RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: diabetes incipidus and breastfeeding
Title: RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: diabetes incipidus and breastfeeding Hi Barb, I seem to remember something in my ICU days, another life. Sheenans Syndrome- necrosis of the anterior piturity lobe usually due to severe haemorrage. APL secretes TSH, ACTH, gonadotrophins, growth hormone, prolactin, lipotrophin and MSH. The posterior lobe of the piturity secretes vasopressin and oxytocin I have just read my ICU text (pg 451- 457 Intensive Care Manual 4th ed by T.E. Oh) and I will quote parts DI = results from a lack of ADH anti-diuretic hormone ADH = a nonapeptide is synthesised in neurones of the hypothalmus. It has some structural and some functional similarities to oxytocin. Actions of ADH = antidiuresis, vasoconstriction, coagulation, affects learning, memory and water permeability of the brain. The enlarged piturity that occurs with pregnancy maybe more vulnerable to vasospasm. The first sign of DI maybe an inability to lactate. You can have a transient DI of pregnancy = vasopressin-resistant caused by excessive placental-generated vasopressinase that metabolises ADH. Associated with acute fatty liver and liver failure. From a hazy memory as I only saw about 3 women post partum in my near decade in a Tertiary ICU I cannot recall them being able to lactate in acute stage. I do know with proper management sniffing vasopressin and other hormones their condition improves or stabilises. With males I mainly saw them have transphenoidal resection of the pituitary. Very rare, thanks for the question as it made me look at my books. Cheers Barb -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Nicole Carver Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2006 5:09 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: diabetes incipidus and breastfeeding Hi Barb, I did do a quick search of the LRC site with no luck. However, I still think they are the best bet, as they will know 'who might know'! Kind regards, Nicole. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Barbara H Stokes Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 8:26 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: diabetes incipidus and breastfeeding Dear Lactational Consultants, Can anyone help with lactation establishment for Gravida 2 Para 1 coming in for induction tomorrow. Has diabetes incipidus, did not lactate last time, takes demopressin nasal sprays? Thankyou, Barbara Stokes, Parkes -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: diabetes incipidus and breastfeeding
Hi Jo, No I typed in diabetes insipidus and combined the search with breast feeding. All I could get was that breast feeding is protective against juvenile diabetes. I think it is a fairly rare condition. Regards, Nicole. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jo Bourne Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 6:32 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: diabetes incipidus and breastfeeding Could it be that not results came up because of a typo? I googled the condtion and it is apparently spelt with an S not C. Most search engines fail to warn you of typos the way that google does... At 6:09 PM +1100 21/2/06, Nicole Carver wrote: Hi Barb, I did do a quick search of the LRC site with no luck. However, I still think they are the best bet, as they will know 'who might know'! Kind regards, Nicole. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Barbara H Stokes Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 8:26 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: diabetes incipidus and breastfeeding Dear Lactational Consultants, Can anyone help with lactation establishment for Gravida 2 Para 1 coming in for induction tomorrow. Has diabetes incipidus, did not lactate last time, takes demopressin nasal sprays? Thankyou, Barbara Stokes, Parkes -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- Jo Bourne Virtual Artists Pty Ltd -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Online meeting places for Australian Doulas / Birth Attendants
I'm already a member of Australian Doulas, Kelley, but rarely get anything other than pharmaceutical ads from the mailing list. It would be good to see it used more enthusiastically! - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 6:58 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Online meeting places for Australian Doulas / Birth Attendants Hey all, I hope this post is appropriate! I love reading your discussions, however I do feel out of place not being a midwife and am keen to discuss some issues which I dont think will be of interest to some of you, like the ones over the last few days!!! Just wanted to send out an email to let everyone know about the Australian Doulas email list, as I know there are some doulas and birth attendants amongst us. I love chatting with other Doulas / Birth Attendants but there doesnt seem to be something busy enough about the place. If you know any doulas or birth attendants or are one yourself, you can join the Australian Doulas mailing list at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Australian-doulas/ - hopefully we can get some serious conversations going, rather than one email every six months or so! Come on guys, lets get together and chat about birth!!! Please join and introduce yourselves. Please feel free to pass on and circulate to others I didnt start Australian Doulas at all; I am just a Birth Attendant dying to have a place on the web to chat to other doulas and birth attendants. I am also going to start a section in my forums for us to chat, women to ask us questions etc so keep an eye on www.bellybelly.com.au/forums and I will set it up this evening down the bottom of the forums be sure to be registered and get chatting please I feel all alone here!!! Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support
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[ozmidwifery] I told you so!
