Re: [PD] Rewriting a unified phasor / metro object for reading tables
Hi Brian, On 07/03/14 08:22, Brian Fay wrote: Does anybody know if sample-accurate [metros] are available in libpd? Looking at x_time.c in libpd it does not seem like those changes from Miller's branch have been merged into libpd yet. I am sure somebody will get to it soon, or you could do it yourself and submit a patch. I would like to take this opportunity to say thanks to Dan and most especially Peter, and anybody else who is maintaining the libpd branch of Pd - it really is an amazing resource for the community. Cheers, Chris. -- http://mccormick.cx/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Rewriting a unified phasor / metro object for reading tables
Hi, On 09/05/13 05:00, Ed Kelly wrote: I'm rewriting phasor~ and unifying it with metro so that a pulse is generated from the boundaries of each ramp - so that bars of music can be read using tabread~ objects with a sample-accurate metro. Not sure if this is relevant or already common knowledge but newer versions of Pd allow you to specify metro and delay tempo units, including in samples. e.g. [metro 500 1 samp]. Cheers, Chris. -- http://mccormick.cx/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Get name of patch from within the patch
Hello, On 03/03/14 21:55, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: Hi. I've been googling a bit and looking through the library of objects that comes with pd-extended, but can't seem to find a way to get the name of the patch from within the patch. Anyone know of a nice method to do this? I would use [namecanvas] for this. For example you could have an object like [namecanvas $0-mypatch] and then you can send messages to the patch using e.g. [s $0-mypatch]. Cheers, Chris. -- http://mccormick.cx/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] RjDj/ScenePlayer for iOS?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi IOhannes, On 03/03/14 02:20, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: On 02/28/2014 02:41 PM, Chris McCormick wrote: PdDroidParty supports multitouch thanks to Muddu Kishan. i think i was unclear here: i know that PdDroidParty has multi-touch support (as shown in the demo). but what i really meant was: raw access to (multiple) pointer(s), like the #touch message in RdDj, No, PdDroidParty does not do that. Would be minimal to implement. If someone submitted a patch to add that I would definitely merge it. Cheers, Chris. - -- http://mccormick.cx/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iD8DBQFTE+YZCdjIil9lUVoRAsePAJ0aL4OgPtlyVuQyg0HaGJqG1K6sdwCgoN1k dqGxbSWOn2rhP3iHo0iPzUo= =6leu -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] RjDj/ScenePlayer for iOS?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi IOhannes, On 28/02/14 19:11, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: On 02/28/2014 04:38 AM, Chris McCormick wrote: https://github.com/danomatika/PdParty afaik this is a port of the amazing PdDroidParty. however, i'm not looking for a generic Pd-patch player, but rather for something that can play standard RjDj scenes. I guess it's not completely clear from the GitHub repository but PdParty exceeds the amazing PdDroidParty by also playing RjDj scenes. I am not sure exactly how faithful it is to the original software but it seems to have all the bits in the right places (e.g. rotating images demo). Give it a try with your desired scene and see, I guess! Cheers, Chris. - -- http://mccormick.cx/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iD8DBQFTEJCQCdjIil9lUVoRAh5MAJ98H2ejyV3xANQPYh/ciX/Sv+HrUwCeNJUg GsRqmk+QHs1z7cGbpxjjrpU= =HGcB -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] RjDj/ScenePlayer for iOS?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi IOhannes, Sorry, I forgot to reply to this bit: On 28/02/14 19:11, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: anyhow: is there support for accelerometer and multi-touch in Pd(Droid)Party? There is for both in PdParty, yep. There is a patch set for PdDroidParty from Antoine Rousseau which supports accelerometer that I need to merge: https://github.com/chr15m/PdDroidParty/pull/14 I think the accel support might be incompatible with that in PdParty which I'll need to fix if so. PdDroidParty supports multitouch thanks to Muddu Kishan. Cheers, Chris. - -- http://mccormick.cx/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iD8DBQFTEJH9CdjIil9lUVoRAmvGAKCuGwTmX+rrXgauNbiXsioxyATmfwCfbfV4 DTWPdQbwOw5wYJ4y3568x3I= =Szft -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] RjDj/ScenePlayer for iOS?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi IOHannes, On 28/02/14 00:08, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: what are the options these days to play old (or new) RjDj scenes on an Idevice. RjDj.app is gone, and it seems that there is no ScenePlayer for iOS. https://github.com/danomatika/PdParty You will need to compile it yourself. Cheers, Chris. - -- http://mccormick.cx/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iD8DBQFTEASdCdjIil9lUVoRAgOuAKCsSz4SCZx2p+VQgita9RtmdSIhyQCfdw+i rojDwtiNIVfyVcJ240fjyds= =6wOP -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] check mail with pd ?
On 06/02/14 06:29, pured...@11h11.com wrote: but pd is not really good with strings afaik Maybe soon: https://sourceforge.net/p/pure-data/pure-data/ci/8a02332a5fb68edc2899e2f13513c77f0796d21b/ https://sourceforge.net/p/pure-data/pure-data/ci/49ffcf8ba5cdde7660e82f1e190fcee7c6fa5627/ :) Cheers, Chris. -- http://mccormick.cx/ #N canvas 213 266 450 449 10; #X obj 50 253 list tosymbol; #X obj 50 87 list fromsymbol; #X obj 50 275 list prepend set; #X obj 50 297 list trim; #X obj 71 133 list split 1; #X obj 152 133 t l; #X msg 50 58 symbol dog/cat/mouse; #X msg 71 177 45; #X obj 71 155 sel 47; #X obj 71 200 list append; #X obj 146 200 t l; #X obj 50 226 list; #X obj 50 109 t b a b; #X obj 220 87 list fromsymbol; #X obj 241 133 list split 1; #X obj 322 133 t l; #X msg 220 58 symbol dog/cat/mouse; #X obj 241 200 list append; #X obj 316 200 t l; #X obj 220 226 list; #X obj 220 109 t b a b; #X text 54 30 replace; #X text 225 24 split; #X obj 220 253 list tosymbol; #X obj 220 275 print; #X obj 241 155 sel 47; #X obj 241 177 t b b; #X msg 50 319; #X connect 0 0 2 0; #X connect 1 0 12 0; #X connect 2 0 3 0; #X connect 3 0 27 0; #X connect 4 0 8 0; #X connect 4 1 5 0; #X connect 5 0 4 0; #X connect 6 0 1 0; #X connect 7 0 9 0; #X connect 8 0 7 0; #X connect 8 1 9 0; #X connect 9 0 10 0; #X connect 9 0 11 1; #X connect 10 0 9 1; #X connect 11 0 0 0; #X connect 12 0 11 0; #X connect 12 1 4 0; #X connect 12 2 9 1; #X connect 13 0 20 0; #X connect 14 0 25 0; #X connect 14 1 15 0; #X connect 15 0 14 0; #X connect 16 0 13 0; #X connect 17 0 18 0; #X connect 17 0 19 1; #X connect 18 0 17 1; #X connect 19 0 23 0; #X connect 20 0 19 0; #X connect 20 1 14 0; #X connect 20 2 17 1; #X connect 23 0 24 0; #X connect 25 0 26 0; #X connect 25 1 17 0; #X connect 26 0 19 0; #X connect 26 1 17 1; ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Multi-input USB audio into Raspberry Pi
Hi all, I might be really pushing my luck here, what with all the reports of audio issues on the Pi, but has anyone heard of somebody getting multi-input audio working with a multi-input USB 2.0 audio device? I have a dream of running one of these mixers (which does 8 channel audio out over USB 2.0) into Pd and being able to manipulate all of the channels from the mixer in Pd: http://www.alesis.com/multimix8usb20 Cheers, Chris. -- http://mccormick.cx/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Multi-input USB audio into Raspberry Pi
Hey Jaime, On 24/01/14 01:48, Jaime E Oliver wrote: there was a thread on this just a while back and someone reported multiple inputs, I cannot find it right now, but it;s there! I spent a fair bit of time reading back through the archives and various other sources yesterday and I did see mention of someone running four inputs but a later post seemed to contradict what they'd said, and I couldn't find anything on pd-list about that in particular. Would love to be wrong about that of course! In any case, I will report back here if successful. Cheers, Chris. -- http://mccormick.cx/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] new feature for ponies to spit floats at objects
On 03/11/13 09:46, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: This will finally make it possible for Pure Data objects to receive any message a pony happens to spit at it: https://puredata.info/Members/jancsika/pony-spits-numbers-at-Pd.webm/view This is the single greatest non-audio thing I have ever seen Pd do. Cheers, Chris. -- http://mccormick.cx/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [WebPd] Status update
On 23/10/13 22:23, s p wrote: For those interested in WebPd, here is a short status update about the project : http://funktion.fm/#post/webpd-refactor Very cool! Cheers, Chris. -- http://mccormick.cx/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] A giant step sideways for Pd on Android
Hey all, Just got MIDI input working in PdDroidParty thanks to Peter Brinkmann's new libpd midi glue code. This means you can plug a MIDI controller or keyboard into your Android tablet/phone using the OTG cable, and use it to control Pd on the device. Which means yr gigging setup just shrank to pocket size. Almost certainly bugs. Have at it! http://droidparty.net/ Now I must sleep. Cheers, Chris. PS after you load a patch it's under a menu option. PPS crashes phones/tablets that don't do USB in ( Android 2.3.4 I think). PPS I recently found a really good 7 tablet from Shenzen for $US 88 so we are getting down to Raspberry Pi kinds of prices. Email me if you want the link. -- http://mccormick.cx/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] PdDroidParty lazer show
Hey all, A PdDroidParty user sent me this video - controlling a lazer projector with their smartphone using Pd[DroidParty]. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wN9U_laoUM Chris. -- http://mccormick.cx/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pointillism @ ICMC2013
