Re: Motor Drive for Ricoh KR-10

2001-06-09 Thread Jim

From the instruction manual of the KR-10...
The RICOH XR WINDER-1 can be used with the KR-10.  By operating the shutter
release button on the winder, it can be used for rapid sequence photography
at approximate 2 frames per second  (at shutter speed of 1/125 sec.) By just
setting the selection switch you may choose frame-by-frame shots or rapid
sequence shots according to your needs.  You can for instance capture the
rapid movement in sports, or the fleeting facial expressions that make your
picture-taking a more enjoyable experience.

Currently being auctioned at ebay...
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1244326755

That'll be 5 bucks... :^)
Jim

- Original Message -
From: James Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 8:38 PM
Subject: Motor Drive for Ricoh KR-10


 Can anyone tell me about and/or what motor drives will work on a Ricoh
 KR-10?

 James

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Re: Flash for Z1p

2001-06-09 Thread Alan Chan

I have a non-original TTL flash (30 guide number) for my Z1p. If I use it 
together with the built-in flash (14 guide number), is it equal to 44 guide 
number?

The equation is:

   SquareRoot(30*30 + 14*14) = 33

regards,
Alan Chan

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Re: Dismembering ZX body

2001-06-09 Thread Alan Chan

Ok.  I got a broken SF-10.
Mount matches dimensions of ZX-M perfectly on the face.
I removed the mount from the SF-10.  Easy.  Lifts right off.
Then ... I try to take the mout off the ZX-M.
It's ok until... it won't lift off the area where the pins are located.
Does it need -- rotated, flexed, shifted ... ???
Anyone taken apart a ZX/MZ body before?

(The goal is to put the metal mount onto the M.

Though all K mounts look the same, most are not interchangable. I don't 
think the SF-10's mount will fit on the any MZ/ZX bodies. Besides, the 
MZ/ZX-M are completely made of plastic, I doubt there would be any benefit 
to use a metal mount (the contact pins won't fit anyway).

regards,
Alan Chan

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RE: Spotted on eBay

2001-06-09 Thread Frits J. Wüthrich

Damn, he doesn't ship internationally, now I am missing out on this hot buy,
a one in a life time change to get a advanced professional camera like this.
I will forget about getting a LX or MZ-S now, those have only one finder.

Frits



 Or the Acronymic design.  Puts OSHA's new standard to shame.

 Chris





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  Not to mention the detachable DELUXE flash!!
  Norm
 

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Re: June Commentary: Eduardo Carone Costa Junior

2001-06-09 Thread PAUL STENQUIST

My suggestion to crop was only intended to correct the symmetry of the
two sides. If you look at the photo, you'll see the two arch shapes on
each side are almost identical. However, the area on the right is
slightly wider and its midpoint appears to be just a slight amount
lower. If you were to rotate the picture one degree or maybe even just
half a degree counterclockwise (in Photoshop) and then crop just a
slight amount to make the two arches equal, it would be perfectly
symmetrical. This isn't critical, but to my eye, something that is
almost symmetrical seems to beg for perfection. Again, it's only my
subjective opinion.
Paul

Eduardo Carone Costa Júnior wrote:
 
 PAUL STENQUIST wrote:
  Eduardo Carone Costa Junior: Orange Dome
  I found this image quite compelling. I like the geometric patterns and
  the symmetry. The pattern displayed on the dome interior is interesting.
  It seems to suggest a sun or even a Sun God. It resembles some Mayan
  images I've seen.
 I'm not surprised that Eduardo had trouble scanning this photo. The
  extreme highlights in the windows combined with the subtle lighting of
  the interior surfaces make for a difficult situation for both film and
  scanner. One window highlight has burned out a section of the interior
  surface at the lower left. I might have patched that small area in
  PhotoShop, although I realize that some would consider that excessive
  tampering. I might also have cropped the image just a tiny bit and
  rotated it a degree or so to perfect the symmetry. Nevertheless, a very
  nice photograph.
 
 Thank you for your kind words.
 As I mentioned some days ago, I'm less than pleased with that photo. When
 taking it, I was confronted with the K series metering inability to cope
 with fast film and long exposures --- I only discovered what was happening
 later, here at the PDML, reading some posts about this topic... If that were
 not enough, I also had some difficulties trying to scan it to my old flatbed
 scanner and compressing it to comply with PUG rules. I hope I can do better,
 next time I get the chance to photograph the interior of that church...
 The orange color was actually caused by a second row of windows at the inner
 part of the dome... I assume they are made from colored glass.
 I wonder if you could explain why do you think a little more cropping would
 be better? I'm just curious and would like to learn  something more about
 cropping, because, sometimes, I have difficulty when deciding how much
 cropping is ok :-)
 Thanks again,
 Eduardo.
 
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PUG Commentary: Frank Theriault

2001-06-09 Thread PAUL STENQUIST

Frank Theriault, Gingerbread
I'm a big fan of Victorian architecture, and Frank's rendering of
gingerbread detail invokes a warm and fuzzy feeling. I'd love to pull up
a chair on that porch and spend an afternoon sipping iced tea -- or,
better yet, a good single malt. From a technical perspective, I like the
balance of light and shadow. The little bit of light that spills over
into the shadowed portion of the shot is a nice touch. The framing
appears to be a good choice in terms of illustrating the gingerbread
detail without turning the shot into just another picture of a house.
Lens choice seems to be just right. The slightly wider than normal 35
gives the shot a sense of expansiveness without excessive distortion.
Nice work.
Paul Stenquist
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Re: Snap-in Focus in MZ/ZX-7?????

