Re: [OSList] A Preface

[Phelim McDermott via OSList]

Thanks HarrisonI needed to read that today…Love Phelim xx- I generally pick up emails only at the beginning and end of the working day. I am currently aiming to respond the following day. If it is urgent please call me on 07956 187298. ___/Sent from my iPhoneOn 15 Mar 2022, at 20:38, Harrison Owen SR via OSList  wrote:Audrey Hepburn, a Young Chinese lady (that really is her name!)  tells me that she is going to publish some of my books in Chinese and, would I write a preface? I said I would try, but always following my fundamental dictum (Never work harder than you have to) I suggested doing one for all. It is a preface and you could stick it anywhere... maybe. Easy said -- but I never quite figured how hard it might be to summarize 60 years of thinking into a page and a bit. I have no idea if I have succeeded, But you might -- and if not let me know, and I"ll try to do better.Harrison-- 7808 River Falls DrivePotomac, MD 20854 USA301-365-2093
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Re: [OSList] Happy Birthday Harrison Owen

[Phelim McDermott via OSList]

Happy Birthday Harrison you are the gift! ❤️❤️❤️

Love 

Phelim X
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Re: [OSList] An Improbable invitation. A poem about a job.

[Phelim McDermott via OSList]

Whoops checked it all and got the Mother’s who make link wrong! Here it is !

https://motherswhomake.org/

Best regards,

Phelim McDermott
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> On 20 Nov 2021, at 12:42, Phelim McDermott  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello lovely space openers. 
> 
> I wanted to share something. Firstly it’s about a job advert but also about 
> how stuff we do at Improbable has been changed by the practice of invitation. 
> 
> First off I’m sure my wife Matilda won’t mind me sharing this story. She 
> formed and co-runs an organisation called “Mothers who make” it’s an online 
> and offline support group that grew out of one of our own open space events. 
> It supports the idea that we need to open more space into our work and life 
> spaces so that the the roles of both mother and maker are not separate or 
> marginalised by the other. 
> Check it out you might want to take part. You can join from anywhere in the 
> world. 
> 
> https://www.improbable.co.uk/job-vacancies
> 
> Anyway a few years back Matilda put out a job advert for a Producer role at 
> MWM in a traditional way. Job specs, salary, responsibility etc.. she got at 
> most a handful of replies. So she decided to create an informal advert. An 
> invitation. She spoke from her heart and from her passion and vulnerability 
> with real honesty about what the job would be and what it would involve. Raw. 
> She got 100 applicants. A real indication that it’s not just the sessions 
> called but the original invite that need passion and responsibility to give 
> it grip. 
> 
> https://www.improbable.co.uk/
> 
> So Improbable (link above) is a company that makes shows and opens space 
> wherever we can are currently looking for a new executive director. We put 
> out the formal job advert a few weeks ago and shortly afterwards we put out 
> our informal invite which is  below..
> 
> Please spread the word and notice that we are hoping to ensure no one should 
> exclude themselves from the possibility of interviewing, especially if you 
> don’t work in theatre. 
> 
> Yes this might be you. 
> 
> Here is the Invitation:
> 
> https://www.improbable.co.uk/posts/executive-director-informal-job-ad  
> 
> Here’s the text so you don’t have to click a link! 
> 
> “A POEM ABOUT A JOB.”
> 
> An invitation to Join us. A poem about a job. 
> 
> On our Gathering blog, https://www.improbable.co.uk/posts/the-gathering
> you may have read that we’re looking for a place to belong and to create 
> belonging. We've been gathering clues, seeking out places, talking to people, 
> in our quest for a home for the company. We have also just put out a call for 
> a very particular, key collaborator - last week, we announced that Improbable 
> is looking for a new Executive Director. 
> 
> Our Executive Director will, of course, be helping to take care of Improbable 
> - what it is, what it does, what its unfolding vision is, and what it may be. 
> However, one vital focus of this person's role will be helping to make The 
> Gathering, our home for Improbable and our practice, happen. 
> 
> You can read the formal job ad here. 
> 
> https://www.improbable.co.uk/job-vacancies
> 
> It does what job ads have to do – it talks about tasks, responsibilities and 
> qualifications. There is a heading called 'Person Specification' which lists 
> things like: 
> 
> Excellent written and oral communication skills
> Excellent project management and time management skills
> Experience of line management and excellent people skills
> An understanding of funding systems and track record of fundraising from a 
> variety of sources
> 
> Etc.
> 
> What it doesn't and can't talk about is spirit. 
> 
> Spirit Specification. 
> 
> So we want to do that here. Not to list the spirit needed by the person in 
> the Executive Director role because the specific thing about spirit is that 
> it does not belong to anyone. It exists between people. An understanding of 
> this is at the heart of the company's practice, that the brilliance of the 
> work, be that an Opera, an Impro, or an Open Space event, does not lie in any 
> one person's singular stellar performance, but in the atmosphere between the 
> players, even amongst the audience - between all the participants, it 
> emerges. Much like in a poem, the meaning unfolds from the combination of the 
> words and their particular clustering, their constellation. 
> 
> Here then, below, is a kind of poem. A list poem. It shares something of who 
> we are, and of our spirit.
> 
> This is our 'Spirit Ad':
> 
> We are Improvisers. Performers. Directors. Writers. Artists. Facilitators. 
> Parents. Partners. Friends.
> 
> We are leaders. We are listeners. 
> We are tricksters.
> 
> We have spent our lives following our 

[OSList] An Improbable invitation. A poem about a job.

[Phelim McDermott via OSList]

Hello lovely space openers. 

I wanted to share something. Firstly it’s about a job advert but also about how 
stuff we do at Improbable has been changed by the practice of invitation. 

First off I’m sure my wife Matilda won’t mind me sharing this story. She formed 
and co-runs an organisation called “Mothers who make” it’s an online and 
offline support group that grew out of one of our own open space events. It 
supports the idea that we need to open more space into our work and life spaces 
so that the the roles of both mother and maker are not separate or marginalised 
by the other. 
Check it out you might want to take part. You can join from anywhere in the 
world. 

https://www.improbable.co.uk/job-vacancies

Anyway a few years back Matilda put out a job advert for a Producer role at MWM 
in a traditional way. Job specs, salary, responsibility etc.. she got at most a 
handful of replies. So she decided to create an informal advert. An invitation. 
She spoke from her heart and from her passion and vulnerability with real 
honesty about what the job would be and what it would involve. Raw. She got 100 
applicants. A real indication that it’s not just the sessions called but the 
original invite that need passion and responsibility to give it grip. 

https://www.improbable.co.uk/

So Improbable (link above) is a company that makes shows and opens space 
wherever we can are currently looking for a new executive director. We put out 
the formal job advert a few weeks ago and shortly afterwards we put out our 
informal invite which is  below..

Please spread the word and notice that we are hoping to ensure no one should 
exclude themselves from the possibility of interviewing, especially if you 
don’t work in theatre. 

Yes this might be you. 

Here is the Invitation:

https://www.improbable.co.uk/posts/executive-director-informal-job-ad  

Here’s the text so you don’t have to click a link! 

“A POEM ABOUT A JOB.”

An invitation to Join us. A poem about a job. 

On our Gathering blog, https://www.improbable.co.uk/posts/the-gathering
you may have read that we’re looking for a place to belong and to create 
belonging. We've been gathering clues, seeking out places, talking to people, 
in our quest for a home for the company. We have also just put out a call for a 
very particular, key collaborator - last week, we announced that Improbable is 
looking for a new Executive Director. 

Our Executive Director will, of course, be helping to take care of Improbable - 
what it is, what it does, what its unfolding vision is, and what it may be. 
However, one vital focus of this person's role will be helping to make The 
Gathering, our home for Improbable and our practice, happen. 

You can read the formal job ad here. 

https://www.improbable.co.uk/job-vacancies

It does what job ads have to do – it talks about tasks, responsibilities and 
qualifications. There is a heading called 'Person Specification' which lists 
things like: 

Excellent written and oral communication skills
Excellent project management and time management skills
Experience of line management and excellent people skills
An understanding of funding systems and track record of fundraising from a 
variety of sources

Etc.

What it doesn't and can't talk about is spirit. 

Spirit Specification. 

So we want to do that here. Not to list the spirit needed by the person in the 
Executive Director role because the specific thing about spirit is that it does 
not belong to anyone. It exists between people. An understanding of this is at 
the heart of the company's practice, that the brilliance of the work, be that 
an Opera, an Impro, or an Open Space event, does not lie in any one person's 
singular stellar performance, but in the atmosphere between the players, even 
amongst the audience - between all the participants, it emerges. Much like in a 
poem, the meaning unfolds from the combination of the words and their 
particular clustering, their constellation. 

Here then, below, is a kind of poem. A list poem. It shares something of who we 
are, and of our spirit.

This is our 'Spirit Ad':

We are Improvisers. Performers. Directors. Writers. Artists. Facilitators. 
Parents. Partners. Friends.

We are leaders. We are listeners. 
We are tricksters.

We have spent our lives following our curiosity, trusting the unlikely, 
believing in the quirky, the subtle, and the irritating, giving time and space 
to all the improper things that are usually dismissed or discarded in a 
creative process. We are also all these things ourselves: improper, quirky, 
irritating. We are not always easy to live with.

We are often… Sad. Overwhelmed. Furious. Funny. In despair. In hope. 
Determined. Devoted. Disgruntled.

