Re: Norcal PDML meet - SF

2005-10-05 Thread John Celio
Hey Bruce, you can put confirmed next to my name on that list, as well as 
a possible guest or two.


I helped convert a coworker of mine over to Pentax (he bought the *istDL 
two-lens kit last week), and he and his girlfriend might be coming along.


John Celio

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Re: OT: Vertigo, then and now

2005-10-05 Thread Tom C
I totally agree.  Thanks for sharing this Juan! I  wasn't going to click on 
every link, but I couldn't resist. A.H. movies are most of my favorites, 
including Vertigo.


Any movie starring Cary Grant or Audrey Hepburn are on my list as well.

Charade is #1 (not Hitchcock).

Followed by:

North by Northwest and To Catch a Thief at a tie.

The Birds,  What Happened to Harry?, Rear Window, along with 
Vertigo, are in the top ten also.


How to Steal a Million w/Peter O'Toole and Audrey is enjoyable also.

I should have labeled this OT.

Tom C.





From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: Juan Buhler pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: OT: Vertigo, then and now
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:46:08 -0700

Hello Juan,

That is very cool to look at.  It is amazing how much of it has
remained similar after all these years.  Looking forward to the get
together!

--
Bruce


Tuesday, October 4, 2005, 8:18:59 PM, you wrote:

JB I'm posting this here because it has some pictures of the area where
JB the SF PDML meetup will happen this Saturday:

JB http://www.basichip.com/vertigo/main.htm

JB This guy photographed places from scenes in Hitchcock's _Vertigo_, in
JB 2003. He did a great job of reproducing the angles and finding the
JB right spots. All the pics involving Grant, Bush, Stockton, Sutter,
JB Post, etc are the places where we'll be hanging out.

JB Just thought you guys would like to see it. BTW, Vertigo is one of my
JB favorite films. If you haven't seen it, you should.

JB j


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Pemtax 67 Cases

2005-10-05 Thread Tom C
I haven't done a lot of research on this topic on my own, but have poked 
around on the web for half an hour.


I'm looking for an aluminum hard side case that will safely accomodate a 
Pentax 67 with meter prism attached, and a standard 90 or 105mm lens.  The 
kind with the pre-cut foam blocks that are removable to make a custom fit.


Any leads, ideas, or experience?  Thanks.

Tom C.




Re: The slow and painful death of film.

2005-10-05 Thread Rob Studdert
On 4 Oct 2005 at 23:09, Tom C wrote:

 I take it this would not be the case were you to receive 'RAW' files vs. 
 .jpg?  Or is the processing totally geared towards .jpgs?

This is one big reason why it would be great if DNG (or some similar scheme) 
was adopted as a de facto digital film by all the camera manufacturers. Print 
processing equipment could be designed to read and optimize (plus manual 
operator adjustment if required) DNG/RAW files.


Rob Studdert
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Tel +61-2-9554-4110
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Pentax 67 Cases

2005-10-05 Thread Tom C
Spellin' corrected... I haven't done a lot of research on this topic on my 
own, but have poked around on the web for half an hour.


I'm looking for an aluminum hard side case that will safely accomodate a 
Pentax 67 with meter prism attached, and a standard 90 or 105mm lens.  The 
kind with the pre-cut foam blocks that are removable to make a custom fit.


Any leads, ideas, or experience?  Thanks.

Tom C.




Re: Pentax 67 Cases

2005-10-05 Thread Rob Studdert
On 5 Oct 2005 at 0:28, Tom C wrote:

 Spellin' corrected... I haven't done a lot of research on this topic on my 
 own,
 but have poked around on the web for half an hour.
 
 I'm looking for an aluminum hard side case that will safely accomodate a 
 Pentax 67 with meter prism attached, and a standard 90 or 105mm lens.  The 
 kind
 with the pre-cut foam blocks that are removable to make a custom fit.
 
 Any leads, ideas, or experience?  Thanks.

Have you considered an ABS case like Pelican or UK? I'm just not that fond of 
ally cases, the ally is generally just a foil over some ply and most aren't 
dust or water proof either.

http://www.pelican.com/cases/cases.html
http://www.customcaseco.com/ukcases.html

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Re: Pentax 67 Cases

2005-10-05 Thread derbyc
Quoting Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Spellin' corrected... I haven't done a lot of research on this topic on my 
 own, but have poked around on the web for half an hour.
 
 I'm looking for an aluminum hard side case that will safely accomodate a 
 Pentax 67 with meter prism attached, and a standard 90 or 105mm lens.  The 
 kind with the pre-cut foam blocks that are removable to make a custom fit.
 
 Any leads, ideas, or experience?  Thanks.
 
 Tom C.
 
 



In my previous job, we used to use Storm cases:

http://www.stormcase.com/

...to transport Panel PCs and sensitive camera gear around the world. These are
like Pelican cases, but have a number of better features (benefits listed on
their website). Turned out to be marginally cheaper than Pelicans too.

Derby





Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis

On Wed, 5 Oct 2005, Rob Studdert wrote:


What gets me is (if you've been watching the *ist D grip thread) that the *ist
D sans grip is apparently too small for many people which is counter to the
general Pentax DSLRs are great because they're small discussions.


In addition to it being removable, the grip only adds to one 
dimension.


And no, the slogan should be:

PENTAX, because size matters.

Kostas



Re: The slow and painful death of film.

2005-10-05 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis

On Tue, 4 Oct 2005, William Robb wrote:

The customer is responsible for the resolution being great enough, the white 
balance being correct, the image compression not being too great, and the 
exposure being close to correct.
Quite honestly, I have more trouble with digital print quality than with film 
print quality because of customer misintervention of the process.


Yet another reason not to be bothered with digital, while still 
possible.


Kostas



Re: OT: Vertigo, then and now

2005-10-05 Thread Juan Buhler
On 10/4/05, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Any movie starring Cary Grant or Audrey Hepburn are on my list as well.

 Charade is #1 (not Hitchcock).

Funny, I just saw Charade last night (I had seen it before, many years ago.)

An interesting thing to note: Because of a technicality, this film
fell out of copyright and is now public domain. It can actually be
downloaded from the Internet Archive, here:

http://www.archive.org/details/charade

(go back to feature films for many other public domain
works--including some early Hitchcock films like The Man Who Knew Too
Much.

rant
Too bad copyright law doesn't have its original purpose anymore--it
would be really interesting if post-1937 works were allowed to go into
the public domain.
/rant

j

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Re: PAW: The Love of my Life

2005-10-05 Thread P. J. Alling

Interesting shot, more interesting with the title.

frank theriault wrote:


Okay, I guess I love my kids more...

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3777084size=lg

vbg

Comments are always welcome.

cheers,
frank
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... and I thought I didn't have a life...
(I'm getting to say this a lot lately.)

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Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Toralf Lund

William Robb wrote:



- Original Message - From: Toralf Lund
Subject: Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...






Except, perhaps, you have one motor instead of one in each and every 
lens? Seems more sensible to me... And if you update the motor, 
you'll see an improvement for *all* lenses.



If you have an original EOS lens, and buy a new lens, you have just 
updated your AF technology.


Not really. You are still stuck with the same in-camera sensor system, 
aren't you?


If you are using a 20 year old camera with the drive motor in the 
camera, you are stuck with that technology until you ditch the camera.




Does it matter, anyway, where you put the motor? Aren't the most 
important factors in an AF system what the sensor does and how you 
process its data - and how fast you do it?



