Re: [PD] Wich licence?
Right, I put GPL license, I think it is the best for this project. I uploaded it here: http://puredata.hurleur.com/viewtopic.php?pid=40358#p40358 You can see MEH-SYSTEM on stage and with full success, here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckKg_rS5ezQ Thanks everybody! On 16/02/14 02:03, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: On 02/15/2014 03:14 PM, olm-e wrote: On 15/02/14 20:53, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote: Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 16:52:58 -0300 From: Mario Mey mario...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PD] Wich licence? To: pd-list@iem.at Message-ID: 52ffc59a.4030...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 14/02/14 15:45, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: How would that be any different than spyware? -Jonathan Haha! Good point! Thanks everybody for the answers. I took a look to Matt Davey's DIY2 effects and he put no license txt file on its folder. Maelstorm mmb libraries have no license too... My patch is for everyone who wants to use it or learn with it. If someone finally uses MEH-SYSTEM or a modified version of it in stage or for a video or whatever... I would like to know it... only that! Maybe I leave it as is. Saying nothing about license... Skim the Wikipedia pages for GPL and 3-clause BSD, choose the one you prefer, and then you're done. Otherwise you create potential work for anyone who may have a use for your software to figure out what the terms of use and distribution are. It's probably not a big deal for a particular piece of software, and there are plenty of Pd patches out there that don't specify anything. But when you take, say, everything that exists on Github, the lack of licenses probably leads to busywork that eats up measurable amounts of time and effort. -Jonathan -- Hello, having no licence is probably not a good idea, as it's like enforcing the default copyright rules that basically give no rights at all ... (lots of code are practically not legaly usable on github for that reason f.ex.) the best would be IMHO to put it in (L)GPL and gently ask to downloaders to report use as a courtesy on the download page... have a good day, Ol. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Wich licence? (MEH-SYSTEM on OSX)
create routeOSC /z ... couldn't create routeOSC /z ... couldn't create routeOSC /z ... couldn't create routeOSC /z ... couldn't create routeOSC /z ... couldn't create routeOSC /z ... couldn't create routeOSC /z ... couldn't create routeOSC /0 /1 /2 /3 /4 /5 /6 /7 ... couldn't create routeOSC /z ... couldn't create routeOSC /fxDepth /hold /xy /xtoggle /fxgroup-select /fx-select ... couldn't create routeOSC /z ... couldn't create routeOSC /1 ... couldn't create line-int.pd 26 0 25 2 (trigger-line) connection failed line-int.pd 26 0 25 2 (trigger-line) connection failed line-int.pd 26 0 25 2 (trigger-line) connection failed ipoke2~ $0-bank-array-r ... couldn't create ipoke2~ $0-bank-array-l ... couldn't create ipoke2~ $0-bank-array-r ... couldn't create ipoke2~ $0-bank-array-l ... couldn't create ipoke2~ $0-bank-array-r ... couldn't create ipoke2~ $0-bank-array-l ... couldn't create ipoke2~ $0-bank-array-r ... couldn't create ipoke2~ $0-bank-array-l ... couldn't create ipoke2~ $0-bank-array-r ... couldn't create ipoke2~ $0-bank-array-l ... couldn't create ipoke2~ $0-bank-array-r ... couldn't create ipoke2~ $0-bank-array-l ... couldn't create ipoke2~ $0-bank-array-r ... couldn't create ipoke2~ $0-bank-array-l ... couldn't create expr divide by zero detected expr divide by zero detected expr divide by zero detected expr divide by zero detected expr divide by zero detected expr divide by zero detected expr divide by zero detected expr divide by zero detected expr divide by zero detected expr divide by zero detected expr divide by zero detected expr divide by zero detected expr divide by zero detected expr divide by zero detected expr divide by zero detected expr divide by zero detected expr divide by zero detected expr divide by zero detected expr divide by zero detected expr divide by zero detected expr divide by zero detected expr divide by zero detected expr divide by zero detected expr divide by zero detected expr divide by zero detected expr divide by zero detected expr divide by zero detected expr divide by zero detected error: signal outlet connect to nonsignal inlet (ignored) ... you might be able to track this down from the Find menu. error: signal outlet connect to nonsignal inlet (ignored) error: signal outlet connect to nonsignal inlet (ignored) error: signal outlet connect to nonsignal inlet (ignored) error: signal outlet connect to nonsignal inlet (ignored) error: signal outlet connect to nonsignal inlet (ignored) error: signal outlet connect to nonsignal inlet (ignored) error: signal outlet connect to nonsignal inlet (ignored) error: signal outlet connect to nonsignal inlet (ignored) error: signal outlet connect to nonsignal inlet (ignored) error: signal outlet connect to nonsignal inlet (ignored) error: signal outlet connect to nonsignal inlet (ignored) error: signal outlet connect to nonsignal inlet (ignored) error: signal outlet connect to nonsignal inlet (ignored) error: signal outlet connect to nonsignal inlet (ignored) error: signal outlet connect to nonsignal inlet (ignored) error: signal outlet connect to nonsignal inlet (ignored) error: signal outlet connect to nonsignal inlet (ignored) error: signal outlet connect to nonsignal inlet (ignored) error: signal outlet connect to nonsignal inlet (ignored) error: signal outlet connect to nonsignal inlet (ignored) error: signal outlet connect to nonsignal inlet (ignored) error: signal outlet connect to nonsignal inlet (ignored) error: signal outlet connect to nonsignal inlet (ignored) error: signal outlet connect to nonsignal inlet (ignored) error: signal outlet connect to nonsignal inlet (ignored) error: signal outlet connect to nonsignal inlet (ignored) error: signal outlet connect to nonsignal inlet (ignored) error: signal outlet connect to nonsignal inlet (ignored) error: signal outlet connect to nonsignal inlet (ignored) error: signal outlet connect to nonsignal inlet (ignored) error: signal outlet connect to nonsignal inlet (ignored) error: dsp: ../../meh/speaking-test.wav: No such file or directory expr~ divide by zero detected error: .printout.text: no such object Patrick Pagano B.S, M.F.A Audio and Projection Design Faculty Digital Worlds Institute University of Florida, USA (352)294-2020 From: pd-list-boun...@iem.at [pd-list-boun...@iem.at] on behalf of Mario Mey [mario...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 8:16 AM To: pd-list Subject: [PD] Wich licence? I made a Multi-FX Looper called MEH-SYSTEM, posted in PD Forum: http://puredata.hurleur.com/viewtopic.php?pid=37430 I want to put a license to it. Where should I get information about types of licences? I don't think in any restriction... I only would want to know where, when, how and by-who it was used. Only that. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Wich licence?
On 14/02/14 15:45, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: How would that be any different than spyware? -Jonathan Haha! Good point! Thanks everybody for the answers. I took a look to Matt Davey's DIY2 effects and he put no license txt file on its folder. Maelstorm mmb libraries have no license too... My patch is for everyone who wants to use it or learn with it. If someone finally uses MEH-SYSTEM or a modified version of it in stage or for a video or whatever... I would like to know it... only that! Maybe I leave it as is. Saying nothing about license... ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Wich licence?
I made a Multi-FX Looper called MEH-SYSTEM, posted in PD Forum: http://puredata.hurleur.com/viewtopic.php?pid=37430 I want to put a license to it. Where should I get information about types of licences? I don't think in any restriction... I only would want to know where, when, how and by-who it was used. Only that. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] sync metronome to recording an audio track
Hi, Ron. I made a Multi-FX Looper Machine (MEH-SYSTEM) with KP3 recording looping style and LOOP-STATION one too (different ways of recording and looping, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KIj7O_N3gU, in spanish, sorry) When checking synching, I realized that, when some sample (previously recorded) was playing (eg, beatbox), I recorded in another sample bank, and, when it started to play, it was unsynched. Why? Because of the playing-when-recording latency and the later-playing latency. How did I fix it? After recording, it starts playing advanced some miliseconds (*): aproximatly the same of your latency. Mine is 14ms (Jack, 128 frames/buffer). How did I know my latency or, better, how many ms I should add to the playing? (because, depends on the patch, the minimum latency could be different (less) than the final latency of the patch). Using latency-meter (from Katja http://puredata.hurleur.com/viewtopic.php?pid=38375#p38375) and some testing abstracts with visual arrays and adjustable new latency. I hope this were usefull for you. If you need something else, just ask! (*) I use phasor~. Once it is configured to play at specific sample lenght and velocity, I send 14 (with some math), to start in that place: advanced. On 03/12/13 03:22, Ron I. wrote: Hello - we are playing a metronome audio file at time intervals (bpm) while simultaneously recording an audio track. Currently we can't get perfect sync between the two. We are using iOS, and I wanted to reach out to the PD community, to see if there are any developers who can help with a consulting gig to get the metronome and recording process synced, which is crucial for the rest of our app! Thanks Ron ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Run bash script from Puredata?
On 28/11/13 20:52, yvan volochine wrote: On 28/11/13 22:01, Mario Mey wrote: I got rid of the intermediate script. Using [shell], I launch directly the script that will close and reopen everything. Simplier now! great! I do a circus show, with comedy, juggling and beatbox. sounds cool. (I m a clown myself.. but not in circus) you have any website where we can see your work? I'm curious now... =) In www.mariomey.com.ar you can find about my digital pupeteers and MEH-SYSTEM. But, my 2 full spectacles, are here: http://vimeo.com/65047792 https://vimeo.com/79157090 ciao y ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Auto-minimize Pd-window?
Thanks, man! I'll use 2: * hiding the main Pd-window * quit Pd when a patch window is closed If I want to see Pd-window again, I press Ctrl-R. On 28/11/13 05:25, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: On 2013-11-28 05:16, Mario Mey wrote: LINUX. I would want to start my patch without pd window... or hidded or minimized. I can't do it by wmctrl, because it can't minimize windows... it just can send to back (below). If there any startup option or any command to hide/minimize that window? my kiosk-plugin [1] allows to configure that (among other things). gfmsdr IOhannes [1] https://svn.code.sf.net/p/pure-data/svn/trunk/guiplugins/kiosk-plugin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Run bash script from Puredata?
I want to run a bash script (file.sh) from inside PureData, on Linux. I do this on Python, using subprocess.Popen(['/home/mario/script1.sh']). *More information of what I'm looking for:* 'script1.sh' has 'gnome-terminal -e /home/mario/script2.sh' inside. So, a console terminal is opened (running the script) and, when I close the python code running, the subprocess script1.sh is closed... but the console with script2.sh running isn't. The script2.sh I want not to be closed will: - kill PureData - kill Jack - run Jack again (with different frequency rate and frame/buffer) - run PureData (other patch) - run BlenderPlayer ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Run bash script from Puredata?
Found: [shell] On 27/11/13 19:33, Mario Mey wrote: I want to run a bash script (file.sh) from inside PureData, on Linux. I do this on Python, using subprocess.Popen(['/home/mario/script1.sh']). *More information of what I'm looking for:* 'script1.sh' has 'gnome-terminal -e /home/mario/script2.sh' inside. So, a console terminal is opened (running the script) and, when I close the python code running, the subprocess script1.sh is closed... but the console with script2.sh running isn't. The script2.sh I want not to be closed will: - kill PureData - kill Jack - run Jack again (with different frequency rate and frame/buffer) - run PureData (other patch) - run BlenderPlayer ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Run bash script from Puredata?
On 27/11/13 19:51, yvan volochine wrote: On 27/11/13 23:33, Mario Mey wrote: I want to run a bash script (file.sh) from inside PureData, on Linux. I do this on Python, using subprocess.Popen(['/home/mario/script1.sh']). *More information of what I'm looking for:* 'script1.sh' has 'gnome-terminal -e /home/mario/script2.sh' inside. So, a console terminal is opened (running the script) and, when I close the python code running, the subprocess script1.sh is closed... but the console with script2.sh running isn't. The script2.sh I want not to be closed will: - kill PureData - kill Jack - run Jack again (with different frequency rate and frame/buffer) - run PureData (other patch) - run BlenderPlayer why not just use a script (in what you want, ruby, python, ) which: - launch jack - launch pd - kill pd - kill jack - etc... ? so you don't fiddle around with objects like [shell] and all.. looks more straightforward to me Because I want to run that script by sending an OSC message to PureData (from a tablet). my 0.2$... cheers, y ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Auto-minimize Pd-window?
LINUX. I would want to start my patch without pd window... or hidded or minimized. I can't do it by wmctrl, because it can't minimize windows... it just can send to back (below). If there any startup option or any command to hide/minimize that window? I know -nogui option, but it is not what I'm looking for. Also, -nogui is making more noises and clicks than with GUI (another past thread). ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] vocoder with pitch.
El 10/10/13 07:05, Patrice Colet escribió: Hello, pitch doesn't come from voice at all in these kinds of sounds, but from a keyboard, Thanks, I didn't know it. particulary in this Daft Punk or Laurie Anderson music, I believe it's not possible to get accurate articulations by using voice's pitch, but I guess you will figure it out soon enough ;) Well... I think this is some kind of autotune technique... and it is not simple at all. With autotune as search word, in Pd forum, there are about 6 thread and they all are large discussed threads. For the moment... it is not in my hands. Colet Patrice - Mail original - De: Julian Brooks jbee...@gmail.com À: Òscar Martínez Carmona xamp...@gmail.com Cc: pd-list pd-list@iem.at Envoyé: Jeudi 10 Octobre 2013 10:57:08 Objet: Re: [PD] vocoder with pitch. Hey Mario, - [sigmund~] definitely. On 9 October 2013 17:27, Òscar Martínez Carmona xamp...@gmail.com wrote: What about extracting the voice pitch with something like [fiddle~] and feed it to the synth? El dimecres 9 d’octubre de 2013, Mario Mey ha escrit: I listen to some vocoders in Pd and I stayed with rjdj's one. I realized that vocoder works in a single note synth or various notes, doing a harmonious sound. But it is always the same sound. Is it possible to detect the pitch of the voice and use that to feed vocoder? As playing a synth with the voice and sounding as a vocoder. Someday, I want to make Get Lucky with my looper-system, and I would want to have a similar vocoder. Thanks. __ _ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list -- Òscar Martínez Carmona ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] vocoder with pitch.