2001-06-09 Thread Artur Ledchowski

 Original Message -
From: "Jarosaw Brzeziski" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Snap-in Focus in MZ/ZX-7?


 I am sorry, but you must be wrong: if you use a non-AF lens, no AF body in
the world is
 capable of giving an AF-assist light.

I didn't mean AF-assist light - I mean a sign in the viewfinder + beep
announcing that my subject is in focus...
Artur
PS: Please use correct English - light is uncountable, so you cannot use
"an" before this word...

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Re: MZ-S is comming to Poland

2001-06-09 Thread Artur Ledchowski

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From: "Jarosaw Brzeziski" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: MZ-S is comming to Poland


 Being Polish I beg you to use correct English:

Sorry for that...
Artur

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Re: June Gallery Comments

2001-06-09 Thread canislupus

Collin Brendemuehl wrote on PUG this months

[ Collin, that's a great job commenting on every one of them! There were lots of 
images]

[...]
 Arch/Whale  by  Frantisek Vlcek, Czech Republic
   Definitely eye-catching.
  Did it take you long to find the right angle to shoot?
 It looks like a tough one to compose.

Thanks. And yes, it did take me longer to compose, and still I am not satisfied with 
the composition - I left too little free space on the left side. I should have made 
more composition bracketing, now I know :(

Frantisek

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Re: Snap-in Focus in MZ/ZX-7?????

2001-06-09 Thread Artur Ledóchowski

- Original Message -
From: Douglas E Harmon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Snap-in Focus in MZ/ZX-7?


 He's possibly confusing the terms AF Assist for AF Confirmation. A common
 confusion on the list.

Actually I am:) Sorry for that...


 A note about the Snap-in, it doesn't work that great for low contrast
 subjects...

Hmmm, perhaps this is the point, since I shoot a lot in darkness... And
since I have owned my M 50/2 for a short time, I haven't been able to figure
it out by chance:)) My fault - apparently I haven't known my camera well
enough.
Sorry and thanx
Artur


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Re: MZ-S IR film

2001-06-09 Thread Mark Roberts

Bill D. Casselberry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   My opinion, FWIW ---  just pick up any older functional body
   and use it for IR, as there is no need for fancy metering or
   any other camera features to achieve great results w/ IR film.
   In fact, automation is almost counter-productive. You will do just
   fine using exposure parameters explained in the film box and any
   body that holds the film flat  is light-tight. Some bracketing
   and note-taking will quickly home in on excellent images.

A few months ago Outdoor Photographer had a feature on a photographer who
specialized in infra-red. He had some great shots in the magazine. Most of his
work was done with a K1000.

--
Mark Roberts
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Re: Wide Angle Lens Dilemma

2001-06-09 Thread Bill D. Casselberry

 Len wrote:
 
 Remember that polarizers on wide angle lenses can give strange
 results because of the angle of view, especially on scenics or
 landscapes showing a lot of sky ...

this is correct - you will get shades of blue-darkening 
across the wide expanse of sky = rather distracting  ugly

However, if you shoot w/ your light coming from behind you
a strong skylight filter (#1b) will also tend to richen the
blue of the sky - and do it evenly   ;^)


Bill

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Re: More scanning successes

2001-06-09 Thread Mark Roberts

Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Seriously, I'm quite impressed. I think you ought to put up a web page when
you are done and embarass the hell out of Kodak with it. Hope you saved
some of your before slides so you can do some side by sides.

I agree. It sounds like a product that has great potential bus has had serious
problems in execution. Put up a web page about the problems and your fixes.

Incidentally, I went running this morning with two friends who both work at
Kodak in digital imaging, but neither of them knows (or had even heard of) the
RFS3600 scanner. Different groups within the company. I was hoping to have a
word with someone with some involvement in this product. I'll keep asking
around.

--
Mark Roberts
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The new FA 28-105 f/3.2-4.5 - First impressions

2001-06-09 Thread Roland Mabo

Dear list members,
I got the FA 28-105 f/3.2-4.5 AL (IF) yesterday and here comes the votes
from the swedish jury (oups sorry, an inter-euro joke).
I won't comment on optical performance, since I haven't shot a single
roll with it yet.

* Design and build quality
It's incredible small! It's amazing that Pentax has suceeded in
designing a 28-105 lens with a 58mm filter thread and f/3.2 aperture! My
Tokina 28-105 was a f/3.5-4.5 lens with 62mm filter thread.
It's almost of the same size as the FA 28-80 f/3.5-4.5 - or just little
bit bigger than the tiny 28-70 f/4 AL. It do extends quite much when
zoomed out to 105, but at 28 it's hard to believe that this is a 28-105
lens.

The zooming collar has the same design as on the 27-70 f/4 or the new
24-90. It's slightly heavier to turn than the 28-70, but it's more
optics to move also...

It's much lighter than my Tokina and balances very well on my MZ-bodies
(5N and 10), even without the FG battery pack (which was a must with the
Tokina attached).

It has a plastic outside, but the lens mount is metal. It lacks the
focusing window of past FA-lenses. Instead the distance info is printed
on the outside of the focus ring (as on the FA28-80 f/3.5-5.6 and
24-90). The aperture ring is wide and easy to turn, much more pleasant
than the tiny and stiff aperture ring on my Tokina. Sadly, the aperture
numbers are not engraved on the ring - they're just printed and the
paint may scratch off with time (but only time will tell).
Overall, the lens feels solid. Nothing feels loose, nothing rattles. The
focusing ring feels more damped than on the 28-70 f/4. I rate the build
quality slightly higher than the 28-70 f/4.

The lens hoods clicks easily into place and feels very good. When
removing a plastic cover underneath, one gets a window so you can
turn, for example, a polarizer without removing the hood. (something
that's impossible with my Sigma AF 24 f/2.8 and it's clip-on hood).

* Autofocus
It sounds! Perhaps this has to do with the more damped focusing ring
than the FA 28-70 f/4 or the Tokina 28-105. Maybe the sound will lower
itself with time. But straight-out-of-the-box the whirr-sound is
unpleasant.

The AF speed seems slightly slower than the 28-70 f/4 (in bright
conditions, this may change at lower light levels where the wider
aperture of the 28-105 is likely to help the AF), but it feels quite
secure.

* Final conclusion
A well made and compact lens that's well suited to travelling.
I hope it performs as good as it looks.
Mounted to my MZ bodies, the lens looks very nice indeed. I like it's
silvery-finish with black lettering.

It cost me 3085:- SEK and I bought it from Scandinavian Photo.

Best regards,
--
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RE: Wide Angle Lens Dilemma

2001-06-09 Thread Rob Studdert

On 5 Jun 2001, at 15:43, Patrick Genovese wrote:

 First, let me thank all who replied to my post for the great feedback.
 
 Since I like using filters esp my circular polariser a non rotating front 
 element is highly desirable.  I know that the sigma 20mm and the 17-35 
 both have non rotating front elements.  But don't couldnt find the 
 relevant info on the Pentax 20mm and 20-35.

Hi Patrick,

The front of the Pentax SMCPA20f2.8 (including filter thread) doesn't rotate 
when focussing. It is a great lens (great contrast, high resolution and good 
flare resistance) but it is expensive (even used).

Cheers,

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
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Re: Filters for the SMCP-F Fisheye Zoom 17mm-28mm f/3.5-4.5

2001-06-09 Thread Pål Jensen



The fish-eye zoom has filter thread (sort of) but 
no rear gelatin filter holder. I strongly suspect that filters may cause 
vignetting with this lens; at least at the 17mm setting. Haven't really 
tried...

Pål



  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Eric 
  Platt 
  To: PDML 
  
  Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 11:13 
  PM
  Subject: Filters for the SMCP-F Fisheye 
  Zoom 17mm-28mm f/3.5-4.5
  
  I'm wanting to get a wide angle zoom for 
  landscapes and other such things and I came across these two lenses. The only 
  thing at the moment that is stopping me is I love to use filters and I like 
  the fisheye affect. Is it possible to get this in one package deal for a 
  zoom?
  
  I was just wonderingabout the 
  SMCP-F Fisheye Zoom 17mm-28mm f/3.5-4.5andif 
  there is filters that are made for this lens. I am pretty sure that it has no 
  internel filters but perhaps small filters to attachto the back maybe? 
  If any one who owns this lens or who is familiar with it can get back to me I 
  would appreciate the extra information.
  
  The other lens I am looking at getting if the 
  filters for the 17mm-28mmcan't be done withis the SMCP-FA 
  20-35mm f/4 AL 
  Is this a favorite for anyone out there in the 
  pdml world?
  
  


Re: Stiff aperture rings

2001-06-09 Thread William Robb


- Original Message -
From: Pål Jensen
Subject: Stiff aperture rings


 I've noticed that the aperture rings on my A 35/2.8 and A
24/2.8 are getting progressively stiffer. You almost need to use
force on the 24mm. Is this normal..any remedies...

I've had that happen on a couple of lenses. Unless you are
mechanically gifted, send em off for repair. The lubricant used
in the aperture mechanism does dry out over time. I have
successfully fixed this problem on M series lenses, but the only
time I tried to fix an A series, it blew up on me. I still have
some of the parts on my desk, but I fear the poor thing will
never work again.

Collin Brendemuehl posted this a while back. He gives very lucid
instructions for the procedure.

Aperture Ring Maintenance.

Precautions:  Clean, flat area to work.  Preferably not above
carpet.
Additional tools:  Large plastic bag, magnet.

Often the aperture ring will be jammed or jerky because
1) a spring under the A button is broken
2) the ring itself is stretched from use

The aperture ring has a slot location on it where,
when reached, frees the A pin.  It can easily fly out
when reached.

The A pin component is actually 4 parts:
  #1 Spring
  #2 Pin
  #3 Base, sits under the spring and has a tab that
   extends inward to the interior of the lens.
  #4 Brace, the pin slides in place on this tab.  Its arm
reaches
   down into the aperture ring where a tab keeps it from
coming
   out until the ring is turned to the release point.

Removal of the aperture ring can be accomplished by:

Step 1:  Turning it until the pin/spring assembly comes out.
 It may fly out.  You may want to do this inside a
plastic bag
 with a magnet present to catch the parts after they're
released.

Step 2:  Lift the ring off.  You may encounter some resistance
in various
 positions.  Turn it carefully until you reach a place
where it
 lifts off easily.

Underneath the ring is a small bearing that hits the detents for
the
aperture settings.  This bearing can be easily misplaced because
it
usually has a good amount of grease on it.  Keep track of it,
and the
spring behind it, should there be a lack of grease and they fall
out
when the unit is disassembled.

Also be certain to keep track of the A button.  It's also
easily lost.

If a spring is broken, it can be repaired by:

(a) 1) Drill out the spot where the melt mount dislodged
2) Fill in the hole with a small piece of plastic
3) Melt the plastic into place like the original.

(b) 1) Drill out the spot where the melt mount dislodged
2) Screw the spring into place with a tiny screw.
   --This may be difficult to find as it needs to be
 fairly flat and fit under the aperture ring and
 still allow it to turn freely.

Reassembly:
When reassembling I use a thin piece of paper or Scotch tape on
the
detent bearing and springs so that the ring does not push
against them
and they break free or spring free and get lost.

Slide the aperture ring into place with the A pin notch in
place
for remounting the pin assembly.  Be certain to pull out your
paper/tape
spring and pin holders as needed so that you don't have extra
material
inside the ring.

A Pin replacement:
Then, with a tweezer put the base in place under the
 A pin spring location.
Next, set the A pin spring into place.
Then, holding it down with your finger, turn the aperture ring
to lock
 it into place.

RECOMMENDATION:  THere's enough broken old 50/2 lenses out there
for
nothing, or a buck or two.  Get one and experiment with it.
You'll learn and have spare parts that you may need for the real
repair job.
(Like springs and bearings!)

IDEA:  If you want to make your camera Really Versatile, leave
the detent
bearing out.  You'll have continuous aperture, just like those
TLR and LF
cameras!  (Might be fun or useful to do with that second, extra
lens.)

Collin Brendemuehl


William Robb
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Re: Filters for the SMCP-F Fisheye Zoom 17mm-28mm f/3.5-4.5

2001-06-09 Thread Rapture


Sigma 17-35mm f2.8-4.
Not for ya if you like to have filters on them. At most it will
take is a UV or remove it for a CPL.
With CPL and Lenshood, slight vigetting but I still love the extra 3mm
and what i can get for 1/3
the price for a lens comparable to the canon equivalent.

My 2 cents,
Jason


At 03:13 PM 6/9/2001 -0600, you wrote:
I'm wanting to get a
wide angle zoom for landscapes and other such things and I came across
these two lenses. The only thing at the moment that is stopping me is I
love to use filters and I like the fisheye affect. Is it possible to get
this in one package deal for a zoom?

I was just wondering about the SMCP-F
Fisheye Zoom 17mm-28mm f/3.5-4.5 and if there is filters that are
made for this lens. I am pretty sure that it has no internel filters but
perhaps small filters to attach to the back maybe? If any one who owns
this lens or who is familiar with it can get back to me I would
appreciate the extra information.

The other lens I am looking at getting if the
filters for the 17mm-28mm can't be done with is the SMCP-FA 20-35mm
f/4 AL 
Is this a favorite for anyone out there in the
pdml world?




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Re: Spotted on eBay

2001-06-09 Thread Rory Flynn

I saw one of these (or something very similiar) on the street recently. What
I saw was certainly large enough to be more than 35mm format, and looked a
lot more impressive than the picture suggests. If nothing else the
owner/carrier looked the part - a bit like one of those French extreme
sports participants who windsurfs in Antartica or base-jumps  in Manhattan.

Anyone have a spec.

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Re: Filters for the SMCP-F Fisheye Zoom 17mm-28mm f/3.5-4.5

2001-06-09 Thread Mark Cassino

You can't use filters at all with the 17-28mm fisheye zoom.
the front has a little build in hood and no facility to attach a filter,
there is no rear filter holder either. It's still a fun lens.

- MCC

At 03:13 PM 6/9/01 -0600, you wrote:

I was just
wondering about the SMCP-F Fisheye Zoom 17mm-28mm f/3.5-4.5 and if
there is filters that are made for this lens. I am pretty sure that it
has no internel filters but perhaps small filters to attach to the back
maybe? If any one who owns this lens or who is familiar with it can get
back to me I would appreciate the extra information.

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OT: Garage Sales Heaven

2001-06-09 Thread Collin Brendemuehl

Sometimes they're close.
Today some goodies for anyone interested.
The man passed away a year ago @ 96, and so
left behind some treasures that his family
is parting with.  Mostly from the 50s  early 60s,
by all appearances..

Here are some things available.  I'd rather some artist
or budding artist in the PDML get 'em first.

Some old toning chemicals  Spot Kit.
Crystal etching pen.
Engraver's  Photographer's Porportion Calculator (slide rule with marked uses)
His journal of techniques, esp. for toning.  Also some old Kodak docs.
Burk  James Luxor photo timer (can't tell if it's working or not)
Flat head (about 6 round) for wood tripod.  With brass fittings.
Rec-O-Cut turntable, originally from a kit.  With Shure (202 or 212) arm  
cart.
Vacuum tubes -- TV  ham.

( some other goodies that I'm not parting with, like an old, compact 
enlarger focusing aid)

Colllin

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Re: Filters for the SMCP-F Fisheye Zoom 17mm-28mm f/3.5-4.5

2001-06-09 Thread Pål Jensen



Well you can tape filters in place :-)
Actually on closer inspection what looks like 
filter threads aren't...

Pål


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Mark 
  Cassino 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 12:04 
AM
  Subject: Re: Filters for the SMCP-F 
  Fisheye Zoom 17mm-28mm f/3.5-4.5
  You can't use filters at all with the 17-28mm 
  fisheye zoom. the front has a little build in hood and no facility to attach a 
  filter, there is no rear filter holder either. It's still a fun 
  lens.- MCCAt 03:13 PM 6/9/01 -0600, you 
  wrote:
  I was just wondering about the SMCP-F 
Fisheye Zoom 17mm-28mm f/3.5-4.5 and if there is filters that are made 
for this lens. I am pretty sure that it has no internel filters but perhaps 
small filters to attach to the back maybe? If any one who owns this lens or 
who is familiar with it can get back to me I would appreciate the extra 
information.
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MZ-S gripes

2001-06-09 Thread Pål Jensen

Some rethoric questions:

- Is it a good idea to have the multiple exposure function on a switch that can easily 
be set accidentally?

- Whats the theory behind having the exposure bar oriented vertically when exposure is 
controlled by horizontal movement; left - right?

Pål

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Re: Filters for the SMCP-F Fisheye Zoom 17mm-28mm f/3.5-4.5

2001-06-09 Thread William Robb


- Original Message -
From: Pål Jensen
Subject: Re: Filters for the SMCP-F Fisheye Zoom 17mm-28mm
f/3.5-4.5


Well you can tape filters in place :-)
Actually on closer inspection what looks like filter threads
aren't...

How big is the rear element on that lens? The reason why I ask
os because Pentax does have a rear filter holder (gels only) on
the 45mm f4 (6x7). Is it possible to put one, or something like
it onto the rear of the lens? It is really just a flat black
painted piece of spring steel.

William Robb
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Re: MZ-S gripes

2001-06-09 Thread tom

Pål Jensen wrote:
 
 Some rethoric questions:
 
 - Is it a good idea to have the multiple exposure function on a switch that can 
easily be set accidentally?

Not sure, but I'd think you'd notice the motor drive not advancing if
you accidently set it.

 
 - Whats the theory behind having the exposure bar oriented vertically when exposure 
is controlled by horizontal movement; left - right?

Maybe they decided they needed a horizontal orientation for the focus
point selection display, and couldn't fit the exposure bar along the
bottom too.

I didn't think about it until you brought it up, so I guess it didn't
bother me.

tv
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Re: The Beatles and an Asahi Pentax camera

2001-06-09 Thread Tom Rittenhouse

There is often a advertising deal made by producers with
vendors. That is why so often everyone in a movie is driving
the same brand of car. The auto maker has cut a deal with
the producers. One such deal that I remember is a comedy of
Coca Cola trying to break into the Soviet market. In the
vary last scene the lead in the story gets a soda from a
machine and holds it up showing that it is a Pepssi Cola. I
understand that Pepsi paid a million bucks to have that
scene in the movie.
--Tom


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Saw the film A Hard Day's Night in the cinema the other day (remasterized
 copy). All around the movie is Ringo Starr carrying a black and beauty Asahi
 Pentax screwmount camera. In fact, in a moment, Paul's grandfather tells him
 to enjoy the life, to go outside, and what he does is to go out to take
 pictures.
 The camera appears a lot, with the logo showing very clearly. Maybe a
 subliminal advertising pop method?
 : - )

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Re: Flash Diffusers Geekness

2001-06-09 Thread Tom Rittenhouse

Under current international copyright law someone always
owns the copyright.  Just who that is seems to vary from
country to country as Bill Robb and I discovered a while
back in a rather long discussion on this list.

The Library is not violating copyright, no more than you are
when you lend a friend a book. Once you buy a copy of a
copyrighted item you own that copy, you can do what ever you
please with that copy except make more copies.
--Tom


aimcompute wrote:
 
 But if the work is not copyrighted, how can it be copyright infringement?
 From what I understand the work belongs to the corporation not the
 individual(s). In that case one could argue that taking a picture of
 virtually anything is copyright infringement because it is someones
 handiwork...
 
 Just a question I have wondered about... Public Libraries have to be the
 biggest, most blatant violators of the spirit of the copyright laws.  I
 appreciate them, but the authors  artists are potentially losing billions
 of dollars because of this sort of communism.
 
 Tom C.
 
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 From: Nicholas Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 1:04 PM
 Subject: RE: Flash Diffusers  Geekness
 
 
  --- Peifer, William [OCDUS] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
 
   Does this sound like it may work?  Any other
   suggestions?
 
  It sounds like something along the lines of copyright
  infringment, even though there is no artist's name it
  is still someone's handiwork.
 
  Nick
 
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Re: Copyrights was: Flash Diffusers Geekness

2001-06-09 Thread Tom Rittenhouse

Well, Tom, there is the law and there is reality. It would
cost far more than it is worth to sue people for making
copies for their own use, not to mention the difficulty even
finding out about it. If you run off a couple of thousand
copies to sell then you are probably in trouble. The rub
that copyright owners (especially software copyright owners)
never seem to get is did they lose a sale or would the (c)
violator just have done without their product is they had to
pay for it. We all have to make such decisions for
ourselves, I guess.
--Tom


aimcompute wrote:
 
 Just to keep this thread going...  I know this has been discussed over and
 over again... and that many of you are familiar with the law, where I am
 not.
 
 In my mind at least I (could be rationalizing, I admit) there is a
 difference between a technical copyright violation and being immoral.  I
 guess I say this because, for one, if there was not room for interpretation
 in the law, there would not be the hundreds of infringement lawsuits, some
 won by the copier.   I think a lot depends on what is done with the copy and
 how the original artist feels about it.  I go off topic here somewhat
 (what's new?).
 
 Technically, if I make a copy of a CD and use it for myself, that is
 unauthorized copying of copyrighted material, right?  I don't write Paul
 McCartney or Apple records when I want to make a second copy of an album for
 my personal use.I don't think this is wrong to do and would do it w/o
 hesitation.  I think the law believes this is fine as well, regardless of
 the copyright warning.  I suppose we could split hairs and wonder if it
 would be wrong in the instance that my wife wanted one in her vehicle and I
 wanted one in mine.  We are two separate people so I suppose I should have
 bought it twice.  The copy in her car is a bootleg and I'm a renegade (I
 secretly wonder if I AM a renegade).
 
 If I copy that CD for someone else and give one to them, depriving the
 original artist (regardless of how wealthy they are) of royalties, I think
 that is technically wrong.   Of course the artist and recording companies
 know that happens and do they care?  I don't know.  It's possible that by
 introducing a friend to an artist, the result may be more sales for the
 artist, though having lost one sale, because of the copy.
 
 If I copy the CD and then try to sell the copies, then I should go to jail.
 
 Now what if I lend a CD to a friend, knowing that they are going to copy it?
 Am I the lawbreaker or am I an accessory?  I don't know how I feel about
 that.  What if instead, the friend went to the library and checked out the
 CD?  What if they then recorded it at home?  Are they breaking the law?  Is
 the library?  Did the library KNOW they were going to copy it?  What does
 the library THINK people do with it when they take it home?  Do I, as a
 taxpayer, and therefore indirectly a partial purchaser/owner of everything
 in the library, have the right to make that copy?  I don't know, I could
 argue that I do...  I again say that the very existence of libraries
 violates the SPIRIT of the laws intentions in a major way.  Thousands and
 hundreds of thousands of sales, millions (when all instances of borrowing
 are combined), are lost because people have free access to the same instance
 of copyrighted material.   One can wonder whether those borrowers would have
 purchased the item themselves, if they did not have easy access to it
 through a public institution, created and funded by the same government that
 creates and enforces copyright laws.  Should I feel sorry for the artist
 when I go to the library?  The fact remains that I am depriving the artist
 of a sale, whether I borrow it and read it, or whether I borrow it and copy
 it, right?
 
 It seems we live in a very dichotomous society.  Making a copy is illegal,
 but industry  government, bends over backward to sell products and provide
 opportunities to make that copying as easy as pie.  Libraries have copy
 machines.  They also have signs saying Don't copy material that is
 copyrighted.  I think we'd all be hardpressed to find anything in the
 library that WAS NOT copyrighted, though I am sure there must be something.
 
 I suppose that if I hung a photo in an exhibition, or let's say it's my
 photo hanging on a restaurant wall, I would prefer to sell the photo, as
 opposed to have someone come take a picture of it.  I would probably be
 flattered if someone came and took a picture.  In some sense, though, just
 hanging the picture on the wall is providing hundreds of people the
 opportunity to experience the work without having to personally pay for it.
 
 Let's say I had a business card in the picture frame, hoping to sell copies
 of the picture.  OK, THEN I'd really be torqued if I found out the
 restaurant was letting people take the print out of the frame and go down to
 their friendly photo lab and make a copy.
 
 Getting back more on topic...  When the painting in 

Re: June PUG comments for M.Lidaka, S.Larson

2001-06-09 Thread Steve Larson

Jaume wrote:

 
 Steve Larson's 'Cinderella's Castle'
 
 A really nice idea. The illumination of this
 castle-toy is perfect for 'night shots'.  I have
 problems with my scanner (HP Photosmart S20) with dark
 pictures like this one, that is why I guess that the
 digital conversion of your picture is not 'fair' with
 the original. I would enhance this picture giving more
 detail to the darker parts of the castle, showing more
 of its structure (that's what I guess is better in the
 original).
 Maybe slides and their low latitude are too contrasy
 for shooting this without any other light source. The
 lights are burned and still there are very dark parts
 of the picture... just an idea.
 Fun interpretation of this months theme.
 
 Thanks for your contributions,
 
 Jaume

Jaume,
 Thanks for taking the time to comment, I do appreciate it.
Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California

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Re: June Gallery Comments

2001-06-09 Thread Steve Larson

Collin Brendemuehl wrote:

 I made a couple earlier, but wanted to do the whole thing this time.

 My perspective on photographic art:
 There seem to be two basic kinds of art -- art that evokes feelings and
art
 that speaks.
 Some that feel seem to have little feeling, while others can make us
 rejoice or cry at
 their mere presence.  Some that speak only communication details, while
 others stimulate
 the mind to greater thoughts.  The finer art pieces excel at either of
 these, and
 sometimes, but rarely, at both.

 I'm impressed with how creative everyone got with angles and lighting this
 month.

Hi Collin,
 It`s really nice of you to take the time to comment on all the images.
Thanks!
Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California

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Some of my Grandfather Mountain stuf online

2001-06-09 Thread Mark Roberts

http://www.robertstech.com/g_father.htm

A few select items from my trip to North Carolina.

--
Mark Roberts
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Re: Medium Format to 35

2001-06-09 Thread Todd Stanley


Well, it boils down to the fact that the size of the lens has to do with
the size of the image it has to make.  When the image size has to get
bigger, the lenses get larger, they become harder to make without defects,
and more expensive.  That's also why TV cameras and some digitals can have
these ridiculously fast zoom lenses with huge ranges - because the sensor
is so tiny compared to a 35mm frame.  Sure you could build a lens like that
to cover a 35mm frame, but it would be the size of a 55 gallon drum and
cost a million bucks.

Todd

At 07:15 PM 6/9/01 +0200, you wrote:
William wrote:

 This is just plain wrong. Your reasoning is logical, but is
 drawn from an incorrect assumption.

Exactly what assumption is incorrect?
Anyway, the fact remains that most MF and LF lenses are significantly
worse than comparable 35mm system lenses for whatever reason. The Pentax
FA645 75/2.8, which is tested as equal or better than the 80mm Carl Zeiss
for the Hasseblad - hardly a piece of crap by MF standards, is performing
in a way that can only be compared to the cheapest consumer zoom for the
35mm system. Jostein Øksnes example with the A645 120/4 Macro, a lens that
tests better than Carl Zeiss 120 Macro for the Hasselblad, turned out as
significantly worse than the Pentax-K 135/2.5. The differences were so big
that they were clearly visible on a scanned image on a web page. 
Pentax doesn't make many MF lenses that compare well to their K-mount
lenses and apparently neither does Carl Zeiss. 
Some of us have learnt the hard way that MF lenses on 35mm camera is only
a last resort. I intended to base my system on using my MF lenses on my
K-mount body but have dropped that idea. Jostein (he can probably correct
me if my memory is  off base) was of the same opinion but I convinced him
that the A645 120/4 Macro might be good enough to give it a try. He
borrowed(?) from the distributor the said lens (heralded as one of the best
MF lenses ever BTW) and tried it on a K-mount body and found that the
results was below par and presumably returned the lens. 
Its widely believed out there that larger format lenses are generally
worse (all thing equal) than comparable lenses for smaller formats. It is
said that lenses for the smallest format have the highest resolution (like
the lens for the Minox). I'm not saying this belief is true but it would
have been nice with some data that can explain the visible inferiority of
MF lenses on 35mm bodies that some of us clearly and undisputably observe.

Pål




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Re: Medium Format to 35 (WAS: Digital MZ - MR 52 projet still in the air ???)

2001-06-09 Thread Rob Studdert

On 9 Jun 2001, at 19:47, Pål Jensen wrote:

 When designating equal lenses (MF and 35mm) I was thinking of overall
 performance. Eg the two lenses projects the same information content (total
 number of lines for instance) but on circles with different size.

I think that this is where our perspectives differ, in my dialogue I was referring 
to the absolute LPPMM on film, ie referring to comparison of the absolute 
resolution a MF lens and 35mm lens of the same FL over the same area of 
film.

I'd put the Pentax 43f1.9 LTD up against the Mamiya 7 43f4.5 (virtually 
symmetrical optical design) on on the same strip of film any day, and I'd say 
that you would have a difficult time deciding which was best (maybe the 
24x65mm image would give the M7 the edge :-)

By the same token I would guess that the Pentax 45mmf4 for the 67 wouldn't 
stand a chance up against the Pentax 43mm LTD, I found that it  was far 
less resolute than the SMCPA50f1.2 in my testing.

Cheers,

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Re: MZ-S gripes

2001-06-09 Thread Nicholas Wright


--- Pål_Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Some rethoric questions:
 
 - Is it a good idea to have the multiple exposure
 function on a switch that can easily be set
 accidentally?


I would say no.
 
 - Whats the theory behind having the exposure bar
 oriented vertically when exposure is controlled by
 horizontal movement; left - right?


Perhaps, over and under exposure?

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Re: MZ-S gripes

2001-06-09 Thread Leon Altoff

On Sun, 10 Jun 2001 00:50:01 +0200, P†l Jensen wrote:

Some rethoric questions:

- Is it a good idea to have the multiple exposure function on a switch that can 
easily be set accidentally?

Possibly not.

- Whats the theory behind having the exposure bar oriented vertically when exposure 
is controlled by horizontal movement; left - right?

