RE: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth in Dubai
Lisa Thank you for that. If you could get me your friend's details then that would be great. Many thanks Debbie _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of lisa chalmers Sent: Monday, 5 March 2007 7:18 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth in Dubai Hi Debbie I have a doula friend from the UK that goes between there and the Dubai. If you want her details let me know and I'll pass them on. The doulas in the UK also had a request recently, and several other options came up. I can get those details too if you need them. From what I know, birthing women in Dubai need a lot of support. Home birth is illegal as janet says, but it still happens and theni its almost impossible to get a birth certifucate. Lisa (australiandoulas) - Original Message - From: Janet at home mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 6:56 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth in Dubai Hi Homebirth is illegal in Dubai. Everyone births in hospital with their own surgeon. A friend of mine came home from there to have a homebirth over here. I can put you in touch with her, if you like. J From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie Slater Sent: Monday, 5 March 2007 5:13 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth in Dubai Does anyone know what the situation is in terms of getting a homebirth in Dubai? Failing that, does anyone know of any midwives/doulas in Dubai who may have information? Many thanks Debbie Slater Perth, WA
[ozmidwifery] Homebirth in Dubai
Does anyone know what the situation is in terms of getting a homebirth in Dubai? Failing that, does anyone know of any midwives/doulas in Dubai who may have information? Many thanks Debbie Slater Perth, WA
RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: Maternity coalition
What do I do as an MC member (actually WA State President, but that's by-the-by)? Well, for starters, I do the following (and more besides): I help out individual women with questions about maternity care in WA. Perhaps they want to know where they can get a waterbirth (answer: virtually nowhere in WA public hospitals), so I can tell them what the situation is. I can point them in the right directions to independent midwives, support groups etc. I sit on a number of committees: the Community Midwifery Programme Steering Committee, the Exec Committee of the WA Branch of ACM, and a Working Party for implementing a BMid at a local university. I recently was part of a workshop canvassing comment on the new draft consultation document on maternity services (Future Directions) and submitted a written submission on the same document. I also met with Dept of Health personnel on the same subject. I keep an eye on local and national newspapers and write comments where I believe maternity services (and midwifery-led care in particular) need a balanced comment. Yes - I do lobby (sometimes), and I do advocate (sometimes), and a whole load of things beside. I may march on parliament if needs be, and we do meet regularly with MP's. What I do, do is to try and represent the women and men who come to me, and call for midwifery-led care as the normal/default model for maternity services. Maternity Coalition also provides prenatal information sessions Choices for Childbirth, although not in WA. MC is much more than a lobbying organization (or an advocacy service). We represent consumers and are an umbrella organization for local groups. For those of you who know the National Childbirth Trust in the UK, there are many similarities between MC and the NCT in their fledgling years MC are always looking for people to support their work - why not join? Oh - by the way - I'm the national membership secretary so all you need to do is contact me :-) Debbie Slater Perth, Wa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lisa Barrett Sent: Friday, 2 March 2007 6:13 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: Maternity coalition Like a said Jo, It's something I read and I wondered what it meant in terms of women. I suppose the difference between the two definitions to me is that one is directly involved with the women on a individual basis to get their opinion noted and their needs addressed. and the other is involved with changing political policy but doesn't involve individuals and their difficulties but is trying over all to change for the common good. I was just asking. Can a woman come to the MC one an individual basis and get help from to address her individual difficulties with the system. Which is what consumer advocacy implies to me. Or is it you take each case and put them together to lobby public opinion and government for change which is totally different. Or is it both. I field calls from many people with problems in the system looking for help. I do give strategies and advice but some woman aren't able to get what they want alone it would be nice to know that I could refer them on to a group that could get involved. Often they don't actually want an independent midwife but just general help. Although I do the best I can I'm one person. I didn't think the maternity coalition did that sort of thing. If they do I'll start suggesting women get in touch. Lisa Barrett -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Epidurals - entering the bloodstream
Kelly There was some recent research reported yesterday (I think) in the press - from Adelaide IIRC. Evidence that the fentanyl component of epidural effects babies and particularly their ability to breastfeed. Can't get the ref to hand immediately, but it is recent research. Debbie Slater Perth, WA _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly Zantey Sent: Tuesday, 12 December 2006 2:43 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Epidurals - entering the bloodstream Hello, Can anyone point me to a medical source or evidence which proves that epidural anaesthesia enters the bloodstream? Someone in my forums has said she has tried to find medical sources but can't find them anywhere. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey
RE: [ozmidwifery] Dancing in labour and pregnancy
Paivi My understanding is (and I may well be wrong, so please anyone tell me if I am), that belly dancing was originally devised as a skill shown by women to women to assist them in labour a sort of pelvic rocking to movement. Slow belly dancing movements are a good skill for an active labour. As someone who did ballet til her mid-20s, I found that I had quite strong pelvic floor muscles, and found it quite difficult to let go of my pelvic floor muscles during second stage. Ballet dancing does give you a good awareness of your pelvic floor the instructions of the ballet teacher to pull in and up is all about the pelvic floor and core muscles. Debbie Slater Perth, WA From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Päivi Sent: Saturday, 4 November 2006 5:26 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Dancing in labour and pregnancy Hi all, After being to the Midwifery conference in Germany last week and attending a great latin american dance show last night I am inspired to write an article about dancing and birth. I have a long history in dancing and had easy births myself. I have talked to quite a few dancing friends lately and all had natural labors and felt empowered by it. So if you have great stories of women dancing trough labor or how dancing during pregnancy can help, please share.Do you think, that dancing makes pelvic floor muscles stronger, and that is what helps, or what other advantages can we find in dancing? How have you seen women use rythm and movements? Does anyone know if there is difference weather you dance ballet, ballroom,salsa or belly dance... (prenatally, that is) Päivi
RE: [ozmidwifery] medication question
I understood Thomas Hales Medication and Mothers Milk was the bible when it came to meds and breastfeeding . Debbie Slater Perth, WA From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Kate and/or Nick Sent: Friday, 20 October 2006 4:49 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] medication question I am a final year mid student. This week we had the chief pharmacist from the Adelaide WCH attend to discuss drugs in pregnancy breastfeeding. He said MIMS and drug company info is often unhelpful, and misleading. They have a number anyone can call for information, and they strongly encourage people (inc consumers, midwives, doctors) to call re meds during pregnancy, breastfeeding and meds for children. He was awesomely helpful, and Id give them a call. Service is Medicines and Drug Information Centre, open M-F 9-5 (Adelaide time), 08 8161 7222 Kate From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Susan Cudlipp Sent: Thursday, 19 October 2006 10:47 PM To: midwifery list Subject: [ozmidwifery] medication question Dear List-wives I have a new mum who normally takes Dexamphetamine for ADD (adult) and whose baby was quite growth retarded, probably as a result but no-one is saying that for sure. She has been off meds for a few weeks and is breast feeding her little bub, really wants to continue but is not doing too well off the meds and is getting quite scared of a repeat of PND that she had last time. Mimms wasn't greatly helpful apart from discouraging use in lactation and pregnancy - but as she had been using it in pregnancy anyway Do any of you have knowledge or experience of this med and effects in B/F? TIA Sue
[ozmidwifery] Gina Ford gagging uk discussion list
Apparently GF has had her lawyers on to a UK discussion board - Mumsnet - regarding comments made about her L Debbie Slater Perth, WA
RE: [ozmidwifery] NICE Intrapartum care guidelines -draft
I've downloaded a copy, but at 600+ pages I haven't got around to reading it yet:-) Debbie Slater Perth, WA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lisa Gierke Sent: Tuesday, 11 July 2006 10:28 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] NICE Intrapartum care guidelines -draft Has anyone read these? Lisa The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: Shortcut to: http://www.nice.org.uk/page.aspx?o=333766 Note: To protect against computer viruses, e-mail programs may prevent sending or receiving certain types of file attachments. Check your e-mail security settings to determine how attachments are handled. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] List working properly???
One reason for outgoing mail not getting through is one's own AV software, which can stop emails going out if they contain certain words. That is the case with mine. Debbie Slater Perth, WA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly @ BellyBelly Sent: Monday, 10 July 2006 10:54 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] List working properly??? I try really hard to be careful with my wording! But still, it seems to take a while for replies to go through (sometimes if at all!). I do notice that the yahoo groups go through so quickly, often instantly, perhaps you could change to a Yahoo group instead, import all the email addresses in? It would require less maintenance too perhaps? This appears to be a mailman list, I used to use it and it was okay, but very fiddly. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kim Hunter Sent: Monday, 3 July 2006 5:29 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] List working properly??? Hi all, I've looked into the problems that seem to be happening on the list, in particularly, that not all emails are being received by everyone. There are two issues that could be causing this problem, the first one is spam filters as already mentioned by Andrea. Unfortunately, there is no perfect technology available to make sure only real spam is filtered and all the email you want or expect to receive actually arrive in your inbox. This spam issue also affects some emails that are bouncing. As I don't always have time to go through all my spam mail to make sure I catch all bounces from the list. Although I will endeavour to be as thorough as I can, I do received over 100 spam emails a day (that's my problem though :-) ). I am currently going through my spam mail to fish out any bounces that aren't spam and will respond to anyone whose mail has wrongly ended up in my spam inbox. Some of the ways you can help to make sure all emails are received: * Have a think about the words you use in your email, spam filters are set up to catch key words. Some of these you may need to use due to the nature of your work but may also have a not spam typical description. * Only send emails to the list only and not copy in other people * Try not to use the special words in emails, like s*bscribe, uns*bscribe, j*in, c*ncel and h*lp (particularly in the subject heading). * Try to remember that the list doesn't like attachments. * When replying to messages try to only keep as much of the original message as is needed to make sense of your reply. Emails bounce when they are too long. * For those who view this list via the archives, unfortunately, you can only post emails to the list is you are a member. There is no reason why you can't join to send an email and then take yourself off the list after your email has been sent. I hope this is useful to you all. Please don't hesitate to contact me should you have any questions. Regards Kim At 03:05 25/06/2006, you wrote: Hi Everyone, Can I first stress that this list is not moderated - no-one checks emails before they appear and no messages are filtered out. This is one of the few email lists that are free and open in this way. Everyone is welcome here! The list sometimes has problems, and we will investigate. Sometimes I get messages that for some reason are redirected to my spam filter where I pick them up - you could try checking there for missed emails. If the sender copies messages to other email addresses at the same time, this seems to cause the problem for me. For example, an email sent simultaneously to a string of private email address and/or several lists including this one, may get bounced as spam by your ISP. Try sending messages just to this list and don't copy to anyone else at the same time. I'll ask our list manager Kim for more suggestions. Regards Andrea At 09:41 AM 24/06/2006, you wrote: The emails that I am aware of not getting through have often been involving the same group of people, and/or regarding birth trauma, the ethics of choice, and then there is also mine and Janet's recent emails on birthplans (I've had two emails not appear yesterday, one was a follow up to David's commentary on the ethics of choice, and one was a response to Kelly's further query about Birthplans). Are other people having the same difficulty, or are specific emails being singled out and removed? This is highly frustrating and needs to be remedied for the list to function fairly and effectively. It's happening a lot right now but it's occurred multiple times historically too. - Original Message - From: Jo Bourne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery
RE: [ozmidwifery] NZ stats
Andrea How do you define midwifery care for the UK? As someone who had all her children in the UK within the NHS where I was cared for by a midwife (except in one instance where I needed intrauterine surgery and was therefore cared for by an OB), I could not compare the over-servicing of women here in OZ, compared to that provide in the UK. I wasn't quite sure what the stats you quoted were meant to imply. The UK is far from perfect but I do believe that the choices for women in the UK are better that currently available her (in WA anyway). Debbie Slater Perth, WA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrea Robertson Sent: Thursday, 6 July 2006 10:15 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] NZ stats Hi Pauline, As I understand it, those that don't go to a midwife end up with a doctor (usually an obstetrician) and the NZ caesarean rate is over 20%. It looks like you have either either a midwife or a caesarean in NZ. Simple choice! Regards Andrea currently in the UK where 68% of women have midwifery care and almost all the rest have a caesarean section (the UK current stats are very similar to OZ, and yet they only have 3% private obstetric care compared to almost 40% in OZ. ?). At 11:31 PM 6/07/2006, you wrote: I'm a mid student and a kiwi. At present in NZ 78% of women choose a midwife as their lead maternity carer. It's nice to know that it is possible, when the choice is there. Pauline Moore WA -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] How long before synto is used?
