Re: [ozmidwifery] what doctors learn at med school!
..."its the underlying premise in all that we do"..."we have to always be thinking at every moment...are you the one who is going to make my life hell?" Ok - well I can almost understand this way of thinking and i do not condone it. But, our Body Piercing Studio - cannot get insurance at all - never have been able to even though it should be very low risk. However, we have had a court case going for the past 2 yrs - still dragging out over a piercing that we didn't even do. The guy seems to have been paid by the shop that did do the piercing to say we did it. (he had his tongue done by them on a Wed AM - it got swollen and he ended up in hospital on Sunday PM. He had it removed surgically - 2 days latter (so on tuesday)they did a tracheostemy for infection from swelling and then a day after that he had renal failure and now he is saying we did the piercing on the Thursday and the problems must have all been our fault. A - he has NO proof at all and B - we have witnesses too say we did not do and and saw he had it done on Wed. But it is still dragging out and costing in legal fees. Because he has the doctors assisting him we have had a hell of a time proving that it is a a great big fraudulent case and a lie. And the doctors wont admit that they may have caused a problem - even though he got the swelling 2 days after they removed it. So i in some ways look at clients as - "Are you the next dickhead who is going to try to make my life hell?" I have some highly educated clients who I can chat to for hours and fiinally get round to what they have come in for and i also have clients who are absolute "nuff nuffs" and as they walk out the door the prediction of how long it will take for them to return with an infection is almost worth betting on. I must admit that some surprize me and do take care of the piercing and return for the check up in two weeks time with no problems - to my relief. It seems to be the lower socio economic clients who are more inclined to expect to pay less and sue if they have a problem - it seems to me that the lower socio economic clients are more likely to go to the TV shows and the likes because it is not worth counter sueing for defamation as they have nothing. If I were to go on TV and defame someone I would risk litigation and the loss of my business and house etc but if I have nothing - what can I loose. Next time you see someone bagging any business on the likes of ACA you will notice the socio economic status of that person. Most of them are low income people in rented houses. I guess Doctors see the same thing and the mentality is therefore being taught to them. It is so sad for this to be happening. Unfortunately, since we have had this rediculous case happen to us we are more distant from clients in general and defensive. Wef find it hard t trust people. We have the consolation that - A - we didn't do it and B - because they lied on ACA we will eventually win our case and then look at defamation. Here i am a country girl just trying to make ends meet (we just sold a bull - he cost us about $120 in formula and feed - because we have not had enoughrain we had to sell him - we got $49) Situation grim and rain not coming it is taking it's toll on the farmers and then to top it off we have litigation to contend with. I look at my life sometimes and think - who needs TV shows. Sorry to rant so long - just sometimes can't believe how some "nuff nuff" people can get legal help and how we are becoming so much run by lawers and litigation. Regards Rhonda ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, November 11, 2002 19:02:58 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] what doctors learn at med school! I had the dubious pleasure of sharing last semester with a group of first year medical students, of which one wished to become an obstetrician, but she couldn't tell me why? They were all in my opinion, abnormally focussed on litigation - this was first years What was really scary was they had no idea - they thought the reason we had the highest intervention and cs rates in Australia was because of our lower socio-economic group women. When I asked if they could explain why the healthiest and most affluent women of our community experience the most intervention they were struck dumb. These young women will be unleashed on the community in approx. 7 years; God
Re: [ozmidwifery] nuff nuffs
I guess to add to what I have already said - The guy sueing us was not OUR customer and did not get his piercing done by us. We are of the firm belief that if we treat people with respect and we do the right thing by them then they wont sue us anyway. I guess if he had come to us he wouldn't have ended up so sick and wouldn't be doing this. So, customer service is so important and I guess this makes us even nicer to our clients not really in fear of litigation but to prevent it in a way. Regards Rhonda ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 09:13:30 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] nuff nuffs "..."we have to always be thinking at every moment...are you the one who isgoing to make my life hell?"So why is she even bothering? She needs a profession where she doesn't haveto deal with people!--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.. IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: [ozmidwifery] what doctors learn at med school!
