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Tina, I have only just got around to reconnecting to oz mid after Darwin and so glad I did so I could read this great story Andrea Quanchi On Monday, March 1, 2004, at 10:35 PM, Mrs Joanne M Fisher wrote: Beautifully told Tina. Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] BORN IN CAUL Hello fellow ozmiders. I have pasted below a birth story from my journal of a babe born in the caul.I have had three women in my time as a mid student, birth their babes in the caulthe first at home thru water.then this wonderful birth with 'Kirsty' in hospital on the shower floorand again recentlya wonderful hospital birth...again in the shower Cheers Tina Pettigrew. 3rd year B Mid Student ACU Melb - Home tonight from another day of birthing 'with woman'. I started back on placement today - 2/days a week for the next couple of months. ON arriving this morning, the 'board' in birth suite was full with labouring women and/or women who had recently birthed their babes...I was allocated to work with a young woman in 'early' labour. Labour commenced at 2100hrs last night with irregular tightenings and a large bloody show. Kirsty arrived at hospital at 0400hrs this morning...today her EDB...healthy pregnancy. I met 18 yr old Kirsty (not her real name) her ex partner and their little boy (16 month toddler). Kirsty was on the bed leaning over the bean bag. Ex partner, 24 yr old...father of both the children...was present to care for the toddler as they have noone else to support them. Both Kirsty's parents are in jail...her only local family an elderly grandmother...Ex partner also soon to be imprisoned in a few weeks time... Instantly we connected.the partner was in and out of the room with the small childso she was all aloneshe was frightened and in pain. Her labour with her first babe was 25 hours, epidural, ventouse and 2 degree tear... This labour was beginning to escalate when I arrived 0730 hrs. I offered her words of encouragement.massage for her low back painand finally coaxed her into the shower on the mediball at 0800.Kirsty was very tired...having been awake all night, and with 16 month old toddler in tow who had not yet slept Lights dimed in the shower, hot water and rocking on medi ball, midwife student shoes off bear feet, pants rolled up to my knees...working with her, with 16 month toddler under my arm pit wondering what mum was doingtoddler on my knee now (trying to keep him out of the water :-)) partner returns from outside and takes toddler for walk...Kirsty making heaps of birth noise, and needing to rest...lays down on the mat in the shower...hot water running over her...its all quiet and dark, just the sound of running waterby 0900...Kirsty really working hard now...says she's going to diewants the pain to stop...Partner returns...toddler in towKirsty 'freaks out' with him present now...fearful for him seeing me in pain wants him to go. Really distressed and, crying, screaming for me to make it all stop...I stroke her foreheadtake her in my arms and cuddle on the shower floor...she ceases to cry...wants a VE to assess her progress before having an epidural. O/VE 6-7cmwon't have gas (says she'll die)decides no epidural...and has 100mgs of IM pethide, tries some gas with some great words from the midwife who is alittle more assertive with her than me, she eventually refocuses on birthing her babymembranes still intact...RMO wanting to rupture themmidwife does some fancy foot work with the doctor...no ARM :-)) The next hour is s intense...Kirsty's labour is full on now...still in the shower...sucking on the gas...leaning up over her partner who is on the mediball...then at 1015 hours...that incredible birth roar came...a sensation new to Kirsty who felt none of her 2nd stage with babe no 1. with the epidural. Reassuring her you are safe its OK to go with what you are feelingKirsty begins the work of pushing her babe out...over a bean bag now (still in the shower and wasn't I popular with the Div 2 - a wet soggy bean bag!!!) I can see her babes head emergingas the babes begins to crown...Kirsty instinctively reaches down to touch her babe and reassure herself that she was not fucking splitting apartand gently, ever so gently, she breathes her 3505gm daughter out and into my hands at 1044 hrsbabe born in the caulmembranes still intact that I gently peel away as I pass her thru Kirsty's legs and lay her down beneath her.she is euphoric...triumphant...!!! Active third stage...1ml IM syntometrine and CCT...EBL 150ml... Babe beautiful breastfeeder(Kirsty BF babe no. 1 for 11 months)...Perineum intact...no other tears or grazes :-)) Midwife student delighted!! I continue to be amazed at the strengh of 'woman'...this young woman
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In a message dated 5/03/04 7:33:48 PM AUS Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tina, I have only just got around to reconnecting to oz mid after Darwin and so glad I did so I could read this great story Andrea Quanchi Hello Andrea, thank you... and great to have you back on ozmid.. cheers Tina P.
