[ozmidwifery] C/S increasing Bierhrate
Dear All Research to Remember ~~ Researchers at Aberdeen University Medical School in Scotland found, in a 17 year long study of more than 25,000 women, that those who had had a caesarean were less likely to have another baby, and that those who did waited longer than mothers who had vaginal births. The researchers also found that the women who had a caesarean were also more likely to have an ectopic pregnancy the next time. ~ BJOG August 2005, 112(8): 1061. An interesting piece of research for politicians!! Denise Hynd Can afford, we as a species to be born and to give birth dispassionately ? Dr Sarah J Buckley p 35 'Gentle Birth, Gentle Mothering' (2005)
Re: [ozmidwifery] Background Breifing today
Dear Rachel Every letter and statement of fact is also contributing to the drops of information that may turn into a torrent and break the walls of ignorance down so do not stop Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Rachael Austin To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Background Breifing today Great reply!! It makes me so mad when the facts are ill presented. It is no wonder women enter into pregnancy with some truely warped ideas. I have written into many tv shows when they talk about the positives and negatives of breastfeeding (like there are really negatives???) and csect birth vs vaginal birth. Mainly, it is like hitting my head against a brick wall...but it makes me feel better. GentleBirth Pregnancy and Birth Education Rachael Austin Midwife and Independent Childbirth Educator Ph: (07) 49 931 213 Fax: (07) 49 931 341 Mob: 0419750 780 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gentlebirth.com.au Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. Linda Hessel - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 11:19 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Background Breifing today Dear All Another uninformed program on Radio National Background Briefing today supposedly about increasing patient responsibility Please if you heard it send them an email at http://www.abc.net.au/rn/backgroundbriefing/contact/ Here is mine and their phone number is on the same web address so you can phone them also Dear background Briefing I was so disappointed by your example of innovative maternity services! Research here and overseas has repeatedly shown that private maternity care is costly on all levels as it results in higher rates of intervention in child birth with subsequent higher rates of problems with breastfeeding and post-natal depression, compared to vaginal birth. Please explain how the hotel based post-natal care you presented is an example of increased self-responsibity on the part of women,as your title suggests? Again evidence shows this happens with continuity of a known carer, for example as in New Zealand with their national Lead Maternity Carer arrangements! Australian maternity services with about 250,000 birth per year and more than 30% of these ending in Caesarean section accounts for a huge proportion of the national health budget. Many consumer groups under the umbrella of Maternity Coalition (www.maternitycoalition.org.au) and the Australian College of Midwives (www.midwives.org.au) have been lobbying all governments to allow women access to primary midwifery options of care! Please if you really do want to consider patient responsibility in maternity care talk to the President of Maternity Coalition Justine Caines (02) 6545 3612. Thank you Denise Hynd Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes __ NOD32 2099 (20070306) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/717 - Release Date: 10/03/2007 2:25 PM
[ozmidwifery] Background Breifing today
Dear All Another uninformed program on Radio National Background Briefing today supposedly about increasing patient responsibility Please if you heard it send them an email at http://www.abc.net.au/rn/backgroundbriefing/contact/ Here is mine and their phone number is on the same web address so you can phone them also Dear background Briefing I was so disappointed by your example of innovative maternity services! Research here and overseas has repeatedly shown that private maternity care is costly on all levels as it results in higher rates of intervention in child birth with subsequent higher rates of problems with breastfeeding and post-natal depression, compared to vaginal birth. Please explain how the hotel based post-natal care you presented is an example of increased self-responsibity on the part of women,as your title suggests? Again evidence shows this happens with continuity of a known carer, for example as in New Zealand with their national Lead Maternity Carer arrangements! Australian maternity services with about 250,000 birth per year and more than 30% of these ending in Caesarean section accounts for a huge proportion of the national health budget. Many consumer groups under the umbrella of Maternity Coalition (www.maternitycoalition.org.au) and the Australian College of Midwives (www.midwives.org.au) have been lobbying all governments to allow women access to primary midwifery options of care! Please if you really do want to consider patient responsibility in maternity care talk to the President of Maternity Coalition Justine Caines (02) 6545 3612. Thank you Denise Hynd Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes
Re: [ozmidwifery] Privately funded birth centres
Dear Kate Are you in WA I can put you in touch with various people who can give you some background to the closure of Swan and Mandurah birth Centres here is my off list contact Denise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Kate reynolds To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 2:28 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Privately funded birth centres Hi all, Can anyone tell me whether there are any privately funded birth centres in Australia? If there is, who manages the births and how are the clients billed? Are they shared care with GP/OBs and do the Drs still attend and therefore bill for the birth? Or are the GP/Obs paid an on-call fee just in case??? Can anyone also tell me exactly why the Swan Districts and Mandurah Birth Centres in WA were closed? Cheers, kate -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/711 - Release Date: 5/03/2007 9:41 AM
[ozmidwifery] Fw: Making it easier for women to breastfeed
Hello all, Please send far and wide. This is fantastic, warmly, Carolyn Rachel Myr [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/25/07 9:30 pm This video montage from numerous 'nurse-ins' was made by a breastfeeding enthusiast in Canada after the wave of demonstrations by breastfeeding mothers following the expulsion of a mother from a Delta airlines flight (BEFORE departure :-)) when she declined to stop feeding her child on board. If enough people go to youtube and view it, it gets moved up to a more visible placement on the youtube website, and more people who don't normally think about breastfeeding will see it. It's a nice film, and the music is well chosen. I was alerted to it on Lactnet by the person who did the video montage you can see here, and am trying to do my bit to get it some more circulation. Enjoy. Nurse-Ins across http://youtube.com/watch?v=kmgLgIUB2T4 America cheers Rachel Myr, well and truly snowed in, in Kristiansand, Norway -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/702 - Release Date: 25/02/2007 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] CPD stories
There was/is a US Obs professor out of Austin Texas said he used to believe in it but that is like rocking horse ! Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Ken Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 6:29 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] CPD stories Met a woman who told me she had had a C/S for CPD with 1st bub. Had a home birth with 2nd, who was 2lb heavier. I believe CPD does occur, but is very rare. As with 'fetal distress', also does occur, it's often used for an excuse to section a woman. We need to accept that sometimes there is a genuine need to interfere. Looking at the improvement in outcomes for women and babies, and seeing the awful things happening in the Developing world there is a need for some obstetric intervention in some cases. I do agree that our rate of intervention is far too high, and often have a song and dance about it. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/700 - Release Date: 24/02/2007 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Effect of Obs Conferences on Birth Rates
Here is the Pdf on Effect of Obs Conferences on Birth Rates http://econrsss.anu.edu.au/~aleigh/pdf/ObsConferences.pdf If like me you can not deal with pod casting Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. — Linda Hes -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] midwifery pay scales in OZ
Dear Shelley Pay scales vary from state to state Also do you understand that midwives here compared to England are not autonomous and the intervention rates are high so job frustration is high! Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: michelle gascoigne To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 3:38 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] midwifery pay scales in OZ I am searching the web looking at midwifery jobs in OZ. Most do not have pay scales. Do you have a standard scale in OZ? If so where might I find a copy of that? In England ours can be found by looking up Agenda For Change on the web. Most midwives are on band 6 which is currently £22,886-£31,004 per annum plus extra duty payment for weekends nights and on calls. That converts to about $57,775-$78,276. Thanks Shelly -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.24/668 - Release Date: 4/02/2007
Re: [ozmidwifery] Serena Esther arrived
Congratulations to all for following your heart But more importantly for taking responsibility to set you and your family in the best situation for your body to work with your baby for a wonderful start of Esther life on this planet ! This is physiological and what should be the common birth experience for our healthy community !! Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Dan Rachael Austin To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 4:04 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Serena Esther arrived Congradulations Philippa, such beautiful news. Welcome earthside little Serena. Enjoy your baby moon! Love, Rachael - Original Message - From: Philippa Scott To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Alan Linda Trewern ; Anke ; Cathy Styles ; CBI Students ; Debbie Holland ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Emma Chadwick ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; MARIE MCAULIFFE ; 'Mary Emeleus' ; Melissa Hooper ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; ozmidwifery ; Shelley Todd ; Teri Shilling ; Tracy and Michael Alloway ; Tracy Cox Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 11:01 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Serena Esther arrived Hi all, I thought you would all like to know that Serena Esther Scott was born gently and beautifully into the water at home on 1/02/2007. She was a lovely 9pnd 7oz or 4280grams (my biggest by far). It was a perfect birth for us with no tears or bleeds or anything else to necessitate the need for assistance. As you can imagine I am on a high. Alana Brianna watched with awe and excitement and are talking about it lot. It was so wonderful to have them there. Trevor is finally convinced home water birth is the way to go, he was terrific. All my women folk where as amazing as I knew they would be I am so blessed to have friends such as these. The experience would not have been the same with out them. Cheers Philippa Scott Birth Buddies - Doula Assisting women and their families in the preparation towards childbirth and labour. President of Friends of the Birth Centre Townsville __ NOD32 1.1725 (20060825) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.24/668 - Release Date: 4/02/2007
Re: [ozmidwifery] Article about natural birth and brain haemorrhage
I find this part contradictory John Gilmore, a professor of psychiatry and lead scientist on the study, said the bleeding was not caused by the size of the baby or the baby's head, the duration of labour, or the use of vacuum or forceps to assist delivery. The bleeds are probably caused by pressure on the skull during delivery, he said. It suggests poor parameters of what defines natural birth and DENIAL of the pressure on the skull during a vacuum or forceps birth which have an adult exerting a pull of varying strength on the foetal skull through to the spine ?? Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Belinda Pound To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 11:26 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Article about natural birth and brain haemorrhage My GOODNESS!!! All in the name of research...I definitely wouldn't be letting my newborn have a MRI scan! I wonder if the parents were paid (and if so..how much) to allow their newborn to take part? Interesting to see if there is an increase in cancers for this research group in years to come. Belinda -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Helen and Graham Sent: Saturday, 3 February 2007 9:49 AM To: ozmidwifery Subject: [ozmidwifery] Article about natural birth and brain haemorrhage Haven't they got anything better to research??!! Helen http://www.guardian.co.uk/medicine/story/0,,2001561,00.html One in four natural births causes brain haemorrhage Ian Sample Tuesday January 30, 2007 The Guardian Giving birth naturally increases the risk of minor brain haemorrhages in newborn babies, according to a study. Brain scans of babies aged between one and five weeks showed small ruptures in blood vessels in or around the brain are common, affecting one in four children born naturally. Babies delivered by caesarean section showed no signs of even minor bleeding. In most cases, the haemorrhages are harmless and heal naturally, but larger ruptures can affect brain development, leading to seizures, or problems with learning or coordination. Doctors at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, used magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) to scan 88 healthy newborns. Of the 65 delivered naturally, 17 had intracranial haemorrhages and seven had ruptures in at least two separate regions. John Gilmore, a professor of psychiatry and lead scientist on the study, said the bleeding was not caused by the size of the baby or the baby's head, the duration of labour, or the use of vacuum or forceps to assist delivery. The bleeds are probably caused by pressure on the skull during delivery, he said. The scientists noticed the high rate of haemorrhages while conducting scans to assess brain development in children perceived to be at high risk of mental disorders. What we've shown is that if you get these bleeds, you don't have to think something has gone wrong with the delivery, because these are common, said Prof Gilmore, whose study is published in Radiology. The team will conduct further scans when the babies are one and two years old. This may help doctors assess future cases of shaken baby syndrome, where injuries to a baby are contested. In some cases, parents or guardians claim brain injuries have been inflicted naturally at birth. The scans may reveal whether small haemorrhages at birth grow to become more threatening, or gradually heal with time. Special reports Medicine and health Useful links British Medical Association Department of Health General Medical Council Health on the Net Foundation Institute of Cancer Research Medical Research Council NHS Direct Royal Institute of Public Health World Health Organisation -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.21/665 - Release Date: 2/02/2007
Re: [ozmidwifery] risk management
Dear Rachel Again I have experience this also working in a midwifery led setting Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: wump fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] risk management Denise I agree that adverse events analysis can be a very positive and useful way to learn and improve practice. But, I think we should also analyse those events that go well and learn and improve from them. Rachel From: Denise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] risk management Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:03:36 +0800 Dear Rachel I suspect your experience is a reflection of the personalities and their power structure rather than adverse events analysis I only have a midwifery based experience of adverse events analysis and I felt it was an intersting structure which gave form and direction and which I feel we used as it was intended to address what can be done better to lessen the risk of a recurrence. Nothing is perfect when people are involved this is another way of looking at a situation which can as you have experienced can be abused!! Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: wump fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 11:45 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] risk management I just think that the there are a number of problems generated by applying the current risk management strategies in health care to midwifery care. The strategies centred around adverse events analysis claim to be focussed on systems and not individuals. However, this is often not how they are perceived by those involved in the events. In the UK we had 'risk management meetings' every morning to discuss the events in the last 24hrs. Everyone was invited, but of course most midwives were busy caring for women and couldn't get to them. Instead management and the drs sat around and used the notes to discuss care (no names but everyone knew who was involved), the risk of litigation and improvements etc. This was very intimidating for the midwives and was referred to as 'the lynch mob' or the 'witch hunt'. These meetings often totally missed the point because they were focussed on what the participants thought was important - not the women. For example, one of the women I cared for postnatally had had an emergency c-section for fetal distress. The baby ended up with a cut on his face and the meeting discussed the cut. The mother did not give a stuff about the cut on her baby's face, but I spent many hours at her house due to the psychological effects of her experience during an unneccesary fetal blood sampling (flash backs, nightmares, anxiety attacks etc). They would analyse and discuss a poor forceps birth and how to improve the technique - but would not discuss and analyse how this OP baby could have been encouraged to rotate during labour so that the forceps did not need to be used in the first place. I became quite famous at these meeting for my opinionated and arsey contributions - it was almost fun throwing spanners (and research) in the works. Re-focusing risk managment onto optimal outcomes rather than adverse outcomes my be more appropriate and lead to improvements in women's birth experiences. There is a good chapter in Normal Childbirth: evidence and debate (ed Soo Downe) about risk, safety etc. If our aim was to improve outcomes - ie. women's satisfaction with their birth experiences, increasing the normal birth rate etc, we may find the system starts to change in our favour. Looking at why things go well rather than why they go wrong. Education could focus on facilitating physiological birth and improving the birth experience and very importantly - information giving. Obviously midwives still need education in dealing with emergencies, but preventing emergencies should be given equal weighting. Ok, end of my opinionated and arsey contribution ; ) Rachel From: Mary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] The Advertiser today... Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 10:26:53 +0800 Rachel, working in homebirths makes me very interested in risk management and education. I would appreciate hearing what you have to say, so rave on. Mary M There is kudo is being competent in the management of abnormal and emergencies. Unfortunately, there is not the same emphasis placed
Re: [ozmidwifery] ANF article
WA ANF members have to pay extra for the ANJ So can you tell me if we can access the article on the net ?Thanks Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Larissa Inns To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 9:57 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] ANF article Those of you who are ANF members and receive the ANJ there is a great article (3 pages!) in this months issue by Fiona Armstrong titled "The fight to care" and it's all about women having the right to choose midwifery care. Well worth a read. Hugs, Larissa No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.7/156 - Release Date: 2/11/2005
Re: [ozmidwifery] risk management
Dear Rachel I suspect your experience is a reflection of the personalities and their power structure rather than adverse events analysis I only have a midwifery based experience of adverse events analysis and I felt it was an intersting structure which gave form and direction and which I feel we used as it was intended to address what can be done better to lessen the risk of a recurrence. Nothing is perfect when people are involved this is another way of looking at a situation which can as you have experienced can be abused!! Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: wump fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 11:45 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] risk management I just think that the there are a number of problems generated by applying the current risk management strategies in health care to midwifery care. The strategies centred around adverse events analysis claim to be focussed on systems and not individuals. However, this is often not how they are perceived by those involved in the events. In the UK we had 'risk management meetings' every morning to discuss the events in the last 24hrs. Everyone was invited, but of course most midwives were busy caring for women and couldn't get to them. Instead management and the drs sat around and used the notes to discuss care (no names but everyone knew who was involved), the risk of litigation and improvements etc. This was very intimidating for the midwives and was referred to as 'the lynch mob' or the 'witch hunt'. These meetings often totally missed the point because they were focussed on what the participants thought was important - not the women. For example, one of the women I cared for postnatally had had an emergency c-section for fetal distress. The baby ended up with a cut on his face and the meeting discussed the cut. The mother did not give a stuff about the cut on her baby's face, but I spent many hours at her house due to the psychological effects of her experience during an unneccesary fetal blood sampling (flash backs, nightmares, anxiety attacks etc). They would analyse and discuss a poor forceps birth and how to improve the technique - but would not discuss and analyse how this OP baby could have been encouraged to rotate during labour so that the forceps did not need to be used in the first place. I became quite famous at these meeting for my opinionated and arsey contributions - it was almost fun throwing spanners (and research) in the works. Re-focusing risk managment onto optimal outcomes rather than adverse outcomes my be more appropriate and lead to improvements in women's birth experiences. There is a good chapter in Normal Childbirth: evidence and debate (ed Soo Downe) about risk, safety etc. If our aim was to improve outcomes - ie. women's satisfaction with their birth experiences, increasing the normal birth rate etc, we may find the system starts to change in our favour. Looking at why things go well rather than why they go wrong. Education could focus on facilitating physiological birth and improving the birth experience and very importantly - information giving. Obviously midwives still need education in dealing with emergencies, but preventing emergencies should be given equal weighting. Ok, end of my opinionated and arsey contribution ; ) Rachel From: Mary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] The Advertiser today... Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 10:26:53 +0800 Rachel, working in homebirths makes me very interested in risk management and education. I would appreciate hearing what you have to say, so rave on. Mary M There is kudo is being competent in the management of abnormal and emergencies. Unfortunately, there is not the same emphasis placed on the skills involved in facilitating physiological birth and preventing those emergencies from occuring in the first place. Risk management strategies are also back-to-front and result concentrate on the symptoms ignoring the cause. Anyhow... I could rant on forever about risk management and education. So I will shut up for now. Rachel x -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. _ The new MSN Search Toolbar now includes Desktop search! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.6/151 - Release Date: 28/10/2005 -- This mailing
Re: [ozmidwifery] The Advertiser today...
I love the accepted arrogance that people get the best treatments from medical doctoors Time there was a seriens on Iatrogenisis Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Tania Smallwood To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 6:05 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] The Advertiser today... Could this be the thin edge of the wedge do they see this as a way of banning independent midwifery too, or am I just being paranoid? Tania (who is aware that thankfully, we dont have to train as nurses any more to become a midwife, but the reality is that many of us are ) http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,17070060%255E2682,00.html Nursing back-up under attackKARA PHILLIPS, Health Reporter29oct05 INDEPENDENT nurse practitioners, who are not made to report to doctors, should not be able to work in South Australia, the Australian Medical Association says.AMA state president Chris Cain said yesterday there was "growing concern" about nurse practitioners who did not have the full back-up support of a medical team. The comments come just days after The Advertiser reported the chronic GP shortage has reached crisis point in the city's outer suburbs, with doctors claiming GP patient ratios at 1:5521 in the Woodcroft area in the south and 1:7596 around Williamstown in the north. Interstate, particularly in Queensland where doctor shortages are severe, there has been extensive debate about whether to introduce independent nurse practitioners allowed to treat some patients without answering to a doctor or hospital medical team to ease the strain on the system. "We would strongly oppose that move here in SA," Dr Cain said. "If there are doctor shortages, train more doctors don't put people with fewers skills into those positions." Dr Cain stressed the state's existing nurse practitioners, including the state's first paediatric palliative nurse practitioner Sara Fleming who started in her new role this week were not a problem. "There are doctors and audit processes to protect the health of patients." Ms Fleming, a Women's and Children's Hospital nurse, said her role would help cut treatment time and hospital stays for seriously ill children. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/150 - Release Date: 27/10/2005
[ozmidwifery] FW: Thought you might be interested
Title: Message From: Wayne McCullough [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 28 October 2005 11:54 AMTo: HomeSubject: Thought you might be interested Thought you might be interested in the second paragraph of this story about ALP tax which says.. Opposition frontbenchers met corporate leaders yesterday to also signal the ALP's support for competition reform, including moves to break open the doctors' "closed shop" by allowing a greater role for midwives and nurses. http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17057849-2,00.html
Re: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth with a twist!
