Re:RE: Re: A STRANGE QUERY
Thanks Brad, Thanks Steve, The problem fixed after our DBA drop and rebuild the primary key. It is so great to have people like you on this list. Thanks again, -- Original Message Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 08:59:24 -0800 At first stab...I would guess that there is something foobarred with the primary key index. I would rebuild the primary key and try again. Brad O. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 4:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L It is not an expensive query.It runs really fast without the primary key in production but we dont have this problem in the test instance. -- Original Message Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:04:42 -0800 Even stranger is, that you expect us to solve your problem without knowing what exactly the problem is! Does your query consist of a SQL statement? Does it have an execution plan? Very strange, indeed. Tanel. Dear List, I have a very strange query: The table, data, indexes, constraints are set up exactly same The query was running ok in the test database but paused the production system. It is also running ok in production if the primary key disabled. Any ideas? Any input will be greatly appreciated. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Tanel Poder INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com Looking for friendships,romance and more? http://www.MyOwnFriends.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: system manager INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Odland, Brad INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com Looking for friendships,romance and more? http://www.MyOwnFriends.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: system manager INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:Re: A STRANGE QUERY
It is not an expensive query.It runs really fast without the primary key in production but we dont have this problem in the test instance. -- Original Message Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:04:42 -0800 Even stranger is, that you expect us to solve your problem without knowing what exactly the problem is! Does your query consist of a SQL statement? Does it have an execution plan? Very strange, indeed. Tanel. Dear List, I have a very strange query: The table, data, indexes, constraints are set up exactly same The query was running ok in the test database but paused the production system. It is also running ok in production if the primary key disabled. Any ideas? Any input will be greatly appreciated. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Tanel Poder INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com Looking for friendships,romance and more? http://www.MyOwnFriends.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: system manager INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:Re: recreate constraints script - URGENT
Thanks Ron, I got this recreate constraints script from our list but lost it.It was really good script and it can re-generate all the constraints under a schema owner. -- Original Message Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 12:14:26 -0800 dba_constraint will inform you of the tables that have constraints and what type of constraint they are. Further digging into the dba_ tables will provide the information you desire. Keep the scripts as part of the database documentation and update when needed. Third party software can provide the scripts for the entire database. Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/30/2003 2:24:25 PM Dear all, I have a script to generate constraints for a single table but I need a script to generate constraints for a schema owner . Can anyone send me a copy? Many thanks, _ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com Looking for friendships,romance and more? http://www.MyOwnFriends.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: system manager INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Ron Rogers INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com Looking for friendships,romance and more? http://www.MyOwnFriends.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: system manager INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:RE: recreate constraints script - URGENT
Thanks Rajendra, Good idea but I have 1200 tables :(I got a good script from our list long time ago but lost it.That script can capiture constraints for the schema owner. -- Original Message Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 11:39:26 -0800 run the same script for every table for the schema owner and spool everything to the same file ... there you have it. Raj --- - Rajendra dot Jamadagni at nospamespn dot com All Views expressed in this email are strictly personal. QOTD: Any clod can have facts, having an opinion is an art ! -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 2:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dear all, I have a script to generate constraints for a single table but I need a script to generate constraints for a schema owner . Can anyone send me a copy? Many thanks, _ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com Looking for friendships,romance and more? http://www.MyOwnFriends.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: system manager INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jamadagni, Rajendra INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com Looking for friendships,romance and more? http://www.MyOwnFriends.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: system manager INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Re:Re: recreate constraints script - URGENT
There are probably such scripts in internet, or you can write your own in few minutes, but if you need it only once, then one easy way would be just to use TOAD (free/shareware ver) or similar tools to extract scripts of your constraints from database. Tanel. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 11:09 PM Thanks Ron, I got this recreate constraints script from our list but lost it.It was really good script and it can re-generate all the constraints under a schema owner. -- Original Message Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 12:14:26 -0800 dba_constraint will inform you of the tables that have constraints and what type of constraint they are. Further digging into the dba_ tables will provide the information you desire. Keep the scripts as part of the database documentation and update when needed. Third party software can provide the scripts for the entire database. Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/30/2003 2:24:25 PM Dear all, I have a script to generate constraints for a single table but I need a script to generate constraints for a schema owner . Can anyone send me a copy? Many thanks, _ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com Looking for friendships,romance and more? http://www.MyOwnFriends.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: system manager INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Ron Rogers INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com Looking for friendships,romance and more? http://www.MyOwnFriends.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: system manager INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Tanel Poder INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:Re: two oracle pl/sql programmers needed (50k/yr)
In Austin, Texas -- Original Message Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 06:14:30 -0800 System Manager: Where are these positions located geographically? Me - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 7:44 AM please send an email to me,if you're interested. _ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com Looking for friendships,romance and more? http://www.MyOwnFriends.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: system manager INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: KENNETH JANUSZ INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com Looking for friendships,romance and more? http://www.MyOwnFriends.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: system manager INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:RE: pl/sql engine doubt
c) Procedural part can be parsed either by an application tool or oracle kernel. The thing to watch for is the version of the PL/SQL engine embedded in the application tool. The ideal situation is when these two versions are the same. If they are not, life can get interesting. To put it MILDLY!!! Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Gogala; Mladen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 3/24/2003 7:08 AM Let me throw some shade onto the issue: a) PL/SQL engine does not execute SQL statements - ever. It passes them over to the SQL Executor engine. b) PL/SQL is just a procedural enclosure of the SQL language. There is another one: it's called Java. c) Procedural part can be parsed either by an application tool or oracle kernel. The thing to watch for is the version of the PL/SQL engine embedded in the application tool. The ideal situation is when these two versions are the same. If they are not, life can get interesting. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 4:29 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi List, I was going thru Oracle PL/SQL User's Guide and Reference. http://otn.oracle.com/docs/products/oracle9i/doc_library/release2/appdev.920 /a96624/01_oview.htm#962 Paragraphs below (near the Figure 1-4 PL/SQL Engine in the doc) confused me little. para1 --- These two environments are independent. PL/SQL is bundled with the Oracle server but might be unavailable in some tools. In either environment, the PL/SQL engine accepts as input any valid PL/SQL block or subprogram. Figure 1-4 shows the PL/SQL engine processing an anonymous block. The engine executes procedural statements but sends SQL statements to the SQL Statement Executor in the Oracle server. para2-- In the Oracle Database Server: Application development tools that lack a local PL/SQL engine must rely on Oracle to process PL/SQL blocks and subprograms. When it contains the PL/SQL engine, an Oracle server can process PL/SQL blocks and subprograms as well as single SQL statements. The Oracle server passes the blocks and subprograms to its local PL/SQL engine. Now my doubt is: 1.In para1 - Does pl/sql engine only processes the procedural statements and always passes SQL statements to SQL Statement Executor ? 2.In para2 sentence When it contains ... says Oracle pl/sql engine can process SQL statements. Statements in both paragraphs seems ambiguous. Pls shade some light. Thanks Sam __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: sam d INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:RE: Reorganizing tables
I've been told that there is no such thing as an 'unbalanced' B*+ index. The key values may be skewed due to being generated sequentially, but that's a data problem, not an unbalanced index. Rebuilding indexes can really kill performance at times since new index entries force lots of index block splits. Jared [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/24/2003 01:29 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re:RE: Reorganizing tables Dennis, I don't reorg tables for performance reasons. That strategy has been proved faulty more than once. Actually there is data out on the web that I've come across that points in the opposite direction. Rebuilding indexes many times improves performance by making the index more effective. A badly unbalanced index is nobodies friend. Now if your reorging for space management issues that's a whole new ballgame. Having multiple objects in a tablespace with different sized extents does make filling the datafile messy to say the least, therefore an occasional raking of the sandbox for this reason is reasonable. Just don't expect a performance gain. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 3/24/2003 12:53 PM Thanks Jared, Rachel, Tom, Dick, Prakash, Ron Excellent points. Very much appreciated. Unfortunately at this point people are asking but have you tested it?. So I need to construct some type of test that will demonstrate how much effect a reorg will have. After I've answered that question, then I can move on to some of the other issues that you mention. I have joked that if the results are strongly positive, they won't see me much after that because I'll be touring the world selling my performance solution that never occurred to anyone else. Our test system is cloned from an RMAN backup of production so the tables should be close to production. I'm thinking of creating a new table and copying the contents of a production table into it and then tracing full-table scans and comparing the results. Jared - is there a way to estimate block-level fragmentation? Comparing the average row length with the number of blocks used? Dennis Williams DBA, 40%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 2:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: DENNIS WILLIAMS Importance: High Dennis, Table reorgs can be useful when there is block level fragmentation, and you do a lot of FTS. eg. you have a table with 1000 blocks and all the data will actually fit in 500 blocks. It can also be useful for tables that change infrequently and are normally always sorted on the same keys. You can load them in sorted order, though at the moment I can't seem to recall how to do that. Probably other reasons as well. That said, I almost never do it myself, as I don't seem to have any problems that warrant it. Our previous SAP BASIS admin was *real* big on reorgs, though she wanted to do a whole tablespace at a time. I talked her out of it, or at least, she sensed that I wasn't very cooperative on that subject. :) Jared DENNIS WILLIAMS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/24/2003 09:38 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Reorganizing tables We have a new manager, and at his last employer the DBAs reorganize Oracle tables on a regular basis. I don't reorg tables on a regular basis. He is lobbying us to investigate this and test whether it would or wouldn't increase performance. We are on Oracle 8.1.6, Compaq Tru64, all tables are LMT with uniform extents. This is an OLTP system, but the users continue to add reports and the reports do quite a few full table scans. The reports are probably the critical performance issue at this time. - Do you do regular table reorgs? What benefit does that give you? - Are there any indicators of when a table reorg would be beneficial? - What sort of test would verify whether a table reorg changed performance? Dennis Williams DBA, 40%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see
Re:RE: Bind variable use in C++ SQL Calls
Well now, It's said you learn something new every day. Thanks Peter!!
Dick Goulet
Reply Separator
Author: Schauss; Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 3/21/2003 1:49 PM
There is an easier way to handle character strings in PRO*C:
EXEC SQL BEGIN DECLARE SECTION;
char stime[12];
EXEC SQL VAR stime is STRING(12);
EXEC SQL END DECLARE SECTION;
Now you can handle stime as a standard C, null terminated character
string.
HTH,
Peter Schauss
Northrop Grumman Corporation
-Original Message-
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 2:31 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Karen,
I'm far from a pro at C++ also, haven't found a good reason to use it
anyway
as anything you want to do in C++ is also just as easily (if not more so) in
plain old C. I characterize C++ as a language for old Cobol programers who
are
sorry the verboseness of that language is dying. Anyway, to make use of
bind
variables which can also be called host variables they need to make a few
small
changes to their code. There's someone else out here who likes using the
OCI
approach to this, I prefer the PRO*C method. I do believe their somewhat
the
same although the code you provided tells me their probably using ODBC and
not a
direct Oracle connection. Now if you can convince them to go directly to
Oracle
and bypass ODBC that will buy them some additional performance as well.
Anyway
I digress. To use the host/bind variable method (in Pro*C):
First you need to declare the host variables:
EXEC SQL BEGIN DECLARE SECTION;
int ava_nodeid = 0;
int ava_wkday = 0;
VARCHAR ava_sdate[12];
VARCHAR ava_stime[9];
VARCHAR ava_serial[21];
char *s = NULL;
EXEC SQL END DECLARE SECTION;
Now you need to initialize those variables:
ava_nodeid = cAvalObject-cItemSerial;
ava_wkday = m_weekday;
strcpy(ava_sdate.arr, ConvertDateToODBCStr (pDatabase, m_sdatetime))
ava_sdate.len = strlen(ava_sdate.arr);
strcpy(ava_stime.arr, m_schartime);
ava_stime.len = strlen(ava_stime.arr);
Now directly using those variables:
EXEC SQL DECLARE A1 CURSOR FOR
SELECT AVA_SERIAL
FROM AVAMAS
WHERE AVA_TABNAME = 'sys_node'
ANDAVA_NODEID = :ava_nodeid
ANDAVA_WKDAY = :ava_wkday
ANDAVA_SDATE = :ava_sdate
ANDAVA_STIME = :ava_stime;
if(sqlca.sqlcode != 0) do_something();
EXEC SQL OPEN A1;
if(sqlca.sqlcode != 0) do_something();
do
{ EXEC SQL FETCH A1 INTO :ava_serial;
if(sqlca.sqlcode != 0) break;
else ava_serial.arr[ava_serial.len] = '\0';
Whatever_you_have_in_mind();
}while(sqlca.sqlcode == 0);
EXEC SQL CLOSE A1;
Now if you positively can't appreciate the above, try this:
char *stmt = SELECT AVA_SERIAL FROM avamas \
WHERE ava_tabname = 'sys_node' \
ANDava_nodeid = :1 \
ANDava_wkday = :2 \
ANDava_sdate = :3 \
ANDava_stime = :4 ;
s = stmt;
EXEC SQL PREPARE A1S FROM :s;
if(sqlca.sqlcode != 0) do_something();
EXEC SQL DECLARE A1 CURSOR FOR A1S;
if(sqlca.sqlcode != 0) do_something();
EXEC SQL OPEN A1 USING :ava_nodeid, :ava_wkday, :ava_sdate, :ava_stime;
if(sqlca.sqlcode != 0) do_something();
do
{ EXEC SQL FETCH A1 INTO :ava_serial;
if(sqlca.sqlcode != 0) break;
else ava_serial.arr[ava_serial.len] = '\0';
Whatever_you_have_in_mind();
}while(sqlca.sqlcode == 0);
EXEC SQL CLOSE A1;
Hope this helps!!
Dick Goulet
Reply Separator
Author: Karen Morton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 3/21/2003 10:14 AM
All,
I've got an application that does not use bind variables. The code is
written
in Microsoft Visual C++. I have no background with C++ and need some help
in
telling the developers how to use bind variables in their code (they don't
know and aren't sure how to find out). I pulled the following examples out
of
the code for different ways they execute SQL. If anyone can assist with
specific examples on how to rewrite this to use bind variables, it would be
immensely helpful.
Thanks,
Karen Morton
Samples
---
Mystring.Format(SELECT AVA_SERIAL FROM avamas \
WHERE ava_tabname = 'sys_node' \
ANDava_nodeid = %-d \
ANDava_wkday = %-d \
ANDava_sdate = %s \
ANDava_stime = '%-s',
cAvalObject-cItemSerial, m_weekday, ConvertDateToODBCStr (pDatabase,
m_sdatetime), m_schartime);
rSpanRecord.Open (CRecordset::forwardOnly, cSpanSelect);
if (rSpanRecord.IsEOF () == 0)
{ rSpanRecord.GetFieldValue (AVA_SERIAL, vCDBVariant);
m_serial = atol (ObjectConvert (vCDBVariant));
vCDBVariant.Clear ();
}
rSpanRecord.Close ();
CSysNumSet SysnumSet(pDatabase);
SysnumSet.m_TableParam = strFile;
SysnumSet.m_strFilter =
RE: Re:RE: Proc*C Errors
Oh Stephane, your such a woos. I absolutely hate the OCI interface, talk about a place to blow your head off! 99.9% of the time that the C compiler tosses a fur ball is something you've done in C that is wrong, although I'll admit is sometimes gets real hairy trying to find it. If the Proc precompiler yaks the fur ball your use of EXEC SQL is wrong and you can search the .lis file looking for the error which start either with 'ORA-' or 'PCC-'. Actually 60% of you errors in C will get caught by the precompiler, such as missing semi-colons and quote marks and commas. Even unbalanced braces get caught before you get to C. BTW: since we don't have the OS your using, on M$ the GUI will display the exact point where the precompiler is yacking in a pop-up when asked. But if you MUST use the OCI interface, please do. I have a bunch of folks here who swear by it, that is until they have to upgrade to a newer version of Oracle. Then they swear at it since it will take them a couple of weeks to edit out all of the no longer supported calls. While at the same time I'm up and running once again in a few hours. I've got two playtime programs that I originally wrote on Oracle 5. The Pro*C one has not changed a single byte still runs very nicely on 9i after a precompile compile. The OCI one has changed every time I've upgraded and this last upgrade took me a whole day to find all of the dead calls. UGLY! Dick Goulet :-). I must admit that I loved the Oracle7 OCIs (fortunately still available in the libraries) much more than the so called 'Oracle8' ones ... Functions which only take void * (or sometimes void **) pointers are not exactly a pleasure to work with, and I have a special vivid remembrance of the direct load interface where the data type is coded on 2 bytes in one function and 4 in another (passed as void *, of course, to be certain that the compiler sees nothing ... kind of stealth technology ...). Took 2 days to understand the core dump ... That said, for the weird stuff I affectionate (wildly multithreaded fully dynamic things where I need to keep close control on memory) OCIs are hard to beat, once of course you have set-up your own, clean, building blocks. And concerning portability, my experience is a bit different. I have precisely initially switched to the OCIs (never practiced HLI, this still were my Pro*C days) out of frustration with the makefiles at some change of pcc release. Desupported functions survive longer than documented. Regards, Stephane Faroult Oriole -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephane Faroult INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:RE: How to run sql*plus and its command in Windows as b
Thom, If your going to go to all that trouble, why not simply create a .sql file call it on the command line. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Mercadante; Thomas F [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 3/20/2003 4:53 AM Chuan, What I do is the following: set DBA_TEMP=\sometempdirectory echo connect test/test %DBA_TEMP%\run.sql echo alter sesion set sql_trace=true%DBA_TEMP%\run.sql echo select count(*) from product_temp p, invoice_temp i %DBA_TEMP%\run.sql echo where p.invpsid=i.invoiceid; %DBA_TEMP%\run.sql echo disconnect %DBA_TEMP%\run.sql echo exit %DBA_TEMP%\run.sql $ORACLE_HOME/bin/sqlplus /nolog @%DBA_TEMP%\run.sql del %DBA_TEMP%\run.sql just be aware of special characters that will not be echo'ed properly in NT scripting - thing like the | char will not work. You will need to escape these like this to get them to echo properly. echo select col1^|^|col2 from sometable; The advantage of this within NT bat files is that you can develop and use substitution characters inside the sql files. for example, if you wanted to spool a file where the name contains information from outside the Oracle session, you could do the following: set ORACLE_SID=WTWD echo spool %ORACLE_SID%_outfile.dat run.sql Hope this helps. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 10:19 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi, All, In unix, we can put following commands in a file and run that file. For example: $ORACLE_HOME/bin/sqlplus /nolog EOF connect test/test alter sesion set sql_trace=true select count(*) from product_temp p, invoice_temp i where p.invpsid=i.invoiceid; disconnect exit EOF What's the corresponding format on windows? Your input is precious, TIA Chuan -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Chuan Zhang INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mercadante, Thomas F INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:RE: Value of OCP
Good old Duct Tape, the handyman's secret weapon!! Reply Separator Author: Stephen Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 3/20/2003 6:34 AM -Original Message- Did you learn anything from the previous crash to prevent it from happening again? Yes. Duct tape the power cord to the floor. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephen Lee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:RE: Data Capture program
Santosh, If that's what your after I'd suggest you get into WEB development mode. Using Access means using ODBC which means installing the Oracle client. Take a look at ColdFusion, or 9IAS or some Java based approach. In any case your going to need a WEB server and browser on the client side. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Santosh Varma [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 3/19/2003 7:43 PM it is like this.. i want to create a data capture screen...and put the data in oracle database.. how to proceed with that ?? any solutions... it should not be like the client has to install some other software for this. using available resources itself, the client should be able to capture the details.. it can be through ms access etc. but the database is oracle 8.1.7 -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 8:31 PM To: Santosh Varma; Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Santosh, As one who has written a pile of these, you've left out a lot of details. The first question I would have is where is the data coming from and how is it being written. If the data is flat ASCII text, and is from a batch process SQL*Loader or an external table (9i V2) would be appropriate. There are also third party tools available to do the job, Data Junction comes to mind. The only other option would be a custom process. I've done all of the above. SQL*Loader has some limitations that may not make it useful. Data Junction has similar but not identical problems. Custom created processes are the most flexible but can take a while to create depending on what your trying to do. And if the data isn't ASCII text your most likely into custom. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Santosh Varma [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 3/19/2003 3:53 AM Hello list, I am in a project where the client wants a data capture program without any validation in any fields.. the back-end is Oracle 8.1.7. what is the best way to give the user the data capture program ? please provide me any solution as soon as possible. Thanks and regards, Santosh !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN HTMLHEAD META HTTP-EQUIV=Content-Type CONTENT=text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 META content=MSHTML 5.50.4134.600 name=GENERATOR/HEAD BODY style=BACKGROUND-POSITION: right bottom; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; BACKGROUND-IMAGE: url(http://skins.hotbar.com/skins/mailskins/st/093002/093002us_sunset.jpg); MARGIN: 3px 5px 90px 6px; COLOR: #22; BACKGROUND-REPEAT: repeat-x; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ff stationery_tag_mark hbtype=st ?bgcolor=#ff hmark=hotbar_element bmark=business_card!--mail_content--SPAN id=hotbar_element_used stationery_tag_mark DIVBRSPAN class=048554811-19032003/SPANHellonbsp;list,/DIV DIVnbsp;/DIV DIVSPAN class=048554811-19032003nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; I am in a project where the client wants a data capture program without any validation in any fields../SPAN/DIV DIVSPAN class=048554811-19032003the back-end is Oracle 8.1.7. what is the best way to give the user the data capture program ?/SPAN/DIV DIVSPAN class=048554811-19032003/SPANnbsp;/DIV DIVSPAN class=048554811-19032003please provide me any solution as soon as possible./SPAN/DIV DIVnbsp;/DIV DIVSPAN class=048554811-19032003/SPANSPAN class=048554811-19032003/SPANTSPAN class=048554811-19032003hanks and regards,/SPAN/DIV DIVSPAN class=048554811-19032003/SPANnbsp;/DIV DIVSPAN class=048554811-19032003Santosh/SPAN/DIV DIVBR/DIV/SPAN DIV id=hotbar_promoBR HR align=left width=100% color=gray noShade SIZE=1 A href=http://promos.hotbar.com/promos/promodll.dll?RunPromoamp;El=hotbar%5f elem ent%3bst%3bamp;SG=amp;RAND=52766IMG title= alt=Upgrade Your Email - Click here! src='http://promos.hotbar.com/promos/promodll.dll?GetPromoamp;El=hotbar%5fe leme nt%3bst%3bamp;SG=amp;RAND=52766' border=0/A /DIV/BODY/HTML -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Santosh Varma INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services
Re:RE: Proc*C Errors
Oh Stephane, your such a woos. I absolutely hate the OCI interface, talk about a place to blow your head off! 99.9% of the time that the C compiler tosses a fur ball is something you've done in C that is wrong, although I'll admit is sometimes gets real hairy trying to find it. If the Proc precompiler yaks the fur ball your use of EXEC SQL is wrong and you can search the .lis file looking for the error which start either with 'ORA-' or 'PCC-'. Actually 60% of you errors in C will get caught by the precompiler, such as missing semi-colons and quote marks and commas. Even unbalanced braces get caught before you get to C. BTW: since we don't have the OS your using, on M$ the GUI will display the exact point where the precompiler is yacking in a pop-up when asked. But if you MUST use the OCI interface, please do. I have a bunch of folks here who swear by it, that is until they have to upgrade to a newer version of Oracle. Then they swear at it since it will take them a couple of weeks to edit out all of the no longer supported calls. While at the same time I'm up and running once again in a few hours. I've got two playtime programs that I originally wrote on Oracle 5. The Pro*C one has not changed a single byte still runs very nicely on 9i after a precompile compile. The OCI one has changed every time I've upgraded and this last upgrade took me a whole day to find all of the dead calls. UGLY! Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Stephane Faroult [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 3/20/2003 12:33 AM My oracle using version is 8.0.0.5. Now , I'm programming proc . When I precompile them and fail. But I can't see what happened .and where the errors are. So I look carefully for errors in large file. Is there some way to show where the error is .and what the error is . Can you give me your hand . Thanks in advance! Do you get the error when you PREcompile (ie when you run pcc) or during the compile phase? I guess that a pcc error should be relatively explicit. It's a bit more difficult when the compiler finds the error, because the .c file which is in input of the compiler is pretty different from the .pc file you wrote. The C compiler should tell you where the error is - in the .c file. Edit the .c file, go to this line, if it's code you have written you should be able to recognize it and correct it in the .pc file, if it's code inserted by Oracle it probably means you have misused the precompiler. Scroll back till you find your EXEC SQL statement (commented in the .c file), then try to fix the .pc. All this explains why I have switched to OCIs some years ago. HTH, Stephane Faroult Oriole -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephane Faroult INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:RE: Value of OCP
I will admit to getting mine simply as part of an ego trip. I figured that after 15 years of being an developer/DBA with Oracle I should have one. Has it made a difference to my salary or employment potential? Not one bit. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 3/20/2003 9:24 AM I held out for 8 years as an Oracle DBA. I had been sent to training and interviewed Oracle DBA's and worked for Oracle as a DBA consultant w/o having the certification. It was based on my personal reputation, experience, network and interview. Those I believe still count more. However, in this tight IT market and with Oracle not doing altogether well in the RDBMS market it's all good. Just get it on the cheap I say. Also, it may be the tie breaker for a new job. I wouldn't expect reimbursement or automatic job raise on this alone with the market in IT being what it was. Plus I got annoyed with this being used to justify the invalid argument of a much less experienced, less talented person by a pointed-haired management type. Oracle OCP DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 1:36 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dang, I gotta get a copy of that report to my manager! After going through the 7.3, 8, 8i and 9i OCP AND the OCM, I don't think any of them got me a pay increase! ;) Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long-term Oracle DBA -Original Message- WILLIAMS Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 9:50 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Foote Partners surveys the value of certifications. They support that over the past two years, the OCP pay premium increased by nearly 40%. In the same period, the value of Microsoft MCP declined by nearly 60%. A good article on the value of certifications. http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,936853,00.asp I don't see where they included the Foote data online. It is in the eWeek magazine 3/17/03 edition, page 50. Dennis Williams DBA, 40%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dennis Williams DBA, 40%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Pete Sharman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN HTML HEAD META HTTP-EQUIV=Content-Type CONTENT=text/html; charset=US-ASCII META NAME=Generator CONTENT=MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2654.45 TITLERE: Value of OCP/TITLE /HEAD BODY PFONT SIZE=2I held out for 8 years as an Oracle DBA.nbsp; I had been sent to training and interviewed Oracle DBA's and worked for Oracle as a DBA consultant w/o having the certification.nbsp; It was based on my personal reputation, experience, network and interview.nbsp; Those I believe still count more.nbsp; However, in this tight IT market and with Oracle not doing altogether well in the RDBMS market it's all good.nbsp; Just get it on the cheap I say.nbsp; Also, it may be the tie breaker for a new job.nbsp; I wouldn't expect reimbursement or automatic job raise on this alone with the market in IT being what it was.nbsp; /FONT/P PFONT SIZE=2Plus I got annoyed with this being used to justify the invalid argument of a much less experienced, less talented person by a pointed-haired management type.nbsp; /FONT/P PFONT SIZE=2Oracle OCP DBA/FONT /P BR PFONT SIZE=2-Original Message-/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2From: Pete Sharman [A HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A]/FON T BRFONT SIZE=2Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 1:36 PM/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2Subject: RE: Value of OCP/FONT /P BR PFONT SIZE=2Dang, I gotta get a
Re:RE: RE: Value of OCP
Rachel, You didn't glue your fingers together, now did you?? Did that many years ago. We were using super glue, the older slower drying stuff, to hold a gasket on the bottom of a radar beacon case. Well using an open top bottle and flux brush to apply that stuff is messy at best. Got just enough on my fingers that when I tried to put the bottle down, they stuck just a tad. Dumped the whole bottle all over my left hand. Took a medic a whole hour to scrape it off another two weeks for the skin to heal. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Rachel Carmichael [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 3/20/2003 11:18 AM remind me to tell you about my glue-gun related accident.. never ever try to brush the hot glue off your hand! --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I like the old glue gun - well okay, watch out for electricity surges whilst deploying the glue gun method. However, really useful for most kid related things - wip up a costume in no time, fix that plastic toy, diaper to cheap to stick - the glue gun can make it a thing of the past. Naw, I don't take it that far boys. Oracle OCP DBA -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 11:54 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Red Green, my hero!!! http://www.ducttapeforever.com/forever.html http://www.ducttapeforever.com/forever.html -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 8:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Good old Duct Tape, the handyman's secret weapon!! Reply Separator Author: Stephen Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 3/20/2003 6:34 AM -Original Message- Did you learn anything from the previous crash to prevent it from happening again? Yes. Duct tape the power cord to the floor. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephen Lee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:RE: RE: Value of OCP
No, although I've come close with Superglue/Krazy Glue (btw, to remove that use any nail polish remover with acetone, works like a charm) Jared forgive me, we are way off topic here but... I had a scratching post for my cats that was falling apart. And a hot glue gun. I decided I could be Martha Stewart and fix it myself (maybe that was Tim Taylor?). In any case, I really needed 3 hands... and a large drop of the hot, melted glue fell on the back of my left hand... instinctive reaction was to try to brush it off, which only spread it further. THEN I realized I was burning and ran cold water over it... when I peeled off the glue I took the top few layers of skin with it -- second degree burn about the size of a quarter. NOT smart. That was right before the last time I presented at NOUG come to think of it, and just before a job interview. I did find out where the 24 hour pharmacy is near my home. Rachel --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rachel, You didn't glue your fingers together, now did you?? Did that many years ago. We were using super glue, the older slower drying stuff, to hold a gasket on the bottom of a radar beacon case. Well using an open top bottle and flux brush to apply that stuff is messy at best. Got just enough on my fingers that when I tried to put the bottle down, they stuck just a tad. Dumped the whole bottle all over my left hand. Took a medic a whole hour to scrape it off another two weeks for the skin to heal. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Subject:RE: RE: Value of OCP Author: Rachel Carmichael [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 3/20/2003 11:18 AM remind me to tell you about my glue-gun related accident.. never ever try to brush the hot glue off your hand! --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I like the old glue gun - well okay, watch out for electricity surges whilst deploying the glue gun method. However, really useful for most kid related things - wip up a costume in no time, fix that plastic toy, diaper to cheap to stick - the glue gun can make it a thing of the past. Naw, I don't take it that far boys. Oracle OCP DBA -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 11:54 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Red Green, my hero!!! http://www.ducttapeforever.com/forever.html http://www.ducttapeforever.com/forever.html -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 8:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Good old Duct Tape, the handyman's secret weapon!! Reply Separator Author: Stephen Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 3/20/2003 6:34 AM -Original Message- Did you learn anything from the previous crash to prevent it from happening again? Yes. Duct tape the power cord to the floor. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephen Lee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:RE: HP-UX Installation questions for 8i/9i on a HP-UX 11/
Jeff, Care to put your 2 cents in? Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Mandar A. Ghosalkar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 3/19/2003 1:24 PM Dick, you are right. i don't need Ansi C or Microfocus cobol if i am not using Pro*C or Pro*Cobol. the bundled C compile is sufficient for oracle installation. but i am not sure about OnlineJFS and HpUX Disk Mirroring license base vxfs is good enough, if extra features not required. but maybe i need Disk mirroring for the internal disks for root and swap. i would have two internal 18GB Hot Plug Ultra SCSI Low Pro Drive. is this enough for the root/swap for hp 11i. is mirroring required for the internal disks? do we need extra license for that? is glanceplus a necessity for passive standby database server? any additional hp 11i software required? any inputs? thanks Mandar -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 1:00 PM To: Mandar A. Ghosalkar; Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re:HP-UX Installation questions for 8i/9i on a HP-UX 11/11i Mandar, I'm going to include my HP-UX GURU on to the reply so that he can comment about the JFS as he feels appriopriate. As for trhe MicroFocus Cobol, NO you don't need it. Ansi C can become another matter. If your going to use any exernal procedures you will need it as well as certain options to the RDBMS, so in general I would say yes. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Subject:HP-UX Installation questions for 8i/9i on a HP-UX 11/11i on Author: Mandar A. Ghosalkar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 3/19/2003 12:24 PM Installation requirements for 8i/9i on a HP-UX 11/11i on RP7400 Do we need to install Ansi C developers module on HP-UX, if i am not going to use Pro*C? Do we need to install Microfocus Cobol module on HP-UX, if i am not going to use Pro*cobol? Do u'll use onlineJFS (Veritas Filessystem) which allows online Filesystem changes without unmounting? HP-UX comes with default base JFS which is a stripped down version of veritas file system without online filesystem changes. Thanks, Mandar -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mandar A. Ghosalkar INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mandar A. Ghosalkar INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:RE: why SAN ? why not external storage ?
