Re: Penfriend Audio Labeler

2014-11-29 Thread Vicky Vaughan
I use my Pen Friend for marking my CDS. No braille is shallow enough to play 
in any computer or CD player that I have found.


I still use my braille lable maker to mark the sleave that holds the CD.

Vicky
-Original Message- 
From: Robert Godridge

Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 9:43 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Penfriend Audio Labeler

I am a record collector and had one of these bought for me, thinking
it would be an absolute life saver as I have about 10 thousand records
to label.
Not so much, because I always forget to have it on me and you have to
have it to hand to read stuff. Plus I hate the sound of my own voice.
so I've gone back to just brailling on the covers with a brailler lol

On 11/28/14, Mike Thomas wheelt...@centurylink.net wrote:

I too have one and rarely use it.  My reason is I have the tiniest bit of
vision and if I use huge print I can see  the item's title.  If one had no
other choice, the unit is okay, but if you have an iPhone, you have 
several


options which work very well.

Mike
- Original Message -
From: Andrea Sherry sherr...@wideband.net.au
To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: Penfriend Audio Labeler



I have had one for a number of years and never use it. Find the process
cumbersome.
Andrea
On 28-Nov-14 3:52 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Hi!

I could use one of these, has anyone used one before and - if so - how
did they find it.
http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1
http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1

**

Dane Trethowan
grtd...@internode.on.net
Skype: grtdane12
Phone US (213) 438-9741
Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
Mobile: +61400494862
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Re: Penfriend Audio Labeler

2014-11-29 Thread Dane Trethowan
Sounds that the people who have these devices are extremely happy with their 
lot and that says a huge amount about a product so I’ve put it on my Shopping 
list.

 On 30 Nov 2014, at 4:11 am, Vicky Vaughan vrvaugha...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I use my Pen Friend for marking my CDS. No braille is shallow enough to play 
 in any computer or CD player that I have found.
 
 I still use my braille lable maker to mark the sleave that holds the CD.
 
 Vicky
 -Original Message- From: Robert Godridge
 Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 9:43 AM
 To: PC Audio Discussion List
 Subject: Re: Penfriend Audio Labeler
 
 I am a record collector and had one of these bought for me, thinking
 it would be an absolute life saver as I have about 10 thousand records
 to label.
 Not so much, because I always forget to have it on me and you have to
 have it to hand to read stuff. Plus I hate the sound of my own voice.
 so I've gone back to just brailling on the covers with a brailler lol
 
 On 11/28/14, Mike Thomas wheelt...@centurylink.net wrote:
 I too have one and rarely use it.  My reason is I have the tiniest bit of
 vision and if I use huge print I can see  the item's title.  If one had no
 other choice, the unit is okay, but if you have an iPhone, you have several
 
 options which work very well.
 
 Mike
 - Original Message -
 From: Andrea Sherry sherr...@wideband.net.au
 To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
 Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 12:08 AM
 Subject: Re: Penfriend Audio Labeler
 
 
 I have had one for a number of years and never use it. Find the process
 cumbersome.
 Andrea
 On 28-Nov-14 3:52 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
 Hi!
 
 I could use one of these, has anyone used one before and - if so - how
 did they find it.
 http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1
 http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1
 
 **
 
 Dane Trethowan
 grtd...@internode.on.net
 Skype: grtdane12
 Phone US (213) 438-9741
 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
 Mobile: +61400494862
 faceTime +61400494862
 Fax +61397437954
 Twitter: @grtdane
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

**

Dane Trethowan
grtd...@internode.on.net
Skype: grtdane12
Phone US (213) 438-9741
Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
Mobile: +61400494862
faceTime +61400494862
Fax +61397437954
Twitter: @grtdane







Re: Penfriend Audio Labeler

2014-11-29 Thread Donald L. Roberts
From: Vicky Vaughan To: PC Audio:

I use my Pen Friend for marking my CDS. No braille is shallow enough to play
in any computer or CD player that I have found.

Vicki, Are you familiar with the CD stomper?  It is a device which comes 
with square CD labels which are perforated in such a way that you can put 
them in a Perkins or a slate to write the braille and then remove the 
corners via the perforations leaving a circular label which is exactly the 
size of a CD.  You then place the CD on a circular platform after first 
placing the adhesive side of the label face up.  You then just press the top 
side of the CD against the adhesive, and you have a thin but very legible 
braille label on your CD.  I used this thing for years and have never had 
the adhesive cause an issue.  I do agree with your note that adhesives at 
least some of them will cause problems.
If you want more info about the CD stomper, just let me know.