We believe that Improvisation can save the world. 
We are wildly ambitious and not attached to the results. 
We believe in the power of vulnerability.
We are committed to celebrating and holding space for the marginal. We mean 
those marginalised by race, 

Re: [OSList] The Gathering: Opening space to come home

[Phelim McDermott via OSList]

Thanks Romy and the beautiful inspiring words are more from Matilda than me of 
course!  Love to you Phelimx 



> On 29 Jul 2021, at 16:23, Romy Shovelton via OSList 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dear Phelim……. Your speaking is SO inspired…… words are now flowing onto 
> paper here …. and will be with you in the coming hours/ days….
> 
> Your home is coming….. coming home indeed…..
> 
> with love…. 
> 
> Romy
> 
> 
> Romy Shovelton
> 
> Executive Director
> Wikima and the 5* Tyddyn Retreat
> Mid Wales Venue & Holiday Cottages
> 
> 
>> On 29 Jul 2021, at 15:15, Phelim McDermott via OSList 
>> mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Open space friends, 
>> 
>> I’m sure some of you have already seen this but I wanted to share this 
>> invitation with the Oslist from Improbable. As you know we’ve been on a big 
>> journey of invitation with our Devoted and Disgruntled events over the years 
>> and the building of a community who have used and spread the practice of 
>> opening space in the theatre world and beyond. See here if you are 
>> interested. www.devotedanddisgruntled.com 
>> <http://www.devotedanddisgruntled.com/>
>> 
>> We’ve been in a period of space opening as the pandemic took us into 
>> stillness and then online in the theatre world. Now it’s time to open space 
>> to come home. We’ve decided to do it through Invitation, Art and 
>> Conversation.. 
>> 
>> I’m never quite sure if things copied in appear in the OS list so forgive me 
>> that I’ve included the text twice and also i’ve include the link to our 
>> website if this doesn't come through. Do let us know if you have any 
>> thoughts or straws you’d like to share.
>> 
>> Lots of Love Phelim
>> 
>> https://www.improbable.co.uk/posts/the-gathering 
>> <https://www.improbable.co.uk/posts/the-gathering>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> <500b71ae-a5c1-31cf-0df1-47c605453d6a.png>
>> 
>> 
>> The Gathering
>> 
>> Improbable are moving…
>> But to where? Maybe you can help us to find out.
>> 
>> This is an invitation to work with us on the next big Improbable project, 
>> which is taking an unprecedented form. This is surprising for a company that 
>> has explored so many diverse forms to date: we’ve done plays, operas, 
>> puppetry, panto, musicals, big outdoor spectacles, small indoor Impros. What 
>> else is left? Here’s one thing the company has never yet done: created a 
>> home.
>> 
>> We’ve had small offices. Plenty of those. But to do the creative work we 
>> have always rented, begged, borrowed, been asked into, other peoples’ 
>> spaces. And now, after twenty-five years, we want a space of our own.
>> 
>> Not a venue. Not a ticketed theatre. An Improbable space. A playful one. A 
>> porous one. One that can welcome and hold all the roles - those with tickets 
>> and those without. A place to share the work, make the work, or take a break 
>> from the work and just hang out.
>> 
>> Why?
>> 
>> Some of us are getting old. Older. Pushing fifty, sixty. The dream of a home 
>> is the dream of a place to house the practice, so that we can both deepen it 
>> and pass it on. If Improbable were on a hero’s journey, now would be the 
>> time for us to bring the gift back home - but we need a home to bring it 
>> home to.
>> 
>> During the pandemic the only space we had, the office space, had to go 
>> online. We have done a huge amount of work like this - remotely - and now, 
>> as things start to re-open, if we are to move back into a real, embodied 
>> space, we want it to be a creative one. The pandemic has also made us less 
>> London-centric, so we could go, almost, anywhere. But we want to be 
>> somewhere that we want to be, and somewhere that wants to have us. Somewhere 
>> other people would want to come. So, we are thinking landscape - not inside 
>> a city but near enough to one to be within reach.
>> 
>> But where?
>> 
>> We do not know, but we are quite good at not knowing. If there is one thing 
>> that we have been practicing these last twenty-five years, it’s that - the 
>> art of not knowing.
>> 
>> One thing we do, when we do not know what to do is this - we invite in all 
>> the voices, the professional, the personal, the irreverent and the seemingly 
>> irrelevant, the incidental, the marginalised, the dead and gone, the ghosts. 
>> And then we listen to them. This is how we make our shows. Put the voices 
>> and all the things they have to say, all th

Re: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time

[Phelim McDermott via OSList]

Hi Steve

There was a weird thing that happened to me with this list. a couple of years 
ago for some reason on my computer it stopped displaying who messages were from 
in their name, as it had done previously. So I had to hunt for their email to 
see who it was from further in the body of the email. This definitely put 
relationship One step away and meant i just didn't engage with the email as 
easily as I didn’t engage with the person first. This may be a simple settings 
thing in my computer that I haven't done. I love the simplicity of this list. 
But it didn’t quite build relationship in the same way. 

Best Phelim

> On 29 Jan 2021, at 18:32, Steve Holyer via OSList 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yep. This OSList works for me. Adding my thanks to the past moderators, the 
> contributors, and Harold.
> 
> And I’m glad the openness is in keeping with this community. I wouldn’t 
> change it.
> 
> And I was online back in the 80s and for sure then 90s when listservs were 
> all the rage.
> 
> i wonder if the retro look and feel and operation of a mailing list is 
> something of a barrier to entry for folks who never participated in a 
> listserv discussion—or who prefer a new fangled something or other? I 
> wouldn’t change it, but could we find a welcoming (and open) way to invite 
> more people? I don’t know what that is. Maybe just a youtube video on how to 
> connect with the community via the mailing list. (Even having Harrison’s 
> response on the history and openness of the list helps me connect to the list 
> and not be put off by it. I appreciate it more after reading this thread, and 
> I appreciate it before. So maybe just a way to to pin Harrisons words to the 
> signup and archive page would be useful. I think just pinning a long threaded 
> list of messages to include this whole thread wouldn’t really speak to the 
> people who might be put off by long list of mails in a thread already :D — 
> but a summary, or a video with some choice quotes could be helpful! ;)
> 
> I’m not passionate enough about this issue to be the person to find an 
> answer. (Or is it not responsible enough to stick around on this question.) 
> Don’t want to put more load on Harold either.
> 
> And I think this is a question worth asking at least, to see how it’s 
> answered.
> 
> Cheers,
> Steve
> 
> On 29 Jan 2021, at 17:59, Tony Budak via OSList wrote:
> 
> No Not antiquated. I could not agree more with Harrison. This is a very 
> effective list serve. Thank you again, Harrison.
> 
> Cheers,
> Tony
> 
> On 1/29/2021 11:53 AM, Harrison Owen SR via OSList wrote:
> Oh Yes... OSLIST started as a phone operated bulletin board. And for sure it 
> doesn't exist in 4 colors/touch screen. BUT it has probably existed as long 
> or longer than any competitors, is searchable, carries the 
> thinking/sweat/arguments of those who discovered living in Open Space (that 
> would be 1000's) and Harold (the most recent curator) has done a marvelous 
> job. Thanks. Could it be better? Sure... but it has worked for ? (20??)years! 
> And please don't fix it if it ain't broke...
> 
> ho
> 
> On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 11:39 AM Harold Shinsato via OSList 
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org  wrote:
> Michael,
> 
> Thanks. I appreciate the kind words. And I also know I could do better. Thank 
> you as well for helping out with the admin work for the OSList.
> 
> I couldn't see an easy way to see the count via the Archives. But looking at 
> my own stash of the emails, I counted 42.9k messages since the first one in 
> December of 1996 back in the old Boise State University LISTSERV 
> (osl...@idbsu.idbsu.edu ) days.
> 
> Harold
> On 1/28/21 4:48 PM, Michael Herman via OSList wrote:
> Great job, and big thanks Harold. You’re the only reason the list still 
> exists in this open, free, independent way.
> 
> And just so everyone can notice the scale of the thing, how many messages 
> have we posted here so far?
> 
> Cuz it’s not just about updating or swapping email tools, folks. Harold has 
> managed this so that we still have and can search every message ever sent 
> through the list. Amazing!
> 
> I know we passed 3 some time ago but couldn’t guess what the total is 
> now. I can’t figure where to look it up anymore. Do you have that number, 
> Harold?
> 
> Thanks, Michael
> 
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 08:40 Birgitt Williams via OSList 
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org  wrote:
> Thank you Harold,
> I love the simplicity that has been maintained for our email list, and the 
> independence to the extent possible for us to be in a platform that supports 
> us. Thank you for your work on this over many years, and also to those who 
> preceded you.
> 
> A super super simple way to pay attention to the list, and to follow threads 
> really really easily is to use the GREAT feature of the archives 
> 

Re: [OSList] Open Space in Zoom times......

[Phelim McDermott via OSList]

Hi Romy et al,

Yes we at Improbable have been doing OS events using Qiqo (and a lot of amazing 
support from Lucas!) We’ve done about 20 since the first lockdown from about 
10-250 people. We’ll be aiming to do our annual D event at the beginning of 
Feb and that will be around 500 people. The biggest and most costly challenge 
is access support and navigating such thing as captioning and BSL sign language 
support around break out spaces. Happy to be part of this call if I can make 
the timing work.

