[ozmidwifery] Dr Browns
I recieved this from the bubhub website manager Begin forwarded message: x-tad-smallerHi Katrina/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerThank you for your kind words about the site - much appreciated!/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerAs you are probably aware, our site is endorsed by the ACMI and the breastfeeding pages are endorsed by ALCA. We have an agreement with both of those organisations that we will voluntarily abide by the WHO code. We have also agreed with both of those organisations that we will have NO advertising for formula (including toddler follow-on formula) on the site, or ads for pacifiers. However, it has been agreed that we may include ads for bottles on the site./x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerThese discussion have also been continued with the Maternity Coalition who have agreed with this approach./x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerWe will not include ads for any organisation that breaches the WHO code, however, as far as we are aware, Dr Browns do not breach the WHO code. If they do, we will be more than happy to remove any future advertising by this organisation from our site. Please note that the Dr Browns ad was due to run for one week only and this is now over. The offending ad has been removed from our site already./x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerGiven your concerns, we will review our policy regarding bottle advertising again. /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerwith kind regards/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerHilary/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerHilary Lauder/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerWebsite Manager/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerattachment: logo.jpg x-tad-smallerph: 07 3862 4491/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerMob: 0404 898 832/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerEmail: /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller[EMAIL PROTECTED]/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerWebsite: /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerwww.bubhub.com.au/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerThis email and any accompanying attachments is intended for the use of the named individual or entity and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any dissemination, distribution or copying by anyone other than the intended recipient of this email is strictly prohibited. If this email is received in error, please destroy it immediately./x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller
Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding Calendar
I agree Mary, my personal favourite is September, the look of absolute glee :-)Katrina On 19/10/2006, at 5:07 PM, Mary Murphy wrote: x-tad-smallerIsn’t june’s baby just the most perfect attachment? Good for showing women what they are aiming for. MM/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerThe Australian Breastfeeding Association's 2007 Calendar is now available. May I go so far as to say it's the best EVER! Gorgeous photos. Perfect for promoting breastfeeding on any hospital wall. Perfect for your own home. Perfect for Christmas./x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerOnly $15 plus postage. Purchase from /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerhttp://www.mothersdirect.com.au//x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerRegards,/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerBarb Glare/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller Mum of Zac, 12, Daniel, 10, Cassie 7 Guan 3/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller Counsellor, Warrnambool Vic/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller[EMAIL PROTECTED]/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller**/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerPh (03) 5565 8602/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller Director, Australian Breastfeeding Association/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller Mothers Direct/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerwww.mothersdirect.com.au/x-tad-smaller
Re: [ozmidwifery] GBS and Staph
Isn't GBS a staph infection??? Been awhile since I was at work, relishing in the time off work with little munchkin who is now 3 and bit months old. katrina On 06/10/2006, at 7:06 PM, Kelly @ BellyBelly wrote: x-tad-smallerOne of the women on my site has just found out she has both of these things. She said she has googled for hours and can’t find anything on Staph specifically. Can someone pass on some knowledge on what this is going to mean? I have never heard of someone having both before…. She’s almost 38wks…/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerBest Regards,/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerKelly Zantey/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerCreator, /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerBellyBelly.com.au/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerConception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerBellyBelly Birth Support/x-tad-smaller
Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article
Hi Pauline there is something called 'Night Nannies, I saw something on the tv about this a few weeks agodon't think they were midwives though Katrina On 21/09/2006, at 8:52 PM, Pauline Moore wrote: x-tad-smallerDid I see somewhere that midwives (through an agency) were going into women’s homes and helping women with their new babies (through the night), at a cost of course? Sydney I think./x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerPauline/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerFrom:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerOn Behalf Of /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerdiane/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSent:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller 21 September 2006 17:44/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerTo:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSubject:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerAbsolutely! I know I love to be with my family, but throw in great meals, a spa bath and a midwife to help in an environment where I would do nothing but rest and care for bub, not home where the washing is piling up and the other kids are getting bored. Hmm, why not a luxury midwifery led post natal unit? Surely the health funds would pay for that? BB with a kids club and a midwife on call, sounds like a lovely babymoon./x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerDi/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerPS: Kelly I would be keen on the marketing workshops. Just thinking on the three things./x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller- Original Message -/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerFrom:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerMichelle Windsor/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerTo:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSent:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Thursday, September 21, 2006 5:23 PM/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSubject:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article/x-tad-smaller I could be on the wrong track here. but perhaps at the bottom of all this is some women's desire (maybe subconsciously) for something special (the 5 star hotel) to acknowledge what an amazing person she is to be a mother and to have birthed a baby. Unlike some other cultures, our society as a whole doesn't seem to value mothers very highly. What does she do? Oh she just had kids.. Even women themselves often identify themselves as 'just a mum' or 'just a housewife'. Maybe if women were acknowledged and celebrated in other ways for the wonderful work they do in birthing and mothering and provided with excellent support, staying in a 5 star hotel wouldn't be so appealing. Cheers Michelle Kelly @ BellyBelly [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: x-tad-smallerI posted the article on my forums, here is what women think of the idea – be it what you agree with or not – this is what THEY think so maybe we can get some ideas or learn something from this: /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerhttp://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=439579/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerBest Regards,/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerKelly Zantey/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller Creator, /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerGentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerBellyBelly Birth Support/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerFrom:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerOn Behalf Of /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerMary Murphy/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSent:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Thursday, 21 September 2006 8:27 AM/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerTo:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSubject:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerImportance:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller High/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerThe Caroline flint you have contacted is a politician, not the midwife. Try putting midwife in front of the google search. It is confusing to have two high profile people with the same name. MM/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerFrom:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerOn Behalf Of /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerVedrana Valcic/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSent:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Wednesday, 20 September 2006 6:11 PM/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerTo:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSubject:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerWhere can I find out more about her marketing strategies? Midwives in Croatia would certainly appreciate info about effective marketing strategies. I found this site: /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller, but I don’t know if there is
Re: [ozmidwifery] Depressing article on breastfeeding in public in the US
the website in the article has been temporarily disabled! wonder if it was because of the breastfeeding/ bra content??? Katrina ;-) ~who proudly feed her 5 week old while out in public today On 31/07/2006, at 5:04 PM, Helen and Graham wrote: c.gif> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14065706/page/2/ msnbc_ban.gif> MSNBC.com Eyeful of breast-feeding mom sparks outrage Magazine cover blasted by public squeamish over sight of nursing breast x-tad-smallerThe Associated Press/x-tad-smallerUpdated: 8:33 p.m. ET July 27, 2006 x-tad-smallerNEW YORK - I was SHOCKED to see a giant breast on the cover of your magazine, one person wrote. I immediately turned the magazine face down, wrote another. Gross, said a third./x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerThese readers weren't complaining about a sexually explicit cover, but rather one of a baby nursing, on a wholesome parenting magazine — yet another sign that Americans are squeamish over the sight of a nursing breast, even as breast-feeding itself gains greater support from the government and medical community./x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerBabytalk is a free magazine whose readership is overwhelmingly mothers of babies. Yet in a poll of more than 4,000 readers, a quarter of responses to the cover were negative, calling the photo — a baby and part of a woman's breast, in profile — inappropriate./x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerOne mother who didn't like the cover explains she was concerned about her 13-year-old son seeing it./x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerI shredded it, said Gayle Ash, of Belton, Texas, in a telephone interview. A breast is a breast — it's a sexual thing. He didn't need to see that./x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerIt's the same reason that Ash, 41, who nursed all three of her children, is cautious about breast-feeding in public — a subject of enormous debate among women, which has even spawned a new term: lactivists, meaning those who advocate for a woman's right to nurse wherever she needs to./x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerI'm totally supportive of it — I just don't like the flashing, she says. I don't want my son or husband to accidentally see a breast they didn't want to see./x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerAnother mother, Kelly Wheatley, wrote Babytalk to applaud the cover, precisely because, she says, it helps educate people that breasts are more than sex objects. And yet Wheatley, 40, who's still nursing her 3-year-old daughter, rarely breast-feeds in public, partly because it's more comfortable in the car, and partly because her husband is uncomfortable with other men seeing her breast./x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerMen are very visual, says Wheatley, 40, of Amarillo, Texas. When they see a woman's breast, they see a breast — regardless of what it's being used for./x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerBabytalk editor Susan Kane says the mixed response to the cover clearly echoes the larger debate over breast-feeding in public. There's a huge Puritanical streak in Americans, she says, and there's a squeamishness about seeing a body part — even part of a body part./x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerIt's not like women are whipping them out with tassels on them! she adds. Mostly, they are trying to be discreet./x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerKane says that since the August issue came out last week, the magazine has received more than 700 letters — more than for any article in years./x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerGross, I am sick of seeing a baby attached to a boob, wrote Lauren, a mother of a 4-month-old./x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerThe evidence of public discomfort isn't just anecdotal. In a survey published in 2004 by the American Dietetic Association, less than half — 43 percent — of 3,719 respondents said women should have the right to breast-feed in public places./x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerThe debate rages at a time when the celebrity-mom phenomenon has made breast-feeding perhaps more public than ever. Gwyneth Paltrow, Brooke Shields, Kate Hudson and Kate Beckinsale are only a few of the stars who've talked openly about their nursing experiences./x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerThe celeb factor has even brought a measure of chic to that unsexiest of garments: the nursing bra. Gwen Stefani can be seen on /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerbabyrazzi.com/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller — a site with a self-explanatory name — sporting a leopard-print version from lingerie line Agent Provocateur. And none other than Angelina Jolie wore one proudly on the cover of People. (Katie Holmes, meanwhile, suffered a maternity wardrobe malfunction when cameras caught her, nursing bra open and peeking out of her shirt, while on the town with husband Tom Cruise.)/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerMore seriously, the social and medical debate has intensified. The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services recently concluded a two-year breast-feeding awareness campaign including a TV ad — criticized as over-the-top even by some breast-feeding advocates — in which NOT breast-feeding was equated with the recklessness of a pregnant woman riding a mechanical
Re: [ozmidwifery] Isobel Joy has arrived...
Congratulations and best wishes to you all Katrina :-) On 15/07/2006, at 9:29 PM, Janet Fraser wrote: Isobel Joy Stokes Fraser was born beautifully at home, in water, into her daddy's hands Thursday 13th July. She weighs 3.7kgs and has taken to life earthside with remarkable alacrity! Thanks to those who supported me through a challenging, lengthy labour. I couldn't have done it without you! Photos as soon as they're uploaded. From Janet, Trevor, Conor AND Isobel! For home birth information go to: Joyous Birth Australian home birth network and forums. http://www.joyousbirth.info/ Or email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ozmidwifery] Today Tonight (VIC) Caesarean Births
I caught the story in NSW, it started so well I thought! but I ended up screaming also!!! Katrina On 10/07/2006, at 7:34 PM, Kelly @ BellyBelly wrote: x-tad-smallerYup. */x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallersigh/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller*/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerBest Regards,/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerKelly Zantey/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller Creator, /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerGentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerBellyBelly Birth Support/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerFrom:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerOn Behalf Of /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerjo/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSent:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Monday, 10 July 2006 7:01 PM/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerTo:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSubject:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller RE: [ozmidwifery] Today Tonight (VIC) Caesarean Births/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerHH! Anyone else screaming at the tv/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerjo/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerFrom:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerOn Behalf Of /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerKelly @ BellyBelly/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSent:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Monday, 10 July 2006 6:32 PM/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerTo:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSubject:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller [ozmidwifery] Today Tonight (VIC) Caesarean Births/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerFYI there is a story on tonight about increased caesareans being performed./x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerBest Regards,/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerKelly Zantey/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller Creator, /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerBellyBelly.com.au/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerGentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerBellyBelly Birth Support/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support/x-tad-smaller
Re: [ozmidwifery] Today Tonight (VIC) Caesarean Births
not able to find a transcript on the siteGrrr On 11/07/2006, at 12:16 AM, Susan Cudlipp wrote: x-tad-smallerAny chance of a transcript?/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerSue/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller- Original Message -/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerFrom:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerCeri Katrina/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerTo:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSent:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Monday, July 10, 2006 8:19 PM/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSubject:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Re: [ozmidwifery] Today Tonight (VIC) Caesarean Births/x-tad-smaller I caught the story in NSW, it started so well I thought! but I ended up screaming also!!! Katrina On 10/07/2006, at 7:34 PM, Kelly @ BellyBelly wrote: Yup. *sigh* Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jo Sent: Monday, 10 July 2006 7:01 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Today Tonight (VIC) Caesarean Births HH! Anyone else screaming at the tv jo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly @ BellyBelly Sent: Monday, 10 July 2006 6:32 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Today Tonight (VIC) Caesarean Births FYI there is a story on tonight about increased caesareans being performed. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/383 - Release Date: 7/07/2006
[ozmidwifery] It's A Girl
Hi Everyone I was hoping to announce my news along with the birth story, but the story will have to come later! ;-) Introducing my new little munchkin Lilly born @40+6 Born last Saturday 24 June 2006 Weighed: 3740grams HC 35.5cms Length 52cms Labour was 3.5hours, mostly spent in the shower. No drugs, intact peri, breastfeeding well. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Kath's story
thanks for sharing Andrea. I love hearing stories like this one. :-) Katrina (who is 40/40 today) On 18/06/2006, at 12:10 AM, Andrea Quanchi wrote: I was 'with' a woman on thursday night when she birthed that left me on a real high Kath has been seeing me for her whole pregnancy and we had discussed birthing at home many times but she had decided that she wanted to go to the hospital to birth. perhaps if it was my second baby I might have it at home' she said. Despite this I kept picturing her birthing at home and was puzzled why because I don't try and change women's minds or convince them of one way or the other but point out the advantages and disadvantages. She let me know wednesday night that she had had a few niggles and on thursday morning that she was leaking. I visited after lunch and then left her to it. She rang at 7pm to say that the liquor was pink but that they were OK for now, At 9pm they rang and asked me to come. I arrived at 9:15 pm to find her leaning over her bed having strong contractions but she was able to chat to me easily between them. She did tell me they were pretty strong but she felt she had ages to go yet! We chatted, checked her BP FHR etc and I watched her to try and assess where she was up to. She went to the loo at 9:45 and as I listened to her she made a noise that got my attention. I asked her about it but she denied any urge to push and then told me she just needed to open her bowels! I asked her to have a feel in her vagina and she said she could feel something hard! because she had been so adament that she wanted to birth at the hospital I donned a glove and had a quick feel. I said well there's two choices we can have the baby here or you can have it in the car because there's no way your making it to the hospital. She looked at me with a grin and said well I'd rather stay here than do that. So we did and ten minutes and three pushes later James arrived much to his parents amazement and his midwives amusement. The whole thing was great, she sat up in bed an hour later and said well I'd do that again as she put her baby to the breast without any fuss. Three days later they are all loving every minute of their whole experience and I feel truely blessed to have been part of it. Andrea Q -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] the Baby Catcher
I too have read the book, and laughed and cried all the way thorugh. It is an awesome read ;-) Katrina On 19/05/2006, at 5:28 PM, Diane Gardner wrote: I read it a couple of years ago on a plane back from the US and I couldn't put it down. Yes and I too laughed and cried on the plane. It was great to have something really worthwhile to read while waiting, waiting, waiting in airports. By the end of the book I felt I knew her so well and such an insight into what midwives go through. regards Di Gardner - Original Message - From: Andrea Quanchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 1:54 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] the Baby Catcher I bought myself Peggy Vincent's book the Baby Catcher for IMD and have just finished reading it. I laughed, I cried but most of all thought I was reading a book that could have been about me. I would encouraged everyone to read it. Thanks Andrea for putting it on the list for IMD Andrea Quanchi -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] IMD
Ditto! Have a great day everybody! Katrina On 04/05/2006, at 10:31 PM, diane wrote: x-tad-smallerHappy International Midwives Day to everyone./x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerCheers,/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerDi/x-tad-smaller