Humm, must of missed this one on the rebound. Anyway, here Disk space is an admin nightmare. Each time we want to reassign disks from one server to another here comes EMC to re-program the Symmetrix array otherwise the SA has the possibility of assigning 2 servers to the same disk. OOPS I really did not wnat to do a newfs on that disk!!!?!??! And at $4000 per disk (72GB) I would not say that their cheap. IDE drives have gotten real cheap, when will SCSI follow suit?? Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 3/14/2003 10:03 AM Oh, Gods forbid the sysadmins would have to gulp do their job... HAHAHAHAHA!!! Scott Shafer San Antonio, TX 210.581.6217 -Original Message- From: Mogens Norgaard [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: why SAN ? why not external storage ? There are many things I don't get in this life. One of them is the statements about disk storage being an admin nightmare and way too expensive. Aren't disks very cheap these days?! Mogens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rahul, This is personal opinion, but it looks to me like your concerned about the database your creating for the client and may not have the total or corporate wide view your client has. We're heading down the SAN road not because of any specific database requirements but because disk storage has become an administrative nightmare as well as way too expensive. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Arun Annamalai [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 3/13/2003 12:24 PM Usaually SAN and NAS is used for several good reasons...the two main are... 1) High availability - When you have your database files on SAN/NAS then you can bring ur database on another server when the primary goes down. Obviously you have to use a cluster or Big IP (F5) on the front. 2) reduce redundancy -A unix userid with home directory attached to a paticular NFS drive on NAS/SAN, will able to see all his files when he logs into other servers. so far I heard Net App is low cost including with Raid 5. -Arun. Sr oracle dba - Original Message - From: Rahul To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 9:38 PM Subject: Re: why SAN ? why not external storage ? my reasons to recommend an external storage was.. 1) the database size is 36GB, and according to many documents i have read, SAN is not cost effevtive unless populated by a large numbers of drives !!, now for the client the cost is not the factor.. given the situation.. wouldnt a SAN be an overkill ? 2) NO DBA or SYS ADMIN skills to manage the SAN !! - Original Message - From: Tim Gorman To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:33 PM Subject: Re: why SAN ? why not external storage ? Can you share some of the reasons related to your decision in choosing a direct-attach storage (DAS) instead of a SAN? In general, a SAN is a much smarter choice than DAS. - Original Message - From: Rahul To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 1:33 AM Subject: why SAN ? why not external storage ? list, one of our clietns are going to by SAN, the current oracle databases take around 36GB of storage i dnt understand there reason to go for SAN, i sugguested to buy an external storage box instead. How can i justify my desicion ? (cost of not the factor) TIA rahul !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN HTMLHEAD META http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 META content=MSHTML 6.00.2800.1106 name=GENERATOR STYLE/STYLE /HEAD BODY bgColor=#ff DIVFONT face=Arial size=2Usaually SAN and NAS is used for several good reasons...the two main are.../FONT/DIV DIVFONT face=Arial size=21) High availability - When you have your database files on SAN/NAS then you can bring ur database on another server when the primary goes down. Obviously you have to use a cluster or Big IP (F5) on the front./FONT/DIV DIVFONT face=Arial size=22) reduce redundancy -/FONTFONT face=Arial size=2Anbsp;unix useridnbsp;with home directory attached to a paticular NFSnbsp;drive on NAS/SAN,nbsp;willnbsp; able to see allnbsp;his files when he logs into othernbsp;servers./FONT/DIV DIVFONT face=Arial size=2/FONTnbsp;/DIV DIVFONT face=Arial size=2so far I heard Net App is low cost including with Raid 5./FONT/DIV DIVFONT face=Arial size=2/FONTnbsp;/DIV DIVFONT face=Arial size=2-Arun./FONT/DIV DIVFONT face=Arial size=2Sr oracle dba/FONT/DIV BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style=PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #00 2px
Re:RE: Running multiple instances on a [large] server
We also run several instances on just about every server we have. Most, but not all share the same Oracle_home. I only create new ones for newer versions of Oracle, but for each database I prefer to use seperate mount points such as: /test/system /test/rbs /test/temp /prod1/system /prod1/rbs /prod1/temp /prod2/system etc... Keeps one from stepping on one's own _. (You fill in the blanks.) The biggest problem I think you'll face is physical memory. Have too little with too big an SGA you start swapping. Have smaller SGA's and wait IO can become a problem. Simply put, you just can't have too much memory. Typically we license a server for whatever it's being used for, so yes we do have user and cpu licenses. Kind of a pain keeping track. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Stephane Paquette [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 3/11/2003 6:19 AM Hi, On one of the 7 development box (aix 4.3.3) we have 27 instances Oracle 8172. All using the same oracle_home. I can't say it's the fastest response time ;-) As for the licensing we have a mix of CPU and user licences. Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tél. (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Chitale Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 3:49 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L One of the teams here is planning to run anything from 8 to 16 database instances [no indication on sizing yet, but gut-feel SGAs are 200MB to 1GB and DB sizes 500MB to 40GB] on a large server, something like a Sun E6800 or an equivalent HP or Fujitsu server. 1. How many of you do run, and are comfortable running, multiple databases on the same server, whether it is partitioned or not ? 2. Do you create a seperate ORACLE_HOME for each instance ? 3. Do you just buy the Oracle DB CPU license on the total number of CPUs on the server ? My positioning is a. We might not be able to create 8 partitions but partition such that we have a max of 2 or 3 instances in one partition. Hopefully, I can dynamically change CPU partitioning to reallocate CPU to another group of instances. b. Each instance should have it's own ORACLE_HOME. [Disk space is not a constraint]. c. Just add up the number of CPUs on the server, across all partitions, and buy a CPU license. Also, a CPU license is much preferable to Named-User as some of these databases would host Portals for 1,000+ end-users. Hemant K Chitale http://hkchital.tripod.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Hemant K Chitale INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephane Paquette INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:RE: Oracle position on hints
Though I have yet to try out stored outlines, I believe that they have legitimite uses. Making your dev system work like production comes to mind. As others have stated about hints, they have legitimite uses as well. They can be very handy to have when you need to make a poorly written application behave a little better. The use of ALL_ROWS and FIRST_ROWS are very useful hints to have around, and they don't tell the CBO how to do its job, they just tell it what your preference is for returning data. Jared [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/07/2003 11:29 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re:RE: Oracle position on hints Stephane, I'm going to agree with many on the list in that I don't believe Oracle will drop the concept. But on the other hand I don't like them either, not do I like the idea of stored outlines either. The reason is that with both your trying to ham string the optimizer into doing things your way, which may be just fine today but when you add a gazillion rows of data things change that highly selective index you were sure you wanted to use is now less than useless. I don't think hints were introduced because Oracle's optimizer is immature, it actually appears to be more matured than most other vendors, but that some duhvelepors want things their way. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Stephane Paquette [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 3/7/2003 10:19 AM Hi, I have to write a SQL and PL/SQL guide for our developpers. Some are good but most of them can use help. I'm not a big fan of hints except for insert append, I used them only if I really need to. In last october I went to a 3 days DB2 UDB course, unless I miss something there are no hint with DB2 UDB. So I was thinking that when the Oracle optimiser would be more mature maybe hints would go away. I just want to know what is Oracle direction with hints. TIA Stephane -Original Message- Robert - IL Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 12:01 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L This is facinating, where does this come from? This is the second time in a week that I've heard this statement being made by someone. Hints will never go away IMHO, and Oracle continues to add more and more of them. I was told by someone at a client site that they were told by an Oracle instructor that they should not use hints in 9i RF -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 3/7/2003 10:04 AM Hi, Does Oracle have an official position on hints ? Will they go away as the optimiser is becoming bettre or they are there to stay ? TIA Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tél. (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Freeman Robert - IL INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephane Paquette INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET
Re:RE: Oracle position on hints
Stephane, I'm going to agree with many on the list in that I don't believe Oracle will drop the concept. But on the other hand I don't like them either, not do I like the idea of stored outlines either. The reason is that with both your trying to ham string the optimizer into doing things your way, which may be just fine today but when you add a gazillion rows of data things change that highly selective index you were sure you wanted to use is now less than useless. I don't think hints were introduced because Oracle's optimizer is immature, it actually appears to be more matured than most other vendors, but that some duhvelepors want things their way. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Stephane Paquette [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 3/7/2003 10:19 AM Hi, I have to write a SQL and PL/SQL guide for our developpers. Some are good but most of them can use help. I'm not a big fan of hints except for insert append, I used them only if I really need to. In last october I went to a 3 days DB2 UDB course, unless I miss something there are no hint with DB2 UDB. So I was thinking that when the Oracle optimiser would be more mature maybe hints would go away. I just want to know what is Oracle direction with hints. TIA Stephane -Original Message- Robert - IL Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 12:01 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L This is facinating, where does this come from? This is the second time in a week that I've heard this statement being made by someone. Hints will never go away IMHO, and Oracle continues to add more and more of them. I was told by someone at a client site that they were told by an Oracle instructor that they should not use hints in 9i RF -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 3/7/2003 10:04 AM Hi, Does Oracle have an official position on hints ? Will they go away as the optimiser is becoming bettre or they are there to stay ? TIA Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tél. (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Freeman Robert - IL INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephane Paquette INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:RE: How Reliable is Explain Plan in 9.2
Ethan, Seeing as your friend is running Precise I have heard similar pronouncements from them about the accurracy of explain plan for several versions of Oracle I'm not suprised. True, they make a very nice product, but them again explain plan is something they do themselves. Yup, sounds like a sales droid got to him. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Jamadagni; Rajendra [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 3/5/2003 9:59 AM Ethan, I am *shocked* we are running RAC 9202 ... I haven't seen anomalies ... does your friend have any example? Raj - Rajendra dot Jamadagni at espn dot com Any views expressed here are strictly personal. QOTD: Any clod can have facts, having an opinion is an art !! -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:35 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Just had a fellow tell me that explain plan in completely unreliable in 9.2 and getting accurate results requires direct SGA access on executing SQL (he is working in a RAC environment). They are running Precise, a good product, but this sounds like something a sales person told him. I can only recall that occasionally the plan executed is not the plan you see in explain plan. Anyone know the truth of this issue? - Ethan !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN HTML HEAD META HTTP-EQUIV=Content-Type CONTENT=text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 META NAME=Generator CONTENT=MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2654.45 TITLERE: How Reliable is Explain Plan in 9.2/TITLE /HEAD BODY PFONT SIZE=2Ethan,/FONT /P PFONT SIZE=2I am *shocked* we are running RAC 9202 .../FONT BRFONT SIZE=2I haven't seen anomalies ... does your friend have any example?/FONT /P PFONT SIZE=2Raj/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2-/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2Rajendra dot Jamadagni at espn dot com/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2Any views expressed here are strictly personal./FONT BRFONT SIZE=2QOTD: Any clod can have facts, having an opinion is an art !!/FONT /P BR PFONT SIZE=2-Original Message-/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2From: Post, Ethan [A HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A]/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:35 AM/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2Subject: How Reliable is Explain Plan in 9.2/FONT /P BR PFONT SIZE=2Just had a fellow tell me that explain plan in completely unreliable in 9.2/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2and getting accurate results requires direct SGA access on executing SQL (he/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2is working in a RAC environment).nbsp; They are running Precise, a good product,/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2but this sounds like something a sales person told him.nbsp; I can only recall/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2that occasionally the plan executed is not the plan you see in explain plan./FONT BRFONT SIZE=2Anyone know the truth of this issue?/FONT /P PFONT SIZE=2- Ethan /FONT /P /BODY /HTML This e-mail message is confidential, intended only for the named recipient(s) above and may contain information that is privileged, attorney work product or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received this message in error, or are not the named recipient(s), please immediately notify corporate MIS at (860) 766-2000 and delete this e-mail message from your computer, Thank you.*2
Re:RE: MS SQL hasn't given up!
John, A few months ago (my how time flies) if I had seen your post the next stop would be the armory for a fully fueled flame-thrower. But times have changed I won't flame you, even though my opinions about MicroSoft remain. Personally, I think over the next 2 to 3 years we're in for another revolution in the software world. Open source software in the form of Linux, PostGreSql, MySql, Gnome, Lindows, etc... are going to make large inroads into what has been the sole purview of companies like MicroSoft, Oracle, IBM, etc... I don't think it's too far off base for us to see a PeopleSoft, or SAP version somewhere down the road that supports PostGreSql and/or MySql. Now this is personal opinion alone, but I see MicroSoft as trying to pull away from the pack onto it's own field with the .net infrastructure that their building. Sure MicroSoft products will work seamlessly with each other, but not with other technologies (read that as primarily Java). So we're all going to be left with one of two choices, use MicroSoft products, or everyone else's. Which leaves MicroSoft in a nice place. You can't be charged with being a monopoly when no one else wants to play on your field. I don't know about the rest of you but I'd prefer to keep my options open. Didn't someone say that proprietary solutions were dinosaurs?? And this from an Oracle zealot!!! What next??? The end of the world?? Dick Goulet BTW: Some of you may find the following rather interesting. Although one company did not want to list their license cost for the larger RFP'd project, I calculate it at better then $4 million. So Oracle is not the most platinum plated of them all. DATABASE STUDY SHOWS SQL SERVER SURPRISES | CRN An in-depth investigation into the pricing schemes offered by each of the major database vendors revealed several surprises, including an upset by Microsoft. The study showed that SQL Server 2000 offered better pricing, training and support than Oracle, IBM, Sybase and Intersystems. For the full details, click: http://www.crn.com/sections/coverstory/coverstory.asp?ArticleID=40277 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:RE: MS SQL hasn't given up!
Patrice, As a Win2K and Linux user, Linux is cheaper on two fronts, 1) at $900 per site for a Linux Advanced Server license vs. MS$ $1200 plus license (boy I hope memory is working here) and 2) Yes you can use older, lighter hardware get the same or sometimes even better performance than MS. One thing that sorta frosts me about MicroSoft is that every time they release a new version of their os or applications you end up having to acquire additional or new hardware. Whoever coined the phrase Bloatware must have been a MicroSoft employee. Dick Goulet Opinions expressed are personal. Reply Separator Author: Boivin; Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2/28/2003 4:59 AM www.opensource.org and other sites (The Register) and www.globetechnology.com (Globe Mail's technology news site) mentioned that MS considers LINUX a threat. Last week I attended an OS security class where each student had two PCs, one was a Windows2000 machine, one was a LINUX machine. The LINUX machine came with Gnome, which doesn't look all that bad. I would argue that the LINUX GUI needs a bit of streamlining but you can see that it has dramatically improved. LINUX still has software compatibility problems, the courseware referred to a LINUX configuration program that (for some unknown reason) wouldn't work on our LINUX machines. The LINUX machines seemed to have older hardware, I have the impression that they were the ones the training center had replaced and upgraded to Windows2000, but now had turned around and were using them for teaching OS security on LINUX. Speed was comparable. The irony is that as LINUX becomes more streamlined, vendors start charging for it... Will there be a meeting in the middle of open source OS and Windows? If Microsoft has to reduce its prices for Windows, how will it maintain its revenue growth? Advanced LINUX is not free either, I don't know how its price compares with the Windows2000 offering though. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 7:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L As long as I'm not replaced by an open source (cheap) DBA Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tel. (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 5:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I don't believe MS will ever give up. Isn't that part of American Capitalism? Your competitor does you one better on some test, therefore you've got to better them. Give Oracle a couple of weeks and we'll here that one too. But seriously, how many of us really care about the TP-C benchmark? It's great for marketing and the sales droids but how do I relate that to the business needs of where I'm working? Great, we can push the database to 400K+ transactions per second, wow. Now if I could just get those 300 testers on the floor to take advantage of that when their tests are 5 minutes long!! Somehow the capabilities of the server/database combination has gotten SOO big that it can't be filled anymore or so the users think when they release the query from hell. BTW: As I look down the road to the future, I wonder how much of the commercial software industry is going to survive the wave of open source stuff coming down the pipe? Here I am, today, sitting at a MS Win2K desktop with Oracle running on the database server. A couple of years down the road I can see a Linux, or some derivative of it, as the desktop and PostgreSql on the database server. Processing data will still have to happen and relational data will still be around, but will MS and Oracle?? Damn good question I'd have to say. /* rant mode off, cool mode on */ Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2/27/2003 11:26 AM For your amusement, MS thinks they can now equal Oracle in performance (wasn't that what they claimed 3 years ago?). Anyway, I tend to think of these benchmarks like the NASCAR winners. Yeah I'm going to go by a Chrysler because it won the NASCAR championship. http://www.entmag.com/news/article.asp?EditorialsID=5707 http://www.entmag.com/news/article.asp?EditorialsID=5707 Dennis Williams DBA, 40%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a
Re:RE: MTS config
Thanks to all who replied. It took filing an iTAR to get the answer and then it took OTS 2 days to find the fat finger that caused the problems. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Adrian Roe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2/25/2003 7:09 AM Looks fine. We only have the following entries on a 9i database.. dispatchers = (protocol = TCP)(dispatchers = 6) max_dispatchers = 12 shared_servers = 10 max_shared_servers = 40 Works fine, we ended up commenting out local_listener. How long have you waited for the dispatchers to register ? It does not happen instantly. Have you tried lsnrctl reload ? -Original Message- Sent: 25 February 2003 14:04 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L OK, Someone dope slap me! I added the following to my init.ora file (8.1.7.0 on HP-UX 11.0). The dispatchers start up just fine, but won't register with the listener (also 8.1.7.0). I've already done the RTFM and MetaLink RTFM but can't see the problem. mts_servers=5 mts_max_dispatchers=10 mts_max_servers=40 service_names=05 # mts_dispatchers=(PROTOCOL=ipc)(DISPATCHERS=2) mts_dispatchers=(PROTOCOL=TCP)(DISPATCHERS=4) local_listener=(address_list=(ADDRESS=(PROTOCOL=ipc)(KEY=05)) (ADDRESS=(PROTOCOL=tcp)(PORT=1521)(HOST=bart))) Thanks for the second set of eyes. BTW, the end result would be to have all outside TCP connections use MTS only. Dick Goulet -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Live Life in Broadband www.telewest.co.uk The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Statements and opinions expressed in this e-mail may not represent those of the company. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from any computer. == -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Adrian Roe INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:RE: Dealing with 3rd Party Applications
Dennis, My heartburn with third party vendors is not that they don't have good Oracle people on their helpdesk, but rather that they don't have good Oracle people period. One of our third party vendors, forever to remain nameless(so I stay out of trouble), has an Oracle DBA who just happen to figure out how to get the software installed period. This fool (can't think of a more politically correct adjective without killing the meaning) is the one who recommended setting processes to 20,000 and restarting the database every 24 hours. That for a group of 15 people who use the application? He also doesn't think it's improper to put objects (tables, indexes, views, etc.) in the sys schema and one should never run in archivelog mode because hardware doesn't break any longer, plus it places too much overhead on the database. Come on, this guy is a real nutcase!! On top of all that, how many third party apps do you know of that mandate that they exist in an instance by themselves and that they have to have DBA authority? Most if not all of them. I've only run into a very small handful of apps that absolutely do not want more than access to a tablespace and the ability to create public synonyms. These vendors sure enough had very strong Oracle people on their development staffs. We have one I really appreciate it. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2/26/2003 3:44 PM Dick - I would like to point out the reason the vendors don't have good Oracle people working their help desk. You would be quite qualified -- would you be willing to work the help desk? I'll bet not! Neither would I. So those best qualified for a job won't take it . . . hmmm. Then the other part is that the help desk represents one of the vendor's biggest expenses. If it is not well managed, the company can easily go broke. So they have to make sure everyone is overloaded and underpaid. Development is a different situation because a top developer can build you a better mousetrap that will put you ahead of your competitors. Better help desk people are good, but then the word gets out and every novice calls them directly with their RTFM questions. If I've offended someone on the list that works a help desk, my apologies. We need you, especially the good ones and often you go beyond the call of duty. Dennis Williams DBA, 40%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 4:44 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Jeff, Let's see, the sys admin installed all of it right? Therefore it MUST be the sys admin's problem. END OF CONVERSATION. Now I'm sure the boss isn't going to like that very much, mine would not. So we re-install the database MY way. Most of the time the problems disappear easily. Otherwise, have the users pay for a vendor consultant to come in tell the sys admin that he messed up. Right now we're having a problem with a third party help desk application that does a bad job cleaning up connections. The vendor recommended setting processes = 2 in the init.ora file restart the instance every 24 hours. The help desk manager asked me what I thought of that, you can imagine the response. Anyway, we're now in MTS mode the problem has been pushed back to the vendor with the you want us to do WHAT Are you crazy?? response. It's a shame that vendors don't have Oracle trained people working for them!! Dick Goulet PS: If your using a telecom management software product from a company in Manchester NH, USA, consider yourself LUCKY. They have some real talented Oracle certified DBA's with experience working for them. They also don't create these types of problems. Reply Separator Author: Eberhard; Jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2/26/2003 12:43 PM Hi, So my boss comes over this morning and tells me that the users are having a performance problem with a 3rd party application that have recently began using. This is an oracle database where they bought the software and had the system admin install the software which included the vendors instruction of creating and setting up the database (basically use the defaults). It is an Oracle 8.1.7 database on Windows 2000. He wants me to find out if you can create some indexes or something, etc. (he likes to give solutions before the cause if discovered). Anyway, I decide to take a look at it. The performance they are complaining about is when they log into the application it takes about a minute for their initial screen (which includes a list of values) to appear. I use the tool that someone posted here a while ago, SQL Monitor from www.fastalgo.com, and find that during the time the user is waiting for the first screen the application is executing a sql statement about 2200 times. The SQL is: SELECT PARENTID FROM PROC_ WHERE PROCEDUREID=:1
Re:RE: MTS config
Let's see, how about overnight and yes I have reloaded the listener. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Adrian Roe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2/25/2003 7:09 AM Looks fine. We only have the following entries on a 9i database.. dispatchers = (protocol = TCP)(dispatchers = 6) max_dispatchers = 12 shared_servers = 10 max_shared_servers = 40 Works fine, we ended up commenting out local_listener. How long have you waited for the dispatchers to register ? It does not happen instantly. Have you tried lsnrctl reload ? -Original Message- Sent: 25 February 2003 14:04 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L OK, Someone dope slap me! I added the following to my init.ora file (8.1.7.0 on HP-UX 11.0). The dispatchers start up just fine, but won't register with the listener (also 8.1.7.0). I've already done the RTFM and MetaLink RTFM but can't see the problem. mts_servers=5 mts_max_dispatchers=10 mts_max_servers=40 service_names=05 # mts_dispatchers=(PROTOCOL=ipc)(DISPATCHERS=2) mts_dispatchers=(PROTOCOL=TCP)(DISPATCHERS=4) local_listener=(address_list=(ADDRESS=(PROTOCOL=ipc)(KEY=05)) (ADDRESS=(PROTOCOL=tcp)(PORT=1521)(HOST=bart))) Thanks for the second set of eyes. BTW, the end result would be to have all outside TCP connections use MTS only. Dick Goulet -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Live Life in Broadband www.telewest.co.uk The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Statements and opinions expressed in this e-mail may not represent those of the company. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from any computer. == -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Adrian Roe INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:RE: How long to hold onto old Oracle CDs?