Ok, I'll check [sigmund~] and that lib! Thanks! El 10/10/13 08:24, Julian Brooks escribió: I've got 'usable' results from tracking voice with [sigmund~] and William Brent's timbreID lib. It was fun to do it in reverse (and easy:) Admittedly not 'accurate articulation' but it is 'in your hands'. Regards, Julian On 10 October 2013 12:13, Mario Mey mario...@gmail.com mailto:mario...@gmail.com wrote: El 10/10/13 07:05, Patrice Colet escribió: Hello, pitch doesn't come from voice at all in these kinds of sounds, but from a keyboard, Thanks, I didn't know it. particulary in this Daft Punk or Laurie Anderson music, I believe it's not possible to get accurate articulations by using voice's pitch, but I guess you will figure it out soon enough ;) Well... I think this is some kind of autotune technique... and it is not simple at all. With autotune as search word, in Pd forum, there are about 6 thread and they all are large discussed threads. For the moment... it is not in my hands. Colet Patrice - Mail original - De: Julian Brooks jbee...@gmail.com mailto:jbee...@gmail.com À: Òscar Martínez Carmona xamp...@gmail.com mailto:xamp...@gmail.com Cc: pd-list pd-list@iem.at mailto:pd-list@iem.at Envoyé: Jeudi 10 Octobre 2013 10:57:08 Objet: Re: [PD] vocoder with pitch. Hey Mario, - [sigmund~] definitely. On 9 October 2013 17:27, Òscar Martínez Carmona xamp...@gmail.com mailto:xamp...@gmail.com wrote: What about extracting the voice pitch with something like [fiddle~] and feed it to the synth? El dimecres 9 d’octubre de 2013, Mario Mey ha escrit: I listen to some vocoders in Pd and I stayed with rjdj's one. I realized that vocoder works in a single note synth or various notes, doing a harmonious sound. But it is always the same sound. Is it possible to detect the pitch of the voice and use that to feed vocoder? As playing a synth with the voice and sounding as a vocoder. Someday, I want to make Get Lucky with my looper-system, and I would want to have a similar vocoder. Thanks. __ _ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list -- Òscar Martínez Carmona ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] vocoder with pitch.
I listen to some vocoders in Pd and I stayed with rjdj's one. I realized that vocoder works in a single note synth or various notes, doing a harmonious sound. But it is always the same sound. Is it possible to detect the pitch of the voice and use that to feed vocoder? As playing a synth with the voice and sounding as a vocoder. Someday, I want to make Get Lucky with my looper-system, and I would want to have a similar vocoder. Thanks. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Direct-from-disk audio with position, loop, varispeed
Sorry, guys, for entering in this thread without reading all the mails. But I want to ask you something. I use readsf~ to read a speaking recorded files, sounds and songs (some songs are 3 or 5 minutes long, but there's one of 20, so, I thought readsf~ was better that put the files into arrays). Readsf~ gives no information about the time, and it would be very usefull for me to synch with an animation in BlenderGameEngine. Also, yet, I don't know if readsf~ is the one that makes noises when BlenderPlayer is rendering in 3D in full screen. I just thought that the computer can't process that 3D rendering and has Jack with low latency. Maybe readsf~ is the problem... Anyway, I wanted to ask you about readsf~: Is readsf~ stable? Does it consume so much CPU? Is there any other object better to use? Maybe the one you are talking about in this thread... I don't need to varispeed, for example. Just read files, play and know its position in time. And low CPU consumption. Thanks. PD1: I'm on Ubuntu 12.04. PD2: what about THREADLIB and SNDFILER to open files in a different thread? Do they work? http://grh.mur.at/software/threadlib.html and http://grh.mur.at/software/sndfiler.html. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Direct-from-disk audio with position, loop, varispeed
El 09/10/13 14:07, Jack escribió: Hello, Le 09/10/2013 18:20, Mario Mey a écrit : Sorry, guys, for entering in this thread without reading all the mails. But I want to ask you something. I use readsf~ to read a speaking recorded files, sounds and songs (some songs are 3 or 5 minutes long, but there's one of 20, so, I thought readsf~ was better that put the files into arrays). Readsf~ gives no information about the time, and it would be very usefull for me to synch with an animation in BlenderGameEngine. If you want to get the length of a sound file, you have several possibilities : - use [wavinfo] from ext13 - use [soundfile_info] from iemlib - use [shell] with your favorite command line to get info on soundfile ++ Jack Sorry, I meant that I wanted to know the *time position* of the file, while playing. I know that I can put a [timer] and reset-activate it when readsf~ starts playing, but I would be great if readsf~ use the mostrigh outlet to output this information (always or when asked for it). Also, yet, I don't know if readsf~ is the one that makes noises when BlenderPlayer is rendering in 3D in full screen. I just thought that the computer can't process that 3D rendering and has Jack with low latency. Maybe readsf~ is the problem... Anyway, I wanted to ask you about readsf~: Is readsf~ stable? Does it consume so much CPU? Is there any other object better to use? Maybe the one you are talking about in this thread... I don't need to varispeed, for example. Just read files, play and know its position in time. And low CPU consumption. Thanks. PD1: I'm on Ubuntu 12.04. PD2: what about THREADLIB and SNDFILER to open files in a different thread? Do they work? http://grh.mur.at/software/threadlib.html and http://grh.mur.at/software/sndfiler.html. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Direct-from-disk audio with position, loop, varispeed
El 09/10/13 18:08, IOhannes m zmölnig escribió: On 10/09/13 20:49, Mario Mey wrote: Sorry, I meant that I wanted to know the *time position* of the file, while playing. I know that I can put a [timer] and reset-activate it when readsf~ starts playing, but I would be great if readsf~ use the mostrigh outlet to output this information (always or when asked for it). why? or rather, why don't you just create an abstraction [meyreadsf~] that wraps the [timer] logic (and share it with the community)? Well... it's a good idea. I use readsf~ with switch~ to pause and unpause it. It can be all transformed in an abstraction. I don't need precision and my 20 minutes song doesn't need to be counted... but if readsf~ is precise with time position, then, the new abstract will be too. *Is readsf~ precise?* If/when I make that abstract, I'll share it, of course. gfmaf IOhannes ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Direct-from-disk audio with position, loop, varispeed
Why? I'm asking myself: why I took this as a challenge??? I just made readsf.meh~. It works similar to readsf~ with some changes. - It is prepared to read stereo files. - Optional argument: miliseconds for the metro to output the time positon. Default 10. - Open files with [open file.wav( - Starts with [start( - Stops with [stop(, but, when [start( is sended after [stop(, it opens the last file and start playing it (can have a delay of loading, maybe an unsynch of timer, I didn't check it. The same as when the file ends) - Pauses with [pause( - Resumes with [resume( Outputs: 1- output left 2- output right 3- status (symbol): loaded, playing, paused, stopped. 4- minutes (int) 5- seconds (int) 6- miliseconds (int) 7- time position minutes:seconds (symbol). When I use this and check it is version 1.0, I'll upload to forum. El 09/10/13 22:05, Mario Mey escribió: El 09/10/13 18:08, IOhannes m zmölnig escribió: On 10/09/13 20:49, Mario Mey wrote: Sorry, I meant that I wanted to know the *time position* of the file, while playing. I know that I can put a [timer] and reset-activate it when readsf~ starts playing, but I would be great if readsf~ use the mostrigh outlet to output this information (always or when asked for it). why? or rather, why don't you just create an abstraction [meyreadsf~] that wraps the [timer] logic (and share it with the community)? Well... it's a good idea. I use readsf~ with switch~ to pause and unpause it. It can be all transformed in an abstraction. I don't need precision and my 20 minutes song doesn't need to be counted... but if readsf~ is precise with time position, then, the new abstract will be too. *Is readsf~ precise?* If/when I make that abstract, I'll share it, of course. gfmaf IOhannes ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list #N canvas 238 77 1041 673 12; #X obj -16 295 readsf~ 2; #X msg 134 229 stop; #X msg 45 229 start; #X obj -16 525 outlet~; #X obj 44 525 outlet~; #X obj 650 490 outlet; #X obj 403 364 timer; #X obj -16 -46 inlet; #X msg -16 229 open \$1; #X obj 107 465 switch~; #X obj 107 435 pipe 8; #X obj 62 405 t f f; #X obj 62 465 line~; #X obj 44 495 *~; #X msg 62 435 \$1 5; #X obj -16 495 *~; #X msg 62 375 0; #X msg 102 375 1; #X obj 590 344 mod 60; #X obj 530 344 div 60; #X obj 530 281 / 1000; #X obj 530 301 t f f f; #X floatatom 650 374 0 0 0 0 - - -; #X floatatom 590 374 0 0 0 0 - - -; #X floatatom 530 374 0 0 0 0 - - -; #X obj 650 274 t f f; #X obj 682 294 int; #X obj 650 314 -; #X obj 650 334 * 1000; #X obj 650 354 int; #X obj 327 298 f; #X obj 403 424 +; #X obj 309 364 f; #X msg 449 278 stop; #X obj 327 334 +; #X obj 309 394 t f f; #X obj 403 278 t b b; #X obj 365 174 t b b b; #X msg 365 278 0; #X obj 449 344 metro 10; #X obj 590 490 outlet; #X obj 530 490 outlet; #X obj 190 521 outlet; #X obj -16 -12 route open start pause resume stop; #X msg 724 444 \$1:\$2; #X obj 724 484 outlet; #X obj 724 464 symbol; #X msg 190 365 symbol loaded; #X msg 190 395 symbol playing; #X msg 190 425 symbol stopped; #X msg 190 455 symbol paused; #X obj -56 -46 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144 -1 -1; #X obj 907 242 10; #X obj 826 222 t f f; #X obj 826 274 list prepend; #X obj 826 304 route 0 1; #X obj 724 424 pack f segundos; #X msg 856 334 0\$1; #X text 518 518 minutos; #X text 588 518 segundos; #X text 658 517 ms; #X text 728 517 minutos:segundos; #X text 188 543 status; #X msg 826 334 \$1; #X obj 826 364 makefilename %d; #X obj 856 404 symbol; #X obj -16 199 symbol; #X obj 33 343 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144 -1 -1; #X obj 225 65 spigot; #X obj 135 105 t b b b b b; #X msg 264 35 1; #X msg 294 35 0; #X obj 45 105 t b b b b b; #X obj 225 105 t b b b b b; #X obj 315 105 t b b b b b b; #X obj 45 153 list prepend 1; #X obj 45 183 route 0 1; #X msg 403 133 0; #X obj -44 107 t b b b b b; #X msg 58 69 1; #X obj -16 16 t a b b b b; #X obj 502 15 loadbang; #X obj 502 45 \$1; #X obj 583 95 == 0; #X msg 532 184 10; #X obj 502 154 route 0 1; #X obj 502 124 list prepend; #X obj 502 75 t f f; #X connect 0 0 15 0; #X connect 0 1 13 0; #X connect 0 2 67 0; #X connect 0 2 74 0; #X connect 1 0 0 0; #X connect 2 0 0 0; #X connect 6 0 31 0; #X connect 6 0 34 1; #X connect 7 0 43 0; #X connect 8 0 0 0; #X connect 10 0 9 0; #X connect 11 0 14 0; #X connect 11 1 10 0; #X connect 12 0 13 1; #X connect 12 0 15 1; #X connect 13 0 4 0; #X connect 14 0 12 0; #X connect 15 0 3 0; #X connect 16 0 11 0; #X connect 17 0 11 0; #X connect 18 0 23 0; #X connect 19 0 24 0; #X connect 20 0 21 0; #X connect 21 0 19 0; #X connect 21 1 18 0; #X connect 21 2 25 0; #X connect 22 0 5 0; #X connect 23 0 40 0; #X connect 23 0 53 0; #X connect 24 0 41 0; #X connect 24 0 56 0; #X connect 25 0 27 0; #X connect 25 1 26 0; #X connect 26 0 27 1; #X connect 27 0 28 0; #X connect 28 0 29 0; #X connect 29 0 22 0; #X connect 30 0 34 0; #X
Re: [PD] tanh() or a compressor?
El 01/10/13 00:54, Brian Fay escribió: Are you using a pop filter or windscreen or anything in front of the mic? Maybe that could help filter out some of the super-loud plosive and fricative sounds. No beatboxer uses a pop filter or windscreen... unless he/she is at a recording studio. Moving further away from the mic would definitely lower the volume, too (the SM58 is a cardioid mic, so it has proximity effect, where bass gets emphasized the closer you are to the mic). I guess the proximity effect will actually sound pretty nice on the kicks, but it also would explain why the peaks are so high. Yes, the proximity is very important. Unfortunatly, I can't move further away the mic. Well, I wrote in DIY2 thread in Forum, because I want to use Hardoff's compressor and I wanted his opinion, too. Because, after several tests, I realized that I can't get rid of the first peak of a kick (more or less, signal = 4). So, I thought about using the compressor with attack and release at lowest and, inmediatly after that, something like [expr~ (tanh($v1/1.5))*1.5]. So, tanh() compress the highest peaks to 1.5, but it doesn't distort so much the sound. Can anybody tell me if I am very wrong? Is the math correct? As when writting the arrays to disk, Pd has to normalized them to 1, I can't see really the difference in a sound editor, between the original and the compressed one. On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Mario Mey mario...@gmail.com mailto:mario...@gmail.com wrote: Now, I am checking volumes of my looper patch. I had to raise [*~ 4] the volume of the mic, to get a razonable volume, compared to a song file, for example. But, using this looper patch, I make beatbox. So, kicks and snares from my mouth get in the mic. And, using a visual array to test it, I realize that the kicks and snares are so much higher volume than the vocals. The patch has FXs with feedbacks, so, they can make signal 1. So, at the end of the patch, there's [expr tanh($v1)] to to avoid that... tanh() is simpler than a a compressor, but it loose some sounds (I think). Or I should trust in tanh()? Multiple choice: 1- Use tanh() in the input, after adc~ and before dac~. 2- Use a compressor patch in the input, after adc~ (and tanh() before dac~) 3- Use a compressor at the end of the patch, before dac~ 4- Stay as it is now... Also, I can't spend more CPU process... What do you recommend me to use? Thanks. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] tanh() or a compressor?