Well at least they could not do a C/S in Big brother here or anywhere!! Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Melanie Sommeling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 3:51 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth with a twist! It is an interesting twist on the home birth issue, though the article is a little distorted, since they neglect to mention that the Dutch also have a regular television program, where they show at least one birth per week, interesting that that never gets media attention. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrea Robertson Sent: Thursday, 20 October 2005 00:23 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth with a twist! This story is in today's Sydney Morning Herald, with a photo of hte Mum and baby: Big Brother's baby October 19, 2005 - 6:43AM A contestant on the Dutch Big Brother television reality show gave birth to a baby girl in the house. The contestant, Tanja, gave birth to a girl she named Joscelyn Savanna, according to Talpa, the television station launched by billionaire creator of Big Brother John de Mol. Talpa, which has been accused of planning to exploit the newborn to boost the show's ratings, published pictures of Tanja, her mother and the baby on its website as well as comments from the other contestants on the birth. The 27-year-old from the northern town of Groningen, who was already seven months pregnant when she entered the Big Brother house, gave birth in a special room. We are very proud of you, said Dido, 24, as Tanja returned to the living room of the house to applause from the others. The ruling Christian Democrats had condemned the idea of a birth on the show and Dutch authorities said the program's makers could film the baby for only two hours a day and for a maximum of eight days in accordance with rules for child actors. Unlike other contestants, who must stay in the house until they are either voted off the program or finally win, the baby will be able to leave the Big Brother house with family members and will have her own room where she may not be filmed. Versions of Big Brother first aired in the Netherlands in 1999 and have since been produced in dozens of countries worldwide, making De Mol's fortune. -- Now if only the local producers could organise a home birth! Andrea - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/143 - Release Date: 19/10/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth and Doula Articles
Dear Kylie Good on you for making the effort Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 9:45 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth and Doula Articles Hi there all, Way back in September last year I called upon some of you as sources of information for two articles I was writing for WellBeing Baby. One on doulas and the other on homebirths. Although the deadline was in November 04 it is only today that the issue is finally out! So I just wanted to thank those who helped...Jan, Honey, Phillipa, Justine, Lois, Jo, Denise, and anyone else who pointed me in the right direction for info. It waswonderful to talk to you all and learn more about a topic that will always be dear to my heart. PS Because of such a long wait I am hoping that all info is still correct. Please don't lambast me if it's not ;) Best wishes Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747-- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/143 - Release Date: 19/10/2005
Re: [ozmidwifery] Is this true ?
If saying could make it happen?!! Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." — Linda Hes - Original Message - From: brendamanning To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 10:45 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Is this true ? "Educate a Woman you changeher Birth. Educate a Midwife you change the Future of Birthing". With kind regardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/129 - Release Date: 11/10/2005
Re: [ozmidwifery] Scottish dads push wives toward C-sections? I don't think so
Actually repeated studies of medical negligence and why Show those that are not involved in the decision making regardless of the outcome sue they want some answers to their questions even an apology! Those consulted and heard do not sue even when the outcome is not positive!! Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: wump fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Scottish dads push wives toward C-sections? I don't think so People will try and sue for a poor outcome regardless of the info given etc. But, if you have provided them with adequate info, and they have made their choice and you exercise the 'expected' level of skill - their case will be unsuccessful. I've just finished a legal, risk management course and learned a lot. People will sue whatever (and unpredictably sometimes), but you can protect yourself against them being successful. Women and their partners need to take responsibility for their birth experiences, and we should be encouraging them to do so. Rachel From: brendamanning [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Scottish dads push wives toward C-sections? I don't think so Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 15:27:07 +1000 Whilst I agree totally in theory.. Bad workmen always blame their tools. I mean we are all talking about 35 years exp of 'seeing' births or deliveries here are we not ? I too had a KRF del x 1 was OK afterwards so it isn't a personal bias (mind you, made sure I had the next babies at home !!). Just observation experience. Whatever the instrument, NB, Wrig, Keill it's incidental, whatever the surgery it's incidental, damage happens. Some places don't use Keill anymore because they cause maternal damage, in inexp hands, if they kept using them knowing this, we'd consider them negligent wouldn't we ? Some folks love the Ventouse, some hate it. Some folks love EL C/S, some condemn it. We've all seen horrific outcomes from what we thought ( to all intents purposes appeared) to be NVDs at the time haven't we ? I have actually been present on more than one occasion when an OB has given what I considered (given the time, energy urgency in the situation) to be a very reasonable balanced summary of events with choices, options, rationales, possible sequalae etc the woman her support team have made their choices then.. sued later. Go figure As I say, emotive, subjective stuff all the way isn't it ? With kind regards Brenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: Ken WArd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 2:34 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Scottish dads push wives toward C-sections? I don't think so Sorry, I too have seen some dreadful injuries, but not with Kielland, and my own experience with the Kielland was okay, no episi and only a very small tear. Which I thought was pretty good considering the huge epises I'd had with the others. It was the Neville Barnes forceps that did the damage, not to me but the baby, and I think it was the stuck shoulders that caused the neck. Some of the worse injuries I have seen have been wriggleys lift outs. Dreadful placement of the blades, although my 2 wriggleys births were fine, no probs with me or the babies. We do need to remember that not all forcep births result in injury, and are sometimes necessary -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of brendamanning Sent: Sunday, 16 October 2005 12:12 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Scottish dads push wives toward C-sections? I don't think so Ken, Your story is a very common one. I think we all saw a good many Keillands Rotations in our day often the dreadful resulting lacerations pain, injury suffering that went along with them for mother baby. I agree with Rachel in that often this was caused by operator error, the Reg 'practising' (foot on the end of the bed stuff, makes me shudder to think about it). Fourth degree tears were not uncommon the long-lasting damage to babies, womens minds, pelvic floors pelvic organs was horrendous. BUT.and I realise this could be construed as inflammatory but it's not intended to be, really !! Perhaps in the age of 'new obstetrics' if women ceased sueing OBs for everything that went wrong then they (the OBs) wouldn't all be resorting to C/S at absolutely any excuse. Really it's a very emotive argument the OBs are damned if they do damned if they don't. Sometimes we midwives are in the same boat !! I'm not defending them overly here, just
[ozmidwifery] Pregnancy SpCordInjury!!
Research to Remember ~~Women with spinal cord injury (SCI) have been thought to have an increased prevalence of complications during pregnancy, labor, and birth. A study of 120 women with SCI revealed no significant differences between them and women without SCI in a number of significant areas: frequency of preterm labor 33% versus 22%), frequency of failure to progress (24% versus 18%), preterm delivery (29% versus 18%), or low birth weight (14% versus 15%). Of the women with SCI, 32% had autonomic hyper-reflexia, 38% had preeclampsia, 10% had gestational diabetes, 52% had bladder infections, and 29% had kidney infections. Fewer of the women with SCI (11%) had miscarriages than did able-bodied women (17%).~ Center for Research on Women with Disabilities www.bcm.edu/crowd/ Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes
[ozmidwifery] Convenience
ConvenienceBirth is not convenient. Labor is not convenient. And being a birth practitioner or a parent requires one to let go of the idea that pregnancy, labor, birth or parenting will ever be convenient. The worst of the false priorities, a desire for convenience, fuels a drive for inductions and cesarean sections with potentionally dire consequences. How many "convenience" inductions turned into labors in which a baby faced fetal distress? How many "convenience" c-sections resulted in a less-than-mature baby who had to stay in the NICU? How many "conveniently" induced or sectioned moms then had problems breastfeeding and had to use formula? Waiting for labor is inconvenient. Sometimes due dates and the weeks following fall during a scheduled vacation, but that's part of the nature of birth. It is just as bad for a midwife to strip a mom's membranes without asking or a doctor to use Cytotec to get a mom to labor before a scheduled vacation as it is for a mom to schedule an induction at 39 weeks because she's tired of being pregnant.~ Jennifer Rosenberg excerpted from "Priorities in Birth" Midwifery Today Issue 64 Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes
Re: [ozmidwifery] Interesting article about ..Bub Hubs?
Sounds like rural women will still be transfered out to ? who knows where to birth and back from theplace of birth So how would they be better off?? A bub hub would be some kind of community-based centre with lots of maternity-related services on site, so you might have people being able to go there for antenatal care, for advice on breast feeding after the birth of their baby, maybe infant care advice and also postnatal check-ups, Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham To: ozmidwifery Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 8:39 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Interesting article about .."Bub Hubs"? http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200510/s1479154.htm Doctors' group backs maternity service trial The Rural Doctors Association is pleased the Queensland Government has agreed to trial a new service for pregnant women. State Cabinet has endorsed most recommendations from an independent report to improve maternity services. They include the establishment of family centres or "bub hubs" to support women before and after giving birth. It is hoped the first one will be set up on a trial basis by the end of next year. The association's Queensland branch president, Dr Jon Outridge, says mothers will have access to all kinds of expertise. "" he said. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/128 - Release Date: 10/10/2005
[ozmidwifery] Horizontal Violence
Dear Sue your response I would have been shot down in flames for sure! Has remindered me yet again of previous such expereinces of mine that now require me not to work in Mid for my personal health and thus spurred me further to push for policies on Horizontal violence in midwifery and nursing groups here and nationally I note ANF WA has got the govt backing a campaign of Zero Tolerance of Physical Violence against Nursing staff by patients but I have seen nothing about internal emotional or Horizontal Violence If we are going to bring about meaningful change in services for mothers and babies we need to have policies and practices which name and deal with horizontal Violence See Caroline Hasties great article for ideas http://www.acegraphics.com.au/articles/hastie02.html Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Susan Cudlipp To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Induction and third stage labour As I understand the reasoning - the bigger than physiological contraction caused by the oxytocic bolus can 'squeeze' the placenta and cause blood to be forcibly transfused into the baby. I agree that it really doesn't make a lot of sense - the cord-clamping website posted by Jenny however, does make a lot of sense, and I only wish hospital procedures allowed some flexibility and common sense to occur! Especially in Rh-ve women and preterm infants as has been demonstrated to be of benefit. We had a very prem baby last week, 30 weeks, which as a small unit we are not equipped to deal with. He was OK and all went well but I was not game to suggest leaving the cord intact at the time, I would have been shot down in flames for sure! Sue As for jaundice, none of my 3 had any at all. All very different births, all breast fed without interruption. I have noted some increase when physiological 3rd stage practised, which begs the question - is it an abnormal event? "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"Edmund Burke - Original Message - From: Michelle Windsor To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 7:25 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Induction and third stage labour I have to admit I've never really understood the reasoning behind the baby supposedly receivinga bolus of blood if the cord is not clamped after synto. If the placenta is separating from the uterus how does that cause excessive blood to transfuse to the baby? Cheers Michelle Susan Cudlipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The reason given for hasty cord clamping AFTER (not before) administering synto is not to prevent synto entering baby's circulation, but to prevent over tranfusion due to the excessive contraction thus produced 'pushing' too much blood into baby due to squeezing the placenta. Synto infusions are given all the time for induction and I have never heard of any concerns about it entering baby's circulation. The synto bolus injectionis justified as a means to prevent PPH, the baby's needs are not apparently considered important! I realise that IPM'sonly give synto if needed, and when cord has ceased pulsations, but the policies of most hospitals for ACTIVE management of 3rd stage says: 1). give oxytocic with anterior shoulder, 2). clamp and separate cord as soon as baby delivered, 3). commence controlled cord traction as soon as uterus felt to be contracted. I hasten to add that I do not agree with this, but have had reason to research it quite a bit lately and have found, like Karen, that the textbooks and policies are not crystal clear and many are very much opposed to each other. Case in point being Obstetric guidelines vs Midwifery guidelines both in circulation in the KEMH policy manuals. Sue "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"Edmund Burke - Original Message - From: Tanya Fleming To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Induction and third stage labour I am taken by surprised of this tooi teach the very same as you Karen. I also believe that the cord should be cut immediately before giving synto, to prevent passage of syntocinon into
[ozmidwifery] Heatlh System Study Focus Groups
Are you interested in how your health system (doctors, hospitals, health care providers) is working? Do you feel you have access to information on how doctors, hospitals and other health care providers are performing? Is the information being given in a way that makes sense to you? These are some of the questions we will be exploring in a series of focus groups to be held in several cities across Australia and we wish to invite you to join us. We at Curtin University of Technology WA on behalf of The National Health Performance Committee are investigating what are consumers and citizens preferences for health system performance indicators that is, how to report to you in a meaningful way how doctors, hospitals and other health care providers and processes are performing. We believe it is only in participating in discussions that we can really know what the community needs and wants, so that you can get a better user-friendly health service. We have looked at what state governments are doing at the moment in presenting indicators for health system performance. The results of our discussions with you will be used to help them to do better in the future. QLD: Brisbane, 5 October at 7pm, and 6 October at 11am. Public Services Club, 84 William Street. Toowoomba, 6 October 6pm and 7 October 11am, Soldiers Memorial Hall - Kakoda Room, Corner Ruthven Herries Street. NSW: Sydney, 10 October at 11am and 7pm. Teachers Federation Building, 23-33 Mary Street, Surry Hills 2010. Bathurst, 11 October at 11am and 3pm. Girl Guides Hall, Cnr William Charlotte Street. WA: Busselton, 17 October at 10am and 7pm. Busselton Family Centre, 19-21 Kent Street. Perth, 18 October at 10am and 7pm. City Place Community Centre, Upper Level, City Railway Complex, Wellington St If you are interested please contact Gabriella Covino 0421168327 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] and we will be in touch with you very soon. As a way to thank you for your valuable contribution well be offering a $10.00 scratchy card to each participant. Looking forward to meeting you soon! __ Gabriella Covino Social and Public Health Economic Research Group (SPHERe) Curtin University of Technology GPO Box U1987 Perth WA 6845 T: +618 9266 4777 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SPONSORED LINKS Health and wellness Health wellness product Health and wellness program Diet fitness health nutrition wellness Health promotion and wellness Business health wellness YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
[ozmidwifery] CASELOADMIDWIFERY Digest - 2 Oct 2005 to 4 Oct 2005 (#2005-59)
Many Apologies for Cross Posting ** 1st Conference Announcement and Call for Papers Normal Labour and Birth: 3rd Research Conference The Grange Hotel Conference Centre, Grange Over Sands, English Lake District Wednesday 7 - Friday 9 June 2006 This is the thrid international conference focused on issues surrounding normality in birth. It will address social, cultural, physiological, psychological, emotional and spiritual aspects of labour and birth. It will examine new developments in the current evidence base on the nature of and cultures around birth, and on associated processes and outcomes of labour and birth. Papers will cover primary and secondary research, methodological debates, and new philosophies and constructs in this area. We are interested in submissions in any of the following areas: 1. Normal processes of labour and birth 2. The identification and examination of relevant outcomes relating to labour and birth 3. Social and cultural precursors and consequences 4. Psychological, emotional and spiritual aspects of labour and birthing 5. The practices of midwives and other carers in this area 6. Educational aspects 7. Philosophical and theoretical critiques and debates 8. Methodological innovations in this and associated areas The conference will provide the opportunity to develop and disseminate evidence in the area of normal labour and birth, to enhance clinical practice, education, management, supervision and policy, and to further research collaboration. For further information about the conference and the call for papers, please contact Liz Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] telephone +44 (0)1772 893809 -- End of CASELOADMIDWIFERY Digest - 2 Oct 2005 to 4 Oct 2005 (#2005-59) * -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.10/119 - Release Date: 4/10/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] How the medical establishment snubbed Australia's Nobel Prize winners
Good article to keep in our treasure trove of info to trot out to show people how the medical establishment deals with 'radicals'...who are right! From Crikey.com 2. How the medical establishment snubbed Australia's Nobel Prize winners A medical industry insider writes: As the media, politicians and the Australian medical research sector rush to congratulate our newest Nobel laureates - and to bask in their reflected glory - it is worth reflecting on the truth of the long and, at times, lonely journey Barry Marshall and Robin Warren have taken to reach this point. Rather than welcoming and supporting the work of local heroes, many Australian gastroenterologists were highly critical and disbelieving of Marshall and Warren's (ultimately) Nobel Prize-winning work, and continued for many years to stubbornly deny that Helicobacter pylori had much, or indeed any, role in the pathogenesis of ulcer disease. Barry Marshall was made to feel quite uncomfortable when he attended specialist conferences - he was regarded by many as a maverick and even a loony, especially when the story of his drinking swampwater in order to infect himself got around. Worse still, this lack of acceptance was often blamed on Marshall's personality (he has been described as brash) or justified as a response to him apparently seeking publicity and glory. It certainly didn't help that he was not a gastroenterologist by training. Given Marshall and Warren's pioneering work, Australia should have been the first place in the western world to accept the full H. pylori story. But, shamefully, it was not. Although a Working Party reported to the 1990 World Congress of Gastroenterology (which incidentally was held in Sydney) that H. pylori was definitely an important cause of ulcer disease, many prominent leaders of the gastroenterology specialty in Australia continued to deny its importance, or to claim that it was a cause of only a small minority of cases of ulcer disease, well into the mid-1990s. As examples: * In 1991, Parke Davis got scant support from local opinion leaders when it brought an international speaker (and member of the Working Party) to Australia to discuss H. pylori eradication as an approach to treating ulcer disease. * In a drug company-sponsored 4-page educational publication for GPs published in Australia in 1992, only the last two paragraphs mention H. pylori, and only in the context of how this company's anti-acid drug might one day have a role - in combination with antibiotics - in eradicating the bacterium. It was only 4-5 years later, when such combinations were shown to be effective in eradication, that education and promotion to GPs about the role of H. pylori in ulcer disease really started to pick up momentum. Marshall's work was much more readily accepted internationally than locally, and so he spent what may perhaps have been his most productive years as a researcher overseas. Medical journalist Melissa Sweet gave some of the back-story in this article in the SMH in 1997, as reproduced on Barry Marshall's personal website. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/MCMgtCte/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://au.docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.10/119 - Release Date: 4/10/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Fw: Here's to you
Title: FW: Here's to you HERE'S TO YOU !!! National Girlfriend and Sister's Week I am only as strong as the coffee I drink, the hairspray I use and the friends I have. To the cool women that have touched my life. Here's to you! National Girlfriends Day What would most of us do without our sisters, confidants and shopping, lunching, and travelling girls? Let's celebrate each other for each other's sake! TO MY GIRLFRIENDS! If you get this twice you know you have more than one girlfriend. Be Happy! PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO ALL OF YOUR GIRLFRIENDS AND RETURN IT TO THE FRIEND WHO SENT IT TO YOU! It is good to be a woman: 1. We got off the Titanic first. 2. We can scare male bosses with the mysterious gynecological disorder excuses. 3. Taxis stop for us. 4. We don't look like a frog in a blender when dancing. 5. No fashion faux pas we make, could ever rival the Speedo. 6. We don't have to pass gas to amuse ourselves. 7. If we forget to shave, no one has to know. 8. We have the ability to dress ourselves. 9. We can talk to the opposite sex without having to picture them naked. 10. If we marry someone 20 years younger, we are aware that we will look like an idiot. 11. We will never regret piercing our ears. 12. There are times when chocolate really can solve all your problems. 13. We can make comments about how silly men are in their presence because they aren't listening anyway. Send this to all the bright women you know and make their day! mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- End of Forwarded Message
Re: [ozmidwifery] Induction and third stage labour
CompareNepean'soptions of care medical or nothingand intervention rates and outcomes toSt George which you can on the NSW Birth stats website Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes - Original Message - From: jo To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 11:14 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Induction and third stage labour Hi Karen, On top of what Karen has said. As soon as an induction is started the normal course of labour is changed. Often women end up with contractions on top of each other and have a hard time managing them, which then leads to pain relieving drugs, which can sometimes lead to c/section. Also, if the induction is fast and furious and the uterus in contracting like mad it sometimes causes fetal distress, which then leads to a c/section. Women that I am supporting in labour are more and more trying to push their inductions to the very last minute, not without a great amount of stress and fear mongering from some staff members about putting their babies at risk, one recently was told in so many words that if she didnt agree to her induction at 12 days over that she wouldnt be welcome to birth there really really scary stuff. I have since found out that 90 inductions a month are performed at Nepean Hospital thats 3 a day! What on earth is going on? This is ludicrous and I guess the only way it will change is if educated women stand up and say no. Ive even had clients who have been called by labour ward several times in a day to ask why they havent showed for their induction. How a women can relax and go into labour with all the external pressure of you must go into labour I dont know. Cheers jo From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Nicole CarverSent: Tuesday, 4 October 2005 11:56 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Induction and third stage labour Hi Karen, This is my two bob's worth: 1. Once you start an induction, particularly once you have done an ARM, I believe that you are committed to having the baby within the next 24 hours preferably, (due to the risk of ascending infection in a hospital environment) so if labour does not establish, or fit the parameters the ob is happy with, you are going to have a c/s. Allowing a pregnancy to progress beyond 42 weeks, does have a much higher risk for the baby, as the placenta has a limited life span. How long an individual placenta will last is impossible to say, but perinatal mortality goes up past 42 weeks, and way up from 43 on (of course it helps to be sure of your dates!) 2. If you think of how much syntocinon some babies get when labour is induced, leaving the cord pulsating is not likely to give them any more synto than that, plus it will take a little while to enter mum's circulation (if given IM), and then babes. I was taught to clamp if the synto has been given, but someone at the ICM in Brisbane made the previous point about this, so I am a bit happier about it. I think the placenta probably separates better if it is allowed to drain, and the babe is meant to have that blood, otherwise they wouldn't be designed that way. Cheers, Nicole. -Original Message-[Nicole Carver]From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au]On Behalf Of karen shlegerisSent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 11:22 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Induction and third stage labour Dear List, Im a birth educator and prenatal yoga teacher in Townsville. I hope these questions are appropriate for this list and would appreciate information from you: Induction. Andreas Preparing for Birth:Mothers book and the wall poster on cascade of intervention states that induction increases the risks of further intervention and ultimately caesarean, and thats what Ive always taught in my Active Birth classes. However, when challenged for statistics by a client in a recent workshop, I looked up Enkin, Kierse etc. who stated that induction does not increase the risk of caesareans, recommending that induction is recommended soon after a women passes her EDD. Can anyone clear this up for me? Third stage of labour. I was under the belief that if active management of third stage was chosen, the cord had to be clamped and cut quickly to avoid an over-transfusion of
Re: [ozmidwifery] moving on
Dear Cath a constructive ,objective exit letter expressing my concerns Is the professionally appropriate thing to do as a minimum Actually it should be a requirement!! Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes - Original Message - From: cath nolan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 10:46 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] moving on I am looking for some advice regarding the workplace I have just left. We have approx. 130 low risk births a year, in a high risk,remotepopulation. Quite a few women are sent between 1100-3000 kms away to birth, The roster hasbetween 8-10 midwives who work on most shifts with RN and ENs and cover the general ward/mid and ED. I have enjoyed the mid I have had as I get to do the antenatal clinic, classes and births mixed in with general patients.The doctors arevery happy to let midwives be the caregivers for pregnant/labouring women unless we feel there is a need for any intervention. 3 of the doctors are dutch and are very mid orientated. My concerns lie with ( and a big part of the reason that I am leaving) the fact that some of the midwives have very little recency of practise, one midwife has birthed two babies in 6 years with supervision, another has come from years of remote aboriginal community work. We all work most shifts as the only midwife onshift. Management don't have any concerns with this as if they are registered with the board that appears to be enough for them.There have been no performance appraissals of staff in the two years I have been here.I don't believe that the place is safe and there is not enough education to upskill or even to maintain skills unless personnaly motivated.The'near misses' are never reviewed.I could reel off quite a few, let alone some of the things that make my blood boil. I want to write a constructive ,objective exit letter expressing my concerns without shooting myself in the foot for references etc. Should I do that, would it have any use? Has anyone else felt they have been in a similar circumstance? We are moving to south west Vic and building a house in an idyllic settingso I have a lot to look forward to, but would like to leave knowing that something may change. Cath No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/116 - Release Date: 30/09/2005
[ozmidwifery] Is this National News??