http://www.thecowgoddess.com/archshow.asp?var=214 Someone: Well, I remember what you told me, Have a homebirth but I was too scared So I had a hospital birth anyway. Im really glad because if I hadnt been at the hospital my baby wouldnt have survived. Hathor the Cowgoddess: Oh? Howd it go? Someone: They had to induce me two weeks early. They were worried about stuff. I ended up needing an epidural and my labor just stopped! So I had a c-section Im just so grateful that my baby was okay. You know the weird part? The baby was fine, weight: fine, fluid: fine. I dont know why they wanted to induce in the first place. Hathor the Cowgoddess: Gulp. Remind me again, what was your due date? Someone: Thanksgiving. Why? Hathor the Cowgoddess: Um No reason.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: diabetes incipidus and breastfeeding
Just checking because of the typo in the subject line :-). DId you try looking a the Diabetes insipidus foundation website? They have a form you can fill out to ask a question about DI. http://www.diabetesinsipidus.org/ Also I couldn't access all of this article but it looks interesting: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrievedb=PubMedlist_uids=8489722dopt=Abstract cheers Jo At 7:52 PM +1100 21/2/06, Nicole Carver wrote: Hi Jo, No I typed in diabetes insipidus and combined the search with breast feeding. All I could get was that breast feeding is protective against juvenile diabetes. I think it is a fairly rare condition. Regards, Nicole. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jo Bourne Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 6:32 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: diabetes incipidus and breastfeeding Could it be that not results came up because of a typo? I googled the condtion and it is apparently spelt with an S not C. Most search engines fail to warn you of typos the way that google does... At 6:09 PM +1100 21/2/06, Nicole Carver wrote: Hi Barb, I did do a quick search of the LRC site with no luck. However, I still think they are the best bet, as they will know 'who might know'! Kind regards, Nicole. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Barbara H Stokes Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 8:26 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: diabetes incipidus and breastfeeding Dear Lactational Consultants, Can anyone help with lactation establishment for Gravida 2 Para 1 coming in for induction tomorrow. Has diabetes incipidus, did not lactate last time, takes demopressin nasal sprays? Thankyou, Barbara Stokes, Parkes -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- Jo Bourne Virtual Artists Pty Ltd -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- Jo Bourne Virtual Artists Pty Ltd -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] repair surgery and bf
Hi all, a woman with horrific injuries inflicted during a ventouse has been told she can't have repair surgery unless she weans her 4 month old and waits 3 months. Her labia was torn off on one side, right up to her clitoris and she can barely walk, is on strong pain killers and the only thing she *can* do is bf. Her life has been shattered by this so she really needs surgery. Thoughts, please? TIA, J Joyous Birth Home Birth Forum - a world first!http://www.joyousbirth.info/ Attending births is like growing roses. You have to marvel at the ones that just open up and bloom at the first kiss of the sun but you wouldn't dream of pulling open the petals of the tightly closed buds and forcing them to blossom to your time line. ~Gloria Lemay~
Re: [ozmidwifery] Online meeting places for Australian Doulas / Birth Attendants
Hi Kelly, Doula's downunder also has a forum just for doula's, i can find the link if you're interested. I think i'm a member of australian doula's, but last time i checked there were just adds about increasing one's penis size. I'll check it out again soon if there's more legitimate action there! cheers, Cate Kelly @ BellyBelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, I hope this post is appropriate! I love reading your discussions, however I do feel out of place not being a midwife and am keen to discuss some issues which I don't think will be of interest to some of you, like the ones over the last few days!!! Just wanted to send out an email to let everyone know about the Australian Doulas email list, as I know there are some doulas and birth attendants amongst us. I love chatting with other Doulas / Birth Attendants but there doesn't seem to be something busy enough about the place. If you know any doulas or birth attendants or are one yourself, you can join the Australian Doulas mailing list at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Australian-doulas/ - hopefully we can get some serious conversations going, rather than one email every six months or so! Come on guys, lets get together and chat about birth!!! Please join and introduce yourselves. Please feel free to pass on and circulate to others I didn't start Australian Doulas at all; I am just a Birth Attendant dying to have a place on the web to chat to other doulas and birth attendants. I am also going to start a section in my forums for us to chat, women to ask us questions etc. so keep an eye on www.bellybelly.com.au/forums and I will set it up this evening down the bottom of the forums - be sure to be registered and get chatting. please I feel all alone here!!! Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au/ BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth Parenthood http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support BellyBelly Birth Support -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Online meeting places for Australian Doulas / Birth Attendants
Title: Message Another doula here - well doula in training (I have finished all the theory, reading, childbrith calsses etc, have done one trainee birth with two to go due in March.) I joined up on the yahoo group :) Nicola -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly @ BellyBellySent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 6:58 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Online meeting places for Australian Doulas / Birth Attendants Hey all, I hope this post is appropriate! I love reading your discussions, however I do feel out of place not being a midwife and am keen to discuss some issues which I dont think will be of interest to some of you, like the ones over the last few days!!! Just wanted to send out an email to let everyone know about the Australian Doulas email list, as I know there are some doulas and birth attendants amongst us. I love chatting with other Doulas / Birth Attendants but there doesnt seem to be something busy enough about the place. If you know any doulas or birth attendants or are one yourself, you can join the Australian Doulas mailing list at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Australian-doulas/ - hopefully we can get some serious conversations going, rather than one email every six months or so! Come on guys, lets get together and chat about birth!!! Please join and introduce yourselves. Please feel free to pass on and circulate to others I didnt start Australian Doulas at all; I am just a Birth Attendant dying to have a place on the web to chat to other doulas and birth attendants. I am also going to start a section in my forums for us to chat, women to ask us questions etc so keep an eye on www.bellybelly.com.au/forums and I will set it up this evening down the bottom of the forums be sure to be registered and get chatting please I feel all alone here!!! Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support
RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: diabetes incipidus and breastfeeding
Hi All, I followed Jo's link: http://www.diabetesinsipidus.org/faqs4.htm Neither CDI nor dDAVP treatment have any known adverse effect on pregnancy or the fetus. The incidence of miscarriage or fetal malformations appears to be no greater than in women without CDI. A mother with CDI will not pass the disease to her children unless she (or the father) have one of the familial (genetic) forms. Depending on the extent of pituitary damage, some women may have difficulties with labor or nursing, but these problems usually can be managed quite easily by the obstetrician.(I wonder how?) There are several other questions answered on the website. Worth a look for those interested. Seems there are a few types of Diabetes Insipidus, and it can be inherited by boys, and carried by females, due to the mutation being on the x chromosome.I have only had a brief look so far. Regards, Nicole. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: diabetes incipidus and breastfeeding
Hi Jo, I'll have a look, I'm sure Barb will too. Thanks, Nicole. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jo Bourne Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 8:33 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: diabetes incipidus and breastfeeding Just checking because of the typo in the subject line :-). DId you try looking a the Diabetes insipidus foundation website? They have a form you can fill out to ask a question about DI. http://www.diabetesinsipidus.org/ Also I couldn't access all of this article but it looks interesting: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrievedb=PubMedlist_ui ds=8489722dopt=Abstract cheers Jo At 7:52 PM +1100 21/2/06, Nicole Carver wrote: Hi Jo, No I typed in diabetes insipidus and combined the search with breast feeding. All I could get was that breast feeding is protective against juvenile diabetes. I think it is a fairly rare condition. Regards, Nicole. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jo Bourne Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 6:32 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: diabetes incipidus and breastfeeding Could it be that not results came up because of a typo? I googled the condtion and it is apparently spelt with an S not C. Most search engines fail to warn you of typos the way that google does... At 6:09 PM +1100 21/2/06, Nicole Carver wrote: Hi Barb, I did do a quick search of the LRC site with no luck. However, I still think they are the best bet, as they will know 'who might know'! Kind regards, Nicole. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Barbara H Stokes Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 8:26 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: diabetes incipidus and breastfeeding Dear Lactational Consultants, Can anyone help with lactation establishment for Gravida 2 Para 1 coming in for induction tomorrow. Has diabetes incipidus, did not lactate last time, takes demopressin nasal sprays? Thankyou, Barbara Stokes, Parkes -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- Jo Bourne Virtual Artists Pty Ltd -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- Jo Bourne Virtual Artists Pty Ltd -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] repair surgery and bf
So is the reasoning behind weaning to return hormones to a normal state?It's quite puzzling. Medications shouldn't be a problem to the baby. Was the woman given any more info than you have shared here? I would be looking at all options, and seeking a second opinion, and a good rationale for their recommendations, as I imagine anyone would. However, she sounds like she is in a very vulnerable state. What a horrible thing to happen.I hope those responsible are funding her surgery. Nicole. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Janet FraserSent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 8:52 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] repair surgery and bf Hi all, a woman with horrific injuries inflicted during a ventouse has been told she can't have repair surgery unless she weans her 4 month old and waits 3 months. Her labia was torn off on one side, right up to her clitoris and she can barely walk, is on strong pain killers and the only thing she *can* do is bf. Her life has been shattered by this so she really needs surgery. Thoughts, please? TIA, J Joyous Birth Home Birth Forum - a world first!http://www.joyousbirth.info/ Attending births is like growing roses. You have to marvel at the ones that just open up and bloom at the first kiss of the sun but you wouldn't dream of pulling open the petals of the tightly closed buds and forcing them to blossom to your time line. ~Gloria Lemay~
RE: [ozmidwifery] repair surgery and bf
Maybe I am being daft but what effect do lactational hormones have on surgery? I would also suggest another opinion or 2 - perhaps to a plastic surgeon also. Maxine -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] repair surgery and bf
She's been told by several Obs that the lower oestrogen in her system mean her vagina won't heal. It sounds like a crock to me. I've seen bf blamed for most things wrong with babies and mothers but this was a new one to me. :( - Original Message - From: Maxine Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 10:15 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] repair surgery and bf Maybe I am being daft but what effect do lactational hormones have on surgery? I would also suggest another opinion or 2 - perhaps to a plastic surgeon also. Maxine -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] repair surgery and bf
I'd definitely go to a plastic surgeon... an ob does baby and mum stuff... this seems to me like something more cosmetic ( not saying it like she's only getting it done for looks!!) Jo On 21/02/2006, at 7:21 PM, Janet Fraser wrote: She's been told by several Obs that the lower oestrogen in her system mean her vagina won't heal. It sounds like a crock to me. I've seen bf blamed for most things wrong with babies and mothers but this was a new one to me. :( - Original Message - From: Maxine Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 10:15 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] repair surgery and bf Maybe I am being daft but what effect do lactational hormones have on surgery? I would also suggest another opinion or 2 - perhaps to a plastic surgeon also. Maxine -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] repair surgery and bf
How come episiotomies heal then? Are oestrogen levels then higher than later on? Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jo Watson Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 12:43 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] repair surgery and bf I'd definitely go to a plastic surgeon... an ob does baby and mum stuff... this seems to me like something more cosmetic ( not saying it like she's only getting it done for looks!!) Jo On 21/02/2006, at 7:21 PM, Janet Fraser wrote: She's been told by several Obs that the lower oestrogen in her system mean her vagina won't heal. It sounds like a crock to me. I've seen bf blamed for most things wrong with babies and mothers but this was a new one to me. :( - Original Message - From: Maxine Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 10:15 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] repair surgery and bf Maybe I am being daft but what effect do lactational hormones have on surgery? I would also suggest another opinion or 2 - perhaps to a plastic surgeon also. Maxine -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] repair surgery and bf