Don Roberts





RE: Penfriend Audio Labeler

2014-11-29 Thread frank cuta
I use my pen friend primarily to lable storage boxes, to summerize the
controls on in accessible devices, to keep track of when batteries have been
replaced on equipment and, of course, to label CDs.  

I think that  the most  unique application I have is to get autographs at
live concerts.  While other people in line get written autographs on the
recordings that they buy I have the artist create a lable for me in their
own voice.

But I do have a question.  When backing up do you just copy the last file or
do you need to copy all 4 of  them?

Thanks
Frank
  

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Curtis
Delzer
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 8:46 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Penfriend Audio Labeler


we have one and  it works fine! make sure to back up just in case things
get scrambled, since if you make a lot of labels you'll not want to lose
them.
-- 
Curtis Delzer curtis1...@verizon.net

On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 15:52:15 +1100
Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote:

 Hi!
 
 I could use one of these, has anyone used one before and - if so - how did
they find it.
 http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1
http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1
 
 **
 
 Dane Trethowan
 grtd...@internode.on.net
 Skype: grtdane12
 Phone US (213) 438-9741
 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
 Mobile: +61400494862
 faceTime +61400494862
 Fax +61397437954
 Twitter: @grtdane
 
 
 
 




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Re: Penfriend Audio Labeler

2014-11-29 Thread covici
I would copy all the directories since it has nodate/time stamp -- all
the files seem to be dated in 1979.  So copy everything recursively.

frank cuta c...@bentonrea.com wrote:

 I use my pen friend primarily to lable storage boxes, to summerize the
 controls on in accessible devices, to keep track of when batteries have been
 replaced on equipment and, of course, to label CDs.  
 
 I think that  the most  unique application I have is to get autographs at
 live concerts.  While other people in line get written autographs on the
 recordings that they buy I have the artist create a lable for me in their
 own voice.
 
 But I do have a question.  When backing up do you just copy the last file or
 do you need to copy all 4 of  them?
 
 Thanks
 Frank
   
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Curtis
 Delzer
 Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 8:46 AM
 To: PC Audio Discussion List
 Subject: Re: Penfriend Audio Labeler
 
 
 we have one andit works fine! make sure to back up just in case things
 get scrambled, since if you make a lot of labels you'll not want to lose
 them.
 -- 
 Curtis Delzer curtis1...@verizon.net
 
 On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 15:52:15 +1100
 Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote:
 
  Hi!
  
  I could use one of these, has anyone used one before and - if so - how did
 they find it.
  http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1
 http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1
  
  **
  
  Dane Trethowan
  grtd...@internode.on.net
  Skype: grtdane12
  Phone US (213) 438-9741
  Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
  Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
  Mobile: +61400494862
  faceTime +61400494862
  Fax +61397437954
  Twitter: @grtdane
  
  
  
  
 
 
 
 
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RE: Penfriend Audio Labeler

2014-11-29 Thread Tom Kaufman
Hello Frank and list:  Now you've brought up something I wouldn't have
thought about (using the Pen friend in an autograph line; how clever!
Thanks for sharing!
Tom Kaufman

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of frank
cuta
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 10:22 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Penfriend Audio Labeler

I use my pen friend primarily to lable storage boxes, to summerize the
controls on in accessible devices, to keep track of when batteries have been
replaced on equipment and, of course, to label CDs.  

I think that  the most  unique application I have is to get autographs at
live concerts.  While other people in line get written autographs on the
recordings that they buy I have the artist create a lable for me in their
own voice.

But I do have a question.  When backing up do you just copy the last file or
do you need to copy all 4 of  them?

Thanks
Frank
  

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Curtis
Delzer
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 8:46 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Penfriend Audio Labeler


we have one and  it works fine! make sure to back up just in case things
get scrambled, since if you make a lot of labels you'll not want to lose
them.
-- 
Curtis Delzer curtis1...@verizon.net

On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 15:52:15 +1100
Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote:

 Hi!
 
