RE: [PAYCO] Fwd: PAC MARCHES COUNTRYWIDE FOR RELEASE OF ITS APLA COMRADES
Noted -Original Message- From: Mphiri Masoga mphi...@gmail.com Sent: 2015-04-20 04:01 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com payco@googlegroups.com Subject: [PAYCO] Fwd: PAC MARCHES COUNTRYWIDE FOR RELEASE OF ITS APLA COMRADES Regards, electronically signed Mphiri Masoga SACWU T (012) 320 6472 - 5 F (012) 320 2179 F2email: 086 225 4254 Email: mphi...@gmail.com masoga.mph...@sacwu.org.za C 073 182 2656 -- Forwarded message -- From: Admin @ Pac ad...@pac.org.za Date: Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 2:59 PM Subject: PAC MARCHES COUNTRYWIDE FOR RELEASE OF ITS APLA COMRADES To: takalaniligeg...@gmail.com, lesibajlekgoa...@gmail.com, mphi...@gmail.com, richardma...@yahoo.com, p...@vodamail.co.za, goqwana.san...@gmail.com Cc: mphi...@gmail.com, moosamazib...@gmail.com, ditlesi...@gmail.com, mokoen...@workmail.co.za, melus...@yahoo.com, bmntl...@yahoo.com, sraphahl...@parliament.gov.za, pa...@pac.org.za, rammymfulw...@gmail.com, smollzo...@gmail.com, nngq...@gmail.com, digashuma...@gmail.com Revolutionary Greetings , Please receive the attached letter and circulate it to other members who want to attend the march on the 24th April 2015. Regards, PAC of Azania Tel : 011 331 3415/ 14/ 11 Fax : 086 527 0380 Email : ad...@pac.org.za Website: www.pac.org.za A SHORT SAYING OFTEN CONTAINS MUCH WISDOM -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: invitation to a PASMA/PAC elections rally
M'Afrika Hlomphi, as a former AZANYU and PASO member, you the last to defend mediocrity. If you find my comments offensive, its unfortunate, but the simple message is PAC NEC should please deploy NEC Members with the required abilities to explain and articulate PAC positions, thus far both Mopethi and Moloto are incapable! Izwe lethu Ndima On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Mohlomphegi Mphahlele mphah...@eskom.co.za wrote: Comrade Tongongara You guys are the one embarrassing PAC. It is true PAC is currently suffering ideological coherent stance. So we must just assist the situation and stop continually dismissing our leadership. I always say to comrades that if one is not happy about a particular leader one must work hard to unseat that leader using our internal democratic processes. Hauling will not address your concerns. It is very much wise to focus yourself in developing a launching pad to address PAC problems. And that launching pad is your branch. So stop that and work your grounds. That’s where most of us fail. We think that we can correct the PAC ills by making the loudest noise. Teach the right thing. Prepare comrades for a PAC righteous path. That path is the implementation and utilisation of our Code of Conduct and our Constitution. All those leaders who transgress our code of conduct and our constitution will be answerable to the National Conference. Go out there and campaign for the PAC!!! *From:* Tongogara Ndima [mailto:ndimatongog...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 26 April 2014 12:51 PM *To:* payco@googlegroups.com *Cc:* Admin @ Pac; Alton Mphethi; Michael Muendane; Narius Moloto; d...@pac.org.za; david mabitsela; miles.ndl...@yahoo.com; justice mvakali; bulanng...@gmail.com; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; Mohlomphegi Mphahlele; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; Cape; mapulankoan...@gmail.com; mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; richardma...@yahoo.com; mbind...@gmail.com; L Lekgwathi; wandisile gajana; eddie mfulwane; Smoll Zondo; phillip Dhlamini; Mbulelo Raymond; dud...@webmail.co.za; billiard.s...@gmail.com; rad...@gmail.com; Johnson Mlambo; Xola Tyamzashe; Tumediso Modise; p...@vodamail.co.za; Phumzile Nomnga; po...@yahoo.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; pac.nc...@gmail.com; patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; Sbusiso Xaba; sndam...@pac-cape.org.za; Lehlogonolo Digashu; Dr. Motsoko Pheko; Tebogo Sekele; frambo...@gmail.com; goqwana.san...@gmail.com; Tebogo Masipa; hlubi.so...@gmail.com; jntab...@gmail.com; Keith Moyce; lucasmmol...@gmail.com; znyam...@gmail.com; le...@pac.org.za; m...@pac.org.za; ki...@pac.org.za; ndhlo...@pac.org.za; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; bc...@netactive.co.za; nyalu...@live.co.za; nnyq...@gmail.com; nombule...@webmail.com; nol...@nactu.org.za; Pinkie Monyane; moshemahlom...@gmail.com; ms...@webmail.co.za; mop...@pac.org.za; mafub...@hotmail.com; Mphiri Masoga; mnd...@yahoo.com; Malinge Plaatjie; Albert Mokoena; esei...@fedcraw.org.za; Edward Thobejane; ifm10...@iscor.com; Malesela Mogashwa; ic...@telkomsa.net; inqubelaphambili.tradeun...@gmail.com; p...@npswu.org.co.za; ad...@fedcraw.org.za; generalsecret...@mwasa.org.za; hoteli...@iburst.co.za; headoff...@sacwu.org.za; legalu...@sacwu.co.za; brian.gam...@unioinlife.co.za; nufbw...@wbs.co.za; np...@mweb.co.za; mose...@sacwu.co.za; mphahlel...@amcu.co.za; sduduzo andiswa; Sbongiseni Ayanda; Ali Maphalala; butheyane mary serunye; BONOLO TSHEGO; Thabo cyril Zwane; tsatsawani chauke; zweli cele; clementmar...@yahoo.com; Dumisani Mkhwente; danielmamony...@gmail.com; Dimakatso Moletsane; Excellent Rikhotso; Fumanile Ben; INNOCENT FRIDAY; Nhlanhla Fortune Xaba; Sbu Fire; Willy Fokane; fortune.speng...@gmail.com; gabula.j...@webmail.com; gemoanako...@webmail.co.za; hlatshwayonhlakanipho; Innocentia Mamaila; SELLO IRVIN LESABANE; jabu mkhwanazi; Jabulani Mothopeng; Lejoni John Kekana; Obakeng Jacobs; karabo mokgojwa; khoi.so...@gmail.com; kgothatso sithole; Lindo Thando; Metja Ledwaba; MXOLISI MAISELA; Nkosinathi Mngoma; Madosky Obama; pasma.gaut...@gmail.com; Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi; Tume Molomo; tumelo tele; Mofihli Likotsi; Vusi .Mahlangu; Vusumuzi Silaule; Xola Tyamzashe; zun...@tut.ac.za; ntsiemohl...@gmail.com; Dumisani Zwane *Subject:* Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: invitation to a PASMA/PAC elections rally M'Afrika Digashu Stop embarrassing PAC, you guys know that Narius Moloto cannot talk and has little political grounding, if students will be allowed to engage him and demand clarity then PAC will be embarrassed once more. Both Mopethi and Moloto dismally failed to unpack positions of PAC at both Justice Factor and Vuyo Mvoko National Elections Debates! Actually these comrades are hopeless opportunists! The earlier they are removed from PAC Leadership the better! Please M'Afrika From Tongongara On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 2:07 PM
Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: invitation to a PASMA/PAC elections rally
M'Afrika Mbulele Raymond, actually your generation which include Moloto, Mudini and Letlapa, and the naïve Mopethi had failed PAC and continue to fail PAC since QwaQwa Congress until to date. Very soon you will be mobilising PAC members and some NEC members to act on Narius just to further divisions within the NEC and PAC. Will Narius Moloto as GS, manage to present his report at the next annual conference and later the national congress? Under your political guidance PAC continue to go nowhere but remain to be in crisis. And for any serious person who understand PAC and want to uphold the integrity and image of PAC, you the last to defend mediocrity. Secondly, If you find my comments offensive, its unfortunate, but the simple message is PAC NEC should please deploy NEC Members with the required abilities to explain and articulate PAC positions, thus far both Mopethi and Moloto are incapable! Izwe lethu Tongogara On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 7:22 PM, Mbulelo Raymond mrfihl...@gmail.comwrote: M'Afrika Tongogara One of the main problems the PAC has is that it's members are very good at attacking others instead of building them. You know, you may be correct when you say comrades Moloto and Mphethi are not the best speakers the PAC has. But does that mean they are an embarrassment to the PAC. Does that also make them hopeless opportunists? Don't you think they can be trained and groomed to become the kind of speakers you want? I guess m'Afrika you need to be told the truth. The truth is that you are one of the enemies of the PAC. The comrades from PASMA are inviting us to a rally which we all need to support. Instead of supporting this rally, you are trying to sabotage it by discouraging members from attending. You are instead now diverting our attention from the invitation to the rally to the new topic about the PAC leaders that you hate so much. M'Afrika, we are not interested in your factional agenda. Our only desire is to build the PAC. We are grateful that M'Afrika Mphethi helped us to register the PAC to contest the elections. Today we can with pride say we shall increase the number of seats the PAC has in parliament. We are also grateful to M'Afrika Moloto for remaining firm and defend the PAC when some of us were sponsored to keep the PAC in court and create an impression that the PAC is an organisation consisting of factions with no clear leadership. Whether they are bad speakers or not, these two Africans have saved the PAC from the enemies within. To the rest of you ma Afrika, let us move ahead and rebuild the PAC? Let us close ranks and fight the enemies within. The time has come for us to focus on what builds the PAC. Anything that promotes factional interests and divisions in our PAC must be mercilessly condemned. Those who are professional fault finders and do not belong to any structures must never be allowed to spread their poison in the PAC. BEWARE OF THE ENEMIES WITHIN! Izwe Lethu Fihla On Apr 26, 2014 12:50 PM, Tongogara Ndima ndimatongog...@gmail.com wrote: M'Afrika Digashu Stop embarrassing PAC, you guys know that Narius Moloto cannot talk and has little political grounding, if students will be allowed to engage him and demand clarity then PAC will be embarrassed once more. Both Mopethi and Moloto dismally failed to unpack positions of PAC at both Justice Factor and Vuyo Mvoko National Elections Debates! Actually these comrades are hopeless opportunists! The earlier they are removed from PAC Leadership the better! Please M'Afrika From Tongongara On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Lehlogonolo Digashu digashu.ma...@gmail.com wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Lehlogonolo Digashu digashu.ma...@gmail.com Date: Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 2:04 PM Subject: invitation to a PASMA/PAC elections rally To: sduduzo andiswa asdud...@gmail.com, Sbongiseni Ayanda jxi...@gmail.com, Ali Maphalala ali.maphal...@gmail.com, butheyane mary serunye butheyanemseu...@gmail.com, BONOLO TSHEGO melloasa...@gmail.com, Thabo cyril Zwane tz65...@gmail.com, tsatsawani chauke tkchauke.cha...@gmail.com, zweli cele zwelic...@webmail.co.za, clementmar...@yahoo.com, Dumisani Mkhwente lamzi...@gmail.com, danielmamony...@gmail.com, Dimakatso Moletsane bafana.phu...@hotmail.com, eddie mfulwane rammymfulw...@gmail.com, Excellent Rikhotso excellentrikho...@gmail.com, Fumanile Ben fbdywilibe...@gmail.com, INNOCENT FRIDAY inno@gmail.com, Nhlanhla Fortune Xaba nfx...@gmail.com, Sbu Fire sbufir...@gmail.com, Willy Fokane fokanewi...@gmail.com, fortune.speng...@gmail.com, gabula.j...@webmail.com, gemoanako...@webmail.co.za, hlatshwayonhlakanipho hlatshwayonhlakani...@yahoo.com, Innocentia Mamaila inono@gmail.com, SELLO IRVIN LESABANE scal...@hotmail.com, jabu mkhwanazi 8302jabumkhwan...@gmail.com, Jabulani Mothopeng jabumo...@gmail.com, justice mvakali mvakalijust...@gmail.com, Lejoni John Kekana lejonikek...@gmail.com,
Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: invitation to a PASMA/PAC elections rally
M'Afrika Digashu Stop embarrassing PAC, you guys know that Narius Moloto cannot talk and has little political grounding, if students will be allowed to engage him and demand clarity then PAC will be embarrassed once more. Both Mopethi and Moloto dismally failed to unpack positions of PAC at both Justice Factor and Vuyo Mvoko National Elections Debates! Actually these comrades are hopeless opportunists! The earlier they are removed from PAC Leadership the better! Please M'Afrika From Tongongara On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Lehlogonolo Digashu digashu.ma...@gmail.com wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Lehlogonolo Digashu digashu.ma...@gmail.com Date: Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 2:04 PM Subject: invitation to a PASMA/PAC elections rally To: sduduzo andiswa asdud...@gmail.com, Sbongiseni Ayanda jxi...@gmail.com, Ali Maphalala ali.maphal...@gmail.com, butheyane mary serunye butheyanemseu...@gmail.com, BONOLO TSHEGO melloasa...@gmail.com, Thabo cyril Zwane tz65...@gmail.com, tsatsawani chauke tkchauke.cha...@gmail.com, zweli cele zwelic...@webmail.co.za, clementmar...@yahoo.com, Dumisani Mkhwente lamzi...@gmail.com, danielmamony...@gmail.com, Dimakatso Moletsane bafana.phu...@hotmail.com, eddie mfulwane rammymfulw...@gmail.com, Excellent Rikhotso excellentrikho...@gmail.com, Fumanile Ben fbdywilibe...@gmail.com, INNOCENT FRIDAY inno@gmail.com, Nhlanhla Fortune Xaba nfx...@gmail.com, Sbu Fire sbufir...@gmail.com, Willy Fokane fokanewi...@gmail.com, fortune.speng...@gmail.com, gabula.j...@webmail.com, gemoanako...@webmail.co.za, hlatshwayonhlakanipho hlatshwayonhlakani...@yahoo.com, Innocentia Mamaila inono@gmail.com, SELLO IRVIN LESABANE scal...@hotmail.com, jabu mkhwanazi 8302jabumkhwan...@gmail.com, Jabulani Mothopeng jabumo...@gmail.com, justice mvakali mvakalijust...@gmail.com, Lejoni John Kekana lejonikek...@gmail.com, Obakeng Jacobs obakengjac...@yahoo.com, karabo mokgojwa km.mokgo...@gmail.com, khoi.so...@gmail.com, kgothatso sithole kgothatso.sith...@yahoo.com, Lindo Thando lindo920...@gmail.com, Metja Ledwaba mkledw...@yahoo.com, MXOLISI MAISELA maisela...@gmail.com, Nkosinathi Mngoma mngomankosina...@yahoo.com, Madosky Obama madoskyob...@yahoo.com, pasma.gaut...@gmail.com, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi nrkgag...@gmail.com, Tume Molomo rako...@tut.ac.za, tumelo tele violet.t...@yahoo.com, Mofihli Likotsi urf@gmail.com, Vusi .Mahlangu vemahla...@gmail.com, Vusumuzi Silaule silaule...@gmail.com, Xola Tyamzashe tyamza...@yahoo.com, Xola Tyamzashe xola...@gmail.com, Sbusiso Xaba sbusiso.x...@gmail.com, Smoll Zondo smollzo...@gmail.com, zun...@tut.ac.za good day receive here in attached communique for your urgent attention. we hope you find the above in order. kind regards JUSTIS MAJAZ DIGASHU PASMA GAUTENG PROVINCIAL CHAIRPERSON Cell: 084 868 4146 078 829 4317 Tel: 011 333 9180 Fax: 086 515 *7394* *Email: digashu.ma...@gmail.com digashu.ma...@gmail.com* -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: [PAYCO] Fwd: invitation to a PASMA/PAC elections rally