Lots of love to you all 

Phelim 

> On 11 Jan 2021, at 14:39, Suzanne Daigle via OSList 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello Romy and all,
> 
> How wonderful to read your note and to everyone who responded. We are living 
> into an amazing learning journey together aren't we!
> 
> As part of the Peace and High Performance Open Space gathering happening 
> January 22-24, 2021 (10 am to 3 pm EST), there will certainly be 
> opportunities to invite sharing and co-creative learning on the topic you 
> mention Romy. The cost for the three days is minimal $25. The spirit of the 
> gathering which will include reflections from Harrison on Saturday and Sunday 
> morning is very much in the spirit of shared learning as we continue to open 
> more and more virtual space together. We will be using a combination of Zoom, 
> QiQo (much gratitude always to trailblazing Lucas Cioffi) and Google doc, 
> inspired by Flourishing Futures and OSI US. Our hope is that it will also 
> provide a space to discuss other ways and means of opening space ~ simply, in 
> the spirit of a "less is more". 
> 
> Karen Davis has been hosting this gathering with Harrison for over 20 years. 
> It's an opportunity for people new to Open Space to experience and even 
> practice facilitation of open space. For others more familiar, an opportunity 
> to deepen our practice with others, including virtual.  What I've always 
> found most interesting are the diverse communities that we attracted in New 
> York, people who are passionately engaged in various causes, in 
> transformation and change. This year will be no different. 
> 
> All are warmly welcome. 
> 
> Below the invite, the important THEME that is bringing us together in these 
> times, and a link for all who are interested: 
> 
> OPEN SPACE TECHNOLOGY
> “PEACE & HIGH PERFORMANCE”
> Jan 22- 24, 2021
> 
> These urgent times need us everywhere, all of us, head and heart.
> Together, we must challenge ourselves to invite broadly,
> to engage and inspire each other to action.
>  
> “How do we engage 8 billion people in meaningful conversation?”
>  
> Explore pathways and discoveries with other global explorers.
> Please feel free to invite others!
>  
> https://osius.org/peace-high-performance-2021 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Suzanne Daigle
> Open Space on the Open Road
> 203-722-2009
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 7:41 AM Michael M Pannwitz via OSList 
> mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Dear Sylwia,
> 
> you and others in this string report how "effective it (ost) can be" in 
> online formats.
> 
> In which way was ost online "effective" or "differently effective" from 
> analog ost events?
> 
> Cheers from Berlin to Belgium (you live and work there now? The World 
> Map still sees you in Poland:
> > https://www.openspaceworldmap.org/worker/sylwia-myszka-szyszka 
> > 
> 
> hugs
> mmp
> 
> 
> Am 11.01.2021 um 13:13 schrieb Sylwia Myszka-Szyszka via OSList:
>  > Hello everyone,
>  >
>  > Happy New Year from Belgium!
>  > I would love to take part in this conversation. I've been working mainly
>  > with Zoom+google docs and with Qiqo chat. A year ago I couldn't imagine
>  > an open space online, now I'm still surprised how effective it can be.
>  > Happy to share and to explore further with you.
>  >
>  > Best wishes,
>  > Sylwia
>  >
>  > ___
>  >
>  > *Sylwia Myszka-Szyszka*
>  >
>  > Open Space Facilitator | Trainer
>  >
>  > sylvia.mys...@gmail.com  
> > | + 48 577 
> 804
>  > 500 | LinkedIn  >
>  >
>  > ___
>  >
>  > *I strongly recommend:*
>  >
>  > *- My article
>  > 
>   
> >
>  > *about *Open Space Technology*
>  >
>  > *- Interview
>  > 
>   
> >
>  > *where I talk about *OST***
>  >
>  > *
>  >
>  > *
> 

Re: [OSList] The 2020 Online World Open Space on Open Space - Planning Discussion

[Phelim McDermott via OSList]

I’d love to be able to support this Lucas. Will speak to Improbable colleagues. 

Love 

Phelim x



> On 31 May 2020, at 17:58, Lucas Cioffi via OSList 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Four weeks ago we heard from our colleagues in Germany that unfortunately and 
> understandably the 2020 in-person gathering cannot happen this year (their 
> original message is at the bottom of this email).
> 
> Then Mark Carmel started a thread 12 days ago: "How about we have a global 
> OST facilitated by HHO with invites to all on this list serve?"
> 
> I propose that we can all participate in the planning process for an online 
> World Open Space on Open Space (WOSonOS) this year...
> 
> First we'll need a compelling invitation.  On this Google doc 
> 
>  you will find 10 empty spaces where anyone can write a rough draft of an 
> invitation.  You can also add comments to other people’s invitations in the 
> comment section for each invitation.  If you would prefer to not use Google 
> docs, please feel free to reply to this email with your draft invitation.
> Action Item: So if you find yourself sitting down for coffee one morning with 
> a clear mind and thinking about why it is important to bring OS facilitators 
> from across the world together at this moment, please share those thoughts as 
> an invitation on that page.
> Second we'll need a place to host the event.  If we get 25 (or more) people 
> to offer their Zoom accounts, then we can have 25 (or more) breakout spaces 
> for free.  We can use a tool I've built (QiqoChat) to make it easy for people 
> to jump between the Zoom meetings, but people can use Zoom directly if they 
> prefer.
> Action Item: Please add your name to the Google doc (link is above) if you 
> have a Zoom pro account and would like to share it for this online WOSonOS.  
> When should we do it?  I propose that once we complete the invitation, we 
> schedule it with three week's advance notice.
> 
> How much should it cost?  I propose that it should be free with a recommended 
> donation of $X to organizations near where you live (for example the Open 
> Space Institute  if you live in the US).  This way we can 
> use the event to build our network's capacity.
> 
> What do you think?  The thread is open...
> 
> Lucas Cioffi
> Lead Software Engineer, QiqoChat.com 
> Scarsdale, NY
> 917-528-1831
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 2:12 PM Jo Toepfer via OSList 
> mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Dear OS Community worldwide!
> Whatever happens is the only thing that could have… We hereby inform you – 
> with regret, let’s say it ones before we look forward – that we decided to 
> stop the preparation of the WOSonOS 2020 planned to be held October 29 
> through 31, 2020.
> After a careful review of the current circumstances and the possible 
> developments of the COVID-19 pandemia we came to the conclusion that we can 
> not held the event as planned. At the moment it would be unrealistic to 
> conduct the event in a face-to-face format in fall 2020 here in Berlin. We as 
> the sponsor and all those who want to participate and would have to book 
> their trip in advance would be left with the cancellation costs.
> The alternative option to hold the WOSonOS as an online event instead is 
> clearly not our choice. For us this would be a different meeting than the one 
> we are entrusted with, and we have no passion to do it online.
> The ones who already registered, 43 participants from Iceland, France, 
> Canada, Netherlands, UK, Belgium, Sweden, US, Italy, Spain, Malaysia, 
> Switzerland and Germany, are already informed personally and their 
> participation fees will be fully refunded.
> 
> Next steps: We are currently checking the option to postpone the WOSonOS to 
> 2021. Therefore it would be helpful to know whether a designated team for 
> 2021 already exists? If so, please contact us and we will figure out where 
> the next WOSonOS will take place. Our preparations are on a hold – and 
> whenever the time is right we (and the venue manager) are ready to invite you 
> to Berlin. It is still a wonderful place to get in touch in Open Space on 
> Open Space and we appreciate the opportunity to host it whenever it starts.
> Take good care and stay well,
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[OSList] Opening space online in times of Covid and Crisis

[Phelim McDermott via OSList]

Hello Dear Open Space friends. 

Over the last few weeks we at our theater co Improbable have been on a fast 
track journey of learning how to open space for our communities online. This 
has involved facilitating events for some of the many communities we are 
connected to: Arts centres, artists support networks and the wider UK theatre 
community. As you may know we’ve been opening space for 15 years at our Devoted 
and Disgruntled gatherings in embodied space… www.devotedanddisgruntled.com

We have so far done a number of pilots and four public events. Each of these 
have had about 80-100 participants. Our first events filled fast in 48 hours 
and we are now scaling and scheduling another next Tuesday 2nd to accommodate 
the waiting list of over 250 people. The theater community here is challenged 
and needs urgently to have spaces where meaningful conversations can happen in 
a more hierarchically fluid way as our theatre buildings and freelancers are in 
crisis  We are just at the beginning of this and there is much more to 
discover. 

All of this would not be possible without the incredible help and support of 
this open space community.

I am and always have been in awe of the generosity of spirit that this group of 
people has. Special thanks to Suzanne Daigle, Tom Brown, Paul Levy and many 
others on the OS hotline and elsewhere forgive me if i forget.  But most of all 
Lucas Cioffi who has been incredibly supportive in helping us ratchet this up 
as the need has been so urgent. Lucas has been ever present often in the 
background, guiding us to find our way of using QIQO simply and effectively 
with our own style. 

We are going to do an interview about our events and use of Qiqo for our D 
events for Lucas but I just wanted to mention a few moments in closing circle 
which have been truly touching. Many of our participants have already been on 
zoom for hours and in many meetings online in these weeks as we have had to 
navigate lockdown from our homes. 
Despite this people have reported such things as.. "This has felt like the 
first time I have been out in a public space since lockdown." "This is the 
first time where I have felt energised and hopeful rather than drained by an 
online meeting" and "This is the first time I have been in a truly creative 
space since all this happened." 

We will be publishing the first three reports from last week at the beginning 
of next week and will keep people posted as we continue to open space for our 
theatre community which obviously considers gathering to be at the heart pf 
their lives and practice and have cruelly had this possibility stolen by 
circumstance. 