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In a message dated 2/03/04 9:45:08 AM AUS Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Beautifully told Tina. Cheers, Joanne. Thanks Joanne, Regards Tina P.
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Dear Mary, I too, would love to see these photos, I think you have my email address. I have also witnessed this special event but no photographs either. Hope life is treating you well. Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 7:01 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] BORN IN CAUL ditto Mary - we have had the privilege of witnessing the birth of several babes born in cauls through water at Selangor, but no photos from these. I would love it if you could send the photos on to me - thanks - Lynne - Original Message - From: Julie Clarke To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 7:59 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] BORN IN CAUL Thank you Mary I would love to see them please feel welcome to send them direct to my email address [EMAIL PROTECTED] I believe the non-attachment policy is to help protect us all from dreaded viruses etc. Hug Julie Julie Clarke CBE Childbirth and Parenting Educator ACE Grad-Dip Supervisor NACE Advanced Educator and Trainer Transition into Parenthood 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224. T. (02) 9544 6441 F. (02) 9544 9257 Mobile 0401 2655 30 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.transitionintoparenthood.com.au From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Tuesday, 24 February 2004 8:42 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] BORN IN CAUL Thank you Julie for the great photos. Lieve, the Dutch midwife,sent me a great series of a baby born underwater in the caul (like my client) I would be happy to pass them on. Lieve said they wouldn't be accepted on the list , probably because they wouldcome through as an attatchment. cheers, M If you visit www.transitionintoparenthood.com.au and click on about Julie and then click on the pdf file Respecting Childbirth as a Rite of Passage, you will see the photos of my babies births. The second one Ryan was born in the caul. http://www.transitionintoparenthood.com.au/Respecting%20Childbirth%20as%20a%20Rite%20of%20Passage.pdf I hope this helps. I am sure the paed would also love to know that Ryan swims like a dolphin and is a wonderfully sensitive gentle giant of a teenager J There is just something about Ryan that everyone warms to. We still have Ryans caul to keep it we had it laminated he even took it to show and tell in kindy. Now thats sharing of knowledge isnt it? You should have seen the teachers face! Warmest regards, Julie Julie Clarke CBE Childbirth and Parenting Educator ACE Grad-Dip Supervisor NACE Advanced Educator and Trainer Transition into Parenthood 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224. T. (02) 9544 6441 F. (02) 9544 9257 Mobile 0401 2655 30 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.transitionintoparenthood.com.au From: owner-[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Monday, 23 February 2004 10:08 PMTo: listSubject: [ozmidwifery] BORN IN CAUL Today a paediatric registrar told me that it was impossible for my recent client to have birthed her baby "in the caul". He was wanting photographic proof. I explained that we didn't take photos of such events because 1)it would mean using a "flash"-He couldn't see the problem , 2) we don't know in advance that it is going to happen. Does anyone have photos of this "impossible" event?cheers, MM
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I recently reread a birth story published in Birthings - HAS journal written by a woman whose babe was born in the caul. She wrote that after research she found that being born in the caul supposedly bestows one with great magical powers. This has possibly been said because Merlin the great wizard was born in the caul. Thanks Tina P for sharingthe entry from your journal - lovely story. Jo Hunter - Original Message - From: Julie Clarke To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 8:12 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] BORN IN CAUL Dear Mary, Good on you for making the effort to explain to the paed it is the sharing of knowledge that helps create a shift in peoples attitudes. Frustrating, as it can be to deal with the arrogance of the medical profession it is still important to do as you are doing and inform others of all possibilities. I have 2 sets of birth photos on my website the 2nd of which shows a caul after the baby is born in it. I know it is not quite the photographic evidence needed; however, it might help you in informing the paed. If you visit www.transitionintoparenthood.com.au and click on