On 12/08/13 15:51, Simon Wise wrote: On 12/08/13 15:35, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: the ICMC2013 has started this morning in Perth/Australia. since i'm performing my piece pointillism tomorrow night at The Bakery/artrage (233 James Street Northbridge), it'd be great to meet with people who happen to be in the area. It would be great to meet up .. I'll try to get to the performance, maybe meet up for a beer or coffee? I'll be in on that! See you guys there. Cheers, Chris. -- http://mccormick.cx/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pointillism @ ICMC2013
On 13/08/13 10:23, Simon Wise wrote: Perth being the kind of town it is, I can't stay late since I'm limited by the last bus home (and 4 years on a student income!) but I'll be there about 9pm. I'd offer to dinkie you on my bike but may not be that stable after beers + pointillism. ;) Cheers, Chris. -- http://mccormick.cx/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] New PdDroidParty version
Hi all, Just pushed a new version with Peter Brinkmann's latest latency tweaks. Seems pretty solid and subjectively much faster. Also bundled are a bunch of tweaks and fixes from Antoine Rousseau. http://droidparty.net/ Have fun! Cheers, Chris. -- http://mccormick.cx/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] PdDroidParty news + new release
Hello, * I've moved PdDroidParty development to GitHub. Fork away and feel free to submit pull requests! http://github.com/chr15m/PdDroidParty/ * There is a new version up online for you to download: http://droidparty.net/ * This version includes multitouch! Huge thanks to Kishan and Antoine for their work on that. It's lemurtastic. I played a live set with this new feature the other night and it was a lot of fun to get on stage with just a $150 Shanzai Android tablet - super minimal way to rock yr Pd patches live. * Antoine also contributed a huge patch with lots of really nice stuff, bugfixes, widget colours, close-patch-confirmation, partial-patch-view (i.e. multiple UIs on one screen) and other great things. https://github.com/chr15m/PdDroidParty/commit/da6a5bf97c1e96fe84873233564f5f44c88ff72f * Kishan has expressed an interest in further paid work on this project and I would love it if we could send more work his way. Maybe this is something we can crowdfund together? Are there features people want to see urgently in PdDroidParty that they would be willing to pay Kishan to code? * If you are generally in search of a very competitively priced and high quality Android freelance developer, please contact Kishan directly (CC'ed). Have fun! Cheers, Chris. -- http://mccormick.cx/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] question about MIDI
Hi Michael, On 18/04/13 12:51, michael noble wrote: On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Chris McCormick ch...@mccormick.cx mailto:ch...@mccormick.cx wrote: * Use netsend to send the values over the network. Is the reverse working at the moment with netreceive? I haven't tested that recently but last time I did netreceive was working except for broadcast UDP packets. Probably Antoine knows more about this than me because he has been working on something called [droidnetreceive] and I have not asked him why yet. :) If you get a chance to do some tests yourself please post the results! Cheers, Chris. -- http://mccormick.cx/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] question about MIDI
Hi, On 15/04/13 15:20, Sdrgf Sd wrote: If this works out then aplication like TouchOSC are not needed anymore. We can then make anything . Cant wait for the reply. You can already use PdDroidParty like TouchOSC. * Create a patch with sliders etc. * Use netsend to send the values over the network. * Receive the values in Pd on your laptop. * Turn those values into whatever format you like (osc, midi, sounds, etc.) Cheers, Chris. -- http://mccormick.cx/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pddroidparty on samsung galaxy ace 2
On 15/04/13 16:29, nachoe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Chris. Now, with the new update, it works perfect. Rock and roll! Also had a report it's working on the Samsung Galaxy Note now. Cheers, Chris. -- http://mccormick.cx/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.43-3 released
On 07/04/2012 05:11 AM, Miller Puckette wrote: The thing I'm actually looking forward to doing is to extend textfiles and message boxes and data structures to be able to spit lists of atoms around much more flexibly than now. Also pd vanilla needs tilde objects to do interpolating signal snapshots, phase-syncable oscillators, and other stuff on that level, also likely to be a lot of fun. Sounds awesome, I am excited! Chris. -- http://mccormick.cx/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Miller in Melbourne (and Brisbane?)
Hey all! I don't think I saw this posted yet: Miller will be at the Melbourne patching circle Sat July 7th, 2pm to 8pm. Miller, is there anywhere we can find an itinerary of what you are up to? I think you will be at other events in Australia too, right? I read Brisbane somewhere. Wish I could be at one of the events but alas I am on the other side of the country. Cheers, Chris. -- http://mccormick.cx/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Pd geeks in Glasgow?
Hello Pure Dataz, I will be in Glasgow for a couple of weeks at the end of July 2012 as the technical guy on an art project. Will you be there and do you want to drink a beer and we can regale eachother with tales of the Pd patches we have made? Let's do that! Also, sorry to everyone who has sent me PdDroidParty emails that I have not replied to. You are great and I am not great at replying to emails right now. :( Cheers, Chris. PS here is the art project i helped develop the software for: http://mccormick.cx/news/entries/recent-work-and-a-glasgow-2012-trip -- http://mccormick.cx/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] make droidparty app
Hello! I think if you are using a more recent version of the Android SDK you need to do ant debug install / ant release install instead of just ant install. Maybe that's the issue? Cheers, Chris. On 05/21/2012 08:31 PM, Matthias Moos wrote: Dear pd-listeners I tried to make an android-app with the walkthrough on droidparty.net http://droidparty.net (OS: Ubuntu)... I could get till the last step, but after using ant install i got the error /home/mativa/android-sdk-linux/tools/ant/build.xml:1194: The following error occurred while executing this line: /home/mativa/android-sdk-linux/tools/ant/build.xml:1261: No message does anyone have an Idea know what might have gone wrong??? I guess that's a very noob question... greetingsmatt ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- http://mccormick.cx/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] NPR in Gem
Hi all, Has anyone done any work with non-photorealistic rendering in Gem? I am specifically looking for sketch renderers implemented in Gem. Web search did not help me. Cheers! Chris. -- http://mccormick.cx/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PdDroidParty closes on screen lock
Hi Tim, On 04/14/2012 07:39 AM, tim vets wrote: I was testing PdDroidParty on an HTC Desire HD phone, and I noticed that as soon as the phone's screen times out and locks (goes black) any running PdDroidParty patch closes down. Is there a way to prevent this (other than setting screen timeout to 'never')? That's odd. I have in the TODO list to implement the screen wake lock thing but I didn't get around to it yet. Hopefully some time soon! Cheers, Chris. -- http://mccormick.cx/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] squeakyshoecore ep out - 100% Pure Data!
Hey Pd-people and Linux Audio User's list, I'm excited to let you know that my new EP, made 100% with Pure Data, is out now on UK algorave label ChordPunch! If you liked the previous squeakyshoecore releases this was made with the same software and represents an evolution in that direction. iTunes: http://itunes.apple.com/gb/album/squeakyshoecore-ep/id517096205 Amazon: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B007RX7GJG/ Spotify: spotify:search:squeakyshoecore ChordPunch info: http://chordpunch.com/releases/cp0x07/ I would really appreciate it if you would give it a review, share, listen, buy, etc. Visit this page to like/share it on Facebook, Twitter, Google Plus: http://sciencegirlrecords.com/chr15m/squeakyshoecore Any help you can give me getting the word out would be very appreciated. Thank you so much! Oh, and here are the (GPL) patches, which are midi-learn friendly :) http://mccormick.cx/projects/GarageAcidLab/ Have fun! Cheers, Chris. -- http://mccormick.cx/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] WebPd - Re: Webkit and firefox support
Hi Sébastien, On 03/20/2012 03:18 PM, s p wrote: Did you have time to take a look at the work done ? Seems like I am not going to have time to keep up with your pace of development. I have put a note on my WebPd project page http://mccormick.cx/projects/WebPd/ that the latest development is happening at your GitHub fork: https://github.com/sebpiq/WebPd Anybody interested in the new stuff being added to WebPd should look there. Really great to see this moving forward so quickly. :) Cheers, Chris. -- http://mccormick.cx/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] New PdDroidParty version up
Hi, I pushed a new version to http://droidparty.net/ * Includes the stuff to try and get multicast UDP packets receiving correctly - might work for someone else. * Fix for $0 in send/receive names. Cheers, Chris. -- http://mccormick.cx/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] cool ways to use pd in keyboard rig
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Andrew Faradaywrote: Basically, feel free to throw ideas at me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjmdWdHdKKs Chris. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] WebPd - Need a small clarification
On 03/06/2012 04:15 PM, sebastien piquemal wrote:
my preference would be for there to be an option to download a
monolithic pd.js
This goes without saying !!! That's actually what a CI server is meant
for : automating builds. Basically, the split files would be only
development files.