Re: [ozmidwifery] BF videos
not sure of the title, but an awesome video. Babies are so clever!!! We watched it in the early days of our middy training and it was a real eye opener! Very inspiring Katrina On 25/04/2006, at 1:37 PM, Jo Watson wrote: I don't know what it's called, but the one where the freshly newborn baby crawls up the mother's abdomen and attaches itself to the breast without any help is awesome. Made me cry! Hopefully someone else knows the name of it? Jo On 25/04/2006, at 9:59 AM, Kristin Beckedahl wrote: Can anyone recommend a really good BF video..?? I have only seen Follow Me Mum which I liked very much (altho the bub was not newborn?). Are there any other good ones to chase up? Thanks -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Birthing Music
Hi everyone I know this is going to be a very individual preference, but just wondering if any of you wonderful people out there can recommend some music for birthing. I have my Enya CD and a couple of others, but am wanting some more. If anyone has a CD or artist they can recommend from personal or other experience that would be fabulous. thanks in advance Katrina -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birthing Music
thanks everyone for the info so far. My music collection is extremely eclectic, having a opera singer for an husband does that! I too have had been with birthing women who have listened to all sorts of music, all of which was what they needed and wanted. Lynne I loved your story about the I am woman! song. :-) Katrina (who is thouroughly enjoying her time off from work) Ceri Aubrey 36 Bentley Road Narara NSW 2250 PH: (02)43292008 Mob: 0407600178 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 13/04/2006, at 8:11 AM, Lynne Staff wrote: Hi Katrina I think I have heard just about every type of music there is as I have journeyed with women as they work to give birth. You name it - opera, grunge, rock 'n' roll, atmospheric, Gregorian chant, lots of women's music, music with and without voice, world music, straight percussion - even Cherie Baby, Won't You Come Out Tonight (which was not intended to be a pun at the time but had us all in stitches (wonderful home birth). I have even been present where as the famiy's tradition had it, that the forst generation baby was piped in by a lone piper (in hospital), another where the baby was drummed in by three women who softly played their djembes, and another where the baby was 'didged' in (again in hospital) - gave me huge goosebumps. One thing I have noted, though, is that women late in their birthwork, often do not want any sound (including music) much at all as they move into that space, where they need to go. Also, I suggest to women to bring in a special CD with lots of funky rhythm in case she needs to do some serious wiggling and moving - real get down and boogie stuff for those moments when a woman is finding it hard to bring her baby down. I ahve even been asked by a woman (her birth wishes) to sing Helen Reddy's I Am Woman to her if she asked when things were tough. Wellshe asked me, I did and she said it was just what she needed - lots of laughs afterwards :-) Hope this helps - Lynne - Original Message - From: Ceri Katrina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:16 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Birthing Music Hi everyone I know this is going to be a very individual preference, but just wondering if any of you wonderful people out there can recommend some music for birthing. I have my Enya CD and a couple of others, but am wanting some more. If anyone has a CD or artist they can recommend from personal or other experience that would be fabulous. thanks in advance Katrina -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push
Where I work, we offer position changes, walking, the shower, the bath if available, hands and knees, rocking etc etc all before the epidural is suggested. Even though it is in hospital we still try to make it as women centred as we can, after all we are all there for the woman and the family unit. Katrina On 12/04/2006, at 9:23 PM, Susan Cudlipp wrote: Wow! Have just read all the other responses to this question and am quite amazed - in most hospital situations all that would be thought of would be an epidural to lessen sensation! :-) Sue The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing Edmund Burke - Original Message - From: Kristin Beckedahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Thanks Sue... What is usually done to remedy it.? From: Susan Cudlipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:21:42 +0800 Sometimes happens with OP positions. Sue The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing Edmund Burke - Original Message - From: Kristin Beckedahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 4:19 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Hi all, A good friend, during her labour, got to 3-4cm and had an uncontrollable urge to push. Her doula, midwives and all tried everything to perhaps lessen the sensation...to no avail. She ended up with CS. Now, what is this all about...? I'm thinking maybe presenting part doing something unusual?? Would love some knowledge re this? Ta -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/307 - Release Date: 10/04/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/307 - Release Date: 10/04/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] managed versus physiological 3rd stage, was: after birth pains
Hi Nicola Who are you seeing for your care???The main thing to remember is to discuss all your wishes with the midwife on the day. If the midwife is aware of what your wishes are they can facilitate it better. From memeory (it has been a few months since I was in birthing suite) you have up to an hour for the placenta to come when using physiologically...this does lessen though if there is copious amounts of blood loss and you are symptomatic of having a PPH. As far as I know all of us in birthing suite facilitate skin to skin contact after birth, and encourage the baby to feed etc before anything is attended such as the weighing of the baby. We all like the baby to have a beautiful cuddle with mum. As for cord clamping, again, if the midwife is aware, she can facilitate the delayed clamping of the cord. From what I have seen, the physiological 3rd stage is no less painful than when having synto. I find it is the individual woman, and how she tolerates the pain in general. Some find it more painful, others find it a pleasureble sensation as there are no bones in the placenta and it expells easily. Some have a one huge contraction then the placenta births, then they have mild period pain. Most of them say it was nothing compared to the labour. Hope that helps...and if you have any other queries let me know. Katrina On 02/04/2006, at 8:05 PM, Nicola Morley wrote: x-tad-smallerThis reminds me of a question I have after being a doula at a birth with a physiological 3rd stage. The mother in question chose physiological and found 3rd stage far more painful than she had with 2 previously managed (synto) 3rd stages. So painful that she felt she couldn't hold her baby safely(apart from a brief cuddle in the moments following birth). They also only gave her 1/2 hour to deliver placenta physiologically, so she felt pressure to try and breastfeed before her and baby were really ready to try and get things moving./x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerI have a couple of questions, partly professional for my future reference, and partly personal because I am considering options for my own birth! Is it normal for third stage to be more painful if done physiologically? Is it normal to set a time limit of 1/2 hour (this was at a low intervention, low risk only hospital - Wyong, whereas I am delivering at the more interventionalist Gosford so imagine it could be even less??? Anyone know who works at either of these hospitals?)? Early skin to skin contact with my baby, and time to allow baby to self attach to the breast are both more important to me than a physiological 3rd stage, so if choosing that option is a risk to either of those things I would prefer they gave me the synto (after waiting for cord to stop pulsing before clamping and cutting)!!/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerAlso, I didn't think to ask at the time, but what is the plan if the 1/2 hour is up and the placenta is not delivered? Can you give synto then, or is it too late and there are other things that need to be done? I am just thinking that if there is no problem delaying the synto, can anyone think of any good reason why I couldn't ask for a physiological 3rd stage, then if it was taking too long, or was too painful to hold baby, or I was being rushed to feed to get things moving, I couldn't just say, ok give me the synto then??/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerNicola/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerTrainee Doula/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller-Original Message-/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerFrom:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerOn Behalf Of /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerSusan Cudlipp/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerSent:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Sunday, April 02, 2006 7:01 PM/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerTo:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerSubject:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Re: [ozmidwifery] after birth pains/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerHi Lyn/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerI don't know if this woman had actively managed or physiological 3rd stage with her first 2 but I know of one (now grand) multip whose 2nd birth I attended - she suffered dreadfully with after pains in all hosp births but has had the last couple at home with physiological 3rd stages and told me that the after pains have not been a problem ./x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSue/x-tad-smallerThe only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing Edmund Burke x-tad-smaller- Original Message -/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerFrom:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerlyn lyn/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerTo:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSent:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Sunday, April 02, 2006 9:02 AM/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSubject:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller [ozmidwifery] after birth pains/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerHi
Re: [ozmidwifery] Do you think she will ever 'get' it?
what an awesome reply On 28/02/2006, at 10:38 PM, diane wrote: x-tad-smallerMy Response./x-tad-smaller Dear Miranda, Prof Tracey is not an impartial observer, she is however, an expert in her field. Very few studies are conducted by impartial observers. They may, like you, review some of the studies that may make it in to the popular media, and make broad, biased statements based on hearsay from people such as anaesthetists. Your statements indicate that you wish to reduce women's choices of place of birth and mistakenly state that a woman can have a drug free natural birth where there are specialists hanging in the corridors, or more accurately sticking their heads, uninvited, into a birthing woman's room and openly offering an epidural before he leaves the unit!! (Yes, this is true!!). Or the obstetrician who invites himself into the room and wants to know why she isn't progressing at the right rate, while policy and protocol has kept her immobilised on a bed by a monitor, an intravenous drip and other interventions which interfere with the woman's natural birthing hormones. Dr Tracey's research was about proving the safety of small birthing units. Outcomes for low risk women were compared according to size (number of births per annum) of the birthing unit. The study found that women who birthed in small units had significantly less medical intervention, fewer caesareans and fewer neonatal problems than women birthing within a large unit. Miranda, this study compares low risk with low risk in a variety of settings, and the smaller units win hands down to the larger ones. Keeping places like Ryde, Wyong and Belmont open, for those who are suited to these services, avoids unnecessary wasting of resources in our over-stretched health system. Would you take your child to a paediatrician for a cut knee or a sore throat?? It is most likely you would utilise your general practitioner, not the specialist. I would also like to discuss your comment on being primarily concerned for the health of mother and baby with little concern for the woman's lived experience in childbirth. Any student nurse can tell you that the notion of health encompasses far more than the physical aspect of the body. The consequences of traumatic birth experiences can be profound for the woman, baby, her family and the wider community. Post traumatic stress disorder is not uncommon, post natal depression is very common and puerperal psychosis can be triggered as well. The cost on the health system of birth related mental health disorders is enormous and the literature clearly describes the effects on the children and families of women with these problems. Breastfeeding difficulties are also far more common when women have had intervention in birth and in the early postpartum period. This equates to further unnecessary costs to the health system, as it is well documented that breastfed babies are far less likely to experience various health disorders (too many to list). You have acknowledged that the ideal situation is a woman having a natural delivery (pizza anyone???), with a midwife. This would mean, according to research, that the woman is far less likely to experience any such complications, and that such complications, if they did occur, would be recognised and appropriately managed in a timely and proficient manner. It would also mean that a woman is far less likely to be desperate for pain relief, as under the care and education provided by her midwife throughout her pregnancy, she would have few fears and trust in the process of birth, hence not embarking upon the fear/tension/pain cycle that has become epidemic since the medicalisation of childbirth. Miranda, you may well have had noble intentions when writing your article, if the government was your target why demonise midwifery and smaller birthing units? But no matter how many machines that go ping and experts to decipher them exist in the birth place, some babies will still die and occasionally a mother too. Sometimes heroic measures to save a baby, lead to catastrophe as well, despite the outcome of a 'live' baby and mother. There is a far bigger picture here. Much more than can be expressed in your tiny column in a Sunday paper. If you really care about women and babies, talk to women, see what they value and hear the stories of horror and birth rape of some who have been irrevocably damaged by the 'management' of birth. It takes more than reading and writing about a subject for ten years to fully understand it. Women do have a choice to birth where the 'best' doctors can care for them, what many women dont have, is a choice to birth where it is 'best' for them. Regards Diane
Re: [ozmidwifery] article FYI
The amalgamation of northern Sydney with the Central Coast in January, he says, has led to a transfer of resources from northern Sydney's budget to the Central Coast Yep Gosford inherited the debt, now there is an embargo on recruitment so all of us newly trained midwives that were on contract are out of jobs! No renewing of contract as Sydney midwives are being displaced, therefore our positions are the ones on offer GR And we were assured the amalmagation would be beneficial for both area health services! Ha yeah right Going now before her BP goes through the roof! and battling 24/40 pregnancy hormones. :-| Katrina
Re: [ozmidwifery] repair surgery and bf
Hi everyone My heart goes to this poor woman, it sounds like an horrific experience. Doesn't sound like the vacuum cup was on properly to cause such extenseive injuries. As for the oestrogen levels, where I work, women that have a 3rd degree tear are ordered Ovestin cream and recommended to apply to the area inside and out to assist in the healingI don't understand why this could not be an option for her, rather than weaning. Weaning sounds awfully drastic. I would suggest she seeks a 2nd and 3rd opinion first. It sounds like she could be clinging to the breastfeeding to try and have some normalcy to the eventhow cruel to take that away also. katrina On 21/02/2006, at 10:21 PM, Janet Fraser wrote: She's been told by several Obs that the lower oestrogen in her system mean her vagina won't heal. It sounds like a crock to me. I've seen bf blamed for most things wrong with babies and mothers but this was a new one to me. :( - Original Message - From: Maxine Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 10:15 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] repair surgery and bf Maybe I am being daft but what effect do lactational hormones have on surgery? I would also suggest another opinion or 2 - perhaps to a plastic surgeon also. Maxine -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Doula
Hi everyone do these courses ever run in NSW??? My employment as a midiwfe is possibly coming to an end and I am thinking of doing some doula work (maybe) so that way I can still work with birthing women. Any leads on websites or people to contact would be great. many thanks katrina On 14/02/2006, at 12:19 PM, Kelly Zantey wrote: Wow that is absolutely brilliant that Rhea's work is being spread to the Mornington Penninsula, hopefully even more after this. As a student of Rhea's this last year, I can highly recommend it as being an essential course and I would love to see Obs having to do her course as a pre-requisite to learning Obstetrics It would be great if midwives also had access to this too, learning about normal birth before being taught about medical birth. Hats off to Rhea, she's a brilliant woman and I am in awe of her work over the last 26 odd years. I hope to carry on her messages through BellyBelly to the mainstream of women. Brenda, did you instigate this? Kudos to you if you did - nice work!!! Kelly Zantey www.bellybelly.com.au On 2/13/2006, brendamanning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear all Apologies for cross - postings.. For women who feel the hearts calling to offer support to birthing women. A Birth Attendants / Doula workshop led by Rhea Dempsey beginning in March on the Mornington Peninsula. Course runs 1 day a MONTH after the initial weekend intensive on 18/19th March until November. Interested women can contact me for more information via my website: www.themidwife.com.au With kind regards Brenda Manning 'themidwife' ) -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] fear
Hi everyone thanks for the replies from everybody. One of the reasons I love this list is the sharing of information like this on people's experiences and practicce with our day to day work. :-) Katrina On 10/02/2006, at 1:30 AM, Susan Cudlipp wrote: x-tad-smallerAs there seems to be some problem with some emails not getting through I am re-sending this one/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerSue/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller- Original Message -/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerFrom:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerSusan Cudlipp/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerTo:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSent:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Monday, February 06, 2006 10:54 PM/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSubject:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Re: [ozmidwifery] fear/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerCeri/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerI have often cared for women who have resisted, or not felt any urge to push - some that have actively refused, and ended up with forceps lift outs. It was interesting to see the result for the woman I spoke of, and I can think of many other times when talking a situation through with a labouring woman has resolved some issue that is hindering them./x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerLoved Lieve's story too. And I love hearing other midwives experiences as we enrich each other in this way./x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallersue/x-tad-smallerThe only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing Edmund Burke x-tad-smaller- Original Message -/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerFrom:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerCeri Katrina/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerTo:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSent:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Monday, February 06, 2006 1:44 PM/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSubject:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Re: [ozmidwifery] fear/x-tad-smaller On 05/02/2006, at 12:36 AM, Susan Cudlipp wrote: What is your biggest fear right now? She didn't answer for a couple of contractions then suddenly burst out My biggest fear is that I won't be able to birth the baby What do you know - lip went and baby started to appear! This fascinates me too. Is is just a matter of verbalising that fear??? I know it sounds dumb, but most women when questioned say that they fear the pain.no denying that it is going to hurt, so is it a matter of just verbalising it?? On a similar matter the last couple of weks, I have had 2 women simply stump me. One with an epidural, one without. Both reached 9 then 10 cms dilation, and decided they did not want to push. They were adament they did not want to push, that they wanted the baby pulled out!!! Despite reasurrance that they could do it, and that unless they were unwell or the baby distressed, they baby would NOT be pulled out and they certainly would not be taken for a LSCS, they continued to say No I dont want to push, I'm not going to push it is going to hurt too much! They eventually had the baby when the next shift took over, but I was wondering if anyone else had encountered this before?? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/251 - Release Date: 4/02/2006
Re: [ozmidwifery] co sleeping with a 7 yo
Ask her for the study!!! I bet it is like when you ask some obs for the research of stuff they do - they can't show you cos it doesn't exist!!! Or else the study is so flawed that the results are cr*p anyway!!! :-) Katrina who is off to bed after night duty so sorry if this is a little curt!!! :-) On 29/01/2006, at 10:38 PM, Pauline wrote: x-tad-smallerThis is more of a parenting issue than a mid issue but i value any input at this stage. My 7 yo son still sleeps with me every night, although he will occasionally snuggle in with his 9 yo sister. I have never worried about it, as i figure he won't be there when he's 18. But my ex mother in law has started mentioning a psychology study that says boys who sleep with their mothers for such a long time end up with mother issues, and are abusive and violent to theri partners whne they get older. I might add that this is the same woman who was horrified that i fed both my babies till they were happy to give it up at 2 years plus. She has now got a small part of worried that i could be creating a real problem. Help!/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerPauline/x-tad-smaller
Re: [ozmidwifery] Weight gain in pregnancy
