Re: Pro talk (was Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)
mishka wrote: don't know about f4, but f3 is not sealed, afaik. there's a good reason why lx has a lens between the screen anf the finder. i suspect it's a lot more difficult to make interchangeable screens f3-style, that would also keep the camera sealed. Mishka, The F4 has better sealing than the F3, as you would expect, but it still uses the exact same system for changing the focusing screens. John
Re: ouch
Wedding Shooting Survival tip #4: Don't bother taking pictures of people eating and drinking during the Cocktail Hour. Scarf as mych finger food as you can. Drink plenty of liquids (non-alhoholic). This will tide you over until dinner is served, or keep you going if there is little or no dinner. BR Juey Chong Ong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whew! That's grueling! When I shot a wedding some time ago in Brooklyn, we went from the bride's house to the church, to Coney Island and then to the reception hall. The caterer served the wedding party a light meal before the reception and I got to join in. I wasn't smart enough to include something like this in the contract, but I think the couple knew to plan for it knowing that no one would have had any lunch. __ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455
Re: Good day at the races
Sounds great Vic.Hopefully you'll post a few for us.:) Looks like some of the TOPDMLers were busy this weekend,I was doing the horsey thing again.Had a financially good Sunday. Vacation day to day and the sun is out,so bag o cameras are in the truck.vbg Dave Just a note to tell everyone what a good day I had. Actually I should not say that until I get the results back but: Went out to shoot the Canadian cycle championship throught the streets of Hamilton, Ont. Canada today. Used an LX with winder, PZ1 and MZ-S. The LX was loaded with 200 ektachrome, the PZ1 Fuji Velvia and the MZ-S with a 400 print film... Burned some film, good light and I think some good possibilities. As far as lenses, I used the 20A2.8, Tokina ATX 28-70, and 70-200 FA4... and on the LX I used the 100 2.8 most of the time.. Looking forward to seeing the results. Vic The Worlds are coming in October and look forward to shooting that as well...
Re: Pro talk (was Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)
Hello, sealing or not - I've always been quite happy with the Pentax way, because the cost of screens mostly has been about 1/2 to 1/3 compared to Nikon. Also, I've done a lot of work with the F4, and I would not say it's easier there to change screens, just different! (Or the other way round: It's not more difficult to change screens on the LX if you are used to it...) If you have to do your shooting at construction sites, at welding pipelines etcyou think twice, which screen you will need and you'll do the change at home. I would avoid changing screens in the field, regardless of being it the Pentax or the Nikon-way. So, why should I pay for a new condenser lens each time I only need a different screen? :-) Thomas whickersworld schrieb: mishka wrote: don't know about f4, but f3 is not sealed, afaik. there's a good reason why lx has a lens between the screen anf the finder. i suspect it's a lot more difficult to make interchangeable screens f3-style, that would also keep the camera sealed. Mishka, The F4 has better sealing than the F3, as you would expect, but it still uses the exact same system for changing the focusing screens. John
Re: Good day at the races
Will do Frank: Maybe even later today if I get prints back in time... Vic You know what, a TOPDML for the worlds is an excellent idea... In a message dated 6/29/03 8:04:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Damn you, Vic! I wish I could have gone. I know a few guys on the Jet Fuel Team (didja see any of them there?). I think Andrew (don't know his last name) won something big last year - I wonder how he did this year? Anyway, all the Jet Fuel guys were going in a couple of cars, but there was no extra room, so I couldn't tag along. I'll definitely be at the Worlds in October. Now ~that~ sounds like a TOPDML excursion - we could hook up with ya! Make sure you post the pics once you get them developed. Can't wait! cheers, frank
Re: freedom-schmeedom
frank theriault wrote: Honestly, Keith, You're full of crap. -frank Thank you for the assessment. Not to worry. We've taken it offline, to avoid further damaging your sensibilities. keith Keith Whaley wrote: One has absolutely NOTHING to do with the other. Two entirely separate situations. No-one is trying to impress you. Get over it.
eyecups
I am looking for a good eyecup for the mz-s (and zx-5n) - one that really blocks the light. Anyone know where i can get one? s/
Re: ouch
- Original Message - From: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 1:42 PM Subject: RE: ouch You might get in touch with Jessica about being an assistant. Then you could bill for entertainment as well as photography if she does her belly dance. :-) Bill
Re: freedom-schmeedom
There are places on this earth where even this discussion of photography is viewed as threatening to a particular world view. To participate and promote even this open discussion is an extrapolation from the freedoms that the West has created, unlike any other in history. Even with the very evident flaws (both systematic and personal) the expansion of freedom continues. What's the solution? That's outside the venue of this group. Enjoy the July gallery. Collin mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .
Re: freedom-schmeedom
Well and accurately said, Collin... keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are places on this earth where even this discussion of photography is viewed as threatening to a particular world view. To participate and promote even this open discussion is an extrapolation from the freedoms that the West has created, unlike any other in history. Even with the very evident flaws (both systematic and personal) the expansion of freedom continues. What's the solution? That's outside the venue of this group. Enjoy the July gallery. Collin
RE: How's Adorama For Used Equip?
Hi David, ...I'm eyeing some equipment from Adorama and I'd like to know how they are with their used department. Has anyone bought used from Adorama? Has anyone in Canada bought used from Adorama? Unfortunately I haven't bought anything from Adorama myself, and the group here doesn't seem to respond to questions like this. I'm not sure if the reason for the lack of response is: a) no one on the list has bought used equipment from Adorama, so they cannot say... b) the performance of used equipment dealers is so inconsistent that any comment is useless... c) they think you can answer the question yourself by searching the archives (Good Luck!)... d) it's way more fun to argue endlessly about the *ist lens mount than help another Pentax user acquire equipment... e) folks don't want the responsibility of saying a vendor is good or bad... Some mostly useless observations of mine: KEH (who I have bought equipment from) seems to have the most conservative quality rankings. It seems that if they say something is like new they mean it works like new, not just looks like new. Some comments folks have made about Adorama might lead one to think that Adorama cares more about how the equipment looks than operates. But one the other hand, even the Adorama detractors said they had their equipment brought up to snuff at Adorama's expense. And perhaps my good KEH experiences have been coincidence or luck rather than demonstrating how much better they are than Adorama. Overall the big three in the used market seem to be KEH, Adorama and BH Photo. They seem to be ranked by most in that order. I think Adorama gets a lot of credit for helping host photo.net, but I don't know if that makes them better. I hope this helps, and I hope some others respond as well! - THaller
Re: freedom-schmeedom
I've stayed out of this until now but I'll add my voice to the disapproval. Just shut up. At 12:11 AM 6/30/03 -0400, you wrote: look, when bob posted message about his son, along with his remarks about what people deserve what, i just passed him and his son my sympathy. that's it. no political bullshit -- i understand how his upset, i definitely wouldn't want to be in his shoes. but there's only so much singing, about how great liberators we all are, i can take in one day. sorry, i fell for a troll. so let's go over it, shall we? mishka Bob's son Aaron is lying in a hospital somewhere, wondering if he's going to lose a foot, and you guys get into this discussion. Shame on both of you! I'm not impressed. This really ain't the time... -frank To grasp the true meaning of socialism, imagine a world where everything is designed by the post office, even the sleaze. O'Rourke, P.J.
RE: How's Adorama For Used Equip?
...I'm eyeing some equipment from Adorama and I'd like to know how they are with their used department. Has anyone bought used from Adorama? Has anyone in Canada bought used from Adorama? Sorry I missed this question on Saturday. My husband and I have both bought used from Adorama, and we've always had good experiences. We have a Ricoh k-mount body, a 400mm lens, and a few filters that we bought used there. These items have always been in clean, usable condition with no scratches on the glass. Of course everyone's experience is different, but we've always had good luck there and will continue to buy both new and used from them. Hth, Amita
RE: How's Adorama For Used Equip?
