ellison is responding to a lot of market pressure, and failing DB sales. I know it would be a relief here to see this inplace soon, but as always the DEVIL is in the details. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Nope, that's what voting machines are invented for. They work almost perfectly in almost every state. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nuno Pinto do Souto Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door Boivin, Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Something like that at the bottom of this article: http://www.computerworld.com/news/2003/story/0,11280,84773,00.html Counting processors is very hard. It's very hard to count users I thought that's what count(*) was invented for? Larry can truly be the Prime Minister of the Bleeding Obvious when he wants... Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Pinto do Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender
RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
There is at least 2 Stephane : Stephane Faroult (Oriole), Stephane Paquette (Standard Life) Stephane -Original Message- Mladen Gogala Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 2:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Standard life? I thought that you work for Oriole corp.? -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephane Paquette Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door I used to work for a large but non profit organisation (.org) and we were using Oracle, the sales rep never send us Christmas card for sure Stephane -Original Message- Mladen Gogala Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L There should be a low level pricing for home users, so that people who download oracle may use metalink. I would pay for home support if it was something like $150/ year for my Linux box. There should also be a low price for small companies wih 16 users. One should be able to buy a 16 users license for around $2000. I know a caterer that went with SQL Server because of the price and development tools availability as well as the atitude of the salesman that he turned to. I know that a small CT caterer with 9 employees is not Merryl-Lynch or Chase, but it is a business nevertheless and having a database in there buys a mindshare. Caterers have to keep track of the orders, ingredients and schedules and they do need a database. At present, there is a condescending attitude toward those people and that only helps our favorite company in Redmond, WA. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goulet, Dick Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:44 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door I believe Mr. Ellison is responding to a lot of market pressure, and failing DB sales. I know it would be a relief here to see this inplace soon, but as always the DEVIL is in the details. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Nope, that's what voting machines are invented for. They work almost perfectly in almost every state. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nuno Pinto do Souto Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door Boivin, Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Something like that at the bottom of this article: http://www.computerworld.com/news/2003/story/0,11280,84773,00.html Counting processors is very hard. It's very hard to count users I thought that's what count(*) was invented for? Larry can truly be the Prime Minister of the Bleeding Obvious when he wants... Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Pinto do Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network
RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
At my university we were given Oracle licences .. as well as substantial gifts from Sun (Servers, workstations etc)... that way we finished University with good working knowledge of Solaris and Oracle on Solaris... Which is of course in their best interest... :S -Mensaje original- De: Boivin, Patrice J [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: jueves, 11 de septiembre de 2003 12:54 Para: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Asunto: RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door Speaking of non-profit organisations, what is Oracle's policy on that? Do they sell Oracle software to non-profit groups? Probably it's a small market at best, but Personal Oracle might meet their needs. Another group that comes to mind are high schools and colleges, they might want to purchase 1 or 2 licenses for their students to play with. Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 12:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I used to work for a large but non profit organisation (.org) and we were using Oracle, the sales rep never send us Christmas card for sure Stephane -Original Message- Mladen Gogala Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L There should be a low level pricing for home users, so that people who download oracle may use metalink. I would pay for home support if it was something like $150/ year for my Linux box. There should also be a low price for small companies wih 16 users. One should be able to buy a 16 users license for around $2000. I know a caterer that went with SQL Server because of the price and development tools availability as well as the atitude of the salesman that he turned to. I know that a small CT caterer with 9 employees is not Merryl-Lynch or Chase, but it is a business nevertheless and having a database in there buys a mindshare. Caterers have to keep track of the orders, ingredients and schedules and they do need a database. At present, there is a condescending attitude toward those people and that only helps our favorite company in Redmond, WA. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goulet, Dick Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:44 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door I believe Mr. Ellison is responding to a lot of market pressure, and failing DB sales. I know it would be a relief here to see this inplace soon, but as always the DEVIL is in the details. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Nope, that's what voting machines are invented for. They work almost perfectly in almost every state. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nuno Pinto do Souto Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door Boivin, Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Something like that at the bottom of this article: http://www.computerworld.com/news/2003/story/0,11280,84773,00.html Counting processors is very hard. It's very hard to count users I thought that's what count(*) was invented for? Larry can truly be the Prime Minister of the Bleeding Obvious when he wants... Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Pinto do Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender
Re: DB2 has a foot in the door
We also has site licensing. It was done 3-4 years ago. Maybe Oracle changed tactics since then. Yechiel Adar Mehish - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 1:49 PM Oracle does site licensing... but only if you are a very very large corporation. Citibank (when I worked there) had one. The company I work for now has one. So I don't ask do we have a license when I want to install a new version of Oracle, even if it is a new platform One of the few things that is easier working in a rigid corporate environment --- Mogens_Nørgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's one thing that IBM can do, which Microsoft and Oracle can't offer: They do site licenses as well as cpu and user licensing. That just gives them an incredible advantage to management and others who can stop thinking about whether they should buy another server, move stuff from one server to the other, etc. I can't believe Oracle and Microsoft are not doing it (I think I can guess, but it's still not good). Mladen Gogala wrote: I believe that the answer to Stephane's question is obvious: Oracle 10g will cost 10 grands/ CPU. That's where the letter g is coming from. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stephane We've been very excited about Oracle Standard Edition. Helped stave off the interest in MS SQL. Given the budget pressures at many organizations, I'm surprised we don't hear more about this alternative. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi all, We're an Oracle shop, over 140 Oracle instances. Today, architecture has chosen IBM DB2 for BI projects. The next step I guessed will be to choose DB2 for the new transactionnal applications also. IBM offers DB2 at 25% less than Oracle. I wonder if Oracle 10G will come with a new pricing structure ? Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tel. (514) 499-7999 7470 and (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mogens_N=F8rgaard?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Yechiel Adar INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
When negotiating site licensing, does Oracle encourage the customers to buy EE licences? Or can people negotiate for a mix of EE or SE. Just curious, I don't know how that would work -- not very compatible with OracleStore, it seems to me. Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L We also has site licensing. It was done 3-4 years ago. Maybe Oracle changed tactics since then. Yechiel Adar Mehish -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
