[OGD] Christieara Sharifa Alsagoff
Iris said: Someone wants to enter Christieara Sharifa Alsagoff in our show. This is not a registered grex. Does anyone have a clue to the parentage? Iris, most Alsagoff hybrids were made by Syed Yusof Alsagoff in Singapore. Yusof says he has never made any Christieara hybrids, and never used the combination Sharifa Alsagoff. He did, however, make Lewisara Fatimah Alsagoff, which has round blue-purple flowers and could easily be mistaken for a Christieara. Selamat Hari Raya Puasa. Peter O'Byrne ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Orchid Keeper's Rant
Dear anonymous Orchid Keeper. OGD is not a local publication; please remember that it goes out to people (like me) all around the world. I haven't got a clue what you are talking about. Your accusations against shadowy hate-based crowds from Illinois, tales of harassment by unidentified media from the North (Canada ?), petty thugs in ornate masks, truncated capitalized females in churches that are somehow your homes none of this has any meaning at all to someone who doesn't already know what you're talking about. Please try to be more coherent in future. And please sign your postings with your name. We do like to know who is talking to us. Cheers, Peter O'Byrne in Singapore ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Cost sharing
Concerningsmall Orchid Societies being unable to afford good speakers, Dan talks about a group of local orchid societies sharing "speaker expenses" so they can afford good speakers and stimulate interest. Dan: is for the local socities to "synchronize", i.e., co-ordinate monthly meeting schedules. Good point. It is done already in several places.I know from personal experience. Last year I was guest speaker, forone weekin eachofseverallocations across the USA and Canada. During a single week I would present my lecturesto 3, 4 or 5 OrchidSocieties, who had their meetingson different days of, for example, the first week ofeverymonth. These societies would cover and sharemy 'travel and accommodation' expenses. Guest speakers can help too!!! When Orchid Societies are small, and/or travel expenses are high, and the lecture is important for them to hear,waive the speakers fee!! . ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Arthur Freed
Colin who wrote: The movie Producer I was trying to think of was Arthur Freed (1894-1973). He was reknowned for his prolific Phalaenopsis breeding and used the naming style Phal. Freed's X Correct, but I believe the general manager and actual breeder of Phalaenopsis for Arthur Freed Orchids Inc. was not Arthur Freed, but his brother Hugo Freed, who is the author of New Horizons in Orchid Breeding, 1979. Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Photographers only Sunday 8-9 am.
Jerry who said: "Photographers only Sunday 8-9 am."Thank you so much for setting aside an hour for photographers. We do appreciate it. If only other shows were routinely as thoughtful. Most orchid societies in Ontario Canada do have this "special" time slotfor photographers only. For larger shows, I like to see two hours on the Sunday morning, say from say 7am to 9 am. If you have some twenty plus photographers with tripods etc., you need that time to get your turn at the popular displays. Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Invigorating an O.S.
Frikkie who asked for useful information on: how to invigorate an orchid society which have become stagnant, old and non-responsive? There can be many reasons why your society has reached this stage. It is hard to address your specific problems, without knowing the details. The most important reason why people join an orchid society is that they wish to learn how to grow orchids, and they wish to interact with fellow hobbyists. Thus the OS meetings business parts are kept short and coffee breaks are extended. Here are some suggestions howa healthy and vigorous orchid society operates: 1It has an interesting speaker every meeting 2Ithas orchid vendors at every meeting 3It's executive ismade up of members interested in growing orchids;not talking at meetings 4 It has an orchid show table every meeting 5 It conducts beginners classes, just beforeeach regular monthly meeting.(most important) 6 It sponsors an Orchid Show at least once a year 7 It conducts open house tours of fellow members 8 It has a monthly newsletter in which it features members and their orchids 9 It keeps the business part of a meeting short, 5 minutes max and do not read the newsletter. 10It has a LONG coffee break, where members interact and talk to each other One could probably extend this list. Attracting new members is extremely important andeasy,when you havesuccessful orchid shows. Keepingnew members often fails, when they attend three or four meetings and their needs have not been met due to the non existence of beginners classes. Realize, they joined to learn how to take care of their, often, single orchid.Guest lectures do not address their needs and often are over their heads. The orchid dies and the new member stays away and/or resigns. That is why beginners classes are so necessary at every meeting. Our fellow OGDer and personal friend Dr. Jim Brasch has known, understood , and practiced, for a long time, beginners classes before every meetingme at the Orchid Society of the Royal Botanical Gardens in Burlington, Ontario Canada. I hope this helps you Frikkie. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] AOS financial data fiscal year ending June 30 1999