Sounds interesting! Has anyone seen the latest flyer on paracetamol use from NSW health?? Apparently you have to calculate the person's Lean Body Weight!!! What the??? Made me smile...and I know that paracetamol can be quite harmful when abused, but still thinking what the??? Katrina! (going to bed know!!) :-) On 29/01/2006, at 9:12 PM, Nicole Carver wrote: HiSamantha, Thanks for that info. We have a new computer programme at my workplace called BOS. It calculates women's BMIs (amongst other things), so this will be interesting for us to look at. Regards, Nicole. x-tad-smaller-Original Message-/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerFrom:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerOn Behalf Of /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerSamantha Saye/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerSent:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Sunday, January 29, 2006 8:35 PM/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerTo:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerSubject:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller RE: [ozmidwifery] Weight gain in pregnancy/x-tad-smallerunknown.gif>Hi all, I'm a midwifery student, and last semester completed an assignment on nutrition and weight gain in pregnancy. I repeatedly found literature that advised against losing weight in pregnancy because of all of the reasons that have already been discussed on this thread, such as the release of toxins, and the fact that an overweight woman does not necessarily mean someone who is less healthy than someone who is deemed slim. The key seemed to be adequate nutrition more than anything else. I found a guideline that recommended that women who had a BMI of less than 19.8 should gain between 12.5 to 18kg, BMI 19.8 - 26 (11.5-16kg) BMI 26-29 (7-11.5kg) and BMI larger than 29 (at least 7kg). I dont have a reference for this info, but am happy to share other references i found for the assignment. Samantha ---Original Message--- x-tad-biggerFrom:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerNicole Carver/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerDate:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger 01/29/06 20:13:02/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerTo:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerSubject:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger RE: [ozmidwifery] Weight gain in pregnancy/x-tad-bigger x-tad-smallerHi Amanda,/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerAs I said, the risks are small, and decreasing all the time. I was stating that the information that we have (about toxins being released into the blood stream when weight is lost by women who are breast feeding) should be a caution to anyone who wishes to/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller intentionally/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller lose a large amount of weight when pregnant or breast feeding. I would never ever suggest that women should stop breastfeeding because of fear of these toxins, unless the risk outweighed the benefits, and I would not be the judge of that./x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerKind regards,/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerNicole./x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller-Original Message-/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerFrom:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerOn Behalf Of /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerSynnes/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerSent:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Sunday, January 29, 2006 6:02 PM/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerTo:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerSubject:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Re: [ozmidwifery] Weight gain in pregnancy/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerI was always told that one of the best ways to get rid of extra pregnancy kilo's (usually stored as fat) was to breastfeed? whether your start weight at the beginning of pregnancy was 110kg or 50kg there will be excess fat in the body, should we stop breastfeeding for fear of these toxins? Some women like me (luckily, but only for the first month) lose weight after giving birth very rapidly without even trying, I droped 18kg in two weeks after my second baby was born (I am also overweight). Mothers and Mothers-to-be have enough stress as it is without this, I say- baby healthy, mum healthy then job well done on her behalf!/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerAren't there more toxins in the air we breath than those released by fat cells in weight loss?/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerAmanda /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller- Original Message -/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerNicole Carver/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller Sunday, January 29, 2006 1:34 PM/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller RE: [ozmidwifery] Weight gain in pregnancy/x-tad-smaller Hi all, I have been through my lactation textbooks, which are getting a bit ancient I must admit, regarding the safety or otherwise of dieting in pregnancy question. I was able to find a reference to toxins in breastmilk in Breastfeeding Matters by Maureen
Re: [ozmidwifery] test
got that one... :-) Katrina On 25/01/2006, at 1:05 PM, Alesa Koziol wrote: x-tad-smallertest. messages not getting throughis it me???/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerAlesa Koziol/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerClinical Midwifery Educator/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerMelbourne/x-tad-smaller
Re: [ozmidwifery] IV Synto for 3rd stage
Hi Kylie we actually give 5IU synto diluted in 10mls Normal saline, then flush that through with a flush. In the short time I have been in Middy even when we gave it not diluted, it was still flushed. katrina ;-) On 22/01/2006, at 2:20 PM, Ken WArd wrote: Proberly where it should sit for a normal birth. But when it is advisable to give synto, then I guess you should flush the line. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kylie Holden Sent: Sunday, 22 January 2006 12:14 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] IV Synto for 3rd stage Hi all I'm a Mid student (who has finally finished all her birth requirements...yay!) and this issue has only just come up for me over the last week or two. For the first time in two years, a midwife I was working with pointed out the importance of flushing through the synto if you have given it IV, if there was no drip running to flush it through. This obviously makes sense, because if you don't flush it, the synto will just sit in the J loop or IV line. However, I had never actually seen a midwife do this before. Over the next few days I asked a few midwives what they do, and the responses I got ranged from Why on earth would you need to do that? to Yes, of course you need to flush it! Any thoughts on this topic? Kylie _ New year, new job – there's more than 100,00 jobs at SEEK http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx? URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau_t =752315885_r=Jan05_tagline_m=EXT -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Photos of beautifull birthing rooms
Hi Paivi I found this on the internet when I was doing an assignment for uni. I have never been here, but it sure looks like a place I would want to have a baby! http://www.waterbirth.net/pages/facility.html You can get a virtual tour of the rooms and there is also a contact email if you need further information. Hope it helps Katrina On 19/01/2006, at 8:40 AM, Päivi Laukkanen wrote: x-tad-smallerHi everyone,/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerI am putting together a photo gallery to display some of the most beautiful birthing rooms in contrast of the most uncomfortable hospital delivery rooms, with some description of where they are from. The photo gallery will be presented in Tampere Finland later this spring. If you work in an environment, where the birthing rooms are really mother friendly and comfortable, or if you know some places where I could contact to get pictures, please contact me. Unfortunately I will not be able to go and take photoes, since I am back here in Finland. It would be great to get some pictures from many different countries./x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerPaivi Laukkanen/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerChildbirth Educator/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerFinland/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller[EMAIL PROTECTED]/x-tad-smaller
Re: [ozmidwifery] Peaceful birth
Congratulations Justine family thats wonderfu news. Take care of yourself and your munchkins Katrina On 06/12/2005, at 11:05 PM, Justine Caines wrote: Dear All Here’s the news and even a little pic! Thank you all so much for your lovely wishes! JC xx http://au.geocities.com/homebirthau/twins.html
Re: [ozmidwifery] Newborn Examination question
Our paeds at Gosford do it when they do the discharge check of a baby. But I never knew this was what it was called!! I thought it was something to do with the abdomen Fundus...fundoscopy!!! :-) Katrina On 01/12/2005, at 9:12 PM, B G wrote: x-tad-smallerWe do fundoscopic examination of the eyes which isn't easy, you have to be very patient for the open eyes. Barb/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller-Original Message-/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerFrom:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerOn Behalf Of /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerAndrea Quanchi/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerSent:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Thursday, 1 December 2005 6:38 PM/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerTo:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerSubject:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Re: [ozmidwifery] Newborn Examination question/x-tad-smallerI had never been aware of fundoscopy until I did my Maternal and child health when we were taught to do it as a part of newborn screening. With the exception of one GP who is from the US I have never seen anyone do it (GP or midwife) but now do it as a part of my routine newborn screening. For those not aware you are looking through the opthalmascope for the presence or absence of the red reflex which indicates that the light is hitting the retina and is therfore not obstructed by congenital cataracts. Easy to do but does require an opthalmascope and a relaxed baby who will let you look in their eyes. Andrea Q On 01/12/2005, at 6:28 PM, Helen and Graham wrote: Something happened to that last email of mine... but I wanted to say thanks to those who responded to my question. Interesting variation in responses with some workplaces requiring further accreditation for midwives to perform the newborn exam, some recommending the GP do it and some with the midwives doing it routinely themselves. For those of you who do the examination yourselves, could you please tell me if you perform fundoscopy i.e using an ophthalmoscope? And for those who require accreditation, could you tell me how this is obtained and what it consists of? Midwives do the newborn examination at my current workplace but we don't currently perform fundoscopy. Thanks again for your responses. Helen - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Newborn Examination question T - Original Message - From: Judy Chapman To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Newborn Examination question We do the newborn examination after birth but then recommend that they go for the 5 - 10 day well baby check with their GP. This is just since we have been working as a birth centre. Cheers Judy Helen and Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Hi everyone I have a question regarding midwives performing the newborn examination postnatally prior to discharge. Having worked in several hospitals, I am used to this exam being performed by a doctor/paediatrician. The midwife does an initial check at birth but on about day 3 o! r 4, or at least prior to discharge, a thorough physical examination performed, including fundoscopy etc. by a doctor. Interested in your experiences and for those of you who do perform it, have you had any further education on the subject? Cheers Helen Cahill Do you Yahoo!? Find a local business fast with Yahoo! Local Search __ NOD32 1.1309 (20051130) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: St John's Wort / Waratah
Hi Janet thanks for the info I have my own little world, but it's OK they know me here. On 16/11/2005, at 6:37 PM, Janet Fraser wrote: I bought waratah online (along with a handful of others for my PTSD etc) from http://www.ausflowers.com.au They're really helpful and friendly. It's a flower essence in puified water and brandy of which you take 7 drops under the tongue for a certain period of time. It's good to see a practitioner as they diagnose not unlike a homeopath with very specific essences for what ails you. I can't sing their praises highly enough and I have a big list for pregnancy, birth and recovering from traumatic birth on my forums. HTH. : ) J - Original Message - From: Ceri Katrina [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 5:34 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: St John's Wort / Waratah On 16/11/2005, at 10:34 AM, Janet Fraser wrote: Waratah is the BEST for depression. Just wondering what do you do with it and where do you get it from???/ katrina :-) -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Re: St John's Wort / Waratah
On 16/11/2005, at 10:34 AM, Janet Fraser wrote: Waratah is the BEST for depression. Just wondering what do you do with it and where do you get it from???/ katrina :-) -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] PND
Hi everyone just on the PND topic...does anyone know of alternatives to medicalised treatment, I got info of hear some time ago on Bach flowers, but am at the 'acute' stage if you can call it that where my friend has already been hospitilised - discharged - needing to be hospitlised again. It just seems as if she is getting a huge run around, with the psychiatrists totally thinking she has no ability to think for herself. Although she is quite sick, she still knows what she wants and what she is thinking. I am at the stage of trying to find alternatives (again) to the medical side. Has anyone had any experience with retreats or anything... looking forward to responses Katrina You are the only person on earth who can use your ability. x-tad-bigger- Zig Ziglar/x-tad-bigger On 25/10/2005, at 1:44 PM, suzi and brett wrote: x-tad-smallerLyell McEwin Hsp has a PND group - contact Tracy Semner Booth 81829000 - im not sure how great it is - ive heard anecdotally good things - but obviously its in the nrth suburbs. She can also access one to one appointments with Tracey./x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSuzi Hoff/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller- Original Message -/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerFrom:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerSylvia Boutsalis/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerTo:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSent:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Friday, October 21, 2005 8:18 AM/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSubject:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller [ozmidwifery] postnatal depression - urgent/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerA friend of a friend says that she is suffering from postnatal depression. Are there any associations that may help her?/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerI know about beyond blue. Specifically, are there any in Adelaide?/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerThanks in advance/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSylvia Boutsalis/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerAdelaide/x-tad-smaller
Re: [ozmidwifery] support people in OT
As yet we don't routinely get the recovery time happening. Midwife, dad and baby meet mum back on the ward after recovery... It is usually only when we have a quieter time or lots of staff, or nice recovery staff that we can get into recovery. Hopefully this will change in the future Katrina attachment: smallnps2.jpg www.niagaraparkshow.com.au On 18/10/2005, at 8:34 AM, Cheryl LHK wrote: Thanks, it does sound rather crowded doesn't it? We had the em LUSCS at 2330 on the weekend (pretty normal time isn't it?) and I had just come on for the night. Hubby and Mum had been there the whole day with her, obstructed labour at fully. Primep. So I went and saw her GP and asked him if he had a problem with Mum coming in as well. So the GP anaes sat them up near Mum's head after her spinal, and babe came out screeching, so he was wrapped and I plonked myself inbetween the anaes machine and GP surgeon and held baby beside her face so he could nuzzle her and hubby/Nanna (now) had cuddles, then we all trotted out to recovery and bub went straight into bed with Mum, BF beautifully... it was quite a pleasant night all round actually. I just sat warming myself at the resusataire doing the paperwork watching this gorgeous family chattering away and just enjoying their new little man. I suppose being the small hospital, we don't have students, paeds' etc, and also a huge OT room. It's interesting what you say about GA's though. I'm sure our fathers are allowed in once the anaes is settled and she is draped, then they come in and sit with the midwife in the corner and get to hold the baby, go to recovery with baby and meet Mum there. I know personally one grandma who was at our hospital for both of her grandchildren's LUCSCs and in the OT with her camera!! She had a great time! Anyway, off for the school run Cheryl From: Ceri Katrina [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] support people in OT Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:00:33 +1000 HI Cheryl not sure if it is protocol as such, but at Gosford if it is an emergencey Code 1 LSCS, and the women is under a GA, then no support people are allowed in theatre at all. If it is a lesser code or elective, then the partner/husband can be present. I have not heard of more than this number. It gets pretty cramped by the time you have the Ob, registrar or/and resident, anaestheitist, anaesthetic nurse, scout nurse, and scrub nurse plus the midwife and midwife student if there is one. Plus we have the paeds present so there is at least 2 more doctors. If it is twins there is a paed and midwife for each baby.!!! Katrina :-) smallnps2.jpg >> www.niagaraparkshow.com.au On 17/10/2005, at 12:44 PM, Cheryl LHK wrote: Do any hospitals have set protocols on number of support people going to OT for LUSCS be they elective or emerg? Just interested. Cheryl -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] support people in OT
HI Cheryl not sure if it is protocol as such, but at Gosford if it is an emergencey Code 1 LSCS, and the women is under a GA, then no support people are allowed in theatre at all. If it is a lesser code or elective, then the partner/husband can be present. I have not heard of more than this number. It gets pretty cramped by the time you have the Ob, registrar or/and resident, anaestheitist, anaesthetic nurse, scout nurse, and scrub nurse plus the midwife and midwife student if there is one. Plus we have the paeds present so there is at least 2 more doctors. If it is twins there is a paed and midwife for each baby.!!! Katrina :-) attachment: smallnps2.jpg www.niagaraparkshow.com.au On 17/10/2005, at 12:44 PM, Cheryl LHK wrote: Do any hospitals have set protocols on number of support people going to OT for LUSCS be they elective or emerg? Just interested. Cheryl -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] gosford mws
Hi Emily I work at Gosford. I am working tomorrow morning (saturday) but then am on a weeks leave. How long is your placement??? Katrina attachment: smallnps2.jpg www.niagaraparkshow.com.au On 14/10/2005, at 5:30 PM, Emily wrote: hi i was just wondering if anyone from this list works at gosford hospital as i just started a placement there love emily brendamanning [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: x-tad-smallerYes, too small in the actual unit./x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerOnly bath size./x-tad-smallerKind Regards Brenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au x-tad-smaller- Original Message -/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerFrom:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerKelly @ BellyBelly/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerTo:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSent:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Friday, October 14, 2005 3:30 PM/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSubject:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller RE: [ozmidwifery] Birth Pool Hire/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerYep - she said the pool there was small and wanted a bigger one?/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerBest Regards,/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerKelly Zantey/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerDirector, /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerwww.toys4tikes.com.au/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerGentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth Baby/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerAustralian Little Tikes Specialists/x-tad-smaller ! x-tad-smallerFrom:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller[EMAIL PROTECTED]/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerOn Behalf Of /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerbrendamanning/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSent:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Friday, 14 October 2005 1:56 PM/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerTo:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSubject:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Pool Hire/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerKelly,/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerDoes this client know that Wonthaggi Hospital has a lovely midwife led team there who do waterbirths?/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerTheir team leader I used to do homebirths here together they are part of BAss Coast Health at Wonthahaggi. One of the MW on their team is having a homebirth herself shortly is hiring Andrea Bilcliffs pool for it./x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerWaterbirths are my special area of interest !/x-tad-smaller Kind Regards Brenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au x-tad-smaller- Original Message -/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerFrom:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerKelly @ BellyBelly/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerTo:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSent:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Friday, October 14, 2005 10:40 AM/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSubject:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller RE: [ozmidwifery] Birth Pool Hire/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerHere are the details of the woman looking for a pool, anyone?/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerHi Kelly,/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerthankyou for your offer of more information./x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerWe live in a small town in South Gippsland called Glen Alvie. The nearest major towns are Leongatha (where the hospital we have chosen is), Korumburra and Wonthaggi, not too far away is Phillip Island. The closest bigger towns are Cranbourne and then Dandenong. I am hoping to be able to hire a pool from one of those places, obviously the closer to the hospital the better I guess./x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerOur EDD is April 19th 2006 so we have lots of time to plan./x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerIf you need any more information please let me know and thanks again for your help./x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerVanessa/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerBest Regards,/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerKelly Zantey/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerDirector, /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerwww.toys4tikes.com.au/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerGentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth Baby/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerAustralian Little Tikes Specialists/x-tad-smaller ! x-tad-smallerFrom:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerOn Behalf Of /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerMary Murphy/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSent:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Thursday, 13 October 2005 9:05 PM/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerTo:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSubject:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller RE: [ozmidwifery] Birth Pool Hire/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerThe Midwifery Natural
Re: [ozmidwifery] Watch Out The Ezzo's Are in Town!!