 I could use one of these, has anyone used one before and - if so - how did
they find it.
 http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1
http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1
 
 **
 
 Dane Trethowan
 grtd...@internode.on.net
 Skype: grtdane12
 Phone US (213) 438-9741
 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
 Mobile: +61400494862
 faceTime +61400494862
 Fax +61397437954
 Twitter: @grtdane
 
 
 
 




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Re: Penfriend Audio Labeler

2014-11-28 Thread covici
I use it all the time, you have to watch that when you order labels a
second time, you order a differentletter otherwise you will get the same
numbers, otherwise its fine.

Tina Wilson tinatee...@cox.net wrote:

 Actually, I like mine. I don't use it constantly, but at least, I know it's
 there when I really need it to lable something. To me, it's a lot better
 than the old fashioned dymo tape. 
 
 Tina  
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
 Trethowan
 Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 8:52 PM
 To: PC Audio Discussion List
 Subject: Penfriend Audio Labeler
 
 Hi!
 
 I could use one of these, has anyone used one before and - if so - how did
 they find it.
 http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1
 http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1
 
 **
 
 Dane Trethowan
 grtd...@internode.on.net
 Skype: grtdane12
 Phone US (213) 438-9741
 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
 Mobile: +61400494862
 faceTime +61400494862
 Fax +61397437954
 Twitter: @grtdane
 
 
 
 
 
 

-- 
Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
How do
you spend it?

 John Covici
 cov...@ccs.covici.com



Re: Penfriend Audio Labeler

2014-11-28 Thread covici
Digit-eyes works great, but it takes too long, pen friend or another
similar item takes a couple of seconds.

Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote:

 Follow the link and check the price for yourself.
 
 If you have an iPhone or similar then you might want to check out Digit-Eyes 
 which is around a quarter of the price.
 
 
  On 28 Nov 2014, at 5:02 pm, John Chilelli j...@neo.rr.com wrote:
  
  Andrea,
  
  Wanna sell yours?
  
  If the price is right, I may be interested.
  
  Blessings,
  
  John
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andrea
  Sherry
  Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 12:08 AM
  To: PC Audio Discussion List
  Subject: Re: Penfriend Audio Labeler
  
  I have had one for a number of years and never use it. Find the process
  cumbersome.
  Andrea
  On 28-Nov-14 3:52 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
  Hi!
  
  I could use one of these, has anyone used one before and - if so - how did
  they find it.
  http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1 
  http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1
  
  **
  
  Dane Trethowan
  grtd...@internode.on.net
  Skype: grtdane12
  Phone US (213) 438-9741
  Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
  Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
  Mobile: +61400494862
  faceTime +61400494862
  Fax +61397437954
  Twitter: @grtdane
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
 
 **
 
 Dane Trethowan
 grtd...@internode.on.net
 Skype: grtdane12
 Phone US (213) 438-9741
 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
 Mobile: +61400494862
 faceTime +61400494862
 Fax +61397437954
 Twitter: @grtdane
 
 
 
 
 

-- 
Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
How do
you spend it?

 John Covici
 cov...@ccs.covici.com



RE: Penfriend Audio Labeler

2014-11-28 Thread rex wisdom
I have a brand new one for about a year.  I have never taken out of the box.
I would be willing to sell the one I have if someone wants it.  Contact me
off list if interested at 

rexwis...@verizon.net



-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of
cov...@ccs.covici.com
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 3:25 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Penfriend Audio Labeler

Digit-eyes works great, but it takes too long, pen friend or another similar
item takes a couple of seconds.

Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote:

 Follow the link and check the price for yourself.
 
 If you have an iPhone or similar then you might want to check out
Digit-Eyes which is around a quarter of the price.
 
 
  On 28 Nov 2014, at 5:02 pm, John Chilelli j...@neo.rr.com wrote:
  
  Andrea,
  
  Wanna sell yours?
  
  If the price is right, I may be interested.
  
  Blessings,
  
  John
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
  Andrea Sherry
  Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 12:08 AM
  To: PC Audio Discussion List
  Subject: Re: Penfriend Audio Labeler
  
  I have had one for a number of years and never use it. Find the 
  process cumbersome.
  Andrea
  On 28-Nov-14 3:52 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
  Hi!
  
  I could use one of these, has anyone used one before and - if so - 
  how did
  they find it.
  http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1
  http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1
  
  **
  
  Dane Trethowan
  grtd...@internode.on.net
  Skype: grtdane12
  Phone US (213) 438-9741
  Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
  Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
  Mobile: +61400494862
  faceTime +61400494862
  Fax +61397437954
  Twitter: @grtdane
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
 
 **
 
 Dane Trethowan
 grtd...@internode.on.net
 Skype: grtdane12
 Phone US (213) 438-9741
 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
 Mobile: +61400494862
 faceTime +61400494862
 Fax +61397437954
 Twitter: @grtdane
 
 
 
 
 

--
Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
How do
you spend it?