Comrades I agree with Cde Mohlomphegi. Let us for once put the PAC above all other interests. After the elections, let's focus on building branches and build the party from the ground up. Let us stand together and campaign for the PAC. Izwelethu! Cde Pinkie Monyane On 26 Apr 2014 14:09, Mohlomphegi Mphahlele mphah...@eskom.co.za wrote: Comrade Tongongara You guys are the one embarrassing PAC. It is true PAC is currently suffering ideological coherent stance. So we must just assist the situation and stop continually dismissing our leadership. I always say to comrades that if one is not happy about a particular leader one must work hard to unseat that leader using our internal democratic processes. Hauling will not address your concerns. It is very much wise to focus yourself in developing a launching pad to address PAC problems. And that launching pad is your branch. So stop that and work your grounds. That’s where most of us fail. We think that we can correct the PAC ills by making the loudest noise. Teach the right thing. Prepare comrades for a PAC righteous path. That path is the implementation and utilisation of our Code of Conduct and our Constitution. All those leaders who transgress our code of conduct and our constitution will be answerable to the National Conference. Go out there and campaign for the PAC!!! *From:* Tongogara Ndima [mailto:ndimatongog...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 26 April 2014 12:51 PM *To:* payco@googlegroups.com *Cc:* Admin @ Pac; Alton Mphethi; Michael Muendane; Narius Moloto; d...@pac.org.za; david mabitsela; miles.ndl...@yahoo.com; justice mvakali; bulanng...@gmail.com; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; Mohlomphegi Mphahlele; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; Cape; mapulankoan...@gmail.com; mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; richardma...@yahoo.com; mbind...@gmail.com; L Lekgwathi; wandisile gajana; eddie mfulwane; Smoll Zondo; phillip Dhlamini; Mbulelo Raymond; dud...@webmail.co.za; billiard.s...@gmail.com; rad...@gmail.com; Johnson Mlambo; Xola Tyamzashe; Tumediso Modise; p...@vodamail.co.za; Phumzile Nomnga; po...@yahoo.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; pac.nc...@gmail.com; patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; Sbusiso Xaba; sndam...@pac-cape.org.za; Lehlogonolo Digashu; Dr. Motsoko Pheko; Tebogo Sekele; frambo...@gmail.com; goqwana.san...@gmail.com; Tebogo Masipa; hlubi.so...@gmail.com; jntab...@gmail.com; Keith Moyce; lucasmmol...@gmail.com; znyam...@gmail.com; le...@pac.org.za; m...@pac.org.za; ki...@pac.org.za; ndhlo...@pac.org.za; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; bc...@netactive.co.za; nyalu...@live.co.za; nnyq...@gmail.com; nombule...@webmail.com; nol...@nactu.org.za; Pinkie Monyane; moshemahlom...@gmail.com; ms...@webmail.co.za; mop...@pac.org.za; mafub...@hotmail.com; Mphiri Masoga; mnd...@yahoo.com; Malinge Plaatjie; Albert Mokoena; esei...@fedcraw.org.za; Edward Thobejane; ifm10...@iscor.com; Malesela Mogashwa; ic...@telkomsa.net; inqubelaphambili.tradeun...@gmail.com; p...@npswu.org.co.za; ad...@fedcraw.org.za; generalsecret...@mwasa.org.za; hoteli...@iburst.co.za; headoff...@sacwu.org.za; legalu...@sacwu.co.za; brian.gam...@unioinlife.co.za; nufbw...@wbs.co.za; np...@mweb.co.za; mose...@sacwu.co.za; mphahlel...@amcu.co.za; sduduzo andiswa; Sbongiseni Ayanda; Ali Maphalala; butheyane mary serunye; BONOLO TSHEGO; Thabo cyril Zwane; tsatsawani chauke; zweli cele; clementmar...@yahoo.com; Dumisani Mkhwente; danielmamony...@gmail.com; Dimakatso Moletsane; Excellent Rikhotso; Fumanile Ben; INNOCENT FRIDAY; Nhlanhla Fortune Xaba; Sbu Fire; Willy Fokane; fortune.speng...@gmail.com; gabula.j...@webmail.com; gemoanako...@webmail.co.za; hlatshwayonhlakanipho; Innocentia Mamaila; SELLO IRVIN LESABANE; jabu mkhwanazi; Jabulani Mothopeng; Lejoni John Kekana; Obakeng Jacobs; karabo mokgojwa; khoi.so...@gmail.com; kgothatso sithole; Lindo Thando; Metja Ledwaba; MXOLISI MAISELA; Nkosinathi Mngoma; Madosky Obama; pasma.gaut...@gmail.com; Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi; Tume Molomo; tumelo tele; Mofihli Likotsi; Vusi .Mahlangu; Vusumuzi Silaule; Xola Tyamzashe; zun...@tut.ac.za; ntsiemohl...@gmail.com; Dumisani Zwane *Subject:* Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: invitation to a PASMA/PAC elections rally M'Afrika Digashu Stop embarrassing PAC, you guys know that Narius Moloto cannot talk and has little political grounding, if students will be allowed to engage him and demand clarity then PAC will be embarrassed once more. Both Mopethi and Moloto dismally failed to unpack positions of PAC at both Justice Factor and Vuyo Mvoko National Elections Debates! Actually these comrades are hopeless opportunists! The earlier they are removed from PAC Leadership the better! Please M'Afrika From Tongongara On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Lehlogonolo Digashu digashu.ma...@gmail.com wrote: -- Forwarded message
RE: [PAYCO] Fwd: invitation to a PASMA/PAC elections rally
Cde Pinkie It is very disturbing that for the first time in 20 years of competitive elections that the PAC has not had major election campaigns. I watch news daily, but I hardly see PAC campaigning. My thinking is that, as it is apparent that are unlikely going to perform well, after elections all factions should come and reflect to rejuvenate the organisation. this could be the last breath of the PAC. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pinkie Monyane Sent: 26 April 2014 02:17 PM To: Mohlomphegi Mphahlele Cc: hlatshwayonhlakanipho; d...@pac.org.za; bulanng...@gmail.com; m...@pac.org.za; mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; danielmamony...@gmail.com; nol...@nactu.org.za; zun...@tut.ac.za; legalu...@sacwu.co.za; clementmar...@yahoo.com; Tumediso Modise; Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi; sndam...@pac-cape.org.za; gemoanako...@webmail.co.za; nnyq...@gmail.com; BONOLO TSHEGO; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; Dimakatso Moletsane; Lindo Thando; SELLO IRVIN LESABANE; np...@mweb.co.za; Mphiri Masoga; Tume Molomo; Xola Tyamzashe; mapulankoan...@gmail.com; Tebogo Sekele; Narius Moloto; Sbusiso Xaba; p...@vodamail.co.za; Madosky Obama; Keith Moyce; Albert Mokoena; moshemahlom...@gmail.com; Dr. Motsoko Pheko; Innocentia Mamaila; headoff...@sacwu.org.za; mose...@sacwu.co.za; nyalu...@live.co.za; payco@googlegroups.com; znyam...@gmail.com; ki...@pac.org.za; lucasmmol...@gmail.com; phillip Dhlamini; Lehlogonolo Digashu; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; Fumanile Ben; frambo...@gmail.com; bc...@netactive.co.za; Willy Fokane; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; pasma.gaut...@gmail.com; le...@pac.org.za; Metja Ledwaba; nufbw...@wbs.co.za; Excellent Rikhotso; Michael Muendane; butheyane mary serunye; Mbulelo Raymond; ms...@webmail.co.za; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; david mabitsela; mphahlel...@amcu.co.za; jntab...@gmail.com; fortune.speng...@gmail.com; Vusumuzi Silaule; Sbongiseni Ayanda; richardma...@yahoo.com; karabo mokgojwa; Phumzile Nomnga; tumelo tele; mop...@pac.org.za; miles.ndl...@yahoo.com; Cape; Sbu Fire; ntsiemohl...@gmail.com; rad...@gmail.com; Malesela Mogashwa; Edward Thobejane; pac.nc...@gmail.com; hlubi.so...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; tsatsawani chauke; Mofihli Likotsi; dud...@webmail.co.za; eddie mfulwane; Obakeng Jacobs; Johnson Mlambo; billiard.s...@gmail.com; khoi.so...@gmail.com; Thabo cyril Zwane; ic...@telkomsa.net; brian.gam...@unioinlife.co.za; mnd...@yahoo.com; Dumisani Mkhwente; INNOCENT FRIDAY; Vusi .Mahlangu; Jabulani Mothopeng; Smoll Zondo; po...@yahoo.com; ifm10...@iscor.com; goqwana.san...@gmail.com; Malinge Plaatjie; Dumisani Zwane; jabu mkhwanazi; Admin @ Pac; p...@npswu.org.co.za; mbind...@gmail.com; justice mvakali; Nhlanhla Fortune Xaba; sduduzo andiswa; patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; gabula.j...@webmail.com; generalsecret...@mwasa.org.za; Lejoni John Kekana; hoteli...@iburst.co.za; L Lekgwathi; Alton Mphethi; Xola Tyamzashe; ad...@fedcraw.org.za; mafub...@hotmail.com; kgothatso sithole; inqubelaphambili.tradeun...@gmail.com; MXOLISI MAISELA; zweli cele; ndhlo...@pac.org.za; Ali Maphalala; Tebogo Masipa; Nkosinathi Mngoma; esei...@fedcraw.org.za; nombule...@webmail.com; wandisile gajana; Tongogara Ndima Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Fwd: invitation to a PASMA/PAC elections rally Comrades I agree with Cde Mohlomphegi. Let us for once put the PAC above all other interests. After the elections, let's focus on building branches and build the party from the ground up. Let us stand together and campaign for the PAC. Izwelethu! Cde Pinkie Monyane On 26 Apr 2014 14:09, Mohlomphegi Mphahlele mphah...@eskom.co.zamailto:mphah...@eskom.co.za wrote: Comrade Tongongara You guys are the one embarrassing PAC. It is true PAC is currently suffering ideological coherent stance. So we must just assist the situation and stop continually dismissing our leadership. I always say to comrades that if one is not happy about a particular leader one must work hard to unseat that leader using our internal democratic processes. Hauling will not address your concerns. It is very much wise to focus yourself in developing a launching pad to address PAC problems. And that launching pad is your branch. So stop that and work your grounds. That’s where most of us fail. We think that we can correct the PAC ills by making the loudest noise. Teach the right thing. Prepare comrades for a PAC righteous path. That path is the implementation and utilisation of our Code of Conduct and our Constitution. All those leaders who transgress our code of conduct and our constitution will be answerable to the National Conference. Go out there and campaign for the PAC!!! From: Tongogara Ndima [mailto:ndimatongog...@gmail.commailto:ndimatongog...@gmail.com] Sent: 26 April 2014 12:51 PM To: payco@googlegroups.commailto:payco@googlegroups.com Cc: Admin @ Pac; Alton
Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: invitation to a PASMA/PAC elections rally
Ma Afrika I am concerned by Africanists who claim to be PAC but questioning PAC of their whereabouts, what role are you playing in the forthcoming elections. I am afraid that as the PAC we will surprise even those who de campaign PAC or those who are fence sitters waiting for the Congress to take over the PAC and slaughter it. Sorry I expect anyone who claim to Love PAC to do their bit either through physical or Financial contribution in their areas. I wonder if their families and friends will ensure PAC regain all Seats lost due to Political Prostitution and the Conduct of its Leader. Time for discussions and Boardroom meetings is suspended for now. Please let's not drag the PAC back/down and raise its Flag higher. Mphiri Zimbiri There are no better PAC people than others. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: Mduduzi Sibeko msib...@randwater.co.za Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 18:18:23 To: payco@googlegroups.compayco@googlegroups.com Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Fwd: invitation to a PASMA/PAC elections rally Cde Pinkie It is very disturbing that for the first time in 20 years of competitive elections that the PAC has not had major election campaigns. I watch news daily, but I hardly see PAC campaigning. My thinking is that, as it is apparent that are unlikely going to perform well, after elections all factions should come and reflect to rejuvenate the organisation. this could be the last breath of the PAC. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pinkie Monyane Sent: 26 April 2014 02:17 PM To: Mohlomphegi Mphahlele Cc: hlatshwayonhlakanipho; d...@pac.org.za; bulanng...@gmail.com; m...@pac.org.za; mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; danielmamony...@gmail.com; nol...@nactu.org.za; zun...@tut.ac.za; legalu...@sacwu.co.za; clementmar...@yahoo.com; Tumediso Modise; Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi; sndam...@pac-cape.org.za; gemoanako...@webmail.co.za; nnyq...@gmail.com; BONOLO TSHEGO; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; Dimakatso Moletsane; Lindo Thando; SELLO IRVIN LESABANE; np...@mweb.co.za; Mphiri Masoga; Tume Molomo; Xola Tyamzashe; mapulankoan...@gmail.com; Tebogo Sekele; Narius Moloto; Sbusiso Xaba; p...@vodamail.co.za; Madosky Obama; Keith Moyce; Albert Mokoena; moshemahlom...@gmail.com; Dr. Motsoko Pheko; Innocentia Mamaila; headoff...@sacwu.org.za; mose...@sacwu.co.za; nyalu...@live.co.za; payco@googlegroups.com; znyam...@gmail.com; ki...@pac.org.za; lucasmmol...@gmail.com; phillip Dhlamini; Lehlogonolo Digashu; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; Fumanile Ben; frambo...@gmail.com; bc...@netactive.co.za; Willy Fokane; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; pasma.gaut...@gmail.com; le...@pac.org.za; Metja Ledwaba; nufbw...@wbs.co.za; Excellent Rikhotso; Michael Muendane; butheyane mary serunye; Mbulelo Raymond; ms...@webmail.co.za; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; david mabitsela; mphahlel...@amcu.co.za; jntab...@gmail.com; fortune.speng...@gmail.com; Vusumuzi Silaule; Sbongiseni Ayanda; richardma...@yahoo.com; karabo mokgojwa; Phumzile Nomnga; tumelo tele; mop...@pac.org.za; miles.ndl...@yahoo.com; Cape; Sbu Fire; ntsiemohl...@gmail.com; rad...@gmail.com; Malesela Mogashwa; Edward Thobejane; pac.nc...@gmail.com; hlubi.so...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; tsatsawani chauke; Mofihli Likotsi; dud...@webmail.co.za; eddie mfulwane; Obakeng Jacobs; Johnson Mlambo; billiard.s...@gmail.com; khoi.so...@gmail.com; Thabo cyril Zwane; ic...@telkomsa.net; brian.gam...@unioinlife.co.za; mnd...@yahoo.com; Dumisani Mkhwente; INNOCENT FRIDAY; Vusi .Mahlangu; Jabulani Mothopeng; Smoll Zondo; po...@yahoo.com; ifm10...@iscor.com; goqwana.san...@gmail.com; Malinge Plaatjie; Dumisani Zwane; jabu mkhwanazi; Admin @ Pac; p...@npswu.org.co.za; mbind...@gmail.com; justice mvakali; Nhlanhla Fortune Xaba; sduduzo andiswa; patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; gabula.j...@webmail.com; generalsecret...@mwasa.org.za; Lejoni John Kekana; hoteli...@iburst.co.za; L Lekgwathi; Alton Mphethi; Xola Tyamzashe; ad...@fedcraw.org.za; mafub...@hotmail.com; kgothatso sithole; inqubelaphambili.tradeun...@gmail.com; MXOLISI MAISELA; zweli cele; ndhlo...@pac.org.za; Ali Maphalala; Tebogo Masipa; Nkosinathi Mngoma; esei...@fedcraw.org.za; nombule...@webmail.com; wandisile gajana; Tongogara Ndima Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Fwd: invitation to a PASMA/PAC elections rally Comrades I agree with Cde Mohlomphegi. Let us for once put the PAC above all other interests. After the elections, let's focus on building branches and build the party from the ground up. Let us stand together and campaign for the PAC. Izwelethu! Cde Pinkie Monyane On 26 Apr 2014 14:09, Mohlomphegi Mphahlele mphah...@eskom.co.zamailto:mphah...@eskom.co.za wrote: Comrade Tongongara You guys are the one embarrassing PAC. It is true PAC
Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: [PAC Tshwane] Fwd: Draft MANIFESTO
Dear Comrades This election manifesto is from the National Office. It was not drafted by Tshwane. We have submitted our contribution for the next version. On 15 November 2013 20:03, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi nrkgag...@gmail.comwrote: Dear M’Afrika Fikiswa Thanks for the clarification and again the energy of Tshwane Region is highly commended. Basic party practice prescribes that after having subjected a notion/proposal the democratic centralism as an organisational approach of decision it can be deemed binding to party members and structures as soon as the appropriate party constitutional structures/forums resolves and ratifies the idea. Secondly, the draft Tshwane represent a fundamental policy and ideological shift since it has a strong nationalist capitalist one will appreciate clarification of the basic questions I raised, which are the following:- • Land repossession with compensation and restitution to resolve the historical land repossession and further linked to a socialist political economic system ; • Centrally planned socialist economic system as the only viable form to achieve equitable distribution of wealth and eradication of poverty as the only viable and sustainable logic to realise national self-determination ; • Socialist Education to provide the society with knowledge and skills which will promote and advance to promote the educational, cultural and economic advancement of the African people; • Free Socialist Education from primary until university level • African Unity thus creation of a common governance system across the African Continent The sooner these basic questions are clarified, such will assist further deliberations. Shango lashu Nkrumah *From:* payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Fikiswa Ntshwanti *Sent:* 15 November 2013 10:49 AM *To:* payco *Subject:* Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: [PAC Tshwane] Fwd: Draft MANIFESTO Dear MÁfrika Nkrumah Thanks for taking time to read our draft manifesto(it's our draft , you included as the member of the organisation) and raising valid points . The aim of circulating it, is for every member of the organisation to give suggestions on what they would like to see in it. Your feedback will be highly appreciated. Izwe lethu. On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi nrkgag...@gmail.com wrote: M’Afrika Fekiswa Kindly clarify the following points (below mentioned) since your draft manifesto is silent on the basic party positions such as: ·Land repossession with compensation and restitution to resolve the historical land repossession and further linked to a socialist political economic system ; ·Centrally planned socialist economic system as the only viable form to achieve equitable distribution of wealth and eradication of poverty; ·Socialist Education to provide the society with knowledge and skills which will promote and advance to promote the educational, cultural and economic advancement of the African people; ·Free Education from primary until university level ·African Unity thus creation of a common governance system across the African Continent I find it interesting that the word “GOD” appears at least four (4) times, does this imply that you urge PAC to adopt some form of a Nationalist Christian Democracy model unferpinned by neo-liberal ideas? Shango lashu! Nkrumah *From:* payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Fikiswa Ntshwanti *Sent:* 14 November 2013 02:34 PM *To:* payco *Subject:* [PAYCO] Fwd: [PAC Tshwane] Fwd: Draft MANIFESTO Ma'Afrika Attached is our DRAFT manifesto for the 2014 elections. Izwe lethu -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Sending your posting
Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: [PAC Tshwane] Fwd: Draft MANIFESTO