Dear Janet and all, Just sharing a friend's experience of surgery and b/feeding - no doubt just adds to the 'common sense' approach being articulated on the list. After baby no 3 (all born at home in the US) midwife notices a goitre and suggests again (as GP had missed it) to seek medical advice. Large tumour size of a golf ball found on thyroid. Had only 2 weeks prep time before having tumour removed and radiation therapy commenced soon after. During radiation she had to beisolated for 2 weeks in hosi followed by a further 1-2 weeks at a friend's holiday farm to recover and not be near her kids (radiation stuff). So at 10 weeks Baby A continued to bebreastfed as normal throughout whole hosi stay (surgery part) till radiation commenced. Her closest friends including sister-in-law who also had a newborn pumped like mad for the 2 .5 weeks prior to radiation starting (and kept going) and dad bottlefed bub the truck load of ebm until mum came home just under 4 weeks later. Baby A took to the breast like a hand to a glove and Baby No 4 also born at home in water 3 odd yrs later. Mum well - healed beutifully- no further probs ... thanks to her loving midwife, family and friends. Makes you wonder though why they do so many caesers if a woman can't heal cos she's breastfeeding...Might be good to write to this OB and thank them for giving us such a valuable piece of info for the 'campaign'..:) Sally-Anne xo - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 8:52 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] repair surgery and bf Hi all, a woman with horrific injuries inflicted during a ventouse has been told she can't have repair surgery unless she weans her 4 month old and waits 3 months. Her labia was torn off on one side, right up to her clitoris and she can barely walk, is on strong pain killers and the only thing she *can* do is bf. Her life has been shattered by this so she really needs surgery. Thoughts, please? TIA, J Joyous Birth Home Birth Forum - a world first!http://www.joyousbirth.info/ Attending births is like growing roses. You have to marvel at the ones that just open up and bloom at the first kiss of the sun but you wouldn't dream of pulling open the petals of the tightly closed buds and forcing them to blossom to your time line. ~Gloria Lemay~ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.12/265 - Release Date: 20/02/2006 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.12/265 - Release Date: 20/02/2006
[ozmidwifery] supplements during pregnancy
Hi, I lived in US, when expecting my first one and there it was always in the magazines, that all women planning pregnancy or pregnant shouldtake folic acid supplements. Here in Finland we don't really hear about folic acid. It is mainly the iron, that is suggested during pregnancy. Or multivitamins. Pharmaceutical companies are recommending all sorts of stuff, but what really are the important ones... What kind of supplements do you midwives recommend for your clients to take during pregnancy and breastfeeding? Päivi Independent Childbirth educator Finland
RE: [ozmidwifery] repair surgery and bf
Good on you Vedrana! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Vedrana Valčić Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 12:58 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] repair surgery and bf How come episiotomies heal then? Are oestrogen levels then higher than later on? Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jo Watson Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 12:43 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] repair surgery and bf I'd definitely go to a plastic surgeon... an ob does baby and mum stuff... this seems to me like something more cosmetic ( not saying it like she's only getting it done for looks!!) Jo On 21/02/2006, at 7:21 PM, Janet Fraser wrote: She's been told by several Obs that the lower oestrogen in her system mean her vagina won't heal. It sounds like a crock to me. I've seen bf blamed for most things wrong with babies and mothers but this was a new one to me. :( - Original Message - From: Maxine Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 10:15 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] repair surgery and bf Maybe I am being daft but what effect do lactational hormones have on surgery? I would also suggest another opinion or 2 - perhaps to a plastic surgeon also. Maxine -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] repair surgery and bf
Actually my understanding is that estrogen levels would be FAR higher at birth (and presumably soon after) than once breastfeeding is established. Certainly my own estrogen level was post menopausal during breastfeeding. That said surely post menopausal women have surgery too? At 2:57 PM +0100 21/2/06, Vedrana Valãiç wrote: How come episiotomies heal then? Are oestrogen levels then higher than later on? Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jo Watson Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 12:43 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] repair surgery and bf I'd definitely go to a plastic surgeon... an ob does baby and mum stuff... this seems to me like something more cosmetic ( not saying it like she's only getting it done for looks!!) Jo On 21/02/2006, at 7:21 PM, Janet Fraser wrote: She's been told by several Obs that the lower oestrogen in her system mean her vagina won't heal. It sounds like a crock to me. I've seen bf blamed for most things wrong with babies and mothers but this was a new one to me. :( - Original Message - From: Maxine Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 10:15 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] repair surgery and bf Maybe I am being daft but what effect do lactational hormones have on surgery? I would also suggest another opinion or 2 - perhaps to a plastic surgeon also. Maxine -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- Jo Bourne Virtual Artists Pty Ltd -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] supplements during pregnancy
Hi Paivi, Iron should only be taken by women who are anaemic, or you can see they are heading that way (ie Hb going down.) Of course these women need full investigation too, with iron studies and a medical examination and history. There has been some question that giving iron to women who don't need it can lead to blood which is more viscid, and reduces the blood flow through the placenta. Folic acid on the other hand, drastically reduces the incidence of neural tube defects such as spina bifida and anencephaly, with a possible side effect of a small increase in the possibility of having twins. Women who have a history of a previous baby with a neural tube defects are prescribed higher doses. Folic acid should be taken pre-conception and for the first fourteen weeks. I don't see the need for any other supplementation than folic acid, unless the woman has a demonstrated deficiency or they are strict vegans, in which case I believe supplementation with B12 is recommended. Regards, Nicole. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Päivi LaukkanenSent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 6:35 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] supplements during pregnancy Hi, I lived in US, when expecting my first one and there it was always in the magazines, that all women planning pregnancy or pregnant shouldtake folic acid supplements. Here in Finland we don't really hear about folic acid. It is mainly the iron, that is suggested during pregnancy. Or multivitamins. Pharmaceutical companies are recommending all sorts of stuff, but what really are the important ones... What kind of supplements do you midwives recommend for your clients to take during pregnancy and breastfeeding? Päivi Independent Childbirth educator Finland
