RE: [ozmidwifery] assistance required.
Hi mARY Sorry - can't help you with the location of your folder. Perhaps try deleted items or the desktop??? You can do a search to find folders, documents etc. Perhaps that may be the best place to start. I have not received any mail either for a few days. The last mail I received was on Monday.and I was going to send something just to see if it turned up. Perhaps it's been down again? Cheers Ramona. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy Sent: Thursday, 1 February 2007 6:57 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] assistance required. My ozmid email folder seems to have disappeared. I don't know what key I accidently pressed to make this happen or how to retrieve or find the folder. Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks, MM
RE: [ozmidwifery] re co-sleeping
Hi all! Just a word on the co-sleeping issue. Was told not to when I had my first child who is now 30 but tiredness won me over in the first couple of weeks so into the bed she came. Same thing happened with second child 12 months later. On and off they co-slept and, even now, when visiting and staying over (although they only live 5 minutes away), they jump at the chance to sleep in bed with Mum when Dad is away working. My grandson always sleeps with me when he stays as does my almost 4 year old grand daughter. My youngest daughter also co-sleeps with her children. Never any problems other than the occasional falling out of bed but the mattress on the floor does the trick there! Cheers Ramona -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cheryl LHK Sent: Monday, 22 January 2007 5:55 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] re co-sleeping Yes! So true. As a permanent P/T night-duty person, I hear the don't want to get him/her into a bad habit far too often. I find by night 2/3 they are so tired, they think that co-sleeping is a possibility and I encourage them fully! Mine still manage to find their way into our bed, and the youngest little possum is 4!! But at least they don't wander in until 4-5am now. Cheryl From: Ken Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] re co-sleeping Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:27:17 +1100 It's not necessarily the midwives preventing co-sleeping. I often hear 'the baby's been awake all night. Would go to sleep and wake up as soon as I put him down.' When suggestions are made to co-sleep, they don't want to start bad habits. a lot of women are influenced by their mothers, partners etc, who don't approve of co-sleeping., thank God the influence on breast feeding isn't quite as strong as it used to be. It's strange, these little ones are expected to sleep on a hard, cold surface after been snuggled up listening to mum for months. If I remember right a co-sleeping policy was short and sweet. Mum had to be sedative free, the bedside up and bed as low as possible. Ken Maureen Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] winmail.dat _ Advertisement: Fresh jobs daily. Stop waiting for the newspaper. Search Now! www.seek.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau_t =757263760_r=Hotmail_EndText_Dec06_m=EXT -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Transverse baby
Hi to all, I would just like to say thanks for all the responses I received to me previous questions on Strep B. I now have another issue I would appreciate any advise on. I am coming up to 35 weeks pregnant and the baby is still lying transverse. Should I be worried about this? It is my second baby. I have started hypnobirthing and I am aware this may help and will have a session of acupuncture next week but in the experience of a midwife is there still plenty of time for the baby to move down? At my last appointment with the midwives a week ago they said I still had plenty of room. Is it normal for babies to make this sudden turn in the last coupled of weeks? Kind Regards, Jassy
RE: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations?