I mention the generosity of the people here and of course I know this all 
arises from the wellspring of spirit which was Harrison's original gift of 
letting us know about what he and his fellow conspirators had discovered when 
they first came upon Open Space Technology. From a tired and energised open 
space friend

lots of love

Phelim 

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Re: [OSList] Our son on his way home from Nepal

[Phelim McDermott via OSList]

Very pleased to hear this Thomas

Sending love and safety 

Phelim X



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> On 8 Apr 2020, at 12:31, Scott Gassman via OSList 
>  wrote:
> 
> Congratulations Thomas, Mia and Anton.
> Happy for you all.
> I imagine Friday cannot come soon enough.'
> 
> Peace & health.
> Scott
> 
>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 6:41 AM Doris Gottlieb via OSList 
>>  wrote:
>> So 
>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 9:53 AM Eva P Svensson via OSList 
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Re: [OSList] help needed : a good talk/sparring partner

[Phelim McDermott via OSList]

Hi Christine

Thanks for these notes. I missed your last meeting but am keen to be part of 
any of your future discussions. Do you have any plans for further online 
gatherings around your question and initiative.

Hope you are well 

Phelim xx

> On 27 Mar 2020, at 18:53, christine koehler via OSList 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> Thank you all so much for your help !
> we had a great conversation and it was a big help in tips and contacts and 
> clarity of thoughts.
> here is the link to our meeting notes 
> 
> 
> What would help me a lot is a structure of a nationwide proposal (never done 
> this before) based on participatory emergent processes.
> If someone has done one and could share it (the structure, and how the 
> calendar is presented) that would be really helpful
> 
> I reshape here the link of the article Peggy shared with us :
> https://medium.com/@jordan.s.lyon/the-day-after-a95b710558bc 
> 
> For hope for the future
> 
> 
> Christine 
> 
> 
>> Le 27 mars 2020 à 15:48, Ágota Éva Ruzsa via OSList 
>> mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> a 
>> écrit :
>> 
>> How can I connect? 
>> 
>>  Ruzsa Agota Eva,
>> systemic facilitation
>> www.facilitatorok.com , www.wisdomweavers.com 
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 3:24 PM Peggy Holman via OSList 
>> mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> 
>> wrote:
>> 6 minutes from now
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 27, 2020, at 7:11 AM, paul levy via OSList 
>>> mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> What time is it uk timec?
>>> 
>>> On Fri, 27 Mar 2020, 13:10 Barry Owen via OSList, 
>>> mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> I'm planning to be there today :-)
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 7:50 AM christine koehler via OSList 
>>> mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> Hi Everyone
>>> Lucas. tomorrow Friday 12:30 pm eastern in your garden works for me 
>>> Thank you for offering the space.
>>> Talk to those who are interested then ! 
>>> 
>>> Gerardo, that’s an interesting idea (we call it cafe suspendu here, it’s a 
>>> one on one offer, interesting to hear it can be translated differently) . 
>>> I’d be please to be in touch with this person 
>>> 
>>> You are wonderful :) 
>>> Christine 
>>> + 33 6 13 28 71 38
>>> 
>>> 
 Le 26 mars 2020 à 18:15, Peggy Holman via OSList 
 mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> a 
 écrit :
 
 If Lucas’ suggested time on Friday works for you, I’ll come also. 
 
 Peggy Holman
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Mar 26, 2020, at 8:29 AM, Lucas Cioffi via OSList 
> mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello Christine!
> 
> Please name a time and I can meet you in the OS Zoom/Qiqo garden: 
> https://openspace.qiqochat.com 
> Anyone else who is interested can join us too.  If this is a good 
> conversation we can do it again next week and more people can join with 
> more advance notice.
> 
> Is there a time that works for you...
> today (Thursday) 12:30pm-5pm Eastern / 4:30pm-9pm UTC?
> or tomorrow (Friday) 10:30am-12:30pm Eastern / 2:30pm-4pm UTC?
> Lucas Cioffi
> Founder, QiqoChat.com 
> Scarsdale, NY
> 917-528-1831
> 
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 10:57 AM christine koehler via OSList 
> mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> 
> wrote:
> Hi Guys
> 
> I have an idea that need some more thinking. it’s about lunching a 
> dialogue mouvement over here (France) to help people dealing with anxiety 
> and prepare for social peace after the crisis (there will be social 
> unrest for sure over here, we can feel it already). it may involve online 
> conversation café and open space
> I am looking for someone to help me take my idea a bit further , who 
> knows about Conversation Cafe/ NCCD  and can help me talk to the right 
> people in this community.
> We could talk via Zoom/whatapp or whatever.
> 
> Anyone willing to help me think this through ?
> 
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Re: [OSList] Meeting of the tribes: Our gifts for crisis and change

[Phelim McDermott via OSList]

Hi Rolf 

Thanks for this I will be aiming to be on one of these zoom calls. 


Thanks Phelim 

> On 5 Apr 2020, at 19:29, Rolf Schneidereit via OSList 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thank you for the diversity of perpectives, inspirations, suggestions and 
> offers. I’m trying to make sense of it and to harvest your answers for the 
> next steps– despite my limited english.
> 
> On the Art of Hosting-List appears the questions: "what is the purpose of 
> this gathering? what are the tribes meeting for?"
> It seems to me to make sense to first delve deeper into these questions and 
> then decide whether the answers will unfold power for an invitation to people 
> in diverse tribes. The clearer the needs and purposes become, the more 
> powerful the invitation will be. 
> 
> In order to explore these questions together, I would first like to invite to 
> a zoom meeting (to allow many to participate, there will be two at different 
> times):
> 
> - next Tuesday April 7, 10 a.m.  CET (London 9 a.m., Sydney 19 p.m.) – 
> https://zoom.us/j/812990692 
> - next Wednesday April 8, 7 p.m. CET (London 6 p.m., Boston 1 p.m.) – 
> https://zoom.us/j/549786222 
> 
> If you want to add your thoughts without attending another video call sent me 
> a PM or post them here. 
> 
> I hope that this makes sense.
> 
> Rolf
> 
> 
> Am 04.04.2020/ Kw14 um 16:59 schrieb Tony Budak via OSList 
> mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>>:
> 
> Hi There,
> 
> Check out TBMW's April outreach. 
> A Self-Managed Co-produced Conversation
> https://pickatime.acuityscheduling.com/schedule.php 
> 
> On 4/4/2020 8:18 AM, Michael M Pannwitz via OSList wrote:
>> Dear Harrison, 
>> 
>> yes, "whole system in the room" differs from "all who care". 
>> 
>> In FutureSearch a great deal of effort is undertaken to identify parts of 
>> the system... in a community/neighborhood this may add up to 100 or more 
>> "parts". Once all have been named they are grouped under 8 headings. For 
>> instance, a day care would be grouped with related parts and move into the 
>> group "Children". For each of these 8 groups 8 people are searched for that 
>> are willing, able and influential. They gather for 3 days and wind up with 
>> actions... It might take up to 6 months and more of planning with many 
>> meetings to get this "system". 
>> 
>> My motivation for mentioning the planning for an ost-event with the 5 or so 
>> prerequisites in mind and 
>> picking diversity as one of the prerequisite roots in the question of Rolf 
>> Schneidereit on "exchange between tribes like...". 
>> 
>> I wonder if the "exchange between tribes like..." might be achieved 
>> sustainably as a part of ongoing practice if every exchange that any "tribe" 
>> is engaged in anyhow and anyway (as our WOSonOSes and other exchanges) 
>> simply takes a closer look at "diversity" and then invites those of other 
>> tribes that they feel increases "diversity" for their exchange. 
>> 
>> This would intensify the exchange in a simple and ongoing way without 
>> arranging an additional exchange between the "tribes". It would also give 
>> space for discussing such things as "liberation, participation, collective 
>> intelligence, deep dialogue" and other grand things participants care for. 
>> 
>> I have and still do encourage the conveners of OST exchanges of all kinds to 
>> increase the diversity including the invitation to folks from "other 
>> tribes"... completely independent of any "crisis" but keeping in mind that I 
>> love "crisis" because it is one of the prerequisites for the Force of 
>> Selforganisation to really get steamed up. 
>> 
>> Usually, our exchanges are focused on our craft but there are many more 
>> things that happen in exchanges such as in a WOSonOS. And it would not 
>> surprise me if any of the "tribes" that Rolf has in mind (Peggy could add 
>> 150 more, all gathered in her marvellous Book on that topic) experience 
>> similar things aside from the focus on the craft. 
>> 
>> Thus, as a participant in the WOSonOS this October in Berlin I hope that 
>> those of you reading this from other "tribes" join in. Here is the link 
>>> https://wosonos2020.berlin/  
>> 
>> Reading the first line of the invitation: 
>> "WOSonOS is the annual worldwide meeting of Open Space practitioners..." 
>> simply imagine that "practitioners" can be expanded to "all who care"... 
>> 
>> Greetings from a sunny Saturday morning in Belin Lichterfeld, our house is 
>> on the corner of Draisweg and Resselsteig (with the photovoltaic panels on 
>> the roof) where the gate to our garden is always open... 
>> see here 
>>> https://www.google.com/maps/place/Draisweg+1,+12209+Berlin/@52.4162003,13.3267668,64m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x47a85b22273bf5c7:0xa0c56737e10b4a3c!8m2!3d52.41622!4d13.32688
>>>  
>>> 

Re: [OSList] Meeting of the tribes: Our gifts for crisis and change

[Phelim McDermott via OSList]

Nice Chris 

Best regards,

Phelim McDermott
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> On 4 Apr 2020, at 00:05, Chris Corrigan via OSList 
>  wrote:
> 
> I heard a lovely a succinct line from Valdis Krebs yesterday:
> 
> Similarities are where we connect, difference is where we innovate.  The art 
> of invitation is creating a group with similarities and differences operating 
> at a nice creative tension.  Not everyone in a system needs to be connected 
> to everyone else. But if everyone is a stranger, there is not enough 
> coherence to self-organize.  Self-organization needs you to strike a healthy 
> balance between the two.  
> 
> Chris
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Re: [OSList] help needed : a good talk/sparring partner