 John Covici
 cov...@ccs.covici.com




Re: Penfriend Audio Labeler

2014-11-28 Thread Mike Thomas
I too have one and rarely use it.  My reason is I have the tiniest bit of 
vision and if I use huge print I can see  the item's title.  If one had no 
other choice, the unit is okay, but if you have an iPhone, you have several 
options which work very well.


Mike
- Original Message - 
From: Andrea Sherry sherr...@wideband.net.au

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: Penfriend Audio Labeler


I have had one for a number of years and never use it. Find the process 
cumbersome.

Andrea
On 28-Nov-14 3:52 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Hi!

I could use one of these, has anyone used one before and - if so - how 
did they find it.
http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1 
http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1


**

Dane Trethowan
grtd...@internode.on.net
Skype: grtdane12
Phone US (213) 438-9741
Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
Mobile: +61400494862
faceTime +61400494862
Fax +61397437954
Twitter: @grtdane















Re: Penfriend Audio Labeler

2014-11-28 Thread Robert Godridge
I am a record collector and had one of these bought for me, thinking
it would be an absolute life saver as I have about 10 thousand records
to label.
Not so much, because I always forget to have it on me and you have to
have it to hand to read stuff. Plus I hate the sound of my own voice.
so I've gone back to just brailling on the covers with a brailler lol

On 11/28/14, Mike Thomas wheelt...@centurylink.net wrote:
 I too have one and rarely use it.  My reason is I have the tiniest bit of
 vision and if I use huge print I can see  the item's title.  If one had no
 other choice, the unit is okay, but if you have an iPhone, you have several

 options which work very well.

 Mike
 - Original Message -
 From: Andrea Sherry sherr...@wideband.net.au
 To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
 Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 12:08 AM
 Subject: Re: Penfriend Audio Labeler


I have had one for a number of years and never use it. Find the process
cumbersome.
 Andrea
 On 28-Nov-14 3:52 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
 Hi!

 I could use one of these, has anyone used one before and - if so - how
 did they find it.
 http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1
 http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1

 **

 Dane Trethowan
 grtd...@internode.on.net
 Skype: grtdane12
 Phone US (213) 438-9741
 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
 Mobile: +61400494862
 faceTime +61400494862
 Fax +61397437954
 Twitter: @grtdane















Re: Penfriend Audio Labeler

2014-11-28 Thread Dane Trethowan
What model of iPhone are you using Digit-Eyes on? I’m curious as to whether it 
may be quicker on the iPhone 6 and IOS 8, I have to admit that Digit-Eyes is 
not one of those Apps I use each and every day though it does come into its own 
when I do need to use it.

I can’t comment on the labeled as I don’t have one though I’m now in two minds 
as to whether it might be worth getting one or not and I appreciate the input 
from others on this topic, the talking Barcode Reader has also been referred to 
and its also available.


 On 28 Nov 2014, at 8:25 pm, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote:
 
 Digit-eyes works great, but it takes too long, pen friend or another
 similar item takes a couple of seconds.
 
 Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote:
 
 Follow the link and check the price for yourself.
 
 If you have an iPhone or similar then you might want to check out Digit-Eyes 
 which is around a quarter of the price.
 
 
 On 28 Nov 2014, at 5:02 pm, John Chilelli j...@neo.rr.com wrote:
 
 Andrea,
 
 Wanna sell yours?
 
 If the price is right, I may be interested.
 
 Blessings,
 
 John
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andrea
 Sherry
 Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 12:08 AM
 To: PC Audio Discussion List
 Subject: Re: Penfriend Audio Labeler
 
 I have had one for a number of years and never use it. Find the process
 cumbersome.
 Andrea
 On 28-Nov-14 3:52 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
 Hi!
 
 I could use one of these, has anyone used one before and - if so - how did
 they find it.
 http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1 
 http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1
 
 **
 
 Dane Trethowan
 grtd...@internode.on.net
 Skype: grtdane12
 Phone US (213) 438-9741
 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
 Mobile: +61400494862
 faceTime +61400494862
 Fax +61397437954
 Twitter: @grtdane
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 **
 
 Dane Trethowan
 grtd...@internode.on.net
 Skype: grtdane12
 Phone US (213) 438-9741
 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
 Mobile: +61400494862
 faceTime +61400494862
 Fax +61397437954
 Twitter: @grtdane
 
 
 
 
 
 
 -- 
 Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
 How do
 you spend it?
 