I know this is probaby a dumb question, but who are the Ezzo's??? Katrina On 28/09/2005, at 9:07 PM, Abby and Toby wrote: Hi, I hardly post here anymore but thought this was worth mentioning. If I had known earlier I would've been campaigning! The Ezzo's are in Victor Harbour, SA for the GFA National Conference this weekend. I can't imagine anything worse than spending a weekend listening to babies being left to cry and watching children getting smacked and disrespected! Not sure what anyone could do, but if I was there I would be picketing and yelling for childrens rights! Love Abby -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Reg form for Lina Clerke Workshop.
thanks Sonja keep me posted if you need extra numbers... Katrina attachment: smallnps2.jpg www.niagaraparkshow.com.au On 26/09/2005, at 4:33 PM, Sonja wrote: x-tad-smallerThe Macarthur Midwives have invited Lina to a facilitate a workshop in NSW. We are still undecided whether to hold it this year or wait until the Feb next year./x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerSonja/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller- Original Message -/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerFrom:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerCeri Katrina/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerTo:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSent:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Sunday, September 25, 2005 6:27 PM/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSubject:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Re: [ozmidwifery] Reg form for Lina Clerke Workshop./x-tad-smaller is this coming to NSW Katrina On 25/09/2005, at 5:04 PM, brendamanning wrote: ‘Facilitating Instinctive Birth’ Workshop with Lina Clerke Registration form I need this completed returned for definite numbers. Name ___ Address __ postcode Phone number __ E-mail _ Workshop date:19thOctober 2005 Time: 09:30hrs to 16:00hrs Venue: Rosebud Hospital Point Nepean Rd Rosebud. 3939. Profession _ How did you find out about the workshop? BYO LUNCH Students: $20 Visitors: $50 Peninsula Health Employees: No Cost Amount paid _ Please make Cheque / Money Orderpayable to: ‘the midwife’ and send with this form to: Brenda Manning 79 Besgrove Street Rosebud. 3939 p/f: 03 59 862535 [EMAIL PROTECTED] OR email form Direct Credit fee via Netbank to: A/C No: 063540 10359680 You will receive a receipt (by mail or email ) which you need to present on the day as verification of booking payment. Thank you we will look forward to seeing you there for a great day !! Brenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au mine.gif>brendamanning.vcf>
Re: [ozmidwifery] Reg form for Lina Clerke Workshop.
is this coming to NSW Katrina On 25/09/2005, at 5:04 PM, brendamanning wrote: ‘Facilitating Instinctive Birth’ Workshop with Lina Clerke Registration form x-tad-biggerI need this completed returned for definite numbers./x-tad-biggerx-tad-smallerName ___/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Address /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller __ postcode /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Phone number/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller __/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller E-mail _/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-biggerWorkshop date:19/x-tad-biggerthx-tad-biggerOctober 2005 Time: 09:30hrs to 16:00hrs /x-tad-biggerVenue: Rosebud Hospital Point Nepean Rd Rosebud. 3939. x-tad-smallerProfession _/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerHow did you find out about the workshop? /x-tad-smallerBYO LUNCHx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerStudents: $20 Visitors: $50/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger Peninsula Health Employees: No Cost/x-tad-biggerx-tad-smallerAmount paid _ /x-tad-smallerPlease make x-tad-biggerCheque / Money Order /x-tad-biggerpayable to: ‘x-tad-biggerthe midwife/x-tad-bigger’ and send with this form to: Brenda Manning 79 Besgrove Street Rosebud. 3939 p/f: 03 59 862535 [EMAIL PROTECTED] x-tad-biggerOR email form Direct Credit fee via Netbank to: A/C No: 063540 10359680 /x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerYou will receive a receipt (by mail or email ) which you need to present on the day as verification of booking payment./x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerThank you we will look forward to seeing you there for a great day !!/x-tad-bigger Brenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au mine.gif>brendamanning.vcf>
Re: [ozmidwifery] perinatal stats
hahaha No Brenda, I was thinking the EXACT same thing so there is at least 2 of us admitting to the freaky sense of humour!! katrina :-) attachment: smallnps2.jpg www.niagaraparkshow.com.au On 20/09/2005, at 2:50 PM, brendamanning wrote: Every time I see the Dept of BDM mentioned I think of: Bondage, Domination Masochism !! Or is that just my freaky sense of humour ?? BM x-tad-smaller- Original Message -/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerFrom:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerSally Westbury/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerTo:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSent:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Tuesday, September 20, 2005 10:20 AM/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSubject:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller RE: [ozmidwifery] perinatal stats/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerI wonder what a letter from BDM would feel like for the parents. I think that if I got a letter from them I would wonder if what my midwife was doing was legal. Then the parents are being asked to police midwifery practice. These forms are not mandatory are we perhaps need to respect the decisions each practitioner makes./x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerLabels of lazy are not helpful./x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller Sally Westbury Homebirth Midwife Learn from mothers and babies; every one of them has a unique story to tell. Look for wisdom in the humblest places - that's usually where you'll find it. — Lois Wilson
Fwd: [ozmidwifery] test
yay I seem to be back on the list! attachment: smallnps2.jpg www.niagaraparkshow.com.au Begin forwarded message: From: Ceri Katrina [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 19 September 2005 3:41:39 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] test Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au just testing whether this is going through Katrina attachment: smallnps2.jpg www.niagaraparkshow.com.au
[ozmidwifery] test
just testing whether this is going through Katrina attachment: smallnps2.jpg www.niagaraparkshow.com.au
Re: [ozmidwifery] Noises in labour
still missing messages...anyone have any ideas.. (email me off list as the list ones are not coming through...I have not changed any filters and junk settings either.) Katrina :-( On 10/09/2005, at 12:33 PM, Mary Murphy wrote: x-tad-smallerWhat a great illustration of the power of woman centred birth! Thank you for sharing. MM/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerIt was an amazing birth to witness because you could see the change in power in the relationship – as she became stronger and louder, he seemed to shrink./x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerThe relationship did appear to revert in the days after the birth, but I believe the strength and confidence she discovered during her birth helped her to breastfeed./x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerThis is one birth that will live in my memory forever./x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerJacky/x-tad-smaller
[ozmidwifery] missed messages
Hi everyone has the list been quiet, or have messages not been getting through I recieved no messages on the 7th and only a few since, but it appears I missed the beginning of the thread Anyone else having this hassle? Katrina www.niagaraparkshow.com.au
Re: [ozmidwifery] Emailing: video05 you will like this
I got it, it was a email link for a video of a guy having a baby in a very medicalised setting. On 03/09/2005, at 3:51 AM, Gloria Lemay wrote: x-tad-smallermy virus scanner eliminated it. Gloria/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller- Original Message -/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerFrom:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerSusan Cudlipp/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerTo:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSent:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Friday, September 02, 2005 8:06 AM/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSubject:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Re: [ozmidwifery] Emailing: video05 you will like this/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerIs this a genuine message or a virus?/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerI thought that attachments could not be sent to the list - please all be cautious and do not open unless it is verified/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerThe only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerEdmund Burke/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller- Original Message -/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerFrom:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerlyn lyn/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerTo:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSent:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Friday, September 02, 2005 7:16 PM/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSubject:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller [ozmidwifery] Emailing: video05 you will like this/x-tad-smaller The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: Shortcut to: http://www.clubcultura.com/haymotivo/video05.htm Note: To protect against computer viruses, e-mail programs may prevent sending or receiving certain types of file attachments. Check your e-mail security settings to determine how attachments are handled. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/88 - Release Date: 1/09/2005
Re: [ozmidwifery] Re:BF video
thanks! it is extremely cute. I had the whole family in stitches. Katrina attachment: smallnps2.jpg www.niagaraparkshow.com.au On 28/08/2005, at 8:51 AM, Judy Chapman wrote: Coming, and to you as well Ken. Judy --- Ceri Katrina [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is it possible to get a copy??? Everyone's replies has me curious... :-) Katrina On 27/08/2005, at 7:27 PM, Ken WArd wrote: I would love to see this video too, please. Maureen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Vedrana ValÄŸiÄΩ Sent: Saturday, 27 August 2005 5:02 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Re:BF video You're welcome! Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joy Cocks Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 8:20 AM To: Ozmidwifery Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re:BF video Dear Vedrana, Thanks so much for the video...I love it!! Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI: birth on Holland's Big Brother
whatever will they think of next?? On 28/08/2005, at 10:05 PM, Megan Larry wrote: Big Brother baby From: Reuters From correspondents in Amsterdam August 28, 2005 DUTCH authorities are investigating plans by the producers of the Big Brother reality television show to include a pregnant contestant who will give birth on the show. Talpa, the new television station launched earlier this month by the billionaire creator of Big Brother John de Mol, will broadcast a new series from Sunday in which a contestant is due to give birth six weeks into the show. A spokeswoman for the social affairs and labor ministry confirmed a report in De Telegraaf daily on Saturday that inspectors were examining a request by Big Brother producers for the newborn baby to be allowed to appear on the program. The Netherlands has strict rules governing young children acting on television, in films or on the stage. The ruling Christian Democrats have condemned the idea of a birth on the live show, but the 27-year-old pregnant contestant identified only as Tanja defended the idea. I think that my child will be proud of it later, she told De Telegraaf. The show's director Hummie van der Tonnekreek said Tanja would be well looked after in the Big Brother house, where a group of 12 strangers are locked in together and gradually voted out by the audience. She will get the maximum attention and care, Van der Tonnekreek said. Versions of the show first aired in the Netherlands in 1999 have since been produced in dozens of countries worldwide.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Re:BF video
Is it possible to get a copy??? Everyone's replies has me curious... :-) Katrina On 27/08/2005, at 7:27 PM, Ken WArd wrote: I would love to see this video too, please. Maureen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Vedrana Valčić Sent: Saturday, 27 August 2005 5:02 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Re:BF video You're welcome! Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joy Cocks Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 8:20 AM To: Ozmidwifery Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re:BF video Dear Vedrana, Thanks so much for the video...I love it!! Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding
that is so adorable! attachment: smallnps2.jpg www.niagaraparkshow.com.au On 25/08/2005, at 8:47 PM, Tania Smallwood wrote: Must weigh in on this delightful thread with my 'stopping' breastfeeding story... Jake turned 4 in July, about 3 months beforehand, when he was down to one feed in the evenings, if that, he told me that he thought he'd nearly drank all my milk. I agreed that he had indeed drunk a lot of milk in his time, and the next night he had a few sucks, sat up and said I think I've just had my last mouthfuls! And that was that! Tania x -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Intermittent auscultation
Hi Sally do you know when it was published?? I have access to the journal but if you have the dates it narrows it down a lot Katrina x-tad-smallerDoes anyone have access to this guideline??/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerThe AWHONN (/x-tad-smallerunknown.gif>x-tad-smaller) guidelines which accept q10 minutes for low risk situations/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller Sally Westbury Homebirth Midwife Learn from mothers and babies; every one of them has a unique story to tell. Look for wisdom in the humblest places - that's usually where you'll find it. — Lois Wilson
Re: [ozmidwifery] Thrush Treatment
What is Reynaud's Syndrome?? On 06/08/2005, at 11:42 PM, JoFromOz wrote: Fiona Rumble wrote:x-tad-smallerJo, have you ruled out Reynaud's Syndrome?/x-tad-smallerRegards Fiona Rumble Cheers :) Jo
Re: [ozmidwifery] QLD midwives
Thanks Jenny :-) attachment: smallnps2.jpg www.niagaraparkshow.com.au On 04/08/2005, at 4:34 PM, Jennifer Price wrote:
Re: [ozmidwifery] sounds during labour/birth
I have found this thread really interesting. When I had my babies, I remember getting quite vocal, especially with the first. My midwife said tp me at one stage. 'Katrina, you need to stop screaming, all the other women can hear you down the hallway! As she turned around and walked away, I promplty made some rude silent gestures at her and refocused slightly but continued in my noisy way! Babe number 2, was a low gutteral groan in my throat (probably during 2nd stage) if I really think about when, to the point where I had a saw throat the next day. But it felt good and its what I needed to do. I find birth noises par for the course, a beautiful part of a labour that goes with the blood, the leaks, the mess. Where I work, we do not have sound proof rooms, but the variety of women that birth there is as varied as their pregnancy experiences. Some are quiet and the first you know is the scream of the baby, others you hear screaming for an hour before the babe is born. I find most of our midwives are pretty good with it, it is, as people have already commented, often the partner or support people who need the pethidine. katrina attachment: smallnps2.jpg www.niagaraparkshow.com.au On 05/08/2005, at 4:16 AM, Gloria Lemay wrote: Thanks for this delightful post, Miriam, it made my day. Gloria in Canada - Original Message - From: Miriam Hannay [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 1:29 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] sounds during labour/birth Hello all, I vividly remember warning our elderly neighbours about the imminent home birth of our first child. They said 'make all the noise you like' and I did. Birthing my second babe on a hot summers day, i knelt in the birth pool and hung my sweaty head out the window in an attempt to catch some breeze. The next day our neighbour walked her dog past and told me 'I heard you having your baby yesterday, it was so exciting!!' I was just as noisy with number three and four, and simply can't imagine for myself feeling inhibited by the echo and resonance of my body during labour. I'm sure the cow noises opened that cervix up a treat! As a student I have since birthed with many women who felt compelled to remain silent during labour, not all of them because they wanted to, but because they needed to be 'good girls'. I have also birthed with a woman who ordered me to make the noise too, the look on the shift coordinator's face when she poked her head in the door to find a student midwife kneeling on the floor, rocking her hips and roaring like a lion was a sight to behold I can tell you. Every woman is different but I so wish all birthing women could feel open to the sounds of their birthing power. For midwives those sounds offer a 'labour assessment tool' far less invasive and often more accurate than any VE. Bring on the Bellows Regards, Miriam (2nd year Bmid FUSA) --- Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: one thing that is coming out of literature which asks women about their fears is that women significantly worry about how they will act in labour. A huge Italian study found that it is one of the highest rated fears women have. In my study it is certainly a reason that women use drugs or epidural, or find relief in that they stop behaving badly once the drugs shut them up/enable compliance. A huge part of womens reflections of labour iis embarresssment in how they behaved. I think this is important to address because the idea of being quiet, compliant, neat, tidy as in NOT messy, leaky noisy sweaty - really drives womens fears and the choices they then make for labour. It is a great shame that women have particular expectations of their behavior that is in no way reassuring, okay, normal, wonderful, strong and vital to birth. Belinda Luke M Priddis wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm a 1st year student midwife in NSW, i have asked a few questions on > here before! I'm doing a group presentation with a creative arts > element on the sounds women make during labour and birth - eg, how it > can be beneficial, how some women don't make any noise (like myself!), > and what society/media find or portray as being acceptable. > > Has anyone come across any research on this, read any good articles? > > Thanks for any help you may have, I find this group a fantastic point > of information and inspiration : ) > > Holly (mum of four) > -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: Now with unlimited storage http://au.photos.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] QLD midwives