about Julie and then click on the pdf file Respecting Childbirth as a Rite of Passage, you will see the photos of my babies births. The second one Ryan was born in the caul. http://www.transitionintoparenthood.com.au/Respecting%20Childbirth%20as%20a%20Rite%20of%20Passage.pdf I hope this helps. I am sure the paed would also love to know that Ryan swims like a dolphin and is a wonderfully sensitive gentle giant of a teenager J There is just something about Ryan that everyone warms to. We still have Ryans caul to keep it we had it laminated he even took it to show and tell in kindy. Now thats sharing of knowledge isnt it? You should have seen the teachers face! Warmest regards, Julie Julie Clarke CBE Childbirth and Parenting Educator ACE Grad-Dip Supervisor NACE Advanced Educator and Trainer Transition into Parenthood 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224. T. (02) 9544 6441 F. (02) 9544 9257 Mobile 0401 2655 30 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.transitionintoparenthood.com.au From: owner-[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Monday, 23 February 2004 10:08 PMTo: listSubject: [ozmidwifery] BORN IN CAUL Today a paediatric registrar told me that it was impossible for my recent client to have birthed her baby "in the caul". He was wanting photographic proof. I explained that we didn't take photos of such events because 1)it would mean using a "flash"-He couldn't see the problem , 2) we don't know in advance that it is going to happen. Does anyone have photos of this "impossible" event?cheers, MM
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Hi Mary Could you please send me the photos of babies born in a caul from Lieve to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks heaps Helen Cahill - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 8:41 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] BORN IN CAUL Thank you Julie for the great photos. Lieve, the Dutch midwife,sent me a great series of a baby born underwater in the caul (like my client) I would be happy to pass them on. Lieve said they wouldn't be accepted on the list , probably because they wouldcome through as an attatchment. cheers, M If you visit www.transitionintoparenthood.com.au and click on about Julie and then click on the pdf file Respecting Childbirth as a Rite of Passage, you will see the photos of my babies births. The second one Ryan was born in the caul. http://www.transitionintoparenthood.com.au/Respecting%20Childbirth%20as%20a%20Rite%20of%20Passage.pdf I hope this helps. I am sure the paed would also love to know that Ryan swims like a dolphin and is a wonderfully sensitive gentle giant of a teenager J There is just something about Ryan that everyone warms to. We still have Ryans caul to keep it we had it laminated he even took it to show and tell in kindy. Now thats sharing of knowledge isnt it? You should have seen the teachers face! Warmest regards, Julie Julie Clarke CBE Childbirth and Parenting Educator ACE Grad-Dip Supervisor NACE Advanced Educator and Trainer Transition into Parenthood 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224. T. (02) 9544 6441 F. (02) 9544 9257 Mobile 0401 2655 30 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.transitionintoparenthood.com.au From: owner-[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Monday, 23 February 2004 10:08 PMTo: listSubject: [ozmidwifery] BORN IN CAUL Today a paediatric registrar told me that it was impossible for my recent client to have birthed her baby "in the caul". He was wanting photographic proof. I explained that we didn't take photos of such events because 1)it would mean using a "flash"-He couldn't see the problem , 2) we don't know in advance that it is going to happen. Does anyone have photos of this "impossible" event?cheers, MM
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IF you want to avoid flash photography - how about a video and 'lift' a picture off that? The digital video cameras can take photos too, but I have captured stills of video footage on my computer Kirsten - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 7:28 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] BORN IN CAUL Thanks for the replies Julie Marilyn. Re the flash. I have no proof, just going on instinct, but asmany of our births these days are waterbirths, I don't want a baby getting a fright gasping whilst still underwater. Also, I don't want a baby who has been born gently into dim light getting a huge flash of light just after birth. I would still be interested if anyone else has photos of a baby still in the caul. Cheers, M This was 23 yrs ago and now nobody(that I have been around)seems concerned about the flash I am interested that this is still a concern. Have we just forgotten about it?
