Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC
But how do I get something like Rollback? I once before had a Gateway computer, which had a Go Back feature, but I don't think this Dell has it! Is this program something called Rollback? - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 9:17 AM Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Exactly, that's why I suggested that list members have something like Rollback on their computer, that way then can rollback to the point before the installation was started, Windows System Restore doesn't always work for this. Another point to ponder, when removing software through the add/remove feature of Windows, unfortunately not all software is equal thus not all software will be removed equally. For example some applications leave great chunks of that application in the registry and on other parts of the computer, this can be often hard to track down. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DJ DOCTOR P Sent: Sunday, 25 November 2007 11:45 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC High Chris, I agree with you. I went through that too. So now when I download a media player of any kind, I always choose custom install. However, all list members if you are reading this, please pay close attention. Real Media doesn't give you that option. Just as you get it, that's how you have to install it. John. - Original Message - From: Chris Skarstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:56 PM Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Hi. This is why it's really, really important to make sure that you don't just click yes like a mad man when you're going through these installs. I've had like 5 other people on the list I run have similar issues, and I can't imagine how everyone misses these checkboxes to install the Winamp remote, and the Winamp toolbar for Internet explorer. . Now, because I chose the custom install instead of the standard one, that's probably why the check boxes showed up. But anymore when it comes to installing a media player, and yes sadly Winamp nowadays even, it's really important to always choose the custom install. That way you know *exactly* what's happening during the instalation and can avoid any other weird software being installed that you don't want on your machine. Believe me, I went through this too, and my atempt isn't to chide or look down on anyone else for not knowing, it's quite the opposite. I want to help folks to not make the same mistakes I made and had to fix later. Hope that helps. At 04:25 AM 11/22/2007, you wrote: They do try to slam you with a tool bar but I can't remember which one. It seems to be the latest fad in the land of media players. Real 11 just tried to get me to take fire Fox and the Google tool bar. they even set fire Fox as the default browser and I didn't know for a while even after I'd uninstalled it. You'd have thought the configuration would have reverted to I.E. when I removed fire fox, but know, smile. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Wood Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 11:11 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC It seems like I got a toolbar with this latest version of Winamp that I had to uninstall. It seemed to mess some things up for me. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Yes, I actually agree with you, I've found Winamp to be a consistent performer until version 5.5 for some reason. Of course (Windows being what it is) there may be some sort of conflict somewhere on my system which Winamp involves itself in. I just think quite frankly that Winamp is becoming one of those pieces of software providing features to try and suit everyone, in other words its becoming big and bloated, a bit like Sound Forge has become in many ways but again that's just my view. Yeah, VLC looks as though it was born and bred to run on a network doesn't it, perhaps you should try adjusting some of the many tweeks and preferences Chris if you're having trouble playing some streams, I haven't gone into this area thoroughly as yet, I haven't had the need to but (if my experience is anything to go by wiusing the Mac version of VLC) you'll be able to fix any problems which arise without too much trouble. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 4:35 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC I also have VLC Media player
Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC
You can download it. On 05/12/2007, at 4:56 AM, Gary Wood wrote: But how do I get something like Rollback? I once before had a Gateway computer, which had a Go Back feature, but I don't think this Dell has it! Is this program something called Rollback? - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 9:17 AM Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Exactly, that's why I suggested that list members have something like Rollback on their computer, that way then can rollback to the point before the installation was started, Windows System Restore doesn't always work for this. Another point to ponder, when removing software through the add/ remove feature of Windows, unfortunately not all software is equal thus not all software will be removed equally. For example some applications leave great chunks of that application in the registry and on other parts of the computer, this can be often hard to track down. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of DJ DOCTOR P Sent: Sunday, 25 November 2007 11:45 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC High Chris, I agree with you. I went through that too. So now when I download a media player of any kind, I always choose custom install. However, all list members if you are reading this, please pay close attention. Real Media doesn't give you that option. Just as you get it, that's how you have to install it. John. - Original Message - From: Chris Skarstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:56 PM Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Hi. This is why it's really, really important to make sure that you don't just click yes like a mad man when you're going through these installs. I've had like 5 other people on the list I run have similar issues, and I can't imagine how everyone misses these checkboxes to install the Winamp remote, and the Winamp toolbar for Internet explorer. . Now, because I chose the custom install instead of the standard one, that's probably why the check boxes showed up. But anymore when it comes to installing a media player, and yes sadly Winamp nowadays even, it's really important to always choose the custom install. That way you know *exactly* what's happening during the instalation and can avoid any other weird software being installed that you don't want on your machine. Believe me, I went through this too, and my atempt isn't to chide or look down on anyone else for not knowing, it's quite the opposite. I want to help folks to not make the same mistakes I made and had to fix later. Hope that helps. At 04:25 AM 11/22/2007, you wrote: They do try to slam you with a tool bar but I can't remember which one. It seems to be the latest fad in the land of media players. Real 11 just tried to get me to take fire Fox and the Google tool bar. they even set fire Fox as the default browser and I didn't know for a while even after I'd uninstalled it. You'd have thought the configuration would have reverted to I.E. when I removed fire fox, but know, smile. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Wood Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 11:11 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC It seems like I got a toolbar with this latest version of Winamp that I had to uninstall. It seemed to mess some things up for me. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Yes, I actually agree with you, I've found Winamp to be a consistent performer until version 5.5 for some reason. Of course (Windows being what it is) there may be some sort of conflict somewhere on my system which Winamp involves itself in. I just think quite frankly that Winamp is becoming one of those pieces of software providing features to try and suit everyone, in other words its becoming big and bloated, a bit like Sound Forge has become in many ways but again that's just my view. Yeah, VLC looks as though it was born and bred to run on a network doesn't it, perhaps you should try adjusting some of the many tweeks and preferences Chris if you're having trouble playing some streams, I haven't gone into this area thoroughly as yet, I haven't had the need to but (if my experience is anything to go by wiusing the Mac version of VLC) you'll be able to fix any problems which arise without too much trouble. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad Sent
Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC
High Chris, I agree with you. I went through that too. So now when I download a media player of any kind, I always choose custom install. However, all list members if you are reading this, please pay close attention. Real Media doesn't give you that option. Just as you get it, that's how you have to install it. John. - Original Message - From: Chris Skarstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:56 PM Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Hi. This is why it's really, really important to make sure that you don't just click yes like a mad man when you're going through these installs. I've had like 5 other people on the list I run have similar issues, and I can't imagine how everyone misses these checkboxes to install the Winamp remote, and the Winamp toolbar for Internet explorer. . Now, because I chose the custom install instead of the standard one, that's probably why the check boxes showed up. But anymore when it comes to installing a media player, and yes sadly Winamp nowadays even, it's really important to always choose the custom install. That way you know *exactly* what's happening during the instalation and can avoid any other weird software being installed that you don't want on your machine. Believe me, I went through this too, and my atempt isn't to chide or look down on anyone else for not knowing, it's quite the opposite. I want to help folks to not make the same mistakes I made and had to fix later. Hope that helps. At 04:25 AM 11/22/2007, you wrote: They do try to slam you with a tool bar but I can't remember which one. It seems to be the latest fad in the land of media players. Real 11 just tried to get me to take fire Fox and the Google tool bar. they even set fire Fox as the default browser and I didn't know for a while even after I'd uninstalled it. You'd have thought the configuration would have reverted to I.E. when I removed fire fox, but know, smile. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Wood Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 11:11 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC It seems like I got a toolbar with this latest version of Winamp that I had to uninstall. It seemed to mess some things up for me. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Yes, I actually agree with you, I've found Winamp to be a consistent performer until version 5.5 for some reason. Of course (Windows being what it is) there may be some sort of conflict somewhere on my system which Winamp involves itself in. I just think quite frankly that Winamp is becoming one of those pieces of software providing features to try and suit everyone, in other words its becoming big and bloated, a bit like Sound Forge has become in many ways but again that's just my view. Yeah, VLC looks as though it was born and bred to run on a network doesn't it, perhaps you should try adjusting some of the many tweeks and preferences Chris if you're having trouble playing some streams, I haven't gone into this area thoroughly as yet, I haven't had the need to but (if my experience is anything to go by wiusing the Mac version of VLC) you'll be able to fix any problems which arise without too much trouble. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 4:35 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC I also have VLC Media player and it's a very interesting little program. It plays some file types better than others on my system and if you have your computers on a network it works great. Now, this Winamp issue...I've been using Windows in all its versions for 10 years, 95, 98 SE, XP and I'm sure at some point, i'll even give into Vista. But in all that time, I can say with absolute certainty that Winamp has never caused my computer to crash, in other words just running Winamp never made my computer crash. I would suspect that in Dane's case, there are other issues with the computer he is using to run Windows. It just saddens me that we have people trashing each other's choices of an operating system, we all need to remember that everyone's needs are different and while some prefer windows, others prefer Apple Macks. Let's quit all the mean little jabs here. You don't see me sitting there calling the apple mack a trashbox, so I would expect that people would respect my choice even though they may disagree with it. Come on now. At 10:16 AM 11/20/2007, you wrote: Really? Well VLC actually (let the truth be told) is Open source and is a cross
RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC
Exactly, that's why I suggested that list members have something like Rollback on their computer, that way then can rollback to the point before the installation was started, Windows System Restore doesn't always work for this. Another point to ponder, when removing software through the add/remove feature of Windows, unfortunately not all software is equal thus not all software will be removed equally. For example some applications leave great chunks of that application in the registry and on other parts of the computer, this can be often hard to track down. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DJ DOCTOR P Sent: Sunday, 25 November 2007 11:45 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC High Chris, I agree with you. I went through that too. So now when I download a media player of any kind, I always choose custom install. However, all list members if you are reading this, please pay close attention. Real Media doesn't give you that option. Just as you get it, that's how you have to install it. John. - Original Message - From: Chris Skarstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:56 PM Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Hi. This is why it's really, really important to make sure that you don't just click yes like a mad man when you're going through these installs. I've had like 5 other people on the list I run have similar issues, and I can't imagine how everyone misses these checkboxes to install the Winamp remote, and the Winamp toolbar for Internet explorer. . Now, because I chose the custom install instead of the standard one, that's probably why the check boxes showed up. But anymore when it comes to installing a media player, and yes sadly Winamp nowadays even, it's really important to always choose the custom install. That way you know *exactly* what's happening during the instalation and can avoid any other weird software being installed that you don't want on your machine. Believe me, I went through this too, and my atempt isn't to chide or look down on anyone else for not knowing, it's quite the opposite. I want to help folks to not make the same mistakes I made and had to fix later. Hope that helps. At 04:25 AM 11/22/2007, you wrote: They do try to slam you with a tool bar but I can't remember which one. It seems to be the latest fad in the land of media players. Real 11 just tried to get me to take fire Fox and the Google tool bar. they even set fire Fox as the default browser and I didn't know for a while even after I'd uninstalled it. You'd have thought the configuration would have reverted to I.E. when I removed fire fox, but know, smile. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Wood Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 11:11 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC It seems like I got a toolbar with this latest version of Winamp that I had to uninstall. It seemed to mess some things up for me. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Yes, I actually agree with you, I've found Winamp to be a consistent performer until version 5.5 for some reason. Of course (Windows being what it is) there may be some sort of conflict somewhere on my system which Winamp involves itself in. I just think quite frankly that Winamp is becoming one of those pieces of software providing features to try and suit everyone, in other words its becoming big and bloated, a bit like Sound Forge has become in many ways but again that's just my view. Yeah, VLC looks as though it was born and bred to run on a network doesn't it, perhaps you should try adjusting some of the many tweeks and preferences Chris if you're having trouble playing some streams, I haven't gone into this area thoroughly as yet, I haven't had the need to but (if my experience is anything to go by wiusing the Mac version of VLC) you'll be able to fix any problems which arise without too much trouble. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 4:35 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC I also have VLC Media player and it's a very interesting little program. It plays some file types better than others on my system and if you have your computers on a network it works great. Now, this Winamp issue...I've been using Windows in all its versions for 10 years, 95, 98 SE, XP and I'm sure at some point, i'll even give into Vista. But in all that time, I can say with absolute certainty that Winamp has never caused my computer
Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC
High Dane, Where do you look for this role back program? John. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 9:17 AM Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Exactly, that's why I suggested that list members have something like Rollback on their computer, that way then can rollback to the point before the installation was started, Windows System Restore doesn't always work for this. Another point to ponder, when removing software through the add/remove feature of Windows, unfortunately not all software is equal thus not all software will be removed equally. For example some applications leave great chunks of that application in the registry and on other parts of the computer, this can be often hard to track down. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DJ DOCTOR P Sent: Sunday, 25 November 2007 11:45 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC High Chris, I agree with you. I went through that too. So now when I download a media player of any kind, I always choose custom install. However, all list members if you are reading this, please pay close attention. Real Media doesn't give you that option. Just as you get it, that's how you have to install it. John. - Original Message - From: Chris Skarstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:56 PM Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Hi. This is why it's really, really important to make sure that you don't just click yes like a mad man when you're going through these installs. I've had like 5 other people on the list I run have similar issues, and I can't imagine how everyone misses these checkboxes to install the Winamp remote, and the Winamp toolbar for Internet explorer. . Now, because I chose the custom install instead of the standard one, that's probably why the check boxes showed up. But anymore when it comes to installing a media player, and yes sadly Winamp nowadays even, it's really important to always choose the custom install. That way you know *exactly* what's happening during the instalation and can avoid any other weird software being installed that you don't want on your machine. Believe me, I went through this too, and my atempt isn't to chide or look down on anyone else for not knowing, it's quite the opposite. I want to help folks to not make the same mistakes I made and had to fix later. Hope that helps. At 04:25 AM 11/22/2007, you wrote: They do try to slam you with a tool bar but I can't remember which one. It seems to be the latest fad in the land of media players. Real 11 just tried to get me to take fire Fox and the Google tool bar. they even set fire Fox as the default browser and I didn't know for a while even after I'd uninstalled it. You'd have thought the configuration would have reverted to I.E. when I removed fire fox, but know, smile. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Wood Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 11:11 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC It seems like I got a toolbar with this latest version of Winamp that I had to uninstall. It seemed to mess some things up for me. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Yes, I actually agree with you, I've found Winamp to be a consistent performer until version 5.5 for some reason. Of course (Windows being what it is) there may be some sort of conflict somewhere on my system which Winamp involves itself in. I just think quite frankly that Winamp is becoming one of those pieces of software providing features to try and suit everyone, in other words its becoming big and bloated, a bit like Sound Forge has become in many ways but again that's just my view. Yeah, VLC looks as though it was born and bred to run on a network doesn't it, perhaps you should try adjusting some of the many tweeks and preferences Chris if you're having trouble playing some streams, I haven't gone into this area thoroughly as yet, I haven't had the need to but (if my experience is anything to go by wiusing the Mac version of VLC) you'll be able to fix any problems which arise without too much trouble. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 4:35 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC I also have VLC Media player and it's a very interesting little program. It plays some file types better than others on my system and if you have your
Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC
Rollback is one word, I found it on Google so I'll look again and post the url if someone hasn't already done this before me. The discussion of Rollback is probably off-topic for this list so if anyone has any questions about how the software works etc then email me privately or find the web site. On 26/11/2007, at 5:31 AM, DJ DOCTOR P wrote: High Dane, Where do you look for this role back program? John. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 9:17 AM Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Exactly, that's why I suggested that list members have something like Rollback on their computer, that way then can rollback to the point before the installation was started, Windows System Restore doesn't always work for this. Another point to ponder, when removing software through the add/ remove feature of Windows, unfortunately not all software is equal thus not all software will be removed equally. For example some applications leave great chunks of that application in the registry and on other parts of the computer, this can be often hard to track down. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of DJ DOCTOR P Sent: Sunday, 25 November 2007 11:45 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC High Chris, I agree with you. I went through that too. So now when I download a media player of any kind, I always choose custom install. However, all list members if you are reading this, please pay close attention. Real Media doesn't give you that option. Just as you get it, that's how you have to install it. John. - Original Message - From: Chris Skarstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:56 PM Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Hi. This is why it's really, really important to make sure that you don't just click yes like a mad man when you're going through these installs. I've had like 5 other people on the list I run have similar issues, and I can't imagine how everyone misses these checkboxes to install the Winamp remote, and the Winamp toolbar for Internet explorer. . Now, because I chose the custom install instead of the standard one, that's probably why the check boxes showed up. But anymore when it comes to installing a media player, and yes sadly Winamp nowadays even, it's really important to always choose the custom install. That way you know *exactly* what's happening during the instalation and can avoid any other weird software being installed that you don't want on your machine. Believe me, I went through this too, and my atempt isn't to chide or look down on anyone else for not knowing, it's quite the opposite. I want to help folks to not make the same mistakes I made and had to fix later. Hope that helps. At 04:25 AM 11/22/2007, you wrote: They do try to slam you with a tool bar but I can't remember which one. It seems to be the latest fad in the land of media players. Real 11 just tried to get me to take fire Fox and the Google tool bar. they even set fire Fox as the default browser and I didn't know for a while even after I'd uninstalled it. You'd have thought the configuration would have reverted to I.E. when I removed fire fox, but know, smile. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Wood Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 11:11 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC It seems like I got a toolbar with this latest version of Winamp that I had to uninstall. It seemed to mess some things up for me. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Yes, I actually agree with you, I've found Winamp to be a consistent performer until version 5.5 for some reason. Of course (Windows being what it is) there may be some sort of conflict somewhere on my system which Winamp involves itself in. I just think quite frankly that Winamp is becoming one of those pieces of software providing features to try and suit everyone, in other words its becoming big and bloated, a bit like Sound Forge has become in many ways but again that's just my view. Yeah, VLC looks as though it was born and bred to run on a network doesn't it, perhaps you should try adjusting some of the many tweeks and preferences Chris if you're having trouble playing some streams, I haven't gone into this area thoroughly as yet, I haven't had the need to but (if my experience is anything to go by wiusing the Mac version of VLC) you'll be able to fix any problems
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Thanks Chris! It's one of the best pieces of advice you could give to the community. bb - Original Message - From: Chris Skarstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 12:56 PM Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Hi. This is why it's really, really important to make sure that you don't just click yes like a mad man when you're going through these installs. I've had like 5 other people on the list I run have similar issues, and I can't imagine how everyone misses these checkboxes to install the Winamp remote, and the Winamp toolbar for Internet explorer. . Now, because I chose the custom install instead of the standard one, that's probably why the check boxes showed up. But anymore when it comes to installing a media player, and yes sadly Winamp nowadays even, it's really important to always choose the custom install. That way you know *exactly* what's happening during the instalation and can avoid any other weird software being installed that you don't want on your machine. Believe me, I went through this too, and my atempt isn't to chide or look down on anyone else for not knowing, it's quite the opposite. I want to help folks to not make the same mistakes I made and had to fix later. Hope that helps. At 04:25 AM 11/22/2007, you wrote: They do try to slam you with a tool bar but I can't remember which one. It seems to be the latest fad in the land of media players. Real 11 just tried to get me to take fire Fox and the Google tool bar. they even set fire Fox as the default browser and I didn't know for a while even after I'd uninstalled it. You'd have thought the configuration would have reverted to I.E. when I removed fire fox, but know, smile. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Wood Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 11:11 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC It seems like I got a toolbar with this latest version of Winamp that I had to uninstall. It seemed to mess some things up for me. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Yes, I actually agree with you, I've found Winamp to be a consistent performer until version 5.5 for some reason. Of course (Windows being what it is) there may be some sort of conflict somewhere on my system which Winamp involves itself in. I just think quite frankly that Winamp is becoming one of those pieces of software providing features to try and suit everyone, in other words its becoming big and bloated, a bit like Sound Forge has become in many ways but again that's just my view. Yeah, VLC looks as though it was born and bred to run on a network doesn't it, perhaps you should try adjusting some of the many tweeks and preferences Chris if you're having trouble playing some streams, I haven't gone into this area thoroughly as yet, I haven't had the need to but (if my experience is anything to go by wiusing the Mac version of VLC) you'll be able to fix any problems which arise without too much trouble. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 4:35 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC I also have VLC Media player and it's a very interesting little program. It plays some file types better than others on my system and if you have your computers on a network it works great. Now, this Winamp issue...I've been using Windows in all its versions for 10 years, 95, 98 SE, XP and I'm sure at some point, i'll even give into Vista. But in all that time, I can say with absolute certainty that Winamp has never caused my computer to crash, in other words just running Winamp never made my computer crash. I would suspect that in Dane's case, there are other issues with the computer he is using to run Windows. It just saddens me that we have people trashing each other's choices of an operating system, we all need to remember that everyone's needs are different and while some prefer windows, others prefer Apple Macks. Let's quit all the mean little jabs here. You don't see me sitting there calling the apple mack a trashbox, so I would expect that people would respect my choice even though they may disagree with it. Come on now. At 10:16 AM 11/20/2007, you wrote: Really? Well VLC actually (let the truth be told) is Open source and is a cross platform media player. We have a publication in our newspaper The Age every Thursday and VLC has been getting rave reviews for the PC in it for quite some time, had I not needed to come back to Trashbox PC then I wouldn't have
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Well two things I figured out with Winamp: I figured out that everything worked much better, and I didn't have trouble with other things when I uninstalled that damn Winamp Toolbar, and never put it back in, and just as well, I didn't add that other Winamp thing they asked me to install. They both were buggers, as far as I was concerned. Jeez! - Original Message - From: albert griffith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 5:25 AM Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC They do try to slam you with a tool bar but I can't remember which one. It seems to be the latest fad in the land of media players. Real 11 just tried to get me to take fire Fox and the Google tool bar. they even set fire Fox as the default browser and I didn't know for a while even after I'd uninstalled it. You'd have thought the configuration would have reverted to I.E. when I removed fire fox, but know, smile. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Wood Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 11:11 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC It seems like I got a toolbar with this latest version of Winamp that I had to uninstall. It seemed to mess some things up for me. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Yes, I actually agree with you, I've found Winamp to be a consistent performer until version 5.5 for some reason. Of course (Windows being what it is) there may be some sort of conflict somewhere on my system which Winamp involves itself in. I just think quite frankly that Winamp is becoming one of those pieces of software providing features to try and suit everyone, in other words its becoming big and bloated, a bit like Sound Forge has become in many ways but again that's just my view. Yeah, VLC looks as though it was born and bred to run on a network doesn't it, perhaps you should try adjusting some of the many tweeks and preferences Chris if you're having trouble playing some streams, I haven't gone into this area thoroughly as yet, I haven't had the need to but (if my experience is anything to go by wiusing the Mac version of VLC) you'll be able to fix any problems which arise without too much trouble. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 4:35 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC I also have VLC Media player and it's a very interesting little program. It plays some file types better than others on my system and if you have your computers on a network it works great. Now, this Winamp issue...I've been using Windows in all its versions for 10 years, 95, 98 SE, XP and I'm sure at some point, i'll even give into Vista. But in all that time, I can say with absolute certainty that Winamp has never caused my computer to crash, in other words just running Winamp never made my computer crash. I would suspect that in Dane's case, there are other issues with the computer he is using to run Windows. It just saddens me that we have people trashing each other's choices of an operating system, we all need to remember that everyone's needs are different and while some prefer windows, others prefer Apple Macks. Let's quit all the mean little jabs here. You don't see me sitting there calling the apple mack a trashbox, so I would expect that people would respect my choice even though they may disagree with it. Come on now. At 10:16 AM 11/20/2007, you wrote: Really? Well VLC actually (let the truth be told) is Open source and is a cross platform media player. We have a publication in our newspaper The Age every Thursday and VLC has been getting rave reviews for the PC in it for quite some time, had I not needed to come back to Trashbox PC then I wouldn't have bothered investigating. Anyhow, for those who want to try something tha's nice and small and runs very nicely then have a look. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Gillard Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 2:53 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC If Winamp is a little to complicated for you I might suggest that you keep using your proprietary Mac crap! Thank you for contributing to my block senders list! - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:45 AM Subject: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Ok folks, I tried out the latest (and greatest?) version of Winamp and I had a few problems running it on the trashbox (otherwise
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Hi. This is why it's really, really important to make sure that you don't just click yes like a mad man when you're going through these installs. I've had like 5 other people on the list I run have similar issues, and I can't imagine how everyone misses these checkboxes to install the Winamp remote, and the Winamp toolbar for Internet explorer. . Now, because I chose the custom install instead of the standard one, that's probably why the check boxes showed up. But anymore when it comes to installing a media player, and yes sadly Winamp nowadays even, it's really important to always choose the custom install. That way you know *exactly* what's happening during the instalation and can avoid any other weird software being installed that you don't want on your machine. Believe me, I went through this too, and my atempt isn't to chide or look down on anyone else for not knowing, it's quite the opposite. I want to help folks to not make the same mistakes I made and had to fix later. Hope that helps. At 04:25 AM 11/22/2007, you wrote: They do try to slam you with a tool bar but I can't remember which one. It seems to be the latest fad in the land of media players. Real 11 just tried to get me to take fire Fox and the Google tool bar. they even set fire Fox as the default browser and I didn't know for a while even after I'd uninstalled it. You'd have thought the configuration would have reverted to I.E. when I removed fire fox, but know, smile. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Wood Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 11:11 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC It seems like I got a toolbar with this latest version of Winamp that I had to uninstall. It seemed to mess some things up for me. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Yes, I actually agree with you, I've found Winamp to be a consistent performer until version 5.5 for some reason. Of course (Windows being what it is) there may be some sort of conflict somewhere on my system which Winamp involves itself in. I just think quite frankly that Winamp is becoming one of those pieces of software providing features to try and suit everyone, in other words its becoming big and bloated, a bit like Sound Forge has become in many ways but again that's just my view. Yeah, VLC looks as though it was born and bred to run on a network doesn't it, perhaps you should try adjusting some of the many tweeks and preferences Chris if you're having trouble playing some streams, I haven't gone into this area thoroughly as yet, I haven't had the need to but (if my experience is anything to go by wiusing the Mac version of VLC) you'll be able to fix any problems which arise without too much trouble. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 4:35 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC I also have VLC Media player and it's a very interesting little program. It plays some file types better than others on my system and if you have your computers on a network it works great. Now, this Winamp issue...I've been using Windows in all its versions for 10 years, 95, 98 SE, XP and I'm sure at some point, i'll even give into Vista. But in all that time, I can say with absolute certainty that Winamp has never caused my computer to crash, in other words just running Winamp never made my computer crash. I would suspect that in Dane's case, there are other issues with the computer he is using to run Windows. It just saddens me that we have people trashing each other's choices of an operating system, we all need to remember that everyone's needs are different and while some prefer windows, others prefer Apple Macks. Let's quit all the mean little jabs here. You don't see me sitting there calling the apple mack a trashbox, so I would expect that people would respect my choice even though they may disagree with it. Come on now. At 10:16 AM 11/20/2007, you wrote: Really? Well VLC actually (let the truth be told) is Open source and is a cross platform media player. We have a publication in our newspaper The Age every Thursday and VLC has been getting rave reviews for the PC in it for quite some time, had I not needed to come back to Trashbox PC then I wouldn't have bothered investigating. Anyhow, for those who want to try something tha's nice and small and runs very nicely then have a look. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Gillard Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 2:53 AM To: PC Audio Discussion