To give you some idea whatpercentage of income was used for lobbying in the fiscal year ending June 30 1999, hereis theGuide Star published Financial Data from the AOS' FORM 990 (July 1 1998 - June 30 1999) RevenueExpenses Contributions $ 369,545Program Services $ 2,016,731 Government Grants$ 0Administration $ 272,518 Program Services $ 714,008Other$ 230,494 Investments$ 546,996 Total expenditures $ 2,519,743 Special Events $ 29,891 Sales $ 218,161 Other $ 992,362 Total Revenue $ 2,870,963 Net Gain/Loss $ 351,220 In this fiscal year $ 26,311 was paid by lobbyists to lobby for State Cultural Facilities Grant Money to support the exempt purpose of the American Orchid Society. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Dr. Yamamoto's e-mail address
Hi Hiroshi, Appreciate your help; thank you kindly for the e-mail address. Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Phalaenopsis gigantea articles
Hi Viateur, Thanks for the link to the article about Phalaenopsis gigantea. Not trying to be critical, but the name (Phalaenopsis Gigantia) is spelt wrong; the article carries no picture ofthis huge plant;the reporter appears not to know difference between petal and leaf. Here is a link to Peter Lin's excellent article on Phalaenopsis gigantea. Peter is the owner of Big Leaf Orchids in Texas. http://www.phalaenopsis.net/Info/gigantea.htm ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Phalaenopsis gigantea
Hi Viateur, My comments were not directed at your post, but at the article youprovided a link to. I should have read your entire post, which I did not. Sorry. Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] More WOC problems
Several Canadians purchased plants at the WOC in Dijon, only to lose them as the result of stupidity, arrogance, or both.. The Canadian Import permit instructs the Vendors/ Agriculturalauthorities what must be stated in the phyto sanitary documents. One of them being that the plants must be guaranteed to be free of the potato wart disease. The French simply did not bother to read it, or they ignored it .When the Canadians arrived with their orchids at Toronto International Airport, their plants were confiscated, for the phyto sanitary documents did not state that the plants were free of the potato wart disease. Hey, if you can't follow simple international administrative rules, don't offer to be the host of a WOC!!! ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] What a bloody shame!!
If David Hunt's source is giving us the facts re the rude treatment WOC vendorsreceived, if it is true, what a bloody shame!. Ihope thatFrance will sincerely apologize to all and compensate those who have suffered humiliation and severe financial losses. Ihope that theFrench orchidists will press their members of parliament to trigger a thorough investigation. I hope that the guilty will be punished. But I will not hold my breath until any of this happens. One thing the rest of the orchid world can do, and that is to make certain that France never appears againon anyfuture list of prospectiveWOC host countries. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] WOC Dijon, treatment of vendors (part 1)
I understand how embarrassed Uri Barukprobably is about all that happened at the WOC held inhis country, France. Whether he agrees or disagrees with the vendor's claims neither matters, nor does it make themgo away. I doknow a few vendors who were at Dijon.One of them happens tobe a friend, who justtold me this morning that he knows the source of David Hunt's OGD post and thatALL ELEVEN VENDOR COMPLAINTS in it are true. I believe my WOC Dijon vendor friend. Uri's disagreement with some of the 11 claims is meaningless. Let him tell us which ones are not true. Actually what happened to my friendand other vendors at the WOC in Dijon isworse than David's post tells us. Here are just a few statements from my vendor friend: Yes, all is true and unfortunatelly I was the "xxx country" vendor!!! I had sold a good amount in pre-orders so I could deliver them at the WOC. These customers came and went in the first five days, and I did not have my plants to deliver to them, for my plants were held up for 5 days. I also lost the money I paid fortransport of these"lost" sales. I lost 5 days selling at the show, for the 1st selling day starts during the work on the