Cool!
My other philosophy is to have it run with as few dependencies as
possible
That also goes without saying ! When I talked about prototype, I was
not at all talking about prototype.js, I was talking about object's
prototype. When you do like this :
function PdObject() {
this.tofloat = function(data) {
//bla
};
};
You basically give a copy of tofloat function to each instance of
PdObject. The proper way to do that would be to use prototype :
function PdObject() {
// bla
};
PdObject.prototype.tofloat = function(data) {
//bla
};
That way, all instances of PdObject share the same method (same can be
done for all methods to save a bit of memory). By using prototype, you
can also implement a nice inheritance mechanism, which would make
writing new objects a bit simpler.
Yep, that's much better.
At the end of the day I guess it's kind of obvious that if there was
a way to make a patch in Pd and then put that patch on a website for as
many people as possible to play with
Yep !!! I definitely share that vision ! Anyways there's not other
solution currently, since you need to prototype your patch with
PureData, before porting it to web.
About all the TODOs, there's definitely a lot to do !!! I understood
most of them, but some are a bit unclear ... I have my own favorites -
like a driver for Webkit browsers -, and some that I already know I
won't do - like flash stuff : berk ... let's look towards the future for
Pete's sake !!! IE will hopefully end-up implementing an audio API as
well !!!
When a user puts a patch online I am sure they want as many people as
possible to be able to use that patch, that's my only point. It's a
reality that more people on the planet use IE than any other browser (as
horrible as that fact is). If it's possible to support IE then we
should, for the sake of users.
Anyway, I think it just means I will have to maintain the Flash driver
myself, which is horrible, but I realise nobody else will want to touch
this. :)
Cheers,
Chris.
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Re: [PD] WebPd - Need a small clarification
On 03/06/2012 04:18 PM, sebastien piquemal wrote: Let's see how things go. It's just that now I'm more careful, because I had the bad experience of coding a lot of stuff in a fork, and the author never pulling it, or pulling then reverting all the work done. I understand your concern. However, in the age of distributed version control I think it's not such an issue. Imagine the situation where the scenario above happens: * You start implementing lots of cool stuff. * I turn into a jerk and stop merging it or revert it. * People see that your version has lots more features. * People run your version instead of mine. In any case, I am happy to put a link from the current WebPd site to your GitHub repository as soon as you make your first commit saying this is where the latest active development is now happening. Cheers, Chris. -- http://mccormick.cx/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Editing CSS style, make pd.info better? [WAS: puredata.info site design provocation]
Hi Marco, Love it! A couple of ideas (bike shed opinions only of course): * Larger fonts look friendlier. * How many people have ever clicked the print/email icons? My guess is somewhere close to zero. * RSS icon should look like one, and maybe bigger. * Like the idea of a big fat download button (example attached but don't use it as it's not mine). Kind of hilarious to imagine how users will feel after finding Pd through a lovely friendly pure-data.info site and then being confronted with Pd's blank canvas and then lines-and-boxes for the first time. ;) Cheers, Chris. On 03/07/2012 07:57 AM, Marco Donnarumma wrote: this is what I'm working on, started with the exhibition page, but it could be generalized. I only added now the background pattern of the ubuntu website, following on the ubuntu font by chris. This is only CSS editing, but I had to delete the navigation tab on the top from the html. I say so, because apparently it's easy to edit the plone css custom theme, but edit the structure might be more painful. Next I want to display images for each project and a slightly longer description. attached there's a screenshot.. M On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Marco Donnarumma de...@thesaddj.com mailto:de...@thesaddj.com wrote: Hey folks, I got my head around the CSS editing of PLONE. I can do the CSS job, the only downside is that it has to be done with Plone in development mode. This apparently would slow down the site a bit. However, fact is, if we modify a css class, this will affect the whole website. How should we handle this? Voting for the best style, collecting ideas, or I can join Chris and send over some styles I've been trying. It would be great to give a better look, at least to the extent that the css allows. M On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Marco Donnarumma de...@thesaddj.com mailto:de...@thesaddj.com wrote: Hi Chris, I'm glad you did that. It is what I'm also doing following the discussion in the past week about the website. However, apparently it's a pain to be able to change only the css in the plone template. I'm looking into that, if somebody is more experienced than me in Plone, give me a shout! But, yes, your is a good example of how the same website could look much friendlier. talk soon, M On 03/06/2012 10:35 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: The one thing I miss is the news section. Yeah for sure. It's probably a little too heavy for the frontpage, but how has webpd progressed? Is it possible to link that picture of a patch on the frontpage to a page with a webpd version of that patch? Yes but it almost certainly won't run and WebPd has no GUI. :) Maybe a simpler patch could work. Cheers, Chris. -- http://mccormick.cx/ -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com http://marcodonnarumma.com/ Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com http://res.marcodonnarumma.com/ | http://www.thesaddj.com http://www.thesaddj.com/ | http://www.flxer.net http://www.flxer.net/ Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net/ -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com http://marcodonnarumma.com/ Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com http://res.marcodonnarumma.com/ | http://www.thesaddj.com http://www.thesaddj.com/ | http://www.flxer.net http://www.flxer.net/ Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net/ -- http://mccormick.cx/ attachment: Download-Now-button.jpg___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pddroidparty netsend and netreceive
Hi Orm and Bérenger, I'm sorry to report that I tried several things but couldn't get libpd to receive broadcast UDP packets on Android. I tried adding some WiFi/network/multicast permissions to the apk, and also used WifiManager.MulticastLock to acquire the multicast lock, but these changes did not help. If anyone else has any suggestions I would love to hear them. In terms of debugging the multiple bang issue, you could try plugging your phone in by USB and running 'adb logcat' (from the Android SDK) to see what Pd is printing out on the console before it crashes. If you send me your patch I might find time to look at it. Cheers, Chris. On 03/02/2012 04:40 PM, Orm Finnendahl wrote: Hi Chris, just as a note: I've got it working in one direction (from phone to computer), but only with a metro object scheduling events. When I touch a bang object on the mobile to send a single message, this message arrives *many* times on the remote computer and pddroidparty crashes. The phone is a Samsung Galaxy and it might be an issue of the touch display. It's difficult to debug the behaviour on the phone as there is no pd window, but I thought, I'd let you know anyways. -- Orm Am Friday, den 02. March 2012 um 13:50:14 Uhr (+0800) schrieb Chris McCormick: Hi Orm, On 02/29/2012 07:41 PM, Orm Finnendahl wrote: Does anybody know about this issue or has anybody successfully established netconnections between pddroidparty and another computer and could give some advice? I would love to have this working for [netro] and I think I might have a fix. I will try to find some time to push out a new release soon with the possible fix for testing. Cheers, Chris. -- http://mccormick.cx/ -- http://mccormick.cx/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] WebPd - Need a small clarification
Hi Sébastien,
On 03/06/2012 03:04 PM, s p wrote:
I was wondering, what's the status of the project ?
Although I am often thinking about it, the project is effectively on
hiatus since I had a kid and moved on to other projects like
PdDroidParty and relaxing infront of the TV with a beer.
What are your plans?
My plan is to continue to merge patches from people who submit them. :)
Because there are many more changes and optimizations I'd like to
make. Mostly some Javascript stuff : better use of prototype for saving
memory, splitting the big fat file in several (probably using
require.js, or something like that), writing real unittests (probably
using QUnit) and then I can get a CI server to run them.
Sounds great!
In terms of splitting the big fat file, my preference would be for there
to be an option to download a monolithic pd.js to make the end-user's
life easier. This could easily be accomplished by a script on the
download section of the webpd website or by a Makefile in the project.
If you go ahead and split the file I am happy to take care of a way of
putting it back together again for the user. I would prefer not to use a
dependency on the client side.
Really the best thing would be if it worked like processing.js where the
user can include a single JS file and then party time.
Well, basically, I'm very motivated to push this project forward. So how
should we handle that ? Are you still active ? Would you like to give me
admin rights on the github repo, or should I just fork (as a different
project) to go my way ?
Great to hear somebody motivated wants to work on this.
I would love to remain active in so far as maintaining, and creating a
proper website for the project and to continue to merge patches into my
branch, and also maybe to help with architecture issues as they arise. I
think the best way forward is if you fork and go for it, and issue pull
requests, or if that's too much of a hassle I can watch your fork and
merge things as you do them.
This is already how I have been working with the great patches from
Brandon and Spencer over the last couple of years. They each moved the
project forward nicely with a whole bunch of objects and changes.
The webpd site really needs a makeover and I can commit to doing that
and general maintenance tasks on the project.
In terms of what needs doing in pd.js itself, I think the following are
the most important (this is a general summary of TODO.txt with some
other stuff I just thought of):
* Architecture issue - connection fanning should be supported
(connecting multiple wires to a single audio inlet). This means that
inlet and outlet data structures should become an array instead of a
pointer to a single object.
* fix [random] and [noise~] to use Pd's exact algorithm.
* pd.receive() callback registration which should work a bit like
libpd's - a [send x] in Pd should be caught with: pd.receive(x,
function(msg) { console.log(msg); });.