The most important factor is how efficienty the overall system works. 
Lens driven AF is more efficient than body driven AF.


I very much doubt that this holds as a general claim.

- T



RE: ist D Battery Grip

2005-10-05 Thread Paul Ewins

I bought mine with the camera thinking the extra battery capacity might be
useful but stopped using it because the extra size (height) meant the camera
would no longer fit in the camera bags I use. I've never found the *ist-D
hard to hold so the extra size wasn't a bonus for me. 

I've just returned after two months of traveling around the UK and France on
holiday and I no longer have any tolerance for something that adds extra
weight to my camera setup, so that is another mark against it. As it was,
the battery life with 2100 and 2500 ah NiMh batteries meant that it would
have been superfluous anyway.   

Paul Ewins




Re: Another Auction

2005-10-05 Thread David Mann

I love the line No time wasters please!

- Dave (among all that electronic junk I don't see a clock)

On Oct 4, 2005, at 10:31 PM, Kevin Waterson wrote:

If this one gets away from you, you may be able to travel back and  
get it.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Electronics-photography/Other/ 
auction-36725938.htm


Kevin
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Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.







Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread P. J. Alling

Pentax could do that, if they wanted to.

Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:


Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote on 04.10.05 12:10:

 


I am also wondering of it additonally ensures that the mount stays the
same.
   


Nikon mount negates this. You've got both - traditional screw type AF
drive and possibility to use AF-S and VR lenses with the same mount.

 




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Re: Pemtax 67 Cases

2005-10-05 Thread Cotty
On 5/10/05, Tom C, discombobulated, unleashed:

 have poked 
around on the web for half an hour.

This has always been my intention, ever since I got internet hook-up.
Unfortunately I can't think of one single instance where I actually kept
to my intention ;-)




Cheers,
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Re: PAW/PESO: Nearly Naked

2005-10-05 Thread P. J. Alling
Frank, I'm surprised at you, there's a lot of detail and it's in focus.  
 ;-)


frank theriault wrote:


I took my Yashicamat out for a walk a couple of weeks ago, for the
first time in about 2 years.  It was fun!  This is one of my favourite
shots of the one roll I took.

Sadly, my primitive scanning techniques don't allow you to see the
amazing detail in this print, but maybe you'll get a bit of an idea of
it:

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3777335

I must do this more often.

Comments always welcome.

cheers,
frank
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Re: OT - Konolta to cease digi sales in Canada

2005-10-05 Thread David Mann

On Oct 5, 2005, at 4:52 PM, William Robb wrote:


You can solve a lot of problems with a chainsaw.


To alcohol!  The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems.
  -- Homer Simpson




Re: OT - Konolta to cease digi sales in Canada

2005-10-05 Thread P. J. Alling
Actually the Honeywell deal, was the other way around.  Pentax wanted to 
get control of their own distribution in a major market.  Without Pentax 
Honeywell had nothing of any substance to sell...


graywolf wrote:

First Minolta bought Textronics which made them broke. Then Konica 
bought Minolta which probably made them broke. Wonder who will buy 
Konica now? GRIN


OTOH, probably the only reason that they are not available in Canada 
is that the independent distributor went belly up. As soon as they 
find a new one they will most likely be back. This kind of thing 
happens in markets too small for the company to set up their own 
distributorship. Even in the US, remember when Honeywell was the 
Pentax distributor? When they went out of the photography business 
Pentax had to take over themselves. The US was too big a market to ignor.


graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
Idiot Proof == Expert Proof
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P. J. Alling wrote:

Apparently Konolta is in worse shape than we thought.  (Now here's 
something to start a stampede away from a brand name).


Christian wrote:


http://www.dpreview.com/news/0510/05100302nokmdcs_4ca.asp

Sales and distribution of Digital/35mm cameras, film scanners, 
binoculars, photo meters, and their accessories will however cease 
in Canada.


What did the Canucks do this time?  ;-)  No soup for you!

Christian










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Re: ist D Battery Grip

2005-10-05 Thread P. J. Alling

I thought you were already potty...

Cotty wrote:


On 4/10/05, Thibouille, discombobulated, unleashed:

 


you WILL have to shit it
off when using it in landscape mode for a while
   



That would drive me potty!




Cheers,
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PESO Unintentional photos from my recent trip

2005-10-05 Thread Rob Studdert
It's been a long time between PESOs for me but here are three pics from my 
recent trip:

http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/IMGP4645.jpg (~109kB)
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/IMGP4324.jpg (~58kB)
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/IMGP3596.jpg (~116kB)

Please comment if you desire but really I had very little part to play in the 
making of these pics apart from carrying the camera and bumping the shutter 
release :-)

Oh and they were all shot with manual focus lenses.

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
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Re: Optio60/S6

2005-10-05 Thread P. J. Alling
Lots of companies give different designations to items that are sold in 
different stores.  My Photo printer is the HP7350s, if I had bought it 
in Wall Mart it would have been a HP7350w. 


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I've seen two names for the same camera.
The Pentax web site calls it the S6.
But @ WalMart it's the 60.
(And the local camera store aren't likely 
to sell it until the S45 units have sold.)


Collin
KC8TKA


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Re: OT: Lighting Advice Needed

2005-10-05 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: David [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Here is what I am trying to figure out:
 
 1. I have a pair of Smith Victor A100's bought on Ebay. The listing said 
 that they would take up to a 500W bulb but the lights themselves list 
 only bulb types for 250W. I emailed Smith Victor and they responded that 
 the 500W light extends past my 10 reflectors which is why they don't 
 recommend using them. Other than the need to be very careful that 
 nothing touches the bulb, is there any reason why I can't use the bigger 
 light bulb?

You may have medium to long term problems because the extra heat may affect 
susceptible parts.  Sorry I can't be more specific than that.

 
 2. I want to use a dimmer switch to conserve the color of my tungsten 
 lights between shots. Smith Victor recommends a DC-1 control but doesn't 
 say how much wattage I can run through it. Can I use a heavy weight 
 multiple outlet extension cord and put all 1000 Watts (both lights) 
 through the same dimmer?

amps = wattage divided by volts.  Dimmers are usually rated by the power 
(wattage) they can control.  You may find you are limited by the amount of 
current you are allowed to draw from a household outlet.  In the UK (240Volt) 
this is 13amps.  Your setup would draw about 4amps here.  There, it will be 
more like 9.

Don't use a wind-up extension without pulling all the wire off the reel. voice 
of experience You can start quite an exciting fire due to inductive effects 
melting the insulation. /voice of experience

Can't help you with the rest.

mike


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Re: Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2005/10/05 Wed AM 04:59:16 GMT
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...
 
 On 5 Oct 2005 at 6:48, DagT wrote:
 
  I was referring to the fact that the 1Ds mkII is about the same size  
  and weight as the Pentax 67, not the use.
 
 What gets me is (if you've been watching the *ist D grip thread) that the 
 *ist 
 D sans grip is apparently too small for many people which is counter to the 
 general Pentax DSLRs are great because they're small discussions.

I noticed that.  It's very interesting - I had hoped that the DSLR line would 
be even smaller than the film SLRs, as there was no film/film transport to 
accommodate.  No doubt the extra batteries and electronics account for that.  
Still a disappointment.

I also find that the D (not handled any of the others) is very oddly balanced.  
Much heavier on the left than the right.  Which is not to inject a dose of 
politics into this thread. 8-)

mike


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Re: RE: PESO: Pictures from a Vacation VIII

2005-10-05 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2005/10/05 Wed AM 05:03:23 GMT
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: RE: PESO: Pictures from a Vacation VIII
 
 Cool!... Leica?
 
 Tom C.

No, it's a dog with a stick.

 
 
 
 
 From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 To: Pentax Discuss pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: PESO: Pictures from a Vacation VIII
 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:52:24 -0600
 
 Just when you though I had wound down.
 
 This is a just a snapshot of my dog fetching a stick.
 
 http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/peso/vacation/IMGP0583.html
 
 William Robb
 
 
 
 


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Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread P. J. Alling
I think it has more to do with the *ist-D's built in grip, that the size 
of the camera.  While I don't have any
real gripes with the grip, I do sometimes wish it were deeper like the 
one on the Ds...


Rob Studdert wrote:


On 5 Oct 2005 at 6:48, DagT wrote:

 

I was referring to the fact that the 1Ds mkII is about the same size  
and weight as the Pentax 67, not the use.
   



What gets me is (if you've been watching the *ist D grip thread) that the *ist 
D sans grip is apparently too small for many people which is counter to the 
general Pentax DSLRs are great because they're small discussions.



Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread P. J. Alling

Supposedly...

William Robb wrote:



- Original Message - From: Tom C
Subject: Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...


PENTAX, Official camera of women, and men with small hands... 
Trying to be funny at 10:35 PM PDT.



I know what they say about how foot size relates to other body parts, 
does hand size work the same way?


William Robb





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Re: PESO: Pictures from a Vacation VIII

2005-10-05 Thread P. J. Alling
You can't really get the scale of the Dog from this, looks like my 
Cocker with a much smaller stick...

(He only Thinks he's a Rottweiler ).

Bruce Dayton wrote:


That's no stick, that's a tree!

Nice shot.

 




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Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
P. J. Alling wrote on 05.10.05 9:43:

 Pentax could do that, if they wanted to.
They did. At least in patent filed a few years ago. I have even made a PDF
from that patent, we called it KAF3 mount. It used current digital contact
for communication and powerzoom contacts to provide voltage supply for USM
and IS motors. But strangely Pentax has removed power zoom contacts in the
newest cameras...

-- 
Balance is the ultimate good...

Best Regards
Sylwek



OT Digital NR experience PSCS2 vs NN and NI?

2005-10-05 Thread Rob Studdert
So has anyone compared the NR facilities in PSCS2 CR with the latest 
incarnations of Noise Ninja or Neatimage? I'm keen to hear if any of you think 
the PSCS2 CR NR is good enough to dispense with the need for other NR 
utilities.? (All with reference to post processing DSLR files)

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Re: PESO Unintentional photos from my recent trip

2005-10-05 Thread Cotty
On 5/10/05, Rob Studdert, discombobulated, unleashed:

http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/IMGP4645.jpg (~109kB)
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/IMGP4324.jpg (~58kB)
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/IMGP3596.jpg (~116kB)

Please comment if you desire but really I had very little part to play
in the 
making of these pics apart from carrying the camera and bumping the shutter 
release :-)

Hmmm, what was Shel saying about wasted frames?  ;-)



Cheers,
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Re: Nikon lens to M42 body adapter...

2005-10-05 Thread P. J. Alling
Some of the third party K-M42 adapters stick out of the camera body, 
which doesn't help lens registration much.  Genuine Pen tax adapters 
mount flush in the K mount and retain exact registration.


keith_w wrote:


Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:



On Oct 4, 2005, at 9:55 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:


M42 and K-bayonet have the same register...




Lens mount body flange-to-film plane measurement?


...and very similar to Nikon
bayonet. That's why there are no adapters I know of that will allow
infinity focus.





There used to be a K-to-M42 adapter that did allow infinity focus. It
contained one or more optical elements to make this work.  ...




Mark, or somebody, didn't leave his quote source intact, so I don't 
know to whom I should address this question, however...
Are you telling me that when I attach Pentax' own M42 to K-mount 
adapter ring to my K-mount bodies, none of the M42 lenses I 
subsequently mount will actually be able to focus to infinity?!
I was rather nonplused, but managed to ponder...I think that when such 
a situation occurs, I don't think I attach any M42 mount lens 
specifically to take scenics or other very long distance shots, nor 
did I blow any of them up to 11X14 or beyond, so I guess I never 
noticed.


I think the poster is right, and *I* need to be more critical in my 
examination of my images!
Perhaps I was fortunate that all settings in the past have utilized 
good light, combined with mid- or small diamater apertures, so I never 
noticed!


keith

It's generally a bad idea, though. The M42 mount is smaller diameter  
as well as the same register which makes it hard to make this 
without  also putting a low-power teleconverter in such a mount. 
That's what  Canon did for the FD-EOS converter ... and IMO it was a 
total waste  of time.




I've also wondered if the lens mount casting from a K1000 would bolt
onto a Spotmatic. Those cameras were similar enough that it just might
be the case. You'd be limited to stop-down metering, but you'd have an
interesting conversation piece.




Yup. Like the guy who adapted the Leica R bayonet mount to his Nikon  
F2 body. Hated the Leica R bodies, loved their lenses, and didn't  
care about Nikkor lenses...


Godfrey







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Re: OT - Konolta to cease digi sales in Canada

2005-10-05 Thread David Mann

On Oct 5, 2005, at 9:05 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

Actually the Honeywell deal, was the other way around.  Pentax  
wanted to get control of their own distribution in a major market.   
Without Pentax Honeywell had nothing of any substance to sell...


Is that the same Honeywell that's currently valued at $31 billion  
(and was nearly sold in 2000 to General Electric for $45b)?


Darn it, now I'm going to have to read Asterix and the Goths again...

- Dave



Re: Optio60/S6

2005-10-05 Thread Dario Bonazza

Bob Sullivan wrote:



In general, the S3, S4, S5 had optical viewfinders.
The S40 and S50 had no optical viewfinder.
Regards,  Bob S.


No, all the cameras you mentioned have optical viewfinders.
The main difference between the single-digit Optios and the two-digit models 
is power supply: two AA batteries for the S30/S40/S45/S50/S55/S60 and one 
Li-ion for the S/S3/S4/S4i/S5/S5i/S5n/S5z/S6.


Optical viewfinder has been dropped within both families from latest models 
(S5n, S5z, S6, S45, S55, S60), sporting a larger LCD.


Dario 



Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Krisjanis Linkevics
  I know what they say about how foot size relates to other body parts, 
  does hand size work the same way?
 
  William Robb

 P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 2005.10.05 11:43:19:

 Supposedly...

I've got really long fingers plus really large feet and no it doesn't :)
I wish it would, though :), although my SO says it's exactly the right 
size :)

Krisjanis



GESO: Fall in the Adirondacks

2005-10-05 Thread Herb Chong
last weekend in the Adirondacks was a little early for the fall colors this 
year, and what there was seemed much duller than usual. from a distance, it 
all looks summer green mixed in with lots of brown. only when you get closer 
are the other colors easily distinguishable. the birches, for the most part, 
hadn't even started to turn yellow yet. the skies were clear blue with a few 
wispy clouds at most.


http://users.bestweb.net/~hchong/Seasonal/

Herb 



Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
Krisjanis Linkevics wrote on 05.10.05 12:08:

 I've got really long fingers plus really large feet and no it doesn't :)
 I wish it would, though :), although my SO says it's exactly the right
 size :)
After reading the last posts in this thread, I'am wondering whether first
letter in PDML abbreviation really means Pentax? :-)))

-- 
Balance is the ultimate good...

Best Regards
Sylwek



Re: GESO: Fall in the Adirondacks

2005-10-05 Thread Cotty
On 5/10/05, Herb Chong, discombobulated, unleashed:

last weekend in the Adirondacks was a little early for the fall colors this 
year, and what there was seemed much duller than usual. from a distance, it 
all looks summer green mixed in with lots of brown. only when you get closer 
are the other colors easily distinguishable. the birches, for the most part, 
hadn't even started to turn yellow yet. the skies were clear blue with a few 
wispy clouds at most.

http://users.bestweb.net/~hchong/Seasonal/

Beautiful collection Herb.

0030, 96, and 124 stand out for me.

So you *can* take pictures ;-)

Excellent job, really nice.




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: OT - Konolta to cease digi sales in Canada

2005-10-05 Thread Tom Reese
William Robb wrote:

 You can solve a lot of problems with a chainsaw.

I suppose so but I think dynamite is a more elegant solution.

Tom Reese



Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Krisjanis Linkevics
  I've got really long fingers plus really large feet and no it doesn't 
:)
  I wish it would, though :), although my SO says it's exactly the right
  size :)
 After reading the last posts in this thread, I'am wondering whether 
first
 letter in PDML abbreviation really means Pentax? :-)))

 Sylwek
 

I meant the *istD :) she says it's purrfect. Wants one of her own. I have 
to constantly remind her that the gear really doesn't matter, that it's 
all about the operator :)

Krisjanis



Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
Krisjanis Linkevics wrote on 05.10.05 12:31:

 I meant the *istD :) she says it's purrfect. Wants one of her own. I have
 to constantly remind her that the gear really doesn't matter, that it's
 all about the operator :)
Ah, so that's OK, I was thinking of foot size relates to other body parts
as written by William :-)

-- 
Balance is the ultimate good...

Best Regards
Sylwek



Re: PESO: Pictures from a Vacation VIII

2005-10-05 Thread Paul Stenquist

Good grab. What lens did you use? The 300?
Paul
On Oct 5, 2005, at 12:52 AM, William Robb wrote:


Just when you though I had wound down.

This is a just a snapshot of my dog fetching a stick.

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/peso/vacation/IMGP0583.html

William Robb





Re: Fall in the Adirondacks

2005-10-05 Thread cbwaters

Bloody hell, Herb...
Now I either need to quit my job so I can spend enough time to even begin to 
get this good or sell all my camera gear and give up...

Sheesh.
Herb...Print, bind, sell in stores.

Cory

- Original Message - 
From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 6:20 AM
Subject: GESO: Fall in the Adirondacks


last weekend in the Adirondacks was a little early for the fall colors 
this year, and what there was seemed much duller than usual. from a 
distance, it all looks summer green mixed in with lots of brown. only when 
you get closer are the other colors easily distinguishable. the birches, 
for the most part, hadn't even started to turn yellow yet. the skies were 
clear blue with a few wispy clouds at most.


http://users.bestweb.net/~hchong/Seasonal/

Herb


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Re: GESO: Fall in the Adirondacks

2005-10-05 Thread Herb Chong

thanks, Cotty. it's all in the wrist.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: pentax list pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 6:24 AM
Subject: Re: GESO: Fall in the Adirondacks



Beautiful collection Herb.

0030, 96, and 124 stand out for me.

So you *can* take pictures ;-)

Excellent job, really nice.




Trip to Prague, any suggestions?

2005-10-05 Thread Krisjanis Linkevics
I am currently planning a trip to Prague at the end of October, any 
suggestions on what to see in addition to Saudek?

Krisjanis



Re: GESO: Fall in the Adirondacks

2005-10-05 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis

On Wed, 5 Oct 2005, Herb Chong wrote:


http://users.bestweb.net/~hchong/Seasonal/


Some really good pictures there, Herb, esp 2,3 and 10-13

But can we discuss 8? Does it tilt a bit to the right, was it 
intentional and what is the thinking behind it?


Curious,

Kostas



Re: Trip to Prague, any suggestions?

2005-10-05 Thread dagt
Sudek

 fra: Krisjanis Linkevics [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 I am currently planning a trip to Prague at the end of October, any 
 suggestions on what to see in addition to Saudek?
 
 Krisjanis



Re: GESO: Fall in the Adirondacks

2005-10-05 Thread Herb Chong
it does tilt, but the camera was level according to the bubble level on top 
of the camera. the shoreline was receding as it's at an angle to the film 
plane. perspective only. i thought about it and left it tilted.


Herb
- Original Message - 
From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 6:52 AM
Subject: Re: GESO: Fall in the Adirondacks



On Wed, 5 Oct 2005, Herb Chong wrote:


http://users.bestweb.net/~hchong/Seasonal/


Some really good pictures there, Herb, esp 2,3 and 10-13

But can we discuss 8? Does it tilt a bit to the right, was it intentional 
and what is the thinking behind it?


Curious,

Kostas






Re: GESO: Fall in the Adirondacks

2005-10-05 Thread Paul Stenquist

Nice shot. Very pretty. The split frame works well here.
Paul
On Oct 5, 2005, at 6:20 AM, Herb Chong wrote:

last weekend in the Adirondacks was a little early for the fall colors 
this year, and what there was seemed much duller than usual. from a 
distance, it all looks summer green mixed in with lots of brown. only 
when you get closer are the other colors easily distinguishable. the 
birches, for the most part, hadn't even started to turn yellow yet. 
the skies were clear blue with a few wispy clouds at most.


http://users.bestweb.net/~hchong/Seasonal/

Herb




Re: GESO: Fall in the Adirondacks

2005-10-05 Thread Paul Stenquist
Oops. Didn't realize there was more than one. Yes, a lot of nice work 
here. I love number 4. Great shadow detail and well-controlled 
highlights. Good job.

Paul
On Oct 5, 2005, at 6:24 AM, Cotty wrote:


On 5/10/05, Herb Chong, discombobulated, unleashed:

last weekend in the Adirondacks was a little early for the fall 
colors this
year, and what there was seemed much duller than usual. from a 
distance, it
all looks summer green mixed in with lots of brown. only when you get 
closer
are the other colors easily distinguishable. the birches, for the 
most part,
hadn't even started to turn yellow yet. the skies were clear blue 
with a few

wispy clouds at most.

http://users.bestweb.net/~hchong/Seasonal/


Beautiful collection Herb.

0030, 96, and 124 stand out for me.

So you *can* take pictures ;-)

Excellent job, really nice.




Cheers,
  Cotty


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||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
_






Re: Fall in the Adirondacks

2005-10-05 Thread Herb Chong
i'm regularly published in local magazines, and i have a show up about 8 
months of the year at a local restaurant. it's fun, but so far, expenses far 
exceed income. at least my consumable expense is usually covered. it's like 
getting to Carnegie Hall, practice, practice, practice.


Herb
- Original Message - 
From: cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 6:41 AM
Subject: Re: Fall in the Adirondacks



Bloody hell, Herb...
Now I either need to quit my job so I can spend enough time to even begin 
to get this good or sell all my camera gear and give up...

Sheesh.
Herb...Print, bind, sell in stores.




Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Toralf Lund

William Robb wrote:



- Original Message - From: Tom C
Subject: Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...


PENTAX, Official camera of women, and men with small hands... 
Trying to be funny at 10:35 PM PDT.



I know what they say about how foot size relates to other body parts, 
does hand size work the same way?


I think so.

Then again, there is also a theory saying that big toys may be a 
compensation for small size in certain other areas...


- T



Re: GESO: Fall in the Adirondacks

2005-10-05 Thread Mishka
very nice. i suppose a faster AF would have made it somewhat better,
but still, very nice.

best,
mishka

On 10/5/05, Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 last weekend in the Adirondacks was a little early for the fall colors this
 year, and what there was seemed much duller than usual. from a distance, it
 all looks summer green mixed in with lots of brown. only when you get closer
 are the other colors easily distinguishable. the birches, for the most part,
 hadn't even started to turn yellow yet. the skies were clear blue with a few
 wispy clouds at most.

 http://users.bestweb.net/~hchong/Seasonal/

 Herb





Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Toralf Lund

Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:


P. J. Alling wrote on 05.10.05 9:43:

 


Pentax could do that, if they wanted to.
   


They did. At least in patent filed a few years ago. I have even made a PDF
from that patent, we called it KAF3 mount. It used current digital contact
for communication and powerzoom contacts to provide voltage supply for USM
and IS motors.

But what if the contacts were missing? Would you still be able to do AF 
the other way?



But strangely Pentax has removed power zoom contacts in the
newest cameras...
 

Have they really removed it, or just used the KAF mount instead of KAF2? 
As far as I can tell, KAF2 has been used only for relative higher-end 
cameras; KAF ones have always been produced along with them. For 
instance, while the MZ-5n/MZ-3 and MZ-S have KAF2 mounts, the MZ-6 and 
below have KAF.


- Toralf



Re: GESO: Fall in the Adirondacks

2005-10-05 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2005/10/05 Wed AM 10:20:46 GMT
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: GESO: Fall in the Adirondacks
 
 last weekend in the Adirondacks was a little early for the fall colors this 
 year, and what there was seemed much duller than usual. from a distance, it 
 all looks summer green mixed in with lots of brown. only when you get closer 
 are the other colors easily distinguishable. the birches, for the most part, 
 hadn't even started to turn yellow yet. the skies were clear blue with a few 
 wispy clouds at most.
 
 http://users.bestweb.net/~hchong/Seasonal/
 
 Herb 

7, 9  13 are like something out of the Pentax Annual. 


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Re: Trip to Prague, any suggestions?

2005-10-05 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Krisjanis Linkevics [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2005/10/05 Wed AM 10:51:07 GMT
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: Trip to Prague, any suggestions?
 
 I am currently planning a trip to Prague at the end of October, any 
 suggestions on what to see in addition to Saudek?

What else are you interested in?


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Re: PESO Unintentional photos from my recent trip

2005-10-05 Thread Mark Roberts
Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

It's been a long time between PESOs for me but here are three pics from my 
recent trip:

http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/IMGP4645.jpg (~109kB)
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/IMGP4324.jpg (~58kB)
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/IMGP3596.jpg (~116kB)

Please comment if you desire but really I had very little part to play in the 
making of these pics apart from carrying the camera and bumping the shutter 
release :-)

Y'know, I looked at the first one and thought that's kind of
Theriaultean. The second one sealed it. ;)
 
 
-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: Re: GESO: Fall in the Adirondacks

2005-10-05 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Mishka [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2005/10/05 Wed AM 11:17:46 GMT
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: GESO: Fall in the Adirondacks
 
 very nice. i suppose a faster AF would have made it somewhat better,
 but still, very nice.
 
 best,
 mishka

No, quieter.  It wouldn't scare the leaves so much.

 
 On 10/5/05, Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  last weekend in the Adirondacks was a little early for the fall colors this
  year, and what there was seemed much duller than usual. from a distance, it
  all looks summer green mixed in with lots of brown. only when you get closer
  are the other colors easily distinguishable. the birches, for the most part,
  hadn't even started to turn yellow yet. the skies were clear blue with a few
  wispy clouds at most.
 
  http://users.bestweb.net/~hchong/Seasonal/
 
  Herb
 
 
 
 


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Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Adam Maas

Toralf Lund wrote:


Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:


P. J. Alling wrote on 05.10.05 9:43:

 


Pentax could do that, if they wanted to.
  


They did. At least in patent filed a few years ago. I have even made 
a PDF
from that patent, we called it KAF3 mount. It used current digital 
contact
for communication and powerzoom contacts to provide voltage supply 
for USM

and IS motors.

But what if the contacts were missing? Would you still be able to do 
AF the other way?



But strangely Pentax has removed power zoom contacts in the
newest cameras...
 

Have they really removed it, or just used the KAF mount instead of 
KAF2? As far as I can tell, KAF2 has been used only for relative 
higher-end cameras; KAF ones have always been produced along with 
them. For instance, while the MZ-5n/MZ-3 and MZ-S have KAF2 mounts, 
the MZ-6 and below have KAF.


- Toralf


Umm, as far as I'm aware, the lower-end MZ's use a KAF2 mount without 
Power Zoom contacts. There's also a new data exchange protocol involved 
in the new mount. *ist D is definitely a KAF2 based mount, as it does 
the MTF program Line, which requires the KAF2 data protocol.


-Adam



Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
Toralf Lund wrote on 05.10.05 13:18:

 But what if the contacts were missing? Would you still be able to do AF
 the other way?
Then they'd have problems supplying power to USM motor in the lens. Minolta
has left power zoom contacts in their mount, and that's why they didn't have
any problems implementing their SSM lenses.

 Have they really removed it, or just used the KAF mount instead of KAF2?
 As far as I can tell, KAF2 has been used only for relative higher-end
 cameras; KAF ones have always been produced along with them. For
 instance, while the MZ-5n/MZ-3 and MZ-S have KAF2 mounts, the MZ-6 and
 below have KAF.
No. KAF2 specifications enable transferring MTF characteristics of a lens to
the body. So even without power zoom contacts it is KAF2 (*istD has MTF
program) but somewhat crippled. See here:
http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/technology/K-mount/Kaf2.html

-- 
Balance is the ultimate good...

Best Regards
Sylwek



Daily Update-Petition Survey-LAST CHANCE!

2005-10-05 Thread Don Sanderson
1454 hits on the web page and 160 submissions
(includes duplicates) so far.

I'll let this run thru the weekend and then
post the results.
Looks like it's about run it's course.

Last chance to be heard!

Tell everyone to go to:

http://www.donsauction.com/Pentax

and take _THE_ Pentax Wishlist survey.


Or, contact me at:

mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

for comments/suggestions/praise/butt chewing.

Thanks!
Don



Re: GESO: stuff from my bus/train trip

2005-10-05 Thread E.R.N. Reed

Paul Stenquist wrote:



On Oct 4, 2005, at 9:46 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:


(Shooting JPEG in camera, however, is much more like shooting slide
film.)



i'll go along with that, although I've never shot jpegs with my *istD, 
only with a little PS.

Paul


My little PS does 'em much better than my *istD (which is just as well, 
but nevertheless, wrt the performance of the *istD, disappointing.)




Re: GESO: Fall in the Adirondacks

2005-10-05 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis

On Wed, 5 Oct 2005, Herb Chong wrote:

it does tilt, but the camera was level according to the bubble level on top 
of the camera.


Thanks.


at an angle to the film plane


To the what?

Kostas



Re: Trip to Prague, any suggestions?

2005-10-05 Thread Krisjanis Linkevics
  I am currently planning a trip to Prague at the end of October, any 
  suggestions on what to see in addition to Saudek?
 
 What else are you interested in?

1. picturetaking
2. exibitions
3. beer

I'll be taking my SO, so we will probably be in tourist mode most of the 
time, but I will probably take my MF and/or LF gear so any pointers to 
scenic landscapes and/or cityscapes would be good. Also it would be good 
to know if there are any tourist attractions that are just too crowded and 
should be avoided at this time of year. I'm not much into people/street 
photography, best they get out of the frame fast and don't trip on the 
tripod on their way out.

Krisjanis



50 years of photojournalism

2005-10-05 Thread Mark Roberts
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/05/in_pictures_50_years_of_photojournalism/html/1.stm
 
 
-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: Re: GESO: Fall in the Adirondacks

2005-10-05 Thread dagt
 fra: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  From: Mishka [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  very nice. i suppose a faster AF would have made it somewhat better,
  but still, very nice.
  
 
 No, quieter.  It wouldn't scare the leaves so much.

But he would have had some extra ripples in the water from the ultrasonic sound 
waves .-)

DagT



Re: PESO Unintentional photos from my recent trip

2005-10-05 Thread David Savage
LOL.

I really like the one with all the feet.

Just so long as these are not better than the deliberate efforts g

Dave

 Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It's been a long time between PESOs for me but here are three pics from my
 recent trip:
 
 http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/IMGP4645.jpg (~109kB)
 http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/IMGP4324.jpg (~58kB)
 http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/IMGP3596.jpg (~116kB)
 
 Please comment if you desire but really I had very little part to play in the
 making of these pics apart from carrying the camera and bumping the shutter
 release :-)



Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Toralf Lund

Adam Maas wrote:


Toralf Lund wrote:


Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:


P




Have they really removed it, or just used the KAF mount instead of 
KAF2? As far as I can tell, KAF2 has been used only for relative 
higher-end cameras; KAF ones have always been produced along with 
them. For instance, while the MZ-5n/MZ-3 and MZ-S have KAF2 mounts, 
the MZ-6 and below have KAF.


- Toralf



Umm, as far as I'm aware, the lower-end MZ's use a KAF2 mount without 
Power Zoom contacts. There's also a new data exchange protocol 
involved in the new mount. 


I'm just referring to Bojidar's page, here. See 
http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/bodies/MZ-ZX/index.html


*ist D is definitely a KAF2 based mount, as it does the MTF program 
Line, which requires the KAF2 data protocol.



OK...

- T




Re: PESO PAW - A Link to Global Warming

2005-10-05 Thread frank theriault
On 10/4/05, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 A QuikSnap made with the DS  couldn't pass this by ;-))

 http://home.earthlink.net/~sbelinkoff/globalwarm.html


A brave soul - obviously looking for a brick through the window!  LOL

A fun snap, Shel!

cheers,
frank


--
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson



Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Toralf Lund

Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:




Have they really removed it, or just used the KAF mount instead of KAF2?
As far as I can tell, KAF2 has been used only for relative higher-end
cameras; KAF ones have always been produced along with them. For
instance, while the MZ-5n/MZ-3 and MZ-S have KAF2 mounts, the MZ-6 and
below have KAF.
   


No. KAF2 specifications enable transferring MTF characteristics of a lens to
the body. So even without power zoom contacts it is KAF2 (*istD has MTF
program) but somewhat crippled. See here:
http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/technology/K-mount/Kaf2.html
 

Yeah. I knew that. What I was referring to was that according to other 
pages on that web site, many cameras introduced after KAF2 have KAF 
mount. But now I notice that the D cameras are all listed as having 
crippled KAF2...


- T



Re: The slow and painful death of film.

2005-10-05 Thread Mark Roberts
William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Film to print has a lot more variables controled by the lab. We can process 
the film well, or poorly. We can scratch the film, or otherwise mar the 
image in a great variety of ways.
We can print it well, or poorly as well.

Digital files are mostly finished images that get to have the start button 
pushed and not much else. If we try to make big changes to the colour or 
density, they can go pretty strange The reality is, I actually have less 
control with digital than with film by the time I am getting down to making 
prints.
The customer is responsible for the resolution being great enough, the white 
balance being correct, the image compression not being too great, and the 
exposure being close to correct.
Quite honestly, I have more trouble with digital print quality than with 
film print quality because of customer misintervention of the process.

This is exactly what the lab manager said at the place I worked. C-41
processing gives everything a common, known foundation. For example, you
only have one of two white balances: Daylight or tungsten. (And for
99.99% of the time that means daylight.) Big changes to color or density
really are unworkable with 8-bit JPEG files. 
We had one customer who sent us a big batch of files to be printed and
somewhere in the middle they had (accidentally) set their camera's white
balance to fluorescent, giving everything a magenta cast. It's a
nightmare for the lab because the average customer simply won't believe
that it isn't the lab's fault.
 
 
-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: The slow and painful death of film.

2005-10-05 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: Kostas Kavoussanakis

Subject: Re: The slow and painful death of film.




Quite honestly, I have more trouble with digital print quality than with 
film print quality because of customer misintervention of the process.


Yet another reason not to be bothered with digital, while still possible.


Lets not blame the failings of the customer on the technology.
Most of the problems I see could be solved if they would read their owners 
manuals.


William Robb 





Re: PESO: Pictures from a Vacation VIII

2005-10-05 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: P. J. Alling 
Subject: Re: PESO: Pictures from a Vacation VIII



You can't really get the scale of the Dog from this, looks like my 
Cocker with a much smaller stick...

(He only Thinks he's a Rottweiler ).


My Rottie thinks she is a Lhasa Apso.

William Robb



Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: Toralf Lund

Subject: Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...






Except, perhaps, you have one motor instead of one in each and every
lens? Seems more sensible to me... And if you update the motor, you'll
see an improvement for *all* lenses.



If you have an original EOS lens, and buy a new lens, you have just
updated your AF technology.


Not really. You are still stuck with the same in-camera sensor system,
aren't you?


Sure, but you have quite likely updated some of the control circuitry and
are taking advantage of improvements in AF motor technology. If you have in
camera AF, you are locked out of this.



The most important factor is how efficienty the overall system works.
Lens driven AF is more efficient than body driven AF.


I very much doubt that this holds as a general claim.


Two out of four camera companies disagree with you.

William Robb 





Re: PESO: Pictures from a Vacation VIII

2005-10-05 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: Paul Stenquist 
Subject: Re: PESO: Pictures from a Vacation VIII




Good grab. What lens did you use? The 300?



HAR!!
That was shot with my Optio 750, with a crop taken out of the center.
I'm kinda scraping bottom for pictures..
Thanks for looking.

William Robb


This is a just a snapshot of my dog fetching a stick.

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/peso/vacation/IMGP0583.html

William Robb








Re: PESO: Pictures from a Vacation VIII

2005-10-05 Thread frank theriault
On 10/5/05, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Just when you though I had wound down.

 This is a just a snapshot of my dog fetching a stick.

 http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/peso/vacation/IMGP0583.html

 William Robb


Nice one!

-frank


--
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson



Re: PESO: Sand Pile

2005-10-05 Thread frank theriault
On 10/4/05, Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 but, like Frank (?) I was distracted trying to
 figure out what it
 was even though you have told us. snip

Just to set the record straight, I didn't say I was distracted.  I
said I couldn't tell what it was, even after being told, but that it
was still cool.

It worked for me very well as an abstract design.

cheers,
frank



--
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson



Re: OT: Vertigo, then and now

2005-10-05 Thread frank theriault
On 10/4/05, Juan Buhler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm posting this here because it has some pictures of the area where
 the SF PDML meetup will happen this Saturday:

 http://www.basichip.com/vertigo/main.htm

 This guy photographed places from scenes in Hitchcock's _Vertigo_, in
 2003. He did a great job of reproducing the angles and finding the
 right spots. All the pics involving Grant, Bush, Stockton, Sutter,
 Post, etc are the places where we'll be hanging out.

 Just thought you guys would like to see it. BTW, Vertigo is one of my
 favorite films. If you haven't seen it, you should.


Cool link!!

thanks,
frank


--
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson



Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu
On 10/5/05, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 - Original Message -
 From: Toralf Lund
 Subject: Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...


 If you have an original EOS lens, and buy a new lens, you have just updated
 your AF technology.
 If you are using a 20 year old camera with the drive motor in the camera,
 you are stuck with that technology until you ditch the camera.


 William Robb

If you have several Pentax AF lenses and a 20 year old camera, and buy
a new body, you have just updated your AF technology.
If you are using 20 year old lenses with the drive motor in the lens,
you are stuck with that technology until you ditch them all. grin

--
Best regards,
Alex Sarbu



Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Toralf Lund



Except, perhaps, you have one motor instead of one in each and every
lens? Seems more sensible to me... And if you update the motor, you'll
see an improvement for *all* lenses.




If you have an original EOS lens, and buy a new lens, you have just
updated your AF technology.



Not really. You are still stuck with the same in-camera sensor system,
aren't you?



Sure, but you have quite likely updated some of the control circuitry and
are taking advantage of improvements in AF motor technology. If you 
have in

camera AF, you are locked out of this.


Yes, but in return for that, you are given the ability to take advantage 
of improved AF motor technology *with existing lenses* if you replace 
the body.



The most important factor is how efficienty the overall system works.
Lens driven AF is more efficient than body driven AF.



I very much doubt that this holds as a general claim.



Two out of four camera companies disagree with you.


Logically that proves the choice is arbitrary, doesn't it?

Furthermore, I suspect Canon chose in-lens motors because they had 
decided that there would be no mechanical coupling whatsoever between 
the lens an body, i.e. not based on AF considerations as such. May or 
may not have been a good idea; that's really a different discussion.


- T



Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Lucas Rijnders
On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 14:30:47 +0200, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:




- Original Message -
From: Toralf Lund
Subject: Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...



Except, perhaps, you have one motor instead of one in each and every
lens? Seems more sensible to me... And if you update the motor, you'll
see an improvement for *all* lenses.


If you have an original EOS lens, and buy a new lens, you have just
updated your AF technology.


Not really. You are still stuck with the same in-camera sensor system,
aren't you?


Sure, but you have quite likely updated some of the control circuitry and
are taking advantage of improvements in AF motor technology. If you have  
in

camera AF, you are locked out of this.


Ehm, people update their camera's more often than their lenses, don't  
they? In that case you'd better put everything in-body: Buy a new cam, and  
all your lenses have updated AF...



The most important factor is how efficienty the overall system works.
Lens driven AF is more efficient than body driven AF.


I very much doubt that this holds as a general claim.


Two out of four camera companies disagree with you.


Currently. That still does not prove an in-lens system is better in  
principle. As a simile, public radio shifted from wireless technology to  
wired and back at least two times in the last 100 years...


--
Regards, Lucas



Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Rob Studdert
On 5 Oct 2005 at 13:30, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:

 Then they'd have problems supplying power to USM motor in the lens. Minolta 
 has
 left power zoom contacts in their mount, and that's why they didn't have any
 problems implementing their SSM lenses.

These days it would be very easy to supply power and control all lens functions 
plus provide feedback using a pair of contacts, just line power over LAN (IEEE 
802.3af).


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Re: GESO: Fall in the Adirondacks

2005-10-05 Thread Rick Womer
Beautiful, Herb.  It doesn't take great swaths of
color to make autumn photos work!

Wish I was up there...

Rick

--- Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 last weekend in the Adirondacks was a little early
 for the fall colors this 
 year, and what there was seemed much duller than
 usual. from a distance, it 
 all looks summer green mixed in with lots of brown.
 only when you get closer 
 are the other colors easily distinguishable. the
 birches, for the most part, 
 hadn't even started to turn yellow yet. the skies
 were clear blue with a few 
 wispy clouds at most.
 
 http://users.bestweb.net/~hchong/Seasonal/
 
 Herb 
 
 




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Re: GESO: Fall in the Adirondacks

2005-10-05 Thread frank theriault
On 10/5/05, Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


  at an angle to the film plane

 To the what?

 Kostas


The ICP?  (Image Capture Plane - that would cover both film and sensors)

-frank

--
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson



Re: GESO: Fall in the Adirondacks

2005-10-05 Thread frank theriault
On 10/5/05, Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 last weekend in the Adirondacks was a little early for the fall colors this
 year, and what there was seemed much duller than usual. from a distance, it
 all looks summer green mixed in with lots of brown. only when you get closer
 are the other colors easily distinguishable. the birches, for the most part,
 hadn't even started to turn yellow yet. the skies were clear blue with a few
 wispy clouds at most.

 http://users.bestweb.net/~hchong/Seasonal/


Beautiful...

-frank

--
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson



Re: GESO: Fall in the Adirondacks

2005-10-05 Thread Kenneth Waller
Nice work Herb. Looks a lot like Michigan in the fall.
A few of the first coupla images appeared on the verge of over sharpened.
I'm a sucker for reed and water reflection shots.

thanks for posting

Kenneth Waller

-Original Message-
From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: GESO: Fall in the Adirondacks

last weekend in the Adirondacks was a little early for the fall colors this 
year, and what there was seemed much duller than usual. from a distance, it 
all looks summer green mixed in with lots of brown. only when you get closer 
are the other colors easily distinguishable. the birches, for the most part, 
hadn't even started to turn yellow yet. the skies were clear blue with a few 
wispy clouds at most.

http://users.bestweb.net/~hchong/Seasonal/

Herb 




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OT: Chilly PESO

2005-10-05 Thread David Savage
G'day trendsetters,

Last night I updated my version of PTGui http://www.ptgui.com  I
ended up spending the next 3 hours stitching everything and anything I
could find putting it through it's paces. This is a very cool GUI for
the Panorama Tools program. The auto control points feature is
surprisingly accurate, and the blending is very good (It managed to
make a decent pano of some shots where the exposure's were all over
the place).

Anyway, I stitched together 2 shots I took over 10 years ago when my
Dad  I were holidaying in Canada. It's nothing special, but II
thought I'd share the results (~130k):

http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/PESO/peso_011.htm

Taken around the Athabasca Falls area of Jasper National Park in
Alberta. As a young bloke who had only ever seen ice from the freezer,
this spun me right out. (Truth be told, it still spins me out :-).

To drag this back on topic, it was on that holiday when I got my first
Pentax SLR.

Enjoy.

Dave



Re: GESO: Fall in the Adirondacks

2005-10-05 Thread Kenneth Waller
it's all in the wrist.

I'll have to try it that way, I thought it was all in the finger.

Kenneth Waller

-Original Message-
From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: Re: GESO: Fall in the Adirondacks

thanks, Cotty. it's all in the wrist.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax list pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 6:24 AM
Subject: Re: GESO: Fall in the Adirondacks


 Beautiful collection Herb.
 