The UKs NICE guidelines inherited from the UKs Royal College of Obs and Gynea suggest that it is fine to leave pre-labour rupture of membranes up to 96 hours before induction of labour see http://www.nice.org.uk/page.aspx?o=17381 Debbie Slater Perth, WA From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Kelly @ BellyBelly Sent: Wednesday, 14 June 2006 8:48 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] How long before synto is used? For those who work in maternity units, I am just wondering what the policy is in your unit in regards to how long a woman can continue after her waters have broken before having synto put up? There seems to be such pressure to put it up fairly quickly (after you ask to at least wait at all!), with an average of about 1 hour before the woman gets the pressure to speed things up. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
RE: [ozmidwifery] MOY interview
Mary Could you post what she said? I know that you the modest person that you are would not blow your own trumpet, but I would love to hear what she said about midwifery skills. Debbie Debbie Slater Perth, WA From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy Sent: Saturday, 6 May 2006 6:51 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] MOY interview Thanks Jan and everyone else! I was thrilled that the essence of midwifery was being celebrated. The woman who wrote the nomination was concise and eloquent in her praise of midwifery skills. She captured the spirit of one to one midwifery care in about 50 words. It is all I have strived to achieve over the years. It is all that midwives can achieve if they are given the right environment. MM
[ozmidwifery] Home birth in the UK
You might be interested in this circular that has just come out of the Nursing and Midwifery Council in the UK. http://www.nmc-uk.org/aFrameDisplay.aspx?DocumentID=1446 There are some lovely quotes: Midwives are experts in normal birth and the NMC's standards require them to be competent to support women to give birth normally in a variety of settings including in the home. Withdrawal of a home birth service is no less significant than withdrawal of services for hospital birth Research over the last couple of decades suggests that home birth is as least as safe as hospital-based birth for healthy women with normal pregnancies. Debbie Slater Perth, WA
Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding a premmie baby (very long)
These are my comments about feeding a premmie at 34 weeks. DS2 was born at 34 weeks, and fed my tube (both EBM and DBM - we had a milk bank) for the first 5 days or so. At around day 5 I was there to breasfteed on demand but at least every 4 hours (baby woken to feed if this was the case). I had a go at breastfeeding first and then baby was fed EBM/ DBM if that was felt not enough (there was weighing before and after feeds which I used to lie about :-)). I needed lots of quiet time with my son - with no interuptions. He was tired and suckled infrequently. But the staff encouraged me to keep at it. After about a week, he was feeding well, but basically I was there all the time to feed when he woke. Special room to settle and feed - every encouragement to breastfeed. Bottle feeding was a last resort and not offered as a first option.This was 10 years ago in the UK. Breastfeeding premmies can be done, but what you need is the support of NICU staff and the right setting (we had a special room set aside with low lighting etc, to help us). Baby went home before term, fully breasfted and never had a bottle :-) I would be happy to talk more offlist. Debbie Slater Perth, WA - Original Message - From: Miriam Hannay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding a premmie baby (very long) Hi all, hope you can help me with advice for a follow through woman (i am a commencing 2nd yr Bmid student)who had her babe by emerg. LSCS at 35 weeks on 22nd December due to PROM + active labour, baby footling breech. Babe was 2490 grams at birth but had pretty bad RDS and spent a week in NICU requiring heaps of oxygen support. All's well now, and mum has marvellous milk supply which she would love to give her baby, BUT!! The woman has been expressing 8 times in 24 hours and getting 60-100 mLs per session, babe is being gavage fed in nursery and is constantly sleepy and not keen to go on the breast. When the woman requested no dummy and bottle and to be called when her babe woke to start establishing demand feeding at breast, staff immediately became VERY negative, refusing to speak with her, ignoring requests for assistance etc. She was told she was 'doing it the hard way' and that if she refused to allow her baby to be given EBM by bottle she would end up stuck in hospital for weeks. She has allowed the baby to be given EBM by bottle and does feel that breastfeeding is improving but feels uncomfortable with staff and that she's not being given the chance to give breastfeeding a good shot. I have watched her feed and when alert the baby feeds well, the woman's attachment technique is great and they are a great unit. I have four of my own, all extended breastfed so I feel confident in supporting her breastfeeding but am lost with these nursery protocols. One midwife told her that nipple confusion was 'crap' and that without bottle feeding as transition her baby would take much longer 'graduating' to the breast. Every core of my being screams out that these people are WRONG but i'm not sure where the best evidence lies. My Maye's Midwifery supports the idea of demand feeding premmies and avoiding nipple confusion but the info is a little light for my liking. What do you all think? This woman has been told to expect her baby to be in hospital until she's term but she's desperate to get her home ASAP. Any advice would be wonderful, regards, miriam Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] helpful tip
It sounds very like one of the stretches that my personal trainer uses at the end of a training session :-) Debbie Perth, WA - Original Message - From: Jen Semple [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] helpful tip I read this too in the Midwifery Today forum. For the life of me, I can't get a picture in my head of what this manipulation might look like! Have any of you tried this or somethingsimilar before? Jen --- Mary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Art of Midwifery To turn a posterior baby: Have the woman lie on her left side with her left leg straight down and in line with her body and her right leg raised and brought up toward her face, head curled down toward knee. [I am short so having her place her knee on my shoulder is the right height and position.] During a contraction, push down and back on bottom leg and up and abducted with top leg. That seems to open pelvis and allows baby to turn with the contraction. I usually see a funny look on mom's face, and baby is on perineum immediately. - Claudia Toms Midwifery Today Forums www.midwiferytoday.com/forums/ Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] mw needed
Denise Nikki Macfarlane is a Doula and CBE (trained with the NCT in the Uk before movoing to Singapore about 4 years ago). She may well be able to help. Her details are: Nikki MacfarlaneChildbirth Educator Doula (Labour Supporter)Singaporehttp://www.parentlink.org Debbie - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 3:17 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] mw needed any one know any thing about singapore birth options or any midwives in private practise ?avalibility of home birth jan Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/Maternitycoalitonmidwives/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [ozmidwifery] KYM- Caroline Flint Query.
Caroline Flint's has some essays on her birthcentre website. This essay includes a reference to a 1986 paper. HTH http://www.birthcentre.com/essays/the_know_your_midwife_scheme_2.htm Debbie Slater Perth, WA - Original Message - From: Tania Laurie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] KYM- Caroline Flint Query. A couple of references that may be helpful: Flint C (1993). Continuity of care provided by a team of midwives - the Know Your Midwife Scheme. In Midwives, Research and Childbirth, volume II. S Robinson and A Thomson eds. Chapman Hall, London, pp72-103. Flint C (1993). Midwifery Teams Caseloads. Butterworth-Heinemann, Oxford. I'm sure there are more, but I just can't lay my hands on them at the moment. Tania BMid UniSA - Original Message - From: Graham Wende Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 11:44 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] KYM- Caroline Flint Query. A student midwife at our rural unit needs info on the KYM scheme as devised by Caroline Flint. Specifically related to events in 1987. She doesn't know what event(s) in 1987 - it is a date mentioned by her lecturer. She doesn't have internet access at the moment so I volunteered to ask for her. She is receiving a well rounded education at the moment - depending on one's point of view of course! She and I watched over a primip's waterbirth last week of an OP baby who took 3 hours of non-directed pushing to emerge. Sunday night an asymptomatic primip had a seizure with a head on view. A week or so ago there was an intervention free planned term vaginal twin birth and two colleagues have had VBACS.! Night duty is definitely the time to experience everything midwifery practice can throw at you. Thank you on her behalf for any info you can supply. Wende ( at the coal face since 1972 ) -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Home Birth Awareness Week
... and news out today of some new research showing that babies born by CS are more prone to stomach upsets etc. due to the fact that they are not exposed to natural bacteria during birth which stimulate the baby's immune response. Debbie Slater Perth, WA
Re: [ozmidwifery] admission ctg
The National Institute of Clinical Excellence (NICE) in the UK, and which is the statutory body the provides recommendations to the National Health Service. Clinicians are supposed to follow these guidelines. It has issued guidelines on fetal monitoring. It recommends intermittent auscultation for women who are 'healthy and have a trouble-free pregnancy', and says that the evidence does not support the use of EFM (i.e. a ctg) on admission. There are full guidelines, and summaries available - see http://www.nice.org.uk/page.aspx?o=20051 Debbie Slater Perth -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] wanting homebirth
Jo Contact them now and they will send you the info. They don't usually accept formally on to the programme until 12 weeks gestation but it is better to contact asap as it get booked up. Regards Debbie Perth - Original Message - From: JoFromOz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 9:11 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] wanting homebirth If, for example, a midwife found out she was pregnant last night, and wanted a home birth with the community midwifery program in WA how early should she contact them to book in, and does she need a GPs referral?? Thanks, Jo ;) -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Childbirth without Fear
I am cross-posting a message from an NCT list that I am on. I gather that the book will be also be available from Capers and Birth International soon - but thought you might be interested in this. Debbie Dear All,You may remember that I wrote six months ago letting you know that mypartner and I bought the rights for 'Childbirth without Fear' by GrantlyDick-Read - well, it's published on Monday!We have chosen to publish the last version Grantly Dick-Read completed themonth of his death (there've been several heavily edited editions since).Michel Odent wrote the introduction and the book received wonderful supportfrom S. Kitzinger, J. Balaskas, Yehudi Gordon and Andrea Robertson.We also unearthed a documentary record of the birth of a baby delivered byGD-R from 1956!You can get more info on our website at http://www.pinterandmartin.com, andthe book is also available from NCT Maternity Sales(http://www.nctms.co.uk).