* Add an AudioDriver entry for Chromium browser. There is a new audio
API in Chromium to use for that. This would give us major browser coverage.
* More testing of the flash AudioDriver fallback. This is reported to
work in Safari but I would also like to make sure it works in Internet
Explorer. I had been trying to support ie6 and forwards but maybe I am
being a little too conservative on that and ie8 is probably sufficient
in the modern internet. But hell, if it works on ie6 too we win at internet.
* Architecture issue - abstractions and subpatches should work. At the
moment only a single patch can be run at a time. This one is probably
difficult, but maybe not so much if you modularize things out into
separate files.
* Lots more unit tests!
In general my philosophy with WebPd is to try to get everything as
[sample] accurate and close as possible to the behaviour of real Pd.
That way a user can rely on their patches running in the same way online
after authoring them in Pd.
My other philosophy is to have it run with as few dependencies as
possible. For example, it should not depend upon jQuery or prototype.js
or anything like that. It's not so hard to re-implement things like Ajax
GET as you can see from the code. Core Pd itself has very few
dependencies and I really like that about it. It helps a lot with
portability. Which is another thing - the more browsers this runs on,
the better!
At the end of the day I guess it's kind of obvious that if there was a
way to make a patch in Pd and then put that patch on a website for as
many people as possible to play with, we all win. So all of the above is
just detail if you share that same basic vision.
Go nuts!
Cheers,
Chris.
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Re: [PD] WebPd - Need a small clarification
On 03/06/2012 03:31 PM, s p wrote: Staying with your github repo as master (in which case it would be good to have admin rights) ? Creating a new repo ? Because that would be cool to have on repo that people can trustfully get the last version from. Yep, gotcha. Why don't we try it with a fork and my merging pull requests. If that turns out to be too slow/annoying I am happy to give you commit rights. Or if you are really moving the project forward and I am holding things back you can become maintainer to do what you like. :) Cheers, Chris. -- http://mccormick.cx/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] puredata.info site design provocation
On 03/06/2012 10:35 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: The one thing I miss is the news section. Yeah for sure. It's probably a little too heavy for the frontpage, but how has webpd progressed? Is it possible to link that picture of a patch on the frontpage to a page with a webpd version of that patch? Yes but it almost certainly won't run and WebPd has no GUI. :) Maybe a simpler patch could work. Cheers, Chris. -- http://mccormick.cx/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pddroidparty netsend and netreceive
Hi Orm, On 02/29/2012 07:41 PM, Orm Finnendahl wrote: Does anybody know about this issue or has anybody successfully established netconnections between pddroidparty and another computer and could give some advice? I would love to have this working for [netro] and I think I might have a fix. I will try to find some time to push out a new release soon with the possible fix for testing. Cheers, Chris. -- http://mccormick.cx/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] no pd?? WTF ????
On 01/06/2012 02:11 PM, ydego...@gmail.com wrote: Chris McCormick wrote: On 01/05/2012 01:04 PM, ydego...@gmail.com wrote: Chris McCormick wrote: On 01/04/2012 03:36 PM, ydego...@gmail.com wrote: productivity? that's what we should hate... fuck yes! i define success as not working, and i live like a king. (nofx) hey chris, i'm droiding party, i see it as the major kewl thing in pd these past years sooo great keep the good work ... I'm glad you are enjoying the port of Pd. Thank you very much for CC'ing the list with my private message and outing me as a closet capitalism-hating punk. bah you know it's no secret and an honour for you, but if i missed the point, are they any capitalist-loving people on this list ? hum ok maybe... I must say I hate money, but it’s the lack of it that I hate most. Katherine Mansfield i'd like to think people make things because they like to do it, not because they are pushed and oppressed by market needs that's what we meant no? Yeh, I know what you mean. I guess we all can't help being pushed by the market. I think these are the reasons I write Software Libre: * I like the feeling when my peers tell me what I am doing is cool (so thank you for that, Yves!). * I think something would be fun/cool to do. * I think I might profit in some way from doing something (either directly earning money or later employment). * Traveling and meeting interesting people at conferences is awesome. Well thanks very much to you and everyone else who said nice things. Cheers, Chris. -- http://mccormick.cx/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] no pd?? WTF ????
On 01/05/2012 01:04 PM, ydego...@gmail.com wrote: Chris McCormick wrote: On 01/04/2012 03:36 PM, ydego...@gmail.com wrote: productivity? that's what we should hate... fuck yes! i define success as not working, and i live like a king. (nofx) hey chris, i'm droiding party, i see it as the major kewl thing in pd these past years sooo great keep the good work ... Hi Yves, I'm glad you are enjoying the port of Pd. Thank you very much for CC'ing the list with my private message and outing me as a closet capitalism-hating punk. http://mccormick.cx/gfx/cas405-180bpm.gif Cheers, Chris. -- http://mccormick.cx/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] get method for Pd
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 05:21:29AM -0800, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: - Original Message - From: Andy Farnell padawa...@obiwannabe.co.uk To: pd-list@iem.at Cc: Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 8:12 AM Subject: Re: [PD] get method for Pd How about [; pd get self rcv-name( Not sure I understand this one-- what comes out of [r rcv-name] here? -Jonathan Dumps itself. Once I wanted to get Pd patches to print themselves, can't remember how it was solved now, but the above would have been quite clear. I think what Andy means here is the actual text of the patch itself as you would find by looking at the .pd file in a text editor. e.g. #N canvas 218 94 842 634 10; #X obj 63 84 t a a; #X obj 63 241 spigot; #X obj 102 149 bang; #X obj 102 168 1; #X obj 223 149 route bang; #X obj 183 150 bang; ... Making 'self' a settable property would open up all kinds of lovely madness! Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] get method for Pd
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:45:57PM -0800, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Hm, how about this: [info symbol] where symbol is pd for pd, an array name, subpatch or abstraction name, the receive symbol of an iemgui, or no args for this canvas the only inlet takes: get attribute to output an attribute value(s) message get to get a sequence of all attribute value(s) messages symbol receive-symbol to set a new receive symbol pointer to set it to query a scalarpointer-to-head-of-list to query a particular canvas It might be too complex with that many disparate classes, but it sure would simplify the process of getting pure data :) I think DesireData had a facility for receiving error messages back into the patch. While we are thinking about this type of thing, what about [info errors] or [info console] which outputs everything that goes to console or all errors generated by Pd? Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] do you know what time it is party time
Hi all, PdDroidParty (Pure Data for Android with emulated GUIs) is online again: http://droidparty.net/ Sorry i have not replied to anybody's emails since my server crashed and burned. Hope to catch up soon! Beep beep crunch beep, Chris. http://mccormick.cx/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] do you know what time it is party time
Hi Hans, I hope any revenue you generate from Pd work, using PdDroidParty or otherwise, goes towards helping your own continued work on pd-extended. That would make me happiest and I think it would be of most use to the community since that project has many more users. I made sure the license I chose for PdDroidParty allows people to fork it and sell their own creations in the market for profit, and that is why there are instructions for doing that on the home page. If that means more people can spend more time contributing to Pd I will be stoked! I will put a donate button on the PdDroidParty homepage for people who want to contribute in that way. Thanks for the kind thought! Cheers, Chris. On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:54:52AM -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Awesome, thanks Chris! I hope to bang out some apps for the marketplace soon, then hopefully generate some revenue to sponsor your continued work on PdDroidParty :) .hc On Nov 15, 2011, at 3:21 AM, Chris McCormick wrote: Hi all, PdDroidParty (Pure Data for Android with emulated GUIs) is online again: http://droidparty.net/ Sorry i have not replied to anybody's emails since my server crashed and burned. Hope to catch up soon! Beep beep crunch beep, Chris. http://mccormick.cx/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list kill your television ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PdDroidParty v154 (+ CanOfBeats)
the server is down wind through trees; ripples on pond all data is gone :( On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: Aw, was going to play with this during the patching circle, but the site seems to be down... .hc On Oct 7, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Chris McCormick wrote: Hey All, The first Pd app based on the PdDroidParty source is now in the Android Marketplace. It's a re-boot of my old patch CanOfBeats, with a nicer interface and some features people were asking for like loading and saving: https://market.android.com/details?id=cx.mccormick.canofbeats So that is basically just a Pd patch packaged up and turned into a standalone Android app. The source code is nearly identical to the original PdDroidParty source. PdDroidParty release 154 is now online here, with instructions for how to do that for your own Pd patches: http://mccormick.cx/projects/PdDroidParty/ Have fun! Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Android latency tester
Hi all, In an effort to discover which Android devices are going to be best to run Pd on, here is an app and a page you can help contribute to. Please test your Android device and submit the outcome! :) http://puredata.info/AndroidLatency Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] PdDroidParty v154 (+ CanOfBeats)
Hey All, The first Pd app based on the PdDroidParty source is now in the Android Marketplace. It's a re-boot of my old patch CanOfBeats, with a nicer interface and some features people were asking for like loading and saving: https://market.android.com/details?id=cx.mccormick.canofbeats So that is basically just a Pd patch packaged up and turned into a standalone Android app. The source code is nearly identical to the original PdDroidParty source. PdDroidParty release 154 is now online here, with instructions for how to do that for your own Pd patches: http://mccormick.cx/projects/PdDroidParty/ Have fun! Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] very compressed chip sounds
http://countercomplex.blogspot.com/2011/10/algorithmic-symphonies-from-one-line-of.html Surely we can do stuff like this in Pd? Smallest Pd patch that makes an interesting tune? Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] PdDroidParty in Pd SVN
Hey Hans, I want to start pushing PdDroidParty src into Pd's SVN. Is that ok? Where should I put it in the tree? Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PdDroidParty in Pd SVN
Hi Hans, Yep, I am using bazaar, which can use SVN sub-trees as a storage back-end. I am currently hosting it on the PdDroidParty site on my server, but I thought it might be good to have the code also in the SVN as it is part of the Pd ecosystem (and for redundancy too). I am happy to continue maintaining it in my own repo though. Because bzr is a DVCS I can still merge stuff from other contributors and retain their information in the commit log. Oh well, sorry for the noise! Cheers, Chris. Its fine by me. But perhaps there is a better place for it. If I remember correctly, you were using bazaar. Sourceforge supports bazaar, so you could use that. I think it would make the most sense to have it in its own repo, whether on Sourceforge or elsewhere, whether on SVN or bzr. Then it is easy to manage the list of committers. .hc On Oct 5, 2011, at 10:54 PM, Chris McCormick wrote: Hey Hans, I want to start pushing PdDroidParty src into Pd's SVN. Is that ok? Where should I put it in the tree? Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Keyboard shortcuts for nudge, done editing
Hi, On 26/09/11 12:54, Marvin Humphrey wrote: Well, controlling entities for open source projects have to be responsive to their communities. If they are not, they get forked, or people move on to other things. I would say controlling entity is the least accurate description of Miller I have heard. Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PdDroidParty v126
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 03:08:21PM +0800, Chris McCormick wrote: http://mccormick.cx/projects/PdDroidParty/ http://mccormick.cx/projects/PdDroidParty/PdDroidParty.png Sorry, this feature is undocumented. I will document it soon hopefully, but in the mean time you can check droidparty-tests/svg-widgets/ to see how it works. The SVG-widgets feature is now documented on the website. Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] speaker recognition with pd ?