Patrice Which license do you think provides the Oracle sales representative the largest commission? Money is considered an acceptable motivation for a sales rep. The key word in your statement is negotiating. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 7:21 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L When negotiating site licensing, does Oracle encourage the customers to buy EE licences? Or can people negotiate for a mix of EE or SE. Just curious, I don't know how that would work -- not very compatible with OracleStore, it seems to me. Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L We also has site licensing. It was done 3-4 years ago. Maybe Oracle changed tactics since then. Yechiel Adar Mehish -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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is SE alot more affordable than EE? CAn you un-bundle Oracle software and just buy the pieces you want to use or do you always have to buy the whole bundle? what about 9iAS? do you have to buy the whole bundle or can you just get pieces? From: Hitchman, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/10 Wed AM 09:54:35 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door Hi, I looked into SE but found that Oracle would not allow it to be used on a machine that has 4 or more CPUs or can support that many CPUs, which for this company is a problem because we generally run Oracle on Sun servers. Don't know if that has changed now with later Oracle releases. Regards Pete -Original Message- Sent: 10 September 2003 13:21 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L When negotiating site licensing, does Oracle encourage the customers to buy EE licences? Or can people negotiate for a mix of EE or SE. Just curious, I don't know how that would work -- not very compatible with OracleStore, it seems to me. Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L We also has site licensing. It was done 3-4 years ago. Maybe Oracle changed tactics since then. Yechiel Adar Mehish -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ The information contained in this email is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Thomson Scientific will accept no responsibility or liability in respect to this email other than to the addressee. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately via email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Hitchman, Peter INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
Hi, I looked into SE but found that Oracle would not allow it to be used on a machine that has 4 or more CPUs or can support that many CPUs, which for this company is a problem because we generally run Oracle on Sun servers. Don't know if that has changed now with later Oracle releases. Regards Pete -Original Message- Sent: 10 September 2003 13:21 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L When negotiating site licensing, does Oracle encourage the customers to buy EE licences? Or can people negotiate for a mix of EE or SE. Just curious, I don't know how that would work -- not very compatible with OracleStore, it seems to me. Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L We also has site licensing. It was done 3-4 years ago. Maybe Oracle changed tactics since then. Yechiel Adar Mehish -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ The information contained in this email is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Thomson Scientific will accept no responsibility or liability in respect to this email other than to the addressee. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately via email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Hitchman, Peter INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
Ryan Yes, MUCH more affordable, assuming you can live with the limitations. Check Oracle Store for current prices. I understand the 4-CPU limit still remains. There aren't too many unbundling options. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 9:15 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L is SE alot more affordable than EE? CAn you un-bundle Oracle software and just buy the pieces you want to use or do you always have to buy the whole bundle? what about 9iAS? do you have to buy the whole bundle or can you just get pieces? From: Hitchman, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/10 Wed AM 09:54:35 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door Hi, I looked into SE but found that Oracle would not allow it to be used on a machine that has 4 or more CPUs or can support that many CPUs, which for this company is a problem because we generally run Oracle on Sun servers. Don't know if that has changed now with later Oracle releases. Regards Pete -Original Message- Sent: 10 September 2003 13:21 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L When negotiating site licensing, does Oracle encourage the customers to buy EE licences? Or can people negotiate for a mix of EE or SE. Just curious, I don't know how that would work -- not very compatible with OracleStore, it seems to me. Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L We also has site licensing. It was done 3-4 years ago. Maybe Oracle changed tactics since then. Yechiel Adar Mehish -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ The information contained in this email is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Thomson Scientific will accept no responsibility or liability in respect to this email other than to the addressee. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately via email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Hitchman, Peter INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want
RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
For 9iAS, you have to get the whole bundle. It doesn't include Excedrin, so desperately needed by anybody unfortunate enough to have to deal with 9iAS. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 10:15 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door is SE alot more affordable than EE? CAn you un-bundle Oracle software and just buy the pieces you want to use or do you always have to buy the whole bundle? what about 9iAS? do you have to buy the whole bundle or can you just get pieces? From: Hitchman, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/10 Wed AM 09:54:35 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door Hi, I looked into SE but found that Oracle would not allow it to be used on a machine that has 4 or more CPUs or can support that many CPUs, which for this company is a problem because we generally run Oracle on Sun servers. Don't know if that has changed now with later Oracle releases. Regards Pete -Original Message- Sent: 10 September 2003 13:21 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L When negotiating site licensing, does Oracle encourage the customers to buy EE licences? Or can people negotiate for a mix of EE or SE. Just curious, I don't know how that would work -- not very compatible with OracleStore, it seems to me. Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L We also has site licensing. It was done 3-4 years ago. Maybe Oracle changed tactics since then. Yechiel Adar Mehish -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ The information contained in this email is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Thomson Scientific will accept no responsibility or liability in respect to this email other than to the addressee. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately via email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Hitchman, Peter INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You
RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
how restrictive are db2 and sql server on bundling licenses? and CPU limitations? From: DENNIS WILLIAMS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/10 Wed AM 10:29:25 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door Ryan Yes, MUCH more affordable, assuming you can live with the limitations. Check Oracle Store for current prices. I understand the 4-CPU limit still remains. There aren't too many unbundling options. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 9:15 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L is SE alot more affordable than EE? CAn you un-bundle Oracle software and just buy the pieces you want to use or do you always have to buy the whole bundle? what about 9iAS? do you have to buy the whole bundle or can you just get pieces? From: Hitchman, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/10 Wed AM 09:54:35 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door Hi, I looked into SE but found that Oracle would not allow it to be used on a machine that has 4 or more CPUs or can support that many CPUs, which for this company is a problem because we generally run Oracle on Sun servers. Don't know if that has changed now with later Oracle releases. Regards Pete -Original Message- Sent: 10 September 2003 13:21 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L When negotiating site licensing, does Oracle encourage the customers to buy EE licences? Or can people negotiate for a mix of EE or SE. Just curious, I don't know how that would work -- not very compatible with OracleStore, it seems to me. Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L We also has site licensing. It was done 3-4 years ago. Maybe Oracle changed tactics since then. Yechiel Adar Mehish -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ The information contained in this email is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Thomson Scientific will accept no responsibility or liability in respect to this email other than to the addressee. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately via email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Hitchman, Peter INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051
RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
The following may be pertinent to the current discussion of Oracle pricing models. Ellison sees new software pricing model Posted September 10, 5:07 a.m. Pacific Time SAN FRANCISCO -- The model of pricing enterprise software on a per-processor basis should be replaced with a flat annual fee that allows businesses to use as much software as they want, Oracle Corp.'s chairman and chief executive officer Larry Ellison said Tuesday. It becomes very hard to count processors and to count users, Ellison said, responding to a question on the future of software pricing at the OracleWorld show. Where I think we'll go is towards enterprise licensing. ... You pay an annual recurring fee and use as much software as you want, and I think that's a much more sensible model to use. In News -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 9:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For 9iAS, you have to get the whole bundle. It doesn't include Excedrin, so desperately needed by anybody unfortunate enough to have to deal with 9iAS. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 10:15 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door is SE alot more affordable than EE? CAn you un-bundle Oracle software and just buy the pieces you want to use or do you always have to buy the whole bundle? what about 9iAS? do you have to buy the whole bundle or can you just get pieces? From: Hitchman, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/10 Wed AM 09:54:35 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door Hi, I looked into SE but found that Oracle would not allow it to be used on a machine that has 4 or more CPUs or can support that many CPUs, which for this company is a problem because we generally run Oracle on Sun servers. Don't know if that has changed now with later Oracle releases. Regards Pete -Original Message- Sent: 10 September 2003 13:21 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L When negotiating site licensing, does Oracle encourage the customers to buy EE licences? Or can people negotiate for a mix of EE or SE. Just curious, I don't know how that would work -- not very compatible with OracleStore, it seems to me. Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L We also has site licensing. It was done 3-4 years ago. Maybe Oracle changed tactics since then. Yechiel Adar Mehish -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ The information contained in this email is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Thomson Scientific will accept no responsibility or liability in respect to this email other than to the addressee. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately via email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Hitchman, Peter INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services
RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
Dennis, Do you have the source of this report??? Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 12:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L The following may be pertinent to the current discussion of Oracle pricing models. Ellison sees new software pricing model Posted September 10, 5:07 a.m. Pacific Time SAN FRANCISCO -- The model of pricing enterprise software on a per-processor basis should be replaced with a flat annual fee that allows businesses to use as much software as they want, Oracle Corp.'s chairman and chief executive officer Larry Ellison said Tuesday. It becomes very hard to count processors and to count users, Ellison said, responding to a question on the future of software pricing at the OracleWorld show. Where I think we'll go is towards enterprise licensing. ... You pay an annual recurring fee and use as much software as you want, and I think that's a much more sensible model to use. In News -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 9:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For 9iAS, you have to get the whole bundle. It doesn't include Excedrin, so desperately needed by anybody unfortunate enough to have to deal with 9iAS. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 10:15 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door is SE alot more affordable than EE? CAn you un-bundle Oracle software and just buy the pieces you want to use or do you always have to buy the whole bundle? what about 9iAS? do you have to buy the whole bundle or can you just get pieces? From: Hitchman, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/10 Wed AM 09:54:35 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door Hi, I looked into SE but found that Oracle would not allow it to be used on a machine that has 4 or more CPUs or can support that many CPUs, which for this company is a problem because we generally run Oracle on Sun servers. Don't know if that has changed now with later Oracle releases. Regards Pete -Original Message- Sent: 10 September 2003 13:21 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L When negotiating site licensing, does Oracle encourage the customers to buy EE licences? Or can people negotiate for a mix of EE or SE. Just curious, I don't know how that would work -- not very compatible with OracleStore, it seems to me. Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L We also has site licensing. It was done 3-4 years ago. Maybe Oracle changed tactics since then. Yechiel Adar Mehish -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ The information contained in this email is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Thomson Scientific will accept no responsibility or liability in respect to this email other than to the addressee. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately via email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Hitchman, Peter INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may
RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
Dick - Sorry, Infoworld, I didn't realize the link would get stripped off. http://newsletter.infoworld.com/t?ctl=443575:1F31A10 Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 12:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dennis, Do you have the source of this report??? Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 12:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L The following may be pertinent to the current discussion of Oracle pricing models. Ellison sees new software pricing model Posted September 10, 5:07 a.m. Pacific Time SAN FRANCISCO -- The model of pricing enterprise software on a per-processor basis should be replaced with a flat annual fee that allows businesses to use as much software as they want, Oracle Corp.'s chairman and chief executive officer Larry Ellison said Tuesday. It becomes very hard to count processors and to count users, Ellison said, responding to a question on the future of software pricing at the OracleWorld show. Where I think we'll go is towards enterprise licensing. .. You pay an annual recurring fee and use as much software as you want, and I think that's a much more sensible model to use. In News -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 9:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For 9iAS, you have to get the whole bundle. It doesn't include Excedrin, so desperately needed by anybody unfortunate enough to have to deal with 9iAS. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 10:15 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door is SE alot more affordable than EE? CAn you un-bundle Oracle software and just buy the pieces you want to use or do you always have to buy the whole bundle? what about 9iAS? do you have to buy the whole bundle or can you just get pieces? From: Hitchman, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/10 Wed AM 09:54:35 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door Hi, I looked into SE but found that Oracle would not allow it to be used on a machine that has 4 or more CPUs or can support that many CPUs, which for this company is a problem because we generally run Oracle on Sun servers. Don't know if that has changed now with later Oracle releases. Regards Pete -Original Message- Sent: 10 September 2003 13:21 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L When negotiating site licensing, does Oracle encourage the customers to buy EE licences? Or can people negotiate for a mix of EE or SE. Just curious, I don't know how that would work -- not very compatible with OracleStore, it seems to me. Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L We also has site licensing. It was done 3-4 years ago. Maybe Oracle changed tactics since then. Yechiel Adar Mehish -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ The information contained in this email is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Thomson Scientific will accept no responsibility or liability in respect to this email other than to the addressee. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately via email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Hitchman, Peter INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services
RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
Here it is : http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/09/10/HNellisonpricing_1.html Stephane -Original Message- Goulet, Dick Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 1:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dennis, Do you have the source of this report??? Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 12:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L The following may be pertinent to the current discussion of Oracle pricing models. Ellison sees new software pricing model Posted September 10, 5:07 a.m. Pacific Time SAN FRANCISCO -- The model of pricing enterprise software on a per-processor basis should be replaced with a flat annual fee that allows businesses to use as much software as they want, Oracle Corp.'s chairman and chief executive officer Larry Ellison said Tuesday. It becomes very hard to count processors and to count users, Ellison said, responding to a question on the future of software pricing at the OracleWorld show. Where I think we'll go is towards enterprise licensing. .. You pay an annual recurring fee and use as much software as you want, and I think that's a much more sensible model to use. In News -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 9:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For 9iAS, you have to get the whole bundle. It doesn't include Excedrin, so desperately needed by anybody unfortunate enough to have to deal with 9iAS. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 10:15 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door is SE alot more affordable than EE? CAn you un-bundle Oracle software and just buy the pieces you want to use or do you always have to buy the whole bundle? what about 9iAS? do you have to buy the whole bundle or can you just get pieces? From: Hitchman, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/10 Wed AM 09:54:35 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door Hi, I looked into SE but found that Oracle would not allow it to be used on a machine that has 4 or more CPUs or can support that many CPUs, which for this company is a problem because we generally run Oracle on Sun servers. Don't know if that has changed now with later Oracle releases. Regards Pete -Original Message- Sent: 10 September 2003 13:21 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L When negotiating site licensing, does Oracle encourage the customers to buy EE licences? Or can people negotiate for a mix of EE or SE. Just curious, I don't know how that would work -- not very compatible with OracleStore, it seems to me. Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L We also has site licensing. It was done 3-4 years ago. Maybe Oracle changed tactics since then. Yechiel Adar Mehish -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ The information contained in this email is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Thomson Scientific will accept no responsibility or liability in respect to this email other than to the addressee. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately via email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Hitchman, Peter INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling
RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
Something like that at the bottom of this article: http://www.computerworld.com/news/2003/story/0,11280,84773,00.html Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 2:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dennis, Do you have the source of this report??? Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 12:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L The following may be pertinent to the current discussion of Oracle pricing models. Ellison sees new software pricing model Posted September 10, 5:07 a.m. Pacific Time SAN FRANCISCO -- The model of pricing enterprise software on a per-processor basis should be replaced with a flat annual fee that allows businesses to use as much software as they want, Oracle Corp.'s chairman and chief executive officer Larry Ellison said Tuesday. It becomes very hard to count processors and to count users, Ellison said, responding to a question on the future of software pricing at the OracleWorld show. Where I think we'll go is towards enterprise licensing. .. You pay an annual recurring fee and use as much software as you want, and I think that's a much more sensible model to use. In News -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 9:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For 9iAS, you have to get the whole bundle. It doesn't include Excedrin, so desperately needed by anybody unfortunate enough to have to deal with 9iAS. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 10:15 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door is SE alot more affordable than EE? CAn you un-bundle Oracle software and just buy the pieces you want to use or do you always have to buy the whole bundle? what about 9iAS? do you have to buy the whole bundle or can you just get pieces? From: Hitchman, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/10 Wed AM 09:54:35 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door Hi, I looked into SE but found that Oracle would not allow it to be used on a machine that has 4 or more CPUs or can support that many CPUs, which for this company is a problem because we generally run Oracle on Sun servers. Don't know if that has changed now with later Oracle releases. Regards Pete -Original Message- Sent: 10 September 2003 13:21 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L When negotiating site licensing, does Oracle encourage the customers to buy EE licences? Or can people negotiate for a mix of EE or SE. Just curious, I don't know how that would work -- not very compatible with OracleStore, it seems to me. Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L We also has site licensing. It was done 3-4 years ago. Maybe Oracle changed tactics since then. Yechiel Adar Mehish -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ The information contained in this email is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Thomson Scientific will accept no responsibility or liability in respect to this email other than to the addressee. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately via email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Hitchman, Peter INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from
RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
I'm interested in the report also. Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tel. (514) 499-7999 7470 and (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Goulet, Dick Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 1:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dennis, Do you have the source of this report??? Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 12:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L The following may be pertinent to the current discussion of Oracle pricing models. Ellison sees new software pricing model Posted September 10, 5:07 a.m. Pacific Time SAN FRANCISCO -- The model of pricing enterprise software on a per-processor basis should be replaced with a flat annual fee that allows businesses to use as much software as they want, Oracle Corp.'s chairman and chief executive officer Larry Ellison said Tuesday. It becomes very hard to count processors and to count users, Ellison said, responding to a question on the future of software pricing at the OracleWorld show. Where I think we'll go is towards enterprise licensing. ... You pay an annual recurring fee and use as much software as you want, and I think that's a much more sensible model to use. In News -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 9:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For 9iAS, you have to get the whole bundle. It doesn't include Excedrin, so desperately needed by anybody unfortunate enough to have to deal with 9iAS. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 10:15 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door is SE alot more affordable than EE? CAn you un-bundle Oracle software and just buy the pieces you want to use or do you always have to buy the whole bundle? what about 9iAS? do you have to buy the whole bundle or can you just get pieces? From: Hitchman, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/10 Wed AM 09:54:35 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door Hi, I looked into SE but found that Oracle would not allow it to be used on a machine that has 4 or more CPUs or can support that many CPUs, which for this company is a problem because we generally run Oracle on Sun servers. Don't know if that has changed now with later Oracle releases. Regards Pete -Original Message- Sent: 10 September 2003 13:21 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L When negotiating site licensing, does Oracle encourage the customers to buy EE licences? Or can people negotiate for a mix of EE or SE. Just curious, I don't know how that would work -- not very compatible with OracleStore, it seems to me. Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L We also has site licensing. It was done 3-4 years ago. Maybe Oracle changed tactics since then. Yechiel Adar Mehish -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ The information contained in this email is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Thomson Scientific will accept no responsibility or liability in respect to this email other than to the addressee. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately via email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Hitchman, Peter INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services
Re: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
Boivin, Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Something like that at the bottom of this article: http://www.computerworld.com/news/2003/story/0,11280,84773,00.html Counting processors is very hard. It's very hard to count users I thought that's what count(*) was invented for? Larry can truly be the Prime Minister of the Bleeding Obvious when he wants... Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Pinto do Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
Nope, that's what voting machines are invented for. They work almost perfectly in almost every state. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nuno Pinto do Souto Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door Boivin, Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Something like that at the bottom of this article: http://www.computerworld.com/news/2003/story/0,11280,84773,00.html Counting processors is very hard. It's very hard to count users I thought that's what count(*) was invented for? Larry can truly be the Prime Minister of the Bleeding Obvious when he wants... Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Pinto do Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Re: DB2 has a foot in the door
oracle is still the only one out there that has multi-version read consistency? I thought postre-gre sql had it? anyone else? everyone has row level locking right? From: Mogens Nørgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/08 Mon AM 01:09:25 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DB2 has a foot in the door Cost is the easy one. They run comparable to Microsoft or thereabout. They have various options I haven't looked at yet, that might make them more expensive than that. The DB2 on mainframes and the DB2 on Unix, for instance, were written by different teams. Which might explain why they didn't port the time-based instrumentation from the mainframe environment to the Unix port. So yeah, you probably can't just take code and move it. They have a pretty good porting tool between Oracle and DB2, though. We thought that was rather neat when we ran it against one of our customer's database definitions. The PL/SQL conversion came out alright, too, although there of course are things they can't do and vice versa. Broadly speaking, I think you can divide the databases of the world into three categories: 1. Oracle, with very good locking strategies, very good read consistency model, very good performance measurement instrumentation (time-based). 2. Other relational databases such as DB2, Sybase, SQL Server, Informix, etc. where they all share the same (to us Oracle-techies) strange locking philosophy, the same consistency model where you have to code more, and no wait-interface. 3. The rest. re 2: The locking philosophy difference means that you can still have readers block writers and writers block readers, unless you specifically handle how to do it on the transactional level. This explains why cloning databases for reporting purposes is so popular with other databases compared to the Oracle world :). IBM has pointed out in various whitepapers something which to us doesn't make sense, but which might make sense to others: If you want to have a portable application, you should probably choose one of the category II databases, since they're all pretty much alike in their behaviour on the important aspects of locking and read consistency. If you have to go to or from Oracle to or from another database, you'd have to change code a good deal or live with non-optimal conditions after the migration. Mogens Tom Ryan wrote: have you used DB2? How does it compare to Oracle? Ive seen tom kyte write that each platform that DB2 runs on is in essence a different database and you cant take code from one platform and move it to another. are the features comparable? what about cost? - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 8:54 AM VERY interesting. They refused to do site licensing at a 2 installation here. Thank you for this tip. Rachel Carmichael wrote: Oracle does site licensing... but only if you are a very very large corporation. Citibank (when I worked there) had one. The company I work for now has one. So I don't ask do we have a license when I want to install a new version of Oracle, even if it is a new platform One of the few things that is easier working in a rigid corporate environment --- Mogens_Nørgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's one thing that IBM can do, which Microsoft and Oracle can't offer: They do site licenses as well as cpu and user licensing. That just gives them an incredible advantage to management and others who can stop thinking about whether they should buy another server, move stuff from one server to the other, etc. I can't believe Oracle and Microsoft are not doing it (I think I can guess, but it's still not good). Mladen Gogala wrote: I believe that the answer to Stephane's question is obvious: Oracle 10g will cost 10 grands/ CPU. That's where the letter g is coming from. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stephane We've been very excited about Oracle Standard Edition. Helped stave off the interest in MS SQL. Given the budget pressures at many organizations, I'm surprised we don't hear more about this alternative. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi all, We're an Oracle shop, over 140 Oracle instances. Today, architecture has chosen IBM DB2 for BI projects. The next step I guessed will be to choose DB2 for the new transactionnal applications also. IBM offers DB2
RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
Did they get a 75% discount?if not shame on the manager :) brian -Original Message- Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 7:49 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle does site licensing... but only if you are a very very large corporation. Citibank (when I worked there) had one. The company I work for now has one. So I don't ask do we have a license when I want to install a new version of Oracle, even if it is a new platform One of the few things that is easier working in a rigid corporate environment --- Mogens_Nørgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's one thing that IBM can do, which Microsoft and Oracle can't offer: They do site licenses as well as cpu and user licensing. That just gives them an incredible advantage to management and others who can stop thinking about whether they should buy another server, move stuff from one server to the other, etc. I can't believe Oracle and Microsoft are not doing it (I think I can guess, but it's still not good). Mladen Gogala wrote: I believe that the answer to Stephane's question is obvious: Oracle 10g will cost 10 grands/ CPU. That's where the letter g is coming from. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stephane We've been very excited about Oracle Standard Edition. Helped stave off the interest in MS SQL. Given the budget pressures at many organizations, I'm surprised we don't hear more about this alternative. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi all, We're an Oracle shop, over 140 Oracle instances. Today, architecture has chosen IBM DB2 for BI projects. The next step I guessed will be to choose DB2 for the new transactionnal applications also. IBM offers DB2 at 25% less than Oracle. I wonder if Oracle 10G will come with a new pricing structure ? Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tel. (514) 499-7999 7470 and (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mogens_N=F8rgaard?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Spears, Brian INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
All servers are running IBM Aix here, so I hope DB2 UDB will work correctly. For the price, IBM is giving us 25% cheaper any Oracle price. The database will be bundled with all IBM's BI software. On the negative side, DB2 has not a big and accessible community like Oracle. On the web you can find a lot of good Oracle sites (orapub, hotsos, Steve Adams, J lewis, Miracleas,...) and this list , with DB2 the community is way smaller. Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tel. (514) 499-7999 7470 and (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Ryan Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 2:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L how does DB2 compare to oracle cost wise? what about hard ware? does db2 require more hard ware than oracle does? how does its features compare? - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 2:24 PM One of my previous employers had a site license. Not a huge site, but not too small either. About 5000 employees, lots of IT in that business. Not only a site license, but a 72% discount. We had a *good* negotiator. Jared On Sun, 2003-09-07 at 00:34, Mogens Nrgaard wrote: There's one thing that IBM can do, which Microsoft and Oracle can't offer: They do site licenses as well as cpu and user licensing. That just gives them an incredible advantage to management and others who can stop thinking about whether they should buy another server, move stuff from one server to the other, etc. I can't believe Oracle and Microsoft are not doing it (I think I can guess, but it's still not good). Mladen Gogala wrote: I believe that the answer to Stephane's question is obvious: Oracle 10g will cost 10 grands/ CPU. That's where the letter g is coming from. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stephane We've been very excited about Oracle Standard Edition. Helped stave off the interest in MS SQL. Given the budget pressures at many organizations, I'm surprised we don't hear more about this alternative. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi all, We're an Oracle shop, over 140 Oracle instances. Today, architecture has chosen IBM DB2 for BI projects. The next step I guessed will be to choose DB2 for the new transactionnal applications also. IBM offers DB2 at 25% less than Oracle. I wonder if Oracle 10G will come with a new pricing structure ? Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tel. (514) 499-7999 7470 and (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mogens_N=F8rgaard?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Ryan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name
RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
I had a 3 day training last year on db2 udb 7.2 when we were looking at it for a Siebel project who died. Yes, DB2 is not as Oracle who works the same on all platforms. I found db2 udb 7.2 missing basic functionnalities like there is no truncate table, you had to use the DB2 loader and load /dev/null in order to empty/truncate a table... The only time I used Oracle on different platforms was a while ago when we were using SQL*Forms 2.3 on DOS / Oracle 5 then moving the code to Oracle/MVS. Stephane -Original Message- Ryan Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 9:34 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L have you used DB2? How does it compare to Oracle? Ive seen tom kyte write that each platform that DB2 runs on is in essence a different database and you cant take code from one platform and move it to another. are the features comparable? what about cost? - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 8:54 AM VERY interesting. They refused to do site licensing at a 2 installation here. Thank you for this tip. Rachel Carmichael wrote: Oracle does site licensing... but only if you are a very very large corporation. Citibank (when I worked there) had one. The company I work for now has one. So I don't ask do we have a license when I want to install a new version of Oracle, even if it is a new platform One of the few things that is easier working in a rigid corporate environment --- Mogens_Nørgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's one thing that IBM can do, which Microsoft and Oracle can't offer: They do site licenses as well as cpu and user licensing. That just gives them an incredible advantage to management and others who can stop thinking about whether they should buy another server, move stuff from one server to the other, etc. I can't believe Oracle and Microsoft are not doing it (I think I can guess, but it's still not good). Mladen Gogala wrote: I believe that the answer to Stephane's question is obvious: Oracle 10g will cost 10 grands/ CPU. That's where the letter g is coming from. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stephane We've been very excited about Oracle Standard Edition. Helped stave off the interest in MS SQL. Given the budget pressures at many organizations, I'm surprised we don't hear more about this alternative. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi all, We're an Oracle shop, over 140 Oracle instances. Today, architecture has chosen IBM DB2 for BI projects. The next step I guessed will be to choose DB2 for the new transactionnal applications also. IBM offers DB2 at 25% less than Oracle. I wonder if Oracle 10G will come with a new pricing structure ? Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tel. (514) 499-7999 7470 and (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mogens_N=F8rgaard?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mogens_N=F8rgaard?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Ryan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services--
RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