Gees, Rhonda, I feel for you with your business. Why would anyone want to get a tongue pierced?shudder Read what I'm saying next carefully please. I understand your situation; that not what I'm about to rant about. It's the situation in general. This whole business of "class distinction" gets on my nerves. We, of the "lower socio-economic class", are fed up with "middle class" people who are educated in The System on how to rip off the people with less, ripping us off. Just because we have not had the opportunities of education, (which included how to get along in The System) did not have the sheer luck (or whatever it may be) of marrying the "right" person with the "right" pay packet or socio-economic status to haul us out of whatever we've been forced into, does not mean Freddy or Freda Bloggs has the right to exploit us. In my own case, I have been very shabbily treated by several "landlords" (my, how THAT term needs to be changed!). The last one used his position as a big-wig at Australia Post to have me turfed out with my children on false pretences, gathering along the way a series of false "information". He lied under oath, as did his missus, at the Residential Tenancies Tribunal. This was largely responsible for my son leaving home. Since I moved with my Darlings to Adelaide in 1996, we have lived in 5 different houses.One was in such bad state that when I contacted the housing inspectors after the electricals failed and the landlord wanted me to pay $2000 for the place to be rewired, there was a list as long as your arm of things to be fixed to bring the house up to "liveable" standard. The inspector found all the electricals were wired by an amateur from one joint in the roof -- less than a metre from where there'd been a leak from the holey roof for over ten years. The inspector could not understand how there'd never been a fire. The damned "landlord" actually told me I shouldconsider myself lucky to live in such a place, there's plenty worse. Yes, I said, I've seenpeople dying of starvation without even a piece of plastic for shelter -- in India, in Vietnam during the war, in Indonesia, but this is Adelaide, Australia. The place I'min currently isdreadful to live in at $175 per week. I'm on aCentrelink payment which is inadequate, but I cannot realistically be a full-time mother and go out to work. How others manage it, I do not know. When I diddo it for a while, my children went bananas and I chose to live on a small income rather than let them go off the rails. Many people of the 'lower socio-economic class" are not there by choice. We would love to have a mortgage, which would be less to pay than rent. Many have a background of child abuse or other hardships. Many have worked hard but been treated badly and left with no option but to quit, making it harder to get another job. It can leave one bitter and cynical. You have no idea how hard it is to haul oneself out of that pit once you've fallen into it. You do not have enough money for clothing. To buy food, you have to hunt around for the cheapest. Your have to beg the school to allow your child to go on excursions, to do subjects where there is a fee. To not have to pay the school fees, even though it's a government school, the fees are much too high for those on a low income. An example of this is my son's high school staff insisted I talk to all the school councillors as well as the Outdoor Education teachers and tell them exactly WHY I could not afford the Outdoor Ed. fees, yet wanted Leslie to do that subject. I had to do that twice every term. I found out I had to tell them he wanted to be an Outdoor Ed teacher so he could do it as a subject in Years 10 11. If you don't have the money, they said, there has to be a valid reason for him doing the subject that anyone with $85 per term is allowed to do. We have to beg for all sorts of rights that others take for granted. How do you think we put shoes on our children's feet? By going without decent shoes ourselves. This is how I became physically disabled to the point where I could no longer walk and they had to do the shopping. I cannot take public transport, yet maintaining my 1975 Corona is difficult. I have to pay more for petrol than I would with car on unleaded. Paying registration is $110 every three months. If I could save up enough to pay for a year, it would be considerably less, but it's impossible. There are many ways in which the "middle class" make us pay more because we have less, which makes it even more difficult to get out of the poverty trap. Every attempt I have made at getting out of the poverty trap has led me further into it, further back financially. How do you get a job anyway, wearing shabby clothing and shoes, when you're up against people who have been in the workforce consistently for twenty years or more, who have the clothing, the car, are able to afford to look after
[ozmidwifery] Greens Rally In Melbourne
Hi, my name is Sarah and I'm a mum of three and an aspiring midwife! I would love to come to the Rally. I live in Ballarat and I drive an eight seater van, so I would have room for up to four people if they want a lift? I ask only a contribution of $10 towards petrol. I'd like to leave Ballarat at about 8.30 so if you're interested let me know. My private e-mail address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hope to hear from someone soon. love from Sarah _ Get YOUR Free Email Much Much More at Mumsweb! http://www.mumsweb.com _ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get [EMAIL PROTECTED] w/No Ads, 6MB, POP more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] flyer
