Re: [ozmidwifery] Information please
Janet The immunisation certificate is one run by the Health Dept of WA . From memory it was run over one or two day's and covers you to give all childhood immunisations. If you are currently in WA contact the HDWA or contact Public /Population Health in the region you plan to work in for details of courses. Regards Jane - Original Message - From: Janet Caulfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 1:09 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Information please Dear List, I am applying for a job in rural WA and wish to know how to obtain an immunization certificate.Is it a course ? If so what does it entail? Hoping someone can answer me:) Yours in Midwifery Janet -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sun baths
I haven't heard this theory before, Denise, but
have to put on this post that I have noticed, as have homebirth colleagues of
mine, that there is a very low incidence of jaundice in infants born at home.
Between us we think the rare use of oxytocics, any medications in labour, early
and frequent feeding - there's probably more. Any other homebirth midwives want
to comment on this?
- Original Message -
From:
Denise Hynd
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 5:24 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sun
baths
Dear mary
Your comment
I also wonder if we haven't been seduced into being a bit paranoid about
jaundice?
Reminded me of hearing at a breastfeeding confernece here a few years ago
of preliminary studies being done in the States (USA) by (?) Prof G (?)
which was exploring the benefits of levels jaundice as it is physiological to
a degree and there is a theory that this may be of benefit to the developing
immune systems and many babies who have some physiological jaundice have lower
rates of infections in infancy and childhood.
Does any one else heard of this
theory??Denise
- Original Message -
From:
Mary
Murphy
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 4:11
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sun
baths
Thanks for that information Lois, My understanding was that we needed
620 NM of light waves for effectiveness. Johnson says " exposing the
baby's skin to sunlight".. does this mean direct through the glass or
indirect through the glass or direct sunshine or indirect near the
window?As you say, it is very difficult to quantify the number of
nanometers in the various seasons in Australia. I also wonder if we
haven't been seduced into being a bit paranoid about jaundice? What is
the range of nanometers of the bililights that are currently used for
treatment? When I was researching it for my research proposal, the
research seemed to be going away from the causes of jaundice and the simple
solutions, into the area of drug control of SBRs. That area
doesn't seem to have taken off and I wonder what the latest research
says? MM
- Original Message -
From:
Lois
Wattis
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 12:56
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sun
baths
Hi again - interesting to get info related to the
northern hemisphere.. (thanks Debbie and Marilyn), compared to
Australia.
Irevisited my text books before
posting my bit on ozmid about natural light for treating physiological
jaundice - just to check my facts. The use of natural light this way
ismentioned in PGB. Johnston's book "The Newborn Child" (my text
from my mid studies) pp181,and 187. Johnson states "exposing the
baby's skin to sunlight effectively reduces the bilirubin level but
is impractical for treatment in the UK."
Regarding the specific lighting requirement -
"exposing the skin to blue light of wavelength 400-500 nmand in an
intensity of 4-10 microwatts/cm2 converts the bilirubin in the
superficialcapillaries to harmless water soluble metabolites which
are then excreted in the urine and bowel". I don't know how to
quantify/measure the nm's of natural daylight in various states or seasons
in Australia, however I don'tthink it's necessary. The value
of exposure to INDIRECT'white' daylight in a well lit room
toconvert unconjugatedbilirubin into conjugated water soluble
bilirubin for excretion is well documented. Exposure of the head and
shoulders, maybe chest in atemperature-controlled
environmentis usually sufficient to stimulate the process, in
combination with frequent feeding.