Dear MÁfrika Nkrumah Thanks for taking time to read our draft manifesto(it's our draft , you included as the member of the organisation) and raising valid points . The aim of circulating it, is for every member of the organisation to give suggestions on what they would like to see in it. Your feedback will be highly appreciated. Izwe lethu. On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi nrkgag...@gmail.com wrote: M’Afrika Fekiswa Kindly clarify the following points (below mentioned) since your draft manifesto is silent on the basic party positions such as: ·Land repossession with compensation and restitution to resolve the historical land repossession and further linked to a socialist political economic system ; ·Centrally planned socialist economic system as the only viable form to achieve equitable distribution of wealth and eradication of poverty; ·Socialist Education to provide the society with knowledge and skills which will promote and advance to promote the educational, cultural and economic advancement of the African people; ·Free Education from primary until university level ·African Unity thus creation of a common governance system across the African Continent I find it interesting that the word “GOD” appears at least four (4) times, does this imply that you urge PAC to adopt some form of a Nationalist Christian Democracy model unferpinned by neo-liberal ideas? Shango lashu! Nkrumah *From:* payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Fikiswa Ntshwanti *Sent:* 14 November 2013 02:34 PM *To:* payco *Subject:* [PAYCO] Fwd: [PAC Tshwane] Fwd: Draft MANIFESTO Ma'Afrika Attached is our DRAFT manifesto for the 2014 elections. Izwe lethu -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: [PAYCO] Fwd: [PAC Tshwane] Fwd: Draft MANIFESTO
Comrades The steps taken by the Tshwane region to draft and submit for open discussion a PAC national manifesto for the 2014 general elections is for me a welcome move and should be encouraged and supported. There is nothing in our liberation movement that says initiatives like this should only come from the top or from some bureaucratic corner and then imposed on the broad membership and followers. In most instances these documents seems to be drafted by some single clever individual and suddenly party bureaucrats deliver them at the eleventh hour without even the intention to solicit response and ownership from cadres at the grassroots and middle ranking leadership of the PAC. I take my hat off to you, comrades in Tshwane. There are obvious and glaring flaws in the draft, and I go along with M'afrika Kgagudi on the points he is highlighting. Safe to say I don't have a phobia for G-d, the draft should have a section dealing with religious policy and moral laws to guide the spiritual leadership of the nation and state the PAC's unambiguous position. Greed, moral corruption and unscrupulous behavior by leaders and government entities should be tackled head on. We must explain why we would lead a clean government. The manifesto must have a theme, and catchphrase if you like to elicit attention and unique identification from the electorate. For instance, in 1994 the PAC said Africans deserve better, and the ANC taking cue from their advisers, viz., US Democrats in 1992, said We have a Plan). Recently the DA's Maimane is trying to emulate Obama's electoral campaign prowess. The draft manifesto should address the National Question: who are the citizens of this country and how do they identify themselves? The Constitution and the ANC understand this to mean four national groups, such as Whites, Blacks, Coloureds and Indians. This is Apartheid multi-plied, according to Sobukwe. What do we mean by the Azanian state and the definition of an African Nation? Why do we jealously defend land rights to the indigenous people, and why do we speak of sovereignty? A modern day socialist economic policy is crucial to assist and define how the PAC would stimulate growth and manage the 2014 to 2019 fiscal period? The financialisation of governments and states is collapsing after the 2008 meltdown started by Lehman Brothers, and the Eurozone is facing a social crisis. Our national economy is not in isolation from the rest of the world - and we shouldn't kowtow to the mess created by the so-called G20 rich nations. It is also important to zero in on public health, socialist education and even the climate change policy debate. The draft talks about Poverty, Inequality and Unemployment. These are already raised by the incumbent government as a sop to nullify opposition to their lack of delivery and empty promises. By raising the same points, the draft falls into the trap of framing the problems of South Africa in a simplistic manner and to follow behind the ANC's policy positions. Poverty is a result of the exploitation of Africa by Western powers - it is deliberately man-made; Inequality is endemic because reactionary theories that sustain white domination and herrenvolkism still persist without, frills and trapping; and Unemployment results from the combination of the two points, the development of new and fast communication technology, and uncertainties brought about by financialisation of world economies by the Bretton Woods finance institutions. I don't think moving away from calling Imperialism, Neo-colonialism, and Monopoly Capitalism by its real name is the right thing to do. We must maintain the revolutionary character of Pan Africanism. Even though I may sound negative to some of the points in the draft manifesto, what I'm getting at in supporting the initiative is that taking the discussion to the people and getting a feedback is the best method of consultation inside the Party and outside it. We must hold open and public meetings and let the people participate and endorse the manifesto as their own project. However, to go there repeating official positions of the government is suicidal and will not justify the existence of the PAC as an alternative political power. We are going to have to understand that there are many other parties campaigning for support and making ourselves different on an authentic basis is an imperative we cannot avoid. Izwe Jaki Seroke Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 14:33:43 +0200 Subject: [PAYCO] Fwd: [PAC Tshwane] Fwd: Draft MANIFESTO From: fikis...@gmail.com To: payco@googlegroups.com Ma'Afrika Attached is our DRAFT manifesto for the 2014 elections. Izwe lethu -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at
RE: [PAYCO] Fwd: [PAC Tshwane] Fwd: Draft MANIFESTO
Comrades The steps taken by the Tshwane region to draft and submit for open discussion a PAC national manifesto for the 2014 general elections is for me a welcome move and should be encouraged and supported. There is nothing in our liberation movement that says initiatives like this should only come from the top or from some bureaucratic corner and then imposed on the broad membership and followers. In most instances these documents seems to be drafted by some single clever individual and suddenly party bureaucrats deliver them at the eleventh hour without even the intention to solicit response and ownership from cadres at the grassroots and middle ranking leadership of the PAC. I take my hat off to you, comrades in Tshwane. There are obvious and glaring flaws in the draft, and I go along with M'afrika Kgagudi on the points he is highlighting. Safe to say I don't have a phobia for G-d, the draft should have a section dealing with religious policy and moral laws to guide the spiritual leadership of the nation and state the PAC's unambiguous position. Greed, moral corruption and unscrupulous behavior by leaders and government entities should be tackled head on. We must explain why we would lead a clean government. The manifesto must have a theme, and catchphrase if you like to elicit attention and unique identification from the electorate. For instance, in 1994 the PAC said Africans deserve better, and the ANC taking cue from their advisers, viz., US Democrats in 1992, said We have a Plan). Recently the DA's Maimane is trying to emulate Obama's electoral campaign prowess. The draft manifesto should address the National Question: who are the citizens of this country and how do they identify themselves? The Constitution and the ANC understand this to mean four national groups, such as Whites, Blacks, Coloureds and Indians. This is Apartheid multi-plied, according to Sobukwe. What do we mean by the Azanian state and the definition of an African Nation? Why do we jealously defend land rights to the indigenous people, and why do we speak of sovereignty? A modern day socialist economic policy is crucial to assist and define how the PAC would stimulate growth and manage the 2014 to 2019 fiscal period? The financialisation of governments and states is collapsing after the 2008 meltdown started by Lehman Brothers, and the Eurozone is facing a social crisis. Our national economy is not in isolation from the rest of the world - and we shouldn't kowtow to the mess created by the so-called G20 rich nations. It is also important to zero in on public health, socialist education and even the climate change policy debate. The draft talks about Poverty, Inequality and Unemployment. These are already raised by the incumbent government as a sop to nullify opposition to their lack of delivery and empty promises. By raising the same points, the draft falls into the trap of framing the problems of South Africa in a simplistic manner and to follow behind the ANC's policy positions. Poverty is a result of the exploitation of Africa by Western powers - it is deliberately man-made; Inequality is endemic because reactionary theories that sustain white domination and herrenvolkism still persist without, frills and trapping; and Unemployment results from the combination of the two points, the development of new and fast communication technology, and uncertainties brought about by financialisation of world economies by the Bretton Woods finance institutions. I don't think moving away from calling Imperialism, Neo-colonialism, and Monopoly Capitalism by its real name is the right thing to do. We must maintain the revolutionary character of Pan Africanism. Even though I may sound negative to some of the points in the draft manifesto, what I'm getting at in supporting the initiative is that taking the discussion to the people and getting a feedback is the best method of consultation inside the Party and outside it. We must hold open and public meetings and let the people participate and endorse the manifesto as their own project. However, to go there repeating official positions of the government is suicidal and will not justify the existence of the PAC as an alternative political power. We are going to have to understand that there are many other parties campaigning for support and making ourselves different on an authentic basis is an imperative we cannot avoid. Izwe Jaki Seroke Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 14:33:43 +0200 Subject: [PAYCO] Fwd: [PAC Tshwane] Fwd: Draft MANIFESTO From: fikis...@gmail.com To: payco@googlegroups.com Ma'Afrika Attached is our DRAFT manifesto for the 2014 elections. Izwe lethu -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at
RE: [PAYCO] Fwd: [PAC Tshwane] Fwd: Draft MANIFESTO
Dear M’Afrika Fikiswa Thanks for the clarification and again the energy of Tshwane Region is highly commended. Basic party practice prescribes that after having subjected a notion/proposal the democratic centralism as an organisational approach of decision it can be deemed binding to party members and structures as soon as the appropriate party constitutional structures/forums resolves and ratifies the idea. Secondly, the draft Tshwane represent a fundamental policy and ideological shift since it has a strong nationalist capitalist one will appreciate clarification of the basic questions I raised, which are the following:- • Land repossession with compensation and restitution to resolve the historical land repossession and further linked to a socialist political economic system ; • Centrally planned socialist economic system as the only viable form to achieve equitable distribution of wealth and eradication of poverty as the only viable and sustainable logic to realise national self-determination ; • Socialist Education to provide the society with knowledge and skills which will promote and advance to promote the educational, cultural and economic advancement of the African people; • Free Socialist Education from primary until university level • African Unity thus creation of a common governance system across the African Continent The sooner these basic questions are clarified, such will assist further deliberations. Shango lashu Nkrumah From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Fikiswa Ntshwanti Sent: 15 November 2013 10:49 AM To: payco Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: [PAC Tshwane] Fwd: Draft MANIFESTO Dear MÁfrika Nkrumah Thanks for taking time to read our draft manifesto(it's our draft , you included as the member of the organisation) and raising valid points . The aim of circulating it, is for every member of the organisation to give suggestions on what they would like to see in it. Your feedback will be highly appreciated. Izwe lethu. On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi nrkgag...@gmail.com wrote: M’Afrika Fekiswa Kindly clarify the following points (below mentioned) since your draft manifesto is silent on the basic party positions such as: ·Land repossession with compensation and restitution to resolve the historical land repossession and further linked to a socialist political economic system ; ·Centrally planned socialist economic system as the only viable form to achieve equitable distribution of wealth and eradication of poverty; ·Socialist Education to provide the society with knowledge and skills which will promote and advance to promote the educational, cultural and economic advancement of the African people; ·Free Education from primary until university level ·African Unity thus creation of a common governance system across the African Continent I find it interesting that the word “GOD” appears at least four (4) times, does this imply that you urge PAC to adopt some form of a Nationalist Christian Democracy model unferpinned by neo-liberal ideas? Shango lashu! Nkrumah From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Fikiswa Ntshwanti Sent: 14 November 2013 02:34 PM To: payco Subject: [PAYCO] Fwd: [PAC Tshwane] Fwd: Draft MANIFESTO Ma'Afrika Attached is our DRAFT manifesto for the 2014 elections. Izwe lethu -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:payco%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed
Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: Gauteng Provincial Congress Feedback
MOAforika Mothelo Please Explain WHAT Do YOU MEAN BY SAYING WESTRAND REGION IS THE BIGGEST ACHIEVER? LEFATSHE LA RONA Ndima On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Sbusiso Xaba sbusiso.x...@gmail.comwrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Thabang Mothelo mothe...@gmail.com Date: 6 August 2013 06:59 Subject: Gauteng Provincial Congress Feedback To: Thabang Mothelo mothe...@gmail.com Warm Greetings Pan Africanists, I sincerely want to thank each of you who participated in the Gauteng Provincial Congress. Whilst a lot was not done as anticipated, whereby we experienced historical problematic credentials subject once again, by and large, the consensus was made. Finally, the Congress proceeded after experiencing some technical glitches. And the election of leadership ensued as follows: Newly elected all-inclusive PEC is composed in the following manner: Chairperson - Mr Lesiba Lekgwathi - Tshwane Deo Chair- Mr Mike Mayende- Jhb Secretary- Mr Tumi Modise- West rand Dep Sec - Mr Reuben Rathelele - Tshwane Organiser - Ms Poppy- Sedibeng And all secretariat positions were filled and reflected all the regions. the biggest achiever was West Rand with minimum delegated I apologise for not capturing the names of secretariat due to the fact that I did not have their names or surname in exception of Cde Poppy. The newly elected Chair had committed his cabinet to do the following: (i) hold strategic session to derive working plan towards elections 2014 (ii) increase stability in the regions (iii) work co-cooperatively with all PAC members I will once again implore on all members to support the newly elected PAC Provincial Executive team, lets not only trust they will do the right things but let hold them(collectively so) accountable for PAC growth. Regards, Thabo Mothelo -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: FW: WHAT'S HAPPENING @ WITS 09.04.2013