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We had a preterm (34 week) TWIN born in the caul a few weeks ago, at the major teaching hospital, WITHOUT an epidural GASP SHOCK HORROR. This is what comes of letting wicked casual staff wander unsupervised around labour ward ;) KB - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] BORN IN CAUL What a sad/poor reflection of what happens in hospital birth!! I had not seen or been involved in such until I started attending Homebirths!I remember the first time wsatching inititially wondering what was happening then my first catch of a baby in the Caul being my own "now what is it I do?" Feeling the head and a hand through the bag!!Denise - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: list Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 7:08 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] BORN IN CAUL Today a paediatric registrar told me that it was impossible for my recent client to have birthed her baby "in the caul". He was wanting photographic proof. I explained that we didn't take photos of such events because 1)it would mean using a "flash"-He couldn't see the problem , 2) we don't know in advance that it is going to happen. Does anyone have photos of this "impossible" event?cheers, MM
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Im rolling on the floor laughing even more so now Sally -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JoFromOz Sent: Tuesday, 24 February 2004 9:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] BORN IN CAUL Mary, I was there when that telephone conversation was going on... I had to walk away stiffling my giggles. The Paed isn't a registrar, he was a consultant! Later on he said to me, I suppose you will be wanting a water birth, next. I said, of course I will! ;) Jo Original Message From: Mary Murphy To: list Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 7:08 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] BORN IN CAUL Today a paediatric registrar told me that it was impossible for my recent client to have birthed her baby in the caul. He was wanting photographic proof. I explained that we didn't take photos of such events because 1) it would mean using a flash- He couldn't see the problem , 2) we don't know in advance that it is going to happen. Does anyone have photos of this impossible event? cheers, MM -- Babies are Born... Pizzas are delivered.
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The first time I birthed a baby in the caul was funny, the woman was on all fours so I was expecting to see the face first. Out slides this featureless head and my immediate thought was "Oh my God, this baby has no face! What will I say to the parents!" Then I laughed at myself and wiped the caul from the lovely little face. And that, Jan, is all you do, it's very stretched by then and often breaks soon after the head is born anyway. There are anecdotal accounts of multiple births at home where each small baby has come out complete in its sack. There are many beliefs surrounding being born in a caul. My mother used to tell me I had been born in the caul (at home naturally) and that it meant I would never drown at sea (a reassuring thought!) She told me that sailors used to prize cauls as powerful tokens of good luck and would buy them from the midwives to guard against drowning. Seems a good enough reason to me to leave things well alone! I'd better re-introduce myself, my name is Sue and I am a midwife at one of the smaller hospitalsin metro. I used to be on this list and have decided to check back and see what y'all have beenup to. Nice to'hear' from familiar 'voices'still around. Hello to Mary and Denise, and others. Regards, Sue - Original Message - From: Jen Semple To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] BORN IN CAUL Hehehe, the obvious question from the midwife student for you wise midwives... What DO you do?! :o) JenDenise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What a sad/poor reflection of what happens in hospital birth!! I had not seen or been involved in such until I started attending Homebirths!I remember the first time wsatching inititially wondering what was happening then my first catch of a baby in the Caul being my own "now what is it I do?" Feeling the head and a hand through the bag!!Denise Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