On Mon, 30 Jun 2003, Thomas Haller wrote: Unfortunately I haven't bought anything from Adorama myself, and the group here doesn't seem to respond to questions like this. I've jsut been ignoring the list, lately. a) no one on the list has bought used equipment from Adorama, so they cannot say... I've bought much of my gear from Adorama, used and new. b) the performance of used equipment dealers is so inconsistent that any comment is useless... Adorama has been consistently good to me. d) it's way more fun to argue endlessly about the *ist lens mount than help another Pentax user acquire equipment... Explains why I haven't paid attention. e) folks don't want the responsibility of saying a vendor is good or bad... That, too. Everyone's expectations are going to be different. Overall the big three in the used market seem to be KEH, Adorama and BH Photo. They seem to be ranked by most in that order. I think Adorama gets a lot of credit for helping host photo.net, but I don't know if that makes them better. Adorama tends to be the cheapest of the three, and have things that KEH and BH don't have because I think less people patrol the Adorama stocks. I will not buy from KEH unless its a darn good offer, I was very unhappy with how they treated me a few years ago. BH is where I often buy new stuff if I split orders with people, they're more familar with it. When I'm buying for me, and me alone, I always goto Adorama first. I hope this helps, and I hope some others respond as well! Shoosh, you. -- http://www.infotainment.org - more fun than a poke in your eye. http://www.eighteenpercent.com- photography and portfolio.
Re: freedom-schmeedom
Better you should have just stayed out of it... [rest snipped before sending] keith Peter Alling wrote: I've stayed out of this until now but I'll add my voice to the disapproval. Just shut up. At 12:11 AM 6/30/03 -0400, you wrote: look, when bob posted message about his son, along with his remarks about what people deserve what, i just passed him and his son my sympathy. that's it. no political bullshit -- i understand how his upset, i definitely wouldn't want to be in his shoes. but there's only so much singing, about how great liberators we all are, i can take in one day. sorry, i fell for a troll. so let's go over it, shall we? mishka Bob's son Aaron is lying in a hospital somewhere, wondering if he's going to lose a foot, and you guys get into this discussion. Shame on both of you! I'm not impressed. This really ain't the time... -frank To grasp the true meaning of socialism, imagine a world where everything is designed by the post office, even the sleaze. O'Rourke, P.J.
RE: How's Adorama For Used Equip?
THaller writes: e) folks don't want the responsibility of saying a vendor is good or bad... I have never had a good experience with Adorama, not once in three attempts. s/
Re: Is the MZ-S only fo amateurs?
A guy wanted me to point him to a wedding photographer. No, I wouldn't do, he wanted a pro, Some one with a big black camera (a direct quote). So, I gave him the name of a friend that used a Crown Graphic. Oh, I already talked to him, he charges too much (another direct quote). So obviously a pro camera is BIG, and BLACK used by someone who charges too much GRIN. Some joking aside, people do generally assume I am a pro when I'm carrying the PZ-1.
Re: Is the MZ-S only fo amateurs?
'ernreed' wrote; John posted: In order to remove unnecessary doubt, 35mm PENTAX is only for amateurs. Don't tell any of my clients this. OK, just as long as you don't tell any of mine either! ;-) Agreed!
OT: Barebones Darkroom
Hey everyone, I ordered a film scanner on the cheap and I would like to put together a pseudo darkroom. I'd like to be able to develop bw film and then scan the neg. into the computer for manipulation. I think all I need is a developing tank and reel? I'm pretty busy right now with summer school so I was hoping someone who's done this could give me a quick summary of what to look for to order. The basic darkroom kits for $80 seem overkill since they include items for making prints along with developing the film. If I'm rambling it's because I haven't slept in a few days so what I would like to find is a list of items to buy just to develop bw film and maybe some recommendations on chem. brand and if that's something better bought locally. Thanks for your help... -Chris - | Chris Comer | |VP of Projects | | UGA Habitat for Humanity| | E-Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | Phone : 706-613-7405 (cell) | -
RE: Barebones Darkroom
-Original Message- From: Christopher Comer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey everyone, I ordered a film scanner on the cheap and I would like to put together a pseudo darkroom. I'd like to be able to develop bw film and then scan the neg. into the computer for manipulation. I think all I need is a developing tank and reel? I'm pretty busy right now with summer school so I was hoping someone who's done this could give me a quick summary of what to look for to order. The basic darkroom kits for $80 seem overkill since they include items for making prints along with developing the film. You'll need - tank - reels (should come with the tank, I like Jobo) - changing bag (If you don't have a *really* dark place to load) - bottles (I use gatorade bottles) - a tub to use as a tempering bath - a thermometer - scissors - a measuring cup or 2 - digital watch or clock with second hand - somewhere and something to hang the film (I use plastic laundry clips in the bathroom) - negative sleeves - chemicals A film extractor is helpful. So is this link to the massive dev chart: http://www.digitaltruth.com/ A good book for this sort of thing is the Film Developing Cookbook by Anchell and Troop. tv
Re: Barebones Darkroom
Get some sleep, then go down to your local library and check out a book on darkroom developing - it will have the list. Maris Christopher Comer wrote: Hey everyone, I ordered a film scanner on the cheap and I would like to put together a pseudo darkroom. I'd like to be able to develop bw film and then scan the neg. into the computer for manipulation. I think all I need is a developing tank and reel? I'm pretty busy right now with summer school so I was hoping someone who's done this could give me a quick summary of what to look for to order. The basic darkroom kits for $80 seem overkill since they include items for making prints along with developing the film. If I'm rambling it's because I haven't slept in a few days so what I would like to find is a list of items to buy just to develop bw film and maybe some recommendations on chem. brand and if that's something better bought locally. Thanks for your help... -Chris - Chris Comer | VP of Projects | UGA Habitat for Humanity| E-Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED]| Phone : 706-613-7405 (cell) | -
A lens question
Hi Gang; Should I be able to operate in Hyper program on a Z-1p with an A set on auto? I could not access it with an A 50/1.7. BUTCH Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself. Hermann Hess (Demian)
The Pentax Lens Look
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Alan, No doubt someone will correct me if I am wrong, but I have always admired the Pentax look which comes from the use of the superb SMC coating. I always thought that SMC Takumar and SMC Pentax lenses had generally *higher* contrast than Nikkors but they appeared slightly less sharp because Nikon lenses tend to have over-corrected spherical aberration. This gave Nikkors great apparent sharpness but lousy bokeh. I like the Pentax 'look' better, however there are a small number of Nikkors that also 'look' good. I hope that doesn't make what I meant less clear than before. ;-) John I was really intrigued by these comments. I wonder if you (or someone) could clarify that. What IS the Pentax look? Meaning the result -- the pictures. And I don't mean flare or lack of it, and/or specifically bokeh, because bokeh discussion is another thread and been there, done that. I mean the contrast, sharpness, and the look. ;-) And do you have examples on the Internet to illustrate what you said about only a few number of Nikors looking as good as Pentax? Marnie aka Doe :-)
Re: Barebones Darkroom
Even easier (film development isn´t any fun anyway); Use colour film (slides or negative), scan in colours, and convert to b/w by setting saturation to zero in Photoshop :-) Otherwise beware: some scanner programs are not good for scanning b/w. For example: Use VueScan in stead of Minoltas software. DagT På mandag, 30. juni 2003, kl. 18:29, skrev tom: -Original Message- From: Christopher Comer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey everyone, I ordered a film scanner on the cheap and I would like to put together a pseudo darkroom. I'd like to be able to develop bw film and then scan the neg. into the computer for manipulation. I think all I need is a developing tank and reel? I'm pretty busy right now with summer school so I was hoping someone who's done this could give me a quick summary of what to look for to order. The basic darkroom kits for $80 seem overkill since they include items for making prints along with developing the film. You'll need - tank - reels (should come with the tank, I like Jobo) - changing bag (If you don't have a *really* dark place to load) - bottles (I use gatorade bottles) - a tub to use as a tempering bath - a thermometer - scissors - a measuring cup or 2 - digital watch or clock with second hand - somewhere and something to hang the film (I use plastic laundry clips in the bathroom) - negative sleeves - chemicals A film extractor is helpful. So is this link to the massive dev chart: http://www.digitaltruth.com/ A good book for this sort of thing is the Film Developing Cookbook by Anchell and Troop. tv
Re: The Pentax Lens Look
In general, Pentax seems to optimize their lenses for picture quality rather than highest resolution or contrast. They also tend to have a more nutral color tone (noticable with slides) than most Japanese lenses which tend to the red side, or German lenses that tend to the blue side. It is interesting to note that this type of optimation does not give the best numbers in magazine lens tests. And, BTW, this was so even before multi-coating (smc) which is kind of like icing on the cake. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 12:58 PM Subject: The Pentax Lens Look [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Alan, No doubt someone will correct me if I am wrong, but I have always admired the Pentax look which comes from the use of the superb SMC coating. I always thought that SMC Takumar and SMC Pentax lenses had generally *higher* contrast than Nikkors but they appeared slightly less sharp because Nikon lenses tend to have over-corrected spherical aberration. This gave Nikkors great apparent sharpness but lousy bokeh. I like the Pentax 'look' better, however there are a small number of Nikkors that also 'look' good. I hope that doesn't make what I meant less clear than before. ;-) John I was really intrigued by these comments. I wonder if you (or someone) could clarify that. What IS the Pentax look? Meaning the result -- the pictures. And I don't mean flare or lack of it, and/or specifically bokeh, because bokeh discussion is another thread and been there, done that. I mean the contrast, sharpness, and the look. ;-) And do you have examples on the Internet to illustrate what you said about only a few number of Nikors looking as good as Pentax? Marnie aka Doe :-)
RE: The Pentax Lens Look
This is the PDML, so it's not like you're going to get an unbiased opinion. People who used to shoot Pentax say that Pentax lenses look flat and lack bite. My personal experience with Pentax/Nikon lenses (24/2.8 (NP), 28/2.8 (NP), 50/1.4 (NP), 50/1.7/1.8, 100/2.8(P), 105/2.5 (N), 200/4 (P) 180/2.8 (N) and 28-105 zooms, is that Nikkors are sharper at large apertures and particularly wide open. Web examples will tell you little or nothing about the subtlies of lenses. You would need identical shots, where the only difference was the lens and then you have to have perfect scans. You really need to look at original slides, on a good light box with a good loupe. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And do you have examples on the Internet to illustrate what you said about only a few number of Nikors looking as good as Pentax? __ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455
Re: OT: Barebones Darkroom
On Mon, 30 Jun 2003, Christopher Comer wrote: I ordered a film scanner on the cheap and I would like to put together a pseudo darkroom. I'd like to be able to develop bw film and then scan the neg. into the computer for manipulation. I think all I need is a developing tank and This is what I've been doing for some time. You need: A tank and reel(s). A measuring cup. A kitchen thermometer. A kitchen timer. A bottle of developer, stop, fixer, and if you're feeling saucy some drying agent (or is it wetting agent? whatever). Some string. Some plastic clothespins. A few extra jugs for pre-mixed chemicals is useful, I keep premade stop, fixer, and the drying (or was that wetting?) agent. I use Sprint Systems Developer (a liquid varient of D76 1:1), Sprint Systems Stop, Sprint Systems Fix (without the hardening agent), and Kodak Photoflo. The chemicals should be available from any mail order outlet or local shop, I've bought them from Adorama before. I prefer stainless steel reels, the single Hewes reel I have is fabulous, and steel tanks over the plastic ones. The jugs I use are now just recycled chemical jugs, but for a time I used simple half gallon jugs which I purchsed from K Mart, along with all the rest of the kitchen items I use. -- http://www.infotainment.org - more fun than a poke in your eye. http://www.eighteenpercent.com- photography and portfolio.
specul- ist -ations
I was thinking more about the ist-series, both film and digital. Related to this speculation is Pentax propensity to enter a field at or near the end. If the ist is entry level and if the 6MP sensor/system is a commodity component and given that Pentax bodies would appear to be built for margin ... then ... a) we'll see a second ist film body to replace the MZ-S. It'll be really nice, but it will be their last and finest. But more importantly ... a) Pentax will have a platform suitable for rotating digital bodies into the mid price class and lowering prices as needed so that ... b) the 6MP body will drop to $300 (or something similarly significant) in 1 year c) they will come out with higher MP in that same mid-class range. But it will take another year for that price point to open up with commodity sensor solutions. d) the cheap DSLR will seriously damage the high-end DPS. (A suitable market position for J lenses???) In other words, I expect Pentax to behave like Pentax. No more, no less. CRB mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .
Re: freedom-schmeedom
Look Keith, usually I'd be on you side. In this case both of you and mishka are off the reservation. All you're doing is pushing each others buttons and not illuminating the argument at all. Especially since it's at the expense of a kid who's been badly hurt doing what he believed in. I didn't see the message that you had taken this off list, good for you, keep it there. Right now I'm agreeing with Frank you should both be ashamed of yourselves. At 08:36 AM 6/30/03 -0700, Keith wrote: Better you should have just stayed out of it... [rest snipped before sending] keith Peter Alling wrote: I've stayed out of this until now but I'll add my voice to the disapproval. Just shut up. At 12:11 AM 6/30/03 -0400, mishka wrote: look, when bob posted message about his son, along with his remarks about what people deserve what, i just passed him and his son my sympathy. that's it. no political bullshit -- i understand how his upset, i definitely wouldn't want to be in his shoes. but there's only so much singing, about how great liberators we all are, i can take in one day. sorry, i fell for a troll. so let's go over it, shall we? mishka Bob's son Aaron is lying in a hospital somewhere, wondering if he's going to lose a foot, and you guys get into this discussion. Shame on both of you! I'm not impressed. This really ain't the time... -frank To grasp the true meaning of socialism, imagine a world where everything is designed by the post office, even the sleaze. O'Rourke, P.J. To grasp the true meaning of socialism, imagine a world where everything is designed by the post office, even the sleaze. O'Rourke, P.J.