[Phelim McDermott via OSList]

Hi there Christine,

Sorry I couldn't be in the conversation today. Looks exciting. Thanks for the 
document. let us know if you are holding a follow up we are wondering how 
Improbable plays a role in this here in the Arts.

love 
Phelim x

> On 27 Mar 2020, at 18:53, christine koehler via OSList 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> Thank you all so much for your help !
> we had a great conversation and it was a big help in tips and contacts and 
> clarity of thoughts.
> here is the link to our meeting notes 
> 
> 
> What would help me a lot is a structure of a nationwide proposal (never done 
> this before) based on participatory emergent processes.
> If someone has done one and could share it (the structure, and how the 
> calendar is presented) that would be really helpful
> 
> I reshape here the link of the article Peggy shared with us :
> https://medium.com/@jordan.s.lyon/the-day-after-a95b710558bc 
> 
> For hope for the future
> 
> 
> Christine 
> 
> 
>> Le 27 mars 2020 à 15:48, Ágota Éva Ruzsa via OSList 
>> mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> a 
>> écrit :
>> 
>> How can I connect? 
>> 
>>  Ruzsa Agota Eva,
>> systemic facilitation
>> www.facilitatorok.com , www.wisdomweavers.com 
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 3:24 PM Peggy Holman via OSList 
>> mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> 
>> wrote:
>> 6 minutes from now
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 27, 2020, at 7:11 AM, paul levy via OSList 
>>> mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> What time is it uk timec?
>>> 
>>> On Fri, 27 Mar 2020, 13:10 Barry Owen via OSList, 
>>> mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> I'm planning to be there today :-)
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 7:50 AM christine koehler via OSList 
>>> mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> Hi Everyone
>>> Lucas. tomorrow Friday 12:30 pm eastern in your garden works for me 
>>> Thank you for offering the space.
>>> Talk to those who are interested then ! 
>>> 
>>> Gerardo, that’s an interesting idea (we call it cafe suspendu here, it’s a 
>>> one on one offer, interesting to hear it can be translated differently) . 
>>> I’d be please to be in touch with this person 
>>> 
>>> You are wonderful :) 
>>> Christine 
>>> + 33 6 13 28 71 38
>>> 
>>> 
 Le 26 mars 2020 à 18:15, Peggy Holman via OSList 
 mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> a 
 écrit :
 
 If Lucas’ suggested time on Friday works for you, I’ll come also. 
 
 Peggy Holman
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Mar 26, 2020, at 8:29 AM, Lucas Cioffi via OSList 
> mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello Christine!
> 
> Please name a time and I can meet you in the OS Zoom/Qiqo garden: 
> https://openspace.qiqochat.com 
> Anyone else who is interested can join us too.  If this is a good 
> conversation we can do it again next week and more people can join with 
> more advance notice.
> 
> Is there a time that works for you...
> today (Thursday) 12:30pm-5pm Eastern / 4:30pm-9pm UTC?
> or tomorrow (Friday) 10:30am-12:30pm Eastern / 2:30pm-4pm UTC?
> Lucas Cioffi
> Founder, QiqoChat.com 
> Scarsdale, NY
> 917-528-1831
> 
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 10:57 AM christine koehler via OSList 
> mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> 
> wrote:
> Hi Guys
> 
> I have an idea that need some more thinking. it’s about lunching a 
> dialogue mouvement over here (France) to help people dealing with anxiety 
> and prepare for social peace after the crisis (there will be social 
> unrest for sure over here, we can feel it already). it may involve online 
> conversation café and open space
> I am looking for someone to help me take my idea a bit further , who 
> knows about Conversation Cafe/ NCCD  and can help me talk to the right 
> people in this community.
> We could talk via Zoom/whatapp or whatever.
> 
> Anyone willing to help me think this through ?
> 
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Re: [OSList] help needed : a good talk/sparring partner

[Phelim McDermott via OSList]

Yes Thanks Lucas

Phelim x

> On 26 Mar 2020, at 18:10, Tom Brown via OSList 
>  wrote:
> 
> We just finished a nice accidental meeting in the Central Garden on QIQOchat. 
>  Thanks Lucas.
> 
> --Tom Brown
> tgb...@gmail.com
> On Mar 26, 2020, 2:00 PM -0400, JF via OSList 
> , wrote:
>> Hello,
>> Please count me in. It feel like social distanciation creates a yearning for 
>> tighter social ties.
>> 
>> THanks
>> 
>> JF
>> 
>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 1:04 PM Peggy Holman via OSList 
>> mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> 
>> wrote:
>> If Lucas’ suggested time on Friday works for you, I’ll come also. 
>> 
>> Peggy Holman
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 26, 2020, at 8:29 AM, Lucas Cioffi via OSList 
>>> mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello Christine!
>>> 
>>> Please name a time and I can meet you in the OS Zoom/Qiqo garden: 
>>> https://openspace.qiqochat.com 
>>> Anyone else who is interested can join us too.  If this is a good 
>>> conversation we can do it again next week and more people can join with 
>>> more advance notice.
>>> 
>>> Is there a time that works for you...
>>> today (Thursday) 12:30pm-5pm Eastern / 4:30pm-9pm UTC?
>>> or tomorrow (Friday) 10:30am-12:30pm Eastern / 2:30pm-4pm UTC?
>>> Lucas Cioffi
>>> Founder, QiqoChat.com 
>>> Scarsdale, NY
>>> 917-528-1831
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 10:57 AM christine koehler via OSList 
>>> mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> Hi Guys
>>> 
>>> I have an idea that need some more thinking. it’s about lunching a dialogue 
>>> mouvement over here (France) to help people dealing with anxiety and 
>>> prepare for social peace after the crisis (there will be social unrest for 
>>> sure over here, we can feel it already). it may involve online conversation 
>>> café and open space
>>> I am looking for someone to help me take my idea a bit further , who knows 
>>> about Conversation Cafe/ NCCD  and can help me talk to the right people in 
>>> this community.
>>> We could talk via Zoom/whatapp or whatever.
>>> 
>>> Anyone willing to help me think this through ?
>>> 
>>> Christine
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[OSList] Video?

[Phelim McDermott via OSList]

If I send a video in an email to the OSList will people be able to see it? Or 
do I need to upload it to something like Vimeo and send a link? 

Asking for a friend? 

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Re: [OSList] WOSonOS 2018 in Reykjavik, Iceland | Group photo & few more

[Phelim McDermott via OSList]

Inga

These are wonderful photos and really capture the spirit of the event. I wish 
that I had been there. Great to know that people are gathering and opening 
space in these times. 

love Phelim 

> On 28 Oct 2018, at 20:06, Ingibjorg Gisladottir via OSList 
> mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> 
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> 
> Dear Open Space community
> 
> WOSonOS 2018 in Reykjavík Iceland took place Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday; 
> the theme being "Issues and Opportunities of bringing Open Space Technology 
> to our World´s Challenges" hosted by Kári Gunnarsson. The event was also 
> NOSonOS 2018 - Nordic Open Space on Open Space - that got upgraded to World 
> Open Space on Open Space.
> 
> I like to share with you a picture of the great participants of WOSonOS 2018 
> in Reykjavik. The 42 participants came from 10 countries; Sweden, UK, The 
> Netherlands, Germany, Poland, Israel, China, US, Canada and Iceland - all 
> participants brought important contribution to the conversations. Among 
> participants were experienced Open Space facilitators as well as people who 
> had never before participated in an Open Space meeting - it was great to have 
> new people joining the OS community at the event. Two groups of university 
> students participated, one from The Netherlands and the other from Iceland. 
> Harrison Owen joined us as well in a Q session where he responded to our 
> questions with great stories and shared his valuable wisdom. Many thanks HO!  
>   
> 
> I had the honor of facilitating WOSonOS in Reykjavik and feel very privileged 
> to have had that opportunity - and to get to know wonderful people for three 
> whole days and witness their passionate conversations. This is my first email 
> ever to the OSlist but not the last! I will later send info on the proceeding 
> and a link to more pictures and videos. 
> 
> I am sending you a link to an album w/ 5 pictures: 1)The great Group 2) 
> Entrance 2)The Circle and the "Campfire" 3)Agenda wall 4)Reykjavík´s Skyline 
> celebrating the week of WOSonOS with Northern Lights  - taken from my home 
> when it was over!  Here is the link: 
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/kJ98HJrCc1MJv8849 
>  
> 
> All the best from Iceland
> 
> Ingibjorg   ( Inga ) 
> 
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[OSList] 2nd Global Improvisation Initiative

[Phelim McDermott via OSList]

Dear Open Space friends,

As many of you know our company Improbable have been on a big caper using open 
space for the last 14 years in our Devoted and Disgruntled events and in our 
practice of making theatre. It’s the culture of our rehearsal room and it’s how 
we make shows. 

If we work in an institution as part of making our shows we try and open a 
little space here and there...

www.devotedanddisgruntled.com

My initial interest in OS was first sparked because I recognised that it was 
essentially another name for that other practice which runs through my work and 
life:

IMPROVISATION. 

As far as I saw it OST was one big elegant Improvisation game. It just covered 
some of the aspects of my life Improv didn’t always get a look in on. 

With that in mind I’m aware that many of you also share an interest in 
Improvisation perhaps you use it, teach it or are fascinated by it. So I wanted 
to let you know about an international event Improbable are co hosting next 
year. 