How does Pd or the soundcard outputs the signal 1? Does it compress it? I started this thread because I saw the high peaks in an array... but I never listened the sound distorted. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] ANN: pd-l2ork v.20130920 released
Searching for libstk, libstk0-dev appeared to install. But I couldn't install it, because it needed libstk0c2a (= 4.4.3-2) . I installed it... but, libstk0-dev still ask me for that dependency. It's strange. Anyway, I would like to try it, but I have not so much time to spend in installing. Now I'm googling for Albert Graef builts. If I have no luck... maybe I try again some day in the future. Thank you! El 25/09/13 09:06, Ivica Bukvic escribió: Can you check if you have any libstk packages available in the software center? Also make sure that you have universe repertories enabled. Btw what version of Ubuntu are you using? Albert Graef has a launchpad with all these packages built for newer versions of Ubuntu. HTH On Sep 25, 2013 8:01 AM, Mario Mey mario...@gmail.com mailto:mario...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to try pd-l2ork... but, when I try to install .deb, Ubuntu Software Center tell me that it couldn't find libstk0-dev. When I try to install it, in Synaptic, the installation ask me to uninstall almost my audio applications. I remember something like this when I tried to change Jack version. Could this be? I use jackd (Jackdmp, I think...) El 23/09/13 09:26, Ivica Ico Bukvic escribió: As usual, apologies for x-posting... It is my pleasure to announce the latest release of pd-l2ork free open-source visual programming language for interactive media, and supporting K12 educational module for the 32-bit and 64-bit Linux, as well as Raspberry Pi (Arm) platforms. pd-l2ork is the infrastructural backbone of Virginia Tech DISIS Linux Laptop Orchestra (http://l2ork.music.vt.edu). Highlights include: *Ported all vanilla GUI objects and events to cairo-based SVG-like tkpath canvas providing antialiased drawing capabilities, bezier patch cords, and setting stage for a zoomable canvas *Implemented a new scrollbar system using semi-transparent objects right on the canvas *Implemented filtering of autorepeat keyboard events for key, keyup, keyname objects *Expanded K12 library with numerous improvements and added a couple demo files *Backported resizable objects and recent files *Implemented native drag-n-drop *Improved GUI appearance *Began porting 3rd party objects to new cairo-based canvas (non-accelerated 3rd-party objects can be recognized by having a blue selection box and their considerably slower redraw) *Cleaned-up extended pddp documentation and added comprehensive cyclone documentation *Began filtering (disabling) building of redundant externals within the cyclone and other 3rd-party libraries *Proper visual reordering without the potentially cpu-expensive canvas_redraw for all accelerated objects (non-accelerated 3rd-party objects can be recognized by having a blue selection box and their considerably slower redraw) *Disabled drawing of redundant nlets for objects embedded inside a GOP object (for Max users, equivalent to a bpatcher) *Embedded tkdnd and tkpath libs directly into source for a monolithic build; made several improvements to the tkpath lib fork *Many other minor bugfixes and improvements (see Changelog for more info) A screenshot of the K12 module is attached. Alternatively, it can be found at: http://puredata.info/downloads/Pd-L2Ork/releases/20130920/screenshot/image_view_fullscreen Complete Changelog: http://puredata.info/downloads/Pd-L2Ork/releases/20130920/ Download Links: Binary Builds Documentation: http://l2ork.music.vt.edu/main/?page_id=56 Source: http:///github.com/pd-l2ork/ Best wishes, -- Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A Composition, Music Technology Director, DISIS Interactive Sound Intermedia Studio Director, L2Ork Linux Laptop Orchestra Head, ICAT IMPACT Studio Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, VA 24061-0240 (540) 231-6139 tel:%28540%29%20231-6139 (540) 231-5034 tel:%28540%29%20231-5034 (fax) disis.music.vt.edu http://disis.music.vt.edu l2ork.music.vt.edu http://l2ork.music.vt.edu ico.bukvic.net http://ico.bukvic.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] tanh() or a compressor?
Now, I am checking volumes of my looper patch. I had to raise [*~ 4] the volume of the mic, to get a razonable volume, compared to a song file, for example. But, using this looper patch, I make beatbox. So, kicks and snares from my mouth get in the mic. And, using a visual array to test it, I realize that the kicks and snares are so much higher volume than the vocals. The patch has FXs with feedbacks, so, they can make signal 1. So, at the end of the patch, there's [expr tanh($v1)] to to avoid that... tanh() is simpler than a a compressor, but it loose some sounds (I think). Or I should trust in tanh()? Multiple choice: 1- Use tanh() in the input, after adc~ and before dac~. 2- Use a compressor patch in the input, after adc~ (and tanh() before dac~) 3- Use a compressor at the end of the patch, before dac~ 4- Stay as it is now... Also, I can't spend more CPU process... What do you recommend me to use? Thanks. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] tanh() or a compressor?
I forgot to say that I'm using a Shure SM-58 connected to a external USB (cheap) soundcard (http://www.encore-usa.com/ar/support/ENMAB-8CM). In alsamixer, I raised the input volumes to max. This directly connected to the soundcard microphone will be connected throw a wireless Shure system. In that moment, I'll check again volumes. Mensaje original Asunto: tanh() or a compressor? Fecha: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 16:35:43 -0300 De: Mario Mey mario...@gmail.com Para: pd-list pd-list@iem.at Now, I am checking volumes of my looper patch. I had to raise [*~ 4] the volume of the mic, to get a razonable volume, compared to a song file, for example. But, using this looper patch, I make beatbox. So, kicks and snares from my mouth get in the mic. And, using a visual array to test it, I realize that the kicks and snares are so much higher volume than the vocals. The patch has FXs with feedbacks, so, they can make signal 1. So, at the end of the patch, there's [expr tanh($v1)] to to avoid that... tanh() is simpler than a a compressor, but it loose some sounds (I think). Or I should trust in tanh()? Multiple choice: 1- Use tanh() in the input, after adc~ and before dac~. 2- Use a compressor patch in the input, after adc~ (and tanh() before dac~) 3- Use a compressor at the end of the patch, before dac~ 4- Stay as it is now... Also, I can't spend more CPU process... What do you recommend me to use? Thanks. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Trying to fix error messages
Try: - Using [import mrpeach] somewhere in your patch (if externals are in the correct path to Pd) - Adding the folder mrpeach in Preferences menu. - Or, also possible... copying mrpeach folder in your patch folder and use [mrpeach/unpackOSC] (if it is the only external you have problems with) Best. El 27/09/13 01:25, RT escribió: Greetings All I get the message expr, expr~, fexpr~ version 0.4 under GNU General Public License [date] part of zexy-2.2.5.1pdextended (compiled: Nov 14 2012) Copyright (c) 1999-2012 IOhannes m zmölnig, forum::für::umläute IEM [time] part of zexy-2.2.5.1pdextended (compiled: Nov 14 2012) Copyright (c) 1999-2012 IOhannes m zmölnig, forum::für::umläute IEM unpackOSC ... couldn't create udpreceive 8000 ... couldn't create routeOSC /widget0 ... couldn't create routeOSC /widget1 ... couldn't create routeOSC /widget2 ... couldn't create routeOSC /widget3 ... couldn't create routeOSC /widget4 ... couldn't create I have the path to the externals I thought which are /home/rt/Documents/pd/movedoverextended /home/rt/Documents/pd/externals/mrpeach/osc /home/rt/Documents/pd/externals/iem/iemnet Any idea how to fix this? Thanks ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] ANN: pd-l2ork v.20130920 released
I would like to try pd-l2ork... but, when I try to install .deb, Ubuntu Software Center tell me that it couldn't find libstk0-dev. When I try to install it, in Synaptic, the installation ask me to uninstall almost my audio applications. I remember something like this when I tried to change Jack version. Could this be? I use jackd (Jackdmp, I think...) El 23/09/13 09:26, Ivica Ico Bukvic escribió: As usual, apologies for x-posting... It is my pleasure to announce the latest release of pd-l2ork free open-source visual programming language for interactive media, and supporting K12 educational module for the 32-bit and 64-bit Linux, as well as Raspberry Pi (Arm) platforms. pd-l2ork is the infrastructural backbone of Virginia Tech DISIS Linux Laptop Orchestra (http://l2ork.music.vt.edu). Highlights include: *Ported all vanilla GUI objects and events to cairo-based SVG-like tkpath canvas providing antialiased drawing capabilities, bezier patch cords, and setting stage for a zoomable canvas *Implemented a new scrollbar system using semi-transparent objects right on the canvas *Implemented filtering of autorepeat keyboard events for key, keyup, keyname objects *Expanded K12 library with numerous improvements and added a couple demo files *Backported resizable objects and recent files *Implemented native drag-n-drop *Improved GUI appearance *Began porting 3rd party objects to new cairo-based canvas (non-accelerated 3rd-party objects can be recognized by having a blue selection box and their considerably slower redraw) *Cleaned-up extended pddp documentation and added comprehensive cyclone documentation *Began filtering (disabling) building of redundant externals within the cyclone and other 3rd-party libraries *Proper visual reordering without the potentially cpu-expensive canvas_redraw for all accelerated objects (non-accelerated 3rd-party objects can be recognized by having a blue selection box and their considerably slower redraw) *Disabled drawing of redundant nlets for objects embedded inside a GOP object (for Max users, equivalent to a bpatcher) *Embedded tkdnd and tkpath libs directly into source for a monolithic build; made several improvements to the tkpath lib fork *Many other minor bugfixes and improvements (see Changelog for more info) A screenshot of the K12 module is attached. Alternatively, it can be found at: http://puredata.info/downloads/Pd-L2Ork/releases/20130920/screenshot/image_view_fullscreen Complete Changelog: http://puredata.info/downloads/Pd-L2Ork/releases/20130920/ Download Links: Binary Builds Documentation: http://l2ork.music.vt.edu/main/?page_id=56 Source: http:///github.com/pd-l2ork/ Best wishes, -- Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A Composition, Music Technology Director, DISIS Interactive Sound Intermedia Studio Director, L2Ork Linux Laptop Orchestra Head, ICAT IMPACT Studio Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, VA 24061-0240 (540) 231-6139 (540) 231-5034 (fax) disis.music.vt.edu l2ork.music.vt.edu ico.bukvic.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PLEASE HELP WITH EQ BUILDING
Good thread about EQ: http://puredata.hurleur.com/sujet-1687.html El 22/09/13 15:19, Luca Mani escribió: Hello does anybody knows how to build a 3 bands eq with the following adjustable parameters: FREQUENCY, GAIN +- and Q? Or has a couple of examples to show me please ? Thanks ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [change] bug?
If i create [change] and send it a [0(, it outputs nothing. It seems like it has already the 0 value initiated. I think [change] should not work like this... ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [change] bug?
Thanks for answering! Who is the OP? Me? Well, if it is me... yes, I would like to have NULL as init value. But, I understand that [change] must work like it works right now. It's OK. I use I go bananas patch to make it work (with [+ 1]). Then, I read Jonathan's reply... that has the same fix (with [* -1]). Thanks everyone. El 23/09/13 15:45, Jonathan Wilkes escribió: From: Alexandre Torres Porres por...@gmail.com To: Mario Mey mario...@gmail.com Cc: pd-list pd-list@iem.at Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [PD] [change] bug? that's the way it works alright. Yes. It's helpful to know that in Pure Data, an object that takes an optional float argument typically sets the value to zero if the user doesn't provide an argument. It's not a requirement: an external author can set the default value to anything they want. It's just that doing that requires extra work (i.e., manually checking the arguments), whereas defaulting to zero happens automatically. Anyway, I think the OP might want [change] to default to NULL-- that is, let the next incoming value pass no matter what because there isn't a previous value yet. That could be handy. You can make your own version of that by first sending a copy of the incoming value through a spigot: [spigot 1] | [* -1] | [set $1( | [change] Then set the right inlet of [spigot] to zero and send the incoming value to your [change] object, and it will be guaranteed to pass. -Jonathan If your first value sent to it is zero, just initialize it with some other value as the argument cheers 2013/9/23 Mario Mey mario...@gmail.com If i create [change] and send it a [0(, it outputs nothing. It seems like it has already the 0 value initiated. I think [change] should not work like this... ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [change] bug?
El 23/09/13 21:22, yvan volochine escribió: On 23/09/13 20:45, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: You can make your own version of that by first sending a copy of the incoming value through a spigot: [spigot 1] | [* -1] | [set $1( | [change] Then set the right inlet of [spigot] to zero and send the incoming value to your [change] object, and it will be guaranteed to pass. and if the incoming value is 0? =) Obviously: -0 y ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] puredata.info strange behaviour using Google.
Everytime I visit puredata.info through google, every d and com in the page are highlighted in yellow. If I refresh (F5) the page, it is the same. But, if I click in address and press Enter, the highlight dissappear. I think it is something in POST... If I search pure data 0.44, then I click in the first link, d and 44 are highlighted. It is so strange... now, I tried again, the same link and only com are highlighted. Try this link: http://www.google.com.ar/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=ssource=webcd=1cad=rjaved=0CCwQFjAAurl=http%3A%2F%2Fpuredata.info%2Fdocs%2Fmanuals%2Fpd%2Fx2.htmei=Qxc7UtbIEIK3iwK1k4C4DQusg=AFQjCNG-AyYLgOX6CkJARANJvkgxHzSsdwsig2=U9wSrxsBPqsW108sJu3KIA It's about google? puredata.info? ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Sum of delays...
I was guessing... if I made a sum of delays using so many send~ / receive~ and throw~ / catch~... For a full use of my patch (mic input - FX-A - FX-B - output), I have this structure (inside subpatches and abstracts): adc~ s~ mic r~ mic s~ console-in-a r~ console-in-a s~ pre-fx-a r~ pre-fx-a throw~ post-fx-a catch~ post-fx-a s~ console-out-a r~ console-out-a s~ console-in-b r~ console-in-b s~ pre-fx-b r~ pre-fx-b throw~ post-fx-b catch~ post-fx-b s~ console-out-b r~ console-out-b s~ out r~ out dac~ Does every send~ / receive~ and throw~ / catch~ adds a 1 block delay? I'm using 48000, so, do I have 1.333ms * 10 = 13ms of delay because of using that objects? ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Sum of delays...
I think most of s/r and throw/catch are between abstracts. If I want to sort that objects (as Theory of Operation says: creating receive~ after send~)... I don't know how to do it. Does the sorting include creation of abstracts? I mean, should I cut-paste from the objects (s/r, throw/catch AND abstracts) at the start of the pipeline (mic) to the last (output)? And so inside each abstract? I'm confused... and I'll be more if I would have to do it. Thanks. Mensaje original Asunto: Sum of delays... Fecha: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 13:52:37 -0300 De: Mario Mey mario...@gmail.com Para: pd-list pd-list@iem.at I was guessing... if I made a sum of delays using so many send~ / receive~ and throw~ / catch~... For a full use of my patch (mic input - FX-A - FX-B - output), I have this structure (inside subpatches and abstracts): adc~ s~ mic r~ mic s~ console-in-a r~ console-in-a s~ pre-fx-a r~ pre-fx-a throw~ post-fx-a catch~ post-fx-a s~ console-out-a r~ console-out-a s~ console-in-b r~ console-in-b s~ pre-fx-b r~ pre-fx-b throw~ post-fx-b catch~ post-fx-b s~ console-out-b r~ console-out-b s~ out r~ out dac~ Does every send~ / receive~ and throw~ / catch~ adds a 1 block delay? I'm using 48000, so, do I have 1.333ms * 10 = 13ms of delay because of using that objects? ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Can't open a patch launching Pd from console...