displays and everything. These would have been the best days, because all the hobbyistswere there during the 5 days of the CONGRESS. We received our plants just after the congress .As for the one who wrote the vendor complaints to David Hunt, (and I know who it is,) we had contracted the same Freight Broker (indicated by the WOC organization, a company called ZIEGLER FRANCE), we sent by freight 5.000 plants and when we leftour country we received by e.mail our Import Permit, but the original one?? Who knows where it is We brought with us another 60 plantsfor a friend who had the import permit already done and when we arrived in Dijon we asked forcustoms to check the plants, we paid the taxes and started selling the few plants we had. After 3 days the customs came and told us that we could not continue selling,because they did not have the origial import permit. (They did not have the one we gave them the 1st day). After the weekend, they finally found the Import Permit and we started selling again. continued in next post ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Fw: WOC Dijon, treatment of vendors (part 2)
Most of the foreign sellers had big problems; some could not receive their plants at all and knew theywould have BIG BIG problems because the costs for this show were very very high. Also some people had paid to have a sales stand and when they arrived were told: "No,.. the value you paid was only for registration, you do not have a stand. Can you believe this? We helped one person by letting her sell from our table. All things described by David's friend are true. Some people said that all the problems weremade to protect the French growers, others said that the French Orchidées who organized (If we can use this word) the WOC had problems with customs, some days before, and all the vendor's problems werebecause of it. Even the sellers who did not have any problems claimedthat no one came to see if they (we) needed something, to see if everything was ok, etc. Things that are commonly done, wherever we go to sell or show our orchids. They had many people working for them as volunteers and they had noteven given thema hotel to stay It is unbelivable but it is true. They worked for free and had to pay all their expenses! Nobody, tried to help us or even tried to find out what happened. They just wanted the payment. A MESS is too short a word to describe the WOC in Dijon. We have been helped by our country representative in Paris, whom Icontacted and now I will check what I will have to do, to claim our losses. I paid for things that I did not get,and I also paid 3.500 EUROS for Broker service and taxes, for all the plants and yet we could only sell 50% of them. If I had received my plantson time wecould have donean extra $20,000.-.in sales Who will pay this Believe me, mine isa poor country but our WOCwas much much much better organized than this one. Maybe this WOC Dijon is the worst one that will every be seen.. As`far as another vendor's experience,mentioned in David's # 3 complaint, his was also much worse than reported by David Hunt Someone who spoke in Dijon with that vendor reported the following: Hishybrid flasks were apparently both untouched and undisturbed. The straight species flasks were all tousled and the contents missing prior to their arrival at the show. Interesting laws of physics, given they were all shipped in a single box!It is believed that this transpired in customs at Charles De Gaulle. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Hanna Nina Rasmussen and Finn Rasmussen
both an HN Rasmussen and a F Rasmussen are quoted. I'm assuming one is Finn Rassmussen (who posts here) but don't know who the other Rasmussen is. Dr. Hanna Nina Rasmussenwas(is) a senior scientist at the Danish Institute of Plant Science and Soil Science, Department of Ornamentals, Aarslev, Denmark. She is the well known author of Terrestrial Orchids From Seed To Mycotrophic Plant, a book I can recommend to all who are interested in orchid mycorrhizas. Hanna alsodid some field studies in the USA, for the Smithsonian Institute, concerned with N. A. terrestrial orchid symbiotic fungi. Hanna is a very knowledgeable and pleasant person, to meet, as I found out when she came to my home. To the best of my knowledge, she is not related to Finn Rasmussen, but perhaps Finn can tell us himself. Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Jerry Fischer's Pk flasks.
Jerry, Would you kindly post a picture on your websiteof one of the Pk flasks you purchased in Lima from Manola Arias, son of Manuel Arias Silva, showing the Pk seedlings inside. Preferably the Johnny Walker flasks. ( they sell three types of flasks) I have seenthe J.W. Pk flask my friend purchased at the WOC in Dijon. Not even close to what the picture shows in the Peru-Flora Brochure. Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] There ought not to be any confusion, CITES cleared it up!