Re: [ozmidwifery] supplements during pregnancy
Thank you for the information. Here in finland you can't get just folic acid on it's own. It always comes in a multivitamin or ironsupplement I guess. I would like to provide a reasonable product for Finnish women, so do you think, that I should seek for a plain folic acid product, and sell that in my store? Can you remember the daily recommendations for folic acid? Päivi - Original Message - From: Nicole Carver To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 11:00 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] supplements during pregnancy Hi Paivi, Iron should only be taken by women who are anaemic, or you can see they are heading that way (ie Hb going down.) Of course these women need full investigation too, with iron studies and a medical examination and history. There has been some question that giving iron to women who don't need it can lead to blood which is more viscid, and reduces the blood flow through the placenta. Folic acid on the other hand, drastically reduces the incidence of neural tube defects such as spina bifida and anencephaly, with a possible side effect of a small increase in the possibility of having twins. Women who have a history of a previous baby with a neural tube defects are prescribed higher doses. Folic acid should be taken pre-conception and for the first fourteen weeks. I don't see the need for any other supplementation than folic acid, unless the woman has a demonstrated deficiency or they are strict vegans, in which case I believe supplementation with B12 is recommended. Regards, Nicole. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Päivi LaukkanenSent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 6:35 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] supplements during pregnancy Hi, I lived in US, when expecting my first one and there it was always in the magazines, that all women planning pregnancy or pregnant shouldtake folic acid supplements. Here in Finland we don't really hear about folic acid. It is mainly the iron, that is suggested during pregnancy. Or multivitamins. Pharmaceutical companies are recommending all sorts of stuff, but what really are the important ones... What kind of supplements do you midwives recommend for your clients to take during pregnancy and breastfeeding? Päivi Independent Childbirth educator Finland
Re: [ozmidwifery] repair surgery and bf
Hi everyone My heart goes to this poor woman, it sounds like an horrific experience. Doesn't sound like the vacuum cup was on properly to cause such extenseive injuries. As for the oestrogen levels, where I work, women that have a 3rd degree tear are ordered Ovestin cream and recommended to apply to the area inside and out to assist in the healingI don't understand why this could not be an option for her, rather than weaning. Weaning sounds awfully drastic. I would suggest she seeks a 2nd and 3rd opinion first. It sounds like she could be clinging to the breastfeeding to try and have some normalcy to the eventhow cruel to take that away also. katrina On 21/02/2006, at 10:21 PM, Janet Fraser wrote: She's been told by several Obs that the lower oestrogen in her system mean her vagina won't heal. It sounds like a crock to me. I've seen bf blamed for most things wrong with babies and mothers but this was a new one to me. :( - Original Message - From: Maxine Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 10:15 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] repair surgery and bf Maybe I am being daft but what effect do lactational hormones have on surgery? I would also suggest another opinion or 2 - perhaps to a plastic surgeon also. Maxine -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] supplements during pregnancy
Hoi Païvi, What I read through the time about folic acid is that only women that took chemical anticonception for a long time need folic acid. They dont absorb it well and have low levels when they stop with the anticonception. So you can make a difference with women who didnt take anticonception for a while. I also read, but dont ask me where J that taking folic acide doesnt reduce the incidence of neural tube defects, but with normal levels a womens body works better, so also the natural selection, so the affected foetus is spontaneously aborted. So I stimulate women that took oral anticonception to wait a while before getting pregnant and to supplement with folic acid. If thay come on preconceptional consultation I do a blood test and test for folic acid an iron and never give supplements without reason. In the books of Michel Odent you also can find that a drop in hb level and iron after 28 weeks is very normal. It seems that women who dont have the drop are more at risk for premature delivery. So I never give supplementation of iron, except there is a real severe anaemia. You always have to keep in mind that also bacteries grow on iron. Around birth a woman is vulnarable to infections so it is normal for a body to protect itself by lowering the iron reserves. I recommend healthy food, walking and swimming and it works. Kind regards Lieve Lieve Huybrechts vroedvrouw 0477740853 -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Päivi Laukkanen Verzonden: dinsdag 21 februari 2006 22:39 Aan: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Onderwerp: Re: [ozmidwifery] supplements during pregnancy Thank you for the information. Here in finland you can't get just folic acid on it's own. It always comes in a multivitamin or ironsupplement I guess. I would like to provide a reasonable product for Finnish women, so do you think, that I should seek for a plain folic acid product, and sell that in my store? Can you remember the daily recommendations for folic acid? Päivi - Original Message - From: Nicole Carver To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 11:00 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] supplements during pregnancy Hi Paivi, Iron should only be taken by women who are anaemic, or you can see they are heading that way (ie Hb going down.) Of course these women need full investigation too, with iron studies and a medical examination and history. There has been some question that giving iron to women who don't need it can lead to blood which is more viscid, and reduces the blood flow through the placenta. Folic acid on the other hand, drastically reduces the incidence of neural tube defects such as spina bifida and anencephaly, with a possible side effect of a small increase in the possibility of having twins. Women who have a history of a previous baby with a neural tube defects are prescribed higher doses. Folic acid should be taken pre-conception and for the first fourteen weeks. I don't see the need for any other supplementation than folic acid, unless the woman has a demonstrated deficiency or they are strict vegans, in which case I believe supplementation with B12 is recommended. Regards, Nicole. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Päivi Laukkanen Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 6:35 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] supplements during pregnancy Hi, I lived in US, when expecting my first one and there it was always in the magazines, that all women planning pregnancy or pregnant shouldtake folic acid supplements. Here in Finland we don't really hear about folic acid. It is mainly the iron, that is suggested during pregnancy. Or multivitamins. Pharmaceutical companies are recommending all sorts of stuff, but what really are the important ones... What kind of supplements do you midwives recommend for your clients to take during pregnancy and breastfeeding? Päivi Independent Childbirth educator Finland