Dear All Does any one have any evidence that this story isbeing repeated regularly across Australia ? http://townsvillebulletin.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,7034,16778632%255E14787,00.html Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 3:10 PM Subject: [MCMgtCte] This ought to put a smile on your faces : ) http://townsvillebulletin.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,7034,16778632%255E14787,00.html Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/MCMgtCte/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/116 - Release Date: 30/09/2005
Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: Making a difference
Title: Message Jackie I hope you sent a copy at least to editor and the NSW Minister of Health ?? Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Jackie Doolan To: Oz midwifery Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 11:09 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] FW: Making a difference Another letter to Ms Devine. Dear Ms Devine, I find it hard to write to you in fear of being branded with some derogatory label. No one seems to be aware thatthere are many obstetricians that support this move towards evidenced based practice i.e., midwifery-led primary health care in normal childbirth.Would these doctors belabelled as 'natural childbirth zealots'? It appears you trust most the advise given by medical practitioners -perhaps you could make a few phone calls and speak to the doctors that support birth centres and midwifery models of care across Australia and see if their views differ from those ofDr Mourik. I encourage you to do this because it may help you to add some balance, not to mention depth, to the debate so far. As it standsreaders have a picture ofa 'band' (small group) of midwifery 'zealots' or 'nutters', who are irrationally anti-doctor intent on leading the NSW Government and women astray.The NSW governmentis portrayed asinherently evil or stupid or both because they are blinded to issues of women's and babies' safety by the promise ofcost savings. Meanwhilewe areactively encouraged to believethatthemedical practitionersalways provides safe and satisfying care to childbearing women. And it is without question that obstetricians are purelyinterested in women's safety and haveabsolutely noself-serving interest in this debate.The overall paternalistic message here is that...'It is for their own good that women be stopped from accessing the independent care of inadequately-trained midwivesand be offered onlythose skills provided bythe superiorly-trainedobstetricians'. The irony that the21st centurymessage is the sameas the one used by doctors in the 18-19th century to wrest awaychildbirth care from midwives,is not lost on many debate observers. It also seems we wastedthe 1960's in trying to stop female stereotyping - I, for one, still believewomen are capable of making intelligentchoices. Ms Devinethus far don't you think this debate is a little too simplistic and superficial - even by journalistic standards? Your eagerness to report the derogatoryadjectives used to describe midwives in contrast to thepaucity used in reference to doctors leads me to wonder ifthis is an exercise in midwife-bashing? I am hoping that you can do better than this. Regards, Ms Jacqueline Doolan Senior Lecturer (Midwifery) University of Southern Queensland Phone: 07 4631 1644 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/115 - Release Date: 29/09/2005
Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: Too many c/s in Gawler
Love the departmental justification at the end of the article!! Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Tania Smallwood To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 4:41 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] FW: Too many c/s in Gawler Printed in "The Advertiser" in Adelaide today Too many caesareans in Gawler, says MPBy LAURA ANDERSON30sep05 GAWLER Health Service - the birthing service embroiled in an ongoing obstetrics crisis - has a caesarean section rate more than double the recommended international guidelines.SA Democrats leader Sandra Kanck, who has obtained figures on caesarean sections in the area, said Gawler's rate was significantly higher than World Health Organisation guidelines, which state a rate higher than 15 per cent "indicates over-utilisation". Ms Kanck said she had been told the caesarean rate for Gawler this year was 41 per cent. Gawler Health Service acting chief executive Erik Moen did not have current figures, but denied the rate was 41 per cent. He said the most recent figures, for 2004-05, showed 33.9 per cent of mothers delivered their babies by caesarean section - more than double the WHO guidelines. He said the caesarean rate had been below the state average for 2001, 2002 and 2003. Ms Kanck said the figure was "appalling" and a "gross rate of over-intervention", and called for more midwives at the health service. "There are rare occasions where caesarean sections are justified, but not at this rate," she said. "Caesarean sections are not simple, easy things, as many women are led to think . . . there are often complications." Dr Don Cave and Dr Simon Stewart-Rattray have delivered about 400 babies a year at the Gawler Health Service for the past five years. After what they have described as months of "bureaucratic bungling", Dr Cave has resigned to take up a position in Brisbane and Dr Stewart-Rattray has indicated he is unlikely to reapply. The Government has stated that birthing services will be provided through an arrangement with the Women's and Children's Hospital. The recruitment process for two new specialist obstetricians, due to start on January 1, has started. Health Department figures show the statewide caesarean rate for 2003 was 30 per cent - an increase on 29.2 per cent the previous year. Pregnancy Outcomes Unit head Dr Annabelle Chan said "we would like to see it reduced", but said no state in Australia had a caesarean rate less than 21 per cent. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/115 - Release Date: 29/09/2005
[ozmidwifery] Looking forDynamicMidwife
COMMUNITY MIDWIFERY WA MIDWIFERY MANAGER CMWA is a community managed non-government organisation, funded by The Department of Health WA to deliver the Community Midwifery Program and other pregnancy and childbirth information and education services. The Position The Midwifery Manager is an integral part of the management team of the Community Midwifery Program, and requires a dynamic individual to contribute to this unique health service. This challenging role is pivotal to the future development and growth of community midwifery services within Western Australia. We are seeking a Midwife with highly developed clinical, managerial and network building skills, as well as the commitment and drive to take the Program to its next level of development. For application package or forfurther information contact:Jodie Booker on 0428 887 567 or email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Closing date: 7/10/05 COB www.communitymidwiferywa.org.au Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes
Re: [ozmidwifery] me too - my letter to Miranda
Dear Janet and all Please send copies of your emails to the NSW Minister of health [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] And let Miss Devine and the editor know that you are doing this with a CC on the bottom of your letter Please do this in responding to all the outrageous media so the Minister knows there are informed midwives and consumers who try to respond to this guff!! Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 1:22 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] me too - my letter to Miranda I gave in. I couldn't bear it any longer. J - apparently proud to hang out with the zealots Ms Devine, I am at a loss to understand why you are promoting such appalling medical misinformation. You have provided no evidence and obviously misunderstand the importance of normal physiological birth to healthy babies, and the physically healthy and emotionally intact mothers who must care for them. Your childish depiction of those of us who oppose the poorly evidenced medical model of birth in favour of the internationally recognised standard, is inaccurate in the extreme. I am a consumer who researches and makes choices on the available worldwide evidence, and despite scaremongering by obstetricians, and illinformed persons like yourself, the evidence remains the same. Routine obstetric care leads to high rates of unnecessary and dangerous interventions and concomitantly poor outcomes for mothers and babies.Let me give you some actual evidence because you have none. Citing a number of undeniably tragic case studies, given by a leading opponent of evidence based care, namely Pieter Mourik, and presenting it without references does not a case make. The World Health Organisation states clearly in its 1996 publication Care in Normal Birth: a practical guide ( http://www.who.int/reproductive-health/publications/MSM_96_24/care_in_normal_birth_practical_guide.pdf) that routine obstetric care is potentially dangerous and just plain inappropriate for most women. Women and their babies can be harmed by unnecessary practices. Staff in referral facilities can become dysfunctional if their capacity to care for very sick women who need all their attention and expertise is swamped by the sheer number of normal births which present themselves. In their turn, such normal births are frequently managed with "standardised protocols" which only find their justification in the care of women with childbirth complications. A study of 1765 women published in the British Medical Journal in 1996 concluded that Routine specialist visits for women initially at low risk of pregnancy complications offer little or no clinical or consumer benefit.(http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/abstract/312/7030/554 ) We know from Australian studies that the outcomes of our private hospitals and private obstetricians are very poor even when compared with our deeply flawed public system. medically 'low risk' multiparous women who gave birth in a private hospital with a private obstetrician were less likely to have spontaneous onset of labour, more likely to have induction and/or augmentation, less likely to have a vaginal birth and significantly more likely to have obstetric interventions at birth. They were also more likely to have an elective or an emergency caesarean section. These women were twice as likely to have an episiotomy for a vaginal birth 19.2% v 7.0% and three times more likely to have an epidural 31.3% v 9.2%. (Rates for obstetric intervention among private and public patients in Australia: a population based descriptive study. BMJ 2000; 321: 137-141) In Ireland, the MDU found that maternal deaths accounted for 8% of all maternal negligence claims taken against obstetrician/gynaecologists from 1978-1998 (The MDU, Ireland, 1998) a clearly appalling death rate. WHO drew attention to the overprevalence of caesarean back in 1985 and yet our rates are inexorably rising as we continue to employ surgeons as primary carers. What effect does this have? To quote Marie OConnor, National surveys on maternal deaths in the United Kingdom (Hall and Bewley, 1999) show that while the mortality rate for all caesareans is six times that of vaginal birth, the fatality rate in elective caesareans is three times that of spontaneous or unassisted birth. The principal risks posed by caesarean delivery to the baby are iatrogenic prematurity and respiratory distress syndrome. As Peter S. Bernstein has noted
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth After CS booklet
Dear Jo So is it an update of the Birthrites booklet? Sounds like the content is the same!? Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. — Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Dean Jo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 2:53 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Birth After CS booklet Just wanting to let people know that CARES SA have just finished a 70+ page document covering all the issues about Birth After CS. It is AMAZINGLY GOOD (if I do say so myself! I am SO proud of Carolyn for putting it together). It covers common myths then follows up with current abstracts; highlights policies and management; outcomes and so on. ALL evidenced based. ALL current. Contents page: Table of Contents South Australian Perinatal Practice Guidelines 4 Best Available Research Comparing Risks of VBAC (Vaginal Birth After Cesarean) and of Planned Repeat C-Section 11 Women’s Satisfaction with VBAC 17 VBAC After two Caesareans 20 Midwifery Care and VBAC 24 Preparing for a Vaginal Birth After Caesarean 28 Frequently Asked Questions 35 I was told… 39 Homebirth After Caesarean 46 Uterine Rupture 52 Another Caesarean 66 Recommended Reading List 68 Statistics 71 Glossary 74 CARES SA INC. is a non profit organization who provide understanding and compassion for women recovering from caesarean birth, planning caesarean birth or aiming for a vaginal birth after caesarean (VBAC). Awareness of the individual’s rights to make informed choice is a main focus of the group. We encourage women and their families to become actively involved in the decision making that will effect the birth of their child. Aiming to increase community awareness and understanding of the issues surrounding surgical birth is also a main focus. Recovery is a crucial element for maintaining good health. It is very important that a woman is fully informed of the physical recovery, but more importantly we focus on the vital need for emotional healing. Through a safe, caring and understanding environment, women and their partners are encouraged to follow their path to emotional healing. Education is important when making decisions and it is our goal to be up-to-date on current trends and philosophies. By providing relevant information to women and the community, we hope that a greater understanding of the effects of caesarean birth will reduce the amount of traumatic experiences. Support for birth choices is vital, especially for those seeking vaginal birth after caesarean. By providing women with the options available to them and then respecting that choice, we hope to empower women and their families to achieve the desired positive birth for both mother and child. --*-- We will be willing to supply email versions for people at a small cost -perhaps a CARES membership of $20 pa- further details will be available for those interested. Yours in choice Jo Bainbridge CD CARES SA SA MC Bloomin Good Birth -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.8/113 - Release Date: 9/27/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.8/113 - Release Date: 27/09/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] NYTimes.com: 'Mothering the Mother' During Childbirth, and After
Title: E-Mail This The stories behind this need are to me a sad reflection on the US health system which our federal govt is pushing us to immulate! ! Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 10:58 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] NYTimes.com: 'Mothering the Mother' During Childbirth, and After This page was sent to you by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message from sender:Thought some might be interested in this NATIONAL | September 25, 2005 'Mothering the Mother' During Childbirth, and After By JODI WILGOREN Doulas - part mentors, part hand-holders - are increasingly offering their childbirth services to low-income teenagers. 1. Is It Better to Buy or Rent? 2. As Test Scores Jump, Raleigh Credits Integration by Income 3. 'Mothering the Mother' During Childbirth, and After 4. Editorial: Hard Bigotry of No Expectations 5. Op-Ed Columnist: Bring Back Warren Harding » Go to Complete List Do you love NY? Get the insiders guide to where to stay, what to do and where to eat. Go to www.nytimes.com/travel for your NYC Guide now. Click here. Copyright 2005 The New York Times Company | Privacy Policy No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: 23/09/2005
[ozmidwifery] PutIssues on Insight
Dear All
Let's all right and ask for an unedited airing of all the issues around maternity
services on Judy Brokey's Insight program on SBS??
http://news.sbs.com.au/insight/guestbook.php?type=S#
Denise Hynd
"Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the
sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone,
our bodies will be handled."
Linda Hes
- Original Message -
From:
sally
tracy
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 5:21
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] SMH Letter -
support of Devine
not despairing too badly - it seems this
is a beat up - ie the person didn't exist and although the letter doesn't
completely put Ryde in it - by inference it does. The author is a lawyer
at West Ryde.but there have been no women having a 3rd baby transferred
that we can find!STAndrea Robertson wrote:
Hi there, This letter is in today's SMH:
- The centre, not middle It
would be a great tragedy if the tremendous advances Australia has achieved
in maternal and infant survival and wellbeing in the past 50 years are being
put at risk by moves to wind back the role medical skill and intervention
has played in this achievement ("Mum and baby are caught in the middle",
Herald, September 22). Our family's recent experience at a
midwife-led hospital birthing unit, where a third childbirth was
unexpectedly fraught with life-threatening complications that could have
been avoided with timely medical assessment and intervention, has left us
traumatised and highly critical of the midwife-led model of childbirth.
By all means give midwives the recognition and key role they have
earned, but making childbirth a political and ideological battlefield where
the aim seems to be to take as much of the field as possible, belies the
stated aim, of putting the wellbeing of mother and infant at the centre.