I'd say hang on to them as long as you want. I've still got a full set of 5.25 floppies for Oracle 4 at home as well as the docs. Too bad I lost the DOS 6 disks. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Gogala; Mladen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2/24/2003 12:04 PM UFI Yet another guy who started with Oracle4? -Original Message- From: Robson, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 12:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: How long to hold onto old Oracle CDs? Talking of old Oracle stuff, just been cleaning out the bookshelf. 'UFI', 'IAF', 'IAG', 'IAP', 'RPT' bring back any memories? This lot is going OUT. peter On Mon, 2003-02-24 at 10:33, Stephen Lee wrote: You should keep them. You never know when you will decide to get a shotgun and be in need of some targets. -Original Message- Can anyone think of a reason to hold on to Oracle 7.3.3 HP/UX CDs? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephen Lee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boyle Candi INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). * This e-mail message, and any files transmitted with it, are confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee. If this message was not addressed to you, you have received it in error and any copying, distribution or other use of any part of it is strictly prohibited. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the sender and do not necessarily represent those of the British Geological Survey. The security of e-mail communication cannot be guaranteed and the BGS accepts no liability for claims arising as a result of the use of this medium to transmit messages from or to the BGS. The BGS cannot accept any responsibility for viruses, so please scan all attachments.http://www.bgs.ac.uk * -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Robson, Peter INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail
Re:RE: Third Party Application Madness
Jared, Been there, done that, I'll put a large bottle of aspirin Jim Beam in the mail for you. They help me!! Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Jesse; Rich [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2/24/2003 12:12 PM Congratulations! We, the Annointed Members present you, Jared Still, with the Sadistic Vendor Setup Purple Heart award. Wear it with pride. At least you *have* PKs and FKs... Rich Rich JesseSystem/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 1:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L In need of cathartic release, I find myself sharing my pain with the folks that will understand it best. :) The past two weeks have really been 'fun'. [snip] Now, on to the next crisis. Jared -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:RE: Third Party Application Madness
Excellent advice! I'll give it a 'shot' later today. Jared On Monday 24 February 2003 13:35, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jared, Been there, done that, I'll put a large bottle of aspirin Jim Beam in the mail for you. They help me!! Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Jesse; Rich [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2/24/2003 12:12 PM Congratulations! We, the Annointed Members present you, Jared Still, with the Sadistic Vendor Setup Purple Heart award. Wear it with pride. At least you *have* PKs and FKs... Rich Rich JesseSystem/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 1:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L In need of cathartic release, I find myself sharing my pain with the folks that will understand it best. :) The past two weeks have really been 'fun'. [snip] Now, on to the next crisis. Jared -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:RE: RE: Third Party Application Madness
Jerry, Depends on the third party application/vendor. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Whittle Jerome Contr NCI [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2/24/2003 2:02 PM Dick, Is that aspirin first then the Jim Beam or Jim Beam first and aspirin the next morning? Jerry Whittle ASIFICS DBA NCI Information Systems Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 618-622-4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Jared, Been there, done that, I'll put a large bottle of aspirin Jim Beam in the mail for you. They help me!! Dick Goulet !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN HTML HEAD TITLERE: RE: Third Party Application Madness/TITLE /HEAD BODY !-- Converted from text/rtf format -- PSPAN LANG=en-usFONT COLOR=#FF SIZE=2 FACE=ArialDick,/FONT/SPAN /P PSPAN LANG=en-usFONT COLOR=#FF SIZE=2 FACE=ArialIs that aspirin first then the Jim Beam or Jim Beam first and aspirin the next morning?/FONT/SPAN /P PSPAN LANG=en-usFONT FACE=ArialJerry Whittle/FONT/SPAN BRSPAN LANG=en-usFONT FACE=ArialASIFICS DBA/FONT/SPAN BRSPAN LANG=en-usFONT FACE=ArialNCI Information Systems Inc./FONT/SPAN BRSPAN LANG=en-usFONT FACE=Arial[EMAIL PROTECTED]/FONT/SPAN BRSPAN LANG=en-usFONT FACE=Arial618-622-4145/FONT/SPAN /P UL PSPAN LANG=en-usFONT SIZE=1 FACE=Arial-Original Message-/FONT/SPAN BRSPAN LANG=en-usBFONT SIZE=1 FACE=ArialFrom:nbsp;nbsp;/FONT/B FONT SIZE=1 FACE=Arial[EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/FONT/SPAN /P PSPAN LANG=en-usFONT SIZE=2 FACE=ArialJared,/FONT/SPAN /P PSPAN LANG=en-usFONT SIZE=2 FACE=Arialnbsp;nbsp;nbsp; Been there, done that, I'll put a large bottle of aspirin amp; Jim Beam in the/FONT/SPAN BRSPAN LANG=en-usFONT SIZE=2 FACE=Arialmail for you.nbsp; They help me!!/FONT/SPAN /P PSPAN LANG=en-usFONT SIZE=2 FACE=ArialDick Goulet/FONT/SPAN /P /UL /BODY /HTML -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:RE: Oracle License for Training
Steve, I'd say IF. Reason is that MySql has a commercial company behind it and it appears that they see looming in the near future. Their licensing costs have risen in the last 3 months. Granted their a pile cheaper than Oracle (correction, make that a mountain), but as always if there's a buck to be made Personally I prefer PostGreSql, which happens to be the direction our WEB master wants to head off on. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Orr; Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2/13/2003 9:08 AM For me the question is not If? but When? Any prognostications? -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 9:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Mark my words, it will happen. ...The MySQL part, not the outsourcing part. :) Cary Millsap Hotsos Enterprises, Ltd. http://www.hotsos.com Upcoming events: - RMOUG Training Days 2003, Mar 5-6 Denver - Hotsos Clinic 101, Mar 25-27 London -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 11:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L If MySql continues as planned, I think Oracle will find it a force to be reckoned with, much as MS has discovered to be true about Linux. Of course by that time, according to the latest IT business intelligence as seen in Computer World, most of our jobs will have been outsourced by then, and it wont' matter much. Jared Weiss, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/11/2003 03:04 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: Oracle License for Training A question for the DBA Gods on this list: Is it worth the time/effort to download MySQL and learn it? Is there going to be a viable (meaning $$) market for the product in the future? Or should I leave all the egg$ in the Oracle basket? Musing for fun and profit. Rick Weiss -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 3:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L MS SQL costing less than Oracle is only partly true. If you load up MS with the extras that constitute a std feature set on Oracle, Oracle is very competitive. Been lots of comparisons on that. Now PostgreSQL and MySQL, those *are* less expensize than MS SQL and Oracle. :) Jared -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Weiss, Rick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN HTML HEAD META HTTP-EQUIV=Content-Type CONTENT=text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 META NAME=Generator CONTENT=MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2653.12 TITLERE: Oracle License for Training/TITLE /HEAD BODY PFONT SIZE=2For me the question is not quot;If?quot; but quot;When?quot; /FONT /P PFONT SIZE=2Any prognostications?/FONT /P BR PFONT SIZE=2-Original Message-/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2From: Cary Millsap [A HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED];mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A]/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 9:54 PM/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2Subject: RE: Oracle License for Training/FONT /P BR PFONT SIZE=2Mark my words, it will happen./FONT /P PFONT SIZE=2...The MySQL part, not the outsourcing part. :)/FONT /P BR PFONT SIZE=2Cary Millsap/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2Hotsos Enterprises, Ltd./FONT BRFONT SIZE=2A HREF=http://www.hotsos.com; TARGET=_blankhttp://www.hotsos.com/A/FONT /P PFONT SIZE=2Upcoming events:/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2- RMOUG Training Days 2003, Mar 5-6 Denver/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2- Hotsos Clinic 101, Mar 25-27 London/FONT /P BR PFONT SIZE=2-Original Message-/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2[EMAIL PROTECTED]/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 11:59 AM/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L/FONT /P PFONT SIZE=2If MySql continues as planned,nbsp; I think Oracle will/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2find it a force to be reckoned with, much as MS/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2has discovered to be true about Linux./FONT /P PFONT SIZE=2Of course by that time, according to the latest IT /FONT BRFONT SIZE=2business intelligence as seen in Computer World,/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2most of our jobs will have been outsourced by then,/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2and it wont' matter much./FONT /P PFONT SIZE=2Jared/FONT /P BR BR BR BR PFONT SIZE=2quot;Weiss, Rickquot; lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt;/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2nbsp;02/11/2003 03:04 PM/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2nbsp;Please respond to ORACLE-L/FONT /P PFONT SIZE=2nbsp;/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; To:nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt;/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; cc: /FONT BRFONT SIZE=2nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; Subject:nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; RE: Oracle License for Training/FONT /P BR PFONT SIZE=2A question for the DBA Gods on this list:/FONT /P PFONT SIZE=2Is
Re:RE: RMAN: I don't trust it
Michael, What version or Rman are you looking at? I really did not appreciate Rman before 8.1.7 and it's predecessor in version 7. Rman for Oracle 9i is damn nice. Instead of those messy scripts and a recovery catalog you now have the ability to store all that stuff in the control file. Then a simple rman EOF backup database EOF is all that is needed in 9i. Yes the syntax is a little more messy if you lose your control file for recovery purposes, but at least rman can now rummage through that backup and retrieve the control file. We make limited use of rman here right now, but will we ever increase that in the future. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Mercadante; Thomas F [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2/11/2003 4:53 AM Michael, I use it. I trust it. Oracle support is there when needed. When you say While I can get RMAN to work for most simple, basic and predictable recovery scenarios, true recovery situations are never so neat and clean. Just what do you mean? Loss of individual tablespaces? What? To be fair, I would suggest that you create a test database, and use Rman to perform backup and recovery operations on it. Try and beat the product so it doesn't work for you. You'll be surprised. Once you see how it works, I think you'll realize that it has matured into a good product. Hope this helps. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 5:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L As a longtime Oracle DBA who has used many products, including RMAN, I find myself guilty of a paradoxical mistrust of RMAN, dating back from the time when Oracle has tried several products, including integration with Legato and other hardware/software backup vendors, without a consistent direction. In the little I've used RMAN, it seems quite complex and kludgy. Even the nomenclature and commands used by Oracle within the product are a challenge to learn. While I can get RMAN to work for most simple, basic and predictable recovery scenarios, true recovery situations are never so neat and clean. This is not an advertisement for any particular product, but we've had great success in my shop with a product called SQL*Backtrack from BMC. I've also heard that Veritas makes a good product, but I've not used it. From what I've seen of RMAN, at least so far, I feel far more confident with the home-cooked scripts I've been using for years. Any comments, or other interesting experiences? Perhaps we can do a list poll of favorite/preferred backup software? !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN HTMLHEAD META HTTP-EQUIV=Content-Type CONTENT=text/html; charset=us-ascii META content=MSHTML 5.50.4912.300 name=GENERATOR/HEAD BODY DIVSPAN class=369034312-11022003FONT face=Arial color=#ff size=2Michael,/FONT/SPAN/DIV DIVSPAN class=369034312-11022003FONT face=Arial color=#ff size=2/FONT/SPANnbsp;/DIV DIVSPAN class=369034312-11022003FONT face=Arial color=#ff size=2I use it.nbsp; I trust it.nbsp; Oracle support is there when needed./FONT/SPAN/DIV DIVSPAN class=369034312-11022003FONT face=Arial color=#ff size=2/FONT/SPANnbsp;/DIV DIVSPAN class=369034312-11022003FONT face=Arial color=#ff size=2When you say FONT face=Times New Roman color=#00 size=3While I can get RMAN to work for most simple, basic and predictable recovery scenarios, true BRrecovery situations are never so neat and clean./FONT/FONT/SPAN/DIV DIVSPAN class=369034312-11022003FONT face=Arial color=#ff size=2/FONT/SPANnbsp;/DIV DIVSPAN class=369034312-11022003FONT face=Arial color=#ff size=2Just what do you mean?nbsp; Loss of individual tablespaces?nbsp;nbsp;What?/FONT/SPANSPAN class=369034312-11022003FONT face=Arial color=#ff size=2/FONT/SPAN/DIV DIVSPAN class=369034312-11022003FONT face=Arial color=#ff size=2/FONT/SPANnbsp;/DIV DIVSPAN class=369034312-11022003FONT face=Arial color=#ff size=2To be fair, I would suggest that you create a test database, and use Rman to perform backup and recovery operations on it.nbsp; Try and beat the product so it doesn't work for you.nbsp; You'll be surprised.nbsp; /FONT/SPAN/DIV DIVSPAN class=369034312-11022003FONT face=Arial color=#ff size=2/FONT/SPANnbsp;/DIV DIVSPAN class=369034312-11022003FONT face=Arial color=#ff size=2Once you see how it works, I think you'll realize that it has matured into a good product./FONT/SPAN/DIV DIVSPAN class=369034312-11022003FONT face=Arial color=#ff size=2/FONT/SPANnbsp;/DIV DIVSPAN class=369034312-11022003FONT face=Arial color=#ff size=2Hope this helps./FONT/SPAN/DIV DIVFONT face=Arial color=#ff size=2/FONTnbsp;/DIV DIVFONT face=ArialFONT size=2SPAN class=369034312-11022003T/SPANom Mercadante/FONT/FONT BRFONT face=Arial size=2Oracle Certified Professional/FONT /DIV BLOCKQUOTE DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=leftFONT
Re:RE: AW: RMAN: I don't trust it
Richard, In theory, yes it can. Would I want to push a postgresql database that hard, maybe not. But I will agree with Lyndon, it is a very nice open source db. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Richard Ji [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2/11/2003 8:43 AM Well no. Since you are comparing Postgresql with Oracle, why can't I compare it with HSql or any other database for that matter. And is postgresql scalable compare to Oracle? Can it handle my Terabyte database? -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 10:54 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Quoting Stefan Jahnke [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Lyndon hsql == HypersonicSQL. It's a pure Java, lightweight database server. Not suitable for large amounts of data, more the way to go if you're looking for an SQL database to embed into your Java app. I thought we were talking about Oracle and Postgresql here? hsql is not scalable means I'd rather use Access. -- Lyndon Tiu -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Lyndon Tiu INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Richard Ji INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:Re: Oracle License for Training
I would be pleased to be informed - privately or via the list - about further progress. Oracle is a fine thing - not judging just giving away my sympathy - and hopefully you can get more people on the Oracle path. Fence the w..dogs off - sorry, couldn't resist to temptation. Apologies for any typing mistakes I failed to notice. Markus Reger Oracle Applications DBA Webmaster MBC University for Music and Performing Art Vienna [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/06/03 07:19 AM Interesting idea! =) I'll look through the license agreement (OTN) again. Then find a lawyer who's willing to be a partner... And who knows... Thanks a lot to Dennis W, Tim G, Dick G, Stephane F, jeremy P and Markus R! Thanks to everyone! I'm still open to any input/ideas/partnerships(?). Feel free to email me. I'll let you guys know how this little venture goes. =) DENNIS WILLIAMS wrote: Markus - That is what I call a creative solution! I'm no lawyer either, but excellent! Dennis Williams DBA, 40%OCP Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 9:34 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Did you ever consider that your (prospective) trainig candidates get the (for testing purposes freely downloadable) oracle software themselves and install it themselves (or assisted by you) on a good (linux - one might hope ;-)) box and then you assist them by getting along with this? I think this means, that you would not provide the software yourself - this is done by your traning candidates. As I am neither a jurist nor a lawyer, so I hope this is not pure nonsense - especially regarding the license agreement on technet.oracle.com. Apologies for any typing mistakes I failed to notice Markus Reger Oracle Applications DBA Webmaster MBC University for Music and Performing Art Vienna [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/05/03 06:15 AM A couple of friends and I are thinking of putting up a small training company here in the Phils. (When we say small...its really small with almost 0 capitalization...just sheer guts and technical knowhow) We have looked at OTN and checked the licensing terms for the use of the software for training. We have stumbled on this provision: You may not: ·use the programs to provide third party training; I was wondering if any of you know if there is a different licensing for training institutions? How does a non-oracle partner acquire license to use Oracle DB software for training? I am looking at partnering with Oracle, but we are just starting and partnering costs $$. I dare not call Oracle Philippines just yet...If there is a need to purchase, and if we have the money, only then will we contact them. Thanks. =) -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Maria Aurora VT de la Vega INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Markus Reger INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Maria Aurora VT de la Vega Oracle DBA Philippine Stock Exchange, Inc. If you don't risk anything, you risk even more. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Maria Aurora VT de la Vega INET: [EMAIL
Re:RE: How to create a new oracle database from SVRMGRL??
Sony, Don't you mean Database Configuration Assistant? Not only does it create the database, but configures the listener as required and the registry. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Sony kristanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2/4/2003 7:08 PM Hi Majid, 1)how can I create a new database frm SVRMGRL ? Use DATABASE MIGRATION ASSISTANT, it is more easy to use. 2)can I have more than one database running in oracle8i? Yes you can. Hope this helps. Rgrds, Sony -Original Message- From: majid [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 10:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: How to create a new oracle database from SVRMGRL?? 1)how can I create a new database frm SVRMGRL ? 2)can I have more than one database running in oracle8i? thanks --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can use DBCA(Database Config Assistant) to create a new Oracle DB or issue the commands starting from Create database . from SVRMGRL. majid [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/04/03 08:43 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:How to create a new oracle database Hi, I am new to oracle, I just installed oracle8i in windows2000, durring the installation I called the default database test, I wrote a small java class using the JDBC, everything is working fine, my question please : 1)can I create another database in oracle (leave the database test)so I will have two databases in oracle ? 2)How can I create a database ? Thanks, your help is appreciated. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: majid INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: majid INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Sony kristanto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:RE: Size of a Long Field
Dennis, Vsize does not like longs!! Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2/5/2003 11:29 AM Ed - Look up the function VSIZE in the documentation. Dennis Williams DBA, 40%OCP Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 8:53 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L How do you determine the size, in bytes, of a long field? Please. No tape measure jokes. Ed -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:RE: How to create a new oracle database from SVRMGRL??