Re: [ozmidwifery] Cheap community-based childbirth ed.
Sylvia When I moved to the Australia and met up with fellow NCT ANT Mel Gregory, we set about trying to set up our own independent classes here in Perth. It was jsut so difficult... We had been so used to having more people wanting our classes than we could deal with through the NCT, and thought the same need would be here. Sadly most women just didn't see the need - I pay an obstetrician to tell me what to do and how to go about it, why should I go to someone else for information that he/ she will give me. is a common statement. We have just done some classes through the Community Midwifery Programme here, and it was a delight, but don't know how often we will get the chance. Debbie Slater Perth, WA - Original Message - From: Sylvia Boutsalis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 4:58 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Cheap community-based childbirth ed. like zombies gone down the conveyer belt into the hospital closest to them (cause it has really nice decor...don't laugh I said the same thing with my first!), have gone into the mainstream clinics, and will be attending the child birth classes offered by the hospital. I have given tem Choices in Childbirth phone numbers, sent tem information about the workshops they do, sent them MC stuff, sent them stuff on the realities of cs I our society and so onbut blindly they still walk away. I'm a Childbirth Educator in Adelaide. I've recently returned from the UK (Husband's work) where I trained through the National Childbirth Trust. I facilitate classes for 1st time couples which covers late pregnancy, labour, birth and early parenthood. I extended my studies to include Infant Massage as well so that it could be an extension of the classes after all the babies were born to keep the group meeting. I tried to throw myself into it when I returned but found little interest. It's a shame when I would love to give these couples information to enable them to go into labour with clear ideas of what THEY want for the birth of their child. I haven't given up! Sylvia Boutsalis Adelaide -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Honey Acharya Sent: Sunday, 8 August 2004 8:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Cheap community-based childbirth ed. I hope you don't mind me jumping in on this conversation. You wrote Does anyone run Birthing from Within classes anywhere in Australia? These classes feinetly have a structure but they also are designed from a women's way knowing perspective trying to draw out, expose if you will the woman's intuitive self. Birthing Rites Australia in Bondi Junction Sydney runs fantastic childbirth education classes, much more focused on learning to trust yourself and your body. Looking at the Feeling and emotional side to birth not just the physical. They are not Birthing from Within structured but they have their own special style as taught by Marie Burrows. They also have a wonderful Postnatal group that meets on Fridays, you can attend while pregnant also and learn lots of interesting info about breastfeeding, postnatal depression, parenting, connecting with other women etc I think it is a donation of $5 or $10 which includes morning tea. I love Birthing From Within and have recently read it twice, should be on the recommended reading list for all Pregnant women. My experience is the majority of women/couples will still attend the hospital classes even if they go to something independent. I am in Townsville and the best informal pregnancy learning we have is the Prenatal Yoga run by Karen Shlegeris a childbirth educator. She teaches lots of really useful stuff in amongst the yoga. (I went to a Prenatal Yoga class in Sydney recently and it was just about the yoga, very disappointing really.) Women here also come back to tell their stories and lots of networking between women happens and many friendships are made. We have also set up a Healing Birth debriefing support group (which includes VBAC support) and another woman and I have just started working as Doulas (birth support people). We have 1 Public and 2 private hospitals here and no independent midwives. The c-sec rates are approx 25%, 40% and 60% and we hear many horror stories and talk to many traumatised parents (some in the extreme who won't have any more children because of their experiences in childbirth-maybe the politicians should think more about choices in childbirth when they are promoting and trying to increase the birth rates in Australia). Sorry I don't have any other figures of other medical interventions and these rates were told to me by the midwives from these hospitals so they are not official stats but they give you an idea. There are an increasing number of women in Townsville choosing unattended homebirths (most would employ a midwife
Re: [ozmidwifery] the UK unit that owered it's cs rate
Jo It was the North Hants Hospital in Basingstoke. Below is the message that was sent to the NCT list that I amon which. The person who told us about it is a member of the Maternity services comittee there. St George's in Tooting, London have also reduced their rate from 24 to 18 percent. Debbie The North Hampshire Hospital, Basingstoke, has halved its caesarean sectionrate!The Head of the Labour Ward (Carol) is behind it, supported by the LeadObstetrician (Claire). Carol was at the last Rising Caesarean RateConference in January and expressed her frustration that it was all very wellbut what *exactly* had to happen to get the rate down. The Maternity Forum met last week, and since we have just lost ouradministrative support goodness knows when we'll get any minutes so whatfollows is from my memory: The graph showed that the csr peaked in Dec/Jan at around 28-30%. Therewas lots of talk about how they could get the rate down. From May there hasbeen a steady decline in the rate reaching 15% in October, and 13% over thefirst couple of weeks in November. They are hoping to be able to maintainthis. They are really excited by their success, but it was clear they wantedto maintain it for a few more months before they feel confident to startshouting about it. The year end csr won't show the dramatic improvementalthough they are expecting it to end up at around 20% overall as opposed to25% last year. So, how have they done it. Well it is multifactorial. 1. Feb/March saw the annual change of registrars. Two female registrarsjoined who are very pro vaginal birth. 2. VBAC - women with a history of caesarean section are encouraged tolabour. 3. Breech - Despite results of the Term Breech Trial, they are stillsupporting those women who wish to give birth vaginally to breech presentingbabies to do so. In 1991 3% of breech babies were born vaginally, currently15% of breech babies are born vaginally. 4. CTG training package - Last year they had a doctor who was veryinterested in this and who put together a very good training package for themidwives resulting in better interpretation of EFM traces. 5. Carol was given a small amount of money to spend on improving things forwomen. She decided the beds in the labour rooms looked very clinical andspent the money on nice duvet covers and pillow cases (no, wait, keepreading). She then moved the beds so they are along the wall, with a chairin front of bed. Male partners are encouraged to sit on bed with thelabouring woman using the chair. Women then generally stand up and move forcontractions, the more upright position being better for labour. She has hadto fight to keep those beds along the walls. Auxillary staff keep movingthem back to the middle and it sounded like she has had a bit of a set towith them. Her and Claire have had to be very persistent in moving the bedsback! But she has won. 6. Induction - There has been a change of induction procedure. Epiduralsare no longer fitted before induction but are available afterwards if andwhen needed. Women are finding that they can cope with induced labour andmidwives are gaining confidence that women can cope. More inductions arebeing carried out since it is now policy to induce at 10 days (due to NICEguidelines) rather than 12 days as previously, but more are resulting inspontaneous vaginal deliveries. 7. Midwife ventouse practitioners - Basingstoke now have four midwivestrained to do ventouse deliveries. In 55% of cases where a midwife is calledto carry out a ventouse delivery, a spontaneous vaginal birth is achieved.But more important are the opportunities this gives for experienced midwivesto pass on their skills to less experienced midwives. What these measures have succeeded in doing is changing the attitude ofthe unit as a whole. It is early days yet, but they have high hopes of beingable to sustain the change. They have recently taken on a new obs and Carolsays she made it very clear to him at their first meeting that this is howthings are going to be run and that he will have to fit in. There was another graph too. Just in case anyone thinks they are doingless cs and more forceps/ventouse that is not the case. The forceps/ventousedeliveries have remained unchanged. The number of caesareans has gone downand the number of svd's has gone up. I am so please this has happened anywhere, but for it to happen on my patch is great - although I can claim absolutely no credit whatsoever! - Original Message - From: Dean Jo To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 7:15 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] the UK unit that owered it's cs rate Can anyone remember the details of the UK unit that lowered their cs rate dramatically by putting in place a heap of fairly basic yet effective measures...things like upskilling care providers on monitor interpretation and so forth. It was posted on the list a few years
[ozmidwifery] Book Review (question for Andrea or someone at Birth International)
Andrea I have a book review for you, but can't remember who I should email it to. Can you email me offlist and let me know who I should send it to. Thanks Debbie Slater
Re: [ozmidwifery] birth documentary on Discovery channel
Discovery Health is a separate channel from Discovery (there's other Discovery Channels such as Discovery Science etc.). We have it on Foxtel Digital, but didn't have it on the original analogue service. The programme that you refer to isn't on Discovery Health at the moment - just Birth Days showing generally high-tec, emotionally charged episodes full of the 'danger' and drama of birth - a la American TV experience. Debbie Perth - Original Message - From: A Menna To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] birth documentary on Discovery channel Nicole- are you in Australia? The broadcast times I had were for the US on Discovery Health channel, with the last airing on June 13th. Don't know if it was actually shown in Oz...maybe someone else knows?AlexandraOn Jun 18, 2004, at 9:39 PM, Nicole Christensen wrote: Hi all,a little while ago there was a post regarding a documentary on the Discovery channel on pay tv, this month.- I think it was titled 'UnconventionalBirths' I. have asked my Mum to scour her tv programme (she has Fox - I don't!) and the only birth relatedprogramme - is this - (andis on tonight)"Maternity WardLife ChangesFollows the action in maternity wards around the country capturing both the medical and human drama of labour and delivery"which doesn't sound like the one originally talked about.can anyone else enlighten me??thanks all,Nicole
[ozmidwifery] 60 minutes
Dear All Here is what I have sent to 60 minutes: Debbie "Sirs I would like to comment on your recent story about the choice of caesarean section vs a natural birth. At a rate of nearly 30%, the rate of caesarean sections in this country (as in many others) is way above the WHO recommended rate of 10 to 15%. The alarming rate of caesarean sections is being addressed in many countries, as it is being realised that it is a public health issue which affects both the health of its population and is a cost to the public purse. As an example, the National Institute of Clinical Excellence (NICE) in the UK - the body that provides guidance in clinical matters to their National Health Service recently produced guidelines with the aim of reducing unnecessary caesarean sections. It states (amongst other things), that maternal request "Is not on its own an indication for CS". It sets out only six conditions where a CS should be offered to women - in the main where the mother suffers from such conditions as HIV. The only obstetric conditions are where a baby is breech and cannot be 'turned'. Interestingly their Reference Guide summarises the effects of CS and natural birth. The list of possible increased effects are 15 in number - including hysterectomies, uterine rupture, not having any more children, maternal death, future stillbirths and breathing probelms for the baby. The list of effects reduced by a section comprise only 3 - less pain around the perineum, incontinence, and prolapse. I can empathise Vanessa Gorman's reasons for having a section - but her case is hardly 'normal'. You may be interested to know that I too have had a baby die, and I too was offered a section if I felt that I wanted it (because of my previous experience). However, in may case, I felt that it would be better to go for a natural birth. That was my choice, and so was hers. It is important that women are provided with the correct information to enable them to make informed choices, and it concerns me that this piece did not provide a truly unbiased view. Yours sinecerly Debbie Slater 12 Goldfinch Avenue Churchlands WA 6018 Ph: 08 9287 1783 "
Re: [ozmidwifery] beware
Pauline I have now received this twice via the ozmid list. Both times, the 'sender' has a bigpond address. Debbie Perth, WA - Original Message - From: pauline To: midwifery Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 3:04 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] beware I have had a suspect email sent to me via ozmid, it referred to a web site, and had something about drs. in the address line. If any one else gets one like this don't open, it opens up a pornographic website that is infected with three viruses!! Not pleasant when i thought it was going to be something about drs and mid stuff!! So be careful! Cheers, Pauline
[ozmidwifery] NICE guidlines for C Section published
The National Institute for Clinical Excellence (NICE) in the UK have just published their CS guidelines. Haven't studied them in detail (it's about 60 odd pages), but here are summaries of some of the points I picked up (I think): CS should not be offered before 39 weeks; Women should be advised that a homebirth will reduce their risk of a section, but using midwifery-led units doesn't !!! Continous support in labour reduces risk of CS; Induction should not be offered until after 41 weeks; Maternal request should not be a reason for a section; Active managment and early amniotomy should not be offered, but a four hour partogram should be used !!; EFM increases the likelihood of a CS; Breech presentation should be offered ECV before a section is offered; Twin pregnancies should try vaginal birth if first twin is cephalic; VBAC should be supported Interestingly, it says there should be RCT's to compare vaginal birth and sections !!! For the full guidelines - see http://www.nice.org.uk/Cat.asp?pn%20=publiccn=toplevelln=en Debbie Perth, WA
Re: [ozmidwifery] quiet birth
Jo Yes it is the current edition (despite its name the women's weekly is actually monthly :-)) It's a very good piece - no she didn't actually birth at home, but transferred in after labouring for most of the time at home. But once in, she requested low lights etc.. Debbie - Original Message - From: jo To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 10:35 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] quiet birth Hi Nic, I had a look on the stand when waiting in the shopping centre queue today and couldn't find the Kate Ceberano interview. Was it this weeks? Did she have a homebirth? How are those bubs of yours? Jo x From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nicole ChristensenSent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 1:47 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] quiet birth I have just finished reading an article in the Women's Weekly on 'Kate Cebrano's quiet birth'.which describes her belief re. labour birth, which they tie to her Scientology, that labour and birth be a gentle, peaceful, quiet experience my first thoughts were quite positive... yet, I wonder when she states "but you don't want to scream out to that effect at all" and "screaming and yelling might be your primary urge, and completely natural, but what your'e trying to avoid is any suggestion that there's trouble at hand". Does this mean moaning and growling too??? Overall, I think the article is positive in the fact that it highlights natural birth but just wonder what others think - regarding her belief on women holding back from being noisy ?? I don't think that being quiet whilst in labour is a bad thing if mother decides this at time of labour but wonder about pre-conceived ideals PRIOR to labour... which prevent her from groaning etc if she would normally feel comfortable in doing so. look forward to your thoughts... cheers, Nicole ps. I quite like Kate Cebrano - so I'm not anti her... AND I was quiet during the birth of my first baby - BUT this was after a noisy 24 hour labour 4 hours of pushing and really due to complete exhaustion.(and wasn't a premeditated thing).