Patricia Gilchrist West Ryde -- Oh
well, you can't win 'em all. Andrea -
Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in
Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [ozmidwifery] wyong reopens
Congratulations Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes - Original Message - From: diane To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 8:41 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] wyong reopens Hi everyone, Hot breaking news today... Wyong birthing unit is opening next Monday as a low risk birthing unit. Anything outside the ACMI guidelines are refered or transfered to Gosford. We're so excited Cheers Diane No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.3/106 - Release Date: 19/09/2005
Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery led units
I would not be surprised if she was full of fear so herhormones were out of kilter Then I wonder if she was also on the bed and obstructing her outlet . Whereas the couple with the midwife were relaxed confident and kneeling supported so given a good go Pity there are no water emersion facilities at Ryde!! Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes - Original Message - From: jo To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 12:47 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] "Midwifery led units" The couple who had ob care and had a 38hr labour and ended up with forceps What were the reasons for this? Was she induced? Did she have an epidural? How long did he allow her to push before he thought it necessary to pull the baby out? I though you were wonderful Sally, and I had to giggle a little when he was going on at the conference and I could see Nicky Leap in the background with her head in her hands. It certainly is hair pulling stuff! Cheers Jo From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Anne ClarkeSent: Tuesday, 20 September 2005 10:29 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] "Midwifery led units" Dear Sally, You and the Ryde Birth Centre still looked terrific to me. Liked how the one Ob. supported Midwives in the 7.30 report. The couple who had ob care and had a 38hr labour and ended up with forceps - would have transferred her long ago and so no wait onongoing care. The 7.30 report inferred that the mother would have had to wait another 20 minutes for transport before getting her forcep birth, although with Midwifery careshe would have probably been transferred long before she needed the forceps anyway. I am sure the ob was waiting just outside the door 'just in case' he needed her for her forcep birth. So frustrating when they do not report in context. What is wrong with 'Midwifery led units'? RegardsAnne ClarkeBirth Centre, Brisbane - Original Message - From: sally tracy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] "Midwifery led units" Dear Oz mids and AndreaI agree wholeheartedly with you we have to have a better term..and on the day in Newcastle I proposed we stop suggesting any one practitioner is more important than another in this stuff and call the units 'co-operative maternity units'!! Co-ops between women midwives and the odd obstetrician or paed.I'm sorry the 7.30 report was so frightfulI knew it was going to be a mild disaster - because they were s determined to have Mourik in all his glory and they really wanted me to respond. When I refused - it was considered dull television , so I was completely caught out when they suggested to me that Sri Devis transfer was a failure! Crikey - that's the two seconds worth of the at least (three hours filming) they decided to show of my response. Moral of the story is that we are caught in a horrible constant shark attack and we seem to always have to be defending our practice no matter what. The glimmer of light in last night program was the gorgeous women - those who hadn't had a 28 hour labour!!! excuse me - the Ryde women average about 6-8 hours...and didn't their babies look so alert and drug freeHoney Acharya wrote:Here's the transcript if anyone missed ithttp://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2005/s1463815.htmCheersHoney- Original Message - From: "Andrea Robertson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 7:48 AMSubject: [ozmidwifery] "Midwifery led units" As I watched the 7.30 Report last night, that dreadful term "midwifery ledunit" kept springing up. I have a real problem with this term, as you canread on My Diary:http://www.birthinternational.com/diary/index.htmlCan't we do better than this?Thinking caps on please!Andrea-Andrea RobertsonBirth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Educatione-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]web: www.birthinternational.com--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. --This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ NOD32 1.1222 (20050919) Information __This message was checked by N
Re: [ozmidwifery] CPD
I remeber an obs from Houstion Texas saying on another list He used to beleive in CPD Now he sees it as often as Rocking Horse s!! Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." — Linda Hes - Original Message - From: brendamanning To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 1:48 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] CPD Hi listers, A ? Do you think CPD is overdiagnosed ? If so how often would this misdiagnosis occur do you think ? Plus how often is it wrong ? Any idea where I'd find this info ?? Brenda www.themidwife.com.au No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.3/106 - Release Date: 19/09/2005
[ozmidwifery] Fw: Research mailing from the Baby Friendly Initiative
Title: Research update from the UNICEF UK Baby Friendly Initiative - Original Message - From: Baby Friendly News To: Denise Hynd Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 8:59 AM Subject: Research mailing from the Baby Friendly Initiative 19 September 2005Legal loophole allows banned formula advertising to mothers and babiesPregnant women and new mothers are being pressured to bottle feed their babies by advertising which was thought to have been outlawed ten years ago.A MORI survey of 1,000 new mothers and pregnant women published today by the United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF UK) and the National Childbirth Trust (NCT) suggests that manufacturers are exploiting loopholes in a law banning the promotion of infant formula for babies. Two thirds (60%) of those surveyed said they had seen or heard advertising for infant formula in the past year. Advertising of infant formula has been banned in the UK since 1995 in recognition of the importance of breastfeeding.The letter of the law banning adverts for infant formula - milk powder for babies which can be used from birth - has been broadly observed by manufacturers, say UNICEF and the NCT, but adverts for other products such as follow-on formula for older babies appear to be causing confusion. "When the advertising ban was introduced, it didn't cover follow-on formula," said Andrew Radford, Director of UNICEF UK's Baby Friendly Initiative. "The manufacturers have since changed the way they package and promote their follow-on formulas so that they're almost identical to the regular infant formula. This means that a supposedly legal TV or magazine advert for a follow-on formula will also promote a company's infant formula."More than a third of women who had seen formula advertising said that the message conveyed was that infant formula is 'as good as' or 'better than' breastmilk. This is despite the overwhelming evidence that bottle-feeding carries significant health risks. The UK's Health Departments recommend that babies have nothing other than breastmilk for their first six months of life. In England, the Government has committed to seeking stricter controls on advertising in its delivery plans for the 'Choosing Health' white paper [see report]. UNICEF UK and the NCT are now calling for the European Commission to allow the UK to protect mothers and babies from all promotion of formula milks. Along with other members of the Baby Feeding Law Group, they are urging the EC to give all EU governments the flexibility to extend the advertising ban so the law does what it was originally intended to do. The survey also reveals that many mothers are unclear about the distinction between the different types of formula milk. Of the mothers who had used follow-on milk, nearly one in five said they started before their baby was three months old, despite the product's higher mineral content, which is unsuitable before six months.Although some mothers may be referring to the move from one infant formula to another (rather than from infant formula to follow-on formula), UNICEF UK and the NCT believe that the results of the survey demonstrate how confusing and potentially dangerous the advertising is.Belinda Phipps, Chief Executive of the NCT said: "The advertising ban was introduced to protect mothers to ensure they could make decisions about feeding their baby based on reliable information. Current promotion is being seen by mothers as infant formula advertising and is affecting how they feed their babies. It's clear that the law needs to be tightened to protect babies' health and stop this confusion. "Our survey has revealed the real impact of cleverly designed, high volume promotion of follow-on formula. Rates of breastfeeding in the UK are low compared with the rest of Europe and our survey suggests that follow-on formula advertising is contributing to these low rates. We need stricter controls to ensure the marketing of breastmilk substitutes is replaced with independent information for parents and health professionals."An NOP poll commissioned by the Department of Health in August 2005 supports the findings that the majority of women who have seen formula advertising consider it to be infant formula advertising.Links:UNICEF/NCT/MORI surveyDepartment of Health/NOP surveyBaby Feeding Law GroupCurrent UK legislationUK breastfeeding statisticsNational Childbirth TrustThis is a research update from the UNICEF UK Baby Friendly Initiative. To unsubscribe or
Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery led units
Dear Andrea Words, their overt and unrecognised implications were quite evident last night as ever in the dialogue about birth I found myself remembering Michell Odent's talking of the origin of Obstetrician and Midwife last nite ! I wonder when Dr M's attitude that birth is a disaster waiting to happen became is motivator and if he has ever reflected on the self fulfilling impact of this attitude on practice and outcomes? When the origin meaning of midwife 'with woman is known/understood then I feel a midwifery led unit is more than a birth centre and I also reckon we have more BBA's and will have to address the need of some women to birth at home ? Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 5:48 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery led units As I watched the 7.30 Report last night, that dreadful term midwifery led unit kept springing up. I have a real problem with this term, as you can read on My Diary: http://www.birthinternational.com/diary/index.html Can't we do better than this? Thinking caps on please! Andrea - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.1/104 - Release Date: 16/09/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Contacts for Midwives
Silly me Some aspects of my email soft ware were playing up and I was tired!! Now can I get my spell check back??? Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. — Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Jennifairy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Contacts for Midwives this email youve sent actually has the links for both sally T jan r in it just right click on them to add them to yr address book. um, who else do you need? jfairy Denise Hynd wrote: Dear All I recently made a wrong delete and lost all my midwife emails including that of Jan R and Sally T Can some one please help me re-enter their email addresses?? Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. — Linda Hes - Original Message - *From:* sally tracy mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au *Sent:* Friday, September 16, 2005 8:36 AM *Subject:* Re: [ozmidwifery] perinatal stats Dear all Jan has summed it up in a nutshell - both the discrepancies and the reasons why many home births go unreported.. we did a 'run' with the national data a couple of months ago - and we were suprised to find an even geater difference than this one you report Jan. The most difficult thing is to reconcile the BDM data with the perinatal data - because there is such a long lead time between when the baby is born and when parents have to register the birth (ie five years) Sally T. Jan Robinson wrote: Hi Andrea Yes it is a huge discrepancy but the law only relates to births attended by registered doctors or midwives. Registered health professionals have an obligation to report the details of each birth they attend whether they occur at home or in a hospital. They have to provide the NOTIFICATION OF BIRTH to BDM and submit the perinatal data to the appropriate department of their Dept of Health. It is the parents responsibility to register the birth of their child. I assume that MOST of the unreported home births are that way because lay people would be unaware of their state laws. Individuals who are aware of the laws also understand that if they DO report any births that they attend also run the risk of holding themselves out to be a midwife and that is PUNISHABLE by law. It would be interesting for midwives to approach their own state/territory Dept of BDM as to the number of babies registered as being born at their home address and then get the figures from the perinatal data collections to compare. Anyone want to get cracking in their state? I'd love to get data from around the country. I have some Tasmanian figures and I have some from Victoria but they are not as easy to interpret as the NSW data. At the moment we are using the NSW figures to try and convince the Health Minister to publicly fund the home births and therefore provide a legitimate choice of skilled home birth practitioner for ALL women wanting a home birth. Cheers Jan Jan Robinson Independent Midwife Practitioner National Coordinator Australian Society of Independent Midwives 8 Robin Crescent South Hurstville NSW 2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350 e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.au On 15 Sep, 2005, at 08:23, Andrea Quanchi wrote: Jan that is a huge discrepancy, How many of these ones not reported to Data Collection are attended by registered midwives do you think? Surely the data collection could approach these people not reporting, through the births deaths and marriages, through the families that they are attending to cover the privacy issues, informing them of their duty to report and where they can access the data collection material. You wont get all of them but you might get some more. Are they scared of being identified if they are not registered? Maybe it needs to be free from this issue if you want the data Andrea On 15/09/2005, at 7:58 AM, Jan Robinson wrote: Hi Andrea, Denise et al I have just been in touch with our Dept of Births Deaths and Marriages again for an update on babies registered as being born at home. The numbers change each year as there are some people who don't register their child until they need to go to school so I get updates for each year. So far what we have in NSW is actual number of home births registered number of PLANNED HOME BIRTHS reported to perinatal data collection (NSW Midwives Data Collection) 1999 493 139 2000 394 108 2001 388 144 2002 322
[ozmidwifery] 7.30 report now on again - promos going to air
Hi everyone, At bloody last !! Last night the 7.30 report did a promo for the midwife led unit story featuring Sally Tracy to be screened this week. No day set - but could be any night from monday. well done to all who ensured it didnt get shelved. Sally-Anne No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.1/104 - Release Date: 16/09/2005
[ozmidwifery] Contacts for Midwives
Dear All I recently made a wrong delete and lost all my midwife emails including that of Jan R and Sally T Can some one please help me re-enter their email addresses?? Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes - Original Message - From: sally tracy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] perinatal stats Dear allJan has summed it up in a nutshell - both the discrepancies and the reasons why many home births go unreported.. we did a 'run' with the national data a couple of months ago - and we were suprised to find an even geater difference than this one you report Jan. The most difficult thing is to reconcile the BDM data with the perinatal data - because there is such a long lead time between when the baby is born and when parents have to register the birth (ie five years) Sally T. Jan Robinson wrote: Hi Andrea Yes it is a huge discrepancy but the law only relates to births attended by registered doctors or midwives. Registered health professionals have an obligation to report the details of each birth they attend whether they occur at home or in a hospital. They have to provide the NOTIFICATION OF BIRTH to BDM and submit the perinatal data to the appropriate department of their Dept of Health. It is the parents responsibility to register the birth of their child. I assume that MOST of the unreported home births are that way because lay people would be unaware of their state laws. Individuals who are aware of the laws also understand that if they DO report any births that they attend also run the risk of "holding themselves out to be a midwife" and that is PUNISHABLE by law. It would be interesting for midwives to approach their own state/territory Dept of BDM as to the number of babies registered as being born at their home address and then get the figures from the perinatal data collections to compare. Anyone want to get cracking in their state? I'd love to get data from around the country. I have some Tasmanian figures and I have some from Victoria but they are not as easy to interpret as the NSW data. At the moment we are using the NSW figures to try and convince the Health Minister to publicly fund the home births and therefore provide a legitimate choice of skilled home birth practitioner for ALL women wanting a home birth. Cheers Jan Jan Robinson Independent Midwife Practitioner National Coordinator Australian Society of Independent Midwives 8 Robin Crescent South Hurstville NSW 2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350 e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.au On 15 Sep, 2005, at 08:23, Andrea Quanchi wrote: Jan that is a huge discrepancy, How many of these ones not reported to Data Collection are attended by registered midwives do you think? Surely the data collection could approach these people not reporting, through the births deaths and marriages, through the families that they are attending to cover the privacy issues, informing them of their duty to report and where they can access the data collection material. You wont get all of them but you might get some more. Are they scared of being identified if they are not registered? Maybe it needs to be free from this issue if you want the data Andrea On 15/09/2005, at 7:58 AM, Jan Robinson wrote: Hi Andrea, Denise et al I have just been in touch with our Dept of Births Deaths and Marriages again for an update on babies registered as being born at home. The numbers change each year as there are some people who don't register their child until they need to go to school so I get updates for each year. So far what we have in NSW is actual number of home births registered number of PLANNED HOME BIRTHS reported to perinatal data collection (NSW Midwives Data Collection) 1999 493 139 2000 394 108 2001 388 144 2002 322 99 2003 383 109 2004 359 don't have the 2004 figures from NSWMD collection yet - hope to have them soon - the BDM are much more organised with data collection but I guess that is because they have motivated providers of their data (the parents). Even though there has been a law since the 1990s that states all doctors and midwives who attend home births must submit their data - the NSWMD knows a lot of health professionals fail to report. There is no law that states unattended home births have to be reported to the NSWMDC. 2005 to date 197 You can see there is quiet a difference in the records I'd love some budding Master's student to get busy on this one as I won't have time for it until I r
Re: [ozmidwifery] perinatal stats
Dear Andrea Have these BBA births in Vic increased since the loss of MIPP insurance and some midwives withdrawing from practice?? Jan Robinson said there was an increased in these births there possibly some more un assisted hombirths in NSW over this period!! She found this by comparing the midwife and birth notification figures because the latter would include women who birthed at home and did not go to hospital Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Andrea Quanchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] perinatal stats Unplanned out of hospital births (BBA) were 254 Andrea On 14/09/2005, at 5:29 PM, Tania Smallwood wrote: Just out of interest Andrea, what is the number of bba's in comparison? Someone recently pointed out to me that if the women here in SA who had a quick labour and then didn't make it to the hospital, had had access to a midwife who could have come to their home, the number of 'homebirths' would have been nearly doubled. Funny how those women are seen as 'lucky' and yet the one's planning a birth at home attended by a midwife are 'stupid'! Cheers Tania x -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrea Quanchi Sent: Wednesday, 14 September 2005 4:41 PM To: Maternity Coalition; ozmidwifery Subject: [ozmidwifery] perinatal stats I received my 2004 homebirths profile from VPDCU in the mail today and was happy to see that the number of planned homebirths for 2004 was 181 up from 154 the year before and from 132 in 1999 so keep up the good work everyone Andrea Quanchi -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.24/101 - Release Date: 13/09/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] SA Midwives Bill 2005
Hi all A media release going out from the leader of the SA Democrats tomorrow (who is extremely supportive of our SA birth groups, and NCAD). Wednesday 14th September 2005 OF MIDWIFE BORN In a cut to the chase, Minister move South Australian Democrats Leader, Sandra Kanck, will today introduce the Midwives Bill 2005. This legislation is long overdue, says Ms Kanck. South Australian women want and deserve better access to midwifery services and this legislation is needed to ensure that happens. Witness the number of women clamouring for the limited places in the WCH Midwifery Group Practice. Further it makes sense, from a public policy perspective, for an increasing number of births to be managed by midwives rather than obstetricians Obstetricians are the experts best able to handle high-risk, abnormal and complex births. Midwives provide expert, highly cost-effective care to healthy women during pregnancy, birth and during the post-partum period. Since the beginning of this year South Australia has had a group of Midwives who are licensed to practice under the Nurses Act but who are not trained as nurses; they are graduates of direct-entry midwifery courses. The Bill provides for the registration of midwives and midwifery students; to regulate midwifery for the purpose of maintaining high standards of competence and conduct by midwives and midwifery students in South Australia; and for other purposes. It's not really controversial yet getting the Rann Government to support this legislation has proven a most difficult birth process. This Bill will pave the way for SA's own purpose-trained midwives to be registered, recognised and regulated in their own right, said Ms Kanck Cathi Tucker Researcher in Health Personal Assistant to Hon. Sandra Kanck MLC, Leader SA Democrats (08) 8237 9278 Phone (08) 8410 4171 Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.sa.democrats.org.au http://www.sa.democrats.org.au/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/MCMgtCte/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://au.docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.24/101 - Release Date: 13/09/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] R U there??
Has ozmidwifery gone quiet over the alst 3 days?? or just my connection ?? Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes
[ozmidwifery] Problems with Ozmid List or not??
Nothing for several days and suddenly 31 from you Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED]) and nothing from the list not even my question What is happening ?? Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 8:56 PM Subject: FW: [ozmidwifery] IOL and C/s... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lisa Barrett Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 3:53 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] IOL and C/s... Hi Tania I too have been checking out the facts on inductions after listening to the same Obstetrician. The Nice guidelines say that the mortality rate is 1 in 3000 at 37 weeks 3 in 3000 at 41 weeks and 6 in 3000 at 43 weeks. at 40wks 58% of women have delivered at 41wks 74% of women have delivered at 42wks 82% of women have delivered. Due to all of the above the conclusion they make is induction prior to 41 wks increases work load without significantly lowering perinatal mortality. The whole document can be read on www.nice.org.uk Also there are some interesting figures on the birthlove site below. These figures do show the risk for primip section is doubled with induction but the over all section rate doesn't seem to be altered. Unless I've misinterpreted it. http://www.birthlove.com/free/induction.html#first Lisa Barrett - Original Message - From: Tania Smallwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 8:52 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] IOL and C/s... Hi Belinda, Is this stat published anywhere, or just anecdotal? A 60% section rate is twice the rate for the state, and I think twice the average for that hospital too, and having just heard a leading obstetrician there tell women that there is NO risk of an increase in c/s as a result of induction, I'm trying to get my head around it... Tania x -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sent: Tuesday, 13 September 2005 12:06 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] IOL and C/s... Tania, at the wch the stats are - for primip women indcued before 41 weeks there is a 60% cs rate. Belinda Tania Smallwood wrote: Just wondering if there are any good quality trials about IOL and increase of c/s? Have just re-read Enkin, and it does state that IOL is not associated with an increase in caesarean section rate (but given that most states here are up around the 30% mark, you have to wonder what they are comparing that to?), but I thought something came out of the Uk not long ago disputing this? Anyone? Tania -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.23/99 - Release Date: 12/09/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Re: Problems with Ozmid List or not??
Vedrana Thank you it was overwhelming but I still do not know what is happening? Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Denise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:40 PM Subject: RE: Problems with Ozmid List or not?? Well :), I forwarded all messages from the list from past 3 days to you when you said you weren't getting anything. There were 31 of them. I think you're not getting any messages from the list, I don't know why. The messages you are sending to the list are coming through. Vedrana -Original Message- From: Denise Hynd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 3:36 PM To: Vedrana Valčić Cc: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Problems with Ozmid List or not?? Nothing for several days and suddenly 31 from you Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED]) and nothing from the list not even my question What is happening ?? Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 8:56 PM Subject: FW: [ozmidwifery] IOL and C/s... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lisa Barrett Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 3:53 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] IOL and C/s... Hi Tania I too have been checking out the facts on inductions after listening to the same Obstetrician. The Nice guidelines say that the mortality rate is 1 in 3000 at 37 weeks 3 in 3000 at 41 weeks and 6 in 3000 at 43 weeks. at 40wks 58% of women have delivered at 41wks 74% of women have delivered at 42wks 82% of women have delivered. Due to all of the above the conclusion they make is induction prior to 41 wks increases work load without significantly lowering perinatal mortality. The whole document can be read on www.nice.org.uk Also there are some interesting figures on the birthlove site below. These figures do show the risk for primip section is doubled with induction but the over all section rate doesn't seem to be altered. Unless I've misinterpreted it. http://www.birthlove.com/free/induction.html#first Lisa Barrett - Original Message - From: Tania Smallwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 8:52 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] IOL and C/s... Hi Belinda, Is this stat published anywhere, or just anecdotal? A 60% section rate is twice the rate for the state, and I think twice the average for that hospital too, and having just heard a leading obstetrician there tell women that there is NO risk of an increase in c/s as a result of induction, I'm trying to get my head around it... Tania x -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sent: Tuesday, 13 September 2005 12:06 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] IOL and C/s... Tania, at the wch the stats are - for primip women indcued before 41 weeks there is a 60% cs rate. Belinda Tania Smallwood wrote: Just wondering if there are any good quality trials about IOL and increase of c/s? Have just re-read Enkin, and it does state that IOL is not associated with an increase in caesarean section rate (but given that most states here are up around the 30% mark, you have to wonder what they are comparing that to?), but I thought something came out of the Uk not long ago disputing this? Anyone? Tania -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.23/99 - Release Date: 12/09/2005 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.23/99 - Release Date: 12/09/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] AstWekend
Trust you have all seen the Australian this weekend? If not try http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16548148%255E23289,00.html I hope they might publish some homebirth mother letters? What was in the SMH as they have previously been very busy on this debate also Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes
Re: [ozmidwifery] baby poo
Title: Message Dear Sylvia Overall I agree with Julia Despite being a LC I am not an expert on formulas but none are like human milk no matter how they are fiddled with Formulas areare made from eithr Cow, Goat or plant basis Both Cow's and Goats are ruminant animals a totally different digestive tract and need in young to a human. apparently rabbit and cats and many other species would have more similar milk but we do not milk them or have an industry which does!! My question therefore is Would the mother not consider returning to at least some huma (breast) milk note I do not say breastfeeding?? Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Julia Vaughan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 5:17 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] baby poo No-one else seems to have replied so I will jump in In my opinion it is probably the babys physical reaction to the abrupt change in diet. If baby was weaned slowly and formula replaced gradually i.e one feed at a time over a period of weeks then the reaction would probably not be as obvious. Formula-babies poos are usually clay-like in consistency and bub may well be constipated on top of this. Formula-fed bubs are prone to constipation breast-fed babies are almost never constipated. I agree that changing formula will most probably not help in this instance it is most probably a reaction to formula in general as apposed to a specific type or brand. It is probably best that if mum does decide to change that she goes with a whey-dominant formula as these have been humanised as apposed to a casein dominant formula which is more like cows milk (S26 is whey dominant). HTH, Julia. -Original Message-From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Sylvia BoutsalisSent: Tuesday, 6 September 2005 10:12 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] baby poo Hi there, I have a question regarding baby poo. This baby is 6 1/2 months old, was fully breast fed until 3 weeks ago when her motherput her on straight formula (S26 premium), no weaning. The baby is not eating any form of solids as yet. She is apparently over 70 cms (which I think the mum said was the normal height for a 9month old). She looks like she is gaining weight normally. Her poo has been clay-like from the beginning of formula feeding, greenish/grey mostly with some specks of yellow occasionally. It is causing her so much distress when she is trying to poo, with her going red, holding her breath for ages and even sweating so much I had to wipe her face with a tissue. Is this normal??? I have seen this baby try to do a poo before and there was a never ending stream of clay coming out of her bottom. I wiped it away and then saw some more, wiped that, then more etc etc. It's not a bowel motion I've ever seen before and I'm a bit concerned. I told the mother to change formula but a health nurse (phone call to a service) told her not to change the formula and that it takes babies ages to adjust. That doesn't ring true to me, so I wanted another opinion. I told the mother to take the baby to a paediatrician pronto just to be sure, as this baby's distress was alarming. Any advice? Thanks in advance Sylvia Boutsalis Infant Massage Instructor Childbirth Educator Adelaide No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/90 - Release Date: 5/09/2005
[ozmidwifery] FW: Article re. caesars....