 0030, 96, and 124 stand out for me.
 
 So you *can* take pictures ;-)
 
 Excellent job, really nice.




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Re: OT: Vertigo, then and now

2005-10-05 Thread David Savage
That's pretty neat.

It's good to see that not everything has been bulldozed over the years.

Dave

On 10/5/05, Juan Buhler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm posting this here because it has some pictures of the area where
 the SF PDML meetup will happen this Saturday:

 http://www.basichip.com/vertigo/main.htm

 This guy photographed places from scenes in Hitchcock's _Vertigo_, in
 2003. He did a great job of reproducing the angles and finding the
 right spots. All the pics involving Grant, Bush, Stockton, Sutter,
 Post, etc are the places where we'll be hanging out.

 Just thought you guys would like to see it. BTW, Vertigo is one of my
 favorite films. If you haven't seen it, you should.

 j


 --
 Juan Buhler
 http://www.jbuhler.com
 photoblog at http://photoblog.jbuhler.com





Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
Rob Studdert wrote on 05.10.05 14:57:

 These days it would be very easy to supply power and control all lens
 functions 
 plus provide feedback using a pair of contacts, just line power over LAN (IEEE
 802.3af).
Yes, but I'm not sure if contacts (other than powerzoom) on KAF2 mount can
handle well enough high currents required by USM and/or IS motors during
their start.

-- 
Balance is the ultimate good...

Best Regards
Sylwek



Re: OT: Chilly PESO

2005-10-05 Thread frank theriault
On 10/5/05, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 G'day trendsetters,
snip
 Anyway, I stitched together 2 shots I took over 10 years ago when my
 Dad  I were holidaying in Canada. It's nothing special

EVERYTHING about Canada is special...  LOL

, but II
 thought I'd share the results (~130k):

 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/PESO/peso_011.htm

 Taken around the Athabasca Falls area of Jasper National Park in
 Alberta. As a young bloke who had only ever seen ice from the freezer,
 this spun me right out. (Truth be told, it still spins me out :-).

Have you ever seen ice-climbing?  These crazy guys are just like
rock-climbers - you know, climbing up shear cliffs - except the do it
up ~ice~!  Frozen waterfalls, glaciers, stuff like that.  Darwinism
takes care of a couple of them each year.

 To drag this back on topic, it was on that holiday when I got my first
 Pentax SLR.

Very cool pic, BTW.  I've never seen Canada's West, and beautiful
photos like yours serve to remind me that such a trip should be on my
horizon.

thanks,
frank




--
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson



Re: Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

2005-10-05 Thread dagt
 fra: Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Rob Studdert wrote on 05.10.05 14:57:
 
  These days it would be very easy to supply power and control all lens
  functions 
  plus provide feedback using a pair of contacts, just line power over LAN 
  (IEEE
  802.3af).

 Yes, but I'm not sure if contacts (other than powerzoom) on KAF2 mount can
 handle well enough high currents required by USM and/or IS motors during
 their start.

Both camera and lens has to be prepared for USM, so there is no reason why the 
contacts couldn't be adapted to handle the currents.  The problem would be the 
risk for older equipment that isn't prepared to receive such currents, but as 
all new lenses have microprecessors identifying them that could be avoided in 
the camera by only applying the USM when it recognizes a USM lens.

IS lenses could be a little different, depending on how camera dependent the 
solution is.

DagT




Re: PESO Unintentional photos from my recent trip

2005-10-05 Thread frank theriault
On 10/5/05, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/IMGP4645.jpg (~109kB)
 http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/IMGP4324.jpg (~58kB)
 http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/IMGP3596.jpg (~116kB)
 


 Y'know, I looked at the first one and thought that's kind of
 Theriaultean. The second one sealed it. ;)

Colour shots, Mark?  g

Other than that, there is a certain familiarity to these ones, isn't there?

Well done, Rob!  I like 'em.

LOL

cheers,
frank


--
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson



Re: GESO: Fall in the Adirondacks

2005-10-05 Thread Paul Sorenson
Really like this series - especially the abstract nature of 100  124. 
Where were these taken relative to Glens Falls (my best point of reference)?


-P

Herb Chong wrote:
last weekend in the Adirondacks was a little early for the fall colors 
this year, and what there was seemed much duller than usual. from a 
distance, it all looks summer green mixed in with lots of brown. only 
when you get closer are the other colors easily distinguishable. the 
birches, for the most part, hadn't even started to turn yellow yet. the 
skies were clear blue with a few wispy clouds at most.


http://users.bestweb.net/~hchong/Seasonal/

Herb






Re: GESO: Fall in the Adirondacks

2005-10-05 Thread Jack Davis
Herb,
Enjoyed the crisp beautiful fall experience. Terrific!
Shot with *istD..or?
Thanks.

Jack

--- Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 last weekend in the Adirondacks was a little early for the fall
 colors this 
 year, and what there was seemed much duller than usual. from a
 distance, it 
 all looks summer green mixed in with lots of brown. only when you get
 closer 
 are the other colors easily distinguishable. the birches, for the
 most part, 
 hadn't even started to turn yellow yet. the skies were clear blue
 with a few 
 wispy clouds at most.
 
 http://users.bestweb.net/~hchong/Seasonal/
 
 Herb 
 
 




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Re: 50 years of photojournalism

2005-10-05 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Oct 5, 2005, at 4:46 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/05/ 
in_pictures_50_years_of_photojournalism/html/1.stm


Some intense photographs...

Godfrey



Re: PAW/PESO: Nearly Naked

2005-10-05 Thread frank theriault
On 10/5/05, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Frank, I'm surprised at you, there's a lot of detail and it's in focus.
   ;-)

Sorry...

LOL

-frank
--
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson



Re: PAW/PESO: Nearly Naked

2005-10-05 Thread frank theriault
On 10/4/05, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Add my kudos to the list. This is a wonderful shot!

Merci!

-le knarf


--
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson



Re: GESO: Fall in the Adirondacks

2005-10-05 Thread Mat Maessen
Very nice Herb.

Whereabouts in the Adirondacks were you? (I live in the Albany area,
and usually make it up there a couple of times a year)

-Mat

On 10/5/05, Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 last weekend in the Adirondacks was a little early for the fall colors this
 year, and what there was seemed much duller than usual. from a distance, it
 all looks summer green mixed in with lots of brown. only when you get closer
 are the other colors easily distinguishable. the birches, for the most part,
 hadn't even started to turn yellow yet. the skies were clear blue with a few
 wispy clouds at most.

 http://users.bestweb.net/~hchong/Seasonal/

 Herb





Re: The slow and painful death of film.

2005-10-05 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis

On Wed, 5 Oct 2005, William Robb wrote:


- Original Message - From: Kostas Kavoussanakis
Subject: Re: The slow and painful death of film.

Quite honestly, I have more trouble with digital print quality than with 
film print quality because of customer misintervention of the process.


Yet another reason not to be bothered with digital, while still possible.


Lets not blame the failings of the customer on the technology.
Most of the problems I see could be solved if they would read their owners 
manuals.


No, I was replying as the customer. Did I need to know how the 
cylinder turned into pictures? No. Do I want to know? No. Do I have to 
know with digital? Yes. Do I cringe? Yes.


I am not blaming digital. I am still not attracted by the workflow. 
It's great for ebay!


Kostas



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