Peter Croezen's remarks on legal flasks left me so confused :In Singapore, the local authorities insists on CITES II certs together with Phyto when it comes to importing Appendix I flasks e.g. slipper orchids. Their belief is that when flasked up, CITES I will be down graded to CITES II. The confusion you and many feelwas not meant to be, years ago all flasks were taken off CITES. However, some orchid people interpreted other CITES articles in such a way as to claim that App I flasks were an exception and stillon CITES. It was also explained by the same people, that Artificially propagated App I species, from legally collected parents could then be downgraded to App II. Afterthe last CITES convention, (November 2004) this confusion was cleared up by adding a small paragraph to the top of the CITES App I species list. I will paste it in this post and also give you the CITES link to it. Please enlighten your CITES people in Singapore!!! (For all of the following Appendix-I species, seedling or tissue cultures obtained in vitro, in solid or liquid media, transported in sterile containers are not subject to the provisions of the Convention) App I flasks do not require CITES permits, PERIOD!! Here is the link: http://www.cites.org/eng/app/appendices.shtml Scroll nearly down tothe bottom, past FLORA, to OCHIDACEA For the curious, here are the orchids presently on the App I species list: Aerangis ellisii; Dendrobium cruentum; Laelia jongheana; Laelia lobata; Paphiopedilumspp.; Peristeria elata; Phragmipedium spp.; Renathera imshootiana. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] The two year agreement, should not be endorsed by INRENA
I don't understand this kovachii 2 year agreement. Is this just between Jerry and INRENA or between anyone and INRENA? In other words, will it be 2 years before we see seedlings offered for sale in US or not? Manola Arias was selling Phragmipedium flasks, at the WOC in Dijon France, that did not measure up in size and quality to pictures of flasked seedlings, advertised in hisPeru-Flora Brochure for US$ 550.-per 25 to 30 seedlings. Manola made his Dijoncustomers,who purchased Pk flasks,sign the sametwo year agreement you speak of. I believed at the time that this was just somethingManola dreamed up to extend his monopoly on the expensivePhragmipedium kovachii flask sales. Jerry Lee Fischer, who went to Peru to purchase Pk flasks, in an earlier post on this forum, stated: "We had to sign an agreement with INRENA that the seedlings would not be sold for 2 years," If what Jerry stated is true, and if it was indeed INRENA who madehim sign that document, then INRENA is dead wrong! This is against CITES rulesINRENA should be severely reprimanded by CITES. It is a corruptaction byINRENA toextend the expensive flasks sales monopoly of Manola Arias, who is simply selling them for his US fugitive father, the infamous Manuel Arias Silva , who escaped from the USA just before he was sentenced to 21 month in jailfor smuggling Appendix I orchid species into the USA. This Manuel Arias Silva was bombarded by the very same INRENA to be their protector and propagator of Phragmipedium kovachii. Permit 002!!! How ironic!!! Just when you thought there was no corruption in INRENA, and the Phragmipedium kovachii saga. Invite me to your orchid society and I will give you a digitally projected presentation on The Phragmipdium kovachii saga. I have made this presentation to orchid societiesall over the USA and Canada and can provide your societywith references. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] follow up,
Heather who said:In other words, will it be 2 years before we see seedlings offered for sale in US or not? Whoever purchased Pk flasks from Manola Arias can sell the seedlings right away, to anyone in his or her country. Forget that you signed a ridiculous "2 years no selling" document with INRENA. You did it to just get them out of Peru. It is not a legal document INRENA can use against you. One note of caution: If you deflask Manola Arias's Pk flasked seedlings, they are nowPk plants,and thussubject to App I CITES rules, i.e. you will need CITES export and import permits to have them cross international borders. Now that INRENA has allowed Pk flasks to leave Peru, the gates are down for all Pk flasks propagated from seeds of illegal, smuggled,Phragmipedium kovachii plants, known to exist all over the world.. Just watch the $550.- per flask pricedrop very quickly to normal.. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] INRENA and CITES