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Fascinating! Thanks for sharing your experience, Sue. Jen 3rd year BMid student, MelbourneSusan Cudlipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The first time I birthed a baby in the caul was funny, the woman was on all fours so I was expecting to see the face first. Out slides this featureless head and my immediate thought was "Oh my God, this baby has no face! What will I say to the parents!" Then I laughed at myself and wiped the caul from the lovely little face. And that, Jan, is all you do, it's very stretched by then and often breaks soon after the head is born anyway. There are anecdotal accounts of multiple births at home where each small baby has come out complete in its sack. There are many beliefs surrounding being born in a caul. My mother used to tell me I had been born in the caul (at home naturally) and that it meant I would never drown at sea (a reassuring thought!) She told me that sailors used to prize cauls as powerful tokens of good luck and would buy them from the midwives to guard against drowning. Seems a good enough reason to me to leave things well alone! I'd better re-introduce myself, my name is Sue and I am a midwife at one of the smaller hospitalsin metro. I used to be on this list and have decided to check back and see what y'all have beenup to. Nice to'hear' from familiar 'voices'still around. Hello to Mary and Denise, and others. Regards, Sue Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
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Actually Jo, I thought it must have been a Resident MO as he was so ignorant. I have emailed him the photos from Lieve in Holland. He will probably flip at the lurid colour of the baby up on the mothers chest, but the photos of the baby in caul emerging and the mother breaking the membranes herself, are wonderful. I have printed them off so I have the "photographic proof". Ask him if he received the emailed photos from me. Hi to Sue. Good to know you are back on the list again. we value your contributions. Cheers, MM . "Mary, I was there when that telephone conversation was going on... I had to walk away stiffling my giggles. The Paed isn't a registrar, he was a consultant! Later on he said to me, "I suppose you will be wanting a water birth, next."
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I'm working again tomorrow, so I'll ask him. Did he give you his address? Wow... :) I noticed the colour of the baby too... Aren't most babies that colour when they first come out?? hehe Jo Original Message From: Mary MurphyTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 10:53 AMSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] BORN IN CAUL Actually Jo, I thought it must have been a Resident MO as he was so ignorant. I have emailed him the photos from Lieve in Holland. He will probably flip at the lurid colour of the baby up on the mothers chest, but the photos of the baby in caul emerging and the mother breaking the membranes herself, are wonderful. I have printed them off so I have the "photographic proof". Ask him if he received the emailed photos from me. Hi to Sue. Good to know you are back on the list again. we value your contributions. Cheers, MM . "Mary, I was there when that telephone conversation was going on... I had to walk away stiffling my giggles. The Paed isn't a registrar, he was a consultant! Later on he said to me, "I suppose you will be wanting a water birth, next." -- Babies are Born... Pizzas are delivered.
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No, he didn't give me the address, but I don't want the person who did, to get into trouble. It wasn't midwifery or nursing staff. MM
