Re: Orgin Myths
Hi Margo, That was my grandfather. He gave me his SP and lenses when I was a kid. I've been using Pentax since then for over 20 years, upgrading the bodies through ES II, ME-F, Super-A to LXen and MZ-5. Sincerely, Take Ueda, Osaka, Japan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.tripod.co.jp/hayatama/photo/
Re: Orgin Myths
After perusing these threads on how folks got into using their Pentaxes, a couple of thoughts occur to me. One is, why is it so depressing to think it's because that's what they might have used as kids? That makes no sense to me at all... We all have to be introduced at some time. I'm even more certain now it wasn't exactly an ethereal epiphany when the word Pentax was mentioned, and from them on one simply had to buy Pentax! ;^) It does seem that most of our exposure to Pentax was accidental or circumstantial, as opposed to a plan fom the beginning, after having read all they could read about 35mm cameras in general and decided on a Pentax... Now I'm sure that has happened for some folks, and especially some professionally oriented image makers, but for most of us here who are serious amateurs or amateur professionals, it was 'merely' a serendipitious happenstance [a mighty lucky decision!] ;^) Depressing? No way at all! I'm glad that whatever it was that happened to make me a Pentax man happened at all. That was my lucky day! I bought into the Pentax mystique and I'm happy that I did. Keith Whaley David A. Mann wrote: Mishka wrote: this thread is so depressing... seems like the only reason everyone is using pentax gear is because that's what they used when they were kids. Well, I bought into Pentax because I saw a nice K2 body in a camera shop. I wouldn't have cared, but I had recently seen a photo in a library book which had been taken with a Pentax K2. I had no idea how good or bad the camera was but after a little web searching decided to buy it (while still wondering what an aperture is). After that I went back to the library and looked in the book again, but couldn't find the K2 credit. Maybe I'd just imagined it. Its just as well, I'd probably have bought a cheap plastic Canon otherwise. That was about mid-September 1998. If only I'd known... ;) Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/ (out of date)
Re: Orgin Myths
One small case in point... Altho' one's original introduction to Pentax was more or less without plan, the decision to stay with the brand is intentional. Something about it anchors us... keith whaley Takehiko Ueda wrote: Hi Margo, That was my grandfather. He gave me his SP and lenses when I was a kid. I've been using Pentax since then for over 20 years, upgrading the bodies through ES II, ME-F, Super-A to LXen and MZ-5. Sincerely, Take Ueda, Osaka, Japan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.tripod.co.jp/hayatama/photo/
RE: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!
On 9 Sep 2002 at 0:32, MPozzi wrote: I really fo not understand how the 645NII can ever have a digital back. Any back that goes onto it, will need to be thicker than the existing ones (to carry the chip, the power source etc.) However, since it is going to be thicker, it will be impossible to look through the viewfinder as it is fixed and whose eyepiece is at the same distance as the current back. Hi, I don't believe that a P645 digital back would be that problematic to implement and even if it were and the back had to be extended then you could simply use the Eyepiece (Extension) for 70mm Film Holder Part# 38807 :-) I apologize if this is the second time this post has appeared, the first never came back to me :-( Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
Re: Orgin Myths
Mishka wrote: this thread is so depressing... seems like the only reason everyone is using pentax gear is because that's what they used when they were kids. Not exactly... I watched my Dad use a Retina IIIc and got to take some photos with it. When I wanted a camera as an adult, I made a studied choice. A Canon AE-1 was out, too big and who wants TV auto! The Olympus OM-1 looked good with AV auto, but was a little pricey. It came down to AV auto with Minolta or a Pentax ME. The Pentax ME was a new release and compact, and the Minolta model ( a 201T ?) was a couple of years old, big, and clunky. I picked the ME and haven't regretted it. Regards, Bob S.
Re: PDML limbo
It seems that most of my AM posts appeared this PM. Jeff - Original Message - From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 9:30 PM Subject: Re: PDML limbo Oh sure. THIS post goes through!! Sigh... g -f frank theriault wrote: Hi, Jeff, No, it's not just you. Some strange things have been happening to me over the last few days. I've had some posts appear hours (or in one case days) after I've sent them. Some of my posts don't appear at all (oddly, all my ~pithy~ ones, at that!vbg). And, I've seen some responses to some of my posts that I haven't seen come up at all (meaning that ~someone~ seems to be getting them, but not me). I'm cc'ing you separate from the list. Jeff, could you let me know if you get the cc, just so I know if my e-mails are getting out? thanks, frank Jeff wrote: It seems that many replies dissapear in email limbo. Is it just me? or something is wrong with the list server. Jeff. -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: Weekend Treat
Yes, but you also gave us Benny Hill, Are you Being Served, and the Carry on series! Cotty wrote: Isn't British humo[u]r an oxymoron? Why Dan, who was it that gave the world Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy, Monty Python, Peter Sellers, Fawlty Towers, Sanford and Son (yes - you guessed it, a copy of Steptoe and Son!), I could go on... Besides, everyone knows that it's the Germans that find it difficult to raise a smile ;-) Except Adelheid who laughed and smiled readily!!! And Americans - well - don't get me started!! PS - :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) PPS -I think the most important attribute regarding comedy is the ability to laugh at oneself. Brits do that well. Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh classified ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/ -- Daniel J. Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Stanley, Powers Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Suite203, 1170 US Highway 22 East http://geocities.com/dmatyola/ Bridgewater, NJ 08807 (908)725-3322 fax: (908)707-0399
RE: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!
Okdidn't know about that. thanks --- Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Original Message -- From: MPozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] However, since it is going to be thicker, it will be impossible to look through the viewfinder as it is fixed and whose eyepiece is at the same distance as the current back. The 70mm insert is also thicker than the 120/220. Pentax delivers an eyepiece to fit it. Which isn't that difficult to remove, btw. The eyepiece comes with the 70mm insert as a combo, i think, but should be reusable for a digital... Jostein. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com
RE: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!
On 9 Sep 2002 at 0:32, MPozzi wrote: I really fo not understand how the 645NII can ever have a digital back. Any back that goes onto it, will need to be thicker than the existing ones (to carry the chip, the power source etc.) However, since it is going to be thicker, it will be impossible to look through the viewfinder as it is fixed and whose eyepiece is at the same distance as the current back. Hi, I don't believe that a P645 digital back would be that problematic to implement and even if it were and the back had to be extended then you could simply use the Eyepiece (Extension) for 70mm Film Holder Part# 38807 :-) Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
Re: Orgin Myths
When I was 14, I saved up $140 US to buy my first SLR. Not having a car, I arranged with this guy who worked in the same store as me to go barter for a camera at the photo shop. Amusingly, the plan was to buy a low-end Nikon, I believe some flavor of Nikkormat. He came back with an SP500 because he was able to get a better deal. Of course I had many later chances to switch to another brand, but I always seemed attracted to the Pentaxes. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Asimo
Yesterday the wife I sent to see the new Honda robot demo. Columbus, OH, was only their 2nd showing in the US. Fantastic piece of engineering. AND after the demo they WILL allow you to (in fact, they encourage you to) take photographs of the unit! They're still booking demos, so pay attention. Collin
Re: Orgin Myths
In 1966, I was a young Marine in Viet Nam. I had brought a cheap camera with me, but became fascinated with a Minolta 101 SLR that a friend had acquired in Japan. I got a ride to a larger Air Force PX that stocked cameras. They were out of the Minolta, but the clerk showed me an Asahi Spotmatic, and told me the camera was about the same, but the Asahi lenses were supposed to be better. Since I didn't know when I could get back, I took him at his word and bought the camera. How did he know? The bottom line is that I got into Pentax by dumb luck. -- Daniel J. Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Stanley, Powers Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Suite203, 1170 US Highway 22 East http://geocities.com/dmatyola/ Bridgewater, NJ 08807 (908)725-3322 fax: (908)707-0399
Re: New Pentax speculation
If it's a photojournalist, the likely answer would be, I like it because it's what my agency provides... I was at an event recently, and was chatting with a fellow with a Canon pro digital body with a couple of very large lenses. Turned out he worked for AP (although he was freelancing that event), and that was pretty much what he told me. Had he been given the use of Nikon gear, he'd have been just as happy. regards, frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OTOH, a question I can see having _some_ value would be to ask someone, What is it _about_ the brand you use that you like. -- Glenn PS: Similarly, when deciding whether to go see a movie, it helps to know what the friends advising me did or didn't like, not just how much they liked or disliked it. More than once I've gone to see a movie, or bought a book, because the reasons a friend gave for not liking it told me it was something I _would_ like. -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
OT: The Popes Camera (Hopefully this wont offend...)
I just got this one 'The Popes Camera ' A fellow was visiting the Vatican and became separated from his tour group. After wandering for awhile, he needed to relieve himself. He finally found a bathroom and wandered in. You can imagine his surprise to discover the Pope sitting on the toilet masturbating. Figuring that this was an attraction few tourists ever saw, he snapped a couple of pictures. The Pope managed to recover his composure and offered the fellow $10,000 for the camera. The fellow decide to take him up on the offer and an exchange was arranged. The camera was a pretty nice unit, so after disposing of the film, the Pope decided he would use it on his world travels. One day while visiting a foreign country, a faithful follower noticed the Pope's camera and remarked that it was quite a unit. He then asked, How much did you pay for it? Ten thousand dollars. Wow, the guy who sold you that must have seen you coming!