Michael who said: Not intending to dispute your assertion, I would be interested in having you expand on thereasons for the following statements by you that the INRENA agreements are illegal under CITESand are not legally enforceable:"If what Jerry stated is true, and if it was indeed INRENA who made him sign that document,then INRENA is dead wrong! This is against CITES rules INRENA should be severelyreprimanded by CITES." Michael I have always believed that every country must haveabsolute jurisdiction over its Natural Resources. I haveexpressed this on forums and alsoto the head of INRENA. When INRENA does not wish to give permission to take Pk's out of the country, that is their prerogative. I fully agree withit. If INRENA gives Peruvian citizens permission to purchase legal Pk flasks, on condition that they sign a document promising they will not sell the seedlings for two years , that is Peru's businesstoo. However, when INRENA allows export of Pk flask, allows Pk flasks to cross international borders, they have no jurisdiction over what happens to them after they have left Peru. The only authority that would have such jurisdiction is CITES...and CITES has made it abundantly clearthat flasked App I seedlings "arenot subject tothe provisions of the Convention" The two year no selling contract Jerry, a US citizensigned is ridiculous, as Jerry says , and it does nothing for conservation of the species. ( I would have signed it too and played their game for the sake of being allowed to take Pk flasks out of Peru) In my humble opinion,there is onlyone reason why INRENA is doing thisand that is to extend the sales of Pk flasks by Manuel Arias Silva,who signed his company over to his son Manolo. As`far as it being against CITES rules: When INRENA tries to dictate what happens toexported orchids, be they plants or flasks, orchids now outsidePeru borders, they tread on CITES territory. INRENA has no businessdoing so and CITES should blast them for it. As far as fully understanding how government and citizens "cooperate" in Peru, as Manolo calls it in an e-mail to a friend of mine who contacted him,you have to spend some time thereand see it first hand to believe it. I have seen it, and I believe it!! ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] dirt
Steve, take your blinders off. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Dirt
To Ray who said: Peter, have you ever gone climbing in the remote regions where P. kovachii grows, or done something similar in the forests here? Yes, I have! While your implication that the dirt on the hands in the photos were as a result of illegal stripping of plants, it is also as likely that the dirt got there by simply climbing through the forests to get there. A matter of perception. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Jerry Lee Fischer on Manuel Arias Silva
I considerJerry Fischer to be a very nice man, knowledgeable inorchids and arespected businessman, butJerry, I take exception to your statement: As for the Manuel Arias saga, I would like to suggest that the true story of what really happened with his arrest has not been properly represented on this forum. I have presented the Pk facts on this forum, more so than anyone else!! It would seem to me that on your Pk flask purchasing visit to Manuel Arias you have fallen victim to his charming personality. Please read Bert Pressman's response to you on this forum. All he says is true and factual; it confirms, in even more details, all that I have been saying on this forum, and in my lectures all over North America. I invite you to attend my next Pk saga lecture, or invite me to your neck of the woods to present it! ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Jerry, very questionable comments.
To Jerry who said: The Arias family has spent a great deal of money and made a huge effort to produce kovachii flasks and to produce may other Peruvian species from seed. Jerry, please, the latter isamyth and probably another charming story, told you on your recent visit to the Arias family business. I am a "flasker" with twenty years experience, I know areal laboratory, when I see one. Manuel did not have one in the year 2000, when I visited his premises. The glove boxwas covered in a thick layer of rust that one litter girlhad been unable to clean up in the three hours I was there. Every orchid grower in Peru, who has known Manuel Arias for decades as a collector oforchids will tell youthat Manuel Arias Silvahas never ever propagated any orchid in-vitro. Peruvians who have lots of experience propagating orchids from seeds, all had great difficulties propagating Pkin-vitro. Apparently Manolo wentto England, not that long ago,for a quickie course in in-vitro propagation. One has to believeManolo that heinstantly, without practical experience, wassuccessful in propagating a thousand Pk flasks, or more, from five legal Pk plants, known to produce very fewseed capsules in captivity and to have very few seeds in each, many showing no pro-embryo at all, just an empty testa. (Remember, I have a Peruvian friend who collected the firstfive legal Pk plants, before Arias came on the scene) None of my Peruvian friends in orchids, who know the Arias family very well, believe it, neither do I. . ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Like Jerry, I say, 'nough said.