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 09:33:59AM +0800, Chris McCormick wrote: On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 07:42:54PM +0200, g...@itchybit.org wrote: The task would be to identify from a live-talk the voice of the current speaker amongst several. Training before is also possible .. i guess this could be done for sure by utilizing a simple neural network trained on a FFT docemposition of the voices.. so there must be some software out for sure... You will probably need this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel-frequency_cepstrum The problem you are describing is incredibly difficult. I just realised that you are probably not talking about overlapping voices, which is orders of magnitude more difficult than sequential voices. Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PdDroidParty v126
Hi Pierre, On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 09:06:12AM +0200, Pierre Massat wrote: I couldn't test it yesterday because Eclipse still complains about missing PdUtils... I will try to update my copy of libpd soon. I think mostly the references to PdUtils need to be replaced with references to PdBase. You could fix it and submit a patch. Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PdDroidParty Load and save...
Hi Pierre, On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 09:40:55AM +0200, Pierre Massat wrote: Incidentally, I tried importing the source code in Eclipse in order to run PdDroidParty on a virtual device, but I get errors (I think Pdutils is now missing in PdCore, plus some other errors). Ah, I use the command line to compile with 'ant' so I don't know much about the eclipse issues, but I will try upgrading my copy of libpd some time and see if the PdUtils thing can be fixed some how. Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PdDroidParty Load and save...
Hi András, On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 02:33:09PM +0200, András Murányi wrote: On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 08:03, Chris McCormick ch...@mccormick.cx wrote: It should work on Android 2.2 as that is my current testing device's OS version. Sorry if i'm getting it wrong - is it that you currently need a physical device to test? No, I have a device again now. I had to go through a couple of phones though as I accidentally bought one which does not support logging (!) and had to return it. Note to anyone interested in doing Android development, do not get the Huawei U8650 Sonic as it lacks that logging facility! Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] PdDroidParty v126
Hi all! I have uploaded v126 of PdDroidParty here: http://mccormick.cx/projects/PdDroidParty/ The biggest new feature is SVG theming of widgets + fonts: http://mccormick.cx/projects/PdDroidParty/PdDroidParty.png Sorry, this feature is undocumented. I will document it soon hopefully, but in the mean time you can check droidparty-tests/svg-widgets/ to see how it works. I need to get a couple of apps based on this into the Android Market so I can pay for my daughter's banana milk rusk habit, and then I will document it. ;) Have fun! Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PdDroidParty v126
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 02:40:34PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Looks very nice, I hope you have a lot of success in the Android market, so you can give your daughter what she wants as well as make a living doing Pd :) :D My two current apps are making about $20 per month total so there is a long way to go. On that topic, it's now trivially easy to use PdDroidParty to generate standalone apps from your Pd patches, assuming you have the Android SDK installed. Here are the steps: * Clone the source code with bazaar: bzr branch http://mccormick.cx/dev/PdDroidParty/ * Convert the app name to whatever you like: ./convert-app-name mysynth My Synthesizer * Replace your own icon 72x72 PNG icon over res/drawable/icon.png * Place your patch and files with a droidparty_main.pd in the patch subfolder. * Pack the patch subfolder into an Android zip resource: ./pack-patch * Install on your device for testing: ant install There are probably still bugs I need to work out but this works for me at the moment. Bug reports welcome! Cheers, Chris. On Sep 22, 2011, at 3:08 AM, Chris McCormick wrote: Hi all! I have uploaded v126 of PdDroidParty here: http://mccormick.cx/projects/PdDroidParty/ The biggest new feature is SVG theming of widgets + fonts: http://mccormick.cx/projects/PdDroidParty/PdDroidParty.png Sorry, this feature is undocumented. I will document it soon hopefully, but in the mean time you can check droidparty-tests/svg- widgets/ to see how it works. I need to get a couple of apps based on this into the Android Market so I can pay for my daughter's banana milk rusk habit, and then I will document it. ;) Have fun! Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list It is convenient to imagine a power beyond us because that means we don't have to examine our own lives., from The Idols of Environmentalism, by Curtis White --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PdDroidParty Load and save...
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 04:59:35PM +0200, András Murányi wrote: Ah you may be right. I've downloaded this thing called android-sdk-linux_x86 and it's practically an emulator. The emulator packaged with the Android SDK is the wonderful Qemu by Fabrice Bellard: http://wiki.qemu.org/Main_Page www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabrice_Bellard It is GPLv2. I have found testing audio stuff on Android is much better on a real device. Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] speaker recognition with pd ?
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 07:42:54PM +0200, g...@itchybit.org wrote: have some1 ever tried to do speaker recognition on *nix in any kind of software ? Im trying to find out if its possible to find at least rudimentary-working software that would be able to send data to pd ? The task would be to identify from a live-talk the voice of the current speaker amongst several. Training before is also possible .. i guess this could be done for sure by utilizing a simple neural network trained on a FFT docemposition of the voices.. so there must be some software out for sure... You will probably need this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel-frequency_cepstrum The problem you are describing is incredibly difficult. Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PdDroidParty Load and save...
Hi Pierre, It should work on Android 2.2 as that is my current testing device's OS version. Can you try droidparty-tests/loadsave/ and tell me if it works? What are the symptoms you are experiencing, and what do you expect to happen? Cheers, Chris. On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 02:07:13PM +0200, Pierre Massat wrote: Hi, I tried using the [loadsave] abstraction that Chris McCormick wrote for PdDroidParty yesterday. It doesn't work... Does anyone know if it is supposed to work with any version of Android? I think my girlfriend's phone uses 2.2. Cheers! Pierre ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd on Android
On Mon, Sep 05, 2011 at 11:39:37PM -0400, Peter Brinkmann wrote: On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Chris McCormick ch...@mccormick.cx wrote: On Mon, Sep 05, 2011 at 06:20:26PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: [shell] is in ggee and [system] is in motex, both of those use the Makefile Template, so they should be really easy to compile for Android. How are you installing externals with PdDroidParty? It'd be nice to have a simple, common folder to drop the whole library in, say something like /sdcard/pd-externals. Hm, that's a good idea, and then the user could put the externals they want in that folder themselves. I guess I just use libpd's command to add that folder to Pd's path? You'll probably need to copy the binaries to internal storage because /sdcard is mounted as noexec. I ran into that problem last year and it took me ages to make sense of the error message... Yikes, thanks for the heads-up! Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd on Android
On Mon, Sep 05, 2011 at 11:26:27PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Should be easy if you start with the code in Peter Brinkmann's ScenePlayer. Ah yes, great idea. I have noted this now. Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd on Android
Hi Pierre, Hi Chris, I tried PdDroidParty on my cousin's phone over the week-end. It's so easy to install and use it's scary. Thank you for sharing this! Great stuff, I'm glad it works easily for you. These kind words make me motivated to get the new release out ASAP! :) (My Android phone died last night unfortunately but I will try to buy a new one today as the new release is very close and I might just be able to fit it into the family budget with some stretching heheheh). Now two questions : - Do you plan on improving the GUI just a little bit? (I like the rough look of Pd's native GUI, but i think it'd be nice if we could have a little color on the sliders, bangs and toggles). Attached is a screenshot of what I am working on right now. You can theme the supported widgets with SVGs. E.g. an SVG image for toggle-on and a different one for toggle-off. You can have different SVGs according to labels and sendname too. So for example you could have all toggles themed with one look, and then give one toggle the send field of record themed differently with an SVG (Toggle-record-off.svg) that looks like a record button. - Can i use [shell] in Android in order to delete and create folders, and generally manage the tracks i record on the phone? I have made an abstraction called [loadsave] which wraps openpanel and savepanel in desktop Pd and lets you have a nice Android style interface on the device. That gives you a small amount of access to the filesystem, but not everything you mention. If you use the [menubutton] abstraction you can put things in the Android menu too. See the other screenshot for that. However, your question begs a larger one which is support for a limited number of externals. It would be cool to support [shell] and also the OSC externals in PdDroidParty, but it really depends on whether they have used Hans' Makefile-template which makes compiling for Android trivial. I will put this on the TODO list to investigate. In the end I would like to keep the number of externals as small as possible so that things work on vanilla Pd on the desktop, but if someone really needs something I am happy to look at putting it in. This is especially true if you get the PdDroidParty code checked out and do the work of making an external compile in yourself. :D Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx attachment: device-2011-08-30-100028.pngattachment: device-2011-08-30-101515.png___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd on Android
On Mon, Sep 05, 2011 at 06:20:26PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: [shell] is in ggee and [system] is in motex, both of those use the Makefile Template, so they should be really easy to compile for Android. How are you installing externals with PdDroidParty? It'd be nice to have a simple, common folder to drop the whole library in, say something like /sdcard/pd-externals. Hm, that's a good idea, and then the user could put the externals they want in that folder themselves. I guess I just use libpd's command to add that folder to Pd's path? Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd on Android
On Mon, Sep 05, 2011 at 02:49:41PM +0200, Pierre Massat wrote: I forgot to ask : can i use the tilt-sensor in PdDroidParty? Not yet, but it is on my TODO list. Also multitouch support, which people have requested too. Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file
On Sun, Sep 04, 2011 at 02:23:59PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: After looking at Jonathan's ratio splitting abstraction I think this might actually be possible with [makefilename] madness, but it's much uglier than what you propose: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2011-08/090196.html Definitely check out Bryan Jurish's moocow with its bytes2any and any2bytes. They work quite nicely for converting between messages and lists of byte floats and are easy to use. I only want to use externals that I can guarantee every user who I distribute my patches to will have, or can easily get, including people on mobile devices. Do those externals compile with your Makefile-template? Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-la Patching Circle/Workshop With Peter Kirn
On Fri, Sep 02, 2011 at 04:58:03PM -0700, Theron Trowbridge wrote: Peter is a musician, Create Digital Music blogger (http://createdigitalmusic.com/), and is involved in porting pdlib to Processing and the design of the hackable synthesizer, the MeeBlip (http://meeblip.noisepages.com/). On Thursday, September 8th, from 7-10 PM, Peter will be teaching a workshop about using pdlib within Processing. ... The patching circle meets at CRASHspace (10526 Venice Blvd, Culver City CA 90232) and is open and free to all. Donations to support CRASHspace are of course welcome. This should be excellent. Wish I could make it! Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] receiving messages in [expr] ?
On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 03:59:14PM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: You'll have to come up with a more phenomenological approach than picking whatever currently looks the most impredictable thing in the science book. Why? Randomness is epistemic. Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] receiving messages in [expr] ?
On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 07:38:32PM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Fri, 2 Sep 2011, Chris McCormick wrote: On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 03:59:14PM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: You'll have to come up with a more phenomenological approach than picking whatever currently looks the most impredictable thing in the science book. Why? Randomness is epistemic. What does that mean to you ? Epistemic: Adjective - Of or relating to knowledge or to the degree of its validation. It means I think that taking whatever currently looks the most impredictable thing in the science book is a good approach. Don't run a lottery with Miller's [noise~] unless you like giving away money. Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] receiving messages in [expr] ?
On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 07:48:26PM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Fri, 2 Sep 2011, Chris McCormick wrote: Epistemic: Adjective - Of or relating to knowledge or to the degree of its validation. It means I think that taking whatever currently looks the most impredictable thing in the science book is a good approach. Don't run a lottery with Miller's [noise~] unless you like giving away money. But in music, what is called noise has little to do with predictability of its samples, be it a snare drum sound, a white noise, or something from reality tv. Yes that's true. Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:19:46PM -0700, Miller Puckette wrote: I am in favour of having that functionality as part of [list] and those names look good to me. For the functionality you describe maybe something like [list ascii2symbol] and [list symbol2ascii]? Those would also be pretty useful! I am currently making a [split] abstraction based on Jamie's work. I will send it through when I am done - or you can just look at symbol2list's source which IOhannes has re-licensed in a message to this list for use in Pd: hmm... another possibility, as in lisp: list explode and list implode ? Also good! My idea is that, once this is in Pd vanilla, the 2/3 - 2 3 type of split is easy enough to program in an abstraction, but it's presently not possible at all; meanwhile, the funtionality I'm describing is pretty canonical and hard to split up into finer components in any way I can see. Ah, ok, so you could do: bat/cat/rat - 98 97 116 47 99 97 116 47 114 97 116 and then you would run through the number list finding 47 (/) and re-building the separate symbols using the reverse operation. I guess this would be cool because it would also allow you to store proper strings with all kinds of characters in regular Pd arrays, which might be fun. Hmmm, also many other things! easy enough to program in an abstraction, but it's presently not possible at all; After looking at Jonathan's ratio splitting abstraction I think this might actually be possible with [makefilename] madness, but it's much uglier than what you propose: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2011-08/090196.html Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] making puredata headphone-safe
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 12:59:39PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Aug 31, 2011, at 8:09 AM, Roman Haefeli wrote: I always had the feeling, that on OS X on MacBooks (Pro) the sound coming from the speakers is heavily processed. Audio sounds a lot 'punchier' than for example the same audio played on the same machine from Linux. I haven't had a chance to play around with it, since I don't own a MacBook, but from what Hans says, to me it sounds as the application output is not clipped to -1/1 before going to the (CoreAudio internal?) dynamics stage, but processed and limited first and only then sent to the speakers. This would also explain, why the setup Hans explained above would completely shutdown the sound output. Probably, if you wait long enough, sound would come back again, assuming that it's the limiter's release time, that becomes very long due to the very high level coming in... Yes, CoreAudio does do processing on the audio before outputting it. I forget all the details. Is this true of the iOS devices too? I always got the impression there was some mad compression going on there. I could just imagine Steve Jobs issuing a directive: My favorite crunk mp3s do not POP enough. Make everything POP more immediately. The resulting ear fatigue must explain why I get blank looks when I yell about how great GNU/Linux is to Apple users. Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd on Android
Hi, On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 06:00:12PM +0200, athos bacchiocchi wrote: 2011/8/31 Chris McCormick ch...@mccormick.cx As Michael Noble mentioned, I really think PdDroidParty could help you here. hey, that's really nice, thanks for sharing! I'm thinkering with it, is there a way to get data from the phone's accelerometer? No there isn't. Maybe this is something I should add. I will put it on the TODO list. Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file
Hi Miller, On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 01:21:29PM -0700, Miller Puckette wrote: belated response... how about 'list tosymbol' and 'list fromsymbol'? I.e. 98 97 116 - bat - 98 97 116 I don't think this would accomodate the same use-cases as zexy's [symbol2list] or the hypothetical [split]. It doesn't really help in the original ratio-parsing case which started this thread. I was thinking more of: (symbol) this/is/my/path/symbol.txt - (list) this is my path symbol.txt - (symbol) this/is/my/path/symbol.txt Or in the ratios case cited: 2/3 - 2 3 - 2/3 This would give it a great deal of general usefulness. I am in favour of having that functionality as part of [list] and those names look good to me. For the functionality you describe maybe something like [list ascii2symbol] and [list symbol2ascii]? Those would also be pretty useful! I am currently making a [split] abstraction based on Jamie's work. I will send it through when I am done - or you can just look at symbol2list's source which IOhannes has re-licensed in a message to this list for use in Pd: http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data/trunk/externals/zexy/src/symbol2list.c?revision=15284content-type=text%2Fplain http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data/trunk/externals/zexy/reference/symbol2list-help.pd?revision=15284 i hereby grant miller s. puckette (the authore of pure-data) the right to use (and modify) the code of zexy's symbol2list objectn to integrate it into puredata under the terms of the revised BSD license under which puredata is currently distributed. IOhannes - http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2011-08/090184.html Cheers, Chris. On Wed, Aug 03, 2011 at 10:45:24PM +0100, Andy Farnell wrote: On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 17:12:49 -0400 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: On Aug 3, 2011, at 3:29 PM, Andy Farnell wrote: On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 14:21:09 +0800 Chris McCormick ch...@mccormick.cx wrote: Would you consider adding a more generally useful [split] object I agree this would be a useful core object. What problems, if any, do you forsee? Would those outputs implicitly be symbols? Or would we venture the types in advance like [split f / f] to obtain two floats Turning the symbol 5/7 to a real number would then be [symbol 5/7( | [split f / f] |/ [/ ] | [number 0.714285] I think to fit with the Pd type system in general, it should automatically interpret things into floats and symbols (http://puredata.info/dev/PdDefinitions ): Pd Manual 2.1.2 The text is divided into atoms separated by white space. Atoms are either numbers or symbols like '+'. Pd Manual 2.1.2 Anything that is not a valid number is considered a symbol. That seems unambiguous. So I guess if you wanted your numbers as symbols, you'd explicitly convert them back to symbols. I used to use [symbol2list] a lot, so Iohannes suggestion is interesting. But could that split on an arbitary symbol like Chris suggests for the proposed [split] ? a. -- Andy Farnell padawa...@obiwannabe.co.uk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd on Android
Hi Pierre, On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 09:32:31AM +0200, Pierre Massat wrote: Now regarding my use of Pd in Android. I don't need to do anything fancy, all i'd like to develop for now is a small 2 or 4-track recorder, to help me work on my new songs in a more flexible way than with my old cassette recorder. So how should i go about it? Can i use ScenePlayer with a patch that does just that? Or should i develop my own native app in android using libpd (which is still very obscure to me at the moment)? As Michael Noble mentioned, I really think PdDroidParty could help you here. Bascially you can make your 4-track recorder in regular old Pd, then copy your 4-track recorder patch to your Android device's sdcard via USB or whatever, start PdDroidParty, et voilà. http://mccormick.cx/projects/PdDroidParty I genuinely beleive this is the easiest way to get your Pd patches running on Android. I am just about to do a new release of PdDroidParty which has a bunch of great stuff like SVG themable Pd widgets, and makes it easier to distribute your patch as a standalone Android app. Will post here when that happens. Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] receiving messages in [expr] ?