Hi list Are there any midwives in Brisbane on the list? I have a friend moving up to QLD and will be starting work at the Mater, and was hoping to put her in contact with some people already up there. thanks in anticpation Katrina :-) attachment: smallnps2.jpg www.niagaraparkshow.com.au
Re: [ozmidwifery] intermittent auscultation
Hi listers I will check our policies at work when I am there next, but all our policies have research that is referenced to it! So I will check our monitoring policy and let you know :-) Katrina attachment: smallnps2.jpg www.niagaraparkshow.com.au
[ozmidwifery] 3rd degree tears
Hi Listers while we are on the subject of guidelines research etc, what are policies etc when dealing with woman having had 3rd tear? Do they routinely get aperients? What about ovestin cream? and follow-up appointments? I would be interested to hear other places protocols thanks katrina -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] story sharing
Hi everyone I had an awesome day today and just have to share it with someone!! Just sharing a story with you, today i presented my speech about how the media influences the thinking and perception of birthing women (I posted awhile ago regarding references) to my fellow uni students and other 'midwifery heirarchy' and educators etc. After making myself tachycardic from stress, I got up and let it rip with my speech, had an absolute ball as I got into it and lots of fun with the powerpoint presentation I had created!!! Ended up slightly overtime, but noone seemed to mind as I think the enthusiasm showed through! Take care Katrina PS for those going to the ICM, have an awesome time. PPS Thanks Jo for the ref on the article, I was able to use it in the presentation attachment: smallnps2.jpg www.niagaraparkshow.com.au
[ozmidwifery] Message for Jo Pelvic Floor Research - Archive Question
Hi Jo just postimg an email here, not sure if you got my offlist one. Katrina Hi Jo I was going through the archives this morning and came across an old post of yours that you posted relating to the CS and Tracy Curro on 60 minutes... You said x-tad-smaller an Australian study has shown that lack of pelvic floor exercises and pregnancy hormones affect the function of the pelvic floor and CS birth can do nothing to prevent it. Do you have the reference for this article? I am looking for research on this very topic for a speech for uni Thanks Katrina/x-tad-smaller www.niagaraparkshow.com.au
Re: [ozmidwifery] Message for Jo Pelvic Floor Research - Archive Question
thanks Jo, thats awesome! Katrina On 11/07/2005, at 9:47 PM, Dean Jo wrote: x-tad-smallerHere is the abstract for the study but you might have to get further details regarding the things I mentioned./x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerCheers Jo/x-tad-smaller Caesarean Section Does Not Reduce Risk of Pelvic Floor Dysfunction unknown.gif> ADELAIDE, Australia (Reuters Health) Dec 01 - Caesarean section only marginally reduces the risk of pelvic floor dysfunction after delivery compared with vaginal delivery, according to the results of an Australian study. The research team, from Adelaide University, defined pelvic floor dysfunction as any type of incontinence, symptoms of prolapse, or previous pelvic floor surgery. Lead researcher Dr. Alastair MacLennan and colleagues surveyed 3010 adults aged 15 to 97 years, who did not reside in an institution, and found that while 46.2% of women had current or past pelvic floor dysfunction, only 11.1% of men did. Of particular note, the authors say, was the prevalence of pelvic floor dysfunction in women when differing modes of delivery were compared. Nulliparity resulted in a 12.4% prevalence of pelvic floor dysfunction, followed by caesarean section (43%), spontaneous vaginal delivery (58%), and instrumental delivery (64%). The team also found that when spontaneous vaginal delivery and/or instrumental delivery were compared with caesarean section, only urge incontinence was associated with a significantly higher prevalence following vaginal delivery. The data are reported in the December issue of the British Journal of Obstetrics and Gynaecology. In an interview with Reuters Health, Dr. MacLennan pointed out that there is a new phenomenon in the last 10 years, of women wanting caesarean section to prevent future troubles, but 80% of the problems a woman having a vaginal delivery has, also happen to a women having a caesarean section. He concluded that women who have had children are four to five times more likely to be incontinent than a virgin female, and 10 times more likely than a male. We hadn't realised the incidence was so high. Br J Obstet Gynaecol 2000;107:1460-1470. x-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller-Original Message-/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerFrom:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerOn Behalf Of /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerCeri Katrina/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSent:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Monday, July 11, 2005 5:34 PM/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerTo:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSubject:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller [ozmidwifery] Message for Jo Pelvic Floor Research - Archive Question/x-tad-smaller Hi Jo just postimg an email here, not sure if you got my offlist one. Katrina Hi Jo I was going through the archives this morning and came across an old post of yours that you posted relating to the CS and Tracy Curro on 60 minutes... You said an Australian study has shown that lack of pelvic floor exercises and pregnancy hormones affect the function of the pelvic floor and CS birth can do nothing to prevent it. Do you have the reference for this article? I am looking for research on this very topic for a speech for uni Thanks Katrina www.niagaraparkshow.com.au x-tad-smaller--/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller No virus found in this incoming message./x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller Checked by AVG Anti-Virus./x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.11/45 - Release Date: 7/9/2005/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller--/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller No virus found in this outgoing message./x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Checked by AVG Anti-Virus./x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.11/45 - Release Date: 7/9/2005/x-tad-smaller
Re: [ozmidwifery] broken collar bone subsequent birth
The Gaskin is a 'midwifery' manoevure, and was pioneered by Ina May Gaskin, so not talked about (at least where I work) in conjunction with the McRoberts and Rubins etc. It is where you get the woman to go over on all fours. We have one midwife that actually believes it is the movement, rather than the all fours, she finds if the woman is semi-recumbent, then all fours is good. And if the woman is already on all fours then she gets her to flip back to semi recumbent which in most cases is all that is needed. Hope that helps. I think (?) a lot of midwives probably do this manoevure, but just did not know it had a name. Katrina On 25/06/2005, at 10:11 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi can some one enlighten me about the gaskin manoeuvre i have been taught the rubiks and the woods screw but havnt heard of the gaskin manovure. thanks sharon Janet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can I ask, is the bone breaking manoeuvre being employed AFTER the Gaskin Manoeuvre has been unsuccessful? Thanks. J - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 3:52 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] broken collar bone subsequent birth Jennifer wrote: A # clavicle is not a big issue in a neonate and doesn't necessarily mean excessive force was used. The neonates bones are pliable and the # is usually a 'greenstick' or partial break or Well, I have NEVER seen a #clavicle in 26 yrs of both hospital home midwifery, even in big babies where some force has been used. MM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] post LUSCS analgesia
We use 1g panadol and 100mg doloxene given (usually) together, and then 400mg ibuprofen in between if they need it. Usually they have the intrathecal morphine, but can also come back from theatre with either a PCA (patient controlled analgesia) with morphine, or pethidine or fentanyl. Or thy have a PCEA (patient controlled epidural analgesia). Katrina On 22/06/2005, at 10:44 PM, Andrea Quanchi wrote: What I am used to is the women having a spinal and that 1-2mg morphine is put in the spinal. The woman has a voltaren 100mg supp whilst in theatre post op and then BD or swaps to oral 50mg as chosen. We start giving regular panadol within 24 hours usually prior to getting her up or as needed but encourage the woman to ask for it regulkarly and we find this is all they need. What often happens is that they wait for midwives to offer it and then need panadeine but I find if you give the panadol regularly with the oral voltaren this is usually adequate. Andrea Q On 22/06/2005, at 5:51 PM, sally williams wrote: Was wondering what other units use as a pain relief regime for women that have had LUSCS. There is much angst in our unit at present, with midwives coming from lots of different hospitals used to different regimes. I am in the process of initiating a pathway for this so that we can adopt a regime that everyone is comfortable with and then putting it to the docs, references and all. Thanks in advance Sally -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Premature babes
Hi everyone Just a question, slightly off topic... Just wondering if premature babies are more at risk for having fragile bones as they grow up?? And if formula impacts on bone density also, they had no breastmilk, only formula Thanks Katrina There are four basic food groups-milk chocolate, dark chocolate, white chocolate, and chocolate truffles. -Anonymous
Re: [ozmidwifery] Media
Hi Tania This article was one of the ones I have. thanks though Katrina :-) On 05/06/2005, at 2:40 PM, Tania Smallwood wrote: Hi Katrina MIDIRS June 2004 Vol 14 Number 2 Whose interests are served by the portrayal of childbearing women in popular magazines for women? by Gabrielle Williams and Kathleen Fahy, from Australian Midwifery Journal 2004. Not sure if this one is available online from MIDIRS but if you like the sound of it you could probably find it at your local uni library if they subscribe, or ACMI branch. If not, let me know, and I can copy it and send it to you Tania X -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ceri Katrina Sent: Saturday, 4 June 2005 5:19 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Media Hi everyone I am wondering if anyone has any articles or references that could help with how the media influences women's perceptions of childbirth and pregnancy?? I am doing a seminar presentation for uni, and have some articles (10) at this stage, but searching the databases last night did not prove to be very forthcoming with articles. Thanks Katrina -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] sexual abuse and labour
x-tad-biggerHi Sally We looked at this at uni, here are the references I had for one of my assignments. Hope they are useful. /x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerBurian, J. (n.d.). /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerHelping survivors of sexual abuse through labour./x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger Retrieved September 9, 2004 from /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerhttp://www.gentlebirth.org/archives/abuselbr.html /x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger Kendall-Tackett. K. (1998). Breastfeeding and the sexual abuse survivor. /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerJournal of Human Lactation 14/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger, (2) 125-130. /x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger Prentice, J.C., Lu, M.C., Lange, l., Halfon, N. (2002). The association between reported childhood sexual abuse and breastfeeding initiation. /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerJournal of Human Lactation 18/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger, (3) 219-226. /x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger Seng, J.S., Hassinger, J.A. (1998). Relationship strategies and interdisciplinary collaboration: Improving maternity care with survivors of childhood sexual abuse. /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerJournal of Nurse-Midwifery 43/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger (4), 287-295. Prescott, A. (2002). Childhood sexual abuse and the potential impact on maternity. Retrieved September 7, 2004 from http://www.theawarenesscenter.org/pregnancy.html (this site actually has 3 articles that appear on the page when it is loaded) Katrina :-) /x-tad-bigger On 06/06/2005, at 6:36 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: could anyone point in the direction of research about the effects of sexual abuse (childhood or as an adult) has on labour. I was having a conversation with a friend of mine and she finds it difficult to believe that the psychological can interrupt the physiological. Thanks Sally ___ NOCC, http://nocc.sourceforge.net -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Media
Hi everyone I am wondering if anyone has any articles or references that could help with how the media influences women's perceptions of childbirth and pregnancy?? I am doing a seminar presentation for uni, and have some articles (10) at this stage, but searching the databases last night did not prove to be very forthcoming with articles. Thanks Katrina -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Media
Hi Justine I was actually meaning journal artciles etc, I'm only too aware of the glossy magazine artciles! But was looking for research that has been done on it. :-) Katrina On 04/06/2005, at 7:55 PM, Justine Caines wrote: Are you serious? Every other New Idea and Womens Weekly has a childbirth drama. Brooke Shields is on this months with PND (she had a c/s) Last month's had 3 stories all c/s. I have that copy (God knows why so can scan and send!) They all sat childbirth is a totally unmanageable and pregnancy is to be endured and then all you get is fat!!! But if you run 5 hrs a day a week after you give birth you'll shift those pregnancy kilos! JC -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] New to list - Hi
Hello from the Central Coast of NSW Katrina On 04/06/2005, at 6:02 PM, Nicola Morley wrote: Thanks Janet, but I am on the Central Coast of NSW. Anyone know anyone real life around here? Nicola -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janet Fraser Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 5:37 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] New to list - Hi Hi Nicola, there are real life ones too and I couldn't recommend Rhea Dempsey more highly but she's in Melbourne and I don't know where you are. :-D Janet Joyous Birth Home Birth Forum - a world first! http://www.joyousbirth.info/forums/ Accessing Artemis Birth Trauma Recovery http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/accessingartemis -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] MidResearch
On the topic of research, does anyone have any evidence on why we take BP on the right arm antenatally?? And any other guidelines or evidence on 'how' to take the BP??? thanks Katrina -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Bugs in this system - email difficulties
Go the Mac They Rock! :-) On 28/05/2005, at 7:59 PM, Andrea Quanchi wrote: or go for a mac you dont have any trouble assocuiated with windows at all Andrea Q On 28/05/2005, at 3:59 PM, Jennifairy wrote: Actually, to go one step further, my advice is to either switch from Window$ to Linux or some other free, 'open source' but eminently better operating system, or if you *must* use Window$, use Netscape or Mozilla as your browser for mail net most viruses are targetted to the programs that come bundled with Window$ - Outlook Internet Explorer have been known for a long time now to be *the* most virus-prone programs on the planet http://www.mozilla.org/ for either the entire kit, or d/load Thunderbird for email Firefox for browsing separately... http://browser.netscape.com/ns8/ for Netscape... cheers Jennifairy (computer geek in a former life - but who hasnt had a virus - *any* virus - in over 3 years) PS - Linux is free, you can d/load it off the net, the kernel is open to all who want to play with software design (so its continually being improved), nobody is making squillions of $$ from it; can do everything Window$ can do, is completely *virus-free* - no spyware, no 'patches', just an unbreakable system. Worth a look http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=02/03/09/1727250 B G wrote: There is a huge Trojan virus at the present time. Despite all the protection I have on this machine we were hit. Twice daily viral updates and zone alarm firewall. Our account was hijacked with a sudden huge surge in usage beginning of May which I reported to the Tech people for suggestions what to do, did all they said but last Tuesday their 'abuse' department suspended our account as our account was a conduit for spamming from a third party. Two days later our virus protection company -VET advised of a serious attack affecting those that use Microsoft Outlook for their email browser. We were instructed to download immediately the patch to deal with this problem. My advice is to update your viral and firewall supports. Cheers Barb -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.2.0 - Release Date: 27/05/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Baby!