I believe they did actually. which gives you an idea of what the market will bear if Oracle can give that large a discount --- Spears, Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did they get a 75% discount?if not shame on the manager :) brian -Original Message- Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 7:49 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle does site licensing... but only if you are a very very large corporation. Citibank (when I worked there) had one. The company I work for now has one. So I don't ask do we have a license when I want to install a new version of Oracle, even if it is a new platform One of the few things that is easier working in a rigid corporate environment --- Mogens_Nørgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's one thing that IBM can do, which Microsoft and Oracle can't offer: They do site licenses as well as cpu and user licensing. That just gives them an incredible advantage to management and others who can stop thinking about whether they should buy another server, move stuff from one server to the other, etc. I can't believe Oracle and Microsoft are not doing it (I think I can guess, but it's still not good). Mladen Gogala wrote: I believe that the answer to Stephane's question is obvious: Oracle 10g will cost 10 grands/ CPU. That's where the letter g is coming from. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stephane We've been very excited about Oracle Standard Edition. Helped stave off the interest in MS SQL. Given the budget pressures at many organizations, I'm surprised we don't hear more about this alternative. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi all, We're an Oracle shop, over 140 Oracle instances. Today, architecture has chosen IBM DB2 for BI projects. The next step I guessed will be to choose DB2 for the new transactionnal applications also. IBM offers DB2 at 25% less than Oracle. I wonder if Oracle 10G will come with a new pricing structure ? Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tel. (514) 499-7999 7470 and (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mogens_N=F8rgaard?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Spears, Brian INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net --
RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
Mogens wrote from IBM whitepapers: If you want to have a portable application, you should probably choose one of the category II databases . . . I nearly fell off my chair laughing. There are some political leaders that could use a marketing person with that finesse. Thanks for brightening a Monday morning. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 12:09 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Cost is the easy one. They run comparable to Microsoft or thereabout. They have various options I haven't looked at yet, that might make them more expensive than that. The DB2 on mainframes and the DB2 on Unix, for instance, were written by different teams. Which might explain why they didn't port the time-based instrumentation from the mainframe environment to the Unix port. So yeah, you probably can't just take code and move it. They have a pretty good porting tool between Oracle and DB2, though. We thought that was rather neat when we ran it against one of our customer's database definitions. The PL/SQL conversion came out alright, too, although there of course are things they can't do and vice versa. Broadly speaking, I think you can divide the databases of the world into three categories: 1. Oracle, with very good locking strategies, very good read consistency model, very good performance measurement instrumentation (time-based). 2. Other relational databases such as DB2, Sybase, SQL Server, Informix, etc. where they all share the same (to us Oracle-techies) strange locking philosophy, the same consistency model where you have to code more, and no wait-interface. 3. The rest. re 2: The locking philosophy difference means that you can still have readers block writers and writers block readers, unless you specifically handle how to do it on the transactional level. This explains why cloning databases for reporting purposes is so popular with other databases compared to the Oracle world :). IBM has pointed out in various whitepapers something which to us doesn't make sense, but which might make sense to others: If you want to have a portable application, you should probably choose one of the category II databases, since they're all pretty much alike in their behaviour on the important aspects of locking and read consistency. If you have to go to or from Oracle to or from another database, you'd have to change code a good deal or live with non-optimal conditions after the migration. Mogens Tom Ryan wrote: have you used DB2? How does it compare to Oracle? Ive seen tom kyte write that each platform that DB2 runs on is in essence a different database and you cant take code from one platform and move it to another. are the features comparable? what about cost? - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 8:54 AM VERY interesting. They refused to do site licensing at a 2 installation here. Thank you for this tip. Rachel Carmichael wrote: Oracle does site licensing... but only if you are a very very large corporation. Citibank (when I worked there) had one. The company I work for now has one. So I don't ask do we have a license when I want to install a new version of Oracle, even if it is a new platform One of the few things that is easier working in a rigid corporate environment --- Mogens_Nørgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's one thing that IBM can do, which Microsoft and Oracle can't offer: They do site licenses as well as cpu and user licensing. That just gives them an incredible advantage to management and others who can stop thinking about whether they should buy another server, move stuff from one server to the other, etc. I can't believe Oracle and Microsoft are not doing it (I think I can guess, but it's still not good). Mladen Gogala wrote: I believe that the answer to Stephane's question is obvious: Oracle 10g will cost 10 grands/ CPU. That's where the letter g is coming from. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stephane We've been very excited about Oracle Standard Edition. Helped stave off the interest in MS SQL. Given the budget pressures at many organizations, I'm surprised we don't hear more about this alternative. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi all, We're an Oracle shop, over 140 Oracle instances. Today, architecture has chosen IBM DB2 for BI projects. The next step I guessed will be to choose DB2 for the new transactionnal applications also. IBM offers DB2 at 25% less than
RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
Stephan, There have already been a pile of replies to your statements, which are all true, but one does get left out. You get DB2 at 25% off because there's 50% less in there. If you like OEM and/or the management server, forget it. You have to buy it elsewhere, and I believe CA has the best one out there at 200% the cost. On the other hand, Oracle really does have to do something to get rid of the Platinum plated label. Their emphasis on using SE vs. EE has been pretty strong lately. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi all, We're an Oracle shop, over 140 Oracle instances. Today, architecture has chosen IBM DB2 for BI projects. The next step I guessed will be to choose DB2 for the new transactionnal applications also. IBM offers DB2 at 25% less than Oracle. I wonder if Oracle 10G will come with a new pricing structure ? Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tel. (514) 499-7999 7470 and (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephane Paquette INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: DB2 has a foot in the door
Yeah, it's rather cool to read. I think it was Connor who originally forwarded them to the OakTable list. But we ran into one example where it made sense: A customer needed to move an application from Sybase to either Oracle og SQL Server. Well, it was way easier to move the Transact SQL (or whatever their PL/SQL-like thing is called) from Sybase to SQL Server because of their common heritage. Moving it to Oracle would have meant a good deal of re-coding. DENNIS WILLIAMS wrote: Mogens wrote from IBM whitepapers: If you want to have a portable application, you should probably choose one of the category II databases . . . I nearly fell off my chair laughing. There are some political leaders that could use a marketing person with that finesse. Thanks for brightening a Monday morning. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 12:09 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Cost is the easy one. They run comparable to Microsoft or thereabout. They have various options I haven't looked at yet, that might make them more expensive than that. The DB2 on mainframes and the DB2 on Unix, for instance, were written by different teams. Which might explain why they didn't port the time-based instrumentation from the mainframe environment to the Unix port. So yeah, you probably can't just take code and move it. They have a pretty good porting tool between Oracle and DB2, though. We thought that was rather neat when we ran it against one of our customer's database definitions. The PL/SQL conversion came out alright, too, although there of course are things they can't do and vice versa. Broadly speaking, I think you can divide the databases of the world into three categories: 1. Oracle, with very good locking strategies, very good read consistency model, very good performance measurement instrumentation (time-based). 2. Other relational databases such as DB2, Sybase, SQL Server, Informix, etc. where they all share the same (to us Oracle-techies) strange locking philosophy, the same consistency model where you have to code more, and no wait-interface. 3. The rest. re 2: The locking philosophy difference means that you can still have readers block writers and writers block readers, unless you specifically handle how to do it on the transactional level. This explains why cloning databases for reporting purposes is so popular with other databases compared to the Oracle world :). IBM has pointed out in various whitepapers something which to us doesn't make sense, but which might make sense to others: If you want to have a portable application, you should probably choose one of the category II databases, since they're all pretty much alike in their behaviour on the important aspects of locking and read consistency. If you have to go to or from Oracle to or from another database, you'd have to change code a good deal or live with non-optimal conditions after the migration. Mogens Tom Ryan wrote: have you used DB2? How does it compare to Oracle? Ive seen tom kyte write that each platform that DB2 runs on is in essence a different database and you cant take code from one platform and move it to another. are the features comparable? what about cost? - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 8:54 AM VERY interesting. They refused to do site licensing at a 2 installation here. Thank you for this tip. Rachel Carmichael wrote: Oracle does site licensing... but only if you are a very very large corporation. Citibank (when I worked there) had one. The company I work for now has one. So I don't ask do we have a license when I want to install a new version of Oracle, even if it is a new platform One of the few things that is easier working in a rigid corporate environment --- Mogens_Nørgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's one thing that IBM can do, which Microsoft and Oracle can't offer: They do site licenses as well as cpu and user licensing. That just gives them an incredible advantage to management and others who can stop thinking about whether they should buy another server, move stuff from one server to the other, etc. I can't believe Oracle and Microsoft are not doing it (I think I can guess, but it's still not good). Mladen Gogala wrote: I believe that the answer to Stephane's question is obvious: Oracle 10g will cost 10 grands/ CPU. That's where the letter g is coming from. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stephane We've been very excited about Oracle Standard Edition. Helped stave off the interest in MS SQL. Given the budget pressures at many