 John Covici
 cov...@ccs.covici.com
 

**

Dane Trethowan
grtd...@internode.on.net
Skype: grtdane12
Phone US (213) 438-9741
Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
Mobile: +61400494862
faceTime +61400494862
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RE: Penfriend Audio Labeler

2014-11-28 Thread Tom Kaufman
And they usually will help you with that if you set up an account; they
remember what you ordered before and will make sure you get the right
labels!
Tom Kaufman

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of
cov...@ccs.covici.com
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 3:56 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Penfriend Audio Labeler

I use it all the time, you have to watch that when you order labels a
second time, you order a differentletter otherwise you will get the same
numbers, otherwise its fine.

Tina Wilson tinatee...@cox.net wrote:

 Actually, I like mine. I don't use it constantly, but at least, I know
it's
 there when I really need it to lable something. To me, it's a lot better
 than the old fashioned dymo tape. 
 
 Tina  
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
 Trethowan
 Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 8:52 PM
 To: PC Audio Discussion List
 Subject: Penfriend Audio Labeler
 
 Hi!
 
 I could use one of these, has anyone used one before and - if so - how did
 they find it.
 http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1
 http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1
 
 **
 
 Dane Trethowan
 grtd...@internode.on.net
 Skype: grtdane12
 Phone US (213) 438-9741
 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
 Mobile: +61400494862
 faceTime +61400494862
 Fax +61397437954
 Twitter: @grtdane
 
 
 
 
 
 

-- 
Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
How do
you spend it?

 John Covici
 cov...@ccs.covici.com




RE: Penfriend Audio Labeler

2014-11-28 Thread Gary Ray
Gary Ray here.

I have had a Pen Friend for a number of years.

I use mine regularly.  Sometimes it does feel a bit cumbersome, but it is
like anything else...if you want to use it, you will use it.

I use mine mostly for marking SD card holders, program CDs, and other
smaller things.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andrea
Sherry
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 12:08 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Penfriend Audio Labeler

I have had one for a number of years and never use it. Find the process
cumbersome.
Andrea
On 28-Nov-14 3:52 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
 Hi!

 I could use one of these, has anyone used one before and - if so - how did
they find it.
 http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1 
 http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1

 **

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Re: Penfriend Audio Labeler

2014-11-28 Thread covici
I have a 6+, but I used digit-eyes on a 5 and by the time you positioned
the camera properly, etc. it could take some time and sometimes I could
not get it to see the label, and the specialized devices work
immediately, so this is why I use them instead.

Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote:

 What model of iPhone are you using Digit-Eyes on? I’m curious as to whether 
 it may be quicker on the iPhone 6 and IOS 8, I have to admit that Digit-Eyes 
 is not one of those Apps I use each and every day though it does come into 
 its own when I do need to use it.
 
 I can’t comment on the labeled as I don’t have one though I’m now in two 
 minds as to whether it might be worth getting one or not and I appreciate the 
 input from others on this topic, the talking Barcode Reader has also been 
 referred to and its also available.
 
 
  On 28 Nov 2014, at 8:25 pm, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote:
  
  Digit-eyes works great, but it takes too long, pen friend or another
  similar item takes a couple of seconds.
  
  Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote:
  
  Follow the link and check the price for yourself.
  
  If you have an iPhone or similar then you might want to check out 
  Digit-Eyes which is around a quarter of the price.
  
  
  On 28 Nov 2014, at 5:02 pm, John Chilelli j...@neo.rr.com wrote:
  
  Andrea,
  
  Wanna sell yours?
  
  If the price is right, I may be interested.
  
  Blessings,
  
  John
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andrea
  Sherry
  Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 12:08 AM
  To: PC Audio Discussion List
  Subject: Re: Penfriend Audio Labeler
  
  I have had one for a number of years and never use it. Find the process
  cumbersome.
  Andrea
  On 28-Nov-14 3:52 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
  Hi!
  