Subject: RE: [MCMgtCte] FW: Article re. caesars See: http://www.forensic-psych.com/articles/artMedMal.html A Plaintiff's Verdict: Meador v. Stahler and Gheridian -The $1.5 million award to a Massachusetts woman and her family in Meador v. Stahler and Gheridian3 made news as a rare instance of a malpractice judgment based on an allegedly unwanted and unnecessary cesarean section rather than a failure to perform such an operation. The plaintiff, Mary Meador, did not claim that the procedure was negligently performed or that the rare and disabling physical complications that resulted from it (which left her largely bedridden and unable to work or meet her family responsibilities for several years) were foreseeable. Instead, she claimed that the defendant obstetricians had misrepresented the risks of the alternative procedure (vaginal birth after prior cesarean) and ignored her persistent pleas for this alternative. Moreover, she alleged, they compelled her passive assent to the surgery in an emotionally coercive manner while she was progressing normally in labor, despite their having previously agreed to such a trial of labor. -Because the consequences of the cesarean were unforeseeable, and because Meador had signed a consent form for the surgery (to be used in case of emergency), this case did not meet the technical requirements specified under Massachusetts law4 for an action based on informed consent. Instead, the case was brought on the theory that the physicians' failure to obtain the patient's informed consent constituted substandard, negligent medical care. The forensic psychiatrist's expert testimony emphasized that the pro forma signing of a consent form did not constitute true informed consent, especially in light of the physicians' alleged disregard of the patient's expressed wishes and their inaccurate representation of the risks and benefits of the approach she preferred. - The psychiatrist also explained to the jury how Meador's life history left her vulnerable to experiencing the denial of informed consent as a highly traumatic event. Having coped since childhood with serious illnesses in her family, Meador had viewed doctors and nurses as nurturing figures who helped her gain control of potentially tragic situations. She had learned that choice was still possible even amidst illness and death. She had even been inspired to become a nurse herself and to teach this discipline to others. Thus, when she experienced a sudden loss of choice and control during childbirth, she reacted with intense fear and horror and felt she had been betrayed by health professionals, whom she now feared and mistrusted. In this way she lost her accustomed strategy for coping with life. Moreover, having helped hold her original family together in the face of tragic illness, Meador saw the family she had created torn apart by her sudden and devastating loss of control in a medical situation. The jury's recognition of the importance of the emotional facts of the case was highlighted by its awarding almost one-third of the total damages for loss of consortium. -Thus, it was not simply the physically disabling consequences of the surgery, but the loss of personal decision-making power concerning her body, her health, and the birth of her child, that caused Meador to suffer from Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder. Similarly, her husband's experience of loss of consortium was exacerbated by the physicians' failure to consult him to interpret his wife's wishes during labor. Instead of having participated in a true informed-consent process, he was left to feel powerless and helpless. In this way, forensic psychiatric testimony established a persuasive causal link between the lack of informed consent and the physical and emotional damages suffered by the patient and her family. Cheers, C Subject: [MCMgtCte] FW: Article re. caesars The Midwife Strikes Back This is timely with NCAD next weekend but Imust say Andrew P has his facts wrong. A woman sued an OB for an unnecessarycs in the US and this year won!Cheers,Subject: Article re. caesarshttp://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,16490659-421,00.htmlOne third of Australian births to be caesarsBy Adam Cresswell05-09-2005From: The AustralianTHE number of women giving birth by caesarean section is rising fast, andcould soon hit a record of 32 per cent of deliveries - far higher than incountries such as Britain and New Zealand.There are more than 250,000 births a year nationwide, and emerging hospitaldata indicates the increase in caesarean rates since the mid-1990s may beaccelerating.Sally Tracy, associate professor of midwifery practice development at theUniversity of Technology Sydney, told The Australian yesterday thecalculations were based on trends in hospitals and the experiences ofmidwives in practice."Judging from the trends in tertiary hospitals, the caesarean rates are
Re: [ozmidwifery] missing twins
I know a midwife in WA a few years back who attended a homebirth in a country area expecting a singleton to discover twins The woman had seen a doctor and an U/S on at least 2 previous occasions Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Maxine Wilson To: ozmid Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 7:29 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] missing twins Sue I have experienced an uss missing twins on two occasions. I had an awful working relationship in an isolated aboriginal community setting with a doctor who thought it was appropriate to ultrasound pregnant women rather than actually palpating their abdomens at all. All these women had no dates and so I always guesstimated their dates by fundal height etc. We had a very basic uss machine but good enough to get a bpd and placental position etc. Women were always in 2nd trimester at the earliest when presenting for the first visit. Doctor scanned woman - gave estimate of gestation and placental site - singleton pregnancy. I saw woman again in four weeks time and hello - very marked increase in fundal height - took her into town to do a formal uss with an ultrasonographer and there were 2 babies! This also happened again within a few months with same doctor( amazing coincidence). Goes to show that there is a lot to be said for the power of a tape measure and the same measurer. Suffice it to say I had ongoing issues with this person's practice, patient careand politics involved. Maxine No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/89 - Release Date: 2/09/2005
Re: [ozmidwifery] Re-learning how to do breech births
Dear Andrea When will you add Perth to the this program?? Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 8:43 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re-learning how to do breech births Hello listers, Yesterday I was talking to Maggie Banks about scheduling some more of her wonderful Birthspirit Intensive workshops for 2006. We hope to take in Adelaide and Brisbane as well as Sydney and Melbourne next year, given their enormous popularity (still a few places left in the December program: http://www.birthinternational.com/event/intensives2005/index.html Anyway, she mentioned that she now has a program designed to teach midwives how to manage breech births, that is in the process of being fully credentialled through the NZ College of Midwifery. She is now touring NZ offering this program so that midwives feel confident in facilitating this kind of birth, if it happens. Would there be enough interest in Australia for me to approach her to present some of these workshops here? It would make a very good alternative to the ALSO program, and is completely midwifery based. As far as I know, it is a one day program too. There has been quite a lot of discussion about breech births on the list and the loss of skills as a result of the swing towards C/Sec. This might be one way to help halt the slide. Please email me if you are interested. My email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards, - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/86 - Release Date: 31/08/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Orgasmic births
Dear Jo The hormones which should operate in childbirth are the same as in orgasmic sex but the situations in which most women birth do/must inhibit those hormones from working and so birth is orgasmic for so few!! Having been at home with couples sometimes sitting outside the room where the woman/couple are labouring privately , I liken most hospital laboura as trying to have orgasmic sex in a public street with strangers watching and telling the woman/couple what to do!! No real sex let alone Orgasmic sex would happen in these situations for most couples, similarly birth is rarely orgasmic in these environments!! The wonder is that women do birth despite what we do to them whilst they are doing it!! It is like the way wounds used to heal when we used the equivalent of toilet bleach (Eusol) on them when I was a student nurse but now we know about the physiology of moist wound healng we would act if some-one suggested Eusol be used to debride a wound today!! In fact I think I would be before the nurses board but we are not there let alone making complaints that what we do to the majority of birthing is non-physiological!! I hope one day we all will similarly demand that we MUST support physiological childbirth by ensuring at least healthy women can birth in privacy, wher they want, how they want with those they know and trust and who know how to empower a woman to trust and work with their babies and bodies!! Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: jo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 7:49 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Men at births I think the utter relief after giving birth and the euphoria and oxytocin running through your body with a wet warm baby on your belly can be likened to orgasm - except BETTER! Cheers Jo x -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Cudlipp Sent: Thursday, 1 September 2005 11:45 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Men at births PS I have a very dear friend who says that her labour WAS orgasmic - while I can't (unfortunately) claim the same, there was definitely a sexual/sensual aspect to it Sue The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing Edmund Burke - Original Message - From: Susan Cudlipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Men at births Ah but they don't think that sex and childbirth are related!! Thanks for making me smile Sue The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing Edmund Burke - Original Message - From: Dean Jo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 1:20 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Men at births Noises during birth ARE similar to sex I think...not that I eaves drop that often! ;o) I think when people think of birthing positions and facial expressions not being 'ladylike' I often want to say it doesn't seem to bother people at the other end of the equation! -being conception! Thanks to cosmo and cleo we can now all feel comfortable with orgasim and the such...saw the headline for an article called heads up on going down gawd even made me blush! But when it comes to birth we are far more comfortable with the quiet well behaved serene woman. Just think, the lay back and think of england sex of years gone by has changed to be empowering, fulfilling and activebut birth has so far to go! Jo SA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Miriam Hannay Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 10:49 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Men at births I'm with you, Megan! To give birth to a beloved child is the ultimate expression of the emotional and sexual love my husband and I share. He described me during labour and birth as being 'awesome, powerful, sexy, strong, more beautiful than ever before'. He even commented that the involuntary noises I made during birth were similar to the noises I make during orgasm! Obviously, such an experience relies on the nature of the birth itself, We had three babes at home and one in hospital, all beautiful physiological births with no intervention. With regard retaining your 'sexual mystery', I'm not quite sure what there is about sex and sexuality that's 'mysterious'. If a couple's sexual relationship is open, honest, loving and passionate, does there need to be any 'mystery'? To me this smacks a little of patriarchal notions of women's role as sexual object... Gee, I hope my husband doesn't find anything about me mysterious after fourteen
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: 'Higher risk' in midwife deliveries (http://theaustralian.com.au report)
Dear Rachel I find your fedd back very perceptive it seems that the obs are behaving like threatened children. And previously Regarding the 3rd degree tear stats. I would be interested to know where this research is from. As far a I know no-one has researched physiological birth and it's impact on the perineum - probably because so few women experience it. I hope all future midwives have half the abilities you have shown on this list in only 2 emails You have given me great cheer for the futre of midwifery!! Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: wump fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 12:02 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Fw: 'Higher risk' in midwife deliveries (http://theaustralian.com.au report) As a newcomer to Australia from the UK - it seems that the obs are behaving like threatened children. Firstly, their stats can flawed. Other developed countries have also looked at the evidence and concluded that midwife-led, community-based care is effective, efficient and safe. For example, the UK is moving towards a midwifery-led birth centre model based on research about what women want and what is safe. Secondly, even if midwifery-led birth is unsafe (which it is not). Surely women's right to choose this option should be maintained. Women should be able to access a wide range of birth options from independent mws to elective c-section. Interesting that a woman's right to opt for an elective c-section/induction is upheld by the obs despite the wealth of research demonstrating it is not the safest choice for mother or baby. However, they want to block a woman's right to choose midwifery-led care based on safety claims. Is this about safety or power? I am deeply disturbed by the amount of hostility directed at mws by obs. We should be working together - mw being the experts in physiological birth, and obs being the experts in complicated birth. Rachel From: Sally-Anne Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fw: 'Higher risk' in midwife deliveries (http://theaustralian.com.au report) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:23:49 +1000 - Original Message - From: Sally To: Sally-Anne Brown Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 8:11 AM Subject: 'Higher risk' in midwife deliveries (http://theaustralian.com.au report) Sally ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) suggested you might be interested in this http://theaustralian.com.au report. 'Higher risk' in midwife deliveries Adam Cresswell, Health editor 30 August 2005 THE safety of midwife-led birthing units has been doubted and the most reliable evidence suggests babies born in such centres are 85 per cent more likely to die during or shortly after birth, compared with babies born in major hospitals. Leading obstetrician Andrew Pesce said yesterday that a review by the international Cochrane Collaboration - considered the best source of evidence for medical claims - found that home-like settings for births were associated with modest benefits. Dr Pesce said these benefits included higher rates of breastfeeding, more satisfied mothers and slightly higher rates of spontaneous vaginal childbirth (as opposed to surgical deliveries). However, the Sydney-based Dr Pesce - who is also secretary of the industrial lobby group the National Association of Specialist Obstetricians and Gynaecologists - said the review, published late last year, also found babies born in home-like settings such as midwife-run centres ran an 85 per cent higher risk of death around the time of childbirth. However, the overall rate is still very low - about eight babies in 1000 live births in 2002, according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics. Dr Pesce also said studies that midwives sometimes used to back up their safety claims were scientifically inferior, usually because their subjects were not randomised - an accepted technique to remove bias. Everybody says it's been shown to be safe - but it's not. It's been shown to be reasonably safe, but without question there's a worry about increased risk of perinatal mortality, he said. There's a positive effect (of birthing centres), but it's a lot lower than you would be led to believe by people who advocate this model. Kathleen Fahy, professor of midwifery at the University of Newcastle, said Dr Pesce was using the Cochrane deaths data to imply that something is significant when it isn't. What's going on here is a desire to prevent midwives from practising their profession, and using safety to do so
[ozmidwifery] Letters Visits please
Below is the response of Obs in the Australian to the current situation and Prof Kathleen Fahy's article Definitely not only a time for succint (130 words) to the editor but also more visists to local MLA and Senators Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 3:43 AM Obstetricians rally to fight birth of midwife units Adam Cresswell, Health editor August 29, 2005 DOCTORS are preparing to fight a renewed bid by midwives for greater independence by lobbying for Medicare funds to allow obstetricians to employ them in their private practices. The industrial body representing Australia's 800 practising obstetricians is strongly opposed to an independent role for midwives, who are seeking Medicare rebates to allow them to see private patients independently. The National Association of Specialist Obstetricians and Gynaecologists, which has 600 members, said a statement earlier this month on stand-alone midwife units by the official standards body - the Royal Australian and New Zealand College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists - was pissweak and insisted such units were crazy and fundamentally unsafe. The NSW Government has already established two midwife-led birthing units. The RANZCOG statement issued on August 4 said merely that wherever possible, and certainly in metropolitan areas midwife-led units should be within or next to 24-hour obstetric facilities, with full anaesthetic facilities and operating theatres. The NSW midwife centres, at Ryde in Sydney and Belmont near Newcastle, are a 15-minute ambulance ride from the nearest tertiary hospital. Both units accept only low-risk women, and neither offers anaesthesia. But NASOG chairman Scott Giltrap said all the relevant professions - obstetricians, midwives, anaesthetists, pediatricians, GPs and ancillary staff - had to work as a team to provide safe care. Under the plan put to federal Health Minister Tony Abbott, midwives would be employed by obstetricians in their private practices and a new Medicare rebate would be created based on the existing example of funding arrangements for nurses in GP surgeries. In general practices, the nurses are employed by doctors and work under their supervision. If the service is bulk-billed, the Medicare payment is paid directly to the employing doctor. We certainly don't think (Mr Abbott) should be supporting stand-alone midwife units, Dr Giltrap said. But we are keen on talking to him about how to integrate midwives more into the team, and whether there's the possibility of funding, particularly in private obstetrics. Although midwives pointed to much higher rates of midwife-led births in Europe, Dr Giltrap claimed Australian midwives were not as well trained as their European counterparts and Australian standards were often higher than those in Europe. In todays Australian No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.16/83 - Release Date: 26/08/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] 'Higher risk' in midwife deliveries (http://theaustralian.com.au report)
Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Sally-Anne Brown To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: MC Midwives Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 6:21 AM Subject: [Maternitycoalitonmidwives] Fw: 'Higher risk' in midwife deliveries (http://theaustralian.com.au report) apologies for cross postings - Original Message - From: Sally To: Sally-Anne Brown Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 8:11 AM Subject: 'Higher risk' in midwife deliveries (http://theaustralian.com.au report) Sally ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) suggested you might be interested in this http://theaustralian.com.au report. 'Higher risk' in midwife deliveriesAdam Cresswell, Health editor30 August 2005THE safety of midwife-led birthing units has been doubted and the most reliable evidence suggests babies born in such centres are 85 per cent more likely to die during or shortly after birth, compared with babies born in major hospitals. Leading obstetrician Andrew Pesce said yesterday that a review by the international Cochrane Collaboration - considered the best source of evidence for medical claims - found that home-like settings for births were associated with "modest benefits". Dr Pesce said these benefits included higher rates of breastfeeding, more satisfied mothers and slightly higher rates of spontaneous vaginal childbirth (as opposed to surgical deliveries). However, the Sydney-based Dr Pesce - who is also secretary of the industrial lobby group the National Association of Specialist Obstetricians and Gynaecologists - said the review, published late last year, also found babies born in home-like settings such as midwife-run centres ran an 85 per cent higher risk of death around the time of childbirth. However, the overall rate is still very low - about eight babies in 1000 live births in 2002, according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics. Dr Pesce also said studies that midwives sometimes used to back up their safety claims were scientifically inferior, usually because their subjects were not randomised - an accepted technique to remove bias. "Everybody says it's been shown to be safe - but it's not. It's been shown to be reasonably safe, but without question there's a worry about increased risk of perinatal mortality," he said. "There's a positive effect (of birthing centres), but it's a lot lower than you would be led to believe by people who advocate this model." Kathleen Fahy, professor of midwifery at the University of Newcastle, said Dr Pesce was using the Cochrane deaths data "to imply that something is significant when it isn't". "What's going on here is a desire to prevent midwives from practising their profession, and using safety to do so," she said. Sally Tracy, associate professor of midwifery practice development at the University of Technology Sydney, said she had recently finalised a study using data from more than 1million Australian births, which would be published shortly in a major medical journal. Although prevented under medical journal requirements from discussing the findings before publication, she said the results were positive for midwife centres. In an article to be published next month in NASOG's newsletter, Dr Pesce - who also represents obstetricians and gynaecologists on the Australian Medical Association's federal council - said the Cochrane review looked at the results of six different trials, together involving 8677 women. The review found birth centre care was associated with "modest" reductions in some medical interventions, such as episiotomies - where a cut is made in the perineum to assist birth and prevent uncontrolled tearing. However, Dr Pesce wrote that the study found higher perineal lacerations in midwife care, so the overall rate of injury in that area was similar. "In summary, there is now good-quality evidence of higher risk of perinatal death in birth centres,
[ozmidwifery] Fw: ACM Advocacy Update 26 August 2005 2nd Release
AUSTRALIAN COLLEGE OF MIDWIVES Advocacy Update 26 August 2005 2nd Release MEDIA RELEASE Friday, August 26, 2005 Midwife-led Birth Centres are Safe Recent allegations by the Australian Medical Association (16 August 2005) that birth centres pose an increased risk to babies are inaccurate and misleading Professor of Midwifery, Dr Kathleen Fahy said today. As a midwife and researcher of many years I am concerned that a national body would be so loose with the truth. The AMA cited a systematic review of the research literature which was published in the influential Cochrane Review and falsely claimed that there was a difference in outcomes for babies. In fact, although there was a slightly higher death rate for babies in the groups allocated to birth centre care, the review concluded that this difference was not statistically significant Fahy said. It is normal practice to only claim a difference between groups when that is statistically significant she said. What the AMA did not say was that the Cochrane review found major positive outcomes for women and babies that were statistically significant. Allocation to a home-like setting as the planned place of birth decreased the likelihood of women needing narcotic drugs or anaesthesia in labour. It also increased the rate of normal labour and birth. In addition, women were more satisfied with their birth care and they were more likely to breastfeed. The only published research which has investigated the causes of perinatal deaths in a birth centre was in Sweden (Gotvall et al.2004). This study showed that for birth centre women who commenced labour at term (the baby was mature but not more than 2 weeks overdue) and who had a live baby at the beginning of labour, only 3 babies died out of 3256 over 10 years. Of those three deaths one was due to infection (group B) which can't be blamed on midwifery management. One death occurred five hours after transfer to medical care and should not be blamed on the birth centre as there was plenty of time for the doctors to do a caesarean but they delayed. This leaves one death out of 3256 where the actions of the midwife could possibly be criticised for failing to transfer a woman when an abnormal heart sound was detected. This death rate compares favourably with the death rate for normally formed, fully grown babies where the care has been under medical control in standard hospital services Professor Fahy said. A recent study of all births in Australian birth centres over several years, currently in press with a reputable international journal, will confirm the safety of Australia's birth centres, she said. Midwives are qualified and licensed to provide antenatal, labour and post-birth care on their own responsibility. Normal healthy women do not need to be medically controlled in their labours and births and the literature shows that births centres are a popular, safe and viable choice for birth Professor Fahy said. Instead of trying to take away a service women value, it would be more appropriate if doctors organisations focused on supporting the provision of good quality obstetric and medical care for the 10-15% of women who can benefit from their care. Rather than attacking midwives, doctors need to work closely and respectfully with midwives. That means collaborating on good referral and transfer polices and practices for women who do choose birth centre care. It means receiving the woman and her midwife respectfully and sensitively when a transfer is necessary. Such genuine collaboration between midwives and doctors is the real key to ensuring we collectively provide the best possible care to women and their babies. she said. Kathleen Fahy is Professor of Midwifery at the University of Newcastle. Media contact: Professor Kathleen Fahy 0404 087 449 Dr Barbara Vernon, 0438 855 529 Executive Officer, Australian College of Midwives -- Feedback At the National Office of the Australian College of Midwives we are keen to provide accurate and current information regarding midwifery that is of interest to you. We welcome your feedback on this e-bulletin (please reply to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'Feedback' in the Subject line): I/we found the above information to be: 1. Extremely useful 2. Very useful 3. Useful 4. Fairly useful 5. Not useful at all More information If you would like to find out more about the Australian College of Midwives you can find out more about us at our website www.acmi.org.au http://www.acmi.org.au/ or by contacting us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or on 1300 360 480 Advocacy Bulletins are issued periodically when we think there is an item of