Trying to know what is crashing Pd (with OSC messages from TouchOSC to MrPeach external)... I'm trying to launch Pd-exteded from the console... (using pasuspender -- /usr/lib/pd-extended/tcl/pd-gui.tcl %F or just pd-extended). PD-Extended is executed, but, when I try to open my file, in the console, this message appear every 2 or 3 seconds: watchdog: signaling pd... watchdog: signaling pd... watchdog: signaling pd... ... If I wait a pair of minutes, the patch starts to open... but, at first, with no toggles, buttons, slider, etc. Then, I got tired and killed it. I don't understand why this is happening, because, if I open from the menu, Pd-ext opens my patch correctly. UbuntuStudio 12.04.3, Pd-extended 0.43.4 (from PPA, as http://puredata.info/docs/faq/debian says). ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] TouchOSC makes Pd crash, on UbuntuStudio, not in Ubuntu
I found this workaround... maybe it helps: http://puredata.hurleur.com/sujet-9201-touchosc-mrpeach-crash El 16/09/13 13:08, Mario Mey escribió: Thanks, Martin. I compiled it and test it. Again, in UbuntuStudio 12.04.3, it makes PureData crash. There's no message, it just crashs. Is anything I could do to help to avoid that? How could I debug it? In the other hand, I'm having troubles to launch Pd from console (to see if any message is there)... it can't open my patch. So, I'm writting another mail to list. 2013/9/15 Martin Peach martin.pe...@sympatico.ca mailto:martin.pe...@sympatico.ca On 2013-09-15 16:12, Mario Mey wrote: I just downloaded complete PureData from svn... but I want to compile only your externals. Is that possible? I think so... how? From trunk/externals type make mrpeach or make mrpeach_install (which doesn't actually install the files, it puts them in externals/build/lib/pd-extended/extra) Martin Thank you. 2013/9/15 Martin Peach martin.pe...@sympatico.ca mailto:martin.pe...@sympatico.ca mailto:martin.pe...@sympatico.ca mailto:martin.pe...@sympatico.ca On 2013-09-14 19:28, Mario Mey wrote: Martin Peach, I read somewhere that changing pages in TouchOSC makes Pd (or Pd-Ext) to crash. My Pd-Extended doesn't crash, but this error is shown: * routeOSC: ignoring empty list…. That doesn't happen here. There is no such message in the source code. Maybe you have an older version of routeOSC? The OSC specification allows empty messages, and [routeOSC] should output a bang if it routes such a message. Older versions of [routeOSC](before March 2012) didn't work properly, so you probably just need to find a more recent one or build it from svn. (http://sourceforge.net/p/__pure-data/svn/HEAD/tree/trunk/__externals/mrpeach/osc/ http://sourceforge.net/p/pure-data/svn/HEAD/tree/trunk/externals/mrpeach/osc/) Martin Today, I've installed Ubuntu Studio 12.04.3 (with lowlatency kernel). It seemed that it was a good distro for my use... but switching pages DOES make Pd-Extended to crash. I reported-suggested this in this thread: http://hexler.net/forum/__viewthread/992/ http://hexler.net/forum/viewthread/992/, where I wrote some other info, maybe usefull. The config where it doesn't crash: /Ubuntu 12.04, Kernel 3.2.0-49-generic, Pd-Extended 0.43.4 (download from PPA as the Pure Data page says), jackdmp 1.9.8...// / The other config: /Ubuntu Studio 12.04.3, Kernel 3.2.0-51-lowlatency, same Pd-Extended version, Jack that came with UbuntuStudio (don't know wich version)/ Any other information that could be useful to fix this? Like I wrote in the thread, I suggested TouchOSC that it should send non-empty lists. But, TouchOSC is closed-code... so, there's no easy feedback. _ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/__listinfo/pd-list http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] TouchOSC makes Pd crash, on UbuntuStudio, not in Ubuntu
Thanks, Martin. I compiled it and test it. Again, in UbuntuStudio 12.04.3, it makes PureData crash. There's no message, it just crashs. Is anything I could do to help to avoid that? How could I debug it? In the other hand, I'm having troubles to launch Pd from console (to see if any message is there)... it can't open my patch. So, I'm writting another mail to list. 2013/9/15 Martin Peach martin.pe...@sympatico.ca mailto:martin.pe...@sympatico.ca On 2013-09-15 16:12, Mario Mey wrote: I just downloaded complete PureData from svn... but I want to compile only your externals. Is that possible? I think so... how? From trunk/externals type make mrpeach or make mrpeach_install (which doesn't actually install the files, it puts them in externals/build/lib/pd-extended/extra) Martin Thank you. 2013/9/15 Martin Peach martin.pe...@sympatico.ca mailto:martin.pe...@sympatico.ca mailto:martin.pe...@sympatico.ca mailto:martin.pe...@sympatico.ca On 2013-09-14 19:28, Mario Mey wrote: Martin Peach, I read somewhere that changing pages in TouchOSC makes Pd (or Pd-Ext) to crash. My Pd-Extended doesn't crash, but this error is shown: * routeOSC: ignoring empty list…. That doesn't happen here. There is no such message in the source code. Maybe you have an older version of routeOSC? The OSC specification allows empty messages, and [routeOSC] should output a bang if it routes such a message. Older versions of [routeOSC](before March 2012) didn't work properly, so you probably just need to find a more recent one or build it from svn. (http://sourceforge.net/p/__pure-data/svn/HEAD/tree/trunk/__externals/mrpeach/osc/ http://sourceforge.net/p/pure-data/svn/HEAD/tree/trunk/externals/mrpeach/osc/) Martin Today, I've installed Ubuntu Studio 12.04.3 (with lowlatency kernel). It seemed that it was a good distro for my use... but switching pages DOES make Pd-Extended to crash. I reported-suggested this in this thread: http://hexler.net/forum/__viewthread/992/ http://hexler.net/forum/viewthread/992/, where I wrote some other info, maybe usefull. The config where it doesn't crash: /Ubuntu 12.04, Kernel 3.2.0-49-generic, Pd-Extended 0.43.4 (download from PPA as the Pure Data page says), jackdmp 1.9.8...// / The other config: /Ubuntu Studio 12.04.3, Kernel 3.2.0-51-lowlatency, same Pd-Extended version, Jack that came with UbuntuStudio (don't know wich version)/ Any other information that could be useful to fix this? Like I wrote in the thread, I suggested TouchOSC that it should send non-empty lists. But, TouchOSC is closed-code... so, there's no easy feedback. _ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/__listinfo/pd-list http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] TouchOSC makes Pd crash, on UbuntuStudio, not in Ubuntu
Now, I'm on Ubuntu 12.04 and I realized that I have a very old version of mrpeach folder (routeOSC-help says: 2008/09/17 Martin Peach) and Pd was configured to use it. That's why Pd doesn't crash after sending that message from TouchOSC. In console, it only shows: * routeOSC: ignoring empty list... Luckily I didn't delete that folder and still use it. I'll try to compile Matthias version now... but, by doubts, I will keep that no-crash old version. El 16/09/13 18:22, Matthias Kronlachner escribió: ok its even more simple than that.. a |bang( crashes routeOSC :-) and a bang is sent to the outlet of routeOSC if a message has no argument... On 9/16/13 11:51 PM, Martin Peach wrote: OK, thanks for this. Any idea what the message is that is causing the crash? Is it valid OSC? Martin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] TouchOSC makes Pd crash, on UbuntuStudio, not in Ubuntu
Martin Peach, I read somewhere that changing pages in TouchOSC makes Pd (or Pd-Ext) to crash. My Pd-Extended doesn't crash, but this error is shown: * routeOSC: ignoring empty list Today, I've installed Ubuntu Studio 12.04.3 (with lowlatency kernel). It seemed that it was a good distro for my use... but switching pages DOES make Pd-Extended to crash. I reported-suggested this in this thread: http://hexler.net/forum/viewthread/992/, where I wrote some other info, maybe usefull. The config where it doesn't crash: /Ubuntu 12.04, Kernel 3.2.0-49-generic, Pd-Extended 0.43.4 (download from PPA as the Pure Data page says), jackdmp 1.9.8...// / The other config: /Ubuntu Studio 12.04.3, Kernel 3.2.0-51-lowlatency, same Pd-Extended version, Jack that came with UbuntuStudio (don't know wich version)/ Any other information that could be useful to fix this? Like I wrote in the thread, I suggested TouchOSC that it should send non-empty lists. But, TouchOSC is closed-code... so, there's no easy feedback. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [refloat?] Worse performance with -nogui.
Sorry for re-floating this thread... but only Claude answer it and he was talking about previous version of Pd, so, it doesn't apply in my Pd-Extende version. I paste again the mail: Mensaje original Asunto: Worse performance with -nogui. Fecha: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 01:22:36 -0300 De: Mario Mey mario...@gmail.com Para: pd-list pd-list@iem.at Two issues: First at all, when trying my patch (MEH-SYSTEM) with -nogui option, I was having a Segment fault... untill I discovered that the Robot FX, from RJDJ was turning DSP on and DSP was already on (was turned on with a [loadbang]-[delay 2000]). This crashed Pd. Maybe a bug...? Attempting to save some CPU (-nogui option), I started using the patch and recorded all the sample banks... then, a lot of noisy clicks started to appear. If I mute all the banks, the clicks are there, at low volume but very audible. Then, I realized that that noise is there only with -nogui option. Using GUI, it sounds great. Is this a known issue? Because I expected to have the opposite result... I'm using Pd-Extended 0.43.4, Ubuntu 12.04, Jackd (Jack2?) with 256frames, 2periods, 48000, PulseAudio uninstalled, with a USB soundcard (Encore ENMAB-8CM). It does the same noise with the integrated soundcard. Here is the WIP (last version: 0.91): http://puredata.hurleur.com/viewtopic.php?pid=37430 If I can give you any other information, just ask for it. EDIT: I'm trying to get no noise, because I'm trying to use 128 frames in Jack, instead of 256, to get less latency. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Scaling values in pd
IOhannes, you are right only in these cases: 0 127 0 500 0 300 0 1 ... But, if I need: 50 10 0 500 3000 -3000 0.5 0.6 ... I will need a linear equation conversion. As I wrote in last mail, I was needing something like this, first in ActionScript... then in Python... but I never could did it. Now, I needed again in Pd... so, I made lin-eq-conv.pd with extrapolation and lin-eq-conv-clip.pd for clipped values. I made it as neat as I could, to see how it works. Using x0-x1 and y0-y1, it uses expr to get a and b at load. Then, it only computes aX + b = Y. I attach the lin-eq-conv.pd, lin-eq-conv-clip.pd and lin-eq-conv-help.pd. Also, I have some issues using [autoscale]. I start giving values and it outputs only 1. Then, I start to down the input and, then, it shows the real output. Maybe it's about this version (0.43.4 Pd-Extended 64bits). PD: translated to Python: |def lin_eq_conv(x, x0, x1, y0, y1): a = (y0 - y1) / (x0 - x1) b = (a * x0) + y0 return a * x + b| El 03/09/13 03:32, IOhannes zmölnig escribió: On 09/02/2013 06:17 PM, hghoyer wrote: Hi, in Max/MSP there is an object for simple scaling. If you create in MAX these object with this arguments: [scale 0 127 0 500] incomming messages from 0 to 127 are automatically scaled from 0 to 500... honestly i'm of the firm conviction that you should learn how scaling works: it really is only a matter of adding, multiplying, dividing, subtracting - stuff you should heave learned in primary school. as frank pointed out, this should do for you: | [/ 127] | [* 500] | if you find it too tedious to do the maths over and over again, you might want to create an abstraction. being able to solve trivial problems like this will surely empower you to solve more complex problems :-) gamsdr IOhannes ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list #N canvas 549 82 637 625 12; #X obj 122 263 expr ($f3 - $f4) / ($f1 - $f2); #X obj 122 366 expr - ( $f1 * $f2 ) + $f3; #X floatatom 134 398 0 0 0 0 - - -; #X text 215 338 x0; #X text 130 339 a; #X text 130 420 b; #X obj 54 441 expr $f3 * $f1 + $f2; #X floatatom 68 475 0 0 0 0 - - -; #X obj 54 526 outlet; #X obj 54 -40 inlet; #X floatatom 131 292 0 0 0 0 - - -; #X floatatom 122 138 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X floatatom 191 138 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X floatatom 260 138 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X floatatom 329 138 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X text 485 21 x0 = a*x0 + b \; y1 = a*x1 + b; #X text 448 125 y0 - y1 = a*(x0 - x1); #X text 428 294 y = a * x + b; #X obj 122 113 \$1; #X obj 191 113 \$2; #X obj 260 113 \$3; #X obj 329 113 \$4; #X text 153 113 x0; #X text 223 113 x1; #X text 293 113 y0; #X text 363 113 y1; #X text 305 338 y0; #X obj 122 -40 loadbang; #X obj 122 45 t b b b b; #X obj 202 -40 inlet; #X obj 322 43 unpack f f f f; #X obj 54 43 f; #X floatatom 70 7 0 0 0 0 - - -; #X text 414 325 - b = a * x - y; #X obj 122 -20 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144 -1 -1; #X obj 122 320 t f f; #X text 192 417 a; #X text 59 421 X; #X text 62 504 Y; #X obj 122 232 t f f; #X obj 260 232 t f f; #X text 345 260 a = (y0 - y1) / (x0 - x1); #X text 331 366 -- b = -(a * x) + y; #X text 222 444 -- y = a * x + b; #X text 551 542 Mario Mey; #X obj 191 164 t f f; #X obj 260 164 t f f; #X obj 329 164 t f f; #N canvas 634 98 614 362 if-not-error 0; #X obj 75 13 inlet; #X obj 132 13 inlet; #X obj 175 13 inlet; #X obj 225 13 inlet; #X obj 75 310 outlet; #X obj 75 56 t f f; #X obj 253 203 print; #X obj 192 258 print; #X obj 175 90 ==; #X obj 114 90 ==; #X obj 207 147 route 0; #X obj 146 188 route 0; #X obj 75 286 spigot; #X obj 146 310 outlet; #X obj 114 189 +; #X obj 175 119 t f f; #X obj 114 120 t f f; #X obj 114 216 == 0; #X obj 114 242 t f f; #X msg 253 177 Incorrect y0 - y1 values or bad arguments.; #X msg 192 232 Incorrect x0 - x1 values or bad arguments.; #X obj 114 267 tgl 15 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 0 1; #X connect 0 0 5 0; #X connect 1 0 9 1; #X connect 2 0 8 0; #X connect 3 0 8 1; #X connect 5 0 12 0; #X connect 5 1 9 0; #X connect 8 0 15 0; #X connect 9 0 16 0; #X connect 10 1 19 0; #X connect 11 1 20 0; #X connect 12 0 4 0; #X connect 14 0 17 0; #X connect 15 0 14 1; #X connect 15 1 10 0; #X connect 16 0 14 0; #X connect 16 1 11 0; #X connect 17 0 18 0; #X connect 18 0 21 0; #X connect 18 1 13 0; #X connect 19 0 6 0; #X connect 20 0 7 0; #X connect 21 0 12 1; #X restore 122 201 pd if-not-error; #X text 442 189 Check if x0 = x1; #X text 456 209 ... or y0 = y1; #X obj 93 229 tgl 15 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 0 1; #X obj 202 23 t b b b b b a; #X obj 54 248 spigot; #X text 441 -37 Look at the help file.; #X text 59 -15 test-in; #X text 99 475 test-out; #X connect 0 0 10 0; #X connect 0 0 35 0; #X connect 1 0 2 0; #X connect 1 0 6 1; #X connect 6 0 7 0; #X connect 6 0 8 0; #X connect 9 0 31 0; #X connect 11 0 48 0; #X connect 12 0 45 0
Re: [PD] Scaling values in pd
El 03/09/13 10:11, Lorenzo Sutton escribió: On 03/09/2013 14:06, Mario Mey wrote: IOhannes, you are right only in these cases: 0 127 0 500 0 300 0 1 ... But, if I need: 50 10 0 500| (assuming you want to map have 50 mapped to the 'minimum'): | [- 10] | [t b f] | / [- ] | [* 12.5] | 3000 -3000 0.5 0.6 [* -1] | [+ 3000] | [/ 6] | [+ 0.5] Yes, you can make this math every scale you need... or use an abstract that does the same automatically. In my patch, I use 284 lin-eq-conv objects. I didn't want to think how to make that math... and change everytime (normally, I create a lin-eq-conv and change its values a lot of times). Best. ... I will need a linear equation conversion. As I wrote in last mail, I was needing something like this, first in ActionScript... then in Python... but I never could did it. Now, I needed again in Pd... so, I made lin-eq-conv.pd with extrapolation and lin-eq-conv-clip.pd for clipped values. I made it as neat as I could, to see how it works. Using x0-x1 and y0-y1, it uses expr to get a and b at load. Then, it only computes aX + b = Y. I attach the lin-eq-conv.pd, lin-eq-conv-clip.pd and lin-eq-conv-help.pd. Also, I have some issues using [autoscale]. I start giving values and it outputs only 1. Then, I start to down the input and, then, it shows the real output. Maybe it's about this version (0.43.4 Pd-Extended 64bits). PD: translated to Python: |def lin_eq_conv(x, x0, x1, y0, y1): a = (y0 - y1) / (x0 - x1) b = (a * x0) + y0 return a * x + b| El 03/09/13 03:32, IOhannes zmölnig escribió: On 09/02/2013 06:17 PM, hghoyer wrote: Hi, in Max/MSP there is an object for simple scaling. If you create in MAX these object with this arguments: [scale 0 127 0 500] incomming messages from 0 to 127 are automatically scaled from 0 to 500... honestly i'm of the firm conviction that you should learn how scaling works: it really is only a matter of adding, multiplying, dividing, subtracting - stuff you should heave learned in primary school. as frank pointed out, this should do for you: | [/ 127] | [* 500] | if you find it too tedious to do the maths over and over again, you might want to create an abstraction. being able to solve trivial problems like this will surely empower you to solve more complex problems :-) gamsdr IOhannes ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Scaling values in pd
Hey, I made this abstract some time ago, I use it very much. http://puredata.hurleur.com/viewtopic.php?id=9218 El 02/09/13 18:24, José Luis Santorcuato Tapia escribió: Hi [autoscale 0 10] Also you can check the help file. Best José El 02/09/2013 21:01, Dan Wilcox danomat...@gmail.com mailto:danomat...@gmail.com escribió: Also maxlib/scale in pd-extended. On Sep 2, 2013, at 1:22 PM, pd-list-requ...@iem.at mailto:pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote: *From:*Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org mailto:f...@footils.org *Subject:**Re: [PD] Scaling values in pd* *Date:*September 2, 2013 12:43:24 PM EDT *To:*pd-list@iem.at mailto:pd-list@iem.at On Mon, Sep 02, 2013 at 06:17:37PM +0200, hghoyer wrote: in Max/MSP there is an object for simple scaling. If you create in MAX these object with this arguments: [scale 0 127 0 500] incomming messages from 0 to 127 are automatically scaled from 0 to 500... Is in PD a similar easyly way to scale values? You can use an abstraction like m_scale.pd from the ri-library (attached) for this. Or just divide by 127 and multiply with 500. :) Dan Wilcox @danomatika danomatika.com http://danomatika.com robotcowboy.com http://robotcowboy.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Worse performance with -nogui.