The global Improvisation Initiative is happening in May next year and is an 
international gathering of all those interested in Improv in all its 
manifestations and applications. Two days of the conference will be held in 
open space. A Wosonos of Improv if you will: 

all details are here.   

[https://www.improbable.co.uk/portfolios/global-improvisation-initiative-2019/]

It’s open to anyone and there are still a few weeks left to get in any kind of 
paper, presentation or proposal if you desire. You may have something to 
propose around OS and Improv.. who knows? 

Here’s the blurb...

“In sectors across the business and creative worlds, old models of cause and 
effect are becoming obsolete. We are beginning to acknowledge the complex and 
chaotic nature of the systems that surround us. Flexibility, fluidity, 
spontaneity and real time responsiveness are the essential qualities needed for 
this accelerated world. The future will belong to those who can improvise 
best.” Phelim McDermott & Lee Simpson

In May 2019, the Improbable/iii will be co-hosting the Global Improvisation 
Initiative – a global gathering of improvisers, coming together to work on the 
theme of AWARENESS. It’ll take place at Middlesex University in London from 
15th – 19th May.

Would you like to be involved? We’re currently inviting calls for proposals 
from improvisers, teachers, makers, performers, researchers and students from 
any field to consider the symposium theme of “awareness.” We are interested in 
proposals across a range of formats, including performances, talks, workshops, 
presentations, papers, panel discussions, making and craft-based sessions, 
roundtables, or any other format you’d like to suggest. Expressions of interest 
should be 150-250 words, and the deadline is Monday 15th October 2018. You can 
read more about the GII and how to submit a proposal below. Tickets to attend 
the GII will be available later this year.

You can read more about the conference and how to submit a proposal here 

[https://www.globalimprovisation.com/call-for-proposals-2019]

Maybe see you there...

Love 

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Re: [OSList] Fwd: Hope Never Dies!

[Phelim McDermott via OSList]

Open space with a crimp?

> On 4 Apr 2018, at 15:11, Peggy Holman via OSList 
>  wrote:
> 
> I see the site has a contact page: https://workshopbank.com/contact 
> 
> 
> Anyone care to give them some feedback and request they stop calling this 
> thing Open Space with a twist?
> 
> Peggy Holman 
> 425-746-6274
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Harrison Owen via OSList > >
>> Date: April 4, 2018 at 6:40:52 AM PDT
>> To: "'World wide Open Space Technology email list'" 
>> >
>> Cc: Harrison Owen >
>> Subject: Re: [OSList] Hope Never Dies!
>> Reply-To: World wide Open Space Technology email list 
>> >
>> 
>> This is not the first time for this conversation… The simple truth: Old 
>> habits die very hard. The habit of thinking/hoping/wishing/knowing that 
>> somebody is in charge doesn’t play very well in Open Space. And so the 
>> predictable arrives as prognosticated. Or something.
>>  
>> Some find this ongoing situation an occasion to defend the process. I can 
>> understand the feeling, but I am quite sure it is not worth the energy. Open 
>> Space/self organization will do quite well all by itself, as it has for 
>> millennia. But there is a sadness, which on occasion expresses itself (at 
>> least in me) as anger. I find the ignorance and arrogance of those “meeting 
>> planners” to be totally appalling. The massive disrespect of the 
>> participants manifest in the presumption that they (the “planning 
>> Committee”) alone possess the keys to knowledge and action… that they alone 
>> could ask the pertinent questions for which they will supply the only 
>> answers, personally or through imported “experts.”  --  is soul numbing. Sad.
>>  
>> Harrison 
>>  
>> Winter Address
>> 7808 River Falls Dr.
>> Potomac, MD 20854
>> 301-365-2093
>>  
>> Summer Address
>> 189 Beaucauire Ave
>> Camden, ME 04843
>> 207 763-3261
>>  
>> Websites
>> www.openspaceworld.com 
>> www.ho-image.com 
>>  
>> From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org 
>> ] On Behalf Of Eva P Svensson 
>> via OSList
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2018 7:46 AM
>> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
>> Cc: Eva P Svensson
>> Subject: Re: [OSList] Hope Never Dies!
>>  
>> Don’t call it Open Space  if it’s not Open space!!
>>  
>> Another thing.. I visited my first ”Bar camp” a week ago. Oh my how 
>> frustrated I was with the control! Imagine that we had to stand up and  tell 
>> our name and two topic that we would like to talk about (without any 
>> obligation to bring them up). After that the ones who wanted to raise a 
>> topic - stod up and read what s/he wanted to talk about in the 45 min 
>> breakout sessions. Then we were asked to raise our hands if we thought that 
>> topic was a good idea  - and not if it’ wasn’t… Just imagine standing up 
>> front of all participants with a topic and no one raised their hand…!
>> Nothing was said about how to collect the recordings so there was a big 
>> confusion about that. Every breakout session was 45 min and when the time 
>> was out - the ”facilitator” came in the different rooms and announced that 
>> the time was over…
>> And of course no circles , just tables. Can you imagine me as being an Open 
>> Space ”fundamentalist” being oh so much frustrated…
>> Oh my - what an interesting experience …
>> Hugs
>> :o)
>> Eva
>> 
>> Bästa hälsningar
>>  
>> Eva P Svensson
>>  
>> EPS Human Invest AB
>> Co owner Genuine Contact Group Inc
>>  
>> "Verksamhetsutveckling genom människor skapar långsiktigt välmående företag 
>> och organisationer"
>>  
>> Anåsbergsvägen 22, 439 34 ONSALA
>> Besöksadress; Norra Allégatan 8, Göteborg
>> Tfn: 0300-615 05, Mobil; 0706- 89 85 50
>> www.epshumaninvest.se 
>> Skype: eva.p.svensson
>> Facebook sida: EPS Human Invest AB
>> twitter:@EvaPSvensson
>>  
>> "Jag kan inte lära dig något. Allt jag kan göra är att ställa frågor till 
>> dig, och låta dig själv finna svaren." Sokrates
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 3 apr. 2018 kl. 13:20 skrev Bhavesh Patel via OSList 
>> >:
>>  
>> Classic - "There’s a twist in this version with the inclusion of a process 
>> that gives the organizers a little more control over the agenda."
>> 
>> https://workshopbank.com/open-space-technology 
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Re: [OSList] Hope Never Dies!

[Phelim McDermott via OSList]

If it doesn’t walk like a duck and doesn’t quack like a duck...

It’s not a duck.

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> On 3 Apr 2018, at 12:46, Eva P Svensson via OSList 
>  wrote:
> 
> Don’t call it Open Space  if it’s not Open space!!
> 
> Another thing.. I visited my first ”Bar camp” a week ago. Oh my how 
> frustrated I was with the control! Imagine that we had to stand up and  tell 
> our name and two topic that we would like to talk about (without any 
> obligation to bring them up). After that the ones who wanted to raise a topic 
> - stod up and read what s/he wanted to talk about in the 45 min breakout 
> sessions. Then we were asked to raise our hands if we thought that topic was 
> a good idea  - and not if it’ wasn’t… Just imagine standing up front of all 
> participants with a topic and no one raised their hand…!
> Nothing was said about how to collect the recordings so there was a big 
> confusion about that. Every breakout session was 45 min and when the time was 
> out - the ”facilitator” came in the different rooms and announced that the 
> time was over…
> And of course no circles , just tables. Can you imagine me as being an Open 
> Space ”fundamentalist” being oh so much frustrated…
> Oh my - what an interesting experience …
> Hugs
> :o)
> Eva
> 
> Bästa hälsningar
>  
> Eva P Svensson
>  
> EPS Human Invest AB
> Co owner Genuine Contact Group Inc
>  
> "Verksamhetsutveckling genom människor skapar långsiktigt välmående företag 
> och organisationer"
>  
> Anåsbergsvägen 22, 439 34 ONSALA
> Besöksadress; Norra Allégatan 8, Göteborg
> Tfn: 0300-615 05, Mobil; 0706- 89 85 50
> www.epshumaninvest.se
> Skype: eva.p.svensson
> Facebook sida: EPS Human Invest AB
> twitter:@EvaPSvensson
> 
> "Jag kan inte lära dig något. Allt jag kan göra är att ställa frågor till 
> dig, och låta dig själv finna svaren." Sokrates
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 3 apr. 2018 kl. 13:20 skrev Bhavesh Patel via OSList 
>> :
>> 
>> Classic - "There’s a twist in this version with the inclusion of a process 
>> that gives the organizers a little more control over the agenda."
>> 
>> https://workshopbank.com/open-space-technology
>> 
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Re: [OSList] VB: Short report back - 2, 5 hours meeting (x-posted Genuine Contact list)

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Sounds like opening space to me :)

Love 

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> On 6 Dec 2017, at 11:49, Bhavesh Patel via OSList 
>  wrote:
> 
> Colours, lines, words, movement... and you?
> 
>> On 6 December 2017 at 13:44, Michael M Pannwitz via OSList 
>>  wrote:
>> What do you see in the design, Bhav?
>> hugs
>> mmp
>> 
>>> Am 06.12.2017 um 11:46 schrieb Bhavesh Patel via OSList:
>>> Could you explain the design please Thomas?
>>> 
>>> On 6 December 2017 at 11:50, Thomas Herrmann via OSList 
>>> > 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear friends in Open Space
>>> 
>>> The meeting tonight went super well. High energy, good conversations
>>> and engaged solutions surfacing.
>>> 
>>> I have added the picture of the design that I created. It is a
>>> special Open Space design
>>> 
>>> __ __
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the support
>>> 
>>> __ __
>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
>>> Email: tho...@openspaceconsulting.com
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
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Re: [OSList] Mother's Who make.