Mladen, Don't lead the person too far astray, he/she is still learning. Give them a chance to bugger up the server so badly that it requires a rebuild. Then we can jump all over them for not having made a backup!! *-) Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Gogala; Mladen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2/4/2003 8:13 AM You should do it from sqldba or you should use ior init. Don't use svrmgrl -Original Message- From: majid [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 10:50 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: How to create a new oracle database from SVRMGRL?? 1)how can I create a new database frm SVRMGRL ? 2)can I have more than one database running in oracle8i? thanks --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can use DBCA(Database Config Assistant) to create a new Oracle DB or issue the commands starting from Create database . from SVRMGRL. majid [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/04/03 08:43 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:How to create a new oracle database Hi, I am new to oracle, I just installed oracle8i in windows2000, durring the installation I called the default database test, I wrote a small java class using the JDBC, everything is working fine, my question please : 1)can I create another database in oracle (leave the database test)so I will have two databases in oracle ? 2)How can I create a database ? Thanks, your help is appreciated. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: majid INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: majid INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:RE: comparing null values
Sony and Gary, Null is a special condition of data. A data point cannot equal or not equal null, therefore 'like' and 'not like' also does not work as neither is true. Therefore SQL recognizes 'null' and 'not null' for the purpose of evaluating nulls. Consider the null state as being the complete non existence of the data point only. That being said, then a null neither exists nor does not exist. It's just NULL. An instructor put the logic of Nulls this way: In logic things are either TRUE, FALSE, or NULL. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Sony kristanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 1/30/2003 6:22 PM Hi Gary, I wonder why you didn't use : select * from tester2 where whatever is null; Null values is extremely empty. Rgrds, Sony -Original Message- From: Gary Jackson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 12:42 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: comparing null values Can anyone explain why it is that I seem unable to use 'like' and 'not like' on columns containing null values. (I am unable to find information regarding this on MetaLink.) For example: SQL select * from tester2; COL1 COL2 WHATEVER 11STUFF 22STUFF 33 44 SQL select * from tester2 where whatever not like '%STU%'; no rows selected My question is why does this not return the 3 4 columns? _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Gary Jackson INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Sony kristanto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:RE: The lightbulb goes on - WAS-Debate on rc commands Sol
Dave, You, SYSTEM, and SYS should be the only people with the restricted session system privilege. If those third party applications have it, revoke it. If they have DBA which includes restricted session revoke that as well. Then a startup restrict and shutdown normal will run successfully. BTW: If that third party software has a fit because you revoked DBA, find another vendor. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Farnsworth; Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 1/31/2003 7:34 AM Ok, so I changed my cold backup script lastnight so it does this; connect internal/amianidiot shutdown abort startup restrict shutdown normal exit It then does the abort and the startup and then the shutdown normal but then I get this and my database hangs; Shutting down instance (normal) License high water mark = 10 Fri Jan 31 03:05:35 2003 SHUTDOWN: waiting for logins to complete. So now I was totally ready to go postal, but then rational thinking prevailed so I RTFMed. I then come across this in the FM; Typically, all users with the CREATE SESSION system privilege can connect to an open database. Opening a database in restricted mode allows database access only to users with both the CREATE SESSION and RESTRICTED SESSION system privilege; only database administrators should have the RESTRICTED SESSION system privilege So my question is, should all users be created with the system privilege of CREATE SESSION and only I get the RESTRICTED SESSION in addition? Am I reading this correctly that for the STARTUP RESTRICT to work all users need to have the CREATE SESSION privilege? We have some third party replication software that is trying to make a connection to Oracle every 5 seconds and I think this was the culprit. It DID NOT have the CREATE SESSION but it does now so I am curious as to if the database will shutdown tonight. Did I actually learn something?? Thanks, Dave(iamanidiot) :o) -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 7:15 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I'll echo that sentiment. 'shutdown abort', 'startup restrict' was a regular part of my shutdown scripts beginning in 1994 with 7.0.16, as 'shutdown immediate' wasn't all that reliable, even in situations where it should have worked. Jared On Wednesday 29 January 2003 15:53, John Kanagaraj wrote: Rao, And where did you read that 'shutdown abort' is not recommended? This is another myth that has been busted a while ago. A shutdown abort followed by a startup restrict and a normal shutdown is the way to go when dealing with rogue sessions that open a connection and never shutdown. In such cases, a shutdown immediate will _never_ return (certainly not within your 5 to 10 minutes). I have been using this method for more than 8 years now - starting at 7.0.16 fyi. The trick in this case is to script it into the rc commands. John Kanagaraj Oracle Applications DBA DBSoft Inc (W): 408-970-7002 I don't know what the future holds for me, but I do know who holds my future! ** The opinions and statements above are entirely my own and not those of my employer or clients ** -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 11:49 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Paula, Shutdown abort is not recommended as the file checkpointing is not done during shutdown abort. If you need to perform shutdown abort, then, it is preferred to bring up the db with startup restrict (so that the users wouldn't connect) and then, cleanly shutdown the db and bring it up again. Tell to your sys admins. that shutdown immediate would take some time (about 5 to 10 minutes) depending on the activity on your db. They would have to wait for that much time before calling a DBA during system boots. Rao -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 11:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L System Administrator says he doesn't trust that the rc commands will stop if the database doesn't want to shutdown and even if it does would want to shutdown with scripts beforehand so that a DBA could connect and resolve the issue. Other DBA says this is all wrong and rc commands should include shutdown immediate of database. In the past I had setup 2 processes in the system scripts for the sys admin - shutdown immediate - wait shutdown abort - on a read-only DSS system which of course allows some room for this type of activity. I kind of would want to know if a database was going to be shutdown with an abort esp. in OLTP system and do it myself. - any ideas -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list,
Re:RE: Re[2]: Re[2]: Peoplesoft Oracle
Henry, Thanks. I'll remember that, IF we ever upgrade to PeopleSoft8. Getting migrated over from ManMan to PeropleSoft has been such a chore that there is a move afoot to stay on 7.53 for a few years more. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Henry Poras [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 1/30/2003 5:43 AM Dick, PeopleSoft's methodology changes slightly in version 8. Instead of creating an Oracle user for each PeopleSoft user, there is just a single Oracle user created as the ConnectID (default username is 'people'). The people user works just like all of the individual usernames created in earlier versions; a quick connect and scan of a few PeopleTools tables to find out security, owner of the database tables (i.e. sysadm) and it's encrypted password, ... Henry -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 4:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dave, We turned it off way back prior to implementation. Our biggest problem with the way PeopleSoft does database users is compounded by the fact that way too many of our users write their own scripts and/or use Access to create their own reports. That means that they needed public synonyms to most of the PeopleSoft tables as well as select access on them and they really do use temp and sometimes default tablespace space. We actually did the password thing backwards. The stored package stuff has a static password inside itself that even we the DBA's have forgotten. After the user is created then the PeopleSoft admin changes their password so that we all are in sync. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: david davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 1/29/2003 7:19 AM Dick, The grant users option has been around since release 2 (was on installation table back then). I had not tested turning it off. Our practice is create the userid then change the default tablespaces then notify clients of new userid. It works for us, because the DBA's happen to be the security administrators. If you are creating the Oracle side of the user account, how are you doing password synchronisation? PeopleSoft 8 has password aging done within the application, but to use pure database password aging prior to PeopleSoft 8 you can use Braintree's SQLSecure product. The peopleSoft software has DLL/database integration with the product if you have it installed. It also does cross database password synchronisation. I thought the lowest common denominator was DB2 guess its been lowered. The do Windows development on SQLServer, but Unix is done on UDB. I wonder if PeopleSoft will move away from SQLServer as a source development platform now the Microsoft is trying to get into the CRM business. Direct competition. David Davis From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: david davis [EMAIL PROTECTED], Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re[2]: Peoplesoft Oracle Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 09:44:23 -0500 David Lisa, 1st point is that were still on PeopleTools 7.53 so this may be somewhat dated. Anyway, go to Peopletools, utilities, use Peopletools options. Uncheck the Grant Access option low behold, PeopleTools will not try to create a user via the grant connect to syntax that is so out dated as to be atrocious. The down side is that you now have to create the user manually, but we did put together a trigger/dbms_job system that does it automatically as we wanted. Now why in tarnation would one want to do that, Well as it turns out if you use that syntax, as Lisa noted, everyone is assigned SYSTEM as their default and temp tablespace. Well that's not so bad since their there only for a very brief period of time before changing over to SYSADMIN or whatever else you happen to use. The problem is that PeopleSoft in their VAST wisdom coded the first 2 select statements with a group by in them, just incase there was a duplication of data in ps.psdbowner and/or psoprdefn. Now I do not want to bad mouth them because that was not a bad idea. The bad point is that you end up with temp segments in system and a fragmented system tablespace. YUCK!! OH for 9i and a system wide default temp tablespace!! OH, also one item of extreme note. DON'T setup password aging for your users. PeopleTools doesn't appreciate it at all. BTW: I would not say that PeopleSoft does not know databases, they just minored in them instead. The real problem is that they code to the least common denominator in the dbms market, namely SqlServer. So be prepared for lots of fun, and do watch Customer Connection. They every once in a while come out with a note or patch that is Oracle specific and really does help. One would think that there'd be more of them since something like 75% of PeopleSoft's installs are on Oracle. Of course their development is on Sql Server. Go figure!! Dick Goulet Reply Separator Subject:
Re:RE: Another simple question
Dennis, Allow me to add another item to the pile from the OLD days. Back in SQL*Net V1 it was recommended to select a database name/SID that was case insensitive. That restriction/recommendation was due to older DOS based clients that handled all of that sort of data as upper case. Therefore a database/SID name of 'Prod' would translate on some DOS/MPE based systems to 'PROD' as it passed through the OS/network layers. The result was that you could not connect to the database. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 1/24/2003 7:39 AM Banarasi - Worse than that, Oracle used to recommend that you use no more than 4 characters (look at your process names, and imagine if your O.S. only allowed 8 characters for the name). The problem is that some, mostly older, computer systems have severe filesystem and process name limitations. I know that it is hard for you young whipper-snappers ;-) to believe, but back in the olden days, a byte was expensive. Oracle built its empire by running well on everybody's system. So this restriction allowed/allows Oracle to run on some pretty archaic systems. Will it ever be changed? I wouldn't bet on it. Think about how many separate parts of Oracle would have to be changed. And where is the ROI for this change? Dennis Williams DBA, 40%OCP Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 10:44 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi All Why name of the Database is restricted to 8 bytes. where as we can have long names for tablespaces, tables, views, etc ? thanks Banarasi Babu -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: BanarasiBabu Tippa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:RE: dbms_job - running jobs every 15 minutes
One potential problem with DBMS_JOBS as is being discussed here is that Oracle computes the next_date at the end of the job. They do that so that if a job runs longer than it's schedule interval the two invocations will not run into each other. Now as discussed, if the job is scheduled to start at 9:00 AM and runbs for 5 minutes it's next_date for run #2 will be 9:20, not 9:15, and it will creep 5 minutes every time. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Freeman Robert - IL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 1/22/2003 7:09 AM Cron? How 1980's :-)) RF Robert G. Freeman Technical Management Consultant TUSC - The Oracle Experts www.tusc.com 904.708.5076 Cell (it's everywhere that I am!) Author of several books you can find on Amazon.com! -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 7:19 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I simplified it by using cron instead ... g Raj __ Rajendra Jamadagni MIS, ESPN Inc. Rajendra dot Jamadagni at ESPN dot com Any opinion expressed here is personal and doesn't reflect that of ESPN Inc. QOTD: Any clod can have facts, but having an opinion is an art! -Original Message- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 7:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Feeling particularly anal the other day, I used the following specification to run statspack at the top of the hour, 15, 30 and 45 minutes after the hour. variable jobno number; variable instno number; begin select instance_number into :instno from v$instance; dbms_job.submit( :jobno , 'statspack.snap;' -- every 15 minutes at 00,15,30 and 45 , trunc(sysdate,'hh24') + ( ( 15 + ( 15 * floor(to_number(to_char(sysdate,'mi')) / 15))) / ( 24 * 60 )) , 'trunc(sysdate,''hh24'') + ( ( 15 + ( 15 * floor(to_number(to_char(sysdate,''mi'')) / 15))) / ( 24 * 60 ))' ); commit; end; / Seems to me that the time specs could be simplified a bit. Anyone care to give it a go? :) Jared !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN HTMLHEAD META HTTP-EQUIV=Content-Type CONTENT=text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 TITLERE: dbms_job - running jobs every 15 minutes/TITLE META content=MSHTML 6.00.2800.1126 name=GENERATOR/HEAD BODY DIVSPAN class=56935-22012003FONT face=Arial color=#ff size=2Cron? How 1980's :-))/FONT/SPAN/DIV DIVSPAN class=56935-22012003FONT face=Arial color=#ff size=2/FONT/SPANnbsp;/DIV DIVSPAN class=56935-22012003FONT face=Arial color=#ff size=2RF/FONT/SPAN/DIV DIVnbsp;/DIV PFONT face=Verdana size=2Robert G. Freeman/FONTFONT face=Times New RomanBR/FONTFONT face=Verdana size=2Technical Management ConsultantBRTUSC - The Oracle Experts www.tusc.comBR904.708.5076 Cell (it's everywhere that I am!)BRAuthor of several books you can find on Amazon.com!/FONT /P BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style=MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=leftFONT face=Tahoma size=2-Original Message-BRBFrom:/B Jamadagni, Rajendra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]BRBSent:/B Wednesday, January 22, 2003 7:19 AMBRBTo:/B Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LBRBSubject:/B RE: dbms_job - running jobs every 15 minutesBRBR/FONT/DIV PFONT size=2I simplified it by using cron instead ... lt;ggt;/FONT /P PFONT size=2Raj/FONT BRFONT size=2__/FONT BRFONT size=2Rajendra Jamadagninbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; MIS, ESPN Inc./FONT BRFONT size=2Rajendra dot Jamadagni at ESPN dot com/FONT BRFONT size=2Any opinion expressed here is personal and doesn't reflect that of ESPN Inc. /FONTBRFONT size=2QOTD: Any clod can have facts, but having an opinion is an art!/FONT /PBR PFONT size=2-Original Message-/FONT BRFONT size=2From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [A href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED];mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A]/FON T BRFONT size=2Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 7:24 PM/FONT BRFONT size=2To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L/FONT BRFONT size=2Subject: dbms_job - running jobs every 15 minutes/FONT /PBR PFONT size=2Feeling particularly anal the other day,nbsp; I used the following /FONTBRFONT size=2specification to/FONT BRFONT size=2run statspack at the top of the hour, 15, 30 and 45 minutes after the /FONTBRFONT size=2hour./FONT /P PFONT size=2variable jobno number;/FONT BRFONT size=2variable instno number;/FONT BRFONT size=2begin/FONT BRFONT size=2nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; select instance_number into :instno from v$instance;/FONT BRFONT size=2nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; dbms_job.submit(/FONT BRFONT size=2nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp ;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; :jobno/FONT BRFONT
Re:RE: dbms_job - running jobs every 15 minutes
Now as discussed, if the job is scheduled to start at 9:00 AM and runbs for 5 minutes it's next_date for run #2 will be 9:20, not 9:15, and it will creep 5 minutes every time. No, as written, my jobs start on every quarter hour, regardless of runtime. e.g. 09:00, 09:15, 09:30, 09:45 ... Jared [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/22/2003 08:34 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re:RE: dbms_job - running jobs every 15 minutes One potential problem with DBMS_JOBS as is being discussed here is that Oracle computes the next_date at the end of the job. They do that so that if a job runs longer than it's schedule interval the two invocations will not run into each other. Now as discussed, if the job is scheduled to start at 9:00 AM and runbs for 5 minutes it's next_date for run #2 will be 9:20, not 9:15, and it will creep 5 minutes every time. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Freeman Robert - IL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 1/22/2003 7:09 AM Cron? How 1980's :-)) RF Robert G. Freeman Technical Management Consultant TUSC - The Oracle Experts www.tusc.com 904.708.5076 Cell (it's everywhere that I am!) Author of several books you can find on Amazon.com! -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 7:19 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I simplified it by using cron instead ... g Raj __ Rajendra Jamadagni MIS, ESPN Inc. Rajendra dot Jamadagni at ESPN dot com Any opinion expressed here is personal and doesn't reflect that of ESPN Inc. QOTD: Any clod can have facts, but having an opinion is an art! -Original Message- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 7:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Feeling particularly anal the other day, I used the following specification to run statspack at the top of the hour, 15, 30 and 45 minutes after the hour. variable jobno number; variable instno number; begin select instance_number into :instno from v$instance; dbms_job.submit( :jobno , 'statspack.snap;' -- every 15 minutes at 00,15,30 and 45 , trunc(sysdate,'hh24') + ( ( 15 + ( 15 * floor(to_number(to_char(sysdate,'mi')) / 15))) / ( 24 * 60 )) , 'trunc(sysdate,''hh24'') + ( ( 15 + ( 15 * floor(to_number(to_char(sysdate,''mi'')) / 15))) / ( 24 * 60 ))' ); commit; end; / Seems to me that the time specs could be simplified a bit. Anyone care to give it a go? :) Jared !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN HTMLHEAD META HTTP-EQUIV=Content-Type CONTENT=text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 TITLERE: dbms_job - running jobs every 15 minutes/TITLE META content=MSHTML 6.00.2800.1126 name=GENERATOR/HEAD BODY DIVSPAN class=56935-22012003FONT face=Arial color=#ff size=2Cron? How 1980's :-))/FONT/SPAN/DIV DIVSPAN class=56935-22012003FONT face=Arial color=#ff size=2/FONT/SPANnbsp;/DIV DIVSPAN class=56935-22012003FONT face=Arial color=#ff size=2RF/FONT/SPAN/DIV DIVnbsp;/DIV PFONT face=Verdana size=2Robert G. Freeman/FONTFONT face=Times New RomanBR/FONTFONT face=Verdana size=2Technical Management ConsultantBRTUSC - The Oracle Experts www.tusc.comBR904.708.5076 Cell (it's everywhere that I am!)BRAuthor of several books you can find on Amazon.com!/FONT /P BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style=MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=leftFONT face=Tahoma size=2-Original Message-BRBFrom:/B Jamadagni, Rajendra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]BRBSent:/B Wednesday, January 22, 2003 7:19 AMBRBTo:/B Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LBRBSubject:/B RE: dbms_job - running jobs every 15 minutesBRBR/FONT/DIV PFONT size=2I simplified it by using cron instead ... lt;ggt;/FONT /P PFONT size=2Raj/FONT BRFONT size=2__/FONT BRFONT size=2Rajendra Jamadagninbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; MIS, ESPN Inc./FONT BRFONT size=2Rajendra dot Jamadagni at ESPN dot com/FONT BRFONT size=2Any opinion expressed here is personal and doesn't reflect that of ESPN Inc. /FONTBRFONT size=2QOTD: Any clod can have facts, but having an opinion is an art!/FONT /PBR PFONT size=2-Original Message-/FONT BRFONT size=2From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [A href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED];mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A]/FON T BRFONT size=2Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 7:24 PM/FONT BRFONT size=2To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L/FONT BRFONT size=2Subject: dbms_job - running jobs every 15 minutes/FONT /PBR PFONT size=2Feeling particularly anal the other day,nbsp; I used the following /FONTBRFONT
Re:RE: dbms_job - running jobs every 15 minutes
Actually, Interval is evaluated at the beginning of the job according to the docs. I've not seen anyone mention the real cause behind DBMS_Job creep. That is the setting of Job_Queue_Interval which, by default, is 60 seconds. So your jobs will run 1 minute later each time unless you set Interval to evaluate to an absolute. If someone's set Job_Queue_Interval longer, the creep will be longer as well. Jack C. Applewhite Database Administrator Austin Independent School District Austin, Texas 512.414.9715 (wk) 512.935.5929 (pager) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re:RE: dbms_job - running jobs every 15 minutes 01/22/2003 10:34 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L One potential problem with DBMS_JOBS as is being discussed here is that Oracle computes the next_date at the end of the job. They do that so that if a job runs longer than it's schedule interval the two invocations will not run into each other. Now as discussed, if the job is scheduled to start at 9:00 AM and runbs for 5 minutes it's next_date for run #2 will be 9:20, not 9:15, and it will creep 5 minutes every time. Dick Goulet -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:RE: dbms_job - running jobs every 15 minutes
Oracle does not guarantee that the job will start at the time specified; it seems that it usually starts about 1 minute later, at least that's what I see. This would account for the creep, as when the interval is evaluated, it is later than you might expect. Jared [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/22/2003 11:39 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re:RE: dbms_job - running jobs every 15 minutes Actually, Interval is evaluated at the beginning of the job according to the docs. I've not seen anyone mention the real cause behind DBMS_Job creep. That is the setting of Job_Queue_Interval which, by default, is 60 seconds. So your jobs will run 1 minute later each time unless you set Interval to evaluate to an absolute. If someone's set Job_Queue_Interval longer, the creep will be longer as well. Jack C. Applewhite Database Administrator Austin Independent School District Austin, Texas 512.414.9715 (wk) 512.935.5929 (pager) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re:RE: dbms_job - running jobs every 15 minutes 01/22/2003 10:34 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L One potential problem with DBMS_JOBS as is being discussed here is that Oracle computes the next_date at the end of the job. They do that so that if a job runs longer than it's schedule interval the two invocations will not run into each other. Now as discussed, if the job is scheduled to start at 9:00 AM and runbs for 5 minutes it's next_date for run #2 will be 9:20, not 9:15, and it will creep 5 minutes every time. Dick Goulet -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:RE: Important - Oracle Pricing on Standby/DR/Failover dat
Tom, I'm going to agree with both of you, but with reservations. When you have a standby database during normal day to day operations, what value added does it provide to your business? Assuming all is well, nothing it's just overhead. Yes Oracle did do a pile of research and development to offer the capability and therefore yes they are due compensation for that, in relation to the amount of added value you extract from that standby. If your like many a shop where you keep the standby for the day when all hell breaks loose on the primary then the license fee I believe should be prorated to the possibility of that happening. If on the other hand you use it as a read-only reporting database all bets are off. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Mercadante; Thomas F [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 1/16/2003 5:14 AM Jared, why doesn't it seem right? in the case where we are running a standby database, are we not using the software? sure, the users are not directly connected. but every transaction that they enter in the primary database is being posted to the standby. if we were not required to pay for this standy-by database, how would Oracle get paid for all the development time they put in to offer such a service? seems reasonable to me. as for the failover requirment (10 day limit), Oracle is wrong in this one - the database is always running on one server only. and they (Oracle) have done nothing to offer a better service that has not been already paid for. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 11:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Thanks Tony. Looks like Larry E is trying to boost revenues in a down economy by any means necessary. You're right, this doesn't seem right. Jared On Wednesday 15 January 2003 19:08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All For those sites with either a standby, DR or failover database, the following information is very important to you. You could be in breach of Oracle's Licensing agreement and could cost you $100,000s if not millions $$ (Read the summary at the end if you want to skip the details) ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mercadante, Thomas F INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:RE: Big Brother is Here
Not to be cruel to those with AIDS, but does this mean it gets a new definition: Airborne Internet Directory Service?? Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Deshpande; Kirti [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 1/10/2003 11:25 AM So we can now listen to those viruses? ;) - Kirti -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 12:46 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L OK, this is a little off topic, but if MicroSlop gets this to work, how long before OEM will have a link into the same technology?? I always thought that the computers were here to server us, not the other way around. Just what I need, an OEM job blowing and my having to fix it from the head!! Dick Goulet Microsoft eyes global radio network to support smart devices Microsoft plans to build a global FM radio network to support its Smart Personal Objects Technology efforts, embedding an FM receiver that works anywhere in the world. http://computerworld.com/newsletter/0%2C4902%2C77442%2C0.html?nlid=AM -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Deshpande, Kirti INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:RE: test this email ad
The first time I read this it did not make sense, but now the light bulb has finally come on. I'll just add these folks to the s%$list. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 4:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Tim, I think you are wasting your time. A threat from Dick is meaningless...cause they appear not to know Dick! I checked their website. Instead of 'Contact Us' it says 'Contacts Us' on each page...And I'm going to trust them to monitor my database? -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 2:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Um... This looks like a sales critter post... So, let's test it... Tell me Paul... Exactly why is this tool so wonderful??? And, a simple cut and paste of marketing material won't do... What exactly does it do for you that is so wonderful??? How does it free up your time??? FYI, if you are a sales critter, you shouldn't post this kind of stuff unless you have some idea of what you're are talking about... We do have a couple sales critters around but they maintain a fairly low profile and actually contribute to the list... And whatever you do don't get get on Dick's bad side... Right Dick? :-) Tim !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN HTMLHEAD META HTTP-EQUIV=Content-Type CONTENT=text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 META content=MSHTML 5.50.4134.600 name=GENERATOR/HEAD BODY bgColor=#ff leftMargin=70 topMargin=0 marginheight=0 marginwidth=70 DIVSPAN class=211281917-09012003FONT face=Arial color=#ff size=2Here is a quote from my Damager when I send him the link to this marvelous product:/FONT/SPAN/DIV DIVSPAN class=211281917-09012003FONT face=Arial color=#ff size=2/FONT/SPANnbsp;/DIV DIVSPAN class=211281917-09012003FONT face=Arial color=#ff size=2 /FONTFONT face=ArialFONT color=#ffFONT size=2SPAN class=211281917-09012003W/SPANhere do I signup. At a buck and three quarters an hour I'll replace all of you slackards. /FONT/FONT/FONT/SPAN/DIV DIVSPAN class=211281917-09012003FONT face=Arial color=#ff size=2/FONT/SPANnbsp;/DIV DIVSPAN class=211281917-09012003FONT face=Arial color=#ff size=2And told him he will probably get what he paid for :) /FONT/SPAN/DIV DIVSPAN class=211281917-09012003/SPANSPAN class=211281917-09012003FONT face=Arial color=#ff size=2/FONT/SPANnbsp;/DIV DIVSPAN class=211281917-09012003FONT face=Arial color=#ff size=2- Kirti/FONT/SPAN/DIV DIVSPAN class=211281917-09012003FONT face=Arial color=#ff size=2/FONT/SPANnbsp;/DIV DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=leftFONT face=Tahoma size=2-Original Message-BRBFrom:/B Fink, Dan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]BRBSent:/B Wednesday, January 08, 2003 4:30 PMBRBTo:/B Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LBRBSubject:/B RE: test this email adBRBR/FONT/DIV DIVFONT face=Arial color=#ff size=2SPAN class=409202822-08012003Tim,/SPAN/FONT/DIV DIVFONT face=Arial color=#ff size=2SPAN class=409202822-08012003nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; I think you are wasting your time. A threat from Dick is meaningless...cause they appear not to know Dick!/SPAN/FONT/DIV DIVFONT face=Arial color=#ff size=2SPAN class=409202822-08012003nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; I checked their website. Instead of 'Contact Us' it says 'Contacts Us' on each page...And I'm going to trust them to monitor my database? /SPAN/FONT/DIV BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style=MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=leftFONT face=Tahoma size=2-Original Message-BRBFrom:/B Johnston, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]BRBSent:/B Wednesday, January 08, 2003 2:59 PMBRBTo:/B Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LBRBSubject:/B RE: test this email adBRBR/FONT/DIV DIVSPAN class=469575821-08012003FONT face=Arial color=#ff size=2Um...nbsp; This looks like a sales critter post...nbsp; So, let's test it...nbsp; Tell me Paul...nbsp; Exactly why is this tool so wonderful???nbsp; And, a simple cut and paste of marketing material won't do...nbsp; What exactly does it do for you that is so wonderful???nbsp;nbsp;How does it free up your time???nbsp;nbsp;FYI, if you are a sales critter, you shouldn't post this kind of stuff unless you have some idea of what you'renbsp;are talking about...nbsp; We do have a couple sales critters around but they maintain a fairly low profile and actually contribute to the list...nbsp; And whatever you do don't get get on Dick's bad side...nbsp; Right Dick?/FONT/SPAN/DIV DIVSPAN class=469575821-08012003FONT face=Arial color=#ff size=2/FONT/SPANnbsp;/DIV DIVSPAN class=469575821-08012003FONT face=Arial color=#ff size=2:-)/FONT/SPAN/DIV DIVSPAN class=469575821-08012003FONT face=Arial color=#ff size=2/FONT/SPANnbsp;/DIV DIVSPAN class=469575821-08012003FONT face=Arial color=#ff size=2Tim/FONT/SPAN/DIV BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style=MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px DIV