Thanks for the response, Claude. I don't understand what SR is. Why 0 and 44100? Following Maelstorm suggestion, I'm using 48000. He says the soundcard clocks better when you set the sample rate to something that easily divides by milliseconds, and it seems to be true. I get less xruns when using 48000 than 44100 El 15/08/13 14:11, Claude Heiland-Allen escribió: On 15/08/13 05:22, Mario Mey wrote: I'm using Pd-Extended 0.43.4 Nevermind what I said in my earlier reply, this version doesn't have that particular bug (but 0.41 and 0.42 extended do, and so does pd-l2ork git master as of today): Pd version 0.41-4extended compiled 17:56:28 Aug 15 2013 SR: 0 SR: 44100 Pd version 0.42-5extended compiled 13:25:06 Aug 15 2013 SR: 0 SR: 44100 Pd-0.43.4 (extended) compiled 12:23:46 Aug 15 2013 SR: 44100 SR: 44100 Pd-l2ork version 20130724 compiled 18:10:00 Aug 15 2013 SR: 0 SR: 44100 Claude ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Worse performance with -nogui.
Two issues: First at all, when trying my patch (MEH-SYSTEM) with -nogui option, I was having a Segment fault... untill I discovered that the Robot FX, from RJDJ was turning DSP on and DSP was already on (was turned on with a [loadbang]-[delay 2000]). This crashed Pd. Maybe a bug...? Attempting to save some CPU (-nogui option), I started using the patch and recorded all the sample banks... then, a lot of noisy clicks started to appear. If I mute all the banks, the clicks are there, at low volume but very audible. Then, I realized that that noise is there only with -nogui option. Using GUI, it sounds great. Is this a known issue? Because I expected to have the opposite result... I'm using Pd-Extended 0.43.4, Ubuntu 12.04, Jackd (Jack2?) with 256frames, 2periods, 48000, PulseAudio uninstalled, with a USB soundcard (Encore ENMAB-8CM). It does the same noise with the integrated soundcard. Here is the WIP (it is 0.7 version... but almost 1.0): http://puredata.hurleur.com/viewtopic.php?pid=37430 If I can give you any other information, just ask for it. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [Bulk] Benefits of using an external soundcard?
Well, the only things I want for my system is, obviously, killer fireballs and death lasers. A soundcard like that, here, it costs ARS $1.500 - $2.000. Here, the minimum wage is ARS $3.300 (I'm an artist and my income is different)... but, for you to understand how much electronic devices cost to us. The Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 10' costed ARS $3.000 to me, last year. I will buy a $200 soundcard. So, I have the benefits that I wrote in previous mail... and, for the moment, it will be OK. Thanks! El 11/08/13 19:39, batinste escribió: benefits of using an external soundcard : - standard plugs : TRS 6.35 or XLR ios. - hence symmetric signal ios (possibly) : far more robust to electrical interferences - when i say standard plugs, i also mean professional heavy duty reliable plugs and jacks - preamps - headphones monitoring - phantom power - hi-z input (plugging guitars !) - built-in midi ios - on a budget : not looking weird to the sound guy anymore, impress the chicks with all your blinky stuff. - now add more $$$ : more ios, built-in effects, matrix mixer with (almost) zero latency, S/PDIF, ADAT, inserts, standalone mode, fireballs and lasers, instant world domination (MADI), more blinkiness. On 08/08/2013 22:30, Mario Mey wrote: I'm using my integrated soundcard: 00:14.2 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) (rev 40). I know that Pd is processing on CPU and I don't need more than 2 inputs and 2 outputs channels. So... I think that there's no need to buy an external one. Is there any benefit of using one? I know that this USB soundcard is not a very good one... but maybe it's good for my economy. What's your opinion? http://www.encore-usa.com/ar/support/ENMAB-8CM ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Benefits of using an external soundcard?
Brian: I comment between lines: El 09/08/13 09:42, Brian Fay escribió: Is there a specific type of microphone you will be using? I've seen some videos of Beardyman recently using some type of hands-free lavalier microphone. I will use my wireless VHF SHURE microphone (I know it is old). The original is a headset, but, for beatbox, I use a SM-58 connected to the same trasnmisor. It sounds different, so, the SM-58 jack has a resistor to turn the gain down and an EQ in PureData, to make it sound like the other. I don't know if I will use the headset (as Beardyman) or the SM-58. It is about comfort. This and other condenser microphones require Phantom Power, which is provided by many audio interfaces and mixers but generally not built in to an internal soundcard. It doesn't need phantom power. See how far you can get with what you have; there's no point in buying something that you don't need. But you might find that you do need one eventually. I will buy the cheap soundcard (ARS $200). I understand what you say, but it has some benefits: - I care the notebook audio-out jack. USB is more resistent for pluging and unpluging. I (this) summer, I work in a park and I do what this video shows, EVERYNIGHT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNUZULR7k18 - I have more inputs and outputs (for future features). - Maybe, I avoid noise in the line (for the moment, I don't have it... but I think it depends on the power line of the location). - Sometimes, I do record some samples... it will be usefull for that. Keep in mind that you'll need very low latency (less than 20 miliseconds) for your application. I'm not sure if this is affected by the sound card or not. All of the audio processing happens on the CPU, but maybe the buffering stages for the sound card add enough delay to add latency... could somebody with more familiarity chime in here? For now, I have 5.8ms of latency. It's very good for me. If you are saying that an external soundcard would add latency... more than the internal, so, it is not good! Thanks. On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Mario Mey mario...@gmail.com mailto:mario...@gmail.com wrote: El 08/08/13 17:50, Charles Z Henry escribió: Hi Mario The number one reason for having an external sound card is noise isolation. The card's proximity to the power supply and motherboard are bad for EM noise. Also, a computer power supply and a good audio power supply for recording have much the same relationship--there's more noise in switching electronics. Next, there's the size constraints. You'd have a hard time adding all the connectors for a large number of channels on a card which plugs in to your PCI(e) slots. It's ok, I have a notebook: 1 plug out, 1 plug in. Third: there's not as great a need for bandwidth for audio as there is with video. Video cards need all that PCI(e) bandwidth. Audio doesn't. It's a relatively small amount of data. Of course--I think USB and firewire really don't have enough bandwidth for good scalability, but that's another discussion. But... what are you doing with it? You have different requirements for recording and for live sound. Live sound: just do it up. No one will likely notice. Live sound is my purpose. Mic-in looping-station and multieffects system (following the steps of Beardyman and his Beardytron_5000). But, sorry about not understanding your expresion (english is not my native language) What do you mean with just do it up, no one will likely notice? Should I buy it or no one will notice the difference? I think you mean I should... If you're planning on recording something on just 2 channels on the built-in sound card, keep in mind that your dynamic range will be pretty bad, even if you get a good pre-amp in the middle to take the most advantage of your range. You'd much rather have an external sound card with some adjustable analog pre-amps in the box. About the soundcard I post, the Encore 7.1 ENMAB-8CM (http://www.encore-usa.com/ar/support/ENMAB-8CM)... it's really a china generic useless card... or it's good for starting? It has no analog pot. Chuck Thanks so much for your time. On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Mario Mey mario...@gmail.com mailto:mario...@gmail.com wrote: I'm using my integrated soundcard: 00:14.2 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) (rev 40). I know that Pd is processing on CPU and I don't need more than 2 inputs and 2 outputs channels. So... I think that there's no need to buy an external one. Is there any benefit of using one? I know that this USB soundcard is not a very good one... but maybe it's good for my economy. What's your opinion? http://www.encore-usa.com/ar/support/ENMAB-8CM
Re: [PD] Benefits of using an external soundcard?
Charles, as I answer to Brian, I paste the same about the soundcard /I will buy the cheap soundcard (ARS $200). I understand what you say, but it has some benefits:// // //- I care the notebook audio-out jack. USB is more resistent for pluging and unpluging. I (this) summer, I work in a park and I do what this video shows, EVERYNIGHT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNUZULR7k18// //- I have more inputs and outputs (for future features).// //- Maybe, I avoid noise in the line (for the moment, I don't have it... but I think it depends on the power line of the location).// //- Sometimes, I do record some samples... it will be usefull for that.// / And, you can check BEARDYTRON_5000 here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OlHSNpYg0A and other videos there. Thanks. El 09/08/13 11:34, Charles Z Henry escribió: On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 6:28 AM, Mario Mey mario...@gmail.com mailto:mario...@gmail.com wrote: El 08/08/13 17:50, Charles Z Henry escribió: Hi Mario The number one reason for having an external sound card is noise isolation. The card's proximity to the power supply and motherboard are bad for EM noise. Also, a computer power supply and a good audio power supply for recording have much the same relationship--there's more noise in switching electronics. Next, there's the size constraints. You'd have a hard time adding all the connectors for a large number of channels on a card which plugs in to your PCI(e) slots. It's ok, I have a notebook: 1 plug out, 1 plug in. Third: there's not as great a need for bandwidth for audio as there is with video. Video cards need all that PCI(e) bandwidth. Audio doesn't. It's a relatively small amount of data. Of course--I think USB and firewire really don't have enough bandwidth for good scalability, but that's another discussion. But... what are you doing with it? You have different requirements for recording and for live sound. Live sound: just do it up. No one will likely notice. Live sound is my purpose. Mic-in looping-station and multieffects system (following the steps of Beardyman and his Beardytron_5000). But, sorry about not understanding your expresion (english is not my native language) What do you mean with just do it up, no one will likely notice? Should I buy it or no one will notice the difference? I think you mean I should... Just use the onboard sound. Live performance or installations can be much more tolerant of noise. You may have to tune your patches for the hardware, but don't give it too much thought and just do it up (a recommendation). I'm not familiar with Beardyman/tron_5000. That sounds cool. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Benefits of using an external soundcard?
El 08/08/13 17:50, Charles Z Henry escribió: Hi Mario The number one reason for having an external sound card is noise isolation. The card's proximity to the power supply and motherboard are bad for EM noise. Also, a computer power supply and a good audio power supply for recording have much the same relationship--there's more noise in switching electronics. Next, there's the size constraints. You'd have a hard time adding all the connectors for a large number of channels on a card which plugs in to your PCI(e) slots. It's ok, I have a notebook: 1 plug out, 1 plug in. Third: there's not as great a need for bandwidth for audio as there is with video. Video cards need all that PCI(e) bandwidth. Audio doesn't. It's a relatively small amount of data. Of course--I think USB and firewire really don't have enough bandwidth for good scalability, but that's another discussion. But... what are you doing with it? You have different requirements for recording and for live sound. Live sound: just do it up. No one will likely notice. Live sound is my purpose. Mic-in looping-station and multieffects system (following the steps of Beardyman and his Beardytron_5000). But, sorry about not understanding your expresion (english is not my native language) What do you mean with just do it up, no one will likely notice? Should I buy it or no one will notice the difference? I think you mean I should... If you're planning on recording something on just 2 channels on the built-in sound card, keep in mind that your dynamic range will be pretty bad, even if you get a good pre-amp in the middle to take the most advantage of your range. You'd much rather have an external sound card with some adjustable analog pre-amps in the box. About the soundcard I post, the Encore 7.1 ENMAB-8CM (http://www.encore-usa.com/ar/support/ENMAB-8CM)... it's really a china generic useless card... or it's good for starting? It has no analog pot. Chuck Thanks so much for your time. On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Mario Mey mario...@gmail.com mailto:mario...@gmail.com wrote: I'm using my integrated soundcard: 00:14.2 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) (rev 40). I know that Pd is processing on CPU and I don't need more than 2 inputs and 2 outputs channels. So... I think that there's no need to buy an external one. Is there any benefit of using one? I know that this USB soundcard is not a very good one... but maybe it's good for my economy. What's your opinion? http://www.encore-usa.com/ar/support/ENMAB-8CM ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] How to reduce CPU use on unused subpatches-abstracts?