Yeah, Go Vicki and Nic!!! I've recently found there's an American psychologist in Amsterdam claiming to have invented Vocal Dance in Amsterdam in the eighties. What a coincidence! I coined the term Vocal Dance in Amsterdam, where I lived and worked from 1976 to 1985. I emailed her and remarked that there must be a lot of people we know in common who would remember me and my Vocal Dance performances and teaching -- and was answered by a woman I worked with in 1978/9, who remembers me well! I have people asking me for copies of my radio play. Imagine what would happen if the ABC found out I'd broken my own copyright agreement!!! Bugger 'em, they can listen to in on December 7th, 8:30pm, Radio National, likethe 65.000 others. This email is virtually a PS to my last post about being exploited. So, YESS! get up, stand up, stand for your rights! You created something beautiful; you have a right to be paid for it. Aviva - Original Message - From: Vicki Chan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; 'ozmidwifery' Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:53 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] flyer Liz...What is this about? This image and the original poster iscopyright of Nic and myself... Sorry, but you cannot use it. Pleaseeveryone, do not print out this poster. If you want to see or obtain theoriginal, please go to the Capers websitehttp://www.capersbookstore.com.au/scripts/shop_item.asp?by=cdeitem=ms0530...Vicki-Original Message-From: elizabeth mcalpine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 5:46 PMTo: ozmidwifery; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [birthnews] Fw: flyerlisters, From Liz McAlpine Safe to open.Here is a draft for you to look at. It is in Adobe PDF format whichmeans you should be able to print it out at your end okay. Let me knowif you have trouble opening the file. Feel free to make comments andrecommedations on how the flyer could be improved.--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] BRUSHING TEETH
Jolly good, Andrea! Two dentists I know said that no child under the age of nine has the co-ordination to be able to brush teeth effectively, and that yes, first let them do it themselves, them you do it. Explaining how important teeth are can never happen too young. Aviva - Original Message - From: Andrea Quanchi To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] BRUSHING TEETH Lynn, I think it is more establishing the pattern of teeth brushing that is important at this stage. I would avoid using very much toothpaste at all as she is swallowing it rather than spitting it out. Put a token amount on the brush( because she will want it because you do) and then give her the brush to use (chew) and then she needs to let you have a turn. If it stays light and fun then she will become more co operative as it becomes ho hum. Just making it part of the morning and bedtime routine is what is important. Then when the molars arrive she will be ready to let you have a good go at them.Andrea Quanchi--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Greens Rally in Melbourne
Hi! It's Sarah here again. I'm sorry but my husband has justed vetoed the trip tomorrow due to another expense later in the week!! Really disappointed as I would have loved to have gone. I'm s sorry! Hope you get lots of support tomorrow. Love from Sarah _ Get YOUR Free Email Much Much More at Mumsweb! http://www.mumsweb.com _ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get [EMAIL PROTECTED] w/No Ads, 6MB, POP more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] PARKING- Rally Venue Melbourne Wed Nov 13
Parking on the street usually isn't too bad in Richmond I don't think Lennox St. is a commercial area. Looks like it's pretty close to Nth Richmond train station on the Epping Hurstbridge lines trams 23, 24, 42, 109 along Victoria St (though double check because I'm looking an old Melways edition). See you all there! Jen -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Looking for images
Title: Looking for images Does anyone know where I can get hold (online) of some nice clear graphics that relate to mothers and midwives working together? I want to do some work on a simulation/game for my students and need to get some pictures (photographs and/or graphics) to work with. Penny B.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Looking for images
Title: Looking for images Dear Penny I have some professional promotional photographs taken of woman and the midwives in the practice I work in. If interested email me direct. Cheers Jane Palmer Pregnancy, Birth and Beyond Caring, Professional Midwifery Services Sydney Visit http://www.pregnancy.com.au -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dr Penelope A BarrettSent: Tuesday, 12 November 2002 11:59 AMTo: OzmidwiferySubject: [ozmidwifery] Looking for imagesDoes anyone know where I can get hold (online) of some nice clear graphics that relate to mothers and midwives working together? I want to do some work on a simulation/game for my students and need to get some pictures (photographs and/or graphics) to work with.Penny B.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Looking for images
You could try webshots at www.webshots.comit has all sorts of photos on it and may have what you are looking for. You can download images or click the RH mouse button over the images to copy them. Debby From: Dr Penelope A Barrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ozmidwifery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [ozmidwifery] Looking for images Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:59:29 +1100 Does anyone know where I can get hold (online) of some nice clear graphics that relate to mothers and midwives working together? I want to do some work on a simulation/game for my students and need to get some pictures (photographs and/or graphics) to work with. Penny B. Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] ARM and crotchet hooks