[Phelim McDermott via OSList]

Thanks so much Michael that’s very touching and helpful. 

We hope to be there in Berlin! 

Love 

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> On 3 Dec 2017, at 17:18, Michael M Pannwitz via OSList 
> <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear Phelim,
> 
> great stuff.
> I sent a bit anonymously.
> 
> Just technical stuff:
> --- provide for PayPal, they have a way to transfer gifts or donations 
> without a fee, or a very low fee
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> Hope you guys make it to Berlin for the WOSonOS in 2020 and invite mothers 
> who make.
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> 
>> Am 03.12.2017 um 14:51 schrieb Phelim McDermott via OSList:
>> Dear friends, Space Openers, Mothers, Artists, and anyone else who may have 
>> found either mothers or art to be an important part of your life..
>> I'm sharing here some exciting news about my wife Matilda’s ongoing project. 
>> "Mothers who make". Matilda has been opening space for mothers who are also 
>> artists and don’t want to undervalue either important role in their lives. 
>> She has been doing this for nearly four years now. The sessions are 
>> incredibly valuable for mums who often feel isolated and whose art gets 
>> pushed out by circumstance and the world. The work has been so far unfunded 
>> but they have finally secured Arts Council money to expand the network. They 
>> are also crowdfunding to match the funding they raised. Do check out the 
>> video and share if you get the chance. You Will also see our children 
>> Riddley and Tenar’s  skilful marketing pitch! Any support you can give 
>> however small helps them build the network and reach their goal to make this 
>> a growing network of valuable conversation and creativity.
>> https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/mothers-who-make/?
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[OSList] Mother's Who make.

[Phelim McDermott via OSList]

Dear friends, Space Openers, Mothers, Artists, and anyone else who may have 
found either mothers or art to be an important part of your life..

I'm sharing here some exciting news about my wife Matilda’s ongoing project. 
"Mothers who make". Matilda has been opening space for mothers who are also 
artists and don’t want to undervalue either important role in their lives. She 
has been doing this for nearly four years now. The sessions are incredibly 
valuable for mums who often feel isolated and whose art gets pushed out by 
circumstance and the world. The work has been so far unfunded but they have 
finally secured Arts Council money to expand the network. They are also 
crowdfunding to match the funding they raised. Do check out the video and share 
if you get the chance. You Will also see our children Riddley and Tenar’s  
skilful marketing pitch! Any support you can give however small helps them 
build the network and reach their goal to make this a growing network of 
valuable conversation and creativity. 

https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/mothers-who-make/?


Love Phelim 
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Re: [OSList] WOSonOS Day 2 is starting - Who's thinking

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Very exciting wish I was there! 

Love to all

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> On 27 Oct 2017, at 01:55, Jane Lewis via OSList 
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> We are just going into day 2 of WOSonOS17 in Tainan, South Taiwan.
> There's been a lot of excitement and a few little blips. In a minute we'll be 
> doing the group photo.
> 
> The question is beginning to build ... Who's going to invite for 2018? 19? 20?
> 
> A few little updates from here
> We've got folks from the Philippines, Germany, Iceland, Philippines, Italy, 
> Canada, USA, Malaysia, Singapore.
> We had an amazing artist team show up and create walls in a space that had no 
> walls to speak of. Then they did wonderful art around, including a number of 
> "clear air suits". (wearable suits with plants arrange in them for 
> "personalized clean air")
> On the fly we dealt with some technical issues and heard Harrison at the 
> opening - a big treat!
> Our facilitator is speaking in Chinese with a translator.
> The picture taking team just went out to the wet market brought goodies back 
> for breakfast. 
> 
> And  Who's going to invite for 2018? 19? 20? 
> Just wondering.
> 
> best, Jane
> 
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[OSList] Opening space for the Beatles

[Phelim McDermott via OSList]

Hi Gang, 

As some of you may know.. Open Space is a totally embedded part of our creative 
practice here at Improbable when we create shows.  www.improbab 
le.co.uk . I love how the 
principles sneak their way into so many things we do now. Check out the images 
for our project doing a show in Liverpool houses for the 50th anniversary of 
Seargent Pepper ;) https://www.sgtpepperat50.com/events/shes-leaving-home/ 


Full festival listed here.. 

https://www.sgtpepperat50.com

Love to all you 

Phelim 

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Re: [OSList] Twist

[Phelim McDermott via OSList]

This “twist’ sounds like open space with uncomfortable underwear to me! puts my 
"knickers in a twist” as the English sometimes say. 

Phelim x


> On 13 Feb 2017, at 19:22, Richard Kasperowski via OSList 
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> Hi, Bhavesh! I agree with you--it's a change, and it's not really OST. It's 
> more like a long-format World Cafe, with pre-set topics.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> 
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 2:14 PM Bhavesh Patel via OSList 
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> wrote:
> This came across my desk: https://workshopbank.com/open-space-technology 
> 
> 
> The guy talks about a 'twist' in the process that seems like a fundamental 
> change to me... what do you think?
> 
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Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 63, Issue 12

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A sort of automated declaration of two feet!
> On 27 Jul 2016, at 12:12, Lee Simpson via OSList 
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> Hiya,
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> On 27 Jul 2016, at 12:12, Lee Simpson via OSList 
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> Hiya,
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> On 27 Jul 2016, at 12:12, Lee Simpson via OSList 
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> Hiya,
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> On 27 Jul 2016, at 12:12, Lee Simpson via OSList 
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> Hiya,
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> On 27 Jul 2016, at 12:11, Lee Simpson via OSList 
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> On 27 Jul 2016, at 12:11, Lee Simpson via OSList 
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> On 27 Jul 2016, at 11:36, Rob Lancaster via OSList 
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> through now!
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>1. Re: OST and group methods in education settings
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>2. Re: OST and group methods in education settings
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 18:12:57 -0400
> From: Harrison Owen via OSList 
> To: "'Peggy Holman'" ,   "'World wide Open Space
> Technology email list'" 
> Subject: Re: [OSList] OST and group methods in education settings
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> OH that was a real space opener! I did an article too: 
> http://openspaceworld.com/opening_space_for_peace.htm I would guess that Rob 
> has gotten a bit more than he bargained for? And it is great to hear the 
> stories.  And for whatever it is worth ? I?ve never seen anybody convinced by 
> ?Data.? Good stories ? definitely. Of course that is heresy!
> 
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> Two other reports that might be helpful. One is a ?developmental evaluation 
> 
>  ? done of Experience Engagemen 
>  t, a gathering with 
> Open Space at its heart held in October 2015.
> 
> 
> 
> The other is the attached report produced in 2003 by Carol Daniel, Avner 
> Haramati, and Tova Averbuch about year after the Open Space they did with 25 
> Israelis and 25 Palestinians in Rome.
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> 
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Re: [OSList] Calais refugee camp/jungle - and the power of Open Space + a new veg principal

[Phelim McDermott via OSList]

wonderful work Chris.. 

Love

Phelim X



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> On 25 Jul 2016, at 12:14, Chris Grady via OSList 
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> May I share this blog as I realise that I have just been immersed in an open 
> space technology world whilst chopping veg to help feed the refugees from all 
> over Europe and beyond who are camped on the edge of the English Channel.
> 
> http://www.chrisgrady.org/blog/calais-warehouse-open-space-principals-the-right-veg/
> 
> I would welcome any sharing or reflections which you might be able to offer. 
> There are two other blogs from the same visit if you want to learn more about 
> the amazing work of the Refugee Community Kitchen and the Jungle Books 
> library/learning centre.  Both should be completely unnecessary in this day 
> and age, but as long as governments create limbo-land for human souls, 
> charity is needed
> 
> In case it is more helpful, I offer the text only below.
> 
> "I have just spent 3 days in and around the Jungle in Calais, and there are 
> two preceding blogs circulating which look at the work of the Refugee 
> Community Kitchen and Jungle Books. These are just two parts of an intricate, 
> fully functional, completely unexpected operation or organised chaos to bring 
> the maximum level of life and hope to the 7000 people living in political and 
> governmental limbo in Calais.
> 
> When not knee deep in carrots, I work quite a lot with the system developed 
> by Harrison Owen to help to run effective meetings and events called Open 
> Space Technology. Over 20 years it has been used to help to ensure that each 
> person is working most effectively when they are present in a space where 
> they are collectively tackling an important issue about which they are 
> passionate.
> 
> I realised that, with the addition of a quick principal about 
> veg/ingredients, the operation of the kitchen, and the whole interlocking of 
> services and support across the whole of the Jungle, observe the basic four 
> principals and one law which Harrison put forward. He will not be surprised 
> by this. I was delighted to muse over it whilst chopping aubergines.
> 
> The camp is totally supported by volunteers who arrive in waves or trickles 
> and stay for days or months depending on their own external life commitments. 
> On any one day or shift the organisers have to get used to the principal 
> “whoever comes are the right people” – there is no time to wish for a few 
> more, or worry whether they will stay long enough – we just get on with the 
> job with whoever is there. The principal, once accepted, takes so much of the 
> pressure away from wishing it were different. It ain’t. The challenge for us 
> all, back here in Blighty, is to make sure the right people, whoever they 
> are, know there will always be work and a welcome for them.
> 
> Principal 2 states “whatever happens is the only thing that could” – and as 
> the Warehouse awakes to start work in the morning with preparations, 
> deliveries, support services and care, they need to be aware that overnight 
> the militaire may have closed a restaurant, or stopped 700 children being fed 
> in a safe area, or decided that no building/repair materials can get through 
> the gate. Whatever happens, outwith the immediate control of those ready to 
> start work, has to be accepted. There are contingency plans between the 
> organising volunteers for some eventualities, but in the main they roll with 
> the punches. Behind the scenes there will be political and governmental 
> negotiation, but on the ground the work continues relentlessly.
> 
> Open Space suggests that all topics or area of work should generate action 
> points, so that “we” get stuff done. No point wishing someone else would sort 
> the mess out, whoever is there at the moment needs to get on and deliver 
> whatever is possible.   “When it starts it starts” – and whilst the stew 
> should have been on the simmering gas jets by 11am, there is a problem if the 
> 30 bags of tomatoes are not chopped and ready, or even available on site. 
> Then it can’t start. [Editor’s note — times and quantities are 
> fictional…please don’t make stew with my timings or quantities…these are for 
> illustration purposes only !]
> 
> And now I would like to add a specific principal for the kitchen, a variation 
> on the 1st principal, “whichever veg are in the fridge are the right veg” (or 
> variations on that theme whether the department is distributing food, or 
> helping to clothe the 7000 people in the jungle). The chefs have to be 
> endlessly inventive. The donations have to keep flowing. The deals with “just 
> past their best” suppliers, and larger business 

Re: [OSList] Do I need therapy for my OST control attitude ?