Re:RE: Centralized StatsPack Repository
I also was informed during the iTAR process that they will support a centralized repository, but you'll have to wait till 10i for it. Heck I've haven't gotten a play instance of 9i up yet. 10i, maybe by 2010!!! I really don't want to wait that long!! Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Jamadagni; Rajendra [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 1/2/2003 12:51 PM Steve, I am leaning more towards Oracle Streams ... Raj __ Rajendra Jamadagni MIS, ESPN Inc. Rajendra dot Jamadagni at ESPN dot com Any opinion expressed here is personal and doesn't reflect that of ESPN Inc. QOTD: Any clod can have facts, but having an opinion is an art! -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 3:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L An Oracle emp told me they plan to support a centralized statspack repository but it's not supported yet. In the stats$snapshot table the snap_id, dbid, and instance_number columns should be unique. The trick is automagically populating the mother of all statspack repositories with a maintenance-free routine. Replication? I've modified some of the statspack tables and it still works. You'll need to study the ddl for the statspack objects of course. So if you have a repository of 1/2 dozen databases is it a statspack sixpack? SQLdesc stats$snapshot Name Null?Type - SNAP_ID NOT NULL NUMBER(6) DBID NOT NULL NUMBER INSTANCE_NUMBER NOT NULL NUMBER SNAP_TIME NOT NULL DATE STARTUP_TIME NOT NULL DATE SESSION_IDNOT NULL NUMBER SERIAL#NUMBER SNAP_LEVEL NUMBER UCOMMENT VARCHAR2(160) EXECUTIONS_TH NUMBER PARSE_CALLS_TH NUMBER DISK_READS_TH NUMBER BUFFER_GETS_TH NUMBER SHARABLE_MEM_THNUMBER VERSION_COUNT_TH NUMBER ALL_INIT VARCHAR2(5) Steve Orr Bozeman, MT -Original Message- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 11:34 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I am currently working on a design ... basically it is simple to set-up, but the problem I am facing is how to automatically move dataset for one snapshot from prod db to the central db. Raj __ Rajendra Jamadagni MIS, ESPN Inc. Rajendra dot Jamadagni at ESPN dot com Any opinion expressed here is personal and doesn't reflect that of ESPN Inc. QOTD: Any clod can have facts, but having an opinion is an art! -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 1:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L To ALL, We'd like to establish a centralized stats pack repository, but OTS is telling us that it's NOT doable for a couple of reasons. As you can guess I don't believe them and am looking around to see if anyone else has done this before I break out the power tools and start building something on my own. Dick Goulet -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN HTMLHEAD META HTTP-EQUIV=Content-Type CONTENT=text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 TITLERE: Centralized StatsPack Repository/TITLE META content=MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800 name=GENERATOR/HEAD BODY DIVSPAN class=986215120-02012003FONT face=Courier New color=#ff size=2Steve,/FONT/SPAN/DIV DIVSPAN class=986215120-02012003FONT face=Courier New color=#ff size=2/FONT/SPANnbsp;/DIV DIVSPAN class=986215120-02012003FONT face=Courier New color=#ff size=2I am leaning more towards Oracle Streams .../FONT/SPAN/DIV DIVSPAN class=986215120-02012003FONT face=Courier New color=#ff size=2/FONT/SPANnbsp;/DIV
Re:RE: functions/procedures and commits
Tom, Correction, all DDL statements do an implicit commit. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Mercadante; Thomas F [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 1/2/2003 7:09 AM John, there is no such thing as an implicit commit within Oracle. the only implicit commit that I know of is during a sqlplus session when you exit the program. even this is settable by a sqlplus option. distributed transactions that are controlled by a transaction coordinator (like MS DTC) might issue commits only because the web application requires all updates to be handled by the app-server. but this is different from what you are asking, I think. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 9:14 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Under what circumstances is a COMMIT done implicitly? If I call a function or procedure that performs an insert, but does not do a commit, will a commit be implicitly performed when the function ends? i.e. is ... begin INSERT INTO ... etc. end; the same as begin insert_the_record; end; where insert_the_record is a procedure that does the insert, but nothing else. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: John Dunn INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mercadante, Thomas F INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Re:RE: Deadlock
I think I'll resist the temptation to review the entire trace file. However, since this is a v9 deadlock dump, I think you should find that you have a complete processstate dump after the initial deadlock graph. Somewhere near the end of the dump you should find the CURSOR section, which should list all the current cursors for the session. Read through these, they may give you a clue about the SQL that has pushed the TM lock from a 3 to a 5 on the problem table. Regards Jonathan Lewis http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk Coming soon a new one-day tutorial: Cost Based Optimisation (see http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/tutorial.html ) Next Seminar dates: (see http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/seminar.html ) England__January 21/23 The Co-operative Oracle Users' FAQ http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/faq/ind_faq.html -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 27 December 2002 00:15 Yes it is 9013. This is not an array based update. As per the trace file same statement is being executed by both sessions. I can directly send you the trace file if there is a need. There are triggers on the tables, I'll look into parent table activity. But there are indexes on all foreign keys except one which corresponds to a static master table containing PO TYPES. That table is not being updated. How can I dig deeper into this issue. Thanks Shaleen -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jonathan Lewis INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Re:RE: Deadlock
This looks like a v9 trace file, which means there may be new issues involved that I haven't come across yet. For example, 9.2 introduces a mode 2 TM lock on pk/fk activity for some reason that I haven't worked out, so this may be a side-effect. However, (assuming no big changes from v8) this is TM lock in mode 5 (SSX) colliding with a mode 3 (SX), so it is most likely a pk/fk issue - despite your comment to the contrary. If it were a purely data problem I would expect to see a mode 6 TX lock, if it were any of the internal structure issues I would expect to see a mode 4 TX lock. The 'Rows waited on:' line could be down to v9 recording the block address of the most recent buffer busy wait, write wait, etc. which is a very recent enhancement - but since the values are not cleared when the wait ends, this can cause confusion. Is this an array-based update ? And is the SQL from this session (the one that dumped the graph) the same as the SQL that has been dumped for the other session ? Most critically - do you have any triggers on the child table that may be doing parent table activity that you've overlooked ? Regards Jonathan Lewis http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk Coming soon a new one-day tutorial: Cost Based Optimisation (see http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/tutorial.html ) Next Seminar dates: (see http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/seminar.html ) England__January 21/23 The Co-operative Oracle Users' FAQ http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/faq/ind_faq.html -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 24 December 2002 23:49 Jonathan, What do you make out of following deadlock graph. This is happenning when 2 instance of same batch process are running. We are absolutely certain that these batch processes are not working on same set of records (although records can be in same block). object f9d5 is wcu_po_line table. I am unable to understand why the update statements are requesting SSX lock on the table. This is not a case of primary/forign key issue with a missing index in child table where primary key is change in master table because master table is not being updated. Thanks Shaleen Deadlock graph: -Blocker(s) -Waiter(s )-- --- Resource Name process session holds waits process session holds waits TM-f9d5- 390 503SX SSX 290 597 SX SSX TM-f9d5- 290 597SX SSX 390 503 SX SSX session 503: DID 0001-0186-0002 session 597: DID 0001-0122-0002 session 597: DID 0001-0122-0002 session 503: DID 0001-0186-0002 Rows waited on: Session 597: obj - rowid = 98A5 - AAADFAAAGCsAAA (dictionary objn - 39077, file - 197, block - 24748, slot - 0) Session 503: no row SQL statements executed by the waiting sessions: Session 597: UPDATE wcu_po_line SET po_no = :b21, po_line = :b20, item_price = :b19, po_qty = :b18, invoice_shipped_qty = 0, --invoice_shipped_qty distributor_item_no = :b17, current_status = :b16, created_dtm = SYSDATE, status_change_dtm = SYSDATE, --created_dtm return_id = NULL, --return_id_in, return_line_no = NULL, --return_line_no_in, min_qty = :b15, wrap_code = :b14, invoice_id = :b13, gift_wrap_UPC = :b12, gift_wrap_price = :b11, wrap_to_label = :b10, wrap_from_label = :b9, item_cost = nvl(:b7,:b6), xml_po_line = :b8, wmc_item_cost = nvl(:b7,:b6), distributor_id = :b5, po_type = :b4 WHERE po_no = :b3 AND co_order_no = :b2 AND co_line_no = :b1 === - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 3:33 PM -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jonathan Lewis INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Re:RE: Deadlock
Yes it is 9013. This is not an array based update. As per the trace file same statement is being executed by both sessions. I can directly send you the trace file if there is a need. There are triggers on the tables, I'll look into parent table activity. But there are indexes on all foreign keys except one which corresponds to a static master table containing PO TYPES. That table is not being updated. How can I dig deeper into this issue. Thanks Shaleen - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 1:58 AM This looks like a v9 trace file, which means there may be new issues involved that I haven't come across yet. For example, 9.2 introduces a mode 2 TM lock on pk/fk activity for some reason that I haven't worked out, so this may be a side-effect. However, (assuming no big changes from v8) this is TM lock in mode 5 (SSX) colliding with a mode 3 (SX), so it is most likely a pk/fk issue - despite your comment to the contrary. If it were a purely data problem I would expect to see a mode 6 TX lock, if it were any of the internal structure issues I would expect to see a mode 4 TX lock. The 'Rows waited on:' line could be down to v9 recording the block address of the most recent buffer busy wait, write wait, etc. which is a very recent enhancement - but since the values are not cleared when the wait ends, this can cause confusion. Is this an array-based update ? And is the SQL from this session (the one that dumped the graph) the same as the SQL that has been dumped for the other session ? Most critically - do you have any triggers on the child table that may be doing parent table activity that you've overlooked ? Regards Jonathan Lewis http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk Coming soon a new one-day tutorial: Cost Based Optimisation (see http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/tutorial.html ) Next Seminar dates: (see http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/seminar.html ) England__January 21/23 The Co-operative Oracle Users' FAQ http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/faq/ind_faq.html -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 24 December 2002 23:49 Jonathan, What do you make out of following deadlock graph. This is happenning when 2 instance of same batch process are running. We are absolutely certain that these batch processes are not working on same set of records (although records can be in same block). object f9d5 is wcu_po_line table. I am unable to understand why the update statements are requesting SSX lock on the table. This is not a case of primary/forign key issue with a missing index in child table where primary key is change in master table because master table is not being updated. Thanks Shaleen Deadlock graph: -Blocker(s) -Waiter(s )-- --- Resource Name process session holds waits process session holds waits TM-f9d5- 390 503SX SSX 290 597 SX SSX TM-f9d5- 290 597SX SSX 390 503 SX SSX session 503: DID 0001-0186-0002 session 597: DID 0001-0122-0002 session 597: DID 0001-0122-0002 session 503: DID 0001-0186-0002 Rows waited on: Session 597: obj - rowid = 98A5 - AAADFAAAGCsAAA (dictionary objn - 39077, file - 197, block - 24748, slot - 0) Session 503: no row SQL statements executed by the waiting sessions: Session 597: UPDATE wcu_po_line SET po_no = :b21, po_line = :b20, item_price = :b19, po_qty = :b18, invoice_shipped_qty = 0, --invoice_shipped_qty distributor_item_no = :b17, current_status = :b16, created_dtm = SYSDATE, status_change_dtm = SYSDATE, --created_dtm return_id = NULL, --return_id_in, return_line_no = NULL, --return_line_no_in, min_qty = :b15, wrap_code = :b14, invoice_id = :b13, gift_wrap_UPC = :b12, gift_wrap_price = :b11, wrap_to_label = :b10, wrap_from_label = :b9, item_cost = nvl(:b7,:b6), xml_po_line = :b8, wmc_item_cost = nvl(:b7,:b6), distributor_id = :b5, po_type = :b4 WHERE po_no = :b3 AND co_order_no = :b2 AND co_line_no = :b1 === - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 3:33 PM -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net --
Re: Re:RE: Deadlock
Jonathan, What do you make out of following deadlock graph. This is happenning when 2 instance of same batch process are running. We are absolutely certain that these batch processes are not working on same set of records (although records can be in same block). object f9d5 is wcu_po_line table. I am unable to understand why the update statements are requesting SSX lock on the table. This is not a case of primary/forign key issue with a missing index in child table where primary key is change in master table because master table is not being updated. Thanks Shaleen Deadlock graph: -Blocker(s) -Waiter(s)-- --- Resource Name process session holds waits process session holds waits TM-f9d5- 390 503SX SSX 290 597SX SSX TM-f9d5- 290 597SX SSX 390 503SX SSX session 503: DID 0001-0186-0002 session 597: DID 0001-0122-0002 session 597: DID 0001-0122-0002 session 503: DID 0001-0186-0002 Rows waited on: Session 597: obj - rowid = 98A5 - AAADFAAAGCsAAA (dictionary objn - 39077, file - 197, block - 24748, slot - 0) Session 503: no row SQL statements executed by the waiting sessions: Session 597: UPDATE wcu_po_line SET po_no = :b21, po_line = :b20, item_price = :b19, po_qty = :b18, invoice_shipped_qty = 0, --invoice_shipped_qty distributor_item_no = :b17, current_status = :b16, created_dtm = SYSDATE, status_change_dtm = SYSDATE, --created_dtm return_id = NULL, --return_id_in, return_line_no = NULL, --return_line_no_in, min_qty = :b15, wrap_code = :b14, invoice_id = :b13, gift_wrap_UPC = :b12, gift_wrap_price = :b11, wrap_to_label = :b10, wrap_from_label = :b9, item_cost = nvl(:b7,:b6), xml_po_line = :b8, wmc_item_cost = nvl(:b7,:b6), distributor_id = :b5, po_type = :b4 WHERE po_no = :b3 AND co_order_no = :b2 AND co_line_no = :b1 === - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 3:33 PM There is a deadlock here - but I confused the issue by making complete garbage of the last phrase. Instead of: both X and Y might end up waiting for A. I should have said both Y and Z might end up waiting for X (which is when you won't get the deadlock) The critical point comes in the previous paragraph though: With a little luck, Y will be waiting for Z and Z will be waiting for Y (i.e. DEADLOCK) For Oracle 9, I have only introduced the X session to take out one ITL slot from each of the two blocks because Oracle 9 forces a minimum value of 2 entries per ITL. This really is a deadlock - which will show a deadlock graph with holders in mode 6 and waiters in mode 4. (X and S if I've got the letters right - personally I prefer numbers). Regards Jonathan Lewis http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk Coming soon a new one-day tutorial: Cost Based Optimisation (see http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/tutorial.html ) Next Seminar dates: (see http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/seminar.html ) England__January 21/23 The Co-operative Oracle Users' FAQ http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/faq/ind_faq.html -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 20 December 2002 22:45 Jonathon, This produces ITL waits for sessions Y and Z; but this is not deadlock. The deadlock occurs due to a situation where the Session 1 waits for something to finish in Session 2, which in turn waits for Session 1 AND, this is important, Oracle detects it and kills one of them, rolling back the changes, making a deadlock detected error. Is this not the true error message that occured in the original thread? In your example, sessions Y and Z will wait indefinitely until X commits or rolls back. This is not going to be detected by Oracle nor killed by it. So you wouldn't see a message DEADLOCK DETECTED in alert log. Therefore setting INITRANS higher is not going to help at all. Rather the application logic should be checked to remove a real locking conflict. Am I correct, or am I missing something here? Arup Nanda -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jonathan Lewis INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services
Re:RE: Right ()
OK, NOW can we laugh with you!! Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Aidan Whitehall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 12/23/2002 9:44 AM order by to_number(substr(lt_tk_id,length(lt_tk_id)-1)) Brilliant. Thanks to everyone that mentioned substr. -- Aidan Whitehall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Macromedia ColdFusion Developer Fairbanks Environmental Ltd +44 (0)1695 51775 This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Aidan Whitehall INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Re:RE: Deadlock
It is possible for ITL starvation to result in deadlocks, and changing INITRANS (and rebuilding the problem objects) would help - but no-one can give you an appropriate answer without seeing the deadlock graph that usually comes as The following information It would also help if you told use whether this was an ORA-04020 deadlock (dictionary internal) or ORA-00060 (data related). I think the text is the one that comes with ORA-00060, but the two texts are pretty similar. Regards Jonathan Lewis http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk Coming soon a new one-day tutorial: Cost Based Optimisation (see http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/tutorial.html ) Next Seminar dates: (see http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/seminar.html ) England__January 21/23 The Co-operative Oracle Users' FAQ http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/faq/ind_faq.html -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 12:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi I have been noticing some times following error with one table during update. DEADLOCK DETECTED Current SQL statement for this session: The following deadlock is not an ORACLE error. It is a deadlock due to user error in the design of an application or from issuing incorrect ad-hoc SQL. The following information may aid in determining the deadlock: Is chaning of INITTRANS would help ? Thx -Seema -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jonathan Lewis INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Re:RE: Deadlock
Hello Dick If both processes first update table a and then table b there will be no deadlock problem. The first process will lock the row for update in table a and goes on to update table b. The second one will attempt to lock the row in table a and will wait for the first to finish. This can cause a delay but not a deadlock. I can see another potential problem: Process a selects item 1 and update stock on hand to 0. Process b reads item 1 and sees that stock on hand is 1 as process a did not finished the update in table b yet. In this case process b might decide that it does not need to update the stock on hand. Afterwards process a commit and you got stock on hand = 0 despite the fact that you have it in the warehouse. You must check that process b do select for update or does the update anyway without checking the stock on hand field. Yechiel Adar Mehish - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 12:34 AM Please allow me to provide a case in point on the subject that we discovered and fixed some time ago. We have 2 PeopleSoft SQR's that are used for material movement into and out of the stock room. Both run on a scheduled basis and it is NOT odd to see both running at the same time. Now for every item in the stock room there is an entry in two different tables, one is a master list of all items (TABLE A) and if they have stock in the stock room + a couple of other control type columns. The other table says where the item is and how much is in that location (table B). Not bad at this point. Now, SQRA starts up to allocate material out of the stock room to the assembly floor. It starts by selecting all items that it needs to process and attempts to set stock on hand flag to zero on table A for each item it has. It then looks in the storage location (table B) and updates the quantity on hand field to decrement it by the amount to be sent to the floor. SQRB does similar things setting stock on hand in Table A to 1 and incrementing the on hand quantity in Table B, but in the reverse order. Can you see a potential deadlock brewing?? Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Fink; Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 12/19/2002 2:04 PM Seema, Changing INITRANS may help IF you see waits for data block headers. INITRANS/MAXTRANS deal with the number of transactions that can lock a block at a given time. Deadlocks are caused when TransactionA has locked RowA and TxB has locked RowB. Then TxA needs to lock RowB (but can't because TxB has locked it) and TxB needs to lock RowA (but can't because TxA has locked it). The locks won't be released until the transaction completes, but they cannot complete successfully since they cannot acquire the needed lock. So you have a round robin affair. The transaction discovering the deadlock will be rolled back. Check the application code. Therein lies the problem. Dan Fink -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 12:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi I have been noticing some times following error with one table during update. DEADLOCK DETECTED Current SQL statement for this session: The following deadlock is not an ORACLE error. It is a deadlock due to user error in the design of an application or from issuing incorrect ad-hoc SQL. The following information may aid in determining the deadlock: Is chaning of INITTRANS would help ? Thx -Seema _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Seema Singh INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Fink, Dan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed
Re:RE: Undelete Record
If you have no idea when the data was deleted then your completely out of luck. Bad answer I know, but without that little piece of information it's a needle in several haystacks on several farms type of problem. End of conversation. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: =?iso-8859-1?q?Stephane=20Paquette?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 12/20/2002 6:28 AM We're in this situation right now. A user has delete information and want it back. Problem is that we do not know when it was delete. I have restore 20 copies (days) of the table via import. Going with logminer would have been difficult since we do not know when the data was changed and we have a lot of redo generation. --- Naveen Nahata [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Use logminer http://download-west.oracle.com/docs/cd/B10501_01/server.920/a96521/logminer. htm#17869 Regards Naveen -Original Message- Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 12:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi Listers, I have little problem : how to undelete record that we've delete and commit so I can restore again in my data, thanks a lot. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Sony kristanto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Naveen Nahata INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). = Stéphane Paquette DBA Oracle et DB2, consultant entrepôt de données Oracle and DB2 DBA, datawarehouse consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? magasinage.yahoo.ca -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: =?iso-8859-1?q?Stephane=20Paquette?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:RE: Undelete Record
That's what I told the support team. I can give all the imports that are on the tape and good luck. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : If you have no idea when the data was deleted then your completely out of luck. Bad answer I know, but without that little piece of information it's a needle in several haystacks on several farms type of problem. End of conversation. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: =?iso-8859-1?q?Stephane=20Paquette?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 12/20/2002 6:28 AM We're in this situation right now. A user has delete information and want it back. Problem is that we do not know when it was delete. I have restore 20 copies (days) of the table via import. Going with logminer would have been difficult since we do not know when the data was changed and we have a lot of redo generation. --- Naveen Nahata [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Use logminer http://download-west.oracle.com/docs/cd/B10501_01/server.920/a96521/logminer. htm#17869 Regards Naveen -Original Message- Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 12:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi Listers, I have little problem : how to undelete record that we've delete and commit so I can restore again in my data, thanks a lot. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Sony kristanto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Naveen Nahata INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). = Stéphane Paquette DBA Oracle et DB2, consultant entrepôt de données Oracle and DB2 DBA, datawarehouse consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? magasinage.yahoo.ca -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: =?iso-8859-1?q?Stephane=20Paquette?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). = Stéphane Paquette DBA Oracle et DB2, consultant entrepôt de données Oracle and DB2 DBA, datawarehouse consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? magasinage.yahoo.ca -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: =?iso-8859-1?q?Stephane=20Paquette?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from
RE: Re:RE: Deadlock
Jonathan, What do you mean by ITL starvation? And how would it result in a deadlock? Dan Fink -Original Message- Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 1:44 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L It is possible for ITL starvation to result in deadlocks, and changing INITRANS (and rebuilding the problem objects) would help - but no-one can give you an appropriate answer without seeing the deadlock graph that usually comes as The following information It would also help if you told use whether this was an ORA-04020 deadlock (dictionary internal) or ORA-00060 (data related). I think the text is the one that comes with ORA-00060, but the two texts are pretty similar. Regards Jonathan Lewis http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk Coming soon a new one-day tutorial: Cost Based Optimisation (see http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/tutorial.html ) Next Seminar dates: (see http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/seminar.html ) England__January 21/23 The Co-operative Oracle Users' FAQ http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/faq/ind_faq.html -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 12:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi I have been noticing some times following error with one table during update. DEADLOCK DETECTED Current SQL statement for this session: The following deadlock is not an ORACLE error. It is a deadlock due to user error in the design of an application or from issuing incorrect ad-hoc SQL. The following information may aid in determining the deadlock: Is chaning of INITTRANS would help ? Thx -Seema -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jonathan Lewis INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Fink, Dan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Re:RE: Deadlock
Set maxtrans to 2 on a table. Insert three rows into the same block and commit. Use three sessions to update one row each. The third transaction has to wait for one of the other two transactions to commit, as there are insufficient ITL (interested transaction list) entries for three concurrent transactions on the same block. Now repeat the experiment with: rows A1, B1, C1 in block 1 rows A2, B2, C2 in block 2. Session X updates row A1 and A2, Session Y updates row B1 Session Z updates row C2 Session Y tries to update row B2 and waits because the ITL is full Session Z tries to update row C1 and waits because the ITL is full With a little luck, Y will be waiting for Z and Z will be waiting for Y (i.e. DEADLOCK) but you may have to fiddle with a more complex example, as both X and Y might end up waiting for A. It's easier to do this in 8.1 because MAXTRANS can be set to 1, so you need only use two sessions and two rows per block. Regards Jonathan Lewis http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk Coming soon a new one-day tutorial: Cost Based Optimisation (see http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/tutorial.html ) Next Seminar dates: (see http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/seminar.html ) England__January 21/23 The Co-operative Oracle Users' FAQ http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/faq/ind_faq.html -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 20 December 2002 16:56 Jonathan, What do you mean by ITL starvation? And how would it result in a deadlock? Dan Fink -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jonathan Lewis INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:RE: Object relational features and performance
I've not been to that place but one colleague (ex-job) describe it this way : The developpers only know the objects, they're not aware of the tables. All the locking and relation between the objects is done at the application server level. The application server generates the sql to read/write the tables. So for them a database or a a file, they do not care. I have to start reading about objects, j2ee, xml, uml, java, ... and I thought I would have time to go snowboarding during the Christmas time ;-) --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Just because the development tools are object orientated does not mean that the database has to be as well. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Subject:RE: Object relational features and performance Author: =?iso-8859-1?q?Stephane=20Paquette?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 12/20/2002 9:04 AM Is this the future ??? I know one big bank where the development is object oriented and the database (DB2 UDB in this case) is used as a big flat file. The development is using java, j2ee, bea weblogic. --- DENNIS WILLIAMS [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Stefan - I believe the general consensus had emerged that usually object features aren't worth the effort. Often there are few benefits, and if you don't do it correctly you may see bad performance. Two questions: 1. Are your developers/management enamored with the concept of object, or is this just your own curiosity? 2. Is there something about your application that leads you to believe that it might derive significant benefit from the object features? For general business applications it is hard to beat the flexibility of the good old traditional relational data modeling. The lack of discussion may provide part of the answer to your question. Dennis Williams DBA, 40%OCP Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 6:35 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi everybody I'm not quite sure wether this has been discussed in deep before, but I couldn't find anything satisfieing (hope the spelling is correct ;)) things in the archive. Anyway: Due to my lack of experience with any real life scenarios with Oracle's object relational features, I never tried to recommend the usage of these and always kept to a normal relational approach. Does anybody have any experience with Types / Nested Tables and the like in a (preferrably big) production system of any kind ? What's recommendable, where are the pitfalls ? Any input deeply appreciated, TIA, Stefan -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stefan Jahnke INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). = Stéphane Paquette DBA Oracle et DB2, consultant entrepôt de données Oracle and DB2 DBA, datawarehouse consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? magasinage.yahoo.ca -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: =?iso-8859-1?q?Stephane=20Paquette?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from).