Home and hospital rooms vary in how much light
they get, but often it's only a matter of rearranging where the baby is
located in the room which makes the difference. I'm sure there are
hospital midwives out there who encourage women to put their baby's cot on
the opposite side of the bed just to take advantage of the natural light
in the room to minimise or treat physiological jaundice the natural way,
just as I did when I worked in the hospitals. Attention to
this type ofearlytreatmentwill savemany babies
fromthe heel pricks forSBR collections ('just to check'), and
possibly from separation and Mothers' associated anxiety, interuptions to
feedings and so onrelated toartificial
phototherapy. Just my two bob's worth! Cheers,
Lois
- Original Message -
From:
Debbie Slater
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 2:37
PM
[ozmidwifery] NSW Union election update: Elaine Keenan Paul Rasmussen Sacked fromthe NSWNA
Title: Elaine Keenan & Paul Rasmussen Sacked from the NSWNA Hello all, I have forwarded thisinformationon to those of you who are interested in NSW issues. These issues affect NSW midwives as well as NSW nurses. I care deeply about social justice, freedom of speech and the right to compete.It would appearthese principles arethreatened in our union. I found Paul and Elaine ethical, dynamic and concerned about working conditions for both nurses and midwives. They have both been organisers for the union for a number of years (about nine?) I would have thought their commitment,clarityand obvious loyalty to the NSWNA and our professions would have been qualities to beharnessed for the good of ourtwin professions future - diverse voices are to be embraced - we can all learn from those who seek change to the status quo. I have written to Brett Holmes seeking clarity and to register my concern. In solidarity, Carolyn Hastie Elaine Keenan Paul Rasmussen Sacked from the NSWNAPlease read this email support a campaign for democracyDear ColleaguesThe election is over and the Brett Holmes Team won. The Realnurses Team offers its congratulations and wishes them well in delivering improvements for all nurses.The realnurses team and our policies offered nurses choice in the recent elections. Our campaign has had many positive outcome for all members, and these included: Getting Nurses workloads on the agenda. The workload case was only launched by the after the Realnurses team launched their policy Getting the issue of NSWNA independence openly debated Forcing the issue of members right to vote on pay offers Giving members real choice. Members had the choice of three teams including 48 candidates for councilWe would like to thank you for all your support and bring you up to date with the events that have followed.The count took place on June 17. The Realnurses Team phoned The Holmes Team at 4pm and congratulated them on their win.On June 18 Elaine Keenan and Paul Rasmussen were notified that they would not be required to attend work the next day.On June 19 they were sent a letter by courier informing them that they were suspended and that NSWNA staff had been advised to block their entry to the NSWNA building.On June 24 Council of the NSWNA was called to a extra-ordinary meeting at midday. Coral Levett, the President of the NSWNA, refused both Elaine and Pauls request to address council, and also denied them representation at the council meeting.On June 24 Elaine and Paul received letters by courier that they had been terminated (Sacked) and that they would be given thirty minutes to remove personal belongings from their desks. The reason for the sacking was given as breakdown of the working relationship. Evidence supporting this argument was not provided. The letter did not mention any representation or referral for legal advice despite the fact that both Elaine and Paul have been members of the NSWNA for many years.Never before have officers of the NSWNA been sacked for offering democratic choice. Elaine and Paul have always been committed to an Association that is open to all views, ideas and debate.Of particular concern is the swift and ruthless application of the sacking following the election, the refusal of the NSWNA to afford Elaine and Paul procedural fairness including preventing Elaine and Paul from addressing council or being represented.Despite many years of NSWNA membership Elaine and Paul have not received any NSWNA representation except for the offer of $500.00 each toward legal advice. This is woefully inadequate. It is Elaine and Pauls intention to seek a legal remedy and this will require substantial resources. We believe that the democracy of the NSWNA is severely threatened by these sackings. This action has sent a clear message to officers of the NSWNA and members that opposition, debate or new ideas will not be tolerated.We also believe that there has been a complete breach of procedural fairness. How will the NSWNA be viewed by employers and the community if its actions and treatment of its own employees is so appalling?We call on all nurses