Re: How did you start photography
When I was in high school my parents used to go to a lot of estate auctions. These auctions often featured boxed full of assorted stuff sold as single item. If you wanted one or two of the items you had to buy the whole box. My parents bought one such grab bag for some reason and found several cameras among the things they didn't want. One of these was an actual 35mm camera(!) and they gave it to me. The camera was a Universal Camera Corporation Mercury II, a truly bizarre, slightly-more-than-half-frame (it got about 40 shots on a 24-exposure roll) device. It was my first experience with a camera with adjustable shutter speed and aperture. That and a BW darkroom calss is school got me hooked. Next, I started coveting a 35mm SLR but the only things I could afford were truly junky. Then a store nearby had a sale on a Pentax K100 with 55mm f2.0 lens. It was still a little more expensive than the rubbish I'd been considering, but my parents loaned/gave me the extra money I needed and I was off. I still have two of the cameras from the auction collection, by the way: The Mercury II and a really cheesy Kodak TLR that I never even tried to use. -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com Photorgaphy and writing
Re: Pentax FA / Tamron vs Sigma 28-200's
The general feeling is that the original Tamron/Pentax were dogs. The later Tamron is much better. I know little about the Sigma other than I would never buy a Sigma consumer lens - which this is. Thanks, Bob, for the info (even if it's not exactly what I was hoping for - g). Fred
RE: Orgin Myths
Hi Margo, When I finally realized I needed to go to 35mm, after comparing similar shots from my friend's Olympus OM-1 and my 110 (Keystone I think) I began to do research. It's that engineering side of me. This was in 1983. I was looking for something that would not only provide me automation, which was just coming available, and still useable in manual. When I handled the cameras, Nikon and Canon were too big. Leica was too costly. The Pentax Super Program was great! I still have that camera. I took it out about a month ago and shot a roll through it for fun. But I have been spoiled by the LX's viewfinder... The Super Program was followed by the first LX. Eventually it was a question of needing two different types of film and a camera as backup for my travels. I never complained of the Pentax glass so why change? I started with a 50mm and I believe my next lens was the A70-210 f4 then the A28-135 f4. From there I began with prime lenses. Now that I have had a chance to use Nikon glass, and view similar shots from friends' Canon cameras I have to consider myself lucky to have started with Pentax. I guess you can say I am entrenched with Pentax with about 18 camera bodies, both k and screwmount, and 27 lenses. Cesar Panama City, Florida -Original Message- From: Margo Ellen Gesser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 10:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Orgin Myths Hi Pentaxians, I am about to ask all of you a big question: Why ARE we using Pentax gear instead of other brands? My answer is simple: I started with a K1000 and when I was able to upgrade I wanted to keep my lenses so I bought the MZ-3. I also worked in a camera store that has now closed (sob) where all our new cameras were Pentax or Canon, so I became saturated with all things Pentax. Margo
Re: Pentax FA / Tamron vs Sigma 28-200's
Don't be so quick in condemning Sigma consumer grade lenses. Check out Toni Lankerd's stuff on www.photocrituque.net , look under list by photographers ,especially the third one down ambience. Toni is a long time PUG contributor and a field editor for the e magazine Nature Photographer. She uses Pentax bodies and Sigma 28-80 and 28-135 consumer grade lenses as her main stays, and she tells me she loves the glass. Both of these lenses have had good lens test reports from Pop Photo. DG At 12:33 PM 9/7/02 +1000, you wrote: The general feeling is that the original Tamron/Pentax were dogs. The later Tamron is much better. I know little about the Sigma other than I would never buy a Sigma consumer lens - which this is. Bob - Original Message - From: Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 12:26 PM Subject: Pentax FA / Tamron vs Sigma 28-200's Hello out there in Pentax-Land. Does anyone have any experience with both of the following lens designs, and (if so) could compare them - The Pentax FA / Tamron 28-200/3.8-5.6 (I understand that these are the same lens) - versus - The Sigma 28-200/3.5-5.6 Yes, I understand that these do-everything (g) lenses are chock-full of compromises, but nonetheless I am interested in their comparative optical and build qualities. Thanks. Fred
RE: How did you start photography
Kevin, For me it has to be genetics. My father had an interest in photography and took many still and movie shots while my sister and I grew up. He used to develop bw before the growing family and working two to three jobs prevented any hobbies for him. I guess he passed that along to my sister and me. We both had cameras growing up. I can recall having a camera at a young age. I asked him recently if he recalled which one I had, he did not. I took bw sporadically since I had to pay for everything out of my allowance. I am still trying to find those photos. I vaguely recall the size of the camera and it being black. I recall my first 126 cartridge Kodak and using it. I was given an updated 126 cartridge by my aunt. I have to find it and see what was the difference since I recall being excited about the gift. I ended up getting a 110 at some point. I was happy until I was working and compared my shots with ones taken by my friend from atop Sierra Blanca, New Mexico in 1983. Thus began my fall into Pentax. Excellent question, Cesar Panama City, Florida -Original Message- From: Kevin Waterson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 5:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: How did you start photography The recent Origins thread regarding some of our first cameras got me thinking about my old k1000 and others I used when first starting. It also got me thinking how I entered photography and I thought I might share it with others in the hope others may have some fun sharing their first photographic experiences. For me, well.. A good friend and I were about 19-20 years old and unemployed in Sydney, so we decided to head off on a round Australia trip, picking up work as we went. This was 1979. We found ourselves in Kalgoorlie, Western Australia. Like most towns in WA it is in the desert and the primary industry is mining. Before too long we had work in some mines, and with this experience were able to travel to other locations and were readily accepted as experienced miners. At that time we were taking home some AUD$800.00 per week, big dollars in that time. I decided to purchase a camera to record our travels and unique work environment and purchased my first PENTAX. I was at the time workin at the Windarra Nickel Project, (Windarra is approximately 400km from anywhere) an underground mine of 1200 metres, and took the camera down the hole and took some photo's of my collegues and the mining operation. Many of the other miners thought it would be good also to have their photo taken whilst underground to send back to their loved ones. Many miners worked in these remote locations for 6-12 months, sending their pay packets home, before returning home themselves. I soon found I needed to charge for this service as the cost of film/processing was getting high. As we travelled to other mines in the desert I was able to eke out a good start in photography, especially low light situations. How did you get started? Kind regards Kevin -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Kevin Waterson Byron Bay, Australia
RE: Pentax FA / Tamron vs Sigma 28-200's
Well let me say that the biggest improvement I have ever seen in my photography was moving from the Sigma 28-80 to a Sigma 28-70 EX. The difference was stark - I suddenly realised that many of my older photos werent bad because I was no good, but because they were soft, had no detail and no contrast/colour. Even though the 28-70 is not a patch on the best lenses out there, I could not believe the improvement! I am not saying all Sigma consumer lenses are rubbish, I love the 70-300APO (for the money), and I think the 28-135 is reasonably well regarded but anyone who tells you they love the 28-80 is either lying or doesn't know what they are talking about. -Original Message- From: dick graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 09 September 2002 15:29 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax FA / Tamron vs Sigma 28-200's Don't be so quick in condemning Sigma consumer grade lenses. Check out Toni Lankerd's stuff on www.photocrituque.net , look under list by photographers ,especially the third one down ambience. Toni is a long time PUG contributor and a field editor for the e magazine Nature Photographer. She uses Pentax bodies and Sigma 28-80 and 28-135 consumer grade lenses as her main stays, and she tells me she loves the glass. Both of these lenses have had good lens test reports from Pop Photo. DG At 12:33 PM 9/7/02 +1000, you wrote: The general feeling is that the original Tamron/Pentax were dogs. The later Tamron is much better. I know little about the Sigma other than I would never buy a Sigma consumer lens - which this is. Bob - Original Message - From: Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 12:26 PM Subject: Pentax FA / Tamron vs Sigma 28-200's Hello out there in Pentax-Land. Does anyone have any experience with both of the following lens designs, and (if so) could compare them - The Pentax FA / Tamron 28-200/3.8-5.6 (I understand that these are the same lens) - versus - The Sigma 28-200/3.5-5.6 Yes, I understand that these do-everything (g) lenses are chock-full of compromises, but nonetheless I am interested in their comparative optical and build qualities. Thanks. Fred
RE: Pentax FA / Tamron vs Sigma 28-200's
Rob, Toni also told me that the 28-135 Sigma is much better than the 28-80. DG At 03:31 PM 9/9/02 +0100, you wrote: Well let me say that the biggest improvement I have ever seen in my photography was moving from the Sigma 28-80 to a Sigma 28-70 EX. The difference was stark - I suddenly realised that many of my older photos werent bad because I was no good, but because they were soft, had no detail and no contrast/colour. Even though the 28-70 is not a patch on the best lenses out there, I could not believe the improvement! I am not saying all Sigma consumer lenses are rubbish, I love the 70-300APO (for the money), and I think the 28-135 is reasonably well regarded but anyone who tells you they love the 28-80 is either lying or doesn't know what they are talking about. -Original Message- From: dick graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 09 September 2002 15:29 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax FA / Tamron vs Sigma 28-200's Don't be so quick in condemning Sigma consumer grade lenses. Check out Toni Lankerd's stuff on www.photocrituque.net , look under list by photographers ,especially the third one down ambience. Toni is a long time PUG contributor and a field editor for the e magazine Nature Photographer. She uses Pentax bodies and Sigma 28-80 and 28-135 consumer grade lenses as her main stays, and she tells me she loves the glass. Both of these lenses have had good lens test reports from Pop Photo. DG At 12:33 PM 9/7/02 +1000, you wrote: The general feeling is that the original Tamron/Pentax were dogs. The later Tamron is much better. I know little about the Sigma other than I would never buy a Sigma consumer lens - which this is. Bob - Original Message - From: Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 12:26 PM Subject: Pentax FA / Tamron vs Sigma 28-200's Hello out there in Pentax-Land. Does anyone have any experience with both of the following lens designs, and (if so) could compare them - The Pentax FA / Tamron 28-200/3.8-5.6 (I understand that these are the same lens) - versus - The Sigma 28-200/3.5-5.6 Yes, I understand that these do-everything (g) lenses are chock-full of compromises, but nonetheless I am interested in their comparative optical and build qualities. Thanks. Fred
RE: Pentax FA / Tamron vs Sigma 28-200's
Man she would just love the 24-90!!! -Original Message- From: dick graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 09 September 2002 15:49 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Pentax FA / Tamron vs Sigma 28-200's Rob, Toni also told me that the 28-135 Sigma is much better than the 28-80. DG At 03:31 PM 9/9/02 +0100, you wrote: Well let me say that the biggest improvement I have ever seen in my photography was moving from the Sigma 28-80 to a Sigma 28-70 EX. The difference was stark - I suddenly realised that many of my older photos werent bad because I was no good, but because they were soft, had no detail and no contrast/colour. Even though the 28-70 is not a patch on the best lenses out there, I could not believe the improvement! I am not saying all Sigma consumer lenses are rubbish, I love the 70-300APO (for the money), and I think the 28-135 is reasonably well regarded but anyone who tells you they love the 28-80 is either lying or doesn't know what they are talking about. -Original Message- From: dick graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 09 September 2002 15:29 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax FA / Tamron vs Sigma 28-200's Don't be so quick in condemning Sigma consumer grade lenses. Check out Toni Lankerd's stuff on www.photocrituque.net , look under list by photographers ,especially the third one down ambience. Toni is a long time PUG contributor and a field editor for the e magazine Nature Photographer. She uses Pentax bodies and Sigma 28-80 and 28-135 consumer grade lenses as her main stays, and she tells me she loves the glass. Both of these lenses have had good lens test reports from Pop Photo. DG At 12:33 PM 9/7/02 +1000, you wrote: The general feeling is that the original Tamron/Pentax were dogs. The later Tamron is much better. I know little about the Sigma other than I would never buy a Sigma consumer lens - which this is. Bob - Original Message - From: Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 12:26 PM Subject: Pentax FA / Tamron vs Sigma 28-200's Hello out there in Pentax-Land. Does anyone have any experience with both of the following lens designs, and (if so) could compare them - The Pentax FA / Tamron 28-200/3.8-5.6 (I understand that these are the same lens) - versus - The Sigma 28-200/3.5-5.6 Yes, I understand that these do-everything (g) lenses are chock-full of compromises, but nonetheless I am interested in their comparative optical and build qualities. Thanks. Fred
Re: OT: The Popes Camera (Hopefully this wont offend...)