RE: Re:RE: Deadlock
Jonathan, Thanks for the explanation. I've always addressed deadlocks as a row-level issue, but now I see how it can also be a block-level issue. What a way to start the holidays, with new knowledge (and some tests to run!). Dan Fink -Original Message- Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 10:10 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Set maxtrans to 2 on a table. Insert three rows into the same block and commit. Use three sessions to update one row each. The third transaction has to wait for one of the other two transactions to commit, as there are insufficient ITL (interested transaction list) entries for three concurrent transactions on the same block. Now repeat the experiment with: rows A1, B1, C1 in block 1 rows A2, B2, C2 in block 2. Session X updates row A1 and A2, Session Y updates row B1 Session Z updates row C2 Session Y tries to update row B2 and waits because the ITL is full Session Z tries to update row C1 and waits because the ITL is full With a little luck, Y will be waiting for Z and Z will be waiting for Y (i.e. DEADLOCK) but you may have to fiddle with a more complex example, as both X and Y might end up waiting for A. It's easier to do this in 8.1 because MAXTRANS can be set to 1, so you need only use two sessions and two rows per block. Regards Jonathan Lewis http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk Coming soon a new one-day tutorial: Cost Based Optimisation (see http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/tutorial.html ) Next Seminar dates: (see http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/seminar.html ) England__January 21/23 The Co-operative Oracle Users' FAQ http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/faq/ind_faq.html -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 20 December 2002 16:56 Jonathan, What do you mean by ITL starvation? And how would it result in a deadlock? Dan Fink -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jonathan Lewis INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Fink, Dan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:RE: Object relational features and performance
Just because the development tools are object orientated does not mean that the database has to be as well. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: =?iso-8859-1?q?Stephane=20Paquette?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 12/20/2002 9:04 AM Is this the future ??? I know one big bank where the development is object oriented and the database (DB2 UDB in this case) is used as a big flat file. The development is using java, j2ee, bea weblogic. --- DENNIS WILLIAMS [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Stefan - I believe the general consensus had emerged that usually object features aren't worth the effort. Often there are few benefits, and if you don't do it correctly you may see bad performance. Two questions: 1. Are your developers/management enamored with the concept of object, or is this just your own curiosity? 2. Is there something about your application that leads you to believe that it might derive significant benefit from the object features? For general business applications it is hard to beat the flexibility of the good old traditional relational data modeling. The lack of discussion may provide part of the answer to your question. Dennis Williams DBA, 40%OCP Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 6:35 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi everybody I'm not quite sure wether this has been discussed in deep before, but I couldn't find anything satisfieing (hope the spelling is correct ;)) things in the archive. Anyway: Due to my lack of experience with any real life scenarios with Oracle's object relational features, I never tried to recommend the usage of these and always kept to a normal relational approach. Does anybody have any experience with Types / Nested Tables and the like in a (preferrably big) production system of any kind ? What's recommendable, where are the pitfalls ? Any input deeply appreciated, TIA, Stefan -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stefan Jahnke INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). = Stéphane Paquette DBA Oracle et DB2, consultant entrepôt de données Oracle and DB2 DBA, datawarehouse consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? magasinage.yahoo.ca -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: =?iso-8859-1?q?Stephane=20Paquette?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Re:RE: Deadlock
Jonathon, This produces ITL waits for sessions Y and Z; but this is not deadlock. The deadlock occurs due to a situation where the Session 1 waits for something to finish in Session 2, which in turn waits for Session 1 AND, this is important, Oracle detects it and kills one of them, rolling back the changes, making a deadlock detected error. Is this not the true error message that occured in the original thread? In your example, sessions Y and Z will wait indefinitely until X commits or rolls back. This is not going to be detected by Oracle nor killed by it. So you wouldn't see a message DEADLOCK DETECTED in alert log. Therefore setting INITRANS higher is not going to help at all. Rather the application logic should be checked to remove a real locking conflict. Am I correct, or am I missing something here? Arup Nanda Original Post Hi I have been noticing some times following error with one table during update. DEADLOCK DETECTED Current SQL statement for this session: The following deadlock is not an ORACLE error. It is a deadlock due to user error in the design of an application or from issuing incorrect ad-hoc SQL. The following information may aid in determining the deadlock: Is chaning of INITTRANS would help ? Thx -Seema /Original Post - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 12:10 PM Set maxtrans to 2 on a table. Insert three rows into the same block and commit. Use three sessions to update one row each. The third transaction has to wait for one of the other two transactions to commit, as there are insufficient ITL (interested transaction list) entries for three concurrent transactions on the same block. Now repeat the experiment with: rows A1, B1, C1 in block 1 rows A2, B2, C2 in block 2. Session X updates row A1 and A2, Session Y updates row B1 Session Z updates row C2 Session Y tries to update row B2 and waits because the ITL is full Session Z tries to update row C1 and waits because the ITL is full With a little luck, Y will be waiting for Z and Z will be waiting for Y (i.e. DEADLOCK) but you may have to fiddle with a more complex example, as both X and Y might end up waiting for A. It's easier to do this in 8.1 because MAXTRANS can be set to 1, so you need only use two sessions and two rows per block. Regards Jonathan Lewis http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk Coming soon a new one-day tutorial: Cost Based Optimisation (see http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/tutorial.html ) Next Seminar dates: (see http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/seminar.html ) England__January 21/23 The Co-operative Oracle Users' FAQ http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/faq/ind_faq.html -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 20 December 2002 16:56 Jonathan, What do you mean by ITL starvation? And how would it result in a deadlock? Dan Fink -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jonathan Lewis INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Arup Nanda INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Re:RE: Deadlock
There is a deadlock here - but I confused the issue by making complete garbage of the last phrase. Instead of: both X and Y might end up waiting for A. I should have said both Y and Z might end up waiting for X (which is when you won't get the deadlock) The critical point comes in the previous paragraph though: With a little luck, Y will be waiting for Z and Z will be waiting for Y (i.e. DEADLOCK) For Oracle 9, I have only introduced the X session to take out one ITL slot from each of the two blocks because Oracle 9 forces a minimum value of 2 entries per ITL. This really is a deadlock - which will show a deadlock graph with holders in mode 6 and waiters in mode 4. (X and S if I've got the letters right - personally I prefer numbers). Regards Jonathan Lewis http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk Coming soon a new one-day tutorial: Cost Based Optimisation (see http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/tutorial.html ) Next Seminar dates: (see http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/seminar.html ) England__January 21/23 The Co-operative Oracle Users' FAQ http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/faq/ind_faq.html -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 20 December 2002 22:45 Jonathon, This produces ITL waits for sessions Y and Z; but this is not deadlock. The deadlock occurs due to a situation where the Session 1 waits for something to finish in Session 2, which in turn waits for Session 1 AND, this is important, Oracle detects it and kills one of them, rolling back the changes, making a deadlock detected error. Is this not the true error message that occured in the original thread? In your example, sessions Y and Z will wait indefinitely until X commits or rolls back. This is not going to be detected by Oracle nor killed by it. So you wouldn't see a message DEADLOCK DETECTED in alert log. Therefore setting INITRANS higher is not going to help at all. Rather the application logic should be checked to remove a real locking conflict. Am I correct, or am I missing something here? Arup Nanda -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jonathan Lewis INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:RE: Deadlock
Please allow me to provide a case in point on the subject that we discovered and fixed some time ago. We have 2 PeopleSoft SQR's that are used for material movement into and out of the stock room. Both run on a scheduled basis and it is NOT odd to see both running at the same time. Now for every item in the stock room there is an entry in two different tables, one is a master list of all items (TABLE A) and if they have stock in the stock room + a couple of other control type columns. The other table says where the item is and how much is in that location (table B). Not bad at this point. Now, SQRA starts up to allocate material out of the stock room to the assembly floor. It starts by selecting all items that it needs to process and attempts to set stock on hand flag to zero on table A for each item it has. It then looks in the storage location (table B) and updates the quantity on hand field to decrement it by the amount to be sent to the floor. SQRB does similar things setting stock on hand in Table A to 1 and incrementing the on hand quantity in Table B, but in the reverse order. Can you see a potential deadlock brewing?? Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Fink; Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 12/19/2002 2:04 PM Seema, Changing INITRANS may help IF you see waits for data block headers. INITRANS/MAXTRANS deal with the number of transactions that can lock a block at a given time. Deadlocks are caused when TransactionA has locked RowA and TxB has locked RowB. Then TxA needs to lock RowB (but can't because TxB has locked it) and TxB needs to lock RowA (but can't because TxA has locked it). The locks won't be released until the transaction completes, but they cannot complete successfully since they cannot acquire the needed lock. So you have a round robin affair. The transaction discovering the deadlock will be rolled back. Check the application code. Therein lies the problem. Dan Fink -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 12:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi I have been noticing some times following error with one table during update. DEADLOCK DETECTED Current SQL statement for this session: The following deadlock is not an ORACLE error. It is a deadlock due to user error in the design of an application or from issuing incorrect ad-hoc SQL. The following information may aid in determining the deadlock: Is chaning of INITTRANS would help ? Thx -Seema _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Seema Singh INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Fink, Dan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:RE: password
Anyone know who that hacker is?? Reply Separator Author: Mark Leith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 12/17/2002 6:23 AM Yes, you can do this, but it still doesn't tell you the users *current* password does it? Has anyone tried: http://home.earthlink.net/~adamshalon/oracle_password_cracker/ ? Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 December 2002 13:59 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: password And you can use it to change it to your convenience and later get this encrypted password IN without the knowledge of the user.. Regards Jai Paulo Gomes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/17/02 06:08 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L To:Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: password nope u can get the encripted password from the oracle dictionáry -Original Message- From: Mark Leith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: terça-feira, 17 de Dezembro de 2002 11:34 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: password Check the post-it note on their monitor? :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Paulo Gomes Sent: 17 December 2002 10:55 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: password he can't but he can change it to a new one and then put the old back on -Original Message- From: faisal ahmad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: terça-feira, 17 de Dezembro de 2002 4:09 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: password how can a dba see the password of a user. -- The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: faisal ahmad INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services --- -- To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN HTMLHEAD META content=text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 http-equiv=Content-Type META content=MSHTML 5.00.3510.1100 name=GENERATOR/HEAD BODY DIVFONT color=#ff face=Arial size=2SPAN class=986091614-17122002Yes, you can do this, but it still doesn't tell you the users *current* password does it? /SPAN/FONT/DIV DIVFONT color=#ff face=Arial size=2SPAN class=986091614-17122002/SPAN/FONTnbsp;/DIV DIVFONT color=#ff face=Arial size=2SPAN class=986091614-17122002Has anyone tried:/SPAN/FONT/DIV DIVFONT color=#ff face=Arial size=2SPAN class=986091614-17122002/SPAN/FONTnbsp;/DIV DIVFONT color=#ff face=Arial size=2SPAN class=986091614-17122002A href=http://home.earthlink.net/~adamshalon/oracle_password_cracker/;http://hom e.earthlink.net/~adamshalon/oracle_password_cracker//A/SPAN/FONT/DIV DIVFONT color=#ff face=Arial size=2SPAN class=986091614-17122002/SPAN/FONTnbsp;/DIV DIVFONT color=#ff face=Arial size=2SPAN class=986091614-17122002?/SPAN/FONT/DIV DIVFONT color=#ff face=Arial size=2SPAN class=986091614-17122002/SPAN/FONTnbsp;/DIV DIVFONT color=#ff face=Arial size=2SPAN class=986091614-17122002Mark/SPAN/FONT/DIV BLOCKQUOTE DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltrFONT face=Tahoma size=2-Original Message-BRBFrom:/B [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]BOn Behalf Of /B[EMAIL PROTECTED]BRBSent:/B 17 December 2002 13:59BRBTo:/B Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LBRBSubject:/B RE: passwordBRBR/DIV/FONTBRFONT face=sans-serif size=2And you can use it to change it to your convenience and later/FONT BRFONT face=sans-serif size=2get this encrypted password IN without the knowledge of/FONT BRFONT face=sans-serif size=2the user../FONT BRFONT face=sans-serif size=2BRRegardsBRJai/FONT BRBRBR TABLE width=100% TBODY TR vAlign=top TD TDFONT face=sans-serif size=1BPaulo Gomes lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt;/B/FONT BRFONT face=sans-serif size=1Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]/FONT PFONT face=sans-serif size=112/17/02 06:08 PM/FONT BRFONT face=sans-serif size=1Please respond to ORACLE-L/FONT BR/P TDFONT face=Arial size=1nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; /FONTBRFONT face=sans-serif size=1nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; To: nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp;Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Re:RE: password
Try this sql script:
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set verify off
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column password new_value _pwd noprint
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alter user usrname identified by dummy;
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Check the post-it note on their monitor?
:)
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he can't but he can change it to a new one and then put the old back on
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Re:RE: a PL/SQL design question.
DBMS jobs are good things for stuff that can occur totally within the database and on a scheduled basis only. It sounds, RAJ, like your developers made a real mess. What would have been a better idea would have been to have the trigger update a table that the job on a scheduled basis checked for what it needed to do. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Jamadagni; Rajendra [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 12/10/2002 4:38 AM Jeremy, as I wholeheartedly agree that dbms_job is a good thing, here is my recent experience ... One of the development group recently posed us the question Can we use a db trigger to fire a dbms_job to be executed only once? we reluctantly agreed only on the condition that this job will not be a repeating job as 9012 has had its own problems with dbms_job (the server sometimes forgets that there a jobs to run ...). The dev team tested it in ACPT and okayed it to go. That night I was on call and computer room called me to say that the system is very slow and one of the support person called to say that they were getting ora-4030 errors on simple selects. Well I logged on, looked at the system, it showed some load, but then I looked at dba_job queue and boy there were 14000 jobs sitting waiting to be run. bottom line: I shut off job_queue_processes to zero, disabled the triggers on the tables that submitted these jobs, gave all the details to the developer and his manager after waking them up at 2am and received a promise that they will fix the code tomorrow before 12noon. They did. The reason, the development team didn't anticipate that there will be so many changes so they didn't optimize their code. I am all for AQ solution ... though I like dbms_job and they do work as advertised unless of course you are using 901x where thee are some bugs. My $0.02 Raj __ Rajendra Jamadagni MIS, ESPN Inc. Rajendra dot Jamadagni at ESPN dot com Any opinion expressed here is personal and doesn't reflect that of ESPN Inc. QOTD: Any clod can have facts, but having an opinion is an art! !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN HTML HEAD META HTTP-EQUIV=Content-Type CONTENT=text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 META NAME=Generator CONTENT=MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2654.45 TITLERE: a PL/SQL design question./TITLE /HEAD BODY PFONT SIZE=2Jeremy, as I wholeheartedly agree that dbms_job is a good thing, here is my recent experience .../FONT /P PFONT SIZE=2One of the development group recently posed us the question quot;Can we use a db trigger to fire a dbms_job to be executed only once?quot; we reluctantly agreed only on the condition that this job will not be a repeating job as 9012 has had its own problems with dbms_job (the server sometimes forgets that there a jobs to run ...). /FONT/P PFONT SIZE=2The dev team tested it in ACPT and okayed it to go. That night I was on call and computer room called me to say that the system is very slow and one of the support person called to say that they were getting ora-4030 errors on simple selects./FONT/P PFONT SIZE=2Well I logged on, looked at the system, it showed some load, but then I looked at dba_job queue and boy there were 14000 jobs sitting waiting to be run. /FONT/P PFONT SIZE=2bottom line: I shut off job_queue_processes to zero, disabled the triggers on the tables that submitted these jobs, gave all the details to the developer and his manager after waking them up at 2am and received a promise that they will fix the code tomorrow before 12noon. They did./FONT/P PFONT SIZE=2The reason, the development team quot;didn't anticipatequot; that there will be so many changes so they didn't optimize their code./FONT/P PFONT SIZE=2I am all for AQ solution ... though I like dbms_job and they do work as advertised unless of course you are using 901x where thee are some bugs./FONT/P PFONT SIZE=2My $0.02/FONT /P PFONT SIZE=2Raj/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2__/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2Rajendra Jamadagninbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp ;nbsp; MIS, ESPN Inc./FONT BRFONT SIZE=2Rajendra dot Jamadagni at ESPN dot com/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2Any opinion expressed here is personal and doesn't reflect that of ESPN Inc. /FONT BRFONT SIZE=2QOTD: Any clod can have facts, but having an opinion is an art!/FONT /P /BODY /HTML This e-mail message is confidential, intended only for the named recipient(s) above and may contain information that is privileged, attorney work product or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received this message in error, or are not the named recipient(s), please immediately notify corporate MIS at (860) 766-2000 and delete this e-mail message from your computer, Thank you.*2
Re:RE: Too many db calls
Cary, This is one topic I'll disagree with you. Assume an application that uses the database, but is on a machine outside the db server. Having a number of calls that return one or two rows will have a negative network impact that is the results of SQL*Net and it's inefficiencies. It is better in this case to encapsulate all of the database interaction into a package where bind variables will be used to return the desired results. Using DBMS_SQL is a really BAD thing to do for stuff like that. OH, I really think that using DBMS_SQL is a whole lot easier, for some things that is, than PRO*C's prepare, declare, open, fetch, and close especially if you have to use that unwieldy SQLDA. Lastly, I am not a proponent of having the application merge result sets. Most times the merged results are smaller in size than the sum of the source giving your network one heck of a headache. BTW: I don't evaluate applications by their BCHR, but by their response time. Hit the return key, if I get an answer back in 10 seconds from the original and 5 seconds from the revised, something was done right. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Cary Millsap [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 11/16/2002 1:49 AM Greg, That's one case. PL/SQL is a really poor language in which to write an application. The language tricks you into believing that writing a scalable application can be accomplished in just a few lines of 4GL code, but it's really not true. To write scalable PL/SQL, you need to use DBMS_SQL. The resulting code is even more cumbersome than the same function written in Pro*C. Any language can be abused, though. We see a lot of Java, Visual Basic, and Powerbuilder applications that do stuff like... 1. Parse inside loops, using literals instead of bind variables. 2. Parse *twice* for each execute by doing describe+parse+execute. 3. Manipulate one row at a time instead of using array processing capabilities on fetches or inserts (this one, ironically, raises a system's BCHR while it kills response time). 4. Join result sets in the application instead of in the database. Cary Millsap Hotsos Enterprises, Ltd. http://www.hotsos.com Upcoming events: - Hotsos Clinic, Dec 9-11 Honolulu - 2003 Hotsos Symposium on OracleR System Performance, Feb 9-12 Dallas - Jonathan Lewis' Optimising Oracle, Nov 19-21 Dallas -Original Message- Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 2:38 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Cary, Thank you. Could you elaborate on the issue of excessive database calls, which show up as excessive network traffic? I can picture a PL/SQL loop, which executes an SQL statement over and over again. This would produce many database calls, and it might be possible to remove the loop altogether, replacing it with a single SQL statement. This would reduce the database calls. Is this the classic type of situation that produces too many db calls? Or are there other situations I'm missing that are more likely to be the source of this problem? Thanks again. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 4:13 PM Greg, I believe that the cultural root cause of the excessive LIO problem is the conception that physical I/O is what makes databases slow. Disk I/O certainly *can* make a system slow, but in about 598 of 600 cases we've seen in the past three years, it hasn't. [Why you should focus on LIOs instead of PIOs at www.hotsos.com/catalog] The fixation on PIO of course focuses people's attention on the database buffer cache hit ratio (BCHR) metric for evaluating efficiency. The problem is that the BCHR is a metric of INSTANCE efficiency, not SQL efficiency. However, many people mistakenly apply it as a metric of SQL efficiency anyway. Of course, if one's radar equates SQL efficiency with the BCHR's proximity to 100%, then a lot of really bad SQL is going to show up on your radar wrongly identified as really good SQL. [Why a 99% buffer cache hit ratio is not okay at www.hotsos.com/catalog] One classic result is that people go on search and destroy missions for all full-table scans. They end up producing more execution plans that look like this than they should have: NESTED LOOPS TABLE ACCESS BY INDEX ROWID INDEX RANGE SCAN TABLE ACCESS BY INDEX ROWID INDEX RANGE SCAN This kind of plan produces great hit ratios because it tends to revisit the same small set of blocks over and over again. This kind of plan is of course appropriate in many cases. But sometimes it is actually less work in the database to use full-table scans. [When to use an index at www.hotsos.com/catalog.] Cary Millsap Hotsos Enterprises, Ltd. http://www.hotsos.com Upcoming events: - Hotsos Clinic, Dec 9-11 Honolulu - 2003 Hotsos Symposium on OracleR System Performance, Feb 9-12 Dallas - Jonathan Lewis' Optimising Oracle, Nov 19-21 Dallas
Re:RE: Too many db calls
One thing to remember is that not every user call becomes a network interaction. It is actually far from that. For example: open, parse, bind, define, execute - is 5 user calls but one sqlnet round trip. (AKA bundled or deferred) Anjo. On Monday 18 November 2002 03:33, you wrote: Cary, This is one topic I'll disagree with you. Assume an application that uses the database, but is on a machine outside the db server. Having a number of calls that return one or two rows will have a negative network impact that is the results of SQL*Net and it's inefficiencies. It is better in this case to encapsulate all of the database interaction into a package where bind variables will be used to return the desired results. Using DBMS_SQL is a really BAD thing to do for stuff like that. OH, I really think that using DBMS_SQL is a whole lot easier, for some things that is, than PRO*C's prepare, declare, open, fetch, and close especially if you have to use that unwieldy SQLDA. Lastly, I am not a proponent of having the application merge result sets. Most times the merged results are smaller in size than the sum of the source giving your network one heck of a headache. BTW: I don't evaluate applications by their BCHR, but by their response time. Hit the return key, if I get an answer back in 10 seconds from the original and 5 seconds from the revised, something was done right. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Cary Millsap [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 11/16/2002 1:49 AM Greg, That's one case. PL/SQL is a really poor language in which to write an application. The language tricks you into believing that writing a scalable application can be accomplished in just a few lines of 4GL code, but it's really not true. To write scalable PL/SQL, you need to use DBMS_SQL. The resulting code is even more cumbersome than the same function written in Pro*C. Any language can be abused, though. We see a lot of Java, Visual Basic, and Powerbuilder applications that do stuff like... 1. Parse inside loops, using literals instead of bind variables. 2. Parse *twice* for each execute by doing describe+parse+execute. 3. Manipulate one row at a time instead of using array processing capabilities on fetches or inserts (this one, ironically, raises a system's BCHR while it kills response time). 4. Join result sets in the application instead of in the database. Cary Millsap Hotsos Enterprises, Ltd. http://www.hotsos.com Upcoming events: - Hotsos Clinic, Dec 9-11 Honolulu - 2003 Hotsos Symposium on OracleR System Performance, Feb 9-12 Dallas - Jonathan Lewis' Optimising Oracle, Nov 19-21 Dallas -Original Message- Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 2:38 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Cary, Thank you. Could you elaborate on the issue of excessive database calls, which show up as excessive network traffic? I can picture a PL/SQL loop, which executes an SQL statement over and over again. This would produce many database calls, and it might be possible to remove the loop altogether, replacing it with a single SQL statement. This would reduce the database calls. Is this the classic type of situation that produces too many db calls? Or are there other situations I'm missing that are more likely to be the source of this problem? Thanks again. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 4:13 PM Greg, I believe that the cultural root cause of the excessive LIO problem is the conception that physical I/O is what makes databases slow. Disk I/O certainly *can* make a system slow, but in about 598 of 600 cases we've seen in the past three years, it hasn't. [Why you should focus on LIOs instead of PIOs at www.hotsos.com/catalog] The fixation on PIO of course focuses people's attention on the database buffer cache hit ratio (BCHR) metric for evaluating efficiency. The problem is that the BCHR is a metric of INSTANCE efficiency, not SQL efficiency. However, many people mistakenly apply it as a metric of SQL efficiency anyway. Of course, if one's radar equates SQL efficiency with the BCHR's proximity to 100%, then a lot of really bad SQL is going to show up on your radar wrongly identified as really good SQL. [Why a 99% buffer cache hit ratio is not okay at www.hotsos.com/catalog] One classic result is that people go on search and destroy missions for all full-table scans. They end up producing more execution plans that look like this than they should have: NESTED LOOPS TABLE ACCESS BY INDEX ROWID INDEX RANGE SCAN TABLE ACCESS BY INDEX ROWID INDEX RANGE SCAN This kind of plan produces great hit ratios because it tends to revisit the same small set of blocks over and over again. This kind of plan is of course
Re:RE: New development in Cobol or PL/SQL - please help
I disagree with your last statement. Since IBM purchased informix, we are in battle with their so-called concurrent licensing ripoff. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/17/02 09:43PM Ron, Thankyou, I appreciate it. And for the individual who proposed that it might be better to do it in Pro*Cobol for database independence. We have had the thought of dumping Oracle for it's DB/2 competitor, until we found out that DB/2 was no cheaper than Oracle in the end run. Probably the only benefit is that IBM is more slack on enforcing their licenses. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Ron/Sarah Yount [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 11/16/2002 2:53 PM In the for what it is worth department: In addition to Dick's comments (with which I agree) Be careful how you approach this situation. If you wish to succeed, it may be key to let the powers that be know that you are not proposing bleeding edge solutions, and that looking down the road towards total cost of ownership and supporting the application, it may behoove them to consider something more mainstream. Nobody ever truly wins a discussion by starting an argument with someone in a higher level of authority. Perhaps you should inquire about the why of the decisions so you understand the key issues to address to propose a better one. Good Luck, Yep, even technical decisions require us to exercise high levels of diplomacy :-) -Ron- -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 3:13 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Babette, This is one of those from this old turd to that old fart messages. I've been around Oracle since 1985 I love it too. But it sounds like the director has a serious problem with new technology. Doing anything in COBOL today? Even PeopleSoft is busy re-writing their code in C++. Seesh his age is seriously showing. Oracle already has an adapter to MQ series, why re-invent the wheel when someone else has already done a better job of it. Then code the business logic in PL/SQL so that not only can this application use it, but any other that comes around. I believe it's known as code reuse. Another old term. You might start off by handing him a copy of Oracle 8i new features functions. BTW: add a copy of the 9i edition as well. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Babette Turner-Underwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 11/15/2002 2:24 PM I just found out today that we have a major development initiative that is starting and they are planning on using Pro*Cobol to develop the application. (my head is still shaking in disbelief!!!) So we will have a Java front-end, invoking MQ series that will go across to the mainframe for MQ series to invoke Pro*Cobol programs that will then do the processing (accessing data and doing calculations) and then return data. If anyone has been in this or a similar situation, please help. I need some really good arguments as to why we should put the business logic into PL/SQL instead of Pro*Cobol. I understand the reason we are using Oracle is that the director has 15 years experience with it and loves it. Aaargh!!! thanks Babette -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Babette Turner-Underwood INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ron/Sarah Yount INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the
Re:RE: New development in Cobol or PL/SQL - please help
Ron, Thankyou, I appreciate it. And for the individual who proposed that it might be better to do it in Pro*Cobol for database independence. We have had the thought of dumping Oracle for it's DB/2 competitor, until we found out that DB/2 was no cheaper than Oracle in the end run. Probably the only benefit is that IBM is more slack on enforcing their licenses. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Ron/Sarah Yount [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 11/16/2002 2:53 PM In the for what it is worth department: In addition to Dick's comments (with which I agree) Be careful how you approach this situation. If you wish to succeed, it may be key to let the powers that be know that you are not proposing bleeding edge solutions, and that looking down the road towards total cost of ownership and supporting the application, it may behoove them to consider something more mainstream. Nobody ever truly wins a discussion by starting an argument with someone in a higher level of authority. Perhaps you should inquire about the why of the decisions so you understand the key issues to address to propose a better one. Good Luck, Yep, even technical decisions require us to exercise high levels of diplomacy :-) -Ron- -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 3:13 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Babette, This is one of those from this old turd to that old fart messages. I've been around Oracle since 1985 I love it too. But it sounds like the director has a serious problem with new technology. Doing anything in COBOL today? Even PeopleSoft is busy re-writing their code in C++. Seesh his age is seriously showing. Oracle already has an adapter to MQ series, why re-invent the wheel when someone else has already done a better job of it. Then code the business logic in PL/SQL so that not only can this application use it, but any other that comes around. I believe it's known as code reuse. Another old term. You might start off by handing him a copy of Oracle 8i new features functions. BTW: add a copy of the 9i edition as well. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Babette Turner-Underwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 11/15/2002 2:24 PM I just found out today that we have a major development initiative that is starting and they are planning on using Pro*Cobol to develop the application. (my head is still shaking in disbelief!!!) So we will have a Java front-end, invoking MQ series that will go across to the mainframe for MQ series to invoke Pro*Cobol programs that will then do the processing (accessing data and doing calculations) and then return data. If anyone has been in this or a similar situation, please help. I need some really good arguments as to why we should put the business logic into PL/SQL instead of Pro*Cobol. I understand the reason we are using Oracle is that the director has 15 years experience with it and loves it. Aaargh!!! thanks Babette -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Babette Turner-Underwood INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ron/Sarah Yount INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like
Re:RE: RE: dumping microsoft desktop?