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 11:20:47PM +0200, Thomas Grill wrote: Am 25.08.2011 um 19:40 schrieb Andrew Faraday: you can't hear noise against noise :p Interesting - but then again, what is noise? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave_function_collapse Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] notes/questions from a beginner
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 03:09:04PM +0100, Stephen Lavelle wrote: click on the number box and type the numberbox. this is a runmode operation (that's why you probably missed it) Wow. Thanks for this. Possibly editmode, but also because there's no indication that the box contents are editable by pressing keys (no caret, c.). Is there a reason it's disabled in editmode? You can do it from editmode by ctrl-clicking the numberbox and then typing (ctrl key puts you in run mode while it is held down). Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] making puredata headphone-safe
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 06:48:05PM -0400, Martin Peach wrote: An [osc~] multiplied by will sound louder but it won't actually be louder than an osc multiplied by one (the amplitude at the output will still be between 1 and -1). I think it actually depends on your sound card whether or not this is true with Pd. I might be mistaken but I am pretty sure some sound cards will let you output abs(x) 1. Hmmm actually this doesn't make sense to me if the driver is accepting a 16 bit signed int. Can someone confirm whether this is the case? Incidentally, if I recall correctly, Miller told me that he uses a set of small, cheap speakers when doing experimental stuff so as to save ear damage. At least I think it was Miller. My own ears are a lost cause after years of punk gigs so I don't have this problem. Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file
Hi Miller, On Tue, Aug 02, 2011 at 09:35:14PM -0700, Miller Puckette wrote: Nope... there needs to be a string-to-binary-list-and-back function somewhere but I can't figure out what to name it :) Would you consider adding a more generally useful [split] object to Pd for this type of thing? Something like this is present in Perl, Python, Javascript, etc. It has two inlets and one argument. The right inlet and argument both specify the character or sequence of characters (symbol) to split the incoming symbol on. The left inlet accepts a symbol and the single outlet outputs a list, which is the symbol that came in, split into a list of atoms using the specified character or symbol as a divider. On Wed, Aug 03, 2011 at 01:26:21AM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: now, some files come in ratios as one symbol like this 5/4 3/2 7/4 Here you would use [split /] and filter those atoms like 5/4 through to get lists like 5 4. This would make a whole bunch of behaviour possible in Pd that is currently only possible with externals. Hm, I should just contribute a patch. Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd Convention - Data structures workshop: Taking your requests
On Tue, Aug 02, 2011 at 03:02:47PM -0700, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: If you look at the canvas get method I added to the tracker, you'll see I have a get parent RECEIVE-SYMBOL message that returns a pointer to the parent canvas (or a zero if there isn't one). This allows you to: [bng] | [f $0] | [get parent $1-rcv] | [s pd-$0-mysubpatch] [r $0-rcv] | [route parent] | [route 0] | [pointer] Now [pointer] is pointing at the parent of [pd $0-mysubpatch], so if I immediately follow this by sending the message send-window obj 20 20 clip to [pointer], I get a [clip] object on it's parent. That's just a silly example, but notice it's different than sending to pd-PATCH-FILENAME.pd, which would draw a [clip] on every instance of that patch that is open. Put this in an abstraction and it obsoletes [namecanvas]. Or create an abstraction to climb to the root, or the toplevel, etc. Amazing! Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file
On Wed, Aug 03, 2011 at 09:34:50AM +0200, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: On 2011-08-03 08:21, Chris McCormick wrote: Hm, I should just contribute a patch. you could also just take the code of zexy's [symbol2list] object. it does exactly what you describe. PS: i hereby grant miller s. puckette (the authore of pure-data) the right to use (and modify) the code of zexy's symbol2list objectn to integrate it into puredata under the terms of the revised BSD license under which puredata is currently distributed. What do you reckon, Miller? Would it help if I did the aforementioned work of integrating it and submitting a nice clean patch with helpfile and all? Heck, I will just do it and see. Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Redis sync, async and subscriber client: Puredis
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 09:27:39AM -0400, Louis-Philippe wrote: I'm still quite new to the Pure Data world, so please be indulgent to my first hacked external offering: puredis. Any of you heard of Redis? http://antirez.com/post/redis-manifesto.html Hi, Very cool, thanks for sharing! Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] PdDroidParty v97 release
Hi, v97 includes the following internals emulated (not feature complete but the basics work): comment, numberbox, numberbox2, sliders, toggle, bang, canvas. The following special abstractions are also natively emulated on the device. You can find out more about these in droidparty-abstractions/_OVERVIEW.pd: [wordbutton] - It's like a bang, but on the device it is a box with a word in it. [numberbox] - It's like a numberbox, but on the device it stretches to fit a rectangle. (better layout). [taplist] - Lets the user tap through a list of symbols/floats to select one. [touch] - Kaospad style 2d touch surface. [menubang] - Puts an entry into the application menu which sends a bang when he user selects it. Optional icon is called menubang-.png where is the name of your menubang. [loadsave] - Wraps an openpanel/savepanel type of interface into a single abstraction that lets the user specify or choose filenames on Android (works well with sssad). http://mccormick.cx/projects/PdDroidParty/ Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] iphone or android for pd?
Hi Ronni, On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 06:47:23AM -0700, ronni montoya wrote: Hi, i was wondering which mobile phone do you recommend for working with pd and rjdj? Should i get an iphone? What do you recommend me? If you are most interested in RjDj, you should get an iThing. If you are interested in greater freedom and hackability you should get an Android device. It is easier to make your own non-RjDj Pd-based applications and distribute them to users on Android than it is on iPhone for example. Peter Brinkmann's ScenePlayer application for Android does basically what the RjDj application does on iPhone, but it does not feature the same connectivity to the official RjDj universe and might not be 100% feature-complete with all RjDj patches (although as far as I can tell it runs the scenes that I have tried very well). Of course, there are other things you might consider apart from Pd when buying a smart phone, but you can find all of the politics and opinions you like on this topic so I won't write anything here. :) Freedom, freedom, freedom, oi, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] iphone or android for pd?
Cheers, Andy! Here is the link: http://mccormick.cx/projects/PdDroidParty/ Chris. On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 10:49:22AM +0100, Andy Farnell wrote: Have a look at the droid party port by Chis McCormick. It's not as flexible and complete as rjdj, but because you are not locked in (or out) of a system devised for Apples benefit, not yours, it has greater potential for creative ideas in the long run. On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 11:34:22 +0200 Charles Goyard c...@fsck.fr wrote: Hi, ronni montoya wrote: Hi, i was wondering which mobile phone do you recommend for working with pd and rjdj? Should i get an iphone? What do you recommend me? I would recommend an open source/free software operating system. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Andy Farnell padawa...@obiwannabe.co.uk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] iphone or android for pd?