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Good point. One of the great things worth having around is the software called Rollback, that way if Winamp or other software doesn't function or isn't as accesible as you think it ought to be then you can just go back to a point before the install as though nothing had happened. On 25/11/2007, at 6:56 AM, Chris Skarstad wrote: Hi. This is why it's really, really important to make sure that you don't just click yes like a mad man when you're going through these installs. I've had like 5 other people on the list I run have similar issues, and I can't imagine how everyone misses these checkboxes to install the Winamp remote, and the Winamp toolbar for Internet explorer. . Now, because I chose the custom install instead of the standard one, that's probably why the check boxes showed up. But anymore when it comes to installing a media player, and yes sadly Winamp nowadays even, it's really important to always choose the custom install. That way you know *exactly* what's happening during the instalation and can avoid any other weird software being installed that you don't want on your machine. Believe me, I went through this too, and my atempt isn't to chide or look down on anyone else for not knowing, it's quite the opposite. I want to help folks to not make the same mistakes I made and had to fix later. Hope that helps. At 04:25 AM 11/22/2007, you wrote: They do try to slam you with a tool bar but I can't remember which one. It seems to be the latest fad in the land of media players. Real 11 just tried to get me to take fire Fox and the Google tool bar. they even set fire Fox as the default browser and I didn't know for a while even after I'd uninstalled it. You'd have thought the configuration would have reverted to I.E. when I removed fire fox, but know, smile. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Gary Wood Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 11:11 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC It seems like I got a toolbar with this latest version of Winamp that I had to uninstall. It seemed to mess some things up for me. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Yes, I actually agree with you, I've found Winamp to be a consistent performer until version 5.5 for some reason. Of course (Windows being what it is) there may be some sort of conflict somewhere on my system which Winamp involves itself in. I just think quite frankly that Winamp is becoming one of those pieces of software providing features to try and suit everyone, in other words its becoming big and bloated, a bit like Sound Forge has become in many ways but again that's just my view. Yeah, VLC looks as though it was born and bred to run on a network doesn't it, perhaps you should try adjusting some of the many tweeks and preferences Chris if you're having trouble playing some streams, I haven't gone into this area thoroughly as yet, I haven't had the need to but (if my experience is anything to go by wiusing the Mac version of VLC) you'll be able to fix any problems which arise without too much trouble. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 4:35 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC I also have VLC Media player and it's a very interesting little program. It plays some file types better than others on my system and if you have your computers on a network it works great. Now, this Winamp issue...I've been using Windows in all its versions for 10 years, 95, 98 SE, XP and I'm sure at some point, i'll even give into Vista. But in all that time, I can say with absolute certainty that Winamp has never caused my computer to crash, in other words just running Winamp never made my computer crash. I would suspect that in Dane's case, there are other issues with the computer he is using to run Windows. It just saddens me that we have people trashing each other's choices of an operating system, we all need to remember that everyone's needs are different and while some prefer windows, others prefer Apple Macks. Let's quit all the mean little jabs here. You don't see me sitting there calling the apple mack a trashbox, so I would expect that people would respect my choice even though they may disagree with it. Come on now. At 10:16 AM 11/20/2007, you wrote: Really? Well VLC actually (let the truth be told) is Open source and is a cross platform media player. We have a publication in our newspaper The Age every Thursday and VLC has been getting rave reviews for the PC in it for quite some time, had I not needed
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You've hit on one of the reasons I abandoned Real Player years ago, it fiddles with the system too much, sends information from your PC too much etc so by the sounds of it, little has changed. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of albert griffith Sent: Thursday, 22 November 2007 9:26 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC They do try to slam you with a tool bar but I can't remember which one. It seems to be the latest fad in the land of media players. Real 11 just tried to get me to take fire Fox and the Google tool bar. they even set fire Fox as the default browser and I didn't know for a while even after I'd uninstalled it. You'd have thought the configuration would have reverted to I.E. when I removed fire fox, but know, smile. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Wood Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 11:11 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC It seems like I got a toolbar with this latest version of Winamp that I had to uninstall. It seemed to mess some things up for me. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Yes, I actually agree with you, I've found Winamp to be a consistent performer until version 5.5 for some reason. Of course (Windows being what it is) there may be some sort of conflict somewhere on my system which Winamp involves itself in. I just think quite frankly that Winamp is becoming one of those pieces of software providing features to try and suit everyone, in other words its becoming big and bloated, a bit like Sound Forge has become in many ways but again that's just my view. Yeah, VLC looks as though it was born and bred to run on a network doesn't it, perhaps you should try adjusting some of the many tweeks and preferences Chris if you're having trouble playing some streams, I haven't gone into this area thoroughly as yet, I haven't had the need to but (if my experience is anything to go by wiusing the Mac version of VLC) you'll be able to fix any problems which arise without too much trouble. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 4:35 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC I also have VLC Media player and it's a very interesting little program. It plays some file types better than others on my system and if you have your computers on a network it works great. Now, this Winamp issue...I've been using Windows in all its versions for 10 years, 95, 98 SE, XP and I'm sure at some point, i'll even give into Vista. But in all that time, I can say with absolute certainty that Winamp has never caused my computer to crash, in other words just running Winamp never made my computer crash. I would suspect that in Dane's case, there are other issues with the computer he is using to run Windows. It just saddens me that we have people trashing each other's choices of an operating system, we all need to remember that everyone's needs are different and while some prefer windows, others prefer Apple Macks. Let's quit all the mean little jabs here. You don't see me sitting there calling the apple mack a trashbox, so I would expect that people would respect my choice even though they may disagree with it. Come on now. At 10:16 AM 11/20/2007, you wrote: Really? Well VLC actually (let the truth be told) is Open source and is a cross platform media player. We have a publication in our newspaper The Age every Thursday and VLC has been getting rave reviews for the PC in it for quite some time, had I not needed to come back to Trashbox PC then I wouldn't have bothered investigating. Anyhow, for those who want to try something tha's nice and small and runs very nicely then have a look. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Gillard Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 2:53 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC If Winamp is a little to complicated for you I might suggest that you keep using your proprietary Mac crap! Thank you for contributing to my block senders list! - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:45 AM Subject: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Ok folks, I tried out the latest (and greatest?) version of Winamp and I had a few problems running it on the trashbox (otherwise known as the Windows PC) smile For some reason (I don't know why) Winamp it seems, was responsible for the Trashbox crashing every few
Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC
High Dane, You wanted me to report back to you after trying VLC. I found that it lets me open and play moldable audio files at one time. In both Windows Media Player and Winamp, you have to do a control-a to select them all then inter to play them all. In VLC, those are a couple of steps you get to skip. Was it you that had the documentation of VLC in a .PDF file? If so, please send it to me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This way, I can do some reading up on this media player in hope to fully learn how VLC really works. Thank you for making the suggestion. John. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:29 PM Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Shouldn't be a problem, let me know how you get on. Of course, you could always use Real Alternative to play Real Audio files if you're not comfortable with VLC. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DJ DOCTOR P Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 4:15 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC High Dane, Ok, I will look for it some time today and try it out. I tried to play a .ram file in Winamp 5.35, but it wouldn't play. So this may work without me having to download a Real Player. John. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:04 PM Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Yep certainly! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DJ DOCTOR P Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 4:02 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC High Dane, Can VLC play .ram files? John. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:45 AM Subject: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Ok folks, I tried out the latest (and greatest?) version of Winamp and I had a few problems running it on the trashbox (otherwise known as the Windows PC) smile For some reason (I don't know why) Winamp it seems, was responsible for the Trashbox crashing every few minutes. Naturally this behavior to anyone (particularly to a Mac user where crashes are few and far between) lol is totally unacceptable so back onto the machine went VLC media Player, it was listening to both that I make the following observations. Firstly, VLC does a far better job ad decoding media such as MP3 etc, you can hear the differences quite distinctly. Controls are similar to those presented in Winamp and in a lot of ways, VLC is easier to use with a screen reader, not as cluttered as Winamp seems to be. I've been using VLC on the Mac for ages but haven't had too much experience with it on the PC, the command set is slightly different but that's probably due mainly to differences in the keyboard layout between Mac and Trashbox Windows PC. For example, you go to previous and next tracks in VLC under the Mac using command-left and command-right arrow respectively, on the PC version you use P and N on the keyboard If anyone would like to give this excellent little media player a try then use your friend Google and look for vlc, you'll have no trouble finding it. Takes up a lot less space than Winamp does plus it will play just about everything you can throw at it, including Cue and Wave/FLAC pairs. Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.1/1141 - Release Date: 11/20/2007 11:34 AM Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.1/1141 - Release Date: 11/20/2007 11:34 AM Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.1/1141 - Release Date: 11/20/2007 11:34 AM Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list
RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC
Right, just go into the VLC programme group and you'll find links to the documentation there. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DJ DOCTOR P Sent: Friday, 23 November 2007 12:51 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC High Dane, You wanted me to report back to you after trying VLC. I found that it lets me open and play moldable audio files at one time. In both Windows Media Player and Winamp, you have to do a control-a to select them all then inter to play them all. In VLC, those are a couple of steps you get to skip. Was it you that had the documentation of VLC in a .PDF file? If so, please send it to me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This way, I can do some reading up on this media player in hope to fully learn how VLC really works. Thank you for making the suggestion. John. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:29 PM Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Shouldn't be a problem, let me know how you get on. Of course, you could always use Real Alternative to play Real Audio files if you're not comfortable with VLC. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DJ DOCTOR P Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 4:15 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC High Dane, Ok, I will look for it some time today and try it out. I tried to play a .ram file in Winamp 5.35, but it wouldn't play. So this may work without me having to download a Real Player. John. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:04 PM Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Yep certainly! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DJ DOCTOR P Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 4:02 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC High Dane, Can VLC play .ram files? John. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:45 AM Subject: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Ok folks, I tried out the latest (and greatest?) version of Winamp and I had a few problems running it on the trashbox (otherwise known as the Windows PC) smile For some reason (I don't know why) Winamp it seems, was responsible for the Trashbox crashing every few minutes. Naturally this behavior to anyone (particularly to a Mac user where crashes are few and far between) lol is totally unacceptable so back onto the machine went VLC media Player, it was listening to both that I make the following observations. Firstly, VLC does a far better job ad decoding media such as MP3 etc, you can hear the differences quite distinctly. Controls are similar to those presented in Winamp and in a lot of ways, VLC is easier to use with a screen reader, not as cluttered as Winamp seems to be. I've been using VLC on the Mac for ages but haven't had too much experience with it on the PC, the command set is slightly different but that's probably due mainly to differences in the keyboard layout between Mac and Trashbox Windows PC. For example, you go to previous and next tracks in VLC under the Mac using command-left and command-right arrow respectively, on the PC version you use P and N on the keyboard If anyone would like to give this excellent little media player a try then use your friend Google and look for vlc, you'll have no trouble finding it. Takes up a lot less space than Winamp does plus it will play just about everything you can throw at it, including Cue and Wave/FLAC pairs. Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.1/1141 - Release Date: 11/20/2007 11:34 AM Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.1/1141 - Release Date: 11/20/2007 11:34 AM Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank
Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC
Yep, if you install Winamp as it is without making any modifications to it, then hell yeah, it's gonna be kinda bloated and the newer versions do use more system resources. But the wonderful thing about Winamp is it's customizable. If you don't like a particular feature, you can choose not to install it, or if you just want something quick and easy, there are multiple versions i.e. lite, full, bundle and pro I think is what they call them nowadays. The lite version works nice, but it doesn't seem to play ogg files for some reason, they don't seem to give you the ability to do that so that is kind of a bummer. But I like that Winamp is as flexible as it is. At 01:57 PM 11/20/2007, you wrote: Acutally there is a problem with 5.5 and some mp3s. Check the archives if there are any of the winamp for the blind list. We are actualy discussing this issue now. SAG - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:46 AM Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Yes, I actually agree with you, I've found Winamp to be a consistent performer until version 5.5 for some reason. Of course (Windows being what it is) there may be some sort of conflict somewhere on my system which Winamp involves itself in. I just think quite frankly that Winamp is becoming one of those pieces of software providing features to try and suit everyone, in other words its becoming big and bloated, a bit like Sound Forge has become in many ways but again that's just my view. Yeah, VLC looks as though it was born and bred to run on a network doesn't it, perhaps you should try adjusting some of the many tweeks and preferences Chris if you're having trouble playing some streams, I haven't gone into this area thoroughly as yet, I haven't had the need to but (if my experience is anything to go by wiusing the Mac version of VLC) you'll be able to fix any problems which arise without too much trouble. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 4:35 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC I also have VLC Media player and it's a very interesting little program. It plays some file types better than others on my system and if you have your computers on a network it works great. Now, this Winamp issue...I've been using Windows in all its versions for 10 years, 95, 98 SE, XP and I'm sure at some point, i'll even give into Vista. But in all that time, I can say with absolute certainty that Winamp has never caused my computer to crash, in other words just running Winamp never made my computer crash. I would suspect that in Dane's case, there are other issues with the computer he is using to run Windows. It just saddens me that we have people trashing each other's choices of an operating system, we all need to remember that everyone's needs are different and while some prefer windows, others prefer Apple Macks. Let's quit all the mean little jabs here. You don't see me sitting there calling the apple mack a trashbox, so I would expect that people would respect my choice even though they may disagree with it. Come on now. At 10:16 AM 11/20/2007, you wrote: Really? Well VLC actually (let the truth be told) is Open source and is a cross platform media player. We have a publication in our newspaper The Age every Thursday and VLC has been getting rave reviews for the PC in it for quite some time, had I not needed to come back to Trashbox PC then I wouldn't have bothered investigating. Anyhow, for those who want to try something tha's nice and small and runs very nicely then have a look. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Gillard Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 2:53 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC If Winamp is a little to complicated for you I might suggest that you keep using your proprietary Mac crap! Thank you for contributing to my block senders list! - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:45 AM Subject: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Ok folks, I tried out the latest (and greatest?) version of Winamp and I had a few problems running it on the trashbox (otherwise known as the Windows PC) smile For some reason (I don't know why) Winamp it seems, was responsible for the Trashbox crashing every few minutes. Naturally this behavior to anyone (particularly to a Mac user where crashes are few and far between) lol is totally unacceptable so back onto the machine went VLC media Player, it was listening to both that I make the following observations. Firstly, VLC does a far better job ad decoding media such as MP3 etc, you can
Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC
High Dane, 20 years ago, the screen reader for the MACKS were built in to the sound cards. But back then, they were called echo speech synthesizers. It was a good while back I thank in April or May of this year, someone on this list said that tiger was a screen reader for the MACKS. OXX systems I've heard of, but I've never heard of that one,so please forgive me. I only said I'd like to see them in action because I wonder how much has changed in MACKS cense the last 20 years. How are those sound cards sat up these days? And thanks for the corrections. John. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 1:10 AM Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Ok, just to correct you on a couple of points here. Tiger was an operating system for the Mac (like say Windows for the PC) but it has now become superseeded. The Mac Screen Reader is indeed VoiceOver but it is not built-in to the Sound Card rather its part of the Mac Operating System, it has been sine 2005. Hope this helps. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DJ DOCTOR P Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 4:56 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Hello Tyler, There is a screen reader for the Mack systems. It's called Tiger, and it's built in to the sound card. I haven't played with a Mack in more then 20 years, but I here that it's more assessable then Windows. I don't know this for sure, like you I would like to see it in action too. John. - Original Message - From: Timberwolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 5:43 PM Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Ok. Lets make a few things clear. 1. What in the world is your problem with windows. If you don't like it, don't use it, not to mention don't call it a trashbox, you don't see me sittin here calling your mack a trashbox. I haven't used a mack because I don't know if there are any screenreaders available and certainly I haven't heard of any. 2. Secondly because, imho anyway, apple's products are a bit overpriced and not to mention I wish other companies would support mack (if mack is so great, etc). I've got an acer aspire 3000+ here, hp pavillion dv5220, and just recently got an alienware, 2.3 ghz intel duel core processor, 2 gb ram, top of the line etc. Now, the reason I'm saying this is because some people, like you, prefer mack. That's perfectly fine. Some people such as myself like windows and are used to it, therefore use it. Now, I'm not saying anything bad about a mack- so why're you jabbing fingers at windows? for that matter, if mack does everything you say it does, why are you using windows in the first place if you don't like it? I hope I don't look like I'm flaming you but, that's just my oppinion, and also I kind of feel insulted when people call windows a trashbox, while not giving supporting evidence of such. While microsoft may have its drawbacks, I see nothing wrong with vista, just some things to get used to, and besides, people are complaining about it all the time, but I personally don't mind it. Now I know this is a pc audio list and will add that it could be your computer that's causing the crash. winamps never crashed on my system, although I once loaded a .ogg file which free download manager was downloading and it lagged my pc bad! (of course, this was on the acer with like 1.6 ghz, 256 mb ram) so I upgraded the thing with another 512 mb. So hey, Dane, if you don't mind e-mailing me off list, I'd like to see a mack in action and get the specs on the thing. Also would like to know if any screenreaders are available and how good they work. - Tyler visit my website! http://www.valiant.789mb.com note: Make sure you have your speakers turned on to get a cool-sounding intro! - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:45 AM Subject: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Ok folks, I tried out the latest (and greatest?) version of Winamp and I had a few problems running it on the trashbox (otherwise known as the Windows PC) smile For some reason (I don't know why) Winamp it seems, was responsible for the Trashbox crashing every few minutes. Naturally this behavior to anyone (particularly to a Mac user where crashes are few and far between) lol is totally unacceptable so back onto the machine went VLC media Player, it was listening to both that I make the following observations. Firstly, VLC does a far better job ad decoding media such as MP3 etc, you can hear the differences quite distinctly. Controls are similar to those presented in Winamp and in a lot of ways, VLC is easier to use
Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC
In the first place Macs come with their own access software as a part of the current OS. In the second place, the reason I'm not using one is that no place sells them within 40 miles and that's more of a trip than I want to make. In the third place, tech support people have made it a point to describe in detail how lousy Apple has been to work with in terms of driver development. That doesn't mean I wouldn't be happy to try a Mac, but I'm not going to go nuts over one. I don't go out of my way to call something Linsucks or cast equivalent aspersions on Apple, but the Winblows, Internet Exploder nonsense wastes everyone's time and bandwidth. I think it pretty obvious that if the MS world had that many problems, it wouldn't have survived and the same for Apple. Both companies have their problems. - Original Message - From: Timberwolf To: PC Audio Discussion List Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 5:43 PM Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Ok. Lets make a few things clear. 1. What in the world is your problem with windows. If you don't like it, don't use it, not to mention don't call it a trashbox, you don't see me sittin here calling your mack a trashbox. I haven't used a mack because I don't know if there are any screenreaders available and certainly I haven't heard of any. 2. Secondly because, imho anyway, apple's products are a bit overpriced and not to mention I wish other companies would support mack (if mack is so great, etc). I've got an acer aspire 3000+ here, hp pavillion dv5220, and just recently got an alienware, 2.3 ghz intel duel core processor, 2 gb ram, top of the line etc. Now, the reason I'm saying this is because some people, like you, prefer mack. That's perfectly fine. Some people such as myself like windows and are used to it, therefore use it. Now, I'm not saying anything bad about a mack- so why're you jabbing fingers at windows? for that matter, if mack does everything you say it does, why are you using windows in the first place if you don't like it? I hope I don't look like I'm flaming you but, that's just my oppinion, and also I kind of feel insulted when people call windows a trashbox, while not giving supporting evidence of such. While microsoft may have its drawbacks, I see nothing wrong with vista, just some things to get used to, and besides, people are complaining about it all the time, but I personally don't mind it. Now I know this is a pc audio list and will add that it could be your computer that's causing the crash. winamps never crashed on my system, although I once loaded a .ogg file which free download manager was downloading and it lagged my pc bad! (of course, this was on the acer with like 1.6 ghz, 256 mb ram) so I upgraded the thing with another 512 mb. So hey, Dane, if you don't mind e-mailing me off list, I'd like to see a mack in action and get the specs on the thing. Also would like to know if any screenreaders are available and how good they work. - Tyler visit my website! http://www.valiant.789mb.com note: Make sure you have your speakers turned on to get a cool-sounding intro! - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:45 AM Subject: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Ok folks, I tried out the latest (and greatest?) version of Winamp and I had a few problems running it on the trashbox (otherwise known as the Windows PC) smile For some reason (I don't know why) Winamp it seems, was responsible for the Trashbox crashing every few minutes. Naturally this behavior to anyone (particularly to a Mac user where crashes are few and far between) lol is totally unacceptable so back onto the machine went VLC media Player, it was listening to both that I make the following observations. Firstly, VLC does a far better job ad decoding media such as MP3 etc, you can hear the differences quite distinctly. Controls are similar to those presented in Winamp and in a lot of ways, VLC is easier to use with a screen reader, not as cluttered as Winamp seems to be. I've been using VLC on the Mac for ages but haven't had too much experience with it on the PC, the command set is slightly different but that's probably due mainly to differences in the keyboard layout between Mac and Trashbox Windows PC. For example, you go to previous and next tracks in VLC under the Mac using command-left and command-right arrow respectively, on the PC version you use P and N on the keyboard If anyone would like to give this excellent little media player a try then use your friend Google and look for vlc, you'll have no trouble finding it. Takes up a lot less space than Winamp does plus it will play just about
Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC
What were you recommending as a SF replacement? I've forgotten. Thanks. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Yes, I actually agree with you, I've found Winamp to be a consistent performer until version 5.5 for some reason. Of course (Windows being what it is) there may be some sort of conflict somewhere on my system which Winamp involves itself in. I just think quite frankly that Winamp is becoming one of those pieces of software providing features to try and suit everyone, in other words its becoming big and bloated, a bit like Sound Forge has become in many ways but again that's just my view. Yeah, VLC looks as though it was born and bred to run on a network doesn't it, perhaps you should try adjusting some of the many tweeks and preferences Chris if you're having trouble playing some streams, I haven't gone into this area thoroughly as yet, I haven't had the need to but (if my experience is anything to go by wiusing the Mac version of VLC) you'll be able to fix any problems which arise without too much trouble. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 4:35 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC I also have VLC Media player and it's a very interesting little program. It plays some file types better than others on my system and if you have your computers on a network it works great. Now, this Winamp issue...I've been using Windows in all its versions for 10 years, 95, 98 SE, XP and I'm sure at some point, i'll even give into Vista. But in all that time, I can say with absolute certainty that Winamp has never caused my computer to crash, in other words just running Winamp never made my computer crash. I would suspect that in Dane's case, there are other issues with the computer he is using to run Windows. It just saddens me that we have people trashing each other's choices of an operating system, we all need to remember that everyone's needs are different and while some prefer windows, others prefer Apple Macks. Let's quit all the mean little jabs here. You don't see me sitting there calling the apple mack a trashbox, so I would expect that people would respect my choice even though they may disagree with it. Come on now. At 10:16 AM 11/20/2007, you wrote: Really? Well VLC actually (let the truth be told) is Open source and is a cross platform media player. We have a publication in our newspaper The Age every Thursday and VLC has been getting rave reviews for the PC in it for quite some time, had I not needed to come back to Trashbox PC then I wouldn't have bothered investigating. Anyhow, for those who want to try something tha's nice and small and runs very nicely then have a look. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Gillard Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 2:53 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC If Winamp is a little to complicated for you I might suggest that you keep using your proprietary Mac crap! Thank you for contributing to my block senders list! - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:45 AM Subject: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Ok folks, I tried out the latest (and greatest?) version of Winamp and I had a few problems running it on the trashbox (otherwise known as the Windows PC) smile For some reason (I don't know why) Winamp it seems, was responsible for the Trashbox crashing every few minutes. Naturally this behavior to anyone (particularly to a Mac user where crashes are few and far between) lol is totally unacceptable so back onto the machine went VLC media Player, it was listening to both that I make the following observations. Firstly, VLC does a far better job ad decoding media such as MP3 etc, you can hear the differences quite distinctly. Controls are similar to those presented in Winamp and in a lot of ways, VLC is easier to use with a screen reader, not as cluttered as Winamp seems to be. I've been using VLC on the Mac for ages but haven't had too much experience with it on the PC, the command set is slightly different but that's probably due mainly to differences in the keyboard layout between Mac and Trashbox Windows PC. For example, you go to previous and next tracks in VLC under the Mac using command-left and command-right arrow respectively, on the PC version you use P and N on the keyboard If anyone would like to give this excellent little media player
RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC
Well I wasn't recommending VLC as a replacement, I was suggesting people give it a try and they may be surprised at its capabilities for such a small piece of software. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Petraccaro Sent: Thursday, 22 November 2007 9:25 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC What were you recommending as a SF replacement? I've forgotten. Thanks. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Yes, I actually agree with you, I've found Winamp to be a consistent performer until version 5.5 for some reason. Of course (Windows being what it is) there may be some sort of conflict somewhere on my system which Winamp involves itself in. I just think quite frankly that Winamp is becoming one of those pieces of software providing features to try and suit everyone, in other words its becoming big and bloated, a bit like Sound Forge has become in many ways but again that's just my view. Yeah, VLC looks as though it was born and bred to run on a network doesn't it, perhaps you should try adjusting some of the many tweeks and preferences Chris if you're having trouble playing some streams, I haven't gone into this area thoroughly as yet, I haven't had the need to but (if my experience is anything to go by wiusing the Mac version of VLC) you'll be able to fix any problems which arise without too much trouble. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 4:35 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC I also have VLC Media player and it's a very interesting little program. It plays some file types better than others on my system and if you have your computers on a network it works great. Now, this Winamp issue...I've been using Windows in all its versions for 10 years, 95, 98 SE, XP and I'm sure at some point, i'll even give into Vista. But in all that time, I can say with absolute certainty that Winamp has never caused my computer to crash, in other words just running Winamp never made my computer crash. I would suspect that in Dane's case, there are other issues with the computer he is using to run Windows. It just saddens me that we have people trashing each other's choices of an operating system, we all need to remember that everyone's needs are different and while some prefer windows, others prefer Apple Macks. Let's quit all the mean little jabs here. You don't see me sitting there calling the apple mack a trashbox, so I would expect that people would respect my choice even though they may disagree with it. Come on now. At 10:16 AM 11/20/2007, you wrote: Really? Well VLC actually (let the truth be told) is Open source and is a cross platform media player. We have a publication in our newspaper The Age every Thursday and VLC has been getting rave reviews for the PC in it for quite some time, had I not needed to come back to Trashbox PC then I wouldn't have bothered investigating. Anyhow, for those who want to try something tha's nice and small and runs very nicely then have a look. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Gillard Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 2:53 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC If Winamp is a little to complicated for you I might suggest that you keep using your proprietary Mac crap! Thank you for contributing to my block senders list! - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:45 AM Subject: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Ok folks, I tried out the latest (and greatest?) version of Winamp and I had a few problems running it on the trashbox (otherwise known as the Windows PC) smile For some reason (I don't know why) Winamp it seems, was responsible for the Trashbox crashing every few minutes. Naturally this behavior to anyone (particularly to a Mac user where crashes are few and far between) lol is totally unacceptable so back onto the machine went VLC media Player, it was listening to both that I make the following observations. Firstly, VLC does a far better job ad decoding media such as MP3 etc, you can hear the differences quite distinctly. Controls are similar to those presented in Winamp and in a lot of ways, VLC is easier to use with a screen reader, not as cluttered as Winamp seems to be. I've been using VLC on the Mac for ages but haven't had too much experience with it on the PC, the command
RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC
You say you aren't recommending VLC as a replacement. Why not? Could it be? thanks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 4:08 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Ok well if I may address your concerns as I believe I can certainly the first 2. Yes, Mac's come with their own accessible software, good that a major company is developing software and given the fact that VoiceOver has only been with us for a bit over 2 and a half years I reckon Apple (all-round) have done a fair job, yeah I'm disappointed myself because some areas have been lacking in advancement, web accessability for example but Apple do frequently update their software and they do listen so the longer people give Apple feedback as to what the problems are then the more chance we have of getting things done. To give you an example, Leopard was released on 26 October and an updated 10.5.1 was released towards the end of last week, first I knew of it was when both Mac's alerted me that updates were available. I too! Live in an area which is some way from an Apple store and it did present a small challenge to me, I had problems with the logic board of my Imac and I needed to get the machine back to the store, once there? The machine was fixed in 48 hours, then came the problem of getting the machine back. Solution to the problem? I've just purchased myself a 2-year on-site warrantee for $255.00 (Australian) and that to me is good valume-for-money as I get service 24-7 and the machine is dealt with with 48 hours. Now for our U.S. customers? Well I can tell you this, you're entitled to far better service than Australian customers get if they get their Apple from a franchise store as I did. Firstly, I believe that if you order online or through Apple's toll-free number then you automatically qualify for some sort of on-site warrantee and you get the machine delivered free of charge, I cannot confirm this exactly but I'm sure that Apple users on this list can. Apple difficult to deal with when it comes to drivers? Well it depends on how you look at that but firstly (and this is only my experience), there are a lot of myths and jealousy's that come with Apple because Apple (unlike Microsoft ) exhibit tight control over what drivers and what parts even make up an Apple computer. One of the results of this approach is of course the stable OS which is Mac OS 10.5 Leopard, the well eingineered and well-designed product line which is the Apple Mac etc. TO illustrate the point further still, we all know that Windows machines do have conflicting drivers from time-to-time, this problem is virtually illiminated with Apple machines because the Apple engineers test and give the go ahead to drivers before they make the public eye.. If you think this a good thing (as I do for the reasons I've outlined above) then fine but I for one wish that Microsoft would put more controls over drivers and what's out there, if that were the case then Windows would be a better product all round than it is now. As I write this message, I've done a it of digging, yes, Microsoft will test drivers but for an outragious fee, I think we're talking a couple of thousand dollars so its no wonder that software developers (those who can't aford it) are just writing drivers and hoping for the best. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Petraccaro Sent: Thursday, 22 November 2007 9:41 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC In the first place Macs come with their own access software as a part of the current OS. In the second place, the reason I'm not using one is that no place sells them within 40 miles and that's more of a trip than I want to make. In the third place, tech support people have made it a point to describe in detail how lousy Apple has been to work with in terms of driver development. That doesn't mean I wouldn't be happy to try a Mac, but I'm not going to go nuts over one. I don't go out of my way to call something Linsucks or cast equivalent aspersions on Apple, but the Winblows, Internet Exploder nonsense wastes everyone's time and bandwidth. I think it pretty obvious that if the MS world had that many problems, it wouldn't have survived and the same for Apple. Both companies have their problems. - Original Message - From: Timberwolf To: PC Audio Discussion List Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 5:43 PM Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Ok. Lets make a few things clear. 1. What in the world is your problem with windows. If you don't like it, don't use it, not to mention don't call it a trashbox, you don't see me sittin here calling your mack a trashbox. I haven't used a mack because I don't know if there are any screenreaders available and certainly I haven't heard of any. 2. Secondly