  I could use one of these, has anyone used one before and - if so - how 
  did
  they find it.
  http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1 
  http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1
  
  **
  
  Dane Trethowan
  grtd...@internode.on.net
  Skype: grtdane12
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  Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
  Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
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  Fax +61397437954
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  **
  
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  -- 
  Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
  How do
  you spend it?
  
  John Covici
  cov...@ccs.covici.com
  
 
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How do
you spend it?

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Re: Penfriend Audio Labeler

2014-11-28 Thread Curtis Delzer
we have one and  it works fine! make sure to back up just in case things
get scrambled, since if you make a lot of labels you'll not want to lose
them.
-- 
Curtis Delzer curtis1...@verizon.net

On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 15:52:15 +1100
Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote:

 Hi!
 
 I could use one of these, has anyone used one before and - if so - how did 
 they find it.
 http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1 
 http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1
 
 **
 
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 grtd...@internode.on.net
 Skype: grtdane12
 Phone US (213) 438-9741
 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
 Mobile: +61400494862
 faceTime +61400494862
 Fax +61397437954
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Re: Penfriend Audio Labeler

2014-11-28 Thread Dane Trethowan
Thanks, some people unfortunately just have built-in prejudices/bias or just 
like holding a grudge smile

I’ve never seen this item before so am greatly impressed by the amount of input 
given by other users of the labelling device, they’re cheap enough and its 
always handy to have a backup “stand-Alone” device.

Others have pointed out that performance of the labeled may be better than what 
I already have? If so then that speaks volumes.


 On 29 Nov 2014, at 2:04 am, Gary Ray rayacc...@charter.net wrote:
 
 Gary Ray here.
 
 I have had a Pen Friend for a number of years.
 
 I use mine regularly.  Sometimes it does feel a bit cumbersome, but it is
 like anything else...if you want to use it, you will use it.
 
 I use mine mostly for marking SD card holders, program CDs, and other
 smaller things.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andrea
 Sherry
 Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 12:08 AM
 To: PC Audio Discussion List
 Subject: Re: Penfriend Audio Labeler
 
 I have had one for a number of years and never use it. Find the process
 cumbersome.
 Andrea
 On 28-Nov-14 3:52 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
 Hi!
 
 I could use one of these, has anyone used one before and - if so - how did
 they find it.
 http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1 
 http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1
 
 **
 
 Dane Trethowan
 grtd...@internode.on.net
 Skype: grtdane12
 Phone US (213) 438-9741
 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
 Mobile: +61400494862
 faceTime +61400494862
 Fax +61397437954
 Twitter: @grtdane
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

**

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Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
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Re: Penfriend Audio Labeler

2014-11-28 Thread Dane Trethowan
Okay then there’s really no excuse for performance issues then, must have a 
look to see when the App was last updated.

 On 29 Nov 2014, at 2:34 am, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote:
 
 I have a 6+, but I used digit-eyes on a 5 and by the time you positioned
 the camera properly, etc. it could take some time and sometimes I could
 not get it to see the label, and the specialized devices work
 immediately, so this is why I use them instead.
 
 Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote:
 
 What model of iPhone are you using Digit-Eyes on? I’m curious as to whether 
 it may be quicker on the iPhone 6 and IOS 8, I have to admit that Digit-Eyes 
 is not one of those Apps I use each and every day though it does come into 
 its own when I do need to use it.
 
 I can’t comment on the labeled as I don’t have one though I’m now in two 
 minds as to whether it might be worth getting one or not and I appreciate 
 the input from others on this topic, the talking Barcode Reader has also 
 been referred to and its also available.
 
 
 On 28 Nov 2014, at 8:25 pm, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote:
 
 Digit-eyes works great, but it takes too long, pen friend or another
 similar item takes a couple of seconds.
 
 Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote:
 
 Follow the link and check the price for yourself.
 
 If you have an iPhone or similar then you might want to check out 
 Digit-Eyes which is around a quarter of the price.
 
 
 On 28 Nov 2014, at 5:02 pm, John Chilelli j...@neo.rr.com wrote:
 
 Andrea,
 
 Wanna sell yours?
 
 If the price is right, I may be interested.
 
 Blessings,
 
 John
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andrea
 Sherry
 Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 12:08 AM
 To: PC Audio Discussion List
 Subject: Re: Penfriend Audio Labeler
 
 I have had one for a number of years and never use it. Find the process
 cumbersome.
 Andrea
 On 28-Nov-14 3:52 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
 Hi!
 