Valuable info Thanx Joni! --- On Wed, 10/4/13, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi nrkgag...@gmail.com wrote: From: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi nrkgag...@gmail.com Subject: [PAYCO] Fwd: FW: WHAT'S HAPPENING @ WITS 09.04.2013 To: payco@googlegroups.com payco@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, 10 April, 2013, 8:48 Comrades Find email below for those who may be interested. Mr. Raymond Mashilo Kgagudi Cellphone: 0749226361 Email: nrkgag...@gmail.com -- Forwarded message -- From: Katlego Lefine katlego.lef...@wits.ac.za Date: 10 Apr 2013 09:28 Subject: FW: WHAT'S HAPPENING @ WITS 09.04.2013 To: nrkgag...@gmail.com nrkgag...@gmail.com 2013 AJ ORENSTEIN MEMORIAL LECTURE The Wits Faculty of Health and the Adler Museum of Medicine host the annual AJ Orenstein Memorial Lecture to be presented by Prof. Jock McCulloch, Professor in the School of Global, Urban and Social Studies, RMIT University, Melbourne, Australia. His lecture is titled Dust, Disease and Politics on South Africa’s Gold Mines and will focus on how an illusion of safety on South African mines was created and perpetuated. Date: 10 April 2013 Time: 18:00 Venue: Auditorium, Wits School of Public Health, Parktown Enquiries: adler.mus...@wits.ac.za or (011) 717-2067 FREE WEDNESDAY LUNCH-HOUR CONCERT Take a musical journey with the Wits Choir conducted by Dalene Hoogenhout. Free and open to all. Date:10 April Time: 13:15 - 13:50 Venue: Wits Great Hall, East Campus LANGUAGE AND POWER IN MATHEMATICS CLASSROOMS All mathematics learning is mediated through language. In addition to the political choice for a language of instruction, teachers make choices about how to speak and write within the language of instruction. All these choices shape students’ experience of mathematics, including their sense of autonomy and their sense of what mathematics is. In this seminar, David Wagner will draw from his research to highlight language choices made by mathematics teachers and others who influence the classroom, and to lead discussion about how these choices might play out in different contexts. David Wagner is the Associate Dean (Graduate Programs) in the Faculty of Education at the University of New Brunswick in Canada. For more information, see http://davewagner.ca Date: 11 April 2013 Time: 13:15 – 14:30 Venue: Staff Lounge, Wits School of Education Enquiries: matsie.mab...@wits.ac.za or (011) 717-3416 HOW DO WE THEORISE RAPE? The Wits Institute for Social and Economic Research (WISER) invites you to a panel discussion centred on how we think about rape and why, titled How do we theorise rape?. This panel takes off from the activist energies and legal investigative work we have witnessed at Wits University through February and March, energies and activism resonating with similar outrage and activism across South Africa. Panel 1: Shireen Hassim will focus on Rape as a “keyword”, Bonita Meyerfeld on Changing legal thinking about rape, Eusebius McKaiser on Thinking about intimacy and ethics in rape, Lisa Vetten - Morality, rape and risk, and Lyn Ossome on Rape and the crisis of liberal democratic states: Kenya and South Africa. Panel 2: Antje Schumann will focus on Objectify my Fist!” Rape, Recovery, Revenge, Carol Long on The view from psychology, Sheila Meintjes on Rape in War and its Aftermath, and Mbuyiselo Botha on Changing men in South Africa. Date: 11 April 2013 Time: 17:30 Venue: WISER Seminar Room, 6th Floor, Richard Ward Building, East Campus WITS FOCUS DAY 2013 Wits hosts its annual Focus Day on Friday, 12 April 2013 from 13:00-17:00. The event hosts all faculties on the Braamfontein Campus and is an excellent opportunity for top achieving Grade 11 and 12s and their parents to experience Wits and find out more about degrees and programmes on offer. Grade 11 and 12 learners interested in attending should register on http://www.wits.ac.za/yourfuture or www.witsuni.mobi SWOP BREAKFAST SEMINARS ON MARIKANA The Society, Work and Development Institute (SWOP) will convene a series of breakfast seminars that engage with different aspects of the Marikana Moment. Presenting on-going research by SWOP, the seminars will consider the increasing turbulence on the platinum belt, in the realms of business, community and labour respectively, as well as the intensification of intra-elite violence at a political level. Strike Violence Post-apartheid: Cases from Marikana and the 2012 Platinum Strike-Wave presented by Chrispen Chinguno, PhD Fellow (SWOP) Date: 12 April 2013 Time: 07:30 Venue: Hofmeyr House, East Campus Intra-elite Violence: Causes, Forms, Prospects presented by Prof. Karl von Holdt, Director: SWOP Date: 10 May 2013 Time: 07:30 Venue: Hofmeyr House, East Campus Info and RSVP: (011) 717-4460 or shameen.goven...@wits.ac.za CRITICAL RESEARCH IN CONSUMER CULTURE SEMINAR: THE BLACK CONSUMER The Critical Research into Consumer Culture (CRiCC) Network presents
Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: FW: FW:
Izwe lethu This comes as a reminder to all forces who have intentions to attend the upcoming PAYCO National Congress to be Held in Newcastle(KZN) on the 1st till 3rd March 2013. As per the invitation the closing date for affiliation is(tomorrow) 22nd February 2013 and the delegation fee is R150 per person(excluding catering and accommodation). Banking details are as follows FNB/ account number : 62240372805/Branch code: 250655. NB: It is of paramount importance to of us who are intending to attend to comply with all these to ensure that we are all in good standing. Lets all meet in KZN to shape the youth movement in the party. On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Fikiswa Ntshwanti fikis...@gmail.comwrote: -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Fix the Refrained Trip is materialising, please prepare yourself for EC journey next week from Friday to Monday, I've asked Sbu to book a car for us --- On Thu, 21/2/13, Fikiswa Ntshwanti fikis...@gmail.com wrote: From: Fikiswa Ntshwanti fikis...@gmail.com Subject: [PAYCO] Fwd: FW: FW: To: payco payco@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, 21 February, 2013, 11:40 -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: [PAYCO] Fwd: RE: Mkhwananzi Documents by Prof SR Shabalala
In the end it is the family which decide where they want the funeral to take place.the frustrations and unhappiness is fully understood.but the family decisions must be respected. Regards, Narius Moloto General Secretary BCAWU Tel: 011 333 0881 Fax: 086 520 0413 E-mail: mailto:g...@bcawu.co.za g...@bcawu.co.za From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of vusie Sent: 04 January 2013 04:17 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: [PAYCO] Fwd: RE: Mkhwananzi Documents by Prof SR Shabalala Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 Original Message Subject: RE: Mkhwananzi Documents by Prof SR Shabalala From: Dedanizizwe Shabalala productiongem...@yahoo.com To: vu...@telkomsa.net,phindilex...@yahoo.com,mwnar...@mweb.com,lauretta.ngcobo@ gmail.com,luyand...@gmail.com,desta...@lantic.net,sizan...@mweb.co.za,pasika nontsh...@yahoo.com CC: Please find attached the documents written by Prof. SR Shabalala for your reading. Regards Mr. D Shabalala -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com image003.jpg
Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: RE: Mkhwananzi Documents by Prof SR Shabalala
Greetings, I share the sentiments of Prof Shabalala infact they represent the collective dismay of PAC members in KZN. As much as one agrees with the view held by cde Moloto that the family is within its right to decide as to where to bury their loved one but this view does not apply to those who have dedicated their entire lives to the struggle. If this view is entrenched we would arrive in a funeral of a comrade and we would be told there would be no political speeches or worse the entire affair be handled by ANC or DA. Families must be made aware that we have equally the same claim to the comrade as they have if not more. Families must not be allowed to do as they please when the comrade is not there to dictate what should happen with his/her burial. PAC should not be apologetic at all on these issues. Mkhwanazi's constituency has been deprived an opportunity to bury and give farewell to their leader of decades. Farewell Ndonga! Kwame Ndebele PAYCO President Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -Original Message- From: Narius Moloto g...@bcawu.co.za Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 11:03:50 To: payco@googlegroups.com Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Fwd: RE: Mkhwananzi Documents by Prof SR Shabalala In the end it is the family which decide where they want the funeral to take place.the frustrations and unhappiness is fully understood.but the family decisions must be respected. Regards, Narius Moloto General Secretary BCAWU Tel: 011 333 0881 Fax: 086 520 0413 E-mail: mailto:g...@bcawu.co.za g...@bcawu.co.za From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of vusie Sent: 04 January 2013 04:17 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: [PAYCO] Fwd: RE: Mkhwananzi Documents by Prof SR Shabalala Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 Original Message Subject: RE: Mkhwananzi Documents by Prof SR Shabalala From: Dedanizizwe Shabalala productiongem...@yahoo.com To: vu...@telkomsa.net,phindilex...@yahoo.com,mwnar...@mweb.com,lauretta.ngcobo@ gmail.com,luyand...@gmail.com,desta...@lantic.net,sizan...@mweb.co.za,pasika nontsh...@yahoo.com CC: Please find attached the documents written by Prof. SR Shabalala for your reading. Regards Mr. D Shabalala -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com image003.jpg
Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: RE: Mkhwananzi Documents by Prof SR Shabalala
Veteran Khwani's family decision to have him buried in GP leaves a gaping hole to in the Africanist family which indeed is a huge dissappointment. Families expect a lot from the PAC which unfortunately has become a shadow of its former self. Truth is, Africanists are hamstrung and helpless, however, I can vouch for KZN comrades at how they took care of Cde.Khwani in his lifetime, I remember him at the premier of the SABC documentary,Sobukwe: the Great Soul where he was carried literally by Cde.Matome Mashoa. I am reliably informed by Cdes Njabulo et al that he was at the June 16 commemoration in Mgungundlovu Africanist should feel betrayed by the decision but it also proves how much we need to teach ourselves about the politcs of class suicide in as far as who owns a comrade,party or family. In the meantime, the best we can do is converge to GP and give our veteran a fitting tribute and farewell. From: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi nrkgag...@gmail.com To: payco@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, 5 January 2013, 12:51 Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: RE: Mkhwananzi Documents by Prof SR Shabalala Moafrika Linda Your view and those from Prof Tshabalala represent a collective and popular feeling of members of the party, such practices and traditions are known by party members who never abondaned. The PAC flags is carried higher throughout particularly during the lost moment when comrades bid farewell to one of their own. The party today continue to suffer from absence of a rooted and dedicated party political leadership, sadly we are faced with position holders that hides in words such as the wishes of the family, sad indeed. Be that as it may be and against all odds, as members of the party lets converge a bid farewell to a leader who made life sacrifices for the objectives PAC stands for and its programme. PAC, PAYCO- PASMA members must converge in numbers May Moafrika Khwane rest in peace! And the task to reclaim PAC for the revolution be pursued! No Compromise -No Surrender! Izwe Lethu! Mr. Raymond Mashilo Kgagudi Cellphone: 0749226361 Email: nrkgag...@gmail.com On 5 Jan 2013 12:23, linda ndebele kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za wrote: Greetings, I share the sentiments of Prof Shabalala infact they represent the collective dismay of PAC members in KZN. As much as one agrees with the view held by cde Moloto that the family is within its right to decide as to where to bury their loved one but this view does not apply to those who have dedicated their entire lives to the struggle. If this view is entrenched we would arrive in a funeral of a comrade and we would be told there would be no political speeches or worse the entire affair be handled by ANC or DA. Families must be made aware that we have equally the same claim to the comrade as they have if not more. Families must not be allowed to do as they please when the comrade is not there to dictate what should happen with his/her burial. PAC should not be apologetic at all on these issues. Mkhwanazi's constituency has been deprived an opportunity to bury and give farewell to their leader of decades. Farewell Ndonga! Kwame Ndebele PAYCO President Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! From: Narius Moloto g...@bcawu.co.za Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 11:03:50 +0200 To: payco@googlegroups.com ReplyTo: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Fwd: RE: Mkhwananzi Documents by Prof SR Shabalala In the end it is the family which decide where they want the funeral to take place.the frustration... -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsu...-- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: Fw: PAC Joburg will join the march
Afrikanists, Seemingly people have been waiting for an opportunity to express their long held views about the current PAYCO leadership, how I wish such views and interest in PAYCO were expressed during difficult times of parallel structures and dis-ownership. While its our mandate as individual PAC members to permeate and swell the ranks of community structures for the purpose of advancing an Afrikanist cause or agenda in such forums, we must ensure that we don't just drag the entire organisation, especially when there is no policy position. This as PAYCO Leadership we raise as a matter of principle. The matter of participating as a structure has to be properly managed so that history does not judge us harshly for opportunistically aligning ourselves, as a Structure (PAYCO), with enemy agents or campaigns that may tarnish our integrity. Therefore in principle we are not opposed to individual members projecting and representing Afrikanist views in such forums but organisationally or structurally we must rigorously engage a report from that individual member and then collectively decide on our participation or lack thereof. PAYCO President was simply providing leadership so that the organisation is not entangled or held to ransom by individual member's participation in such forums. Our individual desire to participate and therefore get recognition must not cloud our collective rationality and deter the organisation in its revolutionary pursuits. Izwe Lethu i-Afrika, Lest We Forget Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -Original Message- From: Nkrumah nrkgag...@gmail.com Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 09:30:09 To: kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za; payco@googlegroups.com Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Cc: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: Fw: PAC Joburg will join the march MoAfrika Ndebele No NGO wil define and determine PAC nor PAYCO policy position such a task remains as an internal organisational-party matter. Not all NGO's are funded by western capitalist agencies, there are formations such as Abihlali Ba Se Mjondolo and also the former Iscor Workers NGO's and many other formations which are driven and led by genuine community and workers' leaders which as the party and also PAYCO can develop tactical political relationship. Party cadres will understand for long the party has been detached from daily struggles waged by communities and various community based organisation, now the conditions demand upon us to close and occupy the political space by being vocal and forming part of these struggles. Also, it is in these platforms that those funded by capitalist should be exposed and deprived space not to misleas and misinform the masses. The bottom line is cyber space militancy which lacks practical actions on ground serves no purpose. The only basis to build a vibrant PAYCO and the party is when political work is integrate with daily struggles of the African communities and workers. Absence of action creates a political space for other forces of either reaction and counter revolutionary to occupy, and this becomes a disservice to the party and also goes against the very slogan of PAYCO programme being Ideolise, Organise and Take Over (IOTA). I can only hope as PAYCO leadership, there will be a principled convergence of ideas on this matter. shango lasho Nkrumah Sent from Samsung tablet linda ndebele kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za wrote: We would not allow NGO's to define our policy positions. These NGO's are funded and propagate corporate agenda. PAC is not for sale. Why the so called action must benefit NGO's not PAC. We are all involved in community activism but we don't see a need to blow our own trumpet, but that has nothing to do with policy position. Policy positions of the PAC cannot be defined by western funded NGO's but by the material conditions of our people Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -Original Message- From: Cape paccapeme...@webmail.co.za Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 08:09:53 To: payco@googlegroups.com; Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudinrkgag...@gmail.com Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: Fw: PAC Joburg will join the march Well said cde Ray, we cannot wait for the policy formulation before we act, our primary duty as Pan Africanist is to participate to all community structures and redirect them towards the pan africanist ideas. I have been watchinng cdes criticised those who are in action but they do nothing. How so wish that PAYCO can call an urgent congress, so that they can have series policy formulation. It is my first time when you call yourself leadership but you criticised those are in action. Whenthis forum was establish was to share great ideas not critic the progress of others. Sello please go and rally masses and challenge the current system while other are sitting
Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: Fw: PAC Joburg will join the march
Comrades An attempt to defeat an advance which seeks to pursue a tactical line using an argument that PAC or PAYCO has no policy on green energy or enegry generation fails to appreciate a tactital position that can be attained. The reason PAC and PAYCO continue to be unknown, is as a result of such fear driven methods in some cases it public phobia methods whereat leaders and members resort usage of lack of policy as the basis to justify inaction or none-action. Surely with brains at the disposal of Payco this can be used as a process to formulate a policy statement and campaigns worth to be considered at the next PAYCO congress. Arguments advanced by Cde Lindi and Cde Sello surely do hold water thus comrades should aim towards convergence of ideas, as Mao said let the 1000 flowers blossom and thousand schools of thought contend, we cannot afford not to act, and we cannot afford to sharpen contradictions and raise hostilities among ourselves as comrades. I can only urge comrades to sieze the space and exploit it advancing a tactical line and also use this occurance to formulate an energy generation and water policy statement and campiagn on energy generation water. Shango lasho Mr. Raymond Mashilo Kgagudi Cellphone: 0749226361 Email: nrkgag...@gmail.com On 6 Nov 2012 21:10, Bongani Keith panmaz...@gmail.com wrote: Comrade lack of party/payco policy on energy is creating a vacuum in propagatin' our position. I wil suggest to those cadres who have been invited to ask themselves question what will payco achieve in this regard? As i don't believe that payco should partake in this march we've nothing to gain. On 11/6/12, linda ndebele kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za wrote: There's no policy position I know on this issue in the PAC. When you partake as PAYCO or PAC it should be founded on policy position of the party, when we represent the party in different platforms in reality we advance party policy position not ourselves and our individual views. We need to look at the pros cons of the issue not mere excitement. Mandela made the decision to stop nuclear proliferation in SA out of excitement and to please the outside world, the consequences had devastating effects to the poor and working class in the form of exorbitant electricity prices and billions wasted maintaining nuclear infrastructure that no longer service society. I believe PAC government with its industrial strategy founded on fast-tracking economic emancipation and massive industrialization we cannot afford to dismiss nuclear energy completely. Of course we should also make radical steps to move to environmentally friendly renewable energy but we can't perform miracles, western powers who are major polluters must lead the way, they can't have it both ways, proponents of renewable energy and keep nuclear energy. Africa's pollution is less than 1%, for me these campaigns are misplaced they must target western polluters. Let's look these issues from the correct political context informed by our socioeconomic challenges and standing in world politics. Linda Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -Original Message- From: sello Tladi rmse...@gmail.com Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 14:47:15 To: payco@googlegroups.com Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: Fw: PAC Joburg will join the march Izwe Lethu! Comrade President,Iam expecting you as my political Principal to be more informed around the issues of Green politics Renewable energy a.We are not opposed to industrial development however we are opposed to the use of nuclear energy hence there are environmental friendly alternatives that could be used,Green Renewable Energy and solar are the alternative.We cannot allow the corporates and Western countries continue to use Nuclear energy that is polluting our environment and putting the lives of the working class at risk.The law of money making doesn't care for the laws of nature. Cde President should we keep quite when the Developed Capitalist countries are exporting the ecological crisis to Africa,by dumping toxic waste and establishing the most environmentally destructive industries in Africa. I will continue to PUSH this campaigns,as I sit in the Green Energy Forum on my capacity as PAYCO NEC Member and Community activist.There are future workshops planned to empower our constituencies around Green Politics (Environment/Energy).I Comrades around Soweto please contact me for transport. Sello Tladi PAYCO(NEC Member and National Spokesperson) 083 859 1654 On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 1:56 AM, linda ndebele kwamendeb...@webmail.co.zawrote: ** PAC would join the march on what basis? Is it a principled policy position or NGO opportunistic position? From a developing country that needs urgent boost on industrialization
Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: Fw: PAC Joburg will join the march
Well said cde Ray, we cannot wait for the policy formulation before we act, our primary duty as Pan Africanist is to participate to all community structures and redirect them towards the pan africanist ideas. I have been watchinng cdes criticised those who are in action but they do nothing. How so wish that PAYCO can call an urgent congress, so that they can have series policy formulation. It is my first time when you call yourself leadership but you criticised those are in action. Whenthis forum was establish was to share great ideas not critic the progress of others. Sello please go and rally masses and challenge the current system while other are sitting back and watching progress. In na high tone note we are willing to listen to the leadership of PAYCO, if they aligned themselves with the masses, specificaly the youth of the PAC. The best solution is to call a Congress. I remain Pan Africanist - On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 19:10:24 +0200 Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi wrote Comrades An attempt to defeat an advance which seeks to pursue a tactical line using an argument that PAC or PAYCO has no policy on green energy or enegry generation fails to appreciate a tactital position that can be attained. The reason PAC and PAYCO continue to be unknown, is as a result of such fear driven methods in some cases it public phobia methods whereat leaders and members resort usage of lack of policy as the basis to justify inaction or none-action. Surely with brains at the disposal of Payco this can be used as a process to formulate a policy statement and campaigns worth to be considered at the next PAYCO congress. Arguments advanced by Cde Lindi and Cde Sello surely do hold water thus comrades should aim towards convergence of ideas, as Mao said let the 1000 flowers blossom and thousand schools of thought contend, we cannot afford not to act, and we cannot afford to sharpen contradictions and raise hostilities among ourselves as comrades. I can only urge comrades to sieze the space and exploit it advancing a tactical line and also use this occurance to formulate an energy generation and water policy statement and campiagn on energy generation border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;Comrade lack of party/payco policy on energy is creating a vacuum in propagatin' our position. I wil suggest to those cadres who have been invited to ask themselves question what will payco achieve in this regard? As i don't believe that payco should partake in this march we've nothing to gain. On 11/6/12, linda ndebele wrote: There's no policy position I know on this issue in the PAC. When you partake as PAYCO or PAC it should be founded on policy position of the party, when we represent the party in different platforms in reality we advance party policy position not ourselves and our individual views. We need to look at the pros cons of the issue not mere excitement. Mandela made the decision to stop nuclear proliferation in SA out of excitement and to please the outside world, the consequences had devastating effects to the poor and working class in the form of exorbitant electricity prices and billions wasted maintaining nuclear infrastructure that no longer service society. I believe PAC government with its industrial strategy founded on fast-tracking economic emancipation and massive industrialization we cannot afford to dismiss nuclear energy completely. Of course we should also make radical steps to move to environmentally friendly renewable energy but we can't perform miracles, western powers who are major polluters must lead the way, they can't have it both ways, proponents of renewable energy and keep nuclear energy. Africa's pollution is less than 1%, for me these campaigns are misplaced they must target western polluters. Let's look these issues from the correct political context informed by our socioeconomic challenges and standing in world politics. Linda Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -Original Message- From: sello Tladi Sender: payco@googlegroups.com [5] Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 14:47:15 To: Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com [7] Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: Fw: PAC Joburg will join the march Izwe Lethu! Comrade President,Iam expecting you as my political Principal to be more informed around the issues of Green politics Renewable energy a.We are not opposed to industrial development however we are opposed to the use of nuclear energy hence there are environmental friendly alternatives that could be used,Green Renewable Energy and solar are the alternative.We cannot allow the corporates and Western countries continue to use Nuclear energy that is polluting our environment and putting the lives of the working class at risk.The law of money making doesn't care for the laws of nature. Cde President should we keep quite when the Developed Capitalist countries are exporting the ecological crisis to Africa,by dumping
Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: Fw: PAC Joburg will join the march
MoAfrika Ndebele No NGO wil define and determine PAC nor PAYCO policy position such a task remains as an internal organisational-party matter. Not all NGO's are funded by western capitalist agencies, there are formations such as Abihlali Ba Se Mjondolo and also the former Iscor Workers NGO's and many other formations which are driven and led by genuine community and workers' leaders which as the party and also PAYCO can develop tactical political relationship. Party cadres will understand for long the party has been detached from daily struggles waged by communities and various community based organisation, now the conditions demand upon us to close and occupy the political space by being vocal and forming part of these struggles. Also, it is in these platforms that those funded by capitalist should be exposed and deprived space not to misleas and misinform the masses. The bottom line is cyber space militancy which lacks practical actions on ground serves no purpose. The only basis to build a vibrant PAYCO and the party is when political work is integrate with daily struggles of the African communities and workers. Absence of action creates a political space for other forces of either reaction and counter revolutionary to occupy, and this becomes a disservice to the party and also goes against the very slogan of PAYCO programme being Ideolise, Organise and Take Over (IOTA). I can only hope as PAYCO leadership, there will be a principled convergence of ideas on this matter. shango lasho Nkrumah Sent from Samsung tablet linda ndebele kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za wrote: We would not allow NGO's to define our policy positions. These NGO's are funded and propagate corporate agenda. PAC is not for sale. Why the so called action must benefit NGO's not PAC. We are all involved in community activism but we don't see a need to blow our own trumpet, but that has nothing to do with policy position. Policy positions of the PAC cannot be defined by western funded NGO's but by the material conditions of our people Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -Original Message- From: Cape paccapeme...@webmail.co.za Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 08:09:53 To: payco@googlegroups.com; Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudinrkgag...@gmail.com Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: Fw: PAC Joburg will join the march Well said cde Ray, we cannot wait for the policy formulation before we act, our primary duty as Pan Africanist is to participate to all community structures and redirect them towards the pan africanist ideas. I have been watchinng cdes criticised those who are in action but they do nothing. How so wish that PAYCO can call an urgent congress, so that they can have series policy formulation. It is my first time when you call yourself leadership but you criticised those are in action. Whenthis forum was establish was to share great ideas not critic the progress of others. Sello please go and rally masses and challenge the current system while other are sitting back and watching progress. In na high tone note we are willing to listen to the leadership of PAYCO, if they aligned themselves with the masses, specificaly the youth of the PAC. The best solution is to call a Congress. I remain Pan Africanist - On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 19:10:24 +0200 Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi wrote Comrades An attempt to defeat an advance which seeks to pursue a tactical line using an argument that PAC or PAYCO has no policy on green energy or enegry generation fails to appreciate a tactital position that can be attained. The reason PAC and PAYCO continue to be unknown, is as a result of such fear driven methods in some cases it public phobia methods whereat leaders and members resort usage of lack of policy as the basis to justify inaction or none-action. Surely with brains at the disposal of Payco this can be used as a process to formulate a policy statement and campaigns worth to be considered at the next PAYCO congress. Arguments advanced by Cde Lindi and Cde Sello surely do hold water thus comrades should aim towards convergence of ideas, as Mao said let the 1000 flowers blossom and thousand schools of thought contend, we cannot afford not to act, and we cannot afford to sharpen contradictions and raise hostilities among ourselves as comrades. I can only urge comrades to sieze the space and exploit it advancing a tactical line and also use this occurance to formulate an energy generation and water policy statement and campiagn on energy generation border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;Comrade lack of party/payco policy on energy is creating a vacuum in propagatin' our position. I wil suggest to those cadres who have been invited to ask themselves question what will payco achieve in this regard? As i don't believe that payco should partake in this march we've nothing to gain. On 11/6/12, linda ndebele wrote
Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: Fw: PAC Joburg will join the march