Re: [ozmidwifery] supplements during pregnancy
Very interesting Lieve. This is exactly why I love this list. I would never get these answers anywhere else... Päivi - Original Message - From: Lieve Huybrechts To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 12:32 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] supplements during pregnancy Hoi Païvi, What I read through the time about folic acid is that only women that took chemical anticonception for a long time need folic acid. They dont absorb it well and have low levels when they stop with the anticonception. So you can make a difference with women who didnt take anticonception for a while. I also read, but dont ask me where J that taking folic acide doesnt reduce the incidence of neural tube defects, but with normal levels a womens body works better, so also the natural selection, so the affected foetus is spontaneously aborted. So I stimulate women that took oral anticonception to wait a while before getting pregnant and to supplement with folic acid. If thay come on preconceptional consultation I do a blood test and test for folic acid an iron and never give supplements without reason. In the books of Michel Odent you also can find that a drop in hb level and iron after 28 weeks is very normal. It seems that women who dont have the drop are more at risk for premature delivery. So I never give supplementation of iron, except there is a real severe anaemia. You always have to keep in mind that also bacteries grow on iron. Around birth a woman is vulnarable to infections so it is normal for a body to protect itself by lowering the iron reserves. I recommend healthy food, walking and swimming and it works. Kind regards Lieve Lieve Huybrechts vroedvrouw 0477740853 -Oorspronkelijk bericht-Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Päivi LaukkanenVerzonden: dinsdag 21 februari 2006 22:39Aan: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auOnderwerp: Re: [ozmidwifery] supplements during pregnancy Thank you for the information. Here in finland you can't get just folic acid on it's own. It always comes in a multivitamin or ironsupplement I guess. I would like to provide a reasonable product for Finnish women, so do you think, that I should seek for a plain folic acid product, and sell that in my store? Can you remember the daily recommendations for folic acid? Päivi - Original Message - From: Nicole Carver To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 11:00 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] supplements during pregnancy Hi Paivi, Iron should only be taken by women who are anaemic, or you can see they are heading that way (ie Hb going down.) Of course these women need full investigation too, with iron studies and a medical examination and history. There has been some question that giving iron to women who don't need it can lead to blood which is more viscid, and reduces the blood flow through the placenta. Folic acid on the other hand, drastically reduces the incidence of neural tube defects such as spina bifida and anencephaly, with a possible side effect of a small increase in the possibility of having twins. Women who have a history of a previous baby with a neural tube defects are prescribed higher doses. Folic acid should be taken pre-conception and for the first fourteen weeks. I don't see the need for any other supplementation than folic acid, unless the woman has a demonstrated deficiency or they are strict vegans, in which case I believe supplementation with B12 is recommended. Regards, Nicole. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Päivi LaukkanenSent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 6:35 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] supplements during pregnancy Hi, I lived in US, when expecting my first one and there it was always in the magazines, that all women planning pregnancy or pregnant shouldtake folic acid supplements. Here in Finland we don't really hear about folic acid. It is mainly the iron, that is suggested during pregnancy. Or multivitamins. Pharmaceutical companies are recommending all sorts of stuff, but what really are the important ones... What kind of supplements do you midwives recommend for your clients to take during pregnancy and breastfeeding? Päivi Independent Childbirth educator Finland
[ozmidwifery] Re: Diabetes Insipidus
Many thanks to all for information and links for diabetes insipidus. Yesterdays prostin had not worked!! Dates ?? Previous baby 10lb, so guess why they are inducing this mother. Our unit has a midwives/doctors breakfast meeting 3 or 4 times a year, at yesterdays meeting information given that April is a well booked month, my suggestion that we have an induction free month was met with silence and no comment! Thanks again for the information. Barbara, Parkes
[ozmidwifery] Independent Midwife for Hospital Support
Hello Listers, I am putting out feelers for a friend who is 37+ weeks with her first babe. Her little one is frank breech, had unsuccessful ECV this week. She is birthing at West Gippsland Hospital and has been attending the midwife led programme there. Now she has graduated to a 'high risk' pregnancy, she has been referred to an OB who is happy for her to birth naturally. He even gave her a copy of 'Breech Birth Woman Wise' to take home to read!! Although she obviously has a supportive OB, she is really keen for additional support and thought there might be a midwife in the area who would be willing to take her on. She is not looking for a home birth but someone who will give her women-centred support and information regarding her birth. Any takers? Thanks in advance, Miriam (3rd year Bmid FUSA) Do you Yahoo!? Find a local business fast with Yahoo! Local Search http://au.local.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] supplements during pregnancy