Re: DB2 has a foot in the door
There's one thing that IBM can do, which Microsoft and Oracle can't offer: They do site licenses as well as cpu and user licensing. That just gives them an incredible advantage to management and others who can stop thinking about whether they should buy another server, move stuff from one server to the other, etc. I can't believe Oracle and Microsoft are not doing it (I think I can guess, but it's still not good). Mladen Gogala wrote: I believe that the answer to Stephane's question is obvious: Oracle 10g will cost 10 grands/ CPU. That's where the letter g is coming from. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stephane We've been very excited about Oracle Standard Edition. Helped stave off the interest in MS SQL. Given the budget pressures at many organizations, I'm surprised we don't hear more about this alternative. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi all, We're an Oracle shop, over 140 Oracle instances. Today, architecture has chosen IBM DB2 for BI projects. The next step I guessed will be to choose DB2 for the new transactionnal applications also. IBM offers DB2 at 25% less than Oracle. I wonder if Oracle 10G will come with a new pricing structure ? Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tel. (514) 499-7999 7470 and (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mogens_N=F8rgaard?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: DB2 has a foot in the door
Oracle does site licensing... but only if you are a very very large corporation. Citibank (when I worked there) had one. The company I work for now has one. So I don't ask do we have a license when I want to install a new version of Oracle, even if it is a new platform One of the few things that is easier working in a rigid corporate environment --- Mogens_Nørgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's one thing that IBM can do, which Microsoft and Oracle can't offer: They do site licenses as well as cpu and user licensing. That just gives them an incredible advantage to management and others who can stop thinking about whether they should buy another server, move stuff from one server to the other, etc. I can't believe Oracle and Microsoft are not doing it (I think I can guess, but it's still not good). Mladen Gogala wrote: I believe that the answer to Stephane's question is obvious: Oracle 10g will cost 10 grands/ CPU. That's where the letter g is coming from. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stephane We've been very excited about Oracle Standard Edition. Helped stave off the interest in MS SQL. Given the budget pressures at many organizations, I'm surprised we don't hear more about this alternative. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi all, We're an Oracle shop, over 140 Oracle instances. Today, architecture has chosen IBM DB2 for BI projects. The next step I guessed will be to choose DB2 for the new transactionnal applications also. IBM offers DB2 at 25% less than Oracle. I wonder if Oracle 10G will come with a new pricing structure ? Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tel. (514) 499-7999 7470 and (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mogens_N=F8rgaard?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: DB2 has a foot in the door
VERY interesting. They refused to do site licensing at a 2 installation here. Thank you for this tip. Rachel Carmichael wrote: Oracle does site licensing... but only if you are a very very large corporation. Citibank (when I worked there) had one. The company I work for now has one. So I don't ask do we have a license when I want to install a new version of Oracle, even if it is a new platform One of the few things that is easier working in a rigid corporate environment --- Mogens_Nørgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's one thing that IBM can do, which Microsoft and Oracle can't offer: They do site licenses as well as cpu and user licensing. That just gives them an incredible advantage to management and others who can stop thinking about whether they should buy another server, move stuff from one server to the other, etc. I can't believe Oracle and Microsoft are not doing it (I think I can guess, but it's still not good). Mladen Gogala wrote: I believe that the answer to Stephane's question is obvious: Oracle 10g will cost 10 grands/ CPU. That's where the letter g is coming from. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stephane We've been very excited about Oracle Standard Edition. Helped stave off the interest in MS SQL. Given the budget pressures at many organizations, I'm surprised we don't hear more about this alternative. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi all, We're an Oracle shop, over 140 Oracle instances. Today, architecture has chosen IBM DB2 for BI projects. The next step I guessed will be to choose DB2 for the new transactionnal applications also. IBM offers DB2 at 25% less than Oracle. I wonder if Oracle 10G will come with a new pricing structure ? Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tel. (514) 499-7999 7470 and (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mogens_N=F8rgaard?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mogens_N=F8rgaard?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: DB2 has a foot in the door
have you used DB2? How does it compare to Oracle? Ive seen tom kyte write that each platform that DB2 runs on is in essence a different database and you cant take code from one platform and move it to another. are the features comparable? what about cost? - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 8:54 AM VERY interesting. They refused to do site licensing at a 2 installation here. Thank you for this tip. Rachel Carmichael wrote: Oracle does site licensing... but only if you are a very very large corporation. Citibank (when I worked there) had one. The company I work for now has one. So I don't ask do we have a license when I want to install a new version of Oracle, even if it is a new platform One of the few things that is easier working in a rigid corporate environment --- Mogens_Nørgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's one thing that IBM can do, which Microsoft and Oracle can't offer: They do site licenses as well as cpu and user licensing. That just gives them an incredible advantage to management and others who can stop thinking about whether they should buy another server, move stuff from one server to the other, etc. I can't believe Oracle and Microsoft are not doing it (I think I can guess, but it's still not good). Mladen Gogala wrote: I believe that the answer to Stephane's question is obvious: Oracle 10g will cost 10 grands/ CPU. That's where the letter g is coming from. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stephane We've been very excited about Oracle Standard Edition. Helped stave off the interest in MS SQL. Given the budget pressures at many organizations, I'm surprised we don't hear more about this alternative. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi all, We're an Oracle shop, over 140 Oracle instances. Today, architecture has chosen IBM DB2 for BI projects. The next step I guessed will be to choose DB2 for the new transactionnal applications also. IBM offers DB2 at 25% less than Oracle. I wonder if Oracle 10G will come with a new pricing structure ? Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tel. (514) 499-7999 7470 and (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mogens_N=F8rgaard?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mogens_N=F8rgaard?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Ryan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: DB2 has a foot in the door
been too long since I've done any DB2 work for me to remember it.. I was barely involved in the work then, primarily the Oracle DBA. As for the site licenses... these are likely to have been in place for a LONG time (I left Citibank in '98) and the company I work for now has been around for a lot of years. I suppose it's possible they don't do them anymore, but since they are already in place, they have to keep it going. --- Ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: have you used DB2? How does it compare to Oracle? Ive seen tom kyte write that each platform that DB2 runs on is in essence a different database and you cant take code from one platform and move it to another. are the features comparable? what about cost? - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 8:54 AM VERY interesting. They refused to do site licensing at a 2 installation here. Thank you for this tip. Rachel Carmichael wrote: Oracle does site licensing... but only if you are a very very large corporation. Citibank (when I worked there) had one. The company I work for now has one. So I don't ask do we have a license when I want to install a new version of Oracle, even if it is a new platform One of the few things that is easier working in a rigid corporate environment --- Mogens_Nørgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's one thing that IBM can do, which Microsoft and Oracle can't offer: They do site licenses as well as cpu and user licensing. That just gives them an incredible advantage to management and others who can stop thinking about whether they should buy another server, move stuff from one server to the other, etc. I can't believe Oracle and Microsoft are not doing it (I think I can guess, but it's still not good). Mladen Gogala wrote: I believe that the answer to Stephane's question is obvious: Oracle 10g will cost 10 grands/ CPU. That's where the letter g is coming from. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stephane We've been very excited about Oracle Standard Edition. Helped stave off the interest in MS SQL. Given the budget pressures at many organizations, I'm surprised we don't hear more about this alternative. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi all, We're an Oracle shop, over 140 Oracle instances. Today, architecture has chosen IBM DB2 for BI projects. The next step I guessed will be to choose DB2 for the new transactionnal applications also. IBM offers DB2 at 25% less than Oracle. I wonder if Oracle 10G will come with a new pricing structure ? Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tel. (514) 499-7999 7470 and (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mogens_N=F8rgaard?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mogens_N=F8rgaard?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Ryan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat
Re: DB2 has a foot in the door
One of my previous employers had a site license. Not a huge site, but not too small either. About 5000 employees, lots of IT in that business. Not only a site license, but a 72% discount. We had a *good* negotiator. Jared On Sun, 2003-09-07 at 00:34, Mogens Nrgaard wrote: There's one thing that IBM can do, which Microsoft and Oracle can't offer: They do site licenses as well as cpu and user licensing. That just gives them an incredible advantage to management and others who can stop thinking about whether they should buy another server, move stuff from one server to the other, etc. I can't believe Oracle and Microsoft are not doing it (I think I can guess, but it's still not good). Mladen Gogala wrote: I believe that the answer to Stephane's question is obvious: Oracle 10g will cost 10 grands/ CPU. That's where the letter g is coming from. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stephane We've been very excited about Oracle Standard Edition. Helped stave off the interest in MS SQL. Given the budget pressures at many organizations, I'm surprised we don't hear more about this alternative. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi all, We're an Oracle shop, over 140 Oracle instances. Today, architecture has chosen IBM DB2 for BI projects. The next step I guessed will be to choose DB2 for the new transactionnal applications also. IBM offers DB2 at 25% less than Oracle. I wonder if Oracle 10G will come with a new pricing structure ? Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tel. (514) 499-7999 7470 and (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mogens_N=F8rgaard?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: DB2 has a foot in the door
how does DB2 compare to oracle cost wise? what about hard ware? does db2 require more hard ware than oracle does? how does its features compare? - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 2:24 PM One of my previous employers had a site license. Not a huge site, but not too small either. About 5000 employees, lots of IT in that business. Not only a site license, but a 72% discount. We had a *good* negotiator. Jared On Sun, 2003-09-07 at 00:34, Mogens Nrgaard wrote: There's one thing that IBM can do, which Microsoft and Oracle can't offer: They do site licenses as well as cpu and user licensing. That just gives them an incredible advantage to management and others who can stop thinking about whether they should buy another server, move stuff from one server to the other, etc. I can't believe Oracle and Microsoft are not doing it (I think I can guess, but it's still not good). Mladen Gogala wrote: I believe that the answer to Stephane's question is obvious: Oracle 10g will cost 10 grands/ CPU. That's where the letter g is coming from. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stephane We've been very excited about Oracle Standard Edition. Helped stave off the interest in MS SQL. Given the budget pressures at many organizations, I'm surprised we don't hear more about this alternative. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi all, We're an Oracle shop, over 140 Oracle instances. Today, architecture has chosen IBM DB2 for BI projects. The next step I guessed will be to choose DB2 for the new transactionnal applications also. IBM offers DB2 at 25% less than Oracle. I wonder if Oracle 10G will come with a new pricing structure ? Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tel. (514) 499-7999 7470 and (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mogens_N=F8rgaard?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Ryan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: DB2 has a foot in the door
Cost is the easy one. They run comparable to Microsoft or thereabout. They have various options I haven't looked at yet, that might make them more expensive than that. The DB2 on mainframes and the DB2 on Unix, for instance, were written by different teams. Which might explain why they didn't port the time-based instrumentation from the mainframe environment to the Unix port. So yeah, you probably can't just take code and move it. They have a pretty good porting tool between Oracle and DB2, though. We thought that was rather neat when we ran it against one of our customer's database definitions. The PL/SQL conversion came out alright, too, although there of course are things they can't do and vice versa. Broadly speaking, I think you can divide the databases of the world into three categories: 1. Oracle, with very good locking strategies, very good read consistency model, very good performance measurement instrumentation (time-based). 2. Other relational databases such as DB2, Sybase, SQL Server, Informix, etc. where they all share the same (to us Oracle-techies) strange locking philosophy, the same consistency model where you have to code more, and no wait-interface. 3. The rest. re 2: The locking philosophy difference means that you can still have readers block writers and writers block readers, unless you specifically handle how to do it on the transactional level. This explains why cloning databases for reporting purposes is so popular with other databases compared to the Oracle world :). IBM has pointed out in various whitepapers something which to us doesn't make sense, but which might make sense to others: If you want to have a portable application, you should probably choose one of the category II databases, since they're all pretty much alike in their behaviour on the important aspects of locking and read consistency. If you have to go to or from Oracle to or from another database, you'd have to change code a good deal or live with non-optimal conditions after the migration. Mogens Tom Ryan wrote: have you used DB2? How does it compare to Oracle? Ive seen tom kyte write that each platform that DB2 runs on is in essence a different database and you cant take code from one platform and move it to another. are the features comparable? what about cost? - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 8:54 AM VERY interesting. They refused to do site licensing at a 2 installation here. Thank you for this tip. Rachel Carmichael wrote: Oracle does site licensing... but only if you are a very very large corporation. Citibank (when I worked there) had one. The company I work for now has one. So I don't ask do we have a license when I want to install a new version of Oracle, even if it is a new platform One of the few things that is easier working in a rigid corporate environment --- Mogens_Nørgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's one thing that IBM can do, which Microsoft and Oracle can't offer: They do site licenses as well as cpu and user licensing. That just gives them an incredible advantage to management and others who can stop thinking about whether they should buy another server, move stuff from one server to the other, etc. I can't believe Oracle and Microsoft are not doing it (I think I can guess, but it's still not good). Mladen Gogala wrote: I believe that the answer to Stephane's question is obvious: Oracle 10g will cost 10 grands/ CPU. That's where the letter g is coming from. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stephane We've been very excited about Oracle Standard Edition. Helped stave off the interest in MS SQL. Given the budget pressures at many organizations, I'm surprised we don't hear more about this alternative. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi all, We're an Oracle shop, over 140 Oracle instances. Today, architecture has chosen IBM DB2 for BI projects. The next step I guessed will be to choose DB2 for the new transactionnal applications also. IBM offers DB2 at 25% less than Oracle. I wonder if Oracle 10G will come with a new pricing structure ? Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tel. (514) 499-7999 7470 and (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mogens_N=F8rgaard?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California
RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
Stephane We've been very excited about Oracle Standard Edition. Helped stave off the interest in MS SQL. Given the budget pressures at many organizations, I'm surprised we don't hear more about this alternative. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi all, We're an Oracle shop, over 140 Oracle instances. Today, architecture has chosen IBM DB2 for BI projects. The next step I guessed will be to choose DB2 for the new transactionnal applications also. IBM offers DB2 at 25% less than Oracle. I wonder if Oracle 10G will come with a new pricing structure ? Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tel. (514) 499-7999 7470 and (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephane Paquette INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
I believe that the answer to Stephane's question is obvious: Oracle 10g will cost 10 grands/ CPU. That's where the letter g is coming from. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stephane We've been very excited about Oracle Standard Edition. Helped stave off the interest in MS SQL. Given the budget pressures at many organizations, I'm surprised we don't hear more about this alternative. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi all, We're an Oracle shop, over 140 Oracle instances. Today, architecture has chosen IBM DB2 for BI projects. The next step I guessed will be to choose DB2 for the new transactionnal applications also. IBM offers DB2 at 25% less than Oracle. I wonder if Oracle 10G will come with a new pricing structure ? Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tel. (514) 499-7999 7470 and (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephane Paquette INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