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: moving during labour
Sue Yes - you're quite right. It is a Lennon and McCartney song, first released on the White Album in 1968 (not John Denver) - a real favourite of mine. Debbie - Original Message - From: Susan Cudlipp To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: moving during labour I thought it was the Paul McCartney version of Mother Nature's Son from the White Album. It was very beautiful anyway - what a lovely way to make a birth announcement, loved the music too Sue - Original Message - From: jayne To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: moving during labour Megan, If you are still interested in the music, (don't know ifthe momtold you) here you go: First song: Words and music by John Lennon and Paul McCartney John Denver version too.This song appears on two albums, and was first released on the Rocky Mountain High album, and has also been released on the An Evening With John Denver album as a live version.Born a poor young country boyMother Natures SonAll day long Im sitting singing songs for everyoneSit beside a mountain streamSee her waters riseListen to the sound of pretty music as she fliesFind me in my field of grassMother natures sonSwaying Daisies sing a lazy song beneath the sunAnd the 2nd song:"Do You Realize??" is one of the standout tracks from the Flaming Lips 2002 album, Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots. Do a search for the Flaming Lips and you'll find the lyrics. Regards Jayne - Original Message - From: megan davidson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 8:05 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fw: moving during labour - Original Message - From: daniel fairbanks To: megan davidson Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 5:34 AM Subject: moving during labour Hi I am actually going to put up my birth story, I was having "back" labour so I was trying every position I didn't really mean to have the baby squatting because my babies come fast we were trying to fix the cervical lip and then he just came in like three pushes he almost came in one I wish I would have been side lying because I had a 3rd degree tear, everything is healing and we love our little man..; ) Sonora mom to jude and three other blessing On Apr 16, 2004, at 4:34 AM, megan davidson wrote: I just wanted to say what a beautiful tribute to mother and child, your email /birth announcement was. I and many other women have been moved to tears by it.I was wondering if you could tell me the name and artist of the songs in the sound track?And this may seem like a silly question but some of the midwives on our email list had the impression that your partner did not move around much through the labour and spent alot of time on the bed. I realise that it is just a breif glipse of many moments and would appreciate being able to reassure them.I felt that the clip was a beautiful portrayel of a family welcoming a new member.Sincerly,Megan(midwife and mother)Daniel Fairbanks ::: w e b s i t e p r i n t d e s i g n :::3109 Stevely Ave. Long Beach, CA 90808(t) 562.496.8208 (c) 562.841.1850 (fx) 831.300.3029(e) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (w) http://www.danielfairbanks.com
[ozmidwifery] Maternity Stats in the UK
Here is news of the maternity stats from the UK published today. I got them from my NCT list from Miranda Dodwell who runs the BirthChoice web site. While it may be a statistical blip, it is heartening to see that the Caesarean rate hasen't risen, and I would like to think that it is due to the concerted effort of everyone in maternity services to reduce the rate. Debbie Today the Department of Health has published maternity statistics for England for the year 2002-03. These show that the caesarean rate is 22.0%, the same rate as last year. It is the first year in 20 years that the caesarean rate has not increased. It has shown a gradual year-on-year increase from 10.1% in 1984. The ratio of elective (planned) caesareans and emergency caesareans has also remained the same. The caesarean rate varies around the country, with women in the East of England being most likely to have their baby by caesarean (24.2%) and women in the East Midlands being least likely to have a caesarean (19.8%).The proportion of women having their babies induced has gone down 1%, from 21.5% in 2001-02 to 20.5% in 2002-03. This is continuing the trend of falling rates of induction which peaked in 1999-2000 at 21.8%. The induction rate also varies around the country, with women in the North-West being most likely to have their baby induced (22.2%) and women in London being least likely to have an induction (17.7%).Also included in the Department of Health's bulletin for the very first time is the "normal birth rate" for maternity units around England. This measures the proportion of women who gave birth without medical interventions such as induction, epidurals or other anaesthesia, instrumental deliveries or caesarean section.Normal birth rates have been available on the www.BirthChoiceUK website for the past two years, but following extensive liaison between BirthChoiceUK and the Department of Health they have now been included in official Government statistics.The normal birth rate for England has begun to rise after many years of decline. It now stands at 47% (compared to 45% in the previous year).The DH bulletin is available at www.publications.doh.gov.uk/public/sb0410.htm and the figures have been updated on the www.BirthChoiceUK.com website.Thank you to everyone in the NCT who supports the site. We really appreciate all your feedback and helpful comments.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Head Start
Denise Yes I did get it - thank you. Debbie - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 2:09 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Head Start Deb Thank you Did you get Cohen under last weeks Sunday paper??Denise - Original Message - From: Debbie Slater To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Head Start Denise Vivette gave me copies of some of papers several years ago, but don't know where I've put them. Here is a list of some of her recent papers: http://www.hammersmithresearch.com/researchers/publications.asp?resid=36 She works with Nick Fisk et al at Queen charlotte's in London. Here are some more articles: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1517520.stm http://www.findarticles.com/cf_0/m0999/7177_318/53744179/p1/article.jhtml She has an email too - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debbie - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Head Start Dear Deb Do you have a reference for this research??Denise - Original Message - From: Debbie Slater To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Head Start Denise and everyone Did anyone see the final of Primal Instinct last night about fears and phobias? They had a section on how stressed out mother rats give rise to stressed baby rats - not just through their genes, but through their 'parenting', as adopted baby rats with low cortisol levels became more stressed when raised by mum rats with high cortisol levels. I know similar reserach has been done by Vivette Glover in London, and I know that she is of the belief that stressed out women have stressed babies too ... Debbie - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: list Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:39 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Birth Head Start Dear All Can you write to Life Matters and recommend consideration of 1-on-1 midwifery as Evidenced Based best birthing services which should become part of the Head Start porgram ?? If you missed Life Matters yesterday see http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/lm/stories/s1062277.htm Even though the ABC said Over the last few years, evidence has affirmed the importance of the earliest months and years of life [even from conception, and earlier in some cases] in influencing learning, and mental and physical health throughout life. that again this programhas not made the leap back to nurturing the mother. It appears to be a another band-aiding/patching effort like the NSW Families First program particualrly as it being headed by the same "Commissioner" It seems Families First did not make that link though Gillian Calvert addressed the NSW Midwives conference in 2002?Denise Hynd
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Head Start
Denise Vivette gave me copies of some of papers several years ago, but don't know where I've put them. Here is a list of some of her recent papers: http://www.hammersmithresearch.com/researchers/publications.asp?resid=36 She works with Nick Fisk et al at Queen charlotte's in London. Here are some more articles: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1517520.stm http://www.findarticles.com/cf_0/m0999/7177_318/53744179/p1/article.jhtml She has an email too - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debbie - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Head Start Dear Deb Do you have a reference for this research??Denise - Original Message - From: Debbie Slater To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Head Start Denise and everyone Did anyone see the final of Primal Instinct last night about fears and phobias? They had a section on how stressed out mother rats give rise to stressed baby rats - not just through their genes, but through their 'parenting', as adopted baby rats with low cortisol levels became more stressed when raised by mum rats with high cortisol levels. I know similar reserach has been done by Vivette Glover in London, and I know that she is of the belief that stressed out women have stressed babies too ... Debbie - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: list Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:39 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Birth Head Start Dear All Can you write to Life Matters and recommend consideration of 1-on-1 midwifery as Evidenced Based best birthing services which should become part of the Head Start porgram ?? If you missed Life Matters yesterday see http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/lm/stories/s1062277.htm Even though the ABC said Over the last few years, evidence has affirmed the importance of the earliest months and years of life [even from conception, and earlier in some cases] in influencing learning, and mental and physical health throughout life. that again this programhas not made the leap back to nurturing the mother. It appears to be a another band-aiding/patching effort like the NSW Families First program particualrly as it being headed by the same "Commissioner" It seems Families First did not make that link though Gillian Calvert addressed the NSW Midwives conference in 2002?Denise Hynd
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Head Start
Denise and everyone Did anyone see the final of Primal Instinct last night about fears and phobias? They had a section on how stressed out mother rats give rise to stressed baby rats - not just through their genes, but through their 'parenting', as adopted baby rats with low cortisol levels became more stressed when raised by mum rats with high cortisol levels. I know similar reserach has been done by Vivette Glover in London, and I know that she is of the belief that stressed out women have stressed babies too ... Debbie - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: list Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:39 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Birth Head Start Dear All Can you write to Life Matters and recommend consideration of 1-on-1 midwifery as Evidenced Based best birthing services which should become part of the Head Start porgram ?? If you missed Life Matters yesterday see http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/lm/stories/s1062277.htm Even though the ABC said Over the last few years, evidence has affirmed the importance of the earliest months and years of life [even from conception, and earlier in some cases] in influencing learning, and mental and physical health throughout life. that again this programhas not made the leap back to nurturing the mother. It appears to be a another band-aiding/patching effort like the NSW Families First program particualrly as it being headed by the same "Commissioner" It seems Families First did not make that link though Gillian Calvert addressed the NSW Midwives conference in 2002?Denise Hynd
Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hypno birthing
For anyone who's interested .. I have just heard from fellow National Childbirth Trust antenatal teacher in the UK that she and her partner (who run a small publishing firm) have bought the rights to republish Childbirth Without Fear - it has been out of print for some years. Debbie Slater Perth, WA - Original Message - From: Diane Gardner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 1:54 PM Subject: Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hypno birthing Wow Andrea, what a biased approach. Sorry but I can't agree with you. You obviously haven't grasped the concept of HypnoBirthing at all. The modern interpretation of his work (Grantly Dick Read) has evolved into hypnobirthing which attempts to use autosuggestion and relaxation techniques learned in the pregnancy as aids to a pain free labour. The body automatically slows itself down creating more hormones in its approach to birth and we are finding more and more that women are working against the body's natural ability, working longer and pushing against this natural relaxation. Encouraging the body back into this relaxation puts it back at ease. At no time is it claimed with HypnoBirthing that birth WILL be painfree although many times it is but certainly women are much more comfortable during their labours. There is no evidence that a pain free labour is a normal labour, and indeed the essential and necessary feedback mechanism from the contractions (often experienced or described as pain) is important for a safe, natural birth. There is no evidence either that pain is an absolute necessary for a safe natural birth and our women certainly know when to work with their contractions. They are not spaced out or unaware of what is going on around them. It's such a shame that you couldn't talk with HypnoBirthing mothers to really find out THEIR truth rather than just writing it from an observers point of view. It's very sad that in our present environment Childbirth Education Classes run by many major hospitals (can only speak for Melbourne) are not preparing women well to give birth but doing their best with the liability restraints now out there. This is in no way bagging the people who teach them only the rules they have to follow. Sorry I am not meaning to tread on any toes here. I know that so many women just do not know what giving birth is really about and a lot is due to our present society demands and not having the peer support around them any more. I attended a class where 2 hours were spent discussing complications. If the couples weren't programmed when they went in, they certainly were when they walked out. Their faces told a a very sad story. I do not take what I do lightly and can only speak with what I HAVE observed. Women deserve to have the birthing they want to have and if that is working towards being more comfortable during labour then it IS their choice. I and many others have made wonderful observations of birth over the years and women learn HypnoBirthing because that's what THEY want to do not because we force them to do it. I take pride in the fact that I DO have an open mind and I certainly am not naive about birth. Diane Gardner - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 6:34 PM Subject: RE: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hypno birthing I've been having a long running discussion about hypnobirthing on my Diary. If you want to read the responses from the US contingent of hypnobirthers check out the entries and comments that were added in February. I also wrote some follow up pieces on endorphins and midwifery care that related to this issue. It is a hot issue for many people, but I still think that it is the type of care that these women seek out (midwives and often home birth) and the action of their own hormones (endorphins) that is enabling them to labour well rather than any learned technique. IF they want to ascribe their success to a technique rather than their own innate abilities (and pay for someone to convince them of this during their pregnancy) then that is their choice, of course. Regards, Andrea At 10:07 AM 11/03/2004, Judy Giesaitis wrote: This sounds interesting, is there a website for further information available please?? Judy Giesaitis. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE
Re: [ozmidwifery] why?
Mary The only thing I can think of is that if you are replying by hitting 'reply', then you may be selecting to 'reply to all' rather than 'reply to sender', and if any of the parts of the thread went to ozmid then your reply will go their too. Debbie - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: list Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 2:34 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] why? Could someone tell me why the messages that are being sent to other lists by Denise me are also going to Ozmid list? Or, ARE they turning up on your inbox too? I have two boxes. one general inbox one ozmid box. I am a little confused my 10yr old grandson is not visiting at the moment so my IT advisor is not here. MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] PushPal Birthing Aid - IS THIS FOR REAL
I have emailed this company telling them that I think the claims that they are making are misleading. Wonder what they will say? (If anything?) Interestingly, I tried to use the feedback form on their web site, but I was denied access ;-) Debbie Slater Perth, WA
Re: [ozmidwifery] sterile water injections
They are used in a few places in the UK, but is used more extensively in continental Europe. I have heard it can be very effective. Debbie Slater Perth, WA -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] babies in recovery room
Is it me being just a bit cynical - or was it just coincidence that they had a baby born live on TV on the same day that Australia's population reached 20 million? Of course, had it being a natural birth then this wouldn't have been possible Only caught a small part of it this morning, but thought it all looked rather stage managed, but at least the dr did say that sections were not to be undertaken lightly. Debbie Slater Perth, WA
Re: [ozmidwifery] Re virus
Diane and all Very often email virus work by sending out emails with the virus attached, using someone elses email address from the infected person's address book. So, while the email may have looked like it came from Diane, it will actually have comevia someone else who had Diane in his/ her address book. You may be able to find out the infected address by opening the email and where it says 'from' it will have the senders details and then the actual address of the infected person. Debbie Slater Perth, WA
Re: [ozmidwifery] ACOG and elective C/birth
Kirsten wrote: "Hi All, I'm back on the list now I've settled back into Perth." Welcome back to Perth. Maternity Coalition are getting geared up for making big noises to support the Community Midwifery program, as well as other things. If you'd like to get involved with things please let me know. Debbie
[ozmidwifery] Re: [MatCoWA] BBC article: Pregnancy care shake-up urged
Denise Back in the UK I was a member of three local Maternity Services Liason Committees (MSLC's) where consumers and OB's midwives, Health vistors, and GP's meet to discuss local health service provision - this was a member of the NCT. They worked well and it was interesting that evryone respected everyone's ideas - indeed I was often rung up by local OB's to help make representations from a consumer perspective (for example on the provision of homebirth services). These were statutory bodies that came out of Changing Childbirth. We suggested to Harry Cohen that WA could do with the same - don't know whether he will take us up on it :-) Debbie
Re: [ozmidwifery] sydney morning herald
Oh my God - that is dreadful !!! Debbie Justine Caines wrote: No Debbie Even worse straight random controlled trial between caesarean and vaginal birth (not VBAC). They think the can cut open the world! JC Justine Was this the ACTOBAC trial that they were talking about? We have gone off the burner a bit with this one. If this we need to renew our efforts if there is some news coverage about the ACTOBAC trial. Debbie Justine Caines wrote: Hi Claire and all I was contacted at 6.48 am (and anyone who knows me knows that's dangerous!) by ABC NSW to make comment. I also called in on ABC Sydney 702. I then alerted Barb Vernon at ACMI who was able to secure a spot on the national coverage of PM (just before 6pm tonight) She was great and argued that a randomised control trial is just SO unethical. This may sound strange but sometimes the most repugnant stuff is actually a blessing as it gets people questioning the former unquestioned/able. Letters to the SMH would be good Address [EMAIL PROTECTED] Justine Has anyone else read the article in the smh about the possible research into vaginal versus caesarian, which is better? The article is very anti the idea, but does anyone know more about it. I can't believe there are people with money who could give it for this, there are so many more worthwhile things to research and I can't possibly understand what previous research could justify this. I am confused as to how this possible tragedy to women could be about to happen. Are we heading for extinction of the human race? I will type the article in if anyone wants to see it, it is pretty unreal. Claire Saxby _ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] sydney morning herald
Justine Was this the ACTOBAC trial that they were talking about? We have gone off the burner a bit with this one. If this we need to renew our efforts if there is some news coverage about the ACTOBAC trial. Debbie Justine Caines wrote: Hi Claire and all I was contacted at 6.48 am (and anyone who knows me knows that's dangerous!) by ABC NSW to make comment. I also called in on ABC Sydney 702. I then alerted Barb Vernon at ACMI who was able to secure a spot on the national coverage of PM (just before 6pm tonight) She was great and argued that a randomised control trial is just SO unethical. This may sound strange but sometimes the most repugnant stuff is actually a blessing as it gets people questioning the former unquestioned/able. Letters to the SMH would be good Address [EMAIL PROTECTED] Justine Has anyone else read the article in the smh about the possible research into vaginal versus caesarian, which is better? The article is very anti the idea, but does anyone know more about it. I can't believe there are people with money who could give it for this, there are so many more worthwhile things to research and I can't possibly understand what previous research could justify this. I am confused as to how this possible tragedy to women could be about to happen. Are we heading for extinction of the human race? I will type the article in if anyone wants to see it, it is pretty unreal. Claire Saxby _ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Post Natal Depression / breastfeeding and one-on-one midwifery
Christina The request originally was posted to the yahoogroup list for the WA branch of the Maternity Coalition. We have a presentation planned for state politicians, and we are gathering information for this - hence the question. If you are interested in joining that list please email me offlist and I will invite you on. If you are in another state I believe that there are other Maternity Coalition yahoogroups for some of the states Debbie Christina Damien wrote: Denise, I am interested in the other list, the one where this question was posted. I am just interested to know of other lists which are discussing such items. Christina. -Original Message- From: Denise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, 26 September 2003 2:39 Subject: [ozmidwifery] Post Natal Depression / breastfeeding and one-on-one midwifery Dear Ozmid I have request from another list - which I have answered breifly but thought others with more research expertise on Ozmid may have more references regarding Does anyone know of any research documenting the lower rate of pnd and higher rate of breastfeeding oassociated with primary midwifery care? Please reply asap! Cheers - Amy via Denise Hynd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=194081.3897168.5135684.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705061449:HM/A=1706996/R=0/SIG=11p5b9ris/*http://www.ediets.com/start.cfm?code=30509media=atkins -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth support group in Wales?
