Re: Portra 400 BW
Yeah, my problem was that I didn't see that little tiny BW on the end of the subject line. Bruce Dayton Sacramento, CA - Original Message - From: "tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 9:35 PM Subject: Re: Portra 400 BW > At 10:44 AM 9/15/2001 -0700, you wrote: > >I have used Portra quite extensively. Usually the 160 variety. > > I had assumed from the subject he was asking about Portra BW. > > tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Condolences
I am just back from 2 weeks in the Canadian Rockies. I heard about the WTC tragedies while there. My deepest sympathies to all affected by those tragic terrorist actions. David S. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Tokina SL 400 mm f5.6
Peter Jesser writes: > Has anyone had one of these? Got any thoughts on it? I have one, got it for NZ$200 at a second hand shop. I'm surprised the one you saw was M42 mount though (mine is bayonet). Its actually not too bad a lens if you can stop it down. I've found it quite soft wide-open but once stopped down to f/8 it sharpens up quite well. Can't say much about contrast because I don't do a lot of high-contrast shooting with it. Its biggest drawback is that the closest focus distance is 4 metres. I usually add an extension tube when I'm shooting wildlife frame-fillers. The tripod collar on mine is a real pain as well. The "foot" which screws onto the tripod head can be removed by undoing two thumb-screws. Unfortunately they have a habit of coming loose so you have to keep tightening them. I would suggest avoiding an M42 adaptor for a long lens though, because you lose open-aperture metering which means you either have to work slowly (meter, stop down, shoot) or focus at your working aperture. I am currently lusting after an FA*400/5.6... Cheers, - Dave David A. Mann, B.E. (Elec) http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/ "Why is it that if an adult behaves like a child they lock him up, while children are allowed to run free on the streets?" -- Garfield - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Self-enablement, yet again
Hi all, I couldn't resist. I bought a nice, brassed Pentax 67 body and 45mm f/4 lens today. I was also lucky enough to find a genuine Pentax metal hood for the 45mm. Price for the whole lot was NZ$2000 (900 body, 1100 lens). I had to pick the brassed body because: a) it came with a waist-level finder b) it has a very bright grid screen with microprism focussing aid c) I recently got burned buying a camera which hadn't been used in years. Cosmetically great but bad shutter timing and meter. I figure a beat-up body will be a well-used reliable one :) d) it was the only one of the three in the shop that I could afford :) (I'm broke again). I've run half a roll through it so far and it seems to feel pretty good. No major problems. I was planning to wait until I'd sold the RB67 kit but since the 45mm doesn't come up very often I decided to take the plunge now... Cheers, - Dave David A. Mann, B.E. (Elec) http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/ "Why is it that if an adult behaves like a child they lock him up, while children are allowed to run free on the streets?" -- Garfield - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: images of the WTC
Pulling TX is common, actually. Doesn't look like you used the red filter, I would have guessed yellow. My "before" pictures are months if not years old. Very sad to look at it. Looks like you didn't use a polarizer on the color one - true? After shots from that spot would be stirring... and heartbreaking. ann Amita Guha wrote: > > I can't remember but I think I used an orange filter > on that one. Or maybe it was the red one. I should > have taken notes. I also had the ISO set on 200 when I > was shooting 400 and I forgot to have the lab push it, > so I darkened it in Photoshop. > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kevin Thornsberry > > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 8:46 PM > > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > > Subject: RE: images of the WTC > > > > > > That made for an interesting study. I pulled the two pictures > > into Picture > > Window Pro and then converted the color picture to b&w using > > different color > > filters. A magenta filter gave the closes results to the b&w picture. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Amita Guha [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 4:35 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: images of the WTC > > > > > > A while ago I went out shooting in Brooklyn > > and took two cameras, one with b&w film and > > one with color. I took a picture of the > > WTC with the Brooklyn Bridge in the foreground. > > The color one was taken with a K1000 and the > > b&w one was taken with a Minolta Hi-Matic. > > > > http://www.dirtybackroad.com/photos/dumbo/b&w1.html > > - > > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > > > [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef] > > - > > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
PUG Sruff
The problems at Øskne.net seem resolved, the auto PUG is working again. Get those submissions in!!! William Robb PUG Gallery Maintainer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Photos to show you incl one of a list member
I live about a 30 minute walk from the WTC. I have "before" pictures, many, I plan to use one of those for the November PUG, but here are 12 pictures from the last week. None of them are of the disaster site itself except in the distance. Doing this small page helped me keep myself together. I'm going to make a link that is right on the first page of my home page but have not done it yet. Here is the direct link to the 12 photos. http://users.rcn.com/annsan/recentdevelopmentshtml.html annsan - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Portra 400 BW
At 10:44 AM 9/15/2001 -0700, you wrote: >I have used Portra quite extensively. Usually the 160 variety. I had assumed from the subject he was asking about Portra BW. tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax MX on ebay
On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Rex Probert wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1275200666 > > Is it just me, or is this BIN price absolutely crazy?-- It's pretty high, and I doubt that it's a mistake. They've probably seen what some collectors are starting to pay for Pentax stuff and are hoping to get top dollar from someone who wants a NIB MX. I can't see their getting it, though. chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Pentax Focusing Screens
Are the Pentax focusing screens interchangable between bodies...for example, can I put a MX/LX focusing screen in an MZ-S? What about a PZ-1p? Also, What screens are available for the MZ-S, and where can I get info on them? Thanks, Scott __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: That "professional" thing again
At 08:06 AM 9/15/2001 -0700, you wrote: >Kevin Thornsberry wrote: > > > > I like the IRS approach. If you make > > a profit you can call it a business. > > Otherwise it is a hobby. > >That's not quite true. A business can lose money and still be a >busines. Thank god. tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT. The Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings Part 2.
Actually, the suggestion is a good one. I don't see your point, Lasse. Regards, Bob... --- "In the carboniferous epoch we were promised perpetual peace. They swore if we gave up our weapons that the wars of the tribes would cease. But when we disarmed they sold us, and delivered us, bound, to our foe. And the gods of the copybook headings said, 'Stick to the devil you know.' " --Rudyard Kipling From: "Lasse Karlsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Dan M. wrote: > > > You want to believe the US is evil, and no one will talk you out of it. I still invite you to read "Flags of our Fathers" or one of the other good accounts of the battles at the end of the Pacific war, before you declare, from a safe distance, that the US should have acted otherwise. > Dan > > These are words of a troll, without a scrap of common or intellectual decency. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: images of the WTC
I can't remember but I think I used an orange filter on that one. Or maybe it was the red one. I should have taken notes. I also had the ISO set on 200 when I was shooting 400 and I forgot to have the lab push it, so I darkened it in Photoshop. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kevin Thornsberry > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 8:46 PM > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: RE: images of the WTC > > > That made for an interesting study. I pulled the two pictures > into Picture > Window Pro and then converted the color picture to b&w using > different color > filters. A magenta filter gave the closes results to the b&w picture. > > -Original Message- > From: Amita Guha [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 4:35 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: images of the WTC > > > A while ago I went out shooting in Brooklyn > and took two cameras, one with b&w film and > one with color. I took a picture of the > WTC with the Brooklyn Bridge in the foreground. > The color one was taken with a K1000 and the > b&w one was taken with a Minolta Hi-Matic. > > http://www.dirtybackroad.com/photos/dumbo/b&w1.html > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef] > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Silicon Film Suspends Operations
On Sat, 15 Sep 2001 22:43:59 -0400, Mick Maguire wrote: >> [...] Silicon Film company [...] seek bankruptcy protection. > It's a shame to see a good idea go down the pan. I wonder if somebody else > might buy the patents and take it forward. I doubt it. Digital technologies are progressing much too fast for this to hold much interest for the "average joe". SiliconFilm would spend all of its time just trying to keep up, and their product still wouldn't have the convenience of an actual digital camera. TTYL, DougF - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Tokina SL 400 mm f5.6
Hi John Thanks for the info. It looks good through the viewfinder, but the proof will be in the photos. It is all metal, and as you say, built like a tank. I figured that at the price it wasn't worth haggling. One of the US mail order places still has it listed for $250 US. By the way, I got it from Photo Continental. I'm a Brisbane boy, too! Peter >From: John Coyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: Tokina SL 400 mm f5.6 >Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 11:43:00 +1000 > >Hi Peter: >I have the RMC 400/5.6, in bayonet mount, so probably a little later than >the >one you are thinking of. It's big, heavy, built like a tank and has >excellent >resolution, even wide open, in the centre. Unfortunately, mine does not >have a >tripod collar, which can be a problem. >I would think that $210 is about what you might expect to pay from a shop >(I >got mine second-hand and privately as part of a package for considerably >less), >but they must have had it one hell of a long time, so you might be able to >bargain the price down even more! > >John Coyle >Brisbane, Australia > > >On Sunday, September 16, 2001 9:46 AM, Peter Jesser >[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >wrote: > > Has anyone had one of these? Got any thoughts on it? > > > > Peter >- >This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, >go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to >visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Too Bad Falwell Wasn't In WTC
As many Americans have known for years, extreme religious fundmentalists that think they speak for god and that their religions are more important than people's human rights, are truly the greatest evil on earth. Fundamentalist Chrilstians, Jews and Muslims are all bascially the same evil in different clothing.arrogant, ignorant and hate mongers. Subject: Falwell is SICK > God Gave U.S. 'What We Deserve,' Falwell Says > > Television evangelists Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, two of the most > prominent voices of the religious right, said liberal civil liberties > groups, feminists, homosexuals and abortion rights supporters bear > partial responsibility for Tuesday's terrorist attacks because their > actions have turned God's anger against America. > > "God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to > give us probably what we deserve," said Falwell, appearing yesterday on > the Christian Broadcasting Network's "700 Club," hosted by Robertson. > > "Jerry, that's my feeling," Robertson responded. This isn't as disgusting as what the terrorists did, but it's disgusting. The most ironic thing about these vicious morons is that their attitudes are so far, far, far away from any accepted understanding of Christian behavior. They ought to read what Jesus said for a change and try to make at least a token attempt to understand what Jesus believed in. Falwell and Robertson's attitude has much more in common with the blind fanaticism of Osama bin Laden and the radical muslims than it does with the rest of America, or with real Christianity. I continue to be grateful for our constitutional separation of church and state. - --Mike >> - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Silicon Film Suspends Operations
It's a shame to see a good idea go down the pan. I wonder if somebody else might buy the patents and take it forward. Regards, /\/\ick... ++ __/) Mick Maguire | | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | (_/) ICQ: 48609010 | \/ | \ /---+ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Doug Franklin Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 8:43 PM To: PDML Subject: Silicon Film Suspends Operations Howdy, folks, Over the past couple of years, we've discussed the Silicon Film company and product several times. The general conclusion has been that it's not ready for prime time, and that events in the electronics industry have largely overtaken it. Well, it appears that the rest of the world has come to the same conclusion. The link below is to their press release announcing they're suspending operations and will seek bankruptcy protection. http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/010915/hssa033_1.html TTYL, DougF - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Pentax MX on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1275200666 Is it just me, or is this BIN price absolutely crazy?-- --- Rex Probert <[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT - ... Headline News
Ok, ok, ok we'll leave the salt at home. Scheesh When we get done occupying Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iran (for good measure) you probably won't have to worry about buying EXXON or MOBIL gasoline... it'll be the "New America Brand". Headlines from the not-to-distant future... The former inhabitants of those countries (that survived) are now gainfully employed on the project to join the Caspian Sea to the Persian Gulf... allowing the Azerbaijani's, the Kazakhstani's, and Turkmenistan free and equal access to major shipping lines. The United States & NATO Air Force components has now put a halt to ALL Iraqi military flights from new NATO bases in Ahvaz, Tehran, and Kermanshah. The jury is still in day 16 of their recess in the World Court trial of Osama bin Laden coconspirators... a trial in it's 6th year of prosecution. Readers will remember that the United States believes it killed Osama in it's preemptive strike against Afghanistan on October 14, 2001. Yasir Arafat gave testimony this week before a grand jury denouncing it's ties and financial support of the terrorists that destroyed the World Trade Center, stating that Palestinian's have always been "America's friend". Arafat is in declining health after discovery of the incurable STD found when he gave blood the same week the WTC was destroyed. Scoot - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Tokina SL 400 mm f5.6
Hi Peter: I have the RMC 400/5.6, in bayonet mount, so probably a little later than the one you are thinking of. It's big, heavy, built like a tank and has excellent resolution, even wide open, in the centre. Unfortunately, mine does not have a tripod collar, which can be a problem. I would think that $210 is about what you might expect to pay from a shop (I got mine second-hand and privately as part of a package for considerably less), but they must have had it one hell of a long time, so you might be able to bargain the price down even more! John Coyle Brisbane, Australia On Sunday, September 16, 2001 9:46 AM, Peter Jesser [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: > Has anyone had one of these? Got any thoughts on it? > > Peter - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Wrightfoto Photo of the Week (Attack Tribute)
This week's photo of the week at wrightfoto.com is a special tribute to the unspeakable tradgedy that occured this past Tuesday. Comments always welcome. Nick Wright http://wrightfoto.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Picture of the Week
Ann Sanfedele wrote: > Shel, I think it is more than that. It reminds me of the > colorists of the 60's - Kenneth Noland, for one. The > horizon is a bit above center to my eyes, too. I think > it is a nice straightforward wouldn't you like to be here > shot on one level and a study of color on another. OK, I went back and looked at it again since I respect your eye, color sense, and judgment. On second viewing my opinion remains the same. To me it's like any one of thousands of slightly underexposed sunset shots one might grab while walking along the beach. Those pleasant feelings and peaceful moments make us want to take a picture. And this photo will make a nice memory for the photographer and, perhaps, his or her companion. But what we have here is something akin to photographing an emotion, preserving a memory and a moment. That's all fine and good, and a valid reason for taking the picture. But on a purely photographic level it doesn't cut it for me. I want more from a photograph, and Paul is capable of giving us more. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] "Why should I use a meter? What if the darn thing broke on me when I was out making a photograph? Then what would I do?" - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Heard's Birds of Prey Festival pix
Hey, attended the Birds of Prey festival in McKinney, TX, today. Saw one other guy with a ZX-7 but I never did talk to him. I wasn't there long before it started pouring so I didn't shoot much, but you can see the pix I'll be sending to McKinney's daily paper at my personal website. http://www.geocities.com/nicholaswright/birdsofprey/page_1.html Comments are as always welcome. Nick - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Focsing screens interchangeability
You should be careful in mixing focussing screens from different cameras. Just because it fits in the space does not mean it is good for that camera. At one time, I had both an Olympus OM-1 and a Pentax MX. Believe it or not, the screen in the Olympus is the same size as the Pentax, and fits in it. However, I found that focussing was inaccurate with the Olympus screen in the Pentax. Visit my home page at http://ca.geocities.com/spirope/photopage.htm Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Vs: OT. The Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings Part 2.
Nope - the Japanese could not shoot down a B29 flying at high altitude - but I think that this thread leads into nowhere. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were different things altogether compared with this - well... calculated massacre of innocent people. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://personal.inet.fi/private/raimo.korhonen -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Daniel J. Matyola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Päivä: 15. syyskuuta 2001 17:19 Aihe: Re: OT. The Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings Part 2. >Lasse: > >If that's not sufficient warning, I don't know what would be. Obvioulsy, nothing >would satisfy you, not even giving the time, date and flight plan of the incoming >plane, so they could shoot it down. You want to believe the US is evil, and no one >will talk you out of it. I still invite you to read "Flags of our Fathers" or one of >the other good accounts of the battles at the end of the Pacific war, before you >declare, from a safe distance, that the US should have acted otherwise. > >Dan - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Vs: Massive Attack Seems Likely
Let´s hope so - and in his first statements your president seemed to know the difference between justice and revenge. I hope he still does. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://personal.inet.fi/private/raimo.korhonen -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Bob Blakely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Päivä: 15. syyskuuta 2001 16:54 Aihe: Re: Massive Attack Seems Likely >The attack will not be on the Afghan people, or whatever little >infrastructure they have left. The enemy is not the Afghan people. The enemy >is Bin Laden, his organization and the Taliban government that harbors them. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Vs: OT. The Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings Part 2.
You can disagree with Lasse if you wish - it was he who brought the facts in the discussion about Hiroshima and Nagasaki. But this thread leads to nowhere... It is history, now it is the present tense. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://personal.inet.fi/private/raimo.korhonen -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Robert Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Päivä: 15. syyskuuta 2001 17:54 Aihe: Re: OT. The Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings Part 2. >"Daniel J. Matyola" wrote: >> >> Lasse: >... You want to believe the US is evil, and no one will talk you out of >it.] > >Dan: > >I have disagreed with Lasse on some of his posts, but have not read into >them that attitude. I don't think that is his intent at all. > >Re: the use of the A-bomb to end the war. Lots of Americans also do not >approve of that. I do not view them as anti-American either, just >equally wrong. > >Bob Harris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Vs: PUG Stuff
What´s the theme for October? All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://personal.inet.fi/private/raimo.korhonen -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > Please note, the deadline for the October gallery >approacheth rapidly. >> >> Is it the 20th? > >It is. >William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT. The Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings Part 2.
Dan M. wrote: > You want to believe the US is evil, and no one will talk you out of it. I still >invite you to read "Flags of our Fathers" or one of the other good accounts of the >battles at the end of the Pacific war, before you declare, from a safe distance, that >the US should have acted otherwise. Dan These are words of a troll, without a scrap of common or intellectual decency. Lasse - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT-gas
From: Mike Johnston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > P.S. I still refuse to buy Exxon gasoline because of the Exxon Valdez > incident. I don't care if my actions have no effect; I decided long ago that > I'm not giving my money to those idiots, and that's all there is to it. Hey Mike, I'm with you on the Exxon thing. I haven't bought gas from those rat * since the Valdez thing. Since Exxon has acquired Mobil, I don't buy gas from them either... Mark - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: An apology to Lasse
Tom R.: wrote: > Upon considering your last post, I apologise for my attitude. Apologies accepted. > Apparently you were just being pedantic, but you came across as uncaring. Maybe you >could be more > careful how you say things in the future Maybe you could be more careful how you say things in the future. >as you have often came across to me, and apparently to others on the list, as having >a strong anti-American bias. I don't care if you think that I am anti-American biased. > Right now I have little tolerance for such. I don't care what you have tolerance for. Neither do I see any reason for any other list member having to adjust to your admittedly low level of tolerance. > Since you have assured us that you did not mean your posts that way, I apologise, I >was wrong. Apologies fully accepted. Lasse Karlsson - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Picture of the Week
> -Original Message- > From: Paul Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Hi, > > Here is my picture of the week. > I was on holidays last week so i didnt post week 6 on the > list, but its > there. > > As usual comments are welcomed. Beautiful! Christian Skofteland - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: September PUG from Cotty
- Original Message - From: "Cotty" Subject: September PUG from Cotty > I finally got to sit down and go through the September PUG. Another > fascinating collection as usual! There wasn't one image that I didn't > spend at least a few moments on, others considerably more. Once again, > all were lovely pictures, but here's a list of the ones that caught my > eye for various reasons as gleaned from my scribbled notes: > > Near Lake Tammian > William Robb > Beautiful pattern with lovely, subtle colour changes. Superb. Thanks Cotty. You are too kind. Bill - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Portra 400 BW
I have used Portra quite extensively. Usually the 160 variety. It is a portrait and people film and works very well when low contrast is desired. This is not a film to go out and shoot scenics with. Used for the right subject and you will really like it. Bruce Dayton Sacramento, CA - Original Message - From: "Jim Moniz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 3:05 AM Subject: Portra 400 BW > Just bought my first roll of Portra film this evening, and plan to have fun > with it over the next couple of days! Any of you use it? (I assume so...) > Any word on whether it's as good as the photo mags say it is? > Jim - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: PUG Stuff
- Original Message - From: "Daniel J. Matyola" Subject: Re: PUG Stuff > > > Please note, the deadline for the October gallery approacheth > > rapidly. > > Is it the 20th? It is. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: When was the last time?
Try Vicksburg. 20,000 dead. > > I'm not sure about the _last_ one, but Antietam was the _worst_ one > day. For the last, Spottsylvania is a good approximation. I'd have to > get out the reference books to be sure. > > TTYL, DougF > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
September PUG from Cotty
I finally got to sit down and go through the September PUG. Another fascinating collection as usual! There wasn't one image that I didn't spend at least a few moments on, others considerably more. Once again, all were lovely pictures, but here's a list of the ones that caught my eye for various reasons as gleaned from my scribbled notes: Near Lake Tammian William Robb Beautiful pattern with lovely, subtle colour changes. Superb. Bison at Yellowstone Annsan Very atmospheric - a really nice composition. Looks cold! A Rock's Point of View Erin Dayton Very nice shot. Needs a tweak in Photoshop to adjust levels and get the colours jumping, but I love the composition. Puffins David Dixon I admire anyone with the patience to shoot birds (so to speak). Nice. Goalkeeper Alexey Tikhonov A nice gritty image. I like the way everything seems to be soft except for the goalie. One wonders whether or not he's going to be able to stop the ball which - an instant later - is surely coming his way! Excellent. Summer Storm Gianfranco Irlanda Once again Gianfranco conjures up a very striking image. A grabbed shot if ever there was one. Conveys a great sense of activity, not least of which from the photographer. I love it. Details Karoly Kovacs I'm always partial to a bit of anatomy! An excellent study of the contrast between a sensuous curve of flesh and the draped thorniness of some embroidered fabric that looks almost reptilian. Great work! Riga - After a Thunderstorm Edward Freis A stunning image. One could wait years for a shot like this. It takes my breath away, so what Edward felt seeing this in person must have been exhilarating. Pic of the month for me. Congrats! Strolling With the 77 Cesar Matamoros II A nice treatment of a fairly cliched subject: powerlines. A gripping picture with beautiful colour. The Roof Matjaz Osojnik Good abstract. Makes my eyes swirl, so it must be working! Fine example. Wythville, VA, 2001 Tom Van Veen A simple image but conveys great feeling. The Finish Line Lasse Karlsson Fine rendition of a popular competition. Not my taste in cropping but the mono / colour treatment is a real winner. Lasse come home! That's all for this month - again, they were all really good images - there wasn't one that I didn't like - well done to all contributors, and especially to those who make it happen. In future, should I thank the auto-submission page? Cheers, Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Contax GG-3 Lens Hood
Hi Joe ... Surprised to see you here on the Pentax list, but I'm glad you are. Thanks for the information. I found a local shop that has one so I'll check out the exact measurements, although your figure compares pretty well with Joseph Yao's figure of 1.33". The hood, BTW, is for the 90mm Elmarit-M. The built-in hood is something of an annoyance to me. BTW, I've been meaning to drop you a note to tell you how pleased I am with the M2 I got from you. I took it to a Leica clean & check clinic where it was given a clean bill of health, so I decided not to spend the money for a CLA, as you suggested. Joe Codispoti wrote: > I do not have the 90mm any longer but > I do recall that the size of the shade > was between approximately 1.5" long. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Contax GG-3 Lens Hood
Shel, I do not have the 90mm any longer but I do recall that the size of the shade was between approximately 1.5" long. Joseph Codispoti ClearSight USA P.O. Box 150, San Luis Obispo, CA 93406 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.clearsightusa.com - Original Message - From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 8:58 AM Subject: OT: Contax GG-3 Lens Hood > Hi - Does anyone on the list use the Contax G-series camera, and have > the dedicated hood for the 90mm lens (the GG-3)? If so, could you tell > me how long the hood is? > -- > Shel Belinkoff > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT-gas
Mark R. wrote: > Partly as a result of this week's attack, my S.O. and have decided that our > next > car will be a gasoline-electric hybrid. When a practical car that doesn't use > gasoline at all becomes available we'll get one of those. I'm going to buy a > bicycle and start using it to travel to and from work when weather permits. Mark, You might really like it. My friend Dan Schley was one of the first people in the country to own a Toyota Prius, and he loves it. My understanding is that the next Honda Civic is going to be a hybrid electric car. --Mike P.S. I still refuse to buy Exxon gasoline because of the Exxon Valdez incident. I don't care if my actions have no effect; I decided long ago that I'm not giving my money to those idiots, and that's all there is to it. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Massive Attack Seems Likely
Mark Roberts wrote: > A military attack won't teach them anything they don't > already know. I hope we do find a way of becoming their teachers. And not > their students. Well said, Mark, well said. --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Picture of the Week
Shel Belinkoff wrote: > > Hi Paul ... > > This is a pretty picture ... and a pretty humdrum picture. Often > breaking the rule of thirds can contribute to something pretty > interesting, but running the horizon right through the middle of this > scene reduces any interest here. Shel, I think it is more than that. It reminds me of the colorists of the 60's - Kenneth Noland, for one. The horizon is a bit above center to my eyes, too. I think it is a nice straightforward wouldn't you like to be here shot on one level and a study of color on another. just my 2 cents.. I liked it. annsan - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Falwell is SICK
> See below for some remarkable comments he and a colleague made on > television, as reported in the Washington Post. > > excerpt from news story _ > > God Gave U.S. 'What We Deserve,' Falwell Says > > Television evangelists Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, two of the most > prominent voices of the religious right, said liberal civil liberties > groups, feminists, homosexuals and abortion rights supporters bear > partial responsibility for Tuesday's terrorist attacks because their > actions have turned God's anger against America. > > "God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to > give us probably what we deserve," said Falwell, appearing yesterday on > the Christian Broadcasting Network's "700 Club," hosted by Robertson. > > "Jerry, that's my feeling," Robertson responded. This isn't as disgusting as what the terrorists did, but it's disgusting. The most ironic thing about these vicious morons is that their attitudes are so far, far, far away from any accepted understanding of Christian behavior. They ought to read what Jesus said for a change and try to make at least a token attempt to understand what Jesus believed in. Falwell and Robertson's attitude has much more in common with the blind fanaticism of Osama bin Laden and the radical muslims than it does with the rest of America, or with real Christianity. I continue to be grateful for our constitutional separation of church and state. --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Heaven, etc.
I was being sarcastic. --Mike > If you believe in a heaven and a hell can you possibly believe that > these murderous scum will go to heaven. I cannot abide by a heaven that > would take them. Straight to to pit with them, I hope. > > Regards, > Anthony Farr - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Thanks to Lasse Karlsson
"JeffW." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >As a US citizen with many friends in the military, I wish sending in ground >troops would not be needed but in this case you are correct. Check this out: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1544000/1544821.stm - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Look at this auction!
At 05:50 PM 9/14/01 -0700, you wrote: >Hey Folks, > >The BIN price is completely ridiculous: > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1275200666 > My thought is that they might have made a typo and it should have been $99.95. However that seems pretty low. Anyone interested in the camera might want to consider emailing the seller. Gary J. Sibio - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT-gas
Mark Roberts wrote: > I'd happily pay $4.00 per gallon for gasoline if I knew none of it went into the > pocket of Ben Laden (which isn't the case now: that's where he made the money > that finances his operations). Well, actually he inherited a fortune from his father, who owned the largest construction company in Saudi Arabia. Rather than continue in the business with his brothers, he cashed out. It's estimated that his personal fortune is/was about $300,000,000.00 -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OT: Contax GG-3 Lens Hood
Hi - Does anyone on the list use the Contax G-series camera, and have the dedicated hood for the 90mm lens (the GG-3)? If so, could you tell me how long the hood is? -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Thanks to Lasse Karlsson
Nenad, As a US citizen with many friends in the military, I wish sending in ground troops would not be needed but in this case you are correct. The ONLY way to be positive the job is done and not cause indiscriminate death is with ground troops. This will still entail loss of life on both side. The loss of American military lives is what our leaders have been unwilling to risk for fear it would not be taken by the average citizen. In the long run, US military casualties might outnumber terrorist deaths. But if it is not done, then the US civilian casualties will continue to occur. And the US must, as we have historically done, help restore the country afterward so there is something for people to return to and build from. Otherwise, we are just the next in a long series of conquerors. I know in the current mood many (from the US) will disagree but this is how you make allies out of enemies. JeffW. >SNIP > > What I am trying to say is: By all means hunt down and destroy the > terrorists and their supporters - but do it the hard way - with ground > troops - not with indiscriminate bombing raids that target the innocent and > guilty alike. > > BTW I guess most Americans think that that little war in the Balkans is now >SNIP > hold no grudge as a result of the American bombing. Now that they have > finally shaken off the yoke of a communist dictatorship they deserve a > chance before they become embittered. > > Regards > Nenad Djurdjevic - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT-gas
Frank Theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Scooterman wrote: > >> looks like we're just gonna have to agree that we disagree Frank T. > >I'd say that's a fair comment! > >> You wanna pay $4 for a gallon, go for it. > >I don't own a car. I really don't care how much gas costs. I'd happily pay $4.00 per gallon for gasoline if I knew none of it went into the pocket of Ben Laden (which isn't the case now: that's where he made the money that finances his operations). Partly as a result of this week's attack, my S.O. and have decided that our next car will be a gasoline-electric hybrid. When a practical car that doesn't use gasoline at all becomes available we'll get one of those. I'm going to buy a bicycle and start using it to travel to and from work when weather permits. The only way we're going to really have an impact on these terrorosts is by cutting off their money supply. Think about it next time you fill up. One individual won't make a difference. A nation of individuals will. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Tamron 28-105 Lens.
"Jim Moniz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I was shown this lens today and fell in love! I'm "doomed" to buy it in a >month or two! I know this has probably been talked about already, but do any >of you have it, and if so, how do you like it? >Jim Which one? The 28-105/2.8? or the 28-105/4.0-5.6? (I don't have either. I'm just curious.) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Massive Attack Seems Likely
Jody <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Too bad about the millions of innocent people whose >only crime was being born into the same country as a >handful of terrorists. > >And then there are the survivors. No sanitary >hospitals for them to go into, as there would be if >they lived in the US. They will be left to wallow >homeless (homes bombed) in their own filth, picking up >whatever disease is on the menu. > >Why does America insist on sinking to the terrorists >level? How is this going to help? Surely enough >innocent people have died. I hope no one sinks to their level. I've heard many people talk of the need to "teach them a lesson". A military attack won't teach them anything they don't already know. I hope we do find a way of becoming their teachers. And not their students. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT. The Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings Part 2.
"Daniel J. Matyola" wrote: > > Lasse: ... You want to believe the US is evil, and no one will talk you out of it.] Dan: I have disagreed with Lasse on some of his posts, but have not read into them that attitude. I don't think that is his intent at all. Re: the use of the A-bomb to end the war. Lots of Americans also do not approve of that. I do not view them as anti-American either, just equally wrong. Bob Harris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Picture of the Week
A gorgeous scene - and your colors came out so well! Maris - Original Message - From: "Paul Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 4:40 AM Subject: Picture of the Week | Hi, | | Here is my picture of the week. | I was on holidays last week so i didnt post week 6 on the list, but its | there. | | As usual comments are welcomed. | | http://www.alphalink.net.au/~nrg/week7.html | - | This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, | go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to | visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . | | - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Portra 400 BW
At 03:05 AM 9/15/2001 -0700, Jim wrote: >Just bought my first roll of Portra film this evening, and plan to have fun >with it over the next couple of days! Any of you use it? (I assume so...) The only people I know shooting it are wedding guys. Apparently it gives nice proofs. tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: When was the last time?
Civil war. Even the 1906 San Francisco quake was not as devastating to life (Official 700, 2100-2800 actual best estimate, including from the fires that followed). Regards, Bob... --- "In the carboniferous epoch we were promised perpetual peace. They swore if we gave up our weapons that the wars of the tribes would cease. But when we disarmed they sold us, and delivered us, bound, to our foe. And the gods of the copybook headings said, 'Stick to the devil you know.' " --Rudyard Kipling From: "Robert Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Mike Johnston wrote: > > > > Speaking of history, Bob, do you know the last time five thousand or more > U.S. citizens died on North American soil? > > Do not know, and a quick web search did not turn up much. We will have > to rely on the American history buffs for the answer. :) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: That "professional" thing again
Kevin Thornsberry wrote: > > I like the IRS approach. If you make > a profit you can call it a business. > Otherwise it is a hobby. That's not quite true. A business can lose money and still be a busines. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Massive Attack Seems Likely
Jody wrote: [snip] > Why does America insist on sinking to the terrorists > level? I think that is not the case -- at least not yet -- and I hope our response will be carefully designed to minimize the numbers of innocent victims. You have to differentiate between America and some Americans who are blowing off steam and say they do not care how many innocents stand in the way, just as we have to differentiate between Taliban and Afghanistan in planning any response. Bob Harris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT. WTC - Why no helicopters?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I had a discussion with a friend about this. She said that someone must be censoring what airs on tv very carefully, because of course there must be bodies and body parts in the rubble, and I haven't seen ANY of that since this started. - >> I wonder about the bodies. There was a TV interview with an air quality expert who explained that were some isolated cases of asbestos, but that most of the clouds of debris were analyzed as gypsum from wall board, powdered concrete, or powdered steel. This makes the collapse a giant rock crusher, pulverizing concrete and steel to dust. What can we expect of the bodies of those souls trapped in the collapse? Sad for the families, Bob S. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: That "professional" thing again
I like the IRS approach. If you make a profit you can call it a business. Otherwise it is a hobby. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 8:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:That "professional" thing again Not to re-open the thread, really; more to air my musings and talk about something other than Current Events. (I'm on another mailing list where that's not off-topic, so I've been getting _that_ out of my system over there, mostly. Without that other outlet, I'd probably be joining in here.) We've discussed it to death here and figured out that to at least some extent the word "professional" means different things depending on context and speaker. Okay, I wonder how AAA defines it... I spotted a photo contest in a magazine, and noticed in the rules that "professional photographers" were among those not eligible. Ack! I don't earn a living with my photography, and I'm a long time between sales/jobs, but I _have_ done shoots for money and I do try to sell prints. I wonder whether I'm considered "pro" in the context of this contest? (I'll see if there's a phone number or email address to contact the contest officials. If not, I guess I'll send 'em a letter.) -- Glenn - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Picture of the Week
Hi Paul ... This is a pretty picture ... and a pretty humdrum picture. Often breaking the rule of thirds can contribute to something pretty interesting, but running the horizon right through the middle of this scene reduces any interest here. The left side shows considerable light fall off, and while I believe that's the result of how the light fell naturally, it does nothing to help the photograph. I know you can do better. Using a 24mm lens allows one to play more with perspective. Perhaps if there were something of interest in the foreground you'd have something with more eye appeal and impact. I know you can produce better work than this. Paul Jones wrote: > Here is my picture of the week. > As usual comments are welcomed.> > http://www.alphalink.net.au/~nrg/week7.html -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT. The Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings Part 2.
Lasse: If that's not sufficient warning, I don't know what would be. Obvioulsy, nothing would satisfy you, not even giving the time, date and flight plan of the incoming plane, so they could shoot it down. You want to believe the US is evil, and no one will talk you out of it. I still invite you to read "Flags of our Fathers" or one of the other good accounts of the battles at the end of the Pacific war, before you declare, from a safe distance, that the US should have acted otherwise. Dan Lasse Karlsson wrote: > [This is part 2.] > > Did the US issue a fair warning which gave the civilians a chance to escaped from >injury? > > Many posters have claimed that the civilians by distributed leaflets did get a fair >warning of what they going to be target of. However there is no proof of any >leaflets or any other warnings being distributed before the bombing of Hiroshima. The >some 100 000 civilians had no idea of what suddenly was going to hit them. > > A few years ago the Smithsonian arranged an exhibition on the bombings, including >labels containing "historical facts". In a letter to the organizer a great number of >historians addressed the question of leaflets: > > "In yet another label, the Smithsonian asserts as fact that "Special leaflets were >then dropped on Japanese cities three days before a bombing raid to warn civilians to >evacuate." The very next sentence refers to the bombing of Hiroshima on August 6, >1945, implying that the civilian inhabitants of Hiroshima were given a warning. In >fact, no evidence has ever been uncovered that leaflets warning of atomic attack were >dropped on Hiroshima. Indeed, the decision of the Interim Committee was "that we >could not give the Japanese any warning."[10]" > [End of quote.] > http://www.doug-long.com/letter.htm > > However, there is evidence of leaflets having been produced and possibly distributed >(although I haven't come across a single instance proving that any civilian ever >received or read them.) These leaflets, however, were produced a f t e r the >bombing of Hiroshima, on the 7th or 8th, the latter is only a day before the surprise >bombing of Nagasaki. (There was an campaign including leaflets, radiotransmissions >and a newspaper in Japanese, obviously after Nagasaki too, but to what use, I can't >say.) > > When reading the two leaflets, you soon realize, that any claim that they actually >constitute a fair warning to the Nagasaki civilians can't be taken seriously. The >leaflets are a general call for surrender and "evacuation of all cities". > All indications point to the fact that the Nagasaki civilians were completely caught >by surprise. (Or they would of course not have stayed on as sitting ducks.) > > These are the wordings of the two leaflets that I have found: > > "TO THE JAPANESE PEOPLE: > "America asks that you take immediate heed of what we say on this leaflet. > "We are in possession of the most destructive explosive ever devised by man. A >single one of our newly developed atomic bombs is actually the equivalent in >explosive power to what 2000 of our giant B-29's can carry on a single mission. This >awful fact is one for you to ponder and we solemnly assure you it is grimly accurate. > "We have just begun to use this weapon against your homeland. If you still have any >doubt, make inquiry as to what happened to Hiroshima when just one atomic bomb fell >on that city. > "Before using this bomb to destroy every resource of the military by which they are >prolonging this useless war, we ask that you now petition the Emperor to end the war. >Our President has outlined for you the thirteen consequences of an honorable >surrendor: We urge that you accept these consequences and begin the work of building >a new, better, and peace-loving Japan. > "You should take stops now to cease military resistance. Otherwise, we shall >resolutely employ this bomb and all out other superior weapons to promptly and >forcefully end the war." > EVACUATE YOUR CITIES" > > [The second leaflet.] > > "ATTENTION JAPANESE PEOPLE" EVACUATE YOUR CITIES > "Because your military leaders have rejected the thirteen part surrender >declaration, two momentous events have occurred in the last few days. > "The Soviet Union, because of this rejection on the part of the military has >notified your Ambassador Sato that it has declared war on your nation. Thus, all >powerful countries of the world are now at war against you. > "Also because of your leaders' refusal to accept the surrender declaration that >would enable Japan to honorably end this useless war, we have employed our atomic >bomb. > "A single one of our newly developed atomic bombs is actually the equivalent in >explosive power to what 2000 of our giant B-29's could have carried on a single >mission. Radio Tokyo has told you that with the first use of this weapon of total >destruction, Hiroshima was virtually destroyed. > "Before we use this bomb again and
Re: When was the last time?
Mike Johnston wrote: > > Speaking of history, Bob, do you know the last time five thousand or more U.S. citizens died on North American soil? Do not know, and a quick web search did not turn up much. We will have to rely on the American history buffs for the answer. :) Bob Harris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Mindless Chitchat
At 08:05 AM 9/15/2001 -0500, you wrote: >That's a beautiful portrait up this week--natural and unaffected, which I >usually like. And whatever lens made that is one very nice lens IMHO. Was >that your 85mm? Thanks for the compliment...I think I used the 77 for that one. tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: PUG Stuff
William Robb wrote: > Please note, the deadline for the October gallery approacheth > rapidly. Is it the 20th? -- Daniel J. Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Stanley, Powers & Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Suite203, 1170 US Highway 22 East http://danmatyola.com Bridgewater, NJ 08807 (908)725-3322 fax: (908)707-0399 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT- let's pray 2-
Then let's just ignore them Dan Aaron Reynolds wrote: > Actually, Scoot's posts call for the death of everyone in the country, > followed by the salting of the soil so that nothing will ever grow > there. I believe that his posts are what everyone is getting worked up about. -- Daniel J. Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Stanley, Powers & Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Suite203, 1170 US Highway 22 East http://danmatyola.com Bridgewater, NJ 08807 (908)725-3322 fax: (908)707-0399 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: On a completely different tack - My first LX.
Surely you mean 1/5 second (or 1/2 second if it's a winder). Regards, Anthony Farr - Original Message - From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Trouble is - with the drive attached, it's all over in a few seconds... > > Ouch. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Massive Attack Seems Likely
The attack will not be on the Afghan people, or whatever little infrastructure they have left. The enemy is not the Afghan people. The enemy is Bin Laden, his organization and the Taliban government that harbors them. > Why does America insist on sinking to the terrorists > level? How is this going to help? Surely enough > innocent people have died. >From this post and particularly the passage above, I infer that Jody (and perhaps some others) believe that NATO's intent is an indiscriminate war on the Afghan people. The idea that it's the intent of the US, Belgium, Canada, Czech Republic, Denmark, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Spain, Turkey, and United Kingdom to target or wage war on innocent people is... insulting. Tell me this is not what you implied. Regards, Bob... --- "In the carboniferous epoch we were promised perpetual peace. They swore if we gave up our weapons that the wars of the tribes would cease. But when we disarmed they sold us, and delivered us, bound, to our foe. And the gods of the copybook headings said, 'Stick to the devil you know.' " --Rudyard Kipling - Original Message - From: "Jody" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 1:26 AM Subject: Re: Massive Attack Seems Likely > Too bad about the millions of innocent people whose > only crime was being born into the same country as a > handful of terrorists. > > And then there are the survivors. No sanitary > hospitals for them to go into, as there would be if > they lived in the US. They will be left to wallow > homeless (homes bombed) in their own filth, picking up > whatever disease is on the menu. > > Why does America insist on sinking to the terrorists > level? How is this going to help? Surely enough > innocent people have died. > > Jody. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Afghanistan thoughts
In a message dated 9/15/2001 8:52:18 AM US Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Bob Blakely wrote: > > > Your complaint is fair, and I'm the one who should read more closely. I > was > > wrong, and caustic in the process and I'm sorry. > > S'ok. My reply could have nicer, too. Seems that a lot of us have been > on edge lately, which is understandable. > > chris > Good to see this exchange. To add my Perspective(?) -- Too many of us have chosen to answer the situation by isolating acts of the past to "prove" a point, thus leading to purposeless bitter argument. Isolating historic events in an attempt to advance a theory accomplishes less than nothing. Perhaps we should look at our common interests and give respect to the differences. Personally I have been appalled at the naive judgement of those who seem to believe that only the USA received this attack. Disregarding whatever else the terrorist attack was, it was a attack on the world. To believe anything else is (in the opinion of this long-time student and teacher of history) naive to the point of incredulous. To search for the cause in a single dark closet is to remain in the dark forever. As for me, I am anguished, angry, and yes, fearful -- my location dictates that I personally am relatively safe on a personal basis. I fear those who would serve their own prejudices by excusing the attack because it was prompted by (__). Choose your incident, event, or policy. Regards and be well, Ed M. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Vs: Editorial
Raimo Korhonen wrote: > > The Chechen terrorists allegedly blew up a couple of high rise apartment houses in >Russia some years back and that triggered the current conflict. Be aware that many Russians -- including a number of my friends -- suspect that their own authorities (probably FSB, formerly the KGB) blew up those buildings for internal political reasons. Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Massive Attack Seems Likely
Well said Jody. Regards Nenad West Australia - Original Message - From: Jody <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 4:26 PM Subject: Re: Massive Attack Seems Likely > Too bad about the millions of innocent people whose > only crime was being born into the same country as a > handful of terrorists. > > And then there are the survivors. No sanitary > hospitals for them to go into, as there would be if > they lived in the US. They will be left to wallow > homeless (homes bombed) in their own filth, picking up > whatever disease is on the menu. > > Why does America insist on sinking to the terrorists > level? How is this going to help? Surely enough > innocent people have died. > > Jody. > > --- PAUL STENQUIST <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Late-breaking news suggests that an all-out attack > > on Afghanistan is > > inevitable. Apparently, the US has asked Pakistan > > for fly-over rights, > > which indicates that much more than a cruise missile > > attack is planned. > > Repeated repudiation of limited strike effectiveness > > also suggests that > > the strategy will be to "eliminate" those > > governments that provide safe > > haven to terrorists, or, at the very least, to > > eliminate one of them as > > an example to others. I would not be surprised if > > bombs and missiles > > fall tonight. A follow-up of ground troops with > > helicopter and fighter > > support seems likely. I expect that the Afghanistan > > of today will be > > gone before many weeks have passed. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Afghanistan thoughts