[Phelim McDermott via OSList]

Chris 

When encountering "space invaders" I've always found the sentence... "Sounds 
like a great session.." 

A very useful internal mantra for anger or antagonism.  As being attacked can 
freeze one with shock.

If pushed sometimes I say that out loud... sometimes I just play it in my head 
and it helps ground me. 

As MARSHALL Rosenberg said all anger is the expression of an unmet need. 

Maybe a lot of anger is an as yet unexpressed session.

It could have been a session about the question itself.. 

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> On 15 Apr 2016, at 07:56, Eva P Svensson via OSList 
>  wrote:
> 
> Chris
> Smiling when I read ”you need to go to therapy for your need of control” :-) 
> An Open Space facilitator ;-)
> Reminds me of an Open Space some years ago - a ”citizens dialog” around  the 
> city of Stockholm needed to build more place where people can live. It was in 
> an area where it was known that there was heavily resistans to the plans of 
> building. Well, the space was open, I went back to my chair and one man came 
> up to me and wanted to have the microphone to speak first…. I said - ”You are 
> welcome to raise your topic as anyone else” he looked angrily at me and said 
> ”SO! you are violating the democratic process And I thought with concerns 
> - am I really doing that perhaps? Since I at that time had no experience in 
> what we in Sweden call ”samråd” - i.e you have to involve people in the 
> decisions making process. So I was thinking that may be that was what we did? 
> - but I just had that thought going through my head for a milli second 
> because the next thing the man said to me was ”And besides you can’t speak 
> Swedish!! —> I’m from the south part of Sweden and do not have the accent 
> they speak in Stockholm :-) So then I realized that he just wanted to be 
> angry :-)
> 
> Of course the OST went well, he was still there until the end and the group 
> wonderfully handled his antagonism and he was not able to infect the others 
> :-)
> Trust the process
> :o)
> Eva
> 
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> 
> 
>> 14 apr. 2016 kl. 18:54 skrev Michael Herman via OSList 
>> :
>> 
>> reminds me of an opening i did a long time ago, in an small group, about a 
>> dozen, i guess.  on guy who thought he was pretty important interrupted 
>> several times, pushing to have a moment to go around the circle and hear 
>> names, organizations, titles and such.  i put him off and put him off.  i 
>> explained that we'd be learning much more than that about each other very 
>> shortly.  
>> 
>> finally, i decided his insisting was more disruptive than actually doing the 
>> go-round with names.  we made it a little ways around the circle, when we 
>> get to one old and wise community organizer.  he says, quiet and smooth as 
>> can be, "my name's lester and i'm just trying to figure out how to be a 
>> human being," giving the invader absolutely none of the info he was looking 
>> for and opening space for everyone else to answer without answering.  in 
>> this case, one more thing to not do was to get out of the way of the invader 
>> and let the wisdom in the circle take care of itself. 
>> 
>> AND
>> 
>> i also notice that this guy seemed to be objecting to your theme/question, 
>> which apparently was not part of the invitation that these folks responded 
>> to.  difficult as this guy might have been, if the invitation changed 
>> between what was published (and he rsponded to) and what was stated in the 
>> opening, then he might have had a fair concern.  at the same time, if his 
>> concern about the spin of the theme wasn't answered when he raised it, 
>> before everyone posted topics, then it could easily have seemed too late to 
>> raise it afterward.  so in some ways, the guy was really stuck.  it's a 
>> difficult thing to raise these structural questions/challenges.  
>> 
>> a different old community organizer friend sometimes took time at the 
>> opening to get agreement on the wording of the question.  potentially very 
>> chaotic.  i don't think i've ever done 

Re: [OSList] A Gift from Phelim

[Phelim McDermott via OSList]

And this is what happens if I reply... Scramble..

Anyone know why ?

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> On 15 Apr 2016, at 10:04, Phelim McDermott via OSList 
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Re: [OSList] A Gift from Phelim

[Phelim McDermott via OSList]

thanks for this, but for some reason my Mac email doesn't say who this is from. 
Does anyone know why this is of how to change it. 

Best 

Phelim 
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> On 14 Apr 2016, at 21:27, Jamie Colston via OSList 
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> 
> Amazing. I also happen to love it when children are in open space. They add 
> so much
> Thanks Phelim and Harrison for sharing
> 
>> On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 8:14 PM, Harrison Owen via OSList 
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>> One of the deep spirits I met in the space that seems to open all by itself 
>> whenever good people with good minds and great hearts assemble to consider 
>> what they really care about is Phelim McDermott. For many people he is 
>> simply a world famous director with credits for operas at the Met in New 
>> York, a Broadway show --- and some of the very best improve theatre in 
>> London . But more than that he is somebody who really cares, and who can 
>> share that caring in compelling ways.  I am sure you will see what I mean if 
>> you click on….  https://vimeo.com/75226991
>> 
>>  
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>> Harrison
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Re: [OSList] A Gift from Phelim

[Phelim McDermott via OSList]

My favourite bit is me realising they have maybe used their two feet after I'd 
bored their pants off 

Best regards,

Phelim McDermott
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> On 14 Apr 2016, at 16:21, Jeff Aitken via OSList 
>  wrote:
> 
> LOVE the phone call scene that opens this short film. How to open the space!
> 
> Jeff
> 
>> On Apr 13, 2016 12:14 PM, "Harrison Owen via OSList" 
>>  wrote:
>> One of the deep spirits I met in the space that seems to open all by itself 
>> whenever good people with good minds and great hearts assemble to consider 
>> what they really care about is Phelim McDermott. For many people he is 
>> simply a world famous director with credits for operas at the Met in New 
>> York, a Broadway show --- and some of the very best improve theatre in 
>> London . But more than that he is somebody who really cares, and who can 
>> share that caring in compelling ways.  I am sure you will see what I mean if 
>> you click on….  https://vimeo.com/75226991
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Harrison
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Winter Address
>> 
>> 7808 River Falls Dr.
>> 
>> Potomac, MD 20854
>> 
>> 301-365-2093
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Summer Address
>> 
>> 189 Beaucauire Ave
>> 
>> Camden, ME 04843
>> 
>> 207 763-3261
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>> 
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>> 
>> www.ho-image.com
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Re: [OSList] A Gift from Phelim

[Phelim McDermott via OSList]

Dearest Harrison and friends,

How sweet of you to post this. It was a prompt for me to watch this again and 
easy to track time as dear Riddley is well into his fourth year now! I’ve been 
a bit absent form the List as I’ve been SO busy with doing my first love and 
making shows back to back to back! A few weeks back riddled grabbed the 
microphone and did a very good impersonation of me opening the space. A random 
scramble of principles and law of two feet... totally comprehensible. I’m 
working on doing one less thing. 

I’m currently in Newcastle opening a new show this coming week: “Opening 
skinners Box. http://www.improbable.co.uk/work/opening-skinners-box/ 
 10 great psychological 
experiments of the 20th century …. and their perpetrators!

However D still goes strong. Last weekend we held two simultaneous OS events 
one about the future of Opera and one for Theatre in Exeter. The reports from 
our events have now reached over 2000 
http://www.devotedanddisgruntled.com/reports/ 
 and we are touching nearly 100 
of our OS events archived. http://www.devotedanddisgruntled.com/events/archive/ 
. 

the conversations continue. our next one is about science and art 
collaborating. 
http://www.devotedanddisgruntled.com/events/devoted-disgruntled-arts-science/ 


I still check into the list but get quite overwhelmed. I also noticed that it 
was harder to reengage when the List stopped telling me who posts were from 
when i got an email and this is probably why vibe been less present.

Every day in rehearsals we open space and we will continue to open space 
wherever we go! 

lots of love Phelim 


> On 13 Apr 2016, at 20:14, Harrison Owen via OSList 
>  wrote:
> 
> One of the deep spirits I met in the space that seems to open all by itself 
> whenever good people with good minds and great hearts assemble to consider 
> what they really care about is Phelim McDermott. For many people he is simply 
> a world famous director with credits for operas at the Met in New York, a 
> Broadway show --- and some of the very best improve theatre in London . But 
> more than that he is somebody who really cares, and who can share that caring 
> in compelling ways.  I am sure you will see what I mean if you click on….  
> https://vimeo.com/75226991 
>  
> Harrison
>  
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>  
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