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I'd be happy to test drive it if I could figure out how to get it to output through my secondary sound card (the good one). (No sense test driving it through my el cheapo desktop speakers.) But, just for a test drive, I'm not going to plough through the documentation, to figure out how to do that, when I'm perfectly happy with Winamp 5.35. Blessed Be, Dana that's Dana, D A N A, NOT Donna, D O N N A If your synthesizer pronounces them identically, instruct your customized pronunciation dictionary that Dana=dayna. D. S. Leslie, née C. R. Guttman Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: dsleslie Web: ÞE OL' PHILOSOPHIE SHOPPE Your Source for Discounted Ideas http://members.cox.net/dsleslie2/ - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 6:53 PM Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Well I wasn't recommending VLC as a replacement, I was suggesting people give it a try and they may be surprised at its capabilities for such a small piece of software. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Petraccaro Sent: Thursday, 22 November 2007 9:25 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC What were you recommending as a SF replacement? I've forgotten. Thanks. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Yes, I actually agree with you, I've found Winamp to be a consistent performer until version 5.5 for some reason. Of course (Windows being what it is) there may be some sort of conflict somewhere on my system which Winamp involves itself in. I just think quite frankly that Winamp is becoming one of those pieces of software providing features to try and suit everyone, in other words its becoming big and bloated, a bit like Sound Forge has become in many ways but again that's just my view. Yeah, VLC looks as though it was born and bred to run on a network doesn't it, perhaps you should try adjusting some of the many tweeks and preferences Chris if you're having trouble playing some streams, I haven't gone into this area thoroughly as yet, I haven't had the need to but (if my experience is anything to go by wiusing the Mac version of VLC) you'll be able to fix any problems which arise without too much trouble. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 4:35 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC I also have VLC Media player and it's a very interesting little program. It plays some file types better than others on my system and if you have your computers on a network it works great. Now, this Winamp issue...I've been using Windows in all its versions for 10 years, 95, 98 SE, XP and I'm sure at some point, i'll even give into Vista. But in all that time, I can say with absolute certainty that Winamp has never caused my computer to crash, in other words just running Winamp never made my computer crash. I would suspect that in Dane's case, there are other issues with the computer he is using to run Windows. It just saddens me that we have people trashing each other's choices of an operating system, we all need to remember that everyone's needs are different and while some prefer windows, others prefer Apple Macks. Let's quit all the mean little jabs here. You don't see me sitting there calling the apple mack a trashbox, so I would expect that people would respect my choice even though they may disagree with it. Come on now. At 10:16 AM 11/20/2007, you wrote: Really? Well VLC actually (let the truth be told) is Open source and is a cross platform media player. We have a publication in our newspaper The Age every Thursday and VLC has been getting rave reviews for the PC in it for quite some time, had I not needed to come back to Trashbox PC then I wouldn't have bothered investigating. Anyhow, for those who want to try something tha's nice and small and runs very nicely then have a look. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Gillard Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 2:53 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC If Winamp is a little to complicated for you I might suggest that you keep using your proprietary Mac crap! Thank you for contributing to my block senders list! - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:45 AM Subject: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Ok folks, I
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Yep I don't blame you for that, well as soon as I find out then I'll let you know, that part of VLC is far different to that on the Mac version. On 22/11/2007, at 2:52 PM, Dana S. Leslie wrote: I'd be happy to test drive it if I could figure out how to get it to output through my secondary sound card (the good one). (No sense test driving it through my el cheapo desktop speakers.) But, just for a test drive, I'm not going to plough through the documentation, to figure out how to do that, when I'm perfectly happy with Winamp 5.35. Blessed Be, Dana that's Dana, D A N A, NOT Donna, D O N N A If your synthesizer pronounces them identically, instruct your customized pronunciation dictionary that Dana=dayna. D. S. Leslie, née C. R. Guttman Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: dsleslie Web: ÞE OL' PHILOSOPHIE SHOPPE Your Source for Discounted Ideas http://members.cox.net/dsleslie2/ - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 6:53 PM Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Well I wasn't recommending VLC as a replacement, I was suggesting people give it a try and they may be surprised at its capabilities for such a small piece of software. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] audio.org] On Behalf Of Gary Petraccaro Sent: Thursday, 22 November 2007 9:25 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC What were you recommending as a SF replacement? I've forgotten. Thanks. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Yes, I actually agree with you, I've found Winamp to be a consistent performer until version 5.5 for some reason. Of course (Windows being what it is) there may be some sort of conflict somewhere on my system which Winamp involves itself in. I just think quite frankly that Winamp is becoming one of those pieces of software providing features to try and suit everyone, in other words its becoming big and bloated, a bit like Sound Forge has become in many ways but again that's just my view. Yeah, VLC looks as though it was born and bred to run on a network doesn't it, perhaps you should try adjusting some of the many tweeks and preferences Chris if you're having trouble playing some streams, I haven't gone into this area thoroughly as yet, I haven't had the need to but (if my experience is anything to go by wiusing the Mac version of VLC) you'll be able to fix any problems which arise without too much trouble. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 4:35 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC I also have VLC Media player and it's a very interesting little program. It plays some file types better than others on my system and if you have your computers on a network it works great. Now, this Winamp issue...I've been using Windows in all its versions for 10 years, 95, 98 SE, XP and I'm sure at some point, i'll even give into Vista. But in all that time, I can say with absolute certainty that Winamp has never caused my computer to crash, in other words just running Winamp never made my computer crash. I would suspect that in Dane's case, there are other issues with the computer he is using to run Windows. It just saddens me that we have people trashing each other's choices of an operating system, we all need to remember that everyone's needs are different and while some prefer windows, others prefer Apple Macks. Let's quit all the mean little jabs here. You don't see me sitting there calling the apple mack a trashbox, so I would expect that people would respect my choice even though they may disagree with it. Come on now. At 10:16 AM 11/20/2007, you wrote: Really? Well VLC actually (let the truth be told) is Open source and is a cross platform media player. We have a publication in our newspaper The Age every Thursday and VLC has been getting rave reviews for the PC in it for quite some time, had I not needed to come back to Trashbox PC then I wouldn't have bothered investigating. Anyhow, for those who want to try something tha's nice and small and runs very nicely then have a look. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Gillard Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 2:53 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC If Winamp is a little to complicated for you I might suggest that you keep using your proprietary Mac crap! Thank you for contributing to my block
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It seems like I got a toolbar with this latest version of Winamp that I had to uninstall. It seemed to mess some things up for me. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Yes, I actually agree with you, I've found Winamp to be a consistent performer until version 5.5 for some reason. Of course (Windows being what it is) there may be some sort of conflict somewhere on my system which Winamp involves itself in. I just think quite frankly that Winamp is becoming one of those pieces of software providing features to try and suit everyone, in other words its becoming big and bloated, a bit like Sound Forge has become in many ways but again that's just my view. Yeah, VLC looks as though it was born and bred to run on a network doesn't it, perhaps you should try adjusting some of the many tweeks and preferences Chris if you're having trouble playing some streams, I haven't gone into this area thoroughly as yet, I haven't had the need to but (if my experience is anything to go by wiusing the Mac version of VLC) you'll be able to fix any problems which arise without too much trouble. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 4:35 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC I also have VLC Media player and it's a very interesting little program. It plays some file types better than others on my system and if you have your computers on a network it works great. Now, this Winamp issue...I've been using Windows in all its versions for 10 years, 95, 98 SE, XP and I'm sure at some point, i'll even give into Vista. But in all that time, I can say with absolute certainty that Winamp has never caused my computer to crash, in other words just running Winamp never made my computer crash. I would suspect that in Dane's case, there are other issues with the computer he is using to run Windows. It just saddens me that we have people trashing each other's choices of an operating system, we all need to remember that everyone's needs are different and while some prefer windows, others prefer Apple Macks. Let's quit all the mean little jabs here. You don't see me sitting there calling the apple mack a trashbox, so I would expect that people would respect my choice even though they may disagree with it. Come on now. At 10:16 AM 11/20/2007, you wrote: Really? Well VLC actually (let the truth be told) is Open source and is a cross platform media player. We have a publication in our newspaper The Age every Thursday and VLC has been getting rave reviews for the PC in it for quite some time, had I not needed to come back to Trashbox PC then I wouldn't have bothered investigating. Anyhow, for those who want to try something tha's nice and small and runs very nicely then have a look. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Gillard Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 2:53 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC If Winamp is a little to complicated for you I might suggest that you keep using your proprietary Mac crap! Thank you for contributing to my block senders list! - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:45 AM Subject: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Ok folks, I tried out the latest (and greatest?) version of Winamp and I had a few problems running it on the trashbox (otherwise known as the Windows PC) smile For some reason (I don't know why) Winamp it seems, was responsible for the Trashbox crashing every few minutes. Naturally this behavior to anyone (particularly to a Mac user where crashes are few and far between) lol is totally unacceptable so back onto the machine went VLC media Player, it was listening to both that I make the following observations. Firstly, VLC does a far better job ad decoding media such as MP3 etc, you can hear the differences quite distinctly. Controls are similar to those presented in Winamp and in a lot of ways, VLC is easier to use with a screen reader, not as cluttered as Winamp seems to be. I've been using VLC on the Mac for ages but haven't had too much experience with it on the PC, the command set is slightly different but that's probably due mainly to differences in the keyboard layout between Mac and Trashbox Windows PC. For example, you go to previous and next tracks in VLC under the Mac using command-left and command-right arrow respectively, on the PC version you use P and N on the keyboard If anyone would like to give this excellent little media player a try then use your friend Google and look for vlc, you'll have no trouble
RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC
They do try to slam you with a tool bar but I can't remember which one. It seems to be the latest fad in the land of media players. Real 11 just tried to get me to take fire Fox and the Google tool bar. they even set fire Fox as the default browser and I didn't know for a while even after I'd uninstalled it. You'd have thought the configuration would have reverted to I.E. when I removed fire fox, but know, smile. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Wood Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 11:11 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC It seems like I got a toolbar with this latest version of Winamp that I had to uninstall. It seemed to mess some things up for me. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Yes, I actually agree with you, I've found Winamp to be a consistent performer until version 5.5 for some reason. Of course (Windows being what it is) there may be some sort of conflict somewhere on my system which Winamp involves itself in. I just think quite frankly that Winamp is becoming one of those pieces of software providing features to try and suit everyone, in other words its becoming big and bloated, a bit like Sound Forge has become in many ways but again that's just my view. Yeah, VLC looks as though it was born and bred to run on a network doesn't it, perhaps you should try adjusting some of the many tweeks and preferences Chris if you're having trouble playing some streams, I haven't gone into this area thoroughly as yet, I haven't had the need to but (if my experience is anything to go by wiusing the Mac version of VLC) you'll be able to fix any problems which arise without too much trouble. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 4:35 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC I also have VLC Media player and it's a very interesting little program. It plays some file types better than others on my system and if you have your computers on a network it works great. Now, this Winamp issue...I've been using Windows in all its versions for 10 years, 95, 98 SE, XP and I'm sure at some point, i'll even give into Vista. But in all that time, I can say with absolute certainty that Winamp has never caused my computer to crash, in other words just running Winamp never made my computer crash. I would suspect that in Dane's case, there are other issues with the computer he is using to run Windows. It just saddens me that we have people trashing each other's choices of an operating system, we all need to remember that everyone's needs are different and while some prefer windows, others prefer Apple Macks. Let's quit all the mean little jabs here. You don't see me sitting there calling the apple mack a trashbox, so I would expect that people would respect my choice even though they may disagree with it. Come on now. At 10:16 AM 11/20/2007, you wrote: Really? Well VLC actually (let the truth be told) is Open source and is a cross platform media player. We have a publication in our newspaper The Age every Thursday and VLC has been getting rave reviews for the PC in it for quite some time, had I not needed to come back to Trashbox PC then I wouldn't have bothered investigating. Anyhow, for those who want to try something tha's nice and small and runs very nicely then have a look. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Gillard Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 2:53 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC If Winamp is a little to complicated for you I might suggest that you keep using your proprietary Mac crap! Thank you for contributing to my block senders list! - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:45 AM Subject: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Ok folks, I tried out the latest (and greatest?) version of Winamp and I had a few problems running it on the trashbox (otherwise known as the Windows PC) smile For some reason (I don't know why) Winamp it seems, was responsible for the Trashbox crashing every few minutes. Naturally this behavior to anyone (particularly to a Mac user where crashes are few and far between) lol is totally unacceptable so back onto the machine went VLC media Player, it was listening to both that I make the following observations. Firstly, VLC does a far better job ad decoding media such as MP3 etc, you can hear the differences quite distinctly. Controls are similar to those presented
Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC
If Winamp is a little to complicated for you I might suggest that you keep using your proprietary Mac crap! Thank you for contributing to my block senders list! - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:45 AM Subject: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Ok folks, I tried out the latest (and greatest?) version of Winamp and I had a few problems running it on the trashbox (otherwise known as the Windows PC) smile For some reason (I don't know why) Winamp it seems, was responsible for the Trashbox crashing every few minutes. Naturally this behavior to anyone (particularly to a Mac user where crashes are few and far between) lol is totally unacceptable so back onto the machine went VLC media Player, it was listening to both that I make the following observations. Firstly, VLC does a far better job ad decoding media such as MP3 etc, you can hear the differences quite distinctly. Controls are similar to those presented in Winamp and in a lot of ways, VLC is easier to use with a screen reader, not as cluttered as Winamp seems to be. I've been using VLC on the Mac for ages but haven't had too much experience with it on the PC, the command set is slightly different but that's probably due mainly to differences in the keyboard layout between Mac and Trashbox Windows PC. For example, you go to previous and next tracks in VLC under the Mac using command-left and command-right arrow respectively, on the PC version you use P and N on the keyboard If anyone would like to give this excellent little media player a try then use your friend Google and look for vlc, you'll have no trouble finding it. Takes up a lot less space than Winamp does plus it will play just about everything you can throw at it, including Cue and Wave/FLAC pairs. Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC
Really? Well VLC actually (let the truth be told) is Open source and is a cross platform media player. We have a publication in our newspaper The Age every Thursday and VLC has been getting rave reviews for the PC in it for quite some time, had I not needed to come back to Trashbox PC then I wouldn't have bothered investigating. Anyhow, for those who want to try something tha's nice and small and runs very nicely then have a look. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Gillard Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 2:53 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC If Winamp is a little to complicated for you I might suggest that you keep using your proprietary Mac crap! Thank you for contributing to my block senders list! - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:45 AM Subject: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Ok folks, I tried out the latest (and greatest?) version of Winamp and I had a few problems running it on the trashbox (otherwise known as the Windows PC) smile For some reason (I don't know why) Winamp it seems, was responsible for the Trashbox crashing every few minutes. Naturally this behavior to anyone (particularly to a Mac user where crashes are few and far between) lol is totally unacceptable so back onto the machine went VLC media Player, it was listening to both that I make the following observations. Firstly, VLC does a far better job ad decoding media such as MP3 etc, you can hear the differences quite distinctly. Controls are similar to those presented in Winamp and in a lot of ways, VLC is easier to use with a screen reader, not as cluttered as Winamp seems to be. I've been using VLC on the Mac for ages but haven't had too much experience with it on the PC, the command set is slightly different but that's probably due mainly to differences in the keyboard layout between Mac and Trashbox Windows PC. For example, you go to previous and next tracks in VLC under the Mac using command-left and command-right arrow respectively, on the PC version you use P and N on the keyboard If anyone would like to give this excellent little media player a try then use your friend Google and look for vlc, you'll have no trouble finding it. Takes up a lot less space than Winamp does plus it will play just about everything you can throw at it, including Cue and Wave/FLAC pairs. Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC
Yep certainly! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DJ DOCTOR P Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 4:02 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC High Dane, Can VLC play .ram files? John. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:45 AM Subject: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Ok folks, I tried out the latest (and greatest?) version of Winamp and I had a few problems running it on the trashbox (otherwise known as the Windows PC) smile For some reason (I don't know why) Winamp it seems, was responsible for the Trashbox crashing every few minutes. Naturally this behavior to anyone (particularly to a Mac user where crashes are few and far between) lol is totally unacceptable so back onto the machine went VLC media Player, it was listening to both that I make the following observations. Firstly, VLC does a far better job ad decoding media such as MP3 etc, you can hear the differences quite distinctly. Controls are similar to those presented in Winamp and in a lot of ways, VLC is easier to use with a screen reader, not as cluttered as Winamp seems to be. I've been using VLC on the Mac for ages but haven't had too much experience with it on the PC, the command set is slightly different but that's probably due mainly to differences in the keyboard layout between Mac and Trashbox Windows PC. For example, you go to previous and next tracks in VLC under the Mac using command-left and command-right arrow respectively, on the PC version you use P and N on the keyboard If anyone would like to give this excellent little media player a try then use your friend Google and look for vlc, you'll have no trouble finding it. Takes up a lot less space than Winamp does plus it will play just about everything you can throw at it, including Cue and Wave/FLAC pairs. Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.1/1141 - Release Date: 11/20/2007 11:34 AM Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC
Shouldn't be a problem, let me know how you get on. Of course, you could always use Real Alternative to play Real Audio files if you're not comfortable with VLC. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DJ DOCTOR P Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 4:15 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC High Dane, Ok, I will look for it some time today and try it out. I tried to play a .ram file in Winamp 5.35, but it wouldn't play. So this may work without me having to download a Real Player. John. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:04 PM Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Yep certainly! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DJ DOCTOR P Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 4:02 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC High Dane, Can VLC play .ram files? John. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:45 AM Subject: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Ok folks, I tried out the latest (and greatest?) version of Winamp and I had a few problems running it on the trashbox (otherwise known as the Windows PC) smile For some reason (I don't know why) Winamp it seems, was responsible for the Trashbox crashing every few minutes. Naturally this behavior to anyone (particularly to a Mac user where crashes are few and far between) lol is totally unacceptable so back onto the machine went VLC media Player, it was listening to both that I make the following observations. Firstly, VLC does a far better job ad decoding media such as MP3 etc, you can hear the differences quite distinctly. Controls are similar to those presented in Winamp and in a lot of ways, VLC is easier to use with a screen reader, not as cluttered as Winamp seems to be. I've been using VLC on the Mac for ages but haven't had too much experience with it on the PC, the command set is slightly different but that's probably due mainly to differences in the keyboard layout between Mac and Trashbox Windows PC. For example, you go to previous and next tracks in VLC under the Mac using command-left and command-right arrow respectively, on the PC version you use P and N on the keyboard If anyone would like to give this excellent little media player a try then use your friend Google and look for vlc, you'll have no trouble finding it. Takes up a lot less space than Winamp does plus it will play just about everything you can throw at it, including Cue and Wave/FLAC pairs. Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.1/1141 - Release Date: 11/20/2007 11:34 AM Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.1/1141 - Release Date: 11/20/2007 11:34 AM Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC
High Dane, Ok, I will look for it some time today and try it out. I tried to play a .ram file in Winamp 5.35, but it wouldn't play. So this may work without me having to download a Real Player. John. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:04 PM Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Yep certainly! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DJ DOCTOR P Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 4:02 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC High Dane, Can VLC play .ram files? John. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:45 AM Subject: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Ok folks, I tried out the latest (and greatest?) version of Winamp and I had a few problems running it on the trashbox (otherwise known as the Windows PC) smile For some reason (I don't know why) Winamp it seems, was responsible for the Trashbox crashing every few minutes. Naturally this behavior to anyone (particularly to a Mac user where crashes are few and far between) lol is totally unacceptable so back onto the machine went VLC media Player, it was listening to both that I make the following observations. Firstly, VLC does a far better job ad decoding media such as MP3 etc, you can hear the differences quite distinctly. Controls are similar to those presented in Winamp and in a lot of ways, VLC is easier to use with a screen reader, not as cluttered as Winamp seems to be. I've been using VLC on the Mac for ages but haven't had too much experience with it on the PC, the command set is slightly different but that's probably due mainly to differences in the keyboard layout between Mac and Trashbox Windows PC. For example, you go to previous and next tracks in VLC under the Mac using command-left and command-right arrow respectively, on the PC version you use P and N on the keyboard If anyone would like to give this excellent little media player a try then use your friend Google and look for vlc, you'll have no trouble finding it. Takes up a lot less space than Winamp does plus it will play just about everything you can throw at it, including Cue and Wave/FLAC pairs. Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.1/1141 - Release Date: 11/20/2007 11:34 AM Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.1/1141 - Release Date: 11/20/2007 11:34 AM Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC
Yes, I actually agree with you, I've found Winamp to be a consistent performer until version 5.5 for some reason. Of course (Windows being what it is) there may be some sort of conflict somewhere on my system which Winamp involves itself in. I just think quite frankly that Winamp is becoming one of those pieces of software providing features to try and suit everyone, in other words its becoming big and bloated, a bit like Sound Forge has become in many ways but again that's just my view. Yeah, VLC looks as though it was born and bred to run on a network doesn't it, perhaps you should try adjusting some of the many tweeks and preferences Chris if you're having trouble playing some streams, I haven't gone into this area thoroughly as yet, I haven't had the need to but (if my experience is anything to go by wiusing the Mac version of VLC) you'll be able to fix any problems which arise without too much trouble. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 4:35 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC I also have VLC Media player and it's a very interesting little program. It plays some file types better than others on my system and if you have your computers on a network it works great. Now, this Winamp issue...I've been using Windows in all its versions for 10 years, 95, 98 SE, XP and I'm sure at some point, i'll even give into Vista. But in all that time, I can say with absolute certainty that Winamp has never caused my computer to crash, in other words just running Winamp never made my computer crash. I would suspect that in Dane's case, there are other issues with the computer he is using to run Windows. It just saddens me that we have people trashing each other's choices of an operating system, we all need to remember that everyone's needs are different and while some prefer windows, others prefer Apple Macks. Let's quit all the mean little jabs here. You don't see me sitting there calling the apple mack a trashbox, so I would expect that people would respect my choice even though they may disagree with it. Come on now. At 10:16 AM 11/20/2007, you wrote: Really? Well VLC actually (let the truth be told) is Open source and is a cross platform media player. We have a publication in our newspaper The Age every Thursday and VLC has been getting rave reviews for the PC in it for quite some time, had I not needed to come back to Trashbox PC then I wouldn't have bothered investigating. Anyhow, for those who want to try something tha's nice and small and runs very nicely then have a look. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Gillard Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 2:53 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC If Winamp is a little to complicated for you I might suggest that you keep using your proprietary Mac crap! Thank you for contributing to my block senders list! - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:45 AM Subject: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Ok folks, I tried out the latest (and greatest?) version of Winamp and I had a few problems running it on the trashbox (otherwise known as the Windows PC) smile For some reason (I don't know why) Winamp it seems, was responsible for the Trashbox crashing every few minutes. Naturally this behavior to anyone (particularly to a Mac user where crashes are few and far between) lol is totally unacceptable so back onto the machine went VLC media Player, it was listening to both that I make the following observations. Firstly, VLC does a far better job ad decoding media such as MP3 etc, you can hear the differences quite distinctly. Controls are similar to those presented in Winamp and in a lot of ways, VLC is easier to use with a screen reader, not as cluttered as Winamp seems to be. I've been using VLC on the Mac for ages but haven't had too much experience with it on the PC, the command set is slightly different but that's probably due mainly to differences in the keyboard layout between Mac and Trashbox Windows PC. For example, you go to previous and next tracks in VLC under the Mac using command-left and command-right arrow respectively, on the PC version you use P and N on the keyboard If anyone would like to give this excellent little media player a try then use your friend Google and look for vlc, you'll have no trouble finding it. Takes up a lot less space than Winamp does plus it will play just about everything you can throw at it, including Cue and Wave/FLAC pairs. Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc
RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC
I also have VLC Media player and it's a very interesting little program. It plays some file types better than others on my system and if you have your computers on a network it works great. Now, this Winamp issue...I've been using Windows in all its versions for 10 years, 95, 98 SE, XP and I'm sure at some point, i'll even give into Vista. But in all that time, I can say with absolute certainty that Winamp has never caused my computer to crash, in other words just running Winamp never made my computer crash. I would suspect that in Dane's case, there are other issues with the computer he is using to run Windows. It just saddens me that we have people trashing each other's choices of an operating system, we all need to remember that everyone's needs are different and while some prefer windows, others prefer Apple Macks. Let's quit all the mean little jabs here. You don't see me sitting there calling the apple mack a trashbox, so I would expect that people would respect my choice even though they may disagree with it. Come on now. At 10:16 AM 11/20/2007, you wrote: Really? Well VLC actually (let the truth be told) is Open source and is a cross platform media player. We have a publication in our newspaper The Age every Thursday and VLC has been getting rave reviews for the PC in it for quite some time, had I not needed to come back to Trashbox PC then I wouldn't have bothered investigating. Anyhow, for those who want to try something tha's nice and small and runs very nicely then have a look. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Gillard Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 2:53 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC If Winamp is a little to complicated for you I might suggest that you keep using your proprietary Mac crap! Thank you for contributing to my block senders list! - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:45 AM Subject: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Ok folks, I tried out the latest (and greatest?) version of Winamp and I had a few problems running it on the trashbox (otherwise known as the Windows PC) smile For some reason (I don't know why) Winamp it seems, was responsible for the Trashbox crashing every few minutes. Naturally this behavior to anyone (particularly to a Mac user where crashes are few and far between) lol is totally unacceptable so back onto the machine went VLC media Player, it was listening to both that I make the following observations. Firstly, VLC does a far better job ad decoding media such as MP3 etc, you can hear the differences quite distinctly. Controls are similar to those presented in Winamp and in a lot of ways, VLC is easier to use with a screen reader, not as cluttered as Winamp seems to be. I've been using VLC on the Mac for ages but haven't had too much experience with it on the PC, the command set is slightly different but that's probably due mainly to differences in the keyboard layout between Mac and Trashbox Windows PC. For example, you go to previous and next tracks in VLC under the Mac using command-left and command-right arrow respectively, on the PC version you use P and N on the keyboard If anyone would like to give this excellent little media player a try then use your friend Google and look for vlc, you'll have no trouble finding it. Takes up a lot less space than Winamp does plus it will play just about everything you can throw at it, including Cue and Wave/FLAC pairs. Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ NOD32 2672 (20071120) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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High Chris, I'm with you on this one. PC's and MACS have their proper places. Each one has its own drawbacks. There are some things that you can and cannot do with a PC just like there are some things that you can and cannot do with a MAC. Even though I'm not really sure about how I fill about Vista, if that's what someone else likes, then who are we to judge them? That's just like judging someone elses taste in music. Some people like rock and role while others like country. Just because some like rock and role and the others that like country, shouldn't judge the ones that like rock and role harshly because they don't like rock and role. When God created us, he gave us all the freedom to choose. And we all need to respect that. John - Original Message - From: Chris Skarstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:35 PM Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC I also have VLC Media player and it's a very interesting little program. It plays some file types better than others on my system and if you have your computers on a network it works great. Now, this Winamp issue...I've been using Windows in all its versions for 10 years, 95, 98 SE, XP and I'm sure at some point, i'll even give into Vista. But in all that time, I can say with absolute certainty that Winamp has never caused my computer to crash, in other words just running Winamp never made my computer crash. I would suspect that in Dane's case, there are other issues with the computer he is using to run Windows. It just saddens me that we have people trashing each other's choices of an operating system, we all need to remember that everyone's needs are different and while some prefer windows, others prefer Apple Macks. Let's quit all the mean little jabs here. You don't see me sitting there calling the apple mack a trashbox, so I would expect that people would respect my choice even though they may disagree with it. Come on now. At 10:16 AM 11/20/2007, you wrote: Really? Well VLC actually (let the truth be told) is Open source and is a cross platform media player. We have a publication in our newspaper The Age every Thursday and VLC has been getting rave reviews for the PC in it for quite some time, had I not needed to come back to Trashbox PC then I wouldn't have bothered investigating. Anyhow, for those who want to try something tha's nice and small and runs very nicely then have a look. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Gillard Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 2:53 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC If Winamp is a little to complicated for you I might suggest that you keep using your proprietary Mac crap! Thank you for contributing to my block senders list! - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:45 AM Subject: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Ok folks, I tried out the latest (and greatest?) version of Winamp and I had a few problems running it on the trashbox (otherwise known as the Windows PC) smile For some reason (I don't know why) Winamp it seems, was responsible for the Trashbox crashing every few minutes. Naturally this behavior to anyone (particularly to a Mac user where crashes are few and far between) lol is totally unacceptable so back onto the machine went VLC media Player, it was listening to both that I make the following observations. Firstly, VLC does a far better job ad decoding media such as MP3 etc, you can hear the differences quite distinctly. Controls are similar to those presented in Winamp and in a lot of ways, VLC is easier to use with a screen reader, not as cluttered as Winamp seems to be. I've been using VLC on the Mac for ages but haven't had too much experience with it on the PC, the command set is slightly different but that's probably due mainly to differences in the keyboard layout between Mac and Trashbox Windows PC. For example, you go to previous and next tracks in VLC under the Mac using command-left and command-right arrow respectively, on the PC version you use P and N on the keyboard If anyone would like to give this excellent little media player a try then use your friend Google and look for vlc, you'll have no trouble finding it. Takes up a lot less space than Winamp does plus it will play just about everything you can throw at it, including Cue and Wave/FLAC pairs. Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from
Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC
O yeah a friend of mine on xp was raving about this player as well. I can't broadcast with it though and that's a shame otherwise I'd switch. SA*G - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:16 AM Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Really? Well VLC actually (let the truth be told) is Open source and is a cross platform media player. We have a publication in our newspaper The Age every Thursday and VLC has been getting rave reviews for the PC in it for quite some time, had I not needed to come back to Trashbox PC then I wouldn't have bothered investigating. Anyhow, for those who want to try something tha's nice and small and runs very nicely then have a look. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Gillard Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 2:53 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC If Winamp is a little to complicated for you I might suggest that you keep using your proprietary Mac crap! Thank you for contributing to my block senders list! - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:45 AM Subject: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Ok folks, I tried out the latest (and greatest?) version of Winamp and I had a few problems running it on the trashbox (otherwise known as the Windows PC) smile For some reason (I don't know why) Winamp it seems, was responsible for the Trashbox crashing every few minutes. Naturally this behavior to anyone (particularly to a Mac user where crashes are few and far between) lol is totally unacceptable so back onto the machine went VLC media Player, it was listening to both that I make the following observations. Firstly, VLC does a far better job ad decoding media such as MP3 etc, you can hear the differences quite distinctly. Controls are similar to those presented in Winamp and in a lot of ways, VLC is easier to use with a screen reader, not as cluttered as Winamp seems to be. I've been using VLC on the Mac for ages but haven't had too much experience with it on the PC, the command set is slightly different but that's probably due mainly to differences in the keyboard layout between Mac and Trashbox Windows PC. For example, you go to previous and next tracks in VLC under the Mac using command-left and command-right arrow respectively, on the PC version you use P and N on the keyboard If anyone would like to give this excellent little media player a try then use your friend Google and look for vlc, you'll have no trouble finding it. Takes up a lot less space than Winamp does plus it will play just about everything you can throw at it, including Cue and Wave/FLAC pairs. Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 04:04:07 +1100, you wrote: Yep certainly! How is this possible? Only RealPlayer can play RealAudio content. Or does it just call RealPlayer when you feed it a .RAM file? Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Acutally there is a problem with 5.5 and some mp3s. Check the archives if there are any of the winamp for the blind list. We are actualy discussing this issue now. SAG - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:46 AM Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Yes, I actually agree with you, I've found Winamp to be a consistent performer until version 5.5 for some reason. Of course (Windows being what it is) there may be some sort of conflict somewhere on my system which Winamp involves itself in. I just think quite frankly that Winamp is becoming one of those pieces of software providing features to try and suit everyone, in other words its becoming big and bloated, a bit like Sound Forge has become in many ways but again that's just my view. Yeah, VLC looks as though it was born and bred to run on a network doesn't it, perhaps you should try adjusting some of the many tweeks and preferences Chris if you're having trouble playing some streams, I haven't gone into this area thoroughly as yet, I haven't had the need to but (if my experience is anything to go by wiusing the Mac version of VLC) you'll be able to fix any problems which arise without too much trouble. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 4:35 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC I also have VLC Media player and it's a very interesting little program. It plays some file types better than others on my system and if you have your computers on a network it works great. Now, this Winamp issue...I've been using Windows in all its versions for 10 years, 95, 98 SE, XP and I'm sure at some point, i'll even give into Vista. But in all that time, I can say with absolute certainty that Winamp has never caused my computer to crash, in other words just running Winamp never made my computer crash. I would suspect that in Dane's case, there are other issues with the computer he is using to run Windows. It just saddens me that we have people trashing each other's choices of an operating system, we all need to remember that everyone's needs are different and while some prefer windows, others prefer Apple Macks. Let's quit all the mean little jabs here. You don't see me sitting there calling the apple mack a trashbox, so I would expect that people would respect my choice even though they may disagree with it. Come on now. At 10:16 AM 11/20/2007, you wrote: Really? Well VLC actually (let the truth be told) is Open source and is a cross platform media player. We have a publication in our newspaper The Age every Thursday and VLC has been getting rave reviews for the PC in it for quite some time, had I not needed to come back to Trashbox PC then I wouldn't have bothered investigating. Anyhow, for those who want to try something tha's nice and small and runs very nicely then have a look. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Gillard Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 2:53 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC If Winamp is a little to complicated for you I might suggest that you keep using your proprietary Mac crap! Thank you for contributing to my block senders list! - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:45 AM Subject: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Ok folks, I tried out the latest (and greatest?) version of Winamp and I had a few problems running it on the trashbox (otherwise known as the Windows PC) smile For some reason (I don't know why) Winamp it seems, was responsible for the Trashbox crashing every few minutes. Naturally this behavior to anyone (particularly to a Mac user where crashes are few and far between) lol is totally unacceptable so back onto the machine went VLC media Player, it was listening to both that I make the following observations. Firstly, VLC does a far better job ad decoding media such as MP3 etc, you can hear the differences quite distinctly. Controls are similar to those presented in Winamp and in a lot of ways, VLC is easier to use with a screen reader, not as cluttered as Winamp seems to be. I've been using VLC on the Mac for ages but haven't had too much experience with it on the PC, the command set is slightly different but that's probably due mainly to differences in the keyboard layout between Mac and Trashbox Windows PC. For example, you go to previous and next tracks in VLC under the Mac using command-left and command-right arrow respectively, on the PC version you use P and N on the keyboard If anyone would like to give this excellent little media player a try then use your friend Google and look for vlc, you'll have no trouble finding
Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC
Is there a tutorial/cheat sheet available for the VLC command set? Blessed Be, Dana that's Dana, D A N A, NOT Donna, D O N N A If your synthesizer pronounces them identically, instruct your customized pronunciation dictionary that Dana=dayna. D. S. Leslie, née C. R. Guttman Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: dsleslie Web: ÞE OL' PHILOSOPHIE SHOPPE Your Source for Discounted Ideas http://members.cox.net/dsleslie2/ - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:45 AM Subject: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Ok folks, I tried out the latest (and greatest?) version of Winamp and I had a few problems running it on the trashbox (otherwise known as the Windows PC) smile For some reason (I don't know why) Winamp it seems, was responsible for the Trashbox crashing every few minutes. Naturally this behavior to anyone (particularly to a Mac user where crashes are few and far between) lol is totally unacceptable so back onto the machine went VLC media Player, it was listening to both that I make the following observations. Firstly, VLC does a far better job ad decoding media such as MP3 etc, you can hear the differences quite distinctly. Controls are similar to those presented in Winamp and in a lot of ways, VLC is easier to use with a screen reader, not as cluttered as Winamp seems to be. I've been using VLC on the Mac for ages but haven't had too much experience with it on the PC, the command set is slightly different but that's probably due mainly to differences in the keyboard layout between Mac and Trashbox Windows PC. For example, you go to previous and next tracks in VLC under the Mac using command-left and command-right arrow respectively, on the PC version you use P and N on the keyboard If anyone would like to give this excellent little media player a try then use your friend Google and look for vlc, you'll have no trouble finding it. Takes up a lot less space than Winamp does plus it will play just about everything you can throw at it, including Cue and Wave/FLAC pairs. Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ NOD32 2672 (20071120) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC
Hi chris, Well said, it's time somebody got it right. Whatever system you have if it works for you use it and respect those who use other stuff. Now onto a winamp question I have and hopefully somebody can fill me in. While attempting to use the cddb feature in winamp 5.5 I got a message saying that it was not installed. is there a way to get it re-installed or is the removal of it due to changes within nulsoft and the gracenet service. Tony --- Original Message - From: Chris Skarstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:35 PM Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC I also have VLC Media player and it's a very interesting little program. It plays some file types better than others on my system and if you have your computers on a network it works great. Now, this Winamp issue...I've been using Windows in all its versions for 10 years, 95, 98 SE, XP and I'm sure at some point, i'll even give into Vista. But in all that time, I can say with absolute certainty that Winamp has never caused my computer to crash, in other words just running Winamp never made my computer crash. I would suspect that in Dane's case, there are other issues with the computer he is using to run Windows. It just saddens me that we have people trashing each other's choices of an operating system, we all need to remember that everyone's needs are different and while some prefer windows, others prefer Apple Macks. Let's quit all the mean little jabs here. You don't see me sitting there calling the apple mack a trashbox, so I would expect that people would respect my choice even though they may disagree with it. Come on now. At 10:16 AM 11/20/2007, you wrote: Really? Well VLC actually (let the truth be told) is Open source and is a cross platform media player. We have a publication in our newspaper The Age every Thursday and VLC has been getting rave reviews for the PC in it for quite some time, had I not needed to come back to Trashbox PC then I wouldn't have bothered investigating. Anyhow, for those who want to try something tha's nice and small and runs very nicely then have a look. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Gillard Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 2:53 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC If Winamp is a little to complicated for you I might suggest that you keep using your proprietary Mac crap! Thank you for contributing to my block senders list! - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:45 AM Subject: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Ok folks, I tried out the latest (and greatest?) version of Winamp and I had a few problems running it on the trashbox (otherwise known as the Windows PC) smile For some reason (I don't know why) Winamp it seems, was responsible for the Trashbox crashing every few minutes. Naturally this behavior to anyone (particularly to a Mac user where crashes are few and far between) lol is totally unacceptable so back onto the machine went VLC media Player, it was listening to both that I make the following observations. Firstly, VLC does a far better job ad decoding media such as MP3 etc, you can hear the differences quite distinctly. Controls are similar to those presented in Winamp and in a lot of ways, VLC is easier to use with a screen reader, not as cluttered as Winamp seems to be. I've been using VLC on the Mac for ages but haven't had too much experience with it on the PC, the command set is slightly different but that's probably due mainly to differences in the keyboard layout between Mac and Trashbox Windows PC. For example, you go to previous and next tracks in VLC under the Mac using command-left and command-right arrow respectively, on the PC version you use P and N on the keyboard If anyone would like to give this excellent little media player a try then use your friend Google and look for vlc, you'll have no trouble finding it. Takes up a lot less space than Winamp does plus it will play just about everything you can throw at it, including Cue and Wave/FLAC pairs. Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ NOD32 2672 (20071120) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email
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Ok. Lets make a few things clear. 1. What in the world is your problem with windows. If you don't like it, don't use it, not to mention don't call it a trashbox, you don't see me sittin here calling your mack a trashbox. I haven't used a mack because I don't know if there are any screenreaders available and certainly I haven't heard of any. 2. Secondly because, imho anyway, apple's products are a bit overpriced and not to mention I wish other companies would support mack (if mack is so great, etc). I've got an acer aspire 3000+ here, hp pavillion dv5220, and just recently got an alienware, 2.3 ghz intel duel core processor, 2 gb ram, top of the line etc. Now, the reason I'm saying this is because some people, like you, prefer mack. That's perfectly fine. Some people such as myself like windows and are used to it, therefore use it. Now, I'm not saying anything bad about a mack- so why're you jabbing fingers at windows? for that matter, if mack does everything you say it does, why are you using windows in the first place if you don't like it? I hope I don't look like I'm flaming you but, that's just my oppinion, and also I kind of feel insulted when people call windows a trashbox, while not giving supporting evidence of such. While microsoft may have its drawbacks, I see nothing wrong with vista, just some things to get used to, and besides, people are complaining about it all the time, but I personally don't mind it. Now I know this is a pc audio list and will add that it could be your computer that's causing the crash. winamps never crashed on my system, although I once loaded a .ogg file which free download manager was downloading and it lagged my pc bad! (of course, this was on the acer with like 1.6 ghz, 256 mb ram) so I upgraded the thing with another 512 mb. So hey, Dane, if you don't mind e-mailing me off list, I'd like to see a mack in action and get the specs on the thing. Also would like to know if any screenreaders are available and how good they work. - Tyler visit my website! http://www.valiant.789mb.com note: Make sure you have your speakers turned on to get a cool-sounding intro! - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:45 AM Subject: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Ok folks, I tried out the latest (and greatest?) version of Winamp and I had a few problems running it on the trashbox (otherwise known as the Windows PC) smile For some reason (I don't know why) Winamp it seems, was responsible for the Trashbox crashing every few minutes. Naturally this behavior to anyone (particularly to a Mac user where crashes are few and far between) lol is totally unacceptable so back onto the machine went VLC media Player, it was listening to both that I make the following observations. Firstly, VLC does a far better job ad decoding media such as MP3 etc, you can hear the differences quite distinctly. Controls are similar to those presented in Winamp and in a lot of ways, VLC is easier to use with a screen reader, not as cluttered as Winamp seems to be. I've been using VLC on the Mac for ages but haven't had too much experience with it on the PC, the command set is slightly different but that's probably due mainly to differences in the keyboard layout between Mac and Trashbox Windows PC. For example, you go to previous and next tracks in VLC under the Mac using command-left and command-right arrow respectively, on the PC version you use P and N on the keyboard If anyone would like to give this excellent little media player a try then use your friend Google and look for vlc, you'll have no trouble finding it. Takes up a lot less space than Winamp does plus it will play just about everything you can throw at it, including Cue and Wave/FLAC pairs. Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.2/1142 - Release Date: 20/11/2007 5:44 PM Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC
Ok, well I'd best explain, what I said was in gest (and I'm sorry took things the wrong way, a whole heap of touch-feely people out there smile, makes the world go round I guess, I explaiend what my problems were and I needen't go any further. Second, if you had problems like I had with Windows with your Mac then yep, I reckon you'd have every right to call a Mac a Trashbox if you writing in fun-like as I was but to answer your question, there is a Screen Reader for the Mac called VoiceOver and there has been another in the past called Outspoken, probably the discussion of this is outside the scope of the list. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timberwolf Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 9:43 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Ok. Lets make a few things clear. 1. What in the world is your problem with windows. If you don't like it, don't use it, not to mention don't call it a trashbox, you don't see me sittin here calling your mack a trashbox. I haven't used a mack because I don't know if there are any screenreaders available and certainly I haven't heard of any. 2. Secondly because, imho anyway, apple's products are a bit overpriced and not to mention I wish other companies would support mack (if mack is so great, etc). I've got an acer aspire 3000+ here, hp pavillion dv5220, and just recently got an alienware, 2.3 ghz intel duel core processor, 2 gb ram, top of the line etc. Now, the reason I'm saying this is because some people, like you, prefer mack. That's perfectly fine. Some people such as myself like windows and are used to it, therefore use it. Now, I'm not saying anything bad about a mack- so why're you jabbing fingers at windows? for that matter, if mack does everything you say it does, why are you using windows in the first place if you don't like it? I hope I don't look like I'm flaming you but, that's just my oppinion, and also I kind of feel insulted when people call windows a trashbox, while not giving supporting evidence of such. While microsoft may have its drawbacks, I see nothing wrong with vista, just some things to get used to, and besides, people are complaining about it all the time, but I personally don't mind it. Now I know this is a pc audio list and will add that it could be your computer that's causing the crash. winamps never crashed on my system, although I once loaded a .ogg file which free download manager was downloading and it lagged my pc bad! (of course, this was on the acer with like 1.6 ghz, 256 mb ram) so I upgraded the thing with another 512 mb. So hey, Dane, if you don't mind e-mailing me off list, I'd like to see a mack in action and get the specs on the thing. Also would like to know if any screenreaders are available and how good they work. - Tyler visit my website! http://www.valiant.789mb.com note: Make sure you have your speakers turned on to get a cool-sounding intro! - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:45 AM Subject: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Ok folks, I tried out the latest (and greatest?) version of Winamp and I had a few problems running it on the trashbox (otherwise known as the Windows PC) smile For some reason (I don't know why) Winamp it seems, was responsible for the Trashbox crashing every few minutes. Naturally this behavior to anyone (particularly to a Mac user where crashes are few and far between) lol is totally unacceptable so back onto the machine went VLC media Player, it was listening to both that I make the following observations. Firstly, VLC does a far better job ad decoding media such as MP3 etc, you can hear the differences quite distinctly. Controls are similar to those presented in Winamp and in a lot of ways, VLC is easier to use with a screen reader, not as cluttered as Winamp seems to be. I've been using VLC on the Mac for ages but haven't had too much experience with it on the PC, the command set is slightly different but that's probably due mainly to differences in the keyboard layout between Mac and Trashbox Windows PC. For example, you go to previous and next tracks in VLC under the Mac using command-left and command-right arrow respectively, on the PC version you use P and N on the keyboard If anyone would like to give this excellent little media player a try then use your friend Google and look for vlc, you'll have no trouble finding it. Takes up a lot less space than Winamp does plus it will play just about everything you can throw at it, including Cue and Wave/FLAC pairs. Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503
RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC
I'm not an expert on that, I can only tell you that it does, I've used it often enough. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 7:00 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 04:04:07 +1100, you wrote: Yep certainly! How is this possible? Only RealPlayer can play RealAudio content. Or does it just call RealPlayer when you feed it a .RAM file? Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'm sure I saw a section devoted to manuals in various formats somewhere, after reading all my mail I'll have a look again. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dana S. Leslie Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 7:12 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Is there a tutorial/cheat sheet available for the VLC command set? Blessed Be, Dana that's Dana, D A N A, NOT Donna, D O N N A If your synthesizer pronounces them identically, instruct your customized pronunciation dictionary that Dana=dayna. D. S. Leslie, née C. R. Guttman Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: dsleslie Web: ÞE OL' PHILOSOPHIE SHOPPE Your Source for Discounted Ideas http://members.cox.net/dsleslie2/ - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:45 AM Subject: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Ok folks, I tried out the latest (and greatest?) version of Winamp and I had a few problems running it on the trashbox (otherwise known as the Windows PC) smile For some reason (I don't know why) Winamp it seems, was responsible for the Trashbox crashing every few minutes. Naturally this behavior to anyone (particularly to a Mac user where crashes are few and far between) lol is totally unacceptable so back onto the machine went VLC media Player, it was listening to both that I make the following observations. Firstly, VLC does a far better job ad decoding media such as MP3 etc, you can hear the differences quite distinctly. Controls are similar to those presented in Winamp and in a lot of ways, VLC is easier to use with a screen reader, not as cluttered as Winamp seems to be. I've been using VLC on the Mac for ages but haven't had too much experience with it on the PC, the command set is slightly different but that's probably due mainly to differences in the keyboard layout between Mac and Trashbox Windows PC. For example, you go to previous and next tracks in VLC under the Mac using command-left and command-right arrow respectively, on the PC version you use P and N on the keyboard If anyone would like to give this excellent little media player a try then use your friend Google and look for vlc, you'll have no trouble finding it. Takes up a lot less space than Winamp does plus it will play just about everything you can throw at it, including Cue and Wave/FLAC pairs. Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ NOD32 2672 (20071120) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ah, ok, sorry. Mind emailing me off list? I'm curious of your batterylife and such using a mack. thanks PS: I think I'll try this player out, sounds pretty cool. I'll stil use winamp, of course, but I'll give this player a wurl, sounds very interesting. - Tyler visit my website! http://www.valiant.789mb.com note: Make sure you have your speakers turned on to get a cool-sounding intro! - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 4:47 PM Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Ok, well I'd best explain, what I said was in gest (and I'm sorry took things the wrong way, a whole heap of touch-feely people out there smile, makes the world go round I guess, I explaiend what my problems were and I needen't go any further. Second, if you had problems like I had with Windows with your Mac then yep, I reckon you'd have every right to call a Mac a Trashbox if you writing in fun-like as I was but to answer your question, there is a Screen Reader for the Mac called VoiceOver and there has been another in the past called Outspoken, probably the discussion of this is outside the scope of the list. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timberwolf Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 9:43 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Ok. Lets make a few things clear. 1. What in the world is your problem with windows. If you don't like it, don't use it, not to mention don't call it a trashbox, you don't see me sittin here calling your mack a trashbox. I haven't used a mack because I don't know if there are any screenreaders available and certainly I haven't heard of any. 2. Secondly because, imho anyway, apple's products are a bit overpriced and not to mention I wish other companies would support mack (if mack is so great, etc). I've got an acer aspire 3000+ here, hp pavillion dv5220, and just recently got an alienware, 2.3 ghz intel duel core processor, 2 gb ram, top of the line etc. Now, the reason I'm saying this is because some people, like you, prefer mack. That's perfectly fine. Some people such as myself like windows and are used to it, therefore use it. Now, I'm not saying anything bad about a mack- so why're you jabbing fingers at windows? for that matter, if mack does everything you say it does, why are you using windows in the first place if you don't like it? I hope I don't look like I'm flaming you but, that's just my oppinion, and also I kind of feel insulted when people call windows a trashbox, while not giving supporting evidence of such. While microsoft may have its drawbacks, I see nothing wrong with vista, just some things to get used to, and besides, people are complaining about it all the time, but I personally don't mind it. Now I know this is a pc audio list and will add that it could be your computer that's causing the crash. winamps never crashed on my system, although I once loaded a .ogg file which free download manager was downloading and it lagged my pc bad! (of course, this was on the acer with like 1.6 ghz, 256 mb ram) so I upgraded the thing with another 512 mb. So hey, Dane, if you don't mind e-mailing me off list, I'd like to see a mack in action and get the specs on the thing. Also would like to know if any screenreaders are available and how good they work. - Tyler visit my website! http://www.valiant.789mb.com note: Make sure you have your speakers turned on to get a cool-sounding intro! - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:45 AM Subject: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Ok folks, I tried out the latest (and greatest?) version of Winamp and I had a few problems running it on the trashbox (otherwise known as the Windows PC) smile For some reason (I don't know why) Winamp it seems, was responsible for the Trashbox crashing every few minutes. Naturally this behavior to anyone (particularly to a Mac user where crashes are few and far between) lol is totally unacceptable so back onto the machine went VLC media Player, it was listening to both that I make the following observations. Firstly, VLC does a far better job ad decoding media such as MP3 etc, you can hear the differences quite distinctly. Controls are similar to those presented in Winamp and in a lot of ways, VLC is easier to use with a screen reader, not as cluttered as Winamp seems to be. I've been using VLC on the Mac for ages but haven't had too much experience with it on the PC, the command set is slightly different but that's probably due mainly to differences in the keyboard layout between Mac and Trashbox Windows PC. For example, you go to previous and next tracks in VLC under
RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC
No problems It's a bad little player, quite a bit to it as I'm finding out going through the manual here, for those who want to use it for streaming you can, another piece of documentation tells you how to set this up. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timberwolf Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 10:47 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Ah, ok, sorry. Mind emailing me off list? I'm curious of your batterylife and such using a mack. thanks PS: I think I'll try this player out, sounds pretty cool. I'll stil use winamp, of course, but I'll give this player a wurl, sounds very interesting. - Tyler visit my website! http://www.valiant.789mb.com note: Make sure you have your speakers turned on to get a cool-sounding intro! - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 4:47 PM Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Ok, well I'd best explain, what I said was in gest (and I'm sorry took things the wrong way, a whole heap of touch-feely people out there smile, makes the world go round I guess, I explaiend what my problems were and I needen't go any further. Second, if you had problems like I had with Windows with your Mac then yep, I reckon you'd have every right to call a Mac a Trashbox if you writing in fun-like as I was but to answer your question, there is a Screen Reader for the Mac called VoiceOver and there has been another in the past called Outspoken, probably the discussion of this is outside the scope of the list. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timberwolf Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 9:43 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Ok. Lets make a few things clear. 1. What in the world is your problem with windows. If you don't like it, don't use it, not to mention don't call it a trashbox, you don't see me sittin here calling your mack a trashbox. I haven't used a mack because I don't know if there are any screenreaders available and certainly I haven't heard of any. 2. Secondly because, imho anyway, apple's products are a bit overpriced and not to mention I wish other companies would support mack (if mack is so great, etc). I've got an acer aspire 3000+ here, hp pavillion dv5220, and just recently got an alienware, 2.3 ghz intel duel core processor, 2 gb ram, top of the line etc. Now, the reason I'm saying this is because some people, like you, prefer mack. That's perfectly fine. Some people such as myself like windows and are used to it, therefore use it. Now, I'm not saying anything bad about a mack- so why're you jabbing fingers at windows? for that matter, if mack does everything you say it does, why are you using windows in the first place if you don't like it? I hope I don't look like I'm flaming you but, that's just my oppinion, and also I kind of feel insulted when people call windows a trashbox, while not giving supporting evidence of such. While microsoft may have its drawbacks, I see nothing wrong with vista, just some things to get used to, and besides, people are complaining about it all the time, but I personally don't mind it. Now I know this is a pc audio list and will add that it could be your computer that's causing the crash. winamps never crashed on my system, although I once loaded a .ogg file which free download manager was downloading and it lagged my pc bad! (of course, this was on the acer with like 1.6 ghz, 256 mb ram) so I upgraded the thing with another 512 mb. So hey, Dane, if you don't mind e-mailing me off list, I'd like to see a mack in action and get the specs on the thing. Also would like to know if any screenreaders are available and how good they work. - Tyler visit my website! http://www.valiant.789mb.com note: Make sure you have your speakers turned on to get a cool-sounding intro! - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:45 AM Subject: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Ok folks, I tried out the latest (and greatest?) version of Winamp and I had a few problems running it on the trashbox (otherwise known as the Windows PC) smile For some reason (I don't know why) Winamp it seems, was responsible for the Trashbox crashing every few minutes. Naturally this behavior to anyone (particularly to a Mac user where crashes are few and far between) lol is totally unacceptable so back onto the machine went VLC media Player, it was listening to both that I make the following observations. Firstly, VLC does a far better job ad decoding media such as MP3 etc, you can hear the differences quite distinctly. Controls are similar to those
Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC
Hello Tyler, There is a screen reader for the Mack systems. It's called Tiger, and it's built in to the sound card. I haven't played with a Mack in more then 20 years, but I here that it's more assessable then Windows. I don't know this for sure, like you I would like to see it in action too. John. - Original Message - From: Timberwolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 5:43 PM Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Ok. Lets make a few things clear. 1. What in the world is your problem with windows. If you don't like it, don't use it, not to mention don't call it a trashbox, you don't see me sittin here calling your mack a trashbox. I haven't used a mack because I don't know if there are any screenreaders available and certainly I haven't heard of any. 2. Secondly because, imho anyway, apple's products are a bit overpriced and not to mention I wish other companies would support mack (if mack is so great, etc). I've got an acer aspire 3000+ here, hp pavillion dv5220, and just recently got an alienware, 2.3 ghz intel duel core processor, 2 gb ram, top of the line etc. Now, the reason I'm saying this is because some people, like you, prefer mack. That's perfectly fine. Some people such as myself like windows and are used to it, therefore use it. Now, I'm not saying anything bad about a mack- so why're you jabbing fingers at windows? for that matter, if mack does everything you say it does, why are you using windows in the first place if you don't like it? I hope I don't look like I'm flaming you but, that's just my oppinion, and also I kind of feel insulted when people call windows a trashbox, while not giving supporting evidence of such. While microsoft may have its drawbacks, I see nothing wrong with vista, just some things to get used to, and besides, people are complaining about it all the time, but I personally don't mind it. Now I know this is a pc audio list and will add that it could be your computer that's causing the crash. winamps never crashed on my system, although I once loaded a .ogg file which free download manager was downloading and it lagged my pc bad! (of course, this was on the acer with like 1.6 ghz, 256 mb ram) so I upgraded the thing with another 512 mb. So hey, Dane, if you don't mind e-mailing me off list, I'd like to see a mack in action and get the specs on the thing. Also would like to know if any screenreaders are available and how good they work. - Tyler visit my website! http://www.valiant.789mb.com note: Make sure you have your speakers turned on to get a cool-sounding intro! - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:45 AM Subject: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Ok folks, I tried out the latest (and greatest?) version of Winamp and I had a few problems running it on the trashbox (otherwise known as the Windows PC) smile For some reason (I don't know why) Winamp it seems, was responsible for the Trashbox crashing every few minutes. Naturally this behavior to anyone (particularly to a Mac user where crashes are few and far between) lol is totally unacceptable so back onto the machine went VLC media Player, it was listening to both that I make the following observations. Firstly, VLC does a far better job ad decoding media such as MP3 etc, you can hear the differences quite distinctly. Controls are similar to those presented in Winamp and in a lot of ways, VLC is easier to use with a screen reader, not as cluttered as Winamp seems to be. I've been using VLC on the Mac for ages but haven't had too much experience with it on the PC, the command set is slightly different but that's probably due mainly to differences in the keyboard layout between Mac and Trashbox Windows PC. For example, you go to previous and next tracks in VLC under the Mac using command-left and command-right arrow respectively, on the PC version you use P and N on the keyboard If anyone would like to give this excellent little media player a try then use your friend Google and look for vlc, you'll have no trouble finding it. Takes up a lot less space than Winamp does plus it will play just about everything you can throw at it, including Cue and Wave/FLAC pairs. Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.2/1142 - Release Date: 20/11/2007 5:44 PM Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition
RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC
Ok, just to correct you on a couple of points here. Tiger was an operating system for the Mac (like say Windows for the PC) but it has now become superseeded. The Mac Screen Reader is indeed VoiceOver but it is not built-in to the Sound Card rather its part of the Mac Operating System, it has been sine 2005. Hope this helps. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DJ DOCTOR P Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 4:56 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Hello Tyler, There is a screen reader for the Mack systems. It's called Tiger, and it's built in to the sound card. I haven't played with a Mack in more then 20 years, but I here that it's more assessable then Windows. I don't know this for sure, like you I would like to see it in action too. John. - Original Message - From: Timberwolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 5:43 PM Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Ok. Lets make a few things clear. 1. What in the world is your problem with windows. If you don't like it, don't use it, not to mention don't call it a trashbox, you don't see me sittin here calling your mack a trashbox. I haven't used a mack because I don't know if there are any screenreaders available and certainly I haven't heard of any. 2. Secondly because, imho anyway, apple's products are a bit overpriced and not to mention I wish other companies would support mack (if mack is so great, etc). I've got an acer aspire 3000+ here, hp pavillion dv5220, and just recently got an alienware, 2.3 ghz intel duel core processor, 2 gb ram, top of the line etc. Now, the reason I'm saying this is because some people, like you, prefer mack. That's perfectly fine. Some people such as myself like windows and are used to it, therefore use it. Now, I'm not saying anything bad about a mack- so why're you jabbing fingers at windows? for that matter, if mack does everything you say it does, why are you using windows in the first place if you don't like it? I hope I don't look like I'm flaming you but, that's just my oppinion, and also I kind of feel insulted when people call windows a trashbox, while not giving supporting evidence of such. While microsoft may have its drawbacks, I see nothing wrong with vista, just some things to get used to, and besides, people are complaining about it all the time, but I personally don't mind it. Now I know this is a pc audio list and will add that it could be your computer that's causing the crash. winamps never crashed on my system, although I once loaded a .ogg file which free download manager was downloading and it lagged my pc bad! (of course, this was on the acer with like 1.6 ghz, 256 mb ram) so I upgraded the thing with another 512 mb. So hey, Dane, if you don't mind e-mailing me off list, I'd like to see a mack in action and get the specs on the thing. Also would like to know if any screenreaders are available and how good they work. - Tyler visit my website! http://www.valiant.789mb.com note: Make sure you have your speakers turned on to get a cool-sounding intro! - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:45 AM Subject: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC Ok folks, I tried out the latest (and greatest?) version of Winamp and I had a few problems running it on the trashbox (otherwise known as the Windows PC) smile For some reason (I don't know why) Winamp it seems, was responsible for the Trashbox crashing every few minutes. Naturally this behavior to anyone (particularly to a Mac user where crashes are few and far between) lol is totally unacceptable so back onto the machine went VLC media Player, it was listening to both that I make the following observations. Firstly, VLC does a far better job ad decoding media such as MP3 etc, you can hear the differences quite distinctly. Controls are similar to those presented in Winamp and in a lot of ways, VLC is easier to use with a screen reader, not as cluttered as Winamp seems to be. I've been using VLC on the Mac for ages but haven't had too much experience with it on the PC, the command set is slightly different but that's probably due mainly to differences in the keyboard layout between Mac and Trashbox Windows PC. For example, you go to previous and next tracks in VLC under the Mac using command-left and command-right arrow respectively, on the PC version you use P and N on the keyboard If anyone would like to give this excellent little media player a try then use your friend Google and look for vlc, you'll have no trouble finding it. Takes up a lot less space than Winamp does plus it will play just about everything you can throw at it, including Cue and Wave/FLAC pairs. Audio