OH, talk about cruel and unusual punishment!! For the fish that is. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Gogala; Mladen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 11/14/2002 1:38 PM Well, once upon a time there was an event called Boston Tea Party which dealt with too expensive product of low quality delivered by a monopoly. I wonder whether we can expect Seattle Windows Party? Would that be too cruel to the fish in Seattle harbor? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:dgoulet;vicr.com] Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 3:44 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re:RE: dumping microsoft desktop? David, Just like beauty, winning or loosing in a lawsuit is in the eye of the beholder. Actually in MicroSlop's case it was the justice department that bailed and more than likely King George who sat on the judge. You got to love those political action committees and their BIG donors!! In politics money talks louder than anything else. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 11/14/2002 12:15 PM Both answers a are expected to be No. The lawsuit is expected to be dropped. But who knows. They won antitrust case after all. Nick I know it *seems* like they won, but Microsoft actually lost the antitrust case. :-( Dave -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:RE: RE: CONSISTANT GETS
Raj, I needed a 12 pack adter this one, it's from PeopleSlop: SELECT 0001560265,OPL.BUSINESS_UNIT,OPL.PRODUCTION_ID,OPL.OP_SEQUENCE, PID.INV_ITEM_ID,TMP.COST_ELEMENT,'04',0,0,0,0,0,0,PID.ORIG_UOM,PID.PRDN_AREA_COD E, PID.PRODUCTION_TYPE,OPL.QTY_SCRAPPED,OPL.PERCENT_COMP,' ',1,0,' ',' ',00 FROM PS_BU_ITEMS_INV INV,PS_SF_PRDNID_HEADR PID,PS_CE_OP_LIST_COPY OPL, PS_CE_OP_LIST_VW OPLIST,PS_SF_COMP_LIST CMP,PS_CE_ITEMVAR_TMP TMP WHERE INV.BUSINESS_UNIT='VICOR' AND PID.BUSINESS_UNIT='VICOR' AND OPL.BUSINESS_UNIT='VICOR' AND OPLIST.BUSINESS_UNIT='VICOR' AND CMP.BUSINESS_UNIT='VICOR' AND TMP.BUSINESS_UNIT='VICOR' AND TMP.PROCESS_INSTANCE=0001560265 AND OPL.PROCESS_INSTANCE=0001560265 AND OPLIST.PROCESS_INSTANCE=0001560265 AND OPL.PRODUCTION_ID= PID.PRODUCTION_ID AND OPL.PRODUCTION_ID= CMP.PRODUCTION_ID AND OPL.PRODUCTION_ID= OPLIST.PRODUCTION_ID AND INV.INV_ITEM_ID= PID.INV_ITEM_ID AND ( OPL.OP_SEQUENCE= CMP.OP_SEQUENCE OR (CMP.OP_SEQUENCE = 0 AND OPL.OP_SEQUENCE = OPLIST.OP_SEQUENCE)) AND PID.PROD_STATUS BETWEEN '30' AND '60' AND TMP.INV_ITEM_ID= CMP.COMPONENT_ID AND TMP.CONFIG_CODE= CMP.CONFIG_CODE AND CMP.SOURCE_CODE '5' AND CMP.NON_OWN_FLAG = 'N' AND NOT EXISTS (SELECT 'X' FROM PS_CE_SCRAPCST_TMP TMP2 WHERE TMP2.PROCESS_INSTANCE=0001560265 AND TMP2.BUSINESS_UNIT = OPL.BUSINESS_UNIT AND TMP2.PRODUCTION_ID = OPL.PRODUCTION_ID AND TMP2.OP_SEQUENCE = OPL.OP_SEQUENCE AND TMP2.COST_ELEMENT= TMP.COST_ELEMENT) GROUP BY OPL.BUSINESS_UNIT,OPL.PRODUCTION_ID,OPL.OP_SEQUENCE,PID.INV_ITEM_ID, TMP.COST_ELEMENT,PID.ORIG_UOM,PID.PRDN_AREA_CODE,PID.PRODUCTION_TYPE, OPL.PERCENT_COMP,OPL.QTY_SCRAPPED Reply Separator Author: Jamadagni; Rajendra [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 11/15/2002 5:33 AM Funny ... that Cary mentioned it Some developers here think that by setting some magic instance parameters we can make all RBO tuned code run well under CBO ... (I just bought a 6 pack of Mylanta yesterday ...) Raj __ Rajendra Jamadagni MIS, ESPN Inc. Rajendra dot Jamadagni at ESPN dot com Any opinion expressed here is personal and doesn't reflect that of ESPN Inc. QOTD: Any clod can have facts, but having an opinion is an art! Reply Separator Author: Cary Millsap [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 11/14/2002 10:34 AM Hamid, I'm sorry: Unless your SQL returns fewer than about 800,000 rows to the calling application (or an aggregation of 800,000 rows), then the statement we have done all the necessary tuning on all the SQL queries is not yet true. If your SQL does actually return about 800,000 rows, then it is time to begin thinking about the mismatch between business processing requirements and the logical structure of your data. The answer to your problem is not in your instance parameters. Cary Millsap Hotsos Enterprises, Ltd. http://www.hotsos.com !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN HTML HEAD META HTTP-EQUIV=Content-Type CONTENT=text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 META NAME=Generator CONTENT=MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2654.19 TITLERE: RE: CONSISTANT GETS/TITLE /HEAD BODY PFONT SIZE=2Funny ... that Cary mentioned it /FONT /P PFONT SIZE=2Some developers here think that by setting some magic instance parameters we can make all RBO tuned code run well under CBO ... (I just bought a 6 pack of Mylanta yesterday ...)/FONT/P PFONT SIZE=2Raj/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2__/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2Rajendra Jamadagninbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; MIS, ESPN Inc./FONT BRFONT SIZE=2Rajendra dot Jamadagni at ESPN dot com/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2Any opinion expressed here is personal and doesn't reflect that of ESPN Inc. /FONT BRFONT SIZE=2QOTD: Any clod can have facts, but having an opinion is an art!/FONT /P PFONT SIZE=2Reply Separator/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2Author: quot;Cary Millsapquot; lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt;/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2Date:nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; 11/14/2002 10:34 AM/FONT /P PFONT SIZE=2Hamid,/FONT /P PFONT SIZE=2I'm sorry: Unless your SQL returns fewer than about 800,000 rows to the/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2calling application (or an aggregation of 800,000 rows), then the/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2statement quot;we have done all the necessary tuning on all the SQL queriesquot;/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2is not yet true./FONT /P PFONT SIZE=2If your SQL does actually return about 800,000 rows, then it is time to/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2begin thinking about the mismatch between business processing/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2requirements and the logical structure of your data./FONT /P PFONT SIZE=2The answer to your problem is not in your instance parameters./FONT /P BR PFONT SIZE=2Cary Millsap/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2Hotsos Enterprises, Ltd./FONT BRFONT SIZE=2A
Re:RE: RE: RE: CONSISTANT GETS
Tom, There aren't no beauty where the sun don't shine!! And that's where I parked this one!! *-) Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Mercadante; Thomas F [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 11/15/2002 7:54 AM Dick, it's a beauty thing... Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 10:34 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Raj, I needed a 12 pack adter this one, it's from PeopleSlop: SELECT 0001560265,OPL.BUSINESS_UNIT,OPL.PRODUCTION_ID,OPL.OP_SEQUENCE, PID.INV_ITEM_ID,TMP.COST_ELEMENT,'04',0,0,0,0,0,0,PID.ORIG_UOM,PID.PRDN_AREA _COD E, PID.PRODUCTION_TYPE,OPL.QTY_SCRAPPED,OPL.PERCENT_COMP,' ',1,0,' ',' ',00 FROM PS_BU_ITEMS_INV INV,PS_SF_PRDNID_HEADR PID,PS_CE_OP_LIST_COPY OPL, PS_CE_OP_LIST_VW OPLIST,PS_SF_COMP_LIST CMP,PS_CE_ITEMVAR_TMP TMP WHERE INV.BUSINESS_UNIT='VICOR' AND PID.BUSINESS_UNIT='VICOR' AND OPL.BUSINESS_UNIT='VICOR' AND OPLIST.BUSINESS_UNIT='VICOR' AND CMP.BUSINESS_UNIT='VICOR' AND TMP.BUSINESS_UNIT='VICOR' AND TMP.PROCESS_INSTANCE=0001560265 AND OPL.PROCESS_INSTANCE=0001560265 AND OPLIST.PROCESS_INSTANCE=0001560265 AND OPL.PRODUCTION_ID= PID.PRODUCTION_ID AND OPL.PRODUCTION_ID= CMP.PRODUCTION_ID AND OPL.PRODUCTION_ID= OPLIST.PRODUCTION_ID AND INV.INV_ITEM_ID= PID.INV_ITEM_ID AND ( OPL.OP_SEQUENCE= CMP.OP_SEQUENCE OR (CMP.OP_SEQUENCE = 0 AND OPL.OP_SEQUENCE = OPLIST.OP_SEQUENCE)) AND PID.PROD_STATUS BETWEEN '30' AND '60' AND TMP.INV_ITEM_ID= CMP.COMPONENT_ID AND TMP.CONFIG_CODE= CMP.CONFIG_CODE AND CMP.SOURCE_CODE '5' AND CMP.NON_OWN_FLAG = 'N' AND NOT EXISTS (SELECT 'X' FROM PS_CE_SCRAPCST_TMP TMP2 WHERE TMP2.PROCESS_INSTANCE=0001560265 AND TMP2.BUSINESS_UNIT = OPL.BUSINESS_UNIT AND TMP2.PRODUCTION_ID = OPL.PRODUCTION_ID AND TMP2.OP_SEQUENCE = OPL.OP_SEQUENCE AND TMP2.COST_ELEMENT= TMP.COST_ELEMENT) GROUP BY OPL.BUSINESS_UNIT,OPL.PRODUCTION_ID,OPL.OP_SEQUENCE,PID.INV_ITEM_ID, TMP.COST_ELEMENT,PID.ORIG_UOM,PID.PRDN_AREA_CODE,PID.PRODUCTION_TYPE, OPL.PERCENT_COMP,OPL.QTY_SCRAPPED Reply Separator Author: Jamadagni; Rajendra [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 11/15/2002 5:33 AM Funny ... that Cary mentioned it Some developers here think that by setting some magic instance parameters we can make all RBO tuned code run well under CBO ... (I just bought a 6 pack of Mylanta yesterday ...) Raj __ Rajendra Jamadagni MIS, ESPN Inc. Rajendra dot Jamadagni at ESPN dot com Any opinion expressed here is personal and doesn't reflect that of ESPN Inc. QOTD: Any clod can have facts, but having an opinion is an art! Reply Separator Author: Cary Millsap [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 11/14/2002 10:34 AM Hamid, I'm sorry: Unless your SQL returns fewer than about 800,000 rows to the calling application (or an aggregation of 800,000 rows), then the statement we have done all the necessary tuning on all the SQL queries is not yet true. If your SQL does actually return about 800,000 rows, then it is time to begin thinking about the mismatch between business processing requirements and the logical structure of your data. The answer to your problem is not in your instance parameters. Cary Millsap Hotsos Enterprises, Ltd. http://www.hotsos.com !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN HTML HEAD META HTTP-EQUIV=Content-Type CONTENT=text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 META NAME=Generator CONTENT=MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2654.19 TITLERE: RE: CONSISTANT GETS/TITLE /HEAD BODY PFONT SIZE=2Funny ... that Cary mentioned it /FONT /P PFONT SIZE=2Some developers here think that by setting some magic instance parameters we can make all RBO tuned code run well under CBO ... (I just bought a 6 pack of Mylanta yesterday ...)/FONT/P PFONT SIZE=2Raj/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2__/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2Rajendra Jamadagninbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; MIS, ESPN Inc./FONT BRFONT SIZE=2Rajendra dot Jamadagni at ESPN dot com/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2Any opinion expressed here is personal and doesn't reflect that of ESPN Inc. /FONT BRFONT SIZE=2QOTD: Any clod can have facts, but having an opinion is an art!/FONT /P PFONT SIZE=2Reply Separator/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2Author: quot;Cary Millsapquot; lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt;/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2Date:nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; 11/14/2002 10:34 AM/FONT /P PFONT SIZE=2Hamid,/FONT /P PFONT SIZE=2I'm sorry: Unless your SQL returns fewer than about 800,000 rows to the/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2calling application (or an aggregation of 800,000 rows), then the/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2statement quot;we have done all the necessary tuning on all the SQL queriesquot;/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2is not yet true./FONT
Re:RE: How to set client's characterset on session level?
Alex, Humm, it would appear that you are right. After looking through the manuals and MetaLink it appears that the only why you can change the charecterset is at the client by updating the nls_lang environment (or registry if windoes) setting. Seems that characterset is specifically for how the client displays things. Damn nasty. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Alexandre Gorbatchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 11/15/2002 4:44 PM Dick, I have already thoroughly RTFMed on this issue, but didn't find anything suitable using ALTER SESSION SET NLS_* Please, correct me if I'm wrong. NLS_LAN consists of 3 parts: language, territory and characterset. Language and territory can be set/changed at session level as parameters NLS_LANGUAGE and NLS_TERRITORY respectively. But there is no alternative (at least I didn't find one) for characterset. I can ALTER SESSION SET NLS_LANGUAGE=AMERICAN. However, this does not change character encoding scheme. Thanks, Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:dgoulet;vicr.com] Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 4:06 PM To: Alexandre Gorbatchev; Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re:How to set client's characterset on session level? See alter session set nls_language in the SQL Reference manual. Reply Separator Subject:How to set client's characterset on session level? Author: Alexandre Gorbatchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 11/15/2002 2:58 AM Hello guys, I need to use two (or more) different client applications from the same client workstation. Applications use different charactersets WE8PC858 and WE8ISO8859P1. That's a sort of having different NLS_LANG for each session. Maybe I can create a specific connect description in listener? Or I can put something in AFTER LOGIN trigger? Or put some parameters when establishing connection? I can change NLS_TERRITORY but not characterset. I am a little bit confused because cannot resolve this rather simple (I thought) case. Any advice? TIA, Alex -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Alexandre Gorbatchev INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:RE: CONSISTANT GETS
Jerry, I'll take better performing over nicer looking anyday. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Whittle Jerome Contr NCI [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 11/15/2002 11:34 AM Jared, I'm still on 7.3.4 but I'm sure that you are right about the WHERE clause in this case. It went from an INDEX FULL SCAN to an INDEX UNIQUE SCAN on the same index once the blasted concatenations were removed. One programmer says he likes to write it that way because it's simpler and nicer looking! Still I've seen some nice speed gains when just converting some WHERE statements from NOT IN to NOT EXISTS. YMMV Jerry Whittle ACIFICS DBA NCI Information Systems Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 618-622-4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Jerry, I suspect that the improvments are more likely due to your rewriting the WHERE clause rather than the use of NOT EXISTS. Especially if the database were 9i, where NOT IN actually seems get a better execution path than NOT EXISTS. That original WHERE clause is really a piece of work. Jared Whittle Jerome Contr NCI [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've seen worse. My programmers don't know how to use NOT EXISTS even though I've explained it many times. And that's the least of my problems. Look at this mess: SELECT * FROM sar.pax_header_suspense_err_temp WHEREmanifest_type || manifesting_station || fiscal_year || manifest_serial_number NOT IN ( SELECTmanifest_type || manifesting_station || fiscal_year || manifest_serial_number FROM manifest_serial_number_history) Takes over an hour to run. I rewrote it as such: SELECT * FROM sar.pax_header_suspense_err_temp t WHERE NOT EXISTS (SELECT 'X' FROM manifest_serial_number_history h WHERE t.manifest_type = h.manifest_type and t.manifesting_station = h.manifesting_station and t.fiscal_year = h.fiscal_year and t.manifest_serial_number = h.manifest_serial_number ) Under a second. Jerry Whittle ACIFICS DBA NCI Information Systems Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 618-622-4145 !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN HTML HEAD TITLERE: CONSISTANT GETS/TITLE /HEAD BODY !-- Converted from text/rtf format -- PSPAN LANG=en-usFONT COLOR=#FF FACE=ArialJared,/FONT/SPAN /P PSPAN LANG=en-usFONT COLOR=#FF FACE=ArialI'm still on 7.3.4 but I'm sure that you are right about the WHERE clause in this case. It went from an INDEX FULL SCAN to an INDEX UNIQUE SCAN on the same index once the blasted concatenations were removed. One programmer says he likes to write it that way because it's simpler and nicer looking!/FONT/SPAN/P PSPAN LANG=en-usFONT COLOR=#FF FACE=ArialStill I've seen some nice speed gains when just converting some WHERE statements from NOT IN to NOT EXISTS./FONT/SPAN /P PSPAN LANG=en-usFONT COLOR=#FF FACE=ArialYMMV/FONT/SPAN /P PSPAN LANG=en-usFONT FACE=ArialJerry Whittle/FONT/SPAN BRSPAN LANG=en-usFONT FACE=ArialACIFICS DBA/FONT/SPAN BRSPAN LANG=en-usFONT FACE=ArialNCI Information Systems Inc./FONT/SPAN BRSPAN LANG=en-usFONT FACE=Arial[EMAIL PROTECTED]/FONT/SPAN BRSPAN LANG=en-usFONT FACE=Arial618-622-4145/FONT/SPAN /P UL PSPAN LANG=en-usFONT SIZE=1 FACE=Arial-Original Message-/FONT/SPAN BRSPAN LANG=en-usBFONT SIZE=1 FACE=ArialFrom:nbsp;nbsp;/FONT/B FONT SIZE=1 FACE=Arial[EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]/FONT/SPAN /P PSPAN LANG=en-usFONT SIZE=2 FACE=ArialJerry,/FONT/SPAN /P PSPAN LANG=en-usFONT SIZE=2 FACE=ArialI suspect that the improvments are more likely due to your/FONT/SPAN BRSPAN LANG=en-usFONT SIZE=2 FACE=Arialrewriting the WHERE clause rather than the use of NOT EXISTS./FONT/SPAN /P PSPAN LANG=en-usFONT SIZE=2 FACE=ArialEspecially if the database were 9i, where NOT IN actually/FONT/SPAN BRSPAN LANG=en-usFONT SIZE=2 FACE=Arialseems get a better execution path than NOT EXISTS./FONT/SPAN /P PSPAN LANG=en-usFONT SIZE=2 FACE=ArialThat original WHERE clause is really a piece of work./FONT/SPAN /P PSPAN LANG=en-usFONT SIZE=2 FACE=ArialJared/FONT/SPAN /P PSPAN LANG=en-usFONT SIZE=2 FACE=Arialquot;Whittle Jerome Contr NCIquot; lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt;/FONT/SPAN /P PSPAN LANG=en-usFONT SIZE=2 FACE=ArialI've seen worse. My programmers don't know how to use NOT EXISTS even /FONT/SPAN BRSPAN LANG=en-usFONT SIZE=2 FACE=Arialthough I've explained it many times. And that's the least of my problems. /FONT/SPAN BRSPAN LANG=en-usFONT SIZE=2 FACE=ArialLook at this mess:/FONT/SPAN BRSPAN LANG=en-usFONT SIZE=2 FACE=Arialnbsp;nbsp; SELECT * /FONT/SPAN BRSPAN LANG=en-usFONT SIZE=2 FACE=Arialnbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; FROM sar.pax_header_suspense_err_temp /FONT/SPAN BRSPAN LANG=en-usFONT SIZE=2 FACE=Arialnbsp;nbsp;nbsp; WHEREnbsp;nbsp;nbsp; manifest_type /FONT/SPAN BRSPAN LANG=en-usFONT SIZE=2
Re:RE: CONSISTANT GETS
Hamid, This is one of those instances where I'll heartly agree with Cary in ALL respects. We run PeopleSoft and have found many a query that seems to spinn around and around creating a pile of consistent gets and little if any IO. The problem that most often exists is that a coorrelated subquery is the last item in the where clause or the first thing that Oracle does. Damned nasty. Check your code over again and trace it. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Cary Millsap [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 11/14/2002 10:34 AM Hamid, I'm sorry: Unless your SQL returns fewer than about 800,000 rows to the calling application (or an aggregation of 800,000 rows), then the statement we have done all the necessary tuning on all the SQL queries is not yet true. If your SQL does actually return about 800,000 rows, then it is time to begin thinking about the mismatch between business processing requirements and the logical structure of your data. The answer to your problem is not in your instance parameters. Cary Millsap Hotsos Enterprises, Ltd. http://www.hotsos.com Upcoming events: - Hotsos Clinic, Dec 9-11 Honolulu - 2003 Hotsos Symposium on OracleR System Performance, Feb 9-12 Dallas - Jonathan Lewis' Optimising Oracle, Nov 19-21 Dallas -Original Message- Alavi Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 11:50 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dear List, I am monitoring a database, I findout there is a transaction which runing a long time and others are waiting for this transaction, this transaction have 8,000,000 consistant gets with only 1 Physical I/O. My question is, what I have to do except the SQL tuning to make this transaction faster, we have done all the necessary tuning on all the SQL query's. Here is a copy of ora.ini: Oracle 8.1.7.4 on sun solaris 2.8 background_dump_dest = /oracle/admin/cmstst/bdump compatible = 8.1.7.4 control_files = /cmsdb/cmstst/control02.ctl control_files = /oralogs1/cmstst/control03.ctl control_files = /oracle/oradata/cmstst/control01.ctl core_dump_dest = /oracle/admin/cmstst/cdump db_block_buffers = 1??? this need to increase? db_block_lru_latches = 4 db_block_size = 8192 db_file_multiblock_read_count = 16 db_name = cmstst hash_area_size = 2048000??? need tuning ??? instance_name = cmstst java_pool_size = 20971520 large_pool_size = 614400 log_archive_dest_1 = location=/archlogs/cmstst log_archive_format = arch%s.arc log_archive_start = TRUE log_buffer = 262144 ?? this log buffer is enough?? log_checkpoint_interval = 1 ?? log_checkpoint_timeout = 1800 max_enabled_roles = 30 open_cursors = 300 optimizer_index_caching = 90 optimizer_index_cost_adj = 35 os_authent_prefix = processes = 100 remote_login_passwordfile = EXCLUSIVE session_cached_cursors = 100 shared_pool_size = 134217728 sort_area_retained_size = 262144 sort_area_size = 262144 timed_statistics = TRUE I realy appreciate your help and assistant. I am getting confused, just want to know changing any of these parameter help the performance to reduce the number of CONSISTANT GETS or NOT??? Thanks in advance. Hamid Alavi Office 818 737-0526 Cell818 416-5095 === Confidentiality Statement === The information contained in this message and any attachments is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received this message in error, you are prohibited from copying, distributing, or using the information. Please contact the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete the original message from your system. = End Confidentiality Statement = -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Hamid Alavi INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Cary Millsap INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message
Re:RE: dumping microsoft desktop?
David, Just like beauty, winning or loosing in a lawsuit is in the eye of the beholder. Actually in MicroSlop's case it was the justice department that bailed and more than likely King George who sat on the judge. You got to love those political action committees and their BIG donors!! In politics money talks louder than anything else. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 11/14/2002 12:15 PM Both answers a are expected to be No. The lawsuit is expected to be dropped. But who knows. They won antitrust case after all. Nick I know it *seems* like they won, but Microsoft actually lost the antitrust case. :-( Dave -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:RE: When will Oracle 10i be out?
Heck, I haven't even gotten a moment to install 9i on a play machine yet!! And I've still got 8.0.4 in production!! Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Rachel Carmichael [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 11/8/2002 11:24 AM I've got 9i production databases. But they are brand-new applications. I haven't upgraded any of the 8i ones I have as yet, nor are there any plans to do so. Isn't there an adage if it ain't broke, don't fix it? --- Gogala, Mladen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't want to express my real feelings but @#$%! oracle should give us some time to get accustomed to the @#$%! 9i first. Is anybody here running 9i in production? My production systems are still on 8i, 8.0 (Oracle Financials) and even 7.3. Who makes so stupid business decisions at @#$%! Oracle? Are they out of their @#$%! mind? -Original Message- From: BALA,PRAKASH (HP-USA,ex1) [mailto:prakash.bala;HP.COM] Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 11:44 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: When will Oracle 10i be out? Heard from Tom Kyte that 10i should be out by Dec'03. He also said that the code is already frozen and beta testing is going on. Prakash -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 14:09 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L The day we all finish upgrading our databases to 9i. Sunil Nookala DBA Dell Corp. -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 12:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Has anyone heard when Oracle will be releasing version 10i? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Pall, Tom [Contractor] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: BALA,PRAKASH (HP-USA,ex1) INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the
Re:RE: When will Oracle 10i be out?
Heck, Would you people kindly give some of us time to get fully up on 8i first!! Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 11/7/2002 11:08 AM The day we all finish upgrading our databases to 9i. Sunil Nookala DBA Dell Corp. -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 12:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Has anyone heard when Oracle will be releasing version 10i? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Pall, Tom [Contractor] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:RE: How can I tell if MTS is activated -- more problems
What does your TNSNAMES.ORA file look like? If there is a line in there '(server=dedicated)' you might as well turn MTS off. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: =?iso-8859-1?q?Pablo=20Rodriguez?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 11/6/2002 11:39 AM Dave, I've seen these processes (ora_S00... and ora_d00..) but all connections are being made through dedicated processes. Here's my configuration: mts_listener_address = (ADDRESS=(PROTOCOL=TCP) (HOST=10.20.81.78) (PORT=1521)) mts_service = PRUE1 mts_dispatchers = tcp,2 mts_max_dispatchers = 10 mts_servers = 6 mts_max_servers = 100 The listener has been started before the RDBMS: listener.ora LISTENER = (ADDRESS_LIST= (ADDRESS=(PROTOCOL=tcp)(HOST=10.20.81.78)(PORT=1521)) (ADDRESS=(PROTOCOL=ipc)(KEY=PRUE1))) SID_LIST_LISTENER= (SID_LIST= (SID_DESC= (GLOBAL_DBNAME=PRUE1) (SID_NAME=PRUE1) (ORACLE_HOME=/u01/app/oracle/product/8.1.7) ) ) lsnrctl services LSNRCTL for Linux: Version 8.1.7.0.0 - Production on 06-NOV-2002 16:40:58 (c) Copyright 1998 Oracle Corporation. All rights reserved. Connecting to (ADDRESS=(PROTOCOL=tcp)(HOST=10.20.81.78)(PORT=1521)) Services Summary... PRUE1 has 2 service handler(s) DEDICATED SERVER established:0 refused:0 LOCAL SERVER DEDICATED SERVER established:0 refused:0 LOCAL SERVER The command completed successfully BUT the user processes are not using MTS. Why aren't they using MTS? What's wrong in this configuration? thanks for your help. -- To see how many dispatchers/shared servers are started up with the RDBMS, check the value of 'mts_dispatchers' and 'mts_servers' in the init.ora. You can also tell by looking in the alert.log(default location is $ORACLE_HOME/rdbms/log). Sample: PMON started DBWR started LGWR started RECO started Thu Sep 14 09:24:15 1995 starting up 4 shared server(s) ... starting up 4 dispatcher(s) for network See Note:1012480.6 on Metastink for mor info on MTS Processes Dave -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 10:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle 8i How can I tell if MTS is activated? Which parameters should I look at? (in init.ora and listener.ora) thanks Pablo ___ Yahoo! Messenger Nueva versión: Webcam, voz, y mucho más ¡Gratis! Descárgalo ya desde http://messenger.yahoo.es -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: =?iso-8859-1?q?Pablo=20Rodriguez?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Farnsworth, Dave INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the ___ Yahoo! Messenger Nueva versión: Webcam, voz, y mucho más ¡Gratis! Descárgalo ya desde http://messenger.yahoo.es -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: =?iso-8859-1?q?Pablo=20Rodriguez?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services
Re:RE: Oracle DBA with SAP Needed
Yeah, but is smacks of being unethical and un-American. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 11/6/2002 1:08 PM Cary - I think you have a good insight. I've encountered that before. Often that is the reason for some strange employment advertisements in national magazines. As you say, posting on ORACLE-L may meet the requirement, is free, and is fast (no need to wait months for the publication date). Dennis Williams DBA, 40%OCP Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 2:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L An administrative requirement causes a lot of these types of postings with odd-looking salary ranges. Chances are that the company already has a foreign national candidate in the hiring pipeline for the job at this salary. INS requires that US citizens be given a fair shot at the job posting. One of the requirements is to advertise the position publicly. Oracle-L is a public forum. What usually happens is that either nobody applies for the position (the salary's too low, so everybody pokes fun at it). Sometimes, somebody does apply. But it's very unlikely that at this price, it'll be anyone qualified. Having seen this process to fruition and beyond, what often happens is that the person immigrates to the US, works hard, and makes good. The company benefits from good labor at a bargain price for at least a year or two. The applicant benefits in several ways. He or she gets physically to the USA, making well more than enough money than it takes for most people to live on. If the person becomes indispensable, the host company sponsors a green card application. From there, because the person is free to compete in the USA job market, he or she begins making the kind of money you'd expect. Cary Millsap Hotsos Enterprises, Ltd. http://www.hotsos.com Upcoming events: - Hotsos Clinic, Dec 9-11 Honolulu - 2003 Hotsos Symposium on OracleR System Performance, Feb 9-12 Dallas - Jonathan Lewis' Optimising Oracle, Nov 19-21 Dallas -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 12:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Well with the ridiculous salary they are offering, they could at least train you in the use of SAP. This is a Fortune 500 company after all. -- Alan Davey [EMAIL PROTECTED] 212-604-0200 x106 On 11/6/2002 10:56 AM, Paulo Gomes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: unfortunatly i don't work with SAP or i would be interessed regards Paulo -Original Message- Sent: quarta-feira, 6 de Novembro de 2002 14:49 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L If you are an Oracle DBA With SAP experience looking for a stable company where you can work within a great team environment, this company in Toledo, Ohio is the place for you. This Fortune 500 employer has experienced steady growth over the hundred years it has been in business and is looking for a top notch candidate. This company is located in a very reasonable cost of living area and offers a varied choice of neighborhood communities. If you are looking for a place to grow within your career in a smaller city atmosphere this is the opportunity to check out. Relocation Assistance is provided. PLEASE DO NOT send your resume for this position UNLESS you have the skills outlined below for this position. DO NOT send your resume unless you have a stable work history. Candidates whose work history includes frequent job changes connot be considered. If you are employed by a consulting company you must have a long term project history. This is a full time staff position so no sub-contractors or third parties please. NO H-1B candidates please. *Requirements: -MUST be a team player. -3+ years Oracle DBA experience. -SAP experience -Must have experience with:Installation, Backup and recovery, Implementation, Conversion, Performance tuning, Troubleshooting, Development, Database Design, Monitoring, and Support. -MUST have excellent communications skills -Major plusses are: SQL Backtrack, DB Artisan, Powerbuilder, Shell scripting and experience with Sybase and/or SQL Server. Base Salary is 55K-to maybe high 60s Firm. The employer itself offers a comprehensive medical plan, dental insurance, life insurance, sick leave and disability plans, a retirement plan, vacation days, a 401K Plan, and much more. For immediate consideration, please email your resume as an attachment to: OraStaff, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 1-800-549-8502. Please Use Job Code: one/Toledo/DBA-SAP/Jenni I pay referral fees. So please contact me if you know of anyone who would be qualified/interested in the position described above- if it is not a match for your skills. Thanks. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: OraStaff INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego,
Re:RE: oracle or mssql
As I said, use mssql ONLY if your boss is willing to be strapped into a MicroSlop only platform. If he's even remotely thinking of using a different OS then you can't use mssql. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 10/23/2002 11:48 PM goodmorning everybody who responded to my basic question : thanks summary professional : use oracle enterprise edition semi professional : use oracle standard edition / mssql enterprise edition in all other cases mssql standard edition -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Mohammad Rafiq [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden:woensdag 23 oktober 2002 20:51 Aan: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Onderwerp:RE: oracle or mssql Xenix is history now...SCO itself stopped it sometime in 1990 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:02:19 -0800 XENIX maybe. : ) Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 12:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Is MSSQL server available on UNIX? -Rachna -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ Get faster connections -- switch to MSN Internet Access! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohammad Rafiq INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:RE: Named users!