The FX that are on are not always the same. The system lets you select 2 FX (one FX for each Console. It can be complex, having more than one. Eg: Delay/HPF). And, when the system starts, LPF are in both Consoles. And no, I'm not using Freverb~. For reverb, I use st-pureverb, from DIY2 collection, by Hardoff. Thanks. El 08/08/13 05:41, James Dunn escribió: Quoth Mario Mey, on 07/08/2013 20:32: /./ Ready-to-use, 2 FXs on: *26%* (there are 2 FXs always on, although they are muted) Are the effects that are always on [freeverb]? This could consume CPU, see these threads: http://www.mail-archive.com/pd-list@iem.at/msg27143.html http://www.mail-archive.com/pd-list@iem.at/msg56905.html ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Benefits of using an external soundcard?
I'm using my integrated soundcard: 00:14.2 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) (rev 40). I know that Pd is processing on CPU and I don't need more than 2 inputs and 2 outputs channels. So... I think that there's no need to buy an external one. Is there any benefit of using one? I know that this USB soundcard is not a very good one... but maybe it's good for my economy. What's your opinion? http://www.encore-usa.com/ar/support/ENMAB-8CM ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] How to reduce CPU use on unused subpatches-abstracts?
Thanks all for responding. After doing some tests, with suggestion from mail-list and from (Maelstorm), I want to show you the current structure of the complete patch (the same I wrote in forum): /Main patch (meh_system.pd)// //• OSC messaging (for the tablet), input and output (EQ), BPM, metronome, Beats-to-rec, mode selector, etc.// //• FXs Console x2 (meh_console.pd)// //- - FXs group selector, X-Y pad, Hold button, some signal and message redirection, etc. (subpatches)// //- - FXs groups x8 subpatches.// //- - - FXs abstracts x100 (fx-*.pd) ***// //• Sample Bank X8 (meh_bank.pd)// //- - Control subpatch [pd toggle-color-seteos]// //- - Sample - Resample subpatch [pd rec-sample-resample] ***// //- - Looping subpatch [pd rec-looping] ***// //- - Overdub subpatch [pd overdub] ***// //- - Playing subpatch [pd play]// // /The ones that have ***, have [switch~] inside. Using throw~/catch~ and s~/r~, the audio signals (right/left, sample/resample) get inside and outside all that subpatches-abstracts. After adding switch~ inside them, *I got these RESULTS*: /•/ Ready-to-use, 2 FXs on: *26%* (there are 2 FXs always on, although they are muted) /• /7 Banks playing, 1 Overdubbing, 2 FXs on: *32%* /• /DSP off: *6%* As you can see, from 47%, I achieve 20% less than before. I think it is very good! But, with DSP off, I have 6% and there's no message processing. Maelstorm told me that it is too much for doing nothing... and, we think that it is because of having all that abstracts there. If I delete them, I have 1-2%. The FX Console abstract (main patch has 2 of them) has all the FXs inside (100 items). Each FX has 4 to 8 abstracts inside (most of them are DIY2 effects, by Hardoff, but it also has a Panel abstract and some others). So... 2 * 100 * 6 = 1200 abstracs, more or less. Even if they are swithched off... THEY ARE THERE. Maybe this increase the CPU to 6%? I repeat the WIP thread, where MEH-SYSTEM can be downloaded and tested: http://puredata.hurleur.com/viewtopic.php?pid=37430 (it uses externals from PdExt and the zip includes ipoke2~.pd_linux for 64bits (my version of ipoke~, by Katja), but it's only for overdubbing) Thanks again. El 07/08/13 04:57, Roman Haefeli escribió: On Wed, 2013-08-07 at 08:40 +0200, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: On 08/07/13 03:15, Miller Puckette wrote: Hmmm... I was umnder the impression that, except for the overhead of block~ and switch~ objects, there would be no difference in DSP execution time between a patch having lots of subpatches and one with the same amount of computation all thrown in one window. I haven't made any measurements but theoreticall at least there shouldn't be any difference. i once did make measurements, and they showed that your assumption is correct. or at least, it showed that it *was* correct at that time. this was on a P2-400MHz in 1998 or so, where a 16 channel spatialization patch would eat about 95% of the CPU - regardless of whether you used a single huge patch or organized the code into subpatches/abstractions. eventually i went for using abstractions, and let the PC run at 95% for the 2 weeks show. I once made some informal tests to measure the overhead of [switch~]. It turned out it is quite big and if you're running hundreds or thousands instances of [switch~] you probably gain nothing by turning DSP off in subpatches. I don't know what the sweet spot is it seems using [switch~] is only worth for subpatches with a minimum amount of (DSP) complexity. Roman ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] How to reduce CPU use on unused subpatches-abstracts?
Oh... *compile*... I'm afraid of that word. Once (during some days), I tried to compile Pd... but with no good results. I will try to download the source, look for a easy-to-compile tutorial... but, if it takes me so much time, I think I'll go on with the current version of PdExt (0.43.4). Maybe I will try it later... or later... or even more later. To profile Pd, is there an option in my version, or I have to change code, like #define PROFILE 1? Cheers. El 07/08/13 16:53, Miller Puckette escribió: Here's an idea ... perhaps your patch is generating hundreds of thousands of symbols to instantiate all the abstractions, and this sould be making gensym() run slowly. To test this possibility easily you could change #define HASHSIZE 1024 to #define HASHSIZE 65536 or so, recompile and see if that makes it run faster. (Of course, I don't know why gensym() would be getting called periodically when Pd is idling; perhaps you could find that out by profiling Pd?) cheers Miller On Wed, Aug 07, 2013 at 04:32:30PM -0300, Mario Mey wrote: Thanks all for responding. After doing some tests, with suggestion from mail-list and from (Maelstorm), I want to show you the current structure of the complete patch (the same I wrote in forum): /Main patch (meh_system.pd)// //• OSC messaging (for the tablet), input and output (EQ), BPM, metronome, Beats-to-rec, mode selector, etc.// //• FXs Console x2 (meh_console.pd)// //- - FXs group selector, X-Y pad, Hold button, some signal and message redirection, etc. (subpatches)// //- - FXs groups x8 subpatches.// //- - - FXs abstracts x100 (fx-*.pd) ***// //• Sample Bank X8 (meh_bank.pd)// //- - Control subpatch [pd toggle-color-seteos]// //- - Sample - Resample subpatch [pd rec-sample-resample] ***// //- - Looping subpatch [pd rec-looping] ***// //- - Overdub subpatch [pd overdub] ***// //- - Playing subpatch [pd play]// // /The ones that have ***, have [switch~] inside. Using throw~/catch~ and s~/r~, the audio signals (right/left, sample/resample) get inside and outside all that subpatches-abstracts. After adding switch~ inside them, *I got these RESULTS*: /•/ Ready-to-use, 2 FXs on: *26%* (there are 2 FXs always on, although they are muted) /• /7 Banks playing, 1 Overdubbing, 2 FXs on: *32%* /• /DSP off: *6%* As you can see, from 47%, I achieve 20% less than before. I think it is very good! But, with DSP off, I have 6% and there's no message processing. Maelstorm told me that it is too much for doing nothing... and, we think that it is because of having all that abstracts there. If I delete them, I have 1-2%. The FX Console abstract (main patch has 2 of them) has all the FXs inside (100 items). Each FX has 4 to 8 abstracts inside (most of them are DIY2 effects, by Hardoff, but it also has a Panel abstract and some others). So... 2 * 100 * 6 = 1200 abstracs, more or less. Even if they are swithched off... THEY ARE THERE. Maybe this increase the CPU to 6%? I repeat the WIP thread, where MEH-SYSTEM can be downloaded and tested: http://puredata.hurleur.com/viewtopic.php?pid=37430 (it uses externals from PdExt and the zip includes ipoke2~.pd_linux for 64bits (my version of ipoke~, by Katja), but it's only for overdubbing) Thanks again. El 07/08/13 04:57, Roman Haefeli escribió: On Wed, 2013-08-07 at 08:40 +0200, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: On 08/07/13 03:15, Miller Puckette wrote: Hmmm... I was umnder the impression that, except for the overhead of block~ and switch~ objects, there would be no difference in DSP execution time between a patch having lots of subpatches and one with the same amount of computation all thrown in one window. I haven't made any measurements but theoreticall at least there shouldn't be any difference. i once did make measurements, and they showed that your assumption is correct. or at least, it showed that it *was* correct at that time. this was on a P2-400MHz in 1998 or so, where a 16 channel spatialization patch would eat about 95% of the CPU - regardless of whether you used a single huge patch or organized the code into subpatches/abstractions. eventually i went for using abstractions, and let the PC run at 95% for the 2 weeks show. I once made some informal tests to measure the overhead of [switch~]. It turned out it is quite big and if you're running hundreds or thousands instances of [switch~] you probably gain nothing by turning DSP off in subpatches. I don't know what the sweet spot is it seems using [switch~] is only worth for subpatches with a minimum amount of (DSP) complexity. Roman ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management
[PD] How to reduce CPU use on unused subpatches-abstracts?
Hi, there... I really need some help. I'm working on a looper-multi-effects (big) patch. It has more than, more or less, 100 stereo FXs. They are all inside the patch as abstracts. But, to avoid them to consume CPU, each one has a [switch~ 0] if it is not working. So, there're only two FX at a time, where the DSP is on. Something like this: Main patch: adc~ | \ | [s $0-pre-r] [s $0-pre-l] [catch~ $0-post-l] | [catch~ $0-post-r] |/ [dac~] (the same for Each FX as file-abstracts (using [fx1 $0] to call them) inside the main patch: [r $1-pre-l] [r $1-pre-r] | / [The-FX-itself.] | \ [throw~ $1-post-l] [throw~ $1-post-r] [0( [1( | / [switch~] This technics DOES work very well. Buuut... when having 100 FX at the same time (even not working), the CPU increase 15-20%. I repeat, there're only two FX working at the time. The rest are turned-off. For now, the CPU use is: Ready-to-use, 2 FXs on, DSP on: 47% Recorded and playing 8 stereo-banks, 2 FXs being used, DSP on: 60 - 62% (I have quite a few XRUNS) Ready-to-use, 2 FXs on, DSP off: 7% As you can see, the non-signal processing is very low. What I think is that each FX is working when receiving and/or throwing signal (200 [receive~] and [throw~] objects)... even they are sending and/or processing nothing. Is there any other way to connect all the FXs to the main patch and to have a lower CPU consumption? Maybe [inlet~] and [outlet~] consume less CPU? (I should connect all the FX at hand... or find a aumotated way to do it) Thanks a lot. Mario Mey ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] How to reduce CPU use on unused subpatches-abstracts?
Thanks, Roman, but I'm already using [switch~] inside each FX, to stop processing the signal. I learned it some time ago, from here: http://puredata.hurleur.com/viewtopic.php?pid=35939#p35939 But I think that [receive~] and [throw~] are still using CPU. I didn't try to use inlet~ and outlet~, because I have to make 400 conections at hand... that's why I asking first. If it will work, I'll do it (or find a way to automatically do it) El 05/08/13 09:29, Roman Haefeli escribió: Hi Mario Check [switch~] and its help patch. Roman On Mon, 2013-08-05 at 09:03 -0300, Mario Mey wrote: Hi, there... I really need some help. I'm working on a looper-multi-effects (big) patch. It has more than, more or less, 100 stereo FXs. They are all inside the patch as abstracts. But, to avoid them to consume CPU, each one has a [switch~ 0] if it is not working. So, there're only two FX at a time, where the DSP is on. Something like this: Main patch: adc~ | \ | [s $0-pre-r] [s $0-pre-l] [catch~ $0-post-l] | [catch~ $0-post-r] |/ [dac~] (the same for Each FX as file-abstracts (using [fx1 $0] to call them) inside the main patch: [r $1-pre-l] [r $1-pre-r] | / [The-FX-itself.] | \ [throw~ $1-post-l] [throw~ $1-post-r] [0( [1( | / [switch~] This technics DOES work very well. Buuut... when having 100 FX at the same time (even not working), the CPU increase 15-20%. I repeat, there're only two FX working at the time. The rest are turned-off. For now, the CPU use is: Ready-to-use, 2 FXs on, DSP on: 47% Recorded and playing 8 stereo-banks, 2 FXs being used, DSP on: 60 - 62% (I have quite a few XRUNS) Ready-to-use, 2 FXs on, DSP off: 7% As you can see, the non-signal processing is very low. What I think is that each FX is working when receiving and/or throwing signal (200 [receive~] and [throw~] objects)... even they are sending and/or processing nothing. Is there any other way to connect all the FXs to the main patch and to have a lower CPU consumption? Maybe [inlet~] and [outlet~] consume less CPU? (I should connect all the FX at hand... or find a aumotated way to do it) Thanks a lot. Mario Mey ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] How to reduce CPU use on unused subpatches-abstracts?