Comrade lack of party/payco policy on energy is creating a vacuum in propagatin' our position. I wil suggest to those cadres who have been invited to ask themselves question what will payco achieve in this regard? As i don't believe that payco should partake in this march we've nothing to gain. On 11/6/12, linda ndebele kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za wrote: There's no policy position I know on this issue in the PAC. When you partake as PAYCO or PAC it should be founded on policy position of the party, when we represent the party in different platforms in reality we advance party policy position not ourselves and our individual views. We need to look at the pros cons of the issue not mere excitement. Mandela made the decision to stop nuclear proliferation in SA out of excitement and to please the outside world, the consequences had devastating effects to the poor and working class in the form of exorbitant electricity prices and billions wasted maintaining nuclear infrastructure that no longer service society. I believe PAC government with its industrial strategy founded on fast-tracking economic emancipation and massive industrialization we cannot afford to dismiss nuclear energy completely. Of course we should also make radical steps to move to environmentally friendly renewable energy but we can't perform miracles, western powers who are major polluters must lead the way, they can't have it both ways, proponents of renewable energy and keep nuclear energy. Africa's pollution is less than 1%, for me these campaigns are misplaced they must target western polluters. Let's look these issues from the correct political context informed by our socioeconomic challenges and standing in world politics. Linda Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -Original Message- From: sello Tladi rmse...@gmail.com Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 14:47:15 To: payco@googlegroups.com Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: Fw: PAC Joburg will join the march Izwe Lethu! Comrade President,Iam expecting you as my political Principal to be more informed around the issues of Green politics Renewable energy a.We are not opposed to industrial development however we are opposed to the use of nuclear energy hence there are environmental friendly alternatives that could be used,Green Renewable Energy and solar are the alternative.We cannot allow the corporates and Western countries continue to use Nuclear energy that is polluting our environment and putting the lives of the working class at risk.The law of money making doesn't care for the laws of nature. Cde President should we keep quite when the Developed Capitalist countries are exporting the ecological crisis to Africa,by dumping toxic waste and establishing the most environmentally destructive industries in Africa. I will continue to PUSH this campaigns,as I sit in the Green Energy Forum on my capacity as PAYCO NEC Member and Community activist.There are future workshops planned to empower our constituencies around Green Politics (Environment/Energy).I Comrades around Soweto please contact me for transport. Sello Tladi PAYCO(NEC Member and National Spokesperson) 083 859 1654 On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 1:56 AM, linda ndebele kwamendeb...@webmail.co.zawrote: ** PAC would join the march on what basis? Is it a principled policy position or NGO opportunistic position? From a developing country that needs urgent boost on industrialization and massive need of energy resources, nuclear remains an important option. We just cannot join a bandwagon of western countries who are developed and used the very cheap nuclear energy to get where they are today. Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -- *From: * sello Tladi rmse...@gmail.com *Sender: * payco@googlegroups.com *Date: *Sun, 4 Nov 2012 01:38:14 -0800 *To: *payco@googlegroups.com *ReplyTo: * payco@googlegroups.com *Subject: *[PAYCO] Fwd: Fw: PAC Joburg will join the march --- On *Sun, 11/4/12, lehlohonolo Shale lehlohonolosh...@yahoo.com*wrote: From: lehlohonolo Shale lehlohonolosh...@yahoo.com Subject: PAC Joburg will join the march To: montja...@yahoo.com Date: Sunday, November 4, 2012, 11:30 AM Dear Cde We are planning to participate in the march below. Regards Hloni [image: file:///tmp/NuclearPamphlet_Front.jpg] -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com -- Sending your
Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: Fw: PAC Joburg will join the march
PAC/PAYCO cannot be subservient to NGO's Agenda's, we must lead NGO's not the other way around. We must refuse to be an extension of NGO's. Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -Original Message- From: Bongani Keith panmaz...@gmail.com Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 21:10:11 To: payco@googlegroups.com Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: Fw: PAC Joburg will join the march Comrade lack of party/payco policy on energy is creating a vacuum in propagatin' our position. I wil suggest to those cadres who have been invited to ask themselves question what will payco achieve in this regard? As i don't believe that payco should partake in this march we've nothing to gain. On 11/6/12, linda ndebele kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za wrote: There's no policy position I know on this issue in the PAC. When you partake as PAYCO or PAC it should be founded on policy position of the party, when we represent the party in different platforms in reality we advance party policy position not ourselves and our individual views. We need to look at the pros cons of the issue not mere excitement. Mandela made the decision to stop nuclear proliferation in SA out of excitement and to please the outside world, the consequences had devastating effects to the poor and working class in the form of exorbitant electricity prices and billions wasted maintaining nuclear infrastructure that no longer service society. I believe PAC government with its industrial strategy founded on fast-tracking economic emancipation and massive industrialization we cannot afford to dismiss nuclear energy completely. Of course we should also make radical steps to move to environmentally friendly renewable energy but we can't perform miracles, western powers who are major polluters must lead the way, they can't have it both ways, proponents of renewable energy and keep nuclear energy. Africa's pollution is less than 1%, for me these campaigns are misplaced they must target western polluters. Let's look these issues from the correct political context informed by our socioeconomic challenges and standing in world politics. Linda Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -Original Message- From: sello Tladi rmse...@gmail.com Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 14:47:15 To: payco@googlegroups.com Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: Fw: PAC Joburg will join the march Izwe Lethu! Comrade President,Iam expecting you as my political Principal to be more informed around the issues of Green politics Renewable energy a.We are not opposed to industrial development however we are opposed to the use of nuclear energy hence there are environmental friendly alternatives that could be used,Green Renewable Energy and solar are the alternative.We cannot allow the corporates and Western countries continue to use Nuclear energy that is polluting our environment and putting the lives of the working class at risk.The law of money making doesn't care for the laws of nature. Cde President should we keep quite when the Developed Capitalist countries are exporting the ecological crisis to Africa,by dumping toxic waste and establishing the most environmentally destructive industries in Africa. I will continue to PUSH this campaigns,as I sit in the Green Energy Forum on my capacity as PAYCO NEC Member and Community activist.There are future workshops planned to empower our constituencies around Green Politics (Environment/Energy).I Comrades around Soweto please contact me for transport. Sello Tladi PAYCO(NEC Member and National Spokesperson) 083 859 1654 On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 1:56 AM, linda ndebele kwamendeb...@webmail.co.zawrote: ** PAC would join the march on what basis? Is it a principled policy position or NGO opportunistic position? From a developing country that needs urgent boost on industrialization and massive need of energy resources, nuclear remains an important option. We just cannot join a bandwagon of western countries who are developed and used the very cheap nuclear energy to get where they are today. Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -- *From: * sello Tladi rmse...@gmail.com *Sender: * payco@googlegroups.com *Date: *Sun, 4 Nov 2012 01:38:14 -0800 *To: *payco@googlegroups.com *ReplyTo: * payco@googlegroups.com *Subject: *[PAYCO] Fwd: Fw: PAC Joburg will join the march --- On *Sun, 11/4/12, lehlohonolo Shale lehlohonolosh...@yahoo.com*wrote: From: lehlohonolo Shale lehlohonolosh...@yahoo.com Subject: PAC Joburg will join the march To: montja...@yahoo.com Date: Sunday, November 4, 2012, 11:30 AM Dear Cde We are planning to participate in the march below. Regards Hloni [image: file:///tmp/NuclearPamphlet_Front.jpg] -- -- Sending your posting
Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: Fw: PAC Joburg will join the march
In regardless of party position we remain activist in different constituent groups as individuals. No one could claim that he or she started being an activist after joining the party. Therefore I appeal to our comrades that, if its a good cause worth fighting for join and make a different in your own community, Don`t wait for party positions as our party lack proper structures or platform to shape its own policy. However members must distanced themselves in representing the party without a mandate or party position. Edwin Soso --- On Tue, 11/6/12, Bongani Keith panmaz...@gmail.com wrote: From: Bongani Keith panmaz...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: Fw: PAC Joburg will join the march To: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 9:10 PM Comrade lack of party/payco policy on energy is creating a vacuum in propagatin' our position. I wil suggest to those cadres who have been invited to ask themselves question what will payco achieve in this regard? As i don't believe that payco should partake in this march we've nothing to gain. On 11/6/12, linda ndebele kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za wrote: There's no policy position I know on this issue in the PAC. When you partake as PAYCO or PAC it should be founded on policy position of the party, when we represent the party in different platforms in reality we advance party policy position not ourselves and our individual views. We need to look at the pros cons of the issue not mere excitement. Mandela made the decision to stop nuclear proliferation in SA out of excitement and to please the outside world, the consequences had devastating effects to the poor and working class in the form of exorbitant electricity prices and billions wasted maintaining nuclear infrastructure that no longer service society. I believe PAC government with its industrial strategy founded on fast-tracking economic emancipation and massive industrialization we cannot afford to dismiss nuclear energy completely. Of course we should also make radical steps to move to environmentally friendly renewable energy but we can't perform miracles, western powers who are major polluters must lead the way, they can't have it both ways, proponents of renewable energy and keep nuclear energy. Africa's pollution is less than 1%, for me these campaigns are misplaced they must target western polluters. Let's look these issues from the correct political context informed by our socioeconomic challenges and standing in world politics. Linda Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -Original Message- From: sello Tladi rmse...@gmail.com Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 14:47:15 To: payco@googlegroups.com Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: Fw: PAC Joburg will join the march Izwe Lethu! Comrade President,Iam expecting you as my political Principal to be more informed around the issues of Green politics Renewable energy a.We are not opposed to industrial development however we are opposed to the use of nuclear energy hence there are environmental friendly alternatives that could be used,Green Renewable Energy and solar are the alternative.We cannot allow the corporates and Western countries continue to use Nuclear energy that is polluting our environment and putting the lives of the working class at risk.The law of money making doesn't care for the laws of nature. Cde President should we keep quite when the Developed Capitalist countries are exporting the ecological crisis to Africa,by dumping toxic waste and establishing the most environmentally destructive industries in Africa. I will continue to PUSH this campaigns,as I sit in the Green Energy Forum on my capacity as PAYCO NEC Member and Community activist.There are future workshops planned to empower our constituencies around Green Politics (Environment/Energy).I Comrades around Soweto please contact me for transport. Sello Tladi PAYCO(NEC Member and National Spokesperson) 083 859 1654 On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 1:56 AM, linda ndebele kwamendeb...@webmail.co.zawrote: ** PAC would join the march on what basis? Is it a principled policy position or NGO opportunistic position? From a developing country that needs urgent boost on industrialization and massive need of energy resources, nuclear remains an important option. We just cannot join a bandwagon of western countries who are developed and used the very cheap nuclear energy to get where they are today. Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -- *From: * sello Tladi rmse...@gmail.com *Sender: * payco@googlegroups.com *Date: *Sun, 4 Nov 2012 01:38:14 -0800 *To: *payco@googlegroups.com *ReplyTo: * payco@googlegroups.com *Subject: *[PAYCO] Fwd: Fw: PAC Joburg will join the march --- On *Sun, 11/4/12, lehlohonolo Shale lehlohonolosh...@yahoo.com*wrote: From: lehlohonolo
Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: Fw: PAC Joburg will join the march
Nobody challenges members freedom of association as long as its not in conflict with party position. When we joined PAC we were accepting also that our individual views are subordinate to that of PAC. Policy positions remain cardinal in this unnecessary debate. One raised a concern on the basis that the comrade was making a call that PAC members must participate on this campaign and when he further elaborated he indicated that this call was made in the name of PAC and PAYCO. Then if its done in the name of PAC we'll definately object as the call is not founded on party policy position. Comrades are more than welcome to participate and lead NGO's in their individual being and there will be no objection whatsoever. Lack of policy does not give members a license to do as they please and pronounce on issues outside proper constitutional structures. Doing that will be feeding anarchy and urinating on organizational discipline. Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -Original Message- From: SOSO MASHILOANE sosokab...@yahoo.com Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 22:06:03 To: payco@googlegroups.com Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: Fw: PAC Joburg will join the march In regardless of party position we remain activist in different constituent groups as individuals. No one could claim that he or she started being an activist after joining the party. Therefore I appeal to our comrades that, if its a good cause worth fighting for join and make a different in your own community, Don`t wait for party positions as our party lack proper structures or platform to shape its own policy. However members must distanced themselves in representing the party without a mandate or party position. Edwin Soso --- On Tue, 11/6/12, Bongani Keith panmaz...@gmail.com wrote: From: Bongani Keith panmaz...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: Fw: PAC Joburg will join the march To: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 9:10 PM Comrade lack of party/payco policy on energy is creating a vacuum in propagatin' our position. I wil suggest to those cadres who have been invited to ask themselves question what will payco achieve in this regard? As i don't believe that payco should partake in this march we've nothing to gain. On 11/6/12, linda ndebele kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za wrote: There's no policy position I know on this issue in the PAC. When you partake as PAYCO or PAC it should be founded on policy position of the party, when we represent the party in different platforms in reality we advance party policy position not ourselves and our individual views. We need to look at the pros cons of the issue not mere excitement. Mandela made the decision to stop nuclear proliferation in SA out of excitement and to please the outside world, the consequences had devastating effects to the poor and working class in the form of exorbitant electricity prices and billions wasted maintaining nuclear infrastructure that no longer service society. I believe PAC government with its industrial strategy founded on fast-tracking economic emancipation and massive industrialization we cannot afford to dismiss nuclear energy completely. Of course we should also make radical steps to move to environmentally friendly renewable energy but we can't perform miracles, western powers who are major polluters must lead the way, they can't have it both ways, proponents of renewable energy and keep nuclear energy. Africa's pollution is less than 1%, for me these campaigns are misplaced they must target western polluters. Let's look these issues from the correct political context informed by our socioeconomic challenges and standing in world politics. Linda Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -Original Message- From: sello Tladi rmse...@gmail.com Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 14:47:15 To: payco@googlegroups.com Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: Fw: PAC Joburg will join the march Izwe Lethu! Comrade President,Iam expecting you as my political Principal to be more informed around the issues of Green politics Renewable energy a.We are not opposed to industrial development however we are opposed to the use of nuclear energy hence there are environmental friendly alternatives that could be used,Green Renewable Energy and solar are the alternative.We cannot allow the corporates and Western countries continue to use Nuclear energy that is polluting our environment and putting the lives of the working class at risk.The law of money making doesn't care for the laws of nature. Cde President should we keep quite when the Developed Capitalist countries are exporting the ecological crisis to Africa,by dumping toxic waste and establishing the most environmentally destructive industries in Africa. I will continue to PUSH