to protest this action and demand democracy. In a climate of reduction of democracy in the workplace, we now have a reduction of democracy in our union. We need to demand a more effective and responsive democracy and call on our leader to account for these decision to all members. We need to enfranchise diversity and participation in democracy at every level.You can help by doing all or any of the following actions: Forward this email on to other nurses Email Brett Holmes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please send a copy to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Put resolutions to your Branch expressing your concerns at Brett's actions If you are attending annual conference, tell Brett personally what you think and /or engage in debate
RE: [ozmidwifery] Sun baths
Hi folks, have to wade in on this one :-) Certainly much much less overt physiological jaundice in my private practice. One theory/explanation about bilirubin in newbornsthatI've come across is that bilirubin is an antioxident and mops up all the free radicals liberated by the birthing process and if you do bilirubin levels on all babies, all of them have some. Overt physiological jaundice and deepening of same is very much to do with inadequate attachment/poor colostrum transfer and with homebirth/private practicemother/baby dyads, early B/F with excellent attachment is the norm as the mothers are very well prepared for the realities of what to do and how it worksbabies guts are well stimulated, meconium is passed easily and early; the entire range of normal physiological processes and cellular interactions with feeding are optimally initiated and maintained. Women understand normal newborn behaviour/feeding patterns and feed their babies to rhythm rather that reading their babies signals as unsettled or troublesome those first few nights. All of which allows babies to adapt to extrauterine life and its demands in the optimal way. Note: I'm not talking here about those factors such as blood incompatibilies, bruising, prematurity, infectionetc etc that impact upon the neonates physiology. I'm talking about healthy term newborn babies. As far as over reacting to physiological jaundice - kernicterus is a worry with sick and premature babies - the blood brain barrier is not robust in these infants. For full term, healthy babies, there is greater tolerance - less need to do those heel prick levels when the baby is active, alert and feeding and the baby is slightly jaundiced- my criteria is thewhites of eyes being yellow(and there are shades of that aren't there?) - and the levels are always lower than one thinks they would be. My criteria of light bath is being near an open window, not sun and kept warm, out of breeze. On home maternity visiting runs, making sure from day0the infant is getting excellent/optimal transfer of milk/colostrum helps avoid much of these concerns. Can anyone tell me what makes the UV from "lights" ok for babies skin health? warmly, Carolyn Hastie -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Lynne StaffSent: Sunday, 13 July 2003 8:13 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sun baths I haven't heard this theory before, Denise, but have to put on this post that I have noticed, as have homebirth colleagues of mine, that there is a very low incidence of jaundice in infants born at home. Between us we think the rare use of oxytocics, any medications in labour, early and frequent feeding - there's probably more. Any other homebirth midwives want to comment on this? - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 5:24 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sun baths Dear mary Your comment I also wonder if we haven't been seduced into being a bit paranoid about jaundice? Reminded me of hearing at a breastfeeding confernece here a few years ago of preliminary studies being done in the States (USA) by (?) Prof G (?) which was exploring the benefits of levels jaundice as it is physiological to a degree and there is a theory that this may be of benefit to the developing immune systems and many babies who have some physiological jaundice have lower rates of infections in infancy and childhood. Does any one else heard of this theory??Denise - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 4:11 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sun baths Thanks for that information Lois, My understanding was that we needed 620 NM of light waves for effectiveness. Johnson says " exposing the baby's skin to sunlight".. does this mean direct through the glass or indirect through the glass or direct sunshine or indirect near the window?As you say, it is very difficult to quantify the number of nanometers in the various seasons in Australia. I also wonder if we haven't been seduced into being a bit paranoid about jaundice? What is the range of nanometers of the bililights that are currently used for treatment? When I was researching it for my research proposal, the research seemed to be going away from the causes of jaundice and the simple solutions, into the area of drug control of SBRs. That area doesn't seem to have taken off and I wonder what the latest research says? MM - Original Message - From: Lois Wattis To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ozmidwifery] Information please