She should contact her local branch of the NCT - as many branches have local homebirth support groups. Their contact details are on the web site - nctpregnancyandbabycare.com They will also be able to tell her about all the local options for her - birth centres/ hospital/ midwives/ aand, as you say, she should have no problem with a homebirth in the NHS. The NCT can also help her with antenatal classes, postnatal support and breastfeedinng support. If she does come across any problems then she should contact the government minister who has been charged with making sure that women can access homebirths through the NHS - can't remember her name off hand - but the local nct will know. There is an email yahoogroup for homebirths in the UK - [EMAIL PROTECTED] to subscribe I would also recommend joining the nct general chat group - [EMAIL PROTECTED] There are plenty of members there in Wales who may be able to help her with all sorts of things and even make contact with her directly. They are a really supportive and friendly group - I've been a member for nearly 5 years :-) If I can help any further, please pass on my email to her and she can email me direct. Debbie Slater NCT member - now in Perth, WA Andrea Robertson wrote: Hi Jo, In all my travels in Wales I haven't come across any community groups for homebirth such as HAS. There are NCT (National Childbirth Trust) groups but they are broad based, not just focusing on home birth. BTW, if she wants a home birth while she is in Wales, she should be able to have one, without any problems, through the National Health Service. They have a new Welsh Government intitiative in place that is really supportive of midwifery and home birth, and the rate of homebirths is climbing rapidly in most areas. The Caerphilly Birth Centre is also an excellent mdiwifery unit (not far out of Cardiff). If your member wants any other ideas, she can email me and I will give her some contacts Regards, Andrea At 07:34 PM 6/09/2003, jo hunter wrote: Hi all, I had one of our members contact me today, she explained that she and her family were moving to Wales at Christmas time and would like to link up with a group similar to H.A.S. in Wales. Does anyone know of such a group? Thanks in advance. Jo Hunter - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth support group in Wales?
Jo Have just seen your email. I have NCT stuff here at home - I can post details to you. Email me offlist. Debbie Slater Perth, WA jo hunter wrote: Excellent...thanks for that Andrea. Could you possibly post the contact details of these groups for me? The woman seeking this info doesn't have email, so I will be snail mailing it all to her. Cheers Jo - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth support group in Wales? Hi Jo, In all my travels in Wales I haven't come across any community groups for homebirth such as HAS. There are NCT (National Childbirth Trust) groups but they are broad based, not just focusing on home birth. BTW, if she wants a home birth while she is in Wales, she should be able to have one, without any problems, through the National Health Service. They have a new Welsh Government intitiative in place that is really supportive of midwifery and home birth, and the rate of homebirths is climbing rapidly in most areas. The Caerphilly Birth Centre is also an excellent mdiwifery unit (not far out of Cardiff). If your member wants any other ideas, she can email me and I will give her some contacts Regards, Andrea At 07:34 PM 6/09/2003, jo hunter wrote: Hi all, I had one of our members contact me today, she explained that she and her family were moving to Wales at Christmas time and would like to link up with a group similar to H.A.S. in Wales. Does anyone know of such a group? Thanks in advance. Jo Hunter - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Polyhydramnios
Rhonda Sorry to hear how you feel your son's birth was treated. I have suffered polyhydramnios twice, and both because of fetal hydrops. First time it was undiagnosed, but second time wasn't. First time, labour was quick, and no real idea there was a problem (apart from the fact that I was 30 weeks). Second time, it was 6 weeks between diagnosis and birth. In that case OB and paediatricain were both anxious for me to have a vaginal delivery. A CS was definately turned down. I had drugs to minimise the fluid build up, but cord prolopse was never mentioned. I had ARM at the end of 1st stage, - 2nd stage 8 minutes. In both cases, I had ARM - waters never broke (and yet for my first pregnancy, they broke before labour). Unfortunately, for the first case, my son did not survive ( because of the hydrops), the second is now nearly 9. Rhonda wrote: Yes - cord prolaps - I was told that due to the excessfluid Icould have my waters break at any time from 31 weeks.I was not keptin hospital and not told to take it easyat all, Not even toldat thatstage of a risk of cord prolaps (not even told to check for it if mywaters broke.)I worked, shopped etc etc - did all normal things -actually ran my own shop and worked at 40+ weeks. Walking to the hospital from work for a check up where the Ob. felt the head and saidthat they could break soon or they would do ARM next week. I leftthe hospital and walked back to shop - still had no warning of anypossible cord prolaps. So when the Ob. decided she wanted to do a c/s due to the risk ofprolasp it was my theorythat if the waters broke (as I had been toldto expect) at work or in the supermarket - cord prolaps may be a realproblem - but when I was asking to have ARM as an alternative to c/s in ahospital with the controlled environment and supposed knowledgesupposed trained staff etc- then it should have been my choiceto go with the risk of that - not them refusing. Three dr's said that they could and would but were not allowed to treat me - so theone I got wouldn't. I guess it is just another breach of womens rights - justified by red tape. Less risk involved with a c/s than the minimal risk of cord prolaps - now I was sure that there was some riskwith a c/s?? Sorry - just feeling a bit sarcastic tonight. regardless of how anyone tries to justify the way I was treated - it stillsucks! george will be 4 next month and somehow his birthday is ahard time for me. Most of the year I manage to forget but his birthday is a very sad time for me. Rhonda. ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, August21, 2003 18:38:38 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Polyhydramnios I think that because polyhydramnios can be a symptom of serious disorders usually with the baby this is a good reason to investigate withscans and blood tests. Once this is done one can assume it is a normalvariation (rather than deviation) of pregnancy. However, I dothink,it is reasonable and important to try to rule out possible disorders/problems that may be able to be corrected when detected. Onegood reason for not doing ARM with polyhydramnios is possible cordprolapse especially if the head is not engagged. I have been quiet for a while due to my laptop getting infected withthe blasterworm. So, I was able to get my emails but it would shut downreally quickly plus I didn't want to risk sending it to anyone. Myfirewall is now supposed to be activated and my computer is dewormed andvirus free. AGAIN!! Perhaps I should read those emails from microsoft andinstall updates!!! ummm!!! marilyn - Original Message - From: Rhonda To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Polyhydramnios I had Polyhydramnious with my second - at 29 weeks was toldthat "false" pre term labour was caused by the fact that my uteruswas already the size it should be at 40 weeks. At 36 weeks I was larger than a
Re: [ozmidwifery] Polyhydramnios
In my own personal experience of polyhydramnios there was problem with my baby (hydropic with pleural effusions and ascites). Intrauterine shunts corrected the problem and his was born at 36 weeks. The labour was completely without a hicup. Debbie Sheena Johnson wrote: Does anyone have any experience with polyhydramnios in an otherwise normal pregnancy. All the scans and blood screens have come back negative. There are conflicting dates between 36 to 38 wks, measuring 37wks at midwives clinic and 38 wks at GP/Obs surgery,challenge also negative. Mum has had a previous 22wk induced abortion for severe spina bifida, but with a different partner and has one health child with this partner. Just wondering how common extra fluid is and how much is too much. 8 wk scan results being chased up as taken interstate. Sheena Johnson Midwifery Student -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Juliee Oakley
We had a recent conversation about her - mattress wrapping and SIDS. She has been spammin the UK mid list too. Patience there is running thin - but she has spammed there before. Again, the message is - spam is not the way to get your message across. Debbie Slater Perth, WA -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] lowering caesarean rate
Megan It was me that posted, but don't have the original posting, as I have since changed ISP. What I will try and do is find the original posting that I received. Debbie Slater Perth, WA Larry Megan wrote: did anyone file away the posting on the hospital in UK that lowered its C/S rate by a dramatic amount just by making some changes such as relocating the bed, updating education on reading monitors, etc, do you remember the one? I have searched and can't find it, I wish to send it along with a letter to a head of one of our hospitals in SA that has drastically reduced women's VBAC rates by taking it out of the birth centre and into labour ward only. I was hoping to inspire them to reconsider their decision, for what it is worth. thanks in advance Megan -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Reducing C/S rates
Mary/ Megan This was the one I was thinking of, which was posted about 6 months or so ago: "The North Hampshire Hospital, Basingstoke, has halved its caesarean section rate! The Head of the Labour Ward (Carol) is behind it, supported by the Lead Obstetrician (Claire). Carol was at the last Rising Caesarean Rate Conference in January and expressed her frustration that it was all very well but what *exactly* had to happen to get the rate down. The Maternity Forum met last week, and since we have just lost our administrative support goodness knows when we'll get any minutes so what follows is from my memory: The graph showed that the csr peaked in Dec/Jan at around 28-30%. There was lots of talk about how they could get the rate down. From May there has been a steady decline in the rate reaching 15% in October, and 13% over the first couple of weeks in November. They are hoping to be able to maintain this. They are really excited by their success, but it was clear they wanted to maintain it for a few more months before they feel confident to start shouting about it. The year end csr won't show the dramatic improvement although they are expecting it to end up at around 20% overall as opposed to 25% last year. So, how have they done it. Well it is multifactorial. 1. Feb/March saw the annual change of registrars. Two female registrars joined who are very pro vaginal birth. 2. VBAC - women with a history of caesarean section are encouraged to labour. 3. Breech - Despite results of the Term Breech Trial, they are still supporting those women who wish to give birth vaginally to breech presenting babies to do so. In 1991 3% of breech babies were born vaginally, currently 15% of breech babies are born vaginally. 4. CTG training package - Last year they had a doctor who was very interested in this and who put together a very good training package for the midwives resulting in better interpretation of EFM traces. 5. Carol was given a small amount of money to spend on improving things for women. She decided the beds in the labour rooms looked very clinical and spent the money on nice duvet covers and pillow cases (no, wait, keep reading). She then moved the beds so they are along the wall, with a chair in front of bed. Male partners are encouraged to sit on bed with the labouring woman using the chair. Women then generally stand up and move for contractions, the more upright position being better for labour. She has had to fight to keep those beds along the walls. Auxillary staff keep moving them back to the middle and it sounded like she has had a bit of a set to with them. Her and Claire have had to be very persistent in moving the beds back! But she has won. 6. Induction - There has been a change of induction procedure. Epidurals are no longer fitted before induction but are available afterwards if and when needed. Women are finding that they can cope with induced labour and midwives are gaining confidence that women can cope. More inductions are being carried out since it is now policy to induce at 10 days (due to NICE guidelines) rather than 12 days as previously, but more are resulting in spontaneous vaginal deliveries. 7. Midwife ventouse practitioners - Basingstoke now have four midwives trained to do ventouse deliveries. In 55% of cases where a midwife is called to carry out a ventouse delivery, a spontaneous vaginal birth is achieved. But more important are the opportunities this gives for experienced midwives to pass on their skills to less experienced midwives. What these measures have succeeded in doing is changing the attitude of the unit as a whole. It is early days yet, but they have high hopes of being able to sustain the change. They have recently taken on a new obs and Carol says she made it very clear to him at their first meeting that this is how things are going to be run and that he will have to fit in. There was another graph too. Just in case anyone thinks they are doing less cs and more forceps/ventouse that is not the case. The forceps/ventouse deliveries have remained unchanged. The number of caesareans has gone down and the number of svd's has gone up. I am so please this has happened anywhere, but for it to happen on my patch is great - although I can claim absolutely no credit whatsoever!" Whatever, it shows that some UK hospitals are taking the issue to heart and trying to do something about it. Debbie Mary Murphy wrote: Megan, is this the one you wanted??cheers, MM 'Thought you all might be interested in a recent posting on an NCT list that I am on. The hospital they are talking about is St George's in Tooting, London. Yet another example of how a different approach to childbirth can make a difference. "I think Gail posted a message a while ago saying how St George's have