Congratulations Jo thats fantastic. Katrina On 27/05/2005, at 12:19 PM, JoFromOz wrote: Hello one and all. Just a quick note to let you know that my darling little William Matthew Watson is here! He arrived at 0529 this morning born in water at home with membranes intact, and he's gorgeous! 3.4kg, 50cm length, 33cm head, attended by the honerable Mary Murphy :) That's all for now. Love Jo (RM) -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Consent
Hi everyone I was just wondering what people had experience with in regards to the New Born Screening Test, Vit K and Hep B vaccine. Where I work, we obtain written consent for the Vit K antenatally , oral consent for the Hep B and NBST at the time. A midwife I worked with the other day was saying that where she used to work it was the other way around, written for Hep B and oral for the Vit K and NBST. I was looking after a woman the other day that was actually booked into Nepean and they obtain written consent for all 3 procedures... I'm just wondering what other people have come across Katrina -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Intro
Welcome to the list Gloria. :-) On 16/05/2005, at 1:34 PM, Gloria Lemay wrote: I've just joined the list and live in Vancouver, BC Canada. Some of you know me from articles I've written for Midwifery Today Magazine or just from being a generally uppity, brazen woman. Lieve told me you were discussing the drama in birth thread and I have read the posts with interest. It's so elusive, isn't it, trying to describe what birth is. It's very paradoxical a rites of passage, yet an ordinary day profound and spiritual yet down and dirty complex yet so simple intimate yet lonely and solitary painful yet pleasurable a huge accomplishment yet not of our doing Just when I think I know something about birth, something proves I know nothing once again. What a fun profession to be in. I would hope that introducing the lens of drama to examining birth would lead not so much to pointing fingers of blame for what's wrong with birth but, rather, to each player owning their own need for drama and lightening up a bit about it. When I had my last baby, I learned a technique for disappearing pain and used it all through the birth process. I only had about 5 minutes when I thought Gloria, you idiot, you knew it would feel like this, why are you here again?! As soon as the baby was out, I had this huge wave of regret. . . . .I had had a painless birth and had no story to tell, oh dear. I realized what an idiot I was, of course. Who in their right mind would want a dramatic story over a smooth birth?? I share that story with other women so they can take a look at the inner need for a big story in their own lives. When we get these things out of the closet and into the light of day, we become more powerful. The only demons that control us are the ones within. As a birth attendant, too, I can see that I have a need to be a saviour and a 'hero instead of a fly on the wall. Dramatic births are food for the insatiable ego. Learning to love the simple, silent arrivals with only a flickering, fleeting glance of gratitude from the woman transformed into mother. . . that is the quest of our spirits. I look forward to getting to know you on this list. Gloria Lemay, Vancouver, BC Canada
Re: [ozmidwifery] question
Hi everyone Was there n article coming up on Insight on SBS, on Homebirth I am sure I got it off this list that it would be on, but tuned in tonight and no homebirth story..any one able to shed any light on the subject.. Thanks Katrina -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] another test...
I think the list is just quiet I got both your test emails. Katrina On 27/04/2005, at 12:17 PM, jesse/jayne wrote: I'm not getting mail from oz mid :(
Re: [ozmidwifery] HOMEBIRTH ON A CURRENT AFFAIR TONIGHT
I desperately wanted to see this, but was cooking dinner and actually forgot (!) Anyone tape it or know if the traanscript is available online?? I'm on the Central Coast NSW if anyone is close to that... Katrina On 20/04/2005, at 4:51 PM, Justine Caines wrote: Dear All Tonight a beautiful homebirth will be aired on A Current Affair, Channel 9. And a spar between myself and Andrew Pesche (AMA Obstetrics spokesperson) In solidarity Justine Justine Caines National President Maternity Coalition Inc PO Box 105 MERRIWA NSW 2329 Ph: (02) 65482248 Fax: (02)65482902 Mob: 0408 210273 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.maternitycoalition.org.au
Re: [ozmidwifery] A wonderfully successful vbac birth this morning
How beautiful!! When I first read the message, I thought it meant the dad got in trouble from the midwife! But it all makes sense now Keep the stories coming... I love them Katrina :-) On 31/03/2005, at 8:23 AM, Julie Clarke wrote: x-tad-biggerHi Katrina/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerHaving just read your question this morning I have had a little chuckle as I remember the couple of moments, firstly when he was rubbing her back too enthusiastically during a contraction she had actually asked for a back rub and he was doing a great job just didnt think to stop when the next contraction came he wasnt watching her face so he didnt realize she let out a little growl and he was shocked/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerThen the next time was with the face washer her face and cheeks were very hot so we had a lovely wet cool washer but I think he squashed her nose or blocked it with the washer and that caused a reaction too./x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerIt was very heartwarming though when I saw the look on his face as the lovely midwife helped him to catch his new little baby girl I had the camera and gave a couple of quick clicks so I hope I got that shot for him./x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerHe was exceptional afterwards as he supported mum and bub throughout the first breastfeed. He is a totally involved dad./x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerWarm hug/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerJulie/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger/x-tad-bigger Julie Clarke CBE x-tad-biggerIndependent Childbirth and Parenting Educator/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerHypnoBirthing (R) Practitioner/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerACE Grad Dip Supervisor/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerNACE Advanced Educator and Trainer/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerNACE National Journal Editor/x-tad-bigger Transition into Parenthood Sessions x-tad-bigger9 Withybrook Place/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerSylvania NSW 2224/x-tad-bigger Telephone 9544 6441 Mobile: 0401 2655 30 [EMAIL PROTECTED] visit Julie's website: www.transitionintoparenthood.com.au x-tad-bigger/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerFrom:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerOn Behalf Of /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerCeri Katrina/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerSent:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger Wednesday, 30 March 2005 7:59 PM/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerTo:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerSubject:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger Re: [ozmidwifery] A wonderfully successful vbac birth this morning/x-tad-bigger hi just a question.. Why did the dad get into trouble??? just curious thats all katrina :-) On 30/03/2005, at 6:21 AM, Julie Clarke wrote: Hi I have just come in the door from supporting at another wonderful birth, which was a successful vbac. The woman had made a well informed choice to aim for a vbac and not a repeat cesar, however she experienced the usual normal anxiety of anyone having a vaginal birth compounded with lack of confidence because she didnt get there last time. Well we worked through those issues slowly and gently, over an hour and a half she pushed her baby into the world a gorgeous baby girl with a lovely head of dark curly hair. The midwife was lovely, gentle, positive, calm, quiet and unobtrusive. The dad was great and got into trouble a couple of times I felt sorry for him he was crestfallen because he was trying to do his best. The woman was so pleased with herself at having achieved what she wanted to achieve a natural active birth with no drugs, no intervention and a fine healthy baby. She didnt have any colostrum after the cesar and was worried but after this normal birth we got the baby on and the baby looked very contented and relaxed as I left. And I have come home with another big smile on my face satisfied in the knowledge that when a woman puts her mind to it and no one stands in her way she can do anything cant she? A great experience to start the day. Warm hug to all Julie Julie Clarke CBE Independent Childbirth and Parenting Educator HypnoBirthing (R) Practitioner ACE Grad Dip Supervisor NACE Advanced Educator and Trainer NACE National Journal Editor Transition into Parenthood Sessions 9 Withybrook Place Sylvania NSW 2224 Telephone 9544 6441 Mobile: 0401 2655 30 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] x-tad-biggervisit Julie's website: www.transitionintoparenthood.com.au/x-tad-bigger
Re: [ozmidwifery] A wonderfully successful vbac birth this morning
hi just a question.. Why did the dad get into trouble??? just curious thats all katrina :-) On 30/03/2005, at 6:21 AM, Julie Clarke wrote: x-tad-biggerHi/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger I have just come in the door from supporting at another wonderful birth, which was a successful vbac./x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerThe woman had made a well informed choice to aim for a vbac and not a repeat cesar, however she experienced the usual normal anxiety of anyone having a vaginal birth compounded with lack of confidence because she didnt get there last time./x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerWell we worked through those issues slowly and gently, over an hour and a half she pushed her baby into the world a gorgeous baby girl with a lovely head of dark curly hair./x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerThe midwife was lovely, gentle, positive, calm, quiet and unobtrusive./x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerThe dad was great and got into trouble a couple of times I felt sorry for him he was crestfallen because he was trying to do his best./x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerThe woman was so pleased with herself at having achieved what she wanted to achieve a natural active birth with no drugs, no intervention and a fine healthy baby./x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerShe didnt have any colostrum after the cesar and was worried but after this normal birth we got the baby on and the baby looked very contented and relaxed as I left./x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerAnd I have come home with another big smile on my face satisfied in the knowledge that when a woman puts her mind to it and no one stands in her way she can do anything cant she?/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerA great experience to start the day./x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerWarm hug to all/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerJulie/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger/x-tad-bigger Julie Clarke CBE x-tad-biggerIndependent Childbirth and Parenting Educator/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerHypnoBirthing (R) Practitioner/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerACE Grad Dip Supervisor/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerNACE Advanced Educator and Trainer/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerNACE National Journal Editor/x-tad-bigger Transition into Parenthood Sessions x-tad-bigger9 Withybrook Place/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerSylvania NSW 2224/x-tad-bigger Telephone 9544 6441 Mobile: 0401 2655 30 [EMAIL PROTECTED] x-tad-biggervisit Julie's website: /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerwww.transitionintoparenthood.com.au/x-tad-bigger
Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery program attracts Fed Government support and funding
Congratualtions Tracy One of my educators told me of this program and I thought it was FANTASTIC! Well done on the achievement Katrina :-) On 27/03/2005, at 10:56 AM, Tracy Smith wrote: Hello fellow midwives, My name is Tracy Smith. A colleague Deb Pattrick and I, developed and manage a life education program called Core of Life. Some subscribers may have heard of it before. This program educates adolescents about the reality of being pregnant, giving birth and parenting a newborn. It is always co-presented with one of the presenters having a background in midwifery and is an incredible opportunity to share midwifery knowledge and normal childbirth with our parents of the future. This week it was announced that Core of Life has been endorsed by the Australian government and funded through Family and Community Services to expand Nationally over a three year period. We are very excited and would like to thank all those midwives who have encourage and supported us along this 5 year journey. It is our endeavour to enlighten all teenagers about the challenge and incredible journey they face with becoming a parent and how midwives and midwifery care can assist and empower them along the way. Cheers and Happy Easter (I know mine is now!) Tracy Smith
Re: [ozmidwifery] European Midwifery
midwifery in Denmark, the author visited Copenhagen in February 1999. She undertook a study period to explore midwifery care at a midwifery led unit in Hvidovre Hospital. Care provision was effective, in particular with regard to the promotion of breast-feeding. The breast-feeding initiation rate was over 99%, with only three women during 1999 under the care of the birth clinic choosing to artificially feed their babies. The author was able to compare the cultural attitudes to breasts and infant feeding. The Danish midwives worked hard to maintain normality of the birth process. The abandonment of institutional routines, effective team work and the holistic involvement of the father throughout the childbirth experience had all contributed to the units' success. Best of luck to your assignment Kirsten in Denmark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ceri Katrina Sent: 22. marts 2005 12:34 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] European Midwifery Hi everyone thankyou to everyone that replied before, but I have another request. I have just about finished planning the tour, but am struggling with info on Danish or Swedish or somewhere in that area (!) midwifery services and midwives. Any ideas on where I can get this info in English, when I do a web search, I get some info, but the websites are in that country's language. I tried a website translator but it did not work well with the websites. So if anyone can impart location detail etc or anything that you think may help I would be greatful!!! thanks Katrina :-) -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] European Midwifery
Hi everyone thankyou to everyone that replied before, but I have another request. I have just about finished planning the tour, but am struggling with info on Danish or Swedish or somewhere in that area (!) midwifery services and midwives. Any ideas on where I can get this info in English, when I do a web search, I get some info, but the websites are in that country's language. I tried a website translator but it did not work well with the websites. So if anyone can impart location detail etc or anything that you think may help I would be greatful!!! thanks Katrina :-) -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] sharing 'different' info
Funny you should say that! I had already planned a few days with Ina May as well as a conference in Philadelphia. Thanks everyone so far for all the ideas! They are awesome! katrina :-) On 18/03/2005, at 2:39 PM, Kim Stead wrote: Well I would go to Holland and 'See' birth as it should be then I would go to NZ and spend time with Maggie Banks - breech birth and guru midwife!!! I'd then probably go to the US and visit with Ina May Gaskin on the farm! Dreams are free!!! Kiwi Kim ---Original Message--- x-tad-biggerFrom:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerDate:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger 03/18/05 11:51:59/x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerTo:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerSubject:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger Re: [ozmidwifery] sharing 'different' info/x-tad-bigger Spend 2 weeks with the midwives of the Community Midwifery program in Western Australia! MM > ideas on places or people or conferences that would be interesting/ > lifechanging etc etc that I can 'plan' to go and see?? > > -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. imstp_emo_en.gif>
Re: [ozmidwifery] sharing 'different' info
Thank you Julie that was very helpful!!! I will let you know my final 'plan'. It is interesting though, how birth is viewed differently everywhere, what a great experience for the women to hear about birth in other places. :-) Katrina On 18/03/2005, at 2:19 PM, Julie Clarke wrote: Hi Katrina What a great question to have been asked... I imagine it could stimulate the thinking of many of the students into wondering just what birth is like all around the world... there is often the arrogance in the West that westernized countries are so much more civilized and safer but this is not necessarily the case. Recently, I had a woman in class say Thank goodness we are all birthing in Australia amazingly I also had a Dutch woman in the group and I turned to her and asked her if she had any knowledge on what birth was like in Holland. Fortunately she did and she proceeded to tell the rest of the group that it would be expected they would birth at home unless there were medical reasons requiring hospitalization, government funded homebirth was normal and encouraged, and apart from being provided with a midwife they would also be provided with a helper to assist with light housework duties, visitors, other children etc. The group was amazed to discover that another country provided more for women in their phase of life compared to what they were going to be provided with here. I would recommend visiting a midwifery group practice in New Zealand, then perhaps Sinai hospital (where the Hollywood starts go), then any one of the hospitals shown on Foxtel's Maternity Ward, perhaps Chicago to view how the underprivileged are treated in the USA, if you have time head south to for some lovely waterbirths at the Andaluz Waterbirth Centre in Guatemala, then off to Europe for further contrasts at the University Hospital Vienna, Austria to visit Midwife: Karin Berghammer, OBGYN: Prof Regine Ahner. After that of course you couldn't miss out on a visit to (author and anthropologist) Sheila Kitzinger in England, refer to her book Rediscovering Birth to help you with this project question, and Janet Balaskas author of New Active Birth in London. Perhaps Elle MacPherson (waterbirth mum) would be happy to be interviewed by you too. You might even like to pop over to Scotland to visit a dear friend of mine who is a midwifery student - who will gladly fill you in on the details of the sausage factory style maternity services they have available for women. I wish you all the best with your work Katrina, Warm hug Julie Julie Clarke CBE Independent Childbirth and Parenting Educator HypnoBirthing (R) Practitioner ACE Grad Dip Supervisor NACE Advanced Educator and Trainer NACE National Journal Editor Transition into Parenthood Sessions 9 Withybrook Place Sylvania NSW 2224 Telephone 9544 6441 Mobile: 0401 2655 30 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] visit Julie's website: www.transitionintoparenthood.com.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ceri Katrina Sent: Friday, 18 March 2005 11:09 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] sharing 'different' info Hi everyone Just a different question for you... I am doing an assignment for one of my subjects at uni, and we have to plan an 'International Study Tour'! Not the usual sort of question we get, but one that intrigues me!!! I have started to plan it, but was wondering if anyone had any ideas on places or people or conferences that would be interesting/ lifechanging etc etc that I can 'plan' to go and see?? Thanks in advance Katrina :-) On 17/03/2005, at 2:39 PM, Kerreen Reiger wrote: Hi all, In the spirit of the recent discussion re importance of sharing information concerning mid- and women- friendly models of care, I have just noticed information about a Canadian initiative funded by Canadian federal gov't and bringing professional and consumer stakeholders together. See Multidisciplinary Collaborative Primary Maternity Care Project on google, and/or http://sogc.medical.org/collaborative/index_e.shtml They had a conference in Vancouver a few weeks ago and I'll be asking to talk with some of the people involved when I am in Toronto in early June. I'll tell you what I find out then but in the meantime, it's a useful initiative for us all to know about and use in lobbying efforts. Cheers Kerreen -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] sharing 'different' info