Yesterday my lovely Mum was teaching me how to crotchet and it got me thinking about artificial rupturing of membranes. I thought it appropriate that before any practitioner was let loose on a woman to perform this procedure, they had to first make a baby rug or something and master the crotchet hook. What do you think? hehehe Megan. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] ARM and crotchet hooks
and perhaps be proficient at vacuuming an entire house (unprompted, of course!) before touching a Ventouse!!! Love it! Tania - Original Message - From: Larry Megan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 2:53 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] ARM and crotchet hooks Yesterday my lovely Mum was teaching me how to crotchet and it got me thinking about artificial rupturing of membranes. I thought it appropriate that before any practitioner was let loose on a woman to perform this procedure, they had to first make a baby rug or something and master the crotchet hook. What do you think? hehehe Megan. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] hurtful birth experiences
Hi Melissa, Thanks for this message.Your words will continue to keep me open to listening to more tales of hurt while I also learn how to better advocate for women I'm supporting. What I find really hard to know how to respond to is when women themselves say 'I've got the baby - that's what matters' while they are very obviously traumatised and clamp down on the birth topic. Some gentle comment, but one which indicates that a well baby is NOT the only desirable result of a birth and an offer to listen down the track seems all I can do. And this hurts me too! On this note, I have a friend who had a 'bad' birth in 1961. She had another baby in 1969 but didn't get any pregnancy care until she was 7 1/2 months pregnant because she was so much in denial about it and fearful of the birth. She took herself to a woman GP who had had 8 children herself at that time and helped her ease her panic with a breathing technique. Well my friend swears by 'the breathing'. Her story is that her waters broke, she began contracting and she stayed well away from the hospital - walking through Lane Cove parkland, visiting friends around and about and then when they did get to the hospital, at her husband's begging, she refused to go in until she felt sure the baby was about to be born. She staggered in, the midwife took one look at her, ushered her into a room where the baby was born immediately, the birth missed by the father who was getting into his required hospital garb. Back then the midwives were congratulating her , saying, 'well done, we saw ! ! you out there on the grass, we knew what you were doing'. Margie At Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:52:43 +0800, rem melissa bruijn ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: MArgie - just wanted to say THANK YOU for these words. The biggest thing I am finding for anyone who has been traumatised by their birth experience is GETTING VALIDATION. Everytime someone says It is not ok, as you have, it lets us hear that our pain is valid. We usually hear but you're fine and the baby is fine whenever we mention our difficulties to others. Hearing It is not ok also gives us permission to grieve, for it admits that there IS another way that IS ok...and we have missed out on it. It is important to acknowledge this. And the way you wrote about having had the honour of supporting traumatised women on their new journey...that just fills me with hope, and gratitude that there are people like you out there. Thank you, Melissa -- From: Margie Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] hurtful birth experiences Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 4:21 PM My heart goes out to everyone who is sharing or has had soul and body hurting births. It is not ok. And must change. I have had the honour of supporting a number of women who have previously been traumatised by caesareans (or other things) and it is something so special to be part of their new journey. love and the greatest respect to you all. Margie At Thu, 7 Nov 2002 17:39:56 +1100 (AUS Eastern Daylight Time), Rhonda ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I suggest tjhat you allow her to be angry and to vent her pain and her anger towards those who caused it. Support her in complaining to the hospital and insisting upon answers as lame as they may be. If she were to ask why was the induction needed? Was the baby in distress (at the time of the first insertion of gel - a horrible substance called prostin made from Pig seamen. Lovely!) Was her placenta failing? What was the indication that at 10 days over she needed to be induced anyway? Then once they have wormed out of that she should ask for explanations as to why all of the intervention and what caused it and why was it all needed. Give her lots of love and support to do this as nothing will change and it will keep happening unless women are encouraged to complain and conplain and complain! Even if she personally gets little satisfaction fron the complaint it is just one more brick to add - eventually we will built a wall to protect women from this - brick by brick. You need to complain first to the registra at the hospital but at the same time go directly to the medical practitioners board and make sure it outlines that the initial induction was not called for and the following intervention could have been avoided. Also any poor bedside manner should be outlines clearly if they were rude to her which it seems they were not supportive and gentle from your description. I wish her love and luck in her recovery - if she needs someone to talk to you are welcome to give her my email. The problem is this happens every day and it is not looked at as torture or as something that needs to be changed. The only way it will be seen as a problem is if they are inundated with