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 08:02:31PM +0800, Chris McCormick wrote: Hi Ronni, On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 06:47:23AM -0700, ronni montoya wrote: Hi, i was wondering which mobile phone do you recommend for working with pd and rjdj? Should i get an iphone? What do you recommend me? Freedom, freedom, freedom, oi, As a fundamentalist cheapskate, I have to also point out that it's possible to get an Android phone for $99 that runs Pd. My wife's phone, the Huawei Ideos, is $99 AUD out of contract and it runs PdDroidParty's drum machine demo flawlessly. Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Controlling pd patch from mobile phone
On Sat, Jul 09, 2011 at 09:14:25AM +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: You probably need to know the IP-number of your computer, though. [netsend] now does broadcast UDP so I don't think this is true. For example [netro] works automagically on the systems I have tested it on. http://code.google.com/p/pd-netro/ Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PdDroidParty v72
On Fri, Jul 08, 2011 at 05:14:03PM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Fri, 8 Jul 2011, Chris McCormick wrote: PdDroidParty is libpd under the hood, which is vanilla Pd. Basically anything which works in Miller's Pd should work in PdDroidParty (although not every GUI is fully emulated yet, and there are restrictions on patching style - you have to use send/receive instead of directly connecting GUIs). Do you mean that it's doing something different than just -nogui in vanilla ? AFAIK, there are no differences between the g_*.c files in libpd and those in vanilla. But I do remember seeing that GUI classes in ZenGarden were just throwing away all messages they received. Perhaps you are thinking about this ? What I mean by not every GUI is fully emulated yet is that my Android/Java code, which draws an emulation of the tcl/tk GUIs of the built-ins on the device, does not have coverage of every object yet and does not have coverage of all features of the objects that it does emulate. The built-in GUI objects from g_*.c are still running in -nogui mode exactly as they do in vanilla Pd. Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] PdDroidParty v72
Hello, PdDroidParty v72 is available here: http://mccormick.cx/projects/PdDroidParty/ It emulates some new built-in GUIS and some abstractions like [touch w h sendname], which is a 2d touch surface. Enjoy. Ouch, I have a headache, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PdDroidParty v72
Hi Pedro, I hope you don't mind me posting this back to the list. On Thu, Jul 07, 2011 at 04:11:05PM +0100, Pedro Lopes wrote: Also I wanted to ask you this: how tough would it be to have multi-touch support? (just dreaming a bit maybe). Yes! That would be awesome. Let's get this thing all Lemur-ed up. I have no multitouch device myself but I will figure out what this means in the code and send you an updated build to test some time, hopefully soon. It's in the TODO list! :) By the way, what happens now if you e.g. try to slide two sliders at once? Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PdDroidParty v72
Hi Patrick, On Thu, Jul 07, 2011 at 10:29:20PM +, Pagano, Patrick wrote: Will droid party work with udpsend? As Pedro said, yep. PdDroidParty is libpd under the hood, which is vanilla Pd. Basically anything which works in Miller's Pd should work in PdDroidParty (although not every GUI is fully emulated yet, and there are restrictions on patching style - you have to use send/receive instead of directly connecting GUIs). I am now also bundling a few abstractions on the website (droidparty-abstractions.zip) and most those are also emulated in PdDroidParty's GUI. This means you can put e.g. a 2d [touch] surface in your patch in vanilla Pd and also have it show up in PdDroidParty on your device (i.e. kaospad). I am also working on [menubang] which is a bang in Pd that gets it's own menu entry on the device and a bang is sent when it is pressed - good for saving patch parameters for example. Another one I am using a bit is called [wordbutton] which is a bang in Pd that shows up as a button with a word on it on the device. My aim is to really make things work exactly the same way whether you are developing on your PC or playing on your device. Hopefully write once, run everywhere - every device that is. This was born out of a frustration with trying to port patches to the RjDj platform and having to build my own GUIs there from images and #touch events. http://mccormick.cx/projects/PdDroidParty At some point I expect it to be trivial to package up Pd patches as standalone Android applications. Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Extracting RGB components of iemgui's
Hello, Despite reading several posts in the archive and the source code in g_all_guis.c I am embarrassed to say that I am completely stumped by the problem of extracting the individual RGB components from the IEM saved color value in the .pd file, as ints between 0 and 255. What I am doing (in the case where the saved value is negative) is: iemcolor = -1 - iemcolor; r = (iemcolor 0x3f000) 14; g = (iemcolor 0xfc0) 4; b = (iemcolor 0x3f) 2; I would really appreciate it if someone gave me the opportunity to facepalm by illustraing the simple mistake in my approach. Cheers! Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Extracting RGB components of iemgui's
Hi Mathieu. On Sun, Jul 03, 2011 at 01:36:50PM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Sun, 3 Jul 2011, Chris McCormick wrote: Despite reading several posts in the archive and the source code in g_all_guis.c I am embarrassed to say that I am completely stumped by the problem of extracting the individual RGB components from the IEM saved color value in the .pd file, as ints between 0 and 255. as a reference, [#to_iem] supports both iem colour formats, the 18-bit format for files, and the 24-bit format for messages. Such a patch is very simple : http://gridflow.ca/svn/trunk/abstractions/%23to_iem.pd http://gridflow.ca/help/%23to_iem-help.html But it does the opposite conversion of what you are trying to do. Thanks for the tip. I did have a look at [#to_iem] as well but all examples and documentation on this topic seems to be around converting to IEM numbers as you point out. What I am doing (in the case where the saved value is negative) is: iemcolor = -1 - iemcolor; r = (iemcolor 0x3f000) 14; g = (iemcolor 0xfc0) 4; b = (iemcolor 0x3f) 2; this is the 18 bit iem format that you are trying to convert to a 3*8 bit component format. You are correctly extracting blue and green, where the shift is 0*6-2 for blue, 1*6-2 for green, but it has to be 2*6-2 for red. For the 24 bit iem format, instead, you have to shift by 0*8, 1*8, 2*8. -2 is the difference between 6 bits per component and 8 bits per component. Note that those conversions scale in a crude way, such that 63 is scaled to 252, instead of the maximum 255. If you want to scale more appropriately to fill the whole range, you need to post-process those components a little bit(s) : r = r | (r6) g = g | (g6) b = b | (b6) Ah, this is great. Thanks for this information! One last thing I am confused about is how I can tell the difference between the 18 bit iem format and the 24 bit format? In g_all_guis.c I can only see a check for positive/negative numbers. Also, what is the iemgui_modulo_color() function all about? I have implemented it for consistency but I don't understand why it is there. Thanks for your help. Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] PdDroidParty - now with [bng]
Hi, There is a new version of PdDroidParty (Pd with emulated GUIs for Android) online - now with bang support. http://mccormick.cx/projects/PdDroidParty Have fun! Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] 2d touch abstraction
Hi, For the PdDroidParty GUI I wanted to support some kind of 2d touch surface in patches so I made this little GOP datastructure abstraction. Hopefully this is useful to someone else. Support for this should hopefully be in the app soon! Instantiate it in an object box like this: [touch x-size y-size receiver-name] Cheers, Chris. touch.pd Description: Binary data ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] CVs
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 09:51:23AM +0800, Chris McCormick wrote: On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 09:15:01PM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Mon, 20 Jun 2011, Andy Farnell wrote: What Plato tried to address in thought, like Godel in logic was that we are incomplete, if there is universality, a one, a good, and there is an I to observe it, but still be of the one, it must invoke a third concept, an existential relation. And that's where the tear begins. Here in the 21st Century the wound still bleeds. Is it bleeding or is that just something said from the perspective of innocence, as if in a previous world, logic would have been complete ? If a complete and consistent self-referential logic system is impossible, then this is something that has to be accepted as having been always true, and our conception of the world has to be rebraided according to that truth. It's not useful to keep holding an old ideal of universality that looks like a measuring stick with which we assess an increasing rift between our fantasies and the consciousness of our own limits. Gödel in the Garden of Eden bites into the fruit of [...] and it all went downhill from there. ;) Oh I just Kant take any more of this. Look, I know it's a terrible joke but at least Immanuel. Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] CVs
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 09:15:01PM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Mon, 20 Jun 2011, Andy Farnell wrote: What Plato tried to address in thought, like Godel in logic was that we are incomplete, if there is universality, a one, a good, and there is an I to observe it, but still be of the one, it must invoke a third concept, an existential relation. And that's where the tear begins. Here in the 21st Century the wound still bleeds. Is it bleeding or is that just something said from the perspective of innocence, as if in a previous world, logic would have been complete ? If a complete and consistent self-referential logic system is impossible, then this is something that has to be accepted as having been always true, and our conception of the world has to be rebraided according to that truth. It's not useful to keep holding an old ideal of universality that looks like a measuring stick with which we assess an increasing rift between our fantasies and the consciousness of our own limits. Gödel in the Garden of Eden bites into the fruit of [...] and it all went downhill from there. ;) Oh I just Kant take any more of this. Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] RJDJ,sceneplayer Xoom
Hi Joe, On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 01:59:44PM +0100, Joe White wrote: Couldn't we just update the [rj_image] external in the ScenePlayer on Android to accept any sized image? Sure, but then scenes you make and run with ScenePlayer would be incompatible with RjDj on iOS. There are other things to be taken into account too, like what happens if your user has a tablet with a different aspect ratio? How should images be stretched etc.? A fixed 320x320 bitmap is not a great starting point to make things more flexible and still look good. Basically you have to break the existing RjDj format if you want those features. With PdDroidParty I am going to provide a facility to bundle SVGs (Scalable Vector Graphic) for your patch background and for each GUI type in order to theme them. I was also thinking about 9-patch graphics[1]. Hopefully this means that patches with fancy graphics will look reasonable on all devices. I am some way off from doing that though, and I may run out of steam before I get to it. :) Cheers, Chris. [1] http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/tools/draw9patch.html --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
