[OGD] RE: stopping fertilizing in the middle of growth
From: Michael Etc... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here's a question: many of my plants have started to put out new leads. Generally, I like to have my fertillizing schedule coordinate with the seasons, which means I'm due for a slow down soon, but since so many of my plants seem to starting another active growth phase...I donno... Thoughts? Michael, Why stop fertilizing in the middle of growth? Or in the middle of summer for that matter. We have about a month to go till the equinox. Sun's high in the sky for about a month after that. Summer ain't over till the last bat is swung. The glass is half full. K Barrett N Calif, USA hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] RE: Phals and temps
http://primera.tamu.edu/orchids/OrchidProduction.pdf Read Dr Wang's article (that one as well as others at http://primera.tamu.edu/orchids/articles.htm) It raises more questions than it answers. To me anyway. Nevertheless, remember the 1st rule of growing orchids 'Whatever works for you works for you'. If bark works in your hands then stay with it. I've been researching old AOS Bulletins and have found instances of completely contrasting articles and advice, often in the same issue. So much so that I'm convinced that Gordon Dillon must have had a very weird sense of humor. No sooner do you read a well written article from Rebecca Northen on orchid culture than you turn the page and read an equally well writen article by Robert Scully stating the exact opposite of everything stated in the previous article. So go figure. Luckily I came across a quote from O Wesley Davidson who said that Fortunately orchids are adaptive where heat and light are concerned. Or my own personal hero, Helen Hirsch, who wrote that after chasing culture information from one commercial grower to the next she Came to realize that I was on my own. For me, reading those words in the Bulletin was like an epiphany. There were no rules. Only guidlines and suggestions. True liberation! So, for all you know your Australian commercial growers may be trying to alter the phal crop, timing blooms to meet a market date by keeping heat high, light low and roots moist with moss. Something the hobbyist doesn't want to try at home. (read the article I noted above, its quite interesting in the last half) K Barrett N Calif, USA Hi All. Question on growing Phalaenopsis, species and hybrids. Some professional nursery in Australia grow with spagnum moss and a fair amount of heating in their nurserys. Grow very well but suffer when taken into a hobby growers orchid house were the heat is not supplied in such amount. Other professional nursery growers use a open, 10 to 15 mm bark mix very successfully, but not useing the same amount of heat. Question I am asking is, is the amount of heat supplied a factor in growing in spagnum moss succesfully. Or is it a better medium to grow Phallies in. I have talked to both growers and each swears by his method ):-. Reason I would like to know the difference is , myself and a few other growers whom used spag and not a lot off heat had problems, but same Phallie in bark seems to grow ok in lower temps. I also find if not repotted very regulary spag brakes down after 6 to 8 months with our tap water. Where as bark gives us no problems. Thanks in advance Ron Boyd in sunny NSW were we finally get 20 mm of rain. Hope all you orchid growers in Florida have survived the storm. Looks very bad on TV. _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] RE: AOS/Mag/Ads/stuff
I still like the AOS. However I interact with the volunteers rather than the power people. It does bother me that there isn't a library at the headquarters or a Director of Education or Conservation. There have been a few pictures posted on the Usenet newsgroup alt.pictures.binaries.orchids that show that there are some nice orchids in the greenhouses, and not just ones from Kerry's Bromiliads, *G*. IMHO the co-advent of the internet and the AOS's 1/8th page ads sounded the demise of advertising in the magazine. In a 1/8th page ad a vendor only has room to say 'Check out my webpage and not much else. Makes for boring ads. Can't fault them for that. I'd do it too if I had to pay the freight. I'll still buy the magazine no matter what. At first I wasn't sure about the new size, but they've expanded the number of articles, so I'm happy. There's always some sort of articles in each one that I find interesting. Maybe not on the first read through, but later that year or the next. I've had many 'Oh I didn't see that before' moments in leafing through old mags. The organization could be so much more. But we won't go there. As for getting orchid information on the web... WHERE?? The internet has changed over the last 9 years from the information superhighway to a cybersoundbyte. The available information in forums and chat rooms rarely elevates past basic culture and is so simply stated as to be almost useless. (The exception being OrchidSafari, of course, *G*!) I find the information I want in BOOKS and MAGAZINES. Places where people take the time to actually consider what they are writing and readers take time to read what is being stated. When I don't understand a term I Google it and voila, more often than not I find a botany site that helps me out. Failing that I use the contacts I've made over the years to ask for help, and it has kindly been given. So I find that the more things change the more they stay the same. Everyone has always hated the AOS. The magazine has never had articles of interest. There's never enough money. The people in power are always jerks. The volunteers are saints. Vendors are strapped for adverizing dollars. And we get our information from people and books. OK I'll shut up now. I just wish I'd had the benefit of some of Bill's chardonnay while I wrote this, but unfortunately I'm as sober as a school marm. K Barrett N Calif, USA _ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] AOS financial data