RE: [PAYCO] Fwd: Court application
Cde Seroke: Did the PAC and ANC discuss the issue of freedom fighters languishing in jails ? I have a relative who happens to be an MK member, I am told he has been in jail from 1988. Does the ANC itself have comrades that are in jails for military operations of armed struggle. Maybe, address the issue of the independence of the judiciary with regards to political matters. I was assuming that the release of these prisoners was precluded by the independence of the judiciary, or the ANC used this as an excuse . From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sbusiso Xaba Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 4:03 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: [PAYCO] Fwd: Court application -- Forwarded message -- From: s ombu sombu...@yahoo.commailto:sombu...@yahoo.com Date: 3 October 2011 09:24 Subject: Court application To: payco@googlegroups.commailto:payco@googlegroups.com payco@googlegroups.commailto:payco@googlegroups.com Cc: Sbusiso Xaba sbusiso.x...@gmail.commailto:sbusiso.x...@gmail.com Izwe Lethu!!! Revolutionary greetings. Be informed that an urgent court application will be made by Apla cadre M'Afrika Kenny Doshane Motsamai on the 4th October 2011 at the Johannesburg High Court at 10h00. The applicant will be seeking relief in terms of his placement on parole. M'Afrika Kenny Doshane Motsamai has been languishing in jail since 1989. It is common cause that the government of the day is not taking the plight of these comrades seriously, hence he is now approaching the courts to intervene and give direction in this matter! In a seperate matter to be heard on the same day at the same court M'Afrika Sipho Cindi and others who are members of the Pan Africanist Congress of Azania, will make an application to seek relief against the Department of Correctional services concerning corruption within the department. You are hereby invited to attend this court hearing in solidarity of the struggle to have all those political prisoners who are still languishing behind bars released from prisons across the country! Please inform and invite all other progressive minded revolutionaries to attend this court hearing, your attendance is highly appreciated and most welcome. Forward with the release of all former political prisoners that are still incarcerated in South African Prisons forward. Long live the undying revolutionary spirit of the fallen martyrs long live!!! -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: A story worth reading
If people they want to work with people of Zimbabwe, They must go. How can you allow people that are coming from USA to operate while they are sabotaging the country. On 3 March 2011 18:06, Mzu Cabanga mcaba...@gmail.com wrote: Some leaders are not talk shops Hi, Have a look at the following story on the Mail Guardian Online: Mugabe threatens takeover of foreign firms Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe on Wednesday threatened to boycott Western products before seizing companies from countries that have imposed sanctions against him and his allies. We can't keep hosting more than 400 British firms including mines... Read the rest of this story at http://www.mg.co.za/article/2011-03-02-mugabe-threatens-takeover-of-foreign-firms - For more stories, visit http://www.mg.co.za -- Thank you Mzulungile Cabanga Alternative Information and Development Centre email mcaba...@gmail.com email m...@aidc.org.za Fax 0866019876 Tel 021 447 5770 cell 073 073 8789 Skype kleinrich1 Knowledge is Too important to be Left in the Hands of the Bosses -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com -- “If you want to go fast, go alone; but if you want to go far, go together.” Lineo Nalane (from Lesotho) in 2007 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: A response to Mr Zuma
Ignorance is a deadly like nuclear weapon. PAC is an organization which I've fallen inlove with as early as 1985 and I won't allow comics like zuma to masturbate like with it. I think we have to launch our well known radical and destructive criticism against these maroons. Maybe these are clarion calls for PAC to unite and to take a leading role on championing the true aspirations of Azanian forces. In fightings are dominating our agendas but I know say: F... The charterists even it means our jobs and life are at stake. We have overpowered apartheid now we have hypocrites in anc's name. Mandela needs to confess his political sins and stop emulating his former colonial master PW Botha. Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -Original Message- From: Mzu Cabanga mcaba...@gmail.com Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 14:14:03 To: payco@googlegroups.com Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: [PAYCO] Fwd: A response to Mr Zuma *ANC President Jacob Zuma's attack on opposition parties exposed his intellectual shallowness and religious disrespect* ANC's nationwide crisis of its members being deadly corrupt within state institutions as per Jacob Zuma is equivalent to Christian good deeds through *Jesus*. To be alleged for raping a HIV positive woman, manipulating the justice system and other state institutions for ANC's gains is the way to heaven and equal to Christian faith. Over the past weekend, this has become a new description of ANC Christian faith and the best intellectual debate that Zuma put forward. Then if this is how he sees ANC today, Zuma a typical product of an organisation of poor ideas and an organisation of apologists. Moreover, his comparison of jackal with hen as the same thing and as the point of his departure in this case is disingenuous of a man and a batter leader seen great than others to lead ANC and the RSA. Known of his loose tongue and irrational public statements and later become quick to apologise. Zuma has become an increasing helpless embarrassment and disastrous to the RSA . Before, it was the Dr Khoza's child pragnance, apology of sleeping with somebody that is HIV positive without using a condom, 500-000 jobs creation instead over one million jobs were shed, . As things stands now, Zuma seem to be equivalent of anything that is immoral South Africa ever had and witnessed. His political tendency to attack PAC is an act of a paid agent to mischievously think that PAC can be that trash articulation. History of Azania wrote itself with blood of many sacrifices from among others, the PAC members and the price the PAC still pay as an organisation is heavier than Zuma's imagined world politics. The truth is simple, PAC is the last liberation movement to govern South Africa and it is then the true freedom to the indigenous dispossessed African masses would be delivered. Remaining a clear slap in the face of the South Africans and despite false self praises by Zuma, South Africa grapples with artificial unemployment as a result of the ANC government polices. Health crisis with private hospital pretending to be offering best service to the few at high cost whilst public hospitals serve the majority through weak infrastructure and poor service. Zuma still finds it relevant to vent jokes of no life impact and demeaning the faith of the people whom he is far to keep his promises to them. Faced with a crisis to educate young people through quality education system and accessible higher education. Zuma find it comfortable to throw misguided utterances. Is this what South Africa deserves? Certainly not, South Africa needs a serious, and a high moral President if it has to go forward and deliver life changing services. Zuma and his ANC unfortunately represent the opposite. Thembeka Majali, PAC of Azania Western Cape -- Thank you Mzulungile Cabanga email mcaba...@gmail.com email m...@aidc.org.za Fax 0866019876 Tel 021 447 5770 cell 073 073 8789 Skype kleinrich1 Knowledge is Too important to be Left in the Hands of the Bosses -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: article and pictures attached for publication: Good News
NB: This email and its contents are subject to the Eskom Holdings Limited EMAIL LEGAL NOTICE which can be viewed at http://www.eskom.co.za/email_legalnotice that is a good job! Thomo Nkgadima thomo.nkgad...@gmail.com 2010/09/27 08:09 PM Photo Caption: : POTTER Tsietsi Makua(36) arm robbery convict with some of the sculptures he has made from paper-mache while serving a 15 years sentnce at Baviaanspoort Maximum Correctional Centre. Warm Regards Thomo Nkgadima 072 829 6913 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com NB: This email and its contents are subject to the Eskom Holdings Limited EMAIL LEGAL NOTICE which can be viewed at http://www.eskom.co.za/email_legalnotice -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
RE: [PAYCO] Fwd: Raymond Nkrumah Kgagudi wrote on your Wall...
M'Afrika Charge-In It is true that PAYCO supported Letlapa's Presidential campaign on the basis that as president, together with the leadership collective would tackle the ruling party and make the party more visible and present in the national political landscape. He agreed that he would adopt a combative approach towards the ruling ANC. We also expected him to play a significant role to undermine factionalism in the party through a revolutionary programme of action which would keep members of the party focused on mass struggles. We further expected him to support all componet structures to effectively fullfil their roles in the party. However this was not to be. We realised that he was not prepared at all to speak against the ANC. He became a perpetrator of factionalism par execellence. He refused and obstructed the NEC from coming up with any strategic document or a programme of action. He undermined component structures. It was against this background that we withdraw our principled support for him and called on him to step down because it was then clear to us that we have been duped to support another side of the coin of the same ANC programme that Godi was pushing. It has became apparent that all presidential candidates including Thami ka Plaatjie where carry the same ANC programme. All of them where competing to deliver the PAC to the ANC. Their conduct to date bears testimony to that. All of them are ANC lackeys. That Letlapa could not be reedemed became clear to us when the resolution of the policy conference held in Cape Town in December 2006 where frustrated and ultimately thrown out of the window. But we remained patient and some of us volunteered to work in the office for more than six months since beginning of 2007 in order to strengthen the party. You will remember comrade Charge-In that before Letlapa invoke the decree it was none other that PAYCO represented by myself who opposed Letlapa's unilateral decision to remove you as secretary for finance on the basis of non-performance. I specifically told the NEC that nobody in the NEC, including Letlapa has been assessed, that there was no peformance model in place to do such assessment and that the President cannot remove elected officials willy-nilly according to his mood on any given day. Another major problem was that he did absolutely nothing to secure the relocation of the Secretary General, Ahmed Cassim, despite the fact that the NEC and the NWC resolved many time on this issue. In December 2007 PAYCO took a decision to withdraw its support for Letlapa because it was clear that he was carrying a counter revolutionary mandate. We made this decision publicly known in January 2008, after conveying the same message to Letlapa in person, during the same month and have been consistent ever since. As PAYCO president at the time, i lead this particular move from the front and in the process made myself enemies amongst slow learners in the party for allegedly dragging our dirty linen in public. However i am happy to say those who vehemently opposed us at the time also joined us later after, especially after the discredited Alice congress. The biggest lesson we learned with the Letlapa experience is that we must never again allow inactive members of the party to lead the PAC again. We repeated the same problem that created Mogoba and Pheko, all of them fetched from the wilderness top come and lead the PAC. We must never repeat that mistake. No leader of the PAC is good enough to lead the PAC unless such leader takes an active role in the party otherwise you end up with elements who have the mandate to carryout enemy progammes infiltrating the leadership of the party. I will express my views in some deatil to Raymond's comments and many similar comments around PAYCO media strategy some other time. All i can say for know is that PAYCO is the only voice you find in media spaces filling the void that ought to be occupied by PAC and in fact reminding people that PAC still exist. This has given many people hope. Izwelethu! From : Hulisani Mmbara Call : 082 593 3012 Fax : 086 690 1176 Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 09:04:37 +0200 Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: Raymond Nkrumah Kgagudi wrote on your Wall... From: chargein...@gmail.com To: payco@googlegroups.com You sound just like many political novices I know in this movement. You sound like the people who brought Letlapa into power out of ignorance, arrogance and in disregard of the advices of so many seasoned revolutionaries (veterans) in this movement. What PAYCO and PASMA know about the defense of revolution after the mess you have done to the Party in defence of Letlapa, not PAC? As former member of PASO and AZANYU NECs, I am proud of our contribution as youth leaders of our time. We put PAC where it rightful belongs, at the centre stage of South African politics. What PAYCO and PASMA did
Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: PAC angry over view they ‘hijacke d Sharpeville protest’