Hi, J. Thanks for the response. Following some suggestion (from you, Maelstorm, Servando Barreiro), I made some tests. I took the dare to post your mail in the thread... maybe it's better to post there, if anyone has the same problem or just wants to learn. Here is the thread: http://puredata.hurleur.com/viewtopic.php?pid=37895 I answer your mail right there. Could you take a look? Anyway, as I writed there, I WILL CHECK IT AGAIN, AND I WILL DO SOME OTHER TESTS. El 05/08/13 10:36, J Oliver escribió: Hi Mario, There is a thread somewhere about connections vs. s/r throw/catch, don't have time right now to search for it, but I'm sure it is there. If I remember correctly the overhead is not that big and you don't want to be connecting all that stuff by hand. In any case, there are other things to look for. If you are using graphics objects, or objects like env~ you might want to bring down the refresh rate. Are there any [metro 1] or similar objects lying around which you might have forgotten about? Do you have a lot of GOP? I am not sure this is entirely relevant, but it might be worth researching... Also, control operations do take some cpu. do you have a big control layer? J Thanks, Roman, but I'm already using [switch~] inside each FX, to stop processing the signal. I learned it some time ago, from here: http://puredata.hurleur.com/viewtopic.php?pid=35939#p35939 But I think that [receive~] and [throw~] are still using CPU. I didn't try to use inlet~ and outlet~, because I have to make 400 conections at hand... that's why I asking first. If it will work, I'll do it (or find a way to automatically do it) El 05/08/13 09:29, Roman Haefeli escribió: Hi Mario Check [switch~] and its help patch. Roman On Mon, 2013-08-05 at 09:03 -0300, Mario Mey wrote: Hi, there... I really need some help. I'm working on a looper-multi-effects (big) patch. It has more than, more or less, 100 stereo FXs. They are all inside the patch as abstracts. But, to avoid them to consume CPU, each one has a [switch~ 0] if it is not working. So, there're only two FX at a time, where the DSP is on. Something like this: Main patch: adc~ | \ | [s $0-pre-r] [s $0-pre-l] [catch~ $0-post-l] | [catch~ $0-post-r] |/ [dac~] (the same for Each FX as file-abstracts (using [fx1 $0] to call them) inside the main patch: [r $1-pre-l] [r $1-pre-r] | / [The-FX-itself.] | \ [throw~ $1-post-l] [throw~ $1-post-r] [0( [1( | / [switch~] This technics DOES work very well. Buuut... when having 100 FX at the same time (even not working), the CPU increase 15-20%. I repeat, there're only two FX working at the time. The rest are turned-off. For now, the CPU use is: Ready-to-use, 2 FXs on, DSP on: 47% Recorded and playing 8 stereo-banks, 2 FXs being used, DSP on: 60 - 62% (I have quite a few XRUNS) Ready-to-use, 2 FXs on, DSP off: 7% As you can see, the non-signal processing is very low. What I think is that each FX is working when receiving and/or throwing signal (200 [receive~] and [throw~] objects)... even they are sending and/or processing nothing. Is there any other way to connect all the FXs to the main patch and to have a lower CPU consumption? Maybe [inlet~] and [outlet~] consume less CPU? (I should connect all the FX at hand... or find a aumotated way to do it) Thanks a lot. Mario Mey ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Using opensource graphic drivers, Pd-extended turn all the computer VERY SLOW.
Hi, everybody. I work with 3D engine (Blender) on Ubuntu 12.04. One year ago, I bought a HP (Pavilion dv6 3160us) with two graphic cards and I just make the discrete card (ATI 5650) work TODAY! (yes, one year later). It is working on open source drivers. Everything seems to be OK (well, now the computer is 80º celcius, now)... but, in the moment I run Pd or Pd-Extended (that controls all the audio: sounds, music, effects, etc), the computer gets VERY SLOW. Everything, from the 3D Engine to moving windows or running any other application or writting this mail. I looked at the cpu monitor and it's ok. Pd is using 8% of CPU. If I turn DSP off, everything gets normal. It doesn't matter if it uses ALSA or Jack: it's the same. It doesn't matter if I use the discrette or the integrated graphic card: it's the same. Using Pd from Ubuntu Software Center and Pd-Extended from http://www.mail-archive.com/pd-list@iem.at/msg51542.html Any idea? ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Compiling...
With liblua5.1-0-dev installed, it could compile. Now, I have the .deb... trying to install with Software Center, I couldn't. Using dpkg -i Pddeb, I have this: mario@Mario-PK3D:~/pd-extended/packages/linux_make$ sudo dpkg -i Pd-0.43.1-extended-20110706.deb [sudo] password for mario: (Leyendo la base de datos ... 253108 ficheros o directorios instalados actualmente.) Preparando para reemplazar pd-extended 0.42.5-2 (usando Pd-0.43.1-extended-20110706.deb) ... Desempaquetando el reemplazo de pd-extended ... dpkg: error al procesar Pd-0.43.1-extended-20110706.deb (--install): intentando sobreescribir `/usr/bin/pd', que está también en el paquete puredata 0.42.6-2 dpkg-deb: error: el subproceso copiado se mató con la señal *(Tubería rota)* Se encontraron errores al procesar: Pd-0.43.1-extended-20110706.deb mario@Mario-PK3D:~/pd-extended/packages/linux_make$ I don't know why it says Broken pipe. Then I write dpkg -i --force-all Pd...deb and it installed... /mario@Mario-PK3D:~/pd-extended/packages/linux_make$ sudo dpkg -i --force-all Pd-0.43.1-extended-20110706.deb (Leyendo la base de datos ... 253108 ficheros o directorios instalados actualmente.) Preparando para reemplazar pd-extended 0.42.5-2 (usando Pd-0.43.1-extended-20110706.deb) ... Desempaquetando el reemplazo de pd-extended ... dpkg: aviso: sobreseyendo el problema porque está activa la opción --force: intentando sobreescribir `/usr/bin/pd', que está también en el paquete puredata 0.42.6-2 dpkg: aviso: sobreseyendo el problema porque está activa la opción --force: intentando sobreescribir `/usr/include/m_pd.h', que está también en el paquete puredata 0.42.6-2 Configurando pd-extended (0.43.1~cvs20110706-1) ... Procesando disparadores para hicolor-icon-theme ... Procesando disparadores para bamfdaemon ... Rebuilding /usr/share/applications/bamf.index... Procesando disparadores para desktop-file-utils ... Procesando disparadores para python-gmenu ... Rebuilding /usr/share/applications/desktop.es_AR.utf8.cache... Procesando disparadores para shared-mime-info ... Unknown media type in type 'all/all' Unknown media type in type 'all/allfiles' Unknown media type in type 'uri/mms' Unknown media type in type 'uri/mmst' Unknown media type in type 'uri/mmsu' Unknown media type in type 'uri/pnm' Unknown media type in type 'uri/rtspt' Unknown media type in type 'uri/rtspu' Unknown media type in type 'interface/x-winamp-skin' Procesando disparadores para man-db ... Procesando disparadores para ureadahead ... Procesando disparadores para python-support ... mario@Mario-PK3D:~/pd-extended/packages/linux_make$ sudo dpkg -i --force-all Pd-0.43.1-extended-20110706.deb Seleccionando el paquete pd-extended previamente no seleccionado. (Leyendo la base de datos ... 246529 ficheros o directorios instalados actualmente.) Desempaquetando pd-extended (de Pd-0.43.1-extended-20110706.deb) ... Configurando pd-extended (0.43.1~cvs20110706-1) ... Procesando disparadores para hicolor-icon-theme ... Procesando disparadores para bamfdaemon ... Rebuilding /usr/share/applications/bamf.index... Procesando disparadores para desktop-file-utils ... Procesando disparadores para python-gmenu ... Rebuilding /usr/share/applications/desktop.es_AR.utf8.cache... Procesando disparadores para shared-mime-info ... Unknown media type in type 'all/all' Unknown media type in type 'all/allfiles' Unknown media type in type 'uri/mms' Unknown media type in type 'uri/mmst' Unknown media type in type 'uri/mmsu' Unknown media type in type 'uri/pnm' Unknown media type in type 'uri/rtspt' Unknown media type in type 'uri/rtspu' Unknown media type in type 'interface/x-winamp-skin' Procesando disparadores para man-db ... Procesando disparadores para ureadahead ... Procesando disparadores para python-support ... / I don't find the pd-extended or pdextended to run it from terminal, neither the icon appear in the Ubuntu Menu. If I run /usr/lib/pd-extended/bin/pd... Pd-Extended runs... but with very very ugly and small font. There're a lot of boxes - commands that don't work: From TIME: delay, line, timer, cputime, realtime, pipe From MATH: random From MIDI: all From MISC: all, less declare From AUDIO MATH: the most From AUDIO GLUE: dac~, adc~, bang~ From AUDIO DELAY: All Also, the bang (Ctrl-Shift-B) and toogle (Ctrl-Shift-B) don't work. Instead of that, it appears: bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 tgl 15 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -203904 -1 -1 1 1 I think it is not completly installed...? El 06/07/11 17:57, Martin Peach escribió: On 2011-07-06 16:42, Mario Mey wrote: *pdlua.c:40:17: fatal error: lua.h: No existe el fichero o el directorio* *compilation terminated. You need to install the lua-dev package. Martin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Compiling...
Ok remeve gem and gem2pdp. Now, I have these last lines: /[...] chmod a-x helplink.pd_linux make[3]: se sale del directorio «/home/mario/pd-extended/externals/pddp» make -C /home/mario/pd-extended/externals/loaders/pdlua/src PD_PATH=/home/mario/pd-extended/pd CFLAGS=-DPD -I/home/mario/pd-extended/pd/src -Wall -W -ggdb -I/home/mario/pd-extended/externals/Gem -I/home/mario/pd-extended/externals/pdp/include -DUNIX -Dunix -DDL_OPEN -fPIC make[3]: se ingresa al directorio «/home/mario/pd-extended/externals/loaders/pdlua/src» compiling pdlua version 0.6 cflags are -DPD -I/home/mario/pd-extended/pd/src -Wall -W -ggdb -I/home/mario/pd-extended/externals/Gem -I/home/mario/pd-extended/externals/pdp/include -DUNIX -Dunix -DDL_OPEN -fPIC optcflags are -O2 luacflags are -DVERSION='0.6' -I/usr/include/lua5.1 ldflags are -Wl,--export-dynamic -shared -fPIC libs are -llua5.1 -lc cc -DPD -I/home/mario/pd-extended/pd/src -Wall -W -ggdb -I/home/mario/pd-extended/externals/Gem -I/home/mario/pd-extended/externals/pdp/include -DUNIX -Dunix -DDL_OPEN -fPIC -O2 -DVERSION='0.6' -I/usr/include/lua5.1 -o pdlua.o -c pdlua.c *pdlua.c:40:17: fatal error: lua.h: No existe el fichero o el directorio* *compilation terminated. *make[3]: *** [pdlua.o] Error 1 make[3]: se sale del directorio «/home/mario/pd-extended/externals/loaders/pdlua/src» make[2]: *** [loaders-pdlua] Error 2 make[2]: se sale del directorio «/home/mario/pd-extended/externals» make[1]: *** [externals_install] Error 2 make[1]: se sale del directorio «/home/mario/pd-extended/packages» make: *** [install] Error 2 mario@Mario-PK3D:~/pd-extended/packages/linux_make$ / El 06/07/11 13:22, Hans-Christoph Steiner escribió: That error is from compiling Gem: make[5]: se sale del directorio «/home/mario/pd-extended/externals/Gem/src» So it seems that Gem is still being built. You'll also want to remove gem2pdp .hc On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 04:21 -0300, Mario Meymario...@gmail.com wrote: I remove the gem from that file... and the same error... El 05/07/11 23:36, Hans-Christoph Steiner escribió: Gem is currently broken on GNU/Linux and IOhannes is on vacation. To make a build, remove 'gem' from LIB_TARGETS in pd-extended/externals/Makefile and the rest should build. .hc On Jul 4, 2011, at 11:47 PM, Mario Mey wrote: Trying to compile PureData, SVN, on Ubuntu 11.04 AMD64, following the instruction from the page http://puredata.info/docs/developer, I did: 1.- rsync from the auto-build farm (from http://puredata.info/docs/developer/GettingPdSource) rsync -av --delete rsync://128.238.56.50/distros/pd-extended/ pd-extended/ 2.- Preparing Ubuntu: http://puredata.info/docs/developer/UbuntuMaverick 3.- Building PD-Extended: http://puredata.info/docs/developer/BuildingPdExtended But there's no .tar.bz2 or .deb on pure-data/packages/linux-make/build... These are the last lines while compilling. What should I do? I don't understand... /[...] /bin/bash ../../libtool --tag=CXX --mode=compile g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../../src -I../../src -DPD -I/home/mario/pd-extended/pd/src -DHAVE_S_STUFF_H -O2 -freg-struct-return -O3 -falign-loops -falign-functions -falign-jumps -funroll-loops -ffast-math -mmmx -MT libGem_la-SynchedWorkerThread.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/libGem_la-SynchedWorkerThread.Tpo -c -o libGem_la-SynchedWorkerThread.lo `test -f 'SynchedWorkerThread.cpp' || echo './'`SynchedWorkerThread.cpp libtool: compile: g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../../src -I../../src -DPD -I/home/mario/pd-extended/pd/src -DHAVE_S_STUFF_H -O2 -freg-struct-return -O3 -falign-loops -falign-functions -falign-jumps -funroll-loops -ffast-math -mmmx -MT libGem_la-SynchedWorkerThread.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/libGem_la-SynchedWorkerThread.Tpo -c SynchedWorkerThread.cpp -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/libGem_la-SynchedWorkerThread.o libtool: compile: g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../../src -I../../src -DPD -I/home/mario/pd-extended/pd/src -DHAVE_S_STUFF_H -O2 -freg-struct-return -O3 -falign-loops -falign-functions -falign-jumps -funroll-loops -ffast-math -mmmx -MT libGem_la-SynchedWorkerThread.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/libGem_la-SynchedWorkerThread.Tpo -c SynchedWorkerThread.cpp -o libGem_la-SynchedWorkerThread.o/dev/null 21 mv -f .deps/libGem_la-SynchedWorkerThread.Tpo .deps/libGem_la-SynchedWorkerThread.Plo /bin/bash ../../libtool --tag=CXX --mode=compile g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../../src -I../../src -DPD -I/home/mario/pd-extended/pd/src -DHAVE_S_STUFF_H -O2 -freg-struct-return -O3 -falign-loops -falign-functions -falign-jumps -funroll-loops -ffast-math -mmmx -MT libGem_la-WorkerThread.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/libGem_la-WorkerThread.Tpo -c -o libGem_la-WorkerThread.lo `test -f 'WorkerThread.cpp' || echo './'`WorkerThread.cpp libtool: compile: g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../../src -I../../src -DPD -I/home/mario/pd-extended/pd/src -DHAVE_S_STUFF_H -O2 -freg-struct-return -O3 -falign-loops -falign-functions -falign-jumps -funroll-loops -ffast-math -mmmx -MT libGem_la-WorkerThread.lo -MD -MP -MF
Re: [PD] Compiling...