Re: [ozmidwifery] Clinical experiences
Dear Lindsay If it is because of questions regarding insurance I would seek clarification of the state of play from your university and the ACMI ! My understanding was that PI insurance coverage of Student miswives is provided by the university?? Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Birth Centre-MBH To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 7:16 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Clinical experiences I don't know all the details. it has come down from higher up (DON I think). Apparently we can have work experience students in the unit, as well as student nurses and medical students who are unpaid, but not student midwives. Supposedly it has got something to do withlitigation, insurance etc (???) We aren't happy about it as we feel that the birth centre has so much to offer in terms of students really seeing what normal birth is about. Like I said I don't know all the details but our NUM used to be a homebirth midwife as well as work here at the BC and I'm sure she is doing everything she can to change the situation. Cheers Michelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/24/05 09:43pm Curious as to reasons Michelle, can you explain? - Original Message - From: Michelle Windsor To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Clinical experiences Hi Lindsay, Sorry we can't offer you anything in Mackay at the birth centre. At present we are unable to have student midwivesin the BC or the maternity unit unless they are actually on staff and paid. Hope something works out for you somewhere else. Are there still some midwives doing homebirths in Cairns? Cheers MichelleLindsay Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HiFor my Diploma of midwifery I need to do some hours of 'alternativebirthing'. Originally I planned to go to Selangor in Nambour, but amworried about the cost and practicality of this. The other possibility isMareeba as it is closer... can anyone give me some input or ideas? I livein Townsville. Ideally I am looking to do 2 weeks in October as I haveleave booked.ThanksLindsay-- No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.10/73 - Release Date: 15/08/2005--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. Do you Yahoo!?Messenger 7.0: Make free PC-to-PC calls to your friends overseas. You could win a holiday to see them! ***This email, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost, if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/received in error.Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this email is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters.If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this email in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return email. You should also delete this email and destroy any hard copies produced.*** No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/81 - Release Date: 24/08/2005
Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding
Mary The accompanying headlines and article were blaming co-sleeping and warning everyone off it! The Deputy coroner of WA was reported as saying it has inspired here to look into recent SIDS case for evdience of overlaying which has been the cause of this! Despite the reporting the baby having fallen off the couch and not found for sometime till the mother woke and then put in his cot!! All a little susprect but the headlines and by lines warning of the dangers of Co-sleeping!! Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 7:38 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding Gloria, as indicated below, couch sleeping is very dangerous...and the woman was asleep on the couch. I heard her say that the baby was between the back of the couch and her.. also she must have turned over at some time as she had her back to the baby. She put the baby back in the cot and 'found it' as she was too frightened to say she had fallen asleep and suffocated it. It has been blamed on extreme fatigue of new mothers and co-sleeping. Big hoo-ha. MM Whenever one hears of a co sleeping death, the question needs to be asked Was the adult medicated or drunk? GL SIDS figures show that falling asleep (or sleeping intentionally as well probably) on a couch with a baby is far more dangerous than co-sleeping in bed. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/81 - Release Date: 24/08/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] BF video
Judy can you send it to me?Thank you [EMAIL PROTECTED] Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Judy Chapman To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 3:35 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] BF video I have just been senta hilarious video (2MB). Mum doing a yoga handstand, baby crawling and knows where the good stuff comes from... Need I say more. What a laugh. On a par with one of my bellydance mates who is still BF a 2 yr old. 10 min prior to performance it was a loud "Titta, Mum, Titta" and when side one was finished "Other side Mum, other side". God love 'em. Cheers Judy Do you Yahoo!?Messenger 7.0: Make free PC-to-PC calls to your friends overseas. You could win a holiday to see them! No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/81 - Release Date: 24/08/2005
Re: [ozmidwifery] BF video
Thank you [EMAIL PROTECTED] Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:07 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] BF video Judy I have the video and can send it, my line is quite fast. Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Chapman Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 1:42 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] BF video Any more takers for this one??? It will take a while for me on my slow line to upload. I will try to get on line about lunch time tomorrow to send to those who say. Cheers Judy --- Kate /or Nick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ditto please Kate [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] BF video Judy can you send it to me? Thank you [EMAIL PROTECTED] Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Judy Chapman To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 3:35 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] BF video I have just been sent a hilarious video (2MB). Mum doing a yoga handstand, baby crawling and knows where the good stuff comes from... Need I say more. What a laugh. On a par with one of my bellydance mates who is still BF a 2 yr old. 10 min prior to performance it was a loud Titta, Mum, Titta and when side one was finished Other side Mum, other side. God love 'em. Cheers Judy Do you Yahoo!? Messenger 7.0: Make free PC-to-PC calls to your friends overseas. You could win a holiday to see them! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/81 - Release Date: 24/08/2005 Do you Yahoo!? Make free PC-to-PC calls to your friends overseas. You could win a holiday to see them! http://au.docs.yahoo.com/promotions/messenger/ -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/81 - Release Date: 24/08/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Re: BF video
Thank you Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:14 PM Subject: BF video Enjoy J! Vedrana No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/81 - Release Date: 24/08/2005
Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding
Was co-sleeping and todays WA case of ?SIDS being blamed on it bu the mother and West report which also said the midwives did not stop me!! I am one midwife LC would still have no problems supporting a woman who wanted to bed share!! Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: JoFromOz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding Vedrana Valčić wrote: What was the discussion about? Vedrana Mostly about research saying which people are confronted/offended by BF in public. Mostly it found that men feel funny around a mate's wife BF, etc. Just brought up discussion about BF in public generally, and how/where/ and the age you should BF until, etc. I am always interested in hearing peoples' reasons for and against it. Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/80 - Release Date: 23/08/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Seeing newsOf Belmont?
Dear Carolyn Will you please let us know how things are going at Belmont Thank you Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Carolyn Hastie To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 2:08 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] noises woman make in labour Dear all, Many years ago, on night duty, a woman came in and said very seriously "I understand that it is very important to make sounds during labour. Is it ok to make a noise". I assured her it was a great idea. She proceeded to mooo, very loudly and long with each surge of her body. Each woman in the labour ward that night, wanted to know what was going on. I explained the woman was managing her labour using sound. Each woman did the same. The NICU staff, who were adjacent to the labour ward wanted to know what was going on. I explained to them. They thought we were mad. It wasthe noisiest and happiest night. All babies born easily and mooingly. The woman who started the night off was a vet who worked with large animals.I learnt so much from her. Another woman, another time sang through her surges. Her song was "try not to get worried, try not to get frightened, everything's all right, yes, everything's all right..." from Jesus Christ Superstar. Her baby was born into her arms as she was kneeling with one leg up, to the words"yes, everything's all right" and a cheer. The baby just looked at her with that amazing look that unmedicated newborns have. Birth Reborn - the video, by our hero Michel Odent has a great section on singing in pregnancy and the positive vibration it causes in the baby/mother. You all may be interested to know that we are setting up a lullaby group at Belmont to help pregnant women learn lullabies and as part of our activities aimed at increasing prenatal bonding and attachment. Belmont is going well, we have had the joy and privilege of supporting eleven women birth their babies, two of whom were born into their mothers arms through water in our fabulous baths since we opened on the 4th July 05. The numbers of women coming to have a look around and choosing to have their maternity care with us is increasing. midwifery hugs and happiness to all, The tide is turning Carolyn Hastie -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kirsten DobbsSent: Friday, 19 August 2005 8:07 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] noises woman make in labour This is for the student (?) asking about the noises woman make in labour etc In Ina May Gaskins, Ina Mays guide to childbirth she mentions it in there under the sphincter laws. She talks about Mooing, blowing raspberries and horse lips. Fascinating stuff and makes such sense. I will certainly be encouraging it. Heres to mooing in labour! Kirsten Darwin No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.12/77 - Release Date: 18/08/2005
[ozmidwifery] More about noises woman in labour
Dear Carolyn Sorry I did not read all of your reply The Lullaby group sounds wonderful and will encourage me again A group here in Perth had a Mamatotto (Mother Baby ) Choir and after one of the rallies to stop the bureacrats closingthe Community Midwifery Program wetalked with others about resurrecting it but finding some one to do it has been a problems Aseverybodiesefforts have been concentrated on saving thenre-enforcing CMP ready for the push for expansion maintaining CMP Whilst MCWA and CMP people are also trying to get the polies and community behind other opportunities for caseload in WA (Implementing NMAP in WA) Would you share with me more about this groupshow you get it together, when and what songs they are singing I will add such a choir to the events to celebrate 10 years of CMP next year Thank you Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Carolyn Hastie To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 2:08 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] noises woman make in labour Dear all, Many years ago, on night duty, a woman came in and said very seriously "I understand that it is very important to make sounds during labour. Is it ok to make a noise". I assured her it was a great idea. She proceeded to mooo, very loudly and long with each surge of her body. Each woman in the labour ward that night, wanted to know what was going on. I explained the woman was managing her labour using sound. Each woman did the same. The NICU staff, who were adjacent to the labour ward wanted to know what was going on. I explained to them. They thought we were mad. It wasthe noisiest and happiest night. All babies born easily and mooingly. The woman who started the night off was a vet who worked with large animals.I learnt so much from her. Another woman, another time sang through her surges. Her song was "try not to get worried, try not to get frightened, everything's all right, yes, everything's all right..." from Jesus Christ Superstar. Her baby was born into her arms as she was kneeling with one leg up, to the words"yes, everything's all right" and a cheer. The baby just looked at her with that amazing look that unmedicated newborns have. Birth Reborn - the video, by our hero Michel Odent has a great section on singing in pregnancy and the positive vibration it causes in the baby/mother. You all may be interested to know that we are setting up a lullaby group at Belmont to help pregnant women learn lullabies and as part of our activities aimed at increasing prenatal bonding and attachment. Belmont is going well, we have had the joy and privilege of supporting eleven women birth their babies, two of whom were born into their mothers arms through water in our fabulous baths since we opened on the 4th July 05. The numbers of women coming to have a look around and choosing to have their maternity care with us is increasing. midwifery hugs and happiness to all, The tide is turning Carolyn Hastie -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kirsten DobbsSent: Friday, 19 August 2005 8:07 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] noises woman make in labour This is for the student (?) asking about the noises woman make in labour etc In Ina May Gaskins, Ina Mays guide to childbirth she mentions it in there under the sphincter laws. She talks about Mooing, blowing raspberries and horse lips. Fascinating stuff and makes such sense. I will certainly be encouraging it. Heres to mooing in labour! Kirsten Darwin No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.12/77 - Release Date: 18/08/2005
Re: [ozmidwifery] Doctor dystocia
Dear Julie I think Doctor dystocia starts well before labour Michel Odent says the origin of the word Obstetrician is To stand in front and block, control Is the the same as Obstruct Doctor dystocia begins with a community, a woman givingcontrol of birth a normal process to a doctor the primary education of doctors is pathology So is it any wonder birth has become pathological and sadly the the apthology continues beyond birth .!! Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Julie Garratt To: Ozmidwifery Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:08 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Doctor dystocia Doctor dystocia... Definition, when the private obstetrician walks into the room, the baby can no longer fit through the pelvis! Well that's what I feel after spending a shift in one of Adelaide's "best' private hospitals over the weekend. Their stats for the last 12 mths confirmed this, around a 50 to 55%caesarean rate every month and shockingly 35 % of the women left had either ventouse or forceps! Can someone please tell me why this is hapening? Lots of epidurals? are the doctors in a hurry? No wonder ranzcog think childbirth is dangerous, in some places it really is! Time to do some media on the safety of obstetric care .?! Absolutely! I know that I'm preaching to the converted, buy I'm horrified that so many women think that this is the best care available. Julie, 3rd year BMid FUSA No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.10/73 - Release Date: 15/08/2005
[ozmidwifery] Fw: Research mailing from the Baby Friendly Initiative
Title: Research update from the UNICEF UK Baby Friendly Initiative - Original Message - From: Baby Friendly News To: Denise Hynd Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 7:00 PM Subject: Research mailing from the Baby Friendly Initiative 15 August 2005Research update: Duration of breastfeeding linked to reduced obesity riskA study among 2087 Australian children has concluded that babies breastfed for at least a year are leaner than those weaned earlier. Babies never breastfed were the most likely to be overweight. (1)A meta-analysis of the existing studies on duration of breastfeeding and risk of overweight strongly supports a dose-dependent association between longer duration of breastfeeding and decrease in risk of overweight. (2)Seventeen studies were included which reported the odds ratio and 95% confidence interval of overweight associated with breastfeeding and the duration of breastfeeding. The duration of breastfeeding was inversely associated with the risk of overweight (regression coefficient = 0.94, 95% confidence interval (CI): 0.89, 0.98). Categorical analysis confirmed this dose-response association (1 month of breastfeeding: odds ratio (OR) = 1.0, 95% CI: 0.65, 1.55; 1-3 months: OR = 0.81, 95% CI: 0.74, 0.88; 4-6 months: OR = 0.76, 95% CI: 0.67, 0.86; 7-9 months: OR = 0.67, 95% CI: 0.55, 0.82; 9 months: OR = 0.68, 95% CI: 0.50, 0.91). 1. Burke V et al (2005). Breastfeeding and Overweight: Longitudinal Analysis in an Australian Birth Cohort. J Ped 147: 56-61. [Abstract] 2. Harder T et al (2005). Duration of Breastfeeding and Risk of Overweight: A Meta-Analysis. Am. J. Epidemiol, available online in advance of publication. [Abstract] This is a research update from the UNICEF UK Baby Friendly Initiative. To unsubscribe or to change your subscription, click here. Subscribe Unsubscribe No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.9/72 - Release Date: 14/08/2005
Re: [ozmidwifery] sounds during labour/birth
Dear Andrea and Miriam I love your emails and am mooing myself happily Again it shows the wonderfull instintcs women have I have not been with women who have mooed but from my time with homebirth midwives and then clients and also in my singing for non singers course I learnt that deep noises rather than high pitch ones (screams0 are the ones to encourage as they send the energy down into your abdomen and then to the uterus and baby whereas the high pitched looses energy out of the body through the head Mooing is a low pitch noise!! Where I did my mid in the UK the maternity unit was out the back of the hospital and overlooked pastures with cows and I remember saying to the women we humans need to reconnenct with nature to nurture and now birth our young!! Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Tania Smallwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 3:03 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] sounds during labour/birth Sorry for the late input on this, have been cruising the South Pacific with my family, but am catching up on many emails now...don't feel too sorry for me! Ah Miriam, you have such a way with words! I too was beckoned as a student midwife only a few years ago to join in and feel the love with a woman who could only be described as mooing, and it was a very connecting experience for us both. It also meant that the supervising midwife, who was obviously not at all comfortable with birthing noises (funny that, how she was very comfortable with cleaning noises, people barging in to look at charts noises...) kept her distance and just let 'us'go for it! I myself moaned and groaned and then growled my way through 18 hours of labour first time around, and there are shadows of the school kids walking past the bathroom window on the video just before Sam is born! I still wonder why no-one knocked on the front door to see what was going on in there! A friend who has recently had her first homebirth after several hospital births has commented on how she thought she was a quiet birther, but then after birthing at home, realized that she did indeed feel restricted in the hospital, and that she now thinks that she was aware of feeling like her midwives would judge her if she was too vocal in the hospital. Interesting stuff. Tania x -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.8/71 - Release Date: 12/08/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Possible opportunity to talk to media
Sonja Do you know if any one is organising anything?? It would help if you can go with pregnant women babies and posters or some other scenes stealer like pregnant women in blow-up pools?? Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Sonja To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 8:37 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Possible opportunity to talk to media For your information. On the 21st August at 10am there will be the launch of the NSW Health Action Party in front of NSW Parliament House, Macquarie St. Media from television, radio and papers will be there. This may be an opportunity to speak to the media about the closure of smaller hospitals for births, and the dominance of the medical profession and their agenda to control birthing and women through reducing choice. Sonja No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.7/70 - Release Date: 11/08/2005
[ozmidwifery] Fw: ACM Advocacy Update 11 August 2005
Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 8:30 AM Subject: ACM Advocacy Update 11 August 2005 AUSTRALIAN COLLEGE OF MIDWIVES Advocacy Update 11 August 2005 Federal Health Minister requested to consider Medicare Numbers for Midwives Leader of the Australian Democrats, Senator Lyn Allison and Barb Vernon from the ACM met yesterday with Federal Minister for Health Tony Abbott. The meeting focused on three related issues: 1. the ongoing problem of a lack of professional indemnity for midwives, 2. the lack of access for midwives to public funding for their professional services (i.e. Medicare Provider Numbers), and 3. the ACM http://www.pc.gov.au/study/healthworkforce/subs/sub099.pdf 's submission to the Productivity Commission Inquiry into the Health Workforce. Senator Allison opened the meeting by outlining the negative effects on women of an ongoing lack of access to indemnity for midwives. There was discussion about whether the Medical Indemnity Act, which provides for subsidies to doctor's indemnity premiums and for the payment of 50% of successful claims above $2m, would apply to midwives if they were able to secure an indemnity policy. The Minister indicated the Act relates only to doctors. Mr Abbott reiterated his view that there is no role for the Commonwealth in assisting midwives to gain indemnity because 98% of midwives have indemnity through their employer, and because the Commonwealth is not a provider of insurance. Barb Vernon summarised the pressures facing rural maternity services. She flagged the benefits that would arise if the federal government supported midwives to provide private midwifery services to women, especially in communities that currently lack maternity care, by providing access to Medicare rebates for relevant services. The Minister identified that he was prepared to consider ways in which midwives services might be supported through midwives being employed by a GP or specialist obstetrician, whose insurance would cover the midwives work. This option was not advanced by either Senator Allison or Barb Vernon, but was one the Minister thought of in wanting to ensure any moves in this area fit within existing policy arrangements. Senator Allison proposed that it would be important in any new arrangement for midwives to have direct access to public funding and indemnity, and for women to have direct access to midwives. The Minister suggested that it might be possible to develop a model similar to that currently used for the Medicare allied health and dental care initiative. This initiative involves GPs referring a person to certain allied health professionals and, where certain conditions have been met, the allied health professional has a Medicare provider number. The Minister has committed to providing more information on this issue Barb Vernon proposed that the government should analyse existing Medicare payments for maternity services, which have been rising on a per birth basis over the past 10 years, and summarised evidence of over-servicing of healthy women by obstetricians. She also summarised the key argument in the ACM's submission to the Productivity commission that the skill mix in maternity services is currently unsustainable, and that we need to reserve the skills of obstetricians for the minority of women who need obstetric care and expand the role of midwives in providing primary care to the healthy majority of women. The Minister did not agree with this argument, and represented obstetricians as being the ideal provider of maternity care given their ability to provide care to both healthy women and those with complications. The Minister acknowledged at the end of the meeting that there is merit in the proposal that there should be a national maternity services policy, in light of the fact that through its Medicare contributions, the Commonwealth is a major player in the provision of maternity care across both the public and private sectors. He did not, however, commit to developing a policy. The College acknowledges with thanks the invitation from Senator Lyn Allison to accompany her to this meeting, and her ongoing interest in finding solutions to the problems affecting midwives and women. Dr Barb Vernon Executive Officer -- Feedback At the National Office of the Australian College of Midwives we are keen to provide accurate and current information regarding midwifery that is of interest to you. We welcome your feedback
[ozmidwifery] Responses to ranzcog AMA press statements re Stand-alone primary childbirth units
Please circulate Dear All Your assistance with an urgent and important task would be appreciated thank you ! Professor Kathleen Fahey of Newcastle Uni is negotiating an opinion piece for The Australian re the recent AMA and RANZCOG releases/statements ( If you haven't seen the AMA/RANZCOG stuff and want to, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] to request e-copies of them). To assist the publication of the opinion piece please write a letter to the editor in response to an article coming up in the Saturday Health section of this weekend's Australian by Adam Cresswell. Denise also has copies of the ACMI response to the RANZCOG press release Thank you NSW President Maternity Coalition Carol Chapman -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Calling WA Midwife Members Of Ozmidwifery