I sure have! :( Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 10/21/2002 10:48 AM I have heard rumors that Oracle has tried out this interpretation on some clients. I have also heard some people were a bit outraged. Have you known anyone that paid up based on this interpretation? Dennis Williams DBA, 40%OCP Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 10:31 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle now say that if the database interacts with any other system that has users these must be counted too ! e.g. You have a database that runs a warehouse management system. If this receives orders from another ERP type system via an interface and this system can take internet orders, even if it has its own database license, then either you count all customers or use processor licensing. DENNIS WILLIAMS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 21/10/2002 15:54 Please respond to ORACLE-L To:Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: Named users! Sean - I think you are recalling the old Concurrent Users. A named user is defined as follows: Named User: is defined as an individual authorized by you to use the programs which are installed on a single server or multiple servers, regardless of whether the individual is actively using the programs at any given time. A non human operated device will be counted as a Named User in addition to all individuals authorized to use the programs, if such devices can access the programs. If multiplexing hardware or software (e.g., a TAP monitor or a Web server product) is used, this number must be measured at the multiplexing front end. I feel a good measure today is that anyone who can even contemplate interacting with your database qualifies as a named user. Dennis Williams DBA, 40%OCP Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 7:58 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Not a particularily technical query but a rather practical one. With a named user licence is one user taken per each username returned from a select username from dba_users? - Seán O' Neill Organon (Ireland) Ltd. [subscribed: digest mode] This message, including attached files, may contain confidential information and is intended only for the use by the individual and/or the entity to which it is addressed. Any unauthorized use, dissemination of, or copying of the information contained herein is not allowed and may lead to irreparable harm and damage for which you may be held liable. If you receive this message in error or if it is intended for someone else please notify the sender by returning this e-mail immediately and delete the message. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: O'Neill, Sean INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command
Re:RE: [Q] Public and private rollback segment?
Except in the case of maintenance on rollback segments. You can take a private segment offline at anytime, whereas a public one has to be done with the database unmounted. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Baker; Barbara [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 10/17/2002 8:09 AM Can't remember where I copied this from, but I believe it came from metalink. I don't have a version associated with it, so things might have changed in v9. HTH Barb Public vs. Private Rollback Segments A common misconception about `Private' rollback segments is that they are segments reserved for a particular use or a particular transaction. The only difference between Public and Private rollback segments is in relation to the Parallel Server Option. A public rollback segment can be acquired implicitly by any instance in a parallel server environment. A private rollback segment must be explicitly acquired by a particular instance using the rollback_segments parameter. If not using OPS, the difference between the two is insignificant. -- From: dist cash[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 9:18 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: [Q] Public and private rollback segment? We have ORACLE 8.1.7.4 running on NT. My questions are: 1. What difference between public rollback segment and private segement? 2. what is benefit on public segment than private segment? 3. does public segment only use on paraller server (RAC)? Thanks. _ Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: dist cash INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Baker, Barbara INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:RE: [Q] Public and private rollback segment?
No, I don't think so. 11:08:27 rsysdevdb.radisys.com - jkstill@dv01 SQL create tablespace puglic rollback segment jks tablespace rbs; Rollback segment created. 11:08:47 rsysdevdb.radisys.com - jkstill@dv01 SQL alter rollback segment jks online; Rollback segment altered. 11:08:55 rsysdevdb.radisys.com - jkstill@dv01 SQL c/on/off 1* alter rollback segment jks offline 11:08:58 rsysdevdb.radisys.com - jkstill@dv01 SQL / Rollback segment altered. 11:09:00 rsysdevdb.radisys.com - jkstill@dv01 SQL drop public rollback segment jks; Rollback segment dropped. 11:09:08 rsysdevdb.radisys.com - jkstill@dv01 SQL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/17/2002 09:46 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re:RE: [Q] Public and private rollback segment? Except in the case of maintenance on rollback segments. You can take a private segment offline at anytime, whereas a public one has to be done with the database unmounted. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Baker; Barbara [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 10/17/2002 8:09 AM Can't remember where I copied this from, but I believe it came from metalink. I don't have a version associated with it, so things might have changed in v9. HTH Barb Public vs. Private Rollback Segments A common misconception about `Private' rollback segments is that they are segments reserved for a particular use or a particular transaction. The only difference between Public and Private rollback segments is in relation to the Parallel Server Option. A public rollback segment can be acquired implicitly by any instance in a parallel server environment. A private rollback segment must be explicitly acquired by a particular instance using the rollback_segments parameter. If not using OPS, the difference between the two is insignificant. -- From: dist cash[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 9:18 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: [Q] Public and private rollback segment? We have ORACLE 8.1.7.4 running on NT. My questions are: 1. What difference between public rollback segment and private segement? 2. what is benefit on public segment than private segment? 3. does public segment only use on paraller server (RAC)? Thanks. _ Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: dist cash INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Baker, Barbara INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from
Re:RE: Double Take and Oracle
Lewis, I can understand where Eva is coming from. I had a demo of a similar product some time ago. Their BIG selling point is that you have a production server and a backup that is close in time with your production server at half (or less) the cost of a hot standby. Their reasoning is that you don't have Oracle running on the standby and consequently don't have to pay Oracle a license fee for the second server since only one server is running at any point in time. Logically their point is well taken. Regrettably and understandably that is NOT Oracle's point of view. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Bishop Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 10/15/2002 2:23 AM I'm always dubious of these types of products (especially when there are no reference sites available) and would opt for a batched up standby database solution (syncing every 5/10/15 minutes or so) myself. I'm not saying Double-Take is not good - I've got no experience of it and am sorry it's not any help but you have an option should Double-Take not work correctly. Lewis Bishop --- Barclays Enable - ISS - E-NTRUST/Bexleyheath NT Oracle Database Consultant Watling Street, Bexleyheath, Kent, DA6 7RR (Mail Van R) Phone : 020 8298 3418 Mobile: 07950 380857 Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Enabling Competitive Advantage for Barclays in IT and Business Processing -Original Message- Sent: 15 October 2002 08:28 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L This header confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. Corporate IT THE WOOLWICH -- Hello Esteemed Gurus Pls advise... We are trying to get Double Take to work on our site. Does anyone actually have this product working??? Salesperson claims Double Take is certified by Oracle - does anyone know? Where could I find out, other than the company itself? For those of you who don't know this product pls give your opinion. Double Take is a software that copies your database files and parameter files etc across to a disaster recovery machine, bit for bit. At failure of the production the recovery becomes the production system and starts up the database. Basicly the datafiles are still open?? We get the following error when we start up the database on the recovery system in tests: ORA-01172: recovery of thread 1 stuck at bloack 176624 of file 2. I would just like to add that when this happens we resync the databases and try again to test and guess what - it is the turn of file 3 to give the above error, and so back and forth we go. To say the very least I am frustrated beyond comprihension. To make this worse there is no one else in South Africa that uses this software with Oracle, apparently in France. Convienant - I'd say. So I have no one to turn to about this. (Apparently it works well with MSSQL). Anyone any ideas? The Enviroment is Windows 2K SP3. Oracle 817 Regards Denham Eva Oracle DBA UNIX is basically a simple operating system, but you have to be a genius to understand the simplicity. Dennis Ritchie. DISCLAIMER This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. TFMC, its holding company, and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor and manage all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be views of any such entity. This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal - For more information please visit www.marshalsoftware.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Bishop Lewis INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California
Re:RE: Re[2]: No Nulls? (was: Warehouse design: snowflake vs
See logical, isn't it!! *-)
Dick Goulet
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Date: 10/15/2002 2:43 AM
Ho Ho Ho - never heard of companies with dead persons on the payroll?
peter
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Subject: Re[2]: No Nulls? (was: Warehouse design: snowflake vs star s
I'll agree with Igor. Actually my 'preferred' option would
be to use their
birth date + 80 years which is the generally accepted life
expectancy of a human
being. Lets face it, you aren't going to employ the guy/girl
after their dead!
And if their not dead by then, then sure as heck they'll be retired.
Dick Goulet
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RE: No Nulls? (was: Warehouse design: snowflake vs star
schemEND_EMPLOYEMENT
date for still employed employees equals to 01/01/4000 (or any other
pre-defined date in distant future).
Igor Neyman, OCP DBA
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Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 3:39 PM
Subject: RE: No Nulls? (was: Warehouse design: snowflake vs
star schem
No application that I can reasonably think of should
use NULLS, except those pre-81
where there are obsolete columns.
Everytime somebody says this to me, I ask them:
How do you handle still employed employees in an EMPLOYEE table
that contains a END_EMPLOYEMENT date column?
What's your take?
Matt Adams - GE Appliances - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Write a poem about a haircut! But lofty, noble, tragic,
full of love,
treachery, retribution, quiet heroism in the face of certain doom!
Six lines, cleverly rhymed, and every word beginning with
the letter s!
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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Subject: Re:No Nulls? (was: Warehouse design: snowflake vs
star schem
Jesse,
I'll refrain from personal comments, but on CJ's quote,
he's correct.
Nulls
are an oddity. They cannot be true or false (column_name
= NULL or
column_name != NULL), nor can they equal anything. They
are in effect a
third
logical state of nothingness. You also have to code most
applications with
indicator variables to check for their existence. All in
all a real pain in
the
backside. BUT, if you give me the possibility that nulls
exist in the data I
much prefer using them vs. many a third party solution of a
single space. No
application that I can reasonably think of should use
NULLS, except those
pre-81
where there are obsolete columns.
Dick Goulet
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Author: Jesse; Rich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 10/14/2002 9:33 AM
On the link below is this quote from C.J.Date:
I don't want you to think that my SQL solution to your
problem means I
advocate the use of nulls. Nulls are a disaster.
Of course, he doesn't expound upon it (probably not a need
except for
dummies like me). Anyone care to comment? (On the quote,
not on my
dumminess...)
Rich
Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech
International, Sussex, WI USA
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Just for the record (and perhaps to confirm that there are
always two sides
to a story). Readers may like to see the article Chris Date
wrote to Ralph
Kemball on the subject of business rules and integrity
constraints:
http://www.dbdebunk.com/kimball1.htm
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Re:RE: A little OT, but somewhat relevant
Dennis, To a degree, but it isn't done as a sporting event over the internet. These guys/gals connect to the web site in what they call a stadium. Their all given the same problem at the same time then have to code their answers. Not sure what the criteria of judgement are. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 10/15/2002 6:58 AM Dick - Isn't that what the new Masters Practicum Exam for Oracle all about? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 9:24 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L To ALL, The following came in the mail this morning. I visited the web site (www.topcoder.com) and find it somewhat odd, but!!! It could spawn into a lot of things, like sparing on a database recovery so that your next employer knows your capable not just slinging it. Dick Goulet PS: Jared, sorry about the OT, but it IS interesting. --- Code-Jousting For Jobs A startup that gives software developers the opportunity to test their skills against their peers in online competitions is launching its own recruiting service. http://update.informationweek.com/cgi-bin4/flo?y=eJIQ0BdFGA0V20Bj330AH -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:RE: RE: Double Take and Oracle
frustrating of all is that there is almost no consistency to the errors./FONT/P PFONT SIZE=2Denham Eva /FONT /P PFONT SIZE=2-Original Message-/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [A HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED];mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A]/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 4:04 PM/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2Subject: Re:RE: Double Take and Oracle/FONT /P BR PFONT SIZE=2Lewis,/FONT /P PFONT SIZE=2nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; I can understand where Eva is coming from.nbsp; I had a demo of a similar/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2product some time ago.nbsp; Their BIG selling point is that you have a production/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2server and a backup that is close in time with your production server at half/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2(or less) the cost of a hot standby.nbsp; Their reasoning is that you don't have/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2Oracle running on the standby and consequently don't have to pay Oracle a/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2license fee for the second server since only one server is running at any point/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2in time.nbsp; Logically their point is well taken.nbsp; Regrettably and understandably/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2that is NOT Oracle's point of view./FONT /P PFONT SIZE=2Dick Goulet/FONT /P PFONT SIZE=2Reply Separator/FONT /P PFONT SIZE=2Author: Bishop Lewis lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt;/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2Date:nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; 10/15/2002 2:23 AM/FONT /P PFONT SIZE=2I'm always dubious of these types of products (especially when there are no/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2reference sites available) and would opt for a batched up standby database/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2solution (syncing every 5/10/15 minutes or so) myself. I'm not saying/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2Double-Take is not good - I've got no experience of it and am sorry it's not/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2any help but you have an option should Double-Take not work correctly./FONT /P PFONT SIZE=2Lewis Bishop/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2---/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2Barclays Enable - ISS - E-NTRUST/Bexleyheath NT/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2Oracle Database Consultant/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2Watling Street, Bexleyheath, Kent, DA6 7RR (Mail Van R)/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2Phone : 020 8298 3418/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2Mobile: 07950 380857/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED]/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2quot;Enabling Competitive Advantage for Barclays in IT and Business Processingquot;/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2 /FONT BRFONT SIZE=2-Original Message-/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2Sent: 15 October 2002 08:28/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L/FONT /P PFONT SIZE=2This header confirms that this email message has been swept for the/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2presence of computer viruses. /FONT /P PFONT SIZE=2Corporate IT/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2THE WOOLWICH/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2--/F ONT BRFONT SIZE=2Hello Esteemed Gurus /FONT BRFONT SIZE=2Pls advise... /FONT BRFONT SIZE=2We are trying to get Double Take to work on our site. Does anyone actually/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2have this product working??? /FONT BRFONT SIZE=2Salesperson claims Double Take is certified by Oracle - does anyone know?/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2Where could I find out, other than the company itself?/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2For those of you who don't know this product pls give your opinion. Double/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2Take is a software that copies your database files and parameter files etc/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2across to a disaster recovery machine, bit for bit. At failure of the/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2production the recovery becomes the production system and starts up the/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2database. Basicly the datafiles are still open??/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2We get the following error when we start up the database on the recovery/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2system in tests: /FONT BRFONT SIZE=2ORA-01172: recovery of thread 1 stuck at bloack 176624 of file 2. /FONT BRFONT SIZE=2I would just like to add that when this happens we resync the databases and/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2try again to test and guess what - it is the turn of file 3 to give the/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2above error, and so back and forth we go./FONT BRFONT SIZE=2To say the very least I am frustrated beyond comprihension. To make this/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2worse there is no one else in South Africa that uses this software with/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2Oracle, apparently in France. Convienant - I'd say. So I have no one to turn/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2to about this. (Apparently it works well with MSSQL). Anyone any ideas?/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2The Enviroment is Windows 2K SP3. /FONT BRFONT SIZE=2Oracle 817 /FONT BRFONT SIZE=2Regards /FONT BRFONT SIZE=2Denham Eva /FONT BRFONT SIZE=2Oracle DBA /FONT BRFONT SIZE=2quot;UNIX is basically a simple operating system, but you have to be a genius to/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2understand the simplicity.quot; /FONT BRFONT SIZE=2Dennis Ritchie. /FONT /P PFONT SIZE=2DISCLAIMER /FONT BRFONT SIZE=2This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain/FONT BRFONT SIZE=2confidential, proprietary
Re:RE: RE: RE: Double Take and Oracle
Eva, Your welcome. Please let all of us know how things work out for future reference. And don't be afraid to ask for more. Dick Goulet -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:RE: * Sr. Oracle 8i DBA Needed in NYC- Locals Only..
That holds true for New Hampshire as well (for the time being), course there are few high paying jobs up this way either so we end up paying Mass income tax instead. Dick Goulet One of the many NH residents who work in MA. Reply Separator Author: Kevin Lange [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 10/14/2002 7:23 AM Dpeneding on the state of course . at least here in Texas there is not (currently) state income tax. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 9:54 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Figure on paying about 30% of that to Federal, State, and Local taxes, Social Security, Medicaid Taxes, etc.. On Mon, 2002-10-14 at 02:43, Lyndon Tiu wrote: Keep on dreaming. On Sun, 13 Oct 2002, Sinardy Xing wrote: Hi US friends, How high is your income tax ? 90-110K is this the take home pay ? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Lyndon Tiu INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Rodd Holman Enterprise Data Systems Engineer LodgeNet Entertainment Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN HTMLHEAD META HTTP-EQUIV=Content-Type CONTENT=text/html; charset=utf-8 META content=MSHTML 6.00.2800.1106 name=GENERATOR/HEAD BODY DIVSPAN class=325272314-14102002FONT face=Arial color=#ff size=2Dpeneding on the state of course .nbsp;nbsp; at least here in Texas there is not (currently) state income tax./FONT/SPAN/DIV BLOCKQUOTE DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=leftFONT face=Tahoma size=2-Original Message-BRBFrom:/B Rodd Holman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]BRBSent:/B Monday, October 14, 2002 9:54 AMBRBTo:/B Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LBRBSubject:/B RE: * Sr. Oracle 8i DBA Needed in NYC- Locals Only..BRBR/FONT/DIVFigure on paying about 30% of that to Federal, State, and Local taxes, Social Security, Medicaid Taxes, etc.. BRBROn Mon, 2002-10-14 at 02:43, Lyndon Tiu wrote: BLOCKQUOTEPREFONT color=#737373FONT size=3IKeep on dreaming./FONT/FONT/I FONT color=#737373FONT size=3I/FONT/FONT/I FONT color=#737373FONT size=3IOn Sun, 13 Oct 2002, Sinardy Xing wrote:/FONT/FONT/I FONT color=#737373FONT size=3Igt; Hi US friends,/FONT/FONT/I FONT color=#737373FONT size=3Igt; /FONT/FONT/I FONT color=#737373FONT size=3Igt; How high is your income tax ?/FONT/FONT/I FONT color=#737373FONT size=3Igt; /FONT/FONT/I FONT color=#737373FONT size=3Igt; 90-110K is this the take home pay ?/FONT/FONT/I FONT color=#737373FONT size=3Igt; /FONT/FONT/I FONT color=#737373FONT size=3I-- /FONT/FONT/I FONT color=#737373FONT size=3IPlease see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com/FONT/FONT/I FONT color=#737373FONT size=3I-- /FONT/FONT/I FONT color=#737373FONT size=3IAuthor: Lyndon Tiu/FONT/FONT/I FONT color=#737373FONT size=3I INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]/FONT/FONT/I FONT color=#737373FONT size=3I/FONT/FONT/I FONT color=#737373FONT size=3IFat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com/FONT/FONT/I FONT color=#737373FONT size=3ISan Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services/FONT/FONT/I FONT color=#737373FONT size=3I- /FONT/FONT/I FONT color=#737373FONT size=3ITo REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message/FONT/FONT/I FONT color=#737373FONT size=3Ito: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in/FONT/FONT/I FONT color=#737373FONT size=3Ithe message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L/FONT/FONT/I FONT color=#737373FONT size=3I(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may/FONT/FONT/I FONT color=#737373FONT size=3Ialso send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing)./FONT/FONT/I/PRE/BLOCKQUOTE TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=100% TBODY TR TDPRE-- Rodd Holman Enterprise Data Systems Engineer LodgeNet Entertainment Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED]/PRE/TD/TR/TBODY/TABLE/BLOCKQUOTE/BODY/HTML -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re:RE: No Nulls? (was: Warehouse design: snowflake vs star s
Jesse, You would not happen to be talking about ManMan-X now would you??? Oh, the wonderful days of ManMan on HP TurboImage where the maximum date that it would populate was 32767 and date 1 was actually 31-OCT-1971. Yes, ManMan stored dates as a number where the starting point was 31-OCT-1971 and the latest date was 16-JUL-2061. What I imagine their doing is something similar. Actually your real problem was succinctly stated as Our 3rd party ERP system Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Jesse; Rich [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 10/14/2002 12:47 PM Hey Dick, Thanks for your response. The reason I ask the question is because I *wish* our ERP system supported NULLs, at least in date fields. To properly explain why, I need to preface it with a short explanation: Our 3rd party ERP system is one that was designed in the '80s using indexed files on VMS and possibly HP/MPE. It is written in a 4GL from Cognos called Powerhouse. When our vendor ported the ERP app to relational, I'm sure the non-normalized 4GL dictionary was maintained. And since the concept of NULL doesn't exist in a flat file (I hate that term -- RMS indexed files are *much* more than that!), NULLs are still not supported in the Oracle version of our ERP. This is fine except in the case of date fields. When there is no data for a date column, our ERP vendor exploits a hole in the OCI that PowerHouse allows where the digit 0 is placed in a DATE field. No, not a date of 00/00/, but an undefined date that gets translated to roughly 12/30/1899. I believe that there is another date that can result, but I can't think of it of the top of my expanding forehead. So, since NULLs aren't allowed in the date fields, we constantly need to check for these special date values when querying. Not being a student of normalization, I imagine that this would normally (small pun intended) be accomplished by moving the offending date field to another table? Just trying to learn for the next time I get to work on a different ERP... :) Thanks! Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 12:25 PM To: Jesse, Rich; Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re:No Nulls? (was: Warehouse design: snowflake vs star schem Jesse, I'll refrain from personal comments, but on CJ's quote, he's correct. Nulls are an oddity. They cannot be true or false (column_name = NULL or column_name != NULL), nor can they equal anything. They are in effect a third logical state of nothingness. You also have to code most applications with indicator variables to check for their existence. All in all a real pain in the backside. BUT, if you give me the possibility that nulls exist in the data I much prefer using them vs. many a third party solution of a single space. No application that I can reasonably think of should use NULLS, except those pre-81 where there are obsolete columns. Dick Goulet -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:RE: Re[2]: sequence numbers
Let's see, 1 table with 700+ columns that can grow to ~1GB that you want to iot and have in the keep pool. What are you smoking! That's one consultant that I'd HAVE to laugh in his/her face. And he/she would NOT get away with it. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Rachel Carmichael [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 10/11/2002 7:19 AM it's all in the buzzwords, obviously :) --- Deshpande, Kirti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We were asked, not too long ago, to create one Oracle8i database with only *one* table with some 700+ columns. While at it, the consultant (hired by end user dept) also suggested that we make it an IOT using an LMT, and since the table will never grow over 1GB, asked if there was a way to put it in KEEP buffer pool. He was helping re-write/enhance some MS Access Apps. Talk about knowing all the right lingo... ;) - Kirti -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 8:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L April, What can I say? Ouch! I feel your pain. I've been trapped in some pretty ridiculous situations too. (Though, I think you have me beat! A 37 column primary key?? Really??) Well, you at least seem to have the proper attitude. ;-) Without a sense of humor, I'm afraid you'd go insane in short order! ;-) The only other thing I can think of when people shut you down like that is: document. At meeting X, on such and such a date, I identified this problem, and Mr. Z told me to not to worry about it. It may not help, but from a sanity point of view, there is a certain amount of satisfaction in I told you so!, even if you never verbalize it;-) Hang in there, -Mark On Fri, 2002-10-11 at 08:43, April Wells wrote: Mark... If this were the MOST serious design flaw in the whole mess, I wouldn't care so much. There is a point where you just shut up (gee, I have been TOLD to do that in meetings) and wait till it breaks (or worse, one of our clients buys it and we have to TRY to implement). I am the funny one... the one to laugh at and make fun of because I keep trying to tell them that you can't do things. You can't have a totally denormalized Oracle table if there 1500 columns in it... yes queries will fly on a table that can't be built. You can't have 37 columns in a primary key. Date really isn't an acceptable name for a column. April Wells Oracle DBA Keep yourself well oiled with life, laughter, new ideas and action. Otherwise you will rust out. _Anonymous -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 7:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi Dick, I have to disagree with you here. Particularly in the case where this sequence will see any sort of concurrency, from multiple concurrent sessions accessing it. This is due to the serialization on the SQ enqueue. This will cause far worse scalability issues than any I/O. Not that I/O is insignificant, but in this situation, serialization on the enqueue will be the real showstopper for scalability. As to losing the cached values, well, so what? If your design is such that it's important to have an unbroken contiguous sequence of numbers with no gaps, then I would argue that is a serious design flaw. Also, if that's your requirement, then a sequence is not appropriate, since it can and will end up causing gaps, the first time you roll back a transaction. Finally, as to sequences losing cached values, unless your instance crashes or does a shutdown abort, Oracle should not loose any sequence values. -Mark On Thu, 2002-10-10 at 18:18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually there is no IO penalty since Oracle has to treat the sequence just like any table with the old LRU algorithm. I have several sequences with a cache of 0 and they perform as well as those with a cache value. The big difference is when you shut down the database and all of those cached values end up in the trash. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Yechiel Adar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 10/10/2002 1:38 PM I think that you will have an update to the sequence number EVERY time instead of every 20 times. That's mean I/o for every nextval. Yechiel Adar Mehish - Original Message - From: Tim Gorman To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 7:43 PM Subject: Re: sequence numbers CACHE 20 is the default, so if you remove the clause, it will have absolutely no impact on performance or anything else... ...of course, I get the feeling that that wasn't the gist of your question, was it? - Original Message - From: April Wells To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Re:RE: View contents of global temp table
But when your session ends (for whatever reason) the data you created during the
session disappears for ever, so that each session sees the table as totally
empty at the beginning of the session.
Dick Goulet
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Date: 10/7/2002 7:59 AM
The table may not necessarily be truncated which depends on the setting
whether it gets truncated on commit(or rollback) or at the end of the
session. no other session can however see the data.
Regards
Naveen
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*Your session* should be able to see the rows. If you commit (or rollback)
the table will be truncated. Are you commiting?
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Rick,
it is like any other table ... if the data is committed and you have access
you can see data, else no you can't.
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Hi All,
In session 1 I am loading data into a global temp table. Is there any way
to see contents of that table?
Thanks
Rick
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