[ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers

[Wendy Taberer]

Does anyone who has managed to get onto this new website
have any idea what the difference is between the ‘Tote Bag’ and the
‘Midwife Tote Bag’ …  both look exactly the same,
measure the same, but cost different!!!   I can’t see why..

 

Wendy 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers!

[Fiona Rumble]

Jan, this is a different site also selling bumper stickers, not Birth 
International.


- Original Message - 
From: "Jan Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers!

Just send a fax to Birth International and express an interest in
ordering some - that will get a response.
Jan
Jan Robinson Independent Midwife Practitioner
National Coordinator  Australian Society of Independent Midwives
8 Robin Crescent   South Hurstville   NSW   2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546
4350
e-mail address: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  website:
www.midwiferyeducation.com.au
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RE: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers!

[B & G]

I accessed without problems but it does take time for the images to
appear even with ADSL. As you said most of it is under construction. Is
this part of Birth International? I thought it was a new concept.
Cheers Barb

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of leanne wynne
Sent: Thursday, 9 September 2004 8:39 AM
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Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers!


Hi All,
I accessed this web-site but parts of it are still under construction.
Leanne.


>From: "Mary Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers!
>Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:17:34 +0800
>
>I have not been able to connect with this website.. anyone else have 
>any
>luck?  MM
>
>   Have a look  www.midwives.com.au


Leanne Wynne
Midwife in charge of "Women's Business"
Mildura Aboriginal Health Service  Mob 0418 371862

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers!

[leanne wynne]

Hi All,
I accessed this web-site but parts of it are still under construction.
Leanne.

From: "Mary Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers!
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:17:34 +0800
I have not been able to connect with this website.. anyone else have any 
luck?  MM

  Have a look  www.midwives.com.au

Leanne Wynne
Midwife in charge of "Women's Business"
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers!

[Jan Robinson]

Just send a fax to Birth International and express an interest in ordering some - that will get a response.
Jan
Jan Robinson Independent Midwife Practitioner
National Coordinator  Australian Society of Independent Midwives
8 Robin Crescent   South Hurstville   NSW   2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350
e-mail address: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.au
On 8 Sep, 2004, at 22:20, Anglodutch NTL Account wrote:

Mary,
 
You're not the only one not being able to connect to this website. Anybody have any suggestions?
 
Claudia Riley
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From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf OfMary Murphy
Sent:08 September 2004 07:18
To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers!

I have not been able to connect with this website.. anyone else have any luck?  MM
 
Have a look www.midwives.com.au
 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers!

[Honey Acharya]

I couldn't find it either.
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Mary 
  Murphy 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 10:14 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper 
  stickers!
  
  I am getting very frustrated at being unable to locate this site!  
  MM
  

Yes I have had a 
look and it seems like it will be a really good website, very informative, 
once it is all up and running.  Especially for midwives hoping to move 
to Australia
Like 
me.
Wendy  

I have not been able to connect with this website.. 
anyone else have any luck?  MM

  
   
  
  Have a 
  look  www.midwives.com.au
  
   

RE: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers!

[Anglodutch NTL Account]

Mary, 

 
You're 
not the only one not being able to connect to this website. Anybody have any 
suggestions?
 
Claudia Riley

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  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Mary 
  MurphySent: 08 September 2004 07:18To: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper 
  stickers!
  I have not been able to connect with this website.. anyone else have any 
  luck?  MM
  
 
Have a look  www.midwives.com.au
 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers!

[Mary Murphy]

I am getting very frustrated at being unable to locate this site!  
MM

  
  Yes I have had a look 
  and it seems like it will be a really good website, very informative, once it 
  is all up and running.  Especially for midwives hoping to move to 
  Australia
  Like 
  me.
  Wendy  
  
  I have not been able to connect with this website.. 
  anyone else have any luck?  MM
  

 

Have a look  
www.midwives.com.au

 

RE: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers!

[Wendy Taberer]

Yes I have had a look and it seems like it
will be a really good website, very informative, once it is all up and
running.  Especially for midwives hoping to move to Australia

Like me.

Wendy 

 









From:
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[mailto:owner-[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of Mary Murphy
Sent: 08 September 2004 07:18
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper
stickers!



 



I have not been able to connect with this website.. anyone else have
any luck?  MM







 





Have a look  www.midwives.com.au





 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers!

[Marilyn Kleidon]

Yes I did: they seems to be a job resouce site: for 
midwives. Several bumper stickers and a section on funny midwife gifts (tshirts 
etc), they seem to really like the "midwives help people out" motto. Informative 
site too.
 
marilyn

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  From: 
  Mary 
  Murphy 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:17 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper 
  stickers!
  
  I have not been able to connect with this website.. anyone else have any 
  luck?  MM
  
 
Have a look  www.midwives.com.au
 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers!

[Pamela Hayes]

Dear Mary
I am newly connected to ozmidwifery website (today actually). However I was able to view www.midwives.com.au and viewed the bumper sticker under "Your Ship" Did you see the enter site message at the bottom right hand side? On clicking this, the next page has a series of pink boxes down the left hand side
The site seems to be still under construction but "Your Shop" was up and working and the bumper stickers there on view
Hope this helps
Pam

On Wednesday, September 8, 2004, at 04:17  PM, Mary Murphy wrote:

I have not been able to connect with this website.. anyone else have any luck?  MM

 
Have a look  www.midwives.com.au
 

RE: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers!

[Judy Giesaitis]

I got 
through, no problems.  I just love the tote bag,  
Judy

  -Original Message-From: Mary Murphy 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, 8 September 2004 
  4:18 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: 
  [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers!
  I have not been able to connect with this website.. anyone else have any 
  luck?  MM
  
 
Have a look  www.midwives.com.au
 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers!

[Mary Murphy]

I have not been able to connect with this website.. anyone else have any 
luck?  MM

   
  Have a look  www.midwives.com.au
   

[ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers!

[Sadie]

 
Has anyone else seen all the 
bumper stickers at this new web site?
 
Have a look  www.midwives.com.au
 
Cheers,
 
Sadie
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Life is not measured by the 
breaths we take,    but by the moments that take our 
breath.

Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers

[Denise Hynd]

Thank you
Denise Hynd

"Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world.  For,
indeed, they are the only ones who ever have."
Margaret Mead
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From: "Andrea Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers


> Hi Denise,
>
> Good question! Let me get back to you on bulk prices
>
> Cheers
>
> Andrea
>
>
> At 11:31 AM 5/09/2004, you wrote:
> >Andrea
> >are there any different prices for bulkorders of the bumper stickers??
> >Denise Hynd
> >
> >"Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world.  For,
> >indeed, they are the only ones who ever have."
> >Margaret Mead
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Andrea Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 11:29 AM
> >Subject: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers
> >
> >
> > > Hi Everyone,
> > >
> > > We've just released two new bumper stickers - one has a political
message
> > > (in time for the election) and the other is of a more general nature.
You
> > > can see them on our web site:
> > >
> > > www.birthinternational.com
> > >
> > > Hope you like them!
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Andrea
> > >
> > >
> > > -
> > > Andrea Robertson
> > > Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth
Education
> > >
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[Andrea Robertson]

Hi Denise,
Good question! Let me get back to you on bulk prices
Cheers
Andrea
At 11:31 AM 5/09/2004, you wrote:
Andrea
are there any different prices for bulkorders of the bumper stickers??
Denise Hynd
"Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world.  For,
indeed, they are the only ones who ever have."
Margaret Mead
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From: "Andrea Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 11:29 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers
> Hi Everyone,
>
> We've just released two new bumper stickers - one has a political message
> (in time for the election) and the other is of a more general nature. You
> can see them on our web site:
>
> www.birthinternational.com
>
> Hope you like them!
>
> Cheers
>
> Andrea
>
>
> -
> Andrea Robertson
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>
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[Denise Hynd]

Andrea
are there any different prices for bulkorders of the bumper stickers??
Denise Hynd

"Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world.  For,
indeed, they are the only ones who ever have."
Margaret Mead
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From: "Andrea Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 11:29 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers


> Hi Everyone,
>
> We've just released two new bumper stickers - one has a political message
> (in time for the election) and the other is of a more general nature. You
> can see them on our web site:
>
> www.birthinternational.com
>
> Hope you like them!
>
> Cheers
>
> Andrea
>
>
> -
> Andrea Robertson
> Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education
>
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[ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers

[Andrea Robertson]

Hi Everyone,
We've just released two new bumper stickers - one has a political message 
(in time for the election) and the other is of a more general nature. You 
can see them on our web site:

www.birthinternational.com
Hope you like them!
Cheers
Andrea
-
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Re: [ozmidwifery] bumper stickers

[Victoria Couldwell]

Hi everyone,
My sister, as an ambulance officer, has a sticker that has the emblem of the NSW Ambulance Service and says "Ambulance Officers' Vehicle". but that's probably a bit formal.
What about this? Do you know those yellow and black diamond-shaped stickers that say "Baby on Board"? What about if they were the same, but said "Baby Catcher on Board"?
:-)
Victoria 
>From: Andrea Quanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] bumper stickers 
>Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 21:30:34 +1000 
> 
>I have to say I like this and sadly miss it from my car. I bought 
>mine from the ANF Midwives Action Group when it was in existence. 
>You will not make everyone happy, all the group or the public who 
>see it on your car, but even if someone sees the sticker and takes 
>offence because say they didn't have a midwife then that is not 
>necessarily a bad thing. It has still raised the idea in their mind 
>that there is another option and got them thinking about the concept 
>which is surely the aim of bumper sticker. 
>I would like to have a sticker on my car which identifies me as a 
>midwife soemthing like the Lindsay Fox trucks  you are passing 
>a/another midwife 
> 
>Andrea Q 
>On Tuesday, March 30, 2004, at 10:03  PM, Kirsten Blacker wrote: 
> 
>>I always liked "Happy Birthdays happen with Midwives" - it was the 
>>ACMI one a few years ago 
>>Kirsten 
>> 
>>- Original Message - 
>>From: Laraine Hood 
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>>Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 7:48 PM 
>>Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] bumper stickers 
>> 
>>Hi , I have been noticing bumper stickers over the last few days.  
>>Unfortunately anything too wordy gets missed because you can't read 
>>it unless you're uncomfortably close to the bumper!  An example of 
>>this is 'Don't take your organs to Heaven, Heaven knows they're 
>>needed here'  or something to that effect.  Anyway, very hard to 
>>read from anything over a few feet away. Maybe a few words in an 
>>eye catching colour may be a better option?  Laraine 
>> 
>>- Original Message - 
>>From: Wayne and Cas 
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>>Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:35 PM 
>>Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] bumper stickers 
>> 
>>I like Barb's too. How about "Midwives provide real birth care 
>>because they care about birth". 
>>  
>>Cas, Wayne, Liam and Daniel McCullough 
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>>www.casmccullough.com 
>>  
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[Rachel Rogers]

  love it! thanks Andrea
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Andrea Quanchi 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 9:30 
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] bumper 
stickers
I have to say I like this and sadly miss it from my car. I 
bought mine from the ANF Midwives Action Group when it was in 
existence.You will not make everyone happy, all the group or the public 
who see it on your car, but even if someone sees the sticker and takes 
offence because say they didn't have a midwife then that is not necessarily 
a bad thing. It has still raised the idea in their mind that there is 
another option and got them thinking about the concept which is surely the 
aim of bumper sticker.I would like to have a sticker on my car which 
identifies me as a midwife soemthing like the Lindsay Fox trucks you are 
passing a/another midwifeAndrea QOn Tuesday, March 30, 2004, 
at 10:03 PM, Kirsten Blacker wrote:
I always liked "Happy 
  Birthdays happen with Midwives" - it was the ACMI one a few years agoKirsten- 
  Original Message -From: 
  Laraine HoodTo: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: 
  Tuesday, March 30, 2004 7:48 PMSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] 
  bumper stickersHi , I have 
  been noticing bumper stickers over the last few days.  Unfortunately 
  anything too wordy gets missed because you can't read it unless you're 
  uncomfortably close to the bumper!  An example of this is 'Don't take 
  your organs to Heaven, Heaven knows they're needed here'  or 
  something to that effect.  Anyway, very hard to read from anything 
  over a few feet away. Maybe a few words in an eye catching 
  colour may be a better option?  
  Laraine- Original Message 
  -From: Wayne and CasTo: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: 
  Monday, March 29, 2004 8:35 PMSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] bumper 
  stickersI 
  like Barb's too. How about "Midwives provide real birth care because they 
  care about birth". Cas, 
  Wayne, Liam and Daniel McCulloughcas@casmccullough.comwww.casmccullough.com 

Re: [ozmidwifery] bumper stickers

[CSN Heather]

"MIDWIVES DONT TAKE SHORTCUTS"

On 01/04/2004, at 10:07 AM, Judy Giesaitis wrote:

Good one Andrea, I would also like, you have just been passed by another midwife!
 

RE: [ozmidwifery] bumper stickers

[Judy Giesaitis]

Good 
one Andrea, I would also like, you have just been passed by another midwife! 

 

Re: [ozmidwifery] bumper stickers

[Andrea Quanchi]

I have to say I like this and sadly miss it from my car. I bought mine from the ANF Midwives Action Group when it was in existence.
You will not make everyone happy, all the group or the public who see it on your car, but even if someone sees the sticker and takes offence because say they didn't have a midwife then that is not necessarily a bad thing. It has still raised the idea in their mind that there is another option and got them thinking about the concept which is surely the aim of bumper sticker.
I would like to have a sticker on my car which identifies me as a midwife soemthing like the Lindsay Fox trucks  you are passing a/another midwife

Andrea Q
On Tuesday, March 30, 2004, at 10:03  PM, Kirsten Blacker wrote:

I always liked "Happy Birthdays happen with Midwives" - it was the ACMI one a few years ago
Kirsten

- Original Message -
From: Laraine Hood
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] bumper stickers

Hi , I have been noticing bumper stickers over the last few days.  Unfortunately anything too wordy gets missed because you can't read it unless you're uncomfortably close to the bumper!  An example of this is 'Don't take your organs to Heaven, Heaven knows they're needed here'  or something to that effect.  Anyway, very hard to read from anything over a few feet away. Maybe a few words in an eye catching colour may be a better option?  Laraine

- Original Message -
From: Wayne and Cas
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:35 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] bumper stickers

I like Barb's too. How about "Midwives provide real birth care because they care about birth".
 
Cas, Wayne, Liam and Daniel McCullough
@casmccullough.com
www.casmccullough.com
 

Re: [ozmidwifery] bumper stickers

[megan davidson]

Definitly the first one, short, catchy and 
meaningful.
megan

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Irene Shaw 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 7:42 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] bumper 
  stickers
  
  
Dear Jen,
 
A few late thoughts and I haven't read all the suggestions 
on the Ozmid list so hope I am not treading on someone else's 
ground.
 
Midwives: With woman, with child (title of my 
Ph.D.)
Midwives: birth matters.
Midwives: way of life
Midwives: [the] way of life.
 
I wish you every success.
Irene Shaw.
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Jen 
  Semple 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 11:35 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] bumper 
  stickers
  
  Many thanks to everyone for your input on bumper stickers!  Will 
  keep you posted.
   
  Jen
  
  
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Re: [ozmidwifery] bumper stickers

[JoFromOz]

Irene, I LOVE the first one!
 
Midwives: With woman, with child.
 
It's a winner! :)
 
Jo
 
 Original Message From: Irene ShawTo: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 5:42 
PMSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] bumper stickers> Dear Jen,> > A few late thoughts and I haven't read 
all the suggestions on the> Ozmid list so hope I am not treading on 
someone else's ground. > > Midwives: With woman, with child (title 
of my Ph.D.)> Midwives: birth matters.> Midwives: way of 
life> Midwives: [the] way of life.> > I wish you every 
success.> Irene Shaw.> > > - Original Message 
-> From: Jen Semple> To: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 11:35 
AM> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] bumper stickers> > > 
Many thanks to everyone for your input on bumper stickers!  Will 
keep> you posted. > > Jen> > > 
> > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] bumper stickers

[Irene Shaw]

  Dear Jen,
   
  A few late thoughts and I haven't read all the suggestions 
  on the Ozmid list so hope I am not treading on someone else's 
  ground.
   
  Midwives: With woman, with child (title of my 
  Ph.D.)
  Midwives: birth matters.
  Midwives: way of life
  Midwives: [the] way of life.
   
  I wish you every success.
  Irene Shaw.
   
   
  
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From: 
Jen 
Semple 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 11:35 
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] bumper 
    stickers

Many thanks to everyone for your input on bumper stickers!  Will 
keep you posted.
 
Jen


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RE: [ozmidwifery] bumper stickers

[Judy Giesaitis]

Dear 
Jen, I think many of us will want to buy some stickers when they are printed, I 
know I will, and will need several for my friends  Judy 
Giesaitis

  -Original Message-

Re: [ozmidwifery] bumper stickers

[Jen Semple]

Many thanks to everyone for your input on bumper stickers!  Will keep you posted.
 
Jen
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RE: [ozmidwifery] bumper stickers

[Sally Westbury]

I love this one too

 

Midwives help people out

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Susan Cudlipp
Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2004 9:18
PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] bumper
stickers

 



I had a friend in New Zealand (sadly
no longer with us) who designed T shirts with the slogan "Midwives help
people out" which I thought was really cool and would love such a bumper
sticker for my car.





 





Today I have had one of the
saddest experiences any of us have to face, that of a routine ante-natal check
in a healthy multip at 39 + weeks, and finding there to be no foetal
heart.  I know this is part of the job, and I have had to deal with it
before, but it just about broke my heart.





Not really expecting anything here -
just sharing and feeling sad.





Sue







- Original Message - 





From: Barb Glare & Chris Bright 





To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 





Sent: Sunday,
March 28, 2004 4:41 PM





Subject: Re:
[ozmidwifery] bumper stickers





 





Hi,





 





You can get fabulous "Human
Milk for Human babies"





ones from the Australian
Breastfeeding Association.





 





I had a fabulous sticker on my old
car that said "midwives and Mothers Labour together"  I really
liked that





 





Barb Glare
Mum of Zac, 11, Daniel 9, Cassie, 5 & Guan 1
ABA Counsellor, Warrnambool, Vic
Poster and Calendar orders [EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.abavic.asn.au





 





 





 





 







- Original Message - 





From: Jen Semple 





To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 





Sent: Sunday,
March 28, 2004 5:58 PM





Subject:
[ozmidwifery] bumper stickers





 





Seeking in-put from MC
branches around Oz, consumer organisations, ASIM, etc...





 





ACMI is looking at
printing bumper stickers & there's interest from Midwives in Private
Practice (MIPP in Victoria) & possibly MC (Vic) going in together to do 
a massive print to reduce costs, have heaps of the same stickers floating
around on cars all around Oz, etc.





Janine Clark (ACMI
national student rep) & I are looking at organising this... if anyone
has any suggestions please let us know!

One question to think about/dicuss is if all of these 
organisations (ACMI, MC, MIPP, ASIM, etc) are keen to get stickers together,
each sticker is not going to be able to have each organisation's name on it.
 So I think each organisation needs to discuss why they want the
stickers... to promote the organisation or to promote midwifery/birth reform (or
other goal I haven't thought 
of!).





 





If the goal is to promote
midwifery/birth reform, maybe they could all have the MC website on them since
that's the umbrella organisation.  If the goal is to promote the specific
organisation, then I'm not really sure how this could be done.

Does anyone have any thoughts/feelings/ideas?

I've collated a list of suggested slogans below, but before slogans are
debated, it's probably more important to discuss goals & priorities.

Jen


"Push for birth reform"

"I want 1-to-1 midwifery care"

"Midwives help people out"

"Women in the know know a midwife" 

The NZ College of Midwives sell 3 stickers for around $1 each:

- Start life with a midwife

- I chose carefully, I chose a midwife

- I'm a midwife

Midwives Care! -Naturally!-

PROUD TO BE A MIDWIFE

SAY HELLO TO A MIDWIFE

"midwives do it for life"

"midwives do it .. naturally"

'human milk for hu! man babies'

"the goddess or the birth machine - your choice"

peace on earth begins at birth

Midwives: saving the earth, one baby at at time 



 







Find local movie times
and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.

Re: [ozmidwifery] bumper stickers

[Susan Cudlipp]

I had a friend in New Zealand (sadly no longer with 
us) who designed T shirts with the slogan "Midwives help people out" which I 
thought was really cool and would love such a bumper sticker for my 
car.
 
Today I have had one of the saddest 
experiences any of us have to face, that of a routine ante-natal check in a 
healthy multip at 39 + weeks, and finding there to be no foetal heart.  I 
know this is part of the job, and I have had to deal with it before, but it 
just about broke my heart.
Not really expecting anything here - just sharing 
and feeling sad.
Sue

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Barb 
  Glare & Chris Bright 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 4:41 
PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] bumper 
  stickers
  
  Hi,
   
  You can get fabulous "Human Milk for Human 
  babies"
  ones from the Australian Breastfeeding 
  Association.
   
  I had a fabulous sticker on my old car that said 
  "midwives and Mothers Labour together"  I really liked that
   
  Barb GlareMum of Zac, 11, Daniel 9, Cassie, 5 & Guan 1ABA 
  Counsellor, Warrnambool, VicPoster and Calendar orders [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.abavic.asn.au
   
   
   
   
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Jen 
Semple 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 5:58 
    PM
    Subject: [ozmidwifery] bumper 
stickers

Seeking in-put from MC branches around Oz, consumer organisations, 
ASIM, etc...
 
ACMI is looking at printing bumper stickers & there's interest from 
Midwives in Private Practice (MIPP in Victoria) & possibly MC (Vic) 
going in together to do a massive print to reduce costs, have heaps of 
the same stickers floating around on cars all around Oz, etc.
Janine Clark (ACMI national student rep) & I are looking at 
organising this... if anyone has any suggestions please let us 
know!One question to think about/dicuss is if all of these 
organisations (ACMI, MC, MIPP, ASIM, etc) are keen to get stickers 
together, each sticker is not going to be able to have each organisation's 
name on it.  So I think each organisation needs to discuss why they 
want the stickers... to promote the organisation or to promote 
midwifery/birth reform (or other goal I haven't thought of!).
 
If the goal is to promote midwifery/birth reform, maybe they could all 
have the MC website on them since that's the umbrella organisation.  If 
the goal is to promote the specific organisation, then I'm not really sure 
how this could be done.Does anyone have any 
thoughts/feelings/ideas?I've collated a list of suggested slogans 
below, but before slogans are debated, it's probably more important to 
discuss goals & priorities.Jen"Push for 
birth reform""I want 1-to-1 midwifery care""Midwives help 
people out""Women in the know know a midwife" The NZ College 
of Midwives sell 3 stickers for around $1 each:- Start life with a 
midwife- I chose carefully, I chose a midwife- I'm a 
midwifeMidwives Care! -Naturally!-PROUD TO BE A 
MIDWIFESAY HELLO TO A MIDWIFE"midwives do it for 
life""midwives do it .. naturally"'human milk for hu! man 
babies'"the goddess or the birth machine - your choice"peace 
on earth begins at birthMidwives: saving the earth, one baby at at 
time 


Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! 
Movies.

Re: [ozmidwifery] bumper stickers

[Kirsten Blacker]

Title: Message



I always liked "Happy Birthdays happen with 
Midwives" - it was the ACMI one a few years ago
Kirsten

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Laraine 
  Hood 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 7:48 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] bumper 
  stickers
  
  Hi , I have been noticing bumper stickers over 
  the last few days.  Unfortunately anything too wordy gets missed because 
  you can't read it unless you're uncomfortably close to the bumper!  An 
  example of this is 'Don't take your organs to Heaven, Heaven knows they're 
  needed here'  or something to that effect.  Anyway, very hard to 
  read from anything over a few feet away. Maybe a few words in an eye 
  catching colour may be a better option?  Laraine
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Wayne 
and Cas 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:35 
PM
    Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] bumper 
stickers

I 
like Barb's too. How about "Midwives provide real birth care because they 
care about birth".
 
Cas, Wayne, Liam and Daniel 
McCullough
cas@casmccullough.com
www.casmccullough.com
 

Re: [ozmidwifery] bumper stickers

[Laraine Hood]

Title: Message



Hi , I have been noticing bumper stickers over the 
last few days.  Unfortunately anything too wordy gets missed because you 
can't read it unless you're uncomfortably close to the bumper!  An example 
of this is 'Don't take your organs to Heaven, Heaven knows they're needed 
here'  or something to that effect.  Anyway, very hard to read from 
anything over a few feet away. Maybe a few words in an eye catching 
colour may be a better option?  Laraine

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Wayne and 
  Cas 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:35 
PM
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] bumper 
  stickers
  
  I 
  like Barb's too. How about "Midwives provide real birth care because they care 
  about birth".
   
  Cas, Wayne, Liam and Daniel 
  McCullough
  cas@casmccullough.com
  www.casmccullough.com
   

RE: [ozmidwifery] bumper stickers

[Neretlis, Bethany]

I think printing a few different stickers would be good, maybe some pushing the 
political angle and some not.
 
Just a quick comment about the $1100 for 5 mins. It was at a private hospital, so was 
the womans choice to be there and accept the charges that apply. At least she got a Dr 
who kept his nose out where it wasn't needed. I agree that the system needs looking 
at, but as things stand, do private hospitals get reviewed anyway, other than 
accreditation?
 
regards, bethany

-Original Message-
From: Liz Newnham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2004 09:23
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] bumper stickers


Jen, what a great idea. I had a "start life with a midwife" sticker on my old car, and 
I miss it! It is a subtle consciousness-raising message. However, lots of the others 
you and others have mentioned are good too. Maybe print a few different messages?
Liz

- Original Message - 
From: Jen  <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Semple 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 5:28 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] bumper stickers

Seeking in-put from MC branches around Oz, consumer organisations, ASIM, etc...
 
ACMI is looking at printing bumper stickers & there's interest from Midwives in 
Private Practice (MIPP in Victoria) & possibly MC (Vic) going in together to do 
a massive print to reduce costs, have heaps of the same stickers floating around on 
cars all around Oz, etc.

Janine Clark (ACMI national student rep) & I are looking at organising this... if 
anyone has any suggestions please let us know!

One question to think about/dicuss is if all of these 
organisations (ACMI, MC, MIPP, ASIM, etc) are keen to get stickers together, each 
sticker is not going to be able to have each organisation's name on it.  So I think 
each organisation needs to discuss why they want the stickers... to promote the 
organisation or to promote midwifery/birth reform (or other goal I haven't thought 
of!).
 
If the goal is to promote midwifery/birth reform, maybe they could all have the MC 
website on them since that's the umbrella organisation.  If the goal is to promote the 
specific organisation, then I'm not really sure how this could be done.

Does anyone have any thoughts/feelings/ideas?

I've collated a list of suggested slogans below, but before slogans are debated, it's 
probably more important to discuss goals & priorities.

Jen


"Push for birth reform"

"I want 1-to-1 midwifery care"

"Midwives help people out"

"Women in the know know a midwife" 

The NZ College of Midwives sell 3 stickers for around $1 each:

- Start life with a midwife

- I chose carefully, I chose a midwife

- I'm a midwife

Midwives Care! -Naturally!-

PROUD TO BE A MIDWIFE

SAY HELLO TO A MIDWIFE

"midwives do it for life"

"midwives do it .. naturally"

'human milk for hu! man babies'

"the goddess or the birth machine - your choice"

peace on earth begins at birth

Midwives: saving the earth, one baby at at time 




  _  

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Re: [ozmidwifery] bumper stickers

[Liz Newnham]

Jen, what a great idea. I had a "start life with a 
midwife" sticker on my old car, and I miss it! It is a subtle 
consciousness-raising message. However, lots of the others you and others have 
mentioned are good too. Maybe print a few different messages?
Liz

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Jen 
  Semple 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 5:28 
PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] bumper 
  stickers
  
  Seeking in-put from MC branches around Oz, consumer organisations, ASIM, 
  etc...
   
  ACMI is looking at printing bumper stickers & there's interest from 
  Midwives in Private Practice (MIPP in Victoria) & possibly MC (Vic) going 
  in together to do a massive print to reduce costs, have heaps of the same 
  stickers floating around on cars all around Oz, etc.
  Janine Clark (ACMI national student rep) & I are looking at 
  organising this... if anyone has any suggestions please let us 
  know!One question to think about/dicuss is if all of these 
  organisations (ACMI, MC, MIPP, ASIM, etc) are keen to get stickers 
  together, each sticker is not going to be able to have each organisation's 
  name on it.  So I think each organisation needs to discuss why they want 
  the stickers... to promote the organisation or to promote midwifery/birth 
  reform (or other goal I haven't thought of!).
   
  If the goal is to promote midwifery/birth reform, maybe they could all 
  have the MC website on them since that's the umbrella organisation.  If 
  the goal is to promote the specific organisation, then I'm not really sure how 
  this could be done.Does anyone have any 
  thoughts/feelings/ideas?I've collated a list of suggested slogans 
  below, but before slogans are debated, it's probably more important to discuss 
  goals & priorities.Jen"Push for birth 
  reform""I want 1-to-1 midwifery care""Midwives help people 
  out""Women in the know know a midwife" The NZ College of 
  Midwives sell 3 stickers for around $1 each:- Start life with a 
  midwife- I chose carefully, I chose a midwife- I'm a 
  midwifeMidwives Care! -Naturally!-PROUD TO BE A 
  MIDWIFESAY HELLO TO A MIDWIFE"midwives do it for 
  life""midwives do it .. naturally"'human milk for hu! man 
  babies'"the goddess or the birth machine - your choice"peace 
  on earth begins at birthMidwives: saving the earth, one baby at at 
  time 
  
  
  Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.

RE: [ozmidwifery] bumper stickers

[Wayne and Cas]

Title: Message



I like 
Barb's too. How about "Midwives provide real birth care because they care about 
birth".
 
Cas, Wayne, Liam and Daniel McCullough
cas@casmccullough.com
www.casmccullough.com
 

Re: [ozmidwifery] bumper stickers

[Jen Semple]

Hi Barb,
 
Thanks for sharing where that fabulous one comes from!  Must get one for my car!
 
JenBarb Glare & Chris Bright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




Hi,
 
You can get fabulous "Human Milk for Human babies"
ones from the Australian Breastfeeding Association.
 
I had a fabulous sticker on my old car that said "midwives and Mothers Labour together"  I really liked that
 
Barb GlareMum of Zac, 11, Daniel 9, Cassie, 5 & Guan 1ABA Counsellor, Warrnambool, VicPoster and Calendar orders [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.abavic.asn.au
Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.

RE: [ozmidwifery] bumper stickers

[Sally Westbury]

Hey barb,

 

Are homebirths happening around Warnambool
at the moment. I used to go down there. Just wondered
what is happening now.

 

Sally Westbury

 

-Original
Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Barb Glare & Chris Bright
Sent: Sunday, 28 March 2004 4:42
PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] bumper
stickers

 



Hi,





 





You can get fabulous "Human
Milk for Human babies"





ones from the Australian
Breastfeeding Association.





 





I had a fabulous sticker on my old
car that said "midwives and Mothers Labour together"  I really
liked that





 





Barb Glare
Mum of Zac, 11, Daniel 9, Cassie, 5 & Guan 1
ABA Counsellor, Warrnambool, Vic
Poster and Calendar orders [EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.abavic.asn.au





 





 





 





 







- Original Message - 





From: Jen Semple 





To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 





Sent: Sunday,
March 28, 2004 5:58 PM





Subject:
[ozmidwifery] bumper stickers





 





Seeking in-put from MC
branches around Oz, consumer organisations, ASIM, etc...





 





ACMI is looking at
printing bumper stickers & there's interest from Midwives in Private
Practice (MIPP in Victoria) & possibly MC (Vic) going in together to do 
a massive print to reduce costs, have heaps of the same stickers floating
around on cars all around Oz, etc.





Janine Clark (ACMI
national student rep) & I are looking at organising this... if anyone
has any suggestions please let us know!

One question to think about/dicuss is if all of these 
organisations (ACMI, MC, MIPP, ASIM, etc) are keen to get stickers together,
each sticker is not going to be able to have each organisation's name on it.
 So I think each organisation needs to discuss why they want the
stickers... to promote the organisation or to promote midwifery/birth reform
(or other goal I haven't thought 
of!).





 





If the goal is to promote
midwifery/birth reform, maybe they could all have the MC website on them since
that's the umbrella organisation.  If the goal is to promote the specific
organisation, then I'm not really sure how this could be done.

Does anyone have any thoughts/feelings/ideas?

I've collated a list of suggested slogans below, but before slogans are
debated, it's probably more important to discuss goals & priorities.

Jen


"Push for birth reform"

"I want 1-to-1 midwifery care"

"Midwives help people out"

"Women in the know know a midwife" 

The NZ College of Midwives sell 3 stickers for around $1 each:

- Start life with a midwife

- I chose carefully, I chose a midwife

- I'm a midwife

Midwives Care! -Naturally!-

PROUD TO BE A MIDWIFE

SAY HELLO TO A MIDWIFE

"midwives do it for life"

"midwives do it .. naturally"

'human milk for hu! man babies'

"the goddess or the birth machine - your choice"

peace on earth begins at birth

Midwives: saving the earth, one baby at at time 



 







Find local movie times
and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.

Re: [ozmidwifery] bumper stickers

[Jodie Miller]

I have seen purple  "Midwifery Matters" bumper stickers around the place.  Who 
makes these?

Friends of the Birth Centre (Qld) have "a midwife helped me out" with a 
picture of a baby in blue, white and yellow.  We sell them for $2 each to 
cover costs of a small print run.  Mostly tho' we give them away.

I agree with Cas that Maternity Coalition, as the umbrella organisation, 
should be the central organisation targetted with a bumper sticker.

I think almost all of the slogans below would belong on a bumper sticker.  The 
one that jumps out to me is "women in the know know a midwife" but maybe it's 
too subtle?  It does bring the element of consumer choice into the debate 
though, so that's why I like it.

I think a generic bumper sticker is a great idea!  


Jodie Miller
Friends of the Birth Centre (Qld)

BTW, the slogan Cas said I suggested was firmly tongue in cheek!



On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 05:58 pm, Jen Semple wrote:
> Seeking in-put from MC branches around Oz, consumer organisations, ASIM,
> etc...
>
> ACMI is looking at printing bumper stickers & there's interest from
> Midwives in Private Practice (MIPP in Victoria) & possibly MC (Vic) going
> in together to do a massive print to reduce costs, have heaps of the same
> stickers floating around on cars all around Oz, etc.
>
> Janine Clark (ACMI national student rep) & I are looking at organising
> this... if anyone has any suggestions please let us know!
>
> One question to think about/dicuss is if all of these
> organisations (ACMI, MC, MIPP, ASIM, etc) are keen to get stickers
> together, each sticker is not going to be able to have each organisation's
> name on it.  So I think each organisation needs to discuss why they want
> the stickers... to promote the organisation or to promote midwifery/birth
> reform (or other goal I haven't thought of!).
>
> If the goal is to promote midwifery/birth reform, maybe they could all have
> the MC website on them since that's the umbrella organisation.  If the goal
> is to promote the specific organisation, then I'm not really sure how this
> could be done.
>
> Does anyone have any thoughts/feelings/ideas?
>
> I've collated a list of suggested slogans below, but before slogans are
> debated, it's probably more important to discuss goals & priorities.
>
> Jen
> 
>
> "Push for birth reform"
>
> "I want 1-to-1 midwifery care"
>
> "Midwives help people out"
>
> "Women in the know know a midwife"
>
> The NZ College of Midwives sell 3 stickers for around $1 each:
>
> - Start life with a midwife
>
> - I chose carefully, I chose a midwife
>
> - I'm a midwife
>
> Midwives Care! -Naturally!-
>
> PROUD TO BE A MIDWIFE
>
> SAY HELLO TO A MIDWIFE
>
> "midwives do it for life"
>
> "midwives do it .. naturally"
>
> 'human milk for human babies'
>
> "the goddess or the birth machine - your choice"
>
> peace on earth begins at birth
>
> Midwives: saving the earth, one baby at at time
>
>
>
> -
> Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
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RE: [ozmidwifery] bumper stickers

[Wayne and Cas]

Title: Message



IMHO I 
think it is MC that needs to be promoted as well as being an umbrella for all 
the birth organisations it is the consumer advocacy body and it is starting to 
be recognised as such by the media and the government. The more we present a 
unified front the more our efforts will seem like we speak for the majorty of 
Australian women. It is an image thing.
 
As far 
as suggestions go, we had thought of some awhile back when we were planning our 
campaign efforts for the Qld election but they've slipped my mind. I think some 
were:
 
Push 
for birth reform

"Community Midwifery... the 
light at the end of the tunnel." this one was 
from Jodie Miller
Cheers,
Cas.
 
 
Cas, Wayne, Liam and Daniel 
McCullough
info@casmccullough.com
www.casmccullough.com
 

  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jen 
  SempleSent: Sunday, 28 March 2004 5:58 PMTo: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] bumper 
  stickers
  Seeking in-put from MC branches around Oz, consumer organisations, ASIM, 
  etc...
   
  ACMI is looking at printing bumper stickers & there's interest from 
  Midwives in Private Practice (MIPP in Victoria) & possibly MC (Vic) going 
  in together to do a massive print to reduce costs, have heaps of the same 
  stickers floating around on cars all around Oz, etc.
  Janine Clark (ACMI national student rep) & I are looking at 
  organising this... if anyone has any suggestions please let us 
  know!One question to think about/dicuss is if all of these 
  organisations (ACMI, MC, MIPP, ASIM, etc) are keen to get stickers 
  together, each sticker is not going to be able to have each organisation's 
  name on it.  So I think each organisation needs to discuss why they want 
  the stickers... to promote the organisation or to promote midwifery/birth 
  reform (or other goal I haven't thought of!).
   
  If the goal is to promote midwifery/birth reform, maybe they could all 
  have the MC website on them since that's the umbrella organisation.  If 
  the goal is to promote the specific organisation, then I'm not really sure how 
  this could be done.Does anyone have any 
  thoughts/feelings/ideas?I've collated a list of suggested slogans 
  below, but before slogans are debated, it's probably more important to discuss 
  goals & priorities.Jen"Push for birth 
  reform""I want 1-to-1 midwifery care""Midwives help people 
  out""Women in the know know a midwife" The NZ College of 
  Midwives sell 3 stickers for around $1 each:- Start life with a 
  midwife- I chose carefully, I chose a midwife- I'm a 
  midwifeMidwives Care! -Naturally!-PROUD TO BE A 
  MIDWIFESAY HELLO TO A MIDWIFE"midwives do it for 
  life""midwives do it .. naturally"'human milk for hu! man 
  babies'"the goddess or the birth machine - your choice"peace 
  on earth begins at birthMidwives: saving the earth, one baby at at 
  time 
  
  
  Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.

Re: [ozmidwifery] bumper stickers

[Barb Glare & Chris Bright]

Hi,
 
You can get fabulous "Human Milk for Human 
babies"
ones from the Australian Breastfeeding 
Association.
 
I had a fabulous sticker on my old car that said 
"midwives and Mothers Labour together"  I really liked that
 
Barb GlareMum of Zac, 11, Daniel 9, Cassie, 5 & Guan 1ABA 
Counsellor, Warrnambool, VicPoster and Calendar orders [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.abavic.asn.au
 
 
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Jen 
  Semple 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 5:58 
PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] bumper 
  stickers
  
  Seeking in-put from MC branches around Oz, consumer organisations, ASIM, 
  etc...
   
  ACMI is looking at printing bumper stickers & there's interest from 
  Midwives in Private Practice (MIPP in Victoria) & possibly MC (Vic) going 
  in together to do a massive print to reduce costs, have heaps of the same 
  stickers floating around on cars all around Oz, etc.
  Janine Clark (ACMI national student rep) & I are looking at 
  organising this... if anyone has any suggestions please let us 
  know!One question to think about/dicuss is if all of these 
  organisations (ACMI, MC, MIPP, ASIM, etc) are keen to get stickers 
  together, each sticker is not going to be able to have each organisation's 
  name on it.  So I think each organisation needs to discuss why they want 
  the stickers... to promote the organisation or to promote midwifery/birth 
  reform (or other goal I haven't thought of!).
   
  If the goal is to promote midwifery/birth reform, maybe they could all 
  have the MC website on them since that's the umbrella organisation.  If 
  the goal is to promote the specific organisation, then I'm not really sure how 
  this could be done.Does anyone have any 
  thoughts/feelings/ideas?I've collated a list of suggested slogans 
  below, but before slogans are debated, it's probably more important to discuss 
  goals & priorities.Jen"Push for birth 
  reform""I want 1-to-1 midwifery care""Midwives help people 
  out""Women in the know know a midwife" The NZ College of 
  Midwives sell 3 stickers for around $1 each:- Start life with a 
  midwife- I chose carefully, I chose a midwife- I'm a 
  midwifeMidwives Care! -Naturally!-PROUD TO BE A 
  MIDWIFESAY HELLO TO A MIDWIFE"midwives do it for 
  life""midwives do it .. naturally"'human milk for hu! man 
  babies'"the goddess or the birth machine - your choice"peace 
  on earth begins at birthMidwives: saving the earth, one baby at at 
  time 
  
  
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[ozmidwifery] bumper stickers

[Jen Semple]

Seeking in-put from MC branches around Oz, consumer organisations, ASIM, etc...
 
ACMI is looking at printing bumper stickers & there's interest from Midwives in Private Practice (MIPP in Victoria) & possibly MC (Vic) going in together to do a massive print to reduce costs, have heaps of the same stickers floating around on cars all around Oz, etc.
Janine Clark (ACMI national student rep) & I are looking at organising this... if anyone has any suggestions please let us know!One question to think about/dicuss is if all of these organisations (ACMI, MC, MIPP, ASIM, etc) are keen to get stickers together, each sticker is not going to be able to have each organisation's name on it.  So I think each organisation needs to discuss why they want the stickers... to promote the organisation or to promote midwifery/birth reform (or other goal I haven't thought of!).
 
If the goal is to promote midwifery/birth reform, maybe they could all have the MC website on them since that's the umbrella organisation.  If the goal is to promote the specific organisation, then I'm not really sure how this could be done.Does anyone have any thoughts/feelings/ideas?I've collated a list of suggested slogans below, but before slogans are debated, it's probably more important to discuss goals & priorities.Jen"Push for birth reform""I want 1-to-1 midwifery care""Midwives help people out""Women in the know know a midwife" The NZ College of Midwives sell 3 stickers for around $1 each:- Start life with a midwife- I chose carefully, I chose a midwife- I'm a midwifeMidwives Care! -Naturally!-PROUD TO BE A MIDWIFESAY HELLO TO A MIDWIFE"midwives do it for life""midwives do it .. naturally"'human milk for hu!
 man
 babies'"the goddess or the birth machine - your choice"peace on earth begins at birthMidwives: saving the earth, one baby at at time 
Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.

Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies!

[Aviva Sheb'a]

Yes! Well done, Kartini! I'm with you. I 
also call a belly a belly and we do belly laughs in my classes.
Love to all,
Aviva
- Original Message - 
From: Kartini 
Thomas 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 12:58 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies!

Aviva,I have a lot of 'wimmin' friends on the west coast of the united 
states who use "lady" to describe themselves, such as in "Hey, ladies, let's 
get on our bikes and paint the town"I think that, as has happened in 
the U.S. with the words 'queer' and 'nigger', you can take pejorative terms 
that were used against you and add your own meaning to them... it all 
depends on how you embody your definition. If I want to call myself lady, 
then a lady for me is a strong, laughing woman who is passionate about birth 
reform and delights in reading emails from midwives. How's that for a 
definition? Maybe a little utopic, but hey, it's the new year. If I think 
women are great, how can a 'lady' be bad?kartini
 
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[Lynne Staff]

If anyone out there knows Nicky Leap, they should ask her about an
experience she had with a little three year old aboriginal boy and wimmin!
It happened during the March 2000 Celebrating Midwifey tour.
- Original Message -
From: "Kartini Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 12:28 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies!


> Aviva,
> I have a lot of 'wimmin' friends on the west coast of the united states
who
> use "lady" to describe themselves, such as in "Hey, ladies, let's get on
our
> bikes and paint the town"
> I think that, as has happened in the U.S. with the words 'queer' and
> 'nigger', you can take pejorative terms that were used against you and add
> your own meaning to them... it all depends on how you embody your
> definition. If I want to call myself lady, then a lady for me is a strong,
> laughing woman who is passionate about birth reform and delights in
reading
> emails from midwives. How's that for a definition? Maybe a little utopic,
> but hey, it's the new year. If I think women are great, how can a 'lady'
be
> bad?
> kartini
>
>
>
> >From: "Aviva Sheb'a" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies!
> >Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 13:04:59 +1030
> >
> >It's only taken me a month to get around to looking up "Lady" in
Blackie's
> >Compact Etymological Dictionary.
> >
> >"Lady, n. O.E. hlaefdige, f. hlaf, bread, LOAF + (prob.) root dip- , as
in
> >Goth. deigan, to knead. DOUGH. LORD. Formerly, the mistress of a
household.
> >A female ruler; the Virgin Mary; a woman of high position in society or
of
> >good breeding; part of the custormary designation of certain women of
high
> >rank."
> >
> >Alas, it doesn't say exactly when the term came about, but O.E. being Old
> >English means it's a bloody long time ago.
> >I think Female Ruler is a good term for women, especially in labour and
> >birthing!
> >Female Ruler does not imply being at all submissive -- on the contrary,
it
> >implies just the opposite.
> >It doesn't say anything about sitting with the legs together. As a matter
> >of fact, one of the reasons long, full dresses were worn, was so that
women
> >-- ladies -- could sit with their legs apart without men getting carried
> >away, also it meant being able to wear sanitary pads, which were more
like
> >nappies, without it being obvious.
> >
> >Another entry:
> >"Girl" Origin obscure. A female child. No wonder I don't like being
> >referred to as a girl. Female children don't get much credit in our
society
> >as a rule.
> >
> >I love being a woman, a lady, a femme. Shall we reclaim the title, Lady?
> >
> >Aviva
> >
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: Denise Hynd
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 12:06 AM
> >Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies!
> >
> >
> >Dear kathleen
> >  I agree with what you say re Lady tagg.
> >
> >Can anyone with an etymological dictionary explain the derivation of
woman
> >I just here
> >WOE MAN when it is said and the rib from Adam stuff, man came/ comes
first
> >therefore women are God's afterthought??
> >
> >Denise
> >
> >   - Original Message -
> >   From: Kathleen Fahy
> >   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >   Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Carolyn Hastie ; Lyn Ebert
> >   Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 11:53 AM
> >   Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies!
> >
> >
> >   Dear Aviva,
> >
> >   I am one of those people who object to the term 'lady' and here is
why.
> >
> >   Lady is a term that has a particular set of expected behaviours.
Those
> >behaviours are the traditional feminine and submissive ones.  Some women
> >like behaving like ladies as it gains approval and assistance.  Other
women
> >don't like behaving in those ways, or at least not all the time.  In
other
> >words we don't want those expectations of behaviour put upon us by
others.
> >
> >   Thus, I cringe when I hear women who are the clients of midwifery
> >services referred to as 'ladies' instead of 'women'.  The concept of
woman
> >has not such behavioural expectations associated with it.
> >
> >   Best wishes,
> >
> >   Kathleen

Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies!

[Aviva Sheb'a]

It's only taken me a month to get around to 
looking up "Lady" in Blackie's Compact Etymological Dictionary.
 
"Lady, n. O.E. 
hlaefdige, f. hlaf, bread, LOAF + (prob.) root dip- , 
as in Goth. deigan, to knead. DOUGH. LORD. Formerly, the mistress of a 
household. A female ruler; the Virgin Mary; a woman of high position in society 
or of good breeding; part of the custormary designation of certain women of high 
rank." 
 
Alas, it doesn't say exactly when the term came 
about, but O.E. being Old English means it's a bloody long time ago. 

I think Female Ruler is a good term for women, 
especially in labour and birthing! 
Female Ruler does not imply being at all 
submissive -- on the contrary, it implies just the opposite. 
It doesn't say anything about sitting with the 
legs together. As a matter of fact, one of the reasons long, full dresses were 
worn, was so that women -- ladies -- could sit with their legs apart without men 
getting carried away, also it meant being able to wear sanitary pads, which were 
more like nappies, without it being obvious. 
 
Another entry:
"Girl" Origin obscure. A 
female child. No wonder I don't like being referred to as a girl. Female 
children don't get much credit in our society as a rule.
 
I love being a woman, a lady, a femme. Shall we 
reclaim the title, Lady?
 
Aviva
 
 
- Original Message - 
From: Denise 
Hynd 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies!

Dear kathleen
 I agree with what you say re Lady tagg.
 
Can anyone with an etymological dictionary explain the 
derivation of woman
I just here 
WOE MAN when it is said and the rib from Adam stuff, man 
came/ comes first therefore women are God's afterthought??
 
Denise

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kathleen Fahy 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Carolyn Hastie ; Lyn 
  Ebert 
  Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 11:53 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper 
  stickers for ladies!
  
  Dear Aviva,
   
  I am one of those people who object to the term 'lady' and here is 
  why.
   
  Lady is a term that has a particular set of expected behaviours.  
  Those behaviours are the traditional feminine and submissive ones.  Some 
  women like behaving like ladies as it gains approval and assistance.  
  Other women don't like behaving in those ways, or at least not all the 
  time.  In other words we don't want those expectations of behaviour put 
  upon us by others.
   
  Thus, I cringe when I hear women who are the clients of midwifery 
  services referred to as 'ladies' instead of 'women'.  The concept of 
  woman has not such behavioural expectations associated with it.
   
  Best wishes,
   
  Kathleen
   
  --Kathleen 
  FahyProfessor of MidwiferyHead of School of Nursing and 
  MidwiferyFaculty of HealthThe University of NewcastleUniversity 
  Drive,Callaghan, 2308
   
  Ph 02 49215966
   
  Fax 02 49216981>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/01/02 11:04am 
  >>>
  Hello, All,
   
  I refer to myself as a human being, a woman, as a lady, but most 
  importantly, as me. 
   
  One of my definitions of Woman: Woe to any man who attempts to harness 
  me!
   
  A very dear male friend of mine defines a lady as a woman who has the 
  patience to sit while the gentleman goes around to make her life just that 
  little bit easier for a moment, by opening the car door and hold it open for 
  her...to show his appreciation of her. After all, if she's wearing a dress, 
  &/or high heels, OR is pregnant, mothering, menopausing, PMT-ing, or 
  otherwise feeling in any way vulnerable, small acts like opening heavy doors 
  etc., can make her life easier. Personally, I like that. It was only when I 
  was pregnant with Leslie and found opening very heavy doors to public 
  buildings, and standing in trams became an issue for me, that I realised being 
  a lady DID NOT mean sitting with one's knees together, but meant allowing 
  others to make my life pleasanter.
   
  Enough of my prattling...I have some wonderful news! I'll put it in a 
  separate email, so for those who have had no interest in the lady bit will 
  still read it!
   
  Love to all the women, ladies, gents etc. on the list,
   
  Aviva
   
   
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  From: Denise 
  Hynd 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 8:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies!
  
   
  Dear Pinky 
  I enjoyed and then thought
  about what the title we use for  ourselves 
  means etymologically, overtly and co-vertly.
  Do I refer to myself as a Woman, lady or 
  girl??
  Which do I prefer and why.
  Possibly neither!Denise
   
   
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies!

[Aviva Sheb'a]

oh, you ain't seen nothin' yet! 
 {{ :-) 8O==|
aviva
- Original Message - 
From: Denise 
Hynd 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies!

Sounds like ahead of the fashion trends to 
me!!Denise
 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies!

[Aviva Sheb'a]

Yes, women, whatever we call ourselves, are truly awesome! 
Heck, we can bring forth life! As for god creating woman out of man's rib -- who 
are they trying to kid? The bible was written to teach people how to be decent 
human beings; it was never meant to be taken literally. The first words, in 
Hebrew (transliterated), B'reshith bara elohim, mean In the 
beginning were those most high. Plural, genderless. God, masculine 
singular, came much later. I've spent a lot of time in the Sinai and Negev 
deserts. Forty days and forty nights alone there would drive anybody 
nuts. 
 
In utter irreverence,
 
Aviva
- Original Message - 
From: Lynne 
Staff 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 8:19 AM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies!

Hmmman afterthought - that is good - 
after the first thought and looking at what happened, further thought went 
into woman and just look what happened!! (Women are pretty awsome, you have 
to admit!) 
 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies!

[Denise Hynd]

Touche
Words have so many meanings
Denise

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Lynne 
  Staff 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 8:49 
  AM
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Bumper 
  stickers for ladies!
  
  Hmmman afterthought - that is good - 
  after the first thought and looking at what happened, further thought 
  went into woman and just look what happened!! (Women are pretty awsome, 
  you have to admit!) 
  
-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On 
Behalf Of Aviva Sheb'aSent: Monday, 2 December 2002 11:35 
PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: 
[ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies!
Obviously you haven't seen me in sarong with workboots and 
thick socks! 
aviva
- Original Message - 
From: Denise Hynd 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for 
ladies!

Dear kathleen
 I agree with what you say re Lady 
tagg.
 
Can anyone with an etymological dictionary explain the 
derivation of woman
I just here 
WOE MAN when it is said and the rib from Adam stuff, 
man came/ comes first therefore women are God's afterthought??
 
Denise

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kathleen Fahy 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Carolyn Hastie ; Lyn Ebert 
  Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 11:53 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper 
  stickers for ladies!
  
  Dear Aviva,
   
  I am one of those people who object to the term 'lady' and here is 
  why.
   
  Lady is a term that has a particular set of expected 
  behaviours.  Those behaviours are the traditional feminine and 
  submissive ones.  Some women like behaving like ladies as it gains 
  approval and assistance.  Other women don't like behaving in those 
  ways, or at least not all the time.  In other words we don't want 
  those expectations of behaviour put upon us by others.
   
  Thus, I cringe when I hear women who are the clients of midwifery 
  services referred to as 'ladies' instead of 'women'.  The concept of 
  woman has not such behavioural expectations associated with it.
   
  Best wishes,
   
  Kathleen
   
  --Kathleen 
  FahyProfessor of MidwiferyHead of School of Nursing and 
  MidwiferyFaculty of HealthThe University of 
  NewcastleUniversity Drive,Callaghan, 2308
   
  Ph 02 49215966
   
  Fax 02 49216981>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/01/02 
  11:04am >>>
  Hello, All,
   
  I refer to myself as a human being, a woman, as a lady, but most 
  importantly, as me. 
   
  One of my definitions of Woman: Woe to any man who attempts to 
  harness me!
   
  A very dear male friend of mine defines a lady as a woman who has the 
  patience to sit while the gentleman goes around to make her life just that 
  little bit easier for a moment, by opening the car door and hold it open 
  for her...to show his appreciation of her. After all, if she's wearing a 
  dress, &/or high heels, OR is pregnant, mothering, menopausing, 
  PMT-ing, or otherwise feeling in any way vulnerable, small acts like 
  opening heavy doors etc., can make her life easier. Personally, I like 
  that. It was only when I was pregnant with Leslie and found opening very 
  heavy doors to public buildings, and standing in trams became an issue for 
  me, that I realised being a lady DID NOT mean sitting with one's knees 
  together, but meant allowing others to make my life pleasanter.
   
  Enough of my prattling...I have some wonderful news! I'll put it in a 
  separate email, so for those who have had no interest in the lady bit will 
  still read it!
   
  Love to all the women, ladies, gents etc. on the list,
   
  Aviva
   
   
  - Original Message - 
  From: Denise Hynd 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
      
  Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 8:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for 
  ladies!
  
   
  Dear Pinky 
  I enjoyed and then thought
  about what the title we use for  
  ourselves means etymologically, overtly and co-vertly.
  Do I refer to myself as a Woman, lady or 
  girl??
  Which do I prefer and why.
  Possibly neither!Denise
   
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies!

[Denise Hynd]

Sounds like ahead of the fashion trends to 
me!!Denise

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Aviva 
  Sheb'a 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 12:34 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper 
  stickers for ladies!
  
  Obviously you haven't seen me in sarong with workboots and 
  thick socks! 
  aviva
  - Original Message - 
  From: Denise 
  Hynd 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 12:06 AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies!
  
  Dear kathleen
   I agree with what you say re Lady 
  tagg.
   
  Can anyone with an etymological dictionary explain the 
  derivation of woman
  I just here 
  WOE MAN when it is said and the rib from Adam stuff, man 
  came/ comes first therefore women are God's afterthought??
   
  Denise
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Kathleen Fahy 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Carolyn Hastie ; Lyn Ebert 
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 11:53 
AM
    Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper 
stickers for ladies!

Dear Aviva,
 
I am one of those people who object to the term 'lady' and here is 
why.
 
Lady is a term that has a particular set of expected behaviours.  
Those behaviours are the traditional feminine and submissive ones.  
Some women like behaving like ladies as it gains approval and 
assistance.  Other women don't like behaving in those ways, or at least 
not all the time.  In other words we don't want those expectations of 
behaviour put upon us by others.
 
Thus, I cringe when I hear women who are the clients of midwifery 
services referred to as 'ladies' instead of 'women'.  The concept of 
woman has not such behavioural expectations associated with it.
 
Best wishes,
 
Kathleen
 
--Kathleen 
FahyProfessor of MidwiferyHead of School of Nursing and 
MidwiferyFaculty of HealthThe University of NewcastleUniversity 
Drive,Callaghan, 2308
 
Ph 02 49215966
 
Fax 02 49216981>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/01/02 
11:04am >>>
Hello, All,
 
I refer to myself as a human being, a woman, as a lady, but most 
importantly, as me. 
 
One of my definitions of Woman: Woe to any man who attempts to harness 
me!
 
A very dear male friend of mine defines a lady as a woman who has the 
patience to sit while the gentleman goes around to make her life just that 
little bit easier for a moment, by opening the car door and hold it open for 
her...to show his appreciation of her. After all, if she's wearing a dress, 
&/or high heels, OR is pregnant, mothering, menopausing, PMT-ing, or 
otherwise feeling in any way vulnerable, small acts like opening heavy doors 
etc., can make her life easier. Personally, I like that. It was only when I 
was pregnant with Leslie and found opening very heavy doors to public 
buildings, and standing in trams became an issue for me, that I realised 
being a lady DID NOT mean sitting with one's knees together, but meant 
allowing others to make my life pleasanter.
 
Enough of my prattling...I have some wonderful news! I'll put it in a 
separate email, so for those who have had no interest in the lady bit will 
still read it!
 
Love to all the women, ladies, gents etc. on the list,
 
Aviva
 
 
- Original Message - 
From: Denise Hynd 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for 
ladies!

 
Dear Pinky 
I enjoyed and then thought
about what the title we use for  ourselves 
means etymologically, overtly and co-vertly.
Do I refer to myself as a Woman, lady or 
girl??
Which do I prefer and why.
Possibly neither!Denise
 
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[Lynne Staff]

Hmmman afterthought - that is good - 
after the first thought and looking at what happened, further thought went 
into woman and just look what happened!! (Women are pretty awsome, you have 
to admit!) 

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Aviva 
  Sheb'aSent: Monday, 2 December 2002 11:35 PMTo: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper 
  stickers for ladies!
  Obviously you haven't seen me in sarong with workboots and 
  thick socks! 
  aviva
  - Original Message - 
  From: Denise 
  Hynd 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 12:06 AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies!
  
  Dear kathleen
   I agree with what you say re Lady 
  tagg.
   
  Can anyone with an etymological dictionary explain the 
  derivation of woman
  I just here 
  WOE MAN when it is said and the rib from Adam stuff, man 
  came/ comes first therefore women are God's afterthought??
   
  Denise
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Kathleen Fahy 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
; Carolyn Hastie ; Lyn Ebert 
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 11:53 
AM
    Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper 
stickers for ladies!

Dear Aviva,
 
I am one of those people who object to the term 'lady' and here is 
why.
 
Lady is a term that has a particular set of expected behaviours.  
Those behaviours are the traditional feminine and submissive ones.  
Some women like behaving like ladies as it gains approval and 
assistance.  Other women don't like behaving in those ways, or at least 
not all the time.  In other words we don't want those expectations of 
behaviour put upon us by others.
 
Thus, I cringe when I hear women who are the clients of midwifery 
services referred to as 'ladies' instead of 'women'.  The concept of 
woman has not such behavioural expectations associated with it.
 
Best wishes,
 
Kathleen
 
--Kathleen 
FahyProfessor of MidwiferyHead of School of Nursing and 
MidwiferyFaculty of HealthThe University of NewcastleUniversity 
Drive,Callaghan, 2308
 
Ph 02 49215966
 
Fax 02 49216981>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/01/02 
11:04am >>>
Hello, All,
 
I refer to myself as a human being, a woman, as a lady, but most 
importantly, as me. 
 
One of my definitions of Woman: Woe to any man who attempts to harness 
me!
 
A very dear male friend of mine defines a lady as a woman who has the 
patience to sit while the gentleman goes around to make her life just that 
little bit easier for a moment, by opening the car door and hold it open for 
her...to show his appreciation of her. After all, if she's wearing a dress, 
&/or high heels, OR is pregnant, mothering, menopausing, PMT-ing, or 
otherwise feeling in any way vulnerable, small acts like opening heavy doors 
etc., can make her life easier. Personally, I like that. It was only when I 
was pregnant with Leslie and found opening very heavy doors to public 
buildings, and standing in trams became an issue for me, that I realised 
being a lady DID NOT mean sitting with one's knees together, but meant 
allowing others to make my life pleasanter.
 
Enough of my prattling...I have some wonderful news! I'll put it in a 
separate email, so for those who have had no interest in the lady bit will 
still read it!
 
Love to all the women, ladies, gents etc. on the list,
 
Aviva
 
 
- Original Message - 
From: Denise Hynd 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for 
ladies!

 
Dear Pinky 
I enjoyed and then thought
about what the title we use for  ourselves 
means etymologically, overtly and co-vertly.
Do I refer to myself as a Woman, lady or 
girl??
Which do I prefer and why.
Possibly neither!Denise
 
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[Aviva Sheb'a]

Obviously you haven't seen me in sarong with workboots and 
thick socks! 
aviva
- Original Message - 
From: Denise 
Hynd 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies!

Dear kathleen
 I agree with what you say re Lady tagg.
 
Can anyone with an etymological dictionary explain the 
derivation of woman
I just here 
WOE MAN when it is said and the rib from Adam stuff, man 
came/ comes first therefore women are God's afterthought??
 
Denise

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kathleen Fahy 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Carolyn Hastie ; Lyn 
  Ebert 
  Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 11:53 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper 
  stickers for ladies!
  
  Dear Aviva,
   
  I am one of those people who object to the term 'lady' and here is 
  why.
   
  Lady is a term that has a particular set of expected behaviours.  
  Those behaviours are the traditional feminine and submissive ones.  Some 
  women like behaving like ladies as it gains approval and assistance.  
  Other women don't like behaving in those ways, or at least not all the 
  time.  In other words we don't want those expectations of behaviour put 
  upon us by others.
   
  Thus, I cringe when I hear women who are the clients of midwifery 
  services referred to as 'ladies' instead of 'women'.  The concept of 
  woman has not such behavioural expectations associated with it.
   
  Best wishes,
   
  Kathleen
   
  --Kathleen 
  FahyProfessor of MidwiferyHead of School of Nursing and 
  MidwiferyFaculty of HealthThe University of NewcastleUniversity 
  Drive,Callaghan, 2308
   
  Ph 02 49215966
   
  Fax 02 49216981>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/01/02 11:04am 
  >>>
  Hello, All,
   
  I refer to myself as a human being, a woman, as a lady, but most 
  importantly, as me. 
   
  One of my definitions of Woman: Woe to any man who attempts to harness 
  me!
   
  A very dear male friend of mine defines a lady as a woman who has the 
  patience to sit while the gentleman goes around to make her life just that 
  little bit easier for a moment, by opening the car door and hold it open for 
  her...to show his appreciation of her. After all, if she's wearing a dress, 
  &/or high heels, OR is pregnant, mothering, menopausing, PMT-ing, or 
  otherwise feeling in any way vulnerable, small acts like opening heavy doors 
  etc., can make her life easier. Personally, I like that. It was only when I 
  was pregnant with Leslie and found opening very heavy doors to public 
  buildings, and standing in trams became an issue for me, that I realised being 
  a lady DID NOT mean sitting with one's knees together, but meant allowing 
  others to make my life pleasanter.
   
  Enough of my prattling...I have some wonderful news! I'll put it in a 
  separate email, so for those who have had no interest in the lady bit will 
  still read it!
   
  Love to all the women, ladies, gents etc. on the list,
   
  Aviva
   
   
  - Original Message - 
  From: Denise 
  Hynd 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 8:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies!
  
   
  Dear Pinky 
  I enjoyed and then thought
  about what the title we use for  ourselves 
  means etymologically, overtly and co-vertly.
  Do I refer to myself as a Woman, lady or 
  girl??
  Which do I prefer and why.
  Possibly neither!Denise
   
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[Aviva Sheb'a]

I know a male matron...we, his friends call him "Mother Pete"!
- Original Message - 
From: Sally 
Westbury 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 6:16 PM
Subject: FW: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies!


We have a maternity 
hospital run by a ‘’ MATRON’..  who signs 
herself… nurse manager… it’s like the dark ages!
 
Sally 
Westbury
 
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[ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies !

[Gabrielle Williams]

Hearing the chorus of the midwife in birth suite 
offering encouragement to the birthing woman she has only just met today. "Good 
girl, you are doing so well". My heart weeps. The woman cries out "I can't do 
this". I offer to this women who I also may have just meet. "Change your mantra. 
"I am doing this". "You are a strong and powerful woman and you are about to 
become a mother". "You are doing It". 
Girls do not birth, women give birth in the 
transition to motherhood. The honour and power she receives from those unknown 
women in that transition is her beginning strength as a mother. Being a 'good 
girl' at this stage I don't think is much value.
 
Cheers
Gabrielle

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[Carol Thorogood]

That made the point rather well!,
 
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[Marilyn Kleidon]

I totally agree, feral Tina. Having always rejected 
being a lady myself, can't believe I've actually used the term. And, like 
Denise I am wondering about the derivation of woman. I suspect it is along the 
lines she outlined. a regular dictionary isn't very helpful.
 
Just an aside though, I have been at birth with 
some amazingly "ladylike" women in their non birthing life: I mean the full twin 
set and pearls, knees together routine  and they just dropped it at the 
door when it came to birth. Earth mothers in the birthing chamber. So, sometimes 
you never do know what really matters to someone until the cards are on the 
table, even with many hours of antenatal are.Or maybe because of, I mean being 
able to drop the "lady" persona at birth.
 
marilyn

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 6:05 
  PM
  Subject: Re: FW: [ozmidwifery] Bumper 
  stickers for ladies!
  In a message dated 30/11/02 9:34:47 PM AUS Eastern Daylight 
  Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  I also have discomfort when people must use a title on a form or 
in person!I feel Mrs Hynd was my mother in law  Why should woman and not the men have a title which 
indicates their matrimonial status any way??M/s I will use if I 
must!!Sister gives me the spinal creeps except from the elderly 
who can't help themselves and I can't waste my energy correcting though I 
ask them to address me as Denise.Though I got Sister Denise in PNG.when I was with a family who had previously been in Texas 
I was "Miss Denise" I felt this was charming out of the mouths of the 
children?DeniseHi Denise and alloh how I find all this really 
  interestinga midiwfe friend shared her experience once of a local OB who 
  insisted on calling her 'Sister'.this woman certainly did not enjoy his 
  reference to her as sister...and after repeated requests that the Dr. call her 
  by name and no progressshe replied to him one day"yes no worries 
  bro"..and what a response this provoked...he quickly got the hint and from 
  that point on only referred to her by her name:-))With regards to 
  the lady thing.this is a term that really gets my hackles upmost of 
  the time its said with the best of intentions and I respect this...but I think 
  as Kathleen says...it is a term that comes with many connotations and 
  expectations that women will be 'good girls'subordinatesubmissive, 
  passive etcI hear Dr.s refer to their 'ladies' all the time.'Ladies' 
  congers up for me the 'too posh to push' senario...Birthing women need to lose 
  themselves in labourdig deep for the 'wild woman within'  and express 
  themselves however it works for them to birth their babies...it is expected 
  that ladies don't sweardon't shout, don't make noise, don't shit, don't 
  get their clothes off and walk around naked in front of others...expose their 
  genitals.if birth was 'lady-like'...and all women were expected to behave 
  like ladiesOhI shudder to think what would become of birth 
  then...yours in birth,feral TinaXX 

Re: FW: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies!

[TinaPettigrew]

In a message dated 30/11/02 9:34:47 PM AUS Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


I also have discomfort when people must use a title on a form or in person!


I feel Mrs Hynd was my mother in law  


Why should woman and not the men have a title which indicates their matrimonial status any way??
M/s I will use if I must!!


Sister gives me the spinal creeps except from the elderly who can't help themselves and I can't waste my energy correcting though I ask them to address me as Denise.


Though I got Sister Denise in PNG.


 when I was with a family who had previously been in Texas I was "Miss Denise" I felt this was charming out of the mouths of the children?


 


Denise


Hi Denise and alloh how I find all this really interestinga midiwfe friend shared her experience once of a local OB who insisted on calling her 'Sister'.this woman certainly did not enjoy his reference to her as sister...and after repeated requests that the Dr. call her by name and no progressshe replied to him one day"yes no worries bro"..and what a response this provoked...he quickly got the hint and from that point on only referred to her by her name:-))

With regards to the lady thing.this is a term that really gets my hackles upmost of the time its said with the best of intentions and I respect this...but I think as Kathleen says...it is a term that comes with many connotations and expectations that women will be 'good girls'subordinatesubmissive, passive etcI hear Dr.s refer to their 'ladies' all the time.'Ladies' congers up for me the 'too posh to push' senario...Birthing women need to lose themselves in labourdig deep for the 'wild woman within'  and express themselves however it works for them to birth their babies...it is expected that ladies don't sweardon't shout, don't make noise, don't shit, don't get their clothes off and walk around naked in front of others...expose their genitals.if birth was 'lady-like'...and all women were expected to behave like ladiesOhI shudder to think what would become of birth then...

yours in birth,
feral TinaXX

Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies!

[Marilyn Kleidon]

Kathleen: I totally agree with everything you say AND 
have to admit to a little cringe at my own writing especially to ozmid. I 
remember referring to many of the women who I have attended as "ladies/lady", I 
think because in the context it felt warmer to me than women/woman. It certainly 
wasn't an opinion or judgement on their behavior, but eek! I can see how from 
someone NOT inside my head it could have appeared to have been. OOPS!!  
Language is such a value added subjective medium. Personally, I have had this 
battle all of my life between speaking how I feel, and speaking "correctly". it 
used to be as simply as preferring "gunna" to "going to" as a kid, and now it is 
so much more and rightfully so.
 
such is life
 
marilyn

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kathleen Fahy 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; 
  Carolyn Hastie ; Lyn 
  Ebert 
  Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 4:53 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper 
  stickers for ladies!
  
  Dear Aviva,
   
  I am one of those people who object to the term 'lady' and here is 
  why.
   
  Lady is a term that has a particular set of expected behaviours.  
  Those behaviours are the traditional feminine and submissive ones.  Some 
  women like behaving like ladies as it gains approval and assistance.  
  Other women don't like behaving in those ways, or at least not all the 
  time.  In other words we don't want those expectations of behaviour put 
  upon us by others.
   
  Thus, I cringe when I hear women who are the clients of midwifery 
  services referred to as 'ladies' instead of 'women'.  The concept of 
  woman has not such behavioural expectations associated with it.
   
  Best wishes,
   
  Kathleen
   
  --Kathleen 
  FahyProfessor of MidwiferyHead of School of Nursing and 
  MidwiferyFaculty of HealthThe University of NewcastleUniversity 
  Drive,Callaghan, 2308
   
  Ph 02 49215966
   
  Fax 02 49216981>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/01/02 11:04am 
  >>>
  Hello, All,
   
  I refer to myself as a human being, a woman, as a lady, but most 
  importantly, as me. 
   
  One of my definitions of Woman: Woe to any man who attempts to harness 
  me!
   
  A very dear male friend of mine defines a lady as a woman who has the 
  patience to sit while the gentleman goes around to make her life just that 
  little bit easier for a moment, by opening the car door and hold it open for 
  her...to show his appreciation of her. After all, if she's wearing a dress, 
  &/or high heels, OR is pregnant, mothering, menopausing, PMT-ing, or 
  otherwise feeling in any way vulnerable, small acts like opening heavy doors 
  etc., can make her life easier. Personally, I like that. It was only when I 
  was pregnant with Leslie and found opening very heavy doors to public 
  buildings, and standing in trams became an issue for me, that I realised being 
  a lady DID NOT mean sitting with one's knees together, but meant allowing 
  others to make my life pleasanter.
   
  Enough of my prattling...I have some wonderful news! I'll put it in a 
  separate email, so for those who have had no interest in the lady bit will 
  still read it!
   
  Love to all the women, ladies, gents etc. on the list,
   
  Aviva
   
   
  - Original Message - 
  From: Denise 
  Hynd 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 8:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies!
  
   
  Dear Pinky 
  I enjoyed and then thought
  about what the title we use for  ourselves 
  means etymologically, overtly and co-vertly.
  Do I refer to myself as a Woman, lady or 
  girl??
  Which do I prefer and why.
  Possibly neither!Denise
   
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[Pinky McKay]

Nice definition Aviva - and Congratulations!!! on 
your "baby" - Happy birthday to Leslie,
pinky

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Aviva 
  Sheb'a 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 11:04 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper 
  stickers for ladies!
  
  Hello, All,
   
  I refer to myself as a human being, a woman, as a lady, but most 
  importantly, as me. 
   
  One of my definitions of Woman: Woe to any man who attempts to harness 
  me!
   
  A very dear male friend of mine defines a lady as a woman who has the 
  patience to sit while the gentleman goes around to make her life just that 
  little bit easier for a moment, by opening the car door and hold it open for 
  her...to show his appreciation of her. After all, if she's wearing a dress, 
  &/or high heels, OR is pregnant, mothering, menopausing, PMT-ing, or 
  otherwise feeling in any way vulnerable, small acts like opening heavy doors 
  etc., can make her life easier. Personally, I like that. It was only when I 
  was pregnant with Leslie and found opening very heavy doors to public 
  buildings, and standing in trams became an issue for me, that I realised being 
  a lady DID NOT mean sitting with one's knees together, but meant allowing 
  others to make my life pleasanter.
   
  Enough of my prattling...I have some wonderful news! I'll put it in a 
  separate email, so for those who have had no interest in the lady bit will 
  still read it!
   
  Love to all the women, ladies, gents etc. on the list,
   
  Aviva
   
   
  - Original Message - 
  From: Denise 
  Hynd 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 8:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies!
  
   
  Dear Pinky 
  I enjoyed and then thought
  about what the title we use for  ourselves 
  means etymologically, overtly and co-vertly.
  Do I refer to myself as a Woman, lady or 
  girl??
  Which do I prefer and why.
  Possibly neither!Denise
   
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[Denise Hynd]

Dear kathleen
 I agree with what you say re Lady tagg.
 
Can anyone with an etymological dictionary explain the 
derivation of woman
I just here 
WOE MAN when it is said and the rib from Adam stuff, man 
came/ comes first therefore women are God's afterthought??
 
Denise 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kathleen Fahy 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Carolyn Hastie ; Lyn 
  Ebert 
  Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 11:53 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper 
  stickers for ladies!
  
  Dear Aviva,
   
  I am one of those people who object to the term 'lady' and here is 
  why.
   
  Lady is a term that has a particular set of expected behaviours.  
  Those behaviours are the traditional feminine and submissive ones.  Some 
  women like behaving like ladies as it gains approval and assistance.  
  Other women don't like behaving in those ways, or at least not all the 
  time.  In other words we don't want those expectations of behaviour put 
  upon us by others.
   
  Thus, I cringe when I hear women who are the clients of midwifery 
  services referred to as 'ladies' instead of 'women'.  The concept of 
  woman has not such behavioural expectations associated with it.
   
  Best wishes,
   
  Kathleen
   
  --Kathleen 
  FahyProfessor of MidwiferyHead of School of Nursing and 
  MidwiferyFaculty of HealthThe University of NewcastleUniversity 
  Drive,Callaghan, 2308
   
  Ph 02 49215966
   
  Fax 02 49216981>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/01/02 11:04am 
  >>>
  Hello, All,
   
  I refer to myself as a human being, a woman, as a lady, but most 
  importantly, as me. 
   
  One of my definitions of Woman: Woe to any man who attempts to harness 
  me!
   
  A very dear male friend of mine defines a lady as a woman who has the 
  patience to sit while the gentleman goes around to make her life just that 
  little bit easier for a moment, by opening the car door and hold it open for 
  her...to show his appreciation of her. After all, if she's wearing a dress, 
  &/or high heels, OR is pregnant, mothering, menopausing, PMT-ing, or 
  otherwise feeling in any way vulnerable, small acts like opening heavy doors 
  etc., can make her life easier. Personally, I like that. It was only when I 
  was pregnant with Leslie and found opening very heavy doors to public 
  buildings, and standing in trams became an issue for me, that I realised being 
  a lady DID NOT mean sitting with one's knees together, but meant allowing 
  others to make my life pleasanter.
   
  Enough of my prattling...I have some wonderful news! I'll put it in a 
  separate email, so for those who have had no interest in the lady bit will 
  still read it!
   
  Love to all the women, ladies, gents etc. on the list,
   
  Aviva
   
   
  - Original Message - 
  From: Denise 
  Hynd 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 8:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies!
  
   
  Dear Pinky 
  I enjoyed and then thought
  about what the title we use for  ourselves 
  means etymologically, overtly and co-vertly.
  Do I refer to myself as a Woman, lady or 
  girl??
  Which do I prefer and why.
  Possibly neither!Denise
   
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[Kathleen Fahy]

Dear Aviva,
 
I am one of those people who object to the term 'lady' and here is 
why.
 
Lady is a term that has a particular set of expected behaviours.  
Those behaviours are the traditional feminine and submissive ones.  Some 
women like behaving like ladies as it gains approval and assistance.  Other 
women don't like behaving in those ways, or at least not all the time.  In 
other words we don't want those expectations of behaviour put upon us by 
others.
 
Thus, I cringe when I hear women who are the clients of midwifery services 
referred to as 'ladies' instead of 'women'.  The concept of woman has not 
such behavioural expectations associated with it.
 
Best wishes,
 
Kathleen
 
--Kathleen 
FahyProfessor of MidwiferyHead of School of Nursing and 
MidwiferyFaculty of HealthThe University of NewcastleUniversity 
Drive,Callaghan, 2308
 
Ph 02 49215966
 
Fax 02 49216981>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/01/02 11:04am 
>>>
Hello, All,
 
I refer to myself as a human being, a woman, as a lady, but most 
importantly, as me. 
 
One of my definitions of Woman: Woe to any man who attempts to harness 
me!
 
A very dear male friend of mine defines a lady as a woman who has the 
patience to sit while the gentleman goes around to make her life just that 
little bit easier for a moment, by opening the car door and hold it open for 
her...to show his appreciation of her. After all, if she's wearing a dress, 
&/or high heels, OR is pregnant, mothering, menopausing, PMT-ing, or 
otherwise feeling in any way vulnerable, small acts like opening heavy doors 
etc., can make her life easier. Personally, I like that. It was only when I was 
pregnant with Leslie and found opening very heavy doors to public buildings, and 
standing in trams became an issue for me, that I realised being a lady DID NOT 
mean sitting with one's knees together, but meant allowing others to make my 
life pleasanter.
 
Enough of my prattling...I have some wonderful news! I'll put it in a 
separate email, so for those who have had no interest in the lady bit will still 
read it!
 
Love to all the women, ladies, gents etc. on the list,
 
Aviva
 
 
- Original Message - 
From: Denise 
Hynd 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies!

 
Dear Pinky 
I enjoyed and then thought
about what the title we use for  ourselves 
means etymologically, overtly and co-vertly.
Do I refer to myself as a Woman, lady or 
girl??
Which do I prefer and why.
Possibly neither!Denise
 
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[Rhonda]

  Speaking of generation differences - my father in law when he was 
  alive (he died a couple of yrs ago aged 82) He would call girls or ladies 
  "Tarts"  He meant it in an affectionate way and did not see it as 
  demeaning.
  He was very religious and was born here on the farm and lived here 
  all his life.  He had lived a somewhat sheltered life and had 
  some classic ways of saying things the most funny to us was when he 
  would speak of 'going to the shops and being served by a young 
tart.'
  I don't really care what word is used to refer to me or anyone so 
  long as the sentiment is right.  He never realised that it was 
  derogatory at all and never meant it to be.  
  Being nice to someone is so much more important than being 
  politically correct or even getting their name right.  So call me 
  what you will but do it in a nice way! LOL
   
  Regards
  Rhonda
   
   
  ---Original Message---
   
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: Saturday, 
  November 30, 2002 22:48:11
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: 
  [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies!
   
  I don't know but for the lasy 24 yrs when I 
  was in the US, it seemed to me that "gals" only came out of the mouths of 
  people who were from the poodle skirt/bobby sox generation and coming of 
  age in 1968, I  was a little more flower power, "gals" always 
  felt sexist to me. But you know, whatever??? Very subjective. Quite 
  frankly I loved the way midwives here referred to each other as "the 
  girls" whether the "girls" were 25 or 65 when I came back. It never felt 
  demeaning or sexist. But I guess it could be. So, I prefer "girls" to 
  "gals" by heaps... 
  but really like being called marilyn (though 
  when I was little the other kids couldn't say it so I was most often 
  called maldren and in the US have been called Maryland (don't like that at 
  all) and by some  merrilyn which I have to really listen to to catch 
  the difference. Hey! at least we don't have to wear the veil. I remember 
  my mum going from the linen/voil veil to the paper one. And that was after 
  the war when she wore the cutist kahki jumpsuit, boots and great leather 
  belt as well as a revolver. It must have been quite a change. The jumpsuit 
  was comfy and cool 'cos I wore it in the 70's to uni. 
  Unfortunately, I grew out of it. What in a name she says
   
  heaps
   
  marilyn
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Denise Hynd 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
    
    Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 
7:17 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper 
stickers for ladies!

Dear PinkyRight on gals
I like from my US friends.
 
 
I also have discomfort when people must use 
a title on a form or in person!
I feel Mrs Hynd was my mother in law  

Why should 
woman and not the men have a title which indicates their matrimonial 
status any way??M/s I will use if I must!!
Sister gives me the spinal creeps except 
from the elderly who can't help themselves and I can't waste my energy 
correcting though I ask them to address me as Denise.
Though I got Sister Denise in 
PNG.
 when I 
was with a family who had previously been in Texas I was "Miss 
Denise" I felt this was charming out of the mouths of the 
children?
 
Denise
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Pinky McKay 
      To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 
  10:21 AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper 
  stickers for ladies!
  
  Hi Denise - yep - I dont see any of these 
  titles as quite right for me either -all a bit generic really! 
  
  Always aspired to being a "lady" when I 
  was a tomboy kid striving to grow up but somehow didnt have the 
  makings - supression of expression/ restraint of exuberance (sitting 
  quietly- knees together) wasnt achievable (my mother used to sigh 
  with defeat and say, Pinky, you swear and curse like a man!). I'm 
  long past "girl" ; 'woman' is just a term for gender, not a 
  title and it dpends who's saying it -  although I like "I am 
  woman, I am invincible," -  "cook me some eggs, woman!" al la 
  'Once were Warriors' is not the kind of title I aspire to 
  e

FW: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies!

[Sally Westbury]

We have a maternity hospital run by a ‘’
MATRON’.. 
who signs herself… nurse manager… it’s
like the dark ages!

 

Sally Westbury

 

-Original Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Denise Hynd
Sent: Friday, 29 November 2002
11:17 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper
stickers for ladies!

 



Dear Pinky
Right on gals





I like from my US friends.





 





 





I also have discomfort when people must use a title on a
form or in person!





I feel Mrs Hynd was my mother in law  





Why should woman and not the men have a title which
indicates their matrimonial status any way??
M/s I will use if I must!!





Sister gives me the spinal creeps except from the elderly
who can't help themselves and I can't waste my energy correcting though I ask
them to address me as Denise.





Though I got Sister Denise in PNG.





 when I was with a family who had previously been in
Texas I was "Miss Denise" I felt this was charming out of the
mouths of the children?





 





Denise






 







- Original Message - 





From: Pinky
McKay 





To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 





Sent: Friday, November
29, 2002 10:21 AM





Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery]
Bumper stickers for ladies!





 





Hi Denise - yep - I dont see any of these titles as quite
right for me either -all a bit generic really! 





Always aspired to being a "lady" when I was a
tomboy kid striving to grow up but somehow didnt have the makings - supression
of expression/ restraint of exuberance (sitting quietly- knees
together) wasnt achievable (my mother used to sigh with defeat and say,
Pinky, you swear and curse like a man!). I'm long past "girl" ;
'woman' is just a term for gender, not a title and it dpends who's saying
it -  although I like "I am woman, I am invincible," -
 "cook me some eggs, woman!" al la 'Once were Warriors' is not
the kind of title I aspire to either!  





 





'Lady' Pinky (Has a ring to it!!)







- Original Message - 





From: Denise
Hynd 





To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 





Sent: Thursday, November
28, 2002 9:08 PM





Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery]
Bumper stickers for ladies!





 





 





Dear Pinky 





I enjoyed and then thought





about what the title we use for  ourselves means
etymologically, overtly and co-vertly.





Do I refer to myself as a Woman, lady or girl??





Which do I prefer and why.





Possibly neither!
Denise







- Original Message - 





From: Pinky
McKay 





To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 





Sent: Thursday, November
28, 2002 11:23 PM





Subject: [ozmidwifery]
Bumper stickers for ladies!





 






 
  
  
  Enjoy !
  
  
  Pinky
   
  
  
  Bumper Stickers for Ladies 
  
  
   
  
  
   BEHIND EVERY
  SUCCESSFUL WOMAN IS HERSELF
   
   OH
  MY GOD, I THINK I'M BECOMING THE MAN I WANTED TO MARRY!
   
   GINGER
  ROGERS DID EVERYTHING FRED ASTAIRE DID, BUT SHE DID IT  BACKWARDS AND IN
  HIGH HEELS
   
   A WOMAN IS LIKE A TEA BAG...YOU DON'T KNOW HOW STRONG SHE
  IS UNTIL  YOU PUT HER IN HOT WATER
  
   I
  HAVE YET TO HEAR A MAN ASK FOR ADVICE ON HOW TO COMBINE MARRIAGE  AND A
  CAREER
  
   SO
  MANY MEN, SO FEW WHO CAN AFFORD ME
  
   COFFEE,
  CHOCOLATE, MEN ... SOME THINGS ARE JUST BETTER RICH
  
   DON'T
  TREAT ME ANY DIFFERENTLY THAN YOU WOULD THE QUEEN
  
   I'M
  OUT OF ESTROGEN AND I HAVE A GUN
  
   WARNING: I HAVE AN ATTITUDE AND I KNOW
  HOW TO USE IT
  
   OF COURSE I DON'T LOOK BUSY...I DID
  IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME
  
   DO
  NOT START WITH ME. YOU WILL NOT WIN
  
   ALL
  STRESSED OUT AND NO ONE TO CHOKE
  
   I
  CAN BE ONE OF THOSE BAD THINGS THAT HAPPENS TO BAD PEOPLE
  
   HOW
  CAN I MISS YOU IF YOU WON'T GO AWAY?
  
   DON'T
  UPSET ME! I'M RUNNING OUT OF PLACES TO HIDE THE BODIES
  
   And last but not least:
  
   IF
  YOU WANT BREAKFAST IN BED, SLEEP IN THE KITCHEN   
  
  
   
  
  
 
 
  
  
   

 


 


 

   
  
  
  
 


 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies!

[Marilyn Kleidon]

I don't know but for the lasy 24 yrs when I was in 
the US, it seemed to me that "gals" only came out of the mouths of people who 
were from the poodle skirt/bobby sox generation and coming of age in 1968, 
I  was a little more flower power, "gals" always felt sexist to me. 
But you know, whatever??? Very subjective. Quite frankly I loved the way 
midwives here referred to each other as "the girls" whether the "girls" were 25 
or 65 when I came back. It never felt demeaning or sexist. But I guess it could 
be. So, I prefer "girls" to "gals" by heaps... 
but really like being called marilyn (though when I 
was little the other kids couldn't say it so I was most often called maldren and 
in the US have been called Maryland (don't like that at all) and by some  
merrilyn which I have to really listen to to catch the difference. Hey! at least 
we don't have to wear the veil. I remember my mum going from the linen/voil veil 
to the paper one. And that was after the war when she wore the cutist kahki 
jumpsuit, boots and great leather belt as well as a revolver. It must have been 
quite a change. The jumpsuit was comfy and cool 'cos I wore it in the 
70's to uni. Unfortunately, I grew out of it. What in a name she 
says
 
heaps
 
marilyn

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Denise Hynd 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 7:17 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper 
  stickers for ladies!
  
  Dear PinkyRight on gals
  I like from my US friends.
   
   
  I also have discomfort when people must use a 
  title on a form or in person!
  I feel Mrs Hynd was my mother in law  
  
  Why should woman 
  and not the men have a title which indicates their matrimonial status any 
  way??M/s I will use if I must!!
  Sister gives me the spinal creeps except from the 
  elderly who can't help themselves and I can't waste my energy correcting 
  though I ask them to address me as Denise.
  Though I got Sister Denise in PNG.
   when I was 
  with a family who had previously been in Texas I was "Miss Denise" I felt 
  this was charming out of the mouths of the children?
   
  Denise
   
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Pinky McKay 
    To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 10:21 
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper 
stickers for ladies!

Hi Denise - yep - I dont see any of these 
titles as quite right for me either -all a bit generic really! 
Always aspired to being a "lady" when I was a 
tomboy kid striving to grow up but somehow didnt have the makings - 
supression of expression/ restraint of exuberance (sitting quietly- knees 
together) wasnt achievable (my mother used to sigh with defeat and say, 
Pinky, you swear and curse like a man!). I'm long past "girl" ; 'woman' 
is just a term for gender, not a title and it dpends who's saying it 
-  although I like "I am woman, I am invincible," -  "cook me some 
eggs, woman!" al la 'Once were Warriors' is not the kind of title I aspire 
to either!  
 
'Lady' Pinky (Has a ring to it!!)

  ----- Original Message - 
  From: 
  Denise Hynd 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 
  9:08 PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper 
  stickers for ladies!
  
   
  Dear Pinky 
  I enjoyed and then thought
  about what the title we use for  
  ourselves means etymologically, overtly and co-vertly.
  Do I refer to myself as a Woman, lady or 
  girl??
  Which do I prefer and why.
  Possibly neither!Denise
  
    - Original Message - 
    From: 
Pinky McKay 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 
11:23 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Bumper 
stickers for ladies!



  
  

  Enjoy !
  Pinky 
  Bumper Stickers for Ladies 
  
   BEHIND EVERY SUCCESSFUL WOMAN IS 
  HERSELF  OH MY GOD, I THINK I'M 
  BECOMING THE MAN I WANTED TO MARRY!  GINGER ROGERS 
  DID EVERYTHING FRED ASTAIRE DID, BUT SHE DID IT  BACKWARDS 
  AND IN HIGH HEELS  A WOMAN IS LIKE A TEA BAG...YOU DON'T KNOW HOW 
  STRONG SHE IS UNTIL  YOU PUT HER IN HOT 
  WATER I 
  HAVE YET TO HEAR A MAN ASK FOR ADVICE ON HOW TO COMBINE 
  MARRIAGE  AND A 
  CAREER SO 
  MANY MEN, SO FEW WHO CAN AFFORD ME COFFEE, CHOCOLATE, MEN ... SOME THINGS ARE JUST 
  BETTER RICH DON'T TREAT ME 
  ANY DIFFERENTLY THAN YOU WOULD THE 
  QUEEN I&#x

Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies!

[Denise Hynd]

Dear PinkyRight on gals
I like from my US friends.
 
 
I also have discomfort when people must use a title 
on a form or in person!
I feel Mrs Hynd was my mother in law  

Why should woman and 
not the men have a title which indicates their matrimonial status any 
way??M/s I will use if I must!!
Sister gives me the spinal creeps except from the 
elderly who can't help themselves and I can't waste my energy correcting though 
I ask them to address me as Denise.
Though I got Sister Denise in PNG.
 when I was 
with a family who had previously been in Texas I was "Miss Denise" I felt 
this was charming out of the mouths of the children?
 
Denise
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Pinky McKay 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 10:21 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper 
  stickers for ladies!
  
  Hi Denise - yep - I dont see any of these titles 
  as quite right for me either -all a bit generic really! 
  Always aspired to being a "lady" when I was a 
  tomboy kid striving to grow up but somehow didnt have the makings - supression 
  of expression/ restraint of exuberance (sitting quietly- knees 
  together) wasnt achievable (my mother used to sigh with defeat and say, 
  Pinky, you swear and curse like a man!). I'm long past "girl" ; 'woman' 
  is just a term for gender, not a title and it dpends who's saying it 
  -  although I like "I am woman, I am invincible," -  "cook me some 
  eggs, woman!" al la 'Once were Warriors' is not the kind of title I aspire to 
  either!  
   
  'Lady' Pinky (Has a ring to it!!)
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Denise Hynd 
    To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

    Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 9:08 
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper 
stickers for ladies!

 
Dear Pinky 
I enjoyed and then thought
about what the title we use for  ourselves 
means etymologically, overtly and co-vertly.
Do I refer to myself as a Woman, lady or 
girl??
Which do I prefer and why.
Possibly neither!Denise

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Pinky McKay 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 
  11:23 PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Bumper 
  stickers for ladies!
  
  
  


  
Enjoy !
Pinky 
Bumper Stickers for Ladies 

 BEHIND EVERY SUCCESSFUL WOMAN IS 
HERSELF  OH MY GOD, I THINK I'M 
BECOMING THE MAN I WANTED TO MARRY!  GINGER ROGERS 
DID EVERYTHING FRED ASTAIRE DID, BUT SHE DID IT  BACKWARDS AND 
IN HIGH HEELS  A WOMAN IS LIKE A TEA BAG...YOU DON'T KNOW HOW STRONG 
SHE IS UNTIL  YOU PUT HER IN HOT 
WATER I 
HAVE YET TO HEAR A MAN ASK FOR ADVICE ON HOW TO COMBINE 
MARRIAGE  AND A 
CAREER SO 
MANY MEN, SO FEW WHO CAN AFFORD ME COFFEE, CHOCOLATE, MEN ... SOME THINGS ARE JUST BETTER 
RICH DON'T TREAT ME ANY 
DIFFERENTLY THAN YOU WOULD THE 
QUEEN I'M 
OUT OF ESTROGEN AND I HAVE A GUN WARNING: I HAVE AN 
ATTITUDE AND I KNOW HOW TO USE IT OF COURSE I 
DON'T LOOK BUSY...I DID IT RIGHT THE FIRST 
TIME DO NOT 
START WITH ME. YOU WILL NOT 
WIN ALL 
STRESSED OUT AND NO ONE TO 
CHOKE I CAN 
BE ONE OF THOSE BAD THINGS THAT HAPPENS TO BAD 
PEOPLE HOW 
CAN I MISS YOU IF YOU WON'T GO 
AWAY? DON'T 
UPSET ME! I'M RUNNING OUT OF PLACES TO HIDE THE 
BODIES And last but not 
least: IF YOU WANT 
BREAKFAST IN BED, SLEEP IN THE KITCHEN   

 

  

  
  

Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies!

[Judy Chapman]

To me the expression 'girls' has more than the meaning of young woman these days. Seems to me that it can mean a group of woman who are friendly and have a common bond of one sort or other. I actually don't mind being 'one of the girls'. Guess it helps me feel young again. 
Judy



From: "Pinky McKay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies! 
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 10:21:50 +1100 

Hi Denise - yep - I dont see any of these titles as quite right for me either -all a bit generic really! 
Always aspired to being a "lady" when I was a tomboy kid striving to grow up but somehow didnt have the makings - supression of expression/ restraint of exuberance (sitting quietly- knees together) wasnt achievable (my mother used to sigh with defeat and say, Pinky, you swear and curse like a man!). I'm long past "girl" ; 'woman' is just a term for gender, not a title and it dpends who's saying it - although I like "I am woman, I am invincible," - "cook me some eggs, woman!" al la 'Once were Warriors' is not the kind of title I aspire to either! 

'Lady' Pinky (Has a ring to it!!) 




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Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies!

[Laraine Hood]

Dear Pinky, THANKYOU.  I was having a 
miserable start to my day then read your bumper stickers and had a great 
laugh!  I think the lack of oestrogen applied this morning.  Thanks, 
Laraine

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Pinky McKay 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 8:23 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers 
  for ladies!
  
  
  

  
Enjoy !
Pinky 
Bumper Stickers for Ladies 

 BEHIND EVERY SUCCESSFUL WOMAN IS 
HERSELF  OH MY GOD, I THINK I'M 
BECOMING THE MAN I WANTED TO MARRY!  GINGER ROGERS DID 
EVERYTHING FRED ASTAIRE DID, BUT SHE DID IT  BACKWARDS AND IN HIGH 
HEELS  A WOMAN IS LIKE A TEA BAG...YOU DON'T KNOW HOW STRONG SHE 
IS UNTIL  YOU PUT HER IN HOT 
WATER I HAVE 
YET TO HEAR A MAN ASK FOR ADVICE ON HOW TO COMBINE MARRIAGE  AND A 
CAREER SO MANY 
MEN, SO FEW WHO CAN AFFORD ME COFFEE, CHOCOLATE, MEN ... SOME THINGS ARE JUST BETTER 
RICH DON'T TREAT ME ANY 
DIFFERENTLY THAN YOU WOULD THE QUEEN I'M OUT OF ESTROGEN AND I HAVE A 
GUN WARNING: I HAVE AN ATTITUDE AND I 
KNOW HOW TO USE IT OF COURSE I DON'T 
LOOK BUSY...I DID IT RIGHT THE FIRST 
TIME DO NOT 
START WITH ME. YOU WILL NOT 
WIN ALL 
STRESSED OUT AND NO ONE TO 
CHOKE I CAN BE 
ONE OF THOSE BAD THINGS THAT HAPPENS TO BAD 
PEOPLE HOW CAN 
I MISS YOU IF YOU WON'T GO 
AWAY? DON'T 
UPSET ME! I'M RUNNING OUT OF PLACES TO HIDE THE 
BODIES And last but not 
least: IF YOU WANT 
BREAKFAST IN BED, SLEEP IN THE KITCHEN   

 

  

  
  

Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies!

[Pinky McKay]

Hi Denise - yep - I dont see any of these titles as 
quite right for me either -all a bit generic really! 
Always aspired to being a "lady" when I was a 
tomboy kid striving to grow up but somehow didnt have the makings - supression 
of expression/ restraint of exuberance (sitting quietly- knees 
together) wasnt achievable (my mother used to sigh with defeat and say, 
Pinky, you swear and curse like a man!). I'm long past "girl" ; 'woman' is 
just a term for gender, not a title and it dpends who's saying it -  
although I like "I am woman, I am invincible," -  "cook me some eggs, 
woman!" al la 'Once were Warriors' is not the kind of title I aspire to 
either!  
 
'Lady' Pinky (Has a ring to it!!)

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Denise Hynd 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 9:08 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper 
  stickers for ladies!
  
   
  Dear Pinky 
  I enjoyed and then thought
  about what the title we use for  ourselves 
  means etymologically, overtly and co-vertly.
  Do I refer to myself as a Woman, lady or 
  girl??
  Which do I prefer and why.
  Possibly neither!Denise
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Pinky McKay 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
    
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 11:23 
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers 
for ladies!



  
  
Enjoy !
  Pinky 
  Bumper Stickers for Ladies 
  
   BEHIND EVERY SUCCESSFUL WOMAN IS 
  HERSELF  OH MY GOD, I THINK I'M 
  BECOMING THE MAN I WANTED TO MARRY!  GINGER ROGERS DID 
  EVERYTHING FRED ASTAIRE DID, BUT SHE DID IT  BACKWARDS AND IN 
  HIGH HEELS  A WOMAN IS LIKE A TEA BAG...YOU DON'T KNOW HOW STRONG 
  SHE IS UNTIL  YOU PUT HER IN HOT 
  WATER I HAVE 
  YET TO HEAR A MAN ASK FOR ADVICE ON HOW TO COMBINE MARRIAGE  AND 
  A CAREER SO 
  MANY MEN, SO FEW WHO CAN AFFORD ME COFFEE, CHOCOLATE, MEN ... SOME THINGS ARE JUST BETTER 
  RICH DON'T TREAT ME ANY 
  DIFFERENTLY THAN YOU WOULD THE 
  QUEEN I'M OUT 
  OF ESTROGEN AND I HAVE A GUN WARNING: I HAVE AN 
  ATTITUDE AND I KNOW HOW TO USE IT OF COURSE I 
  DON'T LOOK BUSY...I DID IT RIGHT THE FIRST 
  TIME DO NOT 
  START WITH ME. YOU WILL NOT 
  WIN ALL 
  STRESSED OUT AND NO ONE TO 
  CHOKE I CAN 
  BE ONE OF THOSE BAD THINGS THAT HAPPENS TO BAD 
  PEOPLE HOW 
  CAN I MISS YOU IF YOU WON'T GO 
  AWAY? DON'T 
  UPSET ME! I'M RUNNING OUT OF PLACES TO HIDE THE 
  BODIES And last but not 
  least: IF YOU WANT 
  BREAKFAST IN BED, SLEEP IN THE KITCHEN   
  
   
  

  


  
  
  

Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies!

[Denise Hynd]

 
Dear Pinky 
I enjoyed and then thought
about what the title we use for  ourselves 
means etymologically, overtly and co-vertly.
Do I refer to myself as a Woman, lady or 
girl??
Which do I prefer and why.
Possibly neither!Denise

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Pinky McKay 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 11:23 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers 
  for ladies!
  
  
  

  
Enjoy !
Pinky 
Bumper Stickers for Ladies 

 BEHIND EVERY SUCCESSFUL WOMAN IS 
HERSELF  OH MY GOD, I THINK I'M 
BECOMING THE MAN I WANTED TO MARRY!  GINGER ROGERS DID 
EVERYTHING FRED ASTAIRE DID, BUT SHE DID IT  BACKWARDS AND IN HIGH 
HEELS  A WOMAN IS LIKE A TEA BAG...YOU DON'T KNOW HOW STRONG SHE 
IS UNTIL  YOU PUT HER IN HOT 
WATER I HAVE 
YET TO HEAR A MAN ASK FOR ADVICE ON HOW TO COMBINE MARRIAGE  AND A 
CAREER SO MANY 
MEN, SO FEW WHO CAN AFFORD ME COFFEE, CHOCOLATE, MEN ... SOME THINGS ARE JUST BETTER 
RICH DON'T TREAT ME ANY 
DIFFERENTLY THAN YOU WOULD THE QUEEN I'M OUT OF ESTROGEN AND I HAVE A 
GUN WARNING: I HAVE AN ATTITUDE AND I 
KNOW HOW TO USE IT OF COURSE I DON'T 
LOOK BUSY...I DID IT RIGHT THE FIRST 
TIME DO NOT 
START WITH ME. YOU WILL NOT 
WIN ALL 
STRESSED OUT AND NO ONE TO 
CHOKE I CAN BE 
ONE OF THOSE BAD THINGS THAT HAPPENS TO BAD 
PEOPLE HOW CAN 
I MISS YOU IF YOU WON'T GO 
AWAY? DON'T 
UPSET ME! I'M RUNNING OUT OF PLACES TO HIDE THE 
BODIES And last but not 
least: IF YOU WANT 
BREAKFAST IN BED, SLEEP IN THE KITCHEN   

 

  

  
  

[ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies!

[Pinky McKay]

  
  

  Enjoy !
  Pinky 
  Bumper Stickers for Ladies 
  
   BEHIND EVERY SUCCESSFUL WOMAN IS 
  HERSELF  OH MY GOD, I THINK I'M BECOMING 
  THE MAN I WANTED TO MARRY!  GINGER ROGERS DID 
  EVERYTHING FRED ASTAIRE DID, BUT SHE DID IT  BACKWARDS AND IN HIGH 
  HEELS  A WOMAN IS LIKE A TEA BAG...YOU DON'T KNOW HOW STRONG SHE IS 
  UNTIL  YOU PUT HER IN HOT 
  WATER I HAVE YET 
  TO HEAR A MAN ASK FOR ADVICE ON HOW TO COMBINE MARRIAGE  AND A 
  CAREER SO MANY 
  MEN, SO FEW WHO CAN AFFORD ME COFFEE, CHOCOLATE, MEN ... SOME THINGS ARE JUST BETTER 
  RICH DON'T TREAT ME ANY 
  DIFFERENTLY THAN YOU WOULD THE QUEEN I'M OUT OF ESTROGEN AND I HAVE A 
  GUN WARNING: I HAVE AN ATTITUDE AND I KNOW 
  HOW TO USE IT OF COURSE I DON'T LOOK BUSY...I DID IT RIGHT THE FIRST 
  TIME DO NOT START 
  WITH ME. YOU WILL NOT WIN ALL STRESSED OUT AND NO ONE TO 
  CHOKE I CAN BE 
  ONE OF THOSE BAD THINGS THAT HAPPENS TO BAD 
  PEOPLE HOW CAN I 
  MISS YOU IF YOU WON'T GO AWAY? DON'T UPSET ME! I'M RUNNING OUT OF PLACES TO HIDE THE 
  BODIES And last but not 
  least: IF YOU WANT 
  BREAKFAST IN BED, SLEEP IN THE KITCHEN