 I could use one of these, has anyone used one before and - if so - how 
 did
 they find it.
 http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1 
 http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1
 
 **
 
 Dane Trethowan
 grtd...@internode.on.net
 Skype: grtdane12
 Phone US (213) 438-9741
 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
 Mobile: +61400494862
 faceTime +61400494862
 Fax +61397437954
 Twitter: @grtdane
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 **
 
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 Skype: grtdane12
 Phone US (213) 438-9741
 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
 Mobile: +61400494862
 faceTime +61400494862
 Fax +61397437954
 Twitter: @grtdane
 
 
 
 
 
 
 -- 
 Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
 How do
 you spend it?
 
John Covici
cov...@ccs.covici.com
 
 
 **
 
 Dane Trethowan
 grtd...@internode.on.net
 Skype: grtdane12
 Phone US (213) 438-9741
 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
 Mobile: +61400494862
 faceTime +61400494862
 Fax +61397437954
 Twitter: @grtdane
 
 
 
 
 
 
 -- 
 Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
 How do
 you spend it?
 
 John Covici
 cov...@ccs.covici.com
 

**

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Re: Penfriend Audio Labeler

2014-11-28 Thread Geoff Eden

Likewise.

Geoff

-Original Message- 
From: Andrea Sherry

Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 12:08 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Penfriend Audio Labeler

I have had one for a number of years and never use it. Find the process
cumbersome.
Andrea
On 28-Nov-14 3:52 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Hi!

I could use one of these, has anyone used one before and - if so - how did 
they find it.
http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1 
http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1


**

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Penfriend Audio Labeler

2014-11-27 Thread Dane Trethowan
Hi!

I could use one of these, has anyone used one before and - if so - how did they 
find it.
http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1 
http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1

**

Dane Trethowan
grtd...@internode.on.net
Skype: grtdane12
Phone US (213) 438-9741
Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
Mobile: +61400494862
faceTime +61400494862
Fax +61397437954
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Re: Penfriend Audio Labeler

2014-11-27 Thread Andrea Sherry
I have had one for a number of years and never use it. Find the process 
cumbersome.

Andrea
On 28-Nov-14 3:52 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Hi!

I could use one of these, has anyone used one before and - if so - how did they 
find it.
http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1 
http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1

**

Dane Trethowan
grtd...@internode.on.net
Skype: grtdane12
Phone US (213) 438-9741
Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
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faceTime +61400494862
Fax +61397437954
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Re: Penfriend Audio Labeler

2014-11-27 Thread Dane Trethowan
thanks for that, I did think about buying one of these devices but I remembered 
that I pretty much have this sort of system with my IOS devices and an app 
called Digit-Eyes.


 On 28 Nov 2014, at 4:08 pm, Andrea Sherry sherr...@wideband.net.au wrote:
 
 I have had one for a number of years and never use it. Find the process 
 cumbersome.
 Andrea
 On 28-Nov-14 3:52 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
 Hi!
 
 I could use one of these, has anyone used one before and - if so - how did 
 they find it.
 http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1 
 http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1
 
 **
 
 Dane Trethowan
 grtd...@internode.on.net
 Skype: grtdane12
 Phone US (213) 438-9741
 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
 Mobile: +61400494862
 faceTime +61400494862
 Fax +61397437954
 Twitter: @grtdane
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

**

Dane Trethowan
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Skype: grtdane12
Phone US (213) 438-9741
Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
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RE: Penfriend Audio Labeler

2014-11-27 Thread Tina Wilson
Actually, I like mine. I don't use it constantly, but at least, I know it's
there when I really need it to lable something. To me, it's a lot better
than the old fashioned dymo tape. 

Tina  

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
Trethowan
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 8:52 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Penfriend Audio Labeler

Hi!

I could use one of these, has anyone used one before and - if so - how did
they find it.
http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1
http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1

**

Dane Trethowan
grtd...@internode.on.net
Skype: grtdane12
Phone US (213) 438-9741
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Mobile: +61400494862
faceTime +61400494862
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RE: Penfriend Audio Labeler

2014-11-27 Thread Tom Kaufman
I make good use out of mine; that, along with my bar code scanner, are life
savers to me when it comes to looking for and finding food items!
Tom Kaufman

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
Trethowan
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 11:52 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Penfriend Audio Labeler

Hi!