Dear Jane, Thanks for your prompt reply...not currently in WA ..In Vic ...but at least would be able tosay that i am willing to obtain my immunization certificate after i arrived. Thanks again. Janet -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Lieves story
Love to you Lieve and to Lars family - how heatwrenching to be given this hope and have it snatched away again. Pinky - Original Message - From: Rhonda To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 1:05 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lieves story I have heard from Lieve and I am sure she will not mind me replying on her behalf. She has been very busy. Lars passed away after an operation at another hospital that had a 75% chance of a possitive outcome. It was very traumatic and confusing for his parents who were given some hope from this second opinion. The first hospital had predicted that Lars would quietly slip into a coma and die peacefully and the second hospital said it would be much more difficult for him if he remained untreated. There was an operation they could do which had a 75 % chance of a normal life. They said that they had never seen a baby with his condition do so well and breast feed and thrive - he was about 6 weeks of age. The parents spoke to parents were given contacts for other parents who had babied who had survived the operation and decided to go ahead with it. It went well but then a few days latter they said that he was failing and would not survive without the life support system. Then the parents had to decide to turn it off - Lars went peacefully in his mothers arms. They returned him home and packed him in ice in his cot and had a few days to say goodbye and have visitors over. I do hope lieve that i have relayed the story well for you. I do hope that Nele is doing well and kept the amazing strength that she had throughout this ordeal. Regards Rhonda. ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, July 10, 2003 23:58:49 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lieves story I was wondering too. marilyn - Original Message - From: Sheena Johnson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 3:45 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Lieves story Was wondering if anyone had heard from Lieve and what has happened with Nele and Lars, have I missed a posting? Regards Sheena Johnson IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here image/gif
Re: [ozmidwifery] whats happening ?
dear Jan 3 post partum haemorrhages in 6 weeks, 2 were transferred to hospital - I am exhausted, and due for a holiday much love trudie Trudie de Keijzer phone 02 47572337 mobile 0438 572337 http://www.homebirthservices.com.au 52a Fletcher street Wentworth Falls NSW 2782 Australia -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Looking for midwives from Redlands
Hi all A quick request - am looking to chat to midwives from Redlands Hospital Q. Feel free to email me off list on [EMAIL PROTECTED] regards lisa -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] ACMI Appointment
Hi Julie, My Diary is working for me... have another try! Cheers Andrea At 06:40 PM 12/07/2003, Julie Clarke wrote: Hi Andrea Excellent news Tried reading your diary but not available hug Julie Clarke Childbirth and Parenting Educator Transition into Parenthood 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224. T. (02) 9544 6441 Mobile 0401 2655 30 - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] ACMI Appointment
the address is slightly wrong. Take the 'so' off the end of the 'html' sequence. Andrea must have been so excited her fingers moved too fast. :-) Robin - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 8:12 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] ACMI Appointment Hi Julie, My Diary is working for me... have another try! Cheers Andrea At 06:40 PM 12/07/2003, Julie Clarke wrote: Hi Andrea Excellent news Tried reading your diary but not available hug Julie Clarke Childbirth and Parenting Educator Transition into Parenthood 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224. T. (02) 9544 6441 Mobile 0401 2655 30 - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] ACMI Appointment