Hi everyone Just a different question for you... I am doing an assignment for one of my subjects at uni, and we have to plan an 'International Study Tour'! Not the usual sort of question we get, but one that intrigues me!!! I have started to plan it, but was wondering if anyone had any ideas on places or people or conferences that would be interesting/ lifechanging etc etc that I can 'plan' to go and see?? Thanks in advance Katrina :-) On 17/03/2005, at 2:39 PM, Kerreen Reiger wrote: Hi all, In the spirit of the recent discussion re importance of sharing information concerning mid- and women- friendly models of care, I have just noticed information about a Canadian initiative funded by Canadian federal gov't and bringing professional and consumer stakeholders together. See Multidisciplinary Collaborative Primary Maternity Care Project on google, and/or http://sogc.medical.org/collaborative/index_e.shtml They had a conference in Vancouver a few weeks ago and I'll be asking to talk with some of the people involved when I am in Toronto in early June. I'll tell you what I find out then but in the meantime, it's a useful initiative for us all to know about and use in lobbying efforts. Cheers Kerreen -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] childbirth classes
Hi Susan where I used to work, they were either 5 x 2 hr (approx) sessions or 2 x Saturdays that the couples could attend. A lot of group discussion work and activities and labour was the main thing discussed as this was what most of the questions focused on. The last session was spent on parenting and settling etc etc. Some videos were also shown. They used to orrganise a reunion for about 8 weeks after the class for everyone to get together and catch up with their babies. One of the sessions I attended, one couple went into prem labour before the last week, so came along to the last session armed with a picture of their new munchkin It was a wonderful moment I will never forget, the shock and surprise on everyone's faces!! :-) Katrina On 11/03/2005, at 6:07 PM, Susan Cudlipp wrote: Dear List I am posting this question on behalf of one of my colleagues who is very involved in our hospital run childbirth preparation classes. She would like to know what format other hospitals are following. How long are the classes, how many are offered, and how much involvement by physiotherapists and others besides midwives? Thanks in advance Susan Cudlipp No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.1 - Release Date: 9/03/05
Re: [ozmidwifery] Selangor Maternity
I am in awe this is a private hospital! Nothing like where I used to work. Is it as good as it looks On 11/03/2005, at 9:19 PM, Denise Hynd wrote: Dear All Mayne Health sold many of its hospitals to Affinity Health including Selangor below is the web address thru which you can do a virtual tour Unfortunately you do not meet Lunne or Ted Weaver http://www.affinityhealth.com.au/queensland/san/selangor.htm Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. Linda Hes
Re: [ozmidwifery] epidurals and long term effects
On 13/02/2005, at 9:06 PM, Mary Murphy wrote: which was dealt with by complimentary medicine, no interest from the hospital. I was just wondering what complimentay therapies are out there for PND would love some more info on this. Thanks Katrina (on her way to night duty.. :-) -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Bach Mid
Maybe we need a midwife specific agency?!!! Katrina On 15/02/2005, at 1:38 PM, Marcia wrote: Interesting to hear this from an agency, although I am not surprised. Agencies will feel very nervous about a new breed of midwives. In fact I think this will be common to anyone who has not worked with theBmidders as students. I feel there needs to be another kind of stepping stone particularly for those who did not get graduate positions. marcia x-tad-bigger- Original Message -/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerFrom:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggershaz42/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerTo:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerSent:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger Tuesday, February 15, 2005 12:29 PM/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerSubject:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger Re: [ozmidwifery] Bach Mid/x-tad-bigger hi all I have just got off the phone from a large nursing agency to be told that as a Bach mid grad they would not employ me as once again the hospitals concerned would not have us working in their wards. I was then told that I should have kept my enrolled nurse status and not registered as a midwife and then continued on to do a nursing degree. unfortunately this is not what I wanted to do like Tanya I wanted tobe a midwife not a nurse. is anyone else finding this in the eastern states that nursing agencies don't want to employ Bach of nursing grads their excuse to me was lame as the only wards which we would be sent to is mid and scbu. as far as I can see there is no difference in doing the nursing degree and then going to a agency to work with no experience as just doing the mid degree. again us Bach of midders are going to have to re educate the whole nursing profession. sharon x-tad-bigger- Original Message -/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerFrom:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerTania Laurie/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerTo:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerSent:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:27 AM/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerSubject:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger Re: [ozmidwifery] Bach Mid/x-tad-bigger Hi Kim I was interested in your comment about not being able to be relocated to other 'wards' - is that from your point of view or others'? I'm a current Bmidder at UniSA and in our first year, we did a 'general nursing' placement on a surgical ward to enhance confidence and skills in the areas of basic nursing (BP, TPR etc blah blah blah, changing dressings, catheters yada yada yada - you get the picture). When on mid placements, where some 'general' patients may also be, if 'mid' is quiet and I'm asked to care for these patients (even men), I'm more than happy to oblige. It can only enhance my knowledge and experience. As with yourself, I'm not anti-nurse, I just chose not to be one. I think if we are willing to do the extra bits to combat the myth that we can't do anything else, it can only help those who follow us and assist in changing the attitudes of those out there who are not so happy with the way mid education is going. In an ideal world, we wouldn't have to fight and argue so hard about our abilities and competence, but it's not an ideal world so I do the best I can with what I've got and take on just about anything! (within reason of course). Cheers Tania x-tad-bigger- Original Message -/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerFrom:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerKim Stead/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerTo:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerSent:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger Monday, February 14, 2005 6:55 PM/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerSubject:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger [ozmidwifery] Bach Mid/x-tad-bigger Hello again Marcia and others interested in this thread. Thanks for your intro Marcia. It's always nice to know who you are talking to. I guess I have become a bit guarded regarding my midwifery qualification as it's been a torturous road to find a supportive environment in which to practice. I live rurally - Gippsland to be precise. DE midwives are virtually unheard of in the rural areas and many are at a loss as to 'what to do with us' since we can't be relocated to other wards - despite screaming out for midwifery staff. Some, like anything new, are very resistant to change - mostly their own insecurities from what I can make out. Anyway, I arrived in Australia 18mths ago and applied at two hospitals for work - both turned me down because 1. I could not be relocated and 2. because they were 'too busy' training medical staff. I was also told that I needed serious career advice if I thought I would ever
Re: [ozmidwifery] Castor oil
Hi Anne Are these articles on Cochrane? I had a lady the other day I was supporting and helping birth, and there was mec liquor, thin, but wen to thick right at the end, and the midwife I was working with suctioned at the peri, I had no idea it was not the thing to do Thanks Katrina On 16/02/2005, at 3:13 PM, Anne Clarke wrote: Mec. liq. is not the end of the world, especially if the mother is overdue and there is no signs of fetal distress. Depending on your workplace the mother needs to negotiate for intermittent electronic fetal monitoring (if you have to do it at all) and no suction of the baby at birth as the evidence does not support this procedure if done purely to reduce mec. aspriation. If a baby is going to have mec. aspiration suctioning of the oro-nasal pharynx is not going to help and doesn't reduce the risk.
Re: [ozmidwifery] epidurals and long term effects
Thanks Mary these are awesome. Katrina On 17/02/2005, at 12:18 AM, Mary Murphy wrote: You wrote:I was just wondering what complimentay therapies are out there for PND would love some more info on this The list of complementary therapies that can assist is quite long. Each individual seems to know what works for them. I personally would start with Flower Remedies, be they the English Bach Flowers, Australian Wildflowers or West Australian wildflowers. There is Homoeopathy, Reiki, Acupuncture, Acupressure, Kinesiology. As many women who have PND have had a traumatic birth experience there are also physical injuries/imbalances and these can be helped by Osteopathy, Chiropractic, Bowen, EFT (emotional freedom techniques or Tapping). This is only a sample of the therapies available. Many times they can be combined. eg Flower remedies and osteopathy or any other combination. PND is not just a result of the birth experience but has roots in the continuum of her life. I hope this helps, cheers, MM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Hello???
Has this list been quiet or is my email not working?? THis was the last message I got on the 27th, just not used to the list being so quiet... Katrina On 27/01/2005, at 5:13 PM, Marilyn Kleidon wrote: Thank you so much Jo I think it is brilliant. marilyn x-tad-bigger- Original Message -/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerFrom:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerDean Jo/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerTo:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerSent:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger Tuesday, January 25, 2005 4:54 PM/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerSubject:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger [ozmidwifery] baby knows breats photo/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerThis seems to be generating a great deal of interest and so I hope it is living up to peoples expectations! Actually, it is a cunning plan for you all to hand over your private email addresses.haw haw ha ha!! ( that was meant to be a sinister laugh that didnt quite work!)/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerFor those of you still interested, the pic is of a bub under 12months that is next to a statue of a bust of a woman. The second pic is bub sucking on the bust of the bust!/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerCheers/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerJo/x-tad-bigger -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.5 - Release Date: 12/26/2004
Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding a premmie baby (very long) an update
Hi Miriam I am a middy student also, but have not encountered as much drama as you have. Hang in there. It sounds like you are a wonderful midwife and a awesome support for this woman, baby and her family. Keep up the wonderful attitude of being with woman. Katrina On 09/01/2005, at 4:55 PM, Miriam Hannay wrote: Hi all, your support and advice is great. Yes, this hospital is VERY breastfeeding unfriendly - no lactation consultant on site, one small side room for feeding which is often available, in which case my follow through woman struggles with her daughter behind a screen in the nursery. Staff pop in every two minutes or so to see if she's 'given up' (their words, not mine). I was there the other day when a midwife also said to this very determined, brave and lovely woman 'You can't force her, you know, she will win' to which the woman replied 'i will keep trying until i win'. I am constantly appalled by their atitude, and they make no secret of the fact that they believe my follow through woman's tenacity and 'bloody mindedness' about no dummy, no bottle, demand feeding is all my fault (naughty, boat rocking, pot stirring midwifery student). On my previous advice, this woman asked to be set up with a supply line, to be told they would need to see if they could find one - we are still waiting! Babe is feeding better everyday and while this woman is completely undermined by nursery staff I am always there to say 'you are doing a wonderful job and you are the expert on YOUR daughter and what she needs'. I feel this woman believes and trusts me. I just can't wait for the day they go home and their little one no longer 'belongs' to the hospital. They also asked again to see the paediatrician (he's unavailable apparently) and have only seen a young RMO once since their baby was transferred back to this smaller hospital from the major tertiary centre she was retrieved to initially for RDS. On a bright and positive note, if any woman can breastfeed, this woman can. She is SO determined to reclaim this experience with her child that I believe she's unstoppable. I will also write up this experience in my follow through journal (submitted at uni for assessment) and will speak to my clinical facilitator about this (a bit tricky during summer holidays). I really think the institutional culture of this hospital must change to benefit women and babies - they also wouldn't let me into theatre with her for her CS and were even crabby about me waiting in recovery!! ARGHH! I have also got hold of some great research (thanks for your links everyone) which I have printed out and will give to my follow through woman when I see her tomorrow (I couldn't be any less popular at this hospital so what the hell!) I'll let you know how it all pans out, thanks again, miriam. Dear Miriam This NICU and its staff (or at least those you have encountered) seem to be so uninformed. Where is the informed consent and respect for clients let alone updated research basis to practice. I suggest your university should encourage this hospital to consider the Baby Friendly Hospital Initiatve accreditation process!! Is a lactation consutlant on staff ? Have any staff heard of all the research about skin to skin care and its benefits particualrly for premmies?? There was a book Skin to Skin care; The best you can do for your preterm baby by Susan Gallant (?) but I have given away my copy Try Nils Bergman web site http://www.kangaroomothercare.com/ Andrea stocks Susan Langs book Breastfeeding special babies perhaps the parents could take some information like a book or an article to support their requests and educate the staff!! I would also recommend some gentle diplomatic assertion on the part of yourself, your supervisors and the parents because my expereince is that going along with the staff can undermine their self confidence and perpetuates this unprofessional situation for others as well as your client. Is their a patient advocate in the hospital can you talk with them?? I realise this is difficult ask but find your supports before you attempt it and do what you can please. If no-one challenges these situations to change they will stay there and continue to impact adinfnitum. Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Miriam Hannay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding a premmie baby (very long) Hi all, hope you can help me with advice for a follow through woman (i am a commencing 2nd yr Bmid student)who had her babe by emerg. LSCS at 35 weeks on 22nd December due to PROM + active labour, baby footling breech. Babe was 2490 grams at birth but had pretty bad RDS and spent a week in NICU requiring heaps of oxygen support. All's well now, and
Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding a premmie baby (very long) an update
On 09/01/2005, at 4:55 PM, Miriam Hannay wrote: On my previous advice, this woman asked to be set up with a supply line, to be told they would need to see if they could find one - we are still waiting! Couldn't they use a NG tude attached to a syringe for the same effect??? I guess the inclination needs to be there though. Katrina -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] AAIMHI Policy Paper on Controlled Crying
Thanks for the links, the info I have read has been very insightful an informative. I will print some more off when I get some more printer ink!! :-) Katrina On 17/12/2004, at 7:24 PM, Pinky McKay wrote: Hi all, I have been off line for the past week - looks like an interesting discussion. While I absolutely believe mothers need support and there should be no blame placed/ attacks on each other for choices of parenting style, just as for any other choices - birth, infant feeding etc, as people working with new parents, we do need to encourage INFORMED choice. While there appear to be no studies of the specific effects of controlled crying (this would require longitudinal studies over years) , there are studies into the physiology of infant stress and being left to cry it out is included in this in a number of papers by mental health professionals, including trauma specialist Bruce Perry who discusses how babies cant react to threat with a fight or flight response so react with a freeze response - ie they shut down (this reference is listed in the AIMHI paper). Translated to controlled crying, this is what happens as infants become stressed by being left to cry it out - they arent learning to sleep. There is some compelling evidence that early stress can mess up the cortisol release mechanism in the developing brain, predisposing infants to stress and anxiety disorders THROUGHOUT life. Rather than justifying harsh practices by waiting until there is a body of evidence to prove harm, it is worth considering that there can be a vast difference between no evidence of harm and evidence of no harm. Some babies will inevitably be more at risk than others - one of the saddest emails I have received was from a mother whose one year old slept after a week of controlled crying but also stopped talking and refusing all physical contact from her. A year later he was still not talking and was going to an older sibling for comfort. I have since had experience of another child who reacted by stopping talking. Many babies become extremely clingy and if they start waking again will almost certainly be much more difficult to settle, often staying awake for hours rather than just needing a quick reassurance or breastfeed as had often been the case prior to controlled crying. Mostly, from my personal observations/ emails/ phone calls from distraught , pressured mothers, it seems that sleep training is widely offered as the only/sensible option and mothers who respond to night time needs are feeling very pressured that they are doing things wrong and creating bad habits . I feel it is very simplistic to suggest that controlled crying will solve the problem of tired mothers - we shouldnt be pitting babies needs against mothers but rather seeking ways to support women to ask for help and develop networks for practical support - learning to say no to excessive demands and nurturing oneself are life skills whatever teh age of our kids. Most people are happy to share the joy of a baby in return for a few errands - ie dropping older kids to school, sitting with a baby/ taking it for a walk while mum has a nap . It is also worth noting that there are now at least two mother baby units in Melbourne where mothers are supported without controlled crying at all! - interestingly staff are reporting less maternal stress and babies are developing better sleep patterns as mothers are nurtured - there ARE gentle ways to change things that dont compromise babies needs or mothers instincts to respond. Tomorrows (Friday) Herald Sun will have an article re sleep training -I am sure I will be quoted on my personal views of puppy training for babies and there will also be an interview of the other side. Meanwhile here are a few articles/ papers that can be accessed online - the references at the end of the AIMHI paper also make compelling reading . Pinky www.pinky-mychild.com CONTROLLED CRYING: AAIMHI POSITION PAPER - includes refs. http://www.afcca.com.au/Files/Child%20Crying%20AAIMHI.doc Why love matters - how affection shapes a baby's brain . http://books.guardian.co.uk/review/story/0,12084,1262302,00.html Stress in Infancy by Linda Folden Palmer, D.C. http://www.naturalchild.com/guest/linda_folden_palmer2.html Emotional Learning in Infants: A Cross-Cultural Examination Michael Lamport Commons, Ph.D. Harvard Medical School Patrice Marie Miller, Ph.D. Harvard Medical School and Salem State College http://www.naturalchild.com/research/emotional_learning_infants.html - Original Message - From: Graham and Helen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] AAIMHI Policy Paper on Controlled Crying Thanks for posting this Abby - it is a good reference document to have. At the end of the document it states that the references ...are not
Re: [ozmidwifery] Baby whisperers...
Hi Abby I have personally been to a family care cottage (similar to Tresillian from what I understand) with both my children. As far as I am concerned they were wonderful. I also have friends that have been down to Tresillian and have come back different people due to the sleep they are now getting. What about the studies showing that babies still get at least 25% of their nutrition at night time if they need it? What studies? Where are they? I would love to read them. As a middy student we are being taought to base our practice on evidence - would love more info on them. What about their tiny tummies? What about them? If they are hungry they will wake... otherwise they wake up ravenous in the morning for a huge feed - ie break fast! What about the emotional and physical impacts on the child? And these are? Again where is the evidence? What about the fact that we know so much more about the psychological effects that the Tresillian method has on the child?? We do? Again how and where is it, would love to be more informed. What about the fact that this child has had her whole life rearranged and needs her mummy and daddy to nurture and care for her not take her to a strange place and have strangers `care` for her. What about the parents sanity and inability to function well due to lack of sleep. I admit that babies do wake up and not all will sleep though from a young age. But a child that is constantly up and causing havoc as everyone else in the house is up and not sleeping. That's a recipe for disaster. The whole basis of Tresillian I thought, was to give the parents strategies to help their child, not to be used as a babysitting service. I think Abby that society itself functions very differently than it used to. Years ago you would have countless amounts of friends and family that were close and supportive of you, often there to help out with changing family situations and parenting. Now though families can be living on opposite sides of the world, and people do not have the close knit support and encouragement that is often needed. Hence places like Tresiliian offer a community service for women and their families. Until we live in a more open society services like this will be needed to take the place of the helpful insight that used to come from uncles, aunts, grandparents etc. Perhaps you may have a better idea on how these women can access help??? I think we also need to remember that everyone parents differently and has different parenting experiences. Katrina :-) On 13/12/2004, at 9:42 PM, Abby and Toby wrote: Hm, was just on the phone to a friend talking about when this would get posted on here...Pinky are you on this list? lol! As if parents need more pressure to sleep and have children that should be sleeping through. Too much focus goes on how many hours a baby sleeps or if they are a good sleeper and not enough focus goes into parenting and night time parenting. Parenting is a 24hour a day 7 day a week job. I can't believe, that people believe, that a three month old should be able to put herself back to sleep?? What about the studies showing that babies still get at least 25% of their nutrition at night time if they need it? What about their tiny tummies? What about the emotional and physical impacts on the child? What about the fact that we know so much more about the psychological effects that the Tresillian method has on the child?? What about the fact that this child has had her whole life rearranged and needs her mummy and daddy to nurture and care for her not take her to a strange place and have strangers `care` for her. I don't believe that Tresillian teaches how to understand the perspective of the infants, how can they when they use 85 year old ideas that can cause psychological damage to such a young child. Their formula is not sleep-inducing it is `shut down for survival` inducing. It erks me that newspapers print such propaganda. Abby http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Thanks-baby-whisperers-now-we-can-all-sleep/2004/12/12/1102786955922.html This should be of interest to you...
Re: [ozmidwifery] AAIMHI Policy Paper on Controlled Crying
Hi Abby Just saw the email with the Australian Association for Infant Mental Health position paper, and one sentence jumped right out at me! The references below are not specifically to studies on the impact of controlled crying on infants because there are no records of such studies. Until more evidence is found from studies I do not feel any definitive decision could be made from that paper alone. Katrina :-) On 13/12/2004, at 9:45 PM, Abby and Toby wrote: Hi, Thought I would post a link to this for anyone that may not have seen it. The policy certainly challenges much of the popular thinking about sleep training and such. http://www.aaimhi.org/documents/position%20papers/controlled_crying.pdf Love Abby -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Postnatal observations
Hi Felicity Try this one.. x-tad-biggerGilmour, C. Twining, S. (2002). Postnatal care in hospitals: Ritual, routine, or individualised. Australian Journal of Midwifery 15, (2)11-15. Katrina :-) (I had this for an assignment for uni and found it quite good) /x-tad-bigger On 07/12/2004, at 11:53 AM, cummins wrote: Dear Jen No, the Ob has not provided anything, only that this was the practice at the tertiary hospital from where she came from, so it MUST be right! And where I work, in the eyes of management, Obs are right until proven wrong and Midwives wrong until accepted after lots of fighting. Felicity -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Here 'tis!!
How funny is this, I had just opened the PDF document and finished reading it when it came through from the ACMI newsletter! Well done to everyone in the NT. :-) Katrina On 18/11/2004, at 3:16 PM, Jenny Cameron wrote: image.tiff> x-tad-biggerhttp://www.nt.gov.au/health/news/2004/new_era_maternity_services.pdf/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerJennifer Cameron FRCNA FACM/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerProMid /x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerProfessional Midwifery Education Service/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger0419 528 717/x-tad-bigger
Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: Newspaper Article
Thats an awesome article!!! Thanks for sharing Leanne :-) On 04/11/2004, at 10:35 AM, leanne wynne wrote: Hi All, This article is on the front page of today's Sunraysia Daily - the local Mildura newspaper. I thought a positive perspective on homebirth was worth broadcasting!! Leanne From: znark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Newspaper Article Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 10:05:41 +1100 By LAUREN WARE Lila Japp was born on the patio of her parents' Merbein home on a sunny Friday afternoon just eight weeks ago. For Lila's parents, Rowena Keenan and Ian Japp, her arrival wasn't to be a home birth at all costs - she was only to be born at home if everything went smoothly. Rowena had a healthy, trouble free pregnancy and was keen to trust nature for the birth of their second child. She is one of few women who choose to give birth at home, but according to local midwife Leanne Wynne, who was present at Lila's birth, Rowena is a home birth success story. Her contractions started late in the night before the birth and, when her four-hour labour started the next morning, Rowena and Ian were prepared. Rowena remembers being drawn to the sunshine on the back verandah and, when Lila arrived, she was born on the couch under the kitchen window, with Ian, Rowena's sister, Prue, and Leanne all there for the drug-free birth. Everything just went so smoothly and on that day, I had no doubts and I remember thinking later that not once during the birth did I think to myself, 'oh gosh, is everything going to be alright here?', recalled Rowena. Sitting on the patio yesterday, not far from where Lila was born, a relaxed Rowena tenderly held her newborn - the perfect picture of a healthy mother and child. Deciding to have a home birth - if everything went smoothly - was an informed decision, it wasn't something that I took lightly, Rowena said. Rowena and Ian's first child, Finley, was born two years ago in hospital. The idea of having a home birth appealed to me and I don't particularly like hospitals, she said. Home is a space where I feel relaxed and confident. I can barely remember the pain at all, this time I felt a lot more in control and a lot more relaxed, this was a birth on our terms. Rowena and Ian kept their plans for a home birth quiet in the lead up to Lila's arrival, partly in an effort to shield Rowena from any negative reactions to giving birth at home. I just felt that if everything went well at home, then we could get excited afterwards, Rowena said. I read a lot about home births, I talked to people who had really positive home birth experiences and I tried to keep what I was exposed to positive. And really, the benefit is that living here, we are so close to the hospital, if anything did go wrong we could go there for back up. Only hot towels were used for pain relief during the birth and the day after the successful arrival of Lila, family and friends celebrated with the Merbein couple at their home. I remember waking up the next morning and thinking, wow, two children, Rowena said. It was so natural and it took away that sense of being fully dependent on the medical system, not that I am like that anyway. That dependency is fear based, like a lot of things in our society, and it is fed by that big 'what if, just that concern about 'what if' something goes wrong? Rowena said home birth was not an option or a choice that every woman would make, but she said it was important women understood it was an option. It is a choice, it's not for everyone, but it's important to give people the confidence that home birth is safe if you are low-risk and your pregnancy is healthy, she said. But according to Leanne, home birth could be an option for many more local women. Over the last 100 years, women have become to believe that they need a doctor for their child's birth, when the fact is that women have been having babies for thousands of years without doctors Leanne said. There is a small number of women who have difficulty birthing and they should be in hospital for their own safety and the safety of their child, but if women are healthy and confident and have faith in their bodies, then they are able to give birth at home. The first home-birth baby Leanne assisted with is now eight-and-a-half years old and last week, Leanne was among many midwives and parents who celebrated National Home Birth Week. In Mildura, it's not something you hear much about, simply because home birthing is not a concept that has occurred to many women, she said. In New Zealand, midwives are employed by the government, with insurance by the government and Medicare provider numbers so they can work independently. A huge percentage of women in New Zealand give birth at home or in a birthing centre with a midwife. In Australia, we don't have that and we are 20 years behind New Zealand. -- Bradley John To succeed ... you need to find something to hold on to, something to motivate you, something to inspire you.
Re: [ozmidwifery] AMA and midwifery-led care
I'm having a very wicked visualisation of the doctor nearly choking as you said no, spontaneous water birth at home She may not be as quick to assume anymore :-) Katrina On 19/10/2004, at 7:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Julie wondered if the obstetric training plays a role. The other night I had my 4 mth old in emergency for suspected meningitis (fortunately test came back negative), when getting a picture of his history the Dr asked about my pregnancy, was he a term baby,etc? As I was replying he was 9 days over she said then he was induced. Had the pleasure to say, no, spontaneous water birth at home. It was obvious that 'overdue' means 'induction' in Dr's language, and she would have to learn that somewhere. Megan This message was sent through MyMail http://www.mymail.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Breast Milk Urgently.
What an amazing story! On 17/09/2004, at 1:07 PM, Sally Westbury wrote: x-tad-biggerI just wanted to let you know the amazing story about this call for breast milk./x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerA friend in Exmouth got really sick and was evacuated by Royal Flying Doctor Service to Perth, leaving Exmouth about 9pm. Initially they thought that the baby, Edyn, would come down with her but as mum was on some nasty drugs she wanted some breast milk for an interim time until she was off the worst of the drugs so the called me, their midwife, to try to source some for them./x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerI phone some of my clients and the first two I called both said, I have plenty of breast milk but have trouble expressing could I just breast feed the baby. So I phoned back to Exmouth (they were still waiting for the RFDS to come) and asked the mother if she would consider this. She responded asking me would I trust my life with these women? I told her I would. She the said she thought she would be too ill to care for her baby and would I take her baby until she was well enough and get the women who had offered to breast feed the baby. I said I would./x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerThey were unable to transport her 7 month old, fully breast fed baby with her and so dad was left holding the baby (plus caring for 4 other children. He tried to give her formula in a bottle but she would have none of it! She would drink water and he convinced her to eat some baby food. Dad and babe finally arrived in Perth at 9.30pm I went to pick them up along with one of the wonderful mums who had offered to breast feed the little baby plus her two small sons!! We met then at the airport and Edyn was introduced to Helen and Helen offered her a breast feed in the airport lounge and to all of our amazement Edyn fed hungrily without a second look at Helen!! The Dad later told me that he felt close to tears when he saw his baby feeding as he had been so worried about her!!/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerI then took Dad and Edyn to visit with mum and then took Edyn to my home where Helen and her 2 boys had gone to sleep the night. The very adaptable Edyn slept with me for a couple of nights (what a shock for me whos babe is 8 years old), breast fed from 2 wonderful women day and night until the worst of the drugs were finished and it was safe for her to breast feed from her mum again!!/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger /x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerBack at home the Exmouth community mobilized and cared for the 4 other girls left there day and night for about 1 week./x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger /x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerNow Edyn is back to breast feeding although she is very keen about baby food too!!/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerSally Westbury/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerHomebirth Midwife/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerIt takes courage to remain a true advocate for women, challenging authority and sacrificing social and professional acceptance. It takes courage for a woman to choose a caregiver who will truly advocate for and empower her. -Judy Slome Cohain/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger-Original Message-/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerFrom:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerOn Behalf Of /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerSally Westbury/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerSent:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger Monday, 2 August 2004 7:41 PM/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerTo:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger [EMAIL PROTECTED]/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerSubject:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger [ozmidwifery] Breast Milk Urgently./x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerAnyone in perth got a client with lots of milk to spare. I have a friend who is dehydrated and going into hospital who would like to keep her baby on breast milk./x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerShe is going into St Johns Subi./x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerSally Westbury/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerHomebirth Midwife/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerIt takes courage to remain a true advocate for women, challenging authority and sacrificing social and professional acceptance. It takes courage for a woman to choose a caregiver who will truly advocate for and empower her. -Judy Slome Cohain/x-tad-bigger
Re: [ozmidwifery] Free Standing Birth Centres
-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger[EMAIL PROTECTED]/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerSent:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger Thursday, September 16, 2004 8:19 PM/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerSubject:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger Re: [ozmidwifery] Free Standing Birth Centres/x-tad-bigger I don't think our 400 odd cows would enjoy QLD but I sure would! ---Original Message--- x-tad-biggerFrom:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger[EMAIL PROTECTED]/x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerDate:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger 17/09/2004 10:54:52 a.m./x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerTo:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger[EMAIL PROTECTED]/x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerSubject:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger Re: [ozmidwifery] Free Standing Birth Centres/x-tad-bigger Kim, I'd move down there to open one with you...just wait until i've finished my training!!! Or I'd really like to move to QLD, so maybe we could move there Kirsten ~~~start life with a midwife~~~ x-tad-bigger- Original Message -/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerFrom:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerKim Stead/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerTo:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger[EMAIL PROTECTED]/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerSent:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger Friday, September 17, 2004 9:26 AM/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerSubject:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger Re: [ozmidwifery] Free Standing Birth Centres/x-tad-bigger Excuse my ignorance, but what's the deal with PI insurance and birth centres? I know midwives can't obtain any but wouldn't a birth centre facility actually own the insurance just like any other medical establishment?. As for obstetric back-up, you just transfer to hospital if that is what is required?? That is how it works in NZ. Run by midwives, no other medical staff other than nurse aids and when women require medical intervention or consultation, they transfer to hospital either by car or ambulance. I am getting the same comments in independent practice but you don't have obstetric back-up. What do they think the hospital is? Are they not going to treat the woman because she has been foolish enough to chose safe and cost-effective maternity care to optimise the chances of a normal birth? Seems so simple to me but of course I am still a bit green! I would appreciate some enlightenment and bringing back down to earth if need be. :-) I just can't seem to understand why everyone wants to make it so complicated - present company excluded. Kim. ---Original Message--- x-tad-biggerFrom:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger[EMAIL PROTECTED]/x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerDate:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger 17/09/2004 9:31:25 a.m./x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerTo:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger[EMAIL PROTECTED]/x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerSubject:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger Re: [ozmidwifery] Free Standing Birth Centres/x-tad-bigger Hi All, I think the main issue is the lack of PI insurance and obstetric backup. Leanne. >From: Ceri Katrina [EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Free Standing Birth Centres >Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 08:55:26 +1000 > >Well I'm going to actually finish my course first!! Then who knows!!! >I live on the central coast of NSW > >Katrina :-) >On 17/09/2004, at 7:05 AM, Kim Stead wrote: > >> >>Well guys - what shall we do about it??? Where do you all live because of >>course, I would love it right on my own door-step! Maybe we can franchise >>it!! :-) >> >>Kim. >> >>---Original Message--- >> >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Date: 17/09/2004 12:14:11 a.m. >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Free Standing Birth Centres >> >>Tania Laurie wrote: >> >> > I'm another with the same dream! >> > Tania >> > >> > - Original Message - >> > *From:* Ceri Katrina mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > *Sent:* Thursday, September 16, 2004 7:53 PM >> > *Subject:* Re: [ozmidwifery] Free Standing Birth Centres >> > >> > Kim >> > You and I should talk, as I also have this same dream!!! :-) >> > >> > Katrina >> > >> > >> > On 16/09/2004, at 7:57 PM, Kim Stead wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > Good question Abby! I have no idea but would like to know >> > what the reason is apart from the standard line /not >> > enough anesthetists./ One of my dreams is to build one so I >> > wil