The AOS had expenses over revenues to the tune of $915,912 in 2001. This is the most recent year for which the Form 990 is available. Anyone who wants to see the .pdf of the Form 990 for any of the years from 1998 to 2002 inclusive may e-mail me and I will send them. They are also available through Guidestar (www.guidestar.org) wth free registration. Expenses for 2002 included salaries and wages ($788,106, including $70,998 for the Chief Financial Officer (Michele Meeks), and $131,007 for Lee Cooke as the executive director.)) Deficits were realized on S tatement 9, in which $883,859 was expended for awards ($32,489), services and professional fees ($392,068), and miscellaneous ($459,302). Statement 8 describes the financials of the Swamp Majal, and are a spectacle to behold with a total accumulated depreciation of $667,032.60 on fixed assets of $6,791,390.57, including a $800,961.55 g reenhouse. Jim Watson got paid $62,779 that year, and Andy got $53,040. Jim got paid $2472 more in 2001 than 2000; Lee got paid $9296 more. Michele Meeks received an extra $6461. Andy took a $2346 pay cut in the same time period. The Orchid Gala is listed under Fundraisers and cost $87,731 and raised $84,440 for a net loss of $3,291. The AOS also lost $109,286 on stocks that year, $37,300 of which was on Xerox Credit Corp.) Perhaps the internet was to blame in that the Worldcom stock (-6,648.51) tanked along with Oracle (three losses of $6,804.23, $5,119.00, $9,030.90), Microsoft (loss of $6572.02) and Lucent (-$13,930.85). Anheuser Busch brought in $3,899.24, among others. It is tough to say why Mr. Cooke believes the internet broke the budget at the AOS without seeing the financials from 2002 and 2003. It is obvious that they should have bought or begged more beer stock... advice that is true in tough times most of all. If the AOS sends me the 2002 and 2003 Form 990 financials, I will be most happy to spread them in the same manner. -Eric the Fish I Stink From: Harvey Brenneise [EMAIL PROTECTED] | When I was involved as a volunteer with the AOS |(before a new president decided my services were no |longer needed), I noticed a lot of blaming |going on re: the finances of the organization. In |particular, I heard that the Internet was to blame |for their financial woes. ___ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Marni Turkel re Harvey
Marni who said: Unfortunately, I have deleted the OGD with the letter from Harvey Brenneise with comments about the AOS, so can't read it again. Fortunately you can Marni!!! Just click on this link http://www.potto-webdesign.com/mailman/public/orchids/ When there, click on Authors in the August 2004 Go down the list until you find Harvey Brenneise. Unfortunately you are still taking Andy Easton seriously, when everyone knows that Andy has a history of throwing dirt at any one who disagrees with him about the AOS. Don't miss the AOS financial data eye opener by Doug Duggins. Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] [Orchids Digest Vol 6 #337] Re: AOS
At 10:53 18/08/04 +, you wrote: and nothing less than blowing up the internet would fix it...Magazines are simply not up to the task of beating the internet back... In the case of Lindleyana I happen to disagree. I still much regret that the AOS has decided to stop this publication, which was a source of scientific information for which the Internet is not an alternative. Although other publications such as Selbyana do carry studies on orchids too, Lindleyana was unique to the extent that it was entirely devoted to the field of orchidology. With best regards, Simon M. Wellinga / SymPhyto - Laboratory for in vitro plant propagation Heerenveen The Netherlands / EU ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] I can share this with you
Andy called me a slimy woofter in his private e-mail to me. I don't know what a woofter is, but how eloquent a name! Leave it to Andy, he knows how to do things right!! We are going to miss him. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] best and worst phal species growing
Hello everyone, There's an idea for an article i'd like to submit to the IPA (International Phalaenopsis Alliance) Journal, and i'd like to ask everyone if they could answer a few questions for me. This survey is for people who grow phalaenopsis species. The article may appear in the last issue of this year, and will be about which species people grow the best/worst either indoors or outdoors/in a greenhouse. If there is a phal species that you grow really well, or can't grow at all, then this is a good opportunity to bring it to light so that we can come up with some possible answers for the negatives, and kudos for the positives. There could also be a discussion/follow up either in this or a following article about how to remedy the situation, or why such things work the way they do. If you could return your survey within a week, that would help me get the info together pretty quickly and go over the data, as it were, and pass along a basic story line to the editors. If you would like specific information included about your plants, growing area, etc please include your permission with the completed survey to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Also if you have pictures of your growing area, and pictures of your prized phal species in its glory that you would like to have possibly included in the article, then let me know also. Pictures don't have to be returned with the survey (but asap), so let me know if you will be sending one along, and try to have them be the highest possible resolution you can get and still email in a reasonable amount of time. Tiff formats are preferred, but jpegs of high resolution will work I think. Now, if you grow alot of phal species, and do pretty well with them in general, a listing of the plants that grow reasonably well without general fussiness is okay, but preferred is a short list of what does really well or really badly in your conditions, repeatedly, over time. If you just bought a plant for the first time and have had it for less than a year and it looks really nice, then don't include it on the list, but if you repeatedly buy a certain species, and it is gone in less than a year repeatedly (never happened to me.. well maybe just a few) then that is what we're really looking for. thanks! charles 1) Where do you grow your phal species? If more than one area, list all types (greenhouse, windowsill, under lights (what kind), lath house, on a tree outside, etc 2) What phal species (listing the area it is in) grows very well for you (can be more than one) 3) What phal species (listing the area it is in) grows badly for you repeatedly, or fails to thrive at all over time (can be more than one) 4) How long have you tried to grow this phal species (good or bad) (listing # of total plants over time is good, if memory works that is) 5) For the phal species you grow very well, what do you think is the key to your success 6) For the phal species you grow very poorly, what do you think is the limiting factor, or what keeps that species for doing well for you 7) Is there a phal species that you have had trouble with over time, but discovered a 'fix' and now do well with; list the fix and species 8) For the phal species that you have trouble with (or think you would have trouble with if never grown), would you consider changing or adding to your setup if it meant you could grow this/these other species 9) General cultural information that can shed light on how you grow (where you live, seasonal considerations, water type, fertilizer type, potting media, etc) If you have any questions or have survey questions that you think are very appropriate for this type of article, let me know. I may send out an updated survey soon, if warranted. Please do not hesitate to send examples of species you have had problems with, as the main point of this article will be to highlight particular species that many people may have problems with, so that attention can be drawn to possible solutions for people who really want to find a way to grow them. I think this is very important now that there are many of the new 'obscure' phal species that are finding their way into people's collections, and it would be nice if we all could keep these rare ones alive, and find a way to increase their numbers in propagation. There are many of you that have prized nuggets of information that could really helps us all out. By the way, if you would like to submit any information but don't want anyone to know who it came from, also let me know. None of this information is being used for marketing purposes or the like, and is solely to be used for education/entertainment of IPA Journal readers. None of the information will be passed on to other people than the Journal editors. If there are other concerns also please let me know. thanks for your help, look forward to hearing from you all sincere regards, charles -- Charles Ufford Calen the Border Collie CGC - now in Heaven Oriskany, NY USA IPA, Central NY
[OGD] various
on 8/19/04 7:38 PM, Peter wrote: From: peter croezen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: OGD [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OGD] I can share this with you Andy called me a slimy woofter in his private e-mail to me. I don't know what a woofter is, but how eloquent a name! Leave it to Andy, he knows how to do things right!! We are going to miss him. I was morbidly curious, so did a google, got this link http://www.wordreference.com/definition/woofter.htm must say I had never heard that term before, maybe more used in different parts of the world I wonder what term is used for a person who soon tires of personal insults and rehashed information . People disagree. Leave it at that. State the points and if someone doesn't get it after a few times, let it go. At that point they'll probably not get it, so getting p-o'd won't help their understanding any. About phals and potting mixes like sphagnum and coconut husk chips, I guess the answer is it depends,.. I have received plants packed tightly in sphagnum and they have done terribly for me, unless I forgot to water them for long periods which can sometimes happen more than not, but then without the necessary solid soaking of water to rehydrate it properly. I now often use sphagnum just lightly placed in a pot around the roots, or use sphagnum with alot of chunky perlite and still lightly placed around the roots and for my often humidity poor area (except often in july-august when the outside humidity can get quite high) things have been doing well for awhile. I did jump on the bandwagon with using coconut husk chips for alot of my plants, and found that the size of the chunks and the other media added to them made a big difference ot success or failure. When I just used straight c.h.c.'s, often there would be too much water underneath because I was always trying to keep the top ones looking wet; they had fluffed up and would always look dry. After mixing some perlite and charcoal (and sometimes a little sphagnum) that helped keep things on top from shifting around, so have alot of plants in chips as well. Also makes a big difference which species are involved as some just seem to have different preferences for aeration, wetness, all of that. My hieroglyphica gets alot of water dumped on it and it is in a big pot with chc's and other media added, and just grows and flowers more. regards, charles -- Charles Ufford Calen the Border Collie CGC - now in Heaven Oriskany, NY USA IPA, Central NY and Southern Tier Orchid Societies [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.paphiopedilum.net Http://www.geocities.com/charlesufford ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] RE: Orchids Digest, Vol 6, Issue 339
K Barrett wrote: ...No sooner do you read a well written article from Rebecca Northen on orchid culture than you turn the page and read an equally well writen article by Robert Scully stating the exact opposite of everything stated in the previous article. So go figure. What?? You mean that the methods for orchid culture in Washington/Oregon aren't exactly the same as for Miami? *GASP* [THUD] jimwatts _ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Gross faux-pas
John wrote: Maujean, What you did here, publishing a private communication on a list, is a gross faux-pas. I suggest that after having posted the two nice messager in this digest you gently crawl back under the stone. The disruptive after-kicking of an opponent divulges more of your character than you are willing to show. John Sorry for the delay in responding but I have been out of contact all week. The distribution of the message was hardly what you could call 'private'(I got it sent on to me from a number of sources) and Guido was just begging/baiting someone to post it to OGD for him. Colin Hamilton Webmaster Australian Orchid Council/OrchidsAustralia Rockhampton, Qld. Australia www.orchidsaustralia.com The more you complain, the longer God lets you live. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