[ozmidwifery] Sun baths
Lois wrote: Hi Tina, my understanding is that normal bright 'white' daylight in a well lit room is adequate to facilitate the conversion of bilirubin in it's fat soluble form stored in the tissue, to the water soluble form, which is then returned to the bloodstreamfor processing through the GI system for excretion. I was always told just to put babies in a well-lit room (and this was in the lukewarm sunlight of the northern hemisphere - London to be exact). This is just from a mother's perspective. Debbie Slater
Re: [ozmidwifery] blank emails
Rita That has been my experience too. I thought it was probably me, but maybe it is not. I am only experiencing the problem with birthnews, not with ozmid. I emailed Jan about this, but she couldn't explain it. At first, all the birthnews emails I received were blank. Now, I receive some and not others. There is no consistency between them - for example, I have received both blank and usual emails from the same people. Debbie Slater Perth, WA Deliverywoman wrote: Hello Listers, I seem to be having a bit of difficulty with some of the e-mails that are posted to these lists and also birthnews. Some e-mails come through totally blank, they are mainly from certain people. I don't know if all these people are using the same ISP such as bigpond, optusnet or whatever. I am looking into opening a new yahoo email account as I like to keep my 'mid' things separately which is what this address was for, but am experiencing these blank emails. I might point out that sometimes when a reply has been sent with the original message that appeared blank to me is then visible. I would just like to ask some of the main people that I receive the emails blank what e-mail they are sending with if you could reply to me off list that would be appreciated, if it is possible could you please send the reply to both address' below, so I can see if it is still blank when you e-mail me directly or if it just via the list that they appear blank. The main listers that I receive the e-mails as blank are: Julie Clarke Marilyn Kleidon (although every now and again I do get ones to read) Graham Kelly Larry Megan there are a few others, but had not written them down, if I am able to find out that it is the same e-mail program, I might be able to fix the problem from my own ISP email account. If not then I will set about creating a new email address via yahoo as I also had problems with the lists when I used my hotmail address. That is what made me create this email primarily for mid related lists and yahoo groups. The two emails I would like those mentioned above to email me their e-mail that they use to post are this one = deliverywoman @ dodo.com.au mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] and I would appreciate a cc going to deliverywoman_aus @ yahoo.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( I have added spaces only due to the fact that occassionally the email address is not printed out in full so the gaps will hopefully allow you to see the full address. My current e-mail that I am using at dodo, so if someone might be able to suggest what the problem may be I would appreciate any input to help. My apologies for this inconvenience but desperately want to be able to read the posts. Thanking you in advance -- Yours in Childbirth and with the Love of Friendship Rita VRWM Mother of David 13, Haydie 11, Alysha 10 and Tyler - 1 Registered Nurse, Student Midwife (currently in hiatus due to injury), Birth Attendant/Doula/Montrice and aspiring CBE -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] melbourne
Here in WA, Birthplace support group go into schools to talk about childbirth and parenting issues, but we only go in once a year (I recently did one for a Yr 10 class), and it is only one hour in the whole year (and probably school career). I am currently studying to be a high school teacher (science and maths), and I would love to be able to use my childbirth education qualifications/ experience in whatever school I go to maybe develop something. I am hoping to do my final 6 week prac in a school which has a program for teenage mums - in the hope that I can work in the program (as well as doing the science/ maths). Luckily the new Curriculum Framework in WA is extremely flexible in terms of how curriculum can be delivered - so this should help. Sally can fill me in when she gets back. Debbie Slater Perth - just back from teaching year 12's about Newton's Laws of Motion :-) Lois Wattis wrote: Hi Tracy! We met in Noosa at the Birth Issues Conference - remember? Glad to hear your Core of Life program is going so well. Yes, the issues are the same in WA, and it would be WONDERFUL to have it running here somewhere (everywhere!). The consumer support group for my local area, the Peel Region, called Pregnancy Resources Midwifery Support Group (PRMS) have raised their concerns about the prevalence of teenage pregnancies. We/they have started a general education program covering Labour Birth, Spiritual birth alternate therapies, breastfeeding, newborn care, and caesarean birth VBAC in separate sessions. It's already a fairly big program for a small group, but getting good 'reviews', and numbers growing steadily. (Have a look at my website www.birthjourney.com http://www.birthjourney.com and select the PRMS page to find out more). I'm sure Core of Life would be an ideal program to address the teenage issues also. Could you send me an info pack, particularly your requirements/advice about time required for presenters to prepare etc. so I can pass it on for consideration by PRMS. We may need to apply for a grant to pay for the program, depending on the cost? Say hello to Sally W. if you see her in her travels. Best wishes, Lois - Original Message - From: mark day mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] melbourne Hi Tina, We are midwives working on the Mornington Peninsula in Melbourne and we have just seen this email. We have designed a program which is now spreading statewide which educates adolescents aboutthe realities of Pregnancy Birth and Early Parenting its called the Core of Life. We have also started to have contacts from other states. If possible it would be great to catch up for a chat to see if the issues are the same in WA and if you think there might be a place for this form of education there. Look forward to hearing Tracy Smith - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] melbourne In a message dated 13/06/03 8:35:44 PM AUS Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Folks, I'm going to be in melbourne for the next 3 weeks. If anyone would like to have a yarn about midwifery stuff with me while i'm over ease let me know. Any study/conference/networking opportunities over east please also alert me to. Love Sally Westbury Homebirth Midwife Community Midwifery Program Western Australia Hi Sally, would love to carch up when your here, let me know if your coming home to Geelong with love TinaXX -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery - or twilight baby?
Jo But don't you think that - as in many things - if we don't understand something then it can fill us with horrors? Many women see childbirth depicted so horribly and with nothing to compare it with - see those depictions as the reality. It is not until we experience it - either through giving birth oureslves or coming into contact with the experience directly, e.g. by being with friends or relatives - that we can truly understand. We still have the legacy too - of the 'days of yore' when childbirth could be truly horrible, and it did - in many cases - enslave women and disempower them. Debbie Jo Dean Bainbridge wrote: USA feminists at the time actually campaigned for its use I find the feminist stance on child birth to be really interesting - as I can not understand why they advocate the rights of women to subject themselves to major surgery to avoid the horrors of labour?? I say 'horrors' as this was the term used when the first and last feminist argued with me against women's rights in child birth. Does anyone have any idea as to why they just don't seem to get it?? Jo Bainbridge founding member CARES SA www.cares-sa.org.au http://www.cares-sa.org.au [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 08 8388 6918 birth with trust, faith love... - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery - or twilight baby? Hi Rhonda: yes exactly as Mary said a mixture of scopolamine and morphine, quite commonly used in the USA from sometime around 1914 until 1940's-1950's when it became less popular. I have met women in the USA in their fifties now who were administered twilight sleep as it was called during their labours in the 1960's. So, it hung around in some places for a while. I think it emerged at the turn of the 20th century in Germany was promoted by some doctor there as Mary said for painless labour and wealthy women from the USA and presumably other countries would travel to his clinic for their deliveries (which in fact they were). USA feminists at the time actually campaigned for its use and such advocates along with innovative doctors were responsible for its introduction there. So much for consumer demand. Scopolamine of course eliminates memory and morphine, the pain. From all reports labour wards were horrendous places to be when it was commonly used as women would be screaming and were often restrained, although waking with no memory of the nightmare. Some women however liked it. I had a neigbour in Seattle: a lovely woman in her 80's who had had 3 of her 4 babies from the 30's to 40's with twilight sleep and loved it. Others hated it and some women and babies died because of it. Many of the babies were born quite flat and needed resusc. Became quite normal at the time. Weird heh? marilyn - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 3:00 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery - or twilight baby? Hi, My 88yr old mother, a midwife in a previous life, tells me that it was a mixture of morphine and scopolamine. she was injected with it it in 1950, against her protests, for the birth of my sister and nearly died with an anaphylactic shock reaction. It was a common injection for painless labour. It was painless alright because women were unconcious and sometimes couldn't remember giving birth MM - Original Message - From: Rhonda mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 5:19 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery - or twilight baby? Hi, all of you knowledgable women, I was talking to a friend today who said that her sister in law who was born in the 1940's claims to be a twilight baby? Apparently her mother - who has passed away now and cannot explain the reason - had her first child as a natural delivery - the second was this weird delivery where she went into hospital on her due day not in labour - got put to sleep and then woke up having delivered the baby vaginally while asleep or in twilight! The next two were normal, natural births. Does anyone know about this practice - obviously not done now days - i presume! She was curious about how it was done and why it may have been done. Any ideas?
Re: [ozmidwifery] Is this normal Hypnobirthing Philosophy?