There are quite a lot of dyslectic people in the world.  Many only
slightly, but they have to think about which way is left and which is
right.  Very few (if any) people get confused about up and down.

Just my thoughts.


 Leon

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Recommendations for Light/Flash Meters

2001-06-09 Thread Rapture

Hi Friends,

I would like to hear recommendations from you guys out there on the most 
suitable light/flash meter for me.

I have been using the MZ-7 for about a year and would be upgrading in a 
month or two with the MZ-S.
I mainly do outdoor landscape and portrait shots and occasion still 
lifes.  I do both Slides and B  W.
I sometimes encounter harsh weather conditions in country i am in and the 
weather hasnt been good
recently.  So i decided to get one lightmeter that can last me for years to 
come.

I am not a professional but a serious amateur.  There is also a possibility 
of going further into it.
I travel a lot and probably need a light meter.  Of course there are 
reviews and places where i can
get more information on light meters but i just need to hear comments from 
you guys before i commit,
why? because this list is one of the best i have seen around.

if there is need for me to provide more information for you to comment 
upon, please let me know.

Cheers,
Jason Kiew

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OT:Back-packs for photo gear

2001-06-09 Thread Rob Studdert

Hi Team,

I am interested in looking at some photo oriented back-packs to use for both 
short or extended treks into bush. I need it to be weather proof and have 
provisions for easily attaching a tripod.

I have a brochure on the LowePro AW series packs they seem to fit the bill 
however I would be glad to hear from listers with experience and other 
suggestions.

Cheers,

Rob Studdert
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Pentax spare parts contacts

2001-06-09 Thread Rob Studdert

Hi Team,

I need to purchase some spare parts for some of my older A series lenses. 
The local Australian Pentax distributors have told me that the parts that I am 
after are no longer available however I suspect that these comments are 
more likely due to their reticence to enquire about the components.

If anyone has a good contact for Pentax parts I would appreciate their 
contact details.

Cheers,

Rob Studdert
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Re: Medium Format to 35 (WAS: Digital MZ - MR 52 projet still in the air ???)

2001-06-09 Thread Isaac Crawford

Pål Jensen wrote:
 
 Isaac wrote:
 
  It's easy, you can't change a lens' illumination angle. Coverage of a
  lens is defined by its illumination angle, not the size of the circle of
  illumination. If what you say above is true, I should be able to shoot
  8x10 film with my SMC 50mm f1.4, and I can't... The angle of
  illumination is set by the design of the lens, along with its
  resolution, distortion, etc... The resolution of a given area inside of
  the circle of illumination, at a given size (i.e. at a given focusing
  distance) will remain constant no matter what size of film you project
  that image onto. If you change the focusing distance (increasing the
  size of the image circle), the resolution can indeed go down, but for
  other reasons involving the reproduction ratio...
  As you point out, the larger formats rarely need to have as high a
  resolution, so the designers do not put the extra expense into the
  lenses typically, but it is theoretically possible to design a lens for
  8X10 that will have as good a resolution inside of 24x36 as a good
  35mm lens.
 
 I certainly agree but was not exactly what I meant with my admittedly rather bad 
example. When designating equal lenses (MF and 35mm) I was thinking of overall 
performance. Eg the two lenses projects the same information content (total number of 
lines for instance) but on circles with different size. These lenses will then have 
the same resolution and be equally sharp on the finished product; eg a 8X10 print. 
This what I mean with the same quality. An MF lens with the same l/mm as a 35mm 
system lens can resolve a hell of lot more information in total than the 35mm system 
lens  simply due to the larger area of the  MF lens. Or in another way, a MF lens 
doesn't need the same resolving power as a 35mm lens to appear equally sharp on  a 
reproduction of a certain size.

Right, but that's not what the thread is about... I think... We were
talking about the lenses, not how much the film can resolve. If you take
in the same angle of view in both 35mm and medium format, odds are that
the medium format image will contain more information just because of
the density of info on the bigger neg. I thought that we were talking
about putting a medium format lens on a 35mm body. In that case the
medium format lens will resolve the same as it ever did, just over a
smaller area. 
 If a lens have a certain l/mm it will be constant regardless of format. But I won't 
say that l/mm are equal comparable issues when comparing 35mm and MF lenses. For the 
same angle of view a MF lens and a 35mm lens with the same l/mm the MF lens resolves 
a hell of a lot more in finished photograph because theres a hell of a lot of more 
mm's on a MF negative/positive. Hence, whats constitutes a good MF lens is something 
different than whats a good 35mm lens. 

But not if they're both on a 35mm body... Once again, you are right
about there being fewer resolution demands put onto a medium format lens
(for the same amount of enlargement) when taking medium format pictures,
but a lens' performance does not decrease just because you switch
cameras. A lens will always perform the same weather its on a 35mm
camera or medium format camera. Theoretically, if you wanted to see how
your MF lens performs on 35mm, just crop out a 24x36 area from the
center of your image...

This is probably the core of the issue. As you say it is possible to
design a LF lens to be equally good as a 35mm but I wonder if it is
common or even viable on a consistent basis.

No on both counts I'm afraid... I only jumped in because it sounded
like you were saying that a lens' performance would somehow decrease
just by switching cameras. I think we both agree that in practical terms
MF optics just aren't as good over a 24x36 area...

Isaac
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