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Hello fellow ozmiders. I have pasted below a birth story from my journal of a babe born in the caul.I have had three women in my time as a mid student, birth their babes in the caulthe first at home thru water.then this wonderful birth with 'Kirsty' in hospital on the shower floorand again recentlya wonderful hospital birth...again in the shower Cheers Tina Pettigrew. 3rd year B Mid Student ACU Melb - Home tonight from another day of birthing 'with woman'. I started back on placement today - 2/days a week for the next couple of months. ON arriving this morning, the 'board' in birth suite was full with labouring women and/or women who had recently birthed their babes...I was allocated to work with a young woman in 'early' labour. Labour commenced at 2100hrs last night with irregular tightenings and a large bloody show. Kirsty arrived at hospital at 0400hrs this morning...today her EDB...healthy pregnancy. I met 18 yr old Kirsty (not her real name) her ex partner and their little boy (16 month toddler). Kirsty was on the bed leaning over the bean bag. Ex partner, 24 yr old...father of both the children...was present to care for the toddler as they have noone else to support them. Both Kirsty's parents are in jail...her only local family an elderly grandmother...Ex partner also soon to be imprisoned in a few weeks time... Instantly we connected.the partner was in and out of the room with the small childso she was all aloneshe was frightened and in pain. Her labour with her first babe was 25 hours, epidural, ventouse and 2 degree tear... This labour was beginning to escalate when I arrived 0730 hrs. I offered her words of encouragement.massage for her low back painand finally coaxed her into the shower on the mediball at 0800.Kirsty was very tired...having been awake all night, and with 16 month old toddler in tow who had not yet slept Lights dimed in the shower, hot water and rocking on medi ball, midwife student shoes off bear feet, pants rolled up to my knees...working with her, with 16 month toddler under my arm pit wondering what mum was doingtoddler on my knee now (trying to keep him out of the water :-)) partner returns from outside and takes toddler for walk...Kirsty making heaps of birth noise, and needing to rest...lays down on the mat in the shower...hot water running over her...its all quiet and dark, just the sound of running waterby 0900...Kirsty really working hard now...says she's going to diewants the pain to stop...Partner returns...toddler in towKirsty 'freaks out' with him present now...fearful for him "seeing me in pain" wants him to go. Really distressed and, crying, screaming for me to make it all stop...I stroke her foreheadtake her in my arms and cuddle on the shower floor...she ceases to cry...wants a VE to assess her progress before having an epidural. O/VE 6-7cmwon't have gas (says she'll die)decides no epidural...and has 100mgs of IM pethide, tries some gas with some great words from the midwife who is alittle more assertive with her than me, she eventually refocuses on birthing her babymembranes still intact...RMO wanting to rupture themmidwife does some fancy foot work with the doctor...no ARM :-)) The next hour is s intense...Kirsty's labour is full on now...still in the shower...sucking on the gas...leaning up over her partner who is on the mediball...then at 1015 hours...that incredible birth roar came...a sensation new to Kirsty who felt none of her 2nd stage with babe no 1. with the epidural. Reassuring her "you are safe" its "OK to go with what you are feeling"Kirsty begins the work of pushing her babe out...over a bean bag now (still in the shower and wasn't I popular with the Div 2 - a wet soggy bean bag!!!) I can see her babes head emergingas the babes begins to crown...Kirsty instinctively reaches down to touch her babe and reassure herself that she was not "fucking splitting apart"and gently, ever so gently, she breathes her 3505gm daughter out and into my hands at 1044 hrsbabe born in the caulmembranes still intact that I gently peel away as I pass her thru Kirsty's legs and lay her down beneath her.she is euphoric...triumphant...!!! Active third stage...1ml IM syntometrine and CCT...EBL 150ml... Babe beautiful breastfeeder(Kirsty BF babe no. 1 for 11 months)...Perineum intact...no other tears or grazes :-)) Midwife student delighted!! I continue to be amazed at the strengh of 'woman'...this young woman...with the odds stacked against hera long road ahead of her...but she is a fighter and with strengh beyond words...I continue to learn so much from women like Kirsty...they teach us what it is to be resilient...strong and determined in life. To be present 'with' her today was a true honour and a privilege.