Yes this is certainly very interesting. A friend of mine is pregnant and self-prescribed Blackmores pregnancy and breastfeeding supplement. Doing the shared care option and GP advised that she change to Elevit (which she did) as it is the only supplement that has been researched to be of benefit to baby. This suggested to me that any research that was indeed done on Elevit would have been done by its big rich pharmaceutical manufacturer. What are the benefits of Elevit over say Blackmores or any other supplement? Are they necessary at all in the course of a healthy pregnancy? I read in some of Elevits own advertising that other supplements contain fish oil which has not been proven to be safe during pregnancy so Elevit does not contain fish oil Julia (1st year BMid Student as of next week! Yay!) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Päivi Laukkanen Sent: Wednesday, 22 February 2006 9:57 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] supplements during pregnancy Very interesting Lieve. This is exactly why I love this list. I would never get these answers anywhere else... Päivi - Original Message - From: Lieve Huybrechts To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 12:32 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] supplements during pregnancy Hoi Païvi, What I read through the time about folic acid is that only women that took chemical anticonception for a long time need folic acid. They dont absorb it well and have low levels when they stop with the anticonception. So you can make a difference with women who didnt take anticonception for a while. I also read, but dont ask me where J that taking folic acide doesnt reduce the incidence of neural tube defects, but with normal levels a womens body works better, so also the natural selection, so the affected foetus is spontaneously aborted. So I stimulate women that took oral anticonception to wait a while before getting pregnant and to supplement with folic acid. If thay come on preconceptional consultation I do a blood test and test for folic acid an iron and never give supplements without reason. In the books of Michel Odent you also can find that a drop in hb level and iron after 28 weeks is very normal. It seems that women who dont have the drop are more at risk for premature delivery. So I never give supplementation of iron, except there is a real severe anaemia. You always have to keep in mind that also bacteries grow on iron. Around birth a woman is vulnarable to infections so it is normal for a body to protect itself by lowering the iron reserves. I recommend healthy food, walking and swimming and it works. Kind regards Lieve Lieve Huybrechts vroedvrouw 0477740853 -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Päivi Laukkanen Verzonden: dinsdag 21 februari 2006 22:39 Aan: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Onderwerp: Re: [ozmidwifery] supplements during pregnancy Thank you for the information. Here in finland you can't get just folic acid on it's own. It always comes in a multivitamin or ironsupplement I guess. I would like to provide a reasonable product for Finnish women, so do you think, that I should seek for a plain folic acid product, and sell that in my store? Can you remember the daily recommendations for folic acid? Päivi - Original Message - From: Nicole Carver To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 11:00 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] supplements during pregnancy Hi Paivi, Iron should only be taken by women who are anaemic, or you can see they are heading that way (ie Hb going down.) Of course these women need full investigation too, with iron studies and a medical examination and history. There has been some question that giving iron to women who don't need it can lead to blood which is more viscid, and reduces the blood flow through the placenta. Folic acid on the other hand, drastically reduces the incidence of neural tube defects such as spina bifida and anencephaly, with a possible side effect of a small increase in the possibility of having twins. Women who have a history of a previous baby with a neural tube defects are prescribed higher doses. Folic acid should be taken pre-conception and for the first fourteen weeks. I don't see the need for any other supplementation than folic acid, unless the woman has a demonstrated deficiency or they are strict vegans, in which case I believe supplementation with B12 is recommended. Regards, Nicole. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Päivi Laukkanen Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 6:35 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] supplements
RE: [ozmidwifery] supplements during pregnancy
Hi Paivi, I looked up the dose in 'A Midwife's Handbook' by Constance Sinclair, 2004. She recommends 400ug folic acid daily from 6-8 weeks prior to conception (presumably continue to 14 weeks post conception) and 4mg for women who have a past or family history of neural tube defects. I think it would be an important product to have in your store. Nicole. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Päivi LaukkanenSent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 8:39 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] supplements during pregnancy Thank you for the information. Here in finland you can't get just folic acid on it's own. It always comes in a multivitamin or ironsupplement I guess. I would like to provide a reasonable product for Finnish women, so do you think, that I should seek for a plain folic acid product, and sell that in my store? Can you remember the daily recommendations for folic acid? Päivi - Original Message - From: Nicole Carver To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 11:00 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] supplements during pregnancy Hi Paivi, Iron should only be taken by women who are anaemic, or you can see they are heading that way (ie Hb going down.) Of course these women need full investigation too, with iron studies and a medical examination and history. There has been some question that giving iron to women who don't need it can lead to blood which is more viscid, and reduces the blood flow through the placenta. Folic acid on the other hand, drastically reduces the incidence of neural tube defects such as spina bifida and anencephaly, with a possible side effect of a small increase in the possibility of having twins. Women who have a history of a previous baby with a neural tube defects are prescribed higher doses. Folic acid should be taken pre-conception and for the first fourteen weeks. I don't see the need for any other supplementation than folic acid, unless the woman has a demonstrated deficiency or they are strict vegans, in which case I believe supplementation with B12 is recommended. Regards, Nicole. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Päivi LaukkanenSent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 6:35 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] supplements during pregnancy Hi, I lived in US, when expecting my first one and there it was always in the magazines, that all women planning pregnancy or pregnant shouldtake folic acid supplements. Here in Finland we don't really hear about folic acid. It is mainly the iron, that is suggested during pregnancy. Or multivitamins. Pharmaceutical companies are recommending all sorts of stuff, but what really are the important ones... What kind of supplements do you midwives recommend for your clients to take during pregnancy and breastfeeding? Päivi Independent Childbirth educator Finland
RE: [ozmidwifery] was supplements during pregnancy - now A Midwife's Handboook