Hi Andrea I successfully visited your diary this time and read about Barb Vernon - wonderful news - for mothers and midwives in the future. We had another South Eastern Sydney Maternity Coalition meeting here on Saturday night and welcomed another 4 new people who have now joined MC. More in the diary - minifisms, maxifisms, and informed consent - good to see these on the agenda again. Would urge all to discuss the integrity of these terms. Hug Julie Julie Clarke Childbirth and Parenting Educator Transition into Parenthood 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224. T. (02) 9544 6441 Mobile 0401 2655 30 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrea Robertson Sent: Monday, 14 July 2003 8:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] ACMI Appointment Hi Julie, My Diary is working for me... have another try! Cheers Andrea At 06:40 PM 12/07/2003, Julie Clarke wrote: Hi Andrea Excellent news Tried reading your diary but not available hug Julie Clarke Childbirth and Parenting Educator Transition into Parenthood 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224. T. (02) 9544 6441 Mobile 0401 2655 30 - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sun baths
Dear Carolyn That is the underlying physiology of the theory I hav heard that there is a safe and even beneficial level of jaundice as bilirubin is an antioxidant Thank you for that Denise - Original Message - From: Heartlogic To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 4:01 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sun baths Hi folks, have to wade in on this one :-) Certainly much much less overt physiological jaundice in my private practice. One theory/explanation about bilirubin in newbornsthatI've come across is that bilirubin is an antioxident and mops up all the free radicals liberated by the birthing process and if you do bilirubin levels on all babies, all of them have some. Overt physiological jaundice and deepening of same is very much to do with inadequate attachment/poor colostrum transfer and with homebirth/private practicemother/baby dyads, early B/F with excellent attachment is the norm as the mothers are very well prepared for the realities of what to do and how it worksbabies guts are well stimulated, meconium is passed easily and early; the entire range of normal physiological processes and cellular interactions with feeding are optimally initiated and maintained. Women understand normal newborn behaviour/feeding patterns and feed their babies to rhythm rather that reading their babies signals as unsettled or troublesome those first few nights. All of which allows babies to adapt to extrauterine life and its demands in the optimal way. Note: I'm not talking here about those factors such as blood incompatibilies, bruising, prematurity, infectionetc etc that impact upon the neonates physiology. I'm talking about healthy term newborn babies. As far as over reacting to physiological jaundice - kernicterus is a worry with sick and premature babies - the blood brain barrier is not robust in these infants. For full term, healthy babies, there is greater tolerance - less need to do those heel prick levels when the baby is active, alert and feeding and the baby is slightly jaundiced- my criteria is thewhites of eyes being yellow(and there are shades of that aren't there?) - and the levels are always lower than one thinks they would be. My criteria of light bath is being near an open window, not sun and kept warm, out of breeze. On home maternity visiting runs, making sure from day0the infant is getting excellent/optimal transfer of milk/colostrum helps avoid much of these concerns. Can anyone tell me what makes the UV from "lights" ok for babies skin health? warmly, Carolyn Hastie -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Lynne StaffSent: Sunday, 13 July 2003 8:13 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sun baths I haven't heard this theory before, Denise, but have to put on this post that I have noticed, as have homebirth colleagues of mine, that there is a very low incidence of jaundice in infants born at home. Between us we think the rare use of oxytocics, any medications in labour, early and frequent feeding - there's probably more. Any other homebirth midwives want to comment on this? - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 5:24 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sun baths Dear mary Your comment I also wonder if we haven't been seduced into being a bit paranoid about jaundice? Reminded me of hearing at a breastfeeding confernece here a few years ago of preliminary studies being done in the States (USA) by (?) Prof G (?) which was exploring the benefits of levels jaundice as it is physiological to a degree and there is a theory that this may be of benefit to the developing immune systems and many babies who have some physiological jaundice have lower rates of infections in infancy and childhood. Does any one else heard of this theory??Denise - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 4:11 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sun baths Thanks for that information Lois, My understanding was that we needed 620 NM of light waves for effectiveness. Johnson says " exposing the baby's skin to sunlight".. does this mean direct through the glass or indirect through the glass or direct sunshine or indirect near the window?As you say, it is very difficult to quantify the number of nanometers in the various seasons in Australia. I also wonder if we haven't been seduced
Re: [ozmidwifery] what's happening ?
Dear Julie I agree with what you say and do not see it as any reflection on any midwife because even when you are 1-1 no one person can be all things to every woman. Additionally we need also to accept that sometimes the path of the birth is what is needed for that woman or, and others, seemingly negative outcomes can be positive parts of life's journey Denise - Original Message - From: Julie Clarke To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 5:50 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] what's happening ? I wholeheartedly agree with you Denise the antenatal care the woman receives makes a world of difference. The women in my preparation sessions who are booked into birth centres or are having other good quality midwifery care are the most positive and empowered, unlike those with OBs or GP shared care or general ante-natal clinic (cattle mustering yard as one partner in class described it once). When women feel processed by the system it can be very frightening and damaging to them, it is sooo disempowering! Those that are experiencing supportive, trusting, genuine care (and there is a number of midwives in the system providing this), are the ones who are more confident in their own ability to give birth. The language the carer uses, the attitude they convey, the reactions they give all have a very significant effect not just on how the woman feels during the pregnancy and the birth but how she experiences early motherhood. I feel the potential outcome is a very significant impact on the womans relationship with her baby. I think the splitting up of care, the different departments in a hospital the antenatal clinic, the delivery suite, the postnatal ward with different groups of midwives in each area is an unbelievably cruel style of care/processing to subject a woman to, any relationship of trust she has developed with any midwife is short lived. It is an interesting concept the broken current day style of care isnt it? It is very effective in preventing midwives from really being midwives and from mothers being empowered at a time when they most need it. It is the best way of preventing women from really being able to help other women. Although I am not qualified as a midwife many women and their partners will automatically turn to me for help and support because I have been the only bit of continuity in the system for them, as their educator in the hospital. I have had regular contact with them from about 25 weeks of pregnancy through to about 2 to 3 months post natally. I give them my home phone number and email address so they can contact me if they want to, and over a decade, this has rarely posed a problem. They feel they know me, they can trust me, and they know from my language, my attitude, and my behaviour towards them that I do understand and that I care about each of them and their babies. This is what they like, they need and they want. I am dedicated to supporting midwives and mothers, and am able to fill in many gaps that exit in the system. Even with complete continuity of care I think its healthy for women to have an educator/supporter/trainer/guide to assist them along the path to parenthood as long as that person has integrity and an attitude of genuine care, then they can be an excellent resource person for parents to be and new parents. Hug Julie Julie Clarke Childbirth and Parenting Educator Transition into Parenthood 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224. T. (02) 9544 6441 Mobile 0401 2655 30 -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Denise HyndSent: Monday, 14 July 2003 5:27 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] what's happening ? Judy Is there a lot differences between these 2 locations for example how ANC is approach positively or as birth is to be feared??Denise - Original Message - From: Judy Chapman To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 6:02 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] what's happening ? I think we all have bad runs. Since I have been at my new job primips have given me a hard time with a couple going on to CS. Had real good figures at the last place. Cheers Judy From: Ken Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] what's happening ? Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 08:26:35 +1000 Okay, so I'm not a home birth midwife, but I do believe in women's bodies and abilities. I also have had a run of unexpected outcomes. Just the other day I took over,
[ozmidwifery] National Register of ALL Independent Childbirth Educators (NICE)
Hi everyone Every now and then, I will be asked to refer someone to another Independent Educator somewhere in Australia and I am often unable to help simply because there does not seem to be a register of Independent Educators anywhere. So I thought lets do it lets pull the information together so that anytime I am asked I can readily refer. I am currently working on developing a list of all Independent Childbirth Educators in Australia and might look at getting it printed professionally J to make available for distribution. If you are an independent childbirth educator who would like to be added to the list then please send your details to me for inclusion. (On the other hand, if you know someone who would like to be on the list then please forward this email to them). Name: Address: Telephone: Facsimile: Mobile: Email: Details of Independent Childbirth Education Classes offered: The region of area you would describe as your catchment area and the hospitals in that catchment. I hope you can all help me Of course I will let you know when its complete and make it available to you. I will call this list: NICE 2003 - National Independent Childbirth Educators 2003. How funky is that, eh? hug Julie Clarke Childbirth and Parenting Educator Transition into Parenthood 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224. T. (02) 9544 6441 Fax: (02) 9544 9257 Mobile 0401 2655 30 Catchment: St George and Sutherland Shire Region in the South Eastern Sydney.
[ozmidwifery] SMH Good Weekend Article on Saturday Criticising Birth Plans
Hi everyone, I received this email from a lovely woman who came through my classes last year did others see this article too? Hug Julie Hi Julie, I was wondering whether you managed to see the article in this weekend's Good Weekend magazine in the Sydney Morning Herald. It's written by Mia Freedman about how (apparently) useless birth plans are, and basically goes on to ridicule any woman who has the intention of trying to have minimal intervention in labour. And I quote: Fastforward to the actual birth and $100 says she'll be swearing at said husband while screaming for an epidural. $200 says the CDs and the oil burner won't even make it out of the labour bag. But while birth plans are relatively harmless, I'm far less tolerant of the very vocal group of childbirth zealots who rail against pain relief and 'intervention'. Why aren't these women grateful for medical help? Epidurals don't appear to affect the baby physically. Whilst I wouldn't say that I'm a person who would get up on her soap box and push the natural birth method on everyone, I was really offended reading the article. I understand that it's meant to be a humorous piece of writing, but I think it actually has the effect of offending those who desire the most natural birth possible, yet will welcome medical assistance if required. I feel like writinga letter into the SMH expressing my disappointment with the article and pointing out a few misconceptions regarding epidurals, like they're totally risk-free to both mother and baby. If you haven't seen it, the SMH is still on sale, but if you don't get to see it and would like to see it, just let me know and I'll pop it around to you.
Re: [ozmidwifery] SMH Good Weekend Article on Saturday Criticising Birth Plans
Hi Julie, I saw it and it deserves a stack of letters, I didnt see it as "funny" -initially, I thought it might be but as I read on I began to feel really offended. Pinky - Original Message - From: Julie Clarke To: Ozmidwifery Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 2:34 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] SMH Good Weekend Article on Saturday Criticising Birth Plans Hi everyone, I received this email from a lovely woman who came through my classes last year did others see this article too? Hug Julie Hi Julie, I was wondering whether you managed to see the article in this weekend's Good Weekend magazine in the Sydney Morning Herald. It's written by Mia Freedman about how (apparently) useless birth plans are, and basically goes on to ridicule any woman who has the intention of trying to have minimal intervention in labour. And I quote: "Fastforward to the actual birth and $100 says she'll be swearing at said husband while screaming for an epidural. $200 says the CDs and the oil burner won't even make it out of the labour bag." "But while birth plans are relatively harmless, I'm far less tolerant of the very vocal group of childbirth zealots who rail against pain relief and 'intervention'. Why aren't these women grateful for medical help?" "Epidurals don't appear to affect the baby physically." Whilst I wouldn't say that I'm a person who would get up on her soap box and push the natural birth method on everyone, I was really offended reading the article. I understand that it's meant to be a humorous piece of writing, but I think it actually has the effect of offending those who desire the most natural birth possible, yet will welcome medical assistance if required. I feel like writinga letter into the SMH expressing my disappointment with the article and pointing out a few misconceptions regarding epidurals, like they're totally risk-free to both mother and baby. If you haven't seen it, the SMH is still on sale, but if you don't get to see it and would like to see it, just let me know and I'll pop it around to you.
[ozmidwifery] re midwifery antenatal care
Julie, I am after some references supporting that women gain from having antenatal care by midwives in conjunction with GP's along the lines of what you have said,thanks pete malavisi.
RE: [ozmidwifery] SMH Good Weekend Article on Saturday Criticising Birth Plans
does anyone have the good weekend email handy, I would love to start the bombardment of their mail box [Judy Giesaitis]
RE: [ozmidwifery] SMH Good Weekend Article on Saturday Criticising Birth Plans
Like Pinky, I too am getting more and more hot under the collar, Judy Giesaitis
[ozmidwifery] Ridiculous Story in the Good Weekend
Hi Below is my response to the SMH Good Weekend article hope they are inundated with lots of letters - SMH Letters [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can tell it pressed my buttons J Do you like my last point? Hug to all Julie -Original Message- From: Julie Clarke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 14 July 2003 3:34 PM To: SMH Letters Subject: Ridiculous Story in the Good Weekend Mia Freedman in her article criticising Birth Plans and Natural Birth reveals herself as a woman who had unrealistic expectations about labour and birth, an unpreparedness to understand and work with her body during labour, along with bizarre ideas about maintaining appearances (her hairdo) instead of embracing the use of a hot shower for pain relief. What a strangely old-fashioned aspect that was to her birth story. I had heard stories from some of my friends who were like Mia and it taught me that attitude was everything when it comes to birthing luckily, I was able to learn from their mistakes, made smart choices. With enough courage and determination had a natural birth in the squatting position with my first baby and then a homebirth waterbirth with my second baby, all the while cared for by wise and wonderful midwives. So Mia was spitting the dummy when her birth wasnt quick and easy, didnt go according to plan and rather than accepting the responsibility for her own behaviour, she is turning her anger on to others and blaming those who endorse natural birth. Well there is a little more to it than the superficial tone to your article Mia. Becoming pregnant is a very grown up thing to do, fortunately there is usually about 9 months to realise this. Many women approach it as a personal growth experience both physically and emotionally, they listen and learn from experienced mothers, read a wide variety of books, attend good quality birth and parenting preparation sessions, accept the responsibility for decision-making and choose wise options. Many couples recognise the time during the pregnancy when changes to lifestyle need to occur, they talk more about the future, they plan all sorts of things together (only one of these elements is a birth plan) and they will often discover a maturing of their relationship. They become closer and work more as a team together this is exactly what a baby needs from its mum and dad isnt it? Julie Clarke T. (02) 9544 6441
RE: [ozmidwifery] re midwifery antenatal care
Hi Pete Its my opinion that women are better off with pure midwifery care rather than watered down GP shared care. I cant give you any references I have based my opinion on the comments, thoughts and feelings of the women in my cbe sessions. Hug Julie Julie Clarke Childbirth and Parenting Educator Transition into Parenthood 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224. T. (02) 9544 6441 Mobile 0401 2655 30 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Malavisi, Pete Sent: Monday, 14 July 2003 2:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] re midwifery antenatal care Julie, I am after some references supporting that women gain from having antenatal care by midwives in conjunction with GP's along the lines of what you have said,thanks pete malavisi.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Ridiculous Story in the Good Weekend
great letter - yes I do love the last bit! Pinky - Original Message - From: Julie Clarke To: Ozmidwifery Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 3:40 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Ridiculous Story in the Good Weekend Hi Below is my response to the SMH Good Weekend article hope they are inundated with lots of letters - SMH Letters [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can tell it pressed my buttons J Do you like my last point? Hug to all Julie -Original Message-From: Julie Clarke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 14 July 2003 3:34 PMTo: SMH LettersSubject: Ridiculous Story in the Good Weekend Mia Freedman in her article criticising Birth Plans and Natural Birth reveals herself as a woman who had unrealistic expectations about labour and birth, an unpreparedness to understand and work with her body during labour, along with bizarre ideas about maintaining appearances (her hairdo) instead of embracing the use of a hot shower for pain relief. What a strangely old-fashioned aspect that was to her birth story. I had heard stories from some of my friends who were like Mia and it taught me that attitude was everything when it comes to birthing luckily, I was able to learn from their mistakes, made smart choices. With enough courage and determination had a natural birth in the squatting position with my first baby and then a homebirth waterbirth with my second baby, all the while cared for by wise and wonderful midwives. So Mia was spitting the dummy when her birth wasnt quick and easy, didnt go according to plan and rather than accepting the responsibility for her own behaviour, she is turning her anger on to others and blaming those who endorse natural birth. Well there is a little more to it than the superficial tone to your article Mia. Becoming pregnant is a very grown up thing to do, fortunately there is usually about 9 months to realise this. Many women approach it as a personal growth experience both physically and emotionally, they listen and learn from experienced mothers, read a wide variety of books, attend good quality birth and parenting preparation sessions, accept the responsibility for decision-making and choose wise options. Many couples recognise the time during the pregnancy when changes to lifestyle need to occur, they talk more about the future, they plan all sorts of things together (only one of these elements is a birth plan) and they will often discover a maturing of their relationship. They become closer and work more as a team together this is exactly what a baby needs from its mum and dad isnt it? Julie Clarke T. (02) 9544 6441