Julie My understanding is that the origins of the current Hypnobirthing is the work of Grantly Dick-Read. Grantly Dick-Read was a UK obstetrician who wrote Childbirth Without Fear, and his work came about after he worked with women in the East End of London. In particular, one young women is supposed to have said to him - about childbirth It didn't hurt. It wasn't meant to, was it, doctor? He developed the theory that fear was the reason women found childbirth painful, and he developed the idea of relaxation for childbirth and so on. So, yes, it is the fear-tension-pain cycle that you refer to. The National Childbirth Trust (NCT) that I am a member of, and trained as a CBE with, began in 1956 - with Sheila Kitzinger and others - based on his work. We look at it from the fear-tension-pain cycle viewpoint. I found the following on a (US) website: An increasingly popular group inspired by Dick-Read is HypnoBirthing Childbirth Education. The group, founded by hypnotherapist Marie Mongan, is based on the fear-tension-pain syndrome and how understanding leads to relaxation and a painless birth. Hope this helps. Debbie Slater Perth, WA Julie Clarke wrote: Hi I had a couple in one of my hospital classes, yesterday explain to me that they?d booked in to a hypnobirthing course in the Eastern suburbs which cost them several hundred dollars for 2 days. The main thrust of the philosophy of the MAN conducting the course was (according to them): ?Birth is not normally supposed to be painful and it is only painful if the woman is scared?. I expressed surprise and mild concern over the idea, I didn?t want to seem negative especially after all the money they?d spent, but my personal thought was what ridiculous bullshit!!! It certainly pushed my buttons!!! Has anyone else heard of this philosophy? Is it accurate of all hypnobirthing courses? I have wondered if this is simply a misinterpretation and /or exaggeration of the credible concept tension-fear-pain cycle. What do you think? Hug Julie Julie Clarke Childbirth and Parenting Educator Transition into Parenthood 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224. T. (02) 9544 6441 Mobile 0401 2655 30 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] KEMH (baby under the light)
As you say, Maggie, parents are often given information which they do not - indeed cannot - take in because of the stresses of the situation. From my experience of working with parents in SCBU - parents often need this information to be reiterated several times - once is often not enough. Unfortunately - the stresses of working in neonatal units/ shift patterns and so on - often mean that it is very difficult to do this. This is where supporters/ advocates who have experience of this situation can be of great help. One common communication problem is the issue of feeding and when babies can go home. Many mothers receive mixed messages/ perceive information about establishing feeding, and when their babies can go home that they get terribly anxious and can cause all sorts of misunderstandings - through no fault of anyone in particular - just the dynamics of the situation. There is a wonderful book - Crucial Decisions at the Beginning of Life by Hazel McHaffie. It makes harrowing reading at times, and although it is about the impact of making decisions for treatment withdrawal from young babies, many of the issues it raises, and suggestions it makes, are relevent for babies in neonatal units - whether or not they are very ill. Communication is one issue that is particularly highlighted. This book won the Medical Book of the Year for 2002 from the British Medical Association. It is available from ACE Graphics/ Birthinternational - and there is a review (done by me :-))on the web site http://www.acegraphics.com.au/product/book/bk697-review.html Debbie Slater Perth, WA Sadie Geraghty wrote: Hi Jaqueline, I work at KEMH, and I although I am unable to discuss the case you have highlighted, I have to say that interpreters are always used for women whose first language is not english. Unfortunately, women do not always hear what is being said at the time - often because the interpretation does not strictly explain situations like isoimmunisation, or they are overwhelmed or stressed by the situation which is perfectly understandable. Many times I have discussed things with women of all cultures, only to go into the room the next day and be told that no-one has told me. It sounds as if your friend was originally quite happy with the explanations given - until she spoke to you? Regards, Maggie. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] KEMH (baby under the light)
This is just an observation. I can't comment on the case per se, but this thread has reminded me of a particular issue which is very dear to me. When you have a baby in special care (and I have had) it is important to feel that you are included in decisions and informed, otherwise a difficult time can be made even harder. In the UK, I helped run a support group for parents with babies in SCBU. We would offer to listen to parents (as parents who had already been in similar situations), but also to help them in more practical ways - such as find interpreters, helping transport EBM from one hospital to another (something we had to do once when a lady had twins in different hospitals). Staff in the unit would call us to help and we would visit the unit on a regular basis. I think we really did help. When I moved here nearly 3 years ago, I volunteered to set something similar at KEMH, but found that I wasn't able to get the OK from the powers that be (despite support from staff in the Nursery). It is situations like this that cry out for someone to support/ advocate etc. - it may well be that everything that is being done is appropriate, but this lady needs someone to be with her at a time that can be very bewildering. I am not having a go at the staff at all - it is very difficult for them to provide this 'extra' support - which is why we were called upon often by the staff at the JR in the UK. I hope everything goes well for her. Debbie Slater Perth, WA Neretlis, Bethany wrote: kemh has a special care nursery on ground floor and if her baby is on another floor, then this is where her baby is. it sounds very like the babe is issoimmunised, and it sounds as if babe is recieving standard treatment. as to the doing great part, i would guess the babe is behaving appropriatly with regards to its medical condition. tell your friend all the wards have a telephone interpreter phone which is an excellent although slow way of being able to explain and question what is happening. your friend just needs to ask to use this free service. regard bethany -Original Message- From: Jaqueline Marwick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 9 June 2003 00:46 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] KEMH (baby under the light) Hi Kirsten and everyone :) Since you mentioned KEMH May I ask... do you work at KEMH btw? Or does anyone here work at KEMH? I have a friend who is there at the moment, she is Brazilian and hardly speaks any English, especially these obstetric terms... anyway, she has a RH negative blood and having her second child , was asked to be induced on the 3rd of June (last TUESDAY), when her baby was due on the 21st of June. When I asked her why the doctor decided to induce her so early she simpy said she didn't quite understand much of what they say anyway, but she trusts they know what they are doing *sigh* She then told me that even babies who are born very prematurely and as little as 750 grams in weight all have their lives saved by this hospital. During her labour, which was to be induced with the gel the staff told her she had to have the drip on in order to have contractions and so she promptly agreed. Well, today is Sunday and her baby has been under the light non-stop for having jaundice since the day she was born, last tuesday. Her baby was not allowed to even feed at her breast because they claim she needs to be under the light continuously, so mum is pumping milk onto a bottle and the nurses are feeding her baby who is on another floor The doctor who assisted her at birth has not been back, and the midwives tell her that her baby is doing great Would anyone know why a baby who is doing great is kept away from her mother for so many days? It sounds to me as if she is not being fully informed. Thanks very much Jackie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kirsten Blacker Sent: Saturday, 7 June 2003 10:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] midwifery in India I know some years back one of the midwives I worked with at KEMH used to volunteer at Mother Teresa's hospital in Calcutta. I have no idea how you would go about organising that - maybe contact Internation Red Cross? Kirsten From: Julie Garratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ozmid [EMAIL PROTECTED],Bmid [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] midwifery in India Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 20:57:02 +0930 Hello wise people:) A few of the Bmid students and I are planing a trip to India this Christmas to experience midwifery in another culture. What we're wondering is have any of you been over there and had any birth experiences with Indian women. Do you think we could volenteer at a hospital or midwifery clinic? Does anyone have any contacts? Were only in the planning stages at the moment and your imput would be great. Cheers, Julie
Re: [ozmidwifery] Interesting..
It is well known that babies 'wee' in utero - so why not 'the other'? Debbie Anne Clarke wrote: - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: list Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 7:49 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Interesting.. American Journal of Obstets Gynae. Vol 188. jan 2003 pgs 153-156 Defecation in utero: A physiologic fetal function C. Lpez Ramn y Cajal MDa and R. Ocampo Martnez MDb >From the Unit of Prenatal Diagnosis, Service of Obstetrics andGynecology,a and the Service of Interne Medicine, XeralHospital.b Received 30 November 2001; revised 18April 2002. Available online 7 February 2003. Abstract Objective: The objective of this study was to investigate the occurrence ofin utero defecation as a normal function in the human fetus. Study Design: Theanuses of 240 fetuses were studied sonographically between weeks 15 and 41 ofgestation. Fetal defecation was defined as the expulsion of rectal contentsthrough the anus into the amniotic fluid. The diameter and area of the anuswere measured sonographically at times of maximum anal aperture. Results: Oneor more defecations were documented in all fetuses. The frequency ofdefecations was highest between week 28 and 34 of gestation. Conclusion: Thisstudy confirms that defecation in utero is a normal function and supports theview that the evacuation of rectal contents into the amniotic fluid is nodeparture from normal fetal physiologic behavior. (Am J Obstet Gynecol2003;188:153-6.) .
Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastmilk and vitamin D supplements
A recent piece on TV here in Oz suggested that many Australian women are now Vit D deficient for the same reason . Judy Chapman wrote: Saw a documentary some time ago on the increased Vit D deficiency in the women of groups who cover completely like many Muslims do. One of the points they made is that in their own country the houses often had an inside courtyard so that the women could get some sun but that is not part of the Australian style of building so these women are covered all of the time and miss out on the sun. Hence an increase in rickets in women of this group. Cheers Judy From: "Marilyn Kleidon" Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastmilk and vitamin D supplements Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 14:53:08 -0700 I think the gist of the article is that covering up your skin either with clothes or with sunblock reduces exposure to the sun and hence our natural source of vitamin D. There IS an increased incidence of rickets in the USA. I thought is was mainly due to the increased covering up and the increased consumption of junk food softdrinks juices etc that would not be supplemented (like milk is there) with Vitamin D. Do remeber that sun exposure in cold climates is just NOT like sun exposure here. I don't think breast milk is particularly high in Vit D, nature assuming that we (humans) would be exposed to the sun for the minimal times it takes to make the Vitamin. Also, indigenous people that thrived in these climates used a lot of fish oil in their diet if not as supplements (I would be interesting to know the level of Vit D in the breast milk of such women). Maybe I am terribly wrong but I don't think the small amount of time required for the sun to stimulate Vit D prod! ! uction would cause skin cancer, but by the way some folks cover up you would think so. marilyn - Original Message - From: Graham Helen To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 8:48 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Breastmilk and vitamin D supplementsCheck out this recent BBC article claiming that breastfed babies should be given vitamin D supplements.I find it a bit hard to "swallow" http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2924471.stm Helen Cahill ninemsn Extra Storage is now available. 30MB of storage on ninemsn Groups - great for sharing photos and documents. Sign up now. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Doula in Melbourne (Debbie)
Lesia This was a general reply to a message that Lois Wattis posted regarding the role of a postnatal doula. HTH Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry Debbie, Was this a reply to me or did I miss an email (again). Cheers Lesia In a message dated 26/05/2003 15:46:01 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lois It is my - limited - experience that postnatal doulas help new mums by doing things for them so that the mother can spend most/ all of their time concentrating on the mothering and nurturing - rather than maternity nurses, or what have you, that take over the care of the baby to allow the mum to rest :-) What they do can vary from doula to doula - but can include things like cooking, looking after other kids etc.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Interesting..
Yes - I suppose what I was trying to say was that it is considered normal for babies to wee 'in utero', so why shouldn't it be normal to pass meconium. When Jamie had his problems and I had the polyhydramnios, I was given Indomethacine to control Jamie's urine output and so reduce the amount of amniotic fluid. Debbie Mary Murphy wrote: Debbie wrote: "It is well known that babies 'wee' in utero - so whynot 'the other'?" Deb, it is not so much that they do it, but how we interpret it. Wehave for years been told that meconium in the liqour is a sign of "Fetal Distress" There have been many unnecessary operative procedures carried out on women and babies because it was concluded that slowed Fetal Heart Rate(mostly normal head compression dips) and meconium stained liqour meantdistressed baby. Then Voila! Apgars of 9 10 at birth or C/S. Midwives, women and doctors too have taken the blame for all sorts of things that happen to babies. (Not denying some negligence claims aretrue.) It has been known by midwives gor generations that women past their "due date" frequently have meconioum stained liqour.If ispresent...panic! Now we also know that the symptoms of meconiumpneumonia and "meconium aspiration" are mostly present in the lungs beforebirth because babies do these marvelous "breathing actions" that we didn'tknow about before U.S studies told us so. It is very complicated.So, this piece of research is a very helpful piece of the jig-saw.cheers, MM .
Re: [ozmidwifery] KEMH report.
Mary Murphy wrote: Thanks to those who forwarded advice and/or the file. I have read it all and it makes fascinating reading for us West Australians. Cheers, MM Mary Are you being judicious in your choice of words? :-) I have only skimmed through parts, but what I have read seemed quite scary. How much could be due to the fact that it is a tertiary centre - with a disproportionate number of 'high-risk' pregnancies? Debbie