On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Bob Blakely wrote: > Your complaint is fair, and I'm the one who should read more closely. I was > wrong, and caustic in the process and I'm sorry. S'ok. My reply could have nicer, too. Seems that a lot of us have been on edge lately, which is understandable. chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Massive Attack Seems Likely
Jody writes: > Why does America insist on sinking to the terrorists > level? How is this going to help? Surely enough > innocent people have died. I don't generally condone violence either but I do believe that when you talk to someone you should speak their language, otherwise they just won't listen. IMO the bastards responsible, and all those associated with them, need to be found and disposed of in the most insulting and degrading way possible. I am sure this is possible without including a massive display of "collateral damage". Cheers, - Dave David A. Mann, B.E. (Elec) http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/ "Why is it that if an adult behaves like a child they lock him up, while children are allowed to run free on the streets?" -- Garfield - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT- let's pray 2-
Gee, you hold a grudge a long time :) --- Scooterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd just like to see it taken to it's most extreme > conclusion & salt the > earth (as the Egyptians did to a N. African country > over 3,000 years ago). __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Massive Attack Seems Likely
Too bad about the millions of innocent people whose only crime was being born into the same country as a handful of terrorists. And then there are the survivors. No sanitary hospitals for them to go into, as there would be if they lived in the US. They will be left to wallow homeless (homes bombed) in their own filth, picking up whatever disease is on the menu. Why does America insist on sinking to the terrorists level? How is this going to help? Surely enough innocent people have died. Jody. --- PAUL STENQUIST <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Late-breaking news suggests that an all-out attack > on Afghanistan is > inevitable. Apparently, the US has asked Pakistan > for fly-over rights, > which indicates that much more than a cruise missile > attack is planned. > Repeated repudiation of limited strike effectiveness > also suggests that > the strategy will be to "eliminate" those > governments that provide safe > haven to terrorists, or, at the very least, to > eliminate one of them as > an example to others. I would not be surprised if > bombs and missiles > fall tonight. A follow-up of ground troops with > helicopter and fighter > support seems likely. I expect that the Afghanistan > of today will be > gone before many weeks have passed. __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Vs: Afghanistan thoughts
I think everybody should read this. It is an accurate description of what Afghanistan now is. The reason given for this horrible destruction in USA seems to be right, too. Only one thing must be added: there is an opposition to Taleban and it controls 5% of the area. That`s not much but it could be a bridgehead. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://personal.inet.fi/private/raimo.korhonen -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Chris Brogden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Päivä: 15. syyskuuta 2001 1:57 Aihe: Afghanistan thoughts >I'm passing this along just as I received it... > > >-- Forwarded message -- >Folks, > >This came across on another mailing list I am on. Very interesting, >plausible response to "What did they hope to gain by this massive >terrorist attack" and a and bleak picture of Afghanistan today. > >*** >Subject: A view from Afghanistan > > >Dear Friends, >The following was sent to me by my friend Tamim >Ansary. Tamim is an Afghani-American writer. He is >also one of the most brilliant people I know in this >life. When he writes, I read. When he talks, I >listen. Here is his take on Afghanistan and the whole >mess we are in. > >-Gary T. > > >Dear Gary and whoever else is on this email thread: > >I've been hearing a lot of talk about "bombing >Afghanistan back to the Stone Age." Ronn Owens, on KGO >Talk Radio today, allowed that this would mean killing >innocent people, people who had nothing to do with >this >atrocity, but "we're at war, we have to accept >colateral damage. What else can we do?" Minutes later >I heard some TV pundit discussing whether we "have the >belly to do what must be done." > >And I thought about the issues being raised especially >hard because I am from Afghanistan, and even though >I've lived here (the US) for 35 years I've >never lost track of what's going on there. So I want >to tell anyone who will listen how it all looks from >where I'm standing. > >I speak as one who hates the Taliban and Osama Bin >Laden. There is no doubt in my mind that these people >were responsible for the atrocity in New York. I agree >that something must be done about those monsters. > >But the Taliban and Ben Laden are not Afghanistan. >They're not even the government of Afghanistan. The >Taliban are a cult of ignorant psychotics who took >over Afghanistan in 1997. Bin Laden is a political >criminal with a plan. When you think Taliban, think >Nazis. When you think Bin Laden, think Hitler. And >when you think "the people of Afghanistan" think "the >Jews in the concentration camps." It's not >only that the Afghan people had nothing to do with >this atrocity. They were the first victims of the >perpetrators. They would exult if someone would come >in there, take out the Taliban and clear out the rats >nest of international thugs holed up in their country. > >Some say, why don't the Afghans rise up and overthrow >the Taliban? The answer is, they're starved, >exhausted, hurt, incapacitated, suffering. A few years >ago, the United Nations estimated that there are >500,000 disabled orphans in Afghanistan--a country >with no economy, no food. There are millions of >widows. And the Taliban has been burying these >widows alive in mass graves. The soil is littered >with land mines, the farms were all destroyed by the >Soviets. These are a few of the reasons why the >Afghan people have not overthrown the Taliban. > >We come now to the question of bombing Afghanistan >back to the Stone Age. Trouble is, that's been done. >The Soviets took care of it already. Make the Afghans >suffer? They're already suffering. Level their houses? >Done. Turn their schools into piles of rubble? Done. >Eradicate their hospitals? Done. Destroy their >infrastructure? Cut them off from medicine and health >care? Too late. Someone already did all that. New >bombs would only stir the rubble of earlier bombs. >Would they at least get the Taliban? Not likely. In >today's Afghanistan, only the Taliban eat, only they >have the means to move around. They'd slip away and >hide. Maybe the bombs would get some of those disabled >orphans, they don't move too fast, they don't even >have wheelchairs. But flying over Kabul and dropping >bombs wouldn't really be a strike against the >criminals who did this horrific thing. Actually it >would only be making common cause with the Taliban--by >raping once again the people they've been raping all >this time. > >So what else is there? What can be done, then? Let me >now speak with true fear and trembling. The only way >to get Bin Laden is to go in there with ground troops. >When people speak of "having the belly to do what >needs to be done" they're thinking in terms of having >the belly to kill as many as needed. Having the belly >to overcome any moral qualms about killing innocent >people. Let's pull our heads out of the sand. What's >actually o
Vs: Vs: OT. WTC - Why no helicopters?
Sure - they "can be a couple of hundred miles per hour" - but were they? No attempt was made, no measurements either. Result: none we rescued. How much experience do you have about helicopters? Actually there were a couple of small helicopters flying around but they seemed to belong to the media. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://personal.inet.fi/private/raimo.korhonen -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Tom Rittenhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Päivä: 14. syyskuuta 2001 23:40 Aihe: Re: Vs: OT. WTC - Why no helicopters? >Hate to burst anyones bubble, but the updrafts in a fire like that can be a couple of >hundred miles >per hour. No helicopter could operate in those, it would be blown about like a leaf. >--graywolf > > >Chris Brogden wrote: >> >> On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Raimo Korhonen wrote: >> >> > I thought that there was a helicopter platform on top of one of the >> > towers. And it would have been good to see that something was even >> > tried to save these people. >> >> I think in the aftermath of this disaster a lot of people are going to be >> second-guessing the actions of the rescuers. Just keep in mind that what >> seems logical now is not always so obvious in the heat of the moment, >> which is probably the main reason all those rescue workers lost their >> lives when someone should have known that the building was due to >> collapse. >> >> That being said, I'm surprised that there weren't more measures in place >> to rescue people from skyscrapers quickly. Correct me if I'm wrong, but >> they were able to do virtually nothing, right? Seems to me that with all >> our current technology we should be able to come up with some methods that >> may save lives in the future. How about a helicopter carrying a long >> cable with a large cage attached to it? Give the cage a nice padded floor >> and a large opening and see how close you can get it to the window. Or >> something smaller than a parachute that would slow people's fall to the >> ground to survivable levels? Make it like an inflatable helium air bag >> with a basic hand strap and belt clip and it could be very small. Or if >> that won't work, they should be able to make emergency parachutes pretty >> compact by now. I'm not saying that these are great ideas, just that we >> need something done to help people in the future. Boats have lifeboats; >> why don't skyscrapers have anything other than stairs and an elevator? >> >> And does concrete really insulate the steel against heat better than, say, >> those ceramic panels used on space shuttles for re-entry? That material >> can't be too expensive... they make casserole dishes out of them, after >> all. :) >> > >-- >Tom Rittenhouse >Graywolf Photo >Charlotte, NC, USA - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Vs: OT. The Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings Part 2.
The intelligent expressions you use indicate that you have no respect for anything. Also Lasse has used this kind of expressions earlier and I did not approve them then either. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://personal.inet.fi/private/raimo.korhonen -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Tom Rittenhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Päivä: 15. syyskuuta 2001 8:16 Aihe: Re: OT. The Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings Part 2. >Well, I am the one who said you are full of shit. >--graywolf - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Vs: Editorial
The Chechen terrorists allegedly blew up a couple of high rise apartment houses in Russia some years back and that triggered the current conflict. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://personal.inet.fi/private/raimo.korhonen -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Robert Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Päivä: 14. syyskuuta 2001 23:45 Aihe: Re: Editorial >jmadams wrote: > >[big snip] > >> 2. Russia never had attacks on her cities or soil, or at least none that I >> know of, or the west was allowed to here about. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Silent Lenses
What's with this obsession with digital? I showed my flatmate my new LX. He said I shouldn't have wasted my money. He said I already have a camera (my MZ-30), and I should have got a digital so that I can manipulate the images on my computer. I don't want digital. I bought an LX because that was what I wanted. My MZ-30 is so automated. I think I will use it for snapshots only. If I had wanted a P&S digital, I would have got a P&S digital. I don't want to manipulate anything on my computer. I don't want a camera where you just push the button and it's done. I want to have far more control over the photo than that. Jody. --- Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ivan Prenosil wrote: > > > If you are after silence, why not use digital ? > > HAR! You must be new here . I'm an anachronism, > and have been > described as the poster child for manual cameras. > Digital is of no > value for much of the photography that I do. I'm > pretty much a > chemical darkroom user and B&W shooter. > > -- > Shel Belinkoff > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT. The Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings Part 2.
Tom wrote: > Well, I am the one who said you are full of shit. I don't have to prove that as you >do a much better > job of it than I could with every one of your anti-American posts. Some Americans, one of them you, Tom., do seem to have a great problem, which must make life very difficult for you. 1) You don't recognize a friend, even when he stands before you and reaches out his hand. 2) But it's worse.Those that already are your friends, you try your very best to make enemies of. It's really sad, but it's true. However, you have helped me Tom, in learning how to separate this kind of Americans from the other kind, those who do recognize a friend. You talk about "every one of [my] anti-American posts". My usual way when being accused of things that I do not think that I am guilty of, is to ask the person who is accusing me, to point out to me the grounds on which the accusations are based. In this case I won't. I am no longer interested in what you mean by "anti-American", Tom. Just hearing you say it, will do. I have learned that those posters who accuse me of being "anti-American", "anti-US" and the like, are no more reasonable than the fanatics among for instance the old Soviet (now Russian) communists and the fundamentalist muslims, which you are now raging against and on this list have proclaimed a holy war on. The rethorics are the same - everything and everybody outside of the defined community is "evil", as in "anti-American" etc. We usually on this list have a habit of making sure that we get the facts right. Be it some Pentax feature, whether glass is flowing, how the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor or did the Russians suffer great losses in the war. Not to mention facts about muslim or arabic countries recently. We can go on and on and on about such facts, and we don't call each other names like "anti-Russian",."anti-Japanese" etc. However, when it comes to anything that deals with U.S.A., it's all different. Not only are all completely neutral observations called "anti-American", but there are even some subjects, like Hiroshima or Viet Nam, which are regarded as "anti-American" topics in themselves (unless you express explicit support for US policies.) By this you define your enemies. They are, for all practical purposes, all non-Americans. I thought I had the same right to substantiate my position regarding the "warnings" in Hiroshima. Obviously I didn't fully understand that in the US are restrictions that I wasn't familiar with. (Not that I care that much, but it is interesting to see how they work.) When I say all this, you will of course again say that I am being anti-American, but it is just an observation. And you could be from anywhere. (Well, maybe not really, but never mind.). You will probably also say (or at least think) that I am again full of shit for having said this. That's fine. From now on, I will consider any names that you can come up with for me an honor. I will be pleased whenever you insult me. It will make me confident, because I know then that I am on the right track. > Why don't you cool it? Now, I am very cool. I have provided those who are seriously interested in it, means to judge for themselves whether I actually was full of shit, or not, when I responded to your statement that the US never have attacked civilians without warning. I have also realised that I do not any longer have to worry about you any more. That's cool to me. > If not out of respect for our dead, how about for your own? Oh, I have full respect for your dead, more so than I have for you, Tom. I have spent a great part of this week taking part of the continued reports on tragic events. It happens that a tear or two falls down my face, just like they do on many other faces. I do not really make that much difference between "your" or "our own". Suffering Swedes or suffering Americans don't make much difference to me, like it seems to do to you. >It is almost certain that someone from your country or connected with someone from >your country died in this > atrocity. There seems to be one missing yes. Your concern is warming, and surprising Tom, considering the many agressive and hateful messages you have posted recently. I thank you for this. (But I am still worried about Nenad and his people. Have you made friends with him, or do you still threaten to drop the atomic bomb on him and his people?) Lasse > Lasse Karlsson wrote: > > William Robb wrote: > > > With all due respect, this sort of post has nothing to do with > > > the present situation that the world finds itself in, > > > > Why don't you tell this to those who brought the subject up, and then made a >political/personal issue of it? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Let's pray
Thanks Aaron. Those are my sentiments exactly. The only two people I have met from the Middle East (from Iran and Iraq respectively) were very pleasant, decent human beings. Well, I thought that anyway until one of them (my ex) broke my heart. But he is still not the sort of person to kill anyone just for the fun of it. Jody. --- Aaron Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > People should not be judged as a whole by their > extremists. Everyone > needs to remember this right now. > > Thankfully, PDML seems to be one of the more > level-headed centres of > conversation on the 'net. On other sites, where the > conversation still > continues to be "kill all Arabs", I find myself > asking whether the same > people wanted all caucasians killed after Oklahoma. > I certainly don't > recall that from the time. > > It looks to me like some people are using this > terrible tragedy to vent > some pre-existing hatred, which not only disgusts me > but seriously > disrespects the memories of all of the people who > lost their lives > yesterday. To piggyback a personal agenda on the > suffering of a nation > is reprehensible. > > Thank God that the PDML has been nearly immune to > this so far. > > -Aaron __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