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I guess anecdotal evidence will not suffice for this gentleman, umh! If photographic eveidence is required then you could have high speed film, slow shutter speed and while you prolly wont get a great photo, you may have some evidence in the future. I had my camera set up like this for the birth of my third daughter and did get a lot lovely though grainy photos with no flash. This was 23 yrs ago and now nobody(that I have been around)seems concerned about the flash I am interested that this is still a concern. Have we just forgotten about it? marilyn - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: list Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 3:08 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] BORN IN CAUL Today a paediatric registrar told me that it was impossible for my recent client to have birthed her baby "in the caul". He was wanting photographic proof. I explained that we didn't take photos of such events because 1)it would mean using a "flash"-He couldn't see the problem , 2) we don't know in advance that it is going to happen. Does anyone have photos of this "impossible" event?cheers, MM
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Hi Mary, You can tell the paediatric registrar that there are photosof babies being born in the caul at: http://www.birthdiaries.com/diary/39vbirth.htm(scroll down a few photos) and http://www.midwives.net/hsh/caul.htm Hope that helps! Andrea Bilcliff - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: list Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 10:08 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] BORN IN CAUL Today a paediatric registrar told me that it was impossible for my recent client to have birthed her baby "in the caul". He was wanting photographic proof. I explained that we didn't take photos of such events because 1)it would mean using a "flash"-He couldn't see the problem , 2) we don't know in advance that it is going to happen. Does anyone have photos of this "impossible" event?cheers, MM
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What a sad/poor reflection of what happens in hospital birth!! I had not seen or been involved in such until I started attending Homebirths!I remember the first time wsatching inititially wondering what was happening then my first catch of a baby in the Caul being my own "now what is it I do?" Feeling the head and a hand through the bag!!Denise - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: list Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 7:08 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] BORN IN CAUL Today a paediatric registrar told me that it was impossible for my recent client to have birthed her baby "in the caul". He was wanting photographic proof. I explained that we didn't take photos of such events because 1)it would mean using a "flash"-He couldn't see the problem , 2) we don't know in advance that it is going to happen. Does anyone have photos of this "impossible" event?cheers, MM
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Hehehe, the obvious question from the midwife student for you wise midwives... What DO you do?! :o) JenDenise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What a sad/poor reflection of what happens in hospital birth!! I had not seen or been involved in such until I started attending Homebirths!I remember the first time wsatching inititially wondering what was happening then my first catch of a baby in the Caul being my own "now what is it I do?" Feeling the head and a hand through the bag!!Denise Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
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Jen The midwives I have been with at home from whom I have learnt most therefore what I did was to leave it intact till the babies head was out - as it acts as a cushion for the mother and baby. Also based on Michle Odent's theory about waterbirth's why the baby does not breathe under the water or in the caul/membranes. = that due toPascal's (?) principle = pressure in a fluid filled container (membranes, tub ) is equal in all directions -therefore the pressure receptors on the baby's face do not prompt the baby to take a breath until itisout of water/bag of membranes. When you break it peel it down over the face firstclearing the mouth ready for that first breathe!!Denise - Original Message - From: Jen Semple To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] BORN IN CAUL Hehehe, the obvious question from the midwife student for you wise midwives... What DO you do?! :o) JenDenise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What a sad/poor reflection of what happens in hospital birth!! I had not seen or been involved in such until I started attending Homebirths!I remember the first time wsatching inititially wondering what was happening then my first catch of a baby in the Caul being my own "now what is it I do?" Feeling the head and a hand through the bag!!Denise Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
Re: [ozmidwifery] BORN IN CAUL
Interesting. Thanks Denise! JenDenise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jen The midwives I have been with at home from whom I have learnt most therefore what I did was to leave it intact till the babies head was out - as it acts as a cushion for the mother and baby. Also based on Michle Odent's theory about waterbirth's why the baby does not breathe under the water or in the caul/membranes. = that due toPascal's (?) principle = pressure in a fluid filled container (membranes, tub ) is equal in all directions -therefore the pressure receptors on the baby's face do not prompt the baby to take a breath until itisout of water/bag of membranes. When you break it peel it down over the face firstclearing the mouth ready for that first breathe!!Denise Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
Re: [ozmidwifery] BORN IN CAUL
Sorry no photos but I have had a baby birth this way and I know ir is possible. - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: list Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 12:08 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] BORN IN CAUL Today a paediatric registrar told me that it was impossible for my recent client to have birthed her baby "in the caul". He was wanting photographic proof. I explained that we didn't take photos of such events because 1)it would mean using a "flash"-He couldn't see the problem , 2) we don't know in advance that it is going to happen. Does anyone have photos of this "impossible" event?cheers, MM