Hi, I have decided that I have said all I wanted to say about Pk and Arias. (No need to thank me !!! ) It will get more boring, the longer wecarry on about it. Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Part 2
Jerry Fischer, who wrote this long paragraph and a lot more:... I posted the announcement of my purchase of the Flasks of Phrag. kovachii on this forum for several reasons. One was to see what the sentiments of the various writers are. I wanted to see how people reacted to the issue and to really open a debate about trade and whether governing bodies like Cites and the signatory nations are absolutely needed or whether as Orchid enthusiasts (commercial or otherwise) we could come up with a voluntary code of ethics and create our own system that would ensure protection of species in habitat and the ability to trade artificially propagated species that are first raised and sold in range countries.snip(this is too much) Jerry,please explain how any of the above fits your simple account of going to Peru, meetingsome Arias ', purchasingPk flasks,obtaining an INRENA document, carrying the flasksback to the USA in a carry on bag. There were three extradition hearings held in Lima. None of the U.S. attorneys from the embassy showed up at any of them. Probably true Jerry, except I would read "none showed up" as "none were invited." Nothing is secret in Lima, believe me, I know!! Most of what I am telling you now comes to me from a good number of Peruvian friends I have, who have known Manuel Arias Silva for all of his 70 years. Manuel Arias Silva is not only a man with great political powers in Peru government circles, he is alsoa very likeable and charming man. I experienced it, having met him several times. In addition to his charm,he is a very clever fox, which he apparently hasproven many times in his long history as a ruthless collector of orchids. What hedid not tell you is that a few months agohe wasarrested,in Limaby Interpol, and thrown in a Lima jail. He was out in two weeks, which is less than 1/12th the time it takes for innocent people to get out of a Lima jail. Peru has decided, in the case of Manuel Arias Silva,not to honor the extradition treaty they have with the USA.That does not surprise me at all!!They helped him escape from the USA, by providing him with a new passport. Why would they now extradite him? ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Fw: Jerry here is a brief response to your post 1
I divided my response over two posts. This is the first one.Feel free to scroll past both of them! Jerry, who said: I think it is time to let things lie with the Arias Saga. Well now, I will decide that.You are too late anyway, for I already posted the following: "I have saidall I wanted to say about Pk and Arias". On the other hand, you seem determined to perpetuate your Manuel Arias fairy tale, well aware that your knowledgeof the man and his business is extremely limited I wonder, why? . I do not know their family intimately. I wouldagree that you do not know them; not even casually I do have a great respect for the work they have done and the investment they have made Now this I am extremely interested in knowing . Please explain why, and please be specific . I purchased the flasks from Manolo his son. We know. . Manolo should not be considered as a criminal in any way. Agreed . People set up companies as independent from themselves for protective purposes. So what if the family has 3 separate companies each owned by a family member? Not three companies Jerry, just one, owned by Manuel Arias, who will havegood reasons to change the name periodically. .There really are labs that the Arias family runs and supervises. Please tell us about them. . I do not know when they were developed but they are there now. They received a laminar flow hood fromJapan, "free" in November 2004. Manolo advertises 4 cm Pk seedlings by March 2005. Magic Jerry? . I was really there. I believe you Jerry!!! Where is "there" . ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Jerry here is a brief response to your post 2
. I will post photos on my web site after our orchid show (AOS trustees meeting) next week. I hope you do and show us one with the name Arias on it, if you can, please..Peter, I know you are friends with Manrique, the other person who was allowed to collect 5 plants of PK by INRENA. Thank you for giving me an opportunity to talk about a wonderful man. Alfredo is not only my friend, but a friendto all who have ever met him. Heis well educated, has traveled the world for many years as a young man. He is a religious person, he is the most honest man I know. Yet he manages to survive in a system hard to navigate. . Do I detect some jealousy over the fact that Peruanino was successful with their flasks first? Thank you for your concern Jerry. I have seenthe flask you purchased from Manolo,and have no reason to be jealous That Manuel Arias Silva was first in germinating Pk, is not an establishedfact; That Manuel AriasSilva germinated them at all, is not an established fact ! ThatManuel Arias Silvawas the first one awardeda Pk flaskexport permitby INRENA, is true. That Alfredo will have his Pk flask export permit soon,is true. That I will have Pk flasks within a very short time, is true. I am happy Jerry, believe me!! .. I have not heard your talk about Phragmipedium kovachii but I would be interested in hearing it. Perhaps you can let me know your speaking schedule? It will be my pleasure to speak to orchid societies in your area Jerry. Please contact me off list. . ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] WOC and Orchid Stamps
For the16th WOC in Vancouver, Canada issued a booklet with several orchid species postage stamps. These were sold at the WOC, so people did not have to get out of he building and finda post office. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] WOC Dijon treatment of vendors
Stuart who asked : Any word on were the plants confiscated have ended up? Were the plants sent to botanical or other institutions?? (perhaps local growers commercial or otherwise??) David Hunt's original post gives us one clue.: Philippines stall had all their plants confiscated and force to donate all their orchids to the botanical garden, due to the French authority believe their CITES documents were fake, but they allow them to sell appendix I -fern. Right, confiscate App II, but allowApp I sales. Someone, French citizen preferably, explain theFrenchCites Authority logicof this ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] FIX frozen rusty small fan motor shaft
Joe who said: We recently noticed that 3 or 4 fans in our greenhouse have locked up.Presumabley, the bearings are frozen. These are expensive fans (Patton highvelocity) costing over $200 each. They were purchased about 5 years ago.What is the life expectancy of such fans? I assume these are fans having small, low power motors?? Moisture causes the steel shafts to rust, which then freeze in the bronze "sleeve bearing." I have fixed such problemssuccessfully, following thesesteps: 1. Remove fan blade protector cage. 2. Remove oscillating/stationary button by pulling up/off 3. Remove the fan blade, by turning locking nut clockwise (reverse thread) (If plastic housing around motor, remove it first.) 4. Put markersopposite each other on the two metalparts of the motorhousing, so you will know how to put them back together again the way they were. 5. Remove the three or four long screws that keep the two parts of the motor housing together. 6. Remove the TOP housing part on the side of the rotor shaft. 7. Remove the rotor/shaft unit (watchwashersstay in theBOTTOM housingbearing) 8. With very fine sandpaper, remove the rust from the rotor shaft, 9.Apply some lubrication to the full length of the shaft with oily cloth (thin oil) 10. Lubricate BOTTOM housing "ball bearing." 10.Reassemble all, making certain the markers on the housing parts are opposite each other. peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Purchasing orchid propagating media with, or without agar?