(Hopefully this wont offend...) Well, whether it does or doesn't offend will be in the eyes of the beholder, I guess. However, I have to ask - just what part of the post is supposed to add something useful to the PDML ? Fred
RE: OT: The Popes Camera (Hopefully this wont offend...)
The humour? It WAS marked as OT (Off Topic) - just like many other non Pentax related posts. We are not going to start this old discussion again are we? -Original Message- From: Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] However, I have to ask - just what part of the post is supposed to add something useful to the PDML ? Fred
RE: New Pentax speculation
That is my understanding from reps and photographers I have talked to. Their loyalty runs to whomever will provide them the camera and lenses and freebies that will get the job done. Both Nikon and Canon will get the job done it is just a question of which company wants the visibility bad enough I guess. Cesar Panama City, Florida -Original Message- From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 1:15 PM If it's a photojournalist, the likely answer would be, I like it because it's what my agency provides... I was at an event recently, and was chatting with a fellow with a Canon pro digital body with a couple of very large lenses. Turned out he worked for AP (although he was freelancing that event), and that was pretty much what he told me. Had he been given the use of Nikon gear, he'd have been just as happy. regards, frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OTOH, a question I can see having _some_ value would be to ask someone, What is it _about_ the brand you use that you like. -- Glenn PS: Similarly, when deciding whether to go see a movie, it helps to know what the friends advising me did or didn't like, not just how much they liked or disliked it. More than once I've gone to see a movie, or bought a book, because the reasons a friend gave for not liking it told me it was something I _would_ like. -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: Orgin Myths
In a message dated 9/8/02 6:37:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Seems the only logical choice you've ever made is choosing Pentax ;). At 04:58 PM 9/8/2002 -0500, you wrote: I started with a used Kodak rangefinder in the early 60's, moved up to a Nikkormat in 65 or 66. Switched to an OM-1 for the size and more reliable light meter. Switched to an ME-Super for the size and a more reliable light meter. Have stuck with Pentax for the last 20 years or so because of reliability, quality design, backward computability of lenses, and because I prefer Subarus over Explorers, Macs over Windoze machines, fountain pens over ball points, intuition over structured processes, and a harsh cabernet over a mellow merlot. So call me an odd ball. Stan Stan: Excellent choices. I also drive only Subarus. I also use only Macs (although my daughter uses IBM and I often use it too). And, of course, use only Pentax. Bang for the Buck is what's all about Vic
Re: Pentax FA / Tamron vs Sigma 28-200's
on 09.09.02 16:48, dick graham at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob, Toni also told me that the 28-135 Sigma is much better than the 28-80. Well, I must admit that photos taken with my Sigma 28-135 are slightly sharper than ones made by my girlfriend using FA 28-70/4. I think this is the best standard consumer lens made by Sigma, not as good as EX series, but still very good, even compared to others (consumer grade), including Pentax. -- Best Regards Sylwek
Re: Pentax FA / Tamron vs Sigma 28-200's
I have one Sigma zoom and I don't think too much of it. It's the 35-70mm f3.4~4.5 Zoom Master. I prefer the Takumar 28-80mm f3.4~4.5 which according to some has barrel wobble - mine doesn't and takes good pictures. But to get to the point. One of the best lenses I have ever used is the Sigma 50mm f2.8 Macro EX I got from Al's Cameras a few years ago. I've used a lot of lenses, some cost tens of thousands of dollars and never left the laboratory, others were on cameras like my long series of Alpa Reflex models going back to the late 1950s. The lens I used most was the Kern Macro Switar 50mm f1.7. A great lens that easily resolved 250 line pairs on high resolution plate in my lab. But I've taken better pictures with the Sigma on an ME Super, P30 or P30T than I ever managed with the Switar. The MTF of this lens, from the Hasselblad lab in Sweden, can be found on the www. I can't remember where it is, but this lens has a rating of 4.2 and 4.8 is about as good as you can get; only one lens, a Tamron or Canon telephoto(?), reached 4.6 (was it?). One of you will know where all this information can be found. Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery Updated: March 30, 2002 - Original Message - From: Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 5:46 PM Subject: RE: Pentax FA / Tamron vs Sigma 28-200's Man she would just love the 24-90!!! -Original Message- From: dick graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 09 September 2002 15:49 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Pentax FA / Tamron vs Sigma 28-200's Rob, Toni also told me that the 28-135 Sigma is much better than the 28-80. DG At 03:31 PM 9/9/02 +0100, you wrote: Well let me say that the biggest improvement I have ever seen in my photography was moving from the Sigma 28-80 to a Sigma 28-70 EX. The difference was stark - I suddenly realised that many of my older photos werent bad because I was no good, but because they were soft, had no detail and no contrast/colour. Even though the 28-70 is not a patch on the best lenses out there, I could not believe the improvement! I am not saying all Sigma consumer lenses are rubbish, I love the 70-300APO (for the money), and I think the 28-135 is reasonably well regarded but anyone who tells you they love the 28-80 is either lying or doesn't know what they are talking about. -Original Message- From: dick graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 09 September 2002 15:29 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax FA / Tamron vs Sigma 28-200's Don't be so quick in condemning Sigma consumer grade lenses. Check out Toni Lankerd's stuff on www.photocrituque.net , look under list by photographers ,especially the third one down ambience. Toni is a long time PUG contributor and a field editor for the e magazine Nature Photographer. She uses Pentax bodies and Sigma 28-80 and 28-135 consumer grade lenses as her main stays, and she tells me she loves the glass. Both of these lenses have had good lens test reports from Pop Photo. DG At 12:33 PM 9/7/02 +1000, you wrote: The general feeling is that the original Tamron/Pentax were dogs. The later Tamron is much better. I know little about the Sigma other than I would never buy a Sigma consumer lens - which this is. Bob - Original Message - From: Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 12:26 PM Subject: Pentax FA / Tamron vs Sigma 28-200's Hello out there in Pentax-Land. Does anyone have any experience with both of the following lens designs, and (if so) could compare them - The Pentax FA / Tamron 28-200/3.8-5.6 (I understand that these are the same lens) - versus - The Sigma 28-200/3.5-5.6 Yes, I understand that these do-everything (g) lenses are chock-full of compromises, but nonetheless I am interested in their comparative optical and build qualities. Thanks. Fred
Re: OT: The Popes Camera (Hopefully this wont offend...)
AAARRRgg.. At 02:56 PM 9/9/2002 +0100, you wrote: I just got this one 'The Popes Camera ' A fellow was visiting the Vatican and became separated from his tour group. After wandering for awhile, he needed to relieve himself. He finally found a bathroom and wandered in. You can imagine his surprise to discover the Pope sitting on the toilet masturbating. Figuring that this was an attraction few tourists ever saw, he snapped a couple of pictures. The Pope managed to recover his composure and offered the fellow $10,000 for the camera. The fellow decide to take him up on the offer and an exchange was arranged. The camera was a pretty nice unit, so after disposing of the film, the Pope decided he would use it on his world travels. One day while visiting a foreign country, a faithful follower noticed the Pope's camera and remarked that it was quite a unit. He then asked, How much did you pay for it? Ten thousand dollars. Wow, the guy who sold you that must have seen you coming!
Re: Orgin Myths
You know, you even put a smilie in and still someone misunderstands. At 11:09 AM 9/9/2002 -0400, you wrote: In a message dated 9/8/02 6:37:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Seems the only logical choice you've ever made is choosing Pentax ;). At 04:58 PM 9/8/2002 -0500, you wrote: I started with a used Kodak rangefinder in the early 60's, moved up to a Nikkormat in 65 or 66. Switched to an OM-1 for the size and more reliable light meter. Switched to an ME-Super for the size and a more reliable light meter. Have stuck with Pentax for the last 20 years or so because of reliability, quality design, backward computability of lenses, and because I prefer Subarus over Explorers, Macs over Windoze machines, fountain pens over ball points, intuition over structured processes, and a harsh cabernet over a mellow merlot. So call me an odd ball. Stan Stan: Excellent choices. I also drive only Subarus. I also use only Macs (although my daughter uses IBM and I often use it too). And, of course, use only Pentax. Bang for the Buck is what's all about Vic
Re: OT: The Popes Camera (Hopefully this wont offend...)
I understand he acquired a Pentax camera, so I corrected the story... 'The Popes Camera ' A fellow was visiting the Vatican and became separated from his tour group. After wandering for awhile, he needed to relieve himself. He finally found a bathroom and wandered in. You can imagine his surprise to discover the Pope sitting on the toilet masturbating. Figuring that this was an attraction few tourists ever saw, he snapped a couple of pictures. The Pope managed to recover his composure and offered the fellow $10,000 for the PENTAX camera. The fellow decide to take him up on the offer and an exchange was arranged. The MINT BLACK PENTAX SPOTMATIC camera was a pretty nice unit, so after disposing of the film, the Pope decided he would use it on his world travels. One day while visiting a foreign country, a faithful follower noticed the Pope's PENTAX camera and remarked that it was quite a unit. He then asked, How much did you pay for it? Ten thousand dollars. Wow, that's a lot, even for a MINT BLACK PENTAX SPOTMATIC, the guy who sold you that must have seen you coming! Now, what's the point of all this? Because of his acquisitionof a Mint Black Pentax Spotmatic, the Pope regained infallibility afterwards... --
RE: OT: The Popes Camera (Hopefully this wont offend...)
You should have taken the 'OT' out then!! ;-) -Original Message- From: andre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 09 September 2002 17:03 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: The Popes Camera (Hopefully this wont offend...) I understand he acquired a Pentax camera, so I corrected the story... 'The Popes Camera ' A fellow was visiting the Vatican and became separated from his tour group. After wandering for awhile, he needed to relieve himself. He finally found a bathroom and wandered in. You can imagine his surprise to discover the Pope sitting on the toilet masturbating. Figuring that this was an attraction few tourists ever saw, he snapped a couple of pictures. The Pope managed to recover his composure and offered the fellow $10,000 for the PENTAX camera. The fellow decide to take him up on the offer and an exchange was arranged. The MINT BLACK PENTAX SPOTMATIC camera was a pretty nice unit, so after disposing of the film, the Pope decided he would use it on his world travels. One day while visiting a foreign country, a faithful follower noticed the Pope's PENTAX camera and remarked that it was quite a unit. He then asked, How much did you pay for it? Ten thousand dollars. Wow, that's a lot, even for a MINT BLACK PENTAX SPOTMATIC, the guy who sold you that must have seen you coming! Now, what's the point of all this? Because of his acquisitionof a Mint Black Pentax Spotmatic, the Pope regained infallibility afterwards... --
Re: Pentax FA / Tamron vs Sigma 28-200's
And is on sale at both Adorama and BH for $129 USD. DG At 05:25 PM 9/9/02 +0200, you wrote: on 09.09.02 16:48, dick graham at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob, Toni also told me that the 28-135 Sigma is much better than the 28-80. Well, I must admit that photos taken with my Sigma 28-135 are slightly sharper than ones made by my girlfriend using FA 28-70/4. I think this is the best standard consumer lens made by Sigma, not as good as EX series, but still very good, even compared to others (consumer grade), including Pentax. -- Best Regards Sylwek
Re: How did you start photography
My father had a Contaflex II that a friend of him brougth back from Germany in 1957 I think (the year I was born). At about 13 I began to take some photos with it, mostly when we were out for camping. Almost ten years later, I wanted something mine and different, and I bought a Canonet GIII QL 17 in a small artisanal photographers shop. I remember a customer telling me the lens had such an aperture that I would be able to take photos of the moon. I still ask myself what's the point (pun... the point on the negative...). A few years later, while talking with a hometown friend obviously knowing what he was talking about, I remember he declared that a Pentax MX would be about the best think I could buy if I wanted to have a SLR. A few months later I saw 2 cheap Pentax lenses in Mexico (28mm 135mm) and bought them as my mind was set on the MX. I got the MX body while visiting New York 2 months later and a 50mm 1.4 from the same place I got the Canonet, just before they closed (they were doing their 35mm work with Leica and Pentax and had great prices from Pentax Canada). I have stayed with Pentax ever since. Well, I tried a C*n*n T-90 + Angénieux 35-70 lately but found the kit uneasy to handle in low light situations. I am used to big Pentax K-series primes lenses now and think I would loose time learning to use another kit, even the MZ-S I acquired recently and, yes, again, that I want to sell or exchange. The MX is a great hiking camera. The LX is a great camera. Pentax, my dear friend... Andre --
Shel Belinkoff contact information?
Hello, Does anyone here have an address (not email) or better way to get Shel? I'm trying to close out a deal I've had with him for some time, and I'm not having much luck via email, and while I have most of the rest of our threads saved, for some reason I don't have his physical address, anymore. -Gary -- http://www.infotainment.org The destructive character is cheerful. - Walter Benjamin
Photokina 2002
Hi all, is anybody going to the fair? When? Are we going to have a PDML meet? All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho
Re: Some PUG comments
Thanks for the nice comment Jostein, appreciate it! (and yes, I have a few dozens of Lily shots of all sorts :-) Regards, JvW On Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:47:31 +0200, Jostein wrote: Tiger Lily by Jan van Wijk Tiger lillies must be one of the most photographed flowers in the world. This one stands out because of the well-placed sharpness, the colours and the composition. The background is also right; soft, but not boring. -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery
RE: FA50 f1.4 quality
-Original Message- From: gfen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] I'm obsessed owning the fastest budget lens that I can, for low light and shallow DOF, so I wouldn't want to step back to the 1.7 or even the 43mm ltd (if I could afford it!). If it wasn't for the fact that I wanted to have it in FA, I'd be heavily considering one of the 50 1.2's from KEH rigght now... Have you done much AF in low light? I find that once I get below about 2.8 on a 50 I have to switch to MF anyway...the AF just isn't that accurate, and, obviously, it hunts. So, my point is, maybe you might consider a 1.2. tv
Vs: Pentax flashes
The Vivitar is a reliable and powerful flash but the earlier ones have very high trigger voltages (like 300 volts) that may contribute to the reliability but may fry your camera electronics. The first generation is made in Japan and the most dangerous. If in doubt, check with a voltmeter. I have used my made in Japan Vivitar with ME and LX but did not dare to use it with AF bodies. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperainen viesti- Lahettaja: Mike Ignatiev [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paiva: 09. syyskuuta 2002 20:11 Aihe: Re: Pentax flashes I would recommend Vivitar 283: dirt cheap (~$30 on ebay), lots of power (in feet, GN 120) and tons of accessories. No TTL, but you said you want to use it as auto, and that should be OK. AFAIK, voltage is safe too. Best, Mishka -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 13:58:38 -0400 Subject: Pentax flashes Previously I inquired about flash trigger voltage with non-dedicated non-Pentax lenses. I had a small Sunpak flash that recently died on my after many years of service. I've decided that my safest bet is to get a Pentax flash, either the 201SA or the 220T. I've searched the Net for reviews or reproductions of instruction manuals but so far no luck. My line-up of camera bodies: K-1000, ME-Super, PZ-10, and a ZX-M. From what I understand either flash should work with all bodies at the auto mode (F5.6 for the 201SA, F4 for the 220T). There's no Pentax dealer around here so I need some feedback from others who have used these units. I'm assuming that the Pentax auto mode works like my dead Sunpak, i.e. you set a button on the flash on auto and then the lense to the needed aperture (with the correct sync speed, of course). With the online illustrations I see a sensor eye on the 201SA but not the 220T. Does the 220T have a sensor eye to measure the flash output? If not, how does it work on the auto mode? I tried cosulting my ZX-M manual for info on Pentax flash compatibility but it don't read should like English. :-) So any info on either flash from owners would be appreciated. Best, Ray
Re: FA50 f1.4 quality
Myself, confirm. It's sweet. - Original Message - From: gfen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 2:22 PM Subject: FA50 f1.4 quality Hello, Being that no shops in my area carry Pentax except the occasional ZX-L or -30 and a kit zoom, I don't really have the option of hands-on seeing someting until I've bought it.. So, I was wondering what people think of the FA50 f1.4. I currently have teh A50 f1.4 on my ZX-5n, and while I do enjoy it, I think that I'd lke to have the option of AF there, as well. I seem to remember reading here that the FA50 had a good, solid feel when it manual focus mode, and that it wasn't sloppy like most autofocus lenses in manual. Can someone please confirm or deny? -- http://www.infotainment.org The destructive character is cheerful. - Walter Benjamin
Vs: Photokina 2002
My stay is 27th to 29th - so Saturday 27th would be possible. Are there other people coming? It´s a bit late but maybe we could get somebody from Pentax? All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Dario Bonazza 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Päivä: 09. syyskuuta 2002 20:51 Aihe: Re: Photokina 2002 Why not? I'll be there from Sep. 25 to 27! Dario Bonazza http://www.dariobonazza.com - Original Message - From: Raimo Korhonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 7:45 PM Subject: Photokina 2002 Hi all, is anybody going to the fair? When? Are we going to have a PDML meet? All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho
RE: FA50 f1.4 quality
On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, tom wrote: Have you done much AF in low light? I find that once I get below about Fastest AF lens I have is the 28-70 F4, and I rarely use it. 2.8 on a 50 I have to switch to MF anyway...the AF just isn't that accurate, and, obviously, it hunts. Understood, and the primary reason I want to ensure the manual feel is good with the lens. So, my point is, maybe you might consider a 1.2. Oh, considered, decided, desired... Except I use the 50 on my camera on an almost constant basis, and if I want to use it as my regular lens, I figured I'd pay the money for AF just in case. -- http://www.infotainment.org The destructive character is cheerful. - Walter Benjamin
Re: FA50 f1.4 quality
So, my point is, maybe you might consider a 1.2. Oh, considered, decided, desired... Except I use the 50 on my camera on an almost constant basis, and if I want to use it as my regular lens, I figured I'd pay the money for AF just in case. Isn't the 50 1.2 Manual more expensive?
RE: Orgin Myths
What is missing from this thread are the reasons why folks left Pentax for other brands (for rather other obvious reasons - they're not here). What it generally comes down to is that people have made substantial investments in their system that are satisfactory for what they are doing. So long as you are getting the results you want then you have the right brand. When you are not getting the results you want, and it can be fixed with some technology, other companies have more solutions. From: Mike Ignatiev [EMAIL PROTECTED] Seriously, it's much more interesting to hear why people made a *conscious* decision to use one or another kind of equipment (as oposed to having inherited it). But I was wrong in my initial judgement -- seems like lots of people here did make that choice, and I saw some very good reasons. Now if only someone from Pentax marketing were listening... Best, Mishka
OT: flash slave triggers
I am looking for an advice on those. Something reliable and inexpensive. My flashes are Sunpak 522 and Vivitars 283 and 550 and I am curious to experiment with off camera setups. Best, Mishka
RE: OT: flash slave triggers
The fabulous and inexpensive Peanut Slave by Wein seems to work just fine with the Vivitar 283 flashes I have. Now that I've dispensed with my suggestion I have a little tale to tell: I've heard of people trying to use these Peanut slaves at weddings... imagine this.. you're the photographer at the wedding.. attempting to use off camera remote flash with a peanut slave.. you set the picture up.. get ready to shoot and then someone in the crowd decides to snap a quick shot with their PS. BLAMMO.. your peanut slave (which is sensitive to flash light) fires off all your flashes and now you have to wait for the reload.. not to mention that the bridal party is starting to get upset because they're getting a sunburn from all the flash :) Cheers, Dave Original Message: - From: Mike Ignatiev [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 23:44:56 +0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT: flash slave triggers I am looking for an advice on those. Something reliable and inexpensive. My flashes are Sunpak 522 and Vivitars 283 and 550 and I am curious to experiment with off camera setups. Best, Mishka mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .
Re: FA50 f1.4 quality
On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Brad Dobo wrote: Isn't the 50 1.2 Manual more expensive? There's a few used ones in the mid $200's... An extra $60 or so over the FA50 1.4 isn't too much, really.. :) -- http://www.infotainment.org The destructive character is cheerful. - Walter Benjamin
RE: OT: flash slave triggers
hahahahaha :-) --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The fabulous and inexpensive Peanut Slave by Wein seems to work just fine with the Vivitar 283 flashes I have. Now that I've dispensed with my suggestion I have a little tale to tell: I've heard of people trying to use these Peanut slaves at weddings... imagine this.. you're the photographer at the wedding.. attempting to use off camera remote flash with a peanut slave.. you set the picture up.. get ready to shoot and then someone in the crowd decides to snap a quick shot with their PS. BLAMMO.. your peanut slave (which is sensitive to flash light) fires off all your flashes and now you have to wait for the reload.. not to mention that the bridal party is starting to get upset because they're getting a sunburn from all the flash :) Cheers, Dave Original Message: - From: Mike Ignatiev [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 23:44:56 +0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT: flash slave triggers I am looking for an advice on those. Something reliable and inexpensive. My flashes are Sunpak 522 and Vivitars 283 and 550 and I am curious to experiment with off camera setups. Best, Mishka mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: Asahi 1/21 Spotmeter...
I've picked up an Asahi 1/21 spotmeter from a fellow list member, and I've got two questions about it that I hope the group can answer: Hi Tim, perhaps a scanned manual of one of the incarnations of the1/21 will help you... see my webpage at: http://www.volny.cz/fotof/tech/ for it. I have the latest model, and indeed it's very nice. Frantisek photos at www.volny.cz/ffranta ZDARMA a RYCHL zasln SMS z www.posliSMS.cz
Re: Asahi 1/21 Spotmeter...
Thanks, Frantisek. Apparently, the tiny red triangle indicates the shutter speed for 8mm movie cameras running at 16 fps. t On 9/9/02 1:17 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've picked up an Asahi 1/21 spotmeter from a fellow list member, and I've got two questions about it that I hope the group can answer: Hi Tim, perhaps a scanned manual of one of the incarnations of the1/21 will help you... see my webpage at: http://www.volny.cz/fotof/tech/ for it. I have the latest model, and indeed it's very nice. Frantisek photos at www.volny.cz/ffranta ZDARMA a RYCHLÉ zasílání SMS z www.posliSMS.cz
Zoom len for my pentax camera
I am selling this len + converter here: http://home.vinet.com/~vua/zebay/ if you interest please e-mail me. Otherwise I will put them on web auction. Regards Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: Spam with address obtained from list
I'm a digest boy, so I may be last with the news on this one. I've just had a message addressed to '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' (which I only use for this list, deliberately) containing a 'setup.exe' attachment and a text file that contained the line 'name=Re_ Why I'm leaving pentax (and why you will follow) (1).txt' and a load of gibberish... Is the list being archived on the web with email addresses visible? I've found this is a major source of spam (i.e. email addresses of mine that aren't on the web anywhere don't get spam). If so, could this be changed? Otherwise I'm off*... Anyone else suffering this? S. *I was considering unsubbing until well after Photokina, by then the 'I want something Pentax don't make' thread may have subsided by then... ;-) Mind you, I've been enjoying the 'why I use Pentax' stuff, and as ever the discussion about bodies and lenses, which is why I'm here...
Re: Asahi 1/21 Spotmeter...
As to a slip-on cap, what I've done for one of my odd size lenses for an odd camera was an old camcorder cap, about the size of the target lens, and I padded it inside with adhesive tape to make it fit. So any thing just big enough, you can probably make it work. I used to have binocular lens caps. I'd imagine they are about the right size. Visit a pawn shop. The one near me has a whole basket of miscellaneous caps for all sort of things, mostly camera related I think, perhaps droppings from the junk they took in, and they let them go for pennies. Tonghang. On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Timothy Sherburne wrote: Hello all... I've picked up an Asahi 1/21 spotmeter from a fellow list member, and I've got two questions about it that I hope the group can answer: 1) Is the lens hood diameter 46mm? I'd like to pick up a slip-on cap for it, and 46mm looks to be close. 2) What does the little orange triangle on the shutter speed scale for? It's 1/3 stop to the left of the 1/60th second mark. I've figured out the other features and it works great! Thanks, Tim
Re: Pentax FA / Tamron vs Sigma 28-200's
You too would come to the same conclusion if you had one fall apart on your hands! (28-80 Sigma Zoom) Bob - Original Message - From: dick graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 12:28 AM Subject: Re: Pentax FA / Tamron vs Sigma 28-200's Don't be so quick in condemning Sigma consumer grade lenses. Check out Toni Lankerd's stuff on www.photocrituque.net , look under list by photographers ,especially the third one down ambience. Toni is a long time PUG contributor and a field editor for the e magazine Nature Photographer. She uses Pentax bodies and Sigma 28-80 and 28-135 consumer grade lenses as her main stays, and she tells me she loves the glass. Both of these lenses have had good lens test reports from Pop Photo. DG At 12:33 PM 9/7/02 +1000, you wrote: The general feeling is that the original Tamron/Pentax were dogs. The later Tamron is much better. I know little about the Sigma other than I would never buy a Sigma consumer lens - which this is. Bob - Original Message - From: Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 12:26 PM Subject: Pentax FA / Tamron vs Sigma 28-200's Hello out there in Pentax-Land. Does anyone have any experience with both of the following lens designs, and (if so) could compare them - The Pentax FA / Tamron 28-200/3.8-5.6 (I understand that these are the same lens) - versus - The Sigma 28-200/3.5-5.6 Yes, I understand that these do-everything (g) lenses are chock-full of compromises, but nonetheless I am interested in their comparative optical and build qualities. Thanks. Fred
Re: Has the MZ-S already a new mount?
Well, the MZ-S makes a noise when shaking it. It sounds like a small metal ball that moves when shaking the camera. It's located somewhere in the prism according to my ears. Interestingly, according to the Pentax Image stabilization patent, the camera, not the lenses, have vibration sensors. Could this be what makes a noise when shaking the camera? Most likely it's something entirely different, though; maybe its just a sensor for determining whether the camera is held vertically of horizontally used for metering. I believe my former MZ-S also had the same noise. Pål
Re: Has the MZ-S already a new mount?
Well, the MZ-S makes a noise when shaking it. It sounds like a small metal ball that moves when shaking the camera. It's located somewhere in the prism according to my ears. Interestingly, according to the Pentax Image stabilization patent, the camera, not the lenses, have vibration sensors. Could this be what makes a noise when shaking the camera? Most likely it's something entirely different, though; maybe its just a sensor for determining whether the camera is held vertically of horizontally used for metering. I believe my former MZ-S also had the same noise. http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1Sect2=HITOFFd=PG01p=1u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htmlr=1f=Gl=50s1='20020118963'.PGNR.OS=DN/20020118963RS=DN/20020118963 http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1Sect2=HITOFFd=PG01p=1u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htmlr=1f=Gl=50s1='20020114623'.PGNR.OS=DN/20020114623RS=DN/20020114623 There are mention of KAF III. Could this be the new mount based on KAF2? regards, Alan Chan _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
Re: Weekend Treat
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Re: Pentax FA / Tamron vs Sigma 28-200's
Hi, Bob, Gotta agree with you there. I have one Sigma, an older 80's vintage APO 3.5-4.5 50-200 zoom. It takes very nice pictures. Sharp, nice (but not the best) bokeh - optically very competent. Nice all metal barrel. But the aperture ring is plastic. Very flimsy plastic, such that one can easily deform it by using quite ordinary pressure on it while adjusting the aperture. One has to use a ~very~ light touch on it, because it deforms to the extent that it can be difficult to turn. This, on what would have been a fairly expensive lens in its time. Luckily I got it on eBay for a song, but it really takes much of the pleasure out of using it, and makes me wonder how long it's going to last... I guess everything I've read about that famous Sigma build quality is true. regards, frank Bob Rapp wrote: You too would come to the same conclusion if you had one fall apart on your hands! (28-80 Sigma Zoom) -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
OT: Actor Michael Elphick dies
It is with great sadness that I learned this evening of the death of British actor Michael Elphick. I worked as a sound dubbing editor in the mid 1980s in Birmingham (UK) on the television series 'Boon' and spent many a boozy hour passing the time with him and other actors (including a very young Neil Morrisey) and production people in the Central TV Sports and Social Club bar. Michael was a well-seasoned drinker and after many a scrapped take trying to keep him in focus and on his mark (he would regularly drift in and out of focus), the producer, Esta Charkham, laid down the law. No more drinking. His greatest line ever delivered (to me) was at the urinals in the toilet where he once asked me, So what time does this bog get into Euston?. His timing was always spot on. Not seen him in years, will be missed. Micheal Elphick 1946 - 2002 R.I.P. Excuse the bandwidth. Cotty Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh classified ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
Re: Spam with address obtained from list
- Original Message - From: Simon Storey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anyone else suffering this? Never seen one single spam mail through my list address yet (for two years). Maybe someone have your address book in their contacts and got infected by a virus? Jostein
Web site update
A handful of new images. Otherwise pretty much the same. Yer all invited... http://oksne.net Jostein
RE: Orgin Myths
Bruce how obvious. Why do you hang out here anyway? All you do is act like the dog in the manger and this post is an perfect example. At 03:44 PM 9/9/2002 -0400, you wrote: What is missing from this thread are the reasons why folks left Pentax for other brands (for rather other obvious reasons - they're not here). What it generally comes down to is that people have made substantial investments in their system that are satisfactory for what they are doing. So long as you are getting the results you want then you have the right brand. When you are not getting the results you want, and it can be fixed with some technology, other companies have more solutions. From: Mike Ignatiev [EMAIL PROTECTED] Seriously, it's much more interesting to hear why people made a *conscious* decision to use one or another kind of equipment (as oposed to having inherited it). But I was wrong in my initial judgement -- seems like lots of people here did make that choice, and I saw some very good reasons. Now if only someone from Pentax marketing were listening... Best, Mishka
RE: Web site update
Fantastic. I love the new landscapes! This is really inspiring stuff, and make me just wish I had scenery that good nearby... You really have a gift ther Jostein. -Original Message- From: Jostein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 09 September 2002 23:18 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Web site update A handful of new images. Otherwise pretty much the same. Yer all invited... http://oksne.net Jostein
Re: Weekend Treat
Completely overshadowed by that Rowan Atkinson person. :-) It'll take years of Python, etc., to overcome that deficit! :-) On Mon, 9 Sep 2002 19:12:39 +0200, Matjaz Osojnik wrote: Well, they also gave us Only fools and horses. One of the greatest. Matjaz Yes, but you also gave us Benny Hill, Are you Being Served, and the Carry on series! TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
RE: Orgin Myths
On 9 Sep 2002 at 18:44, Peter Alling wrote: Bruce how obvious. Why do you hang out here anyway? All you do is act like the dog in the manger and this post is an perfect example. Bruce just loves us folk :-) I didn't find his post a problem, it did highlight the truth, it just serves to highlight the fact that not all photographers need to shoot 20 rolls of film @ 10fps using an USM IS 800f2.8 lens during a football game to achieve their artistic goals :-) Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
Re: Orgin Myths
On 9 Sep 2002 at 13:26, Steve Desjardins wrote: Why is this depressing? The four main 35 mm SLR makers all make good equipment, and people tend to stay with what they are used to. What they are used to or what fits them best? I find it hard to believe that many people would systematically try all four majors brands (plus maybe Contax, etc.) to actually make a decision. I am fortunate enough to be able to afford whatever gear I like and as such I've tested many alternate systems however Pentax gear simply best suites my needs as a photographer (for 35mm SLR) Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
Re: Orgin Myths
Hi Rob, Rob Studdert wrote: On 9 Sep 2002 at 13:26, Steve Desjardins wrote: Why is this depressing? The four main 35 mm SLR makers all make good equipment, and people tend to stay with what they are used to. What they are used to or what fits them best? For me, what fits best... I gave up, got rid of an entire Olympus kit, lenses and all, after I fell in love with a Pentax MG. Now I've 6 lenses and 2 Pentax bodies (my 2nd is a Spotty F) and all because it was some sort of draw. I like the feel. Controls come to hand readily and it's a smoother camera all around. For me. Now, I did like the Olympus. I had an OM-1 and an OM-2, several lenses, lots of extra gear. I left Olympus entirely for Pentax. I was quite used to it and did love the whole Olympus scene, but I like the Pentax more... I think I did the right thing! Can't adequately explain why...it seemed to be the right thing to do! keith whaley I find it hard to believe that many people would systematically try all four majors brands (plus maybe Contax, etc.) to actually make a decision. I am fortunate enough to be able to afford whatever gear I like and as such I've tested many alternate systems however Pentax gear simply best suites my needs as a photographer (for 35mm SLR) Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
Re: Weekend Treat
frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OTOH, don't get me going with Monty Python!! If there's ever been a funnier comedy troupe, I haven't seen them! I'm a lumberjack, and I'm okay! My S.O. has seen two Monty Python films but none of their TV shows. But she's almost memorized several of their sketches from hearing me recite them so many times. Tell you what I really miss, though: Red Dwarf. No vacuum cleaner should give any human a double polaroid -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com Photorgaphy and writing
[OT] funny thread title (or mocking other brands :-)
I know it's off-topic, but I just couldn't help myself :-) There's thread on photonet with a title that says If canon [sic!] invented the digital rebel Is this funny or what? I'm glad Pentax doesn't bother to invent any fancy names for their cameras (well, despite the Spotmatics but that somehow sound very nice :-) - anyone cares to tell me what does that name mean?). Regards, ukasz
RE: Weekend Treat
Yeah, but there's always the books to fall back on when there is no RD repeats on the box. Shaun Canning PhD Student Department of Archaeology School of European and Historical Studies La Trobe University, Bundoora, Vic, 3086. Phone: 0414-967644 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 10 September 2002 9:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Weekend Treat frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OTOH, don't get me going with Monty Python!! If there's ever been a funnier comedy troupe, I haven't seen them! I'm a lumberjack, and I'm okay! My S.O. has seen two Monty Python films but none of their TV shows. But she's almost memorized several of their sketches from hearing me recite them so many times. Tell you what I really miss, though: Red Dwarf. No vacuum cleaner should give any human a double polaroid -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com Photorgaphy and writing
Re: OT: Spam with address obtained from list
Simon Storey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a digest boy, so I may be last with the news on this one. I've just had a message addressed to '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' (which I only use for this list, deliberately) containing a 'setup.exe' attachment and a text file that contained the line 'name=Re_ Why I'm leaving pentax (and why you will follow) (1).txt' and a load of gibberish... Sounds like the klez virus. It renames its payload file attachment, fakes the from: line in email headers and scarfs its destination addresses from the victim's address book *and* browser cache. I just got the same virus about an hour ago (possibly) from another PDML person (its difficult to be sure where it really came from). Send a courteous note to the person who *appears* to have sent it if you like, but keep in mind they might have nothing to do with it. -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com Photorgaphy and writing
RE: Orgin Myths
Rob, I'm not really offended by Bruce, it's just that he never seems to contribute except to rain on someone's parade. This thread was about why the we use the equipment we do, Some fell into Pentax, some chose Pentax, but we have all stayed with, or came back to Pentax. If it didn't suite us we wouldn't be here. At 09:07 AM 9/10/2002 +1000, Rob Studdert wrote: On 9 Sep 2002 at 18:44, Peter Alling wrote: Bruce how obvious. Why do you hang out here anyway? All you do is act like the dog in the manger and this post is an perfect example. Bruce just loves us folk :-) I didn't find his post a problem, it did highlight the truth, it just serves to highlight the fact that not all photographers need to shoot 20 rolls of film @ 10fps using an USM IS 800f2.8 lens during a football game to achieve their artistic goals :-) Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
Re: Has the MZ-S already a new mount?
If they come out with an KAF III and it's not really the KAF II that's said to be in the MZ-S, I'll be royally pissed. Just got the thing this summer and I'm a student. Whatever (if there is one) Pentax comes up with, it had better be fully compatible with the MZ-S. - Original Message - From: Alan Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 5:45 PM Subject: Re: Has the MZ-S already a new mount? Well, the MZ-S makes a noise when shaking it. It sounds like a small metal ball that moves when shaking the camera. It's located somewhere in the prism according to my ears. Interestingly, according to the Pentax Image stabilization patent, the camera, not the lenses, have vibration sensors. Could this be what makes a noise when shaking the camera? Most likely it's something entirely different, though; maybe its just a sensor for determining whether the camera is held vertically of horizontally used for metering. I believe my former MZ-S also had the same noise. http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1Sect2=HITOFFd=PG01p= 1u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htmlr=1f=Gl=50s1='20020118963'.PGNR.OS=DN/200 20118963RS=DN/20020118963 http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1Sect2=HITOFFd=PG01p= 1u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htmlr=1f=Gl=50s1='20020114623'.PGNR.OS=DN/200 20114623RS=DN/20020114623 There are mention of KAF III. Could this be the new mount based on KAF2? regards, Alan Chan _ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
Re: Pentax FA / Tamron vs Sigma 28-200's
frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gotta agree with you there. I have one Sigma, an older 80's vintage APO 3.5-4.5 50-200 zoom. It takes very nice pictures. Sharp, nice (but not the best) bokeh - optically very competent. Nice all metal barrel. But the aperture ring is plastic. Very flimsy plastic, such that one can easily deform it by using quite ordinary pressure on it while adjusting the aperture. One has to use a ~very~ light touch on it, because it deforms to the extent that it can be difficult to turn. This, on what would have been a fairly expensive lens in its time. Luckily I got it on eBay for a song, but it really takes much of the pleasure out of using it, and makes me wonder how long it's going to last... I guess everything I've read about that famous Sigma build quality is true. Sigma mist have a weird history. I've had a couple of their old, manual focus primes that were really solidly built: All metal construction, good focusing feel. Very nice indeed. When they went to autofocus it seemed they really slipped for a while. The 18-35 zoom I had took nice enought photos (especially for the price) but felt like it was made of plastic and cardboard. *Cheap* plastic and cardboard, at that! The recent 28-135 zoom is much better. Feels like an above-average quality consumer grade zoom. The EX series 300/2.8 is just top notch in terms of construction and image quality. Of course, it should be for the price. -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com Photorgaphy and writing
Re: Some PUG comments
Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Waiting for the Palio by Gianfranco Irlanda Again, great composition. As many with many previous PUG images, Gianfranco is very good at capturing moods, expressions and moments. Wish I had an eye like that. Hi Jostein, Thanks a LOT for your kind words! You made my day... Ciao, Gianfranco = __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com
Re: OT: The Popes Camera (Hopefully this wont offend...)
Guys...pleasethis is a family list! Nuff said. Cot Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh classified ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
Re: Weekend Treat
Well, Dan, that's probably because you have a modicum of intelligence. I guess farting noises and women (sorry, birds) with big breasts in bikinis are funny to a 6 year old boy... OTOH, don't get me going with Monty Python!! If there's ever been a funnier comedy troupe, I haven't seen them! I'm a lumberjack, and I'm okay! -frank Daniel J. Matyola wrote: I never understood Benny Hill's sense of humor... -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: OT: The Popes Camera (Hopefully this wont offend...)
This story offends me. I never expected to see anything like this on PDML. Jim A. From: andre [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:02:49 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: The Popes Camera (Hopefully this wont offend...) Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:05:54 -0400 I understand he acquired a Pentax camera, so I corrected the story... 'The Popes Camera ' A fellow was visiting the Vatican and became separated from his tour group. After wandering for awhile, he needed to relieve himself. He finally found a bathroom and wandered in. You can imagine his surprise to discover the Pope sitting on the toilet masturbating. Figuring that this was an attraction few tourists ever saw, he snapped a couple of pictures. The Pope managed to recover his composure and offered the fellow $10,000 for the PENTAX camera. The fellow decide to take him up on the offer and an exchange was arranged. The MINT BLACK PENTAX SPOTMATIC camera was a pretty nice unit, so after disposing of the film, the Pope decided he would use it on his world travels. One day while visiting a foreign country, a faithful follower noticed the Pope's PENTAX camera and remarked that it was quite a unit. He then asked, How much did you pay for it? Ten thousand dollars. Wow, that's a lot, even for a MINT BLACK PENTAX SPOTMATIC, the guy who sold you that must have seen you coming! Now, what's the point of all this? Because of his acquisitionof a Mint Black Pentax Spotmatic, the Pope regained infallibility afterwards... --
Re: Orgin Myths
Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't find his post a problem, it did highlight the truth, it just serves to highlight the fact that not all photographers need to shoot 20 rolls of film @ 10fps using an USM IS 800f2.8 lens during a football game to achieve their artistic goals :-) ITYM autoerotic goals -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com Photorgaphy and writing
Re: FA50 f1.4 quality
Michael Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found the FA 50 f/1.4 manual focus to be very good. The focus is smooth, with a nice amount of resistance. The manual focus is definitely not sloppy (which perfectly describes my Nikon 50mm f/1.8). I couldn't agree more (for both the statements... I own a Nikon 50/1.8 and is terrible in this regard). The manual focusing of the FA 50/1.4 is among the best for an AF lens. I recently bought the FA 50 f/1.4, and was a little disappointed in the sharpness in the wider apertures. I may have just had a bad sample. I am considering trying another sample or maybe the FA 50 f/1.7 or the 43mm Limited. Now I cannot really agree. My sample is very good, even wide open. Not extremely sharp, of course, but better than my other 50/1.4 (a couple of M series and a K series). Ciao, Gianfranco = __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com
Re: Orgin Myths
in general, the ones with one or more glass elements work best (a computer usually works better when its power switch in ON position :) mishka - Original Message - From: Michael Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 8:43 PM Subject: Re: Orgin Myths I'm 37 and, believe it or not, I am just starting out with Pentax. As far as I know a Spotmatic is a washing machine. I just bought a ZX-L body. Now I just need one of you PDMLer's to tell which prime lens I ought to buy first for people photography. Michael Cross
Re: Orgin Myths
- Original Message - From: Lukasz Kacperczyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:52 AM Subject: RE: Orgin Myths By the way, I seem to be really young here :) Everyone is talking about Pentax cameras I never heard nor seen. I'm 27, anyone here around that age or am I hangin' with a bunch of old farts? :) Just my age, 27 years and 384 months :~) Bob
Re: Orgin Myths
Last woman I dated was 27. A middle aged guy's dream! Never could understand it. Young, beautiful, smart. But, who was I to argue? :-) -frank £ukasz Kacperczyk wrote: Hell, you're older than the last woman I was dating. ;) And isn't that what really counts? :-) Lukasz -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: OT: The Popes Camera (Hopefully this wont offend...)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This story offends me. I never expected to see anything like this on PDML. Jim, I'm with you. It's totally inappropriate and in poor taste. Regards, Bob S.
Re: OT: The Popes Camera (Hopefully this wont offend...)
Hence the OT and warning that it might offend. :) chris On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Jim Apilado wrote: This story offends me. I never expected to see anything like this on PDML. Jim A. From: andre [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:02:49 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: The Popes Camera (Hopefully this wont offend...) Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:05:54 -0400 I understand he acquired a Pentax camera, so I corrected the story... 'The Popes Camera ' A fellow was visiting the Vatican and became separated from his tour group. After wandering for awhile, he needed to relieve himself. He finally found a bathroom and wandered in. You can imagine his surprise to discover the Pope sitting on the toilet masturbating. Figuring that this was an attraction few tourists ever saw, he snapped a couple of pictures. The Pope managed to recover his composure and offered the fellow $10,000 for the PENTAX camera. The fellow decide to take him up on the offer and an exchange was arranged. The MINT BLACK PENTAX SPOTMATIC camera was a pretty nice unit, so after disposing of the film, the Pope decided he would use it on his world travels. One day while visiting a foreign country, a faithful follower noticed the Pope's PENTAX camera and remarked that it was quite a unit. He then asked, How much did you pay for it? Ten thousand dollars. Wow, that's a lot, even for a MINT BLACK PENTAX SPOTMATIC, the guy who sold you that must have seen you coming! Now, what's the point of all this? Because of his acquisitionof a Mint Black Pentax Spotmatic, the Pope regained infallibility afterwards... --
Re: OT: The Popes Camera (Hopefully this wont offend...)
Well... I have to admit that it doesn't offend me personally. But I did cringe when I read it, because I agree that this isn't an appropriate forum. For such a wide general audience, one is sure to offend Catholics and those who find sexual humour to be distasteful. Enough said from me. Last post on this thread. regards, frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This story offends me. I never expected to see anything like this on PDML. Jim, I'm with you. It's totally inappropriate and in poor taste. Regards, Bob S. -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: OT: The Popes Camera (Hopefully this wont offend...)
Did anyone notice that regardless of how highly offended he was, he nevertheless copied the _entire_ message again!? What's wrong with that picture? keith Chris Brogden wrote: Hence the OT and warning that it might offend. :) chris On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Jim Apilado wrote: This story offends me. I never expected to see anything like this on PDML. Jim A. From: andre [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:02:49 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: The Popes Camera (Hopefully this wont offend...) Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:05:54 -0400 I understand he acquired a Pentax camera, so I corrected the story... 'The Popes Camera ' = offensive parts snipped =
Re: Orgin Myths
Bruce, I like to shoot candids and portraits. Everything from environmental portraits to headshots, and even some sports action. I am considering the following lenses: FA 35 f/2, 43 Limited, FA 50 f/1.4, FA 50 f/1.7, 77mm Limited, 85mm f/1.4 and 135mm f/2.8. Michael Bruce Dayton wrote: Michael, By people do you mean portraits or street style photography? Generally, any of the portrait lenses from Pentax are great (85mm or 77 limited). If you are shooting street, I cannot give best advice but have heard the 35mm's are good. I have the FA 35/2 and think it is a wonderful lens as is the 43 limited. I prefer either focal length to a standard 50mm. Clarify a bit more, and we'll try to help you out. Bruce Dayton (mid aged fart - 43 four days ago) Monday, September 9, 2002, 5:43:23 PM, you wrote: MC I'm 37 and, believe it or not, I am just starting out with Pentax. As far as I MC know a Spotmatic is a washing machine. MC I just bought a ZX-L body. Now I just need one of you PDMLer's to tell which MC prime lens I ought to buy first for people photography. MC Michael Cross MC Tom Sapienza wrote: By the way, I seem to be really young here :) Everyone is talking about Pentax cameras I never heard nor seen. I'm 27, anyone here around that age or am I hangin' with a bunch of old farts? :) I'm new here, but I can make you feel a bit older -- I'm 24. Though when I talk Pentax, I tend to stick to the mid-80s and before ... all these new ones are cameras I've never heard nor seen. :) Tom Sapienza
RE: Orgin Myths
Brad, why do you feel that Pentax need to compete somewhat with Nikon or Canon so I can use it in the future. If Pentax equipment suits you and you can take the pictures you need, what's the big deal? Are you afraid of being thought less of a photographer because you're not using these other brands? Rob Studdert said it well when he said not all photographers need to shoot 20 rolls of film @ 10fps using an USM IS 800f2.8 lens during a football game to achieve their artistic goals I'm more than happy to be seen with Pentax over my shoulder - it's good gear and most of it is not expensive (although there are some on this list who always seem to want it cheaper, no matter what the price!) And if you think it's hard to get stuff in Toronto, try living in Australia, where the main distributor always tries to sell kits with Sigma lens instead of genuine Pentax, and almost never does any advertising. Just about anything except kits will have to be ordered from Japan here too. John Coyle (Just turned 63, but doesn't think he's an old fart) Brisbane, Australia On Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:30 AM, Brad Dobo [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: I have a comment to make that I hope will not rile anyone. As I said in my email of Origin Myths, I started by borrowing a Pentax SLR (A3000), and just sort of naturally went to it because I was more familiar with their system I first bought the MZ-5n, fine camera, but got the crappy 28-80 that came as a kit. I added the PZ-10 used because it was cheap and I wanted another camera with B/W film in it. I recently got some cash, went out and got the MZ-S with grip, remote, FA100 2.8 Macro and made a silly decision by selling my F 50mm 1.7 to get the FA 50mm 1.4 :) All that said, it now, it fits my needs, I have no problems with the equipment. I wish they had that little 'iris' that closes the finder instead of slapping on and off the finder cap in certain situations but oh well. I like the cost. What I really don't like is how hard it is to get anything where I live. Pentax in Toronto area always seems to be out of whatever I want and it gets shipped by boat from Japan. I ordered the longer cable release 3 weeks ago and was told it may be a couple more weeks. Sillyness. (Btw, can anyone tell me why they changed the remote cord for the MZ-S?) I can't and won't use any online stores, as they are all American (and I'm a Canuck). Anyhow, ya, I'll stick with Pentax (unless they introduce lenses that are not FULLY compatible with my MZ-S or MZ-5n.) Ah hell, I'll stick with them because I would lose a lot of money that I don't have to switch to another brand. But come time when I'm not a student and have a good steady income, I know I'll re- evaluate my Pentax loyality. I like and enjoy my stuff, I hope they at least compete somewhat with Nikon or Canon so I can use it in the future. By the way, I seem to be really young here :) Everyone is talking about Pentax cameras I never heard nor seen. I'm 27, anyone here around that age or am I hangin' with a bunch of old farts? :) Yours cheerfully, Brad Dobo
Re: Orgin Myths
On 9 Sep 2002 at 20:30, Brad Dobo wrote: (Btw, can anyone tell me why they changed the remote cord for the MZ-S?) I'm not sure however I guess that may have been changed since it's a new design of interface (possibly allowing two way serial communication). I can't and won't use any online stores, as they are all American (and I'm a Canuck). What's the problem with dealing with US on-line stores? I ask because I'm located in Australia and I regularly deal with many US vendors. Anyhow, ya, I'll stick with Pentax (unless they introduce lenses that are not FULLY compatible with my MZ-S or MZ-5n.) Ah hell, I'll stick with them because I would lose a lot of money that I don't have to switch to another brand. What other brand would be fully compatible with new Pentax lenses? :-) But come time when I'm not a student and have a good steady income, I know I'll re-evaluate my Pentax loyality. I like and enjoy my stuff, I hope they at least compete somewhat with Nikon or Canon so I can use it in the future. They have no competition from Nikon or Canon in several areas. By the way, I seem to be really young here :) Everyone is talking about Pentax cameras I never heard nor seen. I'm 27, anyone here around that age or am I hangin' with a bunch of old farts? :) Sorry dude, I would have put you in the old fart cat :-) I've got 10 years on ya. Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
ZX5-N Lens
I have a new-to-me ZX-5N. It came with the Tamron 1:3.5 - 5.6 28-80 zoom. I have been reading the posts about the Sigma 28-135 and am wondering if this is a superior lens to the Tamron. I want to keep an AF zoom to go with some MF prime lenses. I am mainly interested in the zoom lens for some action shots and family pictures. I like the ZX-5N and would like the best zoom. Any suggestions as to what I should be using?
Re: Orgin Myths
Starting with a Brownie Hawkeye some time before my tenth year and progressing through an Argus or two and a Petri, I found myself in 1968 about to undertake monthly trips to Europe for a few years. I thought an slr with a lens or two (decided on a 28mm and 135 mm (with a 2x TC) which I still use) would be great to record these adventures. After reviewing the field that I could afford, I was finally swayed by the Honeywell name to purchase a Spotmatic (?). This camera served me well until it was stolen in Sydney in '74. A few days later while in Melbourne I picked up a Spotmatic F which worked flawlessly until 2000. A CLA here in the New York area -- Iwas quite surprised at the good service on such an old camera -- and it continues to work just fine. At that time, I decided to back up the F and picked up a mint ES II (with 50mm f1.4 SMCT) and right after that a mint 100 mm SMCT macro, a macro flash, and a mint SMCT 300mm --- items I'd always wanted but figured I'd never find. That is until I discovered e-bay. That was the end of that wish list. Well maybe a 24mm SMCT .. Then after all the digital static on this channel, I decided to give that technology a try. I laid out my requirement and then put together a 3MP N*k*n digital camera system, which has turned out to be a great learning experience , that is more than adequate for my work -- using an external flash, otherwise not.. However, the Spotmatic F and ES II still travel with me for special situations and are used quite a lot during leisure travel. Until I moved back to NJ in '85, all my film was slides. After than 25% slides, with the photos being for work and the families photo collection. For the future, I'll probably pick up an MZ-S (starting to need the AE and AF a little more now) and another digital -- for back up of course. Can't see beyond that. Mike Ignatiev wrote: Because one rarely hears my dad left me his Leica M6 (Contax/Hasselblad/...), and that's what I am still using :) Seriously, it's much more interesting to hear why people made a *conscious* decision to use one or another kind of equipment (as oposed to having inherited it). But I was wrong in my initial judgement -- seems like lots of people here did make that choice, and I saw some very good reasons. Now if only someone from Pentax marketing were listening... Best, Mishka -Original Message- From: Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 13:26:50 -0400 Subject: Re: Orgin Myths Why is this depressing? The four main 35 mm SLR makers all make good equipment, and people tend to stay with what they are used to. I find it hard to believe that many people would systematically try all four majors brands (plus maybe Contax, etc.) to actually make a decision. If someone actually gave me equipment, I'd be a Nikon or Canon user. The idea that Pentax is so obviously better that anyone that doesn't use one is either wicked or stupid just doesn't hold up. This also applies to Nikon and Canon. Most of their dominance is due to marketing, promotions, and making sure the right people were happy. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Orgin Myths - Proof Of Frank :)
http://www.chang-sang.com/photos/frankie_teen.jpg As we used to say in math class: point proven Q.E.D. :) Cheers, Dave P.S. LX, 35-105 SMC-A at about 100, f5.6, portra 400 VC -Original Message- From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 8:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Orgin Myths Can't speak for anyone else, but in my case, old fart! Mind you, I don't understand the term, because I think I farted just as much when I wuz younger. None of anyone's business, of course, but I'm 45 - 46 in less than a month. But as you'll see when Paul Jones ever gets his Pentaxian Self Portrait Gallery up (how's it going, Paul?), I'm the most immature 45 year old around. regards, frank Brad Dobo wrote: I'm 27, anyone here around that age or am I hangin' with a bunch of old farts? :) -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
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Hey, Well first off, glad I didn't rile anyone, and now I know who's the old farts and who isn't! :) As to John's comments, Canon and Nikon have some really smart features, I only wish Pentax would pick up on these so maybe 'compete' is not the right word. The people at Pentax are odd, like making a new flagship camera and lowering the shutter speed (ya ya, I know it's rarely used) but still. I like to be different, and it seems that in photography, I am. In fact, at my local top camera shop, when I'm in all the time buying little stuff (not Pentax) all the staff know my name and that I'm that 'Pentax Guy'. It's kinda cool. When I ordered the cable release (3 weeks and counting) for my MZ-S, Maggie, who I was talking to, asked me if it was for my MZ-5n or my MZ-S. I like that. I guess we are all left wanting in some regard with the equipment we use (or at least I am) I'd like some of the Canon and Nikon features, the switch to block the viewfinder is nice, as I do lots of night work and macro. Or Canon's (and Nikon?) top model has a 100% viewfinder, not the standard? 92%. It's just little things like that. As I said before, my only real problem is that it is a severe pain in the ass to get Pentax equipment when I want it. I am a bit vain, I'll admit to that. One smaller reason I got the MZ-S was the cool all black paintjob (even the plastic hotshoe cover had the same paint design). I'm not a pro, but wanna sorta look the part sometimes. (helps to get on the tops of downtown highrise building for shots!) And ya, people do notice you with Pentax equipment and remark that it looks great, that they didn't know Pentax had/have/did that sort of thing. So I take some pride in my equipment. Ok, hope that doesn't stir up anything else, and I'm tired of typing! Brad Dobo - Original Message - From: John Coyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 9:33 PM Subject: RE: Orgin Myths Brad, why do you feel that Pentax need to compete somewhat with Nikon or Canon so I can use it in the future. If Pentax equipment suits you and you can take the pictures you need, what's the big deal? Are you afraid of being thought less of a photographer because you're not using these other brands?
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At least I'm holding a Pentax!! -frank David Chang-Sang wrote: http://www.chang-sang.com/photos/frankie_teen.jpg As we used to say in math class: point proven Q.E.D. :) Cheers, Dave P.S. LX, 35-105 SMC-A at about 100, f5.6, portra 400 VC -Original Message- From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 8:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Orgin Myths Can't speak for anyone else, but in my case, old fart! Mind you, I don't understand the term, because I think I farted just as much when I wuz younger. None of anyone's business, of course, but I'm 45 - 46 in less than a month. But as you'll see when Paul Jones ever gets his Pentaxian Self Portrait Gallery up (how's it going, Paul?), I'm the most immature 45 year old around. regards, frank Brad Dobo wrote: I'm 27, anyone here around that age or am I hangin' with a bunch of old farts? :) -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
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Just to be pedantic the tripod's actually holding the Pentax. At 09:38 PM 9/9/2002 -0400, you wrote: At least I'm holding a Pentax!! -frank David Chang-Sang wrote: http://www.chang-sang.com/photos/frankie_teen.jpg As we used to say in math class: point proven Q.E.D. :) Cheers, Dave P.S. LX, 35-105 SMC-A at about 100, f5.6, portra 400 VC -Original Message- From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 8:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Orgin Myths Can't speak for anyone else, but in my case, old fart! Mind you, I don't understand the term, because I think I farted just as much when I wuz younger. None of anyone's business, of course, but I'm 45 - 46 in less than a month. But as you'll see when Paul Jones ever gets his Pentaxian Self Portrait Gallery up (how's it going, Paul?), I'm the most immature 45 year old around. regards, frank Brad Dobo wrote: I'm 27, anyone here around that age or am I hangin' with a bunch of old farts? :) -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
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To be even more pedantic, it's a monopod! vbg -frank Peter Alling wrote: Just to be pedantic the tripod's actually holding the Pentax. At 09:38 PM 9/9/2002 -0400, you wrote: At least I'm holding a Pentax!! -frank David Chang-Sang wrote: http://www.chang-sang.com/photos/frankie_teen.jpg As we used to say in math class: point proven Q.E.D. :) Cheers, Dave P.S. LX, 35-105 SMC-A at about 100, f5.6, portra 400 VC -Original Message- From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 8:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Orgin Myths Can't speak for anyone else, but in my case, old fart! Mind you, I don't understand the term, because I think I farted just as much when I wuz younger. None of anyone's business, of course, but I'm 45 - 46 in less than a month. But as you'll see when Paul Jones ever gets his Pentaxian Self Portrait Gallery up (how's it going, Paul?), I'm the most immature 45 year old around. regards, frank Brad Dobo wrote: I'm 27, anyone here around that age or am I hangin' with a bunch of old farts? :) -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
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- Original Message - From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 9:39 PM Subject: Re: Orgin Myths On 9 Sep 2002 at 20:30, Brad Dobo wrote: (Btw, can anyone tell me why they changed the remote cord for the MZ-S?) I'm not sure however I guess that may have been changed since it's a new design of interface (possibly allowing two way serial communication). You are right, didn't think of that, they have that release timer switch (TS-110) now. I can't and won't use any online stores, as they are all American (and I'm a Canuck). What's the problem with dealing with US on-line stores? I ask because I'm located in Australia and I regularly deal with many US vendors. Canada's dollar is crappy for one, and I don't like making large purchases via the Internet. Anyhow, ya, I'll stick with Pentax (unless they introduce lenses that are not FULLY compatible with my MZ-S or MZ-5n.) Ah hell, I'll stick with them because I would lose a lot of money that I don't have to switch to another brand. What other brand would be fully compatible with new Pentax lenses? :-) My dad's old Petri? :) But come time when I'm not a student and have a good steady income, I know I'll re-evaluate my Pentax loyality. I like and enjoy my stuff, I hope they at least compete somewhat with Nikon or Canon so I can use it in the future. They have no competition from Nikon or Canon in several areas. True. And besides lenses for cameras, they also have Nikon and Canon fans saying at my shop the best loupe is Pentax, not Nikon or Canon. By the way, I seem to be really young here :) Everyone is talking about Pentax cameras I never heard nor seen. I'm 27, anyone here around that age or am I hangin' with a bunch of old farts? :) Sorry dude, I would have put you in the old fart cat :-) I've got 10 years on ya. BAH! My parents think I'm still 18 :) Regards, Brad Dobo
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My reasons for using/staying with Pentax: GREAT lenses. From the K15/1.5 to the FA*80-200/2.8. The Limited lenses are in a class by themselves. The best forward and backward compatibility: I can use my ancient K15/3.5 with my MZ-S and my FA*80-200 with my old K2. (In fact, I've used both these combinations in the past few weeks.) Best value for money. Nothing anywhere near the price can touch the MZ-S (IMHO). But another reason is you lot: The PDML. Helpful, friendly and unpretentious. This is the best Internet mailing list I've been on and I've been on quite a few. We have an amazing amount and variety of talent in this group without the inflated egos so common amongst the Canon and Nikon users who haunt rec.photo.equipment.35mm. (Don't even mention the Leica people :-P) We tend, like many photo geeks, to get hung up on discussing hardware; best cameras, best lenses and now best scanners and printers. But it's the software, the human behind the viewfinder, that matters most. And that's where Pentax really wins in my book. -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com Photorgaphy and writing
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Brad Dobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, Well first off, glad I didn't rile anyone, and now I know who's the old farts and who isn't! :) Oh yeah, I forgot to mention in my previous post: I'm an old fart! -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com Photorgaphy and writing