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-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 30, 2003 12:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: The Pentax Lens Look [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Alan, No doubt someone will correct me if I am wrong, but I have always admired the Pentax look which comes from the use of the superb SMC coating. I always thought that SMC Takumar and SMC Pentax lenses had generally *higher* contrast than Nikkors but they appeared slightly less sharp because Nikon lenses tend to have over-corrected spherical aberration. This gave Nikkors great apparent sharpness but lousy bokeh. I like the Pentax 'look' better, however there are a small number of Nikkors that also 'look' good. I hope that doesn't make what I meant less clear than before. ;-) John I was really intrigued by these comments. I wonder if you (or someone) could clarify that. What IS the Pentax look? Meaning the result -- the pictures. And I don't mean flare or lack of it, and/or specifically bokeh, because bokeh discussion is another thread and been there, done that. I mean the contrast, sharpness, and the look. ;-) And do you have examples on the Internet to illustrate what you said about only a few number of Nikors looking as good as Pentax? Marnie aka Doe :-)
Re: The Pentax Lens Look
If anyone wants to know why different lenses have different looks (with more than over generalized, comments like, over corrected spherical aberations), then read this book: Leica M-Lenses, Their Soul and Secrets, by Erwin Puts http://www.leica-camera.com/imperia/md/content/pdf/msystem/49.pdf BR __ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455
Re: OT: Barebones Darkroom
What you need, 1) Developing tank with reels, (or reel). I'm partial to stainless steel they're a bit more difficult to learn to use but you'll never find yourself with film binding because there's moisture or crud in the channels. 2.) A couple of graduated cylinders to measure chemicals. I have two one for small volumes one for (relatively), large volumes. The one's I'm currently using are plastic made by Paterson. 3.) Get a decent lab thermometer. Temperatures don't have to be exact but they have to be close. 4.) Timer, a watch with a second hand, kitchen timer, doesn't matter as long as it's relatively accurate. 5.) Jars to hold working chemicals, I've been using some old Mason Canning Jars. 6.) Something to hold the film while it's drying. I've found nothing better than simple clothespins use one to clip the top of the film to a thin metal or wooden rod, string, anything that will hold the weight and clip another to the free end so that the film will hang straight. You can spend a lot of money on this stuff but it's not strictly necessary. You can store your negatives in chemically inert sleeves but envelopes will do in pinch, and I've got 20 year old negatives that have shown no ill effects from that. Beyond that anything else is extra. At 12:03 PM 6/30/03 -0400, you wrote: Hey everyone, I ordered a film scanner on the cheap and I would like to put together a pseudo darkroom. I'd like to be able to develop bw film and then scan the neg. into the computer for manipulation. I think all I need is a developing tank and reel? I'm pretty busy right now with summer school so I was hoping someone who's done this could give me a quick summary of what to look for to order. The basic darkroom kits for $80 seem overkill since they include items for making prints along with developing the film. If I'm rambling it's because I haven't slept in a few days so what I would like to find is a list of items to buy just to develop bw film and maybe some recommendations on chem. brand and if that's something better bought locally. Thanks for your help... -Chris - | Chris Comer | |VP of Projects | | UGA Habitat for Humanity| | E-Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | Phone : 706-613-7405 (cell) | - To grasp the true meaning of socialism, imagine a world where everything is designed by the post office, even the sleaze. O'Rourke, P.J.
RE: How's Adorama For Used Equip?
i have bought some used stuff from them. their ratings are pretty much what they say -- if it's ex-, it's not ex and you'll notice that, which may not be the case with keh. i had no disappointments so far. they have been helpful over the phone whenever i had questions/problems, and there's a generous return policy too. mishka ...I'm eyeing some equipment from Adorama and I'd like to know how they are with their used department. Has anyone bought used from Adorama? Has anyone in Canada bought used from Adorama?
OT: The end of history
Hi, there's an article in today's Independent which discusses the problems of long-term digital storage, a thread which pops up here with some regularity: http://news.independent.co.uk/digital/features/story.jsp?story=420334 Cheers, Bob
Re: A lens question
Hi, Butch. A few guesses here, but I expect you have thouht of all of them already: If the HyP was not available and the P program was, I'd say it's probably just the on switch that hasn't quite reached the proper position. ;-) Dirty contacts on the lens? Sticky aperture ring? Jostein - Original Message - From: Butch Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 6:52 PM Subject: A lens question Hi Gang; Should I be able to operate in Hyper program on a Z-1p with an A set on auto? I could not access it with an A 50/1.7. BUTCH Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself. Hermann Hess (Demian)
Re: OT: Barebones Darkroom
6.) Something to hold the film while it's drying. I've found nothing better than simple clothespins use one to clip the top of the film to a thin metal or wooden rod, string, anything that will hold the weight and clip another to the free end so that the film will hang straight. I use coat hangers on the shower curtain pole, and wooden clothes pins. Bill
Re: How's Adorama For Used Equip?
Hi, Monday, June 30, 2003, 4:11:07 PM, you wrote: Hi David, ...I'm eyeing some equipment from Adorama and I'd like to know how they are with their used department. Has anyone bought used from Adorama? Has anyone in Canada bought used from Adorama? Unfortunately I haven't bought anything from Adorama myself, and the group here doesn't seem to respond to questions like this. I'm not sure if the reason for the lack of response is: a) no one on the list has bought used equipment from Adorama, so they cannot say... I recently ordered some new equipment from them which is not available in Europe, as far as I could tell. Their price was very good. Unlike BH they don't ask for DNA fingerprints for the last 12 generations of my family before they'll take a non-US Visa card. The guy dealing with the order was very prompt in clearing up some minor questions, and the stuff was dispatched quickly. Due to the vagaries of trans-Atlantic banana boats it hasn't got here yet, but Adorama seem to have kept to their part of the deal so far. -- Cheers, Bobmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Vertical creep...
Does anyone know if Slik still sells a tripod that can prevent vertical creep when shooting with a long tele lens vertically say on an LX or ES II? Jim A.
Re: freedom-schmeedom
Peter Alling wrote: Look Keith, usually I'd be on you side. In this case both of you and mishka are off the reservation. All you're doing is pushing each others buttons and not illuminating the argument at all. This is why I said we've taken it offline. If Miska wants to pursue the subject, right or wrong, I'll happily do so, one on one. If it keeps all you from getting your butts in an uproar over misunderstood verbal meanderings. This place is a real seething nest, isn't it. Haven't figured out it's purpose yet, but I remain properly wary... g Especially since it's at the expense of a kid who's been badly hurt doing what he believed in. This is where we part company. At the _expense_ of the injured military man? How ever do you justify even thinking that way, let alone say it publically? Ask his dad if I sent him a note expressing my sorrow that his son came to be wounded, and that he should regard it as an honorable thing to have happened. There are too few who don't have the guts or patriotism to involve themselves in an effort to keep our country safe and free. Regardless of your personal opinions of the effort the U.S. is involved in, the young man who paid his price for his contribution deserved the highest honor we, as citizens, can give him. I'm personally proud of his effort, and I told his dad that very thing. How can anything I'd said possibly be contrued to be at the serviceman's expense? That's so far off the wall, I remain seriously perplexed at your attitude and lack of understanding... I didn't see the message that you had taken this off list, good for you, keep it there. Right now I'm agreeing with Frank you should both be ashamed of yourselves. I've neither done nor said anything to be ashamed of. Sorry I can't accommodate your skewed feelings of what constitutes rational dialog between two adults who have differing opinions... That you don't want them discussed here on the list, I'll happily accommodate you there! Gladly. Peace be. . .even unto those with whom I disagree. keith At 08:36 AM 6/30/03 -0700, Keith wrote: Better you should have just stayed out of it... [rest snipped before sending] keith Peter Alling wrote: I've stayed out of this until now but I'll add my voice to the disapproval. Just shut up. At 12:11 AM 6/30/03 -0400, mishka wrote: look, when bob posted message about his son, along with his remarks about what people deserve what, i just passed him and his son my sympathy. that's it. no political bullshit -- i understand how his upset, i definitely wouldn't want to be in his shoes. but there's only so much singing, about how great liberators we all are, i can take in one day. sorry, i fell for a troll. so let's go over it, shall we? mishka Bob's son Aaron is lying in a hospital somewhere, wondering if he's going to lose a foot, and you guys get into this discussion. Shame on both of you! I'm not impressed. This really ain't the time... -frank
Re: The Pentax Lens Look
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: This is the PDML, so it's not like you're going to get an unbiased opinion. Well, this the PDML, true, and this is why we've got you in here! *g* Thomas People who used to shoot Pentax say that Pentax lenses look flat and lack bite. My personal experience with Pentax/Nikon lenses (24/2.8 (NP), 28/2.8 (NP), 50/1.4 (NP), 50/1.7/1.8, 100/2.8(P), 105/2.5 (N), 200/4 (P) 180/2.8 (N) and 28-105 zooms, is that Nikkors are sharper at large apertures and particularly wide open. Web examples will tell you little or nothing about the subtlies of lenses. You would need identical shots, where the only difference was the lens and then you have to have perfect scans. You really need to look at original slides, on a good light box with a good loupe. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And do you have examples on the Internet to illustrate what you said about only a few number of Nikors looking as good as Pentax? __ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455
Re: How's Adorama For Used Equip?
...I'm eyeing some equipment from Adorama and I'd like to know how they are with their used department. Has anyone bought used from Adorama? Has anyone in Canada bought used from Adorama? I have. I didn't realise I had until yesterday when I was sorting through some receipts. Reasonable shipping too. They will ship USPS unlike KEH who charge you an arm and a leg to send it via UPS. I bought a used Sigma 70-300 from them. I wasn't disappointed with it. Everything was spot on. I'd buy from them again. Wendy Beard, Ottawa, Canada http://www.beard-redfern.com
Re: A lens question
Butch: I have the A 50/2 and the HYP mode works on it... Maybe check it with other lens, A, FA, F, whatever you have and see what the difference is. --- Joshua Hakin www.hakinphoto.com On Monday, June 30, 2003, at 12:52 PM, Butch Black wrote: Hi Gang; Should I be able to operate in Hyper program on a Z-1p with an A set on auto? I could not access it with an A 50/1.7. BUTCH Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself. Hermann Hess (Demian)
Re: specul- ist -ations
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But more importantly ... a) Pentax will have a platform suitable for rotating digital bodies into the mid price class and lowering prices as needed so that ... b) the 6MP body will drop to $300 (or something similarly significant) in 1 year c) they will come out with higher MP in that same mid-class range. But it will take another year for that price point to open up with commodity sensor solutions. d) the cheap DSLR will seriously damage the high-end DPS. (A suitable market position for J lenses???) One can hope. :-) But I think it's likely, actually. Unless Pentax is stupid enough not to do it (and many on this list keep making comments about how Pentax doesn't do the smart marketing thing). However, they also seem to price lower on the whole, trying to capture the hobbyists and enthusiasts. And because that's their bag. Unless they are changing their bag. Let's hope. But DSLRs are bound to come down price-wise. I was thinking about it the other day. Right now a good DSLR costs as much as a computer, because, let's face it, that is essentially what it is. A dedicated computer just for turning out pictures. Well, computer prices come down because RR improves, factories are set-up to turn out more, and the company wants to sell more to more people. No reason that shouldn't happen with DSLRs as well. OTOH, who knows? We're still at the beginning of digital photography, so hard to predict where it will end up. Marnie aka Doe :-) Well, that's a decisive post.
Re: The end of history
Now here is a related question, what percentage of ancient records remain available today? Another, what is the difference between a written record in a language no one knows, and a computer record in an unknown format? And another, where is all that information that was lost in the year 2000 change over (remember that non-problem)? And yet another, what is the difference between a destroyed piece of paper and a destroyed CD. In fact, commercial, and governmental hard drives are regularly backed up. When new larger ones replace older smaller ones most often they just copy the data onto the new one. When old file cabinets are replaced, quite often the old files are just dumped into boxes and put into damp basements to be forgotten. Which files are more likely to be preserved? Scare mongers will ever be amongst us. Critical data well be preserved. Critical data that was not perceived as critical will be lost. I consider this whole can of worms to be just another Chicken Little Syndrome. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: Bob Walkden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 2:26 PM Subject: OT: The end of history Hi, there's an article in today's Independent which discusses the problems of long-term digital storage, a thread which pops up here with some regularity: http://news.independent.co.uk/digital/features/story.jsp?story=420334 Cheers, Bob
Re: ouch
Theres one wedding photographer here that puts into his contract that a table for him and his assistants is provided. He even states that he gets to eat exactly then same stuff that the guests eat. He insists that you address him as Mr Carver and he gets about 10 grand per wedding minimum just for the photography. He is one of the busiest guys around. Feroze - Original Message - From: Juey Chong Ong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 4:38 AM Subject: Re: ouch On Sunday, June 29, 2003, at 02:56 PM, Bruce Rubenstein wrote: Our contract says, meal will be provided. Caterer alwys says, This drives us nuts: you don't take pictures of people with food hanging out of their mouth (unless they're under 5). I don't know what DC was like yesterday, but it was real warm in NYC. We had a bride's house, church (in Queens), couple shot on the Brooklyn Bridge and reception in NJ. By the time dinner was being served we were hot, tired and dehydrated. We got the standard, First we have to serve the people, and then we'll see whats left. At least one of the video guys (from the Bronx) raised a stink and we got fed. Whew! That's grueling! When I shot a wedding some time ago in Brooklyn, we went from the bride's house to the church, to Coney Island and then to the reception hall. The caterer served the wedding party a light meal before the reception and I got to join in. I wasn't smart enough to include something like this in the contract, but I think the couple knew to plan for it knowing that no one would have had any lunch. --jc
OT: Barebones Darkroom
Don't be cheap and get (stainless) Hewes reels (e.g from Adorama). I have learned the lesson the hard way, ruining a few rolls, complaining to the world how stainless reels suck, then, buying one of these beauties -- and I have never been happier. Loading a Hewes 35mm reel is completely fool-proof. Mishka 1) Developing tank with reels, (or reel). I'm partial to stainless steel they're a bit more difficult to learn to use but you'll never find yourself with film binding because there's moisture or crud in the channels.
Re: ouch
Feroze Kistan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Theres one wedding photographer here that puts into his contract that a table for him and his assistants is provided. He even states that he gets to eat exactly then same stuff that the guests eat. He insists that you address him as Mr Carver and he gets about 10 grand per wedding minimum just for the photography. He is one of the busiest guys around. There ya go, Tom! (You'll have to change your name to Mr. Carver, but other than that it sounds like a plan!) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Got the MZ-S afterall
Just got it today, so I have only been playing and studying a bit, but if you always wondered what an MZ-S with the grip and a nice 77mm Limited in BLACK looks like, see: http://www.dfsee.com/gallery/mz-s-77b.htm I hate you! I can't afford a 77mm Limited, not to say a black one! Or maybe my fiancee wouldn't mind not having a honeymoon... Who knows? I think I'll just wait for my suicidal tendencies to take over my mind once again... ;-) Regards, Lukasz
Re: Vertical creep...
I have an old Tiltall tripod. I do know that Slik had a tripod that featured a small pin that protruded from the base of the mount to prevent vertical creeping. Jim A. From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:28:24 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Vertical creep... Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:30:21 -0400 any particular reason it has to be a Slik? it sounds like your mounting system on the head is your problem. Herb - Original Message - From: Jim Apilado [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 14:46 Subject: Vertical creep... Does anyone know if Slik still sells a tripod that can prevent vertical creep when shooting with a long tele lens vertically say on an LX or ES II? Jim A.
Re: ouch
I remember standing in a long line waiting to get some food at a wedding I was working on. The bridal party were eating their meal, and I was hoping to get something before some more activity took place. Suddenly, I was jerked out of the line by the bride. She got me up to the front of the food line and told everyone that I needed food to keep up my strength. No one objected. I get food at all the weddings I shoot. It's not stated on a contract. The bride or groom know I work hard and deserve some their offerings of food for the guest. Jim A. From: Feroze Kistan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:21:05 +0200 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ouch Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:43:42 -0400 Theres one wedding photographer here that puts into his contract that a table for him and his assistants is provided. He even states that he gets to eat exactly then same stuff that the guests eat. He insists that you address him as Mr Carver and he gets about 10 grand per wedding minimum just for the photography. He is one of the busiest guys around. Feroze - Original Message - From: Juey Chong Ong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 4:38 AM Subject: Re: ouch On Sunday, June 29, 2003, at 02:56 PM, Bruce Rubenstein wrote: Our contract says, meal will be provided. Caterer alwys says, This drives us nuts: you don't take pictures of people with food hanging out of their mouth (unless they're under 5). I don't know what DC was like yesterday, but it was real warm in NYC. We had a bride's house, church (in Queens), couple shot on the Brooklyn Bridge and reception in NJ. By the time dinner was being served we were hot, tired and dehydrated. We got the standard, First we have to serve the people, and then we'll see whats left. At least one of the video guys (from the Bronx) raised a stink and we got fed. Whew! That's grueling! When I shot a wedding some time ago in Brooklyn, we went from the bride's house to the church, to Coney Island and then to the reception hall. The caterer served the wedding party a light meal before the reception and I got to join in. I wasn't smart enough to include something like this in the contract, but I think the couple knew to plan for it knowing that no one would have had any lunch. --jc
Re: specul- ist -ations
really? RR 8-) Herb - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 16:36 Subject: Re: specul- ist -ations Well, computer prices come down because RR improves, factories are set-up to turn out more, and the company wants to sell more to more people.
Cutting roll of film
I have an uncut roll of film that I want to scan, but of course my scanner will only take a strip of 6 frames maximum. How can I best cut it into sections, without damage to the film? Maris
give it a rest (was Re: freedom-schmeedom)
althought i had an argument with keith, i do agree with him here: no one made any comments at the kids expense, you might want to re-read the messages. this kind of accusations is waaay overboard! now *you* are trying to push the buttons. we have dropped the public dicussion here yesterday, so what exactly are you trying to accomplish now, bringing it up here again? mishka From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: freedom-schmeedom Peter Alling wrote: Look Keith, usually I'd be on you side. In this case both of you and mishka are off the reservation. All you're doing is pushing each others buttons and not illuminating the argument at all. This is why I said we've taken it offline. If Miska wants to pursue the subject, right or wrong, I'll happily do so, one on one. If it keeps all you from getting your butts in an uproar over misunderstood verbal meanderings. This place is a real seething nest, isn't it. Haven't figured out it's purpose yet, but I remain properly wary... g Especially since it's at the expense of a kid who's been badly hurt doing what he believed in.
Re: A lens question
At 12:52 PM 6/30/2003 -0400, Butch Black wrote: Should I be able to operate in Hyper program on a Z-1p with an A set on auto? I could not access it with an A 50/1.7. You might want to check Pentax Function 5 - it _seems_ from the manual that setting this to 1 disables Hyper-Program and results in a warning of incorrect exposure only being issued. In reality, my camera seems to function the same regardless of what this function is set to. - MCC - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Kalamazoo, MI [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - - - - - - - - - Photos: http://www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - -
Re: The end of history
Hi, Tom, Sadly, most jobs are taken for granted. If what one does gets done in a more than competent, seamless, almost invisible way, well, after all, it's what he/she was paid to do. I suspect that's what happened with the Y2K thing - no power plants blew up, jetliners didn't plummet from the sky, no defence computers crashed sending nuclear warheads to the former Soviet Union, everyone woke up with a hangover on Jan 1, 2000, sent off their e-mails without problem, and said, Geez, this thing was just blown out of proportion! Problem is, you guys did such a good job that no one noticed... If there's one thing I like about my current job, it's that I get more complements in a day than I used to get in a month in my former life. Wow, that envelope got here quick! Aw, shucks, 't'was nothin', Ma'am... vbg cheers, frank tom wrote: Hear hear! In my former life I was a geek, and I managed a pretty big Y2K conversion project. I worked 12-14 hours a day for 6 months, with at least 6 months of planning before that. When we converted, no one noticed, no one bought me a beer, 1 guy said good job. It was one of those things that people only noticed if you screw it up. If you did your job, the system looked exactly the same. Ho hum. I kind of wish some big bank had made a huge screwup so everyone would have known what a job it was. I'll take a sprained ankle and weepy assistant over that sort of thing any day of the week! tv -- What a senseless waste of human life -The Customer in Monty Python's Cheese Shop sketch
Re: Cutting roll of film
Maris V. Lidaka Sr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have an uncut roll of film that I want to scan, but of course my scanner will only take a strip of 6 frames maximum. How can I best cut it into sections, without damage to the film? Chainsaw. Use a big one. 5 horsepower at least. Make sure the surface of your workbench or desk is tough enough to take it. Be sure to wear safety glasses. Seriously: I always use an ordinary pair of scissors. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: freedom-schmeedom
frank theriault wrote: Thanks Keith. I should know better than to post when I'm angry, as I'm prone to say things that I later regret. I could tell that ... Please accept my apologies about the full of crap thing. Accepted gratefully. And thanks for taking it off line. Happy to have done so, Keith regards, frank Keith Whaley wrote: Thank you for the assessment. Not to worry. We've taken it offline, to avoid further damaging your sensibilities. keith -- What a senseless waste of human life -The Customer in Monty Python's Cheese Shop sketch
Re: The end of history
tom wrote: I'll take a sprained ankle and weepy assistant over that sort of thing any day of the week! You got that right! I don't think they could pay me enough to go through that again. :-) -- Later, Gary
Re: ouch
Jim Apilado wrote: I remember standing in a long line waiting to get some food at a wedding I was working on. The bridal party were eating their meal, and I was hoping to get something before some more activity took place. Suddenly, I was jerked out of the line by the bride. She got me up to the front of the food line and told everyone that I needed food to keep up my strength. No one objected. Especially after she dragged her new husband up to the front of the line AGAIN, and said the same thing. He's got to keep up _his_ strength, too... g Great little bride there! keith I get food at all the weddings I shoot. It's not stated on a contract. The bride or groom know I work hard and deserve some their offerings of food for the guest. Jim A. [...]
Re: specul- ist -ations
Hey, sex, drugs, Rock Roll, and PENTAX!!! Hehehehe. Marnie aka Doe :-) really? RR 8-) Herb - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 16:36 Subject: Re: specul- ist -ations Well, computer prices come down because RR improves, factories are set-up to turn out more, and the company wants to sell more to more people.
Re: OT: Barebones Darkroom
This is exactly what I'm thinking of doing too. BW has the advantage that you can use very fast film and do the pushing yourself. BW negatives are also easier to discern than color negatives IMHO. I read some BW books lately, it seems quite easy to do just the processing part. Color film, on the other hand, would be a lot more trouble and not much fun to process due to lack of variation and strict temperature requirement (not to mention added cost due to the short life the developers.) I'm planning to do this (BW processing) when I can get some vacation. If you get to do it first, I'd be interested in learning your experience. Tonghang. On Mon, 30 Jun 2003, Christopher Comer wrote: Hey everyone, I ordered a film scanner on the cheap and I would like to put together a pseudo darkroom. I'd like to be able to develop bw film and then scan the neg. into the computer for manipulation. I think all I need is a developing tank and [snip]
Re: ouch
Granted, but I prefer putting things in writing, not only for photography, but any deals for money. There are some clients that understand that even when the food is gone, when the flowers have died, when she's too fat to ever fit in that dress again, the only memorys she'll ever have is her wedding album and as such will treat you well. There is one client that no one will ever deal with again who made the photographer stand outside while the wedding was taking place and would stop the process every now and then to call him in to take a shot or 2 and then shoo him out again because she consided him a necessary evil. When you put the little things in writing there is no misunderstanding or a bad rep. You can do 50 or 100 perfect weddings but FUBAR one, just one and you'll have a pretty hard time getting your reputation back. Feroze - Original Message - From: Jim Apilado [EMAIL PROTECTED] I get food at all the weddings I shoot. It's not stated on a contract. The bride or groom know I work hard and deserve some their offerings of food for the guest.
Re: ouch
I seem to remember that when I got married, food was part of the photographer's contract as well as a position at a table near ours so he could stop eating and shoot should the need arise. I don't remember if he specifically asked us, but I think we made sure his table went up for food early since he had been there all day and needed to be ready to go again as the meal wound down. Incidentally, we ended up with some damn good photos - in fact, they were what inspired me to finally get a camera and learn to take some of my own. As another aside, I was astounded by the number of _bad_ wedding photographers we looked at before finally finding one. One guy showed us a bunch of stuff that was out of focus and with the tops of heads cut off. Another one couldn't meet with us himself so we had to talk to his mother instead. She was nice enough to tell us that, He tried to be a full time photographer, but he couldn't make it work. So now he has a real job too. Scary stuff. -Matt On Monday, June 30, 2003, at 06:38 PM, Keith Whaley wrote: Jim Apilado wrote: I remember standing in a long line waiting to get some food at a wedding I was working on. The bridal party were eating their meal, and I was hoping to get something before some more activity took place. Suddenly, I was jerked out of the line by the bride. She got me up to the front of the food line and told everyone that I needed food to keep up my strength. No one objected. Especially after she dragged her new husband up to the front of the line AGAIN, and said the same thing. He's got to keep up _his_ strength, too... g Great little bride there! keith I get food at all the weddings I shoot. It's not stated on a contract. The bride or groom know I work hard and deserve some their offerings of food for the guest. Jim A. [...]
Re: The end of history
- Original Message - From: T Rittenhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now here is a related question, what percentage of ancient records remain available today? That's a valid question. And it should probably be balanced against the percentage of analphabets in the populations in ancient times. Another, what is the difference between a written record in a language no one knows, and a computer record in an unknown format? You need different kind of geeks to decode them. :-) And another, where is all that information that was lost in the year 2000 change over (remember that non-problem)? Some people did a good job to make that a non-poblem, Tom. And yet another, what is the difference between a destroyed piece of paper and a destroyed CD. The former is envionment friendly? Oh, well you would have to destroy a lot of paper per CD, I guess... In fact, commercial, and governmental hard drives are regularly backed up. When new larger ones replace older smaller ones most often they just copy the data onto the new one. When old file cabinets are replaced, quite often the old files are just dumped into boxes and put into damp basements to be forgotten. Which files are more likely to be preserved? Well not the ones on CDroms in the damp basement, for sure. I think your are twisting things to an angle to make your point here, but I shall not claim to see things better. I thinks this is an imoprtant issue, so I would like to give an example from an area of business I know something about. And where the issue of long-term storage is important. Pharmaceutical companies are obliged to keep all records regarding a drug from the days of the first experiments with the active ingredient, and until 30-100 years after the medicine have been removed from the market (depending on national laws). In Sweden-based Astra, they did a project on the logistics of long-term storage a couple of years ago. They found that to maintain a digital archive in a readable state for a 100 years would be extremely expensive, cosidering the amount of info that will accumulate between each format or media transferral. OTOH, a digital archive has very good availability. Information is searchable, so retrieval time is short. For long-term storage, however, they had too look at other options. A paper-based archive could be one solution, but it takes up a huge volume, and laser prints and photocopies don't last more than 20-30 years before the toner comes off. The best suited medium for long-term storage, according to Astra, was microfilm. Small volume, cheap and long expected life time. The downside is, of course, that info is hard to find. However, there is also a nice trade-off to be made against how often information is requested. One can accept that older and less sought-for information takes longer to find. So Astra concluded that the best way was to find some optimal transition age for information to be moved from one media to the next. IIRC, they allowed 3 years on network drives, then another 5-7 years on CDROMs as XML files, before everything was printed out and kept in paper format for 15 years. Then, everything should be microfilmed, and the paper destroyed. It is interesting that the total cost for Astra was lower for transfer to chemical media than to keep it digital. They even applied Moore's law to the size and price of new hardware in their estimates. Unfortunately, Astra never got around to trying out their logistics, as the whole project was stopped in the merge with Zeneca half a year later, but it goes to show that the issue of long-term storage is an issue that one shouldn't take too lightly. Especially with regards to the actual volume of digital info we now have. Jostein
Re: Cutting roll of film
Scissors? Just cut between the frames. At 05:17 PM 6/30/03 -0500, you wrote: I have an uncut roll of film that I want to scan, but of course my scanner will only take a strip of 6 frames maximum. How can I best cut it into sections, without damage to the film? Maris To grasp the true meaning of socialism, imagine a world where everything is designed by the post office, even the sleaze. O'Rourke, P.J.
Re: Cutting roll of film
If the film hass been inserted into transparent plastic shells, I would use metal ruler cutter on a cutting mat. If it is bare, I use plastic ruler. If you don't mind not so perfect cut, use scissors. regards, Alan Chan I have an uncut roll of film that I want to scan, but of course my scanner will only take a strip of 6 frames maximum. How can I best cut it into sections, without damage to the film? _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
RE: How's Adorama For Used Equip?
On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 11:36:28 -0400, Scott J. Fine wrote: e) folks don't want the responsibility of saying a vendor is good or bad... I have never had a good experience with Adorama, not once in three attempts. I've never bought any used equipment from them, but I've bought new stuff from them on four or five occasions without any sort of trouble at all. Orders ranged from 20 roll pack of Portra 400 NC (? $70) to a ~$600 lens. TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
Re: The end of history
On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:56:32 -0500, Gary L. Murphy wrote: And another, where is all that information that was lost in the year 2000 change over (remember that non-problem)? That, non-problem as you call it was due to the countless overtime hours that were put in by people like myself starting some 4-5 years =before= the year 2000 hit. Had it not resolved before it was, this world would not have been the same for some time :-) As one of the people who spent months fixing old code, I can tell you that in at least some areas, it was _not_ a non-problem. Had it been left untouched, there would have been problems, some of them severe and potentially life-threatening. Say you had an allergy to penicillin but the medical records system returned someone else's allergy sheet showing no allergies ... TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
Re: The end of history
Doug Franklin wrote: As one of the people who spent months fixing old code, I can tell you that in at least some areas, it was _not_ a non-problem. Had it been You be preaching to the choir, Doug Been there, done that ;-) -- Later, Gary
Re: The Pentax Lens Look
The Nikkor is also supposed to have some vignetting issues wide open. There are reasons why I have the 180/2.8 (good wide open and much smaller and lighter). BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, that particular test shows that Nikkor was very soft at the long end wide open. On the otherhand, the sharpness of the Pentax did not improve much even when stopped down. Judging by that test alone, I was disappointed by the fact that the Nikkor did not blow away the old Pentax (I was hoping more).
Re: SV: specul- ist -ations
From people who have done scanning (very high quality ones) and now do direct digital capture, they say that a 18meg direct digital file is equal in quality to a 50 meg (8 bit) scan. Digital capture does not directly compare to scan resolutions. Film introduces all sorts of crap that imaging devices do not. After almost 4 years with a 2400 dpi film scanner and recently getting a 4000 dpi one I can understand this 18 = 50 comment. resolution isn't everything. You have to stop looking at numbers and start looking at pictures. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today the scanners seem to be reaching a sound wall - of 5000 ppi. I have figured that 35mm analoge photography can reach what is equivalent to appr. 7500 ppi (100 lppm). When digital cameras reach - let's say 6000ppi and fps of 8 shots per second at a competing price level(!) - the 35mm photography film will die. At least for the pro-market.
Re: How's Adorama For Used Equip?
Thomas Haller wrote: Hi David, ...I'm eyeing some equipment from Adorama and I'd like to know how they are with their used department. Has anyone bought used from Adorama? Has anyone in Canada bought used from Adorama? I bought a used 300/4 for my 6x7 from Adorama, although it was an item they auctioned on ebay. It was as described, although I would say their ratings are not as conservative as KEH. In other words, Adorama excellent is probably somewhere between KEH bargain and KEH excellent. The price, however, was very good, the delivery prompt. Paul Stenquist
Re: Cutting roll of film
A scissors will do nicely. Paul Maris V. Lidaka Sr. wrote: I have an uncut roll of film that I want to scan, but of course my scanner will only take a strip of 6 frames maximum. How can I best cut it into sections, without damage to the film? Maris
Re: My Son / Freedom
Hi Bob and Everyone, Bob my sincere and heartfelt prayers go out to you, your family and your son Aaron at this time. War is Hell and your son is a brave hero. I hope he has a speedy recovery. Whatever anyones thoughts are about the Iraq war, (I personally was against it and felt Bush was exaggerating the threat unlike Afghanistan which was 100% necessary) Bob's son is no less a hero than those who died or were injured in WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Bosnia or Afghanistan. (or any other place I forgot) Remember, Aaron is a Volunteer to fight for our freedom and he did not choose the war, our leaders did. I agree this Not the time and forum to discuss politics. If you want to, go elsewhere, especially when we have a fellow pentax brother who is hurting. Sincerely, Ryan Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 21:50:11 -0400 From: Bruce Rubenstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: freedom-schmeedom Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, this is it, the one time I'm going to agree with Frank. I have a son who is old enough to be in the military. The anguish that a parent goes through when a child is hurt is deeper than any other. Politics have nothing to do with the trauma to Bob and Aaron's personal world. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob's son Aaron is lying in a hospital somewhere, wondering if he's going to lose a foot, and you guys get into this discussion. Shame on both of you! I'm not impressed. This really ain't the time... -frank __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com
Re: Vertical creep...
video pan heads normally have such a pin. the pin is ineffective on still cameras because they don't have a matching hole for the pin. instead, they have evolved a variety of solutions, all involving lots of money. an Acra-Swiss quick release system with Kirk mounting brackets is probably the best you can get. each camera has a specific bracket that holds the entire camera from tilting. if your lens has its own mounting socket, you may be able to get a bracket just for that lens. Herb... - Original Message - From: Jim Apilado [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 18:09 Subject: Re: Vertical creep... I have an old Tiltall tripod. I do know that Slik had a tripod that featured a small pin that protruded from the base of the mount to prevent vertical creeping.
RE: OT - another great ( photogenic )talent gone - Katherine Hepburn
Hi Ann, Hear hear! Not only was she incredibly photogenic, but seemed to have such a strong presence in everything she did. My favourite film of hers would have to be The African Queen, but thought her performance in On Golden Pond was simply brilliant (..and good thing she got the gong for that one). Unfortunately I can't help with the photo question, but know that you're not alone in mourning her departure. Simon -Original Message- From: Ann Sanfedele [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 1 July 2003 5:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT - another great ( photogenic )talent gone - Katherine Hepburn You guys went on and on about Gregory Peck (just fine by me, I adored him) but as I have been barely skimming the list the last day or two (make that week, no, month or two) I searched for Hepburn in both subject line and body last night and today.) Thinking of great portraits of her by some of those great photographers many of us admire here, I thought it strange. Especially in light of Steve Larson having a lovely Calla Lily shot in the July PUG which I believe begin to be available for viewing on the day of Kate's passing. The departure left me teary eyed - she seemed invincible somehow. Nothing sad in the greater scheme of things of someone who had a remarkable career and life who lived until 96. In a very specific photo oriented question - did Cecil Beaton do the ultimate Kate portrait? Did Bresson ever photographer her? (I SHOULD know that but I can't recall) annsan
Re: Got the MZ-S afterall
Man you can't get much nicer than that... Vic In a message dated 6/30/03 3:58:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.dfsee.com/gallery/mz-s-77b.htm
Re: SV: specul- ist -ations
Bruce Rubenstein wrote: From people who have done scanning (very high quality ones) and now do direct digital capture, they say that a 18meg direct digital file is equal in quality to a 50 meg (8 bit) scan. Did you shoot an 18 MP digital side by side with film for 6 months , Brucey ? Or just repeating something you read somewhere on Internet ? Digital capture does not directly compare to scan resolutions. Film introduces all sorts of crap that imaging devices do not. You got it wrong. Scanning introduces all sorts of crap that film do not. cheers, caveman
Re: OT - another great ( photogenic )talent gone - Katherine Hepburn
Hi, Simon and Ann, She was amazing in African Queen. Unfortunately I never liked the movie that much, as one of my favourites, Humphrey Bogart was (I always thought) mis-cast in it. Philadephia Story and Guess Who's Coming to Dinner are among my faves. Two things about her: She was beautiful, but it was an unconventional beauty. Not at all like the typical Hollywood Starlets; secondly, I can't think of another woman who aged as gracefully as she did. The chemistry between her and Spencer Tracey was truly unlike any other that I've witnessed on screen - that's why I enjoyed Guess Who's Coming to Dinner so much; they were so obviously in love and in synch with each other. Yup, another icon lost... regards, frank Simon King wrote: Hi Ann, Hear hear! Not only was she incredibly photogenic, but seemed to have such a strong presence in everything she did. My favourite film of hers would have to be The African Queen, but thought her performance in On Golden Pond was simply brilliant (..and good thing she got the gong for that one). Unfortunately I can't help with the photo question, but know that you're not alone in mourning her departure. Simon -- What a senseless waste of human life -The Customer in Monty Python's Cheese Shop sketch
Re: OT - another great ( photogenic )talent gone - Katherine Hepburn
Annsan, Kate Hepburn was such a great role model for women. She was smart and pretty, and strong willed. She played parts where nobody pushed her around! I would expect she mattered more to women than men. Perhaps for similar reasons that Gregory Peck did to men. They both portrayed people who, at our best, we would like to be. People who stood up for their convictions... Regards, Bob S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You guys went on and on about Gregory Peck (just fine by me, I adored him) but as I have been barely skimming the list the last day or two (make that week, no, month or two) I searched for Hepburn in both subject line and body last night and today.) Thinking of great portraits of her by some of those great photographers many of us admire here, I thought it strange. Especially in light of Steve Larson having a lovely Calla Lily shot in the July PUG which I believe begin to be available for viewing on the day of Kate's passing. The departure left me teary eyed - she seemed invincible somehow. Nothing sad in the greater scheme of things of someone who had a remarkable career and life who lived until 96.
London, 18 July
I'll be making a quick trip East in a couple of weeks. Coming back home I pass through London, arriving at LHR 1830 on the 18th, continuing on at 1030 on the 19th. Any PDMLers up for a pub crawl, dinner, whatever? I expect to be travelling very light, with maybe only my Optio 330RS with me this time. Stan
Bird Photos
I jut put up my July website update, and have added some new bird photos plus a little essay on photographing songbirds. My PUG entry this month was the first decent shot I got of a yellow warbler - and since I got it just a day before the deadline it was the photo I sent in. But since then I finally got the rapport established, and have managed to get a few more acceptable shots - particularly of one little guy who loves to show off his mayfly lunches and otherwise mug for the camera. Stop in if you have the chance - http://www.markcassino.com - MCC - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Kalamazoo, MI [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - - - - - - - - - Photos: http://www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - -
Re: Digital vs. film again (was Re: I Am Pissed!)
Anthony Farr wrote: Colour film looks the same to the enlarging lens whether lit by condensor or diffuser. Repeat: Colour film looks the same to the enlarging lens whether lit by condensor or diffuser. Send a letter to those poor misled souls at Minolta and tell them not to bother including that ridiculous diffuser in their latest scanner model, since it won't work, would it. ciao!
Re: Bird Photos
A plethora of birds,and coyotes to boot; that's one lovely area you reside in / near! As for the website, Great photos, as usual, and a very good read. Pretty cool catching those shots with the mayflies, huh? Nice. ps... make themselves more attractive - sort of like wearing a diamond pinkie ring. HA!!