I agree with this in a general sense, however I don't think we can put all ob's in the same basket. I am having my baby at Selangor in February which is a private hospital but run sort of like a birth centre. There is a midwife clinic but to have access to this service you must be under the care of an OB. I at first was not so sure about this as I did want a homebirth with NO MEN bar my husband involved but this service is not available to me where I live. After my first visit I had changed my mind. I no longer have any fears about not being in control of my birth as my MALE OB fully supports my choice to have a water birth in fact he encourages it, (yes still available here)and to be in total control of my natural birth. I was even told by one of the midwife's that he will just stand aside during the birth, does not intervene unless absolutely necessary and leaves the midwife's to perform there duties. He is the most caring, friendly, gentle man who is open to alternatives and has an understanding of women that is rarely seen in Male OBS. He has respected all of my decisions to reject blood tests, strep B testing, internal exams during labour, hep B shots for baby, Vit K for baby and heel prick test - he didn't even bat an eyelid when I said I want none of this. I am very lucky to have had his care and it would be nice if more men in these positions were to take on this kind of thinking. He trusts us as women and believes that it is our choice and as long as we are informed about the choices we make he will fully support you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Rachael Austin Sent: Monday, 8 January 2007 9:19 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations? I get so fustrated when I know people who choose subordinate (in my opinion) levels of care. What I mean is, healthy women who choose care under an obstetrician. They get roped into the high tech repeated u/s, monitoring, for the just in case ignorant way of thinking. They end up having highly intervened vaginal births (but they see as 'natural birth' because it is vaginal) or worse a necessary unnecessary cs. Does this make sense? I have been up most of the night stewing over this, because a 4 of my rellies have recently choosen this type of care to end up with the same results... and they think I'm weird because I choose to birth at home! OK so I'm a midwife (new at the game, but still), so maybe the extra knowledge helped me to make 'good' or appropriate choices for me, but what stops women from investigating choices for themselves? Why do they so blindly give themselves to medical men in every sense of the word? Do women really believe that they don't have the power to birth themselves and that they really need help? Do they really think nature got it that wrong? AHH!! How do you get 'over it'? How do you talk with these women about birth in social conversatin without lecturing them? Hope this makes sense.. i'm tired! -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Strep B
Hi all, I know info on this topic has been posted before but I deleted it all - silly me as I now wish to ask some questions which have probably already been covered. I am 34 weeks pregnant and was not going to have the STREP B test but I have done some further research and it suggests that all women SHOULD be tested but antibiotics used during labour for a positive result may not be the way to go. To all the midwife's on this forum: is it necessary for me to have this test? Is it in my and my babies best interest to do this? If I tested positive (which I didn't with my first child, in fact I don't even remember having the test) is the intravenous antibiotic really necessary? I do not want this as I plan to have a water birth and I am also highly allergic to penicillan and other forms of backup antibiotics. I will raise this at my midwife appointment I am due for this week I would just like some opinions. Kind Regards Jassy
RE: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception
My Mum was fully breastfeeding me and fell pregnant with my sister when I was 3 months old. Her periods had also not started yet. I don't know how they can say it is 98% effective. I have heard of so many women who have fallen into this trap. I bleive if women do not want to fall pregnant again so soon other precautions should be taken - because you just never know. Jassy _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kylie Carberry Sent: Thursday, 21 December 2006 9:10 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception I am doing a story on contraception for a pareting magazine. I want to state that the WHO confirmed breastfeeding as 98 per cent effective means of birth control for the first six months provided the baby was fully breasfed and periods have not commenced. So as far as the 'fully' part goes, how is that interpreted. My friend thought she was fully breastfeeding, however, her twin boys were sleeping 8 hours at night and thus she became pregnant when they were four months old. So does fully mean no less than four-hourly feeds. Or should women just take added precautions if they are not up for any little surprises. thanks in advance Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] midwife wanted
Hi Mary I know of about 7 midwives in that area i.e. Gympie and also Sunshine Coast. Do you want me to email you off list with their contact details? Ramona Nunyara Healing Bargara Beach Qld _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy Sent: Friday, 8 December 2006 8:17 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] midwife wanted Are there any independent practicing midwives in the Sunshine Coast ..Noosa? MM