I fully concur with the leader’s comments below. There is nothing erroneous with correcting the history and putting things into perspective, but I’m not sure about going out full force in attacking an individual whose knowledge let alone the intellectual capacity is known. I would be more happy to hear testimonies from the masses about the fruits being enjoyed at this particular juncture in symbolising this Day in question. This would be the fruits whose seeds were irrigated by pure blood of innocent inhabitants whom some of might not have had much to do with political affiliations. Any dominant class in any society dictates how that society and its affairs must be ran and the rest of the minority groups are compelled to follow suit. There is no way that the PAC (as an organisation, not individuals in it) in its current state of affairs can be in a position to take advantage of any situation over any other political party or issue. Individuals from within have tried to contribute towards the betterment of the organisation but self-absorption and greed has resulted in groups trying their level best to lead the party astray. There is an urgent need for objective Pan Africanist subscribers within the PAC to redefine the role that the organisation should play at this day in time moving forward, because clearly the party as a structure has failed to take off despite all its intellects and geniuses, it has failed. Further perpetuation of these failures will eventually result to the talents with potentials of turning things around in this country being wasted. With the current state of affairs, the party is not necessarily playing any meaningful role to the society and most importantly in itself. The recent fights for example in Langa were a clear indication of the soon to be eternal internal problems, what a joke? People went to witness history on the walls and to commemorate the day, not aware that they were going to find themselves in a replay of a massacre as the lead characters (victims). Regards Soso Fax #: 086 697 9605 E-mail sonwabi...@yahoo.com We all die, our plan is not to live forever but to create something that will Kwame Nkrumah --- On Thu, 3/25/10, Thembeka Majali thembeka.maj...@gmail.com wrote: From: Thembeka Majali thembeka.maj...@gmail.com Subject: [PAYCO] Fwd: PAC angry over view they ‘hijacked Sharpeville protest’ To: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 2:20 PM I would like tohear your views on this constructive criticism comrades, -- Forwarded message -- From: Thembeka Majali themb...@aidc.org.za Date: Mar 25, 2010 1:35 PM Subject: Fwd: PAC angry over view they ‘hijacked Sharpeville protest’ To: thembekamaj...@yahoo.com, thembeka.maj...@gmail.com Begin forwarded message: From: Nkwame Cedile nkwame.ced...@gmail.com Date: 25 March 2010 9:39:28 AM To: Thembeka Majali themb...@aidc.org.za Cc: Helga Jansen tamara...@gmail.com, Verna Rainers verna.rain...@gmail.com, Tudo Nacosa nomfu...@wc-nacosa.co.za, vuyis...@mail.tac.org.za, Mandla Majola man...@tac.org.za, Lwazi Nongauza lwaziag...@gmail.com, Mamashoabathe Noko sho...@aidc.org.za, Mzu Cabanga mcaba...@gmail.com, siyabulela kenny ksiyabul...@gmail.com, Sibongile Somdaka somda...@hotmail.com, Wendy Pekeur we...@ssonke.org.za, mzim...@ilrig.org.za Subject: Re: PAC angry over view they ‘hijacked Sharpeville protest’ The point is not Malema dear Cdes! Its the Pan Afrikanist Movement's lack of communication startegy. Why do they become visible when Malema said something? where are they? what have they been doing in the face of embarrassing demise of PAC?. Why is the PAC not capitalising on the monumental blunders made by the ANC elite On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Thembeka Majali themb...@aidc.org.za wrote: Begin forwarded message: From: Mandla Ntlanganiso mandl...@sassa.gov.za Date: 24 March 2010 8:16:58 AM To: Thembeka Majali themb...@aidc.org.za,ntonzi...@cput.ac.za, sndam...@pgwc.gov.za, Simphiwe Nofuma snof...@pgwc.gov.za Subject: PAC angry over view they ‘hijacked Sharpeville protest’ 2010/03/24 THE ANC yester day refused to comment on its youth league president Julius Malema accusing the Pan Africanist Congress of “hijacking” the Sharpeville protest. “We are not commenting on what the ANC Youth League president said on this particular matter,” said spokesperson Jackson Mthembu. This followed after Malema on Monday reportedly said the Sharpeville uprising of 1960 – that later became a massacre when police opened fire and killed 69 people protesting about the pass laws – was organised by the ANC but hijacked by the PAC. His comments outraged the PAC Youth Congress who described Malema as a “Mickey-mouse pop star” who “knows nothing” about the liberation struggle. “We will never allow this political buffoon to rape the proud rich liberation struggle credentials of the PAC A high school drop-out like
RE: [PAYCO] Fwd: PAC angry over view they 'hijacked Sharpeville protest'
COSAS IS TURNING AGAINST MALEMA Mduduzi Sibeko 011 724 9298 071-101-2595 msib...@randwater.co.za From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Thembeka Majali Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 2:20 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: [PAYCO] Fwd: PAC angry over view they 'hijacked Sharpeville protest' I would like tohear your views on this constructive criticism comrades, -- Forwarded message -- From: Thembeka Majali themb...@aidc.org.za Date: Mar 25, 2010 1:35 PM Subject: Fwd: PAC angry over view they 'hijacked Sharpeville protest' To: thembekamaj...@yahoo.com, thembeka.maj...@gmail.com Begin forwarded message: From: Nkwame Cedile nkwame.ced...@gmail.com Date: 25 March 2010 9:39:28 AM To: Thembeka Majali themb...@aidc.org.za Cc: Helga Jansen tamara...@gmail.com, Verna Rainers verna.rain...@gmail.com, Tudo Nacosa nomfu...@wc-nacosa.co.za, vuyis...@mail.tac.org.za, Mandla Majola man...@tac.org.za, Lwazi Nongauza lwaziag...@gmail.com, Mamashoabathe Noko sho...@aidc.org.za, Mzu Cabanga mcaba...@gmail.com, siyabulela kenny ksiyabul...@gmail.com, Sibongile Somdaka somda...@hotmail.com, Wendy Pekeur we...@ssonke.org.za, mzim...@ilrig.org.za Subject: Re: PAC angry over view they 'hijacked Sharpeville protest' The point is not Malema dear Cdes! Its the Pan Afrikanist Movement's lack of communication startegy. Why do they become visible when Malema said something? where are they? what have they been doing in the face of embarrassing demise of PAC?. Why is the PAC not capitalising on the monumental blunders made by the ANC elite On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Thembeka Majali themb...@aidc.org.za wrote: Begin forwarded message: From: Mandla Ntlanganiso mandl...@sassa.gov.za Date: 24 March 2010 8:16:58 AM To: Thembeka Majali themb...@aidc.org.za,ntonzi...@cput.ac.za, sndam...@pgwc.gov.za, Simphiwe Nofuma snof...@pgwc.gov.za Subject: PAC angry over view they 'hijacked Sharpeville protest' 2010/03/24 THE ANC yester day refused to comment on its youth league president Julius Malema accusing the Pan Africanist Congress of hijacking the Sharpeville protest. We are not commenting on what the ANC Youth League president said on this particular matter, said spokesperson Jackson Mthembu. This followed after Malema on Monday reportedly said the Sharpeville uprising of 1960 - that later became a massacre when police opened fire and killed 69 people protesting about the pass laws - was organised by the ANC but hijacked by the PAC. His comments outraged the PAC Youth Congress who described Malema as a Mickey-mouse pop star who knows nothing about the liberation struggle. We will never allow this political buffoon to rape the proud rich liberation struggle credentials of the PAC A high school drop-out like Malema who cannot even pass woodwork. It is only in the ANC where fools like him are allowed to occupy leadership positions, Payco said in a statement. Payco slammed the comments as foolish lies and want a public apology from Malema The fact of history is that PAC organised and led the Positive Action Campaign and the ANC rejected an invitation from PAC founding President Mangaliso Sobukwe. Through its then secretary general, Duma Nokwe, the ANC refused to participate in the march saying '... it has no prospects of success'. ANC Youth League spokesperson Magdalene Moonsamy, however, said: What he (Malema) was speaking about was the mobilisation prior to Sharpeville which was managed by the ANC. - Sapa -- Our lives begin and end the day we become silent about things that matter Martin Luther King OneLove Nkwame Mau Mau Cedile Cell: 078 227 6008 Skype: nkwame1 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to payco+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject. The information contained in this message and or attachments is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any system and destroy any copies. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to payco+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words
Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: FW: MALEMA MUST STOP TELLING LIES ABOUT PAC!
Son of the Soil, We really appreciate and acknowledge the concerns you have raised about our response to Julius Malema's foolish outburst about our revolutionary party and its achievements thereof. Your concerns are constructive and necessary to build the party going forward. PAYCO wish to indicate though that it stands by the statement it made through our Spokesperson Sello Tladi. The statement had the following objectives and has to be judged based on these objectives: 1. To refute lies misinformation made by Julius Malema at Sharpeville about PAC 2. To put the correct historical perspective of Sharpeville/Langa massacre 3. To ridicule Malema or any organisation that challenges PAC role in the planning, organising and leading the Sharpeville/Langa status campaigns respectively 4. To remind Malema or anyone who intend emulating him that PAC is not a punching bag 5. To capitalise on media hype and put our message across In my limited knowledge of media operations, I know as a matter of fact that media would only publish you or give you space when you raise some element of controversy in your input, hence they often talk about public interests. We often take this fact into consideration in all our media statements. It should be noted as well comrades, that the role of Spokespersons in political organisation is to serve as spin-doctors and to attract as much media attention to the organisation they represent as possible, hence the activities and responses of Sello Tladi are acceptable to us. We don't want our Spokesperson to be tame, we expect him to be a street fighter and cause trouble out there. It is the role of offices like that of the Presidency and Secretary General to handle issues in a rational and (to a lesser extend) diplomatic manner. PAYCO shall defend the legacy and history of the PAC and that of the African people by any means possible. Yours for a classless society Kwame Ndebele PAYCO President Comrades, I happened to have watched and listened to Malema’s utterances about the ANC leading the 1960 anti-pass campaign. It is clear that many other Pan Africanists (either members of the PAC, sympathizers of the PAC or any other African person who subscribes to the liberating and scientific ideology of Pan Africanism) watched and listened to him with trepidation. The critical question is “how then do we respond, and not react, to Malema’s statement?” I have had time to read Sello’s Media Statement critically. The 4thparagraph does a sterling revolutionary job in setting the record straight and even goes to the laudable extent of quoting the ANC verbatim with regard to their perspective of the intended action by the Pan Africanist Congress of Azania then. The 1st, 2nd and 4th paragraphs are exercises in spewing anger and literally assassinating Malema’s character. Is this how Revolutionaries in general and Pan Africanists in particular, based on the understanding of their “LINE”, would handle issues in general and respond to provocation in particular? I am not going to interrupt and adulterate his mini-discourse with my personal response to the question I am cognizant of Comrade Mawande’s correction of the use of terms with regard to “counter-reactionary and counter-revolutionary”. I thank him for that as he is being revolutionary in his approach. We need to assist one another. In the manner that Sello has responded to the provocation by Malema, has he actually reacted to what and who Malema is or did he respond to what Malema’s was saying. This begs for another crucial question “Has the Azanian/Africanist revolution been about individuals or has it been about the ideology and the ultimate liberation of Africa from the shackles of colonization and imperialism?” Let us trace the origins of any revolutionary ideology from a Marxist-Leninist perspective. Simply put, it begins with the *concrete analysis* of the *concrete situation* in which the colonized, oppressed, exploited and dehumanized find themselves. After this scientific process has been completed, the outcome or result is handed back to the masses for ownership. As Chairman Mao puts it, it will be *“from the masses to the masses”*. Is there anything that the colonized, exploited, oppressed and dehumanized masses are gaining in the three (3) paragraphs as contained in the Media Statement? Revolutionarily, all that the response is igniting is a mudslinging match between himself (Sello) and Malema. Is this what the revolution wants? Is this what it needs? Will it keep the revolution on track? Let some of the above questions work on us! Izwe Lethu - iAfrika *Tsietsi Molebatsi* *Consultant/Consciousness Proponent* *From:* Mawande Jack [mailto:ja...@avusa.co.za] *Sent:* Tuesday, March 23, 2010 11:27 AM *To:* payco@googlegroups.com; Tsietsi; ayandabil...@webmail.co.za *Subject:* FW: MALEMA MUST STOP TELLING LIES ABOUT PAC!
RE: [PAYCO] Fwd: the history of PAYCO
M-Afrika Something I find missing is that Azanyu was during the mid-eighties period, roughly between 1986 to 1990, dominant in three regions, Witwatersrand and Vaal Triangle, Western Cape and Border area of Mdantsane in the Eastern Cape. The period was when Molefi Serame was national president, Carter Seleka general secretary, Ntsie Mohloai deputy president Mawande Jack national organisor and before Mawande, Joe Pantshwa from the Western Cape, Mpuka as publicity secretary. Others in that executive were Lee Modiga, Nhlanhla Lebea,General Nqandela, Mayaya, Vuyani Mbinda and Eddie Bosman. Ntsie Mohloai only became the president in 1991 following a split in Azanyu in 1990 caused by differences about the Party's taking part in negotiations. There is another important dimension. In 1986 PAC president Zephania Mothopeng dispatched party stalwarts like Vusi Nkumane, Mehlo Mbali, Kwedi Mkalipi and Timothy Janties to meet with Azanyu leadership for the establishment of the Pan Africanist National Front (PANAFRO)to counter the political confusion caused by the UDF (Charterists) and launch a massive campaign to popularise the PAC, help launch underground party structures and prepare for what Mothopeng called our last lap, in a form of a massive popular campaign against the settler regime. Also Paso came into being following Azanyu's resolution at Ipelegeng Centre in 2007 to launch a national student wing. Mawande -Original Message- From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lucky Khoza Sent: 23 March 2010 11:28 AM To: Payco Subject: [PAYCO] Fwd: the history of PAYCO -- Forwarded message -- From: Dzumbu Mmbara dzu...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 08:33:53 +0200 Subject: the history of PAYCO To: Kwame Ndebele kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za Cc: Lucky Khoza magigw...@gmail.com Son of the Soil I met with Lucky on Saturday for the review of the website and i believe we are both confident that its ready to go. But we thought it wise that we send the history of PAYCO out for review before we go live. So attached here is the history of PAYCO as we have managed to gather during the process of building the website. Can you please fill in the missing parts that you may be aware of and also feel free to make any correction as some of these incident were gather from unverifiable sources. The aim is not to rewrite the whole day to day history of PAYCO but we must at least be able to provide an accurate snapshot. At least by Friday lets complete this process. Izwe Lethu!! Dzumbu -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to payco+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to payco+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject.
RE: [PAYCO] [Fwd: ]
Mafrika Lenyehelo the comrades will be registered this side. Izwelethu! From : Hulisani Mmbara Call : 082 593 3012 Fax : 086 690 1176 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 12:10:53 +0200 Subject: [PAYCO] [Fwd: ] From: lenyeh...@webmail.co.za To: payco@googlegroups.com Original Message Subject: From: lenyeh...@webmail.co.za Date: Fri, March 19, 2010 12:07 To: pa...@googlegroup.co.za -- Revolutionary greetings. PASMA members and SRC deployees (Central University of Technology, Free State, Welkom Campus) are submitting they are soul-selfs to the organisation (PAYCO). Azanians we tried to subscribe to payco googlegroup, but due to some technicalities we failed to subscribe. The following PASMA and PAYCO members can be assisted: PASMA BEC members: TS Maphekola, chairperson - 207058...@stud.cut.ac.za - 078 566 1392 T Bochedi, Secretary - 071192 0083 Daliwe, Deputy - finance - 078 642 2179 PL Ramoejane - Finance Officer - kgsoul...@yahoo.com - 073 842 8876 Bobe - PRO - 073 732 7034 Thato - Political commissor - tp...@webmail.co.za SRC PASMA Deployees: Tankiso Molutsi - Sabbatical - mmolu...@cut.ac.za Modiehi Moiloa - Health and Welfare - irenemoi...@webmail.co.za MA Modikeng - Sports Officer - mamodik...@wemail.co.za Moleboheng Makutsoana - PRO - molebohengmakutso...@stud.cut.ac.za Solly Frans - Deputy Pres - eliotfr...@yahoo.com Katlego Malau – Institutional Pres (Bloemfontein campus) – 0739780735 Hlabahlaba – Sabbatical (Bloemfontein campus) - 0735663710 PAYCO members: Habola Stona - haboladavidst...@yahoo.com - 072 519 2444 Che Mabote - mabot...@gmail.com - 071 051 4437 Lenyehelo Lenyehelo. 078 451 3915 Lloyd Tsimatsima - tsimats...@mweb.co.za - 073 954 0639. We also have membership database of PASMA and PAYCO with the campus, actually the whole campus is the affiliates of PASMA and PAYCO. Mo-Azania Nkosinathi (PAYCO Secretary) we appreciate your response we yesterday. Izwe-Lethu! Mo-Azania Lenyehelo Lenyehelo -- South Africa's premier free email service - www.webmail.co.za -- For super low premiums, click here http://home.webmail.co.za/dd.pwm -- South Africa's premier free email service - www.webmail.co.za -- For super low premiums, click here http://home.webmail.co.za/dd.pwm -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to payco+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject. _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to payco+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject.