I could use one of these, has anyone used one before and - if so - how did
they find it.
http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1
http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1

**

Dane Trethowan
grtd...@internode.on.net
Skype: grtdane12
Phone US (213) 438-9741
Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
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RE: Penfriend Audio Labeler

2014-11-27 Thread John Chilelli
Andrea,

Wanna sell yours?

If the price is right, I may be interested.

Blessings,

John

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andrea
Sherry
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 12:08 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Penfriend Audio Labeler

I have had one for a number of years and never use it. Find the process
cumbersome.
Andrea
On 28-Nov-14 3:52 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
 Hi!

 I could use one of these, has anyone used one before and - if so - how did
they find it.
 http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1 
 http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1

 **

 Dane Trethowan
 grtd...@internode.on.net
 Skype: grtdane12
 Phone US (213) 438-9741
 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
 Mobile: +61400494862
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Re: Penfriend Audio Labeler

2014-11-27 Thread Dane Trethowan
Follow the link and check the price for yourself.

If you have an iPhone or similar then you might want to check out Digit-Eyes 
which is around a quarter of the price.


 On 28 Nov 2014, at 5:02 pm, John Chilelli j...@neo.rr.com wrote:
 
 Andrea,
 
 Wanna sell yours?
 
 If the price is right, I may be interested.
 
 Blessings,
 
 John
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andrea
 Sherry
 Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 12:08 AM
 To: PC Audio Discussion List
 Subject: Re: Penfriend Audio Labeler
 
 I have had one for a number of years and never use it. Find the process
 cumbersome.
 Andrea
 On 28-Nov-14 3:52 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
 Hi!
 
 I could use one of these, has anyone used one before and - if so - how did
 they find it.
 http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1 
 http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1
 
 **
 
 Dane Trethowan
 grtd...@internode.on.net
 Skype: grtdane12
 Phone US (213) 438-9741
 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
 Mobile: +61400494862
 faceTime +61400494862
 Fax +61397437954
 Twitter: @grtdane
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

**

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Re: Penfriend Audio Labeler

2014-11-27 Thread Andrea Sherry
I have a talking bardcode reader which is far better. This also has 
provfision to make and store labels for items which it cannot find in 
the database which is constantly updated.

On 28-Nov-14 4:48 PM, Tina Wilson wrote:

Actually, I like mine. I don't use it constantly, but at least, I know it's
there when I really need it to lable something. To me, it's a lot better
than the old fashioned dymo tape.

Tina

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
Trethowan
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 8:52 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Penfriend Audio Labeler

Hi!

I could use one of these, has anyone used one before and - if so - how did
they find it.
http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1
http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1

**

Dane Trethowan
grtd...@internode.on.net
Skype: grtdane12
Phone US (213) 438-9741
Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
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Re: Penfriend Audio Labeler

2014-11-27 Thread Dane Trethowan
Yep, Digit-Eyes does much the same thing, I use Digit-Eyes to get accurate CD 
Database information but that’s beside the point as we’re talking about audio 
labels smile.

You can download settings from the Digit-Eyes web site, load them into your 
word processor, write out the labels you want, print them and stick them where 
you need them, you then scan the appropriate label and record your message - 
yep each label is a barcode obviously and I think - correct me if I’m wrong - 
that the Panfried works in a similar way to Digit-eyes and what Andrea’s 
talking about.


 On 28 Nov 2014, at 5:33 pm, Andrea Sherry sherr...@wideband.net.au wrote:
 
 I have a talking bardcode reader which is far better. This also has 
 provfision to make and store labels for items which it cannot find in the 
 database which is constantly updated.
 On 28-Nov-14 4:48 PM, Tina Wilson wrote:
 Actually, I like mine. I don't use it constantly, but at least, I know it's
 there when I really need it to lable something. To me, it's a lot better
 than the old fashioned dymo tape.
 
 Tina
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
 Trethowan
 Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 8:52 PM
 To: PC Audio Discussion List
 Subject: Penfriend Audio Labeler
 
 Hi!
 
 I could use one of these, has anyone used one before and - if so - how did
 they find it.
 http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1
 http://www.braillebookstore.com/PenFriend-Audio-Labeler.1
 
 **
 
 Dane Trethowan
 grtd...@internode.on.net
 Skype: grtdane12
 Phone US (213) 438-9741
 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
 Mobile: +61400494862
 faceTime +61400494862
 Fax +61397437954
 Twitter: @grtdane
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

**

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Skype: grtdane12
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