RE: [ozmidwifery] homebirth Qld
Hi Kristin I'm not sure about costs of Qld homebirths. Midwife details as follows: Carla Blonde Sunshine Coast Ph 54854397 Claire Hall Gympie Ph 54837131 or 0403/7005369 Danielle Bishoff Sunshine Coast Ph 0448/310789 Jenny Blyth Gympie Ph 54857184 or 0402/004620 Julie Williams Ph 54481761 or 0417/640869 Yolande Williams Morayfield (near Caboolture) Ph 54978402 Vicki Chan Landsborough Ph 54948554 Hope this helps Cheers Ramona Nunyara _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kristin Beckedahl Sent: Wednesday, 22 November 2006 2:44 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] homebirth Qld I did post this already - but not sure where it ended up..? What is the cost of a homebirth in Qld (south end)..? Can anyone give me some names of independent midwives also for this area? Kristin :-) _ New Release XBOX 360 Games staring from $39... Find out now! http://g.msn.com/8HMBENAU/2755??PS=47575 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Intradermal sacral sterile water injections
Hi all! I was very interested to read about these sterile water injections. They sound a great alternative to other types of pain relief but I was wondering just how the sterile water works? Cheers Ramona Nunyara -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sue Cookson Sent: Friday, 24 November 2006 5:54 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Intradermal sacral sterile water injections Thanks Pauline, it would be great to receive the research on intradermal water injections, Sue Here in Colac we have a copy of the research, and findings, that was done to support the sterile h2o injections, if that would be of any help. Pauline - Original Message - From: Sue Cookson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Intradermal sacral sterile water injections Hi Carolyn, I presented the intradermal protocol and GBS protocol to the CNC at Lismore the other day. She asked me if you could provide evidence to support the intradermal injections, but was interested in the concept. Anything would be great - I haven't done looking myself as I'm just completing my degree. Did my last official birth last night - now for the portfolio and remaining assignments. Thanks, Sue Hello Andrea, thanks for your kind words. As for the sacral water injections, we have only used them for late first stage and second stage. So repeats haven't been an issue for us. Yes, it does sting, but all the women, bar one, found the injections wonderful. One of the women I saw for her three week postnatal visit and she voluntarily told me all about the injections with great wonder. I didn't know she had them, and when I asked her all about her experience with our service and the birth of her baby etc, she waxed lyrical about the change in sensation with the injections. Very interesting. And yes, because it stings so much, two midwives give the injection at the same time, the women would not let you do it again immediately after, they swat your hands away - or try to. :-) I appreciate the logic with giving them both at the same time. The midwives at JHH have been using them in the birth centre as well. They reckon the injections are great too. I haven't heard any feedback about the refusal for long labours, I'll check that out and get back to you. I'll send you the protocol from work, it's on my work computer, warmly, Carolyn - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 7:06 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Intradermal sacral sterile water injections Hi Carolyn, It is so good to hear that Belmont is doing well - what a great standard bearer for midwifery and women! Can I ask you something about the sterile water injections? When I was in the Colac area earlier this year doing a workshop, I was told that although this method was brilliant at relieving the pain, especially with posterior labours, women were often reluctant to have the injections a second time, when the effects of the first round had worn off (it was suggested the effect would last for 2 -3 hours). I found this interesting, and speculated that the pain of the injections must have been bad, for women to think that a short lived sting would be worse than long painful contractions that often come with an OP labour. What has been your experience with doing follow up injections, especially during a long labour? I was also told that it was a good idea to have two midwives do the injections simultaneously - that way the pain was shorter (but presumably more intense with two injections being done at the same time). Can you shed any light on this aspect as well? Many thanks, Andrea PS I would love a copy of your protocol as well, if you email it me. At 02:00 AM 18/11/2006, you wrote: Whilst I'm on the soapbox, I was thinking that you may be interested in the intradermal water injections and their efficacy. We had Janice Deocampo come to Belmont and give a seminar on the use of this technique for women with excruciating back pain. Midwives came from Gosford, Maitland, John Hunter and Taree. Janice presented her information and we all practised on each other (OUCH). It feels like a wasp sting. One of the midwives had back pain which was cured for six hours with the injection she received that day! It took us MONTHS to get the procedure through clinical governance. However, it is through. We have used the injections for about eight women since only one was not completely successful. We have even found them fantastic for late first stage when the backache has stopped the woman from progessing and even second stage when women wouldn't push because the backache was too bad. After
RE: [ozmidwifery] Kaede` Anne
Congratulations and well done Rachael! Ramona _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Rachael Austin Sent: Thursday, 23 November 2006 2:42 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] Kaede` Anne Hi! I birthed Kaede` Anne yesterday morning at home in water after a gentle night of labour. Born at 38 weeks, she weighed 6 pound 14oz. She is beautiful and adorned by her big brother Rhett. Rhett is going to give her some breastfeeding lessons this PM because she is having trouble getting it right! :) Love, Rachaelxx _ Dan Rachael Austin Namcala 418 Austin's Road Theodore, QLD, 4719 HPh: (07) 49931213 Dan's Mob: 0409896285 Rachael's Mob: 0419750780 Fax: (07) 49931341
[ozmidwifery] JAUNDICE BREASTFEEDING
Hi all! A query - I saw a client today whose little boy is 4 months old. The birth was at 36weeks, very quick labour (3 hours - first baby). The little fellow had jaundice but was otherwise well. Went under the lights a couple of times and then came home but had appointments to go back and see the hospital paediatrician. When I saw the Mum prenatally, she was very very keen to breastfeed, had even been to ABA meetings whilst pregnant. However, she informed me today that she had to give up feeding. Upon being asked why, the answer was that she was so stressed that her milk dried up. The reason for the stress was that the jaundice kept recurring and her paediatrician told her that her milk was not flushing it out of the baby's system. Bub had to return to hospital twice to go under the lights again and the paediatrician also said that Mum had to supplement with artificial formula because baby was not getting enough to flush out. Hence the stress. She saw a lactation consultant who suggested that she go to a GP to get a tablet to increase her supply but she did not want to go that way. Don't know why she didn't go back to ABA but think she was over it by then. (Also lost confidence in her ability to feed I think because of paediatrician's comments) Anyway, can any of you enlighten me re the milk flushing the jaundice out of the system please? Cheers Ramona Lane Herbalist/Naturopath
RE: [ozmidwifery] vulva varocise veins
Kristin, There is a tissue salt available called Calc fluor. I dont know if you are familiar with them but you can buy them at health food stores or some pharmacies may have them in the vitamin section. The brand is Martin Pleasance and they come in a bottle of 100 tablets and sell for around $8 or $9. The dose is on the side of the bottle. They are a homoeopathic formulation. Calc fluor is used for any sort of varicose veins (including haemorrhoids) eases pain and bleeding (if any). You just chew the tablets dont need to be taken with water and they taste OK. OK also to use while breastfeeding. Hope this helps. Cheers, Ramona Lane Herbalist Naturopath Nunyara Bargara Beach Qld. From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Kristin Beckedahl Sent: Thursday, 2 November 2006 1:07 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] vulva varocise veins Thanks Janet - I shall pass those on. :-) Kristin From: Janet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] vulva varocise veins Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 13:12:01 +1100 http://www.gentlebirth.org/Midwife/miscdisc.html#Vulvar - Original Message - From: Kristin Beckedahl To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 12:30 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] vulva varocise veins Can anyone offer another remedy to help ease these besides external witch hazel? Thanks, Kristin 110,000+ cars with the click of a mouse at carsales.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. Its simple! Sell your car for just $20 at carsales.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] hanging baby scales
Hi Sonja, My husband owns Wedderburn scales in Bundaberg. He supplies baby scales to the hospitals and chemists up here. Would you like me to get you a price? He would just send them to you. It is not a problem, he can usually have them sent within the week. You would pay be cheque on invoice or direct deposit into the bank. Jassy From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Christine Holliday Sent: Monday, 30 October 2006 8:14 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] hanging baby scales A fishing shop could be a good start as they have some good scales and are much cheaper than the medical products scales; you may need to make a sling to go with them. Christine -Original Message- From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au]On Behalf Of Sonja Barry Sent: 30 October 2006 07:00 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] hanging baby scales Wondering if anyone knows where I would be able to purchase hanging baby scales. Thanks Sonja
RE: [ozmidwifery] hanging baby scales
Hi Sonja, Have you managed to find any baby scales as yet? My husband owns Wedderburn scales in Bundaberg and I am sure he could organise something for you. Would you like me to get you a price? He would just send them to you if they were suitable. You could pay by chq or bank into his account no need to use credit card on the net. He supplies all baby scales for hospitals up here so it wouldnt be a problem. Jassy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sonja Barry Sent: Monday, 30 October 2006 6:30 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] hanging baby scales Wondering if anyone knows where I would be able to purchase hanging baby scales. Thanks Sonja
RE: [ozmidwifery] blood gasses and other policies
Hi Barb I had a client just last week for a pregnancy massage. She is 31 weeks and this is her second child. She breasted her first bub until she was about 18 months old. However, she is TERRIFIED not about the birth but about her new baby being given formula whilst it is in hospital. Apparently, this occurred with her first baby but without her knowledge and consent. At the time, she was absolutely furious that this had occurred because she had let everyone know how very keen she was to breastfeed. When she asked why this happened, she was given a variety of different reasons ranging from baby was hungry to a mere shrug of the shoulders. She spoke to her obs about it and he did not seem to be concerned about all the fuss. She couldnt understand why no-one seemed to think it was an issue because it was for her. In fact, she got really angry while talking about it during the massage and then she started crying still upset after almost 3 years!!! Ramona Lane Nunyara Healing From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Barbara Glare Chris Bright Sent: Sunday, 15 October 2006 9:43 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] blood gasses and other policies HI, Interesting conversation about blood gasses.I frequently get reports from mothers and health professionals that they gave birth in a Baby friendly hospital, or a hospital with clear policies on breastfeeding, but that babies are given infant formula often without their parents consent, or not with their parents INFORMED consent. This always intrigues me greatly. There seem to be no repercussions for staff who go against breastfeeding policies. Reasons I have heard for staff giving babies formula when I've asked midwives why they gave a baby formula include the other midwife told me the baby was hungry, we didn't want to disturb the mother etc. Mothers tell me they were told that staff didn't want to wake/disturb the mother - they knew she was tired. Told she had no milk. Told the baby was hungry and needed something.And, my personal favourite, it's OK, at this hospital we give babies the formula that is closest to human milk Rarely are they told WHY the midwife thinks these things.These are babieswho are well, don't even start me on babies in the nursery where parent's rights seem to go right out the window.Some parents I have spoken to are very upset and angry. I wonder why breastfeeding policy is in a *different* category in most hospitals? Do others find this? Barb
RE: [ozmidwifery] term breech trial - ECV option
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: term breech trial Hi all! Most of you probably already know that acupuncture can help turn a breech baby. I know of some mothers who have used Moxa (a Chinese herb Mugwort in a rolled form which is lit and applied to a specific acupuncture point Bladder 67) successfully to turn a breech bub and for others it has not worked. However, I would recommend that professional acupuncture treatment be sought as acupuncturists use Moxa as well. I have recently read an article in the Journal of Complementary Medicine (which is a journal for doctors and pharmacists who are trying to get in on natural therapies) which covered a scientific trial in the use of acupuncture to turn breech babies. Of the group who had acupuncture treatment, most of those babies turned but out of the group who received no treatment, only a couple of the bubs turned. The outcome of the trial was that acupuncture was successful with breech presentations. I am madly trying to find which Journal this article was in but I have safely put it away (which means that I probably wont ever be able to find it again!) I am a Bowen therapist as well and have used bowen a couple of times with breech and the bubs have turned. I think trying acupuncture and/or Bowen though is preferable to doing nothing and ending up with a C/S. Cheers, Ramona Lane Nunyara, Bargara Beach, Qld. From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Honey Acharya Sent: Wednesday, 11 October 2006 2:18 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] term breech trial - ECV option Here in Townsville Qld some of the Ob's in the Townsville Hospital perform ECV's. David Watson is particulary successful at this and I have seen him perform a few and he seems to have the right touch and technique, the women who had other Ob's try on them firstand then himsaid he was much more gentle and it looked that way too. He has the woman lie on her side slightly and rests his knee behind their back, and using ultrasound on and off to monitor baby's position, then pushes the baby around getting them to either do a forward somersault or backward one. The private Ob's here refuse to do it all together. I noticed they are also performing the EECV trial (EarlyECV) around 33-34 weeks? One of the women I was with was being offerred this optionbut declined preferring to give her baby further time to turn and then at 37-38 weeks when baby was still in the breech position had a successful ECV and went on to have a straightforward normal vaginal birth at 41 weeks. Honey - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 12:52 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] term breech trial - ECV option I think it would be good to get a list of providers in each state who are performing External Cephalic Version ECV. I know, having just been to Box Hill Maternity for an inservice, they have one or two progressive obstetricians who have a regularECV clinic. They have theatre on standby if needed. I am sure plenty of women would be prepared to travel far and wide if they knew this option existed and could possibly avoid the need for LUSCS. I know this is not optimal, but at least some women may avoid LUSCS if ECV is offered. I think it is performed at 37 weeks to be the most successful. I would also be interested in other units offering this service to tell the women in my care if anyone knows of them. Thanks Helen Cahill - Original Message - From: Justine Caines To: OzMid List Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: term breech trial Hi Chris I am a rural consumer, with knowledge of practices pretty much across the country. The term breech trial has done us in. I agree the paper turning it on its head (no pun intended!) is basically being ignored. The only vaginal breech I hear of or see in the stats, (other than those at JHH with Andrew Bisits) in the system are the undiagnosed ones and if a woman is very lucky the 2nd twin who is dragged out by forceps after she has consented to an epidural (often the only way she will be allowed to have twins vaginally). So what to do? Midwives: Raise this in clinical forums and instead of presenting the evidence for vaginal breech ask Drs what their evidence is for routine c/s. If you come across women with a breech on board provide them with all the info Consumers: Put it out there that breech does not necessarily equal c/s and continue to mount the arguments of the furphy of risk (for much of obstetrics). Support women we meet to demand choice. JC Justine Caines National Policy Co-ordinator Maternity Coalition Inc PO Box 625 SCONE NSW 2329 Ph: (02) 65453612 Fax: (02)65482902
RE: [ozmidwifery] Reference wanted please re Raspberry Leaf Tea
Hi Carolyn! Ramona Lane from Bargara, Queensland here (near Bundy) beautiful day here as well. I am a Naturopath Herbalist. Kerry Bone (who is the definitive authority on herbal medicine in Australia) states in his Essential Guide to Herbal Safety which was cowritten with Simon Mills, the following about Raspberry Leaf (Rubus idaeus): Pregnancy Category A: No proven increase in frequency of malformation or other harmful effects on the foetus despite consumption by a large number of women. Lactation Category C: Compatible with breastfeeding. Contraindications: In principle, the use of herbs containing high levels of tannins is contraindicated or at least inappropriate in: constipation, iron deficiency anaemia and malnutrition. Warnings precautions: Because of the tannin content of this herb, long term use should be avoided. Use cautiously in highly inflamed or ulcerated conditions of the gastrointestinal tract. Adverse reactions: None found in published literature for raspberry leaf. A potential adverse reaction due to the high tannin content is irritation of the mouth and G.I. tract. Interactions: Take separately from oral thiamine, metal ion supplements or alkaloid containing medications.. Raspberry leafs actions are: Astringent, Partus Praeparator, Parturifacient and antidiarrhoeal. Kerry also states: No adverse effects are expected in pregnancy but it is most appropriate to confine use to the second and third trimesters. This is because raspberry leaf has a reputation as a uterine stimulant, which is probably doubtful, except perhaps near term. Results from a controlled, retrospective, observational study involving 108 women suggested that the consumption of raspberry leaf during pregnancy might shorten labour, reduce the likelihood of preterm and postterm labour and reduce the need for medical intervention. One woman ceased us of raspberry leaf during pregnancy after experiencing an increased frequency of Braxton Hicks contractions and another woman ceased use after an episode of diarrhoea. Raspberry leaf could not be established as the cause in either case. The authors stated that the use of raspberry leaf appeared to be safe for pregnant women and their babies during, pregnancy, labour and birth and in the early postpartum period. Consumption of raspberry leaf commenced as early as 8 weeks gestation (which as herbalists we dont advocate) with the majority of women commencing at 30 to 34 weeks. The daily dosage ranged from 1 to 6 cups of tea or 1 to 8 tablets, with 3 cups of tea per day or 6 tablets per day being the most popular dosages. There was also another randomised, double-blind, placebo controlled trial involving 192 women. In short, the results showed that raspberry leaf did not shorten the first stage of labour. Clinically significant findings were a shortening of the second stage (mean difference = 9.6 minutes) and a lower rate of forceps deliveries between the treatment group and control groups (19.3% vs 30.4%). Raspberry leaf was not found to cause adverse effects for mothers or babies. Side effects were reported by 32% of women in the raspberry leaf group and 25% of women in the placebo group. Most discomforts were pregnancy related and included diarrhoea, constipation, nausea, vomiting, headaches, heartburn, strong uterine tightening, dizziness and bloating. Overdosage: No incidents found in published literature. Toxicology: Raspberry leaf has very low toxicity. Raspberry leaf is not included in Part 4 of Schedule 4 of the TGA regulations. Raspberry leaves have very high levels of manganese, moderate levels of iron, calcium and selenium and vitamins A C. Raspberry leaves also aid in involution of the uterus after delivery; aid with production and maintenance of breastmilk; a general and uterine tonic following surgery to the uterus. Rubus in the form of dried leaf is very bulky and fluffy. Prescriptions of 1 teaspoon per cup 3 times daily results in low doses which may not be therapeutically active (Ruth Tricky, Women Hormones the Menstrual Cycle.) Hope this helps, Cheers, Ramona. From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Heartlogic Sent: Sunday, 1 October 2006 5:42 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Reference wanted please re Raspberry Leaf Tea Hello Wise ones, Does anyone have the reference to thestudy on the use of Raspberry Leaf Tea in pregnancy on hand? I'll be so grateful if you do and can find it easily and send it to me! Please email me direct on [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's a beautiful day up here on the Central Coast of NSW! Trust you all are having a great weekend! with best and happiestwishes, Carolyn Hastie Heartlogic www.heartlogic.biz Phone: +61 2 43893919 PO Box 5405 Chittaway Bay, NSW 2261 As a single footstep will not make a path in the earth, so a single
RE: Re: [ozmidwifery] Nipple care
Hi Katy From a naturopathic point of view when treating any skin conditions, we go back to the digestive system and the liver. If the gut and accessory digestive organs are not detoxifying as well as they should be, then elimination will occur through the other eliminatory organ which is the skin. Also, stress/upset etc etc make matters worse. Treat all of those and the condition will clear up sometimes takes a while though. Trigger foods are another thing to look out for. Also decrease drastically the amount of dairy and wheat products in the diet. High does of omega 3 fatty acids i.e. fish oil helps dramatically. By high does I mean about 6g daily of a good quality fish oil (not one from the supermarket you would need to take about 14 of them daily to get any benefit at all thats why theyre cheap). Moisturise, moisturise, moisturise with no petroleum based products at all and only using good quality organic skin care. No towelling dry just lightly patting after a bath or shower. Lots of people with skin conditions also have a problem with sulphur so things like high doses of garlic and other sulphur veges can be eliminated to see if that makes a difference. (Other sulphur veges are onions, broccoli, cauliflower, asparagus). Hope this helps Ramona Lane From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of diane Sent: Tuesday, 19 September 2006 6:27 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [ozmidwifery] Nipple care Hi Katy, My first thoughts are: does she know what triggers the eczema? It may be worth looking at an elimination diet to rule out some things. Look at Sue Dengates website . www.fedupwithfoodadditives.info/ Also consider the washing powder or fabric of her bra/clothes. Many are treated with chemicals and the washing powders/ softeners/soaps/creams/ deodorants etc are a big combination of soap and chemicals esp fragrance. I use Miracle wash laundry balls instead of powders etcwhich clean by changing the pH of the water and no softeners needed either (also very economical and environmentally friendly)www.laundryball.com.au/ - Original Message - From: Katy O'Neill To: Ozmidwifery Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 4:37 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Nipple care Dear all, I would like your help with info to forward on to my niece who suffers from exemia in particular her nipples, whichcrack and bleed.She is not pregnant or feeding, but with my midwives eye, I would like to help her clear things up to protect the future BF potential. My niece was BF till she was 4 and so I feel confident that she will be very pro. I know little of what she has already tried so all info would be great. Thanks in anticipation. Katy.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal examinations
Me as well, please!! I am a Naturopath specialising in Fertility care and Doula in training so if you could send the picture to [EMAIL PROTECTED] it would be much appreciated. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of lisa chalmers Sent: Thursday, 31 August 2006 11:02 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal examinations Me please!! Am in the middle of training doulas and was trying to explain to them what it looks like.. Thankyou!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Jo Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal examinations Sure. Just don't look at my butt ;) There are no attachments allowed on this mailing list, am I right? I guess I can just email it to those who ask to see it. :) Jo On 31/08/2006, at 7:07 AM, meg wrote: Can we see it? Megan - Original Message - From: Jo Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal examinations Two words: PURPLE LINE I have a great photo of mine (thanks for pointing it out, Mary!) :) Jo On 30/08/2006, at 9:31 PM, Sally @ home wrote: Just to add to this... There was an extremely heated discussion at a meeting with docs and midwives where I work about how doing a VE is the only way to ascertain progress in the normal labour of uncompromised healthy women. The midwives now have to come up with evidence showing that doing a VE within 1- 4 hours of admission to hospital (then 4-6 hourly thereafter) is not necessary as we are able to assess progress in different ways (all of which have been poo-pooed by the medicos)...so...am needing the help of all you wonderfully wise women out there. Thanks in advance. Sally - Original Message - From: Sally @ home [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 10:30 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal examinations Was wondering what guidelines others worked with regarding when to do vaginal examinations...specifically in the hospital setting. And what evidence they base their practice on. Thanks in advance. Sally -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.0.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/428 - Release Date: 25/08/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/432 - Release Date: 29/08/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