Dear WA Midiwves I hope to see many of you at the AGM of the WA branch of the College of midwives tomorro nite Agnes Walsh House King Edward Memorial Hospital Bagot Rd Subiaco at Sally Westbury and I plan to stand for the Executive. In the 10th birthday year (2006) of the Community Midwifery Program we (Sally and I) would like the WA branch of ACMI to fully utilisethe expereinces of thisuniquemidwifery program and otherconsumer groups to increase midwifery knowledge, networks and options of care across WA. If you can not come and have a point of view you wish expressed please email the branch ACMI (W.A.) [EMAIL PROTECTED], myself or Sally If you are not a member of ACMI please join and help advance midwiferyin WA. Thank you Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes
Re: [ozmidwifery] Shhhh dont tell
Dear Andrea I know the ACMI is not an industrial body but do they know or your situation?? Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Andrea Quanchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] S dont tell The problem is that I work at this establishment as a midwife. Not responding to the letter would only aggrevate the situation. Part of the problem in innaction. Not recording things as they happen means the issues dont get addressed and I as I said before this may seem easier at the time but eventually it comes back to get you. I have been out on this limb for a while so the fact that its bending in the wind doesnt mean I have to get off but it means I need to be ready to hang on for the ride. I'm being philosophical today. Keep up the good wishes though because it helps. I have sought advice from many sources before responding to this as there are many issues here. Although the letter is addressed to me there are implications for other people who are friends and colleagues whose support I will need in the future. I have cried many tears last week and now have drafted a reply which I will be reviewing in the next few days with a solicitor and the ANF as I am a member before sending it in. It runs to many pages and discusses the issues as I see them. When it is finished I may post it depending on what my advice is. You have to remember that things from this list have a way of making their way back to people you don't think they will Andrea On 07/08/2005, at 7:56 PM, B G wrote: Andrea, Why do you feel you have to answer anything? Whilst it's difficult why do we seem to fall into the same trap of having to respond to bullying and in this case sheer intimidation from management. It's like 'my guns bigger than yours' stuff. Bluff them out. May I suggest take the patients charter of rights with you as well as a witness/support person who can withdraw you from engaging when they really try to pressure you into 'I did wrong' stuff. Good luck Barb -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrea Quanchi Sent: Saturday, 6 August 2005 10:49 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] S dont tell Someone at the ICM conference gave a paper on all the stuff that goes on in midwifery that is not recorded accurately because it is easier to do it silently. her point was that until we come out and tackle it head on it will never change. The reality is that if everyone would do it it would be much easier but as a lone voice in a small place you will be hung out to dry or burnt at the stake. Even a small group can mange to manipulate a situation without detection but once it is detected watch many of them slink back into the shadows leaving one or two to face the music on their own. Still I'm up for the fight and have just spent all day drafting my reply to management without anger and I hope sounding professional and presenting the evidence supporting my practice and refuting the rubbish that they claim is best practice without any evidence to support it. They seem to think they can just say this is what we think should be and I will accept it. Slow learners obviously as I have been here for 16 years and haven't gone away yet. Andrea Quanchi On 06/08/2005, at 6:20 PM, Janet Fraser wrote: My understanding as a consumer is that hospitals will allow fathers to catch as long as all is going well but not on the record by your MIPP. Speaking as a consumer who had to transfer, part of how horrific it was (apart from general staff attitudes which created massive problems for us) was because my MW was ignored and treated with great disrespect. Considering I had been promised a seamless transfer by RWH, had a backup booking with the home birth liaison unit (which they later told me didn't actually exist in reality, just on paper, whatever that means!) and was a polite and co-operative consumer, it was stunningly atrocious. And all that despite how hard MIPPs try for it to be better. If you get staff who don't approve, you're stuffed. Trust me! Anyone who can make inroads into that system has my everlasting support and gratitude. J -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found
[ozmidwifery] Ask2ndOpinion
Dear all Would you please go to the second opinion web site and ask them to do a program looking at (continuous) midwifery care both private and governemnt funded ( eg MGPs at Ryde, Belmont or Adelaide or the WA community Midwifery program compared to medical care in pregnancy and birth http://www.abc.net.au/tv/secondopinion/ Thank you Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes
Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwives clinic
Dear Alan I beleive in not re-inventing the wheel therefore if I were you I would contact other midwifery led services and ask for copies of thier promotional literature they have circulated Also suggest you contact your local newspaper and ask them to do an article on your new service!! Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Ken WArd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 12:20 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Midwives clinic Stress that they will be getting to know the people who will be caring for them in labour. That this has been shown to result in shorter labours and less drug and epidural usage, and a significant reduction in operative births. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Alan Rooney Sent: Sunday, 7 August 2005 11:16 AM To: Ozmidwifery Subject: [ozmidwifery] Midwives clinic Advice needed I work in a small hospital in western NSW and we are about to start a Midwives clinic. The 2 obs in town are supporting us in this venture but I need some suggestions on how to inform the women of the town why they should choose the Midwives clinic and not visit the obs surgery, but I would like to do this without offending the obs. I would like to put this information in a pamphlet in all the Docs surgeries in the town. Any ideas would be appreciated. Also if anyone has research articles on this subject I would appreciate them. off list email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Alan. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Emailing: media_releases
Emailing: media_releases The College is responding on our behalf again. If each of us can encourage one more member to join, we will be helping to develop a stronger profession, more midwife voices by being united on all the issues that confront us right now. Shortcut to: http://www.acmi.org.au/text/media_releases/media_releases.html -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] sounds during labour/birth
What's even sadder is the lack of relflecting on the lack and acceptance of the lack of privacy for birthing women which i feel is a part of their concerns I do not remember the being a strong or recurrent concern for HB women ? Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 12:45 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] sounds during labour/birth one thing that is coming out of literature which asks women about their fears is that women significantly worry about how they will act in labour. A huge Italian study found that it is one of the highest rated fears women have. In my study it is certainly a reason that women use drugs or epidural, or find relief in that they stop behaving badly once the drugs shut them up/enable compliance. A huge part of womens reflections of labour iis embarresssment in how they behaved. I think this is important to address because the idea of being quiet, compliant, neat, tidy as in NOT messy, leaky noisy sweaty - really drives womens fears and the choices they then make for labour. It is a great shame that women have particular expectations of their behavior that is in no way reassuring, okay, normal, wonderful, strong and vital to birth. Belinda Luke M Priddis wrote: Hi all, I'm a 1st year student midwife in NSW, i have asked a few questions on here before! I'm doing a group presentation with a creative arts element on the sounds women make during labour and birth - eg, how it can be beneficial, how some women don't make any noise (like myself!), and what society/media find or portray as being acceptable. Has anyone come across any research on this, read any good articles? Thanks for any help you may have, I find this group a fantastic point of information and inspiration : ) Holly (mum of four) -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.6/59 - Release Date: 27/07/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: [MCMgtCte] National Caesraean Awareness Day
Dear Jo It is September like 9/11!! Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: jo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 7:20 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Fw: [MCMgtCte] National Caesraean Awareness Day Hi Denise, Is that 11th of Aug or 11th of Sept?? I'm discussing organizing something at Birth Central in Sydney with Renee Adair. Cheers Jo Hunter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Denise Hynd Sent: Tuesday, 2 August 2005 8:31 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fw: [MCMgtCte] National Caesraean Awareness Day Hi everyone, Just letting you all know that the National Caesarean Awareness Day 2005 is fast approaching and currently we have four states hosting an event. The theme for this year is VBAC and/or VBAC preparation. On Sunday the 11th celebrations will include: South Australia~ 10am until 4pm. Vaginal Birth After Caesarean Opportunities Guest speakers being an OB, an MGP midwife both discussing VBAC research and management and then an active birth workshop for both consumers and care providers conducted by Andrea Robertson focusing on maximising your vbac success. Extras will include statistical information; planning and preparation; emotional issues related to CS including post traumatic stress; healing after cs; and empowering birth after cs. We have birth photos, videos, stories, quotes and art on display. Patro of the day Hon Frances Bedford MP. Honorary guests include Hon Sandra Kanck MLC, Hon Kate Reynolds, Judi Brown CEO SA Nurses Board. Fullarton Park Centre. Registrations can be made with Frances Bedfords office 8263 2666 or contact Jo 8388 6918 Queensland~ 10am until 12pm. VBAC Birth Gently Powerfully. Guest speakers Dr Sarah Buckley, Lynne Staff, Melissa Bruijn, Caroline McCullogh. Morning tea supplied, market and information displays. Gold Coin donation. Griffith University Logan Campus Room 3.06, Hub Link Building. Contact: 07 3879 8378. Victoria~ 11am until 2pm. Birth Our Way- Strong and Powerful! Guest speakers include Sunderai Felich, Rhea Dempsey, Kerreen Reiger, Lyn Allison (also Offical Patron of the Day) and Sarah Eaton. Roofto Room Northcote Town Hall, 189High Street Northcote. Stories honouring birth experiences; VBAC how and why; Market stalls. Gold Coin donation. Contact:03 9499 8954 Western Australia~ A Pampering Day! Come and be pampered with massage, aromatheropy and the usch. Spoil yourself in your panning of a VBAC. Please contcat Rosemary from Birthrites -Healing After Caesarean www.birthrites.org It would be great opportunity to be involved and be supporting the consumer support groups who offer wonderful support to the women who suffer emotionally and physically from a cs experence or the process of planning a VBAC. Currently there is a firm commitment from channel 7 to cover the day. I think we should as the umbrella orgnisation that we are to support, be involved and be seen at these sorts of events. For more information give me a bell, Cheers Jo Bainbridge CD CARES SA SA Maternity Coalition Bloomin Good Birth -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.8/61 - Release Date: 8/1/2005 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/MCMgtCte/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://au.docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.6/59 - Release Date: 27/07/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.6/59 - Release Date: 27/07/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] 4D Ultrasound Studiosopenedin Melbourne and Sydney
Dear All Can some one please tell me the reference for WA research at King Edward Memorial hospital about the recommendation to have a medical indication for U/s in pregnancy because of the possibility of increasing the incidence of SFD with increase exposure to U/S??Or any other similar research on the risks of U/S in Pregnancy? Thank you Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes -- Forwarded Message From: Alain Herz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Early Image Pty Ltd. Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 11:59:11 +1000 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Press Release - 4D Ultrasound Studios opened in Melbourne and Sydney Dear Ms. Caines, As National President of The Maternity Coalition, you may be interested to know about us. Please find hereby our press release. In case you had more questions, feel free to contact us. Best regards Alain Herz Suite 5, 456 High Street Prahran, VIC 3181 T (03) 9529 7433 F (03) 9529 7435 -- End of Forwarded Message -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 7/25/2005 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 7/25/2005 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.6/59 - Release Date: 27/07/2005 No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.6/59 - Release Date: 27/07/2005
[ozmidwifery] Fw: Doula Training
Subject: Doula Training Hello my name is Natalie Bice and I was wondering if there was anywhere in Canberra you could train to become a doula. If you can pass on any information it would be greatly appreciated. My email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] I hope to hear from you soon. Thanks Natalie -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.6/59 - Release Date: 27/07/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] ] FW: Midwifery Led Birthing Unit Conference
PLEASE CIRCULATE On behalf of the organizing committee we would like to invite you to join us in Newcastle for a one day international meeting on midwifery-led birthing units. As the number of obstetricians and GPs continues to decline many communities are facing the loss of local obstetric services and looking at other models of maternity care. At the same time the increasing rates of intervention in labour have led many women to question whether conventional obstetrician based units should be the only option available to them to have their babies. These pressures have renewed interest in midwifery-led models of antenatal and intrapartum care. Local opinions about the benefits and dangers of midwifery-led birthing units can quickly become polarized and based on little hard evidence of either. The aims of this meeting are to; Provide an overview of the best available evidence on the safety, cost-effectiveness and acceptability of midwifery-led birthing units Share the experiences of the practical benefits and problems of setting up such services in Australasia and the UK Promote informed debate on the future direction for midwifery-led care Who should attend? Midwives, obstetricians, paediatricians, GPs, CMOs and hospital administrators who are interested in finding out more about or sharing their experiences of midwifery led birthing units. we have invited speakers from around the world with some of the greatest experience of midwifery-led care, from all the key stakeholders and from the full range of opinions on the subject. Most importantly we have tried to ensure that there will be plenty of time for questions and discussion. You can register for the meeting by email by the 26th August 2005. If you would like any further information about the meeting, please contact us by emailing [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whether you just want to be better informed or help shape the debate on this important area we hope you will be able to join us on September 2nd. Ian Symonds - Professor of Reproductive Medicine, University of Newcastle Andrew Bisits - Director of Obstetrics, John Hunter Hospital == Delleen Reynolds Secretary Division of Obstetrics Gynaecology John Hunter Hospital Locked Bag 1 Hunter Region Mail Centre NSW 2310 Ph (+61) 02 49 214727 Fax (+61) 02 49 214355 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] == Dr Andrew Bisits Director of Obstetrics Director of Delivery Suite Division of Obstetrics Gynaecology Conjoint Senior Lecturer The University of Newcastle John Hunter Hospital Locked Bag 1 Hunter Region Mail Centre NSW 2310 Ph (+61) 02 49 214727 Fax (+61) 02 49 214355 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/Maternitycoalitonmidwives/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://au.docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.6/59 - Release Date: 27/07/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Fw: [MCMgtCte] National Caesraean Awareness Day
Hi everyone, Just letting you all know that the National Caesarean Awareness Day 2005 is fast approaching and currently we have four states hosting an event. The theme for this year is VBAC and/or VBAC preparation. On Sunday the 11th celebrations will include: South Australia~ 10am until 4pm. Vaginal Birth After Caesarean Opportunities Guest speakers being an OB, an MGP midwife both discussing VBAC research and management and then an active birth workshop for both consumers and care providers conducted by Andrea Robertson focusing on maximising your vbac success. Extras will include statistical information; planning and preparation; emotional issues related to CS including post traumatic stress; healing after cs; and empowering birth after cs. We have birth photos, videos, stories, quotes and art on display. Patro of the day Hon Frances Bedford MP. Honorary guests include Hon Sandra Kanck MLC, Hon Kate Reynolds, Judi Brown CEO SA Nurses Board. Fullarton Park Centre. Registrations can be made with Frances Bedfords office 8263 2666 or contact Jo 8388 6918 Queensland~ 10am until 12pm. VBAC Birth Gently Powerfully. Guest speakers Dr Sarah Buckley, Lynne Staff, Melissa Bruijn, Caroline McCullogh. Morning tea supplied, market and information displays. Gold Coin donation. Griffith University Logan Campus Room 3.06, Hub Link Building. Contact: 07 3879 8378. Victoria~ 11am until 2pm. Birth Our Way- Strong and Powerful! Guest speakers include Sunderai Felich, Rhea Dempsey, Kerreen Reiger, Lyn Allison (also Offical Patron of the Day) and Sarah Eaton. Roofto Room Northcote Town Hall, 189High Street Northcote. Stories honouring birth experiences; VBAC how and why; Market stalls. Gold Coin donation. Contact:03 9499 8954 Western Australia~ A Pampering Day! Come and be pampered with massage, aromatheropy and the usch. Spoil yourself in your panning of a VBAC. Please contcat Rosemary from Birthrites -Healing After Caesarean www.birthrites.org It would be great opportunity to be involved and be supporting the consumer support groups who offer wonderful support to the women who suffer emotionally and physically from a cs experence or the process of planning a VBAC. Currently there is a firm commitment from channel 7 to cover the day. I think we should as the umbrella orgnisation that we are to support, be involved and be seen at these sorts of events. For more information give me a bell, Cheers Jo Bainbridge CD CARES SA SA Maternity Coalition Bloomin Good Birth -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.8/61 - Release Date: 8/1/2005 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/MCMgtCte/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://au.docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.6/59 - Release Date: 27/07/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] RE:RH - Anti D
Here is Sara's web site http://www.withwoman.co.uk/ look for the With Woman articles and there you will find Evidence based information about Anti D Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 2:42 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] RE:RH - Anti D Brenda wrote: so long as you have no objections to receiving a blood product, you are following the presently recommended protocol. Many women dont know that it is a blood product and one that often comes from Canada as we dont have enough from Australia. It is really big business. I attended the launch of the product here in W.A a few years ago and no expense was spared on a dinner for appropriate health professionals..GPs, Obs, Midwives , hospital administrators. There is nothing mandatory about the new routine and many women do not follow it for the above reasons. It really is a big experiment that women are expected to follow because it is seen to be best. We really dont know what will happen when all these women get potentially unnecessary blood products in pregnancy. Many of the babies will be Neg blood group. What goes into a pregnant womans body also goes into her babys. A good book to read is written by Sara Wickham Over the last 30 years, anti-D, or Rhogam, has become accepted as being routinely advisable for rhesus negative women. However, the question remains that - if women's bodies are designed to give birth without intervention for the majority of the time - why is this necessary? Sara Wickham explores the paradox between physiological birth and the routine 'need' for anti-D and highlights some interesting evidence which may explain this paradox. England2001 MI1883 Title: ANTI-D IN MIDWIFERY: PANACEA OR PARADOX? Book by Sara Wickham Price: AU$65.95 (convert currency) Maybe someone has this book? I know I read an article by Sara with much the same title, but I cant track it down. MM No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 25/07/2005
Re: [ozmidwifery] RH - Anti D
Thank you Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Michelle Windsor To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] RH - Anti D Having done a bit of research on it recently for our birth centre women it seems that only 1.5% of negative women will become isoimmunized during pregnancy. And that figure includes a large proportion who are mismanaged and not given Anti-D when potential sensitizing events occur eg. bleeding, ectopics, abdominal trauma. So the real figure would be much less. It seems total overkill to treat all women for a problem that 98.5% of them won't encounter. The other thing is that Anti-D does cross the placenta and there are no studies on the long term effects on the baby. In Ireland in the 80's (before complete blood screening) there were women who ended up with Hep C through Anti-D. It makes me wonder if in the future they will detect other blood borne diseases which were transmitted via Anti D. Just my thoughts Cheers MichelleTanya Fleming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't help but believe that the increased used of Anti-D during pregnancy is a money-making line for the pharmacuetical company's that produce it. I must admit...i haven't done a lot of research on it. What i would like to know, is...is the increased use of anti-d in pregnancy resulting in a significant decline in isoimmunisation? I suppose these sort of studies won't be around for a while, as this is reletively new practise. My personal beliefbeing a negative blood group and having had 2 babies beforeboth negative blood groupsanti-d was not given in pregnancy with these babies.I would probably choose not to have it with future pregancy's either unless positive baby after birth. tanya - Original Message - From: brendamanning To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] RE:RH - Anti D MM, When I explain the presently recommended protocol for current management, it doesn't mean that I support or endorse it ! Just providing the basic rationale. Inthe local small Mid unit herewe have a high proportion of Jehovahs Witnesses as clients. They are predominantly RH Neg (due to intermarriage in a small community presumably). So none of them have any form of Anti D, Rhogam or WinRho (do they still pay blood donors in the USA ?). NONE of them are isoimmunised, despite not adhering to any protocols, and interestingly no-one hereever gave them any grief about declining the Ig, so perhapsinstinctually none of us believe it's the 'right 'thing to do ! On the other hand there were thousands of RH Neg women from overseas in the RWH in the 80's 90's who lost baby after baby to hydrops other iso- immunisation related path. It was heart breaking for them. How were they different, was it just their previous birth exp in another country or some other aetiology we never understood ? - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 4:42 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] RE:RH - Anti D Brenda wrote: so long as you have no objections to receiving a blood product, you are following the presently recommended protocol. Many women dont know that it is a blood product and one that often comes from Canada as we dont have enough from Australia. It is really big business. I attended the launch of the product here in W.A a few years ago and no expense was spared on a dinner for appropriate health professionals..GPs, Obs, Midwives , hospital administrators. There is nothing mandatory about the new routine and many women do not follow it for the above reasons. It really is a big experiment that women are expected to follow because it is seen to be best. We really dont know what will happen when all these women get potentially unnecessary blood products in pregnancy. Many of the babies will be Neg blood group. What goes into a pregnant womans body also goes into her babys. A good book to read is written by Sara Wickham Over the las
Re: [ozmidwifery] High babies
Dear Megan If it were not such a sad situation you could laugh at the patronising ignorance or is that arrogance and obsurdity of this Obs! Sounds like the next step is C/s for babies who have the nerve to turn around completely as that also stretches the uterus! And of caourse he has not talk of the risks to mother and baby of elective C/s on an arbitary date!! Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Megan Woodman-Browning [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] High babies Dear Sally, I am an independant midwife in Melbourne. could you please contact me [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a friend of a friend who is in need of a professional further opinion in regards to a transverse baby and apparently a LUSCS is definitely needed (according to her OB) because the uterus has been stretched in an abnormal way and she is at risk of uterine rupture!! Thanks Megan -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: 22/07/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Future for caseload midwifery in Australia
Dear Helen and all Also be aware Kenneth Clark is the current (NZ) president ofRANZCOG and his term does not finish untill OCt 2006 when the national RANCOG conference will be in Perth!! Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham To: ozmidwifery Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 2:38 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Future for caseload midwifery in Australia I stumbled across this excellent article and wondered how it hadn't made it's way onto the list before now. I have included two different versions, one in PDF format and one in HTML http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/182_09_020505/wea10122_fm.pdf http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/182_09_020505/wea10122_fm.html Helen Cahill No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/55 - Release Date: 21/07/2005
Re: [ozmidwifery] RNChildbirthChoices Homebirth?