The bang (Ctrl-Shift-B) and toogle (Ctrl-Shift-B) don't work. Instead of that, appear: bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 tgl 15 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -203904 -1 -1 1 1 ...? El 06/07/11 18:48, Mario Mey escribió: With liblua5.1-0-dev installed, it could compile. Now, I have the .deb... trying to install with Software Center, I couldn't. Using dpkg -i Pddeb, neither: mario@Mario-PK3D:~/pd-extended/packages/linux_make$ sudo dpkg -i Pd-0.43.1-extended-20110706.deb [sudo] password for mario: (Leyendo la base de datos ... 253108 ficheros o directorios instalados actualmente.) Preparando para reemplazar pd-extended 0.42.5-2 (usando Pd-0.43.1-extended-20110706.deb) ... Desempaquetando el reemplazo de pd-extended ... dpkg: error al procesar Pd-0.43.1-extended-20110706.deb (--install): intentando sobreescribir `/usr/bin/pd', que está también en el paquete puredata 0.42.6-2 dpkg-deb: error: el subproceso copiado se mató con la señal (Tubería rota) Se encontraron errores al procesar: Pd-0.43.1-extended-20110706.deb mario@Mario-PK3D:~/pd-extended/packages/linux_make$ Then I write dpkg -i --force-all Pd...deb and it installed... /mario@Mario-PK3D:~/pd-extended/packages/linux_make$ sudo dpkg -i --force-all Pd-0.43.1-extended-20110706.deb (Leyendo la base de datos ... 253108 ficheros o directorios instalados actualmente.) Preparando para reemplazar pd-extended 0.42.5-2 (usando Pd-0.43.1-extended-20110706.deb) ... Desempaquetando el reemplazo de pd-extended ... dpkg: aviso: sobreseyendo el problema porque está activa la opción --force: intentando sobreescribir `/usr/bin/pd', que está también en el paquete puredata 0.42.6-2 dpkg: aviso: sobreseyendo el problema porque está activa la opción --force: intentando sobreescribir `/usr/include/m_pd.h', que está también en el paquete puredata 0.42.6-2 Configurando pd-extended (0.43.1~cvs20110706-1) ... Procesando disparadores para hicolor-icon-theme ... Procesando disparadores para bamfdaemon ... Rebuilding /usr/share/applications/bamf.index... Procesando disparadores para desktop-file-utils ... Procesando disparadores para python-gmenu ... Rebuilding /usr/share/applications/desktop.es_AR.utf8.cache... Procesando disparadores para shared-mime-info ... Unknown media type in type 'all/all' Unknown media type in type 'all/allfiles' Unknown media type in type 'uri/mms' Unknown media type in type 'uri/mmst' Unknown media type in type 'uri/mmsu' Unknown media type in type 'uri/pnm' Unknown media type in type 'uri/rtspt' Unknown media type in type 'uri/rtspu' Unknown media type in type 'interface/x-winamp-skin' Procesando disparadores para man-db ... Procesando disparadores para ureadahead ... Procesando disparadores para python-support ... mario@Mario-PK3D:~/pd-extended/packages/linux_make$ sudo dpkg -i --force-all Pd-0.43.1-extended-20110706.deb Seleccionando el paquete pd-extended previamente no seleccionado. (Leyendo la base de datos ... 246529 ficheros o directorios instalados actualmente.) Desempaquetando pd-extended (de Pd-0.43.1-extended-20110706.deb) ... Configurando pd-extended (0.43.1~cvs20110706-1) ... Procesando disparadores para hicolor-icon-theme ... Procesando disparadores para bamfdaemon ... Rebuilding /usr/share/applications/bamf.index... Procesando disparadores para desktop-file-utils ... Procesando disparadores para python-gmenu ... Rebuilding /usr/share/applications/desktop.es_AR.utf8.cache... Procesando disparadores para shared-mime-info ... Unknown media type in type 'all/all' Unknown media type in type 'all/allfiles' Unknown media type in type 'uri/mms' Unknown media type in type 'uri/mmst' Unknown media type in type 'uri/mmsu' Unknown media type in type 'uri/pnm' Unknown media type in type 'uri/rtspt' Unknown media type in type 'uri/rtspu' Unknown media type in type 'interface/x-winamp-skin' Procesando disparadores para man-db ... Procesando disparadores para ureadahead ... Procesando disparadores para python-support ... / I don't find the pd-extended or pdextended to run it from terminal, neither the icon appear in the Ubuntu Menu. If I run /usr/lib/pd-extended/bin/pd... Pd-Extended runs... but with very very ugly font. There're a lot of boxes - commands that don't work: From TIME: delay, line, timer, cputime, realtime, pipe (don't work) From MATH: random From MIDI: all From MISC: all, less declare From AUDIO MATH: the most From AUDIO GLUE: dac~, adc~, bang~ From AUDIO DELAY: All I think it is not completly installed... El 06/07/11 17:57, Martin Peach escribió: On 2011-07-06 16:42, Mario Mey wrote: *pdlua.c:40:17: fatal error: lua.h: No existe el fichero o el directorio* *compilation terminated. You need to install the lua-dev package. Martin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Compiling...
With liblua5.1-0-dev installed, it could compile. Now, I have the .deb... trying to install with Software Center, I couldn't. Using dpkg -i Pddeb, neither: mario@Mario-PK3D:~/pd-extended/packages/linux_make$ sudo dpkg -i Pd-0.43.1-extended-20110706.deb [sudo] password for mario: (Leyendo la base de datos ... 253108 ficheros o directorios instalados actualmente.) Preparando para reemplazar pd-extended 0.42.5-2 (usando Pd-0.43.1-extended-20110706.deb) ... Desempaquetando el reemplazo de pd-extended ... dpkg: error al procesar Pd-0.43.1-extended-20110706.deb (--install): intentando sobreescribir `/usr/bin/pd', que está también en el paquete puredata 0.42.6-2 dpkg-deb: error: el subproceso copiado se mató con la señal (Tubería rota) Se encontraron errores al procesar: Pd-0.43.1-extended-20110706.deb mario@Mario-PK3D:~/pd-extended/packages/linux_make$ Then I write dpkg -i --force-all Pd...deb and it installed... /mario@Mario-PK3D:~/pd-extended/packages/linux_make$ sudo dpkg -i --force-all Pd-0.43.1-extended-20110706.deb (Leyendo la base de datos ... 253108 ficheros o directorios instalados actualmente.) Preparando para reemplazar pd-extended 0.42.5-2 (usando Pd-0.43.1-extended-20110706.deb) ... Desempaquetando el reemplazo de pd-extended ... dpkg: aviso: sobreseyendo el problema porque está activa la opción --force: intentando sobreescribir `/usr/bin/pd', que está también en el paquete puredata 0.42.6-2 dpkg: aviso: sobreseyendo el problema porque está activa la opción --force: intentando sobreescribir `/usr/include/m_pd.h', que está también en el paquete puredata 0.42.6-2 Configurando pd-extended (0.43.1~cvs20110706-1) ... Procesando disparadores para hicolor-icon-theme ... Procesando disparadores para bamfdaemon ... Rebuilding /usr/share/applications/bamf.index... Procesando disparadores para desktop-file-utils ... Procesando disparadores para python-gmenu ... Rebuilding /usr/share/applications/desktop.es_AR.utf8.cache... Procesando disparadores para shared-mime-info ... Unknown media type in type 'all/all' Unknown media type in type 'all/allfiles' Unknown media type in type 'uri/mms' Unknown media type in type 'uri/mmst' Unknown media type in type 'uri/mmsu' Unknown media type in type 'uri/pnm' Unknown media type in type 'uri/rtspt' Unknown media type in type 'uri/rtspu' Unknown media type in type 'interface/x-winamp-skin' Procesando disparadores para man-db ... Procesando disparadores para ureadahead ... Procesando disparadores para python-support ... mario@Mario-PK3D:~/pd-extended/packages/linux_make$ sudo dpkg -i --force-all Pd-0.43.1-extended-20110706.deb Seleccionando el paquete pd-extended previamente no seleccionado. (Leyendo la base de datos ... 246529 ficheros o directorios instalados actualmente.) Desempaquetando pd-extended (de Pd-0.43.1-extended-20110706.deb) ... Configurando pd-extended (0.43.1~cvs20110706-1) ... Procesando disparadores para hicolor-icon-theme ... Procesando disparadores para bamfdaemon ... Rebuilding /usr/share/applications/bamf.index... Procesando disparadores para desktop-file-utils ... Procesando disparadores para python-gmenu ... Rebuilding /usr/share/applications/desktop.es_AR.utf8.cache... Procesando disparadores para shared-mime-info ... Unknown media type in type 'all/all' Unknown media type in type 'all/allfiles' Unknown media type in type 'uri/mms' Unknown media type in type 'uri/mmst' Unknown media type in type 'uri/mmsu' Unknown media type in type 'uri/pnm' Unknown media type in type 'uri/rtspt' Unknown media type in type 'uri/rtspu' Unknown media type in type 'interface/x-winamp-skin' Procesando disparadores para man-db ... Procesando disparadores para ureadahead ... Procesando disparadores para python-support ... / I don't find the pd-extended or pdextended to run it from terminal, neither the icon appear in the Ubuntu Menu. If I run /usr/lib/pd-extended/bin/pd... Pd-Extended runs... but with very very ugly font. There're a lot of boxes - commands that don't work: From TIME: delay, line, timer, cputime, realtime, pipe (don't work) From MATH: random From MIDI: all From MISC: all, less declare From AUDIO MATH: the most From AUDIO GLUE: dac~, adc~, bang~ From AUDIO DELAY: All I think it is not completly installed... El 06/07/11 17:57, Martin Peach escribió: On 2011-07-06 16:42, Mario Mey wrote: *pdlua.c:40:17: fatal error: lua.h: No existe el fichero o el directorio* *compilation terminated. You need to install the lua-dev package. Martin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Compiling...
Trying to compile PureData, SVN, on Ubuntu 11.04 AMD64, following the instruction from the page http://puredata.info/docs/developer, I did: 1.- rsync from the auto-build farm (from http://puredata.info/docs/developer/GettingPdSource) rsync -av --delete rsync://128.238.56.50/distros/pd-extended/ pd-extended/ 2.- Preparing Ubuntu: http://puredata.info/docs/developer/UbuntuMaverick 3.- Building PD-Extended: http://puredata.info/docs/developer/BuildingPdExtended But there's no .tar.bz2 or .deb on pure-data/packages/linux-make/build... These are the last lines while compilling. What should I do? I don't understand... /[...] /bin/bash ../../libtool --tag=CXX --mode=compile g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../../src -I../../src -DPD -I/home/mario/pd-extended/pd/src -DHAVE_S_STUFF_H -O2 -freg-struct-return -O3 -falign-loops -falign-functions -falign-jumps -funroll-loops -ffast-math -mmmx -MT libGem_la-SynchedWorkerThread.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/libGem_la-SynchedWorkerThread.Tpo -c -o libGem_la-SynchedWorkerThread.lo `test -f 'SynchedWorkerThread.cpp' || echo './'`SynchedWorkerThread.cpp libtool: compile: g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../../src -I../../src -DPD -I/home/mario/pd-extended/pd/src -DHAVE_S_STUFF_H -O2 -freg-struct-return -O3 -falign-loops -falign-functions -falign-jumps -funroll-loops -ffast-math -mmmx -MT libGem_la-SynchedWorkerThread.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/libGem_la-SynchedWorkerThread.Tpo -c SynchedWorkerThread.cpp -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/libGem_la-SynchedWorkerThread.o libtool: compile: g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../../src -I../../src -DPD -I/home/mario/pd-extended/pd/src -DHAVE_S_STUFF_H -O2 -freg-struct-return -O3 -falign-loops -falign-functions -falign-jumps -funroll-loops -ffast-math -mmmx -MT libGem_la-SynchedWorkerThread.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/libGem_la-SynchedWorkerThread.Tpo -c SynchedWorkerThread.cpp -o libGem_la-SynchedWorkerThread.o /dev/null 21 mv -f .deps/libGem_la-SynchedWorkerThread.Tpo .deps/libGem_la-SynchedWorkerThread.Plo /bin/bash ../../libtool --tag=CXX --mode=compile g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../../src -I../../src -DPD -I/home/mario/pd-extended/pd/src -DHAVE_S_STUFF_H -O2 -freg-struct-return -O3 -falign-loops -falign-functions -falign-jumps -funroll-loops -ffast-math -mmmx -MT libGem_la-WorkerThread.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/libGem_la-WorkerThread.Tpo -c -o libGem_la-WorkerThread.lo `test -f 'WorkerThread.cpp' || echo './'`WorkerThread.cpp libtool: compile: g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../../src -I../../src -DPD -I/home/mario/pd-extended/pd/src -DHAVE_S_STUFF_H -O2 -freg-struct-return -O3 -falign-loops -falign-functions -falign-jumps -funroll-loops -ffast-math -mmmx -MT libGem_la-WorkerThread.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/libGem_la-WorkerThread.Tpo -c WorkerThread.cpp -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/libGem_la-WorkerThread.o WorkerThread.cpp: In member function 'bool gem::thread::WorkerThread::PIMPL::start()': WorkerThread.cpp:135:22: error: aggregate 'gem::thread::WorkerThread::PIMPL::start()::timeval sleep' has incomplete type and cannot be defined WorkerThread.cpp:139:28: error: 'select' was not declared in this scope make[6]: *** [libGem_la-WorkerThread.lo] Error 1 make[6]: se sale del directorio «/home/mario/pd-extended/externals/Gem/src/Gem» make[5]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[5]: se sale del directorio «/home/mario/pd-extended/externals/Gem/src» make[4]: *** [all] Error 2 make[4]: se sale del directorio «/home/mario/pd-extended/externals/Gem/src» make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[3]: se sale del directorio «/home/mario/pd-extended/externals/Gem» make[2]: *** [/home/mario/pd-extended/externals/Gem/Gem.pd_linux] Error 2 make[2]: se sale del directorio «/home/mario/pd-extended/externals» make[1]: *** [externals_install] Error 2 make[1]: se sale del directorio «/home/mario/pd-extended/packages» make: *** [install] Error 2 ls: no se puede acceder a /home/mario/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/./Pd*.deb: No existe el fichero o el directorio upload specs linux_make . deb Uploading Unexpected local arg: debian If arg is a remote file/dir, prefix it with a colon (:). rsync error: syntax or usage error (code 1) at main.c(1236) [Receiver=3.0.7] mario@Mario-PK3D:~$ / ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Extended version for Natty AMD64?
Hello, everybody. Is there any build for Natty AMD64 of the Extended version? For the moment, I don't want to compile it... Thanks! ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Extended version for Natty AMD64?
Thanks for the reply. Yes, at the moment, I'm using 0.42.5 Lucid 64bits. I just tried to install the 0.43.5 Lucid 64 DEB with no luck. I think I should compile... The only soft I compile in my life is Blender from SVN. I don't think compiling PD would be difficult... but I don't find a step-by-step tutorial to do it. Do you know any? From http://pure-data.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=pure-data/pd-extended.git;a=summary, I can get the branch... but it's only 2MB. Where are the externals... or all the other data? El 03/07/11 12:59, John Harrison escribió: I used 64 bit from lucid on my natty machine. I think I had to use gem from the repos but otherwise it works fine. Sent from my cell... On Jul 3, 2011 10:57 AM, Mario Mey mario...@gmail.com mailto:mario...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, everybody. Is there any build for Natty AMD64 of the Extended version? For the moment, I don't want to compile it... Thanks! ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