HI, I am a 2nd Year BMid student, and I can recommend a couple of books which we use across the board, they are Myles, Texttbook for Midwives; Stables and Rankin, Physiology ion Childbearing; Johnson Taylor (? Skills in Midwifery?) Sorry left that one in my car. I Study as Part of the Werna Naloo Consortium in Vic. And these 3 books are used by all the universities in the consortium. Hope that is some help. Oh yeah dont for get your Midwifery dictionary. Good luck with the studies. Melanie From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Julia Vaughan Sent: Wednesday, 22 February 2006 12:58 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] was supplements during pregnancy - now A Midwife's Handboook Hi Nicole, I just googled this book and it looks like a good one. Is it on uni reading lists or just one that you came across? Any other suggestions - Nicole or anyone else - for good foundation books for a beginning BMid student? I dont have our book list yet Julia - who is keen to purchase a few carefully chosen midwifery titles. -Original Message- From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Nicole Carver Sent: Wednesday, 22 February 2006 11:33 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] supplements during pregnancy Hi Paivi, I looked up the dose in 'A Midwife's Handbook' by Constance Sinclair, 2004. She recommends 400ug folic acid daily from 6-8 weeks prior to conception (presumably continue to 14 weeks post conception) and 4mg for women who have a past or family history of neural tube defects. I think it would be an important product to have in your store. Nicole.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Online meeting places for Australian Doulas / Birth Attendants
Title: Message Okay I have set up the following forums to hopefully get some action going!: Doula / Birth Attendant General Chatter (you need to apply, only students and those trained can view / post) http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/viewforum.php?f=163 Ask A Doula / Birth Attendant a Question (for members wanting to know more about us!) http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/viewforum.php?f=164 Doula, Birth Attendant Midwifery Resources (add MIPP details, training details, etc) http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/viewforum.php?f=165 Midwifery General Chatter (you need to apply, only students and those trained can view / post) http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/viewforum.php?f=166 Please feel free to pop in and say hello, email your details for the lists if you are a Doula, Birth Attendant or MIPP. Ill add this email list as a resource too. Ive also started a forum Doula, Birth Attendant Private Educator Recommendations, so feel free to pass on recommendations of who you used (non-commercial, no links or contact details in this one please) and what your thoughts were. Hopefully we can promote more of what we do and its benefits by having these forums. http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/viewforum.php?f=167 My forums arent about making money; they are about education and empowerment J So anyone wanting to make a difference is more than welcome. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Nicola Morley Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2006 9:07 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Online meeting places for Australian Doulas / Birth Attendants Another doula here - well doula in training (I have finished all the theory, reading, childbrith calsses etc, have done one trainee birth with two to go due in March.) I joined up on the yahoo group :) Nicola -Original Message- From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Kelly @ BellyBelly Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 6:58 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Online meeting places for Australian Doulas / Birth Attendants Hey all, I hope this post is appropriate! I love reading your discussions, however I do feel out of place not being a midwife and am keen to discuss some issues which I dont think will be of interest to some of you, like the ones over the last few days!!! Just wanted to send out an email to let everyone know about the Australian Doulas email list, as I know there are some doulas and birth attendants amongst us. I love chatting with other Doulas / Birth Attendants but there doesnt seem to be something busy enough about the place. If you know any doulas or birth attendants or are one yourself, you can join the Australian Doulas mailing list at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Australian-doulas/ - hopefully we can get some serious conversations going, rather than one email every six months or so! Come on guys, lets get together and chat about birth!!! Please join and introduce yourselves. Please feel free to pass on and circulate to others I didnt start Australian Doulas at all; I am just a Birth Attendant dying to have a place on the web to chat to other doulas and birth attendants. I am also going to start a section in my forums for us to chat, women to ask us questions etc so keep an eye on www.bellybelly.com.au/forums and I will set it up this evening down the bottom of the forums be sure to be registered and get chatting please I feel all alone here!!! Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support
Re: [ozmidwifery] GP attending hb in Sydney?
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] GP attending hb in Sydney? No Janet As far as I know there is not 1 homebirth GP in Sydney. In fact I only know of 1 or 2 in the whole of NSW JC Justine Caines Secretary Homebirth Australia PO Box 105 Merriwa NSW 2329 Ph: (02) 65453612 0408 21 02 73 E-Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.homebirthaustralia.org
RE: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information
Skipping isn't bad either if you don't have a trampoline on tap. cheers Judy --- Megan Larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ideally we all can benefit from pelvis floor excercises, including men. My dad had his prostate removed recently for cancer and I told him to start and excercise his pelvic floor pre-surgery to help with his recovery. He told his specialist what I said and he thought it was an excellent idea. Interestingly my Dad noticed improvement with his weeing just from this and did have a good recovery. Anyway, just my two bits, Megan PS trampolines are an excellent way to find out how strong your pelvic floor is, or isn't as you may find out. Hehehehe _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kylie Carberry Sent: Wednesday, 22 February 2006 4:03 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information Hi All, I was wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction with some research I am doing for a story on the importance of pelvic floor exercises. A lot of women are led to believe - I guess, by scalpel-happy OB's - that a weakened pelvic floor can be avoided a by having a c-section. I recall, some time last year, reading an article disproving this theory, but, of course cannot remember where I read it. If there is anyone who can help me out here, I would greatly appreciate if you could let me know. Any other thoughts on the topic would be welcomed also. Best wishes Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health: Dedicated to providing current health news and information http://au.health.yahoo.com/ -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] GP attending hb in Sydney?
Hi janet, There is no gp in Sydney attending hbs. Jo hunter From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Janet Fraser Sent: Wednesday, 22 February 2006 1:07 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] GP attending hb in Sydney? Hi all, we have an excellent GP here in Melbourne who attends hb and comes with the admirable benefit of being able to claim part of his fee back on medicare - of course. Does anyone know of a hb GP working in Sydney like this? TIA, J Joyous Birth Home Birth Forum - a world first! http://www.joyousbirth.info/forums/ Attending births is like growing roses. You have to marvel at the ones that just open up and bloom at the first kiss of the sun but you wouldn't dream of pulling open the petals of the tightly closed buds and forcing them to blossom to your time line. ~Gloria Lemay~