For anyone who is new to propagating orchids in-vitro and new to making medium, Aaron's suggested two Phyto TechnologiesLaboratories media P668 and O156 are excellent. You do need to add Agar, and Phytotechlab's A 296 works fine. If you decide to purchasethe alternatemedia talked about, with the agar already added, please realize that: 1) You can not remove the agar if you want a softer full strength medium. 2)You have to add agar if you use less than full strength medium 3) You may have to add agar if you add certain organics. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Yellow Cypripedium Eastern Maritime Canada
Rand who asked: Pursuant to a discussion on another List: can anyone tell me what is the name of the wild "Yellow Lady Slipper" that I am growing in my garden in acid soil in Eastern Maritime Canada? Not having seen a picture of it, the name more than likely is Cypripedium parviflorum var. parviflorum, or Cypripedium parviflorum var. pubescens. Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Cypripedum and mycorrhizae
Harvey who asked: I am wondering if anyone knows if this fungus is only needed for germination or whether its presence in the substrate is also necessary for successful culture of adult plants. The short answer is that fungi are there for both. The fungi are usually present in the substrate; if not,they will get there very soon and form that symbiotic relationship with the seeds and the seedlings,even if the substrate is in pots; in an orchid room; inside your home. Many growersenrich their favorite Cypripedium substrate with soils (peat) taken from the natural habitat of the species, hoping to bring in with that soilthe fungus symbiotic with the species. The roots of mature Cypripedium are usually heavily colonized by symbiotic fungi compared to the roots of many other orchid genera.I have examined Cypripedium root cellsin Spring, Summer and Fall and found that more often than not they contain an abundance of cells containingpartly "consumed"pelotons, but rarely live pelotons in newly infected cells, possibly indicating that over the period of one year the fungus is active within a very small window. Whether that is in the fall or spring, I do not know. What is important to note is that Cypripediums at a given time(s) in the year do use orchid mycorrhiza as their nutrient source. I hope this helps, Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Cyps, mycorrhizas and substrates
Wilford who said: Although the fungus appears to be essential for germination of seeds in nature, once there are roots, they are infected and the fungus is no longer needed in the substrate for growth and flowering. Your statement is essentially correct, but can bea bit misleading in that any substrate the infected (with symbiotic fungus)plant isgrown in willhave the fungus and never be without it, even if it was a fungi free substrate. Once the rootshave been infected, the fungus is part of the plant for life. Since fungal hypha enter and leave the roots to scour the surroundings for nutrients, any substrate it is planted in will have that fungus. Scott Durkee, of the VT Ladyslipper Farm, has also demonstrated that one can germinate this species and even grow it to flowering in flask without the fungus. This is no proof at all that the plants can survive without a fungus in nature. . ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Unnown orchid
Flowerlooks likeSobralia macrantha. I would dearly like to know what it is - even the genus! http://www.trekperu.org/orchid.jpg ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Unknown orchid
Dennis is correct. Eric Christenson ad Dave Bennett are the ones who will be able to identify the Sobralia. I was thinking of Sobralia altissima, which I believe grows at a much higher elevation than 1500 meters, where Oliver's' was found growing. However, I must say that I did seea collectedS. altissima growing in Peru at 200 meters elevation, where it had already attained a height of 12 feet. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] New e-mail address.
From 20 /6 we will have a new e-mail address, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please change your addresslist. Thanks. Regards, Peter and Laurina. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