Dear Brenda
I heard the end of thursday and most of Tuesday and
neither mention Homebirth or CMP WA
I started to listen to the online but that is
anhour on dial up for me and you can not fast forward!!
Thank you
Denise Hynd
"Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the
sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone,
our bodies will be handled."
Linda Hes
- Original Message -
From:
brendamanning
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery]
RNChildbirthChoices Homebirth?
The series covered Mon to Thurs they covered
all topics, the focus was Continuity of Care.
From memory both the topics you mentioned were
covered on the Thursday transcript which is available on their
website.
http://abc.net.au/rn/talks/lm/index/lmtranscriptidx
Brenda M
- Original Message -
From:
Denise Hynd
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 8:38
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery]
RNChildbirthChoices Homebirth?
Was that today they spoke about
both??
Denise Hynd
"Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for
the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by
anyone, our bodies will be handled."
Linda Hes
- Original Message -
From:
brendamanning
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 6:26
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery]
RNChildbirthChoices Homebirth?
Denise,
They spoke about both.
The audio of the programme is available on Radio
National ( stream) for all 3 days if you missed it. Just need 'real time'
of 'media player' for your computer.
http://abc.net.au/rn/talks/lm/index/lmtranscriptidx
Informative but nothing you didn't know
already.
Brenda M.
- Original Message -
From:
Denise Hynd
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 6:32
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery]
RNChildbirthChoices Homebirth?
Those who were able to hear the full Life
Matters segments titled Childbirth choices on ABC Radio
National
Can you tell me if they ralked about
Homebirth with a midwife or mentioned the Community Midwifery Program in
Perth???
Denise Hynd
"Let us support one another, not just in
philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to
choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be
handled."
Linda Hes
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth in North Korea
Dear Andrea I really appreciated reading this articale and wish Jill and her colleagues every success. I cringe at my own naivity when I went to PNG and also the medical model which was being imposed there. Thankfully some women had not been turned into patients and the system was not so well equiped that I began to see that Active birth behaviours can undo the problems of western birthing practices. When some other things are soughted out in my life I would love to take up such an offer as the position with Concern. I encourage unattached midwives to take up such challenges to learn and share midwifery knowledge, I am sure we would all be richer for such endeavours. Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 1:49 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Birth in North Korea It is appropriate that with the ICM about to start, we explore what happens during birth in other countries. I've just posted a new article from Jill Moloney on our website, where she writes about what is happening in an aid project she is undertaking in DPNK. Jill asked me to also pass on this message to listers, once the article was in place: As a post-script to the story, Concern Worldwide would like to replicate the project in 2 Project-sponsored counties and are looking for a technical health adviser - a midwife with an interest in active birthing and supporting the normal physiology of labour. Would it be possible to send a message out on Ozmid? Anyone interested can get the application details on the Concern Worldwide website: www.concern.net. Save the Children also want to employ a midwife adviser on their project but don't yet have government approval (perhaps next year). To learn more about the project Jill is talking about click on this link: http://www.birthinternational.com/articles/jill01.html Warm regards, and see as many of you as possible at the ICM! Andrea - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/52 - Release Date: 19/07/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] RNChildbirthChoices Homebirth?
Those who were able to hear the full Life Matters segments titled Childbirth choices on ABC Radio National Can you tell me if they ralked about Homebirth with a midwife or mentioned the Community Midwifery Program in Perth??? Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes
Re: [ozmidwifery] RNChildbirthChoices Homebirth?
Was that today they spoke about both??
Denise Hynd
"Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the
sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone,
our bodies will be handled."
Linda Hes
- Original Message -
From:
brendamanning
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 6:26
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery]
RNChildbirthChoices Homebirth?
Denise,
They spoke about both.
The audio of the programme is available on Radio
National ( stream) for all 3 days if you missed it. Just need 'real time' of
'media player' for your computer.
http://abc.net.au/rn/talks/lm/index/lmtranscriptidx
Informative but nothing you didn't know
already.
Brenda M.
- Original Message -
From:
Denise Hynd
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ;
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 6:32
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery]
RNChildbirthChoices Homebirth?
Those who were able to hear the full Life
Matters segments titled Childbirth choices on ABC Radio
National
Can you tell me if they ralked about Homebirth
with a midwife or mentioned the Community Midwifery Program in
Perth???
Denise Hynd
"Let us support one another, not just in
philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose
exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be
handled."
Linda Hes
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[ozmidwifery] RN ChildbirthChoices Series
Dear All I hope some of you caught the 2 segments on Childbirth Choices today and yesterday See http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/lm/stories/s1417117.htm and http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/lm/stories/s1417117.htm The next one I think is Thursday at 1030 WA time on Radio National (810 in Perth) Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes
[ozmidwifery] BBC3DesperateMidwives
See http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/tv/desperate_midwives/index.shtml Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 6:42 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] ?National Education program I have just returned from the UK, where they are showing a program called Desperate Midwives every week on BBC3. This program follows a group of 6 midwives from Derby City Hospital who go about their daily tasks, either in the hospital, the home, community or birth centre. Due to my travels, I was never able to see it, as being on BBC 3 it required a set top box,and none of the hotels I was staying in had pay TV. However, it has been very well received and is very supportive of midwifery. The midwives were a bit upset at the title, which was chosen to cash in on the other Desperate series, and the BBC have explained that they see it as midwives doing a stirling job despite desperate shortages, and sometimes desperate conditions. Perhaps this would be a good starting point for talking to a TV network in Australia? It works in the UK, would be relatively cheap to produce, as no sets or scripts etc and fits the current fad for reality television. If they chose a group of midwives that worked in a hospital where various alternative models of care were provided, that would enable a wide variety of pregnancies to be followed. The UK series showed care of women with all sorts of pregnancies and births, even terminations, post natal issues, water births, home births, twins, premature babies, NICUs etc. I hope it is still on when I get there in October. Even recording it requires special equipment as it can't be saved onto regular tape. Just a thought. Andrea At 01:15 PM 15/07/2005, you wrote: Fantastic idea, a National Educational Television Programme. ABC perhaps? Who has a contact person there ? Individual, specialised service is a big issue right now for the 30 something's. IOL, Choices in Birthing etc are areas where women are treated enmasse, in 2005 women want to be treated as individuals. They will listen if it's explained to them that they are being treated for someone elses convenience, not necessarily for their own or their babys benefit. Brenda Brenda - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Robyn Thompson To: mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 11:19 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Channel 7 induction story... This doesn't sound like the Brian Pete I know!!! Someone needs to sit down and talk to him. If this is true then he needs face to face consultation with women and midwives, expressing their concern about unnecessary intervention; women and midwife friendly media needs to know and most of all women need to be educated and informed about the risks of induction of labour. Maybe we can get to a broad audience by setting up a National Educational Television Programme? Robyn -Original Message- From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tania Laurie Sent: Thursday, 14 July 2005 12:28 AM To: mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Channel 7 induction story... What the?? - Original Message - From: Tania Smallwood mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 6:21 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Channel 7 induction story... How misleading a promo can be... A news story saying that Brian Peat, chief Ob at the Women's and Children's hospital is considering recommending that all women be induced at 39 weeks, given the evidence that babies over 39 weeks gestation are at high risk of death and disability. Oh dear... Tania -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.auhttp://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.auhttp://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.auhttp://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found
Re: [ozmidwifery] just a thought
Dear Helen I was physically and verbally abused by staff in a NSW labour ward when a baby was not born on the next contraction after the head. It matter not what I said about there being no signs of shoulder dystocia The woman was also physically abused in that she was turned over and had a macRoberts manouvre done and the baby pulled out pink and Apgars 8,9. No staff supported me nor would that discuss any thing else as valid but it is a sign of Mild Shoulder Dystocia which is to be mark on the Birth Noticifation forms. It was the beginning of the end for me working hospital!! Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] just a thought This has reminded me of a very stressful incident I had a couple of years ago. I was relieving in a busy horrible birth suite and had a woman in 2nd stage with mec. liquor. The head was born and then nothing - no contractions for about 4 minutes. Finally a contraction came but the woman's pushing wasn't making any progress with getting the shoulders out. The senior midwife absolutely panicked me and said, hurry up and get this baby out - you only have 5 minutes. She took over and yelled at the woman to push as hard as she could anyway, despite the contraction petering out. She managed to get the baby out with these efforts and without waiting for another contraction.I was absolutely demoralised and lost a lot of confidence in my own ability after that. I hadn't felt like it was THAT long and can remember times in the past when it has taken a couple of contractions after the head was born for the shoulders to come out with no ill effects to the baby As long the foetal heart was OK - we waited for the next contraction. There had been no other signs of foetal distress i.e. heart beat was perfect throughout labour. (The baby required some oxygen but was quick to recover). I also felt as though I had failed the mother. We had built up a really good rapport throughout the labour which was an achievement as when I first arrived she seemed very anxious and defensive. By the time the baby was born she was a mental wreck. It might be worth researching this topic on the Cochrane Library website. Also looking forward to hearing stories from the rest of the list. Helen - Original Message - From: Andrea Quanchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 5:26 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] just a thought just recently I have been with several women at birth who have birthed the head and then the contractions have gone walk about. Now I am a very patient person at this time but have had one particular one where the baby was that lovely shade of navy that they go that even made my adrenalin levels rise (more than usual). Last night the baby maintained a good colour but after waiting at lesast five minutes for the next contraction it was not a very effective one and the baby decided to do a little dance and squirm but not move forward. The shoulders definately were not stuck I just dont think it got the anterior shoulder onto the pubic bone to act as a fulcrom to pivot on. I was a bit sceptical about how long it might be till the next contraction but with encourgaement Mum was able to move a bit and use enough effort to get her out. Of course she cried straight away but I feel like I have another grey hair. Question: how long is the longest people have had to wait for the next contraction at this stage? Andrea Q -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ NOD32 1.1170 (20050715) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.13/47 - Release Date: 12/07/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Article re Shellharbour
Babies 'at risk' without doctors Author: By JENNY DENNIS Date: 13/07/2005 Words: 326 Source: ILL Publication: Illawarra Mercury Section: News Page: 2 ILLAWARRA doctors fear babies will die if midwife-only births are allowed at Shellharbour Hospital. Clinicians fear their concerns could be ignored in the face of political pressure to have the Shellharbour birthing unit reopened. A recommendation to introduce midwife-only births at Shellharbour has followed a trial of the practice at Wollongong Hospital which was found to work well. A review of the trial has found the midwife-only model could be viable and safe for low-risk births at Shellharbour Hospital. This is despite safety concerns raised by doctors. I don't know of one doctor in the Illawarra who supports the move, an Illawarra doctor told the Mercury. He said the plan to reopen Shellharbour's birthing unit would place doctors at the hospital in an ethical dilemma. Ethical doctors can't refuse to help in an emergency and they're relying on the fact that people will come running if there's a problem. Reopening the unit would place more stress on the hospital's emergency department, which since January 1 has been operating without specialist emergency physicians. Illawarra Patient Safety Committee chair Paul Kovac said safety was about the ability to respond to rare, life-threatening situations that child birth inevitably threw up. Women undergoing midwife-only labour need to understand they are taking certain risks by choosing to have their babies at a facility where there's a lesser (medical) cover, Dr Kovac said. It's not just having a doctor on site, you need to have the right doctor. A spokesman for NSW Health Minister Morris Iemma said the safety of mothers and babies was paramount in consideration of maternity services and a midwifery-led model would only proceed at Shellharbour if the steering committee believed it could do so safely. A Wollongong ambulance officer said the report's recommendation that an ambulance be available for immediate transfers between Shellharbour and Wollongong was unrealistic. His best estimate of transfer time between the two hospitals was one hour. Hi All, As you know, a Midwifery Group Practice has been operating for the last 12 months at Wollongong Hospital. This was a pilot which was meant to be moved to Shellharbour Hospital after a twelve month trial. Above is an article published in today's edition of the Illawarra Mercury. The article is titled Babies 'at risk' Without Doctors It would be great if the Mercury received a few letters pointing out the safety (superiority?) of midwifery-led care for low-risk women! Letters to the editor can be sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rachele ill_mercury.gif Description: GIF image
Re: [ozmidwifery] Labour coaching techniques
Dear Helen Please do not take what I say personally it is a reflection of differences of understanding and expereince. Forwhen youknow the woman and she you as her midwife then all of this can be so much easier, you will have talked antenatally about active birth techniques, the hormones of labour and how to turn them on etc . Then she will understand why you may not talk her through contractions, because the drivers of effective labour are midbrain in origin and require the thinking brain (cerebrum) to shut down not be stimulated by noise and other stimuli contrary to the TV versions of birth.. TV, bright lights etcin labour rooms show howhospitals do not understand this nor do they teach this ormany other ways to facilitate active labour and birth compare this with the Salle du Savage women designed at Pithviers!! (try Andrea's book Midwife Compannion, or Birth from within and similar tomes for more of this) You need todevelop a relationship of trust so she can let go !! This is often done more with your nonverbal than verbal communication. Midwives need to help each labouring womanfind what she needs tolet go, work withherbaby to give birth. Therefore moreimportantly midwivesneed tostop the environment impingingon the labouring woman in an emotional as well as a physical way I feel we need to be like elephant and Dolphin midwives and protectively surround the labouring woman so she can give birth To women I do not know I say things like your body was made to carry and birth this baby but then I willalter any patter dependant on the woman's or her partner's responses. Now I have a few wrinkles I find the motherly take charge behaviour of worried support people can be accepted more easily. Each mother and baby are individuals and the more werespond to and support them as such the more we find every labour is unique and it si this we must respond to talking from the bottom of our wombs as Leive says!! Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham To: ozmidwifery Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 3:18 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Labour coaching techniques Dear ozmidder midwives and doulas, I am interested in hearing from you about your labour coaching techniques. I am specifically interested in your words or phrases of encouragement to help a woman through contractions and provide a positive influence on the labour/birth outcome. This mind sound funny but I sometimes feel I need inspiration as to what to say without being corny and I feel that the right words can really help in the right situation. Of course I have my own ideas and techniques but as I am just about to return to midwifery after a break away,I would appreciate your thoughts. Looking forward to hearing from you all. Helen Cahill No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.13/47 - Release Date: 12/07/2005
Re: [ozmidwifery] Caseload at ICM
Dear Barb Thank you for your reply My apologies - presenting papers is better than not ! I and probably others in the west and elsewhere can not come to Brisbane or to Sydney so any chance of a tour as I said to present to the health bureaucrats?? Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Dr Barbara Vernon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 1:03 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Caseload at ICM Hi Denise, Yes, there will be a number of experts in caseload midwifery at the ICM Congres in Brisbane many of whom are presenting papers. That's why it's a good idea to come to the Congress if you can! Registrations are still open - more than 1,900 midwives will be there! To register just visit: http://www.midwives2005.com/registration.shtml I understand that the UTS is also organizing a seminar with some of these people to be held next week in Sydney for those of you who can make it - for enquiries about this call the UTS Centre for Family Health and Midwifery. Kind regards, Barb. Dr Barbara Vernon Executive Officer Australian College of Midwives Ph +61 2 6230 7333 Mob 0438 855 529 'Midwifery: Pathways to Healthy Nations' 27th Congress of the International Confederation of Midwives Brisbane Convention Centre, 24-28 July 2005 www.midwives2005.com/index.shtml _ From: Stringybarkers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 2:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fwd: [ozmidwifery] Caseload at ICM Begin forwarded message: From: Denise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 13 July 2005 12:55:51 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] Caseload at ICM Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Dear All I understand researchers and managers of caseload like Jane Sandall or Chris McCourt may be at the ICM conference in Brisbane!! Though not as key note speakers as they should be!! What a shame that we in Australia are not making the most of these visits? Or is possible that ACMI will arrange for these experts to do tours of Australian maternity units and health department buracracies ? Where they can explain the benefits of caseload midwifery options to those who influence policy??? . Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.13/47 - Release Date: 12/07/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Caseload at ICM
Dear All I understand researchers and managers ofcaseload like Jane Sandall or Chris McCourt may be at the ICM conference in Brisbane!!Though not as key note speakers as they should be!! What a shame that we in Australia are not making the most of these visits?Or is possiblethat ACMI will arrange for these experts to do tours of Australian maternity units and health department buracracies ?Where they can explain the benefits of caseload midwifery options to those who influence